Game 45 2018-19: Coyotes at Oilers

Saturdays in winter. We had to milk and feed the goats, and we had to make sure there was enough coal (we had a giant bin that needed to be full) for the day. It was dark much of the morning, the single outside light flooding the backyard and letting everyone know for miles around we were home. When we were young, coming back from Grandma’s or the Kingdom Hall, I would feel a warmth come over me when we’d turn the corner at the Alan Store and see the light shining at home. It meant the goats were okay, the dog was fine, and we’d be warm soon.

In the winter, 17 miles north of Maidstone, the one constant was cold. Extreme cold. My brother and I would set up two sawhorses, place two 10-gallon buckets inside (they were the goalies) and commence hammering those buckets with pucks for hours. We wore ski-doo boots, liner inside and two sets of wool socks. Still froze our feet, damn fools. As my brother got older, found work and money and cars and girls, it become a solo pursuit. I set up just one saw horse, and got to be Orr all the time. I missed him though, it’s never the same without your brother.

Saturday afternoon brought Bugs Bunny at 5, followed by Hockey Night in Canada. My Dad would hang around to see who was playing, if it was Boston versus Toronto or Montreal against Chicago, he was in. Minnesota? St. Louis? Mom could talk him into a game of cribbage over at the table, where he could hear the game and run over if Mahovlich scored. Me, I loved the expansion teams, especially the green group (Minnesota, Oakland) and new names like Frank St. Marseille, Juha Widing and Bill Goldsworthy. Most of all, I loved the Bruins and Bobby Orr.

Saturdays in winter. It’s hockey’s big day. In my mind’s eye, that single outside light still shines and lights up the night, bringing the sawhorses, the goats, my brother, Mom and Dad, the memories, just a little closer. Saturdays in winter. I can’t wait for the hockey game.

THE ATHLETIC!

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OILERS AFTER 45

  • Oilers in 2015: 17-23-5, 39 points; goal differential -24
  • Oilers in 2016: 23-15-7, 53 points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in 2017: 19-23-3, 41 points; goal differential -26
  • Oilers in 2018: 21-20-3, 45 points; goal differential -11

Damned Coyotes are on a bit of a run now, I’ll talk to Cat Silverman about the team’s season on SSE at 1:20 this afternoon. I think Edmonton has to hit 15 points in January, meaning the team needs to go 4-1-1 in the final six games. Borderline impossible. If the club can do it, the record at the end of January would be 50, 25-21-4, 54 points (trajectory: 89 points). Hard nose the highway.

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 2-2-2, six points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2017: 3-3-0, six points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2018: 2-4-0, four points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in January 2019: 3-2-0, six points; goal differential -4

A chance to go two games up for January as we approach the midway point in the month. The goal differential is a key element this month, things should recover when Klefbom returns.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN JANUARY

  • On the road to: ArizonaLos AngelesAnaheim, San Jose (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • At home to: Florida, Arizona, Buffalo (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Calgary, Carolina, Detroit (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-5-2, 10 points in 11 games
  • Current results: 3-2-0, six points in five games

This coming week offers the team a chance to get some points before the challenge that the Flames represent to everyone this year. I think the Buffalo and Vancouver games will be far more difficult than some fans believe.

Edmonton is getting some breaks, though. Anaheim lost again last night, and if the Oilers win tonight (and Minnesota loses) the club will have the same number of points as the No. 8 seed Wild (who would have a game in hand). Minnesota is on pace to finish with 87.6 points, so maybe the actual number to make the playoffs is lower than we’ve been projecting.

A LIST OF CANDIDATES

How many forwards on the current Oilers depth chart should return next year? Without regard for cap hit or term, how many? I think the answer is both startling and key to finding a successful path forward for the organization. Here’s my answer:

That’s my list. Now, we’re going to add some more names here, but I wanted to pare it down to start, just showing the group who have delivered enough offensively (and without the puck) to return on merit. The cap hit for this group next year is $27 million plus whatever Khaira and Chiasson will cost via free agency. Remember, we’re not bringing anyone back because we have to, we’re just interested in bringing back regulars who have earned it.

What about the kids? I mean, you can’t have five kid forwards every year but surely some of these characters can help?

I believe Puljujarvi has shown enough to be part of next year’s team, your mileage may vary. I think Kailer Yamamoto and Tyler Benson may get there but the organization can’t count on those men starting next fall based on their current resumes.

So we’re looking to find a top nine the team can afford to fit under the cap that we’re certain will be a contender. I’m going to use UFA examples:

How can the Oilers afford this lineup? Trade Milan Lucic and Andrej Sekera. Failing that, draft and develop. It all comes down to this: As much as you’re upset about wasting another year of Connor McDavid, a poor move now that brings in expensive veterans in exchange for picks and prospects could turn four unproductive McDavid seasons into eight. This is damned serious.

So if you can’t get there from here, what’s the answer? Well, in my opinion, you try to solve problems with long-term solutions. If you’re the Oilers, that means you might need transitional talents to get you there, but you do have players on the way who should be 5+ season solutions:

I’ve targeted Ehlers because the Jets (imo) are going to need to make a big trade. Edmonton has pieces (including a high pick in 2019’s draft) that may appeal. This would be a summer trade. I’ve also moved Leon to the No. 2 line, he could easily be moved back to center. I have two substantial offensive lines and what should be a reasonable checking group with some offense.

Now. What to do with Milan Lucic, Kyle Brodziak, Ryan Spooner, Zack Kassian? Trade what you can, buy out someone (Spooner most likely) and then play the rest on a fourth line or sit them in the pressbox. If one of these men shows a turnaround, by all means elevate them. You can’t count on it though, and I think that’s what we’re going to see come the fall.

By January, maybe Benson and Yamamoto are tearing the cover off the ball in the AHL and you can bring them in as plug-and-play options with miles in front of them at value contract totals.

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    It wasn’t pretty last game but they over-came a late bad break own goal that put them down late and ended up with two points. Perhaps its something to build on.

    2 points and another game closer to Klefbom returning.

    Time to do it again tonight.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    I would be fine with Talbot starting tonight.

    Not a “no-brainer” though and Koskinen should get another start before too long.

  3. jtblack says:

    “Saturdays in winter. It’s hockey’s big day. In my mind’s eye, that single outside light still shines and lights up the night, bringing the sawhorses, the goats, my brother, Mom and Dad, the memories, just a little closer. Saturdays in winter. I can’t wait for the hockey game.”

    Great Stuff LT !!!

  4. Ice Sage says:

    Lovely prairie youth memories LT.
    Although I had the same set up for boots, they didn’t keep the snow from overriding, melting and trickling down my ankles after fishing dozens of pucks out of snowbanks.
    I still get a shudder and calf-tickle when things ice up.

    This homestand is last gasp for the playoffs. Agree they need 4 wins minimum, in regulation vs AZ and VAN would help a lot.

    Goil.

  5. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings via Points Percentage expressed as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY 16
    SJS 13
    VGK 11

    Central
    WPG 14
    NSH 12
    DAL 5

    Wildcard
    MIN 4
    COL 4

    Out of playoffs
    ANA 1
    EDM 1
    VAN -1
    ARI -2
    STL -2
    CHI -6
    LAK -8

    Games that matter today:

    COL at MTL (MTL -110)
    DET at MIN (MIN -250)
    VGK at CHI (VGK -180)
    STL at DAL (DAL -140)
    OTT at SJS (SJS -340(!!))
    PIT at LAK (PIT -145)
    EDM at ARI (EDM -140)

    Happy Tabernac Saturday everyone!

    GOILERS!

    *clapclap*

  6. Melman says:

    Terrific story to start the day LT, replete with imagery that is stored in my mind’s photo album.

    *clap clap*

  7. Mr DeBakey says:

    So if you can’t get there from here, what’s the answer? Well, in my opinion, you try to solve problems with long-term solutions. If you’re the Oilers, that means you might need transitional talents to get you there, but you do have players on the way who should be 5+ season solutions:

    The other thing is to be looking for more Chiassons; about 3 would be a good idea.
    There are always a bunch floating around.
    And Lucic should be sucking up none of their icetime in October, November & December

  8. Woogie63 says:

    I went to the Flames v Panthers games last night, Flames scored the winner in the third with about 6 minutes left in the game. Heartbreaking for the visitors.

    Flames looked sluggish and slow, and I came away with the thought the Panthers can check and clog up the ice but unless their top 2 are on the ice not much happens.

  9. who says:

    I could see Ehlers being available, if the Jets sign all of Trouba, Connor and Laine. But if it’s a salary dump for picks or prospects, the Oilers will have to dump some salary first. I don’t think they have room to just take on Ehlers.
    That Lucic contract continues to haunt us. And now Chia has added Spooner and Manning to the pile. We are blessed.

  10. Oil2Oilers says:

    Wow LT, you claim hockey does not have the poets Baseball does, maybe that is because you are not lucky enough to read your own writing with a outside prospective.

  11. drglen says:

    Thank you for the story.

    I’m not as up as ‘who’s out there’ as you guys are. Oilers still need to keep drafting. I’m thinking Benson and Maksimov will make this lineup, They cannot trade 1st and second round pics.

    On merit, Khaira is on squad, but Khaira is the only realistic piece that could be moved as part of an aquisition of the top 9 top6 winger you seek. I love him as an oiler, he’s sagging at moment but shows that top side potential ( has shown argualbly more than JP) .. , and I think other GMs see that too. Moving Khaira does not sink the team.

    Has JP played with Kassian?

    Hold on to JP. They should hold Kailer as well until they see what he can do. It’s too bad he get’s injured. Having said that, if a trade for a proven and still young top 6 forward came up and they wanted Kailer, I’d add him to that trade. I’m far less certain about him than I am on JP ( even if I am in the minority)

    I think we have to wait , tick tick tick, … until a contending team has an injury in a Khaira-esque role, and a deal will happen. I seem to be the only one trading Khaira though.. based on what I’m reading.

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    I thought I’d reply to this coversation from early this morning in the new thread – sorry for the long copy/paste and change of conversation:

    OriginalPouzar: Sure we can – that’s what teams that contend for the Stanley Cup do.
    Aside from Lucic, all our “achnor contracts” expire in the next year or two. Of course, trying to move out salary should be a priority, however, with smart moves forward and patience, cap hell will alleviate somewhat within the next few years and, at the same time, this team will start to bear the fruits of better drafting and development with many prospect ready to battle for NHL job on merit.At least a few should “make it” and we should see some ELC contract where the player outperforms their cap hit.
    Be smart about asset management and this team will be in a position to make substantial improvements within a few years, with a young and talented core and NHL ready youngsters.
    Lets not forget, 1st round pick out for immediate help includes an expansion draft exempt asset out for a protect asset and that is a large consideration considering we are already set up to lose a Jones or Puljuarvi without bringin in another player that needs to be protected.

    JIMMYV1965 says:
    Are you suggesting we start the next season with three top three forwards again? If so, do you think this affects team morale? It’s interesting OP, I think I’m a fairly reasonable, well measured guy, but I think that is a monumental mistake. I don’t think we should go out and trade the first round pick, but I do think they have to do something to make progress. I might feel different if JP or Yama light it up in let’s say the final 20 games.

    ——————————————————–

    I’m suggesting that management (whoever it is) realizes that the cap crunch will alleviate somewhat within a couple of seasons and there is a swarth of NHL prospects that are on the cusp and chances are at least a couple will make it.

    Of course, the intent this summer would be to try and move some of the “anchor contracts” and open up room to improve a bit externally, however, I personally do not think that these moves should be forced – I do not think that material sweetners should be added in order to divest of contracts. I do not think that buyouts should happen that add cap term in the future.

    I believe that trying to fast-track the reversal of the recent poor moves likely leads to further purgatory. No, I don’t want to go in to next season with a giant hole in the top 6 and at 2RD, however, I would rather be patient for another year or so, allow contracts to fall off and ya, maybe suffer another tough season, than to make moves the “mortgage the future”, cause further expansion draft issues and, in my mind, provide great risk of extending the purgatory.

  13. dustrock says:

    That was beautiful, Allan.

    Now take your time, and let me know if you need a break, but I want to get into when exactly they turned into Tabernacle Saturdays.

  14. Oil2Oilers says:

    I have been gradually coming back around to the perspective the Chiarelli has been doing the job he was hire to do;

    Senior Management wanted a GM that had a reputation for being courageous enough to trade young special tallents that fail to kiss the ring of ‘real hockey men’ in the proper way. So they found a guy who had traded Kessel and Seguin. They got what they wanted; the Hall trade.

    Senior Management had lusted over Milan Lucic, to the point of making comments the verged on tampering with another clubs players. It addled their brains and their draft strategy for years. With Milan finally coming up to free agency they wanted a GM that could get him signed. They did.

    Senior Management values rugged defensemen over talented ones, see every decision since Coffee left town. They hire a GM that shares their view.

    The problem with the Oilers, same as it ever was, is higher up the totem pole than the current GM.

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    I wonder if Yamamoto gets activated for tonight (easy to re-assign Joe G. to open up the roster spot).

    I don’t imagine an overhaul of the lines but I sure would like to see Spooner in the top 6 and Rattie as well.

    I continue to see zero reason to play Spooner with the likes of Brodziak – doesn’t set that line up for success and doesn’t set Spooner up for success.

    I would rather Chiasson be in the bottom 6 (with continued PP1 time) and the top 6 wingers be Rattie, Spooner, JP, Yamamoto (and, of course, whichever of Nuge or Drai the coach chooses as he won’t stick with 3 center unicorns for long)

  16. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Safe to say that Pistol Pete has Painted himself into a corner.

    There is a reason he keeps grasping at players like Spooner, Reider, Brodziak, Jokinen, Aberg etc. He has not other options. Once in a while he hits (Chiasson, maybe Aberg) … But Edm just can’t bring in a player with any kind of cap hit … There is NO room.

    I was baffled when the Reinhart trade was made. Nobody has yet been able to give a clear explanation on that deal.

    But the Cap Crunch makes the Manning Trade even more BIZARRE. Can someone explain that deal to me???

  17. tileguy says:

    Did you have skates growing up LT? Fond memories include skating on the sloughs and throughout the fields in spring where the snow melt would create frozen arteries at night leading to them.

  18. Lowetide says:

    tileguy:
    Did you have skates growing up LT? Fond memories include skating on the sloughs and throughout the fields in spring where the snow melt would create frozen arteries at night leading to them.

    I did, but was not a good skater. I made teams at lower levels but at an early age I wasn’t playing organized sports. I played soccer longer than anything. Enjoyed all of the team sports though, I do think they’re important.

  19. russ99 says:

    Good article LT.

    I’d cash Chiasson out, we’d need to pay him extra for his hot streak this year, and he’ll likely not replicate it next year. May be able to get a 2nd or 3rd for him at the deadline if we’ve fallen off by then.

  20. Clarkenstein says:

    I don’t get the love for Khaira. Huge step backwards this year. Our pre HNIC routine would include getting out the table hockey game and having a little tournament with my brothers. That thing was in pretty rough shape at the end of our childhood. The knobs were mostly worn out and gone so we’d put white tape on there… which was black. Not sure why we didn’t replace it from time to time. Some of the wingers were bent from not being careful when shoving it back under the bed or we’d bend them intentionally thinking we’d get a better shot away. The marble was off the table more than it was on and it would roll all over the place on the hardwood floor. We had no end of tools used to get it out from under or behind things. On occasion it would roll under the monster couch we had and only Dad could lift it. Then we’d find all kinds of things under there we thought we had lost and if Mom was going by she would be abhorred at the dust and crap under there so Dad would stay holding it while she vaccumed. Once the game started at 7:00 (which was usually the beginning of the 2nd period… can you imagine?) everything was put away and we were glued to the TV. If the Leafs were playing I’d keep meticulous stats in a book. I presume Mom threw out that book with all my baseball cards!!

  21. geowal says:

    Lovely intro. Puts a good spirit in things and gives me hope we won’t see the usual HNIC debacle from the good ship Oilers.

  22. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I thought I’d reply to this coversation from early this morning in the new thread – sorry for the long copy/paste and change of conversation:

    OriginalPouzar: Sure we can – that’s what teams that contend for the Stanley Cup do.
    Aside from Lucic, all our “achnor contracts” expire in the next year or two. Of course, trying to move out salary should be a priority, however, with smart moves forward and patience, cap hell will alleviate somewhat within the next few years and, at the same time, this team will start to bear the fruits of better drafting and development with many prospect ready to battle for NHL job on merit.At least a few should “make it” and we should see some ELC contract where the player outperforms their cap hit.
    Be smart about asset management and this team will be in a position to make substantial improvements within a few years, with a young and talented core and NHL ready youngsters.
    Lets not forget, 1st round pick out for immediate help includes an expansion draft exempt asset out for a protect asset and that is a large consideration considering we are already set up to lose a Jones or Puljuarvi without bringin in another player that needs to be protected.

    JIMMYV1965 says:
    Are you suggesting we start the next season with three top three forwards again? If so, do you think this affects team morale? It’s interesting OP, I think I’m a fairly reasonable, well measured guy, but I think that is a monumental mistake. I don’t think we should go out and trade the first round pick, but I do think they have to do something to make progress. I might feel different if JP or Yama light it up in let’s say the final 20 games.

    ——————————————————–

    I’m suggesting that management (whoever it is) realizes that the cap crunch will alleviate somewhat within a couple of seasons and there is a swarth of NHL prospects that are on the cusp and chances are at least a couple will make it.

    Of course, the intent this summer would be to try and move some of the “anchor contracts” and open up room to improve a bit externally, however, I personally do not think that these moves should be forced – I do not think that material sweetners should be added in order to divest of contracts.I do not think that buyouts should happen that add cap term in the future.

    I believe that trying to fast-track the reversal of the recent poor moves likely leads to further purgatory.No, I don’t want to go in to next season with a giant hole in the top 6 and at 2RD, however, I would rather be patient for another year or so, allow contracts to fall off and ya, maybe suffer another tough season, than to make moves the “mortgage the future”, cause further expansion draft issues and, in my mind, provide great risk of extending the purgatory.

    Very well put OP.
    I totally agree and couldn’t have said it better.

  23. Lowetide says:

    Clarkenstein:
    I don’t get the love for Khaira. Huge step backwards this year.Our pre HNIC routine would include getting out the table hockey game and having a little tournament with my brothers. That thing was in pretty rough shape at the end of our childhood. The knobs were mostly worn out and gone so we’d put white tape on there… which was black.Not sure why we didn’t replace it from time to time. Some of the wingers were bent from not being careful when shoving it back under the bed or we’d bend them intentionally thinking we’d get a better shot away. The marble was off the table more than it was on and it would roll all over the place on the hardwood floor. We had no end of tools used to get it out from under or behind things.On occasion it would roll under the monster couch we had and only Dad could lift it. Then we’d find all kinds of things under there we thought we had lost and if Mom was going by she would be abhorred at the dust and crap under there so Dad would stay holding it while she vaccumed. Once the game started at 7:00 (which was usually the beginning of the 2nd period… can you imagine?) everything was put away and we were glued to the TV.If the Leafs were playing I’d keep meticulous stats in a book.I presume Mom threw out that book with all my baseball cards!!

    Lol. I love it. Lots of great memories in there.

  24. drglen says:

    russ99:
    Good article LT.

    I’d cash Chiasson out, we’d need to pay him extra for his hot streak this year, and he’ll likely not replicate it next year. May be able to get a 2nd or 3rd for him at the deadline if we’ve fallen off by then.

    Does he agree to a reasonable deal to stay? say 1.2 for 2 years or something? 1.5? Don’t think I’d go more, and 2 years is probably 1 too many. He has a simple smart game so there is no reason he can’t continue it a couple more years. Is he worth more than Kassian? I say he’s equal to Kassian ( who is a bit overpaid) … Others may disagree but without Kassian I think more liberties are taken with our players, and he has shown flashes of that top side.

  25. Ben says:

    who:
    Icould see Ehlers being available, if the Jets sign all of Trouba, Connor and Laine. But if it’s a salary dump for picks or prospects, the Oilers will have to dump some salary first. I don’t think they have room to just take on Ehlers.
    That Lucic contract continues to haunt us. And now Chia has addedSpooner and Manning to the pile. We are blessed.

    The Oilers are house-poor. But the upside of already paying full-price for their elite talent now is that inflation will start to cheapen those deals.

    Ehlers is exactly the rare kind of player I’d consider moving the 1st for–but of course that’s assuming he’d sign long-term at a palatable number.

    I suspect he’d cost more, like the 1st and KY, and that it would take $6M per to sign him. A good chunk of that space will come from the rising cap, but they’ll need more.

    So much is riding on Sekera’s future. To be entirely ruthless about it, the two best possible outcomes for the team would be 1) a return to form for the player, and 2) retirement.

    The fact that our current management has failed at BOTH talent acquisition AND cap management is not ideal.

    EDIT: Thanks Who, Ehlers already signed long-term at 6

  26. Paulie says:

    jtblack:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Safe to say that Pistol Pete has Painted himself into a corner.

    There is a reason he keeps grasping at players like Spooner, Reider, Brodziak, Jokinen, Aberg etc.He has not other options.Once in a while he hits (Chiasson, maybe Aberg) … But Edm just can’t bring in a player with any kind of cap hit … There is NO room.

    I was baffled when the Reinhart trade was made.Nobody has yet been able to give a clear explanation on that deal.

    But the Cap Crunch makes the Manning Trade even more BIZARRE. Can someone explain that deal to me???

    Agreed 100%. There was a Chia interview in the Athletic awhile back in which he basically said that b/c Connor’s new contract was going to be so expensive it didn’t leave him with much wiggle room. My favorite nugget from the interview: “Ideally in your top six, you’d like to have six top-six players,” Chiarelli said. “But sometimes you can’t.”

    What he should have said is, “Ideally in your top six, you’d like to have six top-six players. It’s doable but you have to make sure you don’t trade away an elite river pushing winger in his prime on a below-market for the next four years, a strong complementary player that can score 20-25 goals a year, and, most importantly, don’t give a cap crippling, long-term contract to a 28 year old heavy, slow player with a lot of mileage. If you do that, then the top six will be populated by unproven prospects, declining vets, and prayers. That’s no way to build a championship quality team.”

  27. speeds says:

    If EDMs 2019 1st rd pick was for sure about to be traded, and you had to choose between the following two options, which would you choose?

    (a) trade the pick with Lucic to move his contract
    (b) trade the pick to help in a playoff push this season

  28. who says:

    Ben: The Oilers are house-poor. But the upside of already paying full-price for their elite talent now is that inflation will start to cheapen those deals.

    Ehlers is exactly the rare kind of player I’d consider moving the 1st for–but of course that’s assuming he’d sign long-term at a palatable number.

    I suspect he’d cost more, like the 1st and KY, and that it would take $6M per to sign him. A good chunk of that space will come from the rising cap, but they’ll need more.

    So much is riding on Sekera’s future. To be entirely ruthless about it, the two best possible outcomes for the team would be 1) a return to form for the player, and 2) retirement.

    The fact that our current management has failed at BOTH talent acquisition AND cap management is not ideal.

    Ehlers is already signed for 6 mil with term. The problem is the Oilers don’t have 6 mil in cap space.
    Ehlers is one of the few guys I would consider trading the 1st rounder for. I just don’t think the Oilers have the cap space to do it.

  29. Woogie63 says:

    I just don’t see the plan playing out like LT has laid out above.

    After 2-3 years of building the conveyor belt, it starts to work properly next year.

    Out contacts – $18.6M
    Talbot, Manning, Petrovic, Benning, Kassian, Spooner, Brodziak, Rieder

    Everyone of these players might go for picks to keep the convey belt going. Those three dman might be easy to move at the trade deadline, depending where the team is at.

    In Contract $3.5M
    Yamamoto, Jones, Bear, Benson

    August 15 adds. $2.7M
    Back up goalie, a new Chiasson

    Raises to current players $5M

    Found cap space is $7M ish

  30. tileguy says:

    drglen: Does he agree to a reasonable deal to stay?say 1.2 for 2 years or something?1.5? Don’t think I’d go more, and 2 years is probably 1 too many.He has a simple smart game so there is no reason he can’t continue it a couple more years.Is he worth more than Kassian?I say he’s equal to Kassian ( who is a bit overpaid) … Others may disagree but without Kassian I think more liberties are taken with our players, and he has shown flashes of that top side.

    Hmmmmm, 29 yr old 30 goal scorers, what can they be worth? More than 1.5 I suspect. Best we start negotiations now to see what his mindset is, or perhaps Russ99 is correct in that we cash him out.

  31. JimmyV1965 says:

    drglen:
    Thank you for the story.

    I’m not as up as ‘who’s out there’ as you guys are. Oilers still need to keep drafting.I’m thinking Benson and Maksimov will make this lineup,They cannot trade 1st and second round pics.

    On merit, Khaira is on squad, but Khaira is the only realistic piece that could be moved as part of an aquisition of the top 9 top6 winger you seek.I love him as an oiler, he’s sagging at moment but shows that top side potential ( has shown argualbly more than JP) .. , and I think other GMs see that too.Moving Khaira does not sink the team.

    Has JP played with Kassian?

    Hold on to JP.They should hold Kailer as well until they see what he can do. It’s too bad he get’s injured.Having said that, if a trade for a proven and still young top 6 forward came up and they wanted Kailer, I’d add him to that trade.I’m far less certain about him than I am on JP ( even if I am in the minority)

    I think we have to wait , tick tick tick, … until a contending team has an injury in a Khaira-esque role, and a deal will happen.I seem to be the only one trading Khaira though.. based on what I’m reading.

    I think Kassian would have much more value in a trade than JJ. He’s fast and has a nasty streak. In fact, a good GM might even get a second for him at the deadline. Third for sure.

  32. Ben says:

    “Find bad managers, keep bad managers.”

  33. Pescador says:

    Woogie63:
    I went to the Flames v Panthers games last night, Flames scored the winner in the third with about 6 minutes left in the game.Heartbreaking for the visitors.

    Flames looked sluggish and slow, and I came away with the thought the Panthers can check and clog up the ice but unless their top 2 are on the ice not much happens.

    Sounds like the Oilers, save for the good defensive play

  34. JimmyV1965 says:

    russ99:
    Good article LT.

    I’d cash Chiasson out, we’d need to pay him extra for his hot streak this year, and he’ll likely not replicate it next year. May be able to get a 2nd or 3rd for him at the deadline if we’ve fallen off by then.

    Agreed. If we’re out by the deadline I would trade him for sure. Wonder what it takes to resign him. His next contract could be dangerous.

  35. Pescador says:

    Lowetide: I did, but was not a good skater. I made teams at lower levels but at an early age I wasn’t playing organized sports. I played soccer longer than anything. Enjoyed all of the team sports though, I do think they’re important.

    Nice,
    You played soccer but yet somehow you’re a Tottenham fan?
    Something doesn’t add up here, 😁

  36. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    If EDMs 2019 1st rd pick was for sure about to be traded, and you had to choose between the following two options, which would you choose?

    (a) trade the pick with Lucic to move his contract
    (b) trade the pick to help in a playoff push this season

    I’d only use the first rounder if I could grab an Ehlers or other top flight forward who can help immediately. Even then I’m not sure of the idea. It would have to be a very good scoring forward.

  37. JimmyV1965 says:

    Ben: The Oilers are house-poor. But the upside of already paying full-price for their elite talent now is that inflation will start to cheapen those deals.

    Ehlers is exactly the rare kind of player I’d consider moving the 1st for–but of course that’s assuming he’d sign long-term at a palatable number.

    I suspect he’d cost more, like the 1st and KY, and that it would take $6M per to sign him. A good chunk of that space will come from the rising cap, but they’ll need more.

    So much is riding on Sekera’s future. To be entirely ruthless about it, the two best possible outcomes for the team would be 1) a return to form for the player, and 2) retirement.

    The fact that our current management has failed at BOTH talent acquisition AND cap management is not ideal.

    Ehlers is signed for $6 mill for another seven years. Very nice contract. I think the cost for Ehlers starts at a first, second and third rounder. That’s just the compensation for signing an RFA for $6 mill. I suspect this would have to be sweetened by adding a prospect or making it two first rounders.

  38. JimmyV1965 says:

    speeds:
    If EDMs 2019 1st rd pick was for sure about to be traded, and you had to choose between the following two options, which would you choose?

    (a) trade the pick with Lucic to move his contract
    (b) trade the pick to help in a playoff push this season

    Neither of these appeal to me. I only trade the pick for long term signing like Ehlers or someone similar.

  39. Scungilli Slushy says:

    who:
    Icould see Ehlers being available, if the Jets sign all of Trouba, Connor and Laine. But if it’s a salary dump for picks or prospects, the Oilers will have to dump some salary first. I don’t think they have room to just take on Ehlers.
    That Lucic contract continues to haunt us. And now Chia has addedSpooner and Manning to the pile. We are blessed.

    Please, please Mr Lucic score some goals, and find your place in the sun in winter. And keep the LA courtesy of not playing mean against your former teammates.

  40. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Jack Michaels:

    RNH-McDavid-Rattie
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Chiasson
    Spooner–Khaira-Puljujarvi
    Rieder-Brodziak-Kassian

    Nurse-Russell
    Jones-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning

    Talbot

    Love seeing Rattie back in the top line (if he’s going to play, that’s where it should be).

    Love seeing Spooner off the 4th line – not quite “top 6” but he’s not playing with untalented players – will be curious to see how that line does.

  41. Scungilli Slushy says:

    speeds:
    If EDMs 2019 1st rd pick was for sure about to be traded, and you had to choose between the following two options, which would you choose?

    (a) trade the pick with Lucic to move his contract
    (b) trade the pick to help in a playoff push this season

    Lucic, but something good has to also come back. They can move Russell, Sekera, Kassian and Spooner for cap room if that’s the goal, without hurting things too much.

    There’s no point making playoff trades unless they are also long term solutions because they don’t have the horses for a Cup this go around.

    If they did, you always go for a Cup when the chance arises, getting pretty hard to win them even with generational talent on board.

  42. DeeJay says:

    Thanks for the memories LT – they are a treasure. I grew up playing hockey on outdoor rinks in Ottawa and holy crap it snowed a lot back then! Every kid brought a shovel to help clear the ice before every game and often in between periods too! Hockey pucks shot over the boards were pretty much gone but each spring delivered a treasure trove of pucks when the snow thawed. We would all retreat to a small heated shack to warm up between periods. Of course everything would be soaking wet as we headed back outside to play and all our gear would instantly freeze. We played at night under lights with the snow often falling and thought we were the luckiest kids in the world! Team loyalties were strictly divided between Montreal and Toronto……until Bobby Orr arrived on the scene. Innocent days for sure. Cheers.

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    Go Habs (versus Avs)

    Go Wings (versus Wild)

    Go Blues (versus Stars)

  44. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Lucic, but something good has to also come back. They can move Russell, Sekera, Kassian and Spooner for cap room if that’s the goal, without hurting things too much.

    There’s no point making playoff trades unless they are also long term solutions because they don’t have the horses for a Cup this go around.

    If they did, you always go for a Cup when the chance arises, getting pretty hard to win them even with generational talent on board.

    ‘They’ meaning somebody who can actually finesse a trickier deal that helps. It does happen, just not for our team. It’s time for a different style of GM.

  45. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Jack Michaels:

    RNH-McDavid-Rattie
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Chiasson
    Spooner–Khaira-Puljujarvi
    Rieder-Brodziak-Kassian

    Nurse-Russell
    Jones-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning

    Talbot

    Love seeing Rattie back in the top line (if he’s going to play, that’s where it should be).

    Love seeing Spooner off the 4th line – not quite “top 6” but he’s not playing with untalented players – will be curious to see how that line does.

    I don’t see his tweet on this, did he delete it?

  46. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Jack Michaels:

    RNH-McDavid-Rattie
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Chiasson
    Spooner–Khaira-Puljujarvi
    Rieder-Brodziak-Kassian

    Nurse-Russell
    Jones-Larsson
    Gravel-Benning

    Talbot

    Love seeing Rattie back in the top line (if he’s going to play, that’s where it should be).

    Love seeing Spooner off the 4th line – not quite “top 6” but he’s not playing with untalented players – will be curious to see how that line does.

    I see that Reid Wilkins has it up: https://twitter.com/ReidWilkins/status/1084139889849823232

  47. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Drai with and without Looch and no McDavid on the ice from 17/18-today:

    Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 TOI
    Leon Draisaitl Milan Lucic w/o Connor McDavid 241.4
    Leon Draisaitl w/o Milan Lucic w/o Connor McDavid 684.4

    Smallish samples

    Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 CF%
    Leon Draisaitl Milan Lucic w/o Connor McDavid 48.9
    Leon Draisaitl w/o Milan Lucic w/o Connor McDavid 48.9

    CF% is identical, that’s good

    Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 GF%
    Leon Draisaitl Milan Lucic w/o Connor McDavid 32.0
    Leon Draisaitl w/o Milan Lucic w/o Connor McDavid 47.7

    Gah!!

    Let’s hope the GF% regressed to the meat tonight.

    *clapclap*

  48. Dicky94 says:

    who,

    I could actually see Laine being the one shipped out. Especially if he is asking for crazy money. I have some Jet fans for buddies and they would like to see him go if he wants to much. Say he’s going to be nothing more than a streaky goal scorer. Can’t pass , don’t back check and seems lazy. I kind of agree with them. They could get some good players for Laine.

  49. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Go Habs (versus Avs)

    Go Wings (versus Wild)

    Go Blues (versus Stars)

    Yuck,
    Could end the day lower in the standings

  50. Pescador says:

    Dicky94:
    who,

    I could actually see Laine being the one shipped out. Especially if he is asking for crazy money. I have some Jet fans for buddies and they would like to see him go if he wants to much. Say he’s going to be nothing more than a streaky goal scorer. Can’t pass , don’t back check and seems lazy.I kind of agree with them. They could get some good players for Laine.

    Lazy?

  51. teddyturnbuckle says:

    The Spooner and Manning trades are looking more and more ridiculous by the day. That’s 5,350,000 dollars of healthy scratches added for next year. Given the cap crunch before that, these new additions are unacceptable. The team gets worse after every Chiarelli trade. I would almost feel better if we had no GM and just let our new scouting staff make the draft selections in the summer.

  52. oilersfan says:

    I don’t think the Blues are out if it yet

    Only 2 games under .500 , 3 behind the oilers, and playing much better lately

  53. doritogrande says:

    I could actually see Laine being the one shipped out. Especially if he is asking for crazy money. I have some Jet fans for buddies and they would like to see him go if he wants to much. Say he’s going to be nothing more than a streaky goal scorer. Can’t pass , don’t back check and seems lazy.I kind of agree with them. They could get some good players for Laine

    Live in Winnipeg, am also hearing that Laine should be the one moved from the faithful here. This is based solely on cost, not actual hockey-playing ability or “lazy” play. He is loved here, but Winnipeggers are frugal by nature.

  54. JimmyV1965 says:

    Dicky94:
    who,

    I could actually see Laine being the one shipped out. Especially if he is asking for crazy money. I have some Jet fans for buddies and they would like to see him go if he wants to much. Say he’s going to be nothing more than a streaky goal scorer. Can’t pass , don’t back check and seems lazy.I kind of agree with them. They could get some good players for Laine.

    Picked Laine in the second round of my draft this year. Geez, he’s been real real streaky. I know +/- is a flawed stat, but he’s -12 on a team with virtually all plus players. Probably skewed though because he scores a lot on the PP. He’s an amazing player, but I would suggest the Laine-Mathews debate is dead.

  55. JimmyV1965 says:

    Laine has 3 goals in his last 20 games, plus 5 assists. He had one stretch where he scored 11 goals in four games.

  56. SwedishPoster says:

    For forward depth with a chance to score it’s also worth exploring the euro free agent route. Toronto did very well in getting Pär Lindholm this summer, he’s done well in his small role and looks like he could be useful in a bigger role as well.
    No forward in that age bracket currently in the SHL who looks as good as he did last year but there are a couple of guys in their mid-twenties who are playing well enough in both the SHL and international games to be worth looking into. Don’t have time to do a proper write up but three guys that come to mind are Jakob Lilja, Anton Wedin and Joel Kellman. All two way guys with some offense, none of them sure bets to be anything beyond tweeners but all of them have shown enough to make me think they could do well as bottom/middle sixers and be an upgrade on our current staff. And they would only cost a fairly cheap contract. Low risk moves that could help.

  57. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    JimmyV1965: Picked Laine in the second round of my draft this year. Geez, he’s been real real streaky. I know +/- is a flawed stat, but he’s -12 on a team with virtually all plus players. Probably skewed though because he scores a lot on the PP. He’s an amazing player, but I would suggest the Laine-Mathews debate is dead.

    WPG is the most top heavy team among the contenders which is why I don’t have them getting past NSH (mind you I had the same thing last year……)

    WPG 5v5 GF%
    Scheifele On 61.7%
    Scheifele Off 45.5%

  58. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Hahahhahahhaha, LT – Love that Eberle troll. A lot of people would absolutely lose it if he came back.

    Jettisoning Lucic and Sekera is the dream. At this point, if it cost resources to get that done, I think you still do it short of a second round pick. Lucic + 3nd for future considerations 😉 I know even that is a stretch…

    Ehlers would be amazing alongside McPrecious.

    Given the record that’s needed to get this team to 90 pts, any favourable projection seems like a big stretch. As much as I appreciate OP’s optimism, I just can’t see this group doing that without Klefbom coming back in the next week. Furthermore, watching this team sans Klef is rough. There’s just something infantile about the team that PC has put together. He’s preached puck-moving D, hasn’t added it. He’s ignored the speed of the new NHL. He’s bled value in all of his big trades. He’s maintained narratives as cover for his mistakes. I don’t know a manager in any other industry that gets away with such ineptitude.

    The blunders and ails are plain sights. We need an adult to step in and make adult decisions.

  59. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Dave Bolland had 3 more years at $5.5M when Florida dumped him off on Arizona. Florida included their 11th overall pick from the previous draft (Crouse), and got a 3rd rounder back.

    Lucic dump probably includes at the very least Yamamoto needing to be stapled to him for a bag of pucks.

  60. Admiral Ackbar says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    The Spooner and Manning trades are looking more and more ridiculous by the day.That’s 5,350,000 dollars of healthy scratches added for next year. Given the cap crunch before that, these new additions are unacceptable.The team gets worse after every Chiarelli trade.I would almost feel better if we had no GM and just let our new scouting staff make the draft selections in the summer.

    That’s actually an interesting proposal. Is PC worse than useless? I’d love to know what would have been done without a GM for the past 3 years. What would a team do without a GM and simply delegate to pro-scouts, amature-scouts, coach, etc…

  61. Admiral Ackbar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Dave Bolland had 3 more years at $5.5M when Florida dumped him off on Arizona. Florida included their 11th overall pick from the previous draft (Crouse), and got a 3rd rounder back.

    Lucic dump probably includes at the very least Yamamoto needing to be stapled to him for a bag of pucks.

    Yikes. That’s an expensive ticket out of town. If it were Benson, is that worth it? The cost of dead weight seems like it could be….

  62. drglen says:

    Interesting line up. glad to see rattie get push.

    rieder and spooner ride the pine after the first period at which time Hitch sends out his ‘actual’ lineup.

  63. Gret99zky says:

    Hmmm, you’re plan moving forward seems very reasonable, LT.

    Far too reasonable for this organization to subscribe.

    So, we should expect a high priced Free Agent and a healthy dose of un-bonifide rookies on the starting roster next season.

    I expect the 2019 first round pick will be moved shortly for whoever can fit under the cap.

  64. jtblack says:

    SwedishPoster:
    For forward depth with a chance to score it’s also worth exploring the euro free agent route. Toronto did very well in getting Pär Lindholm this summer, he’s done well in his small role and looks like he could be useful in a bigger role as well.
    No forward in that age bracket currently in the SHL who looks as good as he did last year but there are a couple of guys in their mid-twenties who are playing well enough in both the SHL and international games to be worth looking into. Don’t have time to do a proper write up but three guys that come to mind are Jakob Lilja, Anton Wedin and Joel Kellman. All two way guys with some offense, none of them sure bets to be anything beyond tweeners but all of them have shown enough to make me think they could do well as bottom/middle sixers and be an upgrade on our current staff. And they would only cost a fairly cheap contract. Low risk moves that could help.

    Interesting stuff. thx

  65. jtblack says:

    BOLD PREDICTION.

    OILERS 6 COYOTES 3

    McDavid 4 point effort. Nurse stays hot. Rattie with 1.

    Let’s Go Oilers

  66. --hudson-- says:

    SwedishPoster,

    If you have time, what are your thoughts on Linus Olund the Pens draft pick playing in the AHL. By the numbers he looks like another Rasmus Asplund but several scouting reports only see him as a 3rd or 4th liner.

    Do you think he could be a top 6 guy in the NHL?

  67. drglen says:

    jtblack:
    BOLD PREDICTION.

    OILERS 6 COYOTES 3

    McDavid 4 point effort. Nurse stays hot. Rattie with 1.

    Let’s Go Oilers

    3-1 oilers empty net. Kyle and Chaisson, and Leon gets empty net.

  68. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0: WPG is the most top heavy team among the contenders which is why I don’t have them getting past NSH (mind you I had the same thing last year……)

    WPG 5v5 GF%
    Scheifele On 61.7%
    Scheifele Off 45.5%

    What’s Wheeler? similiar??

    If only Edm could hit 45.5% McD off ….

  69. Munny says:

    Twice this weekend the Flames will get teams on the second half of a back-to-back… after the visitors play us first.

  70. who says:

    Dicky94:
    who,

    I could actually see Laine being the one shipped out. Especially if he is asking for crazy money. I have some Jet fans for buddies and they would like to see him go if he wants to much. Say he’s going to be nothing more than a streaky goal scorer. Can’t pass , don’t back check and seems lazy.I kind of agree with them. They could get some good players for Laine.

    You know what. If Laine wants 10 million I think they should trade him. But then they probably should have walked away from Wheeler at 8.25 as well. The Jets are definitely heading for a cap crunch.

  71. --hudson-- says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I see that Reid Wilkins has it up: https://twitter.com/ReidWilkins/status/1084139889849823232

    Curious on the how and why Hitch decides to mix up his lines. It seems the configuration depends on the opponent.

  72. who says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Dave Bolland had 3 more years at $5.5M when Florida dumped him off on Arizona. Florida included their 11th overall pick from the previous draft (Crouse), and got a 3rd rounder back.

    Lucic dump probably includes at the very least Yamamoto needing to be stapled to him for a bag of pucks.

    I would trade Lucic and Yamamoto for a 7th round pick right now.
    Or maybe Lucic with 3 million retained and a 2nd round pick.

  73. jtblack says:

    Munny:
    Twice this weekend the Flames will get teams on the second half of a back-to-back… after the visitors play us first.

    i Hate the FLAMES. Oh, was that out Loud.

  74. jp says:

    LT, wonderful post.

    And also a question for you or anyone else. Just curious how a buyout of someone like Spooner, with salary retained by another team, works.

    Would the Rangers get stuck with their portion of a buyout for 4 yrs instead of the 2x900k he’s currently owed? Or does Spooner get the 2x900k from the Rangers regardless, and the Oilers can choose to buy out their 2×3.1M in isolation? Or other?

  75. --hudson-- says:

    Controversial article in the Athletic from the Vancouver writers regarding Chayka. Scroll way down.

    The Athletties: Baertschi’s revival, Little Things letdown, Guddy trade ideas and a Chayka takedown
    https://theathletic.com/761338/2019/01/11/the-athletties-baertschis-revival-little-things-letdown-guddy-trade-ideas-and-a-chayka-takedown/

    Meghan Chayka came out guns blazing on Twitter
    https://twitter.com/botchford/status/1083643182347210752?s=21

  76. ArmchairGM says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Dave Bolland had 3 more years at $5.5M when Florida dumped him off on Arizona. Florida included their 11th overall pick from the previous draft (Crouse), and got a 3rd rounder back.

    Lucic dump probably includes at the very least Yamamoto needing to be stapled to him for a bag of pucks.

    Retention should lessen the asset cost. Bolland was owed $16.5M, as of July 2nd Lucic will be owed $16M. Max retention (50%) means $8M over 4 years for both teams, so the asset cost for the Oilers should be much less. Also, Lucic is still an NHL player, Bolland was not.

  77. Bling says:

    Great post, LT.

    I really like that third line. Khaira and Spooner are decent to good even strength scorers (historically), and JP is rounding into one under Hitch.

    I’d prefer to see Rieder with his speed up with Leon and Chiasson, maybe that’s a switch we see as the game unfolds.

  78. McSorley33 says:

    One of best parts of being an Oilers fan?

    This place. Because of our host….love the strolls down memory lane.

    Draft and develop. It’s the only way in a cap league.

    I have a feeling about Rieder tonight…..

  79. Bling says:

    –hudson–:
    Controversial article in the Athletic from the Vancouver writers regarding Chayka.Scroll way down.

    The Athletties: Baertschi’s revival, Little Things letdown, Guddy trade ideas and a Chayka takedown
    https://theathletic.com/761338/2019/01/11/the-athletties-baertschis-revival-little-things-letdown-guddy-trade-ideas-and-a-chayka-takedown/

    Meghan Chayka came out guns blazing on Twitter
    https://twitter.com/botchford/status/1083643182347210752?s=21

    This is some juicy stuff!

    Pretty epic take down of Chayka. I kept thinking it was going to end…nope it just keeps going.

    As Oiler fans, we complain about Chia’s trades, and granted they are pure garbage.

    But there have been some other real one-sided trades, i.e. Hamilton for Hanifin/Lindholm, Domi for Galchenyuk, Schmaltz for Strome, etc. How about Panarin for Saad? That has to be one of the dumbest trades of the past 5 years, and nobody even talks about that any more.

  80. Ryan says:

    jp:
    LT, wonderful post.

    And also a question for you or anyone else. Just curious how a buyout of someone like Spooner, with salary retained by another team, works.

    Would the Rangers get stuck with their portion of a buyout for 4 yrs instead of the 2x900k he’s currently owed? Or does Spooner get the 2x900k from the Rangers regardless, and the Oilers can choose to buy out their 2×3.1M in isolation? Or other?

    https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/ryan-spooner/2019-06-15

    Retained Salary
    This contract was involved in a retained salary transaction. The resulting costs and cap hit are therefore split between each team based on the percentage of salary retained by the respective teams.
    New York Rangers: 23%

  81. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    Don’t forget the looming lockout. Odds are this team is building for 2 seasons from now.

    Lucic with small throwin either has value to salary floor teams… or will be bought out.

    I want this team to make the playoffs but the smart move with the strength of the draft and lockout is to trade a goalie and convert end of roster d men to picks.

  82. Rube Foster says:

    ArmchairGM: Retention should lessen the asset cost. Bolland was owed $16.5M, as of July 2nd Lucic will be owed $16M. Max retention (50%) means $8M over 4 years for both teams, so the asset cost for the Oilers should be much less. Also, Lucic is still an NHL player, Bolland was not.

    Sincere question, and honest, I’m not trying to be a dick, but, Is Milan Lucic really an NHL Hockey Player?

    A little while back Willis demonstrated that the fancies show that Milan Lucic is preforming at a NHL replacement level player rating. Bruce and Staples post-game performance player ratings consistently demonstrate that Milan Lucic does not contribute to winning NHL Hockey games. The evidence by eye and by numbers is substantial and conclusive.

    I’ve been trolled before by Hitch’s pregame line-ups, so I won’t fall for the bait and lose my shit over Lucic being on second line with Leon… this time. But seriously folks, Lucic’s time as a productive NHL hockey player appear to be over and the reality is, this is not a new development.

  83. Woogie63 says:

    To help the conveyor belt. Would it make sense to move the Bakersfield team to Edmonton? The Condors are not lighting it up for attendance nor ticket revenue per game.

    It would be a long list of advantages for the AHL team to be in Edmonton. With incremental cost and more travel as the only negatives.

    If the Oilers moved the Oil Kings you could assume their 6,677 fans would support the AHL that would 2000 additional AHL fans per night @$28 over a season that is about $4M in revenue, which would pay for all the addition travel costs. Winnipeg currently support a NHL and AHL franchise. But you lose the Oil King revenue.

    Or

    Could Edmonton support 3 hockey teams. The Red Deer Rebel are an excellent franchise and they average 3,964 fans a night. So the Oil King would still be considered successful with 2000 less fans a night.

    OEG would have another 45 night of entertainment for its building and all those fixed costs.

    Attendance/Ringside ticket

    Oilers 18,347@$190=$3,485,930
    Oil Kings 6,677 @$24 = $160,284
    Condors 4,782 @$28 = $133,896

    Moose 4,574@$34=$155,516
    Rebel 3,964@$24 =$95,136

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reminder that the London/Ottawa game is starting on SN1 – in addition to getting to see Bouchard (and some other top prospects), its a battle of the top team in each conference.

  85. Pescador says:

    Bling: This is some juicy stuff!

    Pretty epic take down of Chayka. I kept thinking it was going to end…nope it just keeps going.

    As Oiler fans, we complain about Chia’s trades, and granted they are pure garbage.

    But there have been some other real one-sided trades, i.e. Hamilton for Hanifin/Lindholm, Domi for Galchenyuk, Schmaltz for Strome, etc. How about Panarin for Saad? That has to be one of the dumbest trades of the past 5 years, and nobody even talks about that any more.

    Pretty sure Blackhawks fans are still bemoaning that trade.
    You’re point is well taken though

  86. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Bling,

    To be fair, I think the Reinhart trade is worse than all those trades (and the worst trade Chia has made as Oilers GM). Although Saad for Panarin is close.

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Knights take two early penalties and Evan Bouchard is the one d-man out there killing the long 5 on 3 – no goal scored.

    I’ll have to look – wasn’t aware he was on the top PK unit.

  88. Pescador says:

    SwedishPoster:
    For forward depth with a chance to score it’s also worth exploring the euro free agent route. Toronto did very well in getting Pär Lindholm this summer, he’s done well in his small role and looks like he could be useful in a bigger role as well.
    No forward in that age bracket currently in the SHL who looks as good as he did last year but there are a couple of guys in their mid-twenties who are playing well enough in both the SHL and international games to be worth looking into. Don’t have time to do a proper write up but three guys that come to mind are Jakob Lilja, Anton Wedin and Joel Kellman. All two way guys with some offense, none of them sure bets to be anything beyond tweeners but all of them have shown enough to make me think they could do well as bottom/middle sixers and be an upgrade on our current staff. And they would only cost a fairly cheap contract. Low risk moves that could help.

    Dammit Swedish!!
    Why can’t you be the Oilers European scout?

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard rings one off the cross-bar.

    Another one of those shots that seem to be a primary part of his game – absolutely standing still at the blue line – wind-up, bomb.

    Just not sure he’ll have anywhere near that amount of time at the NHL level.

    I’d like to see quicker shots by Bouchard (I know has that skill too) but more one-timers.

  90. jp says:

    Ryan: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/ryan-spooner/2019-06-15

    Retained Salary
    This contract was involved in a retained salary transaction. The resulting costs and cap hit are therefore split between each team based on the percentage of salary retained by the respective teams.
    New York Rangers: 23%

    Cool, thanks.

    That could certainly mess with your plans after thinking you’d unloaded a problem contract (like if Pou were traded with retention rather than bought out, or if Lucic is moved with $$ retained)

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard with an assist on the PP – a quick cross-blueline pass to Boquist who made the primary set up.

    Bouchard then with a nice rush on the next shift and DiPietro with a nice save.

    Bouch is all over this game in the first 6 minutes.

    Plus plays in all 3 situations so far.

  92. Jethro Tull says:

    Pescador: Dammit Swedish!!
    Why can’t you be the Oilers European scout?

    Doesn’t drink red wine.

  93. stephen sheps says:

    Привет,

    it is time for the latest edition of the weekly Yak. I’ve been busy with things and not able to provide weekly updates like I promised. Instead we have a holiday catch-up edition.

    Since my last report before the holidays, SKA has played 7 games, winning all 7 and not allowing a goal in their last 2. Must be nice to win so consistently, a feeling my adopted son sadly never experienced as a pro until now. Yak played in all 7 games, scoring 5G-2A-7P over that span, including 2 multi-point outings.

    Yak’s season total is now 32GP, 16-7-23, comfortably in 2nd place on his team in goals to the unheralded Nikolay Prokhorkin, who is having a career season. Go Yak! And I am pleased coach has listened to me and given my son a regular shift.

    Belov Bonus:

    Anton has added 1 more goal over 4 more games since my last report, giving him 3 goals and 10 points on the year.

    My other brother Anton (Bonus Bonus):

    Lander is still recovering from his injury sustained before Xmas. No new information has been made available (in English at least), but he has resumed non-contact skating with his team.

    End Transmission

    Прощай

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard with a poor decision at the offensive blueline on a PP and a clear cut 2 on 1 the other way – no goal though.

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hmmmm, where can one find TOI stats for the OHL?

    Neither OHL.com or prospect stats seem to have it.

  96. Rube Foster says:

    Btw, Glorious Post this morning LT.

    Winter on the Canadian Prairie, Hockey and Saturday night games on TV are the woven fabric of a common experience shared by many of us. An experience that though very different today, still sustains us as a Winter enduring, Hockey loving country. Thank you for the validation and that reminder.

    A modern version of Juha Widing, Frank St. Marseilles and Bill Goldsworthy would be the perfect antidote to all of our current Oiler woes. Under the radar exceptional forwards who produced consistent and occasionally spectacular results.

    As a kid collecting Hockey cards, I swear to Gord that every third pack I opened contained a Frank St. Marseilles! He always had fabulous sideburns but was near impossible to trade, no wanted any Blues not named Unger or Berenson:)

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    Seems Bouchard is firmly PK1.

  98. Wonder Llama says:

    And this is why Lowetide is the best hockey blog on our llittle blue planet.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    There is a one-timer by Bouchard – a bomb that led to a big rebound – no goal.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard just played the entire 2 minutes on that PP (although they had nothing going on for the last 30 seconds)

  101. Pescador says:

    Jethro Tull: Doesn’t drink red wine.

    I see,
    Chiarelli transactions have me seeing Red,
    No need to climb to the Summit for whine,

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    “As much as you’re upset about wasting another year of Connor McDavid, a poor move now that brings in expensive veterans in exchange for picks and prospects could turn four unproductive McDavid seasons into eight. This is damned serious”.

    This is well put and this is the massive risk I think management would take if they are looking to “fast track” an improvement – I hope there is a realism that, without doing anything, the cap crunch alleviates within a few years and the entire core of this team will be in its prime and current prospects will be available for value contracts.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I see that Reid Wilkins has it up: https://twitter.com/ReidWilkins/status/1084139889849823232

    Ooops, I may have wrote Jack but meant Reid….

    I don’t sleep enough.

  104. 106 and 106 says:

    30th in NHL defensemen scoring: Darnell Nurse.

    Ahead of Ekblad, Trouba and P.K.

    At 12th — Jeff Petry. [1RD – MTL]

    “At the end of last year I felt strongly that we had to challenge Jeff on a one-year deal. I didn’t like where his game was going. I didn’t like the urgency in his game and the decisiveness in his game and I thought it was important that we challenge him on a one-year deal.”

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    teddyturnbuckle: WOOD

    The Spooner trade “could” provide exactly what it was supposed to if the coach would allow the player an opportunity to play with offensive players.

    Today is a step in the right direction – a move from the 4th line to the 3rd line – although I’m not so sure the mix is great on that third line – no “primary” player.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Admiral Ackbar:
    Hahahhahahhaha, LT – Love that Eberle troll. A lot of people would absolutely lose it if he came back.

    Jettisoning Lucic and Sekera is the dream. At this point, if it cost resources to get that done, I think you still do it short of a second round pick. Lucic + 3nd for future considerations I know even that is a stretch…

    Ehlers would be amazing alongside McPrecious.

    Given the record that’s needed to get this team to 90 pts, any favourable projection seems like a big stretch. As much as I appreciate OP’s optimism, I just can’t see this group doing that without Klefbom coming back in the next week. Furthermore, watching this team sans Klef is rough. There’s just something infantile about the team that PC has put together. He’s preached puck-moving D, hasn’t added it. He’s ignored the speed of the new NHL. He’s bled value in all of his big trades. He’s maintained narratives as cover for his mistakes. I don’t know a manager in any other industry that gets away with such ineptitude.

    The blunders and ails are plain sights. We need an adult to step in and make adult decisions.

    My dream is not to jettison Sekera but welcome him back to the 2nd pairing of this team and for him to be a solid 2nd pairing guy – he was an elite second pairing guy so my dream takes in to account him not being 100% “Reggie”.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    Twice this weekend the Flames will get teams on the second half of a back-to-back… after the visitors play us first.

    Yup – if i recall correctly – the Oilers got quite a few of the back-ends earlier in the season.

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bling:
    Great post, LT.

    I really like that third line. Khaira and Spooner are decent to good even strength scorers (historically), and JP is rounding into one under Hitch.

    I’d prefer to see Rieder with his speed up with Leon and Chiasson, maybe that’s a switch we see as the game unfolds.

    THe main change I would make to the lineup is flipping Rieder and Lucic.

    Lucic is actually playing better at 5 on 5 than Rieder right now but:

    Rider/Drai/Chiasson – 110 minutes, 5 goals scored, 1 goal against.

    “Identity Line” had some moments earlier.

    Unfortunately, I see the in-game change, if required, to include Chiasson moving to the 1st line – Hitch’s interview today talked about “the four” – McDavid, Drai, Nuge, Chiasson.

    One of these things is not like the other.

    Chiasson on the top line does not work.

    Chiasson on PP1 does work.

  109. Gret99zky says:

    Are signing bonuses the root cause of the next lockout?

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    till_horcoff_is_coach:
    Don’t forget the looming lockout. Odds are this team is building for 2 seasons from now.

    Lucic with small throwineither has value to salary floor teams… or will be bought out.

    I want this team to make the playoffs but the smart move with the strength of the draft and lockout is to trade a goalie and convert end of roster d men to picks.

    I am cautiously optimistic that the new CBA will be agreed to without labor stoppage.

    I think both the league and the players are motivated to get it done, they are meeting early (already have) and I don’t believe the major issues are as contentious as previous negotiations.

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    I see Lucic getting two more goals and 3 points prior to the 2019 all-star break.

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    stephen sheps:
    Привет,

    it is time for the latest edition of the weekly Yak. I’ve been busy with things and not able to provide weekly updates like I promised. Instead we have a holiday catch-up edition.

    Since my last report before the holidays, SKA has played 7 games, winning all 7 and not allowing a goal in their last 2. Must be nice to win so consistently, a feeling my adopted son sadly never experienced as a pro until now. Yak played in all 7 games, scoring 5G-2A-7P over that span, including 2 multi-point outings.

    Yak’s season total is now 32GP, 16-7-23, comfortably in 2nd place on his team in goals to the unheralded Nikolay Prokhorkin, who is having a career season. Go Yak! And I am pleased coach has listened to me and given my son a regular shift.

    Belov Bonus:

    Anton has added 1 more goal over 4 more games since my last report, giving him 3 goals and 10 points on the year.

    My other brother Anton (Bonus Bonus):

    Lander is still recovering from his injury sustained before Xmas. No new information has been made available (in English at least), but he has resumed non-contact skating with his team.

    End Transmission

    Прощай

    I think we will see Yak get another NHL contract in the coming years.

    I believe he would like to come back – he was always focused on the NHL.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gret99zky:
    Are signing bonuses the root cause of the next lockout?

    Limiting signing bonuses and, perhaps, contract length (5-6 years) will be material issues in the next negotiations – they can be resolved without the need for labor stoppage.

  114. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I see Lucic getting two more goals and 3 points prior to the all-star break.

    Is there 78 games between now & the next all star break?

  115. Ryan says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Off topic.

    I always wondered what happened with Erik Gustafsson? Did you or anyone ever hear anything about why he never signed a contract with the Oilers?

  116. Pescador says:

    Gret99zky:
    Are signing bonuses the root cause of the next lockout?

    Massive post-ELC contracts.
    Lockouts are required to fix the problems that GM’s create

  117. Henry says:

    speeds:
    If EDMs 2019 1st rd pick was for sure about to be traded, and you had to choose between the following two options, which would you choose?

    (a) trade the pick with Lucic to move his contract
    (b) trade the pick to help in a playoff push this season

    The Rangers are rebuilding and rich. Would they trade Kreider who has one year left before UFA for Lucic and the first if the Oilers retained some cap hit? Kreider has a NTC excepting 11 teams. Perhaps he would waive for a shot at a season and a half next to 97. The Oilers mortgage some future, but get an effective winger that may sign again.

  118. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Dave Bolland had 3 more years at $5.5M when Florida dumped him off on Arizona. Florida included their 11th overall pick from the previous draft (Crouse), and got a 3rd rounder back.

    Lucic dump probably includes at the very least Yamamoto needing to be stapled to him for a bag of pucks.

    Keep in mind that Bolland was already on LTIR so ARI didn’t have to pay a dime, just cap space.

    Looch will need to be paid real money.

    You’ll have to retain $3MM/yr and add some assets to move him.

    I think it could be done though.

    More than one GM would be interested in a $3MM Looch.

  119. Gret99zky says:

    Pescador:
    Lockouts are required to fix the problems that GM’s create

    So, same as it ever was.

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard with an end to end rush but a Darnell Nurse like muffin play once in the offensive zone…….

  121. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack:
    BOLD PREDICTION.

    OILERS 6 COYOTES 3

    McDavid 4 point effort. Nurse stays hot. Rattie with 1.

    Let’s Go Oilers

    4-3 EDM

    Looch with the winner.

    If you’re gonna predict, go BOLD!

    *clapclap*

  122. Geranium Lover says:

    stephen sheps,

    Thank you Stephen, glad to see Yak doing well!

  123. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack: What’s Wheeler? similiar??

    If only Edm could hit 45.5% McD off ….

    He plays with Scheifiele

  124. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny:
    Twice this weekend the Flames will get teams on the second half of a back-to-back… after the visitors play us first.

    EDM gets the good side of teams on B2B compared to CGY for the whole season this year.

  125. Pescador says:

    106 and 106:
    30th in NHL defensemen scoring: Darnell Nurse.

    Ahead of Ekblad, Trouba and P.K.

    At 12th — Jeff Petry. [1RD – MTL]

    “At the end of last year I felt strongly that we had to challenge Jeff on a one-year deal. I didn’t like where his game was going. I didn’t like the urgency in his game and the decisiveness in his game and I thought it was important that we challenge him on a one-year deal.”

    I always interpreted that quote as Petry was not interested in signing anything more than that 1 year contract. As he was going to leave as a free agent regardless
    Edmonton was in the middle of a never ending rebuild, the team was terrible. Different coach every year.
    Who could blame him honestly?
    MacT released that statement to save face, smart if true because everyone bought it.
    Everyone except Detective Pescadero

  126. Craig Zonit says:

    stephen sheps,

    Simply wonderful.

    Wonder what Zach Pochiro’s up to these days…

  127. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: Retention should lessen the asset cost. Bolland was owed $16.5M, as of July 2nd Lucic will be owed $16M. Max retention (50%) means $8M over 4 years for both teams, so the asset cost for the Oilers should be much less. Also, Lucic is still an NHL player, Bolland was not.

    Bolland was LTIR and the insurance company was paying his salary, not ARI.

    That’s important when comparing the deal to Looch, who will still be owed money by the team that acquires him.

  128. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Chia traded away Eddie Pasqualie to TBY and Greg Chase to ARI, both for future considerations. Anyone know if anything ever materialized from those trades?

  129. lynn says:

    Craig Zonit:
    stephen sheps,

    Simply wonderful.

    Wonder what Zach Pochiro’s up to these days…

    Still playing hockey in the ECHL with the Allen Americans–37 points in 34 games on a weak team.

    You have to love his love for hockey.

    https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/121909/zach-pochiro

  130. stephen sheps says:

    Ryan:
    SwedishPoster,

    Off topic.

    I always wondered what happened with Erik Gustafsson? Did you or anyone ever hear anything about why he never signed a contract with the Oilers?

    He’s playing heavy minutes with the blackhawks this season after being a mostly 3rd pairing/top AHL call-up the last couple years. He’s averaging more than 22 minutes a night and has 8 goals & 27 points on the year. He’s also on my fantasy team and has proved to be quite useful given the rash of injuries I’ve dealt with. It’s nice to see him coming into his own. I wish I knew why he was flushed, but he never played a game in North America until he joined the Chicago organization. They’ve slow-played him quite effectively and now he seems like a bona fide 2nd pair D.

  131. Dustylegnd says:

    Paulie:

    My favorite nugget from the interview: “Ideally in your top six, you’d like to have six top-six players,” Chiarelli said. “But sometimes you can’t.

    Who does Pete think he is fooling, he is lying to himself and he is lying to the fans. He has absolutley butchered this team and continues to put out fire with gasoline (Spooner, Manning) he absolutely can not be trusted to make a major trade and management must know this, yet they continue to employ a wounded animal, and there is nothing on this planet more dangerous than a wounded animal.

    If Katz is demanding the Oil make the playoffs this year, I don’t follow his logic, clearly he must want the playoffs for his own selfish reasons because clearly the fans would prefer a deep team capable of winning for years, rather than a shallow crew who can limp into the playoffs and quickly lose in the 1st round.

    Dom Luszczyszyn playoff probabilities as of this am 29% Anaheim 51% Trading a 1st round pick for scoring help is pure folly, this team is deeply flawed….but the Oil gonna Oil

    The prospect of Chia having approval to trade a 1st rounder for immediate help is terrifying and will set this team back another 5 years.

    More and more it is starting to look like Puljujarvi will not turn the corner to become even a 20 goal scorer and 60 point guy, and we have no idea what we have in Yamamoto (in defence of the scouts the 2017 draft looks like a shit year devoid of offensive difference makers)….same as it ever was….we can not afford to have these players miss

    Trading away 16 and 33 in a deep deep deep 2015 draft broke us, its just crippling…..and it will be the reason McDavid becomes the new Taveres when he leaves for Unrestricted free agency in 2026

    LT, your instincts rarely let us down, and if the scenario you have described unfolds, I am very very scared for the future of this team. I just don’t see how anything will ever change for the better to the extent Chia et el stay in place. If they dish the 1st for a 20 goal guy, its over for the next 5 years

    29% playoff probability sitting 1 point back of Anaheim 51% and 2 points back of Minnesota 72% makes me wonder about Dom’s model, but if I had to bet I don’t see this team making the playoffs.

    Be worried….be very worried about a wounded Chiarelli trying to force this team into the playoffs

  132. Rube Foster says:

    OriginalPouzar: The Spooner trade “could” provide exactly what it was supposed to if the coach would allow the player an opportunity to play with offensive players.

    Today is a step in the right direction – a move from the 4th line to the 3rd line – although I’m not so sure the mix is great on that third line – no “primary” player.

    OP I love your optimism. I do, this place is better off for it, sincerely.

    I’m not seeing the same things you must be seeing in Spooner. Spooner has been given some time with skill and has done next to nothing, that’s not just what I’ve seen, lots of folks around here have the same opinion and apparently so does Hitch.

    Spooner looks like a future KHLer form here, past results be damned. The NHL is a results oriented business and like Lucic and too many others on this roster Spooner has proven that this year he can not produce offense whether that be with skill players or with dregs.

    The madness was moving Strome along before giving him a quality chance on McDavid’s wing. That’s what makes so little sense about the trade. The fact that Strome was also provideing quality low event minutes as a 3C also makes him an ideal “Hitch type of player”.

    Essentially we traded a somewhat useful player for a more expensive player that has been a healthy scratch far to often.

    What Hitch could’ve done with Strome we’ll never know? We have lots of evidence of what Hitch has done with Spooner and it doesn’t add up to a hill of beans.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard with a phenomenal pass off the rush to set up a tap-in goal – beautiful play

  134. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    stephen sheps,

    Thanks Stephen!!

  135. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Had a thought the other day after posting my short list of potential GM candidates, and he could be exactly what this organization needs right now.

    Ron Hextall.

    Got fired for being too firm with his plan, which appeared to be equal parts draft and develop and get good players, keep good players. Only two NMC to top players, no absolute stinker trades (did a phenomenal job getting Gudas+ from TBY, Pronger off the books to clear cap, trading up with TOR for Konecny, etc).

    It would appear his biggest contract blunders were the MacDonald and Weise contracts? Considering PHI has over $8MM in cap space, they hardly crippled the franchise. His biggest sin as GM? Not signing a quality goalie until Carter Hart is ready to assume the starters role.

    This seems like a GM who has the chops to build a team to contend in the modern era. Young, skilled, a little salty and most importantly — cheap.

    And if he’s still anything like his playing days, he can stand up for himself to the likes of Lowe and MacT (and the rest of the BotB).

    So yeah, I’m going to add Hextall to my GM short list: Hextall, Futa, and McCrimmon.

    Thoughts?

    *disclaimer: I don’t watch a lot of PHI so I’m not entirely sure how much of their season’s woes is on Hextall or lack of goalie or coaching, injuries, etc.

  136. SwedishPoster says:

    Ryan:
    SwedishPoster,

    Off topic.

    I always wondered what happened with Erik Gustafsson? Did you or anyone ever hear anything about why he never signed a contract with the Oilers?

    From what I’ve understood the Oil let him go because they didn’t like his defense. It was strange timing to me. I wasn’t that big of a fan of the pick to start but the season before they let him go he’d finally started to look like a player and I was warming up to him. So I was surprised they didn’t sign him.

    –hudson–:
    SwedishPoster,

    If you have time, what are your thoughts on Linus Olund the Pens draft pick playing in the AHL.By the numbers he looks like another Rasmus Asplund but several scouting reports only see him as a 3rd or 4th liner.

    Do you think he could be a top 6 guy in the NHL?

    I doubt he’s top six quality, if things break right he could be a third liner, pretty good playmaker, fairly smart defensively but tbh the most likely outcome is that he’s a tweener for a few years and then enjoys a strong career in europe. Don’t think he’s dynamic enough nor has that real edge in his skillset to make him an efficient NHL player. I think his playmaking and fairly wellrounded game will make him a star in one of the top euro leagues though. So the short answer is no.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard adds a third assist on an empty net goal but it was actually a plus play by Bouchard in the defensive zone shorthanded – made a move and got tripped exiting the zone and Foudy took the puck with a ton of open ice and scored the empty netter.

  138. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pescador: I always interpreted that quote as Petry was not interested in signing anything more than that 1 year contract. As he was going to leave as a free agent regardless
    Edmonton was in the middle of a never ending rebuild, the team was terrible. Different coach every year.
    Who could blame him honestly?
    MacT released that statement to save face, smart if true because everyone bought it.
    Everyone except Detective Pescadero

    Petry is on record being surprised that he wasn’t offered a long term contract. (I’ll try to dig it up)

    Strudwick is on record saying he’s never seen an organization treat a good player (Petry) so poorly.

  139. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I grew up in Yellowknife. Your relationship with winter is a wonderful thing that you touch on often.

    – 9 times out of 10 The first thing people say when they find out I’m from YK is “wow it must have been cold there”. As a northerner kid though while we were well aware of the real danger of minus 50 weather and respected it we also were well prepared and spent a lot of time outside in the winter with our moon boots (or mukluks which are the best in big snow) balaclava those white arctic military mitts with fur on one side and gloves inside snow pants parka etc. Getting dressed for school or recess was a serious production.

    – we never as kids complained about the “cold”. It was just omni-present but we played outdoor hockey cross country skied made our versions of igloos (the snow was so easy to make into squares), ice fished etc. Our parents though got this thing they called “cabin fever” but we figured it must be some mysterious disease that only grownups get.

    – Now I’m a southern Ontario boy and today at our posh ski hill as only southern Ontario does on the lift one of the ladies on the chair said “I feel sorry for those people who dread winter”. Of course I told her I was from Yellowknife and she was the 1 in 10 who said “wow you must have done so much in the winter…!”Thanks for reminding of those winters LT and great timing.

    GOILERS. 110 PERCENT BOARDS HEART TEAM EFFORT GRIND FEEL IT EXECUTION

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    That was a fun game to watch between two very good teams.

    Bouchard was very good in all areas of the game and all zones of the ice – one bad decision leading to a 2 on 1 against but he played big PK minutes, made a number of rushes up the ice, made a few fantastic passes and put up 3 points.

  141. Scungilli Slushy says:

    –hudson–:
    Controversial article in the Athletic from the Vancouver writers regarding Chayka.Scroll way down.

    The Athletties: Baertschi’s revival, Little Things letdown, Guddy trade ideas and a Chayka takedown
    https://theathletic.com/761338/2019/01/11/the-athletties-baertschis-revival-little-things-letdown-guddy-trade-ideas-and-a-chayka-takedown/

    Meghan Chayka came out guns blazing on Twitter
    https://twitter.com/botchford/status/1083643182347210752?s=21

    I commented in the past when Chayka was lauded in these parts that wasn’t convinced.

    Smartest man in the room syndrome. There is no circumventing being in the trenches, ‘hairy ass’ is a LT truism.

    No contacts, no experience really in hockey or role at the pinnacle level. Unsurprisingly you can’t just stat your way to success. They are crucial but like the focusing knob on the microscope. You have to get the sample and aim it first.

    And know what you’re looking at.

  142. godot10 says:

    speeds:
    If EDMs 2019 1st rd pick was for sure about to be traded, and you had to choose between the following two options, which would you choose?

    (a) trade the pick with Lucic to move his contract
    (b) trade the pick to help in a playoff push this season

    I’m not trading the pick. Lucic can sit in the pressbox and practice. It is lunacy to trade a 1st round pick to try to make the playoffs. If one is contender looking for the final piece of the puzzle, then and only them.

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: Is there 78 games between now & the next all star break?

    Milan is getting hot….

  144. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965: Agreed. If we’re out by the deadline I would trade him for sure. Wonder what it takes to resign him. His next contract could be dangerous.

    It isn’t dangerous. Two years max. $1.8 million per season max. Not dangerous at all.

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Keep in mind that Bolland was already on LTIR so ARI didn’t have to pay a dime, just cap space.

    Looch will need to be paid real money.

    You’ll have to retain $3MM/yr and add some assets to move him.

    I think it could be done though.

    More than one GM would be interested in a $3MM Looch.

    If Milan has value at $3M (he doesn’t right now but he could), then a sweetner should not be required.

    Retaining $3M plus a sweetner is too much just to get rid of the contract, unless the sweetner is Skyler B. of equivalent.

  146. godot10 says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    The Spooner and Manning trades are looking more and more ridiculous by the day.That’s 5,350,000 dollars of healthy scratches added for next year. Given the cap crunch before that, these new additions are unacceptable.The team gets worse after every Chiarelli trade.I would almost feel better if we had no GM and just let our new scouting staff make the draft selections in the summer.

    I like neither trade, but both Caggiula and Strome were signed for next year. Strome vs. Spooner is a wash. And Manning is only $750K more than Caggiula.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    Craig Zonit:
    stephen sheps,

    Simply wonderful.

    Wonder what Zach Pochiro’s up to these days…

    I’m quite certain he’s got the same NHL numbers as Yakupov….

    Of note, the conditional pick we got along with Pochiro was used to move up to get Stuart Skinner – the story has not been told on the trade.

  148. godot10 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Dave Bolland had 3 more years at $5.5M when Florida dumped him off on Arizona. Florida included their 11th overall pick from the previous draft (Crouse), and got a 3rd rounder back.

    Lucic dump probably includes at the very least Yamamoto needing to be stapled to him for a bag of pucks.

    Arizona didn’t have to pay Bolland a penny in actual dollars. The insurance paid. Lucic costs multimillions of actual dollars. Arizona only took on cap hit. But no real dollars.

    Ditto with Datsyuk.

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dustylegnd:

    More and more it is starting to look like Puljujarvi will not turn the corner to become even a 20 goal scorer and 60 point guy, and we have no idea what we have in Yamamoto (in defence of the scouts the 2017 draft looks like a shit year devoid of offensive difference makers)….same as it ever was….we can not afford to have these players miss

    Puljujarvi is a mere 4 months older than Yamamoto and will be 20 when the season is over. 20. A week ago was the gold medal game of the 1st world juniors he was not eligible to play for. If he was drafted from the CHL, this would be the first year he was eligible for the AHL. His development path has been “uneven” by the team. When drafted it was known to most that he would take a bit more time than some others drafted in the ranger. He’s a big “power forward type” player, the type that often take a few years before they “pop”. I’m not writing him off as a top 6 player – not by any means.

    Kailer Yamamoto is 20 years old. He’s in his draft plus 2 year and a rookie pro. He was drafted 22nd overall. A 22nd overall draft pick should not be reasonably expected to be in the NHL as a rookie pro. 22nd overall draftees generally require some development time. To even have him in the NHL this year is either the player exceeding reasonable expectations or the organization probably rushing the player.

    Of course we don’t know what he have in Yamamoto – he’s a first year pro, he’s been yo-yoed and injured.

    Miles to go on each, in particular Yamamoto.

  150. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM: Retention should lessen the asset cost. Bolland was owed $16.5M, as of July 2nd Lucic will be owed $16M. Max retention (50%) means $8M over 4 years for both teams, so the asset cost for the Oilers should be much less. Also, Lucic is still an NHL player, Bolland was not.

    Bolland and Lucic are not remotely comparable. The insurance company was paying Bolland’s salary, not Arizona. Bolland had no actual salary cost to Arizona.

    The Oilers would have to add McDavid to Lucic to get Arizona to take Lucic.

  151. Glovjuice says:

    A repost of this glorious sitar performance for pre-game viewing for those wishing to explore one of the greatest pieces of music ever.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M0wpd04YmeA

  152. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: I’m not trading the pick.Lucic can sit in the pressbox and practice.It is lunacy to trade a 1st round pick to try to make the playoffs.If one is contender looking for the final piece of the puzzle, then and only them.

    And to my view the more set and older the core gets the more value the first rounder has to the team. A good team with a quality core can block good players from having a roster spot as happened with Detroit.

    There is no one model, it fluctuates with situation and events. It’s logical that if you have a core that is hard to break into the older it is the more value the first and second picks (because odds) have, to replace the core.

    There is also the value of ELC contracts to a competitive team, a lot to balance for the GM. We need a new one.

  153. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Puljujarvi is a mere 4 months older than Yamamoto and will be 20 when the season is over. 20. A week ago was the gold medal game of the 1st world juniors he was not eligible to play for.If he was drafted from the CHL, this would be the first year he was eligible for the AHL. His development path has been “uneven” by the team.When drafted it was known to most that he would take a bit more time than some others drafted in the ranger.He’s a big “power forward type” player, the type that often take a few years before they “pop”.I’m not writing him off as a top 6 player – not by any means.

    Kailer Yamamoto is 20 years old.He’s in his draft plus 2 year and a rookie pro.He was drafted 22nd overall.A 22nd overall draft pick should not be reasonably expected to be in the NHL as a rookie pro. 22nd overall draftees generally require some development time. To even have him in the NHL this year is either the player exceeding reasonable expectations or the organization probably rushing the player.

    Of course we don’t know what he have in Yamamoto – he’s a first year pro, he’s been yo-yoed and injured.

    Miles to go on each, in particular Yamamoto.

    Yup

  154. Glovjuice says:

    jtblack:
    “Saturdays in winter. It’s hockey’s big day. In my mind’s eye, that single outside light still shines and lights up the night, bringing the sawhorses, the goats, my brother, Mom and Dad, the memories, just a little closer. Saturdays in winter. I can’t wait for the hockey game.”

    Great Stuff LT !!!

    Its genius like this that made my The Athletic subscription unnecessary to renew this fall.

  155. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Glovjuice: Its genius like this that made my The Athletic subscription unnecessary to renew this fall.

    FYI a simultaneous kudos and snub.

  156. Ryan says:

    godot10: I like neither trade, but both Caggiula and Strome were signed for next year.Strome vs. Spooner is a wash.And Manning is only $750K more than Caggiula.

    Strome is a 3rd line centre albeit one with limited offense. He kills penalties reasonably well. Spooner’s a buyout candidate and a regular healthy scratch. Horrible trade. The buyout cap on Spooner is double.

    Caggiula’s a limited player, but Manning cost more and is relatively ineffective. Also, you can buyout Caggiula for virtually nothing whereas Manning is far more expensive, over $1m cap hit total. By all accounts, Chicago needed to add a draft pick or a prospect to move the Manning contract. Manning can’t even get ice with Klefbomb injured.

  157. Bling says:

    OriginalPouzar: Puljujarvi is a mere 4 months older than Yamamoto and will be 20 when the season is over. 20. A week ago was the gold medal game of the 1st world juniors he was not eligible to play for.If he was drafted from the CHL, this would be the first year he was eligible for the AHL. His development path has been “uneven” by the team.When drafted it was known to most that he would take a bit more time than some others drafted in the ranger.He’s a big “power forward type” player, the type that often take a few years before they “pop”.I’m not writing him off as a top 6 player – not by any means.

    Kailer Yamamoto is 20 years old.He’s in his draft plus 2 year and a rookie pro.He was drafted 22nd overall.A 22nd overall draft pick should not be reasonably expected to be in the NHL as a rookie pro. 22nd overall draftees generally require some development time. To even have him in the NHL this year is either the player exceeding reasonable expectations or the organization probably rushing the player.

    Of course we don’t know what he have in Yamamoto – he’s a first year pro, he’s been yo-yoed and injured.

    Miles to go on each, in particular Yamamoto.

    This.

    I’m not sure why people are down on JP and Yamamoto for not being superstars or bonafide top 6 contributors yet. JP has already been a positive contributor at evens, despite spending sizeable chunks of his career with offensive black holes like Strome and Lucic, the latter having the dubious distinction of dragging down the numbers of two All Stars (and top 10 scorers) in Drai and McDavid.

    All Yamamoto has done is score 8 points in 11 games as an AHLer despite being banged up early this season and again recently. He has had two very good training camps, and already has a guy in McDavid who likes playing with him.

    Not every meal at a restaurant has to be Michelin Star to be enjoyable. Why go about setting impossible standards for every prospect and moaning when they don’t meet them?

    Just today, Stauffer tweeted that JP and Koskinen were out after practice to get some extra time in. How does that not warm your heart?

    These are young kids in the world’s hardest league trying to figure stuff out. Cheer your head off for them and leave them to it!!!

  158. Glovjuice says:

    who:
    Icould see Ehlers being available, if the Jets sign all of Trouba, Connor and Laine. But if it’s a salary dump for picks or prospects, the Oilers will have to dump some salary first. I don’t think they have room to just take on Ehlers.
    That Lucic contract continues to haunt us. And now Chia has addedSpooner and Manning to the pile. We are blessed.

    The Spooner trade is meh I thought

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan McLeod with a first period primary assist.

  160. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Puljujarvi is a mere 4 months older than Yamamoto and will be 20 when the season is over. 20.

    Big men often take longer to develop. I think Mark Stone may be a good comp for Jesse. Not in individual skill sets, but in development curve.

  161. Glovjuice says:

    Good Lord is Hyacinth House by The Doors ever an incredible song. Geeze that plunky keyboard solo. Fak…a brand new friend over and over. Frickin stunning. 3 minutes of pop perfection that none one hears.

  162. Jethro Tull says:

    ArmchairGM: Big men often take longer to develop.

    I would love to see some evidence other than anecdotal of this. Is it just physically? Mentally too?

  163. Bling says:

    Ryan: Strome is a 3rd line centre albeit one with limited offense. He kills penalties reasonably well. Spooner’s a buyout candidate and a regular healthy scratch. Horrible trade. The buyout cap on Spooner is double. Horrible trade…

    I don’t buy this silly narrative that Strome for Spooner was a horrible trade.

    Spooner hasn’t settled in very well, but it was not a poor bet at the time — as has been pointed out by others, Spooner has a very solid track record of being a good EV scorer.

    My view of Strome early this season and late last season is that he did not provide enough offence to be a difference maker. Early on in NY, he is producing at a 32 point / 82 game pace while reportedly being a liability defensively, i.e. selling out for offence.

    The numbers bear that out. His CORSI this season is 45%. His GF% is 42%. His EV points/60 is 0.98.

    Visually, his game is vanilla as hell.

    All this is to say that this isn’t mid-career Shawn Horcoff that was cast off, but more late career Rem Murray.

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    Joel Persson had 2 assists and 7 shots on goal while being plus 2 in 19 minutes today.

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Bouchard with a phenomenal pass off the rush to set up a tap-in goal – beautiful play

    https://twitter.com/EDMFutureWatch/status/1084252766430740480

  166. Glovjuice says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    The Spooner and Manning trades are looking more and more ridiculous by the day.That’s 5,350,000 dollars of healthy scratches added for next year. Given the cap crunch before that, these new additions are unacceptable.The team gets worse after every Chiarelli trade.I would almost feel better if we had no GM and just let our new scouting staff make the draft selections in the summer.

    LOL – Spooner

  167. Glovjuice says:

    Admiral Ackbar:
    Hahahhahahhaha, LT – Love that Eberle troll. A lot of people would absolutely lose it if he came back.

    Jettisoning Lucic and Sekera is the dream. At this point, if it cost resources to get that done, I think you still do it short of a second round pick. Lucic + 3nd for future considerations I know even that is a stretch…

    Ehlers would be amazing alongside McPrecious.

    Given the record that’s needed to get this team to 90 pts, any favourable projection seems like a big stretch. As much as I appreciate OP’s optimism, I just can’t see this group doing that without Klefbom coming back in the next week. Furthermore, watching this team sans Klef is rough. There’s just something infantile about the team that PC has put together. He’s preached puck-moving D, hasn’t added it. He’s ignored the speed of the new NHL. He’s bled value in all of his big trades. He’s maintained narratives as cover for his mistakes. I don’t know a manager in any other industry that gets away with such ineptitude.

    The blunders and ails are plain sights. We need an adult to step in and make adult decisions.

    Agreed. I’m stunned EVERY poster at this blog doesn’t think he should be fired immediately and that he is not utterly incompetent. Blows my mind, actually.

  168. Jethro Tull says:

    Glovjuice: LOL – Spooner

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0_zzCLLRvE

    Spoonman! Check out the solo….

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dudek and Rasanen with goals and McPhee with an assist for Boston College.

    Its been a tough year for the Eagles with their coach moving on the NHL but the Oilers prospects, who have also had tough starts to the year, are starting to gain a little traction.

  170. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: Milan is getting hot….

    Can’t argue with that 1goal in his last 2 games,
    I was in a coma until yesterday,
    How did he do in the previous 40?

  171. Glovjuice says:

    Admiral Ackbar: That’s actually an interesting proposal. Is PC worse than useless? I’d love to know what would have been done without a GM for the past 3 years. What would a team do without a GM and simply delegate to pro-scouts, amature-scouts, coach, etc…

    He is worse than useless. If he called in sick every day since he was hired the team would be better (Mr. Henderson from twitter had this posted so not my thought but totally accurate).

  172. Drew says:

    jtblack:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Safe to say that Pistol Pete has Painted himself into a corner.

    There is a reason he keeps grasping at players like Spooner, Reider, Brodziak, Jokinen, Aberg etc.He has not other options.Once in a while he hits (Chiasson, maybe Aberg) … But Edm just can’t bring in a player with any kind of cap hit … There is NO room.

    I was baffled when the Reinhart trade was made.Nobody has yet been able to give a clear explanation on that deal.

    But the Cap Crunch makes the Manning Trade even more BIZARRE. Can someone explain that deal to me???

    There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears, and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call … “Because Oilers”

  173. Glovjuice says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Bling,

    To be fair, I think the Reinhart trade is worse than all those trades (and the worst trade Chia has made as Oilers GM). Although Saad for Panarin is close.

    Worst trade in Oilers history. And, don’t give me the 99 trade bullshit retort- that’s totally disingenuous.

  174. JimmyV1965 says:

    Dustylegnd: Who does Pete think he is fooling, he is lying to himself and he is lying to the fans. He has absolutley butchered this team and continues to put out fire with gasoline (Spooner, Manning) he absolutely can not be trusted to make a major trade and management must know this, yet they continue to employ a wounded animal, and there is nothing on this planet more dangerous than a wounded animal.

    If Katz is demanding the Oil make the playoffs this year, I don’t follow his logic, clearly he must want the playoffs for his own selfish reasons because clearly the fans would prefer a deep team capable of winning for years, rather than a shallow crew who can limp into the playoffs and quickly lose in the 1st round.

    Dom Luszczyszyn playoff probabilities as of this am 29% Anaheim 51% Trading a 1st round pick for scoring help is pure folly, this team is deeply flawed….but the Oil gonna Oil

    The prospect of Chia having approval to trade a 1st rounder for immediate help is terrifying and will set this team back another 5 years.

    More and more it is starting to look like Puljujarvi will not turn the corner to become even a 20 goal scorer and 60 point guy, and we have no idea what we have in Yamamoto (in defence of the scouts the 2017 draft looks like a shit year devoid of offensive difference makers)….same as it ever was….we can not afford to have these players miss

    Trading away 16 and 33 in a deep deep deep 2015 draft broke us, its just crippling…..and it will be the reason McDavid becomes the new Taveres when he leaves for Unrestricted free agency in 2026

    LT, your instincts rarely let us down, and if the scenario you have described unfolds, I am very very scared for the future of this team. I just don’t see how anything will ever change for the better to the extent Chia et el stay in place. If they dish the 1st for a 20 goal guy, its over for the next 5 years

    29% playoff probability sitting 1 point back of Anaheim 51% and 2 points back of Minnesota 72% makes me wonder about Dom’s model, but if I had to bet I don’t see this team making the playoffs.

    Be worried….be very worried about a wounded Chiarelli trying to force this team into the playoffs

    Honest question. How does trading a first round pick set us back five years??And depending on the position of the draft pick, shouldn’t we be quite happy to get a 20-goal scorer with a first-round draft pick?

  175. Chief Inspector says:

    Bling: This.

    I’m not sure why people are down on JP and Yamamoto for not being superstars or bonafide top 6 contributors yet. JP has already been a positive contributor at evens, despite spending sizeable chunks of his career with offensive black holes like Strome and Lucic, the latter having the dubious distinction of dragging down the numbers of two All Stars (and top 10 scorers) in Drai and McDavid.

    All Yamamoto has done is score 8 points in 11 games as an AHLer despite being banged up early this season and again recently. He has had two very good training camps, and already has a guy in McDavid who likes playing with him.

    Not every meal at a restaurant has to be Michelin Star to be enjoyable. Why go about setting impossible standards for every prospect and moaning when they don’t meet them?

    Just today, Stauffer tweeted that JP and Koskinen were out after practice to get some extra time in. How does that not warm your heart?

    These are young kids in the world’s hardest league trying to figure stuff out. Cheer your head off for them and leave them to it!!!

    +1

  176. drglen says:

    kind of depends on where in the round you are… and it looks like we are going to be pretty low. If you are picking, say, 5 to 10, good chance that player is more than a 20 goal scorer. The other thing is, the only way you can afford talent is to grow your own. You bring anybody in, they’re going to want 6 million and 6 years.

  177. Glovjuice says:

    Dustylegnd: Who does Pete think he is fooling, he is lying to himself and he is lying to the fans. He has absolutley butchered this team and continues to put out fire with gasoline (Spooner, Manning) he absolutely can not be trusted to make a major trade and management must know this, yet they continue to employ a wounded animal, and there is nothing on this planet more dangerous than a wounded animal.

    If Katz is demanding the Oil make the playoffs this year, I don’t follow his logic, clearly he must want the playoffs for his own selfish reasons because clearly the fans would prefer a deep team capable of winning for years, rather than a shallow crew who can limp into the playoffs and quickly lose in the 1st round.

    Dom Luszczyszyn playoff probabilities as of this am 29% Anaheim 51% Trading a 1st round pick for scoring help is pure folly, this team is deeply flawed….but the Oil gonna Oil

    The prospect of Chia having approval to trade a 1st rounder for immediate help is terrifying and will set this team back another 5 years.

    More and more it is starting to look like Puljujarvi will not turn the corner to become even a 20 goal scorer and 60 point guy, and we have no idea what we have in Yamamoto (in defence of the scouts the 2017 draft looks like a shit year devoid of offensive difference makers)….same as it ever was….we can not afford to have these players miss

    Trading away 16 and 33 in a deep deep deep 2015 draft broke us, its just crippling…..and it will be the reason McDavid becomes the new Taveres when he leaves for Unrestricted free agency in 2026

    LT, your instincts rarely let us down, and if the scenario you have described unfolds, I am very very scared for the future of this team. I just don’t see how anything will ever change for the better to the extent Chia et el stay in place. If they dish the 1st for a 20 goal guy, its over for the next 5 years

    29% playoff probability sitting 1 point back of Anaheim 51% and 2 points back of Minnesota 72% makes me wonder about Dom’s model, but if I had to bet I don’t see this team making the playoffs.

    Be worried….be very worried about a wounded Chiarelli trying to force this team into the playoffs

    Perfectly accurate post that mirrors my thoughts to the T.

  178. OriginalPouzar says:

    A couple of topics that I think we, as a community, should start to talk about:

    1) were the Spooner and Caggiula acquisitions good moves?

    2) has Chiarelli been a good or bad GM?

  179. drglen says:

    Drew: There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears, and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call … “Because Oilers”

    applause!!

  180. drglen says:

    Pescador: Can’t argue with that 1goal in his last 2 games,
    I was in a coma until yesterday,
    How did he do in the previous 40?

    credit where credit is due! pretty funny

  181. "Steve Smith" says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I’d like to see us take on a critical analysis of the Griffin Reinhart trade, personally.

  182. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bling:

    Just today, Stauffer tweeted that JP and Koskinen were out after practice to get some extra time in. How does that not warm your heart?

    I think Stauffer’s tweet also intimated that this was a common occurrence – those two are often voluntarily putting in extra time. I had heard that about Koskinen earlier in the year as well.

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bling: I don’t buy this silly narrative that Strome for Spooner was a horrible trade.

    Spooner hasn’t settled in very well, but it was not a poor bet at the time — as has been pointed out by others, Spooner has a very solid track record of being a good EV scorer.

    My view of Strome early this season and late last season is that he did not provide enough offence to be a difference maker. Early on in NY, he is producing at a 32 point / 82 game pace while reportedly being a liability defensively, i.e. selling out for offence.

    The numbers bear that out. His CORSI this season is 45%. His GF% is 42%. His EV points/60 is 0.98.

    Visually, his game is vanilla as hell.

    All this is to say that this isn’t mid-career Shawn Horcoff that was cast off, but more late career Rem Murray.

    If those are Strome’s numbers then they actually represent a recent improvement – about a week ago, he was below 40% in most metrics.

  184. Pescador says:

    Dustylegnd: Who does Pete think he is fooling, he is lying to himself and he is lying to the fans. He has absolutley butchered this team and continues to put out fire with gasoline (Spooner, Manning) he absolutely can not be trusted to make a major trade and management must know this, yet they continue to employ a wounded animal, and there is nothing on this planet more dangerous than a wounded animal.

    If Katz is demanding the Oil make the playoffs this year, I don’t follow his logic, clearly he must want the playoffs for his own selfish reasons because clearly the fans would prefer a deep team capable of winning for years, rather than a shallow crew who can limp into the playoffs and quickly lose in the 1st round.

    Dom Luszczyszyn playoff probabilities as of this am 29% Anaheim 51% Trading a 1st round pick for scoring help is pure folly, this team is deeply flawed….but the Oil gonna Oil

    The prospect of Chia having approval to trade a 1st rounder for immediate help is terrifying and will set this team back another 5 years.

    More and more it is starting to look like Puljujarvi will not turn the corner to become even a 20 goal scorer and 60 point guy, and we have no idea what we have in Yamamoto (in defence of the scouts the 2017 draft looks like a shit year devoid of offensive difference makers)….same as it ever was….we can not afford to have these players miss

    Trading away 16 and 33 in a deep deep deep 2015 draft broke us, its just crippling…..and it will be the reason McDavid becomes the new Taveres when he leaves for Unrestricted free agency in 2026

    LT, your instincts rarely let us down, and if the scenario you have described unfolds, I am very very scared for the future of this team. I just don’t see how anything will ever change for the better to the extent Chia et el stay in place. If they dish the 1st for a 20 goal guy, its over for the next 5 years

    29% playoff probability sitting 1 point back of Anaheim 51% and 2 points back of Minnesota 72% makes me wonder about Dom’s model, but if I had to bet I don’t see this team making the playoffs.

    Be worried….be very worried about a wounded Chiarelli trying to force this team into the playoffs

    You’re preaching patience by suggesting that the Oilers make their 1st round selection in 2019 instead of trading it for immediate help.
    I support this assertion.
    I disagree with you about young 98, looks to me like he is starting to turn a small corner (ie. More confident with the puck)
    Why wouldn’t you afford him the same latitude?
    If the Oilers weren’t such a f@cked up organization, Puljujarvi would have played less then 20 NHL games at this point & would likely be in Bakersfield.
    I suspect that fans would feel very differently about Yessa

  185. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bling: This.

    I’m not sure why people are down on JP and Yamamoto for not being superstars or bonafide top 6 contributors yet. JP has already been a positive contributor at evens, despite spending sizeable chunks of his career with offensive black holes like Strome and Lucic, the latter having the dubious distinction of dragging down the numbers of two All Stars (and top 10 scorers) in Drai and McDavid.

    All Yamamoto has done is score 8 points in 11 games as an AHLer despite being banged up early this season and again recently. He has had two very good training camps, and already has a guy in McDavid who likes playing with him.

    Not every meal at a restaurant has to be Michelin Star to be enjoyable. Why go about setting impossible standards for every prospect and moaning when they don’t meet them?

    Just today, Stauffer tweeted that JP and Koskinen were out after practice to get some extra time in. How does that not warm your heart?

    These are young kids in the world’s hardest league trying to figure stuff out. Cheer your head off for them and leave them to it!!!

    That’s something that concerns me when we make judgements on players from our couch. We have no idea how much extra work these guys put in, before and after practice. We have no idea what kind of teammates they are. I’m very heartened to hear about JP spending extra time to work on his game. That’s the second time I have heard that this week.

  186. drglen says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    A couple of topics that I think we, as a community, should start to talk about:

    1) were the Spooner and Caggiula acquisitions good moves?

    2) has Chiarelli been a good or bad GM?

    nice one.

    It all depends on a) if we win the game and b) if lucic scores.

  187. OriginalPouzar says:

    MTL/COL scoreless after two

    DET/MIN tied at 1 after 1.

  188. OriginalPouzar says:

    Admiral Ackbar: That’s actually an interesting proposal. Is PC worse than useless? I’d love to know what would have been done without a GM for the past 3 years. What would a team do without a GM and simply delegate to pro-scouts, amature-scouts, coach, etc…

    I guess Drai and McDavid wouldn’t be signed to 8 year deals…..

  189. Glovjuice says:

    Rube Foster: OP I love your optimism. I do, this place is better off for it, sincerely.

    I’m not seeing the same things you must be seeing in Spooner. Spooner has been given some time with skill and has done next to nothing, that’s not just what I’ve seen, lots of folks around here have the same opinion and apparently so does Hitch.

    Spooner looks like a future KHLer form here, past results be damned.The NHL is a results oriented business and like Lucic and too many others on this roster Spooner has proven that this year he can not produce offense whether that be with skill players or with dregs.

    The madness was moving Strome along before giving him a quality chance on McDavid’s wing.That’s what makes so little sense about the trade. The fact that Strome was also provideing quality low event minutes as a 3C also makes him an ideal “Hitch type of player”.

    Essentially we traded a somewhat useful player for a more expensive player that has been a healthy scratch far to often.

    What Hitch could’ve done with Strome we’ll never know? We have lots of evidence of what Hitch has done with Spooner and it doesn’t add up to a hill of beans.

    Exactly correct, Rube. Awful, terrible trade.

  190. Pescador says:

    Glovjuice: Worst trade in Oilers history. And, don’t give me the 99 trade bullshit retort- that’s totally disingenuous.

    Why are you furious with Doc Boggin?

  191. hunter1909 says:

    Tonight’s game massive in terms of so many factors I can’t start to count.

    Assuming Nurse is truly emerging and the others in the defence are starting to pick up the pace, the future of the defence is pretty good.

  192. hunter1909 says:

    Glovjuice: Worst trade in Oilers history. And, don’t give me the 99 trade bullshit retort- that’s totally disingenuous.

    Mark Messier for LAK/NYR rejects gets my vote permanently. It marked the end of the dynasty and all intentions of ever winning the cup again.

  193. Glovjuice says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I grew up in Yellowknife. Your relationship with winter is a wonderful thing that you touch on often.

    – 9 times out of 10 The first thing people say when they find out I’m from YK is “wow it must have been cold there”. As a northerner kid though while we were well aware of the real danger of minus 50 weather and respected it we also were well prepared and spent a lot of time outside in the winter with our moon boots (or mukluks which are the best in big snow) balaclava those white arctic military mitts with fur on one side and gloves inside snow pants parka etc.Getting dressed for school or recess was a serious production.

    – we never as kids complained about the “cold”. It was just omni-present but we played outdoor hockey cross country skied made our versions of igloos (the snow was so easy to make into squares), ice fished etc.Our parents though got this thing they called “cabin fever” but we figured it must be some mysterious disease that only grownups get.

    – Now I’m a southern Ontario boy and today at our posh ski hill as only southern Ontario does on the lift one of the ladies on the chair said “I feel sorry for those people who dread winter”. Of course I told her I was from Yellowknife and she was the 1 in 10 who said “wow you must have done so much in the winter…!”Thanks for reminding of those winters LT and great timing.

    GOILERS. 110 PERCENT BOARDS HEART TEAM EFFORT GRIND FEEL IT EXECUTION

    Hot babe she is I’m thinking…sorry Hun…

  194. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    A couple of topics that I think we, as a community, should start to talk about:

    1) were the Spooner and Caggiula acquisitions good moves?

    2) has Chiarelli been a good or bad GM?

    No
    Yes
    No

    Spooner lacks drive, can’t score, and is a smaller player who is suspect defensively, not a help for this roster, doesn’t even scratch the OBC itches.

    Caggiula was a reasonable bet and free.

    Hall, Reinhart was enough right there to fire in a good org. I think those were mandated though, the trades and signings after are nail in coffin, as we have proof in the results. No net improvement after multiple years and deals with an excellent starting position.

    Caggiula’s interviews demonstrate there is an org attitude and issue that continues. I think Hitch is helping in this regard by being supportive so far publicly and stating a desire to teach specifically what he wants to individuals.

  195. Jethro Tull says:

    Glovjuice: Worst trade in Oilers history. And, don’t give me the 99 trade bullshit retort- that’s totally disingenuous.

    Disingenious how? 99 was literally sold like a piece of meat by a criminal with little or no regard to individual or team needs purely for financial gain.

    I would suggest that the 99 trade is so monumentally heinous that the brain has trouble comprehending the sheer magnitude of idiocy on all parts except 99’s.

    Only we’ve become numb to it. A little like not noticing there’s a full moon. There’s a huge celestial body that has enormous impact on us, but we don’t notice because we’ve seen the same show month after month.

  196. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: Puljujarvi is a mere 4 months older than Yamamoto and will be 20 when the season is over. 20. A week ago was the gold medal game of the 1st world juniors he was not eligible to play for.If he was drafted from the CHL, this would be the first year he was eligible for the AHL. His development path has been “uneven” by the team.When drafted it was known to most that he would take a bit more time than some others drafted in the ranger.He’s a big “power forward type” player, the type that often take a few years before they “pop”.I’m not writing him off as a top 6 player – not by any means.

    Kailer Yamamoto is 20 years old.He’s in his draft plus 2 year and a rookie pro.He was drafted 22nd overall.A 22nd overall draft pick should not be reasonably expected to be in the NHL as a rookie pro. 22nd overall draftees generally require some development time. To even have him in the NHL this year is either the player exceeding reasonable expectations or the organization probably rushing the player.

    Of course we don’t know what he have in Yamamoto – he’s a first year pro, he’s been yo-yoed and injured.

    Miles to go on each, in particular Yamamoto.

    Another failure by the org. You agree then ? Rushing him to the NHL.

  197. Dicky94 says:

    Glovjuice,

    Ryan Smyth trade. He’s an ugly crier and so was I.

  198. Glovjuice says:

    Scungilli Slushy: FYI a simultaneous kudos and snub.

    Absolutely, the athletic articles are cold.

  199. Drew says:

    Glovjuice: Worst trade in Oilers history. And, don’t give me the 99 trade bullshit retort- that’s totally disingenuous.

    This post is winner for the thread.

    The ironic use of disingenuous when referencing a bad trade with respect to the worst trade in Oilers history on a chat board where the intent is expressing differing opinions is amazing. It took me several minutes to unpack this.
    Well played sir, well played!

  200. Glovjuice says:

    Jethro Tull: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0_zzCLLRvE

    Spoonman!Check out the solo….

    Awful song.

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