ON THE CLOCK: THE 2019 ENTRY DRAFT

For the first time since I started this blog (2005, for those following along at home) I’m willing to endorse a trade of the 2019 first-round draft pick. Why? I don’t think the Oilers can wait on another pick, the time is now and this summer must fetch at least one impact forward who is a plug-and-play. More and more, I’m thinking this Oilers organization is going to need to trade precious future for immediate help this summer.

This runs directly against the current of verbal from Bob Nicholson this week, but in my view any general manager named is going to arrive at this conclusion. In the words of the great philosopher Izzy Mandelbaum, it’s go time.

THE ATHLETIC

The Athletic Edmonton brought it yesterday, there’s a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: Caleb Jones has impressive first showing in the NHL with Oilers.
  • New DGB: Weighing the pros and cons of some top candidates for the Edmonton Oilers GM job.
  • New Scott Burnside: Connor McDavid answered unwanted Oilers questions with poise and defiance, which is a good thing. (this is a terrific article).
  • Tyler Dellow: Four questions that the Oilers should be asking candidates for the GM job
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: New Oilers caretaker Keith Gretzky caught between earning playoff berth and keeping future assets
  • Lowetide: Bob Nicholson’s press conference attempts to set the tone for Oilers moving forward.
  • Craig Custance: How desirable is the Oilers GM opening and what questions are prospective candidates asking?
  • Jonathan Willis: With Peter Chiarelli gone, this is what the Oilers need to do next
  • Pierre Lebrun: Possible candidates to replace Peter Chiarelli as Oilers GM
  • Lowetide: Peter Chiarelli’s inability adjust, poor trades and free-agent misses at the centre of his firing.
  • Jonathan Willis: Rushed Mikko Koskinen deal was one Peter Chiarelli should not have been allowed to make.
  • Tyler Dellow: What can the NHL’s last three turtle derbies tell us about the playoff race in the West?
  • Lowetide: Oilers sign Mikko Koskinen long term, signalling the end of the line for Cam Talbot in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ way forward and the smartest route to finding an impact winger this summer.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Goalless Tobias Rieder hopes to follow Zack Kassian and Milan Lucic and end his offensive funk.
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

MCKENZIE’S LIST

Bob McKenzie’s mid-season list is out and it gives us a real indication about the quality of the draft. I published my first list January 1 and below you’ll see the expanded list (1-20 remain the same). Major differences between the two lists include Arthur Kaliyev (I have him No. 6 and BM has him No. 13) and Jakob Pelletier (I have him No. 8 and BM has him No. 31). McKenzie’s list is a watershed for fans of the draft, it’s amazing to receive an “industry standard” on such a major part of procurement. Here’s my list.

LOWETIDE TOP 30

  1. C Jack Hughes, U.S. National Development Team (USHL)A brilliant offensive player, cerebral, quick and highly skilled.
  2. R Kaapo Kakko, Turkku (Sm-Liiga)A big power forward with tons of talent who is emerging in real time.
  3. R Dylan Cozens, Lethbridge (WHL)Size, skill and he can skate. Range of skills, accurate shooter.
  4. RC Kirby Dach, Saskatoon (WHL).A dynamic player with size and tremendous skill, has speed, wingspan and an excellent release.
  5. R Vasili Podkolzin, St. Petersburg (MHL). Smart player with tons of offensive ability, but also possesses good two-way instinct.
  6. L Arthur Kaliyev, Hamilton (OHL)He’s a fantastic scoring prospect. Good not great skater.
  7. LC Trevor Zegras, U.S. National Development Team (USHL)Undersized and highly skilled, elusive and aggressive with very good speed.
  8. L Jakob Pelletier, Moncton (QMJHL). Undersized skill winger with two-way ability.
  9. LC Peyton Krebs, Kootenay (WHL).Skill forward who can score, he has quick feet and good hands.
  10. LC Ryan Suzuki, Barrie (OHL)Great vision, skill, tremendous passer. If he were faster, he’d be top five.
  11. R Cole Caufield, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). He’s small, fast and a ridiculous scorer. Quick release, accurate.
  12. LD Bowen Byram, Vancouver (WHL). Explosive speed is his top attribute but he’s also excellent with the puck and owns a heavy shot.
  13. LC Alex Turcotte, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). A strong two-way reputation, he is skilled and an excellent skater. Injuries a worry.
  14. LD Cam York, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). The latest impact puck mover out of the USHL, great speed, passing and creativity.
  15. L Matthew Boldy, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). Bigger winger with skill, he’s strong on the puck and can score goals.
  16. RC Raphael Lavoie, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Big center with a long reach, and a plus shot.
  17. LD Thomas Harley, Mississauga (OHL). Good size, speed and he’s posting impressive numbers. Spiking as we speak.
  18. LC Alex Newhook, Victoria (BCHL).Terrific scorer with playmaking skilled and dogged determination on the backcheck. High end potential.
  19. LD Matthew Robertson, Edmonton (WHL). Big two-way defenseman with good speed and some offense.
  20. LD Philip Broberg, AIK (Allsvenskan). He’s big and can skate, while also displaying puck moving ability.
  21. RC Phillip Tomasino, Niagra (OHL). Underrated player with impressive skill, spike offensively year over year has him here.
  22. R Bobby Brink, Sioux City (USHL). Small, fast and very skilled, he’s an intelligent player with great vision.
  23. LC Connor McMichael, London (OHL). He has good speed and lots of skill. I like him quite a lot.
  24. RD Victor Soderstrom, Brynas (SHL). Impressive offensive player from the blueline. Good skater, good decisions, very quick.
  25. LD Ville Heinola, Lukko (Sm-Liiga). A mature player for his age, two-way talent with good speed and calm feet. Excellent passer.
  26. L Nick Robertson, Peterborough (OHL). Undersized skill winger with a sixth sense as a goal scorer. Impressive at Top Prospects.
  27. L Nils Hoglander, Rogle (SHL). A small skill winger, he can beat defensemen clean. More playmaker than scorer, but has a quick release and an effective shot.
  28. RD Moritz Seider, Mannheim (DEL). An actual teenage giant (6.04, 198) with a Condor wingspan. He’s a good passer and has decent speed.
  29. L Nolan Foote, Kelowna (WHL). Power forward with skill, not certain he’s a future scorer on an NHL skill line.
  30. G Spencer Knight, US National Team (USHL). Ranked due to enormous buzz, scouts love him.
  31. RC Brett Leason, Prince Albert (WHL). Already famous, he turns 20 two months before the draft. Impressive scorer, massive year over year spike.

OILERS MOCK DRAFT 2019

I’ll use the McKenzie list as a guide. Here we go!

  • No. 8 overall—L Arthur Kaliyev, Hamilton (OHL).  Craig Button: Kaliyev’s release and understanding of how to get open helps him score in so many different ways. NHLE: 39.2. I have him No. 6, he’s an impressive player, still don’t have his foot speed surrounded. Brock Otten on his skating: “His skating draws mixed reviews. IMO, his power game is complemented by a good enough top speed, but could benefit from better start ups.”
  • No. 39 overall—RC Jamieson Rees, Sarnia (OHL). Otten: “An electric player with speed to burn; Rees is able to make moves at top speed. His hands are excellent.” NHLE: 25.4
  • No. 88 overall— L Brayden Tracey, Moose Jaw (WHL). Played very little previous to this season in the WHL, but he’s having a fine rookie campaign. I believe he would be a steal at this number based on math alone. Reports have him displaying great hands, intelligence and boots just “okay”. NHLE: 24.8
  • No. 101 overall —G Lukas Parik, Liberec, (Cze Jr). Good size, he’s athletic in his net and has the kind of size (6.04) Edmonton looks for in a goalie. Looked good at the U18 Five Nations.
  • No. 163 overall—L Nando Eggenberger, Oshawa (OHL). He was projected as a first rounder one year ago by some pretty smart people (Red Line), he passed through the whole damned draft. I asked people, and was told he was wildly inconsistent game to game. At this point I’d take him second time around, because enough people have noticed something good, even if it isn’t there every night. NHLE: 24.3
  • No. 194 overall—LC Linus Nassen, Frolunda (SHL). Solid two-way player who plays a strong checking style. Good straightaway speed but not a fabulous first step. NHLE: 19.4

TRADING THE PICK

Oilers fans love the draft, I’ve been informed by several people (dm, email, etc) that Edmonton will choose Dylan Cozens. When I suggest that means top 5 selection, the reaction is “well it looks like they’re on the way” and I get it, but it’s time to stop that train.

Look, the Oilers are three points out of the playoffs. I’m not suggesting the team spend one thin dime at the deadline, but would recommend a big deal (if available) to bring in the likes of Nikolaj Ehlers or Tyler Johnson.

Those names are ones I have plucked from the rosters of Winnipeg and Tampa Bay recently. Elliotte Friedman’s 31 Thoughts (I don’t quote him often because that’s his hard work on those pages, so please click and read) connected Edmonton to Andreas Athanasiou and Andre Burakovsky.

Burakovsky is an interesting name but he comes with complications. The young winger already makes $3 million and hasn’t yet scored 20 goals in a season. Athanasiou would be an excellent target but we don’t know if he’s available.

I would say this: The new general manager should probably buy the best scoring forward the 2019 first-round pick and other pieces can buy. I think the Oilers can do better on the draft floor. You might see the first, second, Jesse Puljujarvi and more heading out.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we’ll set up the weekend and talk about the Oilers future. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. All-Star Game, Chiarelli firing.
  • Paul Sir, The Basketball Show. Checking in on the Raptors, 76ers, Lebron.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Best choice for GM, should the Oilers add at the deadline?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    If klef and seksy are both playing healthy and well, ina month how about
    Klef-Lars
    Nurse-Russ
    Sek-Jones
    Benning
    ?
    Both lefties have experience on the R side
    That lowers their effectiveness a bit but no one tooooo far out of reasonable slotability…

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov with an early 1st period primary assist.

  3. Chief Inspector says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Samorukov with an early 1st period primary assist.

    17 points in his last 15 games. The sample size is becoming more substantial.

  4. workaroundaccount says:

    You’re high as a kite LT. First round picks get you high quality rentals, no legit players. Not to mention we are still missing a two and a 3 line. Jordan Eberle in his prime doesn’t make this a playoff team.

  5. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t think “Lucic being open to leaving” is the issue.

    I think “a team being open to taking Lucic” is the issue.

    So true!

  6. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes and No.

    Technically, yes, if he moved his NMC, I’m sure the Oilers could structure a deal to move him – they could offer up Connor McDavid along with Lucic and the only gating issue would be the NMC.

    The key question is, would any team take Lucic in a deal that would amenable to the Oilers – i.e. not retaining half and giving up material sweeteners.

    I’m confident there are MANY teams Lucic would waive his NMC for but not MANY teams (or even any teams) that would take the player in a deal that the Oilers would agree to.

    The NMC is not the main issue in a Lucic trade, in my opinion.

    Agreed. The assets needed to move Lucic would be prohibitive. If we are moving assets, it needs to be done with an eye to improving the roster. We can choose to simply stop playing him.

  7. workaroundaccount says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Some day Leon has to be a centre. Right??? Or is he an 8.5 million dollar RW to for a 12.5 million dollar centre??
    JJ is not a very good centreman. He is a very good complementary player to LD.
    If LD can’t drive a line by himself next year, maybe they should trade him for a less expensive RW to help Connor.

    Give him some 2nd line wingers, and I have no doubt he would drive that line to 1st line quality. McDavid is the only player we have seen do that with 4th liners. Hall never did it.

  8. HT Joe says:

    workaroundaccount: Give him some 2nd line wingers, and I have no doubt he would drive that line to 1st line quality. McDavid is the only player we have seen do that with 4th liners. Hall never did it.

    Yes, McDavid is better than Hall. But I vaguely remember Hall-Lander-Purcell? getting reasonable results for a bit… am I totally misremembering?

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: Like, no. You’re still rolling the dice that these players will be either ready or gopd enough. Too many bets. Just like Chia. You need actual NHL players(TM) to allow these guys to come in when they’re ready. Some need to go to bring in talent. Not all, but some. It’s going to hurt a little. We’ll see some kids go that may go on to have fine NHL careers. But we need to reset this and you hace to give to get.

    A good supply of replacement level prospects and the actual NHL players to keep them down until either injury or contract expiration gives them their shot.

    I am not positing that they get brought in any time before they are ready – I’ve been pretty consistent in my opinion of developing the kids and keeping them in the appropriate leagues.

    I am personally one that believe Bouchard should be pencilled in to start in the AHL next year and one that doesn’t want Benson and the others to see any NHL time this year. Keep them where they are.

    I personally see 7-8 prospects that could legitimately be NHL ready next year – of course not all will be – some will never be, some will need part of all of next season but, chances are, one or two of those guys will legit be ready for the NHL.

    Is it out there to think that maybe Caleb Jones and Tyler Benson are ready for 3rd pairing and bottom 6 minutes next year? I don’t think so. Maybe noone will be ready for the NHL on merit but I somewhat doubt. it.

    In addition, maybe Joel Persson and we have legit NHL ready players ready for call-up.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    HT Joe: I’m pretty convinced with your strategy to wait 2 years to get many of the bad contracts off of the books.Fine.But I remain convinced that this strategy will result in 2 poor seasons (2019-2020 and 2020-2021), causing RNH and Larsson not wanting to re-sign here.You have rightfully pointed out that there’s no evidence that either leaves, but I don’t think I’m wrong that you have no evidence that either re-signs.

    So, assuming the Oilers management does not get verbal confirmation of RNH’s and Larsson’s intentions to remain with the team, I think the Oilers do the following:

    2018-2019 season until summer of 2020:
    – Try to improve through small signings, small trades, and improvements to systems and non-player personnel
    – Collect as many draft picks as possible, without relinquishing any core players
    – Commit to playing Draisatl as a centre, since he’s stuck here longer than RNH.Play RNH with McDavid so McDavid has some competent support on his line.

    Summer of 2020:
    – If re-signing RNH and Larsson long term isn’t an option, trade them for the best possible return – if the return is established NHL players, ensure that they have longer term.I suspect the loss of RNH and Larsson will push back the schedule of the team by at least 2 seasons (as we wait for internal prospects to fill the gap).

    Summer of 2021:
    – weather the expansion draft

    2021-2022 Season:
    – work towards respectability (sigh) – miss the playoffs by “this much”

    2022-2023 Season (last season with Klefbom locked in, and halfway through McDavid’s 8-year contract)
    – actually have a good team! (?)

    I agree that the patient plan is likely to lead to a couple of tougher seasons coming up than we wish – I don’t want that but I think its the best route in order to build what we all want.

    I’m not convinced that Nuge and Larsson won’t re-sign, you may very well be right, but I am not convinced. At the end of that two-years, this team will be set up to contend in a very short order. There will be lots of cap space, the best players on the team entering their prime (McDavid, Drai, Nurse), others in their prime (Klefbom, Nuge himself, Larsson), the potential for at least one of Yama/Pulju to have solidified a top 6 spot, potential for Bouchard to be ready to be a material contributor in the top 4, potential for at least a few of the current prospects to provide value for the ELC, depth in the prospect pool and NHL ready call-ups.

    I actually don’t think much of that is unreasonable – maybe some won’t happen (maybe neither Yamamoto nor Puljujarvi are top 6 wingers at 22 but I don’t think its unreasonable to suggest that at least one may be).

    Anyways, lets say that we do know that they won’t re-sign. Well, given their UFA season is unlikely to be a contending year, we will be able to sell both of them at the deadline for solid returns and, potentially a very good return for Nuge. Not only do we acquire even more young talent and good picks but now we see another $10M in cap space

    With Drai being in his prime, I presume he’s 2C and finding a cheaper 3C shouldn’t be that tough – it may even be Ryan McCleod or Cooper Marody or even Khaira.

    We may not even want to re-sign a 28 year old Larsson given the wear and tear he may have at that point. Maybe Caleb Jones has proven to be a 2RD by then (he is one that has played ALOT of his off side) plus we have plus defenders such as Lagesson and Samorukov developing.

    Where I think your plan falls off is that in the spring of 2021, its not just “weather the expansion draft” – its make material acquisitions – we will have ample cap space and a wealth of assets.

    At least that’s the plan….

  11. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sekera doesn’t need to be protected – his NMC falls away prior to the draft.

    Isn’t the expansion draft 2 years from this summer? Both Sekera and Russell will be off the books by then.

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chief Inspector: 17 points in his last 15 games. The sample size is becoming more substantial.

    Yup, the Sean Durzi acquisition is eating in to his newly found PP time (with the Merkley disposition) and his offensive opportunities in general, but he’s still finding a way to contribute offensively.

    Guelph is a powerhouse.

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: Agreed. The assets needed to move Lucic would be prohibitive. If we are moving assets, it needs to be done with an eye to improving the roster. We can choose to simply stop playing him.

    I believe this is the second thing we’ve agreed on in this thread – Bizzaro World!

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Isn’t the expansion draft 2 years from this summer? Both Sekera and Russell will be off the books by then.

    Russell will be off the books but Sekera will have one more year. His NMC is gone this summer though so he won’t be a must protect.

  15. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: Russell will be off the books but Sekera will have one more year.His NMC is gone this summer though so he won’t be a must protect.

    I think you’re wrong. Both those contracts end the same year, do they not?

  16. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pat Quinn. Storied career, groundbreaking coach.

    Oilers hired him and he couldn’t remember player’s names. Hitchcock can’t remember player’s names. So he’s says.

    Hmmm. To me this makes it about the coach, he’s so good that he’s more important than the players, he doesn’t need to show a basic courtesy in a group of 23 people.

    I think it’s a bad thing.

    Now someone tell me Q can’t remember anybody’s name because I said he’s the guy to hire 👍

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    Excited for the Condors’ game about to start and to see what Jay W. does with the lines. I don’t think the current top 2 lines can be messed with (the kid line is simply too hot and the “experience line” works so well together).

    I suggest:

    Benson/Marody/Currie
    Spooner/Hebig/Yamamoto
    Russell/Malone/Joe G.
    Vesel/Polei/Callahan

    Gust and Esposito can sub in on the 4th line for tomorrow’s game.

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov with a late 2nd period goal to go with his earlier assist – Guelph up 6-0.

  19. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Russell and Sekera can be traded this summer. Russell for sure wil have takers, the return doesn’t matter. If Sekera looks good he’ll fetch a decent return. I’d keep him over Russell all things being equal.

    There is a lot of cap that can be cleared. The tough ones are Spooner, Manning and Lucic. I remain a believer that if Lucic keeps getting points he’s movable without a PC type deal.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: I think you’re wrong. Both those contracts end the same year, do they not?

    Yes, I am wrong – sorry, I was reading it wrong.

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Shane Starrett gets the start.

    Kid line indeed stays together and starts the game.

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors take two penalties early (Spooner on his first shift and a too many men) – kill them both off.

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Excited for the Condors’ game about to start and to see what Jay W. does with the lines.I don’t think the current top 2 lines can be messed with (the kid line is simply too hot and the “experience line” works so well together).

    I suggest:

    Benson/Marody/Currie
    Spooner/Hebig/Yamamoto
    Russell/Malone/Joe G.
    Vesel/Polei/Callahan

    Gust and Esposito can sub in on the 4th line for tomorrow’s game.

    I nailed the top 3 lines.

    4th line has Gust / Esposito Callahan

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    Saginaw wins 7-1 – McLeod pointless, 1 shot, even and under 50% in the faceoff circle.

    London up 6-0 half way through the third – Bouchard with a goal, 2 shots and plus 1.

    Guelph also up 6-0 half way through the third – Samorukov with a goal and an assist, 3 shots and plus 4.

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lagesson with an own-zone turnover trying to skate the puck out and the puck is in the net. Down 1-0 with 3:53 to go in the first.

    It was a tough pass to Lagesson – as soon as he looked up, the defender was on him.

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hawkey stops 19 of 20 in a 4-1 win.

  27. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Hawkey stops 19 of 20 in a 4-1 win.

    I watched that game, Hawkey was solid to excellent

  28. Todd Macallan says:

    Eichel second to McD yet again

  29. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    McDavid has won fastest skater (third time in a row for the first time in history)
    Did anyone expect anything otherwise??

  30. Professor Q says:

    Quite a few of the NCAA prospects on tonight, too.

    Hawkey and Desharnais for Providence vs. Kesselring’s future school, Northeastern.

    Phil Kemp and Yale vs. Union.

    Boston U (McPhee, Räsänen, and Dudek) vs. Arizona State.

    Cornell (Cairns) vs. Colgate.

    Harvard (Marino) vs. Clarkson.

    I had no real grasp at how low they actually score before looking into this.

    However, the Voltigeurs game is on so watching Rodrigue might be pretty cool. Don’t get to very often.

  31. HT Joe says:

    OriginalPouzar: Where I think your plan falls off is that in the spring of 2021, its not just “weather the expansion draft” – its make material acquisitions – we will have ample cap space and a wealth of assets.
    At least that’s the plan….

    Weird.. my response seems to have disappeared when I tried to edit it to make the paragraphs line up properly. *SIGH

    Anyhoo, I generally agree with you. If the Oilers are properly managed from here on out, I bet JP develops into a legitimate top 6 winger (especially if he’s glued to one of the skilled centres so he can actually develop chemistry), and I bet that at least some of the current prospects graduate.

    My plan to weather the expansion is based on the assumption that the team is a bottom-5 tire fire for the next 2 seasons. If the Oilers are a legitimate playoff-bubble team leading up to the 2021 playoffs, then by all means spend some money and make some trades to improve then.

  32. Professor Q says:

    You know you’re small when Patrick Kane even looks huge next to you. Poor Gaudreau. Sick hands, though.

  33. Todd Macallan says:

    Holy McD, never seen that from him on a breakaway. Quick hands even for him wow

  34. Professor Q says:

    How strange is it to finally have an Oiler be the bane of a former Oiler for a change?

    Way to go Draisaitl.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    Missed the second period for some husband-duties but it looks like the Condors really tightened up after a poor first period.

    Outshot Tucson 9-4 and scored twice to take a 2-1 lead:

    Callahan from Gust and Stanton

    Russell from Day and Joe G.

    Should be a good third period.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov named first star in the Guelph win.

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: I watched that game, Hawkey was solid to excellent

    Excellent to hear.

  38. hunter1909 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Pat Quinn. Storied career, groundbreaking coach.

    Oilers hired him and he couldn’t remember player’s names. Hitchcock can’t remember player’s names. So he’s says.

    Hmmm. To me this makes it about the coach, he’s so good that he’s more important than the players, he doesn’t need to show a basic courtesy in a group of 23 people.

    I think it’s a bad thing.

    Now someone tell me Q can’t remember anybody’s name because I said he’s the guy to hire

    Hitch is an outstanding coach, and proved it already enough not to have to be slagged off like he’s no good when the MacT/Lowe Howson + that Petro-Canada guy or whatever the fuck he is, as well as the shadowy Nicholson and his audit of how many years now?

  39. hunter1909 says:

    hunter1909: Pat Quinn.

    Pat Quinn would have been hilarious given Nurse, Draisaitl, Yakupov, Hall + McDavid

  40. Glovjuice says:

    Cassandra: The situation today is so, so, so, so, so, much worse than it was 3.5 years ago.No language that has ever existed can put the difference into words.

    It’s fucked. Totally fucked.

  41. Bank Shot says:

    Glovjuice: It’s fucked. Totally fucked.

    The only difference is Hall. Lets not get into histrionics here.

    We were a last place team with one more great forward. We sucked then too and weren’t on the verge of something great.

  42. Chief Inspector says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Samorukov named first star in the Guelph win.

    Nicely done thanks for these updates.

  43. hunter1909 says:

    Bank Shot: The only difference is Hall. Lets not get into histrionics here.

    We were a last place team with one more great forward. We sucked then too and weren’t on the verge of something great.

    Hall+Eberle+RNH ran a devastating powerplay. One of the best I ever saw.

    Draisaitl+Yakupov weren’t chopped liver either. The team had a pretty good future back then.

    Oilers, who historically ran a good defence suddenly had a terrible one which still is, terrible.

  44. hunter1909 says:

    I used to give Kevin Lowe a lot of credit, until I found out the team Sather left him.

    Sather left the Oilers in pretty good shape, good enough for the Lowe+MacT idiotocracy to thrive.

  45. Lowetide says:

    Okay, let’s all settle down.

    workaroundaccount:
    You’re high as a kite LT. First round picks get you high quality rentals, no legit players. Not to mention we are still missing a two and a 3 line. Jordan Eberle in his prime doesn’t make this a playoff team.

    As I mentioned in the article, this isn’t a deadline deal. Rentals wasn’t part of the conversation.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    Currie covers the point for a pinching d-man and goes par down from the point for a goal in his 7th straight game.

    Day passed it back to the point for the primary assist and Willie Lagesson with the 2nd assist (on the rim around to Day).

    3-1 Condors with under 8 to go.

    Huge goal.

  47. Professor Q says:

    Draisaitl could win the Passing Competition with a time of 69 seconds.

    Nice.

  48. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    Professor Q:
    Draisaitl could win the Passing Competition with a time of 69 seconds.

    Nice.

    Nice.

  49. Todd Macallan says:

    Better than Leon winning there was seeing how happy Connor was for him

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors win a franchise record 7th straight.

    Very good road win against a real good (and hot) Tucson team.

    They weren’t very good in the 1st but seemed to take over from there (I missed the 2nd and they were good in the 3rd).

    Starrett with a very good game – some plus saves and he stopped 30 of 31.

    Great stuff – afternoon re-match tomorrow.

  51. Caller Zen says:

    Bag of Pucks:

    It’s what the actions and not the spin indicates.

    If he had actual power, he would’ve wielded it and swept out an OBC with an obvious vested interest in undermining him.

    The fact that he was unable to fire anyone from the glory days speaks volumes as does Nicholson repeatedly confirming that all the big decisions are discussed as a group. This latter point is something they purposely obfuscate all the time – simultaneously saying all major decisions are discussed as a group including Katz while maintaining that Petey had final say. This is setting Pete up to be the scapegoat not the architect. It’s boardroom politics 101.

    We know Katz pressured the trade for a D. We know Katz overruled his scouts with Yakupov. Those two acts alone tell you that the Oilers GM whomever it may be isn’t the sole architect. That ship and level of autonomy for the GM sailed on with Pocklington and is one of the main reasons Sather left. He got tired of the owners interference with the EIG.

    Pete didn’t have real power. He had a vote along with Nicholson, Katz, and very likely Gretzky, Lowe and MacTavish. Nothing more. Nothing less.

    I would love to see the NDA Katz has these guys sign to keep a gag on them after they get punted. It must have more penalties in it than a Flyers vs Bruins tilt in the 70s.

    I’m a little surprised more people here don’t see this – “If he had actual power, he would’ve wielded it and swept out an OBC with an obvious vested interest in undermining him.” This is Occam’s razor. Why didn’t Chiarelli as GM and POHO put guys like MacT and Howson out to pasture? Are we really going to assume it’s because Chiarelli highly valued their input as great hockey minds and couldn’t do without them? Or was it because he couldn’t fire them?

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909: Hitch is an outstanding coach, and proved it already enough not to have to be slagged off like he’s no good when the MacT/Lowe Howson + that Petro-Canada guy or whatever the fuck he is, as well asthe shadowy Nicholson and his audit of how many years now?

    McClellan is an outstanding coach, and proved it already enough not to have to be slagged off like he’s no good when the MacT/Lowe Howson + that Petro-Canada guy or whatever the fuck he is, as well asthe shadowy Nicholson and his audit of how many years now?

  53. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I believe this is the second thing we’ve agreed on in this thread – Bizzaro World!

    Funny thing is. I usually agree with most things you post. Almost all in fact. And I’m not actually saying we have to trade the first. But if there’s an opportunity to get a substantial player, go for it. We might also agree that this could be an unusual year in that it might be a buyer’s market. There’s a lot of RFAs out there and a lot of teams in a cap crunch who may need to move good players. I see the buzz around the Leafs is they may have to sign Marner and Mathews to shorter deals to reduce their cap hits.

  54. workaroundaccount says:

    Lowetide:
    Okay, let’s all settle down.

    As I mentioned in the article, this isn’t a deadline deal. Rentals wasn’t part of the conversation.

    Name a good young forward who has been had for a first in the past 10 years. My point was that first round picks are traded for rentals primarily. Nobody trades a can’t miss prospect or proven player under contract for a chance at getting an NHL player. A first gets you an expiring contract on a good player, or a prospect like JP who hasn’t paid off yet, and is in shaky territory. Maybe it can net you a lower tier 2nd liner.

  55. Munny says:

    If the Hockey Gords skated into your dreams tonight and offered you a choice of two futures, which would you choose?

    1. Play Lucic with McDavid, miss the playoffs, but he scores well and the Oil are able to trade Lucic without any sweetener other than $2M retained.

    2. Play Lucic away from McDavid, make the playoffs (I know, far-fetched but go with it), but be unable to trade Lucic in the off-season.

    Which would you choose?

  56. UnjustEnrichment says:

    The problem with Lowetide’s new aggressiveness is that, if a mistake is made, the team falls deeper and deeper into the morass. I think that the team first needs to dig itself out from the existing bad contracts. That will take time. While that is happening, one can build slowly, carefully, one move at a time, through the draft. Trading out of desperation has not worked. For those who think McDavid will leave if there is not immediate improvement, I recommend patience. Developing a good hockey team takes time. Instant gratification is not likely going to be served up any time soon. Let’s grow our prospect pool and fill the holes that way. It might take 3 years. to become truly competitive, but that is the safer route to a Stanley Cup.

    One should trade when a good opportunity presents itself; otherwise, if one appears desperate, one ends up with the likes of Spooner, Petrovic, and Manning.

  57. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: McClellan is an outstanding coach, and proved it already enough not to have to be slagged off like he’s no good when the MacT/Lowe Howson + that Petro-Canada guy or whatever the fuck he is, as well asthe shadowy Nicholson and his audit of how many years now?

    McLellan got a raw deal. He’s a perfectly good coach.

    (Nicholson’s the Petro-Canada guy reminds me of Hockey Canada – like my brain’s seen more Petro-Canada commercials)

    How does your optimism square having Howson, Lowe, MacT and Nicholson all hanging around at top level management permanently, while the team’s floundered? Do you have a disconnect switch that lets you not worry about the Gang of Four, unlike a lot of fans like myself?

  58. Todd Macallan says:

    Hahaha Pavelskis kid out there wearing a McDavid jersey instead of his dad’s

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    workaroundaccount: Name a good young forward who has been had for a first in the past 10 years. My point was that first round picks are traded for rentals primarily. Nobody trades a can’t miss prospect or proven player under contract for a chance at getting an NHL player. A first gets you an expiring contract on a good player, or a prospect like JP who hasn’t paid off yet, and is in shaky territory. Maybe it can net you a lower tier 2nd liner.

    Kyle Turris

    Ryan O’Riley

    Phil Kessel

    Milan Lucic

    Ryan Kesler

    Martin St. Louis

    Thomas Vanek

  60. HT Joe says:

    workaroundaccount: Name a good young forward who has been had for a first in the past 10 years. My point was that first round picks are traded for rentals primarily. Nobody trades a can’t miss prospect or proven player under contract for a chance at getting an NHL player. A first gets you an expiring contract on a good player, or a prospect like JP who hasn’t paid off yet, and is in shaky territory. Maybe it can net you a lower tier 2nd liner.

    Kessel? Penner (trade with LA)? Lucic to LA?

    Feels like good dmen are more often traded for picks

  61. JimmyV1965 says:

    hunter1909: Hall+Eberle+RNH ran a devastating powerplay. One of the best I ever saw.

    Draisaitl+Yakupov weren’t chopped liver either. The team had a pretty good future back then.

    Oilers, who historically ran a good defence suddenly had a terrible one which still is, terrible.

    Our dmen back then were hot garbage. The depth at forward was way better though. I think Dra today i is equal to if not better than Hall back then. And RNH is much better today than he was then.

  62. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Missed the second period for some husband-duties but it looks like the Condors really tightened up after a poor first period.

    Outshot Tucson 9-4 and scored twice to take a 2-1 lead:

    Callahan from Gust and Stanton

    Russell from Day and Joe G.

    Should be a good third period.

    That’s hot.

  63. hunter1909 says:

    JimmyV1965: Our dmen back then were hot garbage. The depth at forward was way better though. I think Dra today i is equal to if not better than Hall back then. And RNH is much better today than he was then.

    I was optimistic then. Today I’m pessimistic. That’s all.

  64. Glovjuice says:

    Bank Shot: The only difference is Hall. Lets not get into histrionics here.

    We were a last place team with one more great forward. We sucked then too and weren’t on the verge of something great.

    Yes we were – with 1, 16, and 33 added to Hall, Drai, Klef, Nuge, and Nurse.

  65. JimmyV1965 says:

    workaroundaccount: Name a good young forward who has been had for a first in the past 10 years. My point was that first round picks are traded for rentals primarily. Nobody trades a can’t miss prospect or proven player under contract for a chance at getting an NHL player. A first gets you an expiring contract on a good player, or a prospect like JP who hasn’t paid off yet, and is in shaky territory. Maybe it can net you a lower tier 2nd liner.

    Just off the top of my head without any research, the Flames acquired Hamilton for a first and two seconds. He’s not a forward, but I would think a young RHD has more value than a winger. As I mentioned in a previous post, this may be an unusual year in that there are many RFAs looking to get paid and some good teams with good players very tight to the cap. By the way, there’s no way JP gets a first.

  66. JimmyV1965 says:

    hunter1909: I was optimistic then. Today I’m pessimistic. That’s all.

    I’m feeling that for sure.

  67. JimmyV1965 says:

    Thrilled to see Drai win the passing contest, in really convincing fashion. He missed this one little net by inches about five times, but other than that he was money. I think he’s perceived as riding the McDavid coat tails in many markets. This weekend showcases his incredible skills.

  68. workaroundaccount says:

    JimmyV1965: Just off the top of my head without any research, the Flames acquired Hamilton for a first and two seconds. He’s not a forward, but I would think a young RHD has more value than a winger. As I mentioned in a previous post, this may be an unusual year in that there are many RFAs looking to get paid and some good teams with good players very tight to the cap. By the way, there’s no way JP gets a first.

    Well now we’ve moved from a first to a first and two seconds. Sure we could probably go JP, first and a second for a decent player. Does that actually put us further ahead?

  69. Lowetide says:

    workaroundaccount: Name a good young forward who has been had for a first in the past 10 years. My point was that first round picks are traded for rentals primarily. Nobody trades a can’t miss prospect or proven player under contract for a chance at getting an NHL player. A first gets you an expiring contract on a good player, or a prospect like JP who hasn’t paid off yet, and is in shaky territory. Maybe it can net you a lower tier 2nd liner.

    Brayden Schenn was traded for a package that included a first-round pick and a conditional first-round pick (Flyers took Lehtera back, that was part of the deal). That was June 2017.

  70. Jethro Tull says:

    UnjustEnrichment:
    The problem with Lowetide’s new aggressiveness is that, if a mistake is made, the team falls deeper and deeper into the morass. I think thatthe team first needs to dig itself out from theexisting bad contracts. That will take time. While that is happening, one can build slowly, carefully, one move at a time, through the draft. Trading out of desperation has not worked. For those who think McDavid will leave if there is not immediate improvement, I recommend patience. Developing a good hockey team takes time. Instant gratification is not likely going to be served up any time soon. Let’s grow our prospect pool and fill the holes that way. It might take 3 years. to becometruly competitive, but that is the safer route to a Stanley Cup.

    One should trade when a good opportunity presents itself; otherwise, if one appears desperate, one ends up with the likes of Spooner, Petrovic, and Manning.

    The problem with procrastination is it’s a safe bet. You do nothing and by the time everyone figures out it doesn’t work, you can say they didn’t do nothing properly.

  71. Jethro Tull says:

    Oh, it wasn’t for a first, but Filip Forsberg was got for the ghost of Martin Erat and some other guy.

  72. who says:

    Munny:
    If the Hockey Gords skated into your dreams tonight and offered you a choice of two futures, which would you choose?

    1.Play Lucic with McDavid, miss the playoffs, but he scores well and the Oil are able to trade Lucic without any sweetener other than $2M retained.

    2. Play Lucic away from McDavid, make the playoffs (I know, far-fetched but go with it), but be unable to trade Lucic in the off-season.

    Which would you choose?

    Option 1.
    Problem is that Lucic doesn’t score with McDavid. And even if he did other GMs would see right through it.
    So it’s really just a nice fantasy.

  73. JimmyV1965 says:

    workaroundaccount: Well now we’ve moved from a first to a first and two seconds. Sure we could probably go JP, first and a second for a decent player. Does that actually put us further ahead?

    It all depends what player you get and what position you draft at. Ehlers, for instance, will likely cost you a 15OV and a second rounder. The Hamilton trade certainly didn’t hurt the Flames. Either did trading a first for Hamonic. I would argue at the time of those trades their defence was similar to our offence today. They had some good prospects, but they were a couple years away.

  74. godot10 says:

    workaroundaccount: Give him some 2nd line wingers, and I have no doubt he would drive that line to 1st line quality. McDavid is the only player we have seen do that with 4th liners. Hall never did it.

    Hall did. Hall, Anton Lander, Anthony Miller. Hall, Anton Lander, Matt Frsaser (during the Nelson interregnum). There might have been some Pakarinen in there also.

  75. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: McClellan is an outstanding coach, and proved it already enough not to have to be slagged off like he’s no good when the MacT/Lowe Howson + that Petro-Canada guy or whatever the fuck he is, as well asthe shadowy Nicholson and his audit of how many years now?

    #zerocupsgiven

  76. godot10 says:

    Munny:
    If the Hockey Gords skated into your dreams tonight and offered you a choice of two futures, which would you choose?

    1.Play Lucic with McDavid, miss the playoffs, but he scores well and the Oil are able to trade Lucic without any sweetener other than $2M retained.

    2. Play Lucic away from McDavid, make the playoffs (I know, far-fetched but go with it), but be unable to trade Lucic in the off-season.

    Which would you choose?

    “1” is a fantasy. “2”, with Klefbom healthy, has a good chance of happening. Live in the world of reality, the world of the possible.

  77. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: Brayden Schenn was traded for a package that included a first-round pick and a conditional first-round pick (Flyers took Lehtera back, that was part of the deal). That was June 2017.

    And St. Louis is about to miss the playoffs two years in a row since making that trade.

  78. Bag of Pucks says:

    Caller Zen: I’m a little surprised more people here don’t see this – “If he had actual power, he would’ve wielded it and swept out an OBC with an obvious vested interest in undermining him.” This is Occam’s razor. Why didn’t Chiarelli as GM and POHO put guys like MacT and Howson out to pasture? Are we really going to assume it’s because Chiarelli highly valued their input as great hockey minds and couldn’t do without them? Or was it because he couldn’t fire them?

    True dat

  79. godot10 says:

    I was cooking with gasoline back in June 2016.

    GODOT10 says:
    June 11, 2016 at 10:19 am
    “John Chambers:
    I think the only way to justify a Lucic add is as an upgrade on Benny Pouliot.”

    Lucic isn’t an upgrade on Pouliot, in terms of value for money.

    GODOT10 says:
    June 11, 2016 at 10:33 am
    “stevezie:
    Totally off topic, but if the Canes have a plethora of good D and a dearth of C, why are the rumours around Faulk? He is for sure elite, right now, and on a long, beautiful contract.”

    Staal, Rask, Lindholm, Aho…those are 4 pretty good centres that Carolina has. And they can draft one at #13 like McLeod. And probably re-sign Riley Nash.

    The Sedins didn’t start scoring till 23. Lindholm is will break out eventually.

    They are doing their rebuild right, from the D out.

  80. YKOil says:

    If we trade Russell, who will have interest if made available and he wants to go, we have to keep Sekera.

    Reasons for last years lost season and this one being so troubled:

    2017-18

    1. Chia’s poor asset management
    2. Talbot funk
    3. Injury to Sekera
    4. Injury to Klefbom

    2018-19

    1. Chia’s poor asset management
    2. Injury to Sekera
    3. Injury to Klefbom
    4. Goalie issues

    LD depth of Sekera, Klefbom, Russell, Jones, Gravel is play-offs quality imo. Issue has been the injuries. I put the asset management ahead of the injuries because the lack of depth everywhere on the roster means the team can’t afford a LD or C injury – no other position has the ability to cover the losses of another – and that is on Chia.

    (please re-sign Gravel btw)

    I am on record as being willing to give up a substantial package for a signed Stone. I wouldn’t really move the first for anything less than a substantial player under long term control.

    Missing out on Niederreiter bugs the hell out of me because I wonder if Strome and a 3rd would have interested the Wild. I think it would have.

    Not a huge fan of Athanasiou. Injured more than I like and has already gone through one troublesome contract squabble – not sure I want a guy getting zoomed by McDavid, which would be 30+ goals for this guy, and then asking for $7 million+ a year. If the price is right, sure, but not the 1st rounder.

    I honestly think that with a healthy Sekera and/or Klefbom and, especially both, that this team is a play-off team – especially in a year like this one.

    So fix the defense is what I say. Get someone who can pass AND skate the puck out (as well as play defense), plays RD and is a legit 1st or 2nd pair type – I am fine with two 2nd pair RD’s (Larsson and ‘my guy’) so no miracles needed. Fix that depth and transition issue and get healthy years out of Sekera and Klefbom and the forwards will start to fix themselves imo.

    Unless the team goes on a good run – which I think it can with Klefbom back – I would approach this deadline as a seller. Unless something falls in my lap I would slow play the deadline and not give up assets. Value is in Chiasson, Rieder, one of Petrovic/Benning and Talbot (despite what Burke says). Someone might want Spooner on a retained salary or take back basis and, with luck, some retained salary and a late pick flip (my 5th for your 7th) even Manning might get some interest.

    It’s depressing, but it’s us.

  81. Bank Shot says:

    Glovjuice: Yes we were – with 1, 16, and 33 added to Hall, Drai, Klef, Nuge, and Nurse.

    Oh yeah. Because 1,16, and 33 always turn into solid gold in E-Town.

  82. kgo says:

    I think the biggest problem with the oilers executives is they aren’t hungry. These guys have all made it in some respect, they’re all somewhat successful, fat and happy…They don’t put enough work in, they don’t put the blood sweat and tears into the process that is required to gain every advantage and uncover every potential amateur or FA. These guys are all semi-retired, they fill roles as if they are hobbies, not vocations…Listen to CMD talk about Gretzky at the all-star game…he says something along the lines of “yeah he’s here once a month, maybe twice a month, he’s a very busy guy…he hands out advice where he sees fit” Based on CMD’s tone and demeanor, I get the feeling that he doesn’t want to live in Gretz’ shadow, doesn’t really want him showing up once in a blue moon, but is too respectful to say so. I think it’s clear that this Org will never succeed with Katz at the helm. We need a new owner worse than 30 other teams in the Show….Thank god for Eugene Melnyk.

  83. Bruce McCurdy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Saginaw wins 7-1 – McLeod pointless, 1 shot, even and under 50% in the faceoff circle.

    London up 6-0 half way through the third – Bouchard with a goal, 2 shots and plus 1.

    Guelph also up 6-0 half way through the third – Samorukov with a goal and an assist, 3 shots and plus 4.

    7-1, 6-0, 6-0 — welcome to major junior after the trade deadline.

  84. RonnieB says:

    YKOil:
    If we trade Russell, who will have interest if made available and he wants to go, we have to keep Sekera.

    Reasons for last years lost season and this one being so troubled:

    2017-18

    1. Chia’s poor asset management
    2. Talbot funk
    3. Injury to Sekera
    4. Injury to Klefbom

    2018-19

    1. Chia’s poor asset management
    2. Injury to Sekera
    3. Injury to Klefbom
    4. Goalie issues

    LD depth of Sekera, Klefbom, Russell, Jones, Gravel is play-offs quality imo.Issue has been the injuries.I put the asset management ahead of the injuries because the lack of depth everywhere on the roster means the team can’t afford a LD or C injury – no other position has the ability to cover the losses of another – and that is on Chia.

    (please re-sign Gravel btw)

    I am on record as being willing to give up a substantial package for a signed Stone.I wouldn’t really move the first for anything less than a substantial player under long term control.

    Missing out on Niederreiter bugs the hell out of me because I wonder if Strome and a 3rd would have interested the Wild.I think it would have.

    Not a huge fan of Athanasiou.Injured more than I like and has already gone through one troublesome contract squabble – not sure I want a guy getting zoomed by McDavid, which would be 30+ goals for this guy, and then asking for $7 million+ a year.If the price is right, sure, but not the 1st rounder.

    I honestly think that with a healthy Sekera and/or Klefbom and, especially both, that this team is a play-off team – especially in a year like this one.

    So fix the defense is what I say.Get someone who can pass AND skate the puck out (as well as play defense), plays RD and is a legit 1st or 2nd pair type – I am fine with two 2nd pair RD’s (Larsson and ‘my guy’) so no miracles needed.Fix that depth and transition issue and get healthy years out of Sekera and Klefbom and the forwards will start to fix themselves imo.

    Unless the team goes on a good run – which I think it can with Klefbom back – I would approach this deadline as a seller.Unless something falls in my lapI would slow play the deadline and not give up assets.Value is in Chiasson, Rieder, one of Petrovic/Benning and Talbot (despite what Burke says).Someone might want Spooner on a retained salary or take back basis and, with luck, some retained salary and a late pick flip (my 5th for your 7th) even Manning might get some interest.

    It’s depressing, but it’s us.

    Stone would be an awesome acquisition. Unfortunately the Oilers can’t afford another $9 +million contract.
    According to kypreos Ottawa has offered Duchene 8 x $8;
    Stone will get more as a UFA.

  85. v4ance says:

    Kevin Lowe and Craig MacTavish won multiple Stanley Cups as players.

    As a GM and Coach combination, they came within one game of winning the Cup as well.

    Lowe was part of the braintrust of managers who were consulted on World Cup and Olympic teams.

    Despite their failures to build a consistent contender, Chiarelli would have welcomed their input when he was hired. They would both have institutional knowledge of the players, prospects, contacts and processes within the Oilers organization that would help Chiarelli get acclimitized to his job.

    If anyone remembers, Chiarelli ran a decision by committee group when running the Bruins as well. If he didn’t realize that some members of the OBC were campaigning behind his back then he’s just as bad at politics as he was at player assessment.

    So instead of believing some dumb unproven conspiracy theory that Chiarelli was just a puppet and throwaway figurehead of the OBC, I choose to believe that he welcomed their skills and knowledge. The call was coming from inside the house as LT says but Chiarelli recognized too late to clean house… or worse, he still believed in their input right to the end.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    YKOil:
    If we trade Russell, who will have interest if made available and he wants to go, we have to keep Sekera.

    LD depth of Sekera, Klefbom, Russell, Jones, Gravel is play-offs quality imo.Issue has been the injuries.I put the asset management ahead of the injuries because the lack of depth everywhere on the roster means the team can’t afford a LD or C injury – no other position has the ability to cover the losses of another – and that is on Chia.

    (please re-sign Gravel btw)

    I honestly think that with a healthy Sekera and/or Klefbom and, especially both, that this team is a play-off team – especially in a year like this one.

    So fix the defense is what I say.Get someone who can pass AND skate the puck out (as well as play defense), plays RD and is a legit 1st or 2nd pair type – I am fine with two 2nd pair RD’s (Larsson and ‘my guy’) so no miracles needed.Fix that depth and transition issue and get healthy years out of Sekera and Klefbom and the forwards will start to fix themselves imo.

    I do read may opinions about divesting of both Russell and Sekera and, although the close to $10 in cap space would be great, I’m not sure its a great idea unless the cap space is spent on a true 1/2RD and, given our wealth of prospects on the defensive size, I would think cap room spend on external acquisitions would need to be for a forward.

    No, none of that prospect defensive depth will be ready for the top 4 (and most probably won’t be ready for the top 4 ever), however, with Bear, Persson, Bouchard, Berglund and, even Jones on his offside) ready to fight for a right side D spot next year (and Lagesson ready to fight for a left side spot), there is at least NHL-ready, or close to NHL ready, depth on the back-end.

    On the assumption that Sekera can provide 2nd pairing minutes, just solid second pairing minutes (which is a few notches below where he once was), then, yes, one of Sekera or Russell could be moved for cap space.

    ——————–

    Your LD depth chart forgot Darnell Nurse.

    —————–

    I too would like to re-sign Gravel but the current coach clearly doesn’t value him and, with Manning on the books and the disposition of one of Russell or Sekera not being a sure thing, I don’t think they have a plan to re-sigh him.

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy: 7-1, 6-0, 6-0 — welcome to major junior after the trade deadline.

    Oilers prospects on some powerhouse teams:

    Rodrigue and Drummondville

    Safin (who, from accounts, will be back prior to the playoffs) – Halifx

    Samrukov – Guelph

    McCleod – Saginaw

    Bouchard – London

    Even Niagara is pretty good (Maksimov)

    Should have some nice playoff runs.

    I always like it when the prospects are on teams that go far in the playoffs, however, at the same time, that also means that them joining the Condors at the end of the season is delayed or doesn’t happen.

    I can’t figure out which I prefer.

  88. ArmchairGM says:

    frjohnk: Russell has value to other GMs in the league.

    Many are still old school, they love the guys that block shots, the under dog, type of guy, has grits and all that stuff.

    Russells NMC is gone this summer and he then has a NTC.We probably have to take a player back but no reason it cant be a cheaper player.

    Agreed. I would argue that Russell has been something close to full value for his contract so far, snow angels and all. Not a value contract for sure, but certainly not a cap dump either. He’s a plus player on a negative team.

  89. Bag of Pucks says:

    v4ance:
    Kevin Lowe and Craig MacTavish won multiple Stanley Cups as players.

    As a GM and Coach combination, they came within one game of winning the Cup as well.

    Lowe was part of the braintrust of managers who were consulted on World Cup and Olympic teams.

    Despite their failures to build a consistent contender, Chiarelli would have welcomed their input when he was hired.They would both have institutional knowledge of the players, prospects, contacts and processes within the Oilers organization that would help Chiarelli get acclimitized to his job.

    If anyone remembers, Chiarelli ran a decision by committee group when running the Bruins as well.If he didn’t realize that some members of the OBC were campaigning behind his back then he’s just as bad at politics as he was at player assessment.

    So instead of believing some dumb unproven conspiracy theory that Chiarelli was just a puppet and throwaway figurehead of the OBC, I choose to believe that he welcomed their skills and knowledge.The call was coming from inside the house as LT says but Chiarelli recognized too late to clean house… or worse, he still believed in their input right to the end.

    You believe Chiarelli had a mandate to clean house but chose not to use it? Instead he preferred to surround himself with a core advisory group responsible for the longest playoff drought in NHL history.

    If we’re talking ‘dumb’ theories, that certainly qualifies.

  90. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar: Oilers prospects on some powerhouse teams:

    Rodrigue and Drummondville

    Safin (who, from accounts, will be back prior to the playoffs) – Halifx

    Samrukov – Guelph

    McCleod – Saginaw

    Bouchard – London

    Even Niagara is pretty good (Maksimov)

    Should have some nice playoff runs.

    I always like it when the prospects are on teams that go far in the playoffs, however, at the same time, that also means that them joining the Condors at the end of the season is delayed or doesn’t happen.

    I can’t figure out which I prefer.

    I know he’s older, but what about Berglund in Skellefteå?

    They’ve been hot lately, but still only in 8th with 55 points (Luleå and Frölunda are in 1st with 62 points), so they’d have to do the preliminary playoffs if they began today.

  91. Yeti says:

    ArmchairGM: Agreed. I would argue that Russell has been something close to full value for his contract so far, snow angels and all. Not a value contract for sure, but certainly not a cap dump either. He’s a plus player on a negative team.

    I absolutely wish Russel’s was the worst contract on the team. But it’s not … not even close.

  92. YKOil says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    ——————–

    Your LD depth chart forgot Darnell Nurse.

    —————–

    Nice catch, thanks. (slaps forehead)

    So, with Sekera, Klefbom, Nurse, Russell, Jones, Gravel. Yeah, Russell can be moved.

  93. McSorley33 says:

    The price being asked for at the deadline for some players is insane.

    Eg: LA ( Muzzin )asking for a 1st round pick + your best prospect.

    We will have to find out if someone actually pays up.

    Time to sell high on Chiasson.

  94. McSorley33 says:

    Munny,

    #1 but some margin.

    Freeing the organization of the Looch – would do a LOT for the team to move
    forward.

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