Silent Sorrow in Empty Boats

The Edmonton Oilers had a 2-1 lead going into the third period last night, and Oilers fans had thoughts of waking up this morning one point out of the playoffs. A wretched third period put those thoughts to rest and the organization once again sent fans out into the cold angry and disappointed. How long is how long?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton brought it yesterday, there’s a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: Setting the Oilers’ expected keeper list for the next GM
  • Lowetide: Entry deal AHL forwards give the Oilers an excellent trade pool.
  • Lowetide: If fast is the new big, how do the Edmonton Oilers get there in a hurry?
  • Jonathan Willis: Analyzing how well Peter Chiarelli and Keith Gretzky restocked the Oilers with their draft work
  • Lowetide: Finding a path to the playoffs may involve reckless use of future assets by the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL free agency period
  • Tyler Dellow: A deeper look at Connor McDavid and the Oilers’ 5-on-5 offensive changes under Ken Hitchcock
  • Corey Pronman: 2019 NHL Draft midseason rankings
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Lowetide: Edmonton’s 2019 entry draft plans may change with new GM but needs are clear
  • Lowetide: Caleb Jones has impressive first showing in the NHL with Oilers.
  • Tyler Dellow: Four questions that the Oilers should be asking candidates for the GM job
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: New Oilers caretaker Keith Gretzky caught between earning playoff berth and keeping future assets
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Goalless Tobias Rieder hopes to follow Zack Kassian and Milan Lucic and end his offensive funk.
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

OILERS AFTER 53

  • Oilers in 2015: 21-27-5, 47 points; goal differential -21
  • Oilers in 2016: 28-17-8, 64 points; goal differential +12
  • Oilers in 2017: 23-26-4, 50 points; goal differential -28
  • Oilers in 2018: 23-25-5, 51 points; goal differential -19

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 1-2-0, two points; goal differential -8
  • Oilers in February 2017: 1-2-0, two points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in February 2018: 1-1-1, three points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in February 2019: 0-1-2, two points; goal differential -6

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: Philadelphia, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-2)
  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Pittsburgh, Carolina, NY Islanders (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, NY Islanders, Anaheim (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Toronto, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 0-1-2, two points in three games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Larsson played big minutes and had good possession but were culprits in specific moments. Pair were 18-13 in 18:19, 10-6 shots, 0-1 goals and 7-4 HDSC. Were 8-9 in 10:10 (0-1 goals) against Caggiula-Toews-Kane. I’m glad to have Oscar back.
  • Nurse-Russell had an awful third period. The Haydun goal was mostly about Rieder, but Nurse screening Talbot on the Strome marker and Russell leaving his feet seconds before the Caggiula goal contributed to the disaster. Went 9-5 in 6:25 against Saad-Kruger-Kampf. This pairing collapses like a cheap suit.
  • Gravel-Benning were low event despite getting caved in possession.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 23 of 27, .852. Mikko Koskinen stopped six of eight, .750. Not good.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS LAST NIGHT

  • Lucic-McDavid-Rattie were 12-13 in 9:28, 5-8 shots and 0-1 goals. Were 4-4 HDSC. I think we’ll see this line shuffled soon. Rattie had a helluva chance late in the second, if he scores there, well, you never know.
  • Reider-Draisaitl-Chiasson went 6-4 in 8:10, 3-2 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-2 HDSC. Reider is going to drive me mad, good lord man you trolled us for years with your scoring and now it’s all gone, every last drop.
  • Khaira-Nuge-Kassian were 4-3 in 5:43, 2-0 shots and 2-0 HDSC. Not sure why were didn’t see more of them.
  • Malone-Brodziak-Puljujarvi were 2-5 in 4:28, 0-2 shots, 0-1 goals and nothing high danger. Malone high sticked McDavid. Good grief.

A FEW POINTS

  • Throwing things on the ice is old. If you want to show your rage, do something like turn your back to the ice for the first two minutes of the game. Soccer fans do that kind of thing to shame management and ownership. More effective, gets headlines.
  • The Oilers need a goalie. Incredible.
  • I wonder what Todd McLellan is thinking now.
  • Leon Draisaitl is a helluva player.
  • Connor McDavid is the best player in the game.
  • There’s no trade that can be made to guarantee the playoffs. Oilers should keep their powder dry.
  • The new general manager should cordon off the prospects (Bouchard, Yamamoto, Benson) from this Oilers team until the fall.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning, we’ll open up the phone lines and Bruce McCurdy will be around at 10:20 to offer his opinion on last night’s game. Kris Abbott from OddsShark will also drop in just after 11. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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  1. Moonlight says:

    Wow. I don’t even know what to think about this team anymore.

  2. smellyglove says:

    What is amazing is to see how this team progresses from previous iterations. Four years in the McDavid/Chia-post-Chia era and ~50 points to date for three of the years. One anomalous year in 2017.

    Any “old-timers” here? By old-timers, I mean folks following from rebuild 1.0 in circa 2009? I at least had the sense through rebuilds 1.0-3.0 that collect enough high end talent through drafting high and success would be inevitable. Three first overalls plus drafting top end of every round, no pressure to win. Multiple top 10 picks in years where the Oil did not pick #1 OV. And that was BEFORE the McDavid draft, the Oilers should have had enough promising young players to ice a competitive team (again high picks and able to spend to the cap). Then the team was gifted the greatest of all hockey gifts in a generational centre, and yet… still deep down the mine shaft.

    NHL.com has some great stats for teams. I enjoy filtering team stats, cumulative, since 2006-07. The Oilers are a team of notable accomplishment in that since 07 they have the most losses and the least wins of any squad (except ones without the ~1050 games played or so).

    There’s something in the water indeed. I know, GM canned and all, but I can’t help think we would not be better off if Katz recruited an entire management team from scratch, a la an expansion team. OBC not making decisions, well the optics of keeping them on is worse than any downside in canning and pissing them off.

  3. Moonlight says:

    This blog is like our support group.

  4. dustrock says:

    Talbot didn’t return to the bench after he was pulled?

    Sounds like what this team really needs is an injection of *checks notes* character?

    Oh sorry, misread that, they cheaped out on the Rogers Place construction and used lead pipes from China, so it really is something in the water.

  5. Paddyh says:

    How do you not just blow this thing up completely? Brutal.

  6. russ99 says:

    smellyglove,

    I have no faith left that this organization from the coach down to the old boys running hockey ops can effectively develop a quality prospect. Needs to change.

    What’s happening in the AHL is a good coach utilizing his entire roster and not the checker plugs previously pushed at the expense of potential talent given enough reps to succeed.

  7. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Our 5-year-old son loves hockey. He is “24/7 hockey”: from mini-sticks in the basement, to watching as much as he can (is allowed!) on TV, to having us read him stories about Bobby Orr and Sid and Gretz and Howe and so many others, to ball hockey outside, to his 1st year of playing tyke here in Toronto. I grew up playing hockey in St. Albert through the 70s and 80s and was privileged to watch the golden years and stars of the Oilers franchise. Due to the time difference, I tape the Oilers games so he and I can watch almost all of them together. A few months ago, after another sad Oiler loss in a previous losing streak, he was crying after the game. I told him not to get upset about the Oilers losing so much and to enjoy watching the game of hockey itself and watching Connor McDavid skate! (btw, my son is now asking me to hire Quinn as his own skating coach because he wants to be a better skater than McD…that’s the spirit!). We watched the first two periods of the Chicago game this morning before I took him to school. He said leaving the house that he thought the Oilers were going to win (being up 2-1, that made sense). Then, after I got back from taking him to school and excited to see the 3rd period before I started working, I watched the 3rd by myself. I don’t think I will let him watch the end of the game because he will be upset again. And deservedly so. Despite telling ourselves we should not be upset, that is the same as saying “stop yourself from being a fan”. Hard to do.

    Right now I am very upset and I am not listening to my own advice to him. I am extremely angry, sad and out-right nauseous watching this team continuously be out-manned and out-played. All the little cuts inflicted on this team by the management, coaching, scouting, and player development over the past ~10 years is destroying this franchise. I feel really really bad for Oilers ticket holders (which my father was for a few decades up until about 10 years ago). I heard a few boos in the 3rd, but I think the attending fan-base needs to express their displeasure more clearly. This is pathetic.

    There is so much gut-wrenching irony in watching these games now. For example, from last night: Caggiula scoring (Manning anchor in the PB and anchor contract for next year) and the Chi PP led by an Oilers draft pick (Gustafsson) who was not signed that would fill a critically lacking roll with the team over the past few years. Death by a thousand cuts. This organization cannot evaluate talent. Full STOP!

    The ghost of PC and the rot of OBC
    We ALL know that all the major (AND VERY BAD!!) decisions from the beginning of PC’s tenure (Reinhart) to the end (Koskinen) were done by committee. This is stated fact. The same hole on 2RD that has been there for > 5 years (pre-PC!!) is killing this team! They needed to move one or two of the leftorium (e.g., Nurse or other) for even an “average” 2 RD 2-3 years ago. The “2RD” position will not be “solved” again next year either. Perhaps it could be from good fortune/luck, but not from sound risk-averse management/planning. I don’t know another professional sports organization that cannot address obvious positional needs for such an extended period of time (not drafting for the RD position for 10 years, not replacing RD that were shipped out – Petry, Schultz). It is baffling!!! It is beyond logical comprehension!!! This, of course, is just ONE example of neglect, poor decision-making of which we know there are plenty of others over this time period.

    However, I still have some hope. I believe they are not too far off from righting the ship in the next 2 years because of the GIFTS they have been given (i.e., McD!) and the potential talent coming up in the system from some reasonable drafting in the past 3 years….

    BUT THE MANAGEMENT AND FRONT OFFICE OF THIS ORGANIZATION NEEDS TO BE GUTTED, FROM NICHOLSON DOWN. THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING. IT IS THE ONLY WAY I THINK THEY CAN HAVE ANY TRULY MEANINGFUL SUCCESS IN THE FUTURE.

    As for my son, I think I will start taping leaf games for him to watch instead of Oiler games. I should not have him inherit my affliction. I will let him develop one of his own for “his own home team”.

    LT, thank you for letting me get this out here. It is somewhat cathartic.

  8. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bill Murray wakes a sleepy yawn, ” They say fans love might pay the rent, Before it’s earned, our cap room’s all been spent”

    Oilers new hires in 2019
    GM Phil Punxsutawny
    Coach Willie Wiarton

  9. Tagger2013 says:

    Watching from Ottawa and I have to be up at 5 am to get to work. There is no joy in watching a team under perform at 5×5 for 40 minutes take a lead into the 3rd period and proceed to get blown out. Dear Oilers please get blown out in first 20 minutes so I can get to bed at a decent time.

    This team has no offensive depth at all when 97 is off the ice. The defense is mediocre, pull the plug and fix it this summer. I would be willing to package Lucic and Nurse for pucks and sticks just to get rid of that god awful contract.

  10. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    smellyglove,

    – I alluded to this before, but one of the unintended consequences of 2 coaches and 2 GM’s in the season is the chaos it has on the players

    – I know you can say “suck it up”, be professional”, but it doesn’t work that way in a work environment

    – Guys want out, careers are being wrecked, no direction from the management, the players know who did what. Only 3 points out and Sek and Klef back?

    – Not sure what to cheer for anymore: McD scoring title, Drai 100+ points, RNH career year, please Pool score some goals, please Lucic help us help you get traded: anything else?

  11. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY 20
    SJS 15
    VGK 9

    Central
    WPG 18
    NSH 13
    DAL 7

    Wildcard
    MIN 4
    STL 2

    Out of playoffs
    COL 0
    VAN 0
    ARI -2
    EDM -2
    CHI -3
    ANA -3
    LAK -5

    This is the end
    Beautiful friend
    This is the end
    My only friend, the end
    Of our elaborate plans, the end
    Of everything that stands, the end
    No safety or surprise, the end
    I’ll never look into your eyes… Again

  12. Oilman99 says:

    Koskinen contract for three years, what a deal. Talbot trade value now nonexistent. The dark hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper. McDavid may become the best player ever to not win a Stanley cup, unless he jumps ship.

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EDM Goal Share after 53 games (23-25-5)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 55-48 (53%)
    McDavid Off Ice 49-72 (40%)
    EV= -16

    Special Teams (PP+SH For-PK+SH Against):
    40-44
    ST= -4

    Empty Net: (all 5v6 & 5v6)
    6-13
    EN= -7

    SO & PS
    3-1

    SO/PS= +2

    Net Goal Differential -25

    EDM is last in the NHL in “5v5 GF% with their best player off”

    What a fucking travesty.

  14. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HITCHCOCK ERA
    EDM Goal Share after 33 games (14-15-4)

    Even strength (5v5,4v4,3v3)
    McDavid On Ice 35-34 (51%)
    McDavid Off Ice 31-44 (41%)
    Net EV -12

    Sp. Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against)
    23-25
    Net ST -2

    Empty Net
    4-8
    Net EN -4

    SO & PS
    3-1
    SO & PS=+2

    Net Goal Differential -16

    McDavid being 51% GF under Hitch is also a fucking travesty.

  15. northof51 says:

    Unpopular opinion warning…

    A lot of backlash to the jersey throwing, but I welcome it. Tier 1 fans (a group to which I do NOT belong) have earned the right to throw their jerseys. They have paid exorbitant amounts of money to attend games and buy merchandise. Express your opinion in any non-violent, non-destructive way you desire. Paying fans need to do something to get their message across because the Tier II fans aren’t having enough of an impact on ownership.

    That said, my preference would be that people just stop buying tickets and merch, but then that would be akin to treason Edmonton.

  16. tileguy says:

    Blend or unblend the lines, dosen’t matter.

  17. who says:

    Interesting day after another brutal loss.
    I loved the comment last night about “not even knowing who to blame anymore”. That pretty much sums it up, doesn’t it.
    Tmac had multiple seasons to figure it out. Chia got to fire 1 coach before he got fired. Does this mean that Nicholson gets to hire one more GM before he gets the axe?
    I don’t think Nicholson needs to be a great hockey man to get this right. But he will need to be a great executive. I guess we’ll see. He’s already failed at this once.
    The good news is that last nights performance should erase any delusions of playoff grandeur regarding this squad. Pretty easy to be sellers at this point. Stock up on draft picks and prospects wherever possible. That way we can at least give the new GM a fighting chance. And a bunch of bad contracts. 😂

  18. Dustylegnd says:

    Dom Luszczyszyn playoff Probability update

    Edmonton Oiler’s 13% probability

  19. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Nurse-Russell had an awful third period. The Haydun goal was mostly about Rieder, but Nurse screening Talbot on the Strome marker and Russell leaving his feet seconds before the Caggiula goal contributed to the disaster. Went 9-5 in 6:25 against Saad-Kruger-Kampf. This pairing collapses like a cheap suit.

    I checked the shift charts after the game and what I thought I saw was correct.

    25-4 had 3 shifts in a row that ended in a goal against.

    Three. In. A. Row.

    Never seen that before.

  20. Jethro Tull says:

    LT, disagree with you on jersey toss. Absolutely one’s own right to show emotion if there own way. Bad points about the silent treatment? Doesn’t address or more importantly acknowledge the bad emotions. That can lead to infinitely more visceral reactions if not addressed.

    How about “why are you turning your back after paying $100s for tickets when some fans can’t afford to go?”

    That’s why people should be allowed to people.

  21. McSorley33 says:

    Craig McTavish and Scotty Howson still on the Payroll?

    MICKEY MOUSE.

    You need another forensic audit to make a call on the pro scouting department?

    Really?

  22. Jethro Tull says:

    northof51:
    Unpopular opinion warning…

    A lot of backlash to the jersey throwing, but I welcome it. Tier 1 fans (a group to which I do NOT belong) have earned the right to throw their jerseys. They have paid exorbitant amounts of money to attend games and buy merchandise. Express your opinion in any non-violent, non-destructive way you desire. Paying fans need to do something to get their message across because the Tier II fans aren’t having enough of an impact on ownership.

    That said, my preference would be that people just stop buying tickets and merch, but then that would be akin to treason Edmonton.

    And that is the ammo for the move to Seattle…..or Kansas. But I understand the sentiment. The league would love McDavid in another market.

  23. tileguy says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    When the musics over
    Turn out the lights.

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    The fear of “selling” any sort of asset for immediate help should now be over, right?

    With that said, only 3 points out so maybe management becomes ever more panicky to make an immediate move and we should be more fearful?

    I don’t want to live in fear any more but this organization cannot afford any more “head-scratching” trades.

  25. Bar_Qu says:

    smellyglove,

    I’ve been following this team at this blog since 2007 (at least) and before that since 1994 pretty intently. I actually am not that upset about last night’s loss. At the time it was a bit perplexing, but really this is no different than the many other collapses this team has had for the last 10 years (playoff year excluded).

    I think it was Wheat n Oil on twitter last night who pointed out that the team, lacking real depth, has a tendency to collapse like a 70’s era card table, because they have had so many times where goal tending/poor coverage/general confusion has taken over instead of confidence. One goes in, and then another, and poof, the team is a puddle just waiting for the next goal to go in. I was actually expecting the Kane goal about when it occurred, because the Hawks smelled blood and the Oilers were so rattled.

    Trade some vets, including Russel, Nurse, Kassian, Lucic (if possible), Brodziak and whomever else gets better than a 7th is the only play left. I include Nurse because we have seen his ceiling and his trade value only goes down from here. Jones is nearly as good a D already, and has miles more potential.

  26. zatch says:

    lol

  27. McSorley33 says:

    Brian Boyle on the move…

  28. OriginalPouzar says:

    I will continue to be vehemently against bringing up any of the kids – ya, we all would love to see Benson, Marody and Jones over Lucic, Brodziak and Manning/Gravel, however, none of that is going to move the needle with the NHL team and I think the prospects should continue to keep playing big minutes in Bakersfield, keep enjoying success and keep developing.

    Its not like the current coach is going to play any of these guys for more than a handful of shifts again in the bottom 6.

    My concern about a “sell-off”, if there are buyers for our parts, is having to decimate Bakersfield in order to fill the NHL lineup.

    I want to continue to look forward to and enjoy watching the Condors’ games.

    I don’t even really want to see P. Russell, Joe G., etc. in the NHL because, again, they aren’t going to move the needle in Edmonton but they do for the Condors.

  29. McSorley33 says:

    Looks like Boyle – 34 year old Boyle – will fetch a 2nd round pick.

    For the Love of God – Keith you better be selling into this market.

  30. Oilpower says:

    Team only needs 8 new wingers, and a number 1 dman and they totally got this! That should be easy to get right?

  31. Dustylegnd says:

    who:
    Interesting day after another brutal loss.
    I loved thecomment last night about “not even knowing who to blame anymore”. That pretty much sums it up, doesn’t it.

    To me it is very obvious who is to blame, those who have been in place though this entire shit show

    Katz….owner since 2008

    Lowe….General Mismanager since 2007

    MacT…..Coach then not coach…then Executive Assistant Mismanager

    Scott Howson….Executive assistant Mismanager….then General Mismanager of Columbus into the gutter…..then Executive mismanager of all things devoid of talent back with the Oil

    Bob Green …..Executive Mismanager of amateur non talent and Minor league non talent

    These gentlemen have been constants through all the losing……we all agree that a large number of the poor decisions were made by committee…..the current Management structure is an unequivocal disaster

    Failure is an orphan for sure….I don’t see anyone with their hand in the air accepting the Blame

  32. Dustylegnd says:

    Jethro Tull: And that is the ammo for the move to Seattle…..or Kansas. But I understand the sentiment. The league would love McDavid in another market.

    McDavid would love McDavid in another Market

  33. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’ve seen a few posts with people suggesting the Oilers trade Nurse. IMO this would be a huge mistake and would be history repeating itself. We have to stop trading young guys with skill and talent for pennies on the dollar. I’m sick of watching them become much better players on other teams. This is the Oiler way and it has to stop.

    There are maybe eight players on this team who should not be traded.

    McDavid
    Drai
    RNH
    Klef
    Nurse
    Karsson
    JP
    Khaira

  34. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EDM is basically chasing STL and MIN.

    Its assumed they have to pass everyone in between.

    Since January 1st:

    STL 9-4-1 so +5
    MIN 8-4-2 so +4
    EDM 5-7-2 so -2

    STL is 4 points above .500 ahead of EDM so for EDM to catch them, they had to finish +5 better than STL

    So if STL goes .500, EDM would need to go 16-11-2 over their last 29.

    Yeah, that’s pretty thin.

    Same thing with MIN, but now you need EDM to go +7 while MIN goes .500.

    Start the draft coverage.

  35. who says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I’ve seen a few posts with people suggesting the Oilers trade Nurse. IMO this would be a huge mistake and would be history repeating itself. We have to stop trading young guys with skill and talent for pennies on the dollar. I’m sick of watching them become much better players on other teams. This is the Oiler way and it has to stop.

    There are maybe eight players on this team who should not be traded.

    McDavid
    Drai
    RNH
    Klef
    Nurse
    Karsson
    JP
    Khaira

    Your list and mine are exactly the same.

  36. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I will continue to be vehemently against bringing up any of the kids – ya, we all would love to see Benson, Marody and Jones over Lucic, Brodziak and Manning/Gravel, however, none of that is going to move the needle with the NHL team and I think the prospects should continue to keep playing big minutes in Bakersfield, keep enjoying success and keep developing.

    Its not like the current coach is going to play any of these guys for more than a handful of shifts again in the bottom 6.

    My concern about a “sell-off”, if there are buyers for our parts, is having to decimate Bakersfield in order to fill the NHL lineup.

    I want to continue to look forward to and enjoy watching the Condors’ games.

    I don’t even really want to see P. Russell, Joe G., etc. in the NHL because, again, they aren’t going to move the needle in Edmonton but they do for the Condors.

    I think it’s better that you look at the situation as a giant slide puzzle where you don’t know the end picture. You want contracts to expire. Well, players have to fill them. You don’t want the dead weight on the team? Well, players have to fill that.

    In order to affect change, stimulus must be applied. Time is rarely an ideal stimulus. Usually some form of energy needs to be provided. Now I don’t know how to fix this mess, but I’m damn sure standing still while 22yos tear up the AHL isn’t the answer.

  37. smellyglove says:

    Re: Jersey throwing. I don’t have a problem with it either. This is the most passionate, supportive fan base in the NHL. People of Alberta and beyond have dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into this product. What we have here is a betrayal to Edmonton Oilers hockey fans.

    And I’m not even an Edmontonian that has seen dozens/hundreds of millions of dollars of my tax dollars flow into the *new* arena.

    Let me be clear here, the level of ineptitude and fail this franchise has seen will put it in the history books of pro sports. This is a Cleveland Browns level of fail. I’m actually surprised that fans aren’t putting up billboards a la’ in Ottawa or protesting in front of Oilers HQ. I feel bad most of all for Connor McDavid, who is a true pro carrying a burden on his shoulders. It’s feasible we will see an Erik Karlsson-type situation here eventually. It wouldn’t be so bad if this was just an expansion team with McDavid on the roster. However, the Oilers are a) in cap hell already, with some odious contracts like MK Ultra trending in the direction and b) not shining too brightly in terms of prospects (I know that goes against what many of you believe, but it is the evaluation of others outside the org.).

  38. Greg says:

    Oilpower,

    And 2 goalies.

  39. Factotum says:

    And now that it’s all over
    The birds can nest again
    I’ll only snow when the sun comes out
    I’ll shine only when it starts to rain

    And if you want a drink
    Just squeeze my hand
    And wine will flow into the land
    And feed my lambs

    I’m sorry I took your time
    I am the poem that doesn’t rhyme
    Just turn back a page
    I’ll waste away, I’ll waste away
    I’ll waste away, I’ll waste away
    I’ll waste away, I’ll waste away

  40. Bad Seed says:

    Jethro Tull: And that is the ammo for the move to Seattle…..or Kansas. But I understand the sentiment. The league would love McDavid in another market.

    So a guy throws a jersey on the ice and that would be ammo for the team to move? Forget Edmonton being a top revenue team and being one of the most supported teams despite this franchise’s obvious failures. Wha a ridiculous statement by you.

  41. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Nurse-Russell had an awful third period. The Haydun goal was mostly about Rieder, but Nurse screening Talbot on the Strome marker and Russell leaving his feet seconds before the Caggiula goal contributed to the disaster. Went 9-5 in 6:25 against Saad-Kruger-Kampf. This pairing collapses like a cheap suit.

    I checked the shift charts after the game and what I thought I saw was correct.

    25-4 had 3 shifts in a row that ended in a goal against.

    Three. In. A. Row.

    Never seen that before.

    Yes. That pair has major sucked for several games in a row. They both make poor decisions. Split them up, but how? Please Seksy be able to come back healthy and effective in the 2nd pairing. Please.

  42. BONE207 says:

    What’s with all the dissent folks?

    I watch the games & laugh.
    The league looks at this team & laughs (imagine Caggiula last night with a beer in hand)
    I read this blog & laugh.

    I know. I’m weak. I have no passion left. I’m broken…

  43. zatch says:

    who,

    Nurse should absolutely be in play. Possibly the only player in Edmonton who has a perceived higher value than what it really is. If the deal is right, you move him in a hurry.

  44. JohnnyOilfan says:

    dustrock,

    Rishaug reported that Tablot stayed in his gear and was reviewing some video with Goalie Coach. Was ready to return if needed. Odd but it doesn’t appear as him trying to stand up his coach. His team did leave him and Koskinen to dry in the 3rd.

  45. JimmyV1965 says:

    I posted this in the last thread but I think it was confusing to follow. I’m thinking of ways to trade Lucic and the best possible scenario IMO is to engineer a three-way trade.

    We trade him and a pick to Team A and we retain $2 mill. Team A trades Lucic to Team B. Team
    A retains $2 mill and receives a pick from Team B. Team B ends up keeping Lucic at $2 mill. Team A gets two picks for picking up $2 mill in cap.

    Oilers: retain $2 million and trades 2nd rounder
    Team A: retains $2 million and receives two 2nd rounders
    Team B: keeps Lucic, retains $2 million and trades 2nd rounder

    To me this seems like the ideal solution. We gain $4 mill in cap space and dump a bad player. I’m not sure if this possible though. Do we have to retain $3 mill? Would any team be willing to retain $2 mill in cap for four years in exchange for two 2nd rounders?

  46. Durag says:

    I would love to see the coach stick with

    29-97-98
    16-93-XX

    for the entire remainder of the season, with sincere apologies to the Nuge. In a perfect world those are the only forwards coming back next year.

  47. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bill Murray wakes a sleepy yawn, ” They say fans love might pay the rent, BEFORE ITS EARNED, our cap room’s all been spent”

    Oilers new hires in 2019
    GM Phil Punxsutawny
    Coach Willie Wiarton

    All together now:

    (Chorus)

    Katz

    We got you Katz,
    (dumb dumb…..dumb…..dumb dumb
    dumb…….dumb dumb…..dumb…..dumb)

    We got you Katz,
    (dumb dumb…..dumb…..dumb dumb
    dumb……dumb dumb…..dumb…..dumb)

    We got you to take our dough
    We got you to rebuild slow

    We got you to hire Gretzky
    We got you to “Wait and See”

    We got you for your business mind
    We got you to rob us blind

    We got you to lead the way
    We got you to drink the Cabernet

    Kaaaaatz………………….

    (Reprise)

    We got YOU Katz
    (dumb dumb…..dumb…..dumb dumb
    dumb
    dumb dumb…..dumb…..dumb)

    We got YOU Katz
    (dumb dumb…..dumb…..dumb dumb
    dumb
    dumb dumb…..dumb…..dumb)

    Weeeee gottttt youuu Kaaatz.

  48. who says:

    zatch:
    who,

    Nurse should absolutely be in play. Possibly the only player in Edmonton who has a perceived higher value than what it really is. If the deal is right, you move him in a hurry.

    No. You are wrong.
    The team needs to add to this list of 8. Not swap one guy out for a different guy in.

  49. Jethro Tull says:

    Bad Seed: So a guy throws a jersey on the ice and that would be ammo for the team to move?Forget Edmonton being a top revenue team and being one of the most supported teams despite this franchise’s obvious failures.Wha a ridiculous statement by you.

    Re-read the post it was in response to please. Northof51 proposed boycotting games and not buying merchandise. That’s what I was referring to.

  50. Jethro Tull says:

    Also, it’s a sad indictment that we’re so used to getting screwed by video replay that more isn’t being made about that absolutely horrendous call.

  51. Derek says:

    I don’t really get the outrage. The roster isn’t going to magically become better just because it’s architect is gone.

    I welcome it though. I have a similar timeline with this club as Bar Qu, although my fandom first began when I was learning to skate at 3 or 4 in Southern AB and my parents offered me a blue or red jersey and I chose the one with the oil drop (much to their dismay).

    I cheer for failure now more than I did during the run up to the Hall draft. It is the only way we can hope to be rid of the BOTB. They must be embarrassed, made to look completely and utterly incompetent beyond any shadow of doubt. Only then can we be free.

    What a way to destroy your legacy as a player, by stubbornly holding on and fucking up as a member of management.

    I apologize to anyone who thinks I’m not being a fan correctly and I will abstain from posting my comments too often on the blog so as not to cause even more friction during the death throes of the season.

    Always a pleasure LT and fam.

  52. godot10 says:

    //The Haydun goal was mostly about Rieder,//

    Really. Russell lost a board battle, and then was slow picking up the forward who the puck bounced too. Draisaitl also abandoned his man along the boards while Chicago forwards had the puck.

  53. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I will continue to be vehemently against bringing up any of the kids – ya, we all would love to see Benson, Marody and Jones over Lucic, Brodziak and Manning/Gravel, however, none of that is going to move the needle with the NHL team and I think the prospects should continue to keep playing big minutes in Bakersfield, keep enjoying success and keep developing.

    Its not like the current coach is going to play any of these guys for more than a handful of shifts again in the bottom 6.

    My concern about a “sell-off”, if there are buyers for our parts, is having to decimate Bakersfield in order to fill the NHL lineup.

    I want to continue to look forward to and enjoy watching the Condors’ games.

    I don’t even really want to see P. Russell, Joe G., etc. in the NHL because, again, they aren’t going to move the needle in Edmonton but they do for the Condors.

    Well said. And I’ll add the kids are learning how to win down there. Something much needed.

  54. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “16-11-2 over their last 29.”

    For a team that has lost 8 of their last 10 at home to mostly NON playoff teams ……

    Not happening.

  55. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Dustylegnd,

    – I think the opportunity is that the remaining group have pitched Katz that this is a playoff team, and once we got rid of the bad coach and bad GM, we can make playoffs.

    – If the team doesn’t, maybe Katz realizes finally he’s being sold a bag of goods, and trots out my letter, thanking everyone for bleeding Oil, but time for a sweeping change?

    – The decision to fire Chia was approved by Katz, based on the advice of the wine summit: certain that they can get it done. Katz is giving them enough rope to get hanged IMO

  56. JimmyV1965 says:

    who: Your list and mine are exactly the same.

    You had Karsson too? LOL. He’s frickin awesome.

  57. Professor Q says:

    Oilman99:
    Koskinen contract for three years, what a deal. Talbot trade value now nonexistent. The dark hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper. McDavid may become the best player ever to not win a Stanley cup, unless he jumps ship.

    Which would be quite ironic.

    He ends up in Minnesota, Edmonton corrects itself and wins the Cup, and he finishes his career without one.

  58. Coiler says:

    Abhorrent.
    Disgusting.
    Unfathomable.

    Just a few words that came to me after watching that debacle last night. I don’t care what Nicholson or anyone else in that organization might spew out. The fact is this team is what it is. At best an AHL team full of plugs and journeymen.

    I’m disheartened that McDavid has to endure this crap.
    I feel for Nuge for having to eat the same shit sandwich now for his entire career.

    I really hope Chiarelli comes out with some sort of autobiography at some point. Maybe then we’ll understand the full level of disfunction that exists within the walls of the OIlers. I figure that’s the only way he’ll be able to make any cake given that he’ll never likely get a job at an NHL club again.

    Tossing jerseys. Hey, if that’s going to fill your boots then go right at it. Doesn’t prove anything beyond the fact that you’ve spent good money on a ticket and good money on a jersey and threw it all in the garbage. I get that it’s frustrating to witness that on-ice garbage but the better thing would be to boycott the games and jerseys.

  59. Bag of Pucks says:

    Hey, at least the weather’s nice.

  60. p3rsonman says:

    Jethro Tull: Re-read the post it was in response to please. Northof51 proposed boycotting games and not buying merchandise. That’s what I was referring to.

    Fortunately Katz can’t move the team for 35 years due to the Arena deal. Keep those jerseys comin, and the arena as empty as you want.

  61. Bag of Pucks says:

    The longer this goes on, the more I appreciate Slats as a team builder now.

    Can you imagine if we’d surrounded Gretzky with this cast of has beens and never was’s? Heresy.

  62. OilersFuture says:

    The new general manager should cordon off the prospects (Bouchard, Yamamoto, Benson) from this Oilers team until the fall.

    – I would add Puljujarvi to this list as well. But the organization needs to have a good conversation with him.They want him to play top 6 minutes and he will be their until the end of the season. That he is part of the future and they want him here ready for a top 9 role next year.

    JimmyV1965:
    I’ve seen a few posts with people suggesting the Oilers trade Nurse. IMO this would be a huge mistake and would be history repeating itself. We have to stop trading young guys with skill and talent for pennies on the dollar. I’m sick of watching them become much better players on other teams. This is the Oiler way and it has to stop.

    There are maybe eight players on this team who should not be traded.

    McDavid
    Drai
    RNH
    Klef
    Nurse
    Karsson
    JP
    Khaira

    This is the keeper list. I hope the new GM comes into the team and asks all of the management/scouts/player development for a list of 7 keepers on the team. If the person doesn’t list one of these 8 then that person is let go.

    When I take a look at the top 4 (people’s opinions may be different) but lets say, McDavid, Drai, Nuge, Klefbom. This list is as good as any playoff team. The problem is not with the top of the order.

  63. Dustylegnd says:

    Derek:
    I don’t really get the outrage.The roster isn’t going to magically become better just because it’s architect is gone.

    I apologize to anyone who thinks I’m not being a fan correctly and I will abstain from posting my comments too often on the blog so as not to cause even more friction during the death throes of the season.

    Always a pleasure LT and fam.

    No need to apologize for a rational opinion mate….I agree with you…..this team needs to leave 0 doubt about the gross incompetency of this Mismanagement team

  64. Dustylegnd says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    This team is NOT making the playoffs…if they miss and the GM decides to keep any of them beyond 4 months post hiring …..all hope is lost

  65. Sierra says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Dustylegnd,

    – I think the opportunity is that the remaining group have pitched Katz that this is a playoff team, and once we got rid of the bad coach and bad GM, we can make playoffs.

    – If the team doesn’t, maybe Katz realizes finally he’s being sold a bag of goods, and trots out my letter, thanking everyone for bleeding Oil, but time for a sweeping change?

    – The decision to fire Chia was approved by Katz, based on the advice of the wine summit: certain that they can get it done.Katz is giving them enough rope to get hanged IMO

    I have no doubt that Katz has been told that this is a playoff team with a healthy Klef and Sek, and a different coach.

    Let’s see what happens in the offseason after the Oilers miss the playoffs, but I have zero faith there will be a house cleaning.

  66. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “25-4 had 3 shifts in a row that ended in a goal against.

    Three. In. A. Row.”

    Combine that with “Gravel-Benning were low event despite getting caved in possession.”

    See Russell has always got caved in possession. So when you have him on 2nd pair, and the 3rd pair getting caved …. it’s makes it slightly challenging to score Goals. And of course, when getting caved it’s only a matter of time before the other team scores … 3

  67. Woogie63 says:

    The coach and the line up given to him are not on the same page.

    Last night Twitter was talking about $7.1M (think that is correct) of salary not playing in the starting line-up, as further evidence of the old GMs errors. That would be true if the team was winning without these players. Maybe Hitch has got to adpat his coaching and systems what he has been given.

    Players too high in the slotting –

    Lucic, Chiasson, Reider, Kassian.

    20 games with basically these lines solves lots

    Spooner-McDavid-Rattie
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Puljarjavi
    Khaira-Nuge-Chiasson
    Reider-Brodziak-Kassian
    Malone

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Sekera
    Russell-Petrovic
    Manning

    Koskinen
    Scarrett

    Trade Talbot, Benning or Manning (which every gets you more)

  68. frjohnk says:

    When Koskinen had his heater, I said we need to be aware as we have seen goalie heaters before. Scrivens had a .916 save% in 21 games with the Oilers in 13-14.
    The next season he had a .890 in 57 games

    Koskinen had a similar track record to Nilsson before both came to the NHL.

    Ander Nilsson first 16 games for Oilers 15-16
    Save % of .922
    Rest of season with Oilers
    Save % of .857

    Mikko Koskinen first 16 games with Oilers this season
    Save % of .929
    Rest of season with Oilers up until today ( 14 appearances)
    Save % of .875

    Koskinen is now sporting a .906 save% on the year. He is gonna be paid like a starter this fall, crazy thing is that the Oilers might have to be looking for an actual starter. Well, its not crazy, this is the Oilers, its normal.

  69. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I will continue to be vehemently against bringing up any of the kids – ya, we all would love to see Benson, Marody and Jones over Lucic, Brodziak and Manning/Gravel, however, none of that is going to move the needle with the NHL team and I think the prospects should continue to keep playing big minutes in Bakersfield, keep enjoying success and keep developing.

    Its not like the current coach is going to play any of these guys for more than a handful of shifts again in the bottom 6.

    My concern about a “sell-off”, if there are buyers for our parts, is having to decimate Bakersfield in order to fill the NHL lineup.

    I want to continue to look forward to and enjoy watching the Condors’ games.

    I don’t even really want to see P. Russell, Joe G., etc. in the NHL because, again, they aren’t going to move the needle in Edmonton but they do for the Condors.

    They have Spooner, Marody, Russell, Gambardella, Lowe, Stanton…lots of Bakersfield guys to bring up without contaminating the young Bakersfield guys.

  70. Sierra says:

    Jethro Tull: And that is the ammo for the move to Seattle…..or Kansas. But I understand the sentiment. The league would love McDavid in another market.

    How can Katz move the Oilers when he’s contractually obligated to keep the team in Edmonton, playing in the arena the taxpayers built for him?

  71. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Coiler,

    My take on Chia:

    1) Griff was choice after his awesome Hamilton deal failed, and OBC came up with Griff: Chia signed off, as they weren’t going to draft based on the changes to draft team that ensued

    2) After another year of no playoffs, they wanted Hall gone, and Chia said: “I bet I could get Lucic based on our relationship: what do you think?””, and the OBC loved the idea, and Chia signed off

    3) All the small trades: some worked better than others, but collectively there was not a lot of innovation or great insights: and Chia signed off

    4) Ebs was a salary dump, but they did a poor job in roster picks

    5) Drai and CmD deals will be looked back as amazing, allowing smarter group to build on foundation

    6) Sek was a massive get (all Chia) and his 2-year injury and salary cap really set the team back on a number of levels: from the G, to slotting D properly, to offence, to not being able to plan

    – Chia was “in charge”: I would have waited untill end of season to fire him, and without the OBC this is likely what would have happened. Chia was surrounded by clowns, and did not bring in meaningful hockey people to replace them, because he couldn’t.

    – At least he’s the first fired OIL GM in the last 20 years to not still be employed by the org

    – Chia didn’t just announce to the team that he got Strome for Ebs, etc: it was all done collectively: Coach and Chia aren’t cutting off the head, merely a small tentacle.

    * we are raising a generation of snowflake children: school’s cancelled mid-day, state of emergency: what a joke

  72. Andy Dufresne says:

    Given all of the predictions, “If we were told in October that in early February we would only be 4pts out of a playoff spot, we’d all have taken it!”

    KIIIIDDDIING!

    *throws jersey and runs*

  73. frjohnk says:

    Woogie63: Last night Twitter was talking about $7.1M (think that is correct) of salary not playing in the starting line-up, as further evidence of the old GMs errors. That would be true if the team was winning without these players

    Those players are not good enough for a lineup that is shitty at the bottom end.

    A waste of 10% of cap space.

  74. Jethro Tull says:

    Sierra: How can Katz move the Oilers when he’s contractually obligated to keep the team in Edmonton, playing in the arena the taxpayers built for him?

    Life…uh……finds a way.

  75. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Coiler,

    My take on Chia:

    1) Griff was choice after his awesome Hamilton deal failed, and OBC came up with Griff: Chia signed off, as they weren’t going to draft based on the changes to draft team that ensued

    2)After another year of no playoffs, they wanted Hall gone, and Chia said: “I bet I could get Lucic based on our relationship: what do you think?””, and the OBC loved the idea, and Chia signed off

    3) All the small trades: some worked better than others, but collectively there was not a lot of innovation or great insights: and Chia signed off

    4) Ebs was a salary dump, but they did a poor job in roster picks

    5) Drai and CmD deals will be looked back as amazing, allowing smarter group to build on foundation

    6) Sek was a massive get (all Chia) and his 2-year injury and salary cap really set the team back on a number of levels: from the G, to slotting D properly, to offence, to not being able to plan

    – Chia was “in charge”: I would have waited untill end of season to fire him, and without the OBC this is likely what would have happened.Chia was surrounded by clowns, and did not bring in meaningful hockey people to replace them, because he couldn’t.

    – At least he’s the first fired OIL GM in the last 20 years to not still be employed by the org

    – Chia didn’t just announce to the team that he got Strome for Ebs, etc: it was all done collectively: Coach and Chia aren’t cutting off the head, merely a small tentacle.

    My take on Chia :
    Mike Milbury as GM > Peter Chiarelli as GM

  76. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Coiler,

    My take on Chia:

    1) Griff was choice after his awesome Hamilton deal failed, and OBC came up with Griff: Chia signed off, as they weren’t going to draft based on the changes to draft team that ensued

    2)After another year of no playoffs, they wanted Hall gone, and Chia said: “I bet I could get Lucic based on our relationship: what do you think?””, and the OBC loved the idea, and Chia signed off

    3) All the small trades: some worked better than others, but collectively there was not a lot of innovation or great insights: and Chia signed off

    4) Ebs was a salary dump, but they did a poor job in roster picks

    5) Drai and CmD deals will be looked back as amazing, allowing smarter group to build on foundation

    6) Sek was a massive get (all Chia) and his 2-year injury and salary cap really set the team back on a number of levels: from the G, to slotting D properly, to offence, to not being able to plan

    – Chia was “in charge”: I would have waited untill end of season to fire him, and without the OBC this is likely what would have happened.Chia was surrounded by clowns, and did not bring in meaningful hockey people to replace them, because he couldn’t.

    – At least he’s the first fired OIL GM in the last 20 years to not still be employed by the org

    – Chia didn’t just announce to the team that he got Strome for Ebs, etc: it was all done collectively: Coach and Chia aren’t cutting off the head, merely a small tentacle.

    * we are raising a generation of snowflake children: school’s cancelled mid-day, state of emergency: what a joke

    Tambellini isn’t with the Oilers organization.

  77. Jethro Tull says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Given all of the predictions, “If we were told in October that in early February we would only be 4pts out of last place, we’d all have taken it!”

    KIIIIDDDIING!

    *throws jersey and runs*

  78. Bag of Pucks says:

    One thing this team should do to improve, if the headless corpse known as the OBC remains, is stop signing or trading for fading vets from lousy teams AND stop drafting projects.

    It takes a healthy functioning organization to leverage those types of acquisitions into productive NHLers.

    Chiasson works cos he just came out of a Stanley Cup winner and his attitude, work habits and coachability are likely sound. Rieder on the other hand was deemed expendable by the Arizona frickin’ Coyotes. Despite a very enticing toolset, JP was passed over by a Finn GM who knew a project pick when he saw it. Conversely, Tkachuk a plug and play Top 6 W raised in a North American pro ready environment since birth is left to a slide by an org that couldn’t develop its way out of a darkroom.

    This org is dumb and they compound the issue by trying to take on the tougher tasks than only smart orgs can succeed with. It’s time to take away the sharp objects and get back to colouring between the lines.

  79. Tarkus says:

    northof51:
    Unpopular opinion warning…

    A lot of backlash to the jersey throwing, but I welcome it. Tier 1 fans (a group to which I do NOT belong) have earned the right to throw their jerseys. They have paid exorbitant amounts of money to attend games and buy merchandise. Express your opinion in any non-violent, non-destructive way you desire. Paying fans need to do something to get their message across because the Tier II fans aren’t having enough of an impact on ownership.

    That said, my preference would be that people just stop buying tickets and merch, but then that would be akin to treason Edmonton.

    That closing sentiment is exactly what Katz is banking on. Support your team or lose it. Edmontonians, not wanting a reprise of the Michael Largue / Lester Mittendorf shenanigans, will continue to pack the house and shell out for merch.

    And yet, if Oilers fans do somehow vote with their feet, Katz will have a pretext for potentially moving the team away from Edmonton.

    I don’t know a way out of this.

    EDIT: After reading further up the thread, there’s apparently some sort of 35-year arena deal which prohibits Katz from moving the team. But I just wonder if there isn’t some loophole Katz and his legal team couldn’t exploit to get out of said deal. The uber-rich will always find a way to weasel their way out of any contract they no longer deem useful.

  80. Oil2Oilers says:

    Hopefully the last three games clarifies minds in the Oilers ‘brain trust’ and they see themselves a seller’s not buyers at the deadline.

    For big trades in the summer that might give the team a chance of the playoffs next year;

    1st pick, Russell + Bear for Colton Parayko

    Lucic for Jeff Carter (another bad contact but a chance he can play third line center)

    If Reggie’s wheels have recovered make Nurse available for a scoring winger.

  81. Primetime says:

    I know that Philly is just trying to get rid of Lehtera’s salary with nothing coming back, but assuming he passes through waivers unclaimed…

    I would consider seeing what garbage I could send their way to equal salary for the rest of the year and play him with JP for the rest of the year. Veteran Finnish centre, playmaker, contract up at end of season. Hitch would know him from St. Louis…unless he hated him there, which in that case, they could add Rattie to the line as well and give them 2-4 minutes a night depending on Hitch’s mood….

  82. godot10 says:

    Krueger has been running an English premier league team.

    Replace Nicholson with him. If you want to push out the entrenched management.

    Krueger, plus a new GM, Keith Gretzky as AGM, Hitchcock…would be a start. The new GM might hire a different coach. That would be okay.

    Lowe would certainly be ceremonial then. MacT and company would be gone.

    If Nicholson stays, all we are getting is another figurehead GM like Tambellini or Chiarelli.

  83. Sierra says:

    Jethro Tull: Life…uh……finds a way.

    Sure, the City of Edmonton will stand-by and let it happen.

    Not-A-Chance

  84. flyfish1168 says:

    Jay Feaster says “Hello and I’m still right” nothing like wondering in the desert.

    Phlegm fans are laughing

    This should be enough to get Oiler fans angry enough to call for change and get the attention of Katz.
    I’m sick of this. But I’m to loyal and continue watching and going to games. Things got
    to change fast.

  85. godot10 says:

    Jethro Tull: And that is the ammo for the move to Seattle…..or Kansas. But I understand the sentiment. The league would love McDavid in another market.

    Katz’s fellow owners are not going to give up their share of a $650 million dollar expansion fee to allow him to go to Seattle.

    Quebec City is probably the only market the NHL would let an existing franchise move too, because an expansion franchise is not feasible there because $650 million dollars is a non-starter for that market.

  86. Jethro Tull says:

    Sierra: Sure, the City of Edmonton will stand-by and let it happen.

    Not-A-Chance

    The super-tough negotiators that got Katz to pay for his own arena?

  87. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10: Katz’s fellow owners are not going to give up their share of a $650 million dollar expansion fee to allow him to go to Seattle.

    Didn’t mean Seattle literally. More figuratively. But empty seats equals stupid decisions.

  88. mustang says:

    Everyone seems to know it and a lot have known for a long long time. Katz needs to look in the mirror and decide what he wants. Does he want a playground for his heroes from the past to make this once proud organization into the biggest joke in sports history(which I’m sure it is already)? Or does he want to surround the best player in the world with competent management and teammates? He really needs to answer this question. I feel for the players, mostly 97, the kid doesn’t deserve this mess.

  89. Oil2Oilers says:

    godot10:
    Krueger has been running an English premier league team.

    Replace Nicholson with him.If you want to push out the entrenched management.

    Krueger, plus a new GM, Keith Gretzky as AGM, Hitchcock…would be a start.The new GM might hire a different coach.That would be okay.

    Lowe would certainly be ceremonial then.MacT and company would be gone.

    If Nicholson stays, all we are getting is another figurehead GM like Tambellini or Chiarelli.

    Krueger is a global leader in team building. He would be an excellent replacement for Nicholson.

  90. Andy Dufresne says:

    Here’s the 2019-2020 starting lineup for YOUR EDMONTON OILERS!

    Forwards:

    Adderall, Attivan, LSD

    Ritalin, Xanax, THC

    Oxycodone Fentanyl Ecstasy

    Valium Percocet Amphetamine (couldnt even think of a drug that rhymes; homage to Alice Cooper)

    Defense:

    Jack Daniels Glen Fiddich

    Remy Martin Jim Beam

    Hiram Walker Segram Walker (the Walker bothers)

    Johnny Walker

    Goalie: Benzodiazepine

    SURELY a team owned by Daryl Katz can get this done!

  91. Bag of Pucks says:

    Oil2Oilers: Krueger is a global leader in team building. He would be an excellent replacement for Nicholson.

    It’s worth looking up his Skype number if nothing else.

  92. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Hey, at least the weather’s nice.

    This is great.

  93. frjohnk says:

    Holy Shit.

    Jack NEEDS to be a guest on your show LT.

  94. Woogie63 says:

    frjohnk: Those players are not good enough for a lineup that is shitty at the bottom end.

    A waste of 10% of cap space.

    We are playing Reider with zero goals, Matt Benning and some guy named Gravel that nobody heard of until September. How much could the downside be?

  95. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Out of the ex-GMs available (I am guessing this is the type Bobby hires) who is the most palatable? Lombardi? Feaster? Milbury? Burke? McTavish?

  96. Munny says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Also, it’s a sad indictment that we’re so used to getting screwed by video replay that more isn’t being made about that absolutely horrendous call.

    It’s tough to blame a defensive pairing when the goalie was impeded from making a save. Not to mention the effect on in-game morale.

  97. GriffCity says:

    Wow. I was going to change the channel last night after that collapse but I decided to keep watching to see just how bad things would get, and they got pretty bad. This team sucks. 2 very good players with one being great and 2-3 ok to slightly above average players and a bunch of bums. that is the makeup of this team. Woof.

  98. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Coiler,

    – And there was a logic that was apparent in the moves that hurt most: but a combination of a lack of actual hockey acumen and bad luck ensued:

    1) Draft picks for “NHL ready D” (which Chia was expecting)

    2) Healthy 45-50 point Lucic to replace injury prone “problem child” Hall +RHD Larsson and cap space = better mix for team

    3) Ebs exposed in playoffs, and his regular season scoring was erratic and padded, so dump him and get cheaper help

    4) Wait for Sek to come back (twice), because his cap was uncertain

    – We are where we are mostly because
    1 = nuthin’,
    2 = 1 1/2 season of the Lucic +/- as expected then massive cliff, 7th rounder a pipe-dream
    3 = nuthin’
    4 = Sek = bad luck but healthy Sek for 4 years (and not 2), would have been massive

    * and I’d add that Talbot with his 1st shot propensity: he wasn’t a goalie to be relied upon when team could have used stand-on-head G (he’s a “normal goalie” who is fine when team is fine, but not elite)

  99. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    godot10: Tambellini isn’t with the Oilers organization.

    – Yeah they traded up for Howson….

  100. HugThePost says:

    I’ve actually lost track of who I should be mad at and for what.

    What I know for certain is the Oilers make me sad.

  101. Halfwise says:

    BONE207:
    What’s with all the dissent folks?

    I watch the games & laugh.
    The league looks at this team & laughs (imagine Caggiula last night with a beer in hand)
    I read this blog & laugh.

    I know. I’m weak. I have no passion left. I’m broken…

    I’m a Lowetide fan more than an Oiler fan these days.

    LT doesn’t build me up buttercup just to let me down, the way this team does.

  102. fistycuff says:

    JimmyV1965,

    When I heard we got Karsson I just knew the playoffs were right around the corner. Hopefully he gets us there. Does anyone know if he can play goal too? Cause having a guy like that would be fuggin awesome.

  103. StixMalone says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Out of the ex-GMs available (I am guessing this is the type Bobby hires) who is the most palatable? Lombardi? Feaster? Milbury? Burke? McTavish?

    None of the above please….

  104. mustang says:

    This owner and his management crew are destroying my love and passion for the Oilers, and hockey in general. Wonder if Katz Jr. can restore order, can’t do any worse.

  105. Yeti says:

    godot10: Tambellini isn’t with the Oilers organization.

    A shame. The team would have way more poise if he was.

  106. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Out of the ex-GMs available (I am guessing this is the type Bobby hires) who is the most palatable? Lombardi? Feaster? Milbury? Burke? McTavish?

    – Bob and Yzerman go way back from the Hockey Canada/World Hockey Championship’s where Steve was the GM under Bob’s watch

    – He won’t come, but I bet Stevie Y would at least share some truth bombs with Bob

  107. jtblack says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    “– And there was a logic that was apparent in the moves that hurt most: but a combination of a lack of actual hockey acumen and bad luck ensued:”

    +1.

    The problems were that some of the more important mistakes were riskier AT THE TIME.

    The logic on a lot of PC’s deals were fine, but you can’t lose so many trades AND you can’t lose them so badly ….

    Getting Nothing over and over has just depleted the roster.

    1) Some of PC’s moves were indefensible at the time, and still are today. I have never understood the Reinhart deal
    I never understood the Russell 4×4 w/NMC
    I have never don’t understand the Manning trade.
    I certainly can’t understand the Koskinen deal.

    Those are the crystal clear head scratchers. then add up all the other LOSS of talent moves and you end up with a warm pile of ………………..

  108. russ99 says:

    Mark Spector
    @SportsnetSpec
    Glen Gulutzan running Oilers practice today, while Hitchcock watches with Gretzky and Howson.

    12:22pm · 6 Feb 2019

    Whoa! I wonder if the players went over his head…

  109. Dr. Taboggan says:

    jtblack,

    The Reinhart deal I think is easily the worst deal Chia ever made. So depressing to think about. We could have two top prospects or two cost controlled NHLers right now. Instead we have fuck all. That trade set this team back 2-3 years.

    But I agree, the Russell, Koski, and Manning deals are all dogshit too.

  110. Dr. Taboggan says:

    StixMalone,

    I know, but it is Bobby doing the hiring.

  111. New Improved Darkness says:

    All this naive belief in management change is like treating a dangerous case of diarrhea by flushing twice with bleach in between—because as we’ve all all known since long before the invention of the optical microscope, 99% of intestinal illness is transmitted by shared toilet seats.

    Entire villages in India are still on the old system, with a private spade turning a private hole for every transaction, so as to minimize the sharing of warm planks.

    And then, when the epidemic does set in (surprisingly often, given the blanket precautions), you know each person well and truly deserved it—on unquestionable, individual merit.

    ———

    After cleaning house:

    * first two years: clear out bad contracts; get the new house in order
    * another year: turns out there was more rot than we first suspected
    * another year: the changes we put in motion in years two and three are still gaining momentum
    * another two years: McDavid wanting out after year four was beyond our control, but we got five solid assets in return

    At that point, how many of the hotheads calling for a double flush will still be here? No, somehow by then I suspect, we’ll have a new batch of hotheads calling for Double Flush 2.0.

    ———

    For my money, I’d far rather put every damn leaf of spinach under a high-powered microscope until we find Patient Zero—which will quite possibly turn out to have been grown right across the fence from a traditional community of old-school dig-it-yourselfers.

    Ours is not to reason why,
    Our is but to do or die.

    While many hygienic loners are sharing the Charmin via an ancient Tibetan stretch pass, high above the filth-crowded trench of the delayed kerplop where I do my business, we’ll be sharing out a box of glass cover slips, alongside all the plastic wrap and tiny spoons secret Santa can sneak in through the overhead vent fan (secret Santa dabs his sweaty brow: three cheers for greenie-wienies with under-provisioned solar panels!—these being by far his favourite pit stops).

    At least here in Canada, that’s what I’d do. Over in Europe, they’ve already stretched the bar in banning single-use plastic items across the board.

  112. stephen sheps says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    yup, your description is pretty much spot on here on every point (other than the cancelled school thing – as an educator, trust me I’m thrilled with the ice-related snow day. transit’s a mess in the GTA right now.) Points 3, 4 and 6 in particular really stand out. It’s bad. That so many of the decisions were made collectively (or at least were likely to be made collectively) demonstrates that the entire management structure is broken. The calls are coming from inside the house, as it were.

    LT posted an article on the Athletic this morning that really gets to the root of the management issues. Katz has to show up and clean house.

    One of my favourite sports writers of all time, Hunter S. Thompson (yes, he was a sports writer first, a political writer second and a counter-cultural icon third) often used the phrase ‘Kill the head and the body will die”, but in the case of the Oilers, the organization is just like a hydra – kill one head and new one will grow in its place. What kills a hydra? Well, it’s complicated… https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_(mythology)

    I don’t think we have a Hercules

    Andy Dufresne:
    Here’s the 2019-2020 starting lineup for YOUR EDMONTON OILERS!

    Forwards:

    Adderall, Attivan,LSD

    Ritalin,Xanax,THC

    Oxycodone FentanylEcstasy

    Valium PercocetAmphetamine (couldnt even think of a drug that rhymes; homage to Alice Cooper)

    Defense:

    Jack DanielsGlen Fiddich

    Remy Martin Jim Beam

    Hiram WalkerSegram Walker (the Walker bothers)

    Johnny Walker

    Goalie: Benzodiazepine

    SURELY a team owned by Daryl Katz can get this done!

    I think this song is what you’re looking for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvDZuptvupk

    Also, we need to talk about your whiskey choices… if those are the equivalencies for the defence next year, the team is just as screwed.

  113. Bruce McCurdy says:

    dustrock:
    Talbot didn’t return to the bench after he was pulled?

    Sounds like what this team really needs is an injection of *checks notes* character?

    Oh sorry, misread that, they cheaped out on the Rogers Place construction and used lead pipes from China, so it really is something in the water.

    Maybe that explains the perennially crappy ice.

  114. stephen sheps says:

    Also – now that I’ve logged in, it’s time for the Weekly Yak.

    SKA played in 2 games this week, sadly getting shut out in both. Therefore no changes to report for my son.

    He now stands at 41GP, 20-9-29.

    Once again, Yak has 20 goals. 6 games remain the SKA regular season. Yak should score at least a couple more before the playoffs.

    This has been the Weekly Yak

    End transmission

  115. Primetime says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Coiler,

    2)Healthy 45-50 point Lucic to replace injury prone “problem child” Hall +RHD Larsson and cap space = better mix for team

    I know it’s long been debated on this forum whether you should consider the Lucic signing as part of the equation/decision to trade Hall. But if you do, there was no addition of capspace…Hall=Lucic and Larson’s cap hit was added to the team.

    Ebs was supposed to be the cap dump…

  116. SwedishPoster says:

    frjohnk:
    When Koskinen had his heater, I said we need to be aware as we have seen goalie heaters before.Scrivens had a .916 save% in 21 games with the Oilers in 13-14.
    The next season he had a .890 in 57 games

    Koskinen had a similar track record to Nilsson before both came to the NHL.

    Ander Nilsson first 16 games for Oilers 15-16
    Save % of .922
    Rest of season with Oilers
    Save % of .857

    Mikko Koskinen first 16 games with Oilers this season
    Save % of .929
    Rest of season with Oilers up until today ( 14 appearances)
    Save % of .875

    Koskinen is now sporting a .906 save% on the year.He is gonna be paid like a starter this fall, crazy thing is that the Oilers might have to be looking for an actual starter.Well, its not crazy, this is the Oilers, its normal.

    I have to protest against the statement that Koskinen and Nilsson had similar track records before coming ovwr. It’s just not true. Koskinen was held in far higher regard than Nilsson ever was in europe before coming over. Koskinen was a star. Nilsson had one season in the KHL where he played really well for a very strong defensive team. And one good SHL season a couple of years before that, in between he had a failed NA attempt. Nilsson was younger when coming over so he had that but he was in no way an established star like Koskinen with several strong seasons in the KHL and internationally, pretty widely regarded as the best goalie in europe.

    As I’ve mentioned before I still think he has it in him to be a good NHL goalie, imo he has the tools just needs some tweaks, with the caveat that goalies are extremely difficult to predict ofc and I’m certainly not much of a goalie evaluator to start.

  117. Primetime says:

    Talbot starts again tomorrow…

    This team does not seem to follow any logical pattern on any decision…..

    Was Koski signed to be our starter for the next THREE years or not?

    Is this doing another “solid” for an outgoing player like Gryba?

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    Talbot starts against Minny.

    Kind of a shocker.

    Although I’m not one that generally believes in “showcasing” this might be in the name thereof.

  119. Dustylegnd says:

    Primetime:
    Talbot starts again tomorrow…

    This team does not seem to follow any logical pattern on any decision…..

    Post game Montreal….Hitch ….we got to have a save

    He is pissed with Koskinen to the nth degree…also Talbot currently worthless…they keep playing Talbot and praying he catches fire so as to gain some sort of value

  120. Professor Q says:

    I think one of the most disappointing parts of these losses is that they actually play well for the middle parts of the games.

    They let the first few shots go in, then dominate, and then collapse into oblivion.

    Truly baffling.

    Make a decision to be either terrible or actually a good team.

  121. YKOil says:

    Hard to enumerate how many things about Chia’s reign that drive me around the bend.

    Minnesota is looking for a center and is willing to give up Niederreiter… yet we JUST traded Strome for Spooner. Strome represents a RHC and $2.15 million in Cap savings for Minnesota. Surely there was some sort of deal there? Strome and a 2nd rounder?

    Klefbom just came back and Sekera is a couple of weeks away (at most) yet we trade for TWO depth defensemen?

    Teams are looking for depth scoring this deadline yet we JUST traded Caggiula for Manning. Surely Caggiula was worth more than a 6th d-man no one else wanted?

    And then the Koskinen contract. If it had to be signed at all, what should have been something like 2 years at $4 million or 3 years at $3.5 million becomes the worst of all worlds at 3 years at $4.5 million. Up until the signing the team had TWO GOALIES AVAILABLE TO TRADE if things went downhill in the standings.

    Basically, going into a trade deadline where there is bound to be a massive amount of activity… Chia dumped half of our ammo stock in the f&*king garbage. It is mindboggling how Chia drove this team into the ground practically right up until his very last day in the office.

    Realized today that I genuinely loath the man. I really do.

  122. ArmchairGM says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: I bet Stevie Y would at least share some truth bombs with Bob

    Stevie Y would make an excellent consultant. This way he doesn’t have to move north or commit to any term.

    Make it happen, Bob.

  123. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Silent Sorrow in Empty Boats, such an evocative title. It’s from the fabulous Genesis concept album The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. Peter Gabriel’s last with the prog rock giant before he took his insights & his poetry on a solo journey.

    The song of that title is an instrumental, but it’s a lyric from the preceding song, The Lamia (“three vermilion snakes of female face, their smallest motion filled with grace”) who encounter the protagonist, make love to him, then die before his eyes. He mourns:

    Each empty snakelike body floats
    Silent sorrow in empty boats
    A sickly sourness fills the room
    The bitter harvest of a dying bloom
    Looking for motion I know I will not find
    I stroke the curls, now turning pale, in which I’d lain entwined…

    Oh, those Oilers.

  124. ArmchairGM says:

    russ99:
    Mark Spector
    @SportsnetSpec
    Glen Gulutzan running Oilers practice today, while Hitchcock watches with Gretzky and Howson.

    12:22pm · 6 Feb 2019

    Whoa! I wonder if the players went over his head…

    Probably Hitch wanted a different perspective.

  125. Scungilli Slushy says:

    It seems like the Oilers franchise faces an epic quest that has has about the same odds as the Australians at Gallipoli.

    It isn’t really like that, unless the oblivious and overly loyal king leaves the clueless aristocracy in charge for the coming battles.

    The Oilers have long over valued things in players that don’t matter much on the ice, and they will not opening their eyes to see how it doesn’t work. Somebody Or somebodies thinks if play is poor more truculence will fix it , see Manning and Lucic.

    Also the deep almost unnatural love of shot blocking. Yes players should do it at times, but letting the goalies his job is important too. Getting in lanes is key, if you do that they don’t take the shot. Blocking a lot means you don’t have the puck and can’t get it back.

    To me this all comes down to who they put in as POHO. If it’s Nicholson remaining there or some guy with a rep from a different era and a Hockey Canada pedigree we’re screwed, again.

    If it’s someone with experience in one of the truly well run orgs (few) that has been adapting with the league there is a chance for change. If that happens and the NGM can make positive trades the ship will right fast. As in being competitive, I don’t see that as a hard challenge if the right approach is taken, getting to Cup contender is a real hill for all teams.

  126. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Talbot starts against Minny.

    Kind of a shocker.

    Although I’m not one that generally believes in “showcasing” this might be in the name thereof.

    It could make sense….if they hadn’t already signed Koski.

  127. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    ArmchairGM,

    – Hey management is learning: at least MacT isn’t on the bench getting a better look….

  128. Sierra says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Bob and Yzerman go way back from the Hockey Canada/World Hockey Championship’s where Steve was the GM under Bob’s watch

    – He won’t come, but I bet Stevie Y would at least share some truth bombs with Bob

    Stevie Y is still employed by the Lightening so I doubt he’s doing much, if any, sharing with Bob.

  129. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Also I’m done with Hitch. I’d there is a chance he’s such a dick off the ice nobody ever likes him it’s notvworth it . That ship sailed long ago, and guys using that style have about the same future prospects as staged fighters had a few years ago.

    It isn’t necessary, never was, but I cannot see the new generation responding at all to being angrily blasted with criticism and F bombs daily. The coach has to be seen as the right guy by Connor, and Connor has to really want to partner with him, and the rest will be on board.

    If there is any schism in that relationship they will never achieve their nirvana of ‘culture ‘ and ‘character ‘.

    Thee are basic management and leadership skills loads of people here know and use daily, not really mysterious to anyone but the Oilers and other lame franchises:

  130. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    YKOil:
    Hard to enumerate how many things about Chia’s reign that drive me around the bend.

    Minnesota is looking for a center and is willing to give up Niederreiter… yet we JUST traded Strome for Spooner.Strome represents a RHC and $2.15 million in Cap savings for Minnesota.Surely there was some sort of deal there?Strome and a 2nd rounder?

    Klefbom just came back and Sekera is a couple of weeks away (at most) yet we trade for TWO depth defensemen?

    Teams are looking for depth scoring this deadline yet we JUST traded Caggiula for Manning.Surely Caggiula was worth more than a 6th d-man no one else wanted?

    And then the Koskinen contract.If it had to be signed at all, what should have been something like 2 years at $4 million or 3 years at $3.5 million becomes the worst of all worlds at 3 years at $4.5 million.Up until the signing the team had TWO GOALIES AVAILABLE TO TRADE if things went downhill in the standings.

    Basically, going into a trade deadline where there is bound to be a massive amount of activity… Chia dumped half of our ammo stock in the f&*king garbage.It is mindboggling how Chia drove this team into the ground practically right up until his very last day in the office.

    Realized today that I genuinely loath the man.I really do.

    Agreed. But it wasn’t just him making these decisions. He was the trigger man and the face but supported by the committee

  131. Primetime says:

    First line at practice today:

    Reider- McDavid – Draisaitl

    They are loading up! Powerhouse 1st line…62 goals between the THREE of them! LOL

  132. greenshifter says:

    russ99:
    Mark Spector
    @SportsnetSpec
    Glen Gulutzan running Oilers practice today, while Hitchcock watches with Gretzky and Howson.

    12:22pm · 6 Feb 2019

    Whoa! I wonder if the players went over his head…

    Hitch has hit a wall.

  133. Jethro Tull says:

    Munny: It’s tough to blame a defensive pairing when the goalie was impeded from making a save.Not to mention the effect on in-game morale.

    Talbot tried to push over and couldn’t because of the Hawk’s foot in his pads.

  134. Munny says:

    Well, there is those rumours floating around that the players hate Hitch.

    So maybe he’s taking a step back? He knows he’s not here next year anyways.

  135. pts2pndr says:

    Tarkus: That closing sentiment is exactly what Katz is banking on.Support your team or lose it.Edmontonians, not wanting a reprise of the Michael Largue / Lester Mittendorf shenanigans, will continue to pack the house and shell out for merch.

    And yet, if Oilers fans do somehow vote with their feet, Katz will have a pretext for potentially moving the team away from Edmonton.

    I don’t know a way out of this.

    EDIT: After reading further up the thread, there’s apparently some sort of 35-year arena deal which prohibits Katz from moving the team.But I just wonder if there isn’t some loophole Katz and his legal team couldn’t exploit to get out of said deal.The uber-rich will always find a way to weasel their way out of any contract they no longer deem useful.

    Then they should start with the Lucic contract!

  136. northof51 says:

    mustang:
    Everyone seems to know it and a lot have known for a long long time. Katz needs to look in the mirror and decide what he wants. Does he want a playground for his heroes from the past to make this once proud organization into the biggest joke in sports history(which I’m sure it is already)? Or does he want to surround the best player in the world with competent management and teammates?He really needs to answer this question. I feel for the players, mostly 97, the kid doesn’t deserve this mess.

    +1

  137. Professor Q says:

    Munny:
    Well, there is those rumours floating around that the players hate Hitch.

    So maybe he’s taking a step back?He knows he’s not here next year anyways.

    What rumours?

  138. Professor Q says:

    Jethro Tull: Talbot tried to push over and couldn’t because of the Hawk’s foot in his pads.

    Players are allowed to mess with Talbot’s pads, apparently.

  139. russ99 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    ArmchairGM,

    – Hey management is learning: at least MacT isn’t on the bench getting a better look….

    ROFLMAO!

    And glaring at the players.

  140. Bank Shot says:

    “That closing sentiment is exactly what Katz is banking on.Support your team or lose it.”

    I kind of hope the Oilers move out of town at this point.

    Then Edmonton could replace them with a team worth following.

  141. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Management to players: Don’t worry, we got Coach some help, it’s playoff time”: Player’s “Nope”

    – Management to players: “Don’t worry, we got you better players, it’s playoff time”: Player’s “Nope”

    – Management to players: ” Don’t worry, we got you a new coach, it’s playoff time”: Players: “Nope”

    – Management to players: “Don’t worry, we got rid of the GM, its’s playoff time”: Players: “Nope”

    – Player’s to Management: “This is on you, this toxic environment sucks” Management: “Need more Oil Culture, look how much we do for you, all you do is fail us always, we are playoff team you fools, try harder, and your character sucks”

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    I guess Talbot said today that he was wrong to stay in the room and that he apologized to to guys – he was “cooling off”. I assume he was made at Hitch for the pull.

    On Talbot starting tomorrow:

    Ryan Rishaug

    Verified account

    @TSNRyanRishaug
    9m9 minutes ago

    Said Hitch had a team meeting this morning, sat next to Talbot and told the team Cam was starting next game. Other players echoed the sentiment today that they’ve been hanging goalies out to dry, and need to be better for them.

  143. GMB3 says:

    Should just let Viveiros take the helm rest of the season.

    How has Drai-Nuge not been more of a thing this year? To me it seems like the only realistic way to cobble together two lines that break even. I’m not sure what the numbers say about those two together but I’d imagine if given some time together they would be at the bare minimum an average second line

  144. HT Joe says:

    Jethro Tull: And that is the ammo for the move to Seattle…..or Kansas. But I understand the sentiment. The league would love McDavid in another market.

    Bring it.
    https://www.edmonton.ca/attractions_events/rogers_place/the-agreement.aspx
    “EAC will operate Rogers Place and pay all operating and maintenance expenses, and will receive all operating revenues, including naming rights and parking revenue.”
    “A location agreement signed as part of the deal keeps the Edmonton Oilers Hockey Club in Edmonton for 35 years.”

    So, correct my ignorance if I’m wrong, but it looks like if the Oilers get moved out of Edmonton, that would end the Agreement between the City of Edmonton and the EAC. As a result, the EAC would lose control of the Arena and the non-hockey revenues. Do I have that right?

  145. russ99 says:

    GMB3,

    Not sure they even tried that this year,

    Not a fan of the three centers thing, we don’t have enough below average wingers for all three lines much less good players.

  146. DBO says:

    Couple questions.
    1. Can you buyout a contract before it takes effect? Like Koskinens?
    2. Shouldn’t there be something in the CBA that allows a return of player option if you fire your GM. Say like anything he did the last 7 days can be reversed.
    3. How many picks will we have to add to deals to divest ourselves of our cap hell?
    4. Deal everyone who is a free agent next year. All of them. And deal Kassian, Manning and Spooner and add whatever picks you need to do it. Cause those off the books frees up all the space you need to overpay an older winger. …. wait. Fuck.

    Maybe Chiarelli’s last gift is the cap hell next year. No room to sign someone stupidly.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    I am as down on this team for this year as anyone else but I find comments about “McDavid will be the best player to never win a cup” and “how long until McDavid demands out” so overly catastrophic, it makes it hard to take some of them serious – and they often come from smart posters/people I do respect.

    McDavid turned 22 weeks ago, I’m thinking projections about him going cupless are a tiny bit premature, like 10 years.

    Not to mention the roster can be turned in to a cup contender within 2 years (well, 3, 2 years until the boat anchor contracts fall away (except for 1)) as long as management doesn’t make further moves to cripple the cap situation in that time.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Dom Luszczyszyn playoff Probability update

    Edmonton Oiler’s 13% probability

    So, you are saying there is a chance…….

  149. Jethro Tull says:

    HT Joe: Bring it.
    https://www.edmonton.ca/attractions_events/rogers_place/the-agreement.aspx
    “EAC will operate Rogers Place and pay all operating and maintenance expenses, and will receive all operating revenues, including naming rights and parking revenue.”
    “A location agreement signed as part of the deal keeps the Edmonton Oilers Hockey Club in Edmonton for 35 years.”

    So, correct my ignorance if I’m wrong, but it looks like if the Oilers get moved out of Edmonton, that would end the Agreement between the City of Edmonton and the EAC.As a result, the EAC would lose control of the Arena and the non-hockey revenues.Do I have that right?

    Hmmmm. It doesn’t say whether the Edmonton Oilers Hockey club has to be an NHL franchise……

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bar_Qu:
    smellyglove,

    Trade some vets, including Russel, Nurse, Kassian, Lucic (if possible), Brodziak and whomever else gets better than a 7th is the only play left. I include Nurse because we have seen his ceiling and his trade value only goes down from here. Jones is nearly as good a D already, and has miles more potential.

    Its very interesting to me when posters/people speak about seeing Darnell’s ceiling (or any player, in particular d-man 25 and under) a mere hours after watching a great performance from Erik Gustaffson – a player who essentially has established himself as an NHL player and now a top 4 guy a few months before turning 27 and, at Darnell’s age, had been poor in his NHL games and was toiling in the AHL.

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    Godot may get his wish:

    Rieder-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Lucic-RNH-Chiasson
    Malone-Brodiak-Kassian
    Cave-Khaira-Puljujarvi

    Rattie isn’t on the ice – must be banged up/injured/sick

  152. jtblack says:

    in 2018 PC brought in the following players (*WARNING – try no to laugh).

    AL MONTOYA
    BRANDON DAVIDSON
    PONTUS ABERG
    J.D. DUDEK & 3rd
    3rd turned into MARODY
    NOLAN VESEY
    RYAN SPOONER
    CHRIS WIDEMAN
    BRANDON MANNING & ROBIN NORRELL
    ALEX PETROVIC

    Is ANYBODY surprised the team has not improved?

  153. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I am as down on this team for this year as anyone else but I find comments about “McDavid will be the best player to never win a cup” and “how long until McDavid demands out” so overly catastrophic, it makes it hard to take some of them serious – and they often come from smart posters/people I do respect.

    McDavid turned 22 weeks ago, I’m thinking projections about him going cupless are a tiny bit premature, like 10 years.

    Not to mention the roster can be turned in to a cup contender within 2 years (well, 3, 2 years until the boat anchor contracts fall away (except for 1)) as long as management doesn’t make further moves to cripple the cap situation in that time.

    +1.

    Ignore the bait OP.

  154. godot10 says:

    stephen sheps:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    LT posted an article on the Athletic this morning that really gets to the root of the management issues. Katz has to show up and clean house.

    One of my favourite sports writers of all time, Hunter S. Thompson (yes, he was a sports writer first, a political writer second and a counter-cultural icon third) often used the phrase ‘Kill the head and the body will die”, but in the case of the Oilers, the organization is just like a hydra – kill one head and new one will grow in its place. What kills a hydra? Well, it’s complicated… https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_(mythology)

    I don’t think we have a Hercules

    MacT tried to “kill” Krueger. But Krueger grew back bigger and stronger.

    Yzerman is not available. Krueger should replace Nicholson. Nicholson can replace Rene Fasel. He is waiting for that job anyways.

    Krueger made his Swiss owner hundreds of millions of dollars on a sketchy EPL team, if you want to know a little about turning a money pit into a money avalanche. (Hey…I’m trying to attract Katz’s attention,,,).

  155. godot10 says:

    Primetime:
    Talbot starts again tomorrow…

    This team does not seem to follow any logical pattern on any decision…..

    Was Koski signed to be our starter for the next THREE years or not?

    Is this doing another “solid” for an outgoing player like Gryba?

    They are trying to trade Talbot.

  156. Durag says:

    jtblack,

    I was just thinking about this – the guys brought in to shore up the defence at the start of the year were Garrison and Wideman, who have already been flushed. The guys brought in to shore up the defence in the middle of the season are Petrovic and Manning, who we spent assets and money to acquire, and now desperately wish we could flush.

    The notion that Chia knew he was going to be fired, so he burned the team down and flipped them the bird on the way out makes more sense than any alternative I can think of.

  157. OmJo says:

    who,

    Nicholson is an honorary member of the OBC. Unless he decided to resign and join Lowe on OEG Island, I can’t see him getting actually fired.

  158. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Durag,

    Wideman was a mid-season addition using a 2020 6th round pick.

    Gravel was a free agent signing, and has been alright in a 3rd pairing role.

  159. Bank Shot says:

    Durag,

    That’s your wish. The reality is that its a “management group” and Chiarelli was just the scapegoat.

    They’ll find another puppet soon and continue to do Oilers things.

  160. dustrock says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Maybe that explains the perennially crappy ice.

    It really is stunning, isn’t it?

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    The longer this goes on, the more I appreciate Slats as a team builder now.

    Can you imagine if we’d surrounded Gretzky with this cast of has beens and never was’s? Heresy.

    Without salary cap restraints, give the amount of cash our current owner is willing to spend on this team (burying salaries in the AHL, paying multiple expensive coaches, etc.), things would be a little different I would think.

  162. krakman says:

    Durag:
    jtblack,

    I was just thinking about this – the guys brought in to shore up the defence at the start of the year were Garrison and Wideman, who have already been flushed. The guys brought in to shore up the defence in the middle of the season are Petrovic and Manning, who we spent assets and money to acquire, and now desperately wish we could flush.

    The notion that Chia knew he was going to be fired, so he burned the team down and flipped them the bird on the way out makes more sense than any alternative I can think of.

    Most of the time the simplest explanation is the correct one,
    Chiarelli was a terrible G.M.

    I’m sure he got no help from the “braintrust” but he had the mandate to do what he wanted. Does anyone think that if Pete said i don’t want Mact and Howson or I don’t take the job Nicholson wouldn’t hire him? Remember Nicholson was hired to clean up the mess from Lowe and he gave Pete the president position not just gm.

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: They have Spooner, Marody, Russell, Gambardella, Lowe, Stanton…lots of Bakersfield guys to bring up without contaminating the young Bakersfield guys.

    I don’t want Marody, Russell, Joe G. off the Condors though as I want that team to have continued success and those are material players for the Condors.

    Spooner, yes, he should be playing nightly in the top 6 in Edmonton in the first instance.

  164. Dicky94 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    This is good. I thought for sure Talbot would have wanted out after last night. I didn’t agree with Hitch pulling him at that point in the game. Talbot deserves another shot.

  165. Wilde says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    * we are raising a generation of snowflake children: school’s cancelled mid-day, state of emergency: what a joke

    Raising them into snowflakes is especially violent considering how much faster they’ll melt under the climate change factors that were also ‘raised’ during the periods of their effective non-agency, before birth and beyond.

    Although I’ll also attack the premise by saying that if your reaction to the results of a weather event is to uh, shit on a generation via a tired talking point of AM radio reactionaries and facebook memes, maybe the sensitivity is all yours.

  166. jtblack says:

    Durag: The notion that Chia knew he was going to be fired, so he burned the team down and flipped them the bird on the way out makes more sense than any alternative I can think of.

    I don’t buy that notion at all … Can’t think of any person that could reach the level of being an NHL GM and yet think about sabotaging their own team?

    What I can believe is that PC painted himself into a CAP Corner with Inflated signings. McDavid and Drai were inflated, although will be fine. Those contracts captured their best years. But the Sekera, Lucic, Russell, Kassian, etc etc …

    Those deals left PC with NO wiggle room. He Capped himself out. So the only way he could try and make the team better was via waivers or nibbling around the edges in the trade market.

    He did it to himself. His last few moves were desperate attempts to save his job.

  167. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: Can you imagine if we’d surrounded Gretzky with this cast of has beens and never was’s?

    “Can you imagine if we’d surrounded Gretzky with this cast of has beens and never was’s?”

    Most of the talent surrounding Gretzky was drafted in 1980 & 1981 …. That represented the core for a decade. BUT, even with that advantage, SLATS did all the right things …

  168. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    krakman: Does anyone think that if Pete said i don’t want Mact and Howson or I don’t take the job Nicholson wouldn’t hire him?

    – Its actually the opposite: I don’t think anyone thinks that Pete had the authority or autonomy to punt MacT/Howson, etc. They are the continuity of the Oil Culture identified by Bob as tantamount

    – Real organizations don’t fire people on merit, then keep them. Empowered executives bring in their own people to facilitate change: in sport in particular.

    – Now I suppose it’s possible that Chia was such an idiot that he thought that the OBC was helpful and he valued them, had no conflict with their meddling, and didn’t believe there was anyone better

  169. Alpine says:

    They definitely liked Manning, don’t think that was a burn it all down trade. Chia drafted Spooner and knew his track record. He made moves he thought would work and they didn’t because he’s not the greatest judge of talent, and neither are the OBC.

  170. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I am as down on this team for this year as anyone else but I find comments about “McDavid will be the best player to never win a cup” and “how long until McDavid demands out” so overly catastrophic, it makes it hard to take some of them serious – and they often come from smart posters/people I do respect.

    McDavid turned 22 weeks ago, I’m thinking projections about him going cupless are a tiny bit premature, like 10 years.

    Not to mention the roster can be turned in to a cup contender within 2 years (well, 3, 2 years until the boat anchor contracts fall away (except for 1)) as long as management doesn’t make further moves to cripple the cap situation in that time.

    Well, that and from other fans of other teams who clearly want to capitalize and steal away – err, save, McDavid from such depths.

  171. OilersFuture says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I disagree on Russell and Joe G. The Oiler’s will need cheap forwards next season. The Oiler’s ‘braintrust’ should be evaluating those two and see if they are worth one-way deals and capable of playing a 12 – 14th forward role with the team.

  172. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I guess Talbot said today that he was wrong to stay in the room and that he apologized to to guys – he was “cooling off”. I assume he was made at Hitch for the pull.

    On Talbot starting tomorrow:

    Ryan Rishaug

    Verified account

    @TSNRyanRishaug9m9 minutes ago

    Said Hitch had a team meeting this morning, sat next to Talbot and told the team Cam was starting next game. Other players echoed the sentiment today that they’ve been hanging goalies out to dry, and need to be better for them.

    It was never anywhere near the Roy or even the Gibson situation, I felt. At least they have self-awareness, too.

    Actually, I think Quick also did this recently after being pulled. Very odd that three Western goaltenders have felt they had to leave completely after being pulled, non? Quick and Talbot apologized. Gibson did it after his 3rd pull and many goals, and hates his coach, so likely more justified than the other two.

  173. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Wilde: Raising them into snowflakes is especially violent considering how much faster they’ll melt under the climate change factors that were also ‘raised’ during the periods of their effective non-agency, before birth and beyond.

    Although I’ll also attack the premise by saying that if your reaction to the results of a weather event is to uh, shit on a generation via a tired talking point of AM radio reactionaries and facebook memes, maybe the sensitivity is all yours.

    – I’m not sure why you are going on about. I’m guessing you don’t have kids, and you are assuming my reference to snowflakes was a shot at you and your cohorts.

    Allow me to retort:

    – As a parent of young children , my concern is that closing down schools for what is not abnormal or dangerous weather, is emblematic of a culture that fosters a delicate, soft environment, for kids where they are protected from life’s harsh realities and responsibilities.

    – I get that it is inconvenient because the roads are slippery. But cancelling school for something as non-threatening as some sleet gives children the wrong message IMO: “a little cold outside, that’s ok, you don’t need to show up”.

    – Rather than deal with what is out there, the message is that the environment is very hostile, and you need to be protected from the harm that freezing rain may cause. And your parents will come rescue you from the perils of this weather, drop everything because your so precious

    – for what it’s worth, me and a bunch of parents emailed the school and told them to keep our kids for the rest of the day, we won’t be coming to rescue them, or drop everything as we too have obligations during the day and we will pick them up as per normal, and the kids can go out for recess and enjoy the cool weather patterns.

    – They don’t cancel work because of weather (unless extreme), and life doesn’t stop due to weather: that’s an important lesson to impart on Children IMO.

    – The only AM radio I listen to is the FAN, and I’m off to listen to Bobcat now, as I drive home after a day’s work: no one at work cancelled the day for me, and my clients didn’t give me the day off…

  174. Durag says:

    jtblack: I don’t buy that notion at all … Can’t think of any person that could reach the level of being an NHL GM and yet think about sabotaging their own team?

    I know, and I’m being facetious, it is just more mind-boggling that a man who has been an NHL GM for this long could be so spectacularly bad at it. The Manning trade for example, I can only imagine Chicago’s GM’s first response to Chiarelli calling about Manning was “fuck off, we’re not taking Lucic”. But nope, Pete just tossed them a big ol’ life preserver for a player I’m sure they were resigned to buying out.

  175. Durag says:

    Wilde: Raising them into snowflakes is especially violent considering how much faster they’ll melt under the climate change factors that were also ‘raised’ during the periods of their effective non-agency, before birth and beyond.

    Although I’ll also attack the premise by saying that if your reaction to the results of a weather event is to uh, shit on a generation via a tired talking point of AM radio reactionaries and facebook memes, maybe the sensitivity is all yours.

    To paraphrase John Cleese’s amazing tweet – snowflakes is a word used by sociopaths to discredit the notion of empathy.

  176. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Coiler,

    6) Sek was a massive get (all Chia) and his 2-year injury and salary cap really set the team back on a number of levels: from the G, to slotting D properly, to offence, to not being able to plan

    The loss of Sekera for, essentially, two years has been so massive and material, I don’t think it can be under-stated.

    I know its “on the GM” for not getting a “replacement” but that’s much easier said than done when the player’s cap hit doesn’t go away and the player is going to be coming back mid-season (removing the LTIR cushion).

    Tough to add an additional cap hit for $5M (give or take) to replace the player when the player is coming back.

    Anyways, I’m super excited to see what Sekera looks like for the rest of the year – I’m still not discounting the chances we may be “acquiring” a solid 2nd pairing guy.

  177. jtblack says:

    Durag: I know, and I’m being facetious, it is just more mind-boggling that a man who has been an NHL GM for this long could be so spectacularly bad at it. The Manning trade for example, I can only imagine Chicago’s GM’s first response to Chiarelli calling about Manning was “fuck off, we’re not taking Lucic”. But nope, Pete just tossed them a big ol’ life preserver for a player I’m sure they were resigned to buying out.

    hahaaha. Imagine Garth Snow when Pete called about Reinhart… “Hey, how about #33?” …

    Pete: “Sure. And #16 too” …. “Is Reinhart up with the Big Club right now?” … “Oh OK, well he will be with us.” “Book it.”

    —————–

    Pete ” Hi Chicago’s GM’s. Hey, How many games has Manning been scratched?”

    “10 straight you say?” … “We will take him!”

  178. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Rieder on the other hand was deemed expendable by the Arizona frickin’ Coyotes. Despite a very enticing toolset, JP was passed over by a Finn GM who knew a project pick when he saw it.

    To play Devils’ advicate:

    – Yes, Rieder was “deemed expendable” but that was b/c of the required costs to tender a QO – it doesn’t mean they weren’t interested in keeping the player at a lower cost – they have internal budget issues

    – Yes, Puljujarvi was known as a prospect that would likely need some time. That is fine, given potential, he was still very much acceptable as the pick at #3 – where management failed is not realizing that he “wasn’t ready” in so many ways and not giving him the right opportunities to develop in the proper leagues. It wasn’t the pick that was the issue, its the development.

  179. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: The loss of Sekera for, essentially, two years has been so massive and material, I don’t think it can be under-stated.

    I know its “on the GM” for not getting a “replacement” but that’s much easier said than done when the player’s cap hit doesn’t go away and the player is going to be coming back mid-season (removing the LTIR cushion).

    Tough to add an additional cap hit for $5M (give or take) to replace the player when the player is coming back.

    Anyways, I’m super excited to see what Sekera looks like for the rest of the year – I’m still not discounting the chances we may be “acquiring” a solid 2nd pairing guy.

    +1.

    Why doesn’t the rule just use the projected Cap Hit for the player for that season.

    IE: Sekera makes $5.5 Million. Team projects he will be back at the 50 game mark. Only 39% of his hit should count towards the Cap. Then the GM could at least utlitze the other $3.4 Mil

    Also, Sek has 2 more years at $5.5. So let’s hope he can regain Top 4 ability, or his contract COULD become another anchor

  180. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Koivu done for the rest of the year.

    MIN might slide back a bit.

    Good news for COL, VAN or ARI.

  181. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Gravel, Manning, Petrovic, are the symptoms of the disease that you have to physical first.

    Auvitu, if we’re pining for marginal players now gone, was really far better and a good coach could have smoothed his D game out. But a few mistakes and small and it’s on the pyre. Not that there aren’t tons of mistakes still. At least he could skate and pass.

    Spooner and Wideman were super weak Hail Mary’s when everyone was whining to Pete they couldn’t score.

    Please somebody with a clue this time.

  182. jtblack says:

    The Oilers are CAPPED out and yet 7 of the 13 roster forwards make less than $1.2 Million.

    Brodziak, Puljujarvi, Rattie, Cave, Khaira,Chiasson, Malone

    So my question to the Masses is :

    WHERE are the savings going to come from? need to move out Reider, Kassian and put ELC players in their spots next year …

    Trade Talbot (or don’t resign).

    Need to trade Manning or Benning or BOTH.

    The kids are going to have to play next year. It’s the only way forward.

    BENSON, BOUCHARD, YAMAMOTO are all in my starting lineup for next season.

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    Mark Spector
    @SportsnetSpec
    Glen Gulutzan running Oilers practice today, while Hitchcock watches with Gretzky and Howson.

    12:22pm · 6 Feb 2019

    Whoa! I wonder if the players went over his head…

    Hitch essentially said it was because he had yelled at them enough the previous night that they needed a break from his voice.

    Ya, I don’t think that’s good either.

    He’s already gotten stale with the players, I think (based off of nothing concrete).

  184. Durag says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Koivu done for the rest of the year.

    MIN might slide back a bit.

    Good news for COL, VAN or ARI.

    The West just keeps daring the Oilers to jump up and take that playoff spot no one wants.

  185. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3:
    Should just let Viveiros take the helm rest of the season.

    How has Drai-Nuge not been more of a thing this year? To me it seems like the only realistic way to cobble together two lines that break even. I’m not sure what the numbers say about those two together but I’d imagine if given some time together they would be at the bare minimum an average second line

    Very good in 30 minutes with McDavid including 4GF and 1GA

    Awful in 30 minutes without McDavid – 30% possession metrics along with 1GF and 3GA (no, Lucic was not the other winger).

  186. OriginalPouzar says:

    Well, no Mikko’s at all for the game tomorrow – Koivu is done for the year (torn ACL plus meniscus).

  187. MADOIL says:

    jtblack,

    Bit late to the discussion but I have an issue with blaming every bad decision by the club to the Red Summit group. I think being a POHO and GM Chia would have had the power to make the final call on all hockey related decisions. Obviously he would have discussed the moves with the’ ‘committee’ but ultimately it must have been his decision. Being a GM of another franchise, I am sure he was aware of the interference from the oilers’ alumni in hockey operations before taking the job (and I think that is why he insisted on becoming the POHO as well).
    I believe he was a bad evaluator of talent as well because if he knew that the guys he was bringing in were bad (but he had to since this was decided by the BOTB) he would’ve realized that sooner or later the team would sink and he’d be fired, right? Why would some one dig their own grave?
    Also, he is / was a horrible negotiator. You’d think that given his difficulties in Boston he’d have had the sense to hire a capologist to help him make sense of how to manage the cap but I think he figured he could wing it himself.
    Bottom line, he’s left the franchise well and truly ‘effed.

  188. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “Good news for COL, VAN or ARI.”

    I see what you did there ……

  189. dustrock says:

    Durag: I know, and I’m being facetious, it is just more mind-boggling that a man who has been an NHL GM for this long could be so spectacularly bad at it. The Manning trade for example, I can only imagine Chicago’s GM’s first response to Chiarelli calling about Manning was “fuck off, we’re not taking Lucic”. But nope, Pete just tossed them a big ol’ life preserver for a player I’m sure they were resigned to buying out.

    Yes, Chia being a Jeremy Jacobs deep state plant to ruin Darryl Katz’s team because Katz hit on a waitress Jacobs was looking at makes more sense than anything else at this point.

    The weird thing is you could sorta kinda squint and defend Chia at the beginning (I’m a lawyer so lipstick on a pig comes with the territory oh hey potential clients reading this I’m not calling you specifically a pig, of course).

    The Reinhart trade looked like he was a bit coerced, at least, his face at the draft table didn’t look happy. Maybe it was a Green/Lowe/Mac T/Chia combo move. We know the previous amateur guys loved Reinhart.

    He signs Sekera, probably the best UFA move he’s ever done. He extends Klefbom (right? It was Chia I think) to a great extension, and though Hall for Larsson is terrible, at least getting the Oilers someone on Larsson’s level probably made sense. They needed defensive help.

    Then the Oilers go on the 2016 tear and somehow lose to the *spits* Ducks. What does Chiarelli say after that series? Something like “our defensive corps isn’t at the level of an Anaheim or a Nashville and that’s something we want to improve”.

    True statement. They need a better and more talented D corps.

    Since then, we’ve had Russell $4m x 4, Manning, Petrovic, Gravel, Auvitu, Gryba re-signed and bought out, Wideman, I’m probably missing some more bottom-pairing guys.

    The team is floundering and he adds Manning and Petrovic. Guys that can’t make other NHL teams probably aren’t going to help your own team make the playoffs magically.

    At least in Boston when he traded away the future, he was adding pieces like Horton, Recchi and Peverley who could actually contribute to the team on the Cup run. He was known as a GM who wasn’t afraid to make big trades.

    The rumored 4th for McDonagh trade is exactly what I would have expected from Chiarelli coming to the Oilers – adding a guy who could help now for selling some of the future.

    So his moves in the last year were just weird to me, tinkering just to tinker? Did he really think this roster was mostly ready to compete for the Cup, they just needed some bottom level forwards and D?

    I don’t even know where I’m going with this now, just that all of his moves, particularly those in the last year, were incomprehensible.

  190. jtblack says:

    MADOIL:
    jtblack,

    Bit late to the discussion but I have an issue with blaming every bad decision by the club to the Red Summit group. I think being a POHO and GM Chia would have had the power to make the final call on all hockey related decisions. Obviously he would have discussed the moves with the’ ‘committee’ but ultimately it must have been his decision. Being a GM of another franchise, I am sure he was aware of the interference from the oilers’ alumni in hockey operations before taking the job (and I think that is why he insisted on becoming the POHO as well).
    I believe he was a bad evaluator of talent as well because if he knew that the guys he was bringing in were bad (but he had to since this was decided by the BOTB) he would’ve realized that sooner or later the team would sink and he’d be fired, right? Why would some one dig their own grave?
    Also, he is / was a horrible negotiator. You’d think that given his difficulties in Boston he’d have had the sense to hire a capologist to help him make sense of how to manage the cap but I think he figured he could wing it himself.
    Bottom line, he’s left the franchise well and truly ‘effed.

    why was this directed at me? I lay all the Blame at PC’s feet. Don’t care who was or wasn’t in his ear. At the end of the day it is his responsibility

  191. Ryan says:

    MADOIL:
    jtblack,

    Bit late to the discussion but I have an issue with blaming every bad decision by the club to the Red Summit group. I think being a POHO and GM Chia would have had the power to make the final call on all hockey related decisions. Obviously he would have discussed the moves with the’ ‘committee’ but ultimately it must have been his decision. Being a GM of another franchise, I am sure he was aware of the interference from the oilers’ alumni in hockey operations before taking the job (and I think that is why he insisted on becoming the POHO as well).
    I believe he was a bad evaluator of talent as well because if he knew that the guys he was bringing in were bad (but he had to since this was decided by the BOTB) he would’ve realized that sooner or later the team would sink and he’d be fired, right? Why would some one dig their own grave?
    Also, he is / was a horrible negotiator. You’d think that given his difficulties in Boston he’d have had the sense to hire a capologist to help him make sense of how to manage the cap but I think he figured he could wing it himself.
    Bottom line, he’s left the franchise well and truly ‘effed.

    Good points.

    Even if every card carrying member of the Red Wine summits and Bob Green tell you to acquire Griffin Reinhart, it does’t mean that you have to trade the 15th and 33rd in the deepest draft in years to acquire him. He could have offered a lesser package or simply said that the price was too high.

    Even if you’re dead set on acquiring a 3/4 defenseman with skating limitations like Larsson, it doesn’t mean that you have to trade Taylor Hall to acquire him. He could have offered a lesser package or simply said that the price was too high.

    Even if you’re delusional to the point of thinking that Manning is going to improve your team, you don’t have to trade Caggiula straight across. Maybe you can get a pick or prospect back and some cap relief.

    Then there’s the litany of contracts that were poorly negotiated which fits Chiarelli’s MO. Those aren’t on the OBC.

  192. Wilde says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I’m not sure why you are going on about. I’m guessing you don’t have kids, and you are assuming my reference to snowflakes was a shot at you and your cohorts.

    Me thinking it was a shot at me and my ‘cohorts’ would be concerning, because I (barely) graduated from school a number of years ago.

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I get that it is inconvenient because the roads are slippery. But cancelling school for something as non-threatening as some sleet gives children the wrong message IMO: “a little cold outside, that’s ok, you don’t need to show up”.

    – Rather than deal with what is out there, the message is that the environment is very hostile, and you need to be protected from the harm that freezing rain may cause. And your parents will come rescue you from the perils of this weather, drop everything because your so precious

    I’ve just (very) briefly researched and found that the predominant issue is one of staff and student transportation: statements from schools are saying that teachers would have issues arriving to classes at a reasonable time and therefore there would be unsupervised classes (as you should know, dust would certainly be kicked up about this). Bus services were also shutting down, affecting half of the ledger of risk v. reward by ensuring that even if all risks were taken to transport people individually to the school through dangerous conditions, a lesser number of students would even be present for their classes.

    Meaning, it’s not about it “being a little cold outside”. It’s about road conditions. If one-off events of little gravity like this are suddenly influential in a child’s psychology, why would the lesson of respecting the environment (again, being taught to a generation whose environment WILL be significantly more hostile to the generation in school now than mine, yours, or anyone else’s before us) be a poor one to teach?

    And, is it actually reasonable to assume that the traffic issues will be non-threatening or non-disruptive? If many schools are closing (suggesting a consensus), doesn’t denying that their action as correct kind of put the onus on you to at least provide some evidence? Anything?

    I would say that there are a great many things that children are over-warned about, and that overprotective measures are taken in much more psychologically influential ways, for example the helicopter parenting that results from paranoia about kidnapping or other crime restricting the freedom of children to roam about their neighbourhoods. The sociological effects of a once-a-year or so school cancellation are laughably minute in comparison, to say nothing of the fact that they’re actually a valid reaction to valid concerns about a real danger comparatively.

    What I mean when I bring up that point is that it’s fairly obvious by your reaction that you really wanted to dump this take, whether it’s applicable to the situation or not.

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – They don’t cancel work because of weather (unless extreme), and life doesn’t stop due to weather: that’s an important lesson to impart on Children IMO.

    How is life stopping? An important lesson to impart on children should also be that there is more to life than school or work and any fortunate circumstance that grants release from those matters should be lived well.

    When I was researching, I was reading the replies to various school board’s tweets, seeing if your opinion was shared by anyone, and what the official’s responses would be when confronted by them.

    I ended up giving up after trying to scroll past all of these student’s delighted replies. It’s not such a bad thing. Since they live in the connected age, the traffic issues won’t impede their ability to socialise freely in this time off. Maybe she’ll play video games online with her friends, maybe he’ll try connecting with a girl he has a crush on.

    It’s a snow (ice) day man, lighten up.

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – The only AM radio I listen to is the FAN, and I’m off to listen to Bobcat now, as I drive home after a day’s work: no one at work cancelled the day for me, and my clients didn’t give me the day off…

    Just because you’re not the captain doesn’t mean you aren’t wearing the jersey.

    No generation is more sensitive than the next on the whole. Pick a generation and I’ll find you a religious war, by direct definition or by concept. Perhaps we can talk about the deadly negligence of the HIV/AIDS epidemic based on its title being the gay disease; the criminal Iraq war sold to a fearful post-911 Western populace; perhaps more topically the fact that we are just now beginning to address widespread mental illness after nameless victims have been lost into the void of cultural sensitivities to speaking out about emotional and psychological issues that lasted for years in our apparently enlightened and rational society.

    The killing of Alan Turing; the killing of Mangas Coloradas.

    I’ll let you have the last word on this one now if you want, and you can continue speaking out about the snowflake generation any other time you like – not that you need my permission, I’m just saying that I won’t relitigate anything I’ve said here. I just like to drill down on this whenever I see it from a source I otherwise respect and in a place I most certainly respect.

    (If LT doesn’t want political talk spiralling out of this we can kill the post too.)

  193. YKOil says:

    OriginalPouzar: To play Devils’ advicate:
    – Yes, Rieder was “deemed expendable” but that was b/c of the required costs to tender a QO – it doesn’t mean they weren’t interested in keeping the player at a lower cost – they have internal budget issues

    QO is a thing. Made Strome more money than he deserved.

    Cap space next year comes from… precious few places actually. Natural growth in Cap ($83 million) and Talbot not being re-signed. Rieder’s cap space will get sucked up by Pulju and Khaira so I’m not really counting it. Finding a way to trade Spooner and Manning is basically job 1.

    SCUNGILLI SLUSHY: I liked Auvitu and I like Gravel. With the right babysitter d-partnet Auvitu could have been pretty effective. Hope they keep Gravel. Man they need to improve their RD.

  194. MADOIL says:

    jtblack,

    Sorry, JT, this was not directed at you in any way. Please accept my apologies. However, on reading your comments brought the inner disdain for the guy. How can one trifle with so many people’s money, kids’ hopes and players careers?

  195. jtblack says:

    in the last 20 Games, the Oilers have won 3 games in Regulation. AZ, ANA, BUF.

    Those are facts.

    EDIT: McDavid has 31 points during that time. And team has 3 reg wins. 🙁

  196. Bank Shot says:

    Ryan: Good points.

    Even if every card carrying member of the Red Wine summits and Bob Green tell you to acquire Griffin Reinhart, it does’t mean that you have to trade the 15th and 33rd in the deepest draft in years to acquire him. He could have offered a lesser package or simply said that the price was too high.

    Even if you’re dead set on acquiring a 3/4 defenseman with skating limitations like Larsson, it doesn’t mean that you have to trade Taylor Hall to acquire him. He could have offered a lesser package or simply said that the price was too high.

    Even if you’re delusional to the point of thinking that Manning is going to improve your team, you don’t have to trade Caggiula straight across. Maybe you can get a pick or prospect back and some cap relief.

    Then there’s the litany of contracts that were poorly negotiated which fits Chiarelli’s MO. Those aren’t on the OBC.

    I dunno. Sounds like a fan trying to convince himself that just putting a new GM into place will fix what ails this franchise.

    I don’t see it ever getting better until there is a total purge of the OBC.

    Doesn’t seem likely anytime soon.

  197. jtblack says:

    MADOIL:
    jtblack,

    Sorry, JT, this was not directed at you in any way. Please accept my apologies. However, on reading your comments brought the inner disdain for the guy. How can one trifle with so many people’s money, kids’ hopes and players careers?

    ALL GOOD!

  198. russ99 says:

    Ryan,

    He was just hired and every GM listens to the information and recommendations his staff gives him.

    He said he saw Reinhart play in the AHL but none of our scouts did so I think that’s a bit of butt covering.

    At worst he was led down the primrose path, at worst he was forced into it as the new guy, public face.

    Either way I don’t blame him entirely and there is no way as fans we can accept another GM who doesn’t hire his own staff.

  199. Drew says:

    Oilpower:
    Team only needs 8 new wingers, and a number 1 dman and they totally got this! That should be easy to get right?

    With the Oiler trade history the #1 Dman will only cost three 1st rounders and taking a really bad contract back as well.

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