Copperhead Road

by Lowetide

You can’t make one thin dime defending Peter Chiarelli in this town, but I’ll say this: If there was a trade out there for a scoring forward, he’d have pulled the trigger by now.

Of course, the Oilers are here via a large number of decisions that collectively downgraded offensive options, and that’s on management. The Griffin Reinhart trade has been talked to death, but I think last night we saw other signs of previous decisions coming back to bite the team. As an example: Conor Garland’s two goals. He’s a fifth round pick from 2015, an enormous draft pool that now boasts 74 men who have played in at least one NHL game. To give you an idea about how impressive that number is, the 2014 draft—with a full year more on the books—has 73 NHL men. The 2014 draft’s NHL players average 97 games, 19 goals and 45 points. The 2015 draft’s NHL players average 72 games, 14 goals and 37 points, and it’s only going to get more impressive from here.

Connor McDavid (253, 114-209-323), Mathew Barzal (127, 35-91-126), Jonas Siegenthaler (18, 0-4-4), Christian Wolanin (18, 3-4-7), Caleb Jones (13, 1-3-4), Ethan Bear (18, 1-3-4) were all chosen with Oilers selections and have played in the NHL in the years since 2015. The counter argument is always “they wouldn’t have taken Barzal anyway” and that’s fine, but the picks the team reportedly targeted with the Reinhart picks (Joel Eriksson Ek and Brandon Carlo) have also played in the NHL.

The problem is, you develop a past. Coming four years after Connor McDavid was drafted, the Oilers are still getting beaten to the punch by teams who kept those 2015 picks and then developed them.

In hockey procurement, you can’t go fast enough to get there early.

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  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 8 prospect Winter 2018: Kirill Maksimov.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 7 prospect Winter 2018: Caleb Jones
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 6 Prospect winter 2018: Cooper Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 45

  • Oilers in 2015: 17-23-5, 39 points; goal differential -24
  • Oilers in 2016: 23-15-7, 53 points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in 2017: 19-23-3, 41 points; goal differential -26
  • Oilers in 2018: 21-21-3, 45 points; goal differential -12

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 2-2-2, six points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2017: 3-3-0, six points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2018: 2-4-0, four points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in January 2019: 3-3-0, six points; goal differential -5

WHAT TO EXPECT IN JANUARY

  • On the road to: Arizona, Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • At home to: Florida, Arizona, Buffalo (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Calgary, Carolina, Detroit (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-5-2, 10 points in 11 games
  • Current results: 3-3-0, six points in six games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Jones-Larsson went 14-11 in 15:37, 7-4 shots, no goals 4-1 HDSC. Spent 10:09 with McDavid, but three of the four HDSC came with Milan Lucic on the ice. Went 6-2 in 7:13 against Crouse-Kempe-Archibald. Larson’s offensive sorties were mostly unproductive, he did hammer poor Hjalmarsson senseless with one shot.
  • Nurse-Russell were 16-20 in 21:45, 9-12 shots, 2-1 goals and 7-3 HDSC. Russell made a foolish pass on the first goal, scoring one of his own later in the game. The pairing had problems making substantial outlet passes and it was a problem. Went 8-10 in 10:34 against Panik-Stepan-Hinostroza.
  • Gravel-Benning went 7-10 in 10:31, 4-7 shots, no goals and 1-0 HDSC. As was the case with the second pairing, outlet passing was an issue. Went 4-7 in 5:40 against Keller-Weal-Fischer.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 26 of 29, .897. Some bad luck on the face goal and the winning marker.
  • NHL.com and NaturalStatTrick.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian were 6-1 in 4:16, the line had some jump and several impressive chances. Couldn’t cash, and that’s been the season. Brodziak’s penalty was miles from home and costly. I like him as a player but your fourth line cannot cost you as much as this year’s unit has already.
  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson went 12-3 in 12:36, the lines were shuffling so fast I’m just going to address the top units. Leon looked both exhausted and like he was trying to do too much. Arizona has to be given credit, they didn’t give much clean air to 97. Nice pass from Rattie on the goal.
  • Spooner-Khaira-Puljujarvi went 7-5 in 8:57, it was a respectable evening for the trio. Problem is they need a more skilled player to drive the line. Nuge could make this line better.
  • Nuge-McDavid-Rattie were 7-11 in 7:40, all three men getting a point on the night. Nice pass from Rattie on the 97 goal, Nuge with a nice dish on the second tally.

I understand Mr. Hitchcock’s point but the Oilers are counting on veterans who are midway through what looks like their final NHL seasons. Now, we know contracts means some of these fellows will return, but consider the boxcars on some of Edmonton’s forwards:

  • Milan Lucic 45, 2-7-9
  • Tobias Rieder 32, 0-7-7
  • Zack Kassian 42, 2-4-6
  • Kyle Brodziak 43, 2-4-6
  • Ryan Spooner 23, 2-1-3

McDavid With or Without You. That’s it, that’s all. It hasn’t turned around in four summers of trading draft picks for expensive veterans and signing big name free agents.

Enough. Draft, procure and develop. You can’t trade your way into contention and free agency is where you kill your cap room. Peter Chiarelli and his staff have done a lot of things well, including the draft, building up the Condors and procuring college men like Matt Benning and Drake Caggiula.

The big trades and the big money free-agent contracts have obscured some good works. The trading of draft picks may have buried a fantastic future.

Now, tell me again why dealing the 2019 first-round selection is a good idea.

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Woodguy v2.0

I knew ARI was injured, but I didn’t know the extent to which they were injured.

Here’s who is on IR for ARI:

Bolland, Dave Doesn’t play
Hossa, Marián Doesn’t play
Demers, Jason 1RD
Raanta, Antti 1G
Grabner, Michael 2LW
Richardson, Brad 3C
Schmaltz, Nick 3/4C
Dvorak, Christian 2C

That’s crazy

So they actually iced a team with a $46.1MM cap hit last night and that includes the 3 goalies on the active roster.

By contrast EDM iced a team with a 70.52MM cap hit last night.

Man.

Woodguy v2.0

Western Conference Playoff Standings via Points Percentage expressed as points over/under fake Bettman .500

Pacific
CGY 16
SJS 14
VGK 12

Central
WPG 14
NSH 12
DAL 4

Wildcard
MIN 3
COL 3

Out of playoffs
ANA 1
EDM 0
VAN -1
ARI -1
STL -1
CHI -6
LAK -7

There was hay to be made last night but they ran into the high spending Coyotes……

Relevant games today:

ANA at WPG (WPG -200)
FLA at VAN (VAN -115)
ARI at CGY (CGY -270)

Woodguy v2.0

EDM Goal Share after 45 games (21-21-3)

Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
McDavid On Ice 47-37 (56%)
McDavid Off Ice 41-61 (40%)
EV=-10

Special Teams (PP+SH For-PK+SH Against):
30-33
ST=-3

Empty Net: (all 5v6 & 5v6)
6-12
EN= -6

SO & PS
2-1

SO/PS+1

Net Goal Differential -18

Woodguy v2.0

HITCHCOCK ERA
EDM Goal Share after 25 games (12-11-2)

Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3)
McDavid On Ice 27-23 (54%)
McDavid Off Ice 23-33 (41%)
Net EV -6

Sp. Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against)
13-14
Net ST -1

Empty Net
4-7
Net EN -3

SO & PS
2-1
SO & PS=+1

Net Goal Differential -9

Darryl8843

I read all night about bad luck on the face goal. If Cam makes the save he doesn’t get the goal.

speeds

It depends on the trade.

Spending a 1st to rent Lehtera seems like it would not be an optimal use of the pick.

If a team were willing to acquire Sekera, Lucic, Spooner, and Manninh for the 1st, I think you would have to look at it.

Those are both exaggerated trades that wouldn’t be on the table, but I guess my point is it is possible there is some trade that could be made that makes sense for the Oilers. Particularly if the pick is top 3 protected.

DBO

Our team has less talent and a bad cap situation. First order, Chia has to go.

So do we do something Bold or keep our powder dry as LT is fond of saying?

Probably more a summer move, but would anyone entertain moving Drai? Would you take Parayko and Schenn? More or less?

Pai fully due to Pete we will have to add picks or prospects to move out salary. And to bring balance and cap relief it may cost Drai. God he has messed up this team. Seriously fire him please.

Woodguy v2.0

By the end of the season the goal differential usually reflects the standings more than any other one metric.

Here is the WC via goal differential (includes SO & EN as per NHL)

1 CGY 34
2 WPG 27
3 SJS 26
4 NSH 26
5 VGK 19
6 COL 7
7 DAL -1
8 MIN -1
9 ARI -8
10 STL -13
11 VAN -16
12 EDM -18
13 ANA -27
14 LAK -31
15 CHI -34

Here’s the whole league:

1 TBY 60
2 TOR 36
3 CGY 34
4 PIT 29
5 WPG 27
6 SJS 26
7 WSH 26
8 NSH 26
9 VGK 19
10 BOS 15
11 NYI 13
12 CBJ 7
13 COL 7
14 BUF 1
15 MTL -1
16 DAL -1
17 MIN -1
18 ARI -8
19 CAR -10
20 STL -13
21 VAN -16
22 EDM -18
23 FLA -18
24 NJD -20
25 ANA -27
26 DET -27
27 NYR -29
28 LAK -31
29 CHI -34
30 OTT -35
31 PHI -37

leadfarmer

Darryl8843:
I read all night about bad luck on the face goal. If Cam makes the save he doesn’t get the goal.

I don’t get why players knock opposition forwards into their own goalie. Yes he could have made the save. But that’s a lot of distraction going on
Well at least we figured out what it would take for Lucic to finally score. Just a little face sacrificing

Clarkenstein

Connor and Leon combined for one shot on goal. One.

leadfarmer

Woodguy v2.0:
I knew ARI was injured, but I didn’t know the extent to which they were injured.

Here’s who is on IR for ARI:

Bolland, DaveDoesn’t play
Hossa, MariánDoesn’t play
Demers, Jason1RD
Raanta, Antti1G
Grabner, Michael2LW
Richardson, Brad3C
Schmaltz, Nick3/4C
Dvorak, Christian2C

That’s crazy

So they actually iced a team with a $46.1MM cap hit last night and that includes the 3 goalies on the active roster.

By contrast EDM iced a teamwith a 70.52MM cap hit last night.

Man.

Injuries or not. That team was not going to make the playoffs. They don’t have the guns to compete. Poor Keller. Doesn’t have enough skill to play with.

Klima's_Bucket

leadfarmer: Well at least we figured out what it would take for Lucic to finally score. Just a little face sacrificing

Na, if Lucic’s nose can block out the sun, it’d more than likely block any shot as well.

drglen

that’s exactly what I was thinking. The trade for a forward just isn’t there, or it would have been done.

Woodguy v2.0

leadfarmer: Injuries or not.That team was not going to make the playoffs. They don’t have the guns to compete.Poor Keller.Doesn’t have enough skill to play with.

…and their record is almost identical to the Oilers with a better goal differential.

speeds

drglen,

It could just not be there yet.

For arguments sake, would people look at a trade for Stone involving EDMs first if an extension were part of the deal?

drglen

Woodguy v2.0,

we should have beaten this team easily. What was the face off percent? Richardson drive the coyotes and he was out.

leadfarmer

Woodguy v2.0: …and their record is almost identical to the Oilers with a better goal differential.

Injuries or not, we weren’t going to make the playoffs either. (I had them down for 87 points)

Pescador

leadfarmer: I don’t get why players knock opposition forwards into their own goalie.Yes he could have made the save.But that’s a lot of distraction going on
Well at least we figured out what it would take for Lucic to finally score.Just a little face sacrificing

Lucic is more of a side-net player,
But that is the most likely place to catch a puck in the face when Oiler D are shooting

Gret99zky

Winning isn’t as important as making sure we don’t lose a bottom six forward in the expansion draft.

Right?

smellyglove

Keep the powder dry. This team isn’t one move shy of contending in the playoffs. Due to Chiarelli’s disposition to bleed value on seemingly every transaction, and make huge whiffs on pro evaluation, the Oilers will only get better through a series of smart, shrewd transactions, probably beginning with the small stuff. We simply don’t have the cap space or the trade assets. Instead of flipping dollar bills for three quarters, which is Chia’s preferred mantra, management needs to slowly turn a bunch of dimes into quarters or 50-cent pieces.

Find the next Maroon and Glencross. Patiently shed underperforming contracts. Hope for internal development. And when–and only when–you see an opportunity to undertake a Jeff Skinner-like player for a Jeff Skinner-like acquisition cost, you bite; but only in situations where you can win the trade. The team can no longer afford to pay 1:1 on trade value, let alone continually giving up more than what is required.

Pescador

Gret99zky:
Winning isn’t as important as making sure we don’t lose a bottom six forward in the expansion draft.

Right?

Not sure why this would be an issue, there are 8-9 bottom six forwards on the roster now & I don’t see that changing by next season

drglen

speeds:
drglen,

It could just not be there yet.

For arguments sake, would people look at a trade for Stone involving EDMs first if an extension were part of the deal?

Stone looks like a really good player! Would we say a 20 + goal man should be worth 5-6 mil? Maybe I’m out of touch- that still seems too high) and he was paid 7 mil plus last year> so, in my opinion he is overpaid, Just my opinion. Under no circumstances can you afford this price. The only way to have a mark stone, is to draft and develop a mark stone.

Keep the first and second. Buy out all of these lame duck players, take your lumps. We have to create a new management identity, one which drafts and protects and develops.

For those who say firing the GM now will accomplish nothing… (and i’ve supported PC from time to time, ..) I say we may as well get it over with you, start a new roster-build identity now.

Jordan

speeds:
drglen,

It could just not be there yet.

For arguments sake, would people look at a trade for Stone involving EDMs first if an extension were part of the deal?

I’ve been beating this drum for a while now. I don;t see a way that Stone gets here without Milan going the other way for Cap purposes, and Milan agreeing to waive (could happen, but its to Ottawa, so maybe not).

If Milan isn’t included, then you have to look at other pieces to balance the Dollars.

What about Manning, Spooner, Prospect X and the 1st for Stone?

Is that enough value going back to Make Ottawa like the trade enough to get them to take those contracts for next year?

Is that enough cap going out for the Oilers to be cap compliant?

Pescador

Maximum of 37 more games before we get a new GM,
trying to be more positive

drglen

Gret99zky:
Winning isn’t as important as making sure we don’t lose a bottom six forward in the expansion draft.

Right?

I haven’t paid much attention to the expansion draft, but should, Would we lose a khaira, JP, Kailer, or Jones.. ‘for free’ as it stands now?

leadfarmer

speeds:
drglen,

It could just not be there yet.

For arguments sake, would people look at a trade for Stone involving EDMs first if an extension were part of the deal?

Absolutely. But Chias fine work has made that impossible.
We’re stuck until Sekera Russell Kassian Spooner Manning contracts expire and hope new CBA lets us get rid of Lucic. Even if they won’t allow free buyouts maybe they change the rules regarding signing bonus buyouts

Gret99zky

Pescador,

It’s not an issue. But there are some who believe losing Khaira, Yamamoto or JP will bring about the end of the world.

We survived losing Reinhart in the last expansion.

Geez.

Louis Levasseur

Why are we so bad at faceoffs? Especially defensive zone faceoffs? RNH is a great player and a good penalty killer, but it seems to me he loses way too many defensive zone faceoffs cleanly on the PK. Absolutely, when you are down a man your percentages should drop on faceoffs, but he gets beat cleanly back to their point. I think that one of the goals last night was a direct result of that.

speeds

leadfarmer: Absolutely.But Chias fine work has made that impossible.
We’re stuck until Sekera Russell Kassian Spooner Manning contracts expire and hope new CBA lets us get rid of Lucic. Even if they won’t allow free buyouts maybe they change the rules regarding signing bonus buyouts

I think Jordan has a hypothetical framework that could potentially work, at least as a starting point (assuming Lucic isn’t in the deal, with EDM paying more to include him).

OTT is rebuilding, adding those two players with a year left probably wouldn’t kill a deal if EDM insisted upon it and had the best offer*, although presumably OTT would want more in return to take the contracts on.

* I would guess OTT wouldn’t ideally want to spend their money that way, but it depends on the deal and the alternatives.

Oilman99

Gret99zky:
Pescador,

It’s not an issue.But there are some who believe losing Khaira, Yamamoto or JP will bring about the end of the world.

We survived losing Reinhart in the last expansion.

Geez.

Fringe players on a bad team get over rated by their own fans. It really doesn’t matter who you lose in the big picture if the team is being managed properly,and has depth.

flyfish1168

I feel we need to be active before the trade deadline. We should trade players out that can help out a contending team. Even if we retain a little bit of salary. Chaison as much as I like him, we can try and resign here next summer. I’m sure he would like to come back. We need to bring in picks and players that can help in the following years. But 1st of all can PC.

flyfish1168

Pescador:
Maximum of 37 more games before we get a new GM,
trying to be more positive

I think we should fire PC now and trade out players to get more drafts picks and young players with potential.

Wilde

I’m going to bitch five times.

1) In exchange for the sting of the losses in this critical time (it doesn’t harm me much, but I am mad for a few minutes; mostly just feel for the city) I hope what’s being demonstrated to the important people is that although the team does /need/ a winger or a defenceman to compete, there’s some timelines that end with the Oilers trading the first and still missing the playoffs. It’s probably, what, 25-30% chance to make it? So say you swing a deal where you get a guy who /doubles/ your chances at the playoffs. It’s still a coinflip to make it. Insane. I get mad thinking about it.

2) 23-16-98 was doomed from the start, because all three are complimentary offensively, as LT alluded to. They’re also complimentary in separate ways, with Spooner raising the finishing rate of lines with his playmaking, Puljujärvi raising goal share by disruption and control, and Khaira is a mix of both. Not only do you waste the three guys by putting them together, but you hurt the skill centres by removing the better options in lieu of Rieder and Lucic and Chiasson.

3) Some of Larsson’s OZ play tells me that this team has a ton of untapped scoring resources by having Larsson/Russell/Benning down the right side. Imagine if a gifted creator was wheeling in Larsson’s place on some of those plays, like a prime-age Bouchard, or even Joel Persson.

4) If the break comes and goes and there’s no trade, it’s hallelujah time. I’m still scared and I think what might be happening is Chiarelli doesn’t like the ask from teams for their “scoring winger with term”, or however Bob put it. This sets the stage for what’s happened many times when there’s a stare-down between Pete and one of his contemporaries: He blinks.

5) I just want to know if I should be paying more attention to the cream of this draft crop or the rest.

who

Last nights game was a statement about our roster.
I thought the effort was there from a lot of players. And yet we still couldn’t beat a tier 2 team with half their players missing. Seems like the Oilers have plenty of support players. We just don’t have enough scoring players. IT’S THE ROSTER STUPID!
Other than that you can probably blame the loss on goaltending and coaching.
First goal was a point shot that went through Talbot. He may have been screened.
Second goal was not bad luck. He was cleanly beaten from above the hash marks. It was in the top corner before it hit the guys face.
Third goal was just bad luck.
Game turned on coaches challenge. You cannot challenge that offside unless you are sure! Cost the Oilers 2 goals instead of just 1.

dustrock

flyfish1168:
I feel we need to be active before the trade deadline. We should trade players out that can help out a contending team. Even if we retain a little bit of salary. Chaison as much as I like him, we can try and resign here next summer. I’m sure he would like to come back. We need to bring in picks and players that can help in the following years. But 1st of all can PC.

Yes. The number of players I refuse to move on this roster is very low. McDavid, Draisaitl, Klef, Larsson and Bouchard. Love Nuge but I’d be willing for the right move. Larsson looks like his back is an ongoing issue but the RHD is so bad you really can’t replace him.

dustrock

Wilde:
I’m going to bitch five times.

1) In exchange for the sting of the losses in this critical time (it doesn’t harm me much, but I am mad for a few minutes; mostly just feel for the city) I hope what’s being demonstrated to the important people is that although the team does /need/ a winger or a defenceman to compete, there’s some timelines that end with the Oilers trading the first and that pick ending up in the top ten before the lottery.

2) 23-16-98 was doomed from the start, because all three are complimentary offensively, as LT alluded to. They’re also complimentary in separate ways, with Spooner raising the finishing rate of lines with his playmaking, Puljujärvi raising goal share by disruption and control, and Khaira is a mix of both. Not only do you waste the three guys by putting them together, but you hurt the skill centres by removing the better options in lieu of Rieder and Lucic and Chiasson.

3) Some of Larsson’s OZ play tells me that this team has a ton of untapped scoring resources by having Larsson/Russell/Benning down the right side. Imagine if a gifted creator was wheeling in Larsson’s place on some of those plays, like a prime-age Bouchard, or even Joel Persson.

4) If the break comes and goes and there’s no trade, it’s hallelujah time. I’m still scared and I think what might be happening is Chiarelli doesn’t like the ask from teams for their “scoring winger with term”, or however Bob put it. This sets the stage for what’s happened many times when there’s a stare-down between Pete and one of his contemporaries: He blinks.

5) I just want to know if I should be paying more attention to the cream of this draft crop or the rest.

You give up the first if you’re a definite playoff team that feels there is a player out there that could help get you to the Cup.

Only an idiot would trade the first for a chance to sneak into 8th and lose in the first round.

Oh wait.

dustrock

The biggest fear for me is that Chiarelli, Nicholson et al believe that once you get into the playoffs, anything’s possible and we have as good a chance as anyone.

Can really see that being tossed around.

leadfarmer

speeds: I think Jordan has a hypothetical framework that could potentially work, at least as a starting point (assuming Lucic isn’t in the deal, with EDM paying more to include him).

OTT is rebuilding, adding those two players with a year left probably wouldn’t kill a deal if EDM insisted upon it and had the best offer*, although presumably OTT would want more in return to take the contracts on.

* I would guess OTT wouldn’t ideally want to spend their money that way, but it depends on the deal and the alternatives.

Melnyk is not a I will happily take your cap dumps kind of a guy

flyfish1168

dustrock: Yes. The number of players I refuse to move on this roster is very low. McDavid, Draisaitl, Klef, Larsson and Bouchard. Love Nuge but I’d be willing for the right move. Larsson looks like his back is an ongoing issue but the RHD is so bad you really can’t replace him.

I’m ok trading Adam. His back issues only compound with age. Plus we need a clean breakaway since he will always be associated with Hall.

Réal Goudenyéu

dustrock:
The biggest fear for me is that Chiarelli, Nicholson et al believe that once you get into the playoffs, anything’s possible and we have as good a chance as anyone.

Can really see that being tossed around.

Isn’t that exactly what happened last time the oilers went to the cup finals?

They snuck in in the last week of season.

Bling

OP:

Just caught your report on Benson/Yamamoto/Marody regarding NHL readiness. Thanks for that. I’ll defer to your better judgement there, as you have watched many AHL games this year and I have watched zero.

I was basing my argument on Benson leading the team in scoring and Marody clearly being too good for the level.

Richard S.S.

Trading the 1st Round Pick for a difference maker with term is much better than waiting another 2-5 years for the Pick to develop. One is immediately useful to McDavid, the other might be another J.P.

Bling

I’m firmly of the belief that this game should be filed under the shit happens category.

Scoring Chances were 20-16 for the Oilers, and HD scoring chances were 12-4.

That’s a game that the Oilers deserved to win, at least at evens.

Two bad bounces and you lose. It’s like that for the Oilers, and it’s like that even for elite teams, like the Leafs, who lost to Boston. It’s frustrating, but that’s hockey.

Instead of adding a top 6 player, I think what’s really needed is an overhaul of the bottom six. This is where Chia should be looking to add. Bring in two new guys and sit/get rid of some combination of Rieder/Brodziak/Kassian/Lucic while also getting KY into the lineup.

Khaira is not effective as a C, IMO. His playmaking is much, much better suited to the wing.

Bling

Réal Goudenyéu: Isn’t that exactly what happened last time the oilers went to the cup finals?

They snuck in in the last week of season.

That was an elite squad that was let down by mediocre to bad goaltending.

That was the last time the Oilers had a truly balanced roster. Young Jarrett Stoll as your 3 line C? Raffi Torres on the wing on line 3? Prime-time Shawn Horcoff and Hemmer? Pronger?

Beautiful team.

jtblack

Draft Eligble D Man Bowen Byram had 2 G 3 A last night. Probably off the board by the time Edm picks.

leeinvan

There seems to be one constant with this team, and that’s poor effort.
Like it was said, “the team just doesn’t come out hard,” they haven’t for the last 4-6 years.
So do you think bringing in 1 or 2 players changes that culture? I don’t.
This team needs to be blown up and start with players that want to be the best they can every night.
After the season they need a GM who has a real plan and if that means re-building , I’m fine with that because what they have is not working.
Peter C has pissed away most of the trading chips the team had and now you have to rely on drafting.
The team also has to loose salary, it’s insane to be this cap heavy with this team.
There are plenty of teams that don’t have McDavid and Dria that are much better teams than the Oilers, Vegas has no real superstars and they are a much better team than the Oiler’s, something to think about.

jtblack

“The problem is, you develop a past. Coming four years after Connor McDavid was drafted, the Oilers are still getting beaten to the punch by teams who kept those 2015 picks and then developed them.”

The Reinhart trade ranks #1 for me. Disaster! And that was my take in Real time.

Most of those 2015 picks are playing for $1 mil season. Cheap Labor come thru the draft. Draft procurement takes years to bear fruit.

Last night represents CURTAINS to me.

The Oilers have played 3 of the 4 wordt teams in the League (L.A., ANA, AZ). They have been outshot in everygame. They cant compete against bottom feeders.

What happens when they meet a Legit Contender (S.J )?

They get run out of the rink.

THIS IS US!

jtblack

jtblack:
“The problem is, you develop a past. Coming four years after Connor McDavid was drafted, the Oilers are still getting beaten to the punch by teams who kept those 2015 picks and then developed them.”

The Reinhart trade ranks #1 for me.Disaster!And that was my take in Real time.

Most of those 2015 picks are playing for $1 mil season.Cheap Labor come thru the draft.Draft procurement takes years to bear fruit.

Last night represents CURTAINS to me.

The Oilers have played 3 of the 4 worst teams in the League (L.A., ANA, AZ). They have been outshot in everygame.They cant compete against bottom feeders.

What happens when they meet a Legit Contender (S.J )?

They get run out of the rink.

THIS IS US!

anjinsan

The headlines read Garland, but what about that stud Osterle! :-)?!

Mr. LT — so many good (and sad) summary points.

In the spirit of Scrooge — what a long and heavy chain of past terrible trades and contracts draggeth Chiarelli! (Yes, he’s had some small ball successes, but not recently.) His team building is bad on vision, bad on method, he’s spent, and the term of his spending has constrained the GM position’s hand so much that going forward McDavid could ask out to avoid being overskated and waste his career as a Sisyphus.

bendelson

I probably should have mentioned that was a date night last evening at Roger’s Place…
It may have saved one or two of you ‘discriminating’ gamblers a few dollars… my bad.

We enjoyed ourselves at the game, though I’m certain just about all of you could give a fuck and would much prefer an actual home victory.