Game 45 2018-19: Coyotes at Oilers

Saturdays in winter. We had to milk and feed the goats, and we had to make sure there was enough coal (we had a giant bin that needed to be full) for the day. It was dark much of the morning, the single outside light flooding the backyard and letting everyone know for miles around we were home. When we were young, coming back from Grandma’s or the Kingdom Hall, I would feel a warmth come over me when we’d turn the corner at the Alan Store and see the light shining at home. It meant the goats were okay, the dog was fine, and we’d be warm soon.

In the winter, 17 miles north of Maidstone, the one constant was cold. Extreme cold. My brother and I would set up two sawhorses, place two 10-gallon buckets inside (they were the goalies) and commence hammering those buckets with pucks for hours. We wore ski-doo boots, liner inside and two sets of wool socks. Still froze our feet, damn fools. As my brother got older, found work and money and cars and girls, it become a solo pursuit. I set up just one saw horse, and got to be Orr all the time. I missed him though, it’s never the same without your brother.

Saturday afternoon brought Bugs Bunny at 5, followed by Hockey Night in Canada. My Dad would hang around to see who was playing, if it was Boston versus Toronto or Montreal against Chicago, he was in. Minnesota? St. Louis? Mom could talk him into a game of cribbage over at the table, where he could hear the game and run over if Mahovlich scored. Me, I loved the expansion teams, especially the green group (Minnesota, Oakland) and new names like Frank St. Marseille, Juha Widing and Bill Goldsworthy. Most of all, I loved the Bruins and Bobby Orr.

Saturdays in winter. It’s hockey’s big day. In my mind’s eye, that single outside light still shines and lights up the night, bringing the sawhorses, the goats, my brother, Mom and Dad, the memories, just a little closer. Saturdays in winter. I can’t wait for the hockey game.

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OILERS AFTER 45

  • Oilers in 2015: 17-23-5, 39 points; goal differential -24
  • Oilers in 2016: 23-15-7, 53 points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in 2017: 19-23-3, 41 points; goal differential -26
  • Oilers in 2018: 21-20-3, 45 points; goal differential -11

Damned Coyotes are on a bit of a run now, I’ll talk to Cat Silverman about the team’s season on SSE at 1:20 this afternoon. I think Edmonton has to hit 15 points in January, meaning the team needs to go 4-1-1 in the final six games. Borderline impossible. If the club can do it, the record at the end of January would be 50, 25-21-4, 54 points (trajectory: 89 points). Hard nose the highway.

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 2-2-2, six points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2017: 3-3-0, six points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2018: 2-4-0, four points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in January 2019: 3-2-0, six points; goal differential -4

A chance to go two games up for January as we approach the midway point in the month. The goal differential is a key element this month, things should recover when Klefbom returns.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN JANUARY

  • On the road to: ArizonaLos AngelesAnaheim, San Jose (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • At home to: Florida, Arizona, Buffalo (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Calgary, Carolina, Detroit (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-5-2, 10 points in 11 games
  • Current results: 3-2-0, six points in five games

This coming week offers the team a chance to get some points before the challenge that the Flames represent to everyone this year. I think the Buffalo and Vancouver games will be far more difficult than some fans believe.

Edmonton is getting some breaks, though. Anaheim lost again last night, and if the Oilers win tonight (and Minnesota loses) the club will have the same number of points as the No. 8 seed Wild (who would have a game in hand). Minnesota is on pace to finish with 87.6 points, so maybe the actual number to make the playoffs is lower than we’ve been projecting.

A LIST OF CANDIDATES

How many forwards on the current Oilers depth chart should return next year? Without regard for cap hit or term, how many? I think the answer is both startling and key to finding a successful path forward for the organization. Here’s my answer:

That’s my list. Now, we’re going to add some more names here, but I wanted to pare it down to start, just showing the group who have delivered enough offensively (and without the puck) to return on merit. The cap hit for this group next year is $27 million plus whatever Khaira and Chiasson will cost via free agency. Remember, we’re not bringing anyone back because we have to, we’re just interested in bringing back regulars who have earned it.

What about the kids? I mean, you can’t have five kid forwards every year but surely some of these characters can help?

I believe Puljujarvi has shown enough to be part of next year’s team, your mileage may vary. I think Kailer Yamamoto and Tyler Benson may get there but the organization can’t count on those men starting next fall based on their current resumes.

So we’re looking to find a top nine the team can afford to fit under the cap that we’re certain will be a contender. I’m going to use UFA examples:

How can the Oilers afford this lineup? Trade Milan Lucic and Andrej Sekera. Failing that, draft and develop. It all comes down to this: As much as you’re upset about wasting another year of Connor McDavid, a poor move now that brings in expensive veterans in exchange for picks and prospects could turn four unproductive McDavid seasons into eight. This is damned serious.

So if you can’t get there from here, what’s the answer? Well, in my opinion, you try to solve problems with long-term solutions. If you’re the Oilers, that means you might need transitional talents to get you there, but you do have players on the way who should be 5+ season solutions:

I’ve targeted Ehlers because the Jets (imo) are going to need to make a big trade. Edmonton has pieces (including a high pick in 2019’s draft) that may appeal. This would be a summer trade. I’ve also moved Leon to the No. 2 line, he could easily be moved back to center. I have two substantial offensive lines and what should be a reasonable checking group with some offense.

Now. What to do with Milan Lucic, Kyle Brodziak, Ryan Spooner, Zack Kassian? Trade what you can, buy out someone (Spooner most likely) and then play the rest on a fourth line or sit them in the pressbox. If one of these men shows a turnaround, by all means elevate them. You can’t count on it though, and I think that’s what we’re going to see come the fall.

By January, maybe Benson and Yamamoto are tearing the cover off the ball in the AHL and you can bring them in as plug-and-play options with miles in front of them at value contract totals.

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  1. StixMalone says:

    Zelepukin:
    Seriously, Nurse is the worst D-man to expect a shot from the point to get through.

    Any play back to the points is useless because it just gets tossed back into the corners. I think this team really has no playbook….

  2. Jethro Tull says:

    hags9k:
    Hitch says they are tired, I say they are shitty.

    Fumbled passes, missed passes, lost pucks, missed nets, missed checks on it goes for another decade.

    Hitch says a lot of things.

  3. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Zelepukin:
    Seriously, Nurse is the worst D-man to expect a shot from the point to get through.

    One of those players that is most effective with his feet moving. Stationary his poor decision making shows ip

  4. BONE207 says:

    I really love Glenn Anderson but I have this taste in my mouth that won’t allow me to watch more hockey. Maybe whiskey will help.

  5. Bling says:

    Scoring chances favoured the Oilers, couldn’t cash and then some bad bounces against.

    Stuff happens. I’m not overly worried.

  6. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Not that Caggiula wins this game or anything but that trade is settling in as my least favourite of all PC’s moves. Perhaps not the most consequential but leaves a very bitter taste.

    I really want the GM fired. I also want the front office cleared out. I want cap. I want wingers. I want blue uniforms.

    I dont like this version of the Oilers.

  7. hunter1909 says:

    StixMalone:
    This team is built to lose. Whether on purpose or by stupidity this can not go on………

    Guess again.

  8. Jethro Tull says:

    What gets me after watching the Coyotes stream, their players said they expected to come here and get points. An injury ravaged team away from home against the best player on the planet and they expected to win. Tells ya somethin’.

  9. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar: ROW = Regulation and OT Wins – the first tiebreaker (excludes SO victories).

    I don’t think you got the joke (if they had won, they’d have won 2 in a row, and thus 2 2 points in a row, not just 2 points).

  10. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Jethro Tull: Hitch says a lot of things.

    Ha, both accurate statements

  11. Jethro Tull says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur: I dont like this version of the Oilers.

    I’m with you. There’s something about them that you just don’t root for.

  12. Dicky94 says:

    hags9k,

    The top players are tired because they are being pushed to the limit. Hitch has to push them because it’s the only chance they have to win. Just a matter of time before one of them gets hurt. Fire Chia. Pronto.

  13. StixMalone says:

    Bling:
    Scoring chances favoured the Oilers, couldn’t cash and then some bad bounces against.

    Stuff happens. I’m not overly worried.

    Yep we never worry in E-town because we’re used to this shit…..

  14. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Well they aren’t fun to watch. If 97 isn’t on the ice, you’re just waiting for him to get on the ice. It would be something if Brodziak and Kassian and Lucic were otherwise running over people and the other lines were cycling and getting the puck to the net but nobody can hold onto the puck.

    Like, nobody can hold onto the puck.

  15. StixMalone says:

    Well this summer we should have a new GM and a new coach coming up. I can’t see Hitch wasting any more of his retirement……

  16. Pescador says:

    StixMalone: Any play back to the points is useless because it just gets tossed back into the corners. I think this team really has no playbook….

    I really hate the new NHL,
    5 players collapse in front of the net & block shots.
    Of course this is too complex for the Oilers to accomplish on D.
    And impossible to solve on O

  17. JimmyV1965 says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    Even with K Bomb this team has a bottom 3rd PP.. Just no good options on the back end.PP shittiness is on Chia

    I believe our PP was top 10 a few games ago. May have dropped a bit, but I assume it’s still decent.

  18. Gret99zky says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:

    I don’t like this version of the Oilers.

    No worries.

    They’ve got Glenn Anderson on After Hours to prattle on about the good old days.

  19. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Pescador: I really hate the new NHL,
    5 players collapse infront of the net & block shots.
    Of course this is too complex for the Oilers to accomplish on D.
    And impossible to solve on O

    The flames don’t seem to have problem.

  20. texmex says:

    Jethro Tull,

    At the end of the season, I’ll bet he says “shove this job up your ass bob. This roster is BRUTAL”.

  21. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    Jethro Tull,

    Well they aren’t fun to watch. If 97 isn’t on the ice, you’re just waiting for him to get on the ice. It would be something if Brodziak and Kassian and Lucic were otherwise running over people and the other lines were cycling and getting the puck to the net but nobody can hold onto the puck.

    Like, nobody can hold onto the puck.

    Yep. Their NHL19 skill rating would be bottom tier despite having the most skilled player on earth. Get it over with. Chia’s fortuitous ride in the NHL is done

  22. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Gret99zky,

    The Oilers are the hockey version of U2.

    Don’t be U2.

  23. JOFA says:

    Start selling…but we know they won’t. They’ll hang on to the bitter end hoping to get a sniff of the playoffs. Keep the losses coming. Bob should be revealing the plan soon so we can all get on board.

  24. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    JOFA,

    I don’t know what you sell when you can’t even give away the things you need to be rid of.

  25. JimmyV1965 says:

    Simply not enuf skill in the lineup. Even when they get the cycle going, someone will flub a pass or someone will pass it to nowhere. It is what it is.

  26. texmex says:

    JOFA,

    I was onboard with upgrading the wings however possible until tonight. Start the yard sale now, send the kids down to help out the condors for the playoff push.

  27. hunter1909 says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    JOFA,

    I don’t know what you sell when you can’t even give away the things you need to be rid of.

    In a way, it’s arguable that Chiarelli worked wonders getting Manning off the Hawks.

    At a stroke he managed to pick up a player no one in the NHL wanted for massive relative cap hit and term, and a player with a scandalous past with McDavid.

    Maybe Chiarelli offers Manning a NTC.

  28. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    hunter1909,

    I really hate that trade. I don’t know how it happens. Its just inexplicable. I keep my tinfoil hat on the shelf but then I run out of ideas, other than that the whole front office is just way stupider than the average hockey fan. How is that possible, with all the resources they have.

  29. Glovjuice says:

    Didn’t watch the game because this team totally sucks. Watched the killer Sigur Ros documentary instead. How was Spooner? Contribute like a historical top six winger? Was Lucic earning his 6 large? Talbot solid ? How about our 4 million man Russel? Manning good? Rieder score his first goal yet ? Cap space for a one for two ? No. Bummer. Cap space for a prospect or two for a goal scoring winger ? No, shit. Both goalies UFA ? Fuck. Could any of us imagine if this team didn’t have McDavid ? Burgers $20. Beer $15. WTF is this ?

  30. colieo_87 says:

    Traded all the talent on the wings. This team was stacked before PC. Made some trades to address the blue and no balance what’s so ever. I would take the 2015 roster over this anyday. Yakupov to boot

  31. hags9k says:

    I really thought they were legit with that winning streak and the way Koskinen was playing…Joke’s on me I guess.

    Man.

  32. hags9k says:

    I cannot recall a season where so many of the forwards are just incapable of scoring. Like these guys just don’t score goals. Like at all. Ever. It’s just amazing.

  33. russ99 says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    hunter1909,

    I really hate that trade. I don’t know how it happens. Its just inexplicable. I keep my tinfoil hat on the shelf but then I run out of ideas, other than that the whole front office is just way stupider than the average hockey fan. How is that possible, with all the resources they have.y

    I hate that trade less than many other fans, but I didn’t rate Caggiula at all, and when you move cap you have to take cap, and frankly that may have been the best defenseman he could have gotten for Caggiula’s trade value and cap hit. Same could be said for Spooner.

    All comes down to the undeserved overpays to Strome, Cagguila and Benning in RFA, when players are stagnating or backsliding in year 3, we should have moved them at the deadline or draft, and invested that cap in two NHL wingers.

  34. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    What in gods name is PC still doing as the GM of this team?

    Like, this team’s fundamental problem is that losing is OK. Its OK to be a loser.

    Its OK to look to the draft before the All Star break.
    Its OK to wait for the summer to make front office changes.
    Its OK take bank 5 cups against 40 years.

    Being a loser has seeped into the culture of the team and it erodes everything. If I was GM one reason I trade the 1st for someone that can score and contribute now is because breaking this cycle won’t happen by developing the pick anyway. That pick will turn into a loser because it will be nurtured by losers. Trade the pick, fast track the process and break the cycle. Demonstrate that its not OK to be a loser anymore.

  35. Jethro Tull says:

    Glovjuice:
    Didn’t watch the game because this team totally sucks.Watched the killer Sigur Ros documentary instead. How was Spooner? Contribute like a historical top six winger? Was Lucic earning his 6 large? Talbot solid ? How about our 4 million man Russel? Manning good? Rieder score his first goal yet ? Cap space for a one two ? No. Bummer. Cap space for a prospect or two for a goal scoring winger ? No, shit. Both goalies UFA ? Fuck. Could any of us imagine if this team didn’t have McDavid ? Burgers $20. Beer $15. WTF is this ?

    TBH, Spooner started well, then faded. Lucic also started well but then made two bone-headed plays. Russell was good. Manning was fantastic in the press box. Rieder is as I suspected, not the droid we were looking for. Drai has his worst game I’ve seen as an Oiler, including rookie season and was rewarded by being put back with McDavid.

    And I’m starting to imagine this team without McDavid…..

  36. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pescador: I want this to be over

    FFS Katz.

    Enough, clean house and start a resort for the lads in LA or wherever you spend the most time.

    Soon enough LT and OP will be the only two watching.

  37. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Oake is on fire tonight
    Darnell is great.

  38. JimmyV1965 says:

    I think Khaira is a good example of what’s ultimately wrong with this team. He had a good game tonight, he got the puck moving in the right direction, but he is not an exceptionally skilled player. He gets about .5 shots PG and doesn’t have an outstanding shot. He can make the odd good play but he’s ultimately setting up a player who doesn’t have a great shot either or great scoring instincts. And JJs one of our better forwards. Ugh! now I’m starting to ramble.

  39. kgo says:

    I saw a distinct kicking motion. ..and a clear offside

  40. hunter1909 says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur: If I was GM one reason I trade the 1st for someone that can score and contribute now is because breaking this cycle won’t happen by developing the pick anyway. That pick will turn into a loser because it will be nurtured by losers. Trade the pick, fast track the process and break the cycle. Demonstrate that its not OK to be a loser anymore.

    To paraphrase Betty Davis: “But you’re not the GM”.

  41. hunter1909 says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur: the whole front office is just way stupider than the average hockey fan. How is that possible, with all the resources they have.

    Monty Python covered it in “Upper Class Twit of the Year”.

  42. hunter1909 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I think Khaira is a good example of what’s ultimately wrong with this team. He had a good game tonight, he got the puck moving in the right direction, but he is not an exceptionally skilled player. He gets about .5 shots PG and doesn’t have an outstanding shot. He can make the odd good play but he’s ultimately setting up a player who doesn’t have a great shot either or great scoring instincts. And JJs one of our better forwards. Ugh! now I’m starting to ramble.

    That’s very interesting writing. I wanted to read more.

  43. Pescador says:

    kgo:
    I saw a distinct kicking motion. ..and a clear offside

    I saw a team at home that couldn’t be bothered to muster a shot on a crucial PP.
    I saw a team desperate to stay in the playoff hunt play yet another egg on HNIC yet again.
    I saw a team that work hard for a bit then when things started to bounce against them, get out worked yet again

  44. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I think Khaira is a good example of what’s ultimately wrong with this team. He had a good game tonight, he got the puck moving in the right direction, but he is not an exceptionally skilled player. He gets about .5 shots PG and doesn’t have an outstanding shot. He can make the odd good play but he’s ultimately setting up a player who doesn’t have a great shot either or great scoring instincts. And JJs one of our better forwards. Ugh! now I’m starting to ramble.

    Well put, in all fairness now you owe me a Prozac prescription so I can get through the weekend.

  45. JimmyV1965 says:

    Really interesting comments from Hitch tonight. I might be reading more into than I should, but he basically said this team only wins when the stars are perfect. And that’s not a recipe for success. The team needs to get more out of its secondary players, whether that’s the group that played tonight or another group of players.

  46. smellyglove says:

    Glad I took a waiver on tonight.

    Season is done. Buyouts look good for Kassian and Spooner, so at least there’s that.

    Can a series of two teams retain on the same player?

    I.e. Lucic and a 3rd and Benson to Team B, Oilers retain $1.5 million. Team B trades Lucic to Team C, retaining $2 million.

  47. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Really interesting comments from Hitch tonight. I might be reading more into than I should, but he basically said this team only wins when the stars are perfect. And that’s not a recipe for success. The team needs to get more out of its secondary players, whether that’s the group that played tonight or another group of players.

    I thought the most interesting part from Ken Hitchcock was when he said something along the lines of “We need to get more, from more people. Whether that’s from this group or somewhere else or whatever…”. He continued on, and tried to spin the sentences in his answer a different way, but I thought that comment was a dead giveaway of what’s going on behind the scenes.

    I thought you could see Leon’s game with the puck erode a bit later in the game. Very certainly due to the heavy, heavy workload he’s taken on. A better team that has afforded him a more reasonable role gets a dangerous version of that player during the late sequences of the game, particularly the 6v5 time.

    What we’re currently observing is a team that may actually be signalling that not only is it further away from contention than a single player (acquired via trade) but they may be further away from /finishing with 90 points/ than a single player, as the result of just one major injury.

    How can anyone justify a trade costing futures in order to get from 84 pts to 87?

  48. Bling says:

    Wilde: I thought the most interesting part from Ken Hitchcock was when he said something along the lines of “We need to get more, from more people. Whether that’s from this group or somewhere else or whatever…”. He continued on, and tried to spin the sentences in his answer a different way, but I thought that comment was a dead giveaway of what’s going on behind the scenes.

    For starters, the Oilers don’t have to dress Lucic, Brodziak and Kassian. They choose to. Those guys do not contribute much out there and aren’t interested in going to the hard areas of the ice any more.

    Brodziak has been a 10-15 point player per 82 games for three of the last four seasons. Lucic is what he is. Kassian, while seemingly faster, has been regressing offensively for two seasons and largely plays on the perimeter now.

    I don’t see the harm in having some guys from the AHL come up for a real opportunity. Marody, Benson, and Yamamoto come to mind.

  49. Gret99zky says:

    Bling,

    Punishing Brodziak, Lucic, and Kassian so we can watch Marody, Benson, and Yamamoto get killed by playing way over their heads too early in their development?

    No thanks.

    Let the kids develop in the AHL.

  50. Gret99zky says:

    This shitty management team is going to cost McDavid another Hart trophy because they ain’t going to the postseason.

    And we all know the unwritten rule is: a player can only be the most valuable player to his team if the team makes the playoffs.

    If/when McDavid has finally had enough, who can blame him?

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    The tone of the comments is not unexpected (and not unwarranted).

    Of course, that loss leaves a sour tasts and it just doesn’t seem like this team is going to “put it together”.

    On the other hand, the out of town scoreboard had teams like STL and DET beat our competition and we lost no group – lost our game in hand on ANA mind you.

    Still 2 points out. On to the Buffalo game – should be fun to see Eichel and Skinner.

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    Why are people lamenting the Caggiula trade in relation to last night’s game.

    Yes, the trade can be lamented in general given Manning is terrible and the contract for next year but are people lamenting not having Drake Caggiula in the lineup for last night?

    Drake Caggilua is almost universally though of as a “non-NHL player”, “replacement level player”, “tweener” or, at best” bottom line player”.

    Now, the loss of Drake Caggiula hurts?

    As an aside, last night, Drake finished:

    CF%: 30%
    CFRel – -7
    FF% – 35%
    FFRel – -7
    GF% – 0% (2 goals against)

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    What in gods name is PC still doing as the GM of this team?

    Like, this team’s fundamental problem is that losing is OK. Its OK to be a loser.

    Its OK to look to the draft before the All Star break.
    Its OK to wait for the summer to make front office changes.
    Its OK take bank 5 cups against 40 years.

    Being a loser has seeped into the culture of the team and it erodes everything. If I was GM one reason I trade the 1st for someone that can score and contribute now is because breaking this cycle won’t happen by developing the pick anyway. That pick will turn into a loser because it will be nurtured by losers. Trade the pick, fast track the process and break the cycle. Demonstrate that its not OK to be a loser anymore.

    Note that, trading the pick for someone that can score will require, for this season, equal cap to that off the scoring player being disposed of.

    Note that, trading the pick for a proven scorer provides for an asset out that was expansion draft exempt for an asset in that needs to be protected – we are already in a position where the likes of Jones, Yamamoto or Puljujarvi will be lost – add in another protect and…..

  54. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    I am happy to wait if Connor McDavid is happy to wait.

    If he’s not, then get moving.

    Of course, the GM needs to be let go before yesterday.

  55. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Note that, trading the pick for someone that can score will require, for this season, equal cap to that off the scoring player being disposed of.

    Note that, trading the pick for a proven scorer provides for an asset out that was expansion draft exempt for an asset in that needs to be protected – we are already in a position where the likes of Jones, Yamamoto or Puljujarvi will be lost – add in another protect and…..

    I get that you don’t want to trade a pick, but the expansion draft Is nothing but a red herring. With RNH set to be a free agent, there are two forwards on this roster worth protecting. I’ll be thrilled if there’s an actual tough decision to make about who to protect.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    Last night’s loss hurt, yes, but, at the same time, every other team we are fighting with that played lost (to sub par teams give or take the Habs) so, ya, I’m still watching the scoreboard.

    ANA vs. WIN – Go Jets

    FLA vs. VAN – Go Panthers

    ARI vs. CGY – Go Flames – sigh

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: TBH, Spooner started well, then faded.Lucic also started well but then made two bone-headed plays.Russell was good.Manning was fantastic in the press box.Rieder is as I suspected, not the droid we were looking for.Drai has his worst game I’ve seen as an Oiler, including rookie season and was rewarded by being put back with McDavid.

    And I’m starting to imagine this team without McDavid…..

    The entire team started well and then faded.

    For some reason, even though the team played well in the first period, and the three top lines all were having plus shifts, Hitchcock starting re-arranging the lines. Sometimes he over-coaches in my opinion (“I’m the smartest guy in the room” syndrome).

    Why was Chiasson replacing Rattie on the top line – Rattie was great in the first period, skating well and a nice set up on the goal.

    I blame part of the game’s turn around on our coach.

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: FFS Katz.

    Enough, clean house and start a resort for the lads in LA or wherever you spend the most time.

    Soon enough LT and OP will be the only two watching.

    OP can’t imagine a scenario where he would stop watching…..

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    kgo:
    I saw a distinct kicking motion. ..and a clear offside

    The breaks were not with the team tonight (again) but I saw no distinct kicking motion and definitely nothing definitive on the blue line play to over turn the call on the ice.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bling:

    I don’t see the harm in having some guys from the AHL come up for a real opportunity. Marody, Benson, and Yamamoto come to mind.

    Yamamoto is up – he’s been hurt for a few weeks now.

    Benson is simply not NHL ready – he just isn’t. I watch a good chunk of the Condors’ games (for example the first two periods yesterday with the third period on in the background). His game is developing and he’s progressing and he’s working on his skating, etc. but he simply isn’t ready for the NHL.

    Marody is a plus player at the AHL level and he could get another recall but he’s no going to move the needle at the NHL level quite yet – in particular since the current coach will refuse to play him with anyone but Brodziak and whichever other offensive player is wasted on the 4th line.

    Marody can be a complimentary player with other offensive players perhaps but he can’t skate well enough to play center in the NHL, not at this point.

  61. Wilde says:

    Kailer Yamamoto might have to calm down.

    He is, and I’m not going anywhere weird with this, an Arditi. He’s a shock trooper.

    And has the very same compromise: Outsized effectiveness; giving two men fits on the forecheck by himself, but inviting consistent retribution by his daring.

    I think he may have to renegotiate the terms on that deal and slant it more towards his long-term health. I’m certain he has the skill to rebalance the budget.

    From watching so many AHL games intently this year, I’ve come to realise it’s a dirtier league than the NHL.

    In a November game against the Eagles, Bear was contained along the boards from the side as he made a pass out of his own zone, and then was shoved off of his skates by the first forechecker and elbowed in the head as he fell by the second.

    Just a minute or so later, Luke Esposito was leg-swept and pulled down in a slew-foot fashion and was unharmed, but his stick hit the perp in the face as they both went down so the guy jumped him after he got up. Luke is loved by his teammates for among other reasons being a rugged player, so I can never rule out retaliation but as this was at the very beginning of the game, I don’t actually think the fourth line had had a shift yet – Espo is the 4C usually and Woodcroft will frequently roll 1-2-3-1-4-2-3 or something like that rather than 1-2-3-4.

    Last night the Condors and Eagles played again (Condors won 2-0; don’t know much else because I watch the games later so I can skip through stoppages and pause to track events) and it was brought to my attention by the Condors Twitter that one of the Condors (Josh Currie by the looks of it?) had been pretty brutally elbowed in the game, and I’m assuming there was no call. It was of the sort that carries a suspension for even first-timers in the NHL.

    The Eagles’ Twitter posted a low-quality gif of it because they thought it was Totally Awesome, link is here: https://twitter.com/ColoradoEagles/status/1084301616142942208

    Anyways, I think it really hurts the game having stuff like this in developmental leagues. One of the best parts of watching the AHL is knowing you’re experiencing the first pro steps of guys who will have NHL careers, but not knowing which ones. Some of the stuff I see makes me wonder how many guys would have been somebody if not for shitty, gross plays. I wonder about Matt Benning in that way, but at least he /got/ there.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gret99zky:
    This shitty management team is going to cost McDavid another Hart trophy because they ain’t going to the postseason.

    And we all know the unwritten rule is: a player can only be the most valuable player to his team if the team makes the playoffs.

    If/when McDavid has finally had enough, who can blame him?

    When he’s finally had enough of spending the $100M the organization is paying him?

    McDavid will be just fine.

    McDavid is smart enough to know that, with patience and not making panic moves, the cap crunch will alleviate within a few years when he is still young and entering his prime along with the rest of the core of the team.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: I get that you don’t want to trade a pick, but the expansion draft Is nothing but a red herring. With RNH set to be a free agent, there are two forwards on this roster worth protecting. I’ll be thrilled if there’s an actual tough decision to make about who to protect.

    I’m going to disagree on your assesment of the forward group.

    I will also posit that they aren’t going to be looking for Nuge to just leave as a UFA so, he’ll either be re-signed or the player(s) returning in a trade worthy of protection.

  64. drglen says:

    Why would they not play with desperation. ?

    So, Jujar trade value probably less now than a few games ago, but.. not able to step up here.

    It’s not looking good. I don’t think any more farm help is being brought up.. trade not really viable, and present lineup just treading water and sinking.

    Does anybody have any ideas? We need less giveaways, and more shots and goals, couple more stops. Thoughts, suggestions?

    Rieder, take a seat. Spooner, take a seat. Jesse, ’emerge’ any day now please.

    The last gasp in my books, and might as well do it now and not in garbage time, call up Benson and Marody ( sit spooner and Rieder) and give them a few shifts. Put Yamo with them if he’s healthy. ( I know I know, let them develop in American League- might as well have a look at them in the NHL… we’re about to be out of the playoff hunt, this is a better play than making any sort of trade. Hitch is going to go with a forward rotation of 7 guys anyways.

  65. JOFA says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    How is Debrincat progressing? Has his skating improved? Will he be ready for the NHL soon? 😉

  66. Glovjuice says:

    Jethro Tull: TBH, Spooner started well, then faded.Lucic also started well but then made two bone-headed plays.Russell was good.Manning was fantastic in the press box.Rieder is as I suspected, not the droid we were looking for.Drai has his worst game I’ve seen as an Oiler, including rookie season and was rewarded by being put back with McDavid.

    And I’m starting to imagine this team without McDavid…..

    Well, I guess I should have watched to see Russel then.

  67. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: Note that, trading the pick for someone that can score will require, for this season, equal cap to that off the scoring player being disposed of.

    Note that, trading the pick for a proven scorer provides for an asset out that was expansion draft exempt for an asset in that needs to be protected – we are already in a position where the likes of Jones, Yamamoto or Puljujarvi will be lost – add in another protect and…..

    Accurate outcome narrative but it is a risk to take to aquire a difference maker with age and term on their side. For a team that got the lottery of only losing Reinhardt to the last expansion I say you can’t worry about it. Wow, this team really did have SO many dominos fall it’s way around the 97 draft/expansion and turned it to total shit. Crazy.

  68. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m going to disagree on your assesment of the forward group.

    I will also posit that they aren’t going to be looking for Nuge to just leave as a UFA so, he’ll either be re-signed or the player(s) returning in a trade worthy of protection.

    I know you’re an optimist, but why in the world would RNH resign here? Losing is misery and he’s known only misery. Not one time have I ever made a statement to the effect that we suck so much McDavid will demand a trade. But a realistic, reasonable suggestion is that he won’t resign in seven years if the team is still awful. To assume that RNH will resign here in two years is unreasonable. I guess we can trade him so we got that working for us.

  69. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Why are people lamenting the Caggiula trade in relation to last night’s game.

    Yes, the trade can be lamented in general given Manning is terrible and the contract for next year but are people lamenting not having Drake Caggiula in the lineup for last night?

    Drake Caggilua is almost universally though of as a “non-NHL player”, “replacement level player”, “tweener” or, at best” bottom line player”.

    Now, the loss of Drake Caggiula hurts?

    As an aside, last night, Drake finished:

    CF%: 30%
    CFRel – -7
    FF% – 35%
    FFRel – -7
    GF% – 0% (2 goals against)

    Because Caggula is under 25 and very easy to buy out. He sucks but someone may have taken him on waivers. Instead we got a player that absolutely nobody wanted. And his buyout is a lot more expensive. Chia used to at least win the little trades. Now he’s losing those hands down

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    JOFA:
    OriginalPouzar,

    How is Debrincat progressing? Has his skating improved? Will he be ready for the NHL soon?

    I should add that to the list of things we need to start talking about:

    1) Where the Manning and Spooner acquisitions smart moves

    2) Has Chia done a good job as GM

    3) We passing on DeBrincat for Benson the right move

    Anything else knew we need to explore

    I don’t understand how its not just exhausting for people to talk about the shitty moves from the past number of years, day after day after day. To each their own and, of course, that is each person’s/poster’s right, however, we all know it – there isn’t any discussion to be had – its just re-hasing.

    Personally, I like to talk about the path forward.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: Because Caggula is under 25 and very easy to buy out.He sucks but someone may have taken him on waivers.Instead we got a player that absolutely nobody wanted.And his buyout is a lot more expensive.Chia used to at least win the little trades.Now he’s losing those hands down

    Again, lamenting the trade in general is one thing and fine – people are lamenting the trade vis-a-vis last night’s game – like the trade hurt the team’s ability to win, last night. Caggulia was almost universally thought of as a negative player or barely above replacement level at best.

    Sure lament the trade for the acquisition of a player we did not need with adding cap next year – fair. Lamenting the loss of Caggiula? Really?

  72. lenko says:

    Bling,

    Agree!

  73. Gret99zky says:

    OriginalPouzar: When he’s finally had enough of spending the $100M the organization is paying him?

    McDavid will be just fine.

    McDavid is smart enough to know that, with patience and not making panic moves, the cap crunch will alleviate within a few years when he is still young and entering his prime along with the rest of the core of the team.

    He won’t ask for a trade.

    And even if he does, everything will be okay.

    We will still have some players bubbling under in the WHL/AHL, some of those games will be televised so people can enjoy them, the return for McDavid might not please everyone but it will most certainly be an interesting point for discussion, future drafts, peppermint miniskirts, chocolate candy, champion sax and a girl named Sandy.,,

  74. russ99 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    1. Both were cap/trade value related. The mistake was signing those players (and Benning) to undeserved RFA contracts, would have made more sense to move at deadline last year for expiring contracts or at the draft for picks, than bring them back at a premium because Chia is in love with his own acquisitions and his misguided plan to stock the roster with ’94 birthdays regardless of talent to make up for bad drafts in the past.

    2. No, see above plus not handling cap plus trades. Caggiula and Benning were failures because of the NHL playing time promised, both should have developed in the AHL first, though you could say that for a lot of our players. I can count his good acquisitions on one hand. For the record, I liked the Larsson trade at the time and still do now, though we should have gotten another NHL asset in return.

    3. Old Boys think they know more about anyone in the WHL because the Oil Kings. Also seems odd sicne they drafted a player with a simlar smaller size/build in Yamamoto. I’d say nope.

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