Moonlight Drive

Buffalo scored first, that often means a long night of poor behaviour by adults in my house, possibly yours too. Zack Kassian had a major impact on the game early, as the frustrated veterans came through in a big way in a big game. Milan Lucic scored the fifth and sixth goals, sparking a prolonged period of applause and merriment. It was a pleasing night for everyone, and gives the club some momentum heading into what is a very important week ahead.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers appear to be mere hours from doing something overbold
  • Lowetide: Edmonton’s offseason prospect procurement could be outstanding. Will they arrive in time to save the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Gauging the Edmonton Oilers’ needs and tendencies for the 2019 NHL Draft
  • Jonathan Willis: Forecasting Oilers junior prospects based on their statistical performance
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018
  • Jonathan Willis: Analysing the risk of heaping heavy minutes on Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl.
  • Lowetide: Oilers midseason report card, brought to you by the letter ‘F’
  • Jonathan Willis: Unlikely scorer Jujhar Khaira has forced his way up the Oilers’ lineup on merit.
  • Black Dog Pat: There’s no in-season balancing for the Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: From 2 to 98, Oilers share the stories behind their jersey numbers.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 10 prospect Winter 2018: Dylan Wells.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 9 prospect Winter 2018: Joel Persson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 8 prospect Winter 2018: Kirill Maksimov.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 7 prospect Winter 2018: Caleb Jones
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 6 Prospect winter 2018: Cooper Marody
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 5 Prospect winter 2018: Ethan Bear.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 4 Prospect winter 2018: Ryan McLeod.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 Prospect winter 2018: Tyler Benson.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 2 Prospect winter 2018: Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 1 Prospect winter 2018: Evan Bouchard.

OILERS AFTER 46

  • Oilers in 2015: 18-23-5, 41 points; goal differential -24
  • Oilers in 2016: 24-15-7, 55 points; goal differential +6
  • Oilers in 2017: 19-23-3, 41 points; goal differential -26
  • Oilers in 2018: 22-21-3, 47 points; goal differential -7

That’s a fabulous recovery in goal differential, and in a season that grows more bizarre by the day, your Edmonton Oilers are in a playoff spot this morning. Oh sure, Minnesota has played one fewer game, plus Anaheim and Vancouver are right there. That said, the team has clawed its way back into the race and it’s mid-January.

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 3-2-2, eight points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2017: 4-3-0, eight points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2018: 3-4-0, six points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in January 2019: 4-3-0, eight points; goal differential 0

The first half of January is over, marked by inconsistency and opportunities missed. Edmonton has eight points, the goal differential is zero and as mentioned the playoffs are in view.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN JANUARY

  • On the road to: Arizona, Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • At home to: Florida, Arizona, Buffalo (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Calgary, Carolina, Detroit (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-5-2, 10 points in 11 games
  • Current results: 4-3-0, eight points in seven games

The Oilers are close to reaching my expectations for the month, with four games to go. As we have seen many times this season, the way forward is clear for this team. Can they break on through to the other side?

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Manning-Benning went 7-8 in 12:22, 4-4 shots, 1-0 goals and 0-1 HDSC. The shot total is way too high (40 SA/60 based on last night) but the pairing did some good things. Manning was physical, Benning got pucks out for the most part. Were 1-6 in 5:42 against Larsson-Girgensons-Okposo, 0-3 shots.
  • Jones-Larsson went 14-26 in 17:55, 9-17 shots, 2-0 goals (I know) and 2-2 HDSC. SA/60 was 87 (!!!! OH MY GOD) for the pair. Despite the numbers, I thought both men did some good things. Larsson was calm, physical and picked good times to pinch/jump into the play. Jones did some rookie things but also showed some calmness in trying situations. I think the game is beginning to slow down for him. Went 4-10 in 6:43 against Skinner-Eichel-Reinhart, 1-0 goals, and that trio and fanfreakingtastic. If you’re wondering about a solution, thy name is Klefbom. Jones is a rookie, people.
  • Nurse-Russell were 7-21 in 15:01, 7-14 shots, 3-1 goals and 4-5 HDSC. These are all over the top numbers, way too much happening for anyone to be happy. They survived and Nurse picked up yet another point. Went 3-14 in 7:54 against Skinner-Eichel-Reinhart (also 1-0) on a night when both defensemen needed to have their heads on a swivel. The pairing’s SA/60 was 56 on the night (!!!) but they did play the most against the big line.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 41 of 43 shots, .953. He looked fabulous after an uneven start.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Spooner-Khaira-Puljujarvi were 6-6 in 7:52, 3-4 shots, no goals and 2-2 HDSC. I liked the line, but they need a driver. Were 6-2 in 4:43 against Dahlin-Bogosian. Khaira was passing well and had some looks, three shots on goal is a good number for him. Jesse had a terrific chance in the first period, but he also interrupted plays often and moved the puck well. He’s getting there, I hope he gets there here.
  • Lucic-Nuge-Kassian were 9-15 in 12:07, 6-11 shots, 3-1 goals and 2-0 HDSC. Kickass line did terrific things all night. Very impressive. Went 5-11 in 7:06 against Beaulieu-Scandella. Lucic turned back the clock, I’ll give him credit for turning his game around. Hitchcock saw it a few games ago, moving the big man up the depth chart. It has paid off in a big way. Now, history suggests Lucic won’t sustain this level so enjoy it. Lucic was always one of my favourite players, so last night was a real treat. Kassian was even better, he is a bull in a china shop early and it contributed to Edmonton winning the game. Nuge was Nuge, the big story came from the wingers.
  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson went 10-21 in 15:27, 9-13 shots, 1-1 goals and 1-4 HDSC. Looked disjointed at times but there’s so much quality. Went 6-12 in 10:43 against McCabe-Ristolainen. McDavid and Draisaitl didn’t need to score on this night, but did anyway. The McDavid goal was memorable only because he added comedy to his arsenal. My goodness he is an amazing hockey player. Anticipation off the charts, speed that still shocks the eye and hands so fast goalies break ankles routinely. .
  • Rieder-Brodziak-Rattie were 4-11 in 7:52, 3-5 shots, 2-0 goals and 2-2 HDSC. Rattie wasn’t in on any of this, he seems to have missed all the juicy goodness on all the lines (Kassian was the man). Great to see Rieder display those skills we know he possesses, I thought Brodziak had a fine game as well.

HITCH

  • On Lucic: “For me it’s five games in a row he’s been like this. He’s really playing well. He looks like the player who was around two or three years ago.”

I expect we’ll see that trade here in the next couple of days (St. Louis?) but if Lucic could score 10 goals between now and the end of the season it would be a gigantic help. The nature of these hot streaks is they end, but three goals in four games stands out in a big way for the gigantic winger. I’m happy for him, hope it continues for weeks.

Some changes for the forwards, nice step forward for Lucic, Kassian and Rieder. Puljujarvi has quietly pulled up his socks as well, I thought he could have scored or grabbed an assist last night. He’s in the play enough to gather points now.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun morning after a seven-goal performance, love these shows because everyone is happy! At 10 this morning, TSN1260:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. Last night’s game, the big trade to come and the playoffs.
  • Keegan Matheson, Baseball Toronto. The Jays and their winter of acquisition.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. frjohnk says:

    Watching the game at work last night, 3 of us Oiler fans.

    We were on the edge of our seat when RNH and Lucic were on that 2 on 1, hoping RNH would pass the puck to Lucic and he would bang home the puck for a hat trick.

    Didnt happen but man, I think everybody was cheering him on to score. Which is great

    Must feel like a relief for him.

  2. nafnikufesin says:

    Lucic has more goals in 2019 than all of 2018. Time to sell high.

    I fear that for Chiarelli, selling high means smoking a joint before calling other GMs.

  3. hunter1909 says:

    Just when I thought I was out….they pull me back in.

  4. dustrock says:

    That whole TSN/not TSN “trade” Simmonds for Talbot & Puljujarvi was kinda weird, but I assume it was somebody trolling and it got momentum enough until Bob McKenzie had to issue a correction.

  5. ArmchairGM says:

    Players that Lucic is outproducing this year (5v5 p/60) in descending order:

    Grabner
    Eriksson Ek
    Backes
    W Nylander
    Neal
    Sheahan
    Carter
    Kunitz
    Rask
    Maroon
    Kesler *spits*
    Paajarvi

    I don’t think Lucic is the most untradeable player in the NHL.

  6. Paulie says:

    What does every GM wish for today?……. Sir, Peter Chiarelli on line 1.

  7. Rondo says:

    Buffalo didn’t play much defense last night and thier goalies were bad. With time and space Oilers looked good. Oilers got excellent goaltending last night.

  8. frjohnk says:

    dustrock:
    That whole TSN/not TSN “trade” Simmonds for Talbot & Puljujarvi was kinda weird, but I assume it was somebody trolling and it got momentum enough until Bob McKenzie had to issue a correction.

    Oilers management has been known to not be able to properly evaluate NHL players and trade value.

    Wouldnt be surprised this leak was from Oilers management to gauge the fan base reaction. “Hey if the reaction is good, we will make the trade. If not, we will keep our powder dry.”

  9. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage expressed as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY 17
    SJS 14
    VGK 12

    Central
    WPG 15
    NSH 11
    DAL 4

    Wildcard
    COL 4
    MIN 2

    Out of playoffs
    EDM 1
    ANA 1
    STL 0
    VAN 0
    ARI -2
    CHI -7
    LAK -7

    Relevant games tonight:

    STL at NYI (NYI -150)
    ANA at DET (DET -110)
    LAK at MIN (MIN -170)
    VGK at WPG (WPG -125)
    TBY at DAL (TBY -150)
    PIT at SJS (SJS -140)

  10. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EDM Goal Share after 46 games (22-21-3)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 48-38 (56%)
    McDavid Off Ice 46-62 (43%)
    EV= -6

    Special Teams (PP+SH For-PK+SH Against):
    31-33
    ST= -2

    Empty Net: (all 5v6 & 5v6)
    6-12
    EN= -6

    SO & PS
    2-1

    SO/PS= +1

    Net Goal Differential -13

    McDavid Off GF% jumped 3% in one night as they went 5-1 with 97 off the ice.

  11. frjohnk says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Players that Lucic is outproducing this year (5v5 p/60) in descending order:

    Grabner
    Eriksson Ek
    Backes
    W Nylander
    Neal
    Sheahan
    Carter
    Kunitz
    Rask
    Maroon
    Kesler *spits*
    Paajarvi

    I don’t think Lucic is the most untradeable player in the NHL.

    The contract is mostly what buries Lucics value into the bin of “very hard to trade players because they dont have much value”

  12. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    nafnikufesin:
    Lucic has more goals in 2019 than all of 2018. Time to sell high.

    I fear that for Chiarelli, selling high means smoking a joint before calling other GMs.

    That’s hilarious!!

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HITCHCOCK ERA
    EDM Goal Share after 26 games (13-11-2)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3)
    McDavid On Ice 28-24 (54%)
    McDavid Off Ice 28-34 (45%)
    Net EV -2

    Sp. Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against)
    14-14
    Net ST 0

    Empty Net
    4-7
    Net EN -3

    SO & PS
    2-1
    SO & PS=+1

    Net Goal Differential -4

    In this smaller sample the McDavid Off GF% jumped 4% in one night as they went 5-1 with 97 off the ice 5v5.

    Kassian was +4, great game by him.

    More of that please.

  14. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    ***WARNING POSITIVE SPIN BELOW****

    – What if Lucic has figured something out, made adjustments, coaching, personal affairs, etc: How much would a 20 goal 50 point pace Lucic help for rest of year?

    “The year I played in L.A. Dustin Brown was struggling. Last year he put up a career-high in points (61), and what did he have? Twenty-eight goals?

    “Even Kopy (Anze Kopitar). Two seasons ago he had 12 goals, and then last year he was up for MVP.”

    – “I have full confidence in myself,” Lucic said after the game. “I can get it back. I WILL get it back.”

    – If you could run:

    Chiasson-McD-Yammer
    Reider-Drai-Pool
    Lucic-RNH-Kassian

    – If Kailer Lucic and Pool to play with wingers and score.

    On D for playoff run:

    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Sek-Jones

    – Manning, Benning, Talbot, Spooner, Gravel, Petro: some combo for an upgrade in Winger rental

    ****END OF POSITIVE SPIN****

  15. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    People seemed to have liked this tweet from last night:

    @Woodguy55

    Hey Pete, Looch waking up from his goal coma IS LIKE trading for scoring. Put that 1st round pick back where you found it.

  16. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: In this smaller sample the McDavid Off GF% jumped 4% in one night as they went 5-1 with 97 off the ice 5v5.

    Before last nights game, the team with McDavid, RNH and Draisaitl on the bench ( our bottom 6 ) had a GF% of 29%. They scored at 1.00 GF/60.

    An average 4th line scores at a rate of 1.8 GF/60 and has a GF% of 43%

    Last nights bump moved the bottom 6 to a GF% of 32.6% and they are now scoring at a rate of 1.13 GF/60.

    Baby steps.

  17. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “In this smaller sample the McDavid Off GF% jumped 4% in one night as they went 5-1 with 97 off the ice 5v5.

    Kassian was +4, great game by him.

    More of that please.”

    I think it just shows if Edmonton had any kind of “reasonable” supporting cast; they would be a Contender. Connor is that good.

    Nice to see.

  18. frjohnk says:

    jtblack: I think it just shows if Edmonton had any kind of “reasonable” supporting cast; they would be a Contender. Connor is that good.

    Yup.

  19. texmex says:

    frjohnk,

    Isn’t this the point Chia is trying to making by employing the “full court press”?

  20. jtblack says:

    “My goodness he is an amazing hockey player. Anticipation off the charts, speed that still shocks the eye and hands so fast goalies break ankles routinely. ”

    +1

  21. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide:
    New Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers appear to be mere hours from doing something overbold

    If there were ever an organization to inspire the creation of the word “overbold” its this one.

    Well done sir.

  22. Drew says:

    frjohnk: Oilers management has been known to not be able to properly evaluate NHL players and trade value.

    Wouldnt be surprised this leak was from Oilers managementto gauge the fan base reaction.“Hey if the reaction is good, we will make the trade.If not, we will keep our powder dry.”

    normally this would elicit a chuckle, but “because oilers” i’m wondering if there is something here

  23. Andy Dufresne says:

    Oilers Positives.

    JP is 20 yrs old and will be signing his RFA contract in the summer BEFORE HE BREAKS OUT….next contract could be a value contract….would love to get him signed for 3 years at a low price/cost.

    Khaira is 24, is on a very slow but constant upward trajectory. Typically with age/experience comes consistency which is what he is most lacking. He could easily be a 15-15 middle six player/center on his next contract.

    Under Hitchcock, Kassian is finally playing the role he is suited to play. Valuable middle six player with some offensive skills.

    Chaisson is already a value contract and hopefully will be again next year.

    Caleb Jones, a 21 yr old right shot D with puck moving skills who is managing to play 18 minutes a night in the NHL. (Thank you Adam Larrson)

    Darnell Nurse is finding consistency at 23 yrs old. And playing 25+ minutes a night. Bridge contract is looking VERY good right now. Value contract next year?

    “Evan From Heaven” Bouchard. If Conner is a Deity, Bouchard is at least an Archangel.

    Koskinen is the real deal. Next years starter for sure. Hopefully at something less than $4.5 million.

    A reasonable stable of prospects in Bakersfield.

    What would I consider moving for immediate help? The 2020 First, Benning, 2019 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th, any prospect currently in Bakersfield, Talbot if absolutely necessary (need two goalies in the playoffs).

  24. tileguy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: If there were ever an organization to inspire the creation of the word “overbold” its this one.

    Well done sir.

    I first read overboard, Does overbold = over the top?

  25. russ99 says:

    A bit worrisome that the Oilers have nobody on Pronman’s top prospects list on The Athletic other than Bouchard, and he’s projected lower than Oilers fans think.

    Not on board with draft and develop when we have this much of a talent gap, and Jesse and Kailer are being rushed.

    I’d say we have two deadlines and two summers to fix things before Connor gets itchy feet.

  26. Gret99zky says:

    When all else fails we can whip the horse’s eyes, and make them sleep, and cry.

  27. Ivan says:

    One thing that pleased me last night was the positive fan reaction to Looch’s second goal. In a city known for “running guys outta town”, it was nice to see everyone acknowledge his effort and finally, a little production.
    He can still add some things to this team.

  28. dustrock says:

    Treenasoil says Oilers and Blues are talking, could be a blockbuster.

    Not sure why either team would do that at this point in the season, but okay.

  29. texmex says:

    WHO???????????????????

    Elliotte Friedman

    Verified account

    @FriedgeHNIC
    4s4 seconds ago
    More
    EDM claims Colby Cave

    Has to be a pick up to help Bakersfield one would think.

  30. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    People seemed to have liked this tweet from last night:

    @Woodguy55


    Hey Pete, Looch waking up from his goal coma IS LIKE trading for scoring. Put that 1st round pick back where you found it.

    Yuge sample size.

  31. frjohnk says:

    Elliotte Friedman
    ‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC
    2m2 minutes ago

    EDM claims Colby Cave

    In related news, Oilers scouts and management pop the cork on the champagne bottles as the “full court press” from yesterday is now considered “mission accomplished”

  32. Jethro Tull says:

    texmex:
    WHO???????????????????

    Elliotte Friedman

    Verified account

    @FriedgeHNIC4s4 seconds ago
    More
    EDM claims Colby Cave

    It’s “Kar-vey”.

  33. JimmyV1965 says:

    The notion of the Oil trading JP and Talbot for Simmonds is terrifying. Normally, I think no one is stupid enough to swing such a lopsided deal, but this is Chia and this is the Oilers. Only the Oilers would invest three years into a kids development and then give him away.

  34. LadiesloveSmid says:

    texmex:
    WHO???????????????????

    Elliotte Friedman

    Verified account

    @FriedgeHNIC4s4 seconds ago
    More
    EDM claims Colby Cave

    Has to be a pick up to help Bakersfield one would think.

    I hope this is the big forward acquisition. No need to trade Pulju!

  35. texmex says:

    Jethro Tull,

    AHhhhhhhh, an ex Boston player. Makes sense now.

  36. russ99 says:

    texmex,

    Not sure we can sneak Cave back through waivers to get him there.

    Probably gets a 4th line center audition so Khaira doesn’t play out of position.

    Hope Kailer gets sent down, rather he play first line in Bakersfield than 8-10 minutes a night or in the pressbox here.

  37. Andy Dufresne says:

    dustrock:
    Treenasoil says Oilers and Blues are talking, could be a blockbuster.

    Not sure why either team would do that at this point in the season, but okay.

    Not a bad dance partner if you ask me.

    Both teams are at the cap and in contention for the playoffs.

    Trade would be a hockey trade, players for players, no picks/prospects and cap neutral.

    Starter Jake Allen with a save percentage below .900

  38. DasBavaria says:

    Ivan,

    In defense of the fan base, I don’t think the average fan has ever been against a player.

    I think the running players out of town is from certain media types who have a hate on for players that they think don’t try hard enough.

  39. Ribs says:

    Preparing for The Purge.

  40. russ99 says:

    DasBavaria,

    OMG. Really?

    Some Justin Schultz fans have a good memory.

  41. texmex says:

    russ99,

    Seems like Peter is pretty stubborn and smarter than most? I could be wrong ;p

    Jonathan Willis

    Verified account

    @JonathanWillis
    2m2 minutes ago
    More Jonathan Willis Retweeted Elliotte Friedman
    Chiarelli announced Boston’s signing of Cave about a week before the Bruins fired him.

    I didn’t mention him yesterday because his AHL scoring has been fairly minimal over his career and nothing about his NHL numbers really stand out.

  42. frjohnk says:

    texmex:
    russ99,

    Seems like Peter is pretty stubborn and smarter than most? I could be wrong ;p

    Jonathan Willis

    Verified account

    @JonathanWillis2m2 minutes ago
    More Jonathan Willis Retweeted Elliotte Friedman
    Chiarelli announced Boston’s signing of Cave about a week before the Bruins fired him.

    I didn’t mention him yesterday because his AHL scoring has been fairly minimal over his career and nothing about his NHL numbers really stand out.

    Have to guess that Oilers management see him as a better option than Joe Gambina.

  43. Wolfpack says:

    Clearly, ever since being denied Hamilton from the Bruins, PC’s plan has been to claim or trade for every borderline player in their organization.

    Revenge is a dish best served… mediocre.

    McDavid did not look 100% last night, had the look of someone fighting a bug, and still managed 1+1 with two or three other dangerous chances. At 80% he is better than almost anyone else.

  44. DasBavaria says:

    russ99,

    Never mind, I stand corrected.

  45. stephen sheps says:

    Colby Cave?

    1994 birthday? ✅
    Ex Bruin? ✅
    WHL player? ✅

    PC definitely has a type.

    According to a Bruins blog, he’s a “versatile player with a little sandpaper in his game.”
    https://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2019/1/14/18182401/bruins-waive-colby-cave-bruins-trade-rumors-silfverberg-bruins-roster-moves-cave-to-ahl

    This move makes very little sense on the surface. He’s a tweener at best and takes a roster spot at worst. Makes it seem like someone from the org is on the way out though, since he duplicates the skill set of several bottom 6/AHL caliber forwards already on the 23 and 50 man rosters

    I don’t get t.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    He was averaging a minute per game on the PK for Boston.

    All his 5 on 5 possession and goal share metrics are negative and his relative metrics are negative as well.

  47. russ99 says:

    stephen sheps,

    Yeah, but not many of them can play center.

    Marody who should stay in the AHL, and Gambardella.

    Don’t see this being a losing proposition, put Khaira back on LW where he helps out, give him a few games, and if it doesn’t work, toss him back on waivers.

  48. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar: All his 5 on 5 possession and goal share metrics are negative and his relative metrics are negative as well.

    He will fit into the bottom 6 seamlessly.

  49. Munny says:

    The weird thing is Boston didn’t need to waive him.

  50. Drew says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    He was averaging a minute per game on the PK for Boston.

    All his 5 on 5 possession and goal share metrics are negative and his relative metrics are negative as well.

    great he checks every box

  51. russ99 says:

    Looks like Gambardella was sent down, probably since he’s on the AHL all-star team.

  52. knighttown says:

    I’m amazed how many of my “hockey-watching buddies” don’t really have McDavid rated like I do. I’m in Halifax so a neutral market but the average fan here thinks he’s a good to great player but not at Crosby’s level as Sid was winning Cups by now (or close enough).

    Whereas, I’ll say it. I think he’s the best player I’ve ever seen as an adult. I’m 43 so I don’t really remember peak 99 and 66 and certainly 4, but I wouldn’t shy away from saying he’s in the conversation for best player ever.

    What I think people who don’t watch him play every single game and only see him on SportsCentre are missing is the pure majesty at which he goes through the neutral zone. Every player on the ice knows who is getting the puck and there’s traps and back pressure and it makes no difference.

    His speed obviously but he does these little plays with the puck that I’ve never seen before. I’d call them “triangle attacks” with the triangle being both feet and the stick. He skates 35km and places the puck through your triangle and simply goes and gets it on the other side.

    I’d watch an hour long montage of just his zone entries.

    He’s not only the best skater in the history of the league but he just might be the best stick-handler.

  53. knighttown says:

    Munny:
    The weird thing is Boston didn’t need to waive him.

    But perhaps they wanted to?

  54. npanciroli says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Not shocked.

  55. bendelson says:

    Woodguy v2.0: If there were ever an organization to inspire the creation of the word “overbold” its this one.

    Well done sir.

    And here I thought that was a loose reference to ‘I’m Gonna Git You Sucka’

  56. anjinsan says:

    The full court press should be a fan revolt until competence is served.

  57. JimmyV1965 says:

    DasBavaria:
    Ivan,

    In defense of the fan base, I don’t think the average fan has ever been against a player.

    I think the running players out of town is from certain media types who have a hate on for players that they think don’t try hard enough.

    Schultz was booed mercilessly almost every time he touched the puck in the end. I believe Eberle specifically mentioned social media.

  58. Darth Tu says:

    knighttown,

    Yeah – sounds like Boston are doing something. Possible trade coming for them? I mean I can’t comment on the Bruins at all, but seems weird to waive a guy when they’re not bringing someone back off IR, unless they’re going for a twofer trade. Or I guess they may just be calling up another player from the farm.

  59. JimmyV1965 says:

    knighttown:
    I’m amazed how many of my “hockey-watching buddies” don’t really have McDavid rated like I do.I’m in Halifax so a neutral market but the average fan here thinks he’s a good to great player but not at Crosby’s level as Sid was winning Cups by now (or close enough).

    Whereas, I’ll say it.I think he’s the best player I’ve ever seen as an adult.I’m 43 so I don’t really remember peak 99 and 66 and certainly 4, but I wouldn’t shy away from saying he’s in the conversation for best player ever.

    What I think people who don’t watch him play every single game and only see him on SportsCentre are missing is the pure majesty at which he goes through the neutral zone.Every player on the ice knows who is getting the puck and there’s traps and back pressure and it makes no difference.

    His speed obviously but he does these little plays with the puck that I’ve never seen before.I’d call them “triangle attacks” with the triangle being both feet and the stick.He skates 35km and places the puck through your triangle and simply goes and gets it on the other side.

    I’d watch an hour long montage of just his zone entries.

    He’s not only the best skater in the history of the league but he just might be the best stick-handler.

    I think Halifax would be the most pro Crosby and MacKinnon market in the country. Fans might think differently in other markets.

  60. McSorley33 says:

    russ99,

    A bit worrisome that the Oilers have nobody on Pronman’s top prospects list on The Athletic other than Bouchard, and he’s projected lower than Oilers fans think.
    ******************************************************************************************************
    Many of us have been pointing that out for some time now……

  61. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    All his 5 on 5 possession and goal share metrics are negative and his relative metrics are negative as well.
    *********************************************************************************************
    That is why Peter obtained him……

  62. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    He was averaging a minute per game on the PK for Boston.

    All his 5 on 5 possession and goal share metrics are negative and his relative metrics are negative as well.

    To be expected for his first NHL stint, methnks.

  63. leadfarmer says:

    McSorley33:
    russ99,

    A bit worrisome that the Oilers have nobody on Pronman’s top prospects list on The Athletic other than Bouchard, and he’s projected lower than Oilers fans think.
    ******************************************************************************************************
    Many of us have been pointing that out for some time now……

    Look at Pronmans lists. He had Pettersson 9th and Heiskanen 15th last summer. I warned him how ridiculous he was going to look very quickly. Being ranked low on his list is a positive

  64. Jethro Tull says:

    knighttown:
    I’m amazed how many of my “hockey-watching buddies” don’t really have McDavid rated like I do.I’m in Halifax so a neutral market but the average fan here thinks he’s a good to great player but not at Crosby’s level as Sid was winning Cups by now (or close enough).

    Whereas, I’ll say it.I think he’s the best player I’ve ever seen as an adult.I’m 43 so I don’t really remember peak 99 and 66 and certainly 4, but I wouldn’t shy away from saying he’s in the conversation for best player ever.

    What I think people who don’t watch him play every single game and only see him on SportsCentre are missing is the pure majesty at which he goes through the neutral zone.Every player on the ice knows who is getting the puck and there’s traps and back pressure and it makes no difference.

    His speed obviously but he does these little plays with the puck that I’ve never seen before.I’d call them “triangle attacks” with the triangle being both feet and the stick.He skates 35km and places the puck through your triangle and simply goes and gets it on the other side.

    I’d watch an hour long montage of just his zone entries.

    He’s not only the best skater in the history of the league but he just might be the best stick-handler.

    HAHAHA! McDavid ripped off the Belanger Triangle!

  65. DasBavaria says:

    JimmyV1965,

    You’re correct about Schultz. I conveniently forgot about that.

    I never heard about the Eberle social media thing.

    I still feel like the media propagates some of it. Or that might be me being biased and just hating how the media treated Hemsky.

  66. leadfarmer says:

    frjohnk:
    Elliotte Friedman
    ‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC
    2m2 minutes ago

    EDM claims Colby Cave

    In related news, Oilers scouts and management pop the cork on the champagne bottles as the “full court press” from yesterday is now considered “mission accomplished”

    If only we were so lucky

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    Joe G. goes down to make room for Cave but who goes down to make room for Yamamoto (who may be activated for tomorrow)?

    Here is hoping its Manning but they’d need to get him on waivers today I would think.

    It could be Gravel – he’s already cleared waivers – I’m not sure if he’d need to re-clear given the amount of time he’s been in the NHL and the amount of games played. I’ll have to check the CBA.

    Perhaps its Yamamoto himself that goes to the AHL?

  68. stephen sheps says:

    russ99: Don’t see this being a losing proposition, put Khaira back on LW where he helps out, give him a few games, and if it doesn’t work, toss him back on waivers.

    I agree that it’s not a losing proposition, but is it really a winning one? This team has so many bottom 6 forwards and bottom-end defenders at this point that another one isn’t going to make a bit of difference one way or another. Sure it allows Joe G to go back to the farm and JJ to slide back to the wing, but I still don’t see the point. Wasn’t someone referencing that ‘death by 1000 cuts’ article from the globe recently?

    Chiarelli has spoken constantly about this mythical ’94s’ cluster, so he goes out and gets another of that same player type that continues to underwhelm. This team needs a whole lot more than depth forwards to actually be competitive.

    Other than as a short-term plug’n’play option before being waived again, what exactly is the point of this move? Isn’t Spooner also a left-shot C? Didn’t the team trade a perfectly serviceable albeit vanilla RHC for Spooner? The waiver wire is not going to provide any meaningful solution to this team’s roster problems, so why waste the roster spot and the coach’s time trying to integrate yet another tweener into a roster full of them already?

    This move is minor, obviously and hardly worth the consternation, but I really don’t understand why it was made.

  69. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I hope so. The Condors could use him.

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Joe G. goes down to make room for Cave but who goes down to make room for Yamamoto (who may be activated for tomorrow)?

    Here is hoping its Manning but they’d need to get him on waivers today I would think.

    It could be Gravel – he’s already cleared waivers – I’m not sure if he’d need to re-clear given the amount of time he’s been in the NHL and the amount of games played.I’ll have to check the CBA.

    Perhaps its Yamamoto himself that goes to the AHL?

    I believe Gravel has played in 10 games (and been on the roster for 30 consecutive days) since he cleared waivers/was called up which means he’d have to re-clear.

  71. Side says:

    DasBavaria:
    JimmyV1965,

    You’re correct about Schultz. I conveniently forgot about that.

    I never heard about the Eberle social media thing.

    I still feel like the media propagates some of it. Or that might be me being biased and just hating how the media treated Hemsky.

    I was at one of the games where Schultz was getting booed on home ice. I think Hall complained in the post game interview about it, saying how he wish the fans wouldn’t do that.

    I think the media doesn’t help, but the fans do come to their own decisions.

    Compare fan treatment of Lucic, who is a $6 million man with an iron clad contract and fans were on their feet cheering him because he scored 2 goals, doubling his goal total for the season so far.

    If Schultz scored 2 goals in the same game, pretty sure he would still have been booed.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tonight:

    STL/NYI – Lets go Isles
    ANA/DET – come on Detroit
    LAK/MIN – big win for the Kings coming up
    TBL/DAL – TBL keeps DAL within striking distance please
    PIT/SJS – Go Pens

  73. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar: I believe Gravel has played in 10 games (and been on the roster for 30 consecutive days) since he cleared waivers/was called up which means he’d have to re-clear.

    Because Yamamoto has not played in weeks, the correct play would be to send him down to the AHL once he is healthy.

    Manning on waivers would make for interesting Oilers twitter.

  74. Dicky94 says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Blues get the better deal, pass the Oilers in the race for the wildcard. Oilers miss by two points. Fans shrug it off saying “maybe next year”.

  75. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Eberle said the media in Edmonton killed him in his last season, shattering his confidence. Guys like Spector drive me up the wall, and run players out of town.

  76. OmJo says:

    texmex:
    russ99,

    Seems like Peter is pretty stubborn and smarter than most? I could be wrong ;p

    Jonathan Willis

    Verified account

    @JonathanWillis2m2 minutes ago
    More Jonathan Willis Retweeted Elliotte Friedman
    Chiarelli announced Boston’s signing of Cave about a week before the Bruins fired him.

    I didn’t mention him yesterday because his AHL scoring has been fairly minimal over his career and nothing about his NHL numbers really stand out.

    Can history repeat itself?

  77. knighttown says:

    Side: I was at one of the games where Schultz was getting booed on home ice.I think Hall complained in the post game interview about it, saying how he wish the fans wouldn’t do that.

    I think the media doesn’t help, but the fans do come to their own decisions.

    Compare fan treatment of Lucic, who is a $6 million man with an iron clad contract and fans were on their feet cheering him because he scored 2 goals, doubling his goal total for the season so far.

    If Schultz scored 2 goals in the same game, pretty sure he would still have been booed.

    Oh this is so true. The Tier 1 fans seem to love Lucic based on what I can gather as a Tier 2 fan listening in to the broadcast. I hear “Looooc” constantly.

    Edmontonian’s (apparent) love for truculence (Lucic) over skill (Petry/Eberle) actually caused me to post a rather regrettable commentary on this very forum about Northern Alberta’s reputation as truck-drivin’, country-listenin’, pipeline-buildin’, math-hatin’ backwoods as being well earned.

    Present company excluded of course but yeah, the old OFDTO isn’t exactly wrong.

  78. OmJo says:

    stephen sheps: This move makes very little sense on the surface.

    That’s where the “little sandpaper in his game” comes in.

  79. --hudson-- says:

    Side: I was at one of the games where Schultz was getting booed on home ice.I think Hall complained in the post game interview about it, saying how he wish the fans wouldn’t do that.

    I think the media doesn’t help, but the fans do come to their own decisions.

    Compare fan treatment of Lucic, who is a $6 million man with an iron clad contract and fans were on their feet cheering him because he scored 2 goals, doubling his goal total for the season so far.

    If Schultz scored 2 goals in the same game, pretty sure he would still have been booed.

    Sounds a lot like the story in Toronto right now. Jake Gardiner (Schultz old d partner) got beat badly on a goal last night and the fans started booing him. Marner was asked about it in the post game and appeared upset.

    Gardiner has become a bit of a focal point there after going -4 or -5 in game 7 last year. All the Canadian teams may have the same issue with the “softer” skilled players.

  80. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OmJo: Can history repeat itself?

    – I saw what you did there…

  81. --hudson-- says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Eberle said the media in Edmonton killed him in his last season, shattering his confidence. Guys like Spector drive me up the wall, and run players out of town.

    I also remember the hit piece by Drew Remenda calling out Eberle. It seemed like it was straight from the mouth of Todd.

  82. LadiesloveSmid says:

    –hudson–: I also remember the hit piece by Drew Remenda calling out Eberle.It seemed like it was straight from the mouth of Todd.

    Eberle’s failure to chip the puck out in G5 against Anaheim was the nail in his coffin. Team was so sure he wasn’t a positive on the team and now they desperately need a player of his ilk.

    According to treenasoil, Keith Gretzky orchestrated the Strome/Eberle trade.

  83. godot10 says:

    Kassian has about one good game a month. Lucic is still done. Buffalo is just a bad team defensively right now.

    Lucic’s four goals this year were all complete open looks. That is not something that happens regularly, and mostly not at all against good hockey teams. Hitchcock is spinning and selling from the microphone.

    If they help beat Vancouver, who the OIlers have yet to beat this year….

    Trading with St. Louis would be interesting, since they are almost directly competing for the same playoff spot. The winner of the trade likely makes the playoffs, the loser….

  84. godot10 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Eberle’s failure to chip the puck out in G5 against Anaheim was the nail in his coffin. Team was so sure he wasn’t a positive on the team and now they desperately need a player of his ilk.

    According to treenasoil, Keith Gretzky orchestrated the Strome/Eberle trade.

    And according to Hitch, the Manning trade.

  85. Professor Q says:

    texmex:
    WHO???????????????????

    Elliotte Friedman

    Verified account

    @FriedgeHNIC4s4 seconds ago
    More
    EDM claims Colby Cave

    Has to be a pick up to help Bakersfield one would think.

    Ah, another Boston prospect.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    It will be nice for the Condors to get Joe G. back.

    While he’s unlikely to ever forge an NHL career (lets not forget, he’s already 25) and is a 14th forward at best, he is a plus AHL player and a material player for the Condors.

    I wonder if the Condors will get Kailer Yamamoto shortly (or else they’ll get one of the log-jam d-men – I really hope they aren’t stupid and re-subject Gravel to waivers – he’d have to re-clear to go down).

  87. Professor Q says:

    –hudson–: Sounds a lot like the story in Toronto right now.Jake Gardiner (Schultz old d partner) got beat badly on a goal last night and the fans started booing him.Marner was asked about it in the post game and appeared upset.

    Gardiner has become a bit of a focal point there after going -4 or -5 in game 7 last year.All the Canadian teams may have the same issue with the “softer” skilled players.

    I rarely agree with or favour Jeff O’Neill, but his criticism of Toronto fans leaning on that booing and chasing players out of town for mistakes seemed to resonate a lot, particularly as an Oilers fan.

  88. godot10 says:

    knighttown: Oh this is so true.The Tier 1 fans seem to love Lucic based on what I can gather as a Tier 2 fan listening in to the broadcast.I hear “Looooc” constantly.

    Edmontonian’s (apparent) love for truculence (Lucic) over skill (Petry/Eberle) actually caused me to post a rather regrettable commentary on this very forum about Northern Alberta’s reputation as truck-drivin’, country-listenin’, pipeline-buildin’, math-hatin’ backwoods as being well earned.

    Present company excluded of course but yeah, the old OFDTO isn’t exactly wrong.

    How is Northern Alberta math-hating? There were, until discovery math, about the Oiler people in the country who could add. (Now no one can.)

    The anti-deficit movement of the late eighties and nineties, when Canada was on the verge of IMF intervention, was begun by fiscally conservative common sense Central Albertans.

    Albertans regularly scored the highest amongst Canadians on international K-12 math tests, until discovery math.

  89. Professor Q says:

    godot10: How is Northern Alberta math-hating? There were, until discovery arithmetic,about the Oiler people in the country who could add.

    The anti-deficit movement of the late eighties and nineties, when Canada was on the verge of IMF intervention, was begun by fiscally conservative common sense Central Albertans.

    What does the second sentence even mean?

  90. Melman says:

    Watched Rattie closely last night – while he’s “in position” most of the time I couldn’t recall a single thing he did that was of any direct help: outlet pass, winning a puck battle, etc. You can likely get away with him OR Spooner in the lineup, but not both and win consistently.

    Nice to see Mikko back to looking clam in the net. Now would be a wonderful time to go on a bit of a run…

  91. Professor Q says:

    texmex:
    russ99,

    Seems like Peter is pretty stubborn and smarter than most? I could be wrong ;p

    Jonathan Willis

    Verified account

    @JonathanWillis2m2 minutes ago
    More Jonathan Willis Retweeted Elliotte Friedman
    Chiarelli announced Boston’s signing of Cave about a week before the Bruins fired him.

    I didn’t mention him yesterday because his AHL scoring has been fairly minimal over his career and nothing about his NHL numbers really stand out.

    Does this mean he’ll be fired in a week?

  92. OmJo says:

    knighttown: Northern Alberta’s reputation as truck-drivin’, country-listenin’, pipeline-buildin’, math-hatin’ backwoods as being well earned.

    To be fair, math is pretty awful. One reason I love biology, although that devilish art is creeping into there too.

  93. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Should a trade between STL and the OIL occur, great to have Hitch to provide insight, and he might know what buttons to push with the players we are trying to trade…

  94. northerndancer says:

    knighttown:
    I’m amazed how many of my “hockey-watching buddies” don’t really have McDavid rated like I do.I’m in Halifax so a neutral market but the average fan here thinks he’s a good to great player but not at Crosby’s level as Sid was winning Cups by now (or close enough).

    Whereas, I’ll say it.I think he’s the best player I’ve ever seen as an adult.I’m 43 so I don’t really remember peak 99 and 66 and certainly 4, but I wouldn’t shy away from saying he’s in the conversation for best player ever.

    What I think people who don’t watch him play every single game and only see him on SportsCentre are missing is the pure majesty at which he goes through the neutral zone.Every player on the ice knows who is getting the puck and there’s traps and back pressure and it makes no difference.

    His speed obviously but he does these little plays with the puck that I’ve never seen before.I’d call them “triangle attacks” with the triangle being both feet and the stick.He skates 35km and places the puck through your triangle and simply goes and gets it on the other side.

    I’d watch an hour long montage of just his zone entries.

    He’s not only the best skater in the history of the league but he just might be the best stick-handler.

    Great post

    In McDavid I see…

    Wayne Gretzky anticipation and creativity, use of the ice, players, environment (boards, net etc)
    Peter Forsberg phone booth (remember those) stickhanlding,
    Pavel Bure blinding speed
    A seemingly unmeetable desire to improve

    Pretty fair combo pack imo

    I saw Orr challenge the way the game was played, until they maimed him. different players in different times.

    I often watch hockey for the skilled play alone. McDavid is fabulous to watch.

  95. JimmyV1965 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Eberle said the media in Edmonton killed him in his last season, shattering his confidence. Guys like Spector drive me up the wall, and run players out of town.

    I thought he was referencing social media.

  96. Professor Q says:

    russ99:
    A bit worrisome that the Oilers have nobody on Pronman’s top prospects list on The Athletic other than Bouchard, and he’s projected lower than Oilers fans think.

    Not on board with draft and develop when we have this much of a talent gap, and Jesse and Kailer are being rushed.

    I’d say we have two deadlines and two summers to fix things before Connor gets itchy feet.

    Pronman generally ranks Oilers prospects lower than they should be. He has a hate-on for Edmonton for some reason (even after the Cup prediction). Look at the description for Bouchard, who has been playing better than the higher-ranked Boqvist, and you’ll see it makes no sense.

    Bouchard hasn’t put up the same numbers as last year…because he hasn’t played nearly the same number of games.

    GP A G TP Name

    17 05 17 22 +23 Bouchard

    The D ranked ahead of him:

    19 03 19 22 -05 Hughes (UMich)
    20 08 16 24 +15 Makar (UMass)

    37 06 40 46 +03 Merkley
    27 10 18 28 +09 Boqvist

    31 09 11 20 -28 Dobson
    27 04 16 20 -04 Brannstrom (AHL)
    36 11 34 45 +12 Wilde

    At least he is credited for being a workhorse with amazing vision, who improved his defensive weaknesses. Yet, still…seems off.

  97. HT Joe says:

    knighttown: Edmontonian’s (apparent) love for truculence (Lucic) over skill (Petry/Eberle) actually caused me to post a rather regrettable commentary on this very forum about Northern Alberta’s reputation as truck-drivin’, country-listenin’, pipeline-buildin’, math-hatin’ backwoods as being well earned.

    Present company excluded of course but yeah, the old OFDTO isn’t exactly wrong.

    – I don’t get the reference to “Northern Alberta”. Edmonton is in the south half of the province, and usually referred to as being in central Alberta.
    – What’s wrong with pipeline building? Construction of pipelines to the West or East would certainly help Alberta’s economy, as well as the economy of the country as a whole.
    – Is there a stereotype that people of Edmonton hate math? Who exactly holds this viewpoint?

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilkins reporting that Kailer is getting lots of time with Nuge and Lucic at practice today (with Rattie rotating in).

    Lines up with my previous thought that Kailer will replace Rattie in the lineup for Saturday.

    Still not sure who is coming off the roster to make room for Kailer’s activation – got to be Manning, no?

    Would they subject Gravel to waivers? I really hope they don’t make that mistake.

    I guess it could be Jones but that’s egregious at this point.

  99. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Players that Lucic is outproducing this year (5v5 p/60) in descending order:

    Grabner
    Eriksson Ek
    Backes
    W Nylander
    Neal
    Sheahan
    Carter
    Kunitz
    Rask
    Maroon
    Kesler *spits*
    Paajarvi

    I don’t think Lucic is the most untradeable player in the NHL.

    If he’s getting points he’s one of a kind. If he’s getting points it shouldn’t have to be a massacre of a deal either, if he wants to go still.

    I know, because Chiarelli.

  100. flyfish1168 says:

    I truly hope there are restrictions put on PC on what assets he can trade. I get it that he is desperate to save his job. As an Oiler fan, I hope Katz is aware us fans are desperate to save the Oilers from PC.

  101. --hudson-- says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Eberle’s failure to chip the puck out in G5 against Anaheim was the nail in his coffin. Team was so sure he wasn’t a positive on the team and now they desperately need a player of his ilk.

    According to treenasoil, Keith Gretzky orchestrated the Strome/Eberle trade.

    What do you think orchestrated means?

    Hopefully it’s just conducting the trade call, which I think a lot of AGMs do. If it has anything to do with player & cap evaluation, then I think we know enough about Keith already.

  102. Pescador says:

    knighttown: Oh this is so true.The Tier 1 fans seem to love Lucic based on what I can gather as a Tier 2 fan listening in to the broadcast.I hear “Looooc” constantly.

    Edmontonian’s (apparent) love for truculence (Lucic) over skill (Petry/Eberle) actually caused me to post a rather regrettable commentary on this very forum about Northern Alberta’s reputation as truck-drivin’, country-listenin’, pipeline-buildin’, math-hatin’ backwoods as being well earned.

    Present company excluded of course but yeah, the old OFDTO isn’t exactly wrong.

    You forgot “Cousin marrying mouth breathers”

  103. Oilin4 says:

    Professor Q: appear to be

    +1

  104. Oilin4 says:

    Professor Q: Does this mean he’ll be fired in a week?

    +10000000

  105. knighttown says:

    godot10: How is Northern Alberta math-hating? There were, until discovery math,about the Oiler people in the country who could add. (Now no one can.)

    The anti-deficit movement of the late eighties and nineties, when Canada was on the verge of IMF intervention, was begun by fiscally conservative common sense Central Albertans.

    Albertans regularly scored the highest amongst Canadians on international K-12 math tests, until discovery math.

    Hockey analytics among the Lucic crowd. Early Oilers MSM. Grit. Good in the room. Ference. Strudwick. I don’t mean actual math.

    I for one welcome my Alberta overlords and hope you get your pipeline. Gods knows my province ain’t helping the economy.

  106. slopitch says:

    dustrock:
    Treenasoil says Oilers and Blues are talking, could be a blockbuster.

    Not sure why either team would do that at this point in the season, but okay.

    Dammit what a distraction. I wonder what constitutes blockbuster?

    2019 1st, Yamo, Sekera, Spooner for Tarasensko?
    2019 1st, Yamo, Lucic for Tarasensko?
    Drai, Spooner, Manning for Tarasenko, Parayko?

    I dont see the Oilers moving Drai, just cant see the words blockbuster happening without a big time salary dump. The mind wonders ha.

    I enjoyed the game last night. Lucic recovering his game would help this team a ton. He helped in 2016/17.

  107. Pescador says:

    If all the teams viaing for the final playoff spot are on pace for less than 90 points.
    Does that change the Mendoza line?

  108. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Wilkins reporting that Kailer is getting lots of time with Nuge and Lucic at practice today (with Rattie rotating in).

    Lines up with my previous thought that Kailer will replace Rattie in the lineup for Saturday.

    Maybe:

    Spooner-McD-Chiasson
    Lucic-RNH-Kailer
    Reider-Drai-Pool

  109. knighttown says:

    I also know that Edmonton Oilers fans in part drove the rise of hockey analytics. Some of the best minds in hockey started as Oilers fans. I’ve been around the ‘sphere since LT and Ice Dragon roamed hfBoards as moderators.

    So here’s the question…

    The paying fans in Edmonton seem to like and cheer for Lucic more than they should and seem to be tougher on purely skilled guys like Petry and Eberle than the numbers bear out that they should.

    Is this an Edmonton-specific issue in that they choose to like blue collar players or would this happen in almost every NHL town?

    Just a few posts above mine is a comment about how hard Leafs fans are on Gardiner but is this cause he’s analytically (actually) bad or is because he’s optically bad?

  110. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    A fun thought idea today with big props to Bob Stauffer and Travis Yost for setting the stage.

    1) Bob posted the following splits for our phenom Connor

    Connor McDavid thru 46 Games:
    2016-17: 14-37-51
    2017-18: 15-37-52
    2018-19: 28-41-69 (McDavid 45 games/Oilers 46th)

    So to say that is a significant jump is an understatement, the question then becomes, how high can our boy go? And that’s where Yost comes in.

    2) In an article yesterday over at TSN, Yost cobbled together a “strength of schedule” analysis based on a multitude of factors, but hinging heavily on expected goal perscentage,” the others I don’t feel like listing here but which seem legit and thorough based on my stats knowledge. By his analysis the Oilers have a mixed bag over the next three months.

    Any easier schedule in Jan, a toughie in Feb and the easiest in the league come March.

    So for the group, given the points already in the bank, the knowledge that Connor in his past has stepped up his play come Feb and March and with the idea that if the Oilers can stay where they are until that March schedule kicks in we could be in for a playoff run, how high can 97 go this year?

    Are we looking at a Crosby high – 120
    A Thorntonesque – 125
    A modern Jagr – 127
    Full Generational – >130

    Bonus – does he hit 50 goals and does he challenge Ovi for a Richard?

    In all the daily doom/”we have a chance,” roller-coaster of Oiler fandom these days its mighty fun to type out those sorts of outrageous numbers above for one of our players. LT said it best earlier today “The McDavid goal was memorable only because he added comedy to his arsenal. My goodness he is an amazing hockey player. Anticipation off the charts, speed that still shocks the eye and hands so fast goalies break ankles routinely.”

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Nugent-Bowman:

    Lines at Oilers practice:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson
    Lucic-RNH-Rattie
    Spooner-Khaira-Puljujarvi
    Rieder-Brodziak-Kassian

    Nurse-Petrovic
    Jones-Larsson
    Manning-Benning
    Gravel (Sekera)

    ———————–

    Russell wasn’t on the ice – I assume it was maintenance so no need to freak out about Alex P. in that spot.

    We know Kailer was getting lots of time on that Nuge line (as per Wilkins).

    Good to see Sekera still on the ice for practice.

    I’m petrified by the Gravel on the 4th pairing (and Manning on the third pairing) – he may get waived to make room on the roster for the Yamamoto activation – sigh.

    I guess it could be Rattie as well that they look to re-assign….

  112. knighttown says:

    Pescador:
    If all the teams viaing for the final playoff spot are on pace for less than 90 points.
    Does that change the Mendoza line?

    My guess would be no, or at least, not much.

    I looked back to 2013-14 and only once did a team sub-90 make the playoffs; Minnesota with 87.

    Dallas once made it with 91 and there were a couple of 93’s.

    On the other hand, in 2014-15 here were the WIldcard holders point totals;

    Pittsburgh- 98
    Ottawa- 99
    Winnipeg- 99
    Minnesota- 100

    So that’s once in 20 teams who has made the playoffs sub-90.

    What I tend to see is that after the deadline the winning percentages for the good/great times really take off. Tankers have sold off and are now slightly incented to lose. And as teams get separation more teams are willing to sell off.

    The best news is that of the teams in the hunt we’re probably the most “hungry” to win now.

    Anaheim, Minnesota and St. Louis won’t mortgage their future because they know what fielding a true contender feels like and will know this isn’t one.

    Vancouver and Colorado won’t feel like their window is open yet. Colorado “should” but by all accounts Sakic isn’t moving assets to shore up their depth yet.

    No one else is willing to go all-in to make the playoffs, mostly because it’s stupid.

  113. knighttown says:

    The other crazy thing about St Louis being listed as a dance partner with us is that they have a history of selling when almost no one else would. Don’t think that just because they are back in it they’ll deviate from their plan. They sold on Shattenkirk in the middle of a run 2 years ago and moved Stastney last year while in the same spot.

    If they think moving Tarasenko and Edmonson for JP, Nurse and our 1st makes them a better team someday they’ll pull the trigger even if it looks like they are giving us their playoff spot.

  114. knighttown says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    A fun thought idea today with big props toBob Stauffer and Travis Yost for setting the stage.

    1) Bob posted the following splits for our phenom Connor

    Connor McDavid thru 46 Games:
    2016-17: 14-37-51
    2017-18: 15-37-52
    2018-19: 28-41-69 (McDavid 45 games/Oilers 46th)

    So to say that is a significant jump is an understatement, the question then becomes, how high can our boy go? And that’s where Yost comes in.

    2) In an article yesterday over at TSN, Yost cobbled together a “strength of schedule” analysis based on a multitude of factors, but hinging heavily on expected goal perscentage,” the others I don’t feel like listing here but which seem legit and thorough based on my stats knowledge. By his analysis the Oilers have a mixed bag over the next three months.

    Any easier schedule in Jan, a toughie in Feb and the easiest in the league come March.

    So for the group, given the points already in the bank, the knowledge that Connor in his past has stepped up his play come Feb and March and with the idea that if the Oilers can stay where they are until that March schedule kicks in we could be in for a playoff run, how high can 97 go this year?

    Are we looking at a Crosby high – 120
    A Thorntonesque – 125
    A modern Jagr – 127
    Full Generational – >130

    Bonus – does he hit 50 goals and does he challenge Ovi for a Richard?

    In all the daily doom/”we have a chance,” roller-coaster of Oiler fandom these days its mighty fun to type out those sorts of outrageous numbers above for one of our players. LT said it best earlier today “The McDavid goal was memorable only because he added comedy to his arsenal. My goodness he is an amazing hockey player. Anticipation off the charts, speed that still shocks the eye and hands so fast goalies break ankles routinely.”

    A generational result is quite possible. The difference this year is that the historically poor powerplay has reverted to the mean.

    Here’s a stat.

    Connor McDavid already has more PP points with 21 than all of last year.

    He’s still behind Kucherov in PP points but he isn’t being lapped which is why his boxcars look so much better.

  115. Pescador says:

    knighttown: My guess would be no, or at least, not much.

    I looked back to 2013-14 and only once did a team sub-90 make the playoffs; Minnesota with 87.

    Dallas once made it with 91 and there were a couple of 93’s.

    On the other hand, in 2014-15 here were the WIldcard holders point totals;

    Pittsburgh- 98
    Ottawa- 99
    Winnipeg- 99
    Minnesota- 100

    So that’s once in 20 teams who has made the playoffs sub-90.

    What I tend to see is that after the deadline the winning percentages for the good/great times really take off.Tankers have sold off and are now slightly incented to lose.And as teams get separation more teams are willing to sell off.

    The best news is that of the teams in the hunt we’re probably the most “hungry” to win now.

    Anaheim, Minnesota and St. Louis won’t mortgage their future because they know what fielding a true contender feels like and will know this isn’t one.

    Vancouver and Colorado won’t feel like their window is open yet.Colorado “should” but by all accounts Sakic isn’t moving assets to shore up their depth yet.

    No one else is willing to go all-in to make the playoffs, mostly because it’s stupid.

    Thanks KT,
    Excellent post.
    It feels like an off year for 95 pts, but mostly that is wishful thinking on my part.
    Oilers are on pace for 86(?) points but so is everyone else.
    Could be 90 that claims the final wildcard.

  116. Alpine says:

    Professor Q: Pronman generally ranks Oilers prospects lower than they should be. He has a hate-on for Edmonton for some reason (even after the Cup prediction). Look at the description for Bouchard, who has been playing better than the higher-ranked Boqvist, and you’ll see it makes no sense.

    Bouchard hasn’t put up the same numbers as last year…because he hasn’t played nearly the same number of games.

    Pronman had Boqvist ranked higher than Bouchard in his ‘18 draft ranking. I don’t know why 6 months would change that.

  117. JimmyV1965 says:

    I know Pronman looks at all prospects so this might not be so relevant, but I really like our dmen prospects. And most of them are very close to getting NHL auditions. Outside of Bouchard, I don’t think we have any real sexy guys who might catch the attention of someone like Pronman. What we do have is seven or eight dmen who have a legit chance at making a meaningful impact in the NHL. It’s really the volume of prospects that is so intriguing. Unfortunately, I’m not as bullish on our forward prospects, at least the ones in the AHL. Maybe that’s why I’m in favour of trading for a winger.

  118. JimmyV1965 says:

    I would think the asking price for Tarasenko would be two first round picks, Yama or JP, and then a dman prospect not named Bouchard. Then round out the cap garbage. I doubt he gets moved now though.

  119. HT Joe says:

    knighttown: So here’s the question…

    The paying fans in Edmonton seem to like and cheer for Lucic more than they should and seem to be tougher on purely skilled guys like Petry and Eberle than the numbers bear out that they should.

    Is this an Edmonton-specific issue in that they choose to like blue collar players or would this happen in almost every NHL town?

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard fans boo when a player looks like he’s REALLY trying hard (regardless of effectiveness).

    I also don’t think I’ve ever seen a player getting booed for trying but failing to make a play that a more skilled player would make.

    If it appears that a skilled player could save the day by “manning up” and getting more physical, and they don’t, I think many fans perceive that as cowardice / laziness / not caring. And I have seen fans boo that a lot.

    It’s not fair or right, but I think that’s the thinking:
    – Petry / Eberle / Jultz fails to take a hit / lay a hit, and a goal is scored. “Lazy! He was in a position to save the day and couldn’t be bothered” BOO!
    – Lucic whiffs on a shot / misses the net / misses a pass / passes into nowhere. “He’s not skilled enough to make that happen, but look at him try”. Come on Player X!

    I also think Oilers management and coaching have been VERY careful and proactive to defend Lucic throughout his struggles. I remember years ago wondering why Oilers management / coaching didn’t try to defend the skilled players from the media, which in turn would wind up the casual fans.

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wow, noticed Nuge is over 2P/60 – what a fabulous player considering all he does.

    Original Pouzar about an hour or so away from starting to read through the comments – get ready for your afternoon barrage of OP responses – I apologize in advance.

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hitch mentioned that the team was decimated by the flu for the game against ARI this past Saturday…..

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hitch says that Cave will play center and Khaira LW tomorrow night.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    Confirmed just a maintenance day for Russell.

    Koskinen starts tomorrow.

    Yamamoto likely to be activated and play – who will be waived/re-assigned – I’m guessing Rattie or Gravel – both poor chocies in my mind – Manning is the “right choice” but I highly doubt it happens.

  124. Dicky94 says:

    Anyone like Dale Weise? I’ve always liked him. Don’t think Lucic does though.

  125. leadfarmer says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Eberle’s failure to chip the puck out in G5 against Anaheim was the nail in his coffin. Team was so sure he wasn’t a positive on the team and now they desperately need a player of his ilk.

    According to treenasoil, Keith Gretzky orchestrated the Strome/Eberle trade.

    The whole brain trust is rotten

  126. CapeBretonOilers says:

    stephen sheps: I agree that it’s not a losing proposition, but is it really a winning one? This team has so many bottom 6 forwards and bottom-end defenders at this point that another one isn’t going to make a bit of difference one way or another. Sure it allows Joe G to go back to the farm and JJ to slide back to the wing, but I still don’t see the point. Wasn’t someone referencing that ‘death by 1000 cuts’ article from the globe recently?

    Chiarelli has spoken constantly about this mythical ’94s’ cluster, so he goes out and gets another of that same player type that continues to underwhelm. This team needs a whole lot more than depth forwards to actually be competitive.

    Other than as a short-term plug’n’play option before being waived again, what exactly is the point of this move? Isn’t Spooner also a left-shot C? Didn’t the team trade a perfectly serviceable albeit vanilla RHC for Spooner? The waiver wire is not going to provide any meaningful solution to this team’s roster problems, so why waste the roster spot and the coach’s time trying to integrate yet another tweener into a roster full of them already?

    This move is minor, obviously and hardly worth the consternation, but I really don’t understand why it was made.

    So what do people here want — not happy with the status quo — dont want a major trade and dont want a minor one — or is it bitch for bitching sake .. i get the frustration , i do ,but what course of action would people be happy with here

  127. SwedishPoster says:

    Are all of Chia’s scouting reports 4 years old? Keeps picking old Boston guys and players who were hyped around that time.

  128. russ99 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Hope it’s Rattie, Gravel will be claimed.

    If he’s not going to get a fair shake under Hitch, would be better someone claims him on waivers and he gets a real shot somewhere else.

  129. leadfarmer says:

    Man Button’s top 50 list is absolutely bonkers

  130. russ99 says:

    Part of the Looch thing for me is that he came here as one of the top FAs in his class and broke the “won’t sign with Edmonton” stigma.

    Wish he played better the last two seasons…

  131. Jethro Tull says:

    Nuge for Drew Stafford.

  132. SwedishPoster says:

    leadfarmer: The whole brain trust is rotten

    English isn’t my first language but I don’t think you can use the word brain in a sentence regarding the Oiler management. There’s bound to be some grammatical rule against it.

  133. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Shouldn’t they have been placed on waivers today in order to open up a roster position tomorrow in order to activate KY for the game?

    Or is this the non-roster waiver thing?

  134. Durag says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Nuge for Drew Stafford.

    You know things are bad when I feel compelled to check twitter to see if this is true.

  135. hunter1909 says:

    SwedishPoster: English isn’t my first language but I don’t think you can use the word brain in a sentence regarding the Oiler management. There’s bound to be some grammatical rule against it.

    “Brainless trust”

  136. Jethro Tull says:

    Durag: You know things are bad when I feel compelled to check twitter to see if this is true.

    Mwa-Ha-Ha! *twirls moustache*

  137. Professor Q says:

    hunter1909: “Brainless trust”

    Me? I’m dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It’s the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they’re going to do something incredibly…stupid.”

    Captain Jack Sparrow

  138. stephen sheps says:

    CapeBretonOilers:
    So what do people here want — not happy with the status quo — dont want a major trade and dont want a minor one — or is it bitch for bitching sake .. i get the frustration , i do ,but what course of action would people be happy with here

    I can’t speak for anyone else around here, but the course of action I want is ‘get good players, keep good players’, not ‘get good players, sewer their value, trade them for pennies on the dollar/lesser players and then hope that worse players can fill the holes created by flushing good players for reasons nobody around here, myself included, seem to understand.’

    That can’t be too much to ask, can it?

  139. treevojo says:

    knighttown,

    “Minnesota and St. Louis won’t mortgage their future because they know what fielding a true contender feels like and will know this isn’t one.”

    I dont remember either of these teams fielding true contenders.

    I remember a lot of hype associated with these teams only ending in their disappointment.

    Anaheim on the other hand knows what it feels like.

  140. YKOil says:

    If St. Louis, the target is probably Schenn. Say the price for Schenn is the 1st and Khaira.

    Question is where the rest of the $5.125 million in salary comes from. Oilers would need to pour salary in to make the trade work and what else has to go into then to make it worthwhile (for St. Louis).

    Say we get our dream salary dump (outside Lucic): Manning ($2.250) and Spooner ($3.100) and say the price for that is Pulju. Offsets then changes things a bit.

    So now we are looking at something like:

    Schenn and Edmundson, some nameless prospects for roster balance and late draft picks for flavour
    FOR
    Spooner, Manning, Puljujarvi, Khaira and 1st round pick

    Do you do that trade?

  141. pts2pndr says:

    SwedishPoster: English isn’t my first language but I don’t think you can use the word brain in a sentence regarding the Oiler management. There’s bound to be some grammatical rule against it.

    Called mutually exclusive!

  142. bendelson says:

    bendelson: And here I thought that was a loose reference to ‘I’m Gonna Git You Sucka’

    Overbold – Overgold?

    *crickets

    I guess obscure 1980’s lowbrow movie references don’t play around these parts… noted.

  143. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Hitch mentioned that the team was decimated by the flu for the game against ARI this past Saturday…..

    So why question their effort level?

  144. McSorley33 says:

    YKOil,

    So, you have St.Louis taking not just Brandon Manning, but Ryan
    Spooner as well?

    Cruel.

  145. Jerk says:

    bendelson,

    How did he go to the bathroom with all that shit on? 😉

  146. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Oilers Positives.

    JP is 20 yrs old and will be signing his RFA contract in the summer BEFORE HE BREAKS OUT….next contract could be a value contract….would love to get him signed for 3 years at a low price/cost.

    Khaira is 24, is on a very slow but constant upward trajectory. Typically with age/experience comes consistency which is what he is most lacking. He could easily be a 15-15 middle six player/center on his next contract.

    Under Hitchcock, Kassian is finally playing the role he is suited to play. Valuable middle six player with some offensive skills.

    Chaisson is already a value contract and hopefully will be again next year.

    Caleb Jones, a 21 yr old right shot D with puck moving skills who is managing to play 18 minutes a night in the NHL. (Thank you Adam Larrson)

    Darnell Nurse is finding consistency at 23 yrs old. And playing 25+ minutes a night. Bridge contract is looking VERY good right now. Value contract next year?

    “Evan From Heaven” Bouchard. If Conner is a Deity, Bouchard is at least an Archangel.

    Koskinen is the real deal. Next years starter for sure. Hopefully at something less than $4.5 million.

    A reasonable stable of prospects in Bakersfield.

    What would I consider moving for immediate help?The 2020 First, Benning, 2019 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th, any prospect currently in Bakersfield, Talbot if absolutely necessary (need two goalies in the playoffs).

    I am a little down on JP’s offensive ceiling but, by no means, have given up on him becoming a top 6 player on this team – I am thinking we are looking at 2 X $2M (year 1 – $1.8M, year 2- $2.2M for QO purposes) subject to a 2nd half pop.

    At his age, I don’t think we’ll see much more offensive development from Khaira but we will see a spike in his PK, 2-way play, board play, battle win level, etc. – I think he’ll be a very solid 3rd liner shortly. His next contract will likely be in the $1.5M – $2.25M range as well – hopefully closer to $1.5M.

    I said when he was called up, “hey maybe this is the time an injury call-up simply runs with the opportunity and never looks back – it happens to other teams” – this may ring true with Jones. Obviously he is making some mistakes – too aggressive defending the gap, burned by speed, etc. but he is also making plays, not getting rattled by those mistakes and learning – given he is 21, has less than 20 NHL games and is playing top 4 minutes – what a great start.

    I’m very excited for Klef to come back and Jones to play some real 3rd line minutes – with some good development this year, maybe he can actually anchor a 3rd pairing next season?

    I still think that Nurse is out-producing his true offensive talents but, you know what, dating back to the 26 even strength points last year, the man has been producing for a while now – maybe this offence is real. His skating is effortless making his tireless. Yes, he’s got consistency issues but his defensive play (covering the back door, etc.) has improved markedly this year and his outlet passing is starting to do the same.

    We are about to reap the benefits of better drafting outside the first round and development – each of the following d-men should legit be ready to compete for the NHL next year: Jones, Bear, Lagesson, Persson, Bouchard, Berglund.

    Add in Benson and Marody as potential bottom 6/middle 6 options.

    Add in McLeod, Maksimov, Samorukov, Safin about to turn pro.

    ELC value contracts are coming to this organization.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    A bit worrisome that the Oilers have nobody on Pronman’s top prospects list on The Athletic other than Bouchard, and he’s projected lower than Oilers fans think.

    Not on board with draft and develop when we have this much of a talent gap, and Jesse and Kailer are being rushed.

    I’d say we have two deadlines and two summers to fix things before Connor gets itchy feet.

    Pronman had Bouchard and Dobson both ranked in the late teens or early 20s pre-draft, if I recall – materially lower than on any other ranking I had seen for either – like off the board low.

    We are about to reap the benefits of better drafting outside the first round and development – each of the following d-men should legit be ready to compete for the NHL next year: Jones, Bear, Lagesson, Persson, Bouchard, Berglund.

    Add in Benson and Marody as potential bottom 6/middle 6 options.

    Add in McLeod, Maksimov, Samorukov, Safin about to turn pro.

    ELC value contracts are coming to this organization.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock:
    Treenasoil says Oilers and Blues are talking, could be a blockbuster.

    Not sure why either team would do that at this point in the season, but okay.

    Has “Tracy” ever had a prediction come to fruition????

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    frjohnk:
    Elliotte Friedman
    ‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC
    2m2 minutes ago

    EDM claims Colby Cave

    In related news, Oilers scouts and management pop the cork on the champagne bottles as the “full court press” from yesterday is now considered “mission accomplished”

    am hopeful that he indeed is the sole acquisition, at least for another month until we see where this team is at.

    I mean, if they go on another 8-2-1 heater and are firmly in a wild card spot by like 4 points (and playing well) then, yes, maybe a medium cost “rental” could make sense. In particular if Sekera comes back (along with Klef) and actually is playing well. That would mean they’ve added two legit top 4D and that is material. We know they are adding one, we don’t know about two.

    Anyways, the 1st round pick “should” only be in play for a real hockey trade for a player with term in a position of need – that type of trade rarely happens in-season, in particular nearing the deadline. Even such a trade comes with risks given where that first round pick could be and given expansion draft implications as a further factor.

  150. CapeBretonOilers says:

    stephen sheps,

    so you didnt want them to do a waiver pickup and not you specifically but there is great gnashing of teeth here over a major move that hasnt taken place yet . so you want the status quo – not try anything — fwiw the bruins blogger take on this was it was dissappointing to move him —
    Maybe he will help on the PK whats that ranked 24th 25th ? is that not worth trying to improve ?

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wolfpack:

    McDavid did not look 100% last night, had the look of someone fighting a bug, and still managed 1+1 with two or three other dangerous chances. At 80% he is better than almost anyone else.

    I thought McDavid looked MUCH better than the previous two games. He was “pedestrian” against ARI and, even though he had 3 points, not very dynamic the previous game.

    I thought he was skating so much better than we’ve seen in weeks.

  152. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar: Pronman had Bouchard and Dobson both ranked in the late teens or early 20s pre-draft, if I recall – materially lower than on any other ranking I had seen for either – like off the board low.

    We are about to reap the benefits of better drafting outside the first round and development – each of the following d-men should legit be ready to compete for the NHL next year: Jones, Bear, Lagesson, Persson, Bouchard, Berglund.

    Add in Benson and Marody as potential bottom 6/middle 6 options.

    Add in McLeod, Maksimov, Samorukov, Safin about to turn pro.

    ELC value contracts are coming to this organization.

    Pronman likes little offensive D that can skate like the wind but are clueless about defending. I think he does have Hughes and Makar ranked as the top D accurately but otherwise hes off and I think by grouping the next batch very closely he tries to cover for it. He had Heiskanen 15th last offseason, which anyone that had him outside of the top 5 was not paying attention

  153. Hairbag says:

    knighttown,

    I don’t think the fans cheering for Lucic has anything to do with his style of play. I think it is more the realization that we are stuck with each other for the long term so we might as well cheer for him in the hopes that he comes back to form. People in Alberta also like the strong silent type who keep putting their work boots on and keep giving an effort…..don’t pout, don’t cry, just keep on keepin on. There has been a lot of criticism of Looch and he has heard it, but he keeps grinding away even when things have been really bad – we root for people who persevere. Hopefully he can continue to perform close to his old levels of performance. If the Oilers ever do make the playoffs again I think Lucic could be our Tom Wilson type which has extreme value in the grinding post season style.

  154. dustrock says:

    OriginalPouzar: Has “Tracy” ever had a prediction come to fruition????

    The only thing I can think of under the current management is he/she/it correctly predicted we were sending Jokinen to LA 1-2 days before the trade happened.

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    The weird thing is Boston didn’t need to waive him.

    What do you mean?

    If you are getting at the fact that he is on a 2-way contract, that means nothing with respect to waivers.

  156. leadfarmer says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Nuge for Drew Stafford.

    Nah, Stafford doesnt have enough cap hit or term.
    More like Dubinsky

  157. RonnieB says:

    Chiasson has 1G and 1A in his last 6 games. Is his Y-T-D production projectable or has he begun the plunge into his regression to the mean ? How long will it be before Pete announces signing Chiasson to a 4 year, $16 million extension with a full NMC ? Will he take advantage of Chiasson’s 1st half and trade him at his highest value, or will he make the same mistake he made with Maroon a year ago and wait too long ? Would it be a mistake to wait or not ?

  158. Ryan says:

    SwedishPoster: English isn’t my first language but I don’t think you can use the word brain in a sentence regarding the Oiler management. There’s bound to be some grammatical rule against it.

    The term you’re looking for would be, “oxymoron” to describe this conundrum.

  159. Pescador says:

    dustrock: The only thing I can think of under the current management is he/she/it correctly predicted we were sending Jokinen to LA 1-2 days before the trade happened.

    GHHAAA!!!
    Burn the Witch, burn it

  160. silasbengtsson says:

    Never been a big fan of top-50 lists as I find it neglects too substantial a proportion of the prospect base and limits them to act more as “bragging rights lists” for their writers to lord over others when one of their guys makes it sooner. Obviously the top-end guys bring elite skill and high value to their teams when they turn out, but I’m much more interested in lists that forego talking about the cream of the crop, as those are largely self-evident, and instead favour talking about “the next 150 (or so)”. I think that’s where the greatest value for keeping a team going in the right direction comes from.

  161. Professor Q says:

    As an interesting aside, the Cleveland Browns hired Chris Jones today. Defensive Line perhaps? Something to do with defence.

  162. jtblack says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!,

    “A modern Jagr – 127”

    Given good health and 81 games played I will go with the Jagr. And yes I believe he will win the Rocket Richard as well.

    54-73-127 He might need 130+ to beat Kucherov. and more than 54 to be Ovie or whomever.

    Go Connor Go!

  163. Jethro Tull says:

    Professor Q:
    As an interesting aside, the Cleveland Browns hired Chris Jones today. Defensive Line perhaps? Something to do with defence.

    The most poorly kept secret in the CFL was that Chris Jones was biding his time until either NCAA or NFL came a-knockin’.

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    Stuart Skinner and Dylan Wells swap spots.

    Interesting as Wells, although cooled a bit after a hot first few starts, was playing well for a rookie pro in the AHL.

    I think they are trying to get both prospects some AHL experience as they may have them rated pretty evenly right now.

  165. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Don’t look now but Milan Lucic is only 2 points back of Adam Larsson and Jujhar Khaira!

  166. McSorley33 says:

    Jethro Tull,

    The most poorly kept secret in the CFL was that Chris Jones was biding his time until either NCAA or NFL came a-knockin’.
    *************************************************************************************
    True. But, the ink was not even dry on the contract extension he just signed……

  167. PennersPancakes says:

    RonnieB: the same mistake he made with Maroon a year ago

    Is that a mistake or more so people realizing Maroon, a career bottom sixer, was being boosted by McDavid. Im all for ripping on Chia and I hoped his value was more than a third but trade deadline compensation has been on a downward trend in the NHL.

    I think Chiassons first half performance ups his value. Definitely. Probably from a 7th round pick to a 4th. I like him as a player and would at the right price like to see him here again next year but hes still shooting over twice his career average.

  168. bendelson says:

    Jerk:
    bendelson,

    How did he go to the bathroom with all that shit on?

    Ha! Thanks for the reply, Jerk.

  169. PennersPancakes says:

    OriginalPouzar: What do you mean?

    If you are getting at the fact that he is on a 2-way contract, that means nothing with respect to waivers.

    Not who youre replying to so taking a guess.

    Bruins dont have anyone coming off the IR (Nordstrom is still a ways away it seems) and havent made a trade (yet). Could have been planning to swap him out with someone on Providence but looking purely at boxcars no one appears to be performing better in the AHL than Cave.

  170. stephen sheps says:

    CapeBretonOilers:
    stephen sheps,

    so you didnt want them to do a waiver pickup and not you specifically but there is great gnashing of teeth here over a major move that hasnt taken place yet .so you want the status quo– not try anything— fwiwthe bruins blogger take on this was it was dissappointing to move him—
    Maybe he will help on the PKwhats that ranked 24th 25th? is that not worth trying to improve ?

    I’ll go one at a time with your questions here:

    Did I want them to make a waiver claim? Not especially, since the waiver claims made the last couple seasons have not exactly yielded much success for the Oilers, though I hear that Aberg kid might be a player in Anaheim.

    Do I want the status quo? No. Absolutely not. I rarely post about anything at all here these days despite being a regular here for 11, maybe 12 years in part because the status quo is infuriating. That’s why I’ve resorted to semi-regular humorous updates about Yak and other ex-Oilers in the KHL with occasional references to SCTV’s soviet parody CCCP1 or talking about music and whisky. That the team is as maddeningly inconsistent as it is absolutely infuriates me. The Chiarelli status quo isn’t working. This kind of waiver claim is not deviating from that status quo at all. Same player type, same background, same Bruins history, same level of ‘sandpaper’ in his game. ’94 birthday. All of it.

    Is it worth it to try and improve the PK? Sure, 100% Absolutely. Do I think a tweener with poor possession metrics on an otherwise solid defensive team is going to help the PK? Time will tell, but probably not. Do you?

    Like I said earlier, the consternation I am publicly expressing for this acquisition likely isn’t worth my time or energy, but here we are. I write about hockey on an academic level and just finished a major article about analytics and evidence-based inquiry in the media that is about to go to my editor, so I don’t post much here anymore because writing about hockey is work for me now. But when there is so much noise about major moves and then the thing that actually happens the next day is about as materially significant to the team as a fart in a public park on a windy day, (which is to say not significant in the slightest), I just don’t get it. I don’t get the noise the team makes, I don’t understand the motivation to use a roster spot on the player. None of it. And if I can’t come here to talk about this ridiculousness once in a while, where can I go?

  171. Professor Q says:

    jtblack:
    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    “A modern Jagr – 127”

    Given good health and 81 games played I will go with the Jagr. And yes I believe he will win the Rocket Richard as well.

    54-73-127He might need 130+ to beat Kucherov.and more than 54 to be Ovie or whomever.

    Go Connor Go!

    He’s almost there. Pulled to second place last night and is on fire now. He’s catching up to Ovechkin in goals, too.

    Kucherov will be looking in the rearview mirror with the same fear he had last year.

  172. Side says:

    Professor Q: He’s almost there. Pulled to second place last night and is on fire now. He’s catching up to Ovechkin in goals, too.

    Kucherov will be looking in the rearview mirror with the same fear he had last year.

    Just need McDavid to stop getting the flu..

  173. Oilman99 says:

    Jethro Tull: The most poorly kept secret in the CFL was that Chris Jones was biding his time until either NCAA or NFL came a-knockin’.

    That ego is too big for Canada, hope the door hits him in the ass as he leaves.

  174. OriginalPouzar says:

    RonnieB:
    Chiasson has 1G and 1A in his last 6 games. Is his Y-T-D production projectable or has he begun the plunge into his regression to the mean ? How long will it be before Pete announces signing Chiasson to a 4 year, $16 million extension with a full NMC ? Will he take advantage of Chiasson’s 1st half and trade him at his highest value, or will he make the same mistake he made with Maroon a year ago and wait too long ? Would it be a mistake to wait or not ?

    Chiarelli did fantastic at the deadline last year.

    1) with respect to Maroon, lets not forget that Maroon was struggling big time for quite a while prior to the deadline last year and he was also dealing with a bad back. Chiarelli received a 3rd round pick (and Dudek who will likely not be signed) but was very clear that he was going to flip that for a warm body and he did not long thereafter, for Cooper Marody. Given Marody is one of the Oilers top prospects and the prices being paid at last year’s deadline – fantastic return.

    2) Letestu was also struggling last year and we are talking about a struggling 4th liner (who was bad on the PK) – to get a solid asset like Aberg for Letestu was, again, a great return. Its not Chiarelli’s fault the coach was stuck in the 90s and couldn’t get over “the incident” and soured the asset.

  175. OriginalPouzar says:

    stephen sheps: I’ll go one at a time with your questions here:

    Did I want them to make a waiver claim? Not especially, since the waiver claims made the last couple seasons have not exactly yielded much success for the Oilers, though I hear that Aberg kid might be a player in Anaheim.

    Of note, Aberg being healthy scratched for the fourth straight game – after going pointless in 9 and Carlyle publicly citing his compete level.

  176. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: What do you mean?

    If you are getting at the fact that he is on a 2-way contract, that means nothing with respect to waivers.

    I mean they didn’t need a roster spot. No one coming back from injury, etc. As was also referenced in a reply to my post by another commenter hours before your reply.

  177. OriginalPouzar says:

    Eberle helps out his old team as he puts the Isles up 1-0 on the Blues early – Isles taking it to the Blues so far.

  178. digger50 says:

    SwedishPoster: English isn’t my first language but I don’t think you can use the word brain in a sentence regarding the Oiler management. There’s bound to be some grammatical rule against it.

    Hello Swedish, can you provide any insight into Joel Persson’s season to date?

  179. workaroundaccount says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    ***WARNING POSITIVE SPIN BELOW****

    – What if Lucic has figured something out, made adjustments, coaching, personal affairs, etc: How much would a 20 goal 50 point pace Lucic help for rest of year?

    “The year I played in L.A. Dustin Brown was struggling. Last year he put up a career-high in points (61), and what did he have? Twenty-eight goals?

    “Even Kopy (Anze Kopitar). Two seasons ago he had 12 goals, and then last year he was up for MVP.”

    – “I have full confidence in myself,” Lucic said after the game. “I can get it back. I WILL get it back.”

    – If you could run:

    Chiasson-McD-Yammer
    Reider-Drai-Pool
    Lucic-RNH-Kassian

    – If Kailer Lucic and Pool to play with wingers and score.

    On D for playoff run:

    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Sek-Jones

    – Manning, Benning, Talbot, Spooner, Gravel, Petro: some combo for an upgrade in Winger rental

    ****END OF POSITIVE SPIN****

    Fingers crossed, sphincter clenched.

  180. workaroundaccount says:

    Jethro Tull: The most poorly kept secret in the CFL was that Chris Jones was biding his time until either NCAA or NFL came a-knockin’.

    As bad a secret as hit drinking problem, and erratic sleep schedule. Screw that guy.

    I do like his systems though. Translateability to american football seems low because you can’t play as many games with LBs and DL switching spots.

  181. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I would think the asking price for Tarasenko would be two first round picks, Yama or JP, and then a dman prospect not named Bouchard. Then round out the cap garbage. I doubt he gets moved now though.

    For the oilers that sounds about right, a gutting for a 27 YO with declining numbers who has never scored at a PPG.

    Ughhhh.

  182. digger50 says:

    knighttown:
    I also know that Edmonton Oilers fans in part drove the rise of hockey analytics.Some of the best minds in hockey started as Oilers fans.I’ve been around the ‘sphere since LT and Ice Dragon roamed hfBoards as moderators.

    So here’s the question…

    The paying fans in Edmonton seem to like and cheer for Lucic more than they should and seem to be tougher on purely skilled guys like Petry and Eberle than the numbers bear out that they should.

    Is this an Edmonton-specific issue in that they choose to like blue collar players or would this happen in almost every NHL town?

    Just a few posts above mine is a comment about how hard Leafs fans are on Gardiner but is this cause he’s analytically (actually) bad or is because he’s optically bad?

    Just my opinion;

    Many season ticket holders in Edmonton worked at some time in the oilpatch or supporting industries. Spent time away from home, remote, cold places, tough places and tough people. They do have a greater acceptance and respect for grit and determination. (I think this applies to most of Western Canada)

    In the 80’s Semenko, McSorley, and McClelland had as many fans as Gretzky. Kids as teenagers wanted to be just as tough as these guys, many even moreso than being as good as Gretzky. Gretzky was routinely booed around the league and it was hard to take when they took up the “whiner, whiner” chant.

    in junior scoring goals was not enough. You needed to fight or use your stick to gain respect. “Slapshot.” would be a good representation of many hockey towns.

    Yes, so values and culture in Edmonton has definitely favored grit. In my opinion, Gretzky was never fully appreciated until after he left town. And that talent along with “those other guys” has spoiled a generation of fans as the expectation of just winning that cup again should be oh so easy.

  183. drglen says:

    This waiver pickup today .. means goodbye to spooner, and probably marody. That’s not enough for anything coming back .. so.. maybe they are going to trade adam larsson

  184. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lucic – everybody loves the heavyweight champ, always have. Even when they’re failing.

    It’s our greatest hope, a GM fan wanting to be on top of the comeback.

  185. LMHF#1 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Standards need to be raised if that qualified as an “outstanding “ deadline.

  186. Professor Q says:

    Wow. Never would have thought I’d be seeing hockey in Sherlock-related series, yet here I am.

    Watching Elementary on Amazon Prime, and in Season 3 Episode 22, The Best Way Out Is Always Through, and Sherlock has a Stanley Cup from an auction site and needs to determine if it’s the real one and has indeed been stolen.

    Very intriguing and entertaining show, by the way.

  187. jtblack says:

    OLD NARRATIVE: “Just get to the playoffs, anything can happen.”

    Let’s examine that further ….

    For starters, of course anything can happen, but I am trying to lay out probabilities. Could Lucic get hot and score 30 this year? he could? Turkeys could fly too.

    So back to the Narrative of “Just get to the playoffs, anything can happen.”

    Here are the Cup Winners for the last decade and where the finished in League rank during the season.

    2018 – 6th
    2017 – 2nd
    2016 – 4th
    2015 – 7th
    2014 – 10th
    2013 – 1st
    2012 – 13th
    2011 – 7th
    2010 – 3rd
    2009 – 8th

    So the reality is if a team just squeezed into the playoffs in the last position in their conference and were ranked 14th, 15th or 16th in League standings; They have won 0% of the last 10 Cups.

    0%.

    80% of the winners have come from the Top 8 in League standings.

    L.A. was an outlier both years they won.

    Now that doesn’t mean that some low seeds haven’t had good runs. Probably the lowest ranking team to make the Stanley Cup Finals were the Devils in 2012.

    I guess this leads me back to LT’s philosophy. If we sacrifice the future for a playoff push, given our current standing, there is no way we will be anything more than a wildcard, we have almost no chance of winning the cup just based on past percentages.

    Never mind the fact that the Team isn’t that good.

    That is all.

  188. Zelepukin says:

    OriginalPouzar: Of note, Aberg being healthy scratched for the fourth straight game – after going pointless in 9 and Carlyle publicly citing his compete level.

    Exactly. Still amazes me when people comment on losing him as a bad thing. Every team he has played for it’s been the same story.

  189. Lowetide says:

    Professor Q:
    Wow. Never would have thought I’d be seeing hockey in Sherlock-related series, yet here I am.

    Watching Elementary on Amazon Prime, and in Season 3 Episode 22, The Best Way Out Is Always Through, and Sherlock has a Stanley Cup from an auction site and needs to determine if it’s the real one and has indeed been stolen.

    Very intriguing and entertaining show, by the way.

    Love that show, and Monk before it.

  190. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: I mean they didn’t need a roster spot.No one coming back from injury, etc. As was also referenced in a reply to my post by another commenter hours before your reply.

    They recalled Cehlarik today and have a full 23 man roster – as it turns out, yes, they did need to make a move.

  191. hunter1909 says:

    digger50: Yes, so values and culture in Edmonton has definitely favored grit. In my opinion, Gretzky was never fully appreciated until after he left town. And that talent along with “those other guys” has spoiled a generation of fans as the expectation of just winning that cup again should be oh so easy.

    Good argument. Two small points I’d like to make:

    Gretzky wasn’t he impossible to fully appreciate? Wasn’t the Messier line as good as any line in the NHL, yet compared to Gretzky+Kurri however entertaining and outstanding they were, were just another bunch of hockey players?

    What have the Oilers achieved in the past 25 years? Next to nothing, save for a cinderella run that ended predictably when set against all the other cinderella runs. The people of Edmonton work hard and live in a wealthy place and live well accordingly. These current Oilers are run by a bunch of fraudulent hacks who have proven to be nothing less than 21st century snake oil salesmen.

    If Edmonton fans think winning the cup is easy after 25 years of total irrelevance, that would make them insane. Calling them insane, entitled and not grateful enough has been the hallmark of none other than senior hack and full time mean-spirited drunk Kevin Lowe.

  192. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50: Hello Swedish, can you provide any insight into Joel Persson’s season to date?

    Not to answer for him but he has done this a few times. Here is a recent SP post:

    Yeah he’s a top 5 D in the SHL and when he’s on he’s the best in the league imo. I would like to see him bring his A game with a little more consistency though.
    How well he’ll translate to the NHL will be all about how he handles the defensive side. If he bleeds too much no coach will give him enough rope to play the somewhat risky game he needs to be efficient. His positioning is fine, at least on the big ice, and he’s got an ok stick defensively but he gets outmuscled way too easily and that paired with his limited wingspan forces him to rely on his skating and stickwork to bail him out a lot. If he can do that at the NHL level his skillset should get him an NHL spot, starting as a sheltered 3rd pairing and PP specialist but if he translates well and gets the right partner he has enough tools to handle top 4 but that’s in the lesser likely part of the scale.
    If his D doesn’t hold up he should at the very least put up big numbers in the AHL.

    ——————-

    Here are a couple earlier updates from SP:

    SwedishPoster: He’s established himself as a top 4 D in the SHL this season but I wouldn’t count on him being ready for the top 4 in the NHL as soon as next year. At this point in time I’d say he plays the full year in the AHL 19/20. But if he can take a step up in the second half of the season and play consistently at the level he had during last years playoffs I think he might challenge for an NHL spot as soon as next year. For him to handle 2 RD he’d have to take a pretty damn big step though. Seriously doubt it.

    Joel Persson is a better bet to step quickly into such a role, when he’s on his game he’s pretty much the top D in the SHL. If his skills translate, he can be more consistent and most importantly he can handle the defensive side of the NHL game he has the skillset to move up the batting order fast as a Tyson Barrie type player.

  193. Glovjuice says:

    godot10: How is Northern Alberta math-hating? There were, until discovery math,about the Oiler people in the country who could add. (Now no one can.)

    The anti-deficit movement of the late eighties and nineties, when Canada was on the verge of IMF intervention, was begun by fiscally conservative common sense Central Albertans.

    Albertans regularly scored the highest amongst Canadians on international K-12 math tests, until discovery math.

    Yup, so ignorant and miserable. Lots of math needed to build those plants in Fort Mac. Don’t get me started on a post like KTs – I’ll get a timeout from LT.

  194. OriginalPouzar says:

    LMHF#1:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Standards need to be raised if that qualified as an “outstanding “ deadline.

    I don’t agree. Maybe reasonable expectations need to be managed.

    A struggling player with a bad back who, when not playing with McDavid, was a middle 6 winger and a struggling 4th line center who has been terrible on the PK – what type of return should we have expected for these two UFA rentals?

  195. stephen sheps says:

    OriginalPouzar: Of note, Aberg being healthy scratched for the fourth straight game – after going pointless in 9 and Carlyle publicly citing his compete level.

    I did say might 😉

    Honestly I haven’t paid attention to him at all since he was flushed. As you well know, my heart and attention span only have room for 1-2 ex Oilers at a time.

    Anton, I miss you…

    And at least my son is scoring somewhere (though sadly he wasn’t able to hit the scoresheet today against his hometown team. I’m going to have fun with that next Monday for the weekly Yak)

  196. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Nugent-Bowman:

    Lines at Oilers practice:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson
    Lucic-RNH-Rattie
    Spooner-Khaira-Puljujarvi
    Rieder-Brodziak-Kassian

    Nurse-Petrovic
    Jones-Larsson
    Manning-Benning
    Gravel (Sekera)

    ———————–

    Russell wasn’t on the ice – I assume it was maintenance so no need to freak out about Alex P. in that spot.

    We know Kailer was getting lots of time on that Nuge line (as per Wilkins).

    Good to see Sekera still on the ice for practice.

    I’m petrified by the Gravel on the 4th pairing (and Manning on the third pairing) – he may get waived to make room on the roster for the Yamamoto activation – sigh.

    I guess it could be Rattie as well that they look to re-assign….

    Alex Plante. That’s not even funny, OP.

  197. OriginalPouzar says:

    Zelepukin: Exactly. Still amazes me when people comment on losing him as a bad thing. Every team he has played for it’s been the same story.

    I still think it was a mistake not to reclaim him and I mentioned it various times. In fact, when we lost him on waivers I mentioned that it was OK because we could reclaim him when ANA waived him.

    My though was solely to put him in the AHL and use him as an injury replacement to put another body between the likes of P. Russell and Joe G. – non NHL players and players that would have no offensive impact if called up.

    For a team with some of the, if not the, worse offensive depth on the wings in the league, yes, he would have been a nice call-up.

  198. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice: Alex Plante. That’s not even funny, OP.

    3 first round picks (in the top 21) – Sam Gagner, Alex Plante, Riley Nash – that could have been better….

    With that said, looking at the draft, my goodness what a bad first round:

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2007e.html

  199. OriginalPouzar says:

    STL/NYI – Isles still up 1-0 in to the 3rd
    ANA/DET – ANA up 1-0 in the 2nd
    LAK/MIN – scoreless in the 2nd
    TBL/DAL – TBL up 1-0 in the first
    PIT/SJS – Pregame

  200. leadfarmer says:

    Professor Q:
    The Athletic had some trade targets for buy-low candidates.

    If they do indeed end up dangling Puljujärvi, could it possibly be Puljujärvi + for Svechnikov in Carolina?

    Tarasenko and Toffoli could be interesting, also.

    Carolina would laugh at that

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