Game 52 2018-19: Oilers at Canadiens

The Oilers began the second half with a maddening yet hopeful effort against the Philadelphia Flyers on Saturday. A dynamic 5-on-5 afternoon was wasted by a poor performance on the 4-on-5, and the troops march into Montreal badly in need of two points. On the positive side of things, Connor McDavid is the only player in the league who goes to 11, and the secondary scoring had a nice afternoon in the sun. A win today puts Edmonton in ninth, two points behind Vancouver (tied with Colorado, Avs with a game in hand) and the best player on the planet wearing the oildrop.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton brought it yesterday, there’s a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: Entry deal AHL forwards give the Oilers an excellent trade pool (will link).
  • Lowetide: If fast is the new big, how do the Edmonton Oilers get there in a hurry?
  • Jonathan Willis: Analyzing how well Peter Chiarelli and Keith Gretzky restocked the Oilers with their draft work
  • Lowetide: Finding a path to the playoffs may involve reckless use of future assets by the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL free agency period
  • Tyler Dellow: A deeper look at Connor McDavid and the Oilers’ 5-on-5 offensive changes under Ken Hitchcock
  • Corey Pronman: 2019 NHL Draft midseason rankings
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Lowetide: Edmonton’s 2019 entry draft plans may change with new GM but needs are clear
  • Lowetide: Caleb Jones has impressive first showing in the NHL with Oilers.
  • Tyler Dellow: Four questions that the Oilers should be asking candidates for the GM job
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: New Oilers caretaker Keith Gretzky caught between earning playoff berth and keeping future assets
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Goalless Tobias Rieder hopes to follow Zack Kassian and Milan Lucic and end his offensive funk.
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

OILERS AFTER 52

  • Oilers in 2015: 21-26-5, 47 points; goal differential -17
  • Oilers in 2016: 28-16-8, 64 points; goal differential +14
  • Oilers in 2017: 23-25-4, 50 points; goal differential -27
  • Oilers in 2018: 23-24-4, 50 points; goal differential -14

This year’s team has settled in and joined the 2015 and 2017 clubs as also-rans. The goal differential (my numbers do not include EN goals) suggest a better outcome should have been expected, but if wishes were horses beggars would ride. This race should have been locked up by St. Louis and or Colorado by now, but the Oilers absolutely have a chance.

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in February 2017: 0-2-0, 0 points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in February 2018: 1-0-1, three points; goal differential +3
  • Oilers in February 2019: 0-0-1, one point; goal differential -1

No fast starts to February, although this year’s team would benefit from a similar start to the 2017-18 group. Need that win today in order to stay within screaming distance of the second season.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: Philadelphia, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Pittsburgh, Carolina, NY Islanders (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, NY Islanders, Anaheim (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Toronto, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 0-0-1, one point in one game

Impossible to predict this team game to game, but the 5-on-5 performance in Philly was encouraging. I will say no more.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Gravel-Larsson were 13-7 in 13:43, 7-3 shots, 1-0 goals and 3-0 HDSC. In what is going to be a theme, these guys had a good day 5-on-5. Larsson scored on the anniversary of his Dad’s passing, a bittersweet moment in a season awash in angst and melancholy. Went 10-2 in 7:49 against Laughton-Patrick-Simmonds.
  • Manning-Benning went 11-10 in 6:52, 8-6 shots, 2-0 goals and 3-2 HDSC. Easily the third pair in deployment, the 5-on-5 results were terrific. Benning’s errant throw around the boards on a late PK was a tragedy and resulted almost immediately in the tying goal. Were 6-3 in 3:12 against JVR-Giroux-Konecny.
  • Nurse-Russell were 18-20 in 13:48, 11-11 shots, no goals and 4-7 in HDSC. Edmonton’s top pairing based on minutes has a tough time getting the puck out under control. Were 14-10 in 5:24 against
    JVR-Giroux-Konecny.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Rieder-Draisaitl-Chiasson were 15-4 in 8:34, 10-1 shots, 1-0 goals and 4-0 HDSC. Leon driving a line has long been a priority, it sure looked like he could on this day. LD turned over the puck a couple of times but I liked the line. Went 11-8 against Hagg-Gudas in 6:01.
  • Lucic-McDavid-Rattie went 12-11 in 10:22, 6-6 shots, 1-0 goals and 3-2 HDSC. McDavid’s goal will live forever, this line lasted longer than I thought it would and may have a chance. Rattie lost his man in overtime but I think we’ll see this trio today. 97 was 12-11 against Provorov-Sanheim, 2-0 goals. Looch’s two penalties were four minutes too many. He is playing better with the puck but holy lord ML that hurt the team.
  • Khaira-Nuge-Kassian were 8-6 in 8:42, 5-4 shots, no goals and 2-1 HDSC. I thought the line played well, both wingers getting a point. Nuge took an early penalty, I still don’t know why, but drew one later. Were 5-3 in 5:25 against Gost-MacDonald. Kassian took a dumb penalty 10 miles from danger and he’s been doing it a lot. Season on the line, time to use the big part of the brain.
  • Cave-Brodziak-Puljuarvi were 10-11 in 7:28, 7-6 shots, no goals and 1-2 HDSC. They played quite a lot, I like the trio. Pulju looked real good to my eye. Were 5-5 in 3:19 against Hagg-Gudas.
  • Cam Talbot was stunning with eight seconds left, I mean incredible. Should have had the second goal. Stopped all 22 5-on-5 shots, but 34 of 39 overall, .872.

The Oilers would be interested, all 31 teams would have to be doing their due diligence on such a player. The bigger question might be ‘does Taylor Hall have any interest in returning?’ and that’s not a question anyone can answer with certainty. Hockey players are a loyal bunch, but I think Hall would probably prefer a contender. Interesting wrinkle on summer.

One of these statements is true: The Oilers want to hire Kelly McCrimmon, or the Oilers have no plans to name a general manager until given an opportunity to talk to Kelly McCrimmon. Edmonton’s management telegraphs like it’s 1870. That’s my belief.

STOP TAKING PENALTIES

Veterans, the guys a coach needs to lead, took a mountain of penalties in Philly yesterday. I know the refs were cross-eyed and (the opposite of) painless, but my goodness veterans should know by the third period which way the wind blows.

THE PLAYOFFS

Don’t let anyone tell you different, this team has a chance to make the postseason. They’ll need a goalie to step up and that special teams mess can’t happen. There’s 30 games left and the Oilers are close. That is a fact.

Price point is an issue, but Chiasson has shown some hands this year. I would love to see the Oilers overhaul the entire left and right side, but it isn’t possible because long-term contracts prevail. That said, reasonable deals for guys like Chiasson make sense.

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  1. Oilpower says:

    so here is my take on fixing the oilers.
    Trade lucic and 2020 1st for a 2020 3rd
    Spooner and 2019 3rd for 2019 6th
    Manning 2019 4th for 2019 6th
    Russel for a second
    Benning and a second for 3rd line center
    Sekera if not top four I would add 2020 second to move maybe wouldn’t need to add to much if he is playing better.
    Then sign a few free agents which is risky but only way to get change quick. So team could be
    Nyquist mcdavid dri
    khair nuge joonas donskoi,
    rieder newguy jp
    kassian brodziak and new cheap guy.
    Klef Larson
    Nurse myers
    new guy Jones

  2. Pescador says:

    Rebillled:
    These announcers are ass.

    Holes?

  3. Buddy says:

    Wish I had a mute button for Garry Galley.

  4. Lowetide says:

    After Two:

    3-2 Edmonton (2-1 EDM)
    19-17 shots Montreal (10-6 EDM)
    33-20 Corsi 5-on-5 Montreal (13-7 MTL)

    One thing we know about the Oilers: this isn’t over

  5. Munny says:

    A more balanced period than the first. They had the first five minutes, we had the last five.

  6. Munny says:

    Lowetide: One thing we know about the Oilers: this isn’t over

    The league leader in Hold My Beers per 60.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    I fear the late PK during this up coming 3rd period….

  8. Andy Dufresne says:

    Blatent hook against Chaisson

  9. Munny says:

    Healthy start to the period.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chiasson with the Eberle dust-off times about 4 – geez.

    Drai is on fire today.

  11. Dicky94 says:

    Safe to say Reider will never score in an Oiler jersey.

  12. Andy Dufresne says:

    We nned to get Reider an Empty Netter

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Jesse up with Nuge and Khaira coming off the PP goal – nice to see.

    Is it just one shift or more?

    Just one shift – back on the fourth with Malone and Brodz

  14. Dicky94 says:

    Bone headed.

  15. digger50 says:

    Larsson can be an SOB

  16. Hockey Project says:

    That’s about right. Two guys slash and chop at each other, in full view of the ref, but call only one guy.

  17. digger50 says:

    This colour guy is educated to Oilers and unusually pro Oiler

  18. digger50 says:

    Lucic – needs a “two day head start”

    Too funny

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    Weak one on Mikko and the game is tied late.

    Standard Dwayne Roloson type goaltending.

  20. Professor Q says:

    Bound to happen. Connor looks ticked off, too.

  21. Munny says:

    Sick hands.

  22. Ice Sage says:

    Lucy’s pulling the football on the oiler’s again!
    A propos on Super Bowl Sunday

  23. Dicky94 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    He is so weak on that side and the league knows it.

  24. Melvis says:

    25/4

    “What we’ve got here is failure to communicate”

  25. McSorley33 says:

    Another moral victory for 1 point…

  26. Professor Q says:

    Dicky94:
    Safe to say Reider will never score in an Oiler jersey.

    Perhaps Rieder will score, instead?

  27. Ice Sage says:

    McSorley33:
    Another moral victory for 1 point…

    I wouldn’t bank on that point

  28. LMHF#1 says:

    “Hi! I’m Kris Russell and I don’t play defence.”

    This movie late in games gets so SO old…

    I have never seen a guy who has so little idea how to avoid messing up his defensive partner. I’m surprised Nurse hasn’t concussed him in practice for this garbage.

  29. Zelepukin says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Weak one on Mikko and the game is tied late.

    Standard Dwayne Roloson type goaltending.

    Granted, McD was standing right next to him and could have applied more immediate pressure.

  30. oilersfan says:

    Two games in a row we blow the lead late in the third

    We are the Anti Flames

    Also getting scored on in the first 1/2 shots of the game

    Koskinen is no NHL starter

    I just pray we can get to overtime now

  31. Professor Q says:

    Zelepukin: Granted, McD was standing right next to him and could have applied more immediate pressure.

    As could have Nurse. They both sort of gave up and Kasperi just had to shovel the puck in (not really sick hands as the commentators claimed).

  32. Andy Dufresne says:

    Hitch wants them playing defense late in gaems

  33. Andy Dufresne says:

    42 seconds left Conner Nuge and Drai please

  34. Andy Dufresne says:

    Ill take it

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ll take that single point for now – one point closer to a wild card spot, one point gained on most teams.

    Need a better OT performance than yesterday.

  36. Andy Dufresne says:

    and the bonus point too

  37. Ice Sage says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’ll take that single point for now – one point closer to a wild card spot, one point gained on most teams.

    Need a better OT performance than yesterday.

    + un SVP

  38. Halfwise says:

    Could be worse. Just ask Rickie Fowler.

  39. Ryan says:

    We’ll take a Bettman.

  40. Gerta Rauss says:

    I like Drai in OT

  41. Munny says:

    Big face off.

  42. Zelepukin says:

    Please god no Russell.

  43. Professor Q says:

    Strange indecision by those two.

  44. Dicky94 says:

    Brutal.

  45. Gerta Rauss says:

    Russell on his belly again

  46. emonkee says:

    Why is russell on in OT AGAIN?

  47. Ice Sage says:

    so easy.

  48. Halfwise says:

    Who is that #4 guy backing in?

    This team. Man.

  49. Professor Q says:

    “They’re going to have to some strong character to shake these two losses off.”

  50. McSorley33 says:

    Kris Russell……wow

  51. Ryan says:

    When Chiasson and Russell are on your second OT line, you’re not going to win often.

  52. Hockey Project says:

    I’m waiting for Russell to back all the way up behind the net some day.

  53. Munny says:

    really really bad words

  54. Zelepukin says:

    emonkee:
    Why is russell on in OT AGAIN?

    And I called it. C’mon Hitch. How are you this stupid?

  55. jake70 says:

    Halfwise:
    Who is that #4 guy backing in?

    This team. Man.

    Color guy saying he allowed Drouin on the forehand….keep him outside on his backhand….the little things…..

  56. Younger Oil says:

    Good lord Russell

  57. Dustylegnd says:

    Awesome shift by Russel

  58. RumBurgundy says:

    Does Larsson’s contract state no overtime minutes?!

  59. kdc says:

    Seriously hitch, WTF is Russell doing out there in OT?

  60. hags9k says:

    Leon has to give that puck to 97. good grief.

  61. Andy Dufresne says:

    Halfwise:
    Who is that #4 guy backing in?

    This team. Man.

    Thats on Hitch

  62. Oiler_Kiwi97 says:

    Well when your top 2 OT scorers can’t convert a 2 on 0 then you have other issues too.

  63. RumBurgundy says:

    hags9k,

    +1

  64. jake70 says:

    hags9k:
    Leon has to give that puck to 97. good grief.

    Yep….waited too long….was it bouncing or rolling on him maybe?

  65. Munny says:

    OT might be where the Oilers miss Sekera the most. Toss in no Dreamstate and our OT crews are seriously crippled.

  66. Bag of Pucks says:

    Fair to say the Oil likely win both games this weekend with Klefbom and Sekera in the lineup?

  67. Ice Sage says:

    Ryan:
    When Chiasson and Russell are on your second OT line, you’re not going to win often.

    I like Hitch but he seems to have caught Oiler-coach-itis: when you refuse to see bad player / situations. Chiaison’s a lot of things but not an agile 3 on 3 player. Russell lost this privilege yesterday.
    Nuge, Rattie / JP and Benning / Larsson. for second pairing. So obvious?

  68. Munny says:

    Oiler_Kiwi97:
    Well when your top 2 OT scorers can’t convert a 2 on 0 then you have other issues too.

    No doubt.

  69. Craig Zonit says:

    RumBurgundy,

    This.

    Imagine Klef or healthy Sekera instead of Russell out there.

  70. Jethro Tull says:

    Fucking Super Coach with Rusty and Chiasson as the follow up to McDavid and Draisaitl. He really, really hates Rattie the same as Todd loved Caggiula.

    For tge uninitiated: YOU CANNOT PUT WEAK SKATERS OUT IN O.T. IN THE NHL.

  71. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: Oh, god, permanent LTIR would be horrible – people seem to think that “Robidas Island” is a good result and magically gets rid of the player and his cap hit and it certainly does not.

    If a team is near the upper cap limit, that type of scenario would be awful and highly limiting of the ability to improve the team in the off-season.

    Is it a worse scenario than Lucic at 6 million for the next 4 years?

  72. Klima's_Bucket says:

    I know Drai/McD combo has been stellar in OT but has there been any discussion about splitting them up during the extra frame?
    Because when those two go off the games seem to end in an ugly matter.

  73. Gerta Rauss says:

    jake70: Yep….waited too long….was it bouncing or rolling on him maybe?

    Leon didn’t realize how quickly the D was closing and he ran out of time…he should have shot but whatever…

  74. digger50 says:

    Two hard fought games, both blown in the end.

    In actuality the team played very well. As a group, they don’t have a lot more in them.

  75. russ99 says:

    2 games with the lead and only getting a point each hurts, but this is better than our usual eastern conference aftenoon game results.

    Russell needs to stay on his feet, if you can’t skate, you can’t make a play.

  76. Andy Dufresne says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Fucking Super Coach with Rusty and Chiasson as the follow up to McDavid and Draisaitl. He really, really hates Rattie the same as Todd loved Caggiula.

    For tge uninitiated: YOU CANNOT PUT WEAK SKATERS OUT IN O.T. IN THE NHL.

    I hpe they ask in the post game scrum, why no RNH and Rattie as the second line out in OT?

    #hitchshitthebed

  77. Derek says:

    A top five pick and a clean sweep in management is just what the doctor ordered for this franchise.

    I was watching Source Code on TV while watching Oilers hockey. It’s the same premise but in Source Code Gyllenhall only experiences 8 minute loops rather than 82 game loops and eventually he saves the day and himself.

    No such luck here I’m afraid.

  78. jake70 says:

    Gerta Rauss: Leon didn’t realize how quickly the D was closing and he ran out of time…he should have shot but whatever…

    Ahh ok, the “I am still in junior and have a ton of time ” brain fog that comes over the Oilers at times…..

  79. Jethro Tull says:

    No doubt Hitch will have an excellent post game presser full of the right things to say, though. Except “the game has changed beyond what I can manage and I don’t know how to coach the new generation of players. I resign.”

  80. digger50 says:

    Domi was available this summer. He’s fast and he was undervalued.

  81. Jethro Tull says:

    Andy Dufresne: I hpe they ask in the post game scrum, why no RNH and Rattie as the second line out in OT?

    Nothing to do with having a healthy Sekera or Klefbom, the last two games were lost on highly questionable coaching.

  82. texmex says:

    9 GA in two games.

    Not gonna win many games like that.

    A regulation loss on Tuesday and the oilers will be tied for 14th in the west

    Too bad Klefbom wasn’t ready this weekend.

  83. Rebillled says:

    Fragile ain’t just a river in Italy.

  84. digger50 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Fucking Super Coach with Rusty and Chiasson as the follow up to McDavid and Draisaitl. He really, really hates Rattie the same as Todd loved Caggiula.

    For tge uninitiated: YOU CANNOT PUT WEAK SKATERS OUT IN O.T. IN THE NHL.

    Rattie was put on first line. He didn’t have a useful game.

  85. Jethro Tull says:

    Gerta Rauss: Leon didn’t realize how quickly the D was closing and he ran out of time…he should have shot but whatever…

    Nah. It was well played. Price didn’t give him a goddamn inch and the D took away the good pass, forcing Connor out wide.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Koskinen looking strong

    I like the contract.

    At $1million less I would LOVE the contract.

    Did you like Dwayne Roloson as well because, aside from those 7 games, he provides prototypical Roli tending in almost every game and its NOT good enough.

    Some solid play with a few 5-bell saves, an iffy goal and then a terrible goal at a terrible time.

    He’s done it all year and he’s done it to a T in the two games since he signed.

  87. Jethro Tull says:

    digger50: Rattie was put on first line. He didn’t have a useful game.

    Rattie doesn’t gave to score, just give Connor a rest for twenty seconds.

  88. digger50 says:

    Jethro Tull: Nothing to do with having a healthy Sekera or Klefbom, the last two games were lost on highly questionable coaching.

    Rattie lost his one on one battle last overtime

    The play was they do not have three offensive players left. Put on three who you hope can play defence until 97 is back.

    I don’t know if we have such clear choices for OT.

    Sekera / Hopkins / Eberle

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    oilersfan:
    How can I find out how many points Lucic has since Jan 1? He must be close to around .7 PPG ?

    13 games, 6 points – all primary 4G and 2 primary assists.

    Not sure if that includes today’s game.

    All but one goal at 5 on 5.

    1.94P/60 at 5 on 5 in that time.

  90. Dustylegnd says:

    OriginalPouzar: Did you like Dwayne Roloson as well because, aside from those 7 games, he provides prototypical Roli tending in almost every game and its NOT good enough.

    Some solid play with a few 5-bell saves, an iffy goal and then a terrible goal at a terrible time.

    He’s done it all year and he’s done it to a T in the two games since he signed.

    You nailed it…Koski is not a true #1 and now we have him for 3 more years….Priceless

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    Drew: Petry could of done the job?

    Petry would be a great player for this team.

    He would knock Larsson down to 2nd pairing minutes too.

    Nurse/Petry
    Klefbom/Larsson
    Sekera/Russell

    $5.5M – too rich for the current cap.

  92. tileguy says:

    digger50: Rattie lost his one on one battle last overtime

    The play was they do not have three offensive players left. Put on three who you hope can play defence until 97 is back.

    I don’t know if we have such clear choices for OT.

    Sekera / Hopkins / Eberle

    Rattie did not lose the one on one battle last gave, that is just bullshit. His man did not beat him at all but he was able to muscle the puck out one handed to an uncovered man (Connors?) his other habd ws used to hold Ratties stick.

  93. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: Did you like Dwayne Roloson as well because, aside from those 7 games, he provides prototypical Roli tending in almost every game and its NOT good enough.

    Some solid play with a few 5-bell saves, an iffy goal and then a terrible goal at a terrible time.

    He’s done it all year and he’s done it to a T in the two games since he signed.

    Respectfully. We’ll have to agree to disagree.

    I thought he played well. Kotkiemi goal was not a weak goal IMO.

    I think he’ll be a top 15 Starter with a better defence/team in front of him.

    I actually really like his style. Strong postional goaltender (which is key for the big guys) Good reflexes. Strong compete level. Doesnt give up on the play. Appears to be strong mentally as well which is also key.

    TIme will tell.

    AND Yes I liked Roloson in 2006

  94. Oddspell says:

    Connor and Leon disappointing in OT, BUT

    They’ve played a combined 90+ minutes of hockey in the last 24 hours. I really can’t blame the boys who are keeping this team anywhere close to afloat for missing that opportunity. Maybe Hitchcock needs a better plan than “have our two best players skate from end to end for 20+ minutes a game”.

    Game management. It’s a thing.

  95. Klima's_Bucket says:

    At this point given the roster issues.
    Perhaps Hitch should use his timeout when Leon/McDavid shift is over to get them right back out there.

  96. Alpine says:

    I do and I don’t feel bad for Russell. He got his big contract and his preferred destination that he held out for after GMs called his bluff in 2016 and he ended up here on a 1 year deal.

    I guess props to him for taking a advantage of a dumb GM to get his current contract, but it’s clear him and his agent saw him as a top four quality player, so Russell has to hold up his end of the deal.

    I suppose this logic can apply to a lot of overpaid players. Harder to take less money on 16 mil deal than a 100+ deal like Connor did. Some guys sign right away as soon as they get a good offer, and some keep angling for a better one.

    Nothing really wrong with doing the latter there’s just some scenarios where it gets dodgy and it’s better for the team to not cave as much. Chia was a continuous caver.

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan:
    When Chiasson and Russell are on your second OT line, you’re not going to win often.

    Well, coach couldn’t go back to Rattie/Russell after all the vitriol yesterday…..

    With that said: Khaira, Puljujarvi…..

  98. Jethro Tull says:

    digger50: Rattie lost his one on one battle last overtime

    The play was they do not have three offensive players left. Put on three who you hope can play defence until 97 is back.

    I don’t know if we have such clear choices for OT.

    Sekera / Hopkins / Eberle

    I believe even Khaira or Kassian would be better. They just need to be able to skate and defend.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    Domi was available this summer. He’s fast and he was undervalued.

    Did we have a player with a recent 30G season coming off a 51 point season (and a consistent 45 to 55 plus point producer) to trade? Galchenyuk would have been third on the Oilers in scoring last year.

  100. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Zelepukin: And I called it. C’mon Hitch. How are you this stupid?

    Everyone on this blog called this 2 yrs ago.

    Especially after yesterday, Benning would have been a better choice. And Chiasson out on OT????

    I thought Hitchcock was a student of the game…..his decisions sometimes make me wonder if he is still in Elementary school

  101. Alpine says:

    digger50:
    Domi was available this summer. He’s fast and he was undervalued.

    He cost Galchenyuk who’s consistently a top 6 guy despite whatever faults he has. Don’t know what type of player the Oilers have that we could have moved that would be similar. Not sure what packages AZ would have accepted.

    And a lot of people didn’t even like the deal much for MTL at the time, and thought they overpaid. Who knows what the Oilers would have given up to beat that offer?

  102. digger50 says:

    tileguy: Rattie did not lose the one on one battle last gave, that is just bullshit. His man did not beat him at all but he was able to muscle the puck out one handed to an uncovered man (Connors?) his other habd ws used to hold Ratties stick.

    His man centered the puck and his man picked up a primary assist. Maybe unfair if his stick was held, that is still losing the one on one.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne: Respectfully. We’ll have to agree to disagree.

    I thought he played well. Kotkiemi goal was not a weak goal IMO.

    I think he’ll be a top 15 Starter with a better defence/team in front of him.

    I actually really like his style. Strong postional goaltender (which is key for the big guys) Good reflexes. Strong compete level. Doesnt give up on the play. Appears to be strong mentally as well which is also key.

    TIme will tell.

    AND Yes I liked Roloson in 2006

    Yes, we will have to disagree.

    I like Roloson in 2006 as well – he was not even close to good enough after – in fact, he was bad.

    Weak goals happen, all goalies give them up. Koskinen gives them up almost every game (and at bad times).

  104. digger50 says:

    Alpine: He cost Galchenyuk who’s consistently a top 6 guy despite whatever faults he has. Don’t know what type of player the Oilers have that we could have moved that would be similar. Not sure what packages AZ would have accepted.

    And a lot of people didn’t even like the deal much for MTL at the time, and thought they overpaid. Who knows what the Oilers would have given up to beat that offer?

    They may have overpaid at the time, Domi value was low. Oilers didn’t have much for assets, that’s a truth.
    The other truth is they didn’t even try.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    At this point given the roster issues.
    Perhaps Hitch should use his timeout when Leon/McDavid shift is over to get them right back out there.

    I was thinking that at the time.

  106. Oddspell says:

    24:05, 22:26, 20:06, 19:36, 13:43

    Top 5 forward ice times today.

    Does that look normal to anyone?

  107. Klima's_Bucket says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    What’d you think of Malone today? Is he a better option than Cave?

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50: They may have overpaid at the time, Domi value was low. Oilers didn’t have much for assets, that’s a truth.
    The other truth is they didn’t even try.

    Respectfully, how do you know they didn’t even try?

  109. digger50 says:

    €√¥£€^$: Everyone on this blog called this 2 yrs ago.

    Especially after yesterday, Benning would have been a better choice.And Chiasson out on OT????

    I thought Hitchcock was a student of the game…..his decisions sometimes make me wonder if he is still in Elementary school

    I should probably just let everyone vent.

    But it is the same as two years ago – you look up and down the bench for OT players and who do you have? One guy – Hopkins.

    It’s all a crapshoot after that.

  110. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Respectfully, how do you know they didn’t even try?

    Of course I can’t know with absolute certainty.

    Domi was out there for trade for ages, Oilers were never linked as an interested party.
    Peter had Rieder and Brodziak and was going to ride his 94’s into the season.

  111. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, we will have to disagree.

    I like Roloson in 2006 as well – he was not even close to good enough after – in fact, he was bad.

    Weak goals happen, all goalies give them up. Koskinen gives them up almost every game (and at bad times).

    You do realize that in 15 Home Games he is 2.42GAA 9.25 SV% and 3 Shutouts

    How is that possibly giving up bad goals almost every game???

    Is it possible you may have a built in bias based on your dislike of the signing??

    Respectfully, we’ve got to stop beating up guys who arent the problem. Koskinen is not the problem right now. A depleted defense and lack of depth at forward are the problems.

    Kosikinen is absolutley playing better than Talbot this year.

    If you want to pick on goalie, which I dont recommend, pick on Talbot. Talk about giving up untimely saves..like 9 first shot goals….doesnt get more untimely than that …ANYWHERE… EVER

    Not trying to bust your balls here. Love your posts. Just not in agreement with you on this one.

  112. Rebillled says:

    Roloson would have cut his own head off with the helmet in it, threw it on the ice, pass up to Pisani. Score!

    But, these are mediumly dark days.

  113. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Entry-deal AHL forwards give the Oilers an excellent trade pool

    https://theathletic.com/797185/2019/02/03/entry-deal-ahl-forwards-give-the-oilers-an-excellent-trade-pool/

  114. digger50 says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    At this point given the roster issues.
    Perhaps Hitch should use his timeout when Leon/McDavid shift is over to get them right back out there.

    Great idea.

  115. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Fair to say the Oil likely win both games this weekend with Klefbom and Sekera in the lineup?

    – healthy yes. klefs finger though he’s not even close to being 100% having set backs with contact and sek regardless of injury even if he comes back 100% healthy he had no training camp and while he might be better than last year no player comes back in game 60 and is 100%

    – I think the play is to burn it down trade everything

    – The only hope is that the reason they haven’t interviewed anyone is because Katz got my letter and he’s firing everyone so Nic and the OBC aren’t going to get another crack at the next rebuild

    – I know some of the workings of MLSE and I know they went to the NHL and said “help us”.

    – We need a NHL HQ guy like shanny who can go hire the right organization

    – Of course it’s probably McCrimmon and Gretzky and Gretzky and Hitch and OBC but maybe Katz has had enough

    – Katz built a multi-billion international Corp through hard work. He’s had some good people when he built his business.

    – That’s the best explanation for no interviews: they are dead men walking and he brings in real hockey people. Doubtful but for sure a possibility.

  116. leadfarmer says:

    How long will Hitch defenders defend his use of Russell 3v3.
    Getting burned yesterday would have taught most men their lesson

  117. jake70 says:

    HItch repeating “needing a save” …. on the tying goal. 3 years and 4.5M….please let this not be another cap buster.

  118. silasbengtsson says:

    I think it’s time we accept that Hitch isn’t all that different from Todd. They’re both stubborn, line-jugglers with pretty strict old-school methodologies who repeatedly make questionable deployment decisions. Not that management has done much to help him out, but I’d be curious to know how much input (if any) Hitch had on the pursuit of Petrovic and Manning.

    Despite my criticism of Hitch, I’ll be curious to see how Klefbom’s return improves things given the sample we have of Hitch w/ Klefbom (8-2-1, 2.8 GF/g, 2.2 GA/g and ~50% shot share) compared to without (6-12-3, 3.0 GF/g, 3.9 GA/g and ~45% shot share).

  119. Jethro Tull says:

    €√¥£€^$: Everyone on this blog called this 2 yrs ago.

    Especially after yesterday, Benning would have been a better choice.And Chiasson out on OT????

    I thought Hitchcock was a student of the game…..his decisions sometimes make me wonder if he is still in Elementary school

    No. Hitch just graduated when Latin was still an option.

  120. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – anyway busy slow cooking ribs on green egg breaded buffalo chicken wings and afternoon on the Q with a monster Churchill gar and first beers of 2019

    – Go Pats simply for the greatness and legacy to say I saw brady win so many superbowls with an organization that is winning when all the league is set up for is parity and any team can win every year.

  121. leadfarmer says:

    Andy Dufresne: Respectfully. We’ll have to agree to disagree.

    I thought he played well. Kotkiemi goal was not a weak goal IMO.

    I think he’ll be a top 15 Starter with a better defence/team in front of him.

    I actually really like his style. Strong postional goaltender (which is key for the big guys) Good reflexes. Strong compete level. Doesnt give up on the play. Appears to be strong mentally as well which is also key.

    TIme will tell.

    AND Yes I liked Roloson in 2006

    It’s going to be a sad day here when people realize we gave an ok backup 4.5 mil per with a partial NTC
    Koskinen rode a 10 game heater to the bank

  122. Alpine says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, we will have to disagree.

    I like Roloson in 2006 as well – he was not even close to good enough after – in fact, he was bad.

    Weak goals happen, all goalies give them up. Koskinen gives them up almost every game (and at bad times).

    Roloson was .909 and .915 in two of his post-2006 seasons. So, mostly average. Problem is MacT overplayed him in those seasons.

    But .909 might just be Koskinen’s high water mark. And that’s only through 30 games. I don’t mind extending him but he really should be on Halak/Hutton money at most. Still a good payday for a guy with minimal NHL experience.

    Going back to Roloson, what does Koskinen look like when he’s overplayed (65+ games)? Might be wishing for those average Roloson seasons back.

  123. jtblack says:

    Professor Q:
    “They’re going to have to some strong character to shake these two losses off.”

    LMAO!!

  124. jtblack says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Fucking Super Coach with Rusty and Chiasson as the follow up to McDavid and Draisaitl. He really, really hates Rattie the same as Todd loved Caggiula.

    For tge uninitiated: YOU CANNOT PUT WEAK SKATERS OUT IN O.T. IN THE NHL.

    Shocking they didnt touch the puck : Shocking .

    But who else can Hitch play?

  125. €√¥£€^$ says:

    digger50: I should probably just let everyone vent.

    But it is the same as two years ago – you look up and down the bench for OT players and who do you have? One guy – Hopkins.

    It’s all a crapshoot after that.

    Like I mentioned yesterday & OP mentioned here today, JJ & JP are better options, as would be Kassian & Reider. Slow boots are death in OT(as Jethro mentioned)

  126. jtblack says:

    Lowetide,

    “One thing we know about the Oilers: this isn’t over”

    LT knew. it’s like he’s been around the game for a decade or two. or 4.

  127. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – anyway busy slow cooking ribs on green egg breaded buffalo chicken wings and afternoon on the Q with a monster Churchill gar and first beers of 2019

    – Go Pats simply for the greatness and legacy to say I saw brady win so many superbowls with an organization that is winning when all the league is set up for is parity and any team can win every year.

    Yeah..I used to feel that way too…and if Kraft and Brady didnt have their heads so far up Trumps ass, it would be alot easier to revel in thier greatness……..but I guess we have to do what we can to keep politics out of the game.

    Speaking of which: What’s the betting line on wether or not a half time performer shows up in a Kaepernick Jersey?

    GO RAMS!!!

  128. jtblack says:

    €√¥£€^$: Like I mentioned yesterday & OP mentioned here today, JJ & JP are better options, as would be Kassian & Reider.Slow boots are death in OT(as Jethro mentioned)

    +1

  129. Glovjuice says:

    Rebillled:
    Fragile ain’t just a river in Italy.

    Or a killer Yes album

  130. Alpine says:

    digger50: Of course I can’t know with absolute certainty.

    Domi was out there for trade for ages, Oilers were never linked as an interested party.
    Peter had Rieder and Brodziak and was going to ride his 94’s into the season.

    There’s definitely a way to defend not trading a Nuge or high picks/prospects for Domi with what we knew last season.

    Lucic was supposed to be rebound in SH%, Puljujarvi could progress from 12 goals in 65 games to 15 or better over 82. Rieder was consistently getting 12/13 goals in AZ. Domi had just 9 last season with a low sh%.

    Obviously it all worked out in opposite fashion, but Domi wasn’t really close to guaranteed star last year but the price was still high to acquire. He was available but the price was difficult to navigate for a cap team, that was in a position where it shouldn’t move too many futures.

    I’m more upset about missing on the guys who were available for not much like Pearson or Niederreiter.

  131. leadfarmer says:

    Alpine: Roloson was .909 and .915 in two of his post-2006 seasons. So, mostly average. Problem is MacT overplayed him in those seasons.

    But .909 might just be Koskinen’s high water mark. And that’s only through 30 games. I don’t mind extending him but he really should be on Halak/Hutton money at most. Still a good payday for a guy with minimal NHL experience.

    Going back to Roloson, what does Koskinen look like when he’s overplayed (65+ games)? Might be wishing for those average Roloson seasons back.

    .915 sp in the playoffs sounds pretty darn good these days

  132. CapeBretonOilers says:

    tileguy: Rattie did not lose the one on one battle last gave, that is just bullshit. His man did not beat him at all but he was able to muscle the puck out one handed to an uncovered man (Connors?) his other habd ws used to hold Ratties stick.

    yeah saw that clearly when they replayed it today

  133. Jethro Tull says:

    jtblack: Shocking they didnt touch the puck : Shocking .

    But who else can Hitch play?

    For sure the options are limited. But speed is king and they just have to saw off. A few of these guys were junior offensive giants as well. But Chia’s Son and Rusty reset without a d partner to reset with? No Nuge? JP? If we’re going with “let the rookies rook” then anyone who can skate.

    As I said. You just need to hold the fort until Connor gets his breath back.

  134. Alpine says:

    leadfarmer,

    He was actually .927 in the ‘06 playoffs which would have likely got him the Smythe if he didn’t go down in Game One. Pronger wins it for sure if we win after Roloson’s injury.

  135. Andy Dufresne says:

    jtblack: +1

    I wonder what anyone here thinks the mathematical odds are for Hitch returning as Head Coach next season?

    I say less the 5%. In part because he was brought in by Chia. In part because we missed the playoffs again. And in part because the OBC dont like fat guys. In part because the room is putting up with him right now because they have no choice but Conner will have a say at year end

    and finally, because he played Russell too often in OT. 😉

    Goes up to 6% if we make the playoffs.

  136. SwedishPoster says:

    Yep some odd coaching decisions 3 on 3 for two games in a row for sure. I get that the options for the 2nd D out are slim, though despite his skating I’d probably go with Larsson over Russell, but Rattie last night and Chiasson tonight, taking a faceoff at that. If there’s one time a faceoff is crucial it’s when you’re 3 on 3, at first glance when I saw a rightie I was certain it was Brodziak, at least that would have made some sense on his strong side, gain the puck and swap with someone else. But no. Hitch seems to pick whoever is going as the fourth forward after the big guns 3 on 3, instead of trying to find a good fit. Not easy to do with the group he has, there’s really no obvious candidate, based on skillset Puljujärvi would be my guy but he’s a bit of a loose cannon out there, doubt the coach has enough trust in him. The other option is probably Khaira, he can at least hold on to the puck and make plays. Or just keep McDrai out there for the full 5 minutes…

    Two points from a back to back is fine at a glance but the way it played out it should have been four.

    Koskinen sloppy on the equalizer which cost the regulation win, he had two GAs tonight where he played the angles badly, both the 2nd and 3rd. Goalie is the toughest position to go from olympic to NA ice due to the angles being different, these are mistakes you rarely saw him make on the big surface. He needs to figure it out quickly cause the season is coding.

    Klef better heal up that beautiful bone structure properly until tuesday as well.

    Rieder will never score again. He also looks like a guy who is one show me contract at league minimum away from the KHL.

  137. jtblack says:

    jtblack: LMAO!!

    This is an exercise for Bag of Pucks Or Wilde. Or WG.

    Think of character. Here is my “take”.

    Character gets attached to winners.

    Winners have skill. Winners win.

    So who has more character. Connor McDavid or Joe Gambardella?

    Who works harder?

    The Narrative is that Gretzky worked the hardest. McDavid. They have character.

    Certainly some players have more characyer than others (Bell curve).

    But how do we know?

    Does Patrick Kane have Character? not sure. But he’s got Sublime talent & wins.

    What is Character? & why does OEG throw the “vague” word around. Thats next weeks exercise

  138. Andy Dufresne says:

    leadfarmer: .915 sp in the playoffs sounds pretty darn good these days

    especially the “in the playoffs” part

  139. Andy Dufresne says:

    jtblack: “One thing we know about the Oilers: this isn’t over”

    LT knew. it’s like he’s been around the game for a decade or two. or 4.

    AND he predicted two points for the Oil this weekend. The guy knows his statistics. 🙂

    But seriously, he has a talent for seeing things that others (myself included) dont.

  140. Andy Dufresne says:

    jtblack: This is an exercise for Bag of PucksOr Wilde. Or WG.

    Think of character.Here is my “take”.

    Character gets attached to winners.

    Winners have skill. Winners win.

    So who has more character. Connor McDavid or Joe Gambardella?

    Who works harder?

    The Narrative is that Gretzky worked the hardest. McDavid. They have character.

    Certainly some players have more characyer than others (Bell curve).

    But how do we know?

    Does Patrick Kane have Character? not sure.But he’s got Sublime talent & wins.

    What is Character? & why does OEG throw the “vague” word around. Thats next weeks exercise

    ~If you have to ask.~

    Its a riddle wrapped inside an enigma.

    You’d need Alan Turing to solve this one

  141. Jethro Tull says:

    SwedishPoster,

    The only thing I can think of is it’s psychosomatic. On the rare timeI hit Subways, I mean to try something different. Then I kind of black out and walk out with what I always order: Spicy Italian on Cheese and Herb bread with extra buffalo sauce and banana peppers. Then I think “I totally meant to get something else.”

  142. Yeti says:

    Andy Dufresne: especially the “in the playoffs” part

    Good one!

  143. Dicky94 says:

    Would love to see a scoring winger brought in to help McDavid before Tuesday’s game. He’s starting to look frustrated on the bench. Lucic cannot stay on that line and expect to make the playoffs. I just don’t see a trade coming anytime soon. Hopefully I’m wrong.

  144. Psyche says:

    Well, this season is all but lost from a post-season perspective. With the inconsistent play (be it special teams, goaltending, or “character”) I think they will finish in the bottom 5.

    A miracle gets them in the playoffs. I’m all for miracles and will be pleased if one occurs on the Oilers behalf.

    The next week should include moving salaries and acquiring draft picks. The Oilers be Oilering.

  145. Drew says:

    LMHF#1:
    “Hi! I’m Kris Russell and I don’t play defence.”

    This movie late in games gets so SO old…

    I have never seen a guy who has so little idea how to avoid messing up his defensive partner. I’m surprised Nurse hasn’t concussed him in practice for this garbage.

    No way he can skate well enough for 3 on 3. Full stop he should never see ice in OT. Only saw the third, where was larsson in OT?

  146. Drew says:

    OriginalPouzar: Petry would be a great player for this team.

    He would knock Larsson down to 2nd pairing minutes too.

    Nurse/Petry
    Klefbom/Larsson
    Sekera/Russell

    $5.5M – too rich for the current cap.

    He would have received the Russel money, double win!

    This GM’ing is not so hard, why do the Oilers management make it look like they’re trying to unravel DNA???

  147. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The miracle the Oilers need is a staff full of forward thinking people very good at their jobs.

    The worst thing for the future is sneaking into the playoffs, getting crushed, and Mr Screetchy returns with Hair, the Teflon boys upstairs.

    What helps now is the owner accepting what he allowed (no reasonable plan last summer for playoffs this season), Screetchy maximizing players that need to be gone (instead of showcasing Russell opposite George style), and NGM clearing the decks of slow boots and dead cap weight without screwing the future.

    Tough but not impossible.

  148. Bank Shot says:

    Drew: No way he can skate well enough for 3 on 3. Full stop he should never see ice in OT. Only saw the third, where was larsson in OT?

    Russell is a better skater than Larsson though.

  149. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Hockey Project:
    I’m waiting for Russell to back all the way up behind the net some day.

    Yes!

  150. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Fair to say the Oil likely win both games this weekend with Klefbom and Sekera in the lineup?

    The OTs would most likely go a few more shifts…

  151. Drew says:

    Bank Shot: Russell is a better skater than Larsson though.

    I was waiting for that, think about trading a Hart trophy calibre player for a player who doesn’t skate well enough for OT.
    because oilers

  152. Jethro Tull says:

    Bank Shot: Russell is a better skater than Larsson though.

    https://youtu.be/HsKZ1cTYmCw

  153. OriginalPouzar says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    OriginalPouzar,

    What’d you think of Malone today? Is he a better option than Cave?

    I thought that fourth line was fine and Malone was fine – he made a couple solid plays in the offensive zone, got the puck towards the net once – its more than I saw Cave do in his 4-5 games.

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne: You do realize that in 15 Home Games he is 2.42GAA9.25 SV% and 3 Shutouts

    How is that possibly giving up bad goals almost every game???

    Is it possible you may have a built in bias based on your dislike of the signing??

    Respectfully, we’ve got to stop beating up guys who arent the problem. Koskinen is not the problem right now. A depleted defense and lack of depth at forward are the problems.

    Kosikinen is absolutley playing better than Talbot this year.

    If you want to pick on goalie, which I dont recommend, pick on Talbot. Talk about giving up untimely saves..like 9 first shot goals….doesnt get more untimely than that …ANYWHERE… EVER

    Not trying to bust your balls here. Love your posts. Just not in agreement with you on this one.

    Great home numbers – completely based off that 7 game heater and, at the same time, the team only plays half their games on the road.

    I’d encourage you to look at his numbers by month – they’ve been awful except for one month.

    He has been better than Talbot overall this season but, again, its based off a 7 game heater than is long gone. He has been just as poor as Talbot but for those 7 games. In the 2019 calendar year,
    Talbot has better numbers.

    I don’t have a bias against him – I praised him big time during his heater and actually made a long post re: “eating crow” mostly related to Koskinen.

    Unfortunately, he has not been good for a long time and I believe its a problem.

    Why would I “pick on Talbot” today? He didn’t play and he wasn’t good enough yesterday.

    I’m also not “picking on anyone” – I’m calling it as I see it and I haven’t seen this tender good enough in quite a while. Talbot either but I’m not sure what he has to do with Koskinen’s play today and in general (especially given the “decision” has been made).

  155. silasbengtsson says:

    Bank Shot: Russell is a better skater than Larsson though.

    He can skate faster than Larsson but in no way is he a better skater when it comes to using their available tools. I think positioning, back skating, cross-overs, jukes and lateral movement are dimensions of skating that are all too often ignored and those are areas where Larsson is far beyond Russell.

    Save for that stretch beside Jones where he was struggling, Larsson is almost always on the right side of the puck despite the disadvantage his skating represents. As such, I think it’s fair to say that Larsson is a much smarter skater than Russell.

  156. LMHF#1 says:

    Bank Shot: Russell is a better skater than Larsson though.

    Sarcasm…yes?

    Or we have a different definition of skating…

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dicky94:
    Would love to see a scoring winger brought in to help McDavid before Tuesday’s game. He’s starting to look frustrated on the bench. Lucic cannot stay on that line and expect to make the playoffs. I just don’t see a trade coming anytime soon. Hopefully I’m wrong.

    Lucic has 6 points, all primary (4G/2A) since the turn of the calendar, 5 of them at 5 on 5 and is scoring at 1.94P/60 at 5 on 5 and 1.94P1/60 at 5 on 5.

    Just some context on Milan in 2019.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    Since December 1, Koskinen is 0.898 and 3.22 – a bit better than Talbot on each but in the ball-park.

    Since December 15, Koskinen is ,879 and 3.87 – worse than Talbot.

    I’m sorry but I can’t fathom any Oiler fan thinking he’s been good for a very long time and thinking that a recent signing of 3 X $4.5M with a limited NTC is likely to be a contract for which value is given.

    I’m sure he (and the team) will be better with Klefbom but, Andy, I am simply not on board with your assessment and, yes, I would say, for the most part, he’s let in an iffy goal if not a very poor goal in the majority of those games.

  159. New Improved Darkness says:

    jtblack: What is Character? & why does OEG throw the “vague” word around.

    Character is why every military movie in history has a ten or fifteen minute “beat” where they break ’em down, and build ’em back up.

    Character is why the original True Grit featured John Wayne, Robert Duvall, and Dennis Hopper.

    Character is why the True Grit remake featured Jeff Bridges, Matt Damon, and Josh Brolin (two out of three, anyways …)

    Character is why many of the essential figures in Band of Brothers barely escape court marshal.

    Easy Company is introduced during its training at Camp Toccoa, Georgia, under First Lieutenant/Captain Herbert Sobel, a very strict disciplinarian who seems to train his company harder and longer than the commanders of other companies.

    Sobel also goes out of his way to find fault with the men and the platoon leaders. The company is shipped to England to prepare for D-Day.

    As training progresses, Sobel’s inadequacies as a leader in the field become more apparent and cause most of the non-commissioned officers in the company to attempt to resign en masse.

    He also causes a dispute with his executive officer, Richard Winters, that escalates higher than Sobel expected. These events lead to Sobel being reassigned to command a jump school for essential non-combat personnel.

    Basically, Sobel was Dallas Eakins with more power, fewer donuts, and a bad case of topographical agnosia (inability to read a map).

    Sobel would go to any lengths to ensure his men became soldiers. The importance of a soldier keeping hold of his rifle at all times is obvious – “Your rifle is your right arm! It should be in your possession at every moment,” he would say.

    To teach his men a lesson, Sobel snuck into the men’s bivouac area while they were sleeping on a night exercise. He and Sergeant Evans managed to steal almost fifty rifles from their sleeping owners. This exercise was designed to prove an important point in a very graphic way.

    Unfortunately, after the men were called together in the morning and Sobel was telling them how lousy they were, F Company’s CO and forty-five of F Co.’s men came over, angry. Sobel had accidentally wandered into F Co.’s bivouac area and stolen their rifles by mistake! (src)

    So there it is. Character is good, but a working compass is better.

  160. Professor Q says:

    Could the Patriots be involved in both the highest scoring and lowest scoring Super Bowl?

    The way it’s going thus far, then yes.

  161. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Professor Q:
    Could the Patriots be involved in both the highest scoring and lowest scoring Super Bowl?

    The way it’s going thus far, then yes.

    – it’s a great Super Bowl. Patriots playing better chess game imo.

    – would never guessed that a 3-0 game could be so exciting

  162. Durag says:

    Drew: I was waiting for that, think about trading a Hart trophy calibre player for a player who doesn’t skate well enough for OT.because oilers

    I’m going to throw a bold statement out there and I’m interested to see if anyone has a counter example: The Oilers have not made a good decision of any consequence since the 2006 trade deadline.

    Not an astute hire, not a trade that made the team markedly better, not a home run draft pick. Nothing. The closest thing I can think of was hiring Ralph Kruger, but then we turfed him after 40 some games because a guy with a nicer haircut made eyes at us.

  163. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Durag: I’m going to throw a bold statement out there and I’m interested to see if anyone has a counter example: The Oilers have not made a good decision of any consequence since the 2006 trade deadline.

    Not an astute hire, not a trade that made the team markedly better, not a home run draft pick. Nothing. The closest thing I can think of was hiring Ralph Kruger, but then we turfed him after 40 some games because a guy with a nicer haircut made eyes at us.

    I agree with this. Especially the Kruger bit. Best coach they had the past 12 years.

  164. hunter1909 says:

    Durag: I’m going to throw a bold statement out there and I’m interested to see if anyone has a counter example: The Oilers have not made a good decision of any consequence since the 2006 trade deadline.

    Not an astute hire, not a trade that made the team markedly better, not a home run draft pick. Nothing. The closest thing I can think of was hiring Ralph Kruger, but then we turfed him after 40 some games because a guy with a nicer haircut made eyes at us.

    I started following the Lowe+MacT Oilers around the time when Dallas used to be their killers, and thought what a nice solid team they had – all they needed was a Chris Pronger + a real top line and they’d be contenders. I also gave Lowe credit for that team, knowing nothing more than what I saw until years later I learned that Glen Sather had made that team, that Lowe+MacT simply rode it as far as they could then everything collapsed under the weight of their incompetence.

    Pronger for one had no respect for MacT as a coach. They tried to hide it but once they showed MacT trying to talk to Pronger who just about laughed in his face. Then MacT, who was hyped as a great coach couldn’t even get another NHL gig, proving he was nothing at all but then gets made GM!!!????

    Finally I’m just starting to understand just how clueless Nicholson is, he’s seriously out to lunch like someone in a nursing home way. Clueless.

    Rant over.

  165. Dicky94 says:

    hunter1909,

    It will all be better when after an exhausting search for GM, Bob decides to go Daryl Katz kid.

  166. tileguy says:

    Dicky94:
    hunter1909,

    It will all be betterwhen after an exhausting search for GM, Bob decides to go Daryl Katz kid.

    His name is Harrison, please remember that, Harrison.

  167. hunter1909 says:

    Dicky94:
    hunter1909,

    It will all be betterwhen after an exhausting search for GM, Bob decides to go Daryl Katz kid.

    I’m in. He looks bright enough to know exactly who he’s going to sack on his first day on the job.

  168. Jaxon says:

    Nurse: 20 pts in last 26 games, which works out to a 63 pt pace.

    Risto Siltanen was the last D not named Coffey to get 63 or more points in a season in 1982 when he scored 63. 37 years.

  169. leadfarmer says:

    Jaxon:
    Nurse: 20 pts in last 26 games, which works out to a 63 pt pace.

    How much would you like to bet that Nurse never hits 60 points. Or 50

  170. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Lucic has 6 points, all primary (4G/2A) since the turn of the calendar, 5 of them at 5 on 5 and is scoring at 1.94P/60 at 5 on 5 and 1.94P1/60 at 5 on 5.

    Just some context on Milan in 2019.

    His primary assist today was Nurse shooting the puck off of him. All primary assists are not really primary assists.

    His goals mostly completely open looks.

  171. texmex says:

    Condors have won 10 straight

    Oilers have lost 5 straight.

    One of these things is not like the other.

  172. godot10 says:

    Durag: I’m going to throw a bold statement out there and I’m interested to see if anyone has a counter example: The Oilers have not made a good decision of any consequence since the 2006 trade deadline.

    Not an astute hire, not a trade that made the team markedly better, not a home run draft pick. Nothing. The closest thing I can think of was hiring Ralph Kruger, but then we turfed him after 40 some games because a guy with a nicer haircut made eyes at us.

    Tambellini’s hire of Todd Nelson for OKC was a really good hire. Totally merit-based. No ties to the Oilers.

  173. Glovjuice says:

    hunter1909: I started following the Lowe+MacT Oilers around the time when Dallas used to be their killers, and thought what a nice solid team they had – all they needed was a Chris Pronger + a real top line and they’d be contenders. I also gave Lowe credit for that team, knowing nothing more than what I saw until years later I learned that Glen Sather had made that team, that Lowe+MacT simply rode it as far as they could then everything collapsed under the weight of their incompetence.

    Pronger for one had no respect for MacT as a coach. They tried to hide it but once they showed MacT trying to talk to Pronger who just about laughed in his face. Then MacT, who was hyped as a great coach couldn’t even get another NHL gig, proving he was nothing at all but then gets made GM!!!????

    Finally I’m just starting to understand just how clueless Nicholson is, he’s seriously out to lunch like someone in a nursing home way. Clueless.

    Rant over.

    Agreed, Bobby N. is actually a dummy. That “has a plan” babble was totally hilarious. Total fraud. I’m actually embarrassed for the man.

  174. Jaxon says:

    leadfarmer: How much would you like to bet that Nurse never hits 60 points.Or 50

    I think he will. He’s only 23. He’s still got another 3 or 4, maybe more years of improvement before he reaches his peak, especially if they find him a proper RD partner. And his peak will also coincide with the Draisaitl and McDavid peaks. He’ll be 27 when they are 25 and 26.

  175. OriginalPouzar says:

    Durag: I’m going to throw a bold statement out there and I’m interested to see if anyone has a counter example: The Oilers have not made a good decision of any consequence since the 2006 trade deadline.

    Not an astute hire, not a trade that made the team markedly better, not a home run draft pick. Nothing. The closest thing I can think of was hiring Ralph Kruger, but then we turfed him after 40 some games because a guy with a nicer haircut made eyes at us.

    The trade for Cam Talbot made the team markedly better and was a huge reason they finished in the top 10 and were damn close to making the conference finals.

    If Caleb Jones becomes an every day top 4 d-man, that’s a home run pick from his draft position.

  176. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: His primary assist today was Nurse shooting the puck off of him.All primary assists are not really primary assists.

    His goals mostly completely open looks.

    Facts are what the facts are.

    Lucic was in the right place to take that shot/deflection – that is also a change given he’s spent the better part of his Oiler career to the side of the goalie, not in front. He’s in the right spot, leads to a goal.

  177. Professor Q says:

    godot10: Tambellini’s hire of Todd Nelson for OKC was a really good hire.Totally merit-based.No ties to the Oilers.

    As was Dallas Eakins. He did really well with the Marlies, and was one of the Rising Stars of the league.

    If this was a vacuum, of course.

    The firings of Krueger and Nelson will always leave a sour taste.

  178. leadfarmer says:

    Jaxon: I think he will. He’s only 23. He’s still got another 3 or 4, maybe more years of improvement before he reaches his peak, especially if they find him a proper RD partner. And his peak will also coincide with the Draisaitl and McDavid peaks. He’ll be 27 when they are 25 and 26.

    Would very highly doubt it. He’s just a filler on the pp, and will likely not get pp time over Bouchard Klef in future. He does not pass the puck well. Extrapolating is how we end up with a backup goalie making starter money with partial NTC
    Nurse is a 30 point guy. That’s ok. If he works on his defense

  179. Jordan says:

    OriginalPouzar: Did you like Dwayne Roloson as well because, aside from those 7 games, he provides prototypical Roli tending in almost every game and its NOT good enough.

    Some solid play with a few 5-bell saves, an iffy goal and then a terrible goal at a terrible time.

    He’s done it all year and he’s done it to a T in the two games since he signed.

    Dwayne Roloson was an effective top 10-15 goaltender during his time with the Oilers with a horrible D-corp in front of him.

    When the Oilers have Klef, Lars and Nurse in the lineup in front of Koski, he’s won more than he’s lost.

    Koskinen by eye does not look to be good as Roli was at his peak, but may be a better wall due to size and positioning and a potentially better D corp. If Sekera is still an NHL top 4 and if Russell isnt playing in the top 4 anymore.

    He’s not worth 4.5 in front of the current D corp, but I’d challenge you to find a FA goalie who is.

    This D corp as it is right now is has a #3 and #6 D pairing for its first pair, a #4 and a # 5/6 D for its second pair, and 6/7 and a 2nd pairing AHL shutdown Dman as their 3rd pairing.

    It horawful. Easily worst in the NHL. These guys would get any one of Vasilevski, Anderson, Lehner, Bishop or Fleury look like marginal talents.

    It’s getting to be like we’re the Flyers West – we find great goalies, but them behind horrible D groups, run the goalies out of town when they falter, and watch them succeed for other teams.

    And just think – that was more than a Decade ago now, and the team still can’t get it right!

    The definition of insanity…

  180. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: The trade for Cam Talbot made the team markedly better and was a huge reason they finished in the top 10 and were damn close to making the conference finals.

    If Caleb Jones becomes an every day top 4 d-man, that’s a home run pick from his draft position.

    Talbot has been terrible in 60% of his time here.

  181. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon:
    Nurse: 20 pts in last 26 games, which works out to a 63 pt pace.

    Risto Siltanen was the last D not named Coffey to get 63 or more points in a season in 1982 when he scored 63. 37 years.

    We all know that Nurse doesn’t look like he’s got plus offensive instincts and often looks lost making plays and carrying the puck down deep. At the same time, this is a long stretch of consistent production and I am wondering if he is going to continue to be a guy that simply outproduces his actual offensive skillset? It will be costly but I’ll take it.

    His 4.79P/60 at 5 on 4 is MUCH better than Klefbom and a fairly solid number.

  182. Pescador says:

    tileguy: His name is Harrison, please remember that, Harrison.

    Harry Kats
    Got it

  183. hunter1909 says:

    Glovjuice: Agreed, Bobby N. is actually a dummy. That “has a plan” babble was totally hilarious. Total fraud. I’m actually embarrassed for the man.

    He’s the Oiler’s Mitt Romney. A good looking stiff to present to a gullible public.

  184. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar: The trade for Cam Talbot made the team markedly better and was a huge reason they finished in the top 10 and were damn close to making the conference finals.

    If Caleb Jones becomes an every day top 4 d-man, that’s a home run pick from his draft position.

    – sek was also a huge get – the best available. If sek had 3 years like 2016 and didn’t injured in the playoffs and missed the last 2 years we are a way different D. Nurse would be only emerging as a top 4 Benning would be a solid 3 RHD Jones and Bouchard would be fighting to make the bigs next year.

    – Sek was massive and his absence and his 5.5mm hijack on salary cap for the last 2 years has had immeasurable consequences: from just a salary utilization and D development.

    – emeriging from the basement he’s been sorely missed on so many levels for the last 2+ Seasons and playoffs IMO

  185. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex:
    Condors have won 10 straight

    Oilers have lost 5 straight.

    One of these things is not like the other.

    They are a fun team to watch as well – they come in waves when they are playing well. Multiple lines contributing, solid tending (Starrett has been VERY good), good special teams.

    I am pretty sure you can get an AHL TV pass (single team) for a reduced price of less than $40 for the rest of the year. It was $60 for the year and just a great purchase.

  186. jp says:

    LMHF#1: Sarcasm…yes?

    Or we have a different definition of skating…

    It seems like I/we do.

    Super interesting.

    If you took some skating quickness/speed/agility drills and pitted Russell vs. Larsson, I’m pretty sure Russell would win the majority. Do we agree?

    Larsson has the read/react/positioning part down, which is why he’s a good NHL defenseman. But in actual skating, it seems clear to me that Russell is superior.

    I’m not being sarcastic. Let me know if/where/how we differ.

  187. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Healthy Sek puts every othe D a half line lower and helps the offence and puck movement and the G and the PP and 3X3

    – his absence hurt on so many levels

    – what his 11mm+ over the last two years at replacement level D moves the needle a lot.

    – Of course we will never know but he was awesome with whatever partner he had.

  188. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Glovjuice: Talbot has been terrible in 60% of his time here.

    – Talbot was fine when all of Klefbom Larsson and Sek were healthy.

    – But yes he let the team down a lot in their absence.

  189. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: Would very highly doubt it.He’s just a filler on the pp, and will likely not get pp time over Bouchard Klef in future.He does not pass the puck well.Extrapolating is how we end up with a backup goalie making starter money with partial NTC
    Nurse is a 30 point guy.That’s ok.If he works on his defense

    I don’t see 60 points either but to say he’s a 30 point guy when he had 26 last year with a total of 38 PP minutes and already has 26 this year (with very limited PP time until mid-December).

    I’m not sure Klef gets his PP1 job back this year – Nurse’s 4.79 P/60 is over 1.5 better than Klef and Klef was under 2.00 last year.

    Even in the big PP year, Klef was in the low 4s which is less than Nurse this year.

  190. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice: Talbot has been terrible in 60% of his time here.

    I would encourage you to read the question and the answer again – The Talbot trade was very material in the team finishing top 10 in 2016-17 and almost making the conference finals.

    His play after has nothing to do with the success of the team that year.

  191. Durag says:

    I’m going to say the Maroon trade on reflection is the best move. Paid nothing and got a lot of games in the top 6 on a team that won a playoff round.

  192. LMHF#1 says:

    jp: It seems like I/we do.

    Super interesting.

    If you took some skating quickness/speed/agility drills and pitted Russell vs. Larsson, I’m pretty sure Russell would win the majority. Do we agree?

    Larsson has the read/react/positioning part down, which is why he’s a good NHL defenseman. But in actual skating, it seems clear to me that Russell is superior.

    I’m not being sarcastic. Let me know if/where/how we differ.

    I’d be speaking to the technical aspects of skating. The ability to do things properly and therefore move around the ice most efficiently.

    Russell looks like he’s moving a lot…but he is not a strong technical skater and often is essentially running in place because of this. He’s also a horrendous backwards skater which is one of the reasons he has to turn around all the time.

    You can look and even in some ways be quick out there, but actually be a bad skater. Russell gets turned around, knocked off of pucks, and beaten by players that can use their edges and start/stop better than he can.

  193. Glovjuice says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Talbot was fine when all of Klefbom Larsson and Sek were healthy.

    – But yes he let the team down a lot in their absence.

    I have no words to counter this.

  194. Gerta Rauss says:

    Nice work getting the quote function working again LT-much easier on the eyes

  195. OilClog says:

    3 for 1

    Nurse, Jesse, 1st for Hall, life deserves this hilarity.

  196. Oddspell says:

    Durag: I’m going to throw a bold statement out there and I’m interested to see if anyone has a counter example: The Oilers have not made a good decision of any consequence since the 2006 trade deadline.

    Not an astute hire, not a trade that made the team markedly better, not a home run draft pick. Nothing. The closest thing I can think of was hiring Ralph Kruger, but then we turfed him after 40 some games because a guy with a nicer haircut made eyes at us.

    Do you mean A) A good bet at the time whether or not it turned out?

    or B) A good decision that yielded dividends?

    I can think of a heck of a lot of As… but very few Bs.

    I think MacT went slightly against the grain and drafted Draisaitl ahead of Bennett, right? I remember Draisaitl being mostly the consensus #4, while Bennett was all around the top 3. Very good decision.

    And he might be cold now, but Talbot (along with Connor) carried us into the playoffs for the first time in a decade. Can’t knock that trade.

    Eberle pick? Klefbom pick? Petry pick?

  197. jp says:

    LMHF#1: I’d be speaking to the technical aspects of skating. The ability to do things properly and therefore move around the ice most efficiently.

    Russell looks like he’s moving a lot…but he is not a strong technical skater and often is essentially running in place because of this. He’s also a horrendous backwards skater which is one of the reasons he has to turn around all the time.

    You can look and even in some ways be quick out there, but actually be a bad skater. Russell gets turned around, knocked off of pucks, and beaten by players that can use their edges and start/stop better than he can.

    I may be wrong, but Russell’s “skating” issues are all between his ears IMO.

    We’ll have to agree to disagree on his technical skating abilities I think.

  198. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: I would encourage you to read the question and the answer again – The Talbot trade was very material in the team finishing top 10 in 2016-17 and almost making the conference finals.

    His play after has nothing to do with the success of the team that year.

    The objective of trading for a starting goalie is for him to be good for more than once every three years. Tha only projects at 30-40 % of his contact/career.

  199. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Russell is very small for a defenseman. He looks like he’s skating hard but he is losing foot races all over the ice. He doesn’t have speed. just looks like it. Like tall dancers look slow moving, short look fast moving.

    Reminds me of Gagner and his legs going a million miles an hour and him getting nowhere fast.

    The Drouin goal is a perfect example of Russell’s poor skating. A little hold up and move inside and our man was a snow angel again. Made Drouin look like Connor.

    I admire Russell’s drive and the career he’s made despite the odds, but if he is on the team next year the NGM is as boneheaded as the others. Sekera is a far better player and if he comes back ok he’s worth the 1.5M. Or move them both and free up a whack.

  200. LMHF#1 says:

    jp: I may be wrong, but Russell’s “skating” issues are all between his ears IMO.

    We’ll have to agree to disagree on his technical skating abilities I think.

    Fair – though I would suggest you watch 2 things next game to verify for yourself:

    – His starts when a play is transitioning

    – His backwards skating as a player attacks

    It may confirm your vision or it may not. Would be curious what you see.

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