Sale on Sail On, Sailor

I love reviewing old scouting reports. When they ring true, it’s music. It’s like an old friend returning, or a favourite memory relived in a dream so real it somehow brings the original experience back again—if only for an instant. The Red Line Report 2011 Oscar Klefbom is as good in its own way as my memory of Mrs. Lowetide walking out of the Tastee Freez Red Deer in 1983. Which is to say, embedded forever in my brain.

  • Red Line: Klefbom is a real Red Line favorite. He’s certainly the most overlooked of the top prospects, but is the best pure passer of the bunch, and his skating ranks only behind Murphy. He already makes pro style passes — crisp and with touch — and excels at breaking the trap with tremendous stretch passes through the neutral zone, showing great vision. He was also the natural leader on Sweden’s national under-18 team. All this comes wrapped in a 6-3, 196-pound package, and Klefbom has really stepped up the physical aspect of his game over the last 12 months. At Red Line, we believe he might ultimately become the best all-around balance of offensive upside and physical strength in this year’s class.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton brought it yesterday, there’s a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: Edmonton’s 2019 entry draft plans may change with new GM but needs are clear
  • Lowetide: Caleb Jones has impressive first showing in the NHL with Oilers.
  • DGB: Weighing the pros and cons of some top candidates for the Edmonton Oilers GM job.
  • Scott Burnside: Connor McDavid answered unwanted Oilers questions with poise and defiance, which is a good thing. (this is a terrific article).
  • Tyler Dellow: Four questions that the Oilers should be asking candidates for the GM job
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: New Oilers caretaker Keith Gretzky caught between earning playoff berth and keeping future assets
  • Lowetide: Bob Nicholson’s press conference attempts to set the tone for Oilers moving forward.
  • Craig Custance: How desirable is the Oilers GM opening and what questions are prospective candidates asking?
  • Jonathan Willis: With Peter Chiarelli gone, this is what the Oilers need to do next
  • Pierre Lebrun: Possible candidates to replace Peter Chiarelli as Oilers GM
  • Lowetide: Peter Chiarelli’s inability adjust, poor trades and free-agent misses at the centre of his firing.
  • Jonathan Willis: Rushed Mikko Koskinen deal was one Peter Chiarelli should not have been allowed to make.
  • Tyler Dellow: What can the NHL’s last three turtle derbies tell us about the playoff race in the West?
  • Lowetide: Oilers sign Mikko Koskinen long term, signalling the end of the line for Cam Talbot in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ way forward and the smartest route to finding an impact winger this summer.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Goalless Tobias Rieder hopes to follow Zack Kassian and Milan Lucic and end his offensive funk.
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

CHIARELLI’S OILERS DEADLINE DEALS

  • February 2016—traded Justin Schultz to Pittsburgh for a pick (Filip Berglund); traded Teddy Purcell for a pick (Matt Cairns); traded Anders Nilsson for a pick (Graham McPhee); traded Martin Gernat and a pick (Jack Kopacka) for Patrick Maroon.
  • February 2017—traded Brandon Davidson for David Desharnais; traded Taylor Beck for Justin Fontaine.
  • February 2018—traded Brandon Davidson for a pick (2019 3rd); traded Mark Letestu for Pontus Aberg; traded Patrick Maroon for JD Dudek and 2019 pick (cashed later for Cooper Marody).

Desharnais earned a special place in Oilers history with the famous overtime goal against the San Jose Sharks, while Patrick Maroon filled an extreme need for the organization. We’ll see about the draft picks and Marody.

KEITH GRETZKY’S DEADLINE NEEDS LIST

  1. Offload as many of Cam Talbot, Alex Petrovic, Brandon Manning, Matt Benning, Alex Chiasson, Ryan Spooner and Tobias Rieder as possible.
  2. Acquire a scoring forward with term (I think three years, or a player who is still RFA when the current contract is complete).
  3. Find a righty defenceman (with term) who can play between Larsson on the top pair and Benning, Bear, Bouchard or Persson on the third pair.
  4. A backup goalie who can push Koskinen. That’s no easy task.

KEITH GRETZKY’S ASSETS OUT LIST

  • 2019 first-round pick
  • 2019 second-round pick
  • Darnell Nurse
  • Evan Bouchard
  • Jujhar Khaira
  • Matt Benning
  • Ethan Bear

POSSIBLE DEADLINE ACQUISITIONS

  • L Andreas Athanasiou, Detroit Red Wings. This might not have to wait until summer, speed merchant with a $3 million deal that expires summer 2020. He would cost a lot but might be a perfect fit.
  • L Andre Burakovsky, Washington Capitals. Another player at $3 million, his contract runs out this summer and he is RFA. He is not yet the player his skills imply he should be, and of course that’s why he is available. Intriguing, might be available now.
  • L Ryan Dzingel, Ottawa Senators. He’s a UFA this summer and makes $1.8 million this season. I have no idea what the cost might be, but a test drive for this impressive scorer would be a solid option if he’s affordable.
  • L Michael Ferland, Carolina Hurricanes. He gets mentioned often, but is a UFA and the Oilers can ill afford the price on any rental. What’s more, he isn’t the first-shot scorer they’re looking for, despite Ferland’s 13 goals.
  • RD Dougie Hamilton, Carolina Hurricanes. He has two years after this one ($5.75 million). He is having a down season, and the Oilers have drafted Bouchard and signed Persson, but it’s worth finding out the asking price.
  • LC Brayden Schenn, St. Louis Blues. He has one year left after this one and would be a solid addition to the Oilers ($5.125 million cap). Ideally Edmonton gets more than one extra year on any addition.
  • R Mats Zuccarello, NY Rangers. One of the few rentals on my list, partly because he would be an interesting test drive. Could he stay healthy on a three-year deal? Not my choice, for me the Oilers need more of a shooter.

Yeah, this doesn’t get solved until April, and I still think Keith Gretzky has a chance. That’s not an endorsement, I’m somewhat ambivalent about the selection process and candidates mentioned. However, if the team catches fire and Gretzky makes a move that helps, well, we’ve seen this script before. Kind of an off-ice “Sam Gagner sure looks ready” circa 2007 late summer.

I’m not going to get ahead of this story, we’ll let it come to us. But the early names (Sutter was the first one) suggest the talent pool comes from Bob Nicholson’s rolodex. How does that old song by The Who go? “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss….”

What would I be encouraged by? News that the organization talked to Dellow or similar, news the organization planned to revamp the analytics department (I don’t think it’s a department). I know that stuff should (will?) arrive as news after the hire, but it’s difficult to know who among general managerial candidates puts value on numbers.

WILDE ON BENSON

This guy is delivering great work, and the Benson release might be his most compelling yet. It takes us from “hopeful, cross fingers” to something close to “oh my” with young Benson. The buzz is growing with regard to this young player, giving Bob Nicholson his first major challenge in the ‘slow-play’ new deal the organization has apparently adopted. I believe we’ll see him in Edmonton, can’t say it’s a bad idea based on the push by this player.

From the “hey, they signed Cameron Hebig” department we have Tye Felhaber this winter. He has wheels and a scoring touch, and is a free agent.

  • Brock Otten: I do have some reservations about how well his offensive game will translate to the next level. Does a lot of his damage within tight, where that time and space will be less readily available at the next level. And while Felhaber is an above average skater for the OHL level (particularly his acceleration and first few steps), would he be considered more than an average skater at the pro level? Combine that with his average size and you will have NHL teams that are skeptical. But you have to give props to Felhaber for making over his game since his time in Saginaw. He has progressed from being a one dimensional, slightly perimeter offensive puck carrier; a guy who needed the puck on his stick to be effective and who was extremely turnover prone. To being one of the best players without the puck in the offensive zone in the OHL. His ability to find space is terrific. And he’s become a tireless worker in all three zones who is a reliable penalty killer. Even with some concerns as to how his game translates, he’s without a doubt worthy of an NHL deal to see how he fares and I’d be shocked if he didn’t get one. Source

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We’re off and running for another week, TSN1260 beginning at 10. I’m on the roundtable on the Dustin Nielson Show (with Brennan Klak) and then we’ll hit the ground running. Scheduled to appear:

  • John Matisz, The Score. We’ll talk NHL All-Star Weekend, Oilers All-Stars on the hotseat and new player tracking.
  • Jason Strudwick, TSN1260. Struds will drop by to talk about the Oilers coming off the break and trying to get back into a playoff spot.
  • Andrew Peard, Oil Kings PBP voice. Oil Kings were in first place in their division, lost and then won again to maintain a slight advantage over several good teams chasing. We’ll chat about the team and the increasing number of scouts attending Edmonton games this year.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    That scouting report on Klefbom is interesting – although he is the best puck mover on the Oilers defensive group (currently), I wouldn’t say that he is an excellent transitioner of the puck via pass – he’s good, not great in that regard.

    Anyways, can’t wait to get him back for Saturday (hopefully) – no only do we get our 24 to 30 minute man back, but it makes Larsson better and makes almost every other d-man better by bumping many down the lineup a spot (or their partner).

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    as my memory of Mrs. Lowetide walking out of the Tastee Freez Red Deer in 1983.

    Were you sucking on a chili dog outside the Tastee Freez?

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    Many (most) talk about last year’s deadline as a fail by Chiarelli but, as I’ve posted a few times, I think he did a fairly good job in the end at least year’s deadline.

    Mark Letestu was a 30 plus 4th line center, a pending UFA having a poor year and struggling big time on the PK. Chiarelli was able to get Pontus Aberg for Letestu. Yes, Pontus became somewhat of a polarizing figure – he showed plus offensive talent but seemed to leave you wanting more. He did score 1.99P/60 as an Oiler (I believe) but, eventually, due to extraneous circumstances and “old-school thinking”, Pontus got in to the dog house and never really got a chance to get out. He’s been up and down in ANA – for a while helping their offence materially.

    At the end of the day, Aberg is a good return for Letestu as a pending UFA.

    Patrick Maroon, leading up to the deadline was also struggling big time and was dealing with a back issue that had caused him to miss some games. JD Dudek doesn’t mean much to me (although he’s outperforming McPhee and Rasanen at Boston College) but Chiarelli was adamant that he was never going to use the 3rd round pick and he was going to flip it for a warm body. He kept that word and acquired and signed Cooper Marody, one of the team’s top forward prospects.

    I believe that was a very good deadline given the two UFAs were middling and struggling.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think something around Talbot for Burakovsky may work.

    Washington is struggling and Holtby is struggling right along with them. They may want to add a tender to provide some cover and depth for Holtby – of course, Talbot hasn’t been good this year but could have value for a team going in to the playoffs that is having some tender issues – he’s got a history of success including solid play in the playoffs.

    Burakovsky is not a material part of the Caps roster this year – he’s in the midst of a year after year regression for four years and has 12 points. He’d also need to be qualified at $3.25M to keep his RFA rights.

    I wouldn’t mind the Oilers testing him out in the top 6 for the rest of the season – maybe he clicks and finds his game with the fresh start and is worth a $3.25M QO (or they work out a deal for less AAV prior to the deadline to tender QOs). If he doesn’t click at call, they just don’t qualify him and there is no harm or commitment – its not a big deal as Talbot wasn’t going to re-sign either.

    Oilers may need to retain $500K on Talbot to even out the cap for this year as WSH is right up against it just like the Oil.

    A small piece may need to be added by the Oil.

  5. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    At Red Line, we believe he might ultimately become the best all-around balance of offensive upside and physical strength in this year’s class.

    That might be right.

    1st round Dmen that year:

    4 Adam Larsson
    9 Dougie Hamilton
    10 Jonas Brodin
    11 Duncan Siemens
    12 Ryan Murphy
    14 Jamie Oleksiak
    17 Nathan Beaulieu
    19 Oscar Klefbom
    20 Connor Murphy
    23 Joe Morrow
    25 Stuart Percy

    I think there is a strong argument that Klef is the best all around Dman on that list.

    Hamilton is the other argument in terms of “all around”

    If Larsson had more offense he’d be in the conversation too.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    1 – Offload as many of Cam Talbot, Alex Petrovic, Brandon Manning, Matt Benning, Alex Chiasson, Ryan Spooner and Tobias Rieder as possible.

    2 – Acquire a scoring forward with term (I think three years, or a player who is still RFA when the current contract is complete).

    3 – Find a righty defenceman (with term) who can play between Larsson on the top pair and Benning, Bear, Bouchard or Persson on the third pair.

    4 – A backup goalie who can push Koskinen. That’s no easy task.

    ———————————————–

    Agree with 1 although it will be tough to move a couple of the guys with term and I personally have zero desire to pay to dispose of those assets. Guys like Manning and Spooner can be buried in the AHL next year (cap savings of $1,075,00 per player) and will provide good injury cover and a guy like Manning could be the Stanton replacement for some veteran leadership (along with Lowe – the rest will be kids).

    Of course, I would like to get rid of both (Spooner wont’ get the shot in the top 6 with this coach) but I won’t pay to do it and I certainly wouldn’t be on board with buying either out.

    2 – seems like an off-season (as opposed to trade deadline type move) – it may also take a few years until we have the cap space and asset base. I would kick the tires on Kapanen as I think that 2nd level offence is where the Leafs will have to let a player go. No, I wouldn’t give up Nurse or the 1st – definitely not Nurse, probably not the 1st.

    3 – seems like an off-season (as opposed to trade deadline type move) and, frankly, I don’t see it happening and we may just be looking at Russell as 2RD yet again next year – perhaps some Sekera.

    We may need to wait 2-3 years until Bouchard is ready for the top 4.

  7. Wilde says:

    The feedback on the Benson profile has been great; thank you Allan for the s/o here as well.

    I’ve just now published a piece that dumps the total data (on-ice shots) for the entire Condors team, and the individual game reports (shots for and against at 5-on-5 in each of the fully tracked games) and combined that with some explanation of what my goals are and shines a light on my process and philosophy in this undertaking.

    http://petropraxis.blogspot.com/2019/01/woodcrofts-corsi-condors-guts-of-project_28.html

    I wrote it to show my work and what I’m referencing as I complete and publish more individual player profiles in the mould of the Tyler Benson one on key Oilers hopefuls like Jones, Lagesson, and Marody.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson is having a very nice season.

    Importantly, he’s healthy once again (*knock on wood*) and his skating has improved a bit through the year.

    As a pure 20 year old rookie pro, he’s having a very strong year – his numbers are assist heavy but he’s got a high volume of shots – there is a shooting percentage regression that should see his goal numbers go up a bit.

    He’s got soft hands and the ability to stickhandle in small spaces and plus vision – his work ethic on the ice is overt and Jay W. consistently talks about his work ethic off the ice.

    I would like him to stay in Bakersfield all year. Let him “over-ripe” and come to camp ready to compete next season.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s called-up post deadline if the team is sellers and needs bodies but I’d prefer him to stay in the Bake and contribute to the playoff run.

  9. Ben says:

    Wilde,

    Hey man, just a note to say thanks for sharing your work! The Benson profile is fabulous, and I like that you’re really measured in terms of projecting these players into the NHL.

    I’ll be curious to see what happens with Benson’s shooting %. And more generally, I wonder which skills in particular prospects might be more like to develop given the proper conditions (ie: how much faster, better positionally, might any given player become by the time they’re 23).

    Cheers.

  10. Buddy says:

    Serious question. Is there anyone currently employed by the Oilers capable of conducting the talent search for the next GM? And of identifying the right choice should he happen to be among the candidates?

    Nicholson clearly doesn’t have a clue. His remark about the new GM needing to fit the team culture has it completely backwards, although I’m a bit hesitant to ever parse his statements too closely, because the next insightful thing Bob Nicholson has to say about hockey will be the first. But I would have thought that the way he hired Chiarelli would be a fireable offence, given what that split second decision has done to the team, so you’d have to be insane to let him do it again.

  11. barry.moore23 says:

    What a sweet goal by Deharnais and in fact that whole sequence leading up to it was fantastic. I woke the wife and cats screaming with joy !! Let’s do it again soon, please.

  12. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I think something around Talbot for Burakovsky may work.

    Washington is struggling and Holtby is struggling right along with them. They may want to add a tender to provide some cover and depth for Holtby – of course, Talbot hasn’t been good this year but could have value for a team going in to the playoffs that is having some tender issues – he’s got a history of success including solid play in the playoffs.

    Burakovsky is not a material part of the Caps roster this year – he’s in the midst of a year after year regression for four years and has 12 points. He’d also need to be qualified at $3.25M to keep his RFA rights.

    I wouldn’t mind the Oilers testing him out in the top 6 for the rest of the season – maybe he clicks and finds his game with the fresh start and is worth a $3.25M QO (or they work out a deal for less AAV prior to the deadline to tender QOs). If he doesn’t click at call, they just don’t qualify him and there is no harm or commitment – its not a big deal as Talbot wasn’t going to re-sign either.

    Oilers may need to retain $500K on Talbot to even out the cap for this year as WSH is right up against it just like the Oil.

    A small piece may need to be added by the Oil.

    If Washington has any sellers remorse they can just reclaim Burakovsky off waivers in March.
    KH/TM + Oilers top 6 = waiver wire or pressbox

  13. BONE207 says:

    When I saw the Sail On headline, I thought: Who has the keys to this Oilers rig & what did they run over? Fortunately there’s no smell & just a pretty picture of Mrs. Lowetide.

    My renewed interest here depends on breaking news. C’mon Alan, I need more. Great job as usual.

  14. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – 3 points out of Wildcard, 5 points away from the basement…

    – They start with B2B’s in Philly and Montreal, fly home to play Chicago, fly to Minny, then fly back to play SJS. Some “weak” teams in there, but compressed schedule, lots of miles

    – But a slow start, and we are talking tank is best: again… uuugggghhhhh

  15. BONE207 says:

    Buddy:
    Serious question. Is there anyone currently employed by the Oilers capable of conducting the talent search for the next GM?

    There’s a game out there that uses a decahedron die (dice). I see the Oilers rolling one of these with NO on 9 of the sides. Somebody please let us enjoy hockey again.

  16. Ivan says:

    Wilde,

    Wilde- Love this project. Outstanding work!

  17. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    At Red Line, we believe he might ultimately become the best all-around balance of offensive upside and physical strength in this year’s class.

    That might be right.

    1st round Dmen that year:

    4Adam Larsson
    9Dougie Hamilton
    10Jonas Brodin
    11Duncan Siemens
    12Ryan Murphy
    14Jamie Oleksiak
    17Nathan Beaulieu
    19Oscar Klefbom
    20Connor Murphy
    23Joe Morrow
    25Stuart Percy

    I think there is a strong argument that Klef is the best all around Dman on that list.

    Hamilton is the other argument in terms of “all around”

    If Larsson had more offense he’d be in the conversation too.

    Don’t sleep on STUART PERCY … 🤓

  18. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    as my memory of Mrs. Lowetide walking out of the Tastee Freez Red Deer in 1983.

    Were you sucking on a chili dog outside the Tastee Freez?

    Offside. For whatever reason this made me LOL.

  19. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    An update on the standings as games get going today, but it looks like no one of consequence to EDM’s playoff hopes play until Friday.

    DAL plays Wednesday at home to BUF, but that’s the only one until Friday.

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY 20
    SJS 13
    VGK 10

    Central
    WPG 16
    NSH 12
    MIN 5

    Wildcard
    DAL 3
    COL 2

    Out of playoffs
    VAN 1
    STL 0
    ANA 0
    ARI 0
    EDM -1
    CHI -6
    LAK -6

    Its a 3 legged turtle race between 7 teams for the 2 wildcard spots.

    One of MIN/DAL/COL/STL will get the 3rd Central spot, so I’ve discounted 1 team to get 7.

    A motivated 97 and 29 with a healthy 77 might get it done…..

  20. Bag of Pucks says:

    BONE207:
    When I saw the Sail On headline, I thought: Who has the keys to this Oilers rig & what did they run over? Fortunately there’s no smell & just a pretty picture of Mrs. Lowetide.

    My renewed interest here depends on breaking news. C’mon Alan, I need more. Great job as usual.

    Mrs. Lowetide looks like Klefbom?

    Dreamy.

  21. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack: Offside. For whatever reason this made me LOL.

    Jack and Diane lyrics

  22. tileguy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Jack and Diane lyrics

    No mold on the old russian this morning.

  23. Woogie63 says:

    What are the rules on getting Joel Persson into Edmonton for an audition this season?

    Is it as simple as recalling him? Do we have to work out compensation for the Lakers?

    We have seen Bear and Jones for 18 games each in the NHL, I would bet these three compete for 2 NHL jobs next year

  24. Wilde says:

    Ben:
    Hey man, just a note to say thanks for sharing your work! The Benson profile is fabulous, and I like that you’re really measured in terms of projecting these players into the NHL.

    I’ll be curious to see what happens with Benson’s shooting %. And more generally, I wonder which skills in particular prospects might be more like to develop given the proper conditions (ie: how much faster, better positionally, might any given player become by the time they’re 23).

    Cheers.

    Thanks for all that.

    My daydream theory is that shooters timeline for figuring out goalies at their level is projectable.

    This is partially informed from the teasing of Valiquette’s data from an Athletic article in November later year:

    “We’d also done a season of U16 hockey for the North Jersey Avalanche, a season for Quinnipiac University and one for the Chicago Steel of the USHL. And you know what I found out? A breakaway for a USHL player on a USHL goalie? One in three, they go in one out of every three times. In the NHL, same thing. College, same thing. And it works over all the shot types. The only way it would change is if Henrik Lundqvist were facing a USHL player on a breakaway.”

    So basically my idea of it is the quicker a guy learns to beat goalies at his level, the more quickly he learns to beat goalies at the next level when he gets there and the further ‘the wall’ is away.

    By ‘the wall’ I mean if a guy takes until his overage year in junior to score goals (assuming he gets TOI before then and legitimately fails to score on merit) then he’s probably not going to score goals in the AHL until like 23-24 and he’s going to hit the wall in the NHL and shoot 5% at his peak at 5v5 if his skating and physicality and sense permit him to even make the NHL.

    It fits into how all the ridiculous, next-level goalscorers like Ovechkin, Laine, Matthews all start scoring goals immediately and how sometimes Lowetide will talk about how the best goalscorers don’t spend much time in the minors.

    Again, just daydreaming.

    With Benson it’s about threat level imo. He definitely gets shots off though, and I do wonder if it’s a strategy for him because of the amount of times he shoots for rebounds in different ways, either looking for the classic leg-pad rebound or the newer version of hard, upper-chest shots – because goalies now respond to attempted rebound shots by just sinking the glove in front of their pad and catching them, or sinking their blocker and sending the rebound hard and wide.

    I was talking about this with a user on Twitter who noted that Benson would shoot for rebounds a lot in Junior and maybe he’s just got a volume mindset when it comes to shooting even though he’s a playmaker type. I did note that he has a few rebound-primary assists that I cut from the final copy of the article b/c I had trouble compiling enough evidence I was comfortable positing from.

    There’s a good example of what I’m talking about if you want to look at my response tweet with the video here: https://twitter.com/keyantonyo/status/1089849687543173121

  25. DBO says:

    Totally on board with Athanasiou as a longer term option. And funny, but what if they went all in somewhat? Could you pull 3 deals that fix most immediate problems and allow us to have 2 of the 3 next year? How much does the playoffs mean to the Psyche of the players and the job security of the management?

    Top Targets that we get next year
    1. Athanasiou (1/2LW with Detroit). 1 year left
    2. Burokovsky (2/3 LW with Washington). RFA

    what would it take?
    1. 2nd rd pick and prospect like Bear . I would consider the 1st if they took Spooner. (Detroit will get something of value for Athanasiou as they are in full rebuild, but could just be prospects)
    2. Chaisson and 3rd for Burakovsky (Scoring cheap winger and a pick for a struggling young guy. No idea if they would want Chaisson, but getting the band back together can work. better the devil you know)

    And then do you make a play for Simmonds? Schenn? Toffoli?

  26. flyfish1168 says:

    Oliver Bjorkstrand a player with skill and good skater having a down year. Right shot and may need a change of scenery. Probably wouldn’t cost much

  27. BONE207 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Mrs. Lowetide looks like Klefbom?

    Dreamy.

    There you have it.

    The balance photo…

    Mrs. LT & Klefbom licking ice cream outside the Tasty Freeze.

  28. Ben says:

    Wilde,

    Really insightful.

    I’ve often thought that shooting percentage in particular was an undervalued/under-explored stat.

    Despite the complex and fluid mechanics of hockey, your roster fundamentally requires a critical mass of guys who can reliably get “on base” (not to diminish everything that goes into generating chances).

  29. Oddspell says:

    Lowetide:
    1. Offload as many of Cam Talbot, Alex Petrovic, Brandon Manning, Matt Benning, Alex Chiasson, Ryan Spooner and Tobias Rieder as possible.
    2. Acquire a scoring forward with term (I think three years, or a player who is still RFA when the current contract is complete).
    3. Find a righty defenceman (with term) who can play between Larsson on the top pair and Benning, Bear, Bouchard or Persson on the third pair.
    4. A backup goalie who can push Koskinen. That’s no easy task.

    I have to think some of Keith’s list will be difficult for the deadline.

    I definitely agree with 1. Unless we win for the next month straight, we need to get as much value for our assets as possible, or sign them for longer.

    2. Seems like a difficult task for the deadline. I’d consider maybe acquiring a struggling young prospect/player a la Dylan Strome trade as a more reasonable target. Tyson Jost in Colorado? Pavel Zacha in NJ? Fiala in Nashville? Obviously there’s Burakovsky in Washington. Chiasson seems like a natural trade chip here. Ideally we add a guy like this (one who we actually think can make progress in Edmonton) at the deadline as well as a more proven guy in the summer.

    3 + 4 both seem like tasks better suited for the draft than the trade deadline, but you never know.

  30. flyfish1168 says:

    Chaisson and Talbot for Burakovsky. this could be a start. Chaisson is familiar with the dressing room

  31. OmJo says:

    Damn. I thought the Oilers traded Klefbom…

    Thanks for the Monday morning heart attack LT!

  32. Hemsky is a gangsta says:

    flyfish1168,

    Interesting idea.

    RE: Brayden Schenn or someone else with a year left (ie Toffoli). What if we sent Bear and a 2nd, as well as Spooner and/or Manning to make the cap work? I assume LA (rebuilding) would be more motivated to do a deal like that than STL (still in the race).

  33. Darth Tu says:

    OmJo,

    I had a dream (nightmare) last night that the Oilers traded Klefbom to the Habs for Peca and the Habs 2nd round pick. Then I saw the title and top picture in the blog this morning and nearly had a heart attack.

  34. Leroy Draisdale says:

    OmJo,

    Me too! Then I saw there were 6 comments total, reread the title and breathed a sigh of relief. Glad the ticker is still strong!

  35. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Lucic is only 2P back of Robert Nilsson in all-time oiler scoring right now! In 15 GP more.

  36. Tapdog says:

    flyfish1168:
    Oliver Bjorkstrand a player with skill and good skater having a down year. Right shot and may need a change of scenery. Probably wouldn’t cost much

    Columbus has him playing 4th line LW so yeah maybe a buy low option on a skilled player here?

  37. Professor Q says:

    BONE207: There’s a game out there that uses a decahedron die (dice). I see the Oilers rolling one of these with NO on 9 of the sides. Somebody please let us enjoy hockey again.

    Who would be the Natural 20?

    Deal with Carolina?

    Dundons and Dragons…

  38. YKOil says:

    Biggest issue re: trade with Washington is cap space – they have very little to play with, even at the deadline.

    Burakovsky represents $3 million out so anything above that has to be carefully considered as much or moreso than the talent being exchanged.

  39. Drew says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    as my memory of Mrs. Lowetide walking out of the Tastee Freez Red Deer in 1983.

    Were you sucking on a chili dog outside the Tastee Freez?

    I can picture a young Lowetide with his white hi-tops, tight jordache jeans, and mullet making his moves.

  40. CapeBretonOilers says:

    Buddy,

    if you have to ask the question ?!

  41. Buddy says:

    CapeBretonOilers:
    Buddy,

    if you have to ask the question?!

    I was afraid that was the answer.

  42. OmJo says:

    L Andre Burakovsky, Washington Capitals. Another player at $3 million, his contract runs out this summer and he is RFA. He is not yet the player his skills imply he should be, and of course that’s why he is available. Intriguing, might be available now.

    For his sake, I hope he stays as far away from this organization as possible because while the Oilers have the C depth and lack of W depth to put him in a position to become the player he should be, I don’t have any reason to believe they would do that based on past behaviour.

  43. OmJo says:

    So somebody close to Nicholson told me that one of the people they’re considering for the general manager role is a man by the name of Pete Chiarello.

    He’s an advocate for fast skilled hockey, doesn’t have any tracksuits in his wardrobe, and is a big fan of Tyler Seguin and Taylor Hall, promising to never trade players of that calibre if he were GM of the Oilers. He graduated from Yale and is a tough negotiator for contracts and trades.

  44. Bag of Pucks says:

    My prediction for second half. The transition game and goaltending looks markedly better with a healthy KBom (and hopefully Sekera) back in the lineup and the team goes on a bit of a run. Not enough to make the dance but enough that a full selloff at the deadline will be a quandary.

    My worry if this happens is they’ll rationalize it as proof that KG is doing well in the chair and they’ll sole source the GM hire. Either that or MacT will fall for a candidate with a sexy wife and they’ll fire Keith over Skype despite him being just down the hall.

  45. Bag of Pucks says:

    OmJo:
    So somebody close to Nicholson told me that one of the people they’re considering for the general manager role is a man by the name of Pete Chiarello.

    He’s an advocate for fast skilled hockey, doesn’t have any tracksuits in his wardrobe, and is a big fan of Tyler Seguin and Taylor Hall, promising to never trade players of that calibre if he were GM of the Oilers. He graduated from Yale and is a tough negotiator for contracts and trades.

    The ‘Opposite George’ hire. I like it!

  46. CapeBretonOilers says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Has there been any recent updates on Sekera ?

  47. OmJo says:

    OBC talk on Oilers Now again. This time Shannon briefly mentioned MacTavish before going back to Kevin Lowe not being involved in the hockey-side of the organization. But mentioned Coffey for good measure though.

    “OBC” is not short for Kevin Lowe.

  48. jtblack says:

    Took me a minute. Great song.

    “A little ditty ’bout Klef & Mrs. LT
    Two American kids growing up in the heart land
    Klef he’s gonna be a hockey star
    Mrs. LT debutante in the back seat of Klef”s car
    Suckin’ on chilli dog outside the Tastee Freez
    ………..

  49. fifthcartel says:

    OmJo,

    I feel like this “Kevin Lowe isn’t involved in hockey ops” response to questions about the OBC still being employed is a coordinated PR campaign from the organization.

  50. Bag of Pucks says:

    CapeBretonOilers:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Has there been anyrecent updates on Sekera ?

    Other than ‘Fragile: Handle with Care?’

    Last I heard he’s skating but still trying to recover strength.

  51. Ice Sage says:

    Great news and great work on Benson.
    He’s not that far removed from dominating Western Canada as a bantam and midget player so it’s nice to see that promise starting to be fulfilled. Keep marinating…

  52. Durag says:

    OmJo:
    So somebody close to Nicholson told me that one of the people they’re considering for the general manager role is a man by the name of Pete Chiarello.

    He’s an advocate for fast skilled hockey, doesn’t have any tracksuits in his wardrobe, and is a big fan of Tyler Seguin and Taylor Hall, promising to never trade players of that calibre if he were GM of the Oilers. He graduated from Yale and is a tough negotiator for contracts and trades.

    He’s also quite dapper with his top hat and twirly moustache.

  53. Pescador says:

    Woogie63:
    What are the rules on getting Joel Persson into Edmonton for an audition this season?

    Is it as simple as recalling him?Do we have to work out compensation for the Lakers?

    We have seen Bear and Jones for 18 games each in the NHL, I would bet these three compete for 2 NHL jobs next year

    I have Bear & 2019 2nd going out for One of the 2 biggest holes currently in the roster;
    A top 6 winger or 2RD.
    2020 1st would also be in play if the return was substantial.

  54. ArmchairGM says:

    Oddspell: Tyson Jost in Colorado

    This. I wonder what the cost would be.

  55. ArmchairGM says:

    Hemsky is a gangsta:
    flyfish1168,

    Interesting idea.

    RE: Brayden Schenn or someone else with a year left (ie Toffoli). What if we sent Bear and a 2nd, as well as Spooner and/or Manning to make the cap work? I assume LA (rebuilding) would be more motivated to do a deal like that than STL (still in the race).

    LA is tight to the cap this year and also next. If they’re selling an asset I think they’d probably prefer futures with no cap coming back.

  56. ArmchairGM says:

    flyfish1168:
    Chaisson and Talbot for Burakovsky. this could be a start. Chaisson is familiar with the dressing room

    I think Talbot has more appeal to SJS than anyone. They’re all in this year, they have Thornton, Pavelski and Karlsson UFA this summer, they have to win now. And yet, their goaltending is flatlining. Also, if trading Talbot we’ll need a competent back up. Therefore I suggest:

    Talbot for Dell and another piece, just not sure what that other piece should be.

  57. ArmchairGM says:

    flyfish1168:
    Oliver Bjorkstrand a player with skill and good skater having a down year. Right shot and may need a change of scenery. Probably wouldn’t cost much

    This is the type of player KG should be looking at. Certainly Toffoli, maybe Fiala too. NSH has $32M in deadline cap space to add for a run, too…

    AA is having a career year, the time to acquire such a player was last summer. Don’t go and overpay for a guy having a career year please!

  58. Leroy Draisdale says:

    CapeBretonOilers:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Has there been anyrecent updates on Sekera ?

    Other than ‘Fragile: Handle with Care?’

    Last I heard he’s skating but still trying to recover strength.

    Fragile…. I didn’t think Sekera was Italian. Having him back in old form would certainly be a major award though!

    https://youtu.be/Yzht2_41caU

  59. ArmchairGM says:

    Pescador: I have Bear & 2019 2nd going out for One of the 2 biggest holes currently in the roster;
    A top 6 winger or 2RD.
    2020 1st would also be in play if the return was substantial.

    Kreider? Not sure Bear + 2nd would do it, but I’d love to see Kreider on the Oil.

  60. YKOil says:

    Could be interested in Bjorkstrand on a flip of contracts basis (maybe with a late round draft pick kicker); at $2.5 per year something has to be headed back to Columbus.

    Maybe sell them on a salary retained Spooner? Spooner (w/$600k retained) and a 6th for Bjorkstrand?

    We get to try a new RW and they get a winger, with a reputation as a scorer, somewhat cheaply and the contract is gone in after next year.

  61. SwedishPoster says:

    For the third straight tournament Joel Persson is on the Swedish NT roster. He hasn’t been blowing the doors off so far internationally but he’s been alright, seems to be focused on the defensive part first and foremost, not as active with the puck as he is in the SHL. Still trying the more creative plays on occasion which is good but I would like to see him take charge more offensively. I do think it’s smart to figure out the D first but hopefully he’s growing more confident with every call up, he’s more efficient when he displays guts with the puck.

    If Berglund had kept up his play from the start of the season he might have gotten a chance with tre kronor as well in one of the tournaments but his play has slowly faded, usually been a solid top 4 D still but the last few weeks he’s been off his game and actually was given third pairing minutes the last two games. I do think it’s just a slump but I’d like to see a bit of push after the international break, think it’s three games and then the break. He can play at a much higher level than he has these last bunch of weeks.

  62. Material Elvis says:

    Thanks to Wilde for all the work you are doing. Well done!

  63. russ99 says:

    Leroy Draisdale,

    Players are on bye until Friday, I suspect we should find out about Sekera and Klefbom’s readiness then.

    Sekera will need an AHL conditioning assignment, a bit surprised he didn’t get assigned yet, but there’s cap implications. Maybe he’s on slow build-up until they can dump some cap.

  64. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    tileguy: No mold on the old russian this morning.

    No, but there is some moss.

  65. Material Elvis says:

    LT, your lists above are pretty spot on but I question if they should turf Benning. I don’t think you get much for him and he’s now a veteran RHD — will likely be better than all of Bouchard, Persson, Bear, etc., next season. I don’t love him but I’d keep him.

    And the assets in play/out should include JP and Yamamoto, no?

  66. Material Elvis says:

    SwedishPoster,

    What international tournament are you referring to?

  67. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    fifthcartel:
    OmJo,

    I feel like this “Kevin Lowe isn’t involved in hockey ops” response to questions about the OBC still being employed is a coordinated PR campaign from the organization.

    – Yup – the fact this is reported, means they are being fed. There has been only push-back and defense of the OBC post-Chia, dutifully reported as fact: they are all safe (and more powerful)

    – It’s going to be a McCrimmon/K Gretz/MacT/Howson/Sutter/W Gretz/Lowe braintrust: book it

    P.S. – Wilde is crushing it: love the X on video to hone in on the exact thing he’s analyzing

  68. BONE207 says:

    Material Elvis:
    SwedishPoster,

    What international tournament are you referring to?

    World Championships are every spring, usually May. I was at the one in Paris/Cologne. Fun times & more singing than you hear at Rogers Place. Then there is the street parties. Hockey tailgating…

  69. Material Elvis says:

    russ99:
    Leroy Draisdale,

    Players are on bye until Friday, I suspect we should find out about Sekera and Klefbom’s readiness then.

    Sekera will need an AHL conditioning assignment, a bit surprised he didn’t get assigned yet, but there’s cap implications. Maybe he’s on slow build-up until they can dump some cap.

    That Achilles injury is going to take awhile before he gets back to 100%. Guy on my team took 9 months before he felt back to normal after his Achilles injury (ruptured not just torn). I get that Sekera is a professional athlete but buddy is pretty f’n athletic, too, and it took awhile before he was right. That puts Sekera into March/April territory. It probably doesn’t bug him when he’s walking, but skating at an NHL level is something way different.

  70. CapeBretonOilers says:

    russ99,

    what happened t o sekera playing in the “a” at the beginning of the month

  71. SwedishPoster says:

    Material Elvis:
    SwedishPoster,

    What international tournament are you referring to?

    Beijer hockey games. Part of the Euro Hockey Tour, a bunch of tournaments for the top euro countries with teams made out of guys from the different euro leagues. They are tournaments but really more friendlies leading up to the world championships where most guys gets replaced by NHLers. At least for the Swedish team.
    It’s a step up in quality compared to the euro leauge hockey, including the KHL, and a great learning experience for Persson.

  72. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    CapeBretonOilers:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Has there been anyrecent updates on Sekera ?

    I’m getting the “Robidas Island” feeling from the lack of Sekera info.

  73. commonfan29 says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Where he’ll be receiving his “Ference Hip Cheques?”

  74. John Chambers says:

    Re: McDonagh

    Interesting to think what the last 2.5 seasons would look like with a defensive personnel of:
    McDonagh – Sekera
    Klefbom -Russell
    Nurse – Benning

    That’s five left sticks, albeit with a true #1 defender on a low-cost deal.

    In his presser after the Larsson trade, Chiarelli stressed his desire for “permanence”, to equilibriate the right-left balance, and to bring in a player young enough to be part of the core for a long time.

    I can’t fault his logic there, and after a lousy ‘15-‘16 campaign for Taylor Hall (he was shitty over the last ~30 games of the season), the thinking was that he was expendable as a result of Puljujarvi falling into their lap.

    However the best-laid plan of mice and GM’s …

  75. ArmchairGM says:

    YKOil:
    Could be interested in Bjorkstrand on a flip of contracts basis (maybe with a late round draft pick kicker); at $2.5 per year something has to be headed back to Columbus.

    Maybe sell them on a salary retained Spooner?Spooner (w/$600k retained) and a 6th for Bjorkstrand?

    We get to try a new RW and they get a winger, with a reputation as a scorer, somewhat cheaply and the contract is gone in after next year.

    Do we want him at all though? He may have slow boots:

    “Shoots the puck well and has the natural instincts of a pure sniper. His hockey sense is above-average because he knows where to be to score. His hand/eye coordination is also a big plus. Does not skate very well, so he may have scoring limitations at the highest level as a result. Also, he lacks ideal size for the National Hockey League game and must continue to get stronger.”

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: If Washington has any sellers remorse they can just reclaim Burakovsky off waivers in March.
    KH/TM + Oilers top 6 = waiver wire or pressbox

    Yup, that’s the way its gone so far – and a HUGE fail of our new coach so far, in my opinion.

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    It boggles my mind that the Oilers remain 3 points out after the last week and that, if they had won those last two games, both winnable games, they’d actually be sitting in a wild card spot.

    My gosh the tier of suck the Oilers are in is real and its spectacular….

  78. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yup, that’s the way its gone so far – and a HUGE fail of our new coach so far, in my opinion.

    Which is probably why some are talking about acquiring a more material player that Hitchcock would be willing to play in the top-6 on reputation: AA, Toffoli, Kreider, etc. Higher cost but at least the asset is unlikely to get flushed.

  79. Professor Q says:

    John Chambers:
    Re: McDonagh

    Interesting to think what the last 2.5 seasons would look like with a defensive personnel of:
    McDonagh – Sekera
    Klefbom -Russell
    Nurse – Benning

    That’s five left sticks, albeit with a true #1 defender on a low-cost deal.

    In his presser after the Larsson trade, Chiarelli stressed his desire for “permanence”, to equilibriate the right-left balance, and to bring in a player young enough to be part of the core for a long time.

    I can’t fault his logic there, and after a lousy ‘15-‘16 campaign for Taylor Hall (he was shitty over the last ~30 games of the season), the thinking was that he was expendable as a result of Puljujarvi falling into their lap.

    However the best-laid plan of mice and GM’s …

    I wonder how many people prefer the McDonough trade to the Subban trade, or vice versa? Why, if either?

  80. jtblack says:

    John Chambers:
    Re: McDonagh

    Interesting to think what the last 2.5 seasons would look like with a defensive personnel of:
    McDonagh – Sekera
    Klefbom -Russell
    Nurse – Benning

    That’s five left sticks, albeit with a true #1 defender on a low-cost deal.

    In his presser after the Larsson trade, Chiarelli stressed his desire for “permanence”, to equilibriate the right-left balance, and to bring in a player young enough to be part of the core for a long time.

    I can’t fault his logic there, and after a lousy ‘15-‘16 campaign for Taylor Hall (he was shitty over the last ~30 games of the season), the thinking was that he was expendable as a result of Puljujarvi falling into their lap.

    However the best-laid plan of mice and GM’s …

    IMO. PC just didn’t finish the job. it’s like he would GIVE up the world in the Reinhart and Larsson deals to try and fix the D. And then he just was nibbling around the edges.

    I think PC should have made every effort to land a true #2 RHD (not Russell). Whether by FA or using a package with Eberle (or whoever). You can’t tell me Eberle, a 2nd and a prospect wouldn’t have got a good d man??

  81. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    It boggles my mind that the Oilers remain 3 points out after the last week and that, if they had won those last two games, both winnable games, they’d actually be sitting in a wild card spot.

    My gosh the tier of suck the Oilers are in is real and its spectacular….
    **********************************************************************************************
    Now, you are coming around…..

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    What are the rules on getting Joel Persson into Edmonton for an audition this season?

    Is it as simple as recalling him?Do we have to work out compensation for the Lakers?

    We have seen Bear and Jones for 18 games each in the NHL, I would bet these three compete for 2 NHL jobs next year

    Persson is on loan to Vaxjo – I think they could bring him over at any point, however, given the (verbal) agreement between Persson and the team when the contract was signed, I assume they do not do that until Persson’s SHL season is over (if at all).

    I agree that Persson, Bear and Jones will all be legit contenders for an NHL job next year – as I’ve professed many times, they are part of a large swath of prospect d-man that could legit prove to be NHL ready next season (add Lagesson and Bouchard).

    I believe we have to add Bouchard to the competition for the roster spot – I personally think he should be penciled in for the AHL to start the year (and for a while), however, we know this organization is very likely to start him in the NHL – sigh.

    Its too bad as well as we look to have enough depth with these potentially graduating prospects to allow Bouchard the proper development time and to not rush him.

  83. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    commonfan29:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Where he’ll be receiving his “Ference Hip Cheques?”

    Well done.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chiasson for Burakovsky doesn’t really work cap wise.

    I think Talbot is the better option given WSH’s struggles and Holtby’s struggles – Oil would probably need to retain about $500K to make it cap neutral as WSH is just as effed on the cap this year as the Oilers are.

    A small piece would likely need to be added but lets not forget, in order to keep Burakovsky’s RFA rights, he needs to be qualified at $3.25M so that fact should reduce his trade value – an acquiring team may be thinking of him as a pseudo-UFA rental given the QO requirement.

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    \

    Leroy Draisdale:
    OmJo,

    Me too! Then I saw there were 6 comments total, reread the title and breathed a sigh of relief. Glad the ticker is still strong!

    You also had a dream that “the Oilers traded Klefbom to the Habs for Peca”? How bizarre….

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    YKOil:
    Biggest issue re: trade with Washington is cap space – they have very little to play with, even at the deadline.

    Burakovsky represents $3 million out so anything above that has to be carefully considered as much or moreso than the talent being exchanged.

    and the Oilers are in the same spot which is why I like the Talbot (with $500K retained to make it cap neutral) for Burakovsky. I think the Caps could use some tending cover for a struggling Holtby more than a depth scoring winger.

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: I have Bear & 2019 2nd going out for One of the 2 biggest holes currently in the roster;
    A top 6 winger or 2RD.
    2020 1st would also be in play if the return was substantial.

    Alot more cap would need to be going out as well I would think…..

  88. Professor Q says:

    Dallas reacquired Jamie Oleksiak.

    Edmonton should follow suit with Hall.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    SwedishPoster:
    For the third straight tournament Joel Persson is on the Swedish NT roster. He hasn’t been blowing the doors off so far internationally but he’s been alright, seems to be focused on the defensive part first and foremost, not as active with the puck as he is in the SHL. Still trying the more creative plays on occasion which is good but I would like to see him take charge more offensively. I do think it’s smart to figure out the D first but hopefully he’s growing more confident with every call up, he’s more efficient when he displays guts with the puck.

    If Berglund had kept up his play from the start of the season he might have gotten a chance with tre kronor as well in one of the tournaments but his play has slowly faded, usually been a solid top 4 D still but the last few weeks he’s been off his game and actually was given third pairing minutes the last two games. I do think it’s just a slump but I’d like to see a bit of push after the international break, think it’s three games and then the break. He can play at a much higher level than he has these last bunch of weeks.

    I saw that Persson was chosen – what tournament is this?

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    Leroy Draisdale,

    Players are on bye until Friday, I suspect we should find out about Sekera and Klefbom’s readiness then.

    Sekera will need an AHL conditioning assignment, a bit surprised he didn’t get assigned yet, but there’s cap implications. Maybe he’s on slow build-up until they can dump some cap.

    Also, the AHL all-star break is on now and, after its last game on Saturday, it dosn’t play until Friday.

    Remember, the conditioning stint is a max of 3 games and 10 days so, with the big break, it may not have made sense to assign him.

    Of course, he may not be ready yet either.

    I’ll need to look closer at the cap implications of recent moves, however, it should be hard to make the roster adjustments to get cap compliant. With Klef being activated, we’ll be able to clear the cap of the player sent down to make the roster room (maybe that’s Manning and the team saves over $1M).

    Remember, part of the reason we were so far in to LTIR relief is we had about 3-4 players on IR who count against the cap plus the 23 on the roster. With Klef and Petrovic and Sekera all activated three players get re-assigned decreasing the cap materially.

  91. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Chiasson for Burakovsky doesn’t really work cap wise.

    I think Talbot is the better option given WSH’s struggles and Holtby’s struggles – Oil would probably need to retain about $500K to make it cap neutral as WSH is just as effed on the cap this year as the Oilers are.

    A small piece would likely need to be added but lets not forget, in order to keep Burakovsky’s RFA rights, he needs to be qualified at $3.25M so that fact should reduce his trade value – an acquiring team may be thinking of him as a pseudo-UFA rental given the QO requirement.

    Forget retention. We’d need a backup, so just throw Copley into the deal.

    Talbot for Burakovsky + Copley.

    2 test-drives, we could re-sign one or both in the summer if they work out.

  92. ArmchairGM says:

    San Jose is a prime destination for Talbot also.

  93. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    It boggles my mind that the Oilers remain 3 points out after the last week and that, if they had won those last two games, both winnable games, they’d actually be sitting in a wild card spot.

    My gosh the tier of suck the Oilers are in is real and its spectacular….

    We are only close because their is a logjam of teams from 7th to about 12th that are having seasons that are not as good as seasons we usually see from those spots.

    Ie. 8th place team in west last year had 57 points at this point.

    Hope Oilers can take advantage in the “west Turtle Race” this year.

  94. John Chambers says:

    Professor Q,

    As I see it Chiarelli had four options:

    1) #4 OV for McDonagh
    2) Hall for Larsson
    3) Draisaitl & Klef for Subban
    4) sign Jason Demers

    Probably some deal for Hamonic was also floated.

    They all represent sub-optimal outcomes. The lesson here is to never be so badly deficient at a single position.

  95. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Drew: I can picture a young Lowetide with his white hi-tops, tight jordache jeans, and mullet making his moves.

    Awesome

  96. leadfarmer says:

    Professor Q:
    Dallas reacquired Jamie Oleksiak.

    Edmonton should follow suit with Hall.

    We will start the bidding at a 4th rounder

  97. LadiesloveSmid says:

    John Chambers,

    I sign Demers, don’t sign Lucic, and draft Barzal so hard

  98. drglen says:

    scaring me with your assets out list.

    dont trade Nurse
    Don’t trade Bouchard
    Don’t trade bear

    Id keep Khaira but he is tradeable and valuable

    Benning , you can afford to trade.

    Don’t trade the first round pick unless you win that trade. That means the player the player is 24-26 years old, not older, and a proven 20 goal 50 point kind of person, and term is 2 years or less. Take the lesson from the Colorado Avalanche.

    I would add yamamoto to the assets out list.

  99. Bling says:

    leadfarmer: We will start the bidding at a 4th rounder

    I didn’t get a chance to reply to this in the last thread, but there was some concern over some decline in Hall’s numbers if we were to sign him as an UFA.

    Aging curves are generally quite generous to elite players. I think that’s why you saw Dubas open the Brinks truck for Tavares.

    A 28 year old Taylor Hall (his age at UFA) could be quite productive into his early thirties. You wouldn’t go 10 years for him, but 5-6 isn’t unreasonable.

  100. Bling says:

    John Chambers:
    Professor Q,

    As I see it Chiarelli had four options:

    1) #4 OV for McDonagh
    2) Hall for Larsson
    3) Draisaitl & Klef for Subban
    4) sign Jason Demers

    Probably some deal for Hamonic was also floated.

    They all represent sub-optimal outcomes. The lesson here is to never be so badly deficient at a single position.

    Signing Demers was the play of the day at that time and a lot of people were saying it.

    Chia over-estimated what Lucic and Pulju could bring. If Pulju was a first liner out of the box and Lucic maintained 2.0 EVP/60, he is still around today.

    Granted, Lucic was already dropping off at evens when that contract was signed…

  101. digger50 says:

    jtblack: IMO. PC just didn’t finish the job.it’s like he would GIVE up the world in the Reinhartand Larsson deals to try and fix the D.And then he just was nibbling around the edges.

    I think PC should have made every effort to land a true #2 RHD (not Russell). Whether by FA or using a package with Eberle (or whoever).You can’t tell me Eberle, a 2nd and a prospect wouldn’t have got a good d man??

    I agree

    I think the play should have centered around Eberle and Hamonic. I know Hamonic went on to a bad year but he was available and a reasonable bet on that day – Chia targeted Strome instead. That was the mistake in my opinion.

  102. Darth Tu says:

    Bling,

    How can it be possible that Taylor Hall is 27 going on 28? I feel old. Horribly old.

    Full admission, I was completely behind the Larsson trade at the time, but I’d take Hall back here in a heart beat. I’m not afraid to admit I was wrong. Forgive me Taylor!

  103. Drew says:

    Bling: Signing Demers was the play of the day at that time and a lot of people were saying it.

    Chia over-estimated what Lucic and Pulju could bring. If Pulju was a first liner out of the box and Lucic maintained 2.0 EVP/60, he is still around today.

    Granted, Lucic was already dropping off at evens when that contract was signed…

    Hey don’t you know Demers came to Edmonton to do a tour just to fake out the league. He had no real interest in signing here. he just wanted to site see. 🙂

  104. John Chambers says:

    Bling,

    Demers was terrible his first year in Florida, played ok for a bad AZ team last year, and has been injured most of this year. Hardly a solution to ‘solve’ the defense.

    And yet you may be correct in asserting that it was the best option.

    It certainly illustrates what lousy options the GM had.

  105. Primetime says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Chiasson for Burakovsky doesn’t really work cap wise.

    I think Talbot is the better option given WSH’s struggles and Holtby’s struggles – Oil would probably need to retain about $500K to make it cap neutral as WSH is just as effed on the cap this year as the Oilers are.

    Friedman had the ask by Washington on Burakovsky as a 2nd and 3rd rounder. I think they are looking to get rid of him without taking on any cap…either to help with next year (2 picks) or to leave some space for another deadline acquisition for a the Cup run this year.

    I really don’t think that a $4 million backup goalie makes sense for the Caps. Even if Holtby is struggling, they will live and die with him as he won them a Cup last spring. It doesn’t make sense to have that amount of Cap space sitting on the bench all spring, when they could use it on other players that may actually see the ice in the playoffs.

    Maybe you could convince them to take Chiasson and a draft pick instead of 2 picks, but don’t think Talbot would even get on their radar

  106. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar: YKOil:
    Biggest issue re: trade with Washington is cap space – they have very little to play with, even at the deadline.

    Burakovsky represents $3 million out so anything above that has to be carefully considered as much or moreso than the talent being exchanged.

    and the Oilers are in the same spot which is why I like the Talbot (with $500K retained to make it cap neutral) for Burakovsky. I think the Caps could use some tending cover for a struggling Holtby more than a depth scoring winger.

    Hate to go all “Bill Nye Math Guy” on you, but retaining $500K on Talbot wouldn’t make it cap neutral:

    Washington: Burakovsky out ( $3.0 ) Talbot in ($3.667 ) = net cap hit increase
    Edmonton: Talbot out ( $3.667 ) Burakovsky in ( $3.0 ) = net cap hit decrease

    Consider the Strome ( $3.1 ) for Spooner ( $4.0 ) trade.
    NYR had to retain $900K to make it cap neutral.

  107. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    John Chambers:
    Bling,

    Demers was terrible his first year in Florida, played ok for a bad AZ team last year, and has been injured most of this year. Hardly a solution to ‘solve’ the defense.

    And yet you may be correct in asserting that it was the best option.

    It certainly illustrates what lousy options the GM had.

    Demers was not terrible in FLA.

    His 5v5 GF% was 5% better than Ekblad

    Why do you say he was terrible?

  108. Bling says:

    John Chambers:
    Bling,

    Demers was terrible his first year in Florida, played ok for a bad AZ team last year, and has been injured most of this year. Hardly a solution to ‘solve’ the defense.

    And yet you may be correct in asserting that it was the best option.

    It certainly illustrates what lousy options the GM had.

    The options were lousy and what is infuriating is that had Boston not had such sour grapes, they would have traded Dougie Hamilton to us instead of the Flames.

    If that happens, there’s no Reinhart trade and there’s no Hall trade.

    I will admit that I held out some hope that Larsson had some untapped offensive potential that could have made him a premier D. I had a lot of hope that he could become an elite outlet passer. That never did materialize, and of course Hall won the Hart. Not only that, but Hall’s supposed replacements — Lucic and Puljujarvi — effectively fizzled out completely. The worst case scenario on the Oilers side came to pass, while the best case scenario on NJ’s side came to pass.

    I think there is a lot of irony in the fact that we will be exiting cap hell as Taylor Hall becomes available.

    If he’s not sour on Edmonton, he can be McCrimmon’s Tavares.

  109. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    – It’s going to be a McCrimmon/K Gretz/MacT/Howson/Sutter/W Gretz/Lowe braintrust: book it

    My only quibble is that I wouldn’t bet on Duane Sutter surviving the GM change.

  110. Bling says:

    Darth Tu:
    Bling,

    How can it be possible that Taylor Hall is 27 going on 28?I feel old. Horribly old.

    Full admission, I was completely behind the Larsson trade at the time, but I’d take Hall back here in a heart beat.I’m not afraid to admit I was wrong. Forgive me Taylor!

    I held out some hope that Larsson could be a legit top pairing RHD with some offence. I, too, was wrong on that score.

    Larsson is a hell of a player, but for that trade to have been even he needed to have taken a step forward and he didn’t.

  111. Munny says:

    Was watching That’s Hockey and stepped outside during the break for a Melvis, come back and all heck broke loose.

  112. Munny says:

    So Leafs trade for

    Muzzzin

    in exchange for

    Grundstrom
    Durzi
    2019 1st

  113. Munny says:

    Muzzin of course being a LHS (except on iOS).

  114. Bling says:

    John Chambers:
    Bling,

    Demers was terrible his first year in Florida, played ok for a bad AZ team last year, and has been injured most of this year. Hardly a solution to ‘solve’ the defense.

    And yet you may be correct in asserting that it was the best option.

    It certainly illustrates what lousy options the GM had.

    Look at what guys like Hainsey are doing for the Leafs.

    I think Larsson is a superior player to Demers, but maybe Demers is good enough if you can run Hall/McDavid/RNH/Draisaitl. I think a lot of people were arguing that at the time.

  115. Bling says:

    Munny,

    Great trade for Dubas.

    That’s how you fill a hole in your D-core, damn.

  116. Munny says:

    Bling:
    Munny,

    Great trade for Dubas.

    That’s how you fill a hole in your D-core, damn.

    Well, I think they would have preferred a rightie to really fill a hole.

    But like anything else, take the best player available. I doubt there was a rightie of Muzzin’s quality available.

    Throw in a bonus year to go on the contract for the amazing low low price of $4M caphit, and the Leafs are now new and improved. They would’ve been nuts not to be chasing Muzz actually.

  117. Drew says:

    Bling: Look at what guys like Hainsey are doing for the Leafs.

    I think Larsson is a superior player to Demers, but maybe Demers is good enough if you can run Hall/McDavid/RNH/Draisaitl. I think a lot of people were arguing that at the time.

    I certainly was, go after Pysyk as well and you have serviceable right side and the best top 4 in the league at forward. Also would not have the boat anchor Russel contract (who is OK as a 3rd pair LHD)

    Haaa, if only.

  118. godot10 says:

    Munny: Well, I think they would have preferred a rightie to really fill a hole.

    But like anything else, take the best player available. I doubt there was a rightie of Muzzin’s quality available.

    Throw in a bonus year to go on the contract for the amazing low low price of $4M caphit, and the Leafs are now new and improved.They would’ve been nuts not to be chasing Muzz actually.

    And now they can threaten to let Gardiner walk in the summer, leverage in the contract negotiatons, as they have a replacement in hand, and a year closer to Lillegren and Sandin.

  119. Munny says:

    godot10,

    That or Gardiner is now trade bait. I think they’ll, at the least, let other teams kick the tires now.

  120. Bag of Pucks says:

    “So let it rock, let it roll…
    Get another sniper for the ‘balance photo!’”
    Hold on to 97 as long as you can
    Change the roster real soon
    To win us Stanley again.”

  121. leadfarmer says:

    So the Leafs added more cap to their troubles. Interesting

  122. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bling:
    Munny,

    Great trade for Dubas.

    That’s how you fill a hole in your D-core, damn.

    With a 30 yr old left handed dman.

    Good for their playoff runs this year and next.

  123. leadfarmer says:

    Munny:
    godot10,

    That or Gardiner is now trade bait.I think they’ll, at the least, let other teams kick the tires now.

    Gardiner has been trade bait for years

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    BONE207: World Championships are every spring, usually May. I was at the one in Paris/Cologne. Fun times & more singing than you hear at Rogers Place. Then there is the street parties. Hockey tailgating…

    I don’t think that’s what this is – The SHL seems to take these breaks a few times in the season where international games are played – I think.

    I think its the Elite Hockey Tour which played a few games earlier in the year:

    The Euro Hockey Tour (EHT) is an annual ice hockey tournament only open to the national men’s teams of the Czech Republic, Finland, Russia and Sweden. Most of the teams use the competition as a preparation for the upcoming World Championships or Olympics, allowing less experienced players to collect valuable ice time in their national colours.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_Hockey_Tour

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material Elvis: That Achilles injury is going to take awhile before he gets back to 100%.Guy on my team took 9 months before he felt back to normal after his Achilles injury (ruptured not just torn).I get that Sekera is a professional athlete but buddy is pretty f’n athletic, too, and it took awhile before he was right. That puts Sekera into March/April territory.It probably doesn’t bug him when he’s walking, but skating at an NHL level is something way different.

    From what I’ve been told (by a husband of a doctor) – huge difference between rupture and tear.

    There have been lots of NHLers come back from an achillies tear and regain form quickly.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Beijer hockey games. Part of the Euro Hockey Tour, a bunch of tournaments for the top euro countries with teams made out of guys from the different euro leagues. They are tournaments but really more friendlies leading up to the world championships where most guys gets replaced by NHLers. At least for the Swedish team.
    It’s a step up in quality compared to the euro leauge hockey, including the KHL, and a great learning experience for Persson.

    Sure as hell hope not – that would be awful for managing our cap.

    No news is not necessarily bad new and this organization has been quiet on injuries like this for a very long time.

    Remember, once he’s activiated, the conditioning stint is 3 games and 10 days max so he’ll be in the NHL within 10 days – he won’t be spending weeks down in the A so they will want to make sure he’s ready to go (and the Condors don’t play until Friday – no point in activating him earlier, may not even get the 3 games if they did).

    Time will tell.

  127. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Demers was not terrible in FLA.

    His 5v5 GF% was 5% better than Ekblad

    Why do you say he was terrible?

    HE without a doubt had a horrendous year.
    Without Yandle he was under 40% GF. WIthout Trocheck he was 40.5%. Without Barkov he was 37%
    He had a very bad year and Florida couldnt get rid of him fast enough.
    Very hard to argue for a player when the majority of the team is better without that player than that player without Demers in every major statistical catagory
    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20162017&thruseason=20162017&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8474218

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Forget retention. We’d need a backup, so just throw Copley into the deal.

    Talbot for Burakovsky + Copley.

    2 test-drives, we could re-sign one or both in the summer if they work out.

    Good point and that makes sense – thank you.

    Am I off or does this deal (Oil may need to throw in a Berglund type piece) make sense all around?

  129. McSorley33 says:

    When asked NHL veteran Sam Gagner ( loaned to the Marlies) named LW Carl Grundstrom as the player who impressed him the most.

  130. Material Elvis says:

    OriginalPouzar: From what I’ve been told (by a husband of a doctor) – huge difference between rupture and tear.

    There have been lots of NHLers come back from an achillies tear and regain form quickly.

    I’m skeptical. I hope you’re right but wouldn’t count on it.

  131. leadfarmer says:

    Material Elvis: I’m skeptical.I hope you’re right but wouldn’t count on it.

    Hes right. Count on it

  132. Material Elvis says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t think that’s what this is – The SHL seems to take these breaks a few times in the season where international games are played – I think.

    I think its the Elite Hockey Tour which played a few games earlier in the year:

    The Euro Hockey Tour (EHT) is an annual ice hockey tournament only open to the national men’s teams of the Czech Republic, Finland, Russia and Sweden. Most of the teams use the competition as a preparation for the upcoming World Championships or Olympics, allowing less experienced players to collect valuable ice time in their national colours.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_Hockey_Tour

    Swedishposter gave a detailed response above.

  133. Dicky94 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I like that trade. Make the call OP.

  134. Material Elvis says:

    leadfarmer: Hes right.Count on it

    I’ll remain skeptical, thanks.

  135. Dicky94 says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Good trade for both sides. Damn you Toronto!!

  136. Material Elvis says:

    leadfarmer: Gardiner has been trade bait for years

    What are you basing this statement on? I don’t recall his name being involved in trade rumors ‘for years’. Seems like he’s been an important part of their defense for many years.

  137. Material Elvis says:

    godot10: And now they can threaten to let Gardiner walk in the summer, leverage in the contract negotiatons, as they have a replacement in hand, and a year closer to Lillegren and Sandin.

    Limited cap space after their RFA’s are signed likely precluded them from signing him anyway. This probably seals the deal.

  138. who says:

    digger50: I agree

    I think the play should have centered around Eberle and Hamonic. I know Hamonic went on to a bad year but he was available and a reasonable bet on that day– Chia targeted Strome instead. That was the mistake in my opinion.

    Hamonic was available for Hall. I don’t think he was ever on the table for Eberle although I think the Oilers tried.
    Eberle for Hamonic would have been great for the Oilers but I don’t think the Islanders were willing to even discuss it.
    People on this blog really over estimate what Eberles trade value was in his last 2 years here.

  139. JimmyV1965 says:

    Brad May was on Stauffer’s show today and said he thought it unlikely the Caps would trade for a godlie. The issue there, he said, is the team’s defensive play. Not the goalies.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material Elvis: What are you basing this statement on?I don’t recall his name being involved in trade rumors ‘for years’.Seems like he’s been an important part of their defense for many years.

    Trade bait by the fan-base, for sure – not necessarily by management though.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Brad May was onStauffer’s show today and said he thought it unlikely the Caps would trade for a godlie.The issue there, he said, is the team’s defensive play. Not the goalies.

    Wait a second now….. poor defensive play can impact the goalie?

    Who would have thunk it?????

  142. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Dicky94:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Good trade for both sides. Damn you Toronto!!

    – Really think its a good trade? Sure the Leafs are better, but it shows how expensive D are: a first an 2 second round players for a year and 30 games of a 29 year D :

    This looks pretty good though,:

    Morgan – Muzzin
    Jake – Zaitsev
    Travis – Hainsey
    Marincin (eowwww)

    – Guess Leafs are going for it….

  143. Jaxon says:

    With Muzzin joining the Leafs and no roster players going out in that trade, the Leafs will have to send someone down once Tyler Ennis returns from injury. If it’s Justin Holl, I think the Oilers should claim him. But it could be Marincin or it could be Ozhiganov who doesn’t have to clear waivers. Holl deserves a shot.

  144. OmJo says:

    Bling: Look at what guys like Hainsey are doing for the Leafs.

    I think Larsson is a superior player to Demers, but maybe Demers is good enough if you can run Hall/McDavid/RNH/Draisaitl. I think a lot of people were arguing that at the time.

    Yup.

    Larsson is better than Demers at D. But I think Demers has the edge at offense.

    Who’s the better all-around D?

  145. OmJo says:

    who: Hamonic was available for Hall. I don’t think he was ever on the table for Eberlealthough I think the Oilers tried.
    Eberle for Hamonic would have been great for the Oilers but I don’t think the Islanders were willing to even discuss it.
    People on this blog really over estimate what Eberles trade value was in his last 2 years here.

    Cody Ceci was also available for Hall. Heh.

  146. who says:

    OmJo: Yup.

    Larsson is better than Demers at D. But I think Demers has the edge at offense.

    Who’s the better all-around D?

    Larsson. And I don’t think it’s really close.

  147. digger50 says:

    who: Hamonic was available for Hall. I don’t think he was ever on the table for Eberlealthough I think the Oilers tried.
    Eberle for Hamonic would have been great for the Oilers but I don’t think the Islanders were willing to even discuss it.
    People on this blog really over estimate what Eberles trade value was in his last 2 years here.

    You are doing some Chiarelli thinking ala one for one. The trade may need dressed up a bit, as stated they should be the centrepieces.

    Hamonic was traded the next week, certainly he was on the table. Or again Peter allowed the Islanders to dictate? Maybe. But more likely based on the verbal all summer was that Peter was100% focused on a Strome.

    As for Hall for Hamonic I don’t think there ever was evidence or rumor of that.

  148. Pescador says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    “So let it rock, let it roll…
    Get another sniper for the ‘balance photo!’”
    Hold on to 97 as long as you can
    Change the roster real soon
    To win us Stanley again.”

    Nice,
    A little diddy

  149. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Demers was not terrible in FLA.

    His 5v5 GF% was 5% better than Ekblad

    Why do you say he was terrible?

    I’m not sure whether I read that or assumed it becuae FLA traded him with salary retained.

    I guess the theme of what I’m suggesting is that there were no really great options to address the D – but stated that signing Demers was the least worst option. Apparently he wanted $5.5 x 6 to play here.

  150. DBO says:

    Muzzin just set the price point. Top pairing with term is a 1st and solid prospect.

    So Athanasiou should be no more then a 2nd and mid level prospect. That’s a solid price to fill a huge need.

    Deal Chiasson for a 3rd or whatever you can get. Same with Talbot. And Petrovic. And use those picks to fill other needs.

    Athanasiou for a 2nd and Bear
    Burakovsky for Talbot and Kassian
    Petrovic for a 5th
    Faulk for Chiasson and Benning
    And if you can make it happen, deal Spooner or Manning along with a pick to shed salary. Can be done in off season.

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Really think its a good trade?Sure the Leafs are better, but it shows how expensive D are: a first an 2 second round players for a year and 30 games of a 29 year D :

    Muzzin is not a rental – he is signed for next season at just over $4M – a good cap hit.

    Of course, this further muddies the water with respect to their cap situation for next season but it definitely makes them better today.

    Lets also not forget that the Leafs 1st round pick is vastly different that the Oilers first round pick this year, for example (not all first round picks are created equal).

  152. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: Wait a second now….. poor defensive play can impact the goalie?

    Who would have thunk it?????

    X-many years on the blog & you’ve finally turned cynical,
    I like the new originalpouzar 2.0

  153. John Chambers says:

    DBO,

    DBO for GM.

    Seriously, if those deals happened I’d be overjoyed.

  154. OmJo says:

    John Chambers,

    Florida did lots of stupid things including trading Smith so that Vegas would pick Marchessault while protecting Petrovic. Then months later they gave Arizona their 1RD with salary retained.

  155. OmJo says:

    If the Leafs win the Stanley Cup this season I’ll have to skip next season.

    The coverage in this country will be unbearable and the inevitable cup comparison between Matthews and McDavid while asking “who’s the better player?” might make me become violent.

  156. Pescador says:

    digger50: You are doing some Chiarelli thinking ala one for one. The trade may need dressed up a bit, as stated they should be the centrepieces.

    Hamonic was traded the next week, certainly he was on the table. Or again Peter allowed the Islanders to dictate? Maybe. But more likely based on the verbal all summer was that Peter was100% focused on a Strome.

    As for Hall for Hamonic I don’t think there ever was evidence or rumor of that.

    Hamonic was traded for a package that most posters on this site deemed a steep overpay.
    I’m no Chiarelli apologist, I quoted this fine piece of blog poetry just yesterday: “fuck that guy”
    I’m guessing the Islanders set the price & the Oil didn’t have what they wanted or didn’t want to pay it

  157. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: Wait a second now….. poor defensive play can impact the goalie?

    Who would have thunk it?????

    It’s crazy to think about but historically hockey nerds have tried and failed for years to demonstrate that coaching systems could impact goalie save percentage. The same can be said of trying to tie dmen to SV%.

    Intuitively it seems patently obviously that dmen could impact goalie sv%, but show me a study connecting the dots.

    This has been the quintessential argument against the Ricki box defenseman.

  158. Pescador says:

    OmJo:
    If the Leafs win the Stanley Cup this season I’ll have to skip next season.

    The coverage in this country will be unbearable and the inevitable cup comparison between Matthews and McDavid while asking “who’s the better player?” might make me become violent.

    Just took a quick peak at TSN.ca & to no ones surprise the TOR msm Ball licking of Dubas is already out in full force.
    I will be lighting a candle for a 1st round exit

  159. Dicky94 says:

    Pescador,

    Yes. He could trade Eberle for Spooner right now and look like a genius. I will light a candle too.

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    AHL All-Star game:

    Game 1 – Each of Joe G. and Marody with a goal in a 4-2 win.

    Game 2 – Joe G. with an assist in a 5-2 loss.

    Game 3 – Marody with an assist in a 5-3 loss.

  161. Glovjuice says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    John Chambers,

    I sign Demers, don’t sign Lucic, and draft Barzal so hard

    flyfish1168:
    Chaisson and Talbot for Burakovsky. this could be a start. Chaisson is familiar with the dressing room

    He’s done.

    LadiesloveSmid:
    John Chambers,

    I sign Demers, don’t sign Lucic, and draft Barzal so hard

    Hard Barzal. Thread title tomorrow and will be a song on the new Glovjuice album.

  162. digger50 says:

    Pescador: Hamonic was traded for a package that most posters on this site deemed a steep overpay.
    I’m no Chiarelli apologist, I quoted this fine piece of blog poetry just yesterday: “fuck that guy”
    I’m guessing the Islanders set the price & the Oil didn’t have what they wanted or didn’t want to pay it

    Three things

    You’re a fine poet

    Funny how we kept criticizing Calgary and yet here they are.

    Dam it man, don’t you remember all the “we love Strome” talk coming from Stauffer and others.

  163. Glovjuice says:

    DBO:
    Muzzin just set the price point. Top pairing with term is a 1st and solid prospect.

    So Athanasiou should be no more then a 2nd and mid level prospect. That’s a solid price to fill a huge need.

    Deal Chiasson for a 3rd or whatever you can get. Same with Talbot. And Petrovic. And use those picks to fill other needs.

    Athanasiou for a 2nd and Bear
    Burakovsky forTalbot and Kassian
    Petrovic for a 5th
    Faulk for Chiasson and Benning
    And if you can make it happen, deal Spooner or Manning along with a pick to shed salary. Can be done in off season.

    Deal Spooner or Manning. LOL. You can’t make this shit up.

  164. DBO says:

    Glovjuice: Deal Spooner or Manning. LOL. You can’t make this shit up.

    Exactly why I said add a pick. Many teams will keep a low salary and need to hit the floor. Look at Arizona the last few years. Yep we retain salary as well I expect, but that is what it will take to clear that cap hit and not be eating it for 2 years on a Buyout.

    No one is taking lucic or Sekera. Buyout is too long and cost prohibitive. It will cost us picks plus prospects to clear salary from the lesser cap headaches like Manning and Spooner.

  165. YKOil says:

    Here’s the thing – Toronto had a Grundstrom and a Durzi to add to the 1st

    Continuing to build up our farm system; kinda important.

  166. who says:

    digger50: You are doing some Chiarelli thinking ala one for one. The trade may need dressed up a bit, as stated they should be the centrepieces.

    Hamonic was traded the next week, certainly he was on the table. Or again Peter allowed the Islanders to dictate? Maybe. But more likely based on the verbal all summer was that Peter was100% focused on a Strome.

    As for Hall for Hamonic I don’t think there ever was evidence or rumor of that.

    The rumor was Eberle for Hamonic all year before they traded Hall. It was all over this blog. It became pretty clear that the Islanders weren’t willing to make this trade. And then the week before the Hall trade there were rumors of Hall for Hamonic plus. I don’t think Eberle for Hamonic the next summer was even a remote possibility.
    I know we all want to shit on Chia, myself included, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to suggest he could have got Hamonic for Eberle.

  167. who says:

    digger50: You are doing some Chiarelli thinking ala one for one. The trade may need dressed up a bit, as stated they should be the centrepieces.

    Hamonic was traded the next week, certainly he was on the table. Or again Peter allowed the Islanders to dictate? Maybe. But more likely based on the verbal all summer was that Peter was100% focused on a Strome.

    As for Hall for Hamonic I don’t think there ever was evidence or rumor of that.

    Also I don’t think Chia was focused on Strome. He was focused on dumping Eberle.

  168. who says:

    DBO:
    Muzzin just set the price point. Top pairing with term is a 1st and solid prospect.

    So Athanasiou should be no more then a 2nd and mid level prospect. That’s a solid price to fill a huge need.

    Deal Chiasson for a 3rd or whatever you can get. Same with Talbot. And Petrovic. And use those picks to fill other needs.

    Athanasiou for a 2nd and Bear
    Burakovsky forTalbot and Kassian
    Petrovic for a 5th
    Faulk for Chiasson and Benning
    And if you can make it happen, deal Spooner or Manning along with a pick to shed salary. Can be done in off season.

    Faulk for Chiasson and Benning seems like a fary tale to me.

  169. Munny says:

    digger50: Dam it man, don’t you remember all the “we love Strome” talk coming from Stauffer and others

    I don’t think Bob was too impressed with the Strome for Spooner trade.

  170. OmJo says:

    Pescador: Just took a quick peak at TSN.ca & to no ones surprise the TOR msm Ball licking of Dubas is already out in full force.
    I will be lighting a candle for a 1st round exit

    I don’t expect anything more from the Toronto Sports Network.

    The Leafs have a very short window before salary cap hell arrives in TO.

  171. OmJo says:

    Munny: I don’t think Bob was too impressed with the Strome for Spooner trade.

    Nor the Manning trade.

    Of course he tried to spin them in positive ways early on (at least on Twitter) but the texters, callers, tweeters and guests weren’t having it.

  172. digger50 says:

    Munny: I don’t think Bob was too impressed with the Strome for Spooner trade.

    Of course he was t.

    I’m talking post playoffs 2017. Eberle was being trashed for not working hard enough. Devalued. The talk was they liked Strome. Stauffer pushed it, this blog was all over it. When it happened no suprise.

  173. OriginalPouzar says:

    DBO: Exactly why I said add a pick. Many teams will keep a low salary and need to hit the floor. Look at Arizona the last few years. Yep we retain salary as well I expect, but that is what it will take to clear that cap hit and not be eating it for 2 years on a Buyout.

    No one is taking lucic or Sekera. Buyout is too long and cost prohibitive. It will cost us picks plus prospects to clear salary from the lesser cap headaches like Manning and Spooner.

    Awwww, man, give up a pick and retain salary to move Spooner or Manning?

    Both bleeding additional assets and retaining salary? Please, no – we just can’t do that – not for a contract or contracts that have only one year of term left.

    I would MUCH prefer to simply bury them in the minors if required which would provide a cap savings of $1,075,000 per player next year.

    With respect to Manning, the would leave a cap hit around $1.1M which can’t be much more than any amount that would be retained and it also (a) keeps Manning as injury cover (he is an NHL d-man) and insulates the kids a bit and (b) Manning can be the Stanton replacement in the AHL – we need one more veteran in addition to Keegan Lowe in the AHL.

    Retaining salary on Spooner and giving up an asset to get rid of him when he’s got a solid history or doing exactly what this team needs – providing complementary secondary scoring in the top 6 – without giving him an actual opportunity would be silly.

  174. OriginalPouzar says:

    YKOil:
    Here’s the thing – Toronto had a Grundstrom and a Durzi to add to the 1st

    Continuing to build up our farm system; kinda important.

    Grundstrom is no better a prospect than Marody – probably a lesser prospect at this point.

    Durzi is no better a prospect than his teammate in Gueph, drafted a year later, in Samorukov – probably a lesser prospects (Durzi is 20 years old in the OHL).

    The Oilers 2019 first round pick is also MUCH more valuable that the Leafs.

    The Oilers had the assets to make a trade like this. Of course, they don’t have the cap space this year (or next really) and a trade like that wouldn’t make sense for the Oilers at this time, however, we have the prospect currency if the right trade is available (not that I want them to do it – I want to slow play the next two years).

  175. Professor Q says:

    OmJo:
    If the Leafs win the Stanley Cup this season I’ll have to skip next season.

    The coverage in this country will be unbearable and the inevitable cup comparison between Matthews and McDavid while asking “who’s the better player?” might make me become violent.

    Especially as if they do, it’ll likely be on the backs of Marner, Tavares, and Andersen, not Matthews.

  176. Material Elvis says:

    OriginalPouzar: Trade bait by the fan-base, for sure – not necessarily by management though.

    Oh okay. So really no evidence of Gardiner’s name involved in legitimate trade rumors. That’s what I thought.

  177. ArmchairGM says:

    DBO: Faulk for Chiasson and Benning

    This isn’t anywhere close to what Faulk is worth, sorry.

  178. Pescador says:

    OmJo: Nor the Manning trade.

    Of course he tried to spin them in positive ways early on (at least on Twitter) but the texters, callers, tweeters and guests weren’t having it.

    Stauffer has to tow the company line for the team with the worst GM in the NHL.
    Couple that with (some) fans that recognize how terrible those trades truly are.
    Which are his listeners and sponsors.
    Talk about a thin wire. High comedy when you think about it.
    He does appreciate his job & I like that about him

  179. russ99 says:

    who,

    I’d think our awful pro scouting had much to do with that return. Much like Reinhart, zeroed into a player with more of a rep than overall skill.

    We really need to stop trading with the Islanders if our pro scouting staff is so enamored of their lesser prospects.

    Spooner was all about finding an equally depreciated asset around the same cap. Signing Strome after what he showed on the ice last year to that RFA contract instead of dumping him at the draft was the mistake, not the trade.

  180. russ99 says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Also, Faulk has an NMC now, and nobody’s waiving to come here until our management is sorted.

  181. HT Joe says:

    Professor Q: Especially as if they do, it’ll likely be on the backs of Marner, Tavares, and Andersen, not Matthews.

    Good point. Two items:
    – How good of a blueliner do you think the Leafs could get if they trade Matthews this summer?
    – I would rather see the Leafs win this summer and have the McDavid vs Matthews comparison, than have the Flames win this summer and have the McDavid comparison Gadreau. Also, I respect my Leafs fans friends; those Flames fans are all soulless monsters 😉

  182. ArmchairGM says:

    HT Joe: How good of a blueliner do you think the Leafs could get if they trade Matthews this summer?

    Any defenseman they want, plus an A prospect, plus a high pick.

  183. HT Joe says:

    ArmchairGM,

    What? I thought a 1-for-1 was the cost of doing business!! 😮

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