Game 50 2018-19: Red Wings at Oilers

A year ago, the Oilers entered the break with a record of 22-24-3, 47 points. The team would finish 14-16-3 to land a final record of 36-40-6, 78 points. This year, the 23-23-3 Edmonton club would have to finish (something like) 20-10-3 to make the playoffs (43-33-6, 92 points). That’s not a reasonable goal, but developing young talent and finding value contracts for next year is a worthwhile task. If we reach season’s end with Jesse Puljujarvi, Kailer Yamamoto and Caleb Jones as bonafide NHL players, I’ll consider that real progress despite finishing outside the players. Three value deals (assuming JP signs one) is exactly what this roster needs.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Oilers sign Mikko Koskinen long term, signalling the end of the line for Cam Talbot in Edmonton.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Waiving of Ryan Spooner is another black mark on Peter Chiarelli’s Oilers resume.
  • Lowetide: If the Oilers are sellers at the deadline, expect a Condo of Condors heading north.
  • Lowetide: Jay Woodcroft’s usage of Tyler Benson and other young forwards in Bakersfield is both welcome and encouraging for Edmonton Oilers fans.
  • Tyler Dellow: After 47 games, the Oilers’ 5-on-5 scoring woes stand out.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ way forward and the smartest route to finding an impact winger this summer.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Goalless Tobias Rieder hopes to follow Zack Kassian and Milan Lucic and end his offensive funk.
  • Jonathan Willis: Why the Oilers should make a decision on Peter Chiarelli this week.
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

OILERS AFTER 50

  • Oilers in 2015: 19-26-5, 43 points; goal differential -26
  • Oilers in 2016: 27-15-8, 62 points; goal differential +15
  • Oilers in 2017: 22-24-4, 48 points; goal differential -30
  • Oilers in 2018: 23-23-3, 49 points; goal differential -12

This year’s team is 18 goals better in terms of year-over-year goal differential, so logic and reason suggest the club should have more points banked. That’s why they play the games.

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-5-2, 10 points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in January 2017: 7-3-1, 15 points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in January 2018: 5-5-0, 10 points; goal differential -13
  • Oilers in January 2019: 5-5-0, 10 points; goal differential -6

Edmonton has a chance to close out the month with a win and grab 12 points in January. If feels like this year’s team is destined to finish just a little better than last year, say 82-86 points (I predicted 90-94) this season. This team has been getting hammered from all corners, but aren’t that far away.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN JANUARY

  • On the road to: Arizona, Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • At home to: Florida, Arizona, Buffalo (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: Calgary, Carolina, Detroit (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-2-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-5-2, 10 points in 11 games
  • Current results: 5-5-0, 10 points in 10 games

OILERS PROJECTED ROSTER 2019-20

  • The signing of Koskinen to a new deal gives us the beginnings of next year’s roster. I’ve listed the NHL names here, with RFA and UFA options included (but not counted).
  • Edmonton may buyout Ryan Spooner, Andrew Sekera and some say Milan Lucic. If Sekera is still hurt, LTIR is possible.
  • I think the blue will see Sekera, Russell and Benning out, with a RH veteran and Bouchard or Persson in.
  • I see room for one difference maker, one Nikolaj Ehlers or Tyler Johnson. All of the immediate options, including a laundry list of players from the NY Rangers, are less attractive because contracts are expiring.
  • This summer is going to be about forwards, even beyond that difference maker I’m pushing. Remember when Arizona would sign three fringe guys late summer and one of them would score 25 goals? Edmonton needs to do that, too.

We’ll be talking about this quite a bit over the next week or so, but here’s your first Oilers mock draft of the year.

  • No. 10 overall—LC Peyton Krebs, Kootenay (WHL). Skill forward who can score, he has quick feet and good hands. He’s 5.11, 181, described as having “unique creativity” by HockeyProspect.com.
  • No. 41 overall—L Albin Grewe, Djurgardens (SHL). Fast, skill winger who is aggressive and creative.
  • No. 81 overall— L Luka Burzan, Brandon (WHL). Speedy forward creates offense off the forecheck. Has 26 goals in 43 games.
  • No. 103 overall —R Samuel Fagemo, Frolunda (SHL). Skill winger is a shooter, quick release and great wrist shot. I had him high a year ago, remain stubborn on him.
  • No. 165 overall—LC Blake Murray, Sudbury (OHL). I’m surprised he is ranked No. 111 NA. He has skill.
  • No. 196 overall—G Trent Miner, Vancouver (WHL). He’s having a helluva season.

ASSETS OUT, BAKERSFIELD EDITION

If the Oilers are going to make a trade, suspect picks and prospects will be on the move. Here are the January scoring totals for some AHL prospects:

  1. Cooper Marody 10, 3-10-13
  2. Tyler Benson 10, 1-9-10
  3. Ethan Bear, 10, 1-7-8
  4. Joe Gambardella 4, 4-2-6

I don’t believe Benson is going anywhere and wonder about the trade value of all of these players. That said, Ethan Bear is a right shot defenseman who appears to be over his injury issues. If a team comes calling and Bear is part of the ask, Edmonton does in fact have enough (Bouchard, Persson, possibly Berglund) to make the move.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning, TSN1260 starting at 10. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. We’ll talk Peter Chiarelli and the impact his trades are having on his future and that of the Oilers.
  • Max Bultman, The Athletic Detroit. We’ll talk Red Wings, their season, and the exceptional Dylan Larkin.
  • John Horn, WTA Commentator Tennis Analyst for Eurosport & Ubitennis. Milos is rolling.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. OmJo says:

    McDavid, yesterday, after talking about the fans expecting better: “The only people who seem to believe in us are the guys in the locker room.”

    Yikes.

  2. Drew says:

    the projected roster scares me, hold me please.

  3. zatch says:

    How do we get out of this mess? Why am I still following this team? I’m despondent this AM, crew.

  4. Ben says:

    The Oilers’ team save percentage has been above the average mark just twice in the past decade. Hard to develop good habits in young players when routine saves aren’t being made. By and large, it’s been a critical weak point for a team playing this game of “mostly goalie” (h/t WG).

    I’m not sure Koskinen is the answer (how could anyone be?). The “good” news is a competent GM might be able to sign a backup who’s just as good or better for $1.5M this summer.

    Goilers?

  5. fishman says:

    Do you think that Conners comments about “players shouldn’t be here” was directed at any team mates in particular???? Sad state of affairs!

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    Last game before the 10 day break and does the team, and the fanbase, ever need it.

    The crazy thing is, with a win tonight, subject to the out of town scoreboard, the Oilers can pull within 1 point of a wild card berth – they are only 3 points behind both the 1st and 2nd wild card spots – even games. Of course, there are a few teams in between but man there are quite a few teams in the same tier of suck as the Oilers.

    I think some/many are very indifferent right now or even cheering for a loss tonight for one (or both) of two reasons (a) for a Chiarelli firing and/or (b) to fall out of the race so that a panic trade of future for immediate help is not made.

    I totally get that thought pattern and there is definitely some logic to it but I simply am not on board and will be looking forward to a solid game and hopefully two points tonight. My fear is the trade for immediate help that further propagates that cap hell that Chiarelli seems to make worse every few weeks. Even when the team was in a better spot for the playoffs a bit ago, I didn’t want that type of trade and I certainly don’t want it now. Here is hoping that current management understands the situation and doesn’t do something stupid notwithstanding (a) Chiarelli’s job on the line and (b) Katz’s meddling.

    24 hours ago, I was of the opinion that the Chiarelli firing was imminent but then Koskinen was re-signed and I don’t think an in-season firing will be made. It can’t be that imminent if he’s signing players to material contracts, can it? There is some verbal that Keith Gretzky did the work on this contract but, if Chiarelli essentially has no power left, why would they wait to make it official?

    Anyways, I don’t think there are any extra forwards with Spooner and Rattie on waivers (although they could clear and still stay in the NHL) so I think the lineup will look similar to last game – who the hell knows who will play with who though – Hitchock is the biggest line blender coach this team has had.

    I assume Petrovic will be back in the lineup but, with Jones in the AHL, who steps up to play with Larsson? Gravel? Manning? Yikes.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    Anxious to see if there is any sort of additional roster moves adjustments today.

    Assuming Rattie and Spooner are either claimed (Rattie maybe) or clear and are re-assigned, with Jones down and Petrovic being activated (I assume), the leaves the team with 21 roster players.

    Now, its the last game before a giant break so I guess they could just stick with the 21.
    Sekera could be activated perhaps for the Condors game tomorrow or perhaps the weekend – if he is going to be activated. Subject to application for extension, he can only play 3 games and the Condors have 4 more before the Oilers play Philly.

    Or perhaps the moves yesterday have nothing to do with Sekera.

  8. dinger says:

    The top teams and best competitors seam to have chip on their should and walk with a certain swagger. Some with more poise and tact than others but none the less they have “IT”.

    Not that I would condone violence but maybe it is time for the captain to take matters on his protection into his own hands. Next time he takes abuse like on Saturday or against the LA Kings, cross check the SOB in the chiclets and state that it was a necessary to act then see what the league would do and say. What is the worst that can happen, they miss the playoffs.

    Side benefit is maybe his teammates will see what is needed to gain some respect around the league.

  9. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Ben,

    – Koskinen had a really nice streak which coincided with only Sek missing from our D

    – Put Koski (who has been league average) behind a D that is mostly comprised most nights of bona-fide D, and I bet he will be a lot better.

    – On that note, while I was rarely a fan of Talbot, because he always seemed to get into these long funks, and rarely stole games, and his awful propensity to let in first shot goals, and was not often the better goalie, he will get a chance elsewhere: on a decent team, I bet he’ll be a decent goalie: Dubnyk, and Brossoit being recent examples.

    – Had the chance to meet him this summer at a friends cottage (he’s from the same area as I): Talbot is an awesome, thoughtful, family guy. He just needs to move on, and ideally to the East

    – If Talbot = Koski this year in save percentage, we are looking at about 15 less goals against. That puts us clear by a lot. Talbot played great when the team was healthy, but he wasn’t able to be a plus goalie when other parts of the team weren’t humming.

  10. OmJo says:

    My Draft Plan breakdown goes like this:

    G: Finnish
    D: Swedish; Canadian
    W: American; Russian
    C: Canadian

  11. Dicky94 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I agree. If Chia hasn’t been fired yet it isn’t happening. I’m just waiting for Press conference now when they actually promote Chia to some kind of make belief job and Keith Gretzky takes over. This way no one gets fired and the Oilers don’t look like a complete joke. Bob saying this has been the plan all along.

  12. Bank Shot says:

    Ben:
    The Oilers’ team save percentage has been above the average mark just twice in the past decade. Hard to develop good habits in young players when routine saves aren’t being made. By and large, it’s been a critical weak point for a team playing this game of “mostly goalie” (h/t WG).

    I’m not sure Koskinen is the answer (how could anyone be?). The “good” news is a competent GM might be able to sign a backup who’s just as good or better for $1.5M this summer.

    Goilers?

    Lots of good teams win with mediocore goaltending as well.

    St.Louis was a team that had a good stretch with average goaltenders.

    The Oilers are just hard on goalies. When you go half the period without touching the puck, you aren’t a good team.

    Drafting has killed this team.

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY 19
    SJS 12
    VGK 11

    Central
    WPG 16
    NSH 11
    MIN 4

    Wildcard
    DAL 3
    COL 3

    Out of playoffs
    VAN 2
    ANA 1
    EDM 0
    ARI 0
    STL -1
    LAK -6
    CHI -7

    Relevant games:

    SJS at WSH (WSH -140)
    ARI at OTT (OTT -110)
    CAR at CGY (CGY -185)
    DET at EDM (EDM -150)

    If EDM loses and ARI wins, there will be 4 teams between EDM and the last wildcard spot.

    Surely Pete can’t survive that, can he?

    Rishaug said that everyone outside the org is wondering what they are waiting for (in regards to firing Pete)

    Terry Jones said he can’t be defended anymore.

    Gotta happen soon.

    Also,

    If I had my way EDM would lose 7-5 tonight with 97 getting 5 points.

    Chia gets fired.

    EDM comes back from the break with a healthy Klef, go on a run and get the Wildcard spot that puts them vs CGY in the first round and they beat the Flames in 6.

    Make it happen Karma.

    GOILERS!!

    *clapclap*

  14. OmJo says:

    I said ad naseum this team was going to regret how McLellan handled Brossoit.

    Not only did he play Talbot way too damn much, he played Brossoit way to damn little and we lost a goalie that the organization could take credit in developing for nothing.

    Instead we have a 30 year old rookie locked up at $4.5M for the next 3 years.

    Talbot will go to a competent franchise and get his game back, that I have no doubt about. It’s the Oiler way.

  15. texmex says:

    Then there is this:
    Jonathan Willis Retweeted
    Chris Johnston
    Chris Johnston
    @reporterchris
    ·
    5m
    Mikko Koskinen’s #oilers extension includes a limited no-trade clause.

  16. Ben says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I’ve also heard Talbot’s a fantastic guy, his teammates clearly like him, will be sad to see him go.

    I suspect they may have ran him into the ground a bit in 16/17 through their failure to procure a non-terrible backup.

  17. Alpine says:

    No team in the league is better at convincing themselves that they’re desperate than the Oilers. Why not hold off until Koskinen plays 40 games? 35? At least then you know you can kind of count on him to be a 1b goalie at the low end.

    All we know is that he can play 20-30 games and post roughly average numbers. We don’t know what games 30-50 will look like.

    I’m honestly not sure teams were lining up to give Koskinen 5 mil or anything. Maybe because they don’t make rash decisions off small sample.

    Chad Johnson put up a .920 in 45 games and in 2015-16 and got 1 x 1.75 M. Carter Hutton has seasons of 29 and 32 GP for St. Louis with a .913 and .932 (!) respectively, and got 3 x 2.75 M.

    Yes Scott Darling got overpaid after only playing ~30 GP for a couple seasons. But that should be more of a caution to than an outline to follow for the Koskinen extension. Talbot should probably fall into that territory too.

  18. HugThePost says:

    fishman:
    Do you think that Conners comments about “players shouldn’t be here” was directed at any team mates in particular???? Sad state of affairs!

    I found this comment from 97 surprising.

    Is it a rhetorical comment meant to show the resolve and determination of the guys wearing the sweaters?

    Or is it directed at one or more sources of too much negativity in the room?

    I get the feeling the whole circus is kind of wearing on the young guy; hopefully he can kick back and relax a little bit in San Jose.

  19. OmJo says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I saw somebody on Twitter allude that Friedman alluded that the Oilers make decisions by comittee. That would also fit with Hitchcock referring to Chiarelli and “his guys” making decisions. And “his guys” are Gretzky (W or K?), Nicholson and Katz.

  20. OmJo says:

    texmex:
    Then there is this:
    Jonathan Willis Retweeted
    Chris Johnston
    Chris Johnston
    @reporterchris
    ·
    5m
    Mikko Koskinen’s #oilers extension includes a limited no-trade clause.

    Fuck me. But fuck Chiarelli more.

    And fuck whoever in the organization let him make this move.

    Sigh.

  21. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Yeah OP, I’m with you on this one. I want to see minimal movement in terms of trades. I think the team are what they are, and despite all that they still have a chance at making the playoffs. A win tonight and then getting Klefbom back after the All Star break really helps our chances.

    That said – no selling the farm to try and make the playoffs. I’d rather see if we can make it as is or not at all at this point. I can’t see the Oilers making it past the first round, but even getting hammered four games to zip would be a valuable experience for this group. It would show how far away the group is from finding real success.

    I subscribe to your view from yesterday that by the end of next season, and maybe even more so the season after that we’re going to be in much healthier shape.

  22. smellyglove says:

    We’re not Oilers fans. We’re Lowetidians, a support group for those afflicted with OFS, Oilers Fandom Syndrome.

  23. Alpine says:

    Another comparable. Thomas Greiss had 41 GP, .925 and 50 GP, 9.13 and gets 3 x 3.33 in the middle of that second season. Signed in early 2017.

  24. jake70 says:

    texmex:
    Then there is this:
    Jonathan Willis Retweeted
    Chris Johnston
    Chris Johnston
    @reporterchris
    ·
    5m
    Mikko Koskinen’s #oilers extension includes a limited no-trade clause.

    LOL Man.

  25. smellyglove says:

    Posted late last night:

    If you need to decompress after today, check out this post: https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/edmonton-oilers-bet-big-on-mikko-koskinen-the-three-metre-man/amp

    Something’s been bugging me about the Koskinen deal. The 3-year term for an unproven starter? The $4.5-million dollar salary for a widely inconsistent tender?

    The timing actually. There is no reason to sign Koskinen right now. With several dozen games left in the season, wouldn’t you want to see more of a track record from the Finnish netminder?

    What about Talbot? With the early signing you’re actually signalling to the entire league that Talbot’s going to the scrap heap. If both your tenders are unsigned heading into the trade deadline, at least the illusion that Talbot could be re-signed might snag a desperate GM. Goalies go down may be that Talbot fetches a 6th from a playoff bound club looking for insurance or replacement netminder.

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m not sure where the room for this one difference maker is? $10M to fill 6 roster spots doesn’t seem to include a difference maker to me.

    Of course, there may be the ability to dispose of some cap and, LT, you suggest potential buyouts of guys like Spooner, Sekera and Lucic.

    I’ve put my preferred path forward a few times and we all know I am dead against buyouts – creating dead cap hits is not the way out of cap hell to me. I would let those contracts fall away by their terms if they can’t be moved.

    One of the holes to fill is a 2LW and one of the “buyout candidates” is a winger in his mid-20s with a history of producing as a 2nd line winger in a complimentary role. Yup, he’s been very poor and unproductive this year. With a fresh start next year, training camp with the team, etc. perhaps he “regressed” to historical norms.

    No buyouts please.

    Perhaps Sekera is a solid 2nd pairing d-man for next season – no buyouts please.

  27. OilClog says:

    I need Mikko’s agent to help me with well everything apparently

  28. Ben says:

    I’m stepping back from my Chiarelli/Katz rooted nihilism for a moment to say: man Nuge is having a FANTASTIC year–and mostly away from McDavid.

    He may not be a pure driver, but what a terrific, detailed player. Great skill around the slot, so fun to watch on the back check.

    (I know PC et al are definitely trading him for Ceci in the offseason, but will just really enjoy him until then!)

  29. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OmJo,

    – I agree somewhat, but Brossoit did sh%t the bed when he had a chance, even though he was really thrown to the wolves. That he’s doing well as a back-up on great team isn’t surprising IMO

    – The organziation learned: Koski is the first goalie I can recall who was given a proper camp (played a lot), and then was on a routine of games to start the year, regardless of Talbot

    – Then Talbot starting sh%tiing bed, and Koski won the role on merit

    – So next year, I imagine they find a Koski 2.0 to back-up him up, as well as one of the AHL kids, and that goalie gets better development and treatment to be in a position to succeed

    – When Koski was signed, I was one of the few who liked it, and my caveat was “if they give him the chance to succeed” Organization did have a plan for him, and it worked

    – Do the same next year, and give that goalie the Koski treatment

    – While management is getting slammed for the signing and terms for Koski, I think they arrived at the same conclusion after scouting when they signed Koski: Just as they determined there was no back-up with upside in the NHL they liked more, there was no RFA this off-season they liked more, so they signed Koski now.

    – No doubt his agent said: we would like you to sign him now or we will explore the off-season market, and Koski believes in himself, so you guys decide what you want to do

  30. texmex says:

    smellyglove,

    This is exactly how I feel!!!!!

  31. Munny says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: While management is getting slammed for the signing and terms for Koski, I think they arrived at the same conclusion after scouting when they signed Koski: Just as they determined there was no back-up with upside in the NHL they liked more, there was no RFA this off-season they liked more, so they signed Koski now.

    Why not sign him in a month then? After Talbot has been traded.

    There is some fear at play here.

  32. Glass says:

    @Lowetide – I love that you have Peyton Krebs as the Oiler’s pick in your mock draft. He’s someone this org could use. Young player, named caption in his second full season in the WHL. Having a good year, being the best player on a weak team. It would suck to pass over him and watch him explode in his 3rd season in the WHL.

  33. Andy Dufresne says:

    In 2008, Katz spent $200 million taking over the Edmonton Oilers, a team worth $560 million today.

  34. Sierra says:

    Munny: Why not sign him in a month then?After Talbot has been traded.

    There is some fear at play here.

    I suppose the flip side might also be in play. If they trade Talbot before signing Kos imagine what that contract would like when signed. How much higher than $4.5 would Chia agree to?

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    Puckpedia (and others) are reporting that Koskinen does have a 15 team No Trade Clause.

    No No Movement Clause though.

  36. Sierra says:

    texmex:
    Then there is this:
    Jonathan Willis Retweeted
    Chris Johnston
    Chris Johnston
    @reporterchris
    ·
    5m
    Mikko Koskinen’s #oilers extension includes a limited no-trade clause.

    It figures.

  37. nafnikufesin says:

    The contract itself is the full no-trade clause.

    texmex:
    Then there is this:
    Jonathan Willis Retweeted
    Chris Johnston
    Chris Johnston
    @reporterchris
    ·
    5m
    Mikko Koskinen’s #oilers extension includes a limited no-trade clause.

  38. M00se1197 says:

    Rishaug mentioned that he hasn’t seen this much apathy in Oiler fans. I tend to agree, at least personally. The last month or so if the game is turning, I just turn the TV. Fuck, I even left my fist game at Rogers (the ARizona game) after 2 periods because they were playing so poorly.

    I am almost numb to everything at this point and does anything really matter? They gave Koskinen 4.5MM, ok, but that really is the easiest out of RECENT errors to defend.

    And that is all a scary thought.

  39. OmJo says:

    Sierra: I suppose the flip side might also be in play. If they trade Talbot before signing Kos imagine what that contract would like when signed. How much higher than $4.5 would Chia agree to?

    Koskinen isn’t some world-beater that we can’t walk away from.

    It’s as if his camp said, “look, we’re better than Talbot so give us Talbot money” and Chiarelli just agreed. Even threw in a modified NTC for good measure.

  40. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Puckpedia (and others) are reporting that Koskinen does have a 15 team No Trade Clause.

    No No Movement Clause though.

    Chiarelli is improving. Nice, nice.

  41. Munny says:

    Sierra: I suppose the flip side might also be in play. If they trade Talbot before signing Kos imagine what that contract would like when signed. How much higher than $4.5 would Chia agree to?

    That’s a much easier stare down, as you haven’t given his agent any indication you want to sign him, he hasn’t performed at the level where he can expect to be signed as starter.

    Also you could negotiate the trade and the contract simultaneously… or the contract now and advise the agent you’re not submitting it to the League till the deadline.

    Like I said there is some fear at play here if they felt they needed to do it this way.

  42. OmJo says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    In 2008, Katz spent $200 million taking over the Edmonton Oilers, a team worth $560 million today.

    And people praise Katz for spending to the cap like he’s doing it as charity. Lol.

  43. Sierra says:

    Munny: That’s a much easier stare down, as you haven’t given his agent any indication you want to sign him, he hasn’t performed at the =level where he can expect to be signed as starter.

    Also you could negotiate the trade and the contract simultaneously… or the contract now and advise the agent you’re not submitting it to the League till the deadline.

    Like I said there is some fear at play here if they felt they needed to do it this way.

    Remember this is Chia we are talking about

  44. leadfarmer says:

    So we overpaid the guy and we gave him a contract that is pretty much a NTC. Even if you pick a 6 team NTC close you can pretty much close the market to any potential suitors as vast majority of teams dont want a 4.5 mil goalie

  45. Munny says:

    Sierra,

    Despite popular opinion around these parts, no one engages in actions that directly harm themselves when there are better options available. There is another story here. One that doesn’t entail a Harvard Law graduate having the intelligence of a kindergartner.

  46. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Puckpedia (and others) are reporting that Koskinen does have a 15 team No Trade Clause.

    No No Movement Clause though.

    All this given to a guy that has severely regressed in the last month,and may be on the verge of crashing.

  47. OmJo says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I’d argue they didn’t learn. Talbot started the first 10 of 11 games this season. In October he had a .904 SV%. In November, .846. That’s why Koskinen was played regularly. McLellan again drove Talbot into the ground early in the season. If Talbot didn’t collapse in November I doubt McLellan would have given him more than 1 or 2 looks in that month, too. Talbot’s play forced their hand. Koskinen was more ready for that than Brossoit was.

    What has Koskinen done to hold the organization hostage like that? I ate crow on the initial Koskinen signing – particularly after the preseason he had. But he hasn’t been good enough to make demands like that. Honest question, do you think he would have gotten money, term AND a modified NTC had he gone to free agency?

  48. Durag says:

    Rattie and Spooner clear waivers per LeBrun and Friedman.

  49. who says:

    Still trying to digest everything that happened yesterday. Been travelling the last week so I haven’t seen the last 3 games. Guess that makes me one of the lucky ones.
    They signed the right goalie. I was thinking 3×3 or 2×3.5 so the contract looks a year too long and a million too rich. So very similar to the Russell contract. If Koskinen gives us the same value that Russell has the Oilers will be fine.
    The timing is puzzling. Very small sample size and I think they could have waited another month.
    Also I really was hoping that Chia would be gone after tonights game. Now it seems highly doubtful. That is probably the most disturbing thing about the signing.

  50. Gret99zky says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Ben,

    …is an awesome, thoughtful, family guy. He just needs to move on…

    This can be said about most of the players this organization brings in and struggles to support.

  51. Munny says:

    Durag:
    Rattie and Spooner clear waivers per LeBrun and Friedman.

    Pretty sure that was the plan…. now they can get into games more regularly. The question is, how much ice time do you give them down there? We don’t want them eating up minutes that would go to Benson and Marody.

  52. godot10 says:

    Ben:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I’ve also heard Talbot’s a fantastic guy, his teammates clearly like him, will be sad to see him go.

    I suspect they may have ran him into the ground a bit in 16/17 through their failure to procure a non-terrible backup.

    They had a non-terrible backup. And a coach incapable of properly managing goaltenders.

  53. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny:
    Sierra,

    Despite popular opinion around these parts, no one engages in actions that directly harm themselves when there are better options available.There is another story here.One that doesn’t entail a Harvard Law graduate having the intelligence of a kindergartner.

    Pete got his undergrad at Harvard.

    His law degree is from University of Ottawa.

  54. Alpine says:

    Sierra: I suppose the flip side might also be in play. If they trade Talbot before signing Kos imagine what that contract would like when signed. How much higher than $4.5 would Chia agree to?

    What team is gonna go that high on Koskinen? Halak’s only two years older and got 2 x 2.75 and played 54 games last year with .908. Bernier got 3 x 3 after a some decent seasons as a consistent 1B goalie. Steve Mason, an actual proven starter, got 2 years x 4 mil in 2017.

    CAR got burned badly giving Darling a starter’s deal and Talbot didn’t work out for more than one season in his starter. These deals don’t seem to work lately so I don’t know why a team would want to do it with a guy who has a tiny NHL track record like Koskinen.

  55. godot10 says:

    texmex:
    Then there is this:
    Jonathan Willis Retweeted
    Chris Johnston
    Chris Johnston
    @reporterchris
    ·
    5m
    Mikko Koskinen’s #oilers extension includes a limited no-trade clause.

    The term and dollar figures, I can live with. Trade restriction clauses, I cannot. WTF, Pete?

  56. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Pete got his undergrad at Harvard.

    His law degree is from University of Ottawa.

    Thanks. The point still stands.

  57. Professor Q says:

    texmex:
    Then there is this:
    Jonathan Willis Retweeted
    Chris Johnston
    Chris Johnston
    @reporterchris
    ·
    5m
    Mikko Koskinen’s #oilers extension includes a limited no-trade clause.

    I try to be like OP and have that optimism but sometimes it is super hard.

    I really don’t know anymore. How can so many people in charge be so incompetent, repeatedly, when things seem so obvious? It’s just not fair to us as fans.

  58. Pescador says:

    godot10: The term and dollar figures, I can live with.Trade restriction clauses, I cannot.WTF, Pete?

    I’m surprised that you seem surprised.
    Can we just refer to our GM as WTF Pete?

  59. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny:
    Sierra,

    Despite popular opinion around these parts, no one engages in actions that directly harm themselves when there are better options available.There is another story here.One that doesn’t entail a Harvard Law graduate having the intelligence of a kindergartner.

    He is also doing the *exact* same things that got him fired in BOS.

    Too much $ and term (and trade protection) to players who don’t require it.

    Pissing away of higher end assets.

    All of this is already on his resume.

    In one of the first threads here after Pete got hire I was quite bullish on him BECAUSE he had made these mistakes and I assumed he had learned from his mistake.

    Unfortunately no degree guarantees the ability to self evaluate and learn from mistakes.

  60. flyfish1168 says:

    I like to negotiate a contract with PC, maybe having every players water bottles ready every practice and game. I’m sure I can get more than what I’m making now.

  61. HugThePost says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He is also doing the *exact* same things that got him fired in BOS.

    Too much $ and term (and trade protection)to players who don’t require it.

    Pissing away of higher end assets.

    All of this is already on his resume.

    In one of the first threads here after Pete got hire I was quite bullish on him BECAUSE he had made these mistakes and I assumed he had learned from his mistake.

    Unfortunately no degree guarantees the ability to self evaluate and learn from mistakes.

    It makes me wonder why is Chia so un-fireable?

    Do the BOTB just like having someone like him around to take all the heat from media and fans?

  62. flyfish1168 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He is also doing the *exact* same things that got him fired in BOS.

    Too much $ and term (and trade protection)to players who don’t require it.

    Pissing away of higher end assets.

    All of this is already on his resume.

    In one of the first threads here after Pete got hire I was quite bullish on him BECAUSE he had made these mistakes and I assumed he had learned from his mistake.

    Unfortunately no degree guarantees the ability to self evaluate and learn from mistakes.

    Old habits are hard to break for some people

  63. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OmJo:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Honest question, do you think he would have gotten money, term AND a modified NTC had he gone to free agency?

    – I honestly don’t know. If he plays well down the stretch and steps up if they make playoffs, or if he sh$ts the bed, and the team is in flames, or somewhere down the middle

    Who else is RFA this summer (in order based on current salary):

    1) Bobrovsky: going to get $8MM +, would never sign here
    2) Varmalov: paid $5.9MM this year: no way he comes here
    3) Smith: nope
    4) Howard – paid $5.2MM: will stay in East, 35 years old
    5) Cam Ward – sure as a back-up for $2MM
    6) Elliot – Injured, not a starting goalie anymore
    7) Neurith – nope
    8) Nillsson: been there done that, won’t sign here, I like koski more
    9) Miller: sure as 40 year old back up
    10) Johnson – nope
    11) Mrzaket – nope
    12) Lehner – maybe, but doubt he signs here

    – So I don’t really see a pending G that makes more sense than Koski, and we don’t know what we don’t know. Koski is one of the few that over-achieved: we can argue sematics, terms etc

    – Agent says: we need to know by all-star break if you guys are signing him, or we are testing free-agency. What would you do? Besides pay less and give less term because Chia?

    – Koski is a starter next year on a team on merit: I don’t know what he’d fetch in an auction when there are a dearth of goalies with upside that are available

  64. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    OmJo:
    I said ad naseum this team was going to regret how McLellan handled Brossoit.

    Not only did he play Talbot way too damn much, he played Brossoit way to damn little and we lost a goalie that the organization could take credit in developing for nothing.

    Instead we have a 30 year old rookie locked up at $4.5M for the next 3 years.

    Talbot will go to a competent franchise and get his game back, that I have no doubt about. It’s the Oiler way.

    Absolutely. Another asset lost to poor decision-making.

  65. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    OmJo: Fuck me. But fuck Chiarelli more.

    And fuck whoever in the organization let him make this move.

    Sigh.

    True dat!
    But…if Koskinen can’t play as a starter at that cap hit, who would trade FOR him.

  66. Gret99zky says:

    HugThePost: I get the feeling the whole circus is kind of wearing on the young guy; hopefully he can kick back and relax a little bit in San Jose.

    In a dream world Connor goes to the All-Star games and convinces these high level players to consider joining the Oilers for some Stanley Cup Dynasty action.

    In the real world the players tell Connor to get out of that Mickey Mouse organization and think about his options.

  67. Buddy says:

    smellyglove:
    Posted late last night:

    If you need to decompress after today, check out this post: https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/edmonton-oilers-bet-big-on-mikko-koskinen-the-three-metre-man/amp

    Something’s been bugging me about the Koskinen deal. The 3-year term for an unproven starter? The $4.5-million dollar salary for a widely inconsistent tender?

    The timing actually. There is no reason to sign Koskinen right now. With several dozen games left in the season, wouldn’t you want to see more of a track record from the Finnish netminder?

    What about Talbot? With the early signing you’re actually signalling to the entire league that Talbot’s going to the scrap heap. If both your tenders are unsigned heading into the trade deadline, at least the illusion that Talbot could be re-signed might snag a desperate GM. Goalies go down may be that Talbot fetches a 6th from a playoff bound club looking for insurance or replacement netminder.

    I think the timing makes a lot of sense if it wasn’t Chiarelli that made the deal. Yes, the overpayment and NTC looks like Chiarelli, but not the rest of it.

    The signing came a day after Talbot let in a goal on the first shot in the first minute for the 40th time in the last two seasons (I’m going on memory here), in a game the Oilers had to win. The timing makes perfect sense if in large measure it was meant to teach Talbot a lesson. Hmm, is there anyone in Katz’s advisory group who might make a decision because he was angry?

    The timing also makes sense as a PR move for Tier 1 fans — we’ve got next year covered. Well, that is, makes sense if you’ve been up all night brainstorming and had about ten too many along the way.

  68. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    smellyglove:
    Posted late last night:

    If you need to decompress after today, check out this post: https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/edmonton-oilers-bet-big-on-mikko-koskinen-the-three-metre-man/amp

    Something’s been bugging me about the Koskinen deal. The 3-year term for an unproven starter? The $4.5-million dollar salary for a widely inconsistent tender?

    The timing actually. There is no reason to sign Koskinen right now. With several dozen games left in the season, wouldn’t you want to see more of a track record from the Finnish netminder?

    What about Talbot? With the early signing you’re actually signalling to the entire league that Talbot’s going to the scrap heap. If both your tenders are unsigned heading into the trade deadline, at least the illusion that Talbot could be re-signed might snag a desperate GM. Goalies go down may be that Talbot fetches a 6th from a playoff bound club looking for insurance or replacement netminder.

    The timing and handling of this extension is truly baffling (not mentioning term and $). As per the mentioned points above…

    PLUS they could have had the two goalies “battle it out/compete” for the next contract hence increasing the likelihood of a hard working tandem to the playoffs/into the playoff or at LEAST to the trade deadline to up possible trade value.

    PLUS they are “super nice” and tell Talbot he is on the “out” and then get him dressed to start another game right after that…WHY??!!??? Why not wait at least until the all-star break and have his competition level up full tilt for HIS team.

    Oilers management is a continuous parade of ass clowns.

  69. New Improved Darkness says:

    At any given point in time, the team has a history of N failed managers, and N-1 failed manager–replacement cycles.

    I’m almost expecting the second number to overtake the first (this dysfunctional ship will figure out a way, somehow, plain as day, whenever I inhale the fumes in the room).

    Meanwhile, we can all continue to give the current failed management cycle a triple-F double-minus, and the forthcoming management replacement cycle a triple-A double-plus—on past merit, I suppose, though personally I can’t see it.

    Will this confounding psychological gap ever close? Perhaps when N crests into double digits, inference to opposite poles from N and N-1 will finally begin to seem less enticing.

    The difference is the greedy algorithm as conveyed in Getting Things Done by Dave Allen—always focus on your next step.

    If you see the next step as fire first, hire later, the next step can’t be wrong as the current hire is surely a ding dong. And we should load Chia onto a malfunctioning transporter pad and transport him into the sun ASAP.

    But if you see the next step as hire first (behind the scenes), and fire later (only to finally make Chia’s replacement official), then the next step—on past evidence—can barely be any righter, as the next hire is almost as surely another ding dong. And we should not load Chia onto a malfunctioning transporter pad until his incoming replacement the next pad over arrives without wearing his ass for a hat.

    And this from a group of fans who worship Connor’s ability to see five moves ahead on the playing surface.

    Kirk: Well, Scotty, is the transporter system working again, or isn’t it?

    Scotty: Depends, captain, on how much you care about the cargo …

    Kirk: [face palm] So what you’re telling me again is that the transporter is perfectly good for shipping the trash, but replenishing supplies is a total crap shoot?

    Scotty: Aye, captain. We’re A-okay for running a clean ship.

    Kirk: A clean ghost ship.

    Scotty: Aye, captain, a clean ghost ship.

  70. Dustylegnd says:

    I see room for one difference maker, one Nikolaj Ehlers or Tyler Johnson. All of the immediate options, including a laundry list of players from the NY Rangers, are less attractive because contracts are expiring.

    Tyler Johnson has a Full No Trade Clause through June 2021

  71. HugThePost says:

    Gret99zky: In a dream world Connor goes to the All-Star games and convinces these high level players to consider joining the Oilersfor some Stanley Cup Dynasty action.

    In the real world the players tell Connor to get out of that Mickey Mouse organization and think about his options.

    Bingo.

    I don’t even think it’ll be the first time hearing those things if Connor goes to San Jose and talks to his fellow stars who are on successful stable teams elsewhere.

    Bobby Orr knows a thing or two about a superstar hockey career cut way too short. He also knows a thing or two about how much of a shitshow the Oilers are from dealing with them as Taylor’s agent.

    His job is to maximize 97’s earnings and happiness to a certain extent. Connor is getting paid handsomely here but his endorsements would expand if he were in a large market.

    And the other point is a little bit of an elephant in the room but I wonder just how happy Connor is being an Oiler?

  72. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    A transcript of McKenzie on Vancouver radio:

    https://www.nicholsonhockey.com/archives/2019/1/22/mckenzie-rocket-ride-to-hell-for-edmonton-oiler-fans?format=amp&__twitter_impression=true

    Juicy part:

    “Because everybody makes mistakes. Not everybody turns out. You have to deal in volume and you’ve got to hope at the end you’re on the right side of the ledger.

    “I don’t ever recall a situation where you go transaction-by-transaction where the team – in this case the Oilers – comes out on the wrong side of it so clearly just about every time. I don’t ever recall a situation like that, and especially for a guy like Peter Chiarelli, who has been a very well-respected guy in the National Hockey League.

    “So it’s got to be tough on him. It’s got to be tough on Oilers’ ownership/management. It’s got to be even tougher on their fans.

    Hey Russ99 I guess Bob McKenzie is just an Oiler fan creating a narrative eh?

  73. McSorley33 says:

    Again, even in Winnipeg – they are questioning why Peter Chiarelli is allowed to carry on here.

    The focus is actually shifting to Darryl Katz.

    How can this management crew be allowed to keep harming the team?

    As for Terry Jones – his article is months too late.

  74. texmex says:

    Oilers vs Detroit:

    RNH-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Khaira-Draisaitl-Chiasson
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Spooner-Cave-Yamamoto

    Nurse-Larsson
    Russell-Benning
    Manning-Petrovic

    Koskinen

    Spooner staying with the big club. No Reider?

    As per Jack Michaels

  75. Gret99zky says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Pete got his undergrad at Harvard.

    His law degree is from University of Ottawa.

    And also, what’s the kindergartener’s trade history?

  76. OmJo says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: Agent says: we need to know by all-star break if you guys are signing him, or we are testing free-agency. What would you do? Besides pay less and give less term because Chia?

    Then I’d let him test free agency. Well, I’d actually try to trade him but forgot he has a NMC this season. I’d rather Lehner or Mrazek, to be honest. Always liked Lehner and Mrazek is young enough to still return to his early Detroit form. Both are much more proven at the NHL level.

  77. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    New Improved Darkness,

    – Awesome: I get it.

    – I’d add Kirk: he’d find a hot alien give her the calendar look, make-out session which helps solve all the problems: short skirt hotty heroine in one arm, while throwing a timely knock-out punch

    – Spock shakes head at his illogical brashness. Bones gets mad at James T Kirk’s swagger

  78. elgruntus says:

    HugThePost:

    Do the BOTB just like having someone like him around to take all the heat from media and fans?

    Didnt we Lowetidians say the same thing about Tambelini?

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m guessing Rieder is banged up or sick but maybe he’s a healthy scratch?

    If Spooner is going to play, he should be in the top 6 – he’s got a history of scoring at 2nd line rates in the NHL – I don’t see why the coach won’t put the player in a position to succeed.

  80. Oilin4 says:

    Thought experiment.

    Conditions:

    Owner demands the Oilers make the playoffs or heads will roll because he needs money.
    GM overcommits to a goalie for a large amount of money

    Possibility:
    Oilers miss the playoffs this year because said goalie plays like garbage.

    Conclusion:
    Although this should have happened years ago for actual logic, using Katz logic this may actually get this bum fired.

    Maybe we can even use our other compliance buy out on this.

  81. tileguy says:

    Just spit balling here but, can Miko be traded this year, perhaps with added value because he is signed for the next 3 years? The big if here would be Cam bouncing back strong in the second half. Because of his hot and cold play Cam gets signed at 3-3.5M. and Miko because of his perceived value brings in a bigger fish at the trade deadline. Pete, you magnificent bastard!

  82. Darth Tu says:

    Anyone here that’s been watching Condors games…

    Are any of the Goalie prospects down there ready to step up and be backups at the NHL level next year?

  83. OmJo says:

    tileguy:
    Just spit balling here but, can Miko be traded this year, perhaps with added value because he is signed for the next 3 years? The big if here would be Cam bouncing back strong in the second half. Because of his hot and cold play Cam gets signed at 3-3.5M. and Miko because of his perceived value brings in a bigger fish at the trade deadline. Pete, you magnificent bastard!

    He has a NMC, so no. Even if another team was willing to take on his contract for the next 3 years.

  84. OilersFuture says:

    OmJo:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I saw somebody on Twitter allude that Friedman alluded that the Oilers make decisions by comittee. That would also fit with Hitchcock referring to Chiarelli and “his guys” making decisions. And “his guys” are Gretzky (W or K?), Nicholson and Katz.

    If you go to the Oiler’s management page – https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/coaches-management. They are all very unclear titles. This is completely abnormal from most hockey organizations.

    I look at the organization and I honestly do not know where to place the blame. Let’s say that Gretzky, Nicholson and Lowe are not making hockey decisions. In my opinion, there are 3 non-coaching areas for a team; i. Hockey Operations, ii. Pro & Amateur Scouting iii. Player Development

    For the Koskinen contract for example. Outside of Chiarelli I should know who ‘signed off on the deal’. I would assume that Chiarelli, MacTavish, Gretzky & Scott would have all needed to sign off and possibly Howson, Green & Sutter having a say. That’s just a simple contract negotiation and it doesn’t include the board which has W Gretzky, Lowe and Nicholson. All of those people (with the exception fo junior Gretzky) had ties to the Oilers organization BEFORE Chiarelli.

    Scouting should be separate from the Hockey Operations and Player Development. It should be about finding good players NOT currently in your organization.
    Hockey Operations should be separate from player development and scouting,. It should be about optimizing your team; analytics, cap management, team video scouting (evaluating your team and opponents team), coaching, minor league systems.
    Player Development should be separate from Hockey Operations and external scouting. It should be about scouting your players, skill development of your players, communication with your players and emotional/mental wellness of your players. And determining when players procured by your scouts and hockey operations group have failed or succeeded. For example – there should be a report on why Ryan Spooner has not succeeded as an Oiler.

    All of these groups should have minimal impact into the other group. They don’t have a person that leads a group well. This is how poorly ran organizations work. This, is where the Oilers are failing as an organization and will continue to fail as an organization until real change is made. No respectable hockey man is going to come here unless he can clean house.

    If this were a company, they would be bankrupt. /rant

  85. npanciroli says:

    My thoughts on the Koskinen signing are it doesn’t matter because we aren’t competing in the next 3 years anyways.

    I’m more concerned with Chia trading away young assets and picks because it becomes way harder to turn it around for the next GM without those.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m not sure what this coach has against Kevin Gravel…..

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    “Both guys are on competitive notice” – Coach on Spooner and Rattie

    His issue with them has been “the work” and not putting it in.

  88. texmex says:

    npanciroli,

    Sad, but more than likely, TRUE.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Coach says the Caleb Jones hit the wall which is why he was re-assigned and not just moved to the 3rd pairing.

    He needs to “catch his breath, play hockey and then come back up – its not long term”

  90. Scungilli Slushy says:

    fishman:
    Do you think that Conners comments about “players shouldn’t be here” was directed at any team mates in particular???? Sad state of affairs!

    No, Connor was asked if the ‘room’ believed they could get into the playoffs, and he replied if anyone didn’t believe that they should go.

    He also said he feels the ‘room’ believes in themselves, vibe is good. And that no one else believes in them. Might be true.

  91. Dustylegnd says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Last game before the 10 day break and does the team, and the fanbase, ever need it.

    The crazy thing is, with a win tonight, subject to the out of town scoreboard, the Oilers can pull within 1 point of a wild card berth – they are only 3 points behind both the 1st and 2nd wild card spots – even games. Of course, there are a few teams in between but man there are quite a few teams in the same tier of suck as the Oilers.

    Dom Luszczyszyn playoff probability update as of this am….Oilers 22%

    The projections are based on 50,000 simulations of the remainder of the season, which factors in each team’s projected strength, current health, and their strength of schedule (which includes opponent strength, venue and rest). You can read more about the model here.

  92. tileguy says:

    OmJo: He has a NMC, so no. Even if another team was willing to take on his contract for the next 3 years.

    You don’t think he would waive the NMC to get out of here?

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tonight’s Game of interest:

    ARI/OTT – Go Ottawa

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dustylegnd: Dom Luszczyszyn playoff probability update as of this am….Oilers 22%

    The projections are based on 50,000 simulations of the remainder of the season, which factors in each team’s projected strength, current health, and their strength of schedule (which includes opponent strength, venue and rest). You can read more about the model here.

    Yes, I know all about Dom’s model.

    What is your point here? That I shouldn’t care any more?

    Two weeks ago, they were near 50% and I would posit that, if they win tonight and their first couple after the break, the percentage would double.

  95. OmJo says:

    tileguy: You don’t think he would waive the NMC to get out of here?

    Well he signed a 3-year contract with a modified NTC so… nope lol

  96. tileguy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    “Both guys are on competitive notice” – Coach on Spooner and Rattie

    His issue with them has been “the work” and not putting it in.

    Ah, so it’s been a work ethics problem all along, perhaps a different coach after seeing the year end/pre season heater would of used a carrot instead of the stick.

  97. PinkSocks says:

    Petrovic in, 2019 3rd and 6th (for Wideman) out.
    Marody in, 2019 3rd out
    Montoya in, 2018 4th out
    Maroon in, 2016 4th out
    Talbot in, 2015 2nd, 3rd, and 7th out
    Reinhart in, 2015 1st and 2nd out

    So, Petrovic + Marody + Montoya + Maroon + Talbot + Reinhart for a 1st, two 2nds, three 3rds, two 4ths, a 6th and a 7th.

    Peter Chiarelli has traded MORE than an entire season’s draft in 3 years for a 3rd pairing D, a prospect, an AHL backup, an NHL backup who is gone, and an AHL defenseman. Even if you wipe out the Maroon/Marody pick cycle, it’s still (1) first, (2) seconds, (2) thirds, a fourth, sixth and seventh round pick.

    Petrovic may or may not sign, Talbot is clearly gone an has not much trade value, Marody may not play 100 games, Montoya is gone, Reinhart is what he is. So the cycle of Pete’s draft picks being sold is essentially an entire draft for a B prospect, 1 good year of Talbot, and 1 good year of Maroon. And 1/4 McDavid years in the playoffs. Deplorable.

  98. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Nor does any degree allow one to see the future clearly and make accurate bets. He has a dismal record in this regard. However it doesn’t mean “he’s a stupid person”.

    My fear–and I expressed this in October–is that he is a desperate man trying to save his job. My feeling is such situations don’t lead to good outcomes.

  99. Munny says:

    OilersFuture: Scouting should be separate from the Hockey Operations and Player Development. It should be about finding good players NOT currently in your organization.

    All teams also use their pro scouts to evaluate their own roster players and roster strengths. Particularly at this time of the year.

  100. jtblack says:

    texmex:
    Oilers vs Detroit:

    RNH-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Khaira-Draisaitl-Chiasson
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Spooner-Cave-Yamamoto

    Nurse-Larsson
    Russell-Benning
    Manning-Petrovic

    Koskinen

    Spooner staying with the big club. No Reider?

    As per Jack Michaels

    JP getting the push. Now leave him there for 6 – 10 games. And get him on PP1. Go all in for his confidence.

  101. jtblack says:

    PinkSocks:
    Petrovic in, 2019 3rdand 6th (for Wideman) out.
    Marody in, 2019 3rd out
    Montoya in, 2018 4th out
    Maroon in, 2016 4th out
    Talbot in, 2015 2nd, 3rd, and 7th out
    Reinhart in, 2015 1st and 2nd out

    So, Petrovic + Marody + Montoya + Maroon + Talbot + Reinhart for a 1st, two 2nds, three 3rds, two 4ths, a6th and a 7th.

    Peter Chiarelli has traded MORE than an entire season’s draft in 3 years for a 3rd pairing D, a prospect, an AHL backup, an NHL backup who is gone, and an AHL defenseman.Even if you wipe out the Maroon/Marody pick cycle, it’s still (1) first, (2) seconds, (2) thirds, a fourth, sixth and seventh round pick.

    Petrovic may or may not sign, Talbot is clearly gone an has not much trade value, Marody may not play 100 games, Montoya is gone, Reinhart is what he is.So the cycle of Pete’s draft picks being sold is essentially an entire draft for a B prospect, 1 good year of Talbot, and 1 good year of Maroon.And 1/4 McDavid years in the playoffs.Deplorable.

    2015 was on a platter for the Organization

    PC entered the draft with
    #1 – GOLDEN TICKET
    #16
    #33
    2ND – Another
    3RD
    4TH
    5TH
    ETC …..
    McDavid Jones & Bear have already played in the NHL.
    Coulda woulda shoulda been an Epic Haul. A Game changer.

    THIS IS US

  102. oilersfan says:

    i asked this question last night and am still considering it..

    would you all consider trading Spooner for Sam Gagner?

    I know neither are Hitchcock type guys but i wonder if Sam wouldnt be a better producer than Spooner?

    I bet he would be the number 4 point player on this team for the rest of this season and all of next.

    He was always weak defensively at center but was rarely tried on the wing here. I would try him with NUge and see how it goes. I believe they jelled well back in the day.

    Same cap hit as Spooner for next year.

    RIght shot, power play specialist, could either do easy zone starts with Connor or Nuge, or play on the fourth line 5×5.

    not saying i would sign Sam for 3 years at 3 million but with the bad Spooner contract i would give Sam a try to end the season and if he does well keep him for next year.

  103. Rich M says:

    McSorley33:
    Again, even in Winnipeg – they are questioning why Peter Chiarelli is allowed to carry on here.

    The focus is actually shifting to Darryl Katz.

    How can this management crew be allowed to keep harming the team?

    As for Terry Jones – his article is months too late.

    Have been saying for awhile that Chiarelli has made his share of mistakes. But the only thing worse than a GM who hasn’t learned from his mistakes is an owner who hasn’t learned from his.

    He’s still getting advice from the wrong people and doing nothing about it. The OBC is the one constant in the decade of doom. The owner doesn’t like the clown show that he’s culpable in creating? He’s worried suite and ticket holders aren’t going to renew? Maybe that’s what’s really needed to get his attention since that’s all that truly matters to him.

    If Katz can’t learn from his mistakes, I’d suggest that until he sells the team, it is going to be difficult to expect any real change in how this team is mis-managed. For everyone who’s ready to crucify Chiarelli for his mistakes (and he’s made a lot in addition to not learning from his mistakes in Boston), you’re not dealing with the problem if he’s the only one turfed.

  104. Ryan says:

    PinkSocks,

    You forgot Aberg for a 4rth round pick lost to waivers.

  105. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Scungilli Slushy: No, Connor was asked if the ‘room’ believed they could get into the playoffs, and he replied if anyone didn’t believe that they should go.

    He also said he feels the ‘room’ believes in themselves, vibe is good. And that no one else believes in them. Might be true.

    What reason is there for a fan to believe in this team when it comes out like it did against Carolina? In the midst of a battle for the playoffs no less.

  106. tileguy says:

    Anybody care to guess why Spooner was elected to stay with the team and Rattie goes to the Bake? Was the real play here having Spooner get claimed? Why did Rattie and his 800k salary not get claimed. Is he poison? Will we ever know? I suppose not as this info will be kept classified Same as who was behing the Reinhart trade.

  107. adamjames2 says:

    I like seeing Jesse up on the top line.. But I can’t help but worry it’s a blatant showcase. He’s still so raw. I can’t help but feel a smart team throws a pick and a questionable former top prospect to grab him and let him simmer until he’s got it all figured out.

  108. tileguy says:

    What would be the more interesting book to read 5 years from now, a case study on how to sink a franchise or, behind the scene, a tell all book by Peter Chiarelli?

  109. Rondo says:

    Hitch is another company man, he thanked God that Peter Chiarelli got those 2 D-men that are 2nd pairing D-men in a push according to Peter C.. He loves the new deal with Koskinen. Another yes man.Must be nice to be in that echo chamber.

  110. OilersFuture says:

    Munny,

    Agreed. But I think their primary success criteria should be finding players from outside the organization and in which case I should have said they have minimal input into the scouting of internal player.

    Because if I’m the GM and I wanted to whether I should resign Tyler Vesel this year. I’m probably gonna talk to the AHL coaching staff & whomever the GM of the AHL team is instead of Sutter, Chris Cichocki or Paul Messier.

    I also think inside the hockey operations group there would be the videos scouts to scout their team and opposing teams.

    My point with the Oilers is there doesn’t appear to be one person that owns a specific area. There’s two many cooks in the kitchen.

  111. Lightgestalt says:

    The thing with the Koskinen overpay is: The Oilers organization is kind of a prison planet: As a player, you go there and your numbers sewered, your value is sewered (concerning next contracts), there’s a good chance you are a damaged good afterwards. Add to this climate, local media, fanbase attention, no playoffs and tax disadvantages, you naturally have to overpay to attract people. Even more so to persuade them to stay once they know the extent of the shit show they’re in. A goalie’s career is even more dependent on the defensive structure surrounding them. Just look how it all went downwards for Halak and Greiss under Doug Weight’s defensive disaster and what kind of contract Halak had to accept as a consequence – the numbers of both have recovered this season. Even with the McDavid factor, pastures are greener everywhere else. There might be no NTC in the whole league the Oilers are not part of.

  112. oilersfan says:

    Does anybody here have the advanced stats searching capacity to calculate what was Koskinen’\s win loss record and save percentage when Klefbom is in the lineup?

  113. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY19
    SJS12
    VGK11

    Central
    WPG16
    NSH11
    MIN4

    Wildcard
    DAL3
    COL3

    Out of playoffs
    VAN2
    ANA1
    EDM0
    ARI0
    STL-1
    LAK-6
    CHI-7

    Relevant games:

    SJS at WSH (WSH -140)
    ARI at OTT (OTT -110)
    CAR at CGY (CGY -185)
    DET at EDM (EDM -150)

    If EDM loses and ARI wins, there will be 4 teams between EDM and the last wildcard spot.

    Surely Pete can’t survive that, can he?

    Rishaug said that everyone outside the org is wondering what they are waiting for (in regards to firing Pete)

    Terry Jones said he can’t be defended anymore.

    Gotta happen soon.

    Also,

    If I had my way EDM would lose 7-5 tonight with 97 getting 5 points.

    Chia gets fired.

    EDM comes back from the break with a healthy Klef, go on a run and get the Wildcard spot that puts them vs CGY in the first round and they beat the Flames in 6.

    Make it happen Karma.

    GOILERS!!

    *clapclap*

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY19
    SJS12
    VGK11

    Central
    WPG16
    NSH11
    MIN4

    Wildcard
    DAL3
    COL3

    Out of playoffs
    VAN2
    ANA1
    EDM0
    ARI0
    STL-1
    LAK-6
    CHI-7

    Relevant games:

    SJS at WSH (WSH -140)
    ARI at OTT (OTT -110)
    CAR at CGY (CGY -185)
    DET at EDM (EDM -150)

    If EDM loses and ARI wins, there will be 4 teams between EDM and the last wildcard spot.

    Surely Pete can’t survive that, can he?

    Rishaug said that everyone outside the org is wondering what they are waiting for (in regards to firing Pete)

    Terry Jones said he can’t be defended anymore.

    Gotta happen soon.

    Also,

    If I had my way EDM would lose 7-5 tonight with 97 getting 5 points.

    Chia gets fired.

    EDM comes back from the break with a healthy Klef, go on a run and get the Wildcard spot that puts them vs CGY in the first round and they beat the Flames in 6.

    Make it happen Karma.

    GOILERS!!

    *clapclap*

    And to this Karma dream I’ll add Katz clears the hockey decks and finds a GM who trades all the bad stuff away and the Oilers are rolling next season, and builds a fantastic organization that dominates for a decade.

  114. godot10 says:

    tileguy:
    Anybody care to guess why Spooner was elected to stay with the team and Rattie goes to the Bake? Was the real play here having Spooner get claimed? Why did Rattie and his 800k salary not get claimed. Is he poison? Will we ever know? I suppose not as this info will be kept classified Same as who was behing the Reinhart trade.

    Rattie was sent to Bakersfield? Can you provide a link? He has cleared waivers. I don’t think he has been sent down.

    Rattie is a top 6 AHL winger. At best a tweener. He is three organizations into his NHL career.

  115. OilersFuture says:

    oilersfan: i asked this question last night and am still considering it..
    would you all consider trading Spooner for Sam Gagner?

    I was thinking about that as well. I think that they should trade Spooner for Gagner. Mainly for their 2nd PP. It isn’t working out here for Spooner. Another option for Spooner would be Smith in Ottawa. Spooner contract is done next year. He’s from Ottawa they need someone that can help; create offense. Smith has an extra year on his contract and makes a little more than Spooner. The cheap owner might want that deal.

    If the team could run a top 9 of this.

    Nuge-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Khaira-Drai-Kassian
    Lucic-Brodziak-Rieder
    Chaisson-Cave-Gagner (You could have this as a potential double shift line for McDavid, Drai, Nuge too) Gagner/Chaisson PP specialists and Cave PK specialist.

  116. --hudson-- says:

    Really refreshing interview with Mikko Koskinen today.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ON7FuyCGI

    The Oilers need more guys like this. He knows what he needs to do to play his game and he’s not afraid to ask for it. Even if that means challenging the coaching staff.

    One perhaps underrated aspect of keeping him around is a connection he can make with Jesse. Not only a fellow Finn but a good veteran player to mentor him.

  117. Caller Zen says:

    adamjames2:
    I like seeing Jesse up on the top line.. But I can’t help but worry it’s a blatant showcase. He’s still so raw. I can’t help but feel a smart team throws a pick and a questionable former top prospect to grab him and let him simmer until he’s got it all figured out.

    Agreed that this looks like a pump and dump, especally after all the media trade buzz last week. Maybe there is a deal already in place with another team “if Jesse shows he can play with skill”. I can see the trade happen during the All Star break to divert the media shitshow that will ensue!

  118. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    PinkSocks,

    – I get the distaste for Chia: the draft picks he’s acquired (you have only listed what he traded) is the other side of the ledger however, (I’m sure I’ve missed a bunch): Moves to dump mostly stiffs:

    – 4th for Marincin
    – Nillsson for Couglin
    – Kassian for Scrivens
    – 5th for Larsen
    – 3rd for Shultz
    – 3rd for Purcell
    – 5th for Nilsson
    – 3rd for Yak
    – 3rd for Davidson
    – 6th for Jerabek
    – 3rd (then Cooper) for Maroon

    – Moral: hard to get better by doing a lot of trades: bunch of garbage in, bunch of garbage out

    – OK, back to work

  119. OmJo says:

    oilersfan,

    Gagner is tearing it up right now… in the AHL. Spooner was producing in the NHL last season. I’d rather just give him a shot on the top 6 because nobody seems to want him even for a conditional 7th round pick.

  120. flyfish1168 says:

    texmex:
    Oilers vs Detroit:

    RNH-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Khaira-Draisaitl-Chiasson
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Spooner-Cave-Yamamoto

    Nurse-Larsson
    Russell-Benning
    Manning-Petrovic

    Koskinen

    Spooner staying with the big club. No Reider?

    As per Jack Michaels

    Lets hope JP stays on with Connor past the 1st period or Leon be wlling not to play with Connor

  121. Dipsy Doodle Dandy says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I honestly don’t know.If he plays well down the stretch and steps up if they make playoffs, or if he sh$ts the bed, and the team is in flames, or somewhere down the middle

    Who else is RFA this summer (in order based on current salary):

    1) Bobrovsky: going to get $8MM +, would never sign here
    2) Varmalov: paid $5.9MM this year:no way he comes here
    3) Smith: nope
    4) Howard – paid $5.2MM: will stay in East, 35 years old
    5) Cam Ward – sure as a back-up for $2MM
    6) Elliot – Injured, not a starting goalie anymore
    7) Neurith – nope
    8) Nillsson: been there done that, won’t sign here, I like koski more
    9) Miller: sure as 40 year old back up
    10) Johnson – nope
    11) Mrzaket – nope
    12) Lehner – maybe, but doubt he signs here

    – So I don’t really see a pending G that makes more sense than Koski, and we don’t know what we don’t know.Koski is one of the few that over-achieved: we can argue sematics, terms etc

    – Agent says: we need to know by all-star break if you guys are signing him, or we are testing free-agency.What would you do?Besides pay less and give less term because Chia?

    – Koski is a starter next year on a team on merit: I don’t know what he’d fetch in an auction when there are a dearth of goalies with upside that are available

    Finally, someone is making sense about the Koskinen signing. So many posters have lost focus on what is the best for the Oilers hockey club. All posters want to do is criticize every transaction that Chiarelli completes. Signing Koskinen was the best move for the Oilers going forward. To get a starting goalie for $4.5 mil per year is outstanding. Review the list provided above, there are no alternatives available…..zero. I don’t understand what benefit waiting until just before the trade deadline comes up to make the signing. Let’s just move on for the Oilers sake and for Talbot’s sake. So many of you are losing hockey perspective because of your dislike for Chiarelli. Yes, Koskinen has only played in 27 NHL games but he has started over 200 KHL games. He has tons of starter experience. Why is this all of a sudden so important. Shouldn’t his ability to stop the puck the most important factor. There are a lot of teams with questionable goaltending right now. Come free agent time there would be a lineup of suitors for Mr. Koskinen. I can’t believe that everyone is bring up the fact that his save percentage has declined in the past few weeks. The loss of Klefbom and Russell will do that to a goalie……every goalie in the NHL would suffer the same fate.

    Ok, I feel much better now. This is the best hockey discussion forum available anywhere.

  122. Dustylegnd says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, I know all about Dom’s model.

    What is your point here?That I shouldn’t care any more?

    Two weeks ago, they were near 50% and I would posit that, if they win tonight and their first couple after the break, the percentage would double.

    Just keeping the blog informed about the realistic chances of making the playoffs…I will post this every day , in the future I will refrain from quoting you

  123. HT Joe says:

    Munny: no one engages in actions that directly harm themselves when there are better options available

    Untrue. I witness it frequently. Don’t you ever see people who can’t be bothered to perform due diligence getting scammed or ripped off? “What were you thinking?” –> “I don’t know”

  124. Professor Q says:

    Caller Zen: Agreed that this looks like a pump and dump, especally after all the media trade buzz last week. Maybe there is a deal already in place with another team “if Jesse shows he can play with skill”. I can see the trade happen during the All Star break to divert the media shitshow that will ensue!

    Or he’s just playing well and his playing well with skill helps the team.

    I’m not too worried. I just want Chia gone.

  125. Sierra says:

    Munny:
    Sierra,

    Despite popular opinion around these parts, no one engages in actions that directly harm themselves when there are better options available.There is another story here.One that doesn’t entail a Harvard Law graduate having the intelligence of a kindergartner.

    And what story is that? The one you and others have put forward that Chia was afraid of not having a goalie, that others would outbid him? I think there is questionable intelligence there as well, which is really what my point is. Unfounded fear is unfounded fear.

  126. --hudson-- says:

    Dustylegnd: Just keeping the blog informed about the realistic chances of making the playoffs…I will post this every day , in the future I will refrain from quoting you

    We’re at a point where a 22% chance of making the playoffs is higher than the actual results we’ve seen. I’ll take it.

  127. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Nurse Russell
    Larsson Benning
    Manning Petrovic

    The coach is not doing Pete any favours. Sneaky Hitch. Maybe he’s actually Dellow in a costume and the real Hitch is in Palm Springs. Payback.

    They’ll be lucky if pairs 1 and 3 see any O zone. But they’ll see lots of D zone.

    – at least that’s what Tych has as pairs.

  128. Darth Tu says:

    Professor Q: Or he’s just playing well and his playing well with skill helps the team.

    I’m not too worried. I just want Chia gone.

    Agreed, the last two games Jesse has looked better effort wise than Chiasson, he deserves a shot on the top line. I don’t think this is a showcase for a trade.

  129. Dr. Taboggan says:

    The Koskinen signing is so demoralizing. Even if Koski plays great for the entire contract the signing will still be bad because at the time of signing he could have been signed for less money or term, preferably both. As of today no other GM would have given Koski anywhere close to this amount of money or term, Chia gave him both. To think that Koski demanded an extension before the all-star break or he would not consider an extension later is silly. It just another panic move.

    I really like Koski, without him we would likely be bottom 5. Still, he is going to be 31 next year with a very limited track record in the NHL, and no track record of playing 50+ games. Huge gamble for a management team that has a long history of poor player evaluation.

  130. smellyglove says:

    Don’t forget the 3rd for Tmac, who was flushed after three seasons with a brutal roster. And a 2nd for Chia to Boston.

    PinkSocks:
    Petrovic in, 2019 3rdand 6th (for Wideman) out.
    Marody in, 2019 3rd out
    Montoya in, 2018 4th out
    Maroon in, 2016 4th out
    Talbot in, 2015 2nd, 3rd, and 7th out
    Reinhart in, 2015 1st and 2nd out

    So, Petrovic + Marody + Montoya + Maroon + Talbot + Reinhart for a 1st, two 2nds, three 3rds, two 4ths, a6th and a 7th.

    Peter Chiarelli has traded MORE than an entire season’s draft in 3 years for a 3rd pairing D, a prospect, an AHL backup, an NHL backup who is gone, and an AHL defenseman.Even if you wipe out the Maroon/Marody pick cycle, it’s still (1) first, (2) seconds, (2) thirds, a fourth, sixth and seventh round pick.

    Petrovic may or may not sign, Talbot is clearly gone an has not much trade value, Marody may not play 100 games, Montoya is gone, Reinhart is what he is.So the cycle of Pete’s draft picks being sold is essentially an entire draft for a B prospect, 1 good year of Talbot, and 1 good year of Maroon.And 1/4 McDavid years in the playoffs.Deplorable.

  131. Alpine says:

    Dipsy Doodle Dandy,

    We DONT KNOW that Koskinen is even a starter! Why do people keep calling him a starter? And why do people keep thinking that the team that continually fucks up with goaltending is going to get it right for once?

    2012: Yeah they’ll get right this time with Dubnyk.

    2014: Yeah, we fixed things with Scrivens.

    2016: Okay, Talbot’s the guy.

    2019: 27 GP from Koskinen? Yep he’s our guy.

    2021: ????

  132. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m guessing Rieder is banged up or sick but maybe he’s a healthy scratch?

    If Spooner is going to play, he should be in the top 6 – he’s got a history of scoring at 2nd line rates in the NHL – I don’t see why the coach won’t put the player in a position to succeed.

    Spooner has been given opportunities,and done diddley with them,at this stage i think his confidence is shot. Maybe a bit of time in the minors would get him pumped back to some semblance of what he was.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sounds like Rieder is a healthy scratch tonight and not banged up/sick.

  134. Oilin4 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    PinkSocks,

    – I get the distaste for Chia: the draft picks he’s acquired (you have only listed what he traded) is the other side of the ledger however, (I’m sure I’ve missed a bunch): Moves to dump mostly stiffs:

    – 4thfor Marincin
    – Nillsson for Couglin
    – Kassian for Scrivens
    – 5th for Larsen
    – 3rd for Shultz
    – 3rd for Purcell
    – 5th for Nilsson
    – 3rd for Yak
    – 3rd for Davidson
    – 6th for Jerabek
    – 3rd (then Cooper) for Maroon

    – Moral: hard to get better by doing a lot of trades: bunch of garbage in, bunch of garbage out

    – OK, back to work

    Good point. He replaced all the lesser picks, but the 1sts and 2nds were not replaced.

  135. --hudson-- says:

    Just looking at the last 10 games played. Calgary is #1 in the league with 17 points, Carolina #3 with 14 (Islanders #2 with 16 points). Didn’t realize the Canes were running so hot right now.

    Detroit is running cold at #26 while Oilers are middle of the pack #16.

  136. Bondo11 says:

    Just finished listening to Ken Holland on Ched. What a breath of fresh air listening to a GM with a plan on how to re-build his team. Draft, develop, and have lots of cap space to keep your options open. He’s very articulate and pragmatic in his approach to re-building his team.

    If the Oilers had Ken Holland 4 years ago, they would be a top ten team easily today and would have made the playoffs at least 2 of the 4 McDavid years. 🙁

  137. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Sounds like Rieder is a healthy scratch tonight and not banged up/sick.

    Maybe the waiver of Spooner and Rattie and then keeping them with the club and then healthy scratch of Reider in place of someone who was just place one waivers is a complex attempt to shake some serious effort into the under-performers….? (albeit, waivers being a risky approach to losing the players)

  138. Primetime says:

    Obviously the term and dollars are highly questionable, but the timing of the Koskinen signing may not be

    1) They are all-in for the playoffs this year. They may feel by declaring Mikko the starter it gives the team and more importantly, Koskinen the clear signal that he is the man going forward. No more guessing games, and players can settle in knowing that Mikko is their man,

    2) Talbot has a modified NTC. Perhaps they have had offers, but to teams that he was not interested in going to. He may have felt he can still win the starters job here, and he also has a young family that he does not want to uproot if possible. However, he needs to play to secure a job in the NHL next season, and to maintain his value. If it’s now clear they are riding Mikko, that may change his plan and he would accept a trade anywhere, just in an attempt to get playing time

  139. Dustylegnd says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Maybe the waiver of Spooner and Rattie and then keeping them with the club and then healthy scratch of Reider in place of someone who was just place one waivers is a complex attempt to shake some serious effort into the under-performers….? (albeit, waivers being a risky approach to losing the players)

    If Spooner had been claimed, the Organization would be doing back flips

  140. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Oilman99: Spooner has been given opportunities,and done diddley with them,at this stage i think his confidence is shot. Maybe a bit of time in the minors would get him pumped back to some semblance of what he was.

    He’s in a challenging spot with unbelievable opportunity. He’s soon 27, young enough to still carve a good career out (barely), and old enough to know better – he’s been around long enough to not have rookie jitters.

    He has the speed and skill to do well in the league, which is moving toward his player type – being smaller is much less an issue every year as heavy play diminishes because of concussion issues and the league getting on hits to the head.

    He has enough ability and speed to become McDavid’s LW for a while. What an opportunity. I can’t understand how players don’t have the motivation to gut themselves to be in the NHL. Things coming down to an effort issue boggles me.

    Rattie I get, he doesn’t have the speed/quickness and it really hampers what he can do. Spooner doesn’t have that problem. I also don’t get how players with skating issues don’t work tirelessly to get better, or actually make getting better happen if they are trying. It is possible to improve a lot.

    Humans are weird.

  141. hunter1909 says:

    Is Chiarelli fired yet?

    When is Katz’s now cool older son taking over the Oilers?

  142. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bondo11:
    Just finished listening to Ken Holland on Ched. What a breath of fresh air listening to a GM with a plan on how to re-build his team. Draft, develop, and have lots of cap space to keep your options open. He’s very articulate and pragmatic in his approach to re-building his team.

    If the Oilers had Ken Holland 4 years ago, they would be a top ten team easily today and would have made the playoffs at least 2 of the 4 McDavid years.

    That makes it sound like he’s staying on in Motown. Maybe there’s a LLoyd Christmas chance at Stevie Y!

  143. Scungilli Slushy says:

    hunter1909:
    Is Chiarelli fired yet?

    When is Katz’s now cool older son taking over the Oilers?

    He could probably use EA NHL in GM mode and end up with a better result.

  144. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Primetime:
    Obviously the term and dollars are highly questionable, but the timing of the Koskinen signing may not be

    1) They are all-in for the playoffs this year.They may feel by declaring Mikko the starter it gives the team and more importantly, Koskinen the clear signal that he is the man going forward.No more guessing games, and players can settle in knowing that Mikko is their man,

    2) Talbot has a modified NTC.Perhaps they have had offers, but to teams that he was not interested in going to.He may have felt he can still win the starters job here, and he also has a young family that he does not want to uproot if possible.However, he needs to play to secure a job in the NHL next season, and to maintain his value.If it’s now clear they are riding Mikko, that may change his plan and he would accept a trade anywhere, just in an attempt to get playing time

    Good points.

    I have less issue with dollars and term than the structure and trade clause.

    I guess you have to treat players with a lot of reputation and track record in the league a certain way. Ughh.

  145. treevojo says:

    Bondo11:
    Just finished listening to Ken Holland on Ched. What a breath of fresh air listening to a GM with a plan on how to re-build his team. Draft, develop, and have lots of cap space to keep your options open. He’s very articulate and pragmatic in his approach to re-building his team.

    If the Oilers had Ken Holland 4 years ago, they would be a top ten team easily today and would have made the playoffs at least 2 of the 4 McDavid years.

    Did he mention his teams have only won 3 rounds of playoff hockey in the last 10 years.

    Next year will be the first year his team won’t be at the salary cap max.

  146. russ99 says:

    Dipsy Doodle Dandy,

    Koskinen’s deal is for 18th in the league in cap hit this year, and will likely move into the 20s next year. It’s not like we’re paying top dollar. He’s a good goalie, this is what good goalies get.

    If this were any other GM/management team making this deal, would there be so much outcry?

    I badly need 10 days away from this mob mentality, this is my last post until the Flyers game. I hope many of you do the same and take a break from feeding the fan frenzy that has no bearing at all on when Chiarelli gets fired (which will happen and we all want) that in the end is counterproductive.

    Go Oilers!

  147. Scungilli Slushy says:

    treevojo: Did he mention his teams have only won 3 rounds of playoff hockey in the last 10 years.

    Next year will be the first year his team won’t be at the salary cap max.

    Same problem as the Canucks. You can’t afford to ride many players right to career end and/or retire them and expect to stay competitive. Most need to go when they have value to restock the cupboards with impact players after years of low drafting order.

  148. Oilin4 says:

    russ99:
    Dipsy Doodle Dandy,

    Koskinen’s deal is for 18th in the league in cap hit this year, and will likely move into the 20s next year. It’s not like we’re paying top dollar. He’s a good goalie, this is what good goalies get.

    If this were any other GM/management team making this deal, would there be so much outcry?

    I badly need 10 days away from this mob mentality, this is my last post until the Flyers game. I hope many of you do the same and take a break from feeding the fan frenzy that has no bearing at all on when Chiarelli gets fired (which will happen and we all want) that in the end is counterproductive.

    Go Oilers!

    Good for you. And this self-righteous post criticizing what people do in their free time is in no way whatsoever part of the problem you claim to have identified and is totally going to help alleviate it.

  149. Bondo11 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: That makes it sound like he’s staying on in Motown. Maybe there’s a LLoyd Christmas chance at Stevie Y!

    He didn’t say specifically that he would be staying on as GM past this year, but did mention that he’d like to leave the team in a good place before he goes? I think Stevie Y is waiting in the wings, probably GM next year….

  150. Primetime says:

    oilersfan:
    i asked this question last night and am still considering it..

    would you all consider trading Spooner for Sam Gagner?

    That would be a fascinating turn of events.

    Wasn’t there a debate on this forum a few years ago as to who to keep, Eberle or Gagner? Someone (maybe Woodguy but not certain?) made a great argument that Samwise could produce close to Eberle’s numbers if playing with the same people at a lower price point. This would allow to sell high on Eberle for a great return?

    Well selling high on Eberle obviously didn’t materialize, but would be crazy if we actually turned the return for Eberle into Gagner himself and put the theory to the test. Or we could wait until the inevitable Spooner buy out and leave the Jordan return at ZERO (less than zero if you penalize for buyout cap hit)

  151. Rich M says:

    treevojo: Did he mention his teams have only won 3 rounds of playoff hockey in the last 10 years.

    Next year will be the first year his team won’t be at the salary cap max.

    This. Holland’s teams won big when there was no cap restriction. It’s a lot harder to be a GM in a cap world. The core of the team that won his last cup was largely in place prior to the cap being implemented. He got very “creative” with contracts that handicapped the “re-build”. They looked good when they were winning, but were boat anchors later on.

    Not saying he’s a bad GM, but he’s not the one I’d hold up as a model in a cap world. His apprentice (Yzerman) on the other hand…

  152. Derek says:

    Can we initiate a hostile takeover of the Edmonton Oilers organization? I’ve got 700 dollars cash money in a sock under my mattress. Now hear me out, I know that’s not alot but Im probably better at budgeting than Peter Chiarelli and I can start a GoFundMe if needed.

    Who’s with me?

  153. Derek says:

    Now that I think about it, I may have to start a second GoFundMe to pay out Lucics contract and convince him to retire.

    That’s thinking outside the box my friends, that’s what I bring to this organization.

  154. Primetime says:

    Primetime:

    2) Talbot has a modified NTC.Perhaps they have had offers, but to teams that he was not interested in going to.He may have felt he can still win the starters job here, and he also has a young family that he does not want to uproot if possible.However, he needs to play to secure a job in the NHL next season, and to maintain his value.If it’s now clear they are riding Mikko, that may change his plan and he would accept a trade anywhere, just in an attempt to get playing time

    Sorry, don’t mean to quote myself, but just saw this on twitter and goes with my point above:

    @TheFourthPeriod
    2h2 hours ago
    More
    Also told Oilers recently offered up Cam Talbot to a non-playoff team in the East, a club they’ve spoken to before about him, as part of larger deal, but seems as though they remain a team he won’t accept move to (he has 10-team no-trade list, willing to lessen it).

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    Alpine:

    All we know is that he can play 20-30 games and post roughly average numbers. We don’t know what games 30-50 will look like.

    We also know:

    – those overall average numbers were made up of a 7-game stretch with unreal numbers and, other than that, below average numbers

    – the goalie does not have a history of playing a high volume of games and has already “hit the wall” once this year as per the coaches verabal (although our coach has said that about 5-6 players now).

  156. OriginalPouzar says:

    Not that I’m one to spin even more negatives towards management than is already out there but one thing that’s been bothering me a bit are these references to Harvard and Chiarelli. For one, his law degree wasn’t from Harvard, it was from the University of Ottawa but, also, the man played hockey for Harvard – I believe he did his undergrad at Harvard based on a hockey scholarship and not based on being accepted in to the Harvard educational system in the normal course. Now, I believe one has to have a certain level of intellect to be offered the Harvard hockey scholarship but my guess, and this is just a guess, the man would not have been a Harvard option without playing hockey.

  157. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Sounds like Rieder is a healthy scratch tonight and not banged up/sick.

    This reminds me of MacT’s last days as coach. Blender, blender, blender… You can’t make chicken salad out of chickensh*t! The roster’s nowhere good enough, and that’s on Chia! Does it really matter if it’s Reider, Spooner, or Rattie that dresses? They combine for about 5 goals and 20 points. The sad part is with our roster, these guys could all be in the top 6 tonight. Unbelievable!! 10 day break you say? Thank you Baby Jesus!!

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy:
    Just spit balling here but, can Miko be traded this year, perhaps with added value because he is signed for the next 3 years? The big if here would be Cam bouncing back strong in the second half. Because of his hot and cold play Cam gets signed at 3-3.5M. and Miko because of his perceived value brings in a bigger fish at the trade deadline. Pete, you magnificent bastard!

    I’m thinking that’s not the plan…..

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu:
    Anyone here that’s been watching Condors games…

    Are any of the Goalie prospects down there ready to step up and be backups at the NHL level next year?

    I’ve been watching – if you are speaking about Skinner or Wells, no, they will be back in the minor leagues next year.

    Shane Starrett has been solid for the Condors and is the general starter (although Skinner just got 2 starts in a row). He could be in the conversation at camp but I would think the organization will have a more experience goalie brought in at camp to battle Starrett for the starting job (and likely be the favorite heading in to camp).

  160. treevojo says:

    OriginalPouzar: We also know:

    – those overall average numbers were made up of a 7-game stretch with unreal numbers and, other than that, below average

    I’m thinking that’s how averages work….

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    npanciroli:
    My thoughts on the Koskinen signing are it doesn’t matter because we aren’t competing in the next 3 years anyways.

    I’m more concerned with Chia trading away young assets and picks because it becomes way harder to turn it around for the next GM without those.

    I believe you are exaggerating the time frame – of course, if management does it right.

    This is a repeat of a post I made the other day as it is in response to your 3-year window:

    ———————-

    Now, the way forward for me is a more patient approach than most. We all know that we are right against the cap and, with current roster construction, that isn’t really going to change when trying to assemble next year’s team.

    Yes, a proven scoring winger or two and a right shot top 4 d-man – those are areas of need. At the same time, there is no cap space to acquire via free agency and, aside from maybe prospect d-men, there isn’t an area of depth to use for trades. Even using something like our first round pick and/or a top prospect – well, if there is a material acquisition, I don’t think there is currently cap space for it with the need for two goalies, etc. I also don’t think the organization should be making that type of trade. Don’t get me started on expansion draft implications.

    What I see is current cap hell, however, I see that being a short term problem. I see only one “boat anchor” contract with material term, that is Lucic. I see the rest of the “boat anchor” contracts expiring within the next couple of years and, within that time, there will be cap space to use for improvements.

    I think management needs to be realistic with the cap situation and the assets the team has to trade in the interim and realize that it simply needs to be smart and potentially opportunistic and, essentially, risk-adverse over the next two years and then things get much better. Within 2 years:

    – all “anchor contracts” except Lucic’s expire

    – at that time, the core of this team will be in their primes – McDavid, Drai and Nurse will be just entering their primes; Larsson, Klefbom and Nuge (if he re-signs) will be in the middle of their primes

    – there is a chance that an incumbent youngster has “popped” – perhaps a turning 22 Puljujarvi has developed in to a top 6 winger or a fantastic middle 6 guy. Same with Yamamoto. Maybe after one year of AHL time Ryan McLeod is ready to be a great 3C

    – Evan Bouchard will likely be ready to be a material contributor on the back end with a fantastic skill set
    – given we have 5-7 prospects that have a real chance to prove they are NHL ready next season, and will be graduating additional prospects to the pro ranks (etc., etc.), there is a real chance of some youngsters on the ELCs being real contributors and providing value contracts. We will be reaping the rewards of better drafting outside the first round and development. Of course, most will not make it but we only need a couple to do so.

    – those developing prospects should lead to having actual NHL ready players playing in the AHL ready for injury replacement – there could be some real depth.

    ————————————–

    By essentially doing nothing, I see cap hell alleviate, our core in its prime, potential depth for the team and for acquisition currency – within a few years.

    Of course, management needs to work to improve in the interim, and that includes trying to rid the team of some of these “anchor contracts” but I don’t believe they should “pay to do so”, I don’t believe they should bleed assets and value just to dispose and to try and hurry up the process.

    Anyways, just my thoughts on the “way forward”.

    Of course, if things continue on their current path, “sell the farm” at the deadline is a good first step.

    We don’t have may impending UFAs with value:
    – Chiasson should get a decent return

    – Gravel should get a mid-lower round pick/B- prospect back (if the coach will play him)

    – I have no idea on the goalies

    – Rieder isn’t a pending UFA so not a normal rental but a team doesn’t have to commit to him, they could just not qualify, so he could be thought of as a pseuco-UFA (although I think he’ll have a bounce back season next year)

    – Kassian, Benning, etc., guys with term, well they aren’t the normal deadline currency.

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: JP getting the push.Now leave him there for 6 – 10 games. And get him on PP1. Go all in for his confidence.

    Puljujarvi also started last game as 1RW – before the end of the first period he had Cave as his center.

    This coach “blends” more than any I’ve seen.

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan:
    PinkSocks,

    You forgot Aberg for a 4rth round pick lost to waivers.

    What about adding Aberg in the first place – for a soon to be UFA, 30 plus year old, 4th line center having a terrible year and being brutal on the PK?

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy:
    Anybody care to guess why Spooner was elected to stay with the team and Rattie goes to the Bake? Was the real play here having Spooner get claimed? Why did Rattie and his 800k salary not get claimed. Is he poison? Will we ever know? I suppose not as this info will be kept classified Same as who was behing the Reinhart trade.

    Rattie is currently still with the team – just not playing tonight.

    Neither was re-assigned after they cleared.

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    adamjames2:
    I like seeing Jesse up on the top line.. But I can’t help but worry it’s a blatant showcase. He’s still so raw. I can’t help but feel a smart team throws a pick and a questionable former top prospect to grab him and let him simmer until he’s got it all figured out.

    Considering he was there for a handful of shifts last game and then was provided with Cave as his center, I’m thinking – not a showcase.

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rondo:
    Hitch is another company man, he thanked God that Peter Chiarelli got those 2 D-men that are 2nd pairing D-men in a push according to Peter C.. He loves the new deal with Koskinen.Another yes man.Must be nice to be in that echo chamber.

    I have learned over the last few months that what Hitchcock says does not necessarily line up with what Hitchcock does.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    oilersfan:
    Does anybody here have the advanced stats searching capacity to calculate what was Koskinen’\s win loss record and save percentage when Klefbom is in the lineup?

    With Klefbom in the lineup: .927

    Without Klefbom: .888

  168. Reja says:

    Dipsy Doodle Dandy: Finally, someone is making sense about the Koskinen signing. So many posters have lost focus on what is the best for the Oilers hockey club. All posters want to do is criticize every transaction that Chiarelli completes. Signing Koskinen was the best move for the Oilers going forward. To get a starting goalie for $4.5 mil per year is outstanding. Review the list provided above, there are no alternatives available…..zero. I don’t understand what benefit waiting until just before the trade deadline comes up to make the signing. Let’s just move on for the Oilers sake and for Talbot’s sake. So many of you are losing hockey perspective because of your dislike for Chiarelli. Yes, Koskinen has only played in 27 NHL games but he has started over 200 KHL games. He has tons of starter experience. Why is this all of a sudden so important. Shouldn’t his ability to stop the puck the most important factor. There are a lot of teams with questionable goaltending right now. Come free agent time there would be a lineup of suitors for Mr. Koskinen. I can’t believe that everyone is bring up the fact that his save percentage has declined in the past few weeks. The loss of Klefbom and Russell will do that to a goalie……every goalie in the NHL would suffer the same fate.

    Ok, I feel much better now. This is the best hockey discussion forum available anywhere.

    Oilers need to go on a heater 33 games still remaining if they make the playoffs they’ll be riding high. Let the new starting goaltender era begin tonight Kos with a shutout to quiet the peanut gallery for a few hours.

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Rattie was sent to Bakersfield?Can you provide a link?He has cleared waivers.I don’t think he has been sent down.

    Rattie is a top 6 AHL winger.At best a tweener.He is three organizations into his NHL career.

    Pontus Aberg is on his fourth organization in less than a year – at the same time, his name is used as another Chiarelli mistake……….. there is the odd “stretching to propagate a narrative” that goes on in Oil Country – its kind of funny as there is PLENTY of real material that such stretching isn’t close to required – still done in spades though.

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    –hudson–:
    Really refreshing interview with Mikko Koskinen today.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ON7FuyCGI

    One perhaps underrated aspect of keeping him around is a connection he can make with Jesse.Not only a fellow Finn but a good veteran player to mentor him.

    Apparently Jesse and Mikko are the two guys that are consistently on the ice well before practice working on their games – very common from what I’ve read.

  171. Oddspell says:

    OriginalPouzar: I have learned over the last few months that what Hitchcock says does not necessarily line up with what Hitchcock does.

    I have literally never encountered a coach who does what he says.

  172. razor says:

    texmex:
    Oilers vs Detroit:

    RNH-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Khaira-Draisaitl-Chiasson
    Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian
    Spooner-Cave-Yamamoto

    Nurse-Larsson
    Russell-Benning
    Manning-Petrovic

    Koskinen

    Spooner staying with the big club. No Reider?

    As per Jack Michaels

    Like the decision to break up the Nurse Russell pairing to replace Jones. Larsson needs some help and both Manning and Petrovic shouldn’t be elevated. Good call by Hitch.

  173. oilersfan says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    that is very helpful information Pouzar, thanks

    also, very hopeful for oilers fans that if our current top 4 (larson, klefbon, russell, nurse) play the rest of this season and next Koskinen could be a .927 goalie…

  174. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    I hope the Oilers smoke Detroit today and get 10 very happy days off. I have tickets to the Flyers game and I want to see Klefbom and I want to enjoy myself. I also don’t want Gritty to go too heavy on me.

  175. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Nor does any degree allow one to see the future clearly and make accurate bets.He has a dismal record in this regard.However it doesn’t mean “he’s a stupid person”.

    My fear–and I expressed this in October–is that he is a desperate man trying to save his job.My feeling is such situations don’t lead to good outcomes.

    I too doubt that he’s stupid.

    He’s not very good at his job though.

    Maybe he should explore this Insurance Law?

    Maybe go back to being an agent?

  176. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Primetime: That would be a fascinating turn of events.

    Wasn’t there a debate on this forum a few years ago as to who to keep, Eberle or Gagner?Someone (maybe Woodguy but not certain?) made a great argument that Samwise could produce close to Eberle’s numbers if playing with the same people at a lower price point.This would allow to sell high on Eberle for a great return?

    Well selling high on Eberle obviously didn’t materialize, but would be crazy if we actually turned the return for Eberle into Gagner himself and put the theory to the test.Or we could wait until the inevitable Spooner buy out and leave the Jordan return at ZERO (less than zero if you penalize for buyout cap hit)

    Yeah, I wanted to trade Eberle for Couturier when Couts was in his 2nd or 3rd season and PHI was souring on him and move Sam to RW

  177. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar: , his law degree wasn’t from Harvard, it was from the University of Ottawa

    Good to know. I was thinking it had to be either Trump U. or U. of Phoenix online.

  178. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    There is some pure gold in that McKenzie interview:

    “I don’t know. Something has obviously got to give because as we’ve talked about, the brand and the image and just the relationship… the fans have completely lost faith, and understandably so because you go through better than a decade of just terrible hockey. Basically from the moment Chris Pronger got traded and the Oilers lost to Carolina in the Cup, it’s been a rocket ride to hell for Edmonton Oiler fans.”

    Rocket ride to hell.

    Yes.

    Yes it has been.

  179. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    If I had my way EDM would lose 7-5 tonight with 97 getting 5 points.

    Puljujärvi five primary assists.

  180. commonfan29 says:

    The Spooner thing would seem to be a clear case of him having been unhappy since the trade and moping because he wants out.

    First they try to trade him and it leaks out that nobody would take him. Now they publicly demonstrate that no team is willing to take him for free.

    The message is pretty clear: If you want out, play better.

  181. Wilde says:

    russ99:
    Dipsy Doodle Dandy,

    Koskinen’s deal is for 18th in the league in cap hit this year, and will likely move into the 20s next year. It’s not like we’re paying top dollar. He’s a good goalie, this is what good goalies get.

    If this were any other GM/management team making this deal, would there be so much outcry?

    I badly need 10 days away from this mob mentality, this is my last post until the Flyers game. I hope many of you do the same and take a break from feeding the fan frenzy that has no bearing at all on when Chiarelli gets fired (which will happen and we all want) that in the end is counterproductive.

    Go Oilers!

    I can respect the idea of taking care of yourself and getting away from negativity that harms your mood/well being.

    I can’t respect the idea of projecting that effect on everybody else and assuming what or how people are feeling from reading what they type.

    I’m the absolute king of bitching over minutiae and I can guarantee you that the gallows humour does nothing but entertain me. I don’t think that that’s unique to myself at all; I’ve talked to many people that would much rather engage in the catharsis of making fun of our cartoonishly incompetent favourite franchise as a group to get it out of their system, than just watch bad hockey week-in and week-out and grumble around. Anyone with a brain can tell by my power-posting here that none of my IRL friends watch hockey so this is all I’ve got and I know I’m not alone there either.

    There’s tons of /actually/ bad phenomena that have occurred from the combination of social media, the internet, and pro sports. Let people have the banter, it’s one of the good ones.

    I’m not trying to pick on just you, by the way, this goes for everyone else in here who might think a comment section on a blog that probably none of the players/coaches/management sift through is hurting anyone when mean things are said.

  182. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I have learned over the last few months that what Hitchcock says does not necessarily line up with what Hitchcock does.

    Hitch is a master, I don’t doubt this for a minute.

    While he has been riding a few players too hard to gain some points, he is also coaching for next year. He can see what is happening, he can see what needs to be done.

    He immediately recognized and promoted Jones. He found out exactly what he needed to see and now he’s giving him a rest. That’s one. Hes still working on Jessie and If he gets Jessie up and running, Yamamoto will be next.

  183. digger50 says:

    commonfan29:
    The Spooner thing would seem to be a clear case of him having been unhappy since the trade and moping because he wants out.

    First they try to trade him and it leaks out that nobody would take him. Now they publicly demonstrate that no team is willing to take him for free.

    The message is pretty clear: If you want out, play better.

    I think you make a lot of sense.

  184. digger50 says:

    With Peter still in place, and potentially active, the gun sights may have to be raised to Burger Bob.

    Actually, I care little about a rich owner drinking wine with his buddies – that’s what I would do. (maybe minus the wine)

    Owner did go out and find what he believed to be competent folks to run the club. One of those guys, soon to be known as “The Paperclip GM,” has thoroughly damaged the team. The other guy seems to not have the ability or will to put a stop to it.

    Its all happening on your watch Bob, right in front of your eyes.

  185. Wolfpack says:

    It’s 2am. The bar is about to close, and you have drank ten beer, six shooters and spilled a vodka paralyzer all over the front of your pants. Your wing-man has already left with the hottest girl in the club. Your 62 year old high school drama teacher is drooling on the bar, her dentures resting in her glass of sangria. She has had her hand on your ass for the past ten minutes. You are 95% likely to end up back at her trailer with her.

    You, my friend, are the Edmonton Oilers.

  186. digger50 says:

    Reja: Oilers need to go on a heater 33 games still remaining if they make the playoffs they’ll be riding high. Let the new starting goaltender era begin tonight Kos with a shutout to quiet the peanut gallery for a few hours.

    That would be nice.

    Ill be watching and hoping for that 22% chance. And hoping to see to see something from the Yammer tonight.

    I am kind of expecting a McDavid show tonight though, just feels like hes due.

  187. RonnieB says:

    An article posted on theScore ( Koskinen extension compounds Oilers’ cap issues, mediocrity in net ) does a good job outlining the problems with the new contract.

  188. McSorley33 says:

    Wolfpack,

    Post of the day!

  189. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    commonfan29:
    The Spooner thing would seem to be a clear case of him having been unhappy since the trade and moping because he wants out.

    First they try to trade him and it leaks out that nobody would take him. Now they publicly demonstrate that no team is willing to take him for free.

    The message is pretty clear: If you want out, play better.

    Yeah, it looks like the ol’

    Agent “trade my guy”

    GM “I can’t give him away”

    Agent “bullshit”

    GM “Ok then”

    Seems to happen a lot to Pete.

  190. digger50 says:

    Wolfpack:
    It’s 2am. The bar is about to close, and you have drank ten beer, six shooters and spilled a vodka paralyzer all over the front of your pants. Your wing-man has already left with the hottest girl in the club. Your 62 year old high school drama teacher is drooling on the bar, her dentures resting in her glass of sangria. She has had her hand on your ass for the past ten minutes. You are 95% likely to end up back at her trailer with her.

    You, my friend, are the Edmonton Oilers.

    Nope, Oilers only have a 22% chance so….

    But hey if you are 65 years old, things are looking okay!

    Edit: For some strange reason I feel the strong need to clarify that I’m not 65 and have not had the urge for my drama teacher. Just sayin.

  191. Munny says:

    OilersFuture: My point with the Oilers is there doesn’t appear to be one person that owns a specific area. There’s two many cooks in the kitchen.

    I don’t doubt that for a moment… or too many chefs and not enough cooks, something like that.

  192. treevojo says:

    Wolfpack:
    It’s 2am. The bar is about to close, and you have drank ten beer, six shooters and spilled a vodka paralyzer all over the front of your pants. Your wing-man has already left with the hottest girl in the club. Your 62 year old high school drama teacher is drooling on the bar, her dentures resting in her glass of sangria. She has had her hand on your ass for the past ten minutes. You are 95% likely to end up back at her trailer with her.

    You, my friend, are the Edmonton Oilers.

    No

    If your the Edmonton Oilers.

    You end up being the 5% that get rejected by the drama teacher as she sobers up and you end up sleeping alone in your van down by the river.

  193. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dustylegnd: Just keeping the blog informed about the realistic chances of making the playoffs…I will post this every day , in the future I will refrain from quoting you

    No, no need to refrain – I was maybe misinterpreting your intent and thought it was a passive aggressive comment to me about still watching the out of town scoreboard and looking forward to Oiler games.

  194. Alpine says:

    Is Koskinen really in the top 20 goalies in the league though? We won’t know that for another calendar year because he doesn’t have the track record. There’s like probably 10-15 part-time starters or high end backups that would have more of a claim to being in the top 30 than him.

  195. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Nurse Russell
    Larsson Benning
    Manning Petrovic

    The coach is not doing Pete any favours. Sneaky Hitch. Maybe he’s actually Dellow in a costume and the real Hitch is in Palm Springs. Payback.

    They’ll be lucky if pairs 1 and 3 see any O zone. But they’ll see lots of D zone.

    – at least that’s what Tych has as pairs.

    Well, Nurse/Larsson was very good last season for quite a while. They did struggle earlier this year but I think Nurse is playing alot better now.

    Manning has been playing better recently, maybe that third pairing won’t be an absolute disaster – I still think Petrovic can be a solid 3rd pairing guy – he’s done it in the past.

  196. OriginalPouzar says:

    Olivier Rodrigue was named CHL (not just Q) goalie of the week. Only 2 games played but 1.00/.963

  197. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Well, Nurse/Larsson was very good last season for quite a while.They did struggle earlier this year but I think Nurse is playing alot better now.

    Manning has been playing better recently, maybe that third pairing won’t be an absolute disaster – I still think Petrovic can be a solid 3rd pairing guy – he’s done it in the past.

    I posted previously that I had heard (but could not substantiate) that Yawney was a Manning believer. It will be interesting to see if he turns out.

  198. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    The Koskinen signing is so demoralizing. Even if Koski plays great for the entire contract the signing will still be bad because at the time of signing he could have been signed for less money or term, preferably both.

    I don’t disagree with you on the overall premise but did want to note that, if he plays great for the entire contract, we will be happy that he got what we currently consider “extra” term.

  199. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Wilde,

    Truth. Literally none of my friends are hockey fans, or really sports fans. And the blog is usually hilarious.

  200. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: Spooner has been given opportunities,and done diddley with them,at this stage i think his confidence is shot. Maybe a bit of time in the minors would get him pumped back to some semblance of what he was.

    We’ll have to disagree with him being given opportunities – right after the trade he got some time with Nuge but ever since he has had nothing but bottom 6 linemates and we are talking about bottom six linemates on the team with worst offensive bottom 6 in the league.

    Yup, he did didly squat offensively playing 3 games with Brodizak and Joe G. – not sure I consider that “opportunity”.

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