Vantage Point

This is a challenging time. The team has 51 points after 52 games, meaning Edmonton needs about 18 wins in the final 30 games. That’s a big ask for a roster that has shown itself to be an also-ran for the last 135 games. Peter Chiarelli and Todd McLellan are gone, the road ahead has no set direction, and the caretaker coach is bringing the whip on a group shy in important places. Hitch knows it, that’s why he’s pulling punches in the scrums. There is wonderful skill in orange, white and blue, but they’re coming from a long way back. Hitchcock is “involving” more players but the skill just isn’t there. This is a challenging time.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton brought it yesterday, there’s a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: Entry deal AHL forwards give the Oilers an excellent trade pool.
  • Lowetide: If fast is the new big, how do the Edmonton Oilers get there in a hurry?
  • Jonathan Willis: Analyzing how well Peter Chiarelli and Keith Gretzky restocked the Oilers with their draft work
  • Lowetide: Finding a path to the playoffs may involve reckless use of future assets by the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL free agency period
  • Tyler Dellow: A deeper look at Connor McDavid and the Oilers’ 5-on-5 offensive changes under Ken Hitchcock
  • Corey Pronman: 2019 NHL Draft midseason rankings
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Lowetide: Edmonton’s 2019 entry draft plans may change with new GM but needs are clear
  • Lowetide: Caleb Jones has impressive first showing in the NHL with Oilers.
  • Tyler Dellow: Four questions that the Oilers should be asking candidates for the GM job
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: New Oilers caretaker Keith Gretzky caught between earning playoff berth and keeping future assets
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Goalless Tobias Rieder hopes to follow Zack Kassian and Milan Lucic and end his offensive funk.
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

OILERS AFTER 52

  • Oilers in 2015: 21-26-5, 47 points; goal differential -17
  • Oilers in 2016: 28-16-8, 64 points; goal differential +14
  • Oilers in 2017: 23-25-4, 50 points; goal differential -27
  • Oilers in 2018: 23-24-5, 51 points; goal differential -15

Two points on a two-game road trip isn’t a terrible result but the Oilers are burning daylight now and we’re at the part of the movie where the leading man starts quietly leading the women and children to the smaller boats.

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in February 2017: 0-2-0, 0 points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in February 2018: 1-0-1, three points; goal differential +3
  • Oilers in February 2019: 0-0-2, two points; goal differential -2

You know, it’s a reasonable start considering the layoff and two afternoon games and the injuries. The only problem is Edmonton needs wins. They didn’t get a one.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: Philadelphia, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-2)
  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Pittsburgh, Carolina, NY Islanders (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, NY Islanders, Anaheim (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Toronto, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 0-0-2, two points in two games

If the Edmonton Oilers grab 14 points in 14 February games, I won’t complain. They’ll be sellers at the deadline, though.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

“We played a perfect third period, it was the best we’ve played on the road all year. We did everything we needed to do, gotta have a save.” (Ken Hitchcock)

  • Manning-Benning had a mostly good weekend. Went 10-8 in 11:03, 1-3 shots, no goals, 1-0 HDSC. Benning had a couple of giveaways, otherwise the pairing was clean at 5-on-5. Manning had an encouraging two games. Went 3-3 in 4:33 against Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi-Armia.
  • Nurse-Russell were 14-16 in 16:07, 7-7 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-3 HDSC. Hitchcock liked the third period but this pairing spends long periods unable to make strong outlet passes. It’s a weakness.
    Went 3-4 in 6:15 against Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi-Armia. Russell had an especially difficult game.
  • Gravel-Larsson went 12-24 in 18:42, 4-8 shots, 0-1 goals and 2-4 HDSC. Gravel had a tough time with the puck, making errant passes and chasing from the blue line in. Larsson looked more in control save for the wraparound by Domi and that was some bad luck with the puck going right to Domi. Went 7-13 in 7:46 against Drouin-Danault-Gallagher.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 23 of 27, .852. Both goalies should feel shame based on weekend performances. Koskinen was called out by Hitchcock, although he went Steve Goodman in doing it.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Lucic-McDavid-Rattie went 14-6 in 9:48, 6-3 shots, no goals and 2-1 HDSC. I can’t fault the results over this weekend, 97 is scoring (one at 5-on-5 yesterday) and the trio is close to 60 percent in possession.
  • Khaira-Nuge-Kassian went 6-6 in 5:22, 0-1 shots no goals and no danger. This group was 54 percent over the weekend in possession.
  • Rieder-Draisaitl-Chiasson went 6-8 in 9:07, 2-4 shots, no goals and 3-0 HDSC. Rieder can’t hit the damned ocean or the Oilers would have won, but this trio was 63 percent in possession this weekend and that’s solid. Chiasson’s assist was a beauty, Leon’s two goals a big contributor to Edmonton’s getting a point.
  • Malone-Brodziak-Puljujarvi were 3-6 in 5:01, 0-2 shots and no goals or danger. Puljujarvi had a strong game including a nice chance. Good weekend for him. Brodziak was solid on the dot.

LOWETIDE 31 NAMES 2019 DRAFT

  1. (1) C Jack Hughes, U.S. National Development Team (USHL)A brilliant offensive player, cerebral, quick and highly skilled.
  2. (2) R Kaapo Kakko, Turkku (Sm-Liiga)A big power forward with tons of talent who is emerging in real time.
  3. (3) R Dylan Cozens, Lethbridge (WHL)Size, skill and he can skate. Range of skills, accurate shooter.
  4. (4) RC Kirby Dach, Saskatoon (WHL).A dynamic player with size and tremendous skill, has speed, wingspan and an excellent release.
  5. (5) R Vasili Podkolzin, St. Petersburg (MHL). Smart player with tons of offensive ability, but also possesses good two-way instinct.
  6. (7) LC Trevor Zegras, U.S. National Development Team (USHL)Undersized and highly skilled, elusive and aggressive with very good speed.
  7. (9) LC Peyton Krebs, Kootenay (WHL).Skill forward who can score, he has quick feet and good hands.
  8. (8) L Jakob Pelletier, Moncton (QMJHL). Undersized skill winger with two-way ability.
  9. (6) L Arthur Kaliyev, Hamilton (OHL)He’s a fantastic scoring prospect, moving him down because of it. Like him a lot in all other areas.
  10. (10) LC Ryan Suzuki, Barrie (OHL)Great vision, skill, tremendous passer. If he were faster, he’d be top five.
  11. (11) R Cole Caufield, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). He’s small, fast and a ridiculous scorer. Quick release, accurate.
  12. (12) LD Bowen Byram, Vancouver (WHL). Explosive speed is his top attribute but he’s also excellent with the puck and owns a heavy shot.
  13. (13) LC Alex Turcotte, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). A strong two-way reputation, he is skilled and an excellent skater. Injuries a worry.
  14. (15) L Matthew Boldy, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). Bigger winger with skill, he’s strong on the puck and can score goals.
  15. (18) LC Alex Newhook, Victoria (BCHL).Terrific scorer with playmaking skilled and dogged determination on the backcheck. Wish he played in a higher league.
  16. (14) LD Cam York, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). The latest impact puck mover out of the USHL, great speed, passing and creativity.
  17. (16) RC Raphael Lavoie, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Big center with a long reach, and a plus shot.
  18. (17) LD Thomas Harley, Mississauga (OHL). Good size, speed and he’s posting impressive numbers. Spiking as we speak.
  19. (19) LD Matthew Robertson, Edmonton (WHL). Big two-way defenseman with good speed and some offense.
  20. (20) LD Philip Broberg, AIK (Allsvenskan). He’s big and can skate, while also displaying puck moving ability.
  21. (21) RC Philip Tomasino, Niagra (OHL). Underrated player with impressive skill, spike offensively year over year has him here.
  22. (22) R Bobby Brink, Sioux City (USHL). Small, fast and very skilled, he’s an intelligent player with great vision.
  23. (23) LC Connor McMichael, London (OHL). He has good speed and lots of skill. I like him quite a lot.
  24. (24) RD Victor Soderstrom, Brynas (SHL). Impressive offensive player from the blueline. Good skater, good decisions, very quick.
  25. (25) LD Ville Heinola, Lukko (Sm-Liiga). A mature player for his age, two-way talent with good speed and calm feet. Excellent passer.
  26. (26) L Nick Robertson, Peterborough (OHL). Undersized skill winger with a sixth sense as a goal scorer. Impressive at Top Prospects.
  27. (27) L Nils Hoglander, Rogle (SHL). A small skill winger, he can beat defensemen clean. More playmaker than scorer, but has a quick release and an effective shot.
  28. (28) RD Moritz Seider, Mannheim (DEL). An actual teenage giant (6.04, 198) with a Condor wingspan. He’s a good passer and has decent speed.
  29. (29) L Nolan Foote, Kelowna (WHL). Power forward with skill, not certain he’s a future scorer on an NHL skill line.
  30. (NR) R Maxim Cajkovic, Saint John (QMJHL). Highly skilled winger on a poor team, he’s emerging as a top talent this year.
  31. (31) RC Brett Leason, Prince Albert (WHL). Already famous, he turns 20 two months before the draft. Impressive scorer, massive year over year spike.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning planned and of course maybe we get some Oilers roster news along the way. It begins at 10, TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Andy McNamara, TSN4Downs. A surprisingly low scoring Super Bowl with a predictable result. How bad was this game?
  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260. Can the Oilers make the playoffs? Should the team start selling soon?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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190 Responses to "Vantage Point"

  1. leadfarmer says:

    We made Koskinen rich by extrapolating small sample sizes.
    What a contract for a backup goalie

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EDM Goal Share after 52 games (23-24-5)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 55-47 (54%)
    McDavid Off Ice 49-69 (42%)
    EV= -12

    Special Teams (PP+SH For-PK+SH Against):
    38-42
    ST= -4

    Empty Net: (all 5v6 & 5v6)
    6-13
    EN= -7

    SO & PS
    3-1

    SO/PS= +2

    Net Goal Differential -21

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HITCHCOCK ERA
    EDM Goal Share after 32 games (14-14-4)

    Even strength (5v5,4v4,3v3)
    McDavid On Ice 35-33 (51%)
    McDavid Off Ice 31-41 (43%)
    Net EV -8

    Sp. Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against)
    21-23
    Net ST -2

    Empty Net
    4-8
    Net EN -4

    SO & PS
    3-1
    SO & PS=+2

    Net Goal Differential -12

  4. tileguy says:

    If Talbot had been moved by now, and we had a trader at the helm that would know how to turn that cap space into a goal scorer we would of walked out with 3 and possibly 4 points this weekend. Just one sniper instead of Reider would make such a difference.

  5. leadfarmer says:

    Zegras would be a fine addition at the draft if we fail to win the lotto

  6. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY 20
    SJS 14
    VGK 8

    Central
    WPG 18
    NSH 12
    DAL 6

    Wildcard
    MIN 4
    VAN 2

    Out of Playoffs
    COL 1
    STL 1
    ARI 0
    EDM -1
    ANA -1
    CHI -4
    LAK -7

    Relevant games tonight:

    ANA at TOR (TOR -265)
    VAN at PHI (PHI -155)
    ARI at DAL (DAL -195)

  7. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Eastern Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Atlantic
    TBY 28
    TOR 14
    BOS 11

    Metropolitan
    NYI 15
    PIT 10
    WSH 10

    Wildcard
    MTL 11
    CBJ 8

    Out of playoffs
    BUF 5
    CAR 4
    FLA 0
    PHI 0
    NYR 0
    DET -4
    NJD -4
    OTT -9

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    The contract for Roli, I mean Koskinen, could potentially prove to be one of the worse moves by the previous management group (if it was the previous management group) unless Koskinen can somehow get back to playing even close to how he was during his heater. He has not been good at all for the majority of his time and that is a major concern.

    Here is hoping that an improved defence over the last 30 games (Klefbom, Sekera – everyone bumps down a notch or two) and over the next few years helps him improve his game.

    If not……

  9. tileguy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Zegras would be a fine addition at the draft if we fail to win the lotto

    Him and Yammo could form the squito line.

  10. Tagger2013 says:

    The Oil is at best a 2nd Wildcard spot, but given the injuries and such they should be planning for no playoffs. Try to clear cap space at the deadline and reassess needs in the summer and get busy then but not sooner.

  11. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    The OTL yesterday is on the coach.
    Baffling decision to put both Chiasson and Russell out in OT. How many draws has Chiasson taken this year? Seems like not such a good time for him to practice them, let alone be on the ice at all.
    As per Russell, “New Orleans is Sinkin man and I just gotta SWIM!” Stand on the 2 feet you were given.

    next OT I would like to see JP and Nuge as the “second” forward pair. With the extra space 3v3 I think we could see some of JPs skills brought to light. He is no more of a defensive liability than anyone else on the forward group, so can’t really argue that….

  12. Dustylegnd says:

    leadfarmer:
    We made Koskinen rich by extrapolating small sample sizes.
    What a contract for a backup goalie

    Is he even a top 10 back up?…same as it ever was…in other news, Brossoit leads the league in SV% and has 10 wins..

    This is not my beautiful house……This is not my beautiful wife…

  13. Coiler says:

    Let’s be honest, this is not a playoff team. The likelihood of this team making the playoffs as they are presently constituted is almost nil and if, through some Herculean effort by McJesus, they do make it then I’ll eat my shorts.

    I believe Hitchcock is an educator. He’s taught them his system and is allowing them to audition for their jobs and prove their mettle. Some will rise to the occasion but most won’t. Let the chips fall where they may and each passing loss will show the deep rot that exists in this organization. Maybe Nicholson will sample the water to see what the issues are…maybe he’ll make the right decisions in terms of the new GM hire…maybe he’ll admit that he poo-pooed the bed when he collectively gave the thumbs up on the Koskinen deal. Lot of maybes…

  14. Dustylegnd says:

    Coiler:
    Let’s be honest, this is not a playoff team. The likelihood of this team making the playoffs as they are presently constituted is almost nil and if, through some Herculean effort by McJesus, they do make it then I’ll eat my shorts.

    Dom Luszczyszyn updated playoff probabilities as of 40 mins ago ….Edmonton Oilers 16%

    You wont be needing any salt to choke down your shorts

  15. Oilpower says:

    So what would be worse, finishing bottom 5 or sneaking into the playoffs, and getting swept by the flames?

  16. Andy Dufresne says:

    Dustylegnd: Is he even a top 10 back up?…same as it ever was…in other news, Brossoit leads the league in SV% and has 10 wins..

    This is not my beautiful house……This is not my beautiful wife…

    This post is rich in Irony and other essential vitamins.

  17. Durag says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:

    As per Russell, “New Orleans is Sinkin man and I just gotta SWIM!” Stand on the 2 feet you were given.

    Kris Russell got burned for 2 OT goals AND he doesn’t know Hip lyrics?? Ugh.

  18. Andy Dufresne says:

    Carey Price would have an .850 SV% behind this defense.

    Marc Andre Fleury .879

  19. London Jon says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    The OTL yesterday is on the coach.
    Baffling decision to put both Chiasson and Russell out in OT. How many draws has Chiasson taken this year? Seems like not such a good time for him to practice them, let alone be on the ice at all.
    As per Russell, “New Orleans is Sinkin man and I just gotta SWIM!” Stand on the 2 feet you were given.

    next OT I would like to see JP and Nuge as the “second” forward pair. With the extra space 3v3 I think we could see some of JPs skills brought to light. He is no more of a defensive liability than anyone else on the forward group, so can’t really argue that….

    I had exactly the same thought process when I saw Chiasson on the dot. 1), wtf is he doing taking the face off; and then 2) wtf is he doing on the ice.

    Also totally agree that OT should suit JP and I would much rather see him out there than Chiasson or Rattie.

    I would also focus on possession and playing it safe when Connor and Leon go off. Go Nuge/JP/Larsson while Connor rests for 30 seconds and then get him back out there.

    Or even better, as per the great suggestion from someone here, use the timeout to max Connor time in OT. Our odds of winning must be 70/30 with Connor on the ice in OT and 30/70 when he’s on the bench…

  20. Andy Dufresne says:

    Oilpower:
    So what would be worse, finishing bottom 5 or sneaking into the playoffs, and getting swept by the flames?

    Did OK last time they snuck in the playoffs as a HUGE underdog. (2005-2006)

    Plus McDavid would win the Hart.

  21. anjinsan says:

    LT, your opening paragraph = accuracy.

    Sad — I think Hitch is doing his absolute best with the team that Chiarelli’s built (down) and McDavid is doing his superman best.

    If the playoffs don’t come to pass, McDavid needs to not find himself lacking.

  22. Woogie63 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Carey Price would have an .850 SV% behind this defense.

    Marc Andre Fleury .879

    Yesterday Carey Price had a .875 SV% yesterday behind his defence.

  23. Oilman99 says:

    leadfarmer:
    We made Koskinen rich by extrapolating small sample sizes.
    What a contract for a backup goalie

    Not sure he’s even a viable backup the way he’s playing the last month.

  24. Woogie63 says:

    Is Bear injured on the farm?

  25. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The contract for Roli, I mean Koskinen, could potentially prove to be one of the worse moves by the previous management group (if it was the previous management group) unless Koskinen can somehow get back to playing even close to how he was during his heater.He has not been good at all for the majority of his time and that is a major concern.

    Here is hoping that an improved defence over the last 30 games (Klefbom, Sekera – everyone bumps down a notch or two) and over the next few years helps him improve his game.

    If not……

    The incompetence of this team’s management is so exasperating,nothing ever improves,laughingstock of the league.

  26. Oilman99 says:

    Woogie63: Yesterday Carey Price had a .875 SV% yesterday behind his defence.

    At least Price can stop a beach ball,and knows where the puck goes when he makes a save.

  27. ArmchairGM says:

    Oilpower:
    So what would be worse, finishing bottom 5 or sneaking into the playoffs, and getting swept by the flames?

    Look at these guys. Would you trade one of their careers for 2 additional home gates?

    (1) C Jack Hughes, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). A brilliant offensive player, cerebral, quick and highly skilled.
    (2) R Kaapo Kakko, Turkku (Sm-Liiga). A big power forward with tons of talent who is emerging in real time.
    (3) R Dylan Cozens, Lethbridge (WHL). Size, skill and he can skate. Range of skills, accurate shooter.
    (4) RC Kirby Dach, Saskatoon (WHL).A dynamic player with size and tremendous skill, has speed, wingspan and an excellent release.
    (5) R Vasili Podkolzin, St. Petersburg (MHL). Smart player with tons of offensive ability, but also possesses good two-way instinct.

  28. frjohnk says:

    In Mikkos last 10 games, he has had 3 games with a save % above .900
    In Cams last 10 games, he has had 4 games with a save % above .900.

    Goaltending needs more culture and character

  29. Oilman99 says:

    tileguy:
    If Talbot had been moved by now, and we had a trader at the helm that would know how to turn that cap space into a goal scorer we would of walked out with 3 and possibly 4 points this weekend. Just one sniper instead of Reider would make such a difference.

    A scoring forward with no viable goal tending, makes real great sense.

  30. Jethro Tull says:

    anjinsan:
    LT, your opening paragraph = accuracy.

    Sad — I think Hitch is doing his absolute best with the team that Chiarelli’s built (down) and McDavid is doing his superman best.

    If the playoffs don’t come to pass, McDavid needs to not find himself lacking.

    Putting Chaisson and Russell out after McDavid and Draisaitl and Nurse is doing your absolute best? Sounds like tank warfare.

  31. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    You watch more closely than I do these days.

    I felt a sense of déjà vu with the Kotkaniemi goal. It’s happened before.

    Koskinen looks lost when the puck is behind the net.

    I wonder if this is goaltending scouting with this type of play.

  32. Coiler says:

    ArmchairGM,

    No, that would be foolish.

    According to MacTavish and Howson and the water in Edmonton however, the culture demands it.

  33. leadfarmer says:

    tileguy: Him and Yammo could form the squito line.

    Which is why I’m sure they’ll pass on him because “you can’t have a team of midgets” and instantly regret it

  34. Jordan says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Carey Price would have an .850 SV% behind this defense.

    Marc Andre Fleury .879

    frjohnk:
    In Mikkos last 10 games, he has had 3 games with a save % above .900
    In Cams last 10 games, he has had 4 games with a save % above .900.

    Goaltending needs more culture and character

    Woogie63: Yesterday Carey Price had a .875 SV% yesterday behind his defence.

    Durag: Kris Russell got burned for 2 OT goals AND he doesn’t know Hip lyrics?? Ugh.

    This is what I wrote yesterday:

    Dwayne Roloson was an effective top 10-15 goaltender during his time with the Oilers with a horrible D-corp in front of him.

    When the Oilers have Klef, Lars and Nurse in the lineup in front of Koski, he’s won more than he’s lost.

    Koskinen by eye does not look to be good as Roli was at his peak, but may be a better wall due to size and positioning and a potentially better D corp. If Sekera is still an NHL top 4 and if Russell isnt playing in the top 4 anymore.

    He’s not worth 4.5 in front of the current D corp, but I’d challenge you to find a FA goalie who is.

    This D corp as it is right now is has a #3 and #6 D pairing for its first pair, a #4 and a # 5/6 D for its second pair, and 6/7 and a 2nd pairing AHL shutdown Dman as their 3rd pairing.

    It horawful. Easily worst in the NHL. These guys would get any one of Vasilevski, Anderson, Lehner, Bishop or Fleury look like marginal talents.

    It’s getting to be like we’re the Flyers West – we find great goalies, but them behind horrible D groups, run the goalies out of town when they falter, and watch them succeed for other teams.

    And just think – that was more than a Decade ago now, and the team still can’t get it right!

    The definition of insanity…

  35. ArmchairGM says:

    If we’re picking at #10 again, I think it comes down to whichever of Kaliyev or Byram is available. I know some are going to argue Leftorium and Need, but Byram would be a great addition and may end up being the BPA at #10. I wouldn’t be disappointed if the Oilers snagged him at #10.

  36. Rondo says:

    Oilers should be sellers, no matter what happens before the trade deadline.

    Oilers can use Leon, McDavid, and RNH as the 3 centers against weaker teams. Against good teams, they can’t.

  37. jtblack says:

    “we’re at the part of the movie where the leading man starts quietly leading the women and children to the smaller boats.”

    +1 !!!

  38. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Jordan,

    The “a horrible D corps” in 2008-09 consisted of Souray-Visnovsky, Grebeshkov-Gilbert, Smid-Staios. Not a bad group IMO.

  39. jtblack says:

    Hitch has been handed a Sh*t Sandwich.

    He’s tried to move around the Bread. Go no Bread. Doesn’t matter what he does. Roster is a shit Sandwich.

    Crying shame the best player in the world has to play with an anchor and ahl’er in the name of Balance.

    MARCHAND-BERGERON-PASTRNAK
    KUCHEROV-POINT-KILLORN
    LUCIC-MCDAVID-RATTIE

    😭😭😭

  40. Jethro Tull says:

    Sellers? Who wants to buy what we’re only willing to sell?

    Keith better put his compelting pants on.

  41. jtblack says:

    ArmchairGM:
    If we’re picking at #10 again, I think it comes down to whichever of Kaliyev or Byram is available. I know some are going to argue Leftorium and Need, but Byram would be a great addition and may end up being the BPA at #10. I wouldn’t be disappointed if the Oilers snagged him at #10.

    Could be BPA @ #3. For real Watch his highlights? he is not floating goals in from the Point. He’s walking guys 1 on 1 and ragging the puck. He’s a 5×5 Monster.

    Recent Comparison. Ivan Provorov.

  42. jtblack says:

    Russsell has a biunce back year in 2016 / 17. Pete over pays Locks him up & adds a NMC.
    Kassian bounce back Over pay.
    Koskinen Heater. Over pay.

    THIS IS US

  43. frjohnk says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Jordan,

    The “a horrible D corps” in 2008-09 consisted of Souray-Visnovaky, Grebeshkov Gilbert, Smid-Staios. Not a bad group IMO.

    Yup.
    Those teams ( 07-08, 08-09) were short in impact forwards ( only had Hemsky) They were not far from the playoffs. The D were the best part of those teams.

  44. Alpine says:

    Lehner put up good SV% numbers on bad Buffalo teams. Anderson’s at .906 on a still worse defense than Edmonton. Freddy Andersen has been solid behind some weak D corps in Toronto. Detroit, awful defense, bad team, Howard’s at .927, .910, .915 the last three seasons.

    Koskinen gave himself a buffer with his hot start as he’s still at .908. His positive Goals-saved-above-average is encouraging.

    Can we do with away the “he’s playing behind a bad defense” excuse? Proven time and time again, that goalies can play well behind bad defenses. Koskinen’s owns his own good play but he should have to own his bad play as well.

  45. McSorley33 says:

    ArmchairGM,

    If we’re picking at #10 again, I think it comes down to whichever of Kaliyev or Byram is available. I know some are going to argue Leftorium and Need, but Byram would be a great addition and may end up being the BPA at #10. I wouldn’t be disappointed if the Oilers snagged him at #10.
    ******************************************************************************************************
    Rattie, Lucic, Rieder….vs

    Klefbobm- Larsson
    Nurse – Bouchard

    Then add in our other D prospects

    I like Byram as much as anyone.

    But the Stench from what we are icing at the Wing position is appalling.

    To suggest the winger position is a team Need – does not do justice to how
    bad we need *fast* scoring wingers.

    McKeens’ on Zegras:

    Hughes is the more creative skater, allowing the viewer to sit back and appreciate. Zegras is more *explosive*. When he takes off, he is gone and the burst ends when he reaches his destination

    Imagine RNH or Drai with speed and skill on the wing.

    I like Benson and Marody but both do not bring speed to the table.

  46. jtblack says:

    Rondo:
    Oilers should be sellers, no matter what happens before the trade deadline.

    Oilers can use Leon, McDavid, and RNHas the 3 centers against weaker teams. Against good teams, they can’t.

    SELL. Acquire assets. Build this out for 2019 and beyond.

    Even if this roster fot into playoffs, how far can they go?

    SELL

  47. Woogie63 says:

    jtblack:
    Russsell has a biunce back year in 2016 / 17. Pete over paysLocks him up & adds a NMC.
    Kassian bounce back Over pay.
    Koskinen Heater. Over pay.

    THIS IS US

    Why are we paying a premium for a 5 Dman, 4RW or a 1A goalie?

    Because have to … we can’t develop 2-4 round draft picks that can contribute for 200 NHL games. Lo

  48. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The contract for Roli, I mean Koskinen, could potentially prove to be one of the worse moves by the previous management group (if it was the previous management group) unless Koskinen can somehow get back to playing even close to how he was during his heater.He has not been good at all for the majority of his time and that is a major concern.

    Here is hoping that an improved defence over the last 30 games (Klefbom, Sekera – everyone bumps down a notch or two) and over the next few years helps him improve his game.

    If not……

    In the presser following the Chiarelli firing. Nicholson confirmed ‘the group’ was onboard with the Koskinen contract. The OBC owns this one going forward. Concerning how many are going in on MK’s short side of late.

  49. frjohnk says:

    Jordan:
    This is what I wrote yesterday:

    Dwayne Roloson was an effective top 10-15 goaltender during his time with the Oilers with a horrible D-corp in front of him.

    When the Oilers have Klef, Lars and Nurse in the lineup in front of Koski, he’s won more than he’s lost.

    Koskinen by eye does not look to be good as Roli was at his peak, but may be a better wall due to size and positioning and a potentially better D corp. If Sekera is still an NHL top 4 and if Russell isnt playing in the top 4 anymore.

    He’s not worth 4.5 in front of the current D corp, but I’d challenge you to find a FA goalie who is.

    This D corp as it is right now is has a #3 and #6 D pairing for its first pair, a #4 and a # 5/6 D for its second pair, and 6/7 and a 2nd pairing AHL shutdown Dman as their 3rd pairing.

    It horawful. Easily worst in the NHL. These guys would get any one of Vasilevski, Anderson, Lehner, Bishop or Fleury look like marginal talents.

    It’s getting to be like we’re the Flyers West – we find great goalies, but them behind horrible D groups, run the goalies out of town when they falter, and watch them succeed for other teams.

    And just think – that was more than a Decade ago now, and the team still can’t get it right!

    The definition of insanity…

    No doubt that Klefboms absence has had a negative impact on goaltending.

    Koskinen save % since Dec 11th .888
    Talbot save % since Dec 11th .889

    But we are not the only team that has man games lost to injuries. Injuries happen, good teams with depth can weather those storms.

  50. who says:

    Long shot, hypothetical question for the group.
    IF (and it’s a big if) we win the lottery, do you trade the pick and Lucic to Vancouver for something like 8OV, Vertanen and Sutter?
    I know it won’t happen but should be a good discussion point.

  51. OmJo says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Jordan,

    The “a horrible D corps” in 2008-09 consisted of Souray-Visnovaky, Grebeshkov Gilbert, Smid-Staios. Not a bad group IMO.

    Souray 53pts
    Gilbert 45pts
    Grebeshkov 39pts
    Visnovsky 31pts (in 50 games)
    Staios 14pts
    Smid 11pts

    The kind of defense offense that dreams are made of.

    And all of that with a total of 0:00 time with McDavid.

  52. DocFan says:

    I was at the game last night – spent a lot of time watching Koskinen
    To me, his main issue is he is scrambling and recovering to much – reacting to the play vs trying to read the play.
    His save ability (except for Weber’s one timer) is excellent, but get him moving side to side, and all kinds of holes open up – the domi 1st goal, and kid koti’s goal (cant spell his name).

    I think some positioning work / and glove work, will go a long way to improve his performance.

  53. Durag says:

    jtblack: SELL. Acquire assets. Build this out for 2019 and beyond.

    Even if this roster fot into playoffs, how far can they go?

    SELL

    Yep. Make “hockey trades” for the medium term if they’re there, but under no circumstances should we be spending any assets on rentals. We’re not one or two good players away from being a contender, we’re one or two good offseasons away.

  54. OmJo says:

    Maybe we can trade Brodziak for Pontus Aberg?

  55. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Zegras would be a fine addition at the draft if we fail to win the lotto

    This draft is simple. Cozens or Byram.

  56. ArmchairGM says:

    McSorley33,

    Do you really think Zegras will be available at #10?

  57. Dustylegnd says:

    OmJo: Souray 53pts
    Gilbert 45pts
    Grebeshkov 39pts
    Visnovsky 31pts (in 50 games)
    Staios 14pts
    Smid 11pts

    The kind of defense offense that dreams are made of.

    And all of that with a total of 0:00 time with McDavid.

    Yes but Souray was of poor Character….dont need his kind

  58. Oddspell says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Gotta be honest, I trust the verbal from the front office so little that I don’t even believe this.

    Not that I believe it was a Chiarelli alone move, but it wouldn’t be surprising to find this was their way of covering for the fact that the Chia firing was actually a last minute decision. That or that they were letting a GM who they had decided to let go make deals with full authority up until period 2 of the game against Detroit.

    I just assume anything they say is a cover for something much more damning.

  59. Primetime says:

    who:
    Long shot, hypothetical question for the group.
    IF (and it’s a big if) we win the lottery, do you trade the pick and Lucic to Vancouver for something like 8OV, Vertanen and Sutter?
    I know it won’t happen but should be a good discussion point.

    Obviously not going to happen. However, IF you won the Hughes draft, you have to get a Lindros like haul back to trade him. That is, you need to fill all of your holes on the current roster like the Nordiques did. I get that it would be tempting to include Lucic to get rid of the contract, but it downgrades the rest of the return…there has to be another way to get rid of him

  60. Jethro Tull says:

    jtblack: SELL. Acquire assets. Build this out for 2019 and beyond.

    Even if this roster fot into playoffs, how far can they go?

    SELL

    Sell what? The only things we have worth selling are things we don’t want to sell. Heck, there are some that don’t even want to sell what we couldn’t even give away.

  61. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    CAR is advertising for 2 positions in the company:

    1) Data Engineer: https://www.teamworkonline.com/hockey-jobs/hockeyjobs/carolina-hurricanes/data-engineer-1952118?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    2) Senior Data Scientist: https://www.teamworkonline.com/hockey-jobs/hockeyjobs/carolina-hurricanes/senior-data-scientist-1952117?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Here’s a bit from the Scientist posting:

    The introduction of player and puck tracking technologies presents a unique opportunity to reshape quantitative analysis of the game; we aim to be leaders in making use of that data to obtain a competitive advantage. With that in mind, we are seeking an experienced data scientist to develop and communicate insights that support hockey decision-making throughout the organization.

    Meanwhile EDM doesn’t even have someone employed who would know that they need to ramp up their expertise in this area, let alone someone like Tulsky heading up the department in the organization.

  62. leadfarmer says:

    Washington just rubbing salt on what a backup goalie should get paid

  63. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    CAR is advertising for 2 positions in the company:

    1) Data Engineer: https://www.teamworkonline.com/hockey-jobs/hockeyjobs/carolina-hurricanes/data-engineer-1952118?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    2) Senior Data Scientist: https://www.teamworkonline.com/hockey-jobs/hockeyjobs/carolina-hurricanes/senior-data-scientist-1952117?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Here’s a bit from the Scientist posting:

    The introduction of player and puck tracking technologies presents a unique opportunity to reshape quantitative analysis of the game; we aim to be leaders in making use of that data to obtain a competitive advantage. With that in mind, we are seeking an experienced data scientist to develop and communicate insights that support hockey decision-making throughout the organization.

    Meanwhile EDM doesn’t even have someone employed who would know that they need to ramp up their expertise in this area, let alone someone like Tulsky heading up the department in the organization.

    Edmonton doesn’t even have someone who realizes that they need someone who realizes they need someone that knows they need to ramp up expertise in this area.

    I did hear OEG posted for a water plant operator, though.

  64. leadfarmer says:

    godot10: This draft is simple.Cozens or Byram.

    Both would be fine by me. But this team telegraphs it’s positions from a mile away so doubt they pick a LD over a skilled winger and Cozens is probably a lotto win to pick him

  65. tileguy says:

    Oilman99: A scoring forward with no viable goal tending, makes real great sense.

    Talbot is viable? Look, you can’t keep both men at 4M+, I beleive they kept the right guy.

  66. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oddspell:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Gotta be honest, I trust the verbal from the front office so little that I don’t even believe this.

    Not that I believe it was a Chiarelli alone move, but it wouldn’t be surprising to find this was their way of covering for the fact that the Chia firing was actually a last minute decision. That or that they were letting a GM who they had decided to let go make deals with full authority up until period 2 of the game against Detroit.

    I just assume anything they say is a cover for something much more damning.

    I agree with this.

    There is no plan until they have a plan and then it was the plan all along.

  67. Ryan says:

    Bag of Pucks: In the presser following the Chiarelli firing. Nicholson confirmed ‘the group’ was onboard with the Koskinen contract. The OBC owns this one going forward. Concerning how many are going in on MK’s short side of late.

    Yes, that’s the other thing. MK really struggles with shots on the short side especially when the puck goes through the royal road. He’s not terrible with lateral movement to the glove side, but really struggles when he has to move laterally in the crease towards the short side to make a save.

    He also has a hard time hugging the post on the short side or tracking the puck behind the net.

    I think these issues are scouted and that’s why he’s letting in more goals.

  68. hunter1909 says:

    McSorley33: Imagine RNH or Drai with speed and skill on the wing.

    Taylor Hall says hello.

    What did the OBC do with him?

  69. Tapdog says:

    ArmchairGM:
    McSorley33,

    Do you really think Zegras will be available at #10?

    Do you think we will be picking outside of #10?

  70. leadfarmer says:

    Wonder what Calgary will do before the deadline. If Rittich falters they’re so screwed

  71. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    It’s just disheartening to see how many of Chia’s later moves are now trying to be undone. The cap crisis of Sekera being activated is the next thing I’m waiting to see play out. This team’s roster is not good, and we’re shockingly over the cap once Reggie is cleared. Manning or Petrovic are likely the casualty of needing to get under the cap (maybe Talbot). If they had of canned Chia earlier, this might not be as dire a situation.

    It’s like Chia is the murderer in a horror movie. Just when you think you’re safe, he pops up for one last scare!!

  72. Ryan says:

    Oddspell:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Gotta be honest, I trust the verbal from the front office so little that I don’t even believe this.

    Not that I believe it was a Chiarelli alone move, but it wouldn’t be surprising to find this was their way of covering for the fact that the Chia firing was actually a last minute decision. That or that they were letting a GM who they had decided to let go make deals with full authority up until period 2 of the game against Detroit.

    I just assume anything they say is a cover for something much more damning.

    The timing of the Koskinen signing was redolent of Chiarelli having honored a prior verbal commitment to extending him before getting let go.

  73. russ99 says:

    Why does our hockey ops team remind me of the Duke brothers in Trading Places?

    Five minutes before the deadline: “get in there and sell!”

  74. Dustylegnd says:

    leadfarmer:
    Wonder what Calgary will do before the deadline.If Rittich falters they’re so screwed

    Rittich is trending the opposite direction from Koski

    At home he has yet to lose a single game in regulation this season, but on the road he has been particularly productive, posting an 11-4 mark, a .942 save percentage and a 1.86 goals-against average.

  75. Primetime says:

    Listening to Lowetide on the radio re: Columbus situation.

    LT, I agree that they should be going for it, for the benefit of the market, but don’t think they can lose BOTH Bobrovsky and Panarin for nothing at the end of the year.

    Personally, I think they can survive without Goalie Bob, so sell him for what they can get (eg. the rumoured Panthers trade for Brassard + you mentioned.)

    Then I keep Panarin as a “rental” and risk losing him to free agency (likely result).

    Not sure what others here would do? It’s more fun to discuss deadline/playoff deals of teams that actually have options, vs our hometown heroes….

  76. Cassandra says:

    Casey de Smith signed for 3 x 1.25 M.

    Casey de Smith is younger than Koskinen.

    Casey de Smith has a (much) better save percentage than Koskinen.

    Casey de Smith has a longer NHL track record than Koskinen.

    Now I recognize that signing Casey de Smith wasn’t an option for the Oilers. What I don’t understand is why they thought there was a chance the price would go up if they had just waited?

    I also don’t understand what de Smith’s agent was thinking.

    But that is the lesson. Someone, somewhere, is making “unfair” deals to help their organization. Even “fair” deals are losers by comparison, and deals like Koskinen’s a mix between tragedy and comedy.

    What this team needs is someone to tell them to stop doing things.

  77. Dicky94 says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR,

    I was thinking this the other day. If Chia had just replaced TMac with Hitch and left the roster alone. Would we be sitting in the playoffs today?

  78. Dustylegnd says:

    russ99:
    Why does our hockey ops team remind me of the Duke brothers in Trading Places?

    Five minutes before the deadline: “get in there and sell!”

    Mortimer your brother is not well, we better call an ambulance….FUCK HIM!!!!!!!!

  79. Dustylegnd says:

    Dicky94:
    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR,

    I was thinking this the other day. If Chia had just replaced TMac with Hitch and left the roster alone. Would we be sitting in the playoffs today?

    If Chia just left the roster alone, he wouldnt have needed to replace TMac

  80. jtblack says:

    Jethro Tull: Sell what?The only things we have worth selling are things we don’t want to sell.Heck, there are some that don’t even want to sell what we couldn’t even give away.

    Talbot
    Kassian
    Reider
    Russell

    Teams also like to add D Depth before playoffs. Manning. Petro. Russell. SELL SELL SELL

  81. flea says:

    Oilers can lose approximately 10 more games this year to still have a playoff shot. Amazing they are still in it. Countdown is on. I don’t see them making it but to be fair, they played well in both games this weekend. Keep playing like that and they will win more than they lose.

    I still want to see them sneak into a wild card and play Calgary. That would be the best!

  82. Coiler says:

    russ99:
    Why does our hockey ops team remind me of the Duke brothers in Trading Places?

    Five minutes before the deadline: “get in there and sell!”

    This is the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time. Spot on! Thx.

  83. Professor Q says:

    leadfarmer:
    Wonder what Calgary will do before the deadline.If Rittich falters they’re so screwed

    One could say that their playoff success outlook would be Pitch Black.

  84. SwedishPoster says:

    I still believe the real Koskinen is closer to the good koski we’ve seen earlier this season and not the struggling version we’ve seen the last bunch of weeks. It’s not a hill I’m willing to die on but I honestly think he can be a good to great NHL goalie.

  85. Professor Q says:

    hunter1909: Taylor Hall says hello.

    What did the OBC do with him?

    He’s injured right now.

    Again.

    And is on the trade block for the Summer.

  86. knighttown says:

    SwedishPoster,

    He’s the ultimate strengths/weaknesses goalie. His save percentage on breakaways and shootouts (by eye) seems exceptional. But there’s something there with those sharp angle shots. There was another play just a few moments after the Kotkaniemi goal, a weak wrister heading high blocker that was directly in line with the camera angle and Koski JUST got to it. There was so much room it was startling.

    Whatever that is, it needs to be fixed, but yeah I at least see some exceptional qualities unlike Talbot who seems to be average or just below at everything.

  87. Dustylegnd says:

    Professor Q: He’s injured right now.

    Again.

    Hall is a better player injured than Lucic is healthy…Hall = 0 impact while hurt…

  88. Bag of Pucks says:

    russ99:
    Why does our hockey ops team remind me of the Duke brothers in Trading Places?

    Five minutes before the deadline: “get in there and sell!”

    Love that movie. Akroyd eating the fish through his beard is the epitome of ‘bottoming out.’

    That is our Edmonton Oilers. ‘Eating the fuzzy fish since 2007.’

  89. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Cassandra,

    I also don’t understand what de Smith’s agent was thinking.

    De Smith will be 28 this summer and has never had a one way contract.

    His career earnings are ~$850K if I’m eyeballing it right.

    He was offered a guaranteed $3.75MM so he locked it in.

    Smart offer by Rutherford.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    With Copely re-signing for 3 X $1.1M, I’m guessing he’s not coming back in the Talbot for Buarakovsky deal….

  91. ArmchairGM says:

    Tapdog: Do you think we will be picking outside of #10?

    It looks doubtful from where I sit, but picking #10 was the whole premise of my original comment.

  92. Jordan says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Jordan,

    The “a horrible D corps” in 2008-09 consisted of Souray-Visnovaky, Grebeshkov Gilbert, Smid-Staios. Not a bad group IMO.

    That was the best D-corps he played behind, during his 3.5 year tenure (excluding the Cup run – that D corps was sick).. For the middle of that year, Visnovsky was injured, the Smid-Staois couldn’t get the puck out because 9 times out of 10 they tried to ring around the boards. There were some effective defenders, but they couldn’t get the puck out and it created a lot of high danger chances – enough to make any goalie look bad. Especially when the team can’t get the puck up the ice to try and score (which they were also very bad at).

    What I’m trying to say is that a D-corp colours a goaltenders effectiveness. And part of the reason our Goalies look so brown is because we have players like Russell who are produce bad results but bust their butts doing it.

    You can’t play everyone above their established level of play and expect them to succeed. Playing players based on their potential instead of their established level of play is the greatest sin the Oilers organization is guilty of since the time of Glen Sather. Not every player can handle the trial by fire. Some players require careful tempering like a fine Japanese sword. The Oilers organization has been very poor at tempering these talents. Smid might be the poster boy for this ruining of a high-end prospect. The organization is far too happy to look to prospects and believe they will succeed without real cover for them. The salary cap has exascerbated this problem, as the Oilers are always looking for players who could over-perform their contracts. So they pencil in rookies and then go out and overspend on character players to mentor the youths. The team you end up with either kills it with the new players or falls off a cliff because both the rookies don’t come out of the womb fully formed, and the leaders they bring in aren’t capable replacements should the rookies fail.

    This sounds familiar, no?

  93. Dicky94 says:

    Dustylegnd,

    True dat.

  94. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    With Copely re-signing for 3 X $1.1M, I’m guessing he’s not coming back in the Talbot for Buarakovsky deal….

    Curious if Samsonov would be available. I don’t put too much weight on a young player struggling his first season in North America

  95. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Cassandra,

    I also don’t understand what de Smith’s agent was thinking.

    De Smith will be 28 this summer and has never had a one way contract.

    His career earnings are ~$850K if I’m eyeballing it right.

    He was offered a guaranteed $3.75MM so he locked it in.

    Smart offer by Rutherford.

    There’s a lot of competition for goaltending jobs this offseason. There’s going to be some decent goalies that are left without a chair when the music stops playing
    Tying up a goalie after a heater was very unnecessary

  96. SwedishPoster says:

    knighttown:
    SwedishPoster,

    He’s the ultimate strengths/weaknesses goalie.His save percentage on breakaways and shootouts (by eye) seems exceptional.But there’s something there with those sharp angle shots.There was another play just a few moments after the Kotkaniemi goal, a weak wrister heading high blocker that was directly in line with the camera angle and Koski JUST got to it. There was so much room it was startling.

    Whatever that is, it needs to be fixed, but yeah I at least see some exceptional qualities unlike Talbot who seems to be average or just below at everything.

    Yep, as I mentioned post game yesterday, the different angles are the biggest issue for a goalie going from euro to NA ice. Goalies have the toughest time adjusting when changing the ice surface. To me it looks like Koskinen is still struggling with finding the right position when moving towards either post, he either doesn’t hug it tightly enough or he moves to far, past the post. That’s something you didn’t see nearly as much when he played on euro ice and I do think it’s fixable. I think the bigger question marks going forward is his high glove side and his rebound control.
    But the first is at least tricky to find as a shooter and the second can be masked by good D and a battling goalie which he is.

  97. Dicky94 says:

    Seems awfully quiet on the Oiler front today. Thought for sure someone would be recalled. Quietly going to tank it now?

  98. New Improved Darkness says:

    frjohnk:
    But we are not the only team that has man games lost to injuries. Injuries happen, good teams with depth can weather those storms.

    Fundamentally, when you construct a team by winning a generational lottery in a cap era, you end up with a few HUGE eggs surrounded by dross.

    When your small but vital core is healthy all at the same time, then it’s a time of feast; when your small but vital core begins to stack up on LTIR, it’s a time of famine.

    Good teams, almost by definition, are those that go years and years without drafting in the pole position. So of course those teams tend to have fewer huge eggs, surrounded by a much higher caliber of dross (the only way for such a team to acquire an elite talent is nab someone special already skipped over by ten or twenty other GMs, or to have a generational draft year where elite talents pile up by the dozen—or to obtain Taylor Hall for an indefatigable RoboCop with bent gunsights, straight across).

    Basically the variance on the Generational build sucks during the regular season every second year (whenever your core injuries are worse than average).

    On the other side of the coin: if you get lucky in the post season, and your core is firing on all six cylinders at 10,000 RPM, you can crotch rocket to sixteen wins on one smoking tire.

    Of course, if Anaheim is allowed to stretch taut wires across your path at every turn—and nothing is done to punish them—this won’t work out, either.

    So you have to A) make the playoffs in the first place; B) get healthy all at once; C) go on heater; D) in a year where goonhood is out of fashion in the second season.

    Cynical thesis: Goonhood is rarely out of fashion in any postseason where a goon-squad situated in a giant market like Anaheim is viable to go all the way.

    Chia seems to have believed this thesis, based on his team build. So he assembled a team where the HUGE eggs were surrounded by burly dross.

    Unfortunately, he wasn’t much into checking the BB date stamped on the underside of his trench-hardened burlymen. He read the side of the bottle, and if the ingredients list included “may contain spinach smoothies” he just assumed the burlyman had the shelf life Richard the Lionhearted’s Jerusalem hardtack. Hell, if we don’t eat it on this campaign, we’ll eat it down the road.

    Once it gets to the depraved state where the Imperial Guard beating the puck square would constitute a substantial upgrade, you’re one or two broken spokes away from a three-wheeled chuck wagon, where not even a winged Arabian–Clydesdale cross could tow that ornery buggy in a straight line.

    At this point, the only way we’re going to string together ten Ws is to progress sideways—like a crab parking an articulated double chuck (with less than eight good wheels) on Bakery Lane, Paris without a working mirror: WWWWWWWWWW.

    True story: Dave Culter’s summer in London as a delivery boy under similar conditions—in some horrible, worse-than-normal British four-on-the-floor —accounts for much of the development of his incredible “clutch” leg.

    [*] Usually, British pedals are in the same order as American pedals, except when an eccentric American engineer crosses the pond and cobbles something together out of a British junkyard thinking the pedals must also be flipped. But no problem: you can always recruit someone from Biggar, Saskatchewan and tell him it’s supposed to be that way. (Sandra Schmirler also developed an incredible clutch leg, so apparently the Cockkneed Biggar Believer plan wasn’t just a one-time ruse, and that American-made British-junkyard Weretruck in London saw a lot of service.)

  99. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    Dicky94:
    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR,

    I was thinking this the other day. If Chia had just replaced TMac with Hitch and left the roster alone. Would we be sitting in the playoffs today?

    Probably not. I just think a GM with half a brain could have the foresight to see that he was going to have to fit Sekera under the cap in the next 6 weeks or so. Those guys he brought in haven’t even been regulars in the lineup, and he took on salary to bring them in. It’s gonna look really bad when we are trying to flip those guys for less than what we traded away to bring them in, or trading Talbot for less than optimal value because we are desperate to clear cap space to fit Reggie under the cap. It’s just a matter of time until this has to happen.

  100. lenko says:

    Jethro Tull,
    “Putting Chaisson and Russell out after McDavid and Draisaitl and Nurse is doing your absolute best? Sounds like tank warfare.”
    Right! There are tank tracks all over them.

  101. lenko says:

    McSorley33:
    ArmchairGM,

    If we’re picking at #10 again, I think it comes down to whichever of Kaliyev or Byram is available. I know some are going to argue Leftorium and Need, but Byram would be a great addition and may end up being the BPA at #10. I wouldn’t be disappointed if the Oilers snagged him at #10.
    ******************************************************************************************************
    Rattie, Lucic, Rieder….vs

    Klefbobm- Larsson
    Nurse – Bouchard

    Then add in our other D prospects

    I like Byram as much as anyone.

    But the Stench from what we are icing at the Wing position is appalling.

    To suggest the winger position is a team Need – does not do justice to how
    bad we need *fast* scoring wingers.

    McKeens’ on Zegras:

    Hughes is the more creative skater, allowing the viewer to sit back and appreciate. Zegras is more *explosive*. When he takes off, he is gone and the burst ends when he reaches his destination

    Imagine RNHor Drai with speed and skill on the wing.

    I like Benson and Marody but both do not bring speed to the table.

    How’s some of that current speed working out?

  102. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    leadfarmer: There’s a lot of competition for goaltending jobs this offseason.There’s going to be some decent goalies that are left without a chair when the music stops playing
    Tying up a goalie after a heater was very unnecessary

    – Maybe his agent said we are getting offers elsewhere and want certainty or we go open market

    – Maybe Talbot was being a jerk and wasn’t going to help team so signing the other goalie made it more critical for him to accept any move to other teams

    – Maybe they looked at who was available and determined they would prefer certainty over the other options

    – Mayne Koski fits the Oil culture and has character and good locker room presence

    – Maybe he’s played good games with the D healthy and they made a call that with healthy healthy D he is best option

    – Maybe the team is a gong show and the group that agreed to this are really bad.

  103. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: There’s a lot of competition for goaltending jobs this offseason.There’s going to be some decent goalies that are left without a chair when the music stops playing
    Tying up a goalie after a heater was very unnecessary

    There’s nothing wrong with locking in a quality back up at $1.25MM/yr for 3 years.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t believe the Oilers are going to make the playoffs this year but the main reason is because I watch this team each and every game and I know exactly how “not good” they are.

    At the same time, ARI and STL have the same amount of points, COL has one more and VAN had 3 more. Its 50 games in to the season and those teams have essentially put no separation between them and us.

    You know why? Because they suck just as bad as we do. We just think they are better teams because we don’t watch them play each and every night but, if we did, we would realize that, while they suck in different ways than us, we all suck the same amount.

    The Oilers are only a couple of points out and with a break here or there they might just suck a bit less than the a few of the other teams and squeak in. I wouldn’t bet on it but I’m certainly not going to say there is “zero chance” or stop watching or give up the faint hope.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    At this point, I’m not sure that Todd McLellan is/was an inferior option to Ken Hitchcock.

    Hitch gives better media avails – other than that…..

  106. dustrock says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Hard to argue with this.

    “Hooray we suck slightly less than the other teams!” is not my preferred rallying cry, but I’d prefer playoffs to no playoffs, assuming we’re not burning assets to do so.

    *Check back in 1 week when LT has the annual “Never Kept A Dollar Past Sunset” blog about the inevitable trade for James Neal*

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    Is Bear injured on the farm?

    Yes – he left a game last weekend with an ankle issue – I’ve seen/heard no updates. Maybe Stauff will ask Jay W. when he does his weekly spot on Oilers Now this week.

  108. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    At this point, I’m not sure that Todd McLellan is/was an inferior option to Ken Hitchcock.

    Hitch gives better media avails – other than that…..

    McLellan had Klefbom for all of his games. Hitchcock has not. McLellan had a training camp, and a big part in choosing the players who are here. Hitchcock did not.

  109. Rebillled says:

    What’s funny is that the EDMONTON OILERS were CUP FAVOURITES before the season LAST YEAR.

    That team had Eberle, Maroon, Letestu and a healthy Sekera, Klefbom, and the other Lucic and Talbot.

    Now we’re bums?

  110. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    – Maybe his agent said we are getting offers elsewhere and want certainty or we go open market

    Technically they can’t talk to other teams, they’re under contract.

    Even if someone was tampering, the correct answer at that ask is “ok, good luck with that”

    – Maybe Talbot was being a jerk and wasn’t going to help team so signing the other goalie made it more critical for him to accept any move to other teams

    Meh, that’s pretty thin. Talbot saw the writing on the wall, and wants to move on anyhow.

    – Maybe they looked at who was available and determined they would prefer certainty over the other options

    Reasonable. I’m not a fan of the UFA crop vis a vis the prices.

    – Mayne Koski fits the Oil culture and has character and good locker room presence

    Haha!

    – Maybe he’s played good games with the D healthy and they made a call that with healthy healthy D he is best option

    He’s probably the best option between him and Talbot today. Doesn’t mean much though.

    – Maybe the team is a gong show and the group that agreed to this are really bad.

    This, combined with “they prefer him to the UFA options” answer is the most reasonable answer.

    Here’s the top 20 UFA goalies this summer sorted by current cap hit:

    1. Sergei Bobrovsky – Too much $, would never come
    2. Semyon Varlamov – Too much $ and he looks done
    3. Mike Smith – hahahahaha
    4. Jimmy Howard – old, maybe for 1 year
    5. Cam Talbot – We know him
    6. Cam Ward – Never
    7. Brian Elliott – Looks done
    8. Michal Neuvirth – Is done
    9. Anders Nilsson – Maybe as a back up?
    10. Ryan Miller – Probably won’t leave CAL – back up only
    11. Chad Johnson – maybe as a back up? Having poor season
    12. Robin Lehner – Looks great now that he’s got help. Doubt Lou let’s him get to FA unless Lou chases Bob
    13. Petr Mrázek – too eratic
    14. Michael Hutchinson- Probably not a NHLer
    15. Keith Kinkaid – Maybe as a back up
    16. Al Montoya – nope
    17. Peter Budaj – nope
    18. Antti Niemi – maybe as a back up
    19. Curtis McElhinney – great season, older. maybe a one year flier
    20. Calvin Pickard – probably not a NHLer anymore, not sure

    Yeah, its pretty thin out there.

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ve read this “needing to clear $3M” for Sekera to come back but I don’t see that.

    Oilers currently have a cap hit of $80.645M with a roster of 22 players (one short of max).

    When Klefbom gets activated, they will still have a cap hit of 80.645M with a roster of 23.

    When Sekera gets activated, they need to get down to the $79.5M so they need to clear $1.145M.

    Well, someone needs to go in order to make room on the 23 man roster for Sekera. They could waive and send down (assuming he clears) Manning (or Petrovic) which would save $1,050,000 which, unfortunately, means the team would need to make another move to clear the last $100K or so.

    The likely time for this is February 15 as I assume Reggie will head to Bakersfield for next Friday which will allow him to play the max 3 games in the 6 days and, assuming he’s good to go, he’ll be activated for the game against Carolina on February 15.

  112. Ben says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Craig’s on it.

  113. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Rebillled:
    What’s funny is that the EDMONTON OILERS were CUP FAVOURITES before the season LAST YEAR.

    That team had Eberle, Maroon, Letestu and a healthy Sekera, Kefbom, and the other Lucic and Talbot.

    Now we’re bums?

    They traded Eberle in the summer, Sekera was hurt in the spring and they were still considered Cup favourites.

    It speaks more to who considered them Cup favourites than anything else.

    Many of us panned that at the time: https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/874322497851637760

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: Talbot
    Kassian
    Reider
    Russell

    Teams also like to add D Depth before playoffs.Manning. Petro. Russell. SELL SELL SELL

    The only one of those players that is a pending UFA is Talbot. Rieder could be seen as one as the acquiring team could simply not tender a QO and he becomes a UFA – no commitment.

    Generally teams looking to beef up or fill a hole at the deadline are not looking for contracts with term – they are more expensive as far as acquisition cost (generally).

    With that said, Kassian is a fairly small commitment for next year and he has been playing “well”.

    Russell with two more years at $4M is a tough trade any time let alone at the deadline.

  115. Dee Dee says:

    godot10: OriginalPouzar:
    At this point, I’m not sure that Todd McLellan is/was an inferior option to Ken Hitchcock.

    Hitch gives better media avails – other than that…..

    McLellan had Klefbom for all of his games. Hitchcock has not. McLellan had a training camp, and a big part in choosing the players who are here. Hitchcock did not.

    When I was taught how to troubleshoot and fix stuff one of the first lessons was to not keep replacing the same part over and over again. If Part A is replaced 10 times and the thing is still broken the problem is probably in another part that hasn’t been touched from the beginning.

    The Oiler way is to Fire the defective part and then give it a job in upper management, it’s some weird extension of the Peter Principle.

  116. Lowetide says:

    dustrock:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Hard to argue with this.

    “Hooray we suck slightly less than the other teams!” is not my preferred rallying cry, but I’d prefer playoffs to no playoffs, assuming we’re not burning assets to do so.

    *Check back in 1 week when LT has the annual “Never Kept A Dollar Past Sunset” blog about the inevitable trade for James Neal*

    This made me laugh, because I do in fact have the beginnings of the ‘Never Kept A Dollar Past Sunset” post underway!

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    Since the turn of the calendar, Lucic has 6 points, all primary points with 4 goals and 2 primary assists. They are all at 5 on 5 except for one goal on the PP.

    He is a 1.94 P/60 and 1.94 P1/60.

    Yes, I know, lots of giveaways, slow boots, terrible passes, etc., however, since the turn of the calendar he’s the 4th most productive forward. Sure, the pass on McDavid’s goal on Sat wasn’t “the best” and yesterday we was just hit with the puck (but he was in the right spot and not standing off to the side like he had been earlier in the year).

    Anyways, I’m interested to see how he produces in February. He’s and Oiler and he’s almost assuredly going to be an Oiler for a bit.

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: Curious if Samsonov would be available.I don’t put too much weight on a young player struggling his first season in North America

    Maybe but certainly not as a throw-in to the rent Talbot (plus a Lagesson level prospect) deadline deal.

    I would think this re-signing likely signals they aren’t looking to provide some external cover for Holtby like I thought they might be.

  119. dustrock says:

    Lowetide: This made me laugh, because I do in fact have the beginnings of the ‘Never Kept A Dollar Past Sunset” post underway!

    ha ha ha

    *checks calendar, posts Robert Redford nodding gif*

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dicky94:
    Seems awfully quiet on the Oiler front today. Thought for sure someone would be recalled. Quietly going to tank it now?

    If Klefbom is activated, they will be a 23 man roster.

  121. Alpine says:

    Again, signing Koskinen isn’t the issue. I would have looked to extend him too. The thing is, the guy hasn’t done much to earn a starter’s contract because he’s not played that many games and his workload up until this point has been that of a tandem goaltender not 55-60 game guy.

    So that presents an opportunity for the Oilers to get him on a reasonable deal. And it’s prudent for them to do that in their cap situation, because with Talbot leaving they likely need space to get an above average backup or 1B goalie to offset Koskinen’s NHL inexperience.

    The contract might not be a problem but it’s still above market value. Raantta isn’t market value because he had a .930 last year in as slightly less games as Kosk will likely get to this season. Plus numerous good backup seasons.

    Darling isn’t market value as it was a huge overpay because he hadn’t proven he was more than a backup. So that shouldn’t be a comaparable the Oilers to consider.

    Market value was somewhere between Greiss’s contract and Halak’s most recent deal. Bernier got 3×3 for ~40 GP seasons with mediocre numbers. Those are tandem goaltenders at a glance, starters at best, backups at worst. That’s Koskinen’s current and likely future territory. How many times did he play more than 40 games in the KHL + Intl tourneys?

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Maybe his agent said we are getting offers elsewhere and want certainty or we go open market

    – Maybe Talbot was being a jerk and wasn’t going to help team so signing the other goalie made it more critical for him to accept any move to other teams

    – Maybe they looked at who was available and determined they would prefer certainty over the other options

    – Mayne Koski fits the Oil culture and has character and good locker room presence

    – Maybe he’s played good games with the D healthy and they made a call that with healthy healthy D he is best option

    – Maybe the team is a gong show and the group that agreed to this are really bad.

    Well, if its the first one, I would think the league should be advised of the tampering.

    I think it was based on the “good games with a healthy D” – the contract is a pretty risky bet based off of 7 games a few months ago.

    Seriously, I really can’t see any justification for this contract. I almost always can find some sort of justification for a coaching decision or a management move and try and look for the same and give the coach/manager the benefit of the doubt but I really really can’t with this one. Its egregious.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: McLellan had Klefbom for all of his games.Hitchcock has not.McLellan had a training camp, and a big part in choosing the players who are here.Hitchcock did not.

    I base my statement on much more than the record with each coach.

    The second part of your post re: choosing players is something you continue to state as fact when it is simply your opinion/assumption and very possibly not true. Not to mention, there are players on the team now at the express request of the coach – one born in 98 – seems the current coach is choosing some players.

  124. tileguy says:

    My Wish
    We get rid of Talbot and use his cap space to aquire Kreider from the Rangers. Sorry to see you go Jesse.
    We make the playoffs and face Calgary with the gritensity of Lucic(revived) Kassian, Larson, Nurse, Jujhar and even Chiason, Brodziak and Draisaitl know how to give a good facewash.
    We would be a dam heavy and hard team to play agaist. ** Sekera and Miko return to form**
    The Chiarelli dream lives!

  125. Lowetide says:


    Verified account

    @EdmontonOilers
    36s36 seconds ago
    More
    The #Oilers have sent defenceman Andrej Sekera to the @Condors for a conditioning assignment.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sekera has been assigned to Bakersfield for a conditioning assignment.

    Given the max is 6 days, I truly hope that starts when their first game is played since the Condors don’t play until Friday.

    Friday, Sat, Wed would be the max 3 games in the max of 6 days (subject to the ability to apply to the league for a 2 game extension).

  127. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide:

    Verified account

    @EdmontonOilers36s36 seconds ago
    More
    The #Oilers have sent defenceman Andrej Sekera to the @Condors to get his other achilles fucked up.

  128. Craig Zonit says:

    Ben:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Craig’s on it.

    Is he ever!

  129. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Yeah I don’t get this narrative at all, either.

    Last week on the Lowdown Frank Seravalli was saying something along the lines of having to trade Talbot to make cap space to fit Sekera back. I texted in asking if Frank’s been taking lessons in Rishaug math with that point of view, considering they can waive either of Manning or Petrovic and be compliant. LT read it on air, and replied that the situation looks to be more complicated than that, but I have yet to hear any sort of answer that makes sense. At least, based on what I’ve read from CapFriendly and your posts on the subject.

  130. russ99 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Love that movie. Akroyd eating the fish through his beard is the epitome of ‘bottoming out.’

    That is our Edmonton Oilers. ‘Eating the fuzzy fish since 2007.’

    Lol! Not sure if the Oilers have hit their “Ackroyd fuzzy fish” nadir yet.

  131. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    But how many teams need a goalie
    Florida probably gets Bobrovsky
    Rags – internal solutions
    Avs – probably Grubauer Francouz
    Blue Jackets going with Korpisalo
    Sharks made their bed

    So Detroit but Howard enters market
    And Blues and Panthers are bidding against each other
    Doesn’t have to be many options when there’s only a few people bidding.
    And there’s young goalies from KHL like Sorokin and Shestyorkin that will need jobs

  132. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Sekera has been assigned to Bakersfield for a conditioning assignment.

    Given the max is 6 days, I truly hope that starts when their first game is played since the Condors don’t play until Friday.

    Friday, Sat, Wed would be the max 3 games in the max of 6 days (subject to the ability to apply to the league for a 2 game extension).

    I believe the maximum is actually 14 days. There were a lot of conditioning stints in this season’s October and November and that’s what they were all reported as. Even though Twitter is reporting the 6 day thing, also. Maybe the League changed rules on January 1st?

    13.8 Conditioning Loan.

    Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a Conditioning Loan.

    If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade Waivers, or otherwise Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action against the Club, as he deems appropriate.

    The Player shall continue, during the period of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club.

    He’s good for time (hopefully medically, also).

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    It’s Beanpot time and McPhee and Dudek assist on the 1-0 goal.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q: I believe the maximum is actually 14 days. There were a lot of conditioning stints in this season’s October and November and that’s what they were all reported as. Even though Twitter is reporting the 6 day thing, also. Maybe the League changed rules on January 1st?

    He’s good for time (hopefully medically, also).

    There is a special section for LTIR players.

    The regular 14 day window would require activation, cap compliance and a roster spot.

    Check 13.9 of the CBA.

  135. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar: There is a special section for LTIR players.

    The regular 14 day window would require activation, cap compliance and a roster spot.

    Check 13.9 of the CBA.

    https://twitter.com/CondorsHolty/status/1092551904414990336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1092551904414990336&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportsnet.ca%2Fhockey%2Fnhl%2Foilers-send-andrej-sekera-ahl-conditioning-assignment%2F

    Not sure on the exact ins and outs, but this tweet from the Condors seems to imply that the 6 days doesn’t activate until the first game he plays. Or at least that’s what I’m taking from it… We wait.

  136. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar: There is a special section for LTIR players.

    The regular 14 day window would require activation, cap compliance and a roster spot.

    Check 13.9 of the CBA.

    I just read that! How strange. Why give an injured player coming back less time to condition themselves than another regular player? And is it never to occur during the first 14 days of the season, or first 14 days of LTIR? They don’t specify.

  137. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ArmchairGM:
    If we’re picking at #10 again, I think it comes down to whichever of Kaliyev or Byram is available. I know some are going to argue Leftorium and Need, but Byram would be a great addition and may end up being the BPA at #10. I wouldn’t be disappointed if the Oilers snagged him at #10.

    After the top 3-5 depending on the year ( or the obvious elite players) nobody really knows the BPA.

    That is why often the best player in the draft turns out of the later part of the top10.

    In the top 3 teams are kinda stuck because there is consensus unless they trade down or out.

    Yak’s year was thin and the Oilers paid the price in a bust. Murray has not faired much better.

    To me a team with a clear head and great scouts would have traded for assets and kept a later pick. I liked Galchenyuk and he’s bad too.

    The farther down you draft the more BPA for org needs IMO

  138. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Oddspell:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Gotta be honest, I trust the verbal from the front office so little that I don’t even believe this.

    Not that I believe it was a Chiarelli alone move, but it wouldn’t be surprising to find this was their way of covering for the fact that the Chia firing was actually a last minute decision. That or that they were letting a GM who they had decided to let go make deals with full authority up until period 2 of the game against Detroit.

    I just assume anything they say is a cover for something much more damning.

    In a position as critical as GM, if there is anything more than hint of doubt why in the world wouldn’t you make a move?

    Travelling today I caught some sports radio about the Super Bowl and how Belichick doesn’t fall in love with his players.

    This is dynamic is killing the Oilers. But more like a dysfunctional love hate relationship. You can still like people and fire them into the sun for sucking at their job.

  139. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I don’t believe the Oilers are going to make the playoffs this year but the main reason is because I watch this team each and every game and I know exactly how “not good” they are.

    At the same time, ARI and STL have the same amount of points, COL has one more and VAN had 3 more.Its 50 games in to the season and those teams have essentially put no separation between them and us.

    You know why?Because they suck just as bad as we do. We just think they are better teams because we don’t watch them play each and every night but, if we did, we would realize that, while they suck in different ways than us, we all suck the same amount.

    The Oilers are only a couple of points out and with a break here or there they might just suck a bit less than the a few of the other teams and squeak in. I wouldn’t bet on it but I’m certainly not going to say there is “zero chance” or stop watching or give up the faint hope.

    I think the Oilers are actually worse than those teams because having a generational talent like McDavid helps to paper over massive roster deficiencies. If McDavid was out with injury, you’d see how bad they truly are.

    The silver lining is they’ve got the 3 pieces that are the hardest to get with McDavid, Draisaitl, and possibly Bouchard. But beyond that it’s largely cap hell and question marks.

  140. godot10 says:

    Professor Q: I just read that! How strange. Why give an injured player coming back less time to condition themselves than another regular player? And is it never to occur during the first 14 days of the season, or first 14 days of LTIR? They don’t specify.

    It is not a “conditioning stint” that Sekera is on. It is a “evaluation of whether a player on LTIR is actually ready to return off of LTIF”. An actual two week conditioning stint could follow this once Sekera is activated to the roster.

    Sekera is NOT on a “conditioning stint”. He is on an Section 13.9 evaluation of readiness to come of of LTIR.

  141. Professor Q says:

    godot10: It is not a “conditioning stint” that Sekera is on.It is a “evaluation of whether a player on LTIR is actually ready to return off of LTIF”. An actual two week conditioning stint could follow this once Sekera is activated to the roster.

    Sekera is NOT on a “conditioning stint”.He is on an Section 13.9 evaluation of readiness to come of of LTIR.

    It’s actually a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan, in the literal sense as spelled out directly from the CBA, so you are both incorrect (imprecise with the pedanticness) and correct (13.9 can be used, and then 13.8 can be used if deemed fit to play and/or needed), while also being sort of dinkish.

    I did prefer how Original Pouzar handled this, indeed. I learn a lot from our discourse.

  142. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    But how many teams need a goalie
    Florida probably gets Bobrovsky
    Rags – internal solutions
    Avs – probably Grubauer Francouz
    Blue Jackets going with Korpisalo
    Sharks made their bed

    So Detroit but Howard enters market
    And Blues and Panthers are bidding against each other
    Doesn’t have to be many options when there’s only a few people bidding.
    And there’s young goalies from KHL like Sorokin and Shestyorkin that will need jobs

    I have no idea what you are arguing

  143. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Your saying the list of available goalies is thin
    But the need for expensive goalies is even thinner

  144. Bag of Pucks says:

    Scungilli Slushy: In a position as critical as GM, if there is anything more than hint of doubt why in the world wouldn’t you make a move?

    Travelling today I caught some sports radio about the Super Bowl and how Belichick doesn’t fall in love with his players.

    This is dynamic is killing the Oilers. But more like a dysfunctional love hate relationship. You can still like people and fire them into the sun for sucking at their job.

    There ‘s no excuse for a team being consistently lousy AND having a bunch of players on long term luxury deals.

    They need to start embracing the flexibility of bridge contracts and start using the poor performance of the team as leverage in individual contract negotiations.

    From the Austins to Koskinen, overpaying for potential in dollars AND term is a major failing of this organization. It’s almost like they start the negotiations from the pov of, ‘how can we make this asset untradeable?’

  145. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Your saying the list of available goalies is thin
    But the need for expensive goalies is even thinner

    Yes.

    So which of my points are you refuting?

    1) Koskinen got too much for too long

    or

    2) DeSmith getting 1.5 x 3 is a great contract for PIT

  146. Buddy says:

    I like to think of the Oilers as an expansion team for next year, it helps to clarify one’s thinking.

    They somehow got a team in Edmonton, no one really knows how, though it was rumoured to involve numbered Swiss bank accounts and a billion dollars of laundered government money. For this price they did also get Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl.

    However, they also came into the league under the little-used Sam Pollock category of expansion, in which rather than getting to pick one player from every other team, those teams were instead allowed to give the Oilers one contract of their own choice. Not even necessarily an actual NHL player, it just had to be a contract attached to a warm body. Hence the current roster.

    But two clubs, let’s say Columbus and Florida, got confused about the rules and so the Oilers also ended up with Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, and with two years of Adam Larsson and RNH.

    And here they are, set to start playing in October, they have all of their ticket sales staff and bar staff and restaurant menus ready to go, but only have a handful of people, if that, hired on their hockey operations side who have any experience or ability.

    As far as we know, no efforts are currently being made to fill any of those positions, but the owner does have his drinking buddies on the phones right now, trying to swing some bold trades.

  147. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Yes.

    So which of my points are you refuting?

    1) Koskinen got too much for too long

    or

    2) DeSmith getting 1.5 x 3 is a great contract for PIT

    Koskinen got way too much for way too long.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    It’s Beanpot time and McPhee and Dudek assist on the 1-0 goal.

    John Marino with an assist on the tying goal for Harvard.

    3rd period.

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy:
    My Wish
    Weget rid of Talbot and use his cap space to aquire Kreider from the Rangers. Sorry to see you go Jesse.
    We make the playoffs and face Calgary with the gritensity of Lucic(revived) Kassian, Larson, Nurse, Jujhar and even Chiason, Brodziak and Draisaitl know how to give a good facewash.We would be a dam heavy and hard team to play agaist. ** Sekera and Miko return to form**
    The Chiarelli dream lives!

    What does “return to form” mean for Mikko?

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Yeah I don’t get this narrative at all, either.

    Last week on the Lowdown Frank Seravalli was saying something along the lines of having to trade Talbot to make cap space to fit Sekera back.I texted in asking if Frank’s been taking lessons in Rishaug math with that point of view, considering they can waive either of Manning or Petrovic and be compliant.LT read it on air, and replied that the situation looks to be more complicated than that, but have yet to hear any sort of answer that makes sense.At least, based on what I’ve read from CapFriendly and your posts on the subject.

    I need to do some extra research here about the $1.2M they need to clear.

    I need to figure out if the needi=to clear apx $1.2M of cap hit means (a) they need to clear a player or player(s) with AAV’s (full year cap hits) of $1.2M or (b) player(s) that have a pro rated $1.2M (i.e. closer to $3M in yearly cap hit)?

    If its the latter then this will be more difficult.

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q: I just read that! How strange. Why give an injured player coming back less time to condition themselves than another regular player? And is it never to occur during the first 14 days of the season, or first 14 days of LTIR? They don’t specify.

    Its a shorter time period because (a) its supposed to be used to determine “fit to play” and (b) while being used, the player is not activated so the LTIR cushion stays in place and the player does not take up a roster spot.

    If the player is fit to play and it going for “real conditioning” then they need to be activated and Section 13.8 used (but the LTIR cushion will be gone).

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks: I think the Oilers are actually worse than those teams because having a generational talent like McDavid helps to paper over massive roster deficiencies. If McDavid was out with injury, you’d see how bad they truly are.

    That argument never rings true to me. Fact is McDavid is on the team – ya, they would suck worse without him but that simply isn’t the case right now.

    Use the same argument for ANA and John Gibson – for the first two months of the season, he was essentially the only reason they were in any game. Without Gibson, they’d be in 31st place for sure. Fact is, they have Gibson just like the Oilers have McDavid.

    Equal levels of such, different reasons.

  153. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar: I need to do some extra research here about the $1.2M they need to clear.

    I need to figure out if the needi=to clear apx $1.2M of cap hitmeans (a) they need to clear a player or player(s) with AAV’s (full year cap hits) of $1.2M or (b) player(s) that have a pro rated $1.2M (i.e. closer to $3M in yearly cap hit)?

    If its the latter then this will be more difficult.

    Puckpedia says its the former: “They need to clear $1.2M in AAV. It’s the current roster annual cap hit that they’ll be tightest on.”

  154. tileguy says:

    OriginalPouzar: What does “return to form” mean for Mikko?

    Becomes a real good goalie.

  155. hunter1909 says:

    Buddy:
    I like to think of the Oilers as an expansion team for next year, it helps to clarify one’s thinking.

    They somehow got a team in Edmonton, no one really knows how, though it was rumoured to involve numbered Swiss bank accounts and a billion dollars of laundered government money. For this price they did also get Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl.

    However, they also came into the league under the little-used Sam Pollock category of expansion, in which rather than getting to pick one player from every other team, those teams were instead allowed to give the Oilers one contract of their own choice. Not even necessarily an actual NHL player, it just had to be a contract attached to a warm body. Hence the current roster.

    But two clubs, let’s say Columbus and Florida, got confused about the rules and so the Oilers also ended up with Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, and with two years of Adam Larsson and RNH.

    And here they are, set to start playing in October, they have all of their ticket sales staff and bar staff and restaurant menus ready to go, but only have a handful of people, if that, hired on their hockey operations side who have any experience or ability.

    As far as we know, no efforts are currently being made to fill any of those positions, but the owner does have his drinking buddies on the phones right now, trying to swing some bold trades.

    Interesting take.

    I prefer to think of the Oilers as a team that’s never going to be any good in my lifetime. A team so ineptly run that it’s philosophically impossible to believe otherwise. Bob Nicholson’s finally opening his mouth(notice how Howson never speaks, Lowe never speaks); they just sit quietly in the shadows pulling strings and drinking wine by the bucketload.

  156. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The contract for Roli, I mean Koskinen, could potentially prove to be one of the worse moves by the previous management group (if it was the previous management group) unless Koskinen can somehow get back to playing even close to how he was during his heater.He has not been good at all for the majority of his time and that is a major concern.

    Here is hoping that an improved defence over the last 30 games (Klefbom, Sekera – everyone bumps down a notch or two) and over the next few years helps him improve his game.

    If not……

    Totally stunned at how that contract was allowed to happen. Very hard for me to be a fan of a team that allows something so stupid to happen.

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy: Becomes a real good goalie.

    In the NHL? That form has been seen for a grand total of 7 games. He’s had more “form” in the NHL that is not indicative of a real good goalie.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    Assuing noone else on IR and needing a replacement in the interim, the Oilers will need to shed $1.2M in cap hit (that’s a yearly cap hit of $1.2M – not the pro-rated portion as some have thought – which is good).

    That won’t be that hard to do but unfortunately, burying one player like Manning or Petrovic in the AHL isn’t enough b/c that only shaves $1,050,000 leaving the team apx $150K over and needing another move.

    Not having the damn Gryba buyout would solve the problem.

    We’ll see what management does in 11 days (subject to the 2-game extension or him not being ready to be activated).

  159. tileguy says:

    OriginalPouzar: In the NHL? That form has been seen for a grand total of 7 games.He’s had more “form” in the NHL that is not indicative of a real good goalie.

    Ok, ok, you win. I will go and edit my comment to read “if Miko can become a real,good goalie suddenly” It was all just a wish to see our team as a playoff competitor through gritensity. You know, beat Calgary up in the trenches.

    My Wish
    We get rid of Talbot and use his cap space to aquire Kreider from the Rangers. Sorry to see you go Jesse.
    We make the playoffs and face Calgary with the gritensity of Lucic(revived) Kassian, Larson, Nurse, Jujhar and even Chiason, Brodziak and Draisaitl know how to give a good facewash.
    We would be a dam heavy and hard team to play agaist. ** Sekera and Miko return to form**
    The Chiarelli dream lives!

  160. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    So a demotion of Manning or Petrovic to the minors for depth, and a paper transaction of Rattie/Jesse/Cave to get compliant? Would mean playing Malone a game or few, but could be doable as the heavy lifters come back to populate the d-line.

    Or did I parse that incorrectly?

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    No,no – no need to edit anything – just having a conversation.

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    So a demotion of Manning or Petrovic to the minors for depth, and a paper transaction of Rattie/Jesse/Cave to get compliant?Would mean playing Malone a game or few, but could be doable as the heavy lifters come back to populate the d-line.

    Or did I parse that incorrectly?

    Yes, that would work but it wouldn’t be a “paper transaction” it would be an actual re-assignment.

    If they were going to to that, they could just re-assign Malone (in addition to Petrovic or Manning) which is something they might just do and run with a 22 man roster.

  163. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    So, you mean the suggestions in the Oilerogosphere to buy out all the players is not the solution?

    I’m shocked. Verily so.

  164. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Fair… although I had meant “paper transaction” in the fashion of Rattie’s last demotion, where he never actually went anywhere (and, say, Spooner did).

    While I don’t have a visceral dislike for Malone the way you do — I’d actually like to see him get his cuppa-Joe, seeing as how Cave has done exactly the same or less — it might make more sense to just send him down with the defenseman selected for cap and roster management purposes.

  165. Pescador says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    So a demotion of Manning or Petrovic to the minors for depth, and a paper transaction of Rattie/Jesse/Cave to get compliant?Would mean playing Malone a game or few, but could be doable as the heavy lifters come back to populate the d-line.

    Or did I parse that incorrectly?

    Fire the mall
    Onto waivers

  166. Pescador says:

    Rebillled:
    What’s funny is that the EDMONTON OILERS were CUP FAVOURITES before the season LAST YEAR.

    That team had Eberle, Maroon, Letestu and a healthy Sekera, Klefbom, and the other Lucic and Talbot.

    Now we’re bums?

    Technically we’re clowns
    I wish we were bums

  167. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Professor Q,

    But… we did manage to deploy some very competitive teams in the OEG era before the salary cap with 1/3-1/2 the budget of the big teams. Perhaps this is the financial stricture the team needs to survive — even thrive. An internal cap. Almost as if we’re self-flagellating to atone to the rest of the league for our Connor-privilege.

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Fair… although I had meant “paper transaction” in the fashion of Rattie’s last demotion, where he never actually went anywhere (and, say, Spooner did).

    While I don’t have a visceral dislike for Malone the way you do — I’d actually like to see him get his cuppa-Joe, seeing as how Cave has done exactly the same or less — it might make more sense to just send him down with the defenseman selected for cap and roster management purposes.

    Rattie wasn’t demoted though – he was simply exposed on waivers and, when he clear, the team had (and still has) the option to send him down – they just never did. There was no transaction, paper or otherwise (except for waivers – but no assignment).

    In order to get rid of the cap hit, the player would actually need to be assigned.

    I don’t actually have a “hate” for Brad Malone – I just don’t think he’s a legit option for an lineup spot on a team that is going to “contend”. He is a 30 year old (or close) career minor leaguer and, last year, in his 7 games, he did more harm than good, taking multiple minor penalties.

    I kept using him as an example of why the team needed to sign/acquire a couple depth forwards, to put a few bodies between injuries and a Malone recall.

    I didn’t mind his game on Saturday and, yes, he did more positive things than I can remember Cave doing in his 4-5 games.

  169. jp says:

    Alpine:

    Those are tandem goaltenders at a glance, starters at best, backups at worst. That’s Koskinen’s current and likely future territory. How many times did he play more than 40 games in the KHL + Intl tourneys?

    Koskinen games by year (regular season + playoff + intl)
    12-13 – 54 games (still in Finland at that point)
    13-14 – 59 games
    14-15 – 72 games
    15-16 – 68 games
    16-17 – 42 games
    17-18 – 54 games

  170. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    That bit about the assignment was crucial, thanks for clarifying OP. The MSM usually can’t be bothered to explain such details, perhaps retained as easy fodder for future articles on slow news days, so I appreciate the painstaking approach you take in real time.

    RE: Malone, I’m just busting your balls a bit… you’re both right and a bit heavy handed (IMO) with your approach. From my recollection of last year, he was on the wrong side of a couple/few 50:50 plays… wrong place/wrong time. The rest of the time he was a solid ‘meh.’ You’re completely right about his NHL window slamming shut… his time is now. I figure he’s got one more chance before it’s time to move on. Also correct in your assertion that it behooves the team (then and now) to find legitimate players to fill roster spots who are more than AHL journeymen in the event of a call up, for both depth and development purposes. See: Aberg, Pontus for a cogent and recent example. Young skill players need to play with skill to develop to their full potential. If the bubble player in question doesn’t like his role, he can sign elsewhere next year.

  171. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar: John Marino with an assist on the tying goal for Harvard.

    3rd period.

    Corey Pronman

    Verified account

    @coreypronman
    Following Following @coreypronman
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    Highlight reel rush and assist from John Marino (EDM).

  172. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Assuing noone else on IR and needing a replacement in the interim, the Oilers will need to shed $1.2M in cap hit (that’s a yearly cap hit of $1.2M – not the pro-rated portion as some have thought – which is good).

    That won’t be that hard to do but unfortunately, burying one player like Manning or Petrovic in the AHL isn’t enough b/c that only shaves $1,050,000 leaving the team apx $150K over and needing another move.

    Not having the damn Gryba buyout would solve the problem.

    We’ll see what management does in 11 days (subject to the 2-game extension or him not being ready to be activated).

    If Klefbom and Sekera are activated that’s 9 D (assuming health elsewhere). Cap aside at least one needs to go.

    It seems obvious Petrovic was acquired with the option of moving him to re-coup the pick. I imagine he (or Benning) are flipped for picks if Talbot isn’t moved in time for Sekera’s activation (and 1 or 2 D are surely on the move regardless of Talbot).

  173. HT Joe says:

    Pescador: Technically we’re clowns
    I wish we were bums

    *puts down copy of Stephen King’s It*
    I wish the Oilers were clowns… clowns are terrifying.

  174. Glovjuice says:

    New Improved Darkness: Fundamentally, when you construct a team by winning a generational lottery in a cap era, you end up with a few HUGE eggs surrounded by dross.

    When your small but vital core is healthy all at the same time, then it’s a time of feast; when your small but vital core begins to stack up on LTIR, it’s a time of famine.

    Good teams, almost by definition, are those that go years and years without drafting in the pole position. So of course those teams tend to have fewer huge eggs, surrounded by a much higher caliber of dross (the only way for such a team to acquire an elite talent is nab someone special already skipped over by ten or twenty other GMs, or to have a generational draft year where elite talents pile up by the dozen—or to obtain Taylor Hall for an indefatigable RoboCop with bent gunsights, straight across).

    Basically the variance on the Generational build sucks during the regular season every second year (whenever your core injuries are worse than average).

    On the other side of the coin: if you get lucky in the post season, and your core is firing on all six cylinders at 10,000 RPM, you can crotch rocket to sixteen wins on one smoking tire.

    Of course, if Anaheim is allowed to stretch taut wires across your path at every turn—and nothing is done to punish them—this won’t work out, either.

    So you have to A) make the playoffs in the first place; B) get healthy all at once; C) go on heater; D) in a year where goonhood is out of fashion in the second season.

    Cynical thesis: Goonhood is rarely out of fashion in any postseason where a goon-squad situated in a giant market like Anaheim is viable to go all the way.

    Chia seems to have believed this thesis, based on his team build. So he assembled a team where the HUGE eggs were surrounded by burly dross.

    Unfortunately, he wasn’t much into checking the BB date stamped on the underside of his trench-hardened burlymen. He read the side of the bottle, and if the ingredients list included “may contain spinach smoothies” he just assumed the burlyman had the shelf life Richard the Lionhearted’s Jerusalem hardtack. Hell, if we don’t eat it on this campaign, we’ll eat it down the road.

    Once it gets to the depraved state where the Imperial Guard beating the puck square would constitute a substantial upgrade, you’re one or two broken spokes away from a three-wheeled chuck wagon, where not even a winged Arabian–Clydesdale cross could tow that ornery buggy in a straight line.

    At this point, the only way we’re going to string together ten Ws is to progress sideways—like a crab parking an articulated double chuck (with less than eight good wheels) on Bakery Lane, Paris without a working mirror: WWWWWWWWWW.

    True story: Dave Culter’s summer in London as a delivery boy under similar conditions—in some horrible, worse-than-normal British four-on-the-floor —accounts for much of the development of his incredible “clutch” leg.

    [*] Usually, British pedals are in the same order as American pedals, except when an eccentric American engineer crosses the pond and cobbles something together out of a British junkyard thinking the pedals must also be flipped. But no problem: you can always recruit someone from Biggar, Saskatchewan and tell him it’s supposed to be that way. (Sandra Schmirler also developed an incredible clutch leg, so apparently the Cockkneed Biggar Believer plan wasn’t just a one-time ruse, and that American-made British-junkyard Weretruck in London saw a lot of service.)

    This is stunningly brilliant, NID. So good…

  175. JimmyV1965 says:

    Rebillled:
    What’s funny is that the EDMONTON OILERS were CUP FAVOURITES before the season LAST YEAR.

    That team had Eberle, Maroon, Letestu and a healthy Sekera, Klefbom, and the other Lucic and Talbot.

    Now we’re bums?

    I still think we’re close to icing a really good team. We already have the most difficult pieces to acquire, a bonafide superstar, a top 15 centre, a top 40 centre and some nice pieces on defence. If we can add a legit 30-goal winger this team might improve dramatically. Drai was making plays all over the place this weekend. If he had a winger remotely capable of scoring, it might be the difference between two points and four points.

    Our defence isn’t world class, but with a young core of Klef, Nurse and Larsson, I can see it getting better. They’ll be backed up by a tremendous group of prospects. In fact, we have so many prospects I find it highly unlikely that we don’t get at least two valuable pieces from the group. I guess the one thing we’re missing is a Gio type dman who floats all boats. Hell, maybe we do have that guy. Gio didn’t become Gio until he was 26 years old.

    If we shed some cap, get rid of dead weight throughout the lineup, acquire a legit winger, and don’t do anything to piss it away, we can become good team really quick.

  176. Dicky94 says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Would you trade this years first in a Stone trade?

  177. Pescador says:

    HT Joe: *puts down copy of Stephen King’s It*
    I wish the Oilers were clowns… clowns are terrifying.

    *opens up copy of Stephen Hawkings ‘The Grand Design’*
    McDavid is Orion
    Chiarelli was a Blackhole
    Katz is a twat

  178. JimmyV1965 says:

    Dicky94:
    JimmyV1965,

    Would you trade this years first in a Stone trade?

    It depends where we draft and how much money he wants. I’m not sure where I heard this from, but I think he wants $9 mill. That’s a big ask. I would prefer someone younger with term left on their contract. But Stone is a damn good player and would have a dramatic impact on this team.

  179. Alpine says:

    jp: Koskinen games by year (regular season + playoff + intl)
    12-13 – 54 games (still in Finland at that point)
    13-14 – 59 games
    14-15 – 72 games
    15-16 – 68 games
    16-17 – 42 games
    17-18 – 54 games

    Sorry, should have specified KHL regular season games. Should have also upped my criteria to 50 games as that’s generally bare minimum for a designated starter and not a “tandem” goalie. I know players play mid season International games so I was thinking those better simulate a small part of an NHL workload but not the WC because the WC comes after a nice break after European playoffs end.

    If Koskinen was a true starter on a playoff NHL team we’re looking at 50-60 regular season games plus 5-10 playoff games on average. A 55-70 GP range but potentially more. He has three Euro seasons that met that range. Two more came close but I wonder if the WC games are what a get it close.

    KHL regular seasons are shorter so I guess you wonder how he can handle full NHL seasons plus potentially playoffs. I don’t think he can’t do it but the NHL is definitely a different animal.

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: I still think we’re close to icing a really good team. We already have the most difficult pieces to acquire, a bonafide superstar, a top 15 centre, a top 40 centre and some nice pieces on defence. If we can add a legit 30-goal winger this team might improve dramatically. Drai was making plays all over the place this weekend. If he had a winger remotely capable of scoring, it might be the difference between two points and four points.

    Our defence isn’t world class, but with a young core of Klef, Nurse and Larsson, I can see it getting better. They’ll be backed up by a tremendous group of prospects. In fact, we have so many prospects I find it highly unlikely that we don’t get at least two valuable pieces from the group. I guess the one thing we’re missing is a Gio type dman who floats all boats. Hell, maybe we do have that guy. Gio didn’t become Gio until he was 26 years old.

    If we shed some cap, get rid of dead weight throughout the lineup, acquire a legit winger, and don’t do anything to piss it away, we can become good team really quick.

    Yes, I agree with most of this post although I think you and I do disagree on the path towards filling the holes. I think you are in favor of more aggressive shedding of contracts to open up cap space (i.e. buyouts, paying to get rid of contracts, etc.) whereas I am willing to be more patient and have contracts run their course over the next 1-2 years (of course, management needs to try and move some dead cap out but I don’t want it forced – no buyouts, no bleeding of anything more material than a mid-round pick or B- level prospect).

  181. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dicky94:
    JimmyV1965,

    Would you trade this years first in a Stone trade?

    Nope – even if this team was currently in a wild card spot I wouldn’t be in favor of trading the 1st rounder for a rental and that’s exactly what Stone would be.

    This team doesn’t have anywhere near $10M to sign this player so he’d be a pure rental. The asset bleed and future cap implications of trying to open up the cap space to re-sign him would be egregious.

    I also think the play is a bit over-rated and, while, very good, am not interested in paying him $10M for his early 30s.

  182. OriginalPouzar says:

    Alpine: Sorry, should have specified KHL regular season games. Should have also upped my criteria to 50 games as that’s generally bare minimum for a designated starter and not a “tandem” goalie. I know players play mid season International games so I was thinking those better simulate a small part of an NHL workload but not the WC because the WC comes after a nice break after European playoffs end.

    If Koskinen was a true starter on a playoff NHL team we’re looking at 50-60 regular season games plus 5-10 playoff games on average. A 55-70 GP range but potentially more. He has three Euro seasons that met that range. Two more came close but I wonder if the WC games are what a get it close.

    KHL regular seasons are shorter so I guess you wonder how he can handle full NHL seasons plus potentially playoffs. I don’t think he can’t do it but the NHL is definitely a different animal.

    If we believe the coach, Koskinen already “hit the wall” once earlier this year – and that was after playing “starters minutes” for 3 weeks or so.

    Of course. as we’ve been seeing recently, rest hasn’t quite helped him “find his game” yet.

  183. jp says:

    Alpine: Sorry, should have specified KHL regular season games. Should have also upped my criteria to 50 games as that’s generally bare minimum for a designated starter and not a “tandem” goalie. I know players play mid season International games so I was thinking those better simulate a small part of an NHL workload but not the WC because the WC comes after a nice break after European playoffs end.

    If Koskinen was a true starter on a playoff NHL team we’re looking at 50-60 regular season games plus 5-10 playoff games on average. A 55-70 GP range but potentially more. He has three Euro seasons that met that range. Two more came close but I wonder if the WC games are what a get it close.

    KHL regular seasons are shorter so I guess you wonder how he can handle full NHL seasons plus potentially playoffs. I don’t think he can’t do it but the NHL is definitely a different animal.

    Wherever they came from Koskinen’s played more games than is immediately obvious. Agree his workload is somewhat of a concern though. The Oilers have a ways to go before we need to worry about adding playoff games to his slate in any case.

  184. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Wherever they came from Koskinen’s played more games than is immediately obvious. Agree his workload is somewhat of a concern though. The Oilers have a ways to go before we need to worry about adding playoff games to his slate in any case.

    Seemingly, however an Oiler win today and a WSH victory over VAN in regulation and the Oilers will sit 1 point out of the playoff no matter what happens in the other games.

    Remember, as sucky as the Oilers are, the other 6-7 teams in the tier are just as sucky – they really are.

  185. CallighenMan says:

    Dustylegnd,

    BS troll

  186. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Seemingly, however an Oiler win today and a WSH victory over VAN in regulation and the Oilers will sit 1 point out of the playoff no matter what happens in the other games.

    Remember, as sucky as the Oilers are, the other 6-7 teams in the tier are just as sucky – they really are.

    For sure. I remain optimistic but with frequent swings towards realistic/pessimistic.

    A couple of these sucky teams are going to outpace their record to this point. The Oilers need to be among them to make it in.

  187. CallighenMan says:

    Dustylegnd,

    Spoken like a true troll

  188. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Setting the Oilers’ expected keeper list for the next GM

    https://theathletic.com/800048/2019/02/05/lowetide-setting-the-oilers-expected-keeper-list-for-the-next-gm/

  189. russ99 says:

    Seems to me that wasting another opportunity to add talent to a thin roster is foolhardy, and to me this has little to do with the playoffs, and more giving the next GM a fighting chance for next season rather than giant capstrung contracts nobody wants and having to shop at the bottom of the free agent barrel and rush kids again next year.

    Yeah, draft and develop is usually sound, but we are the worst team in the league when it comes to developing our top prospects. We do that, we’re still stuck with bad contracts, no talent of any remote gamebreaking variety (and please stop with the wishful thinking on Jesse and Kailer, do you see anything close to Kotkaniemi in their current skillsets?) comes onto the roster and we’re a lottery team next year too with another year of no hope and descending closer to the day Connor asks out of town.

  190. HT Joe says:

    Shout out to Pescador… now I very much want to read Stephen Hawkings’ “The Grand Design”. Thanks.

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