Mack the Knife

Ken Hitchcock was hot under the collar after last night’s game, saying “at this time of year the coaches can’t want it more than the players.” The Oilers weren’t sharp and the Sharks took advantage. Edmonton was the second best team on the ice on Saturday night, but the home side was also outworked and outsmarted. Is the problem lack of talent or lack of execution, or both? The coach thinks it’s priorities. Hitch’s Saturday night verbal might be his final bullet, incredible considering he took over the team just 82 days ago. Will we see a third head coach this season?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

OILERS AFTER 55

  • Oilers in 2015: 21-29-5, 47 points; goal differential -29
  • Oilers in 2016: 29-18-8, 66 points; goal differential +11
  • Oilers in 2017: 23-28-4, 50 points; goal differential -30
  • Oilers in 2018: 24-26-5, 53 points; goal differential -20

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 1-4-0, two points; goal differential -16
  • Oilers in February 2017: 2-3-0, four points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in February 2018: 1-3-1, three points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in February 2019: 1-2-2, four points; goal differential -7

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: Philadelphia, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-2)
  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Pittsburgh, Carolina, NY Islanders (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, NY Islanders, Anaheim (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Toronto, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-2-2, four points in five games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Larsson were 16-12 in 16:13, 5-4 shots, 0-1 goals and 2-3 HDSC. Were 11-11 in 10:13 against Kane-Hertl-Donskoi, 0-1 goals on a play where Leon Draisaitl needed to back check and did not in fact back check. Oscar had a great offensive chance, looked a little delayed defensively here and there, but I have no quarrel with this tandem. Larsson rocked Hertl with a fabulous check in the scoring zone.
  • Manning-Gravel were 10-8 in 8:45, 5-7 shots, 0-2 goals and 3-3 HDSC. The coach likes Manning’s physical play, but he’d been beaten several times in the early minutes and it would not get better from there. Gravel is fighting the puck recently, that third pairing is turning into an adventure. Hurry home, Andrej! Went 7-4 in 4:46 (0-2 goals) against Sorenson-Thornton-Lebanc.
  • Nurse-Russell went 9-12 in 17:00, making the duo the de facto No. 1 pairing on the night. Were 4-7 shots, no goals and 2-4 HDSC. Went 6-6 against Meier-Couture-Pavelski. The pairing was mostly effective in defending, but the lack of successful outlet passes means they defend too much. Same as it ever was.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 26 of 31, .839. It was a track meet all night and the Oilers allowed snipers to walk free in daylight down broadway. You’d like your goalie to stop a couple of those shots but Talbot wasn’t close to being the problem.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Rattie were 2-5 in 5:42, 1-3 shots and 0-1 goals, 0-1 HDSC. Sharks manhandle 97 without getting caught, that was a big part of the story in this game. Leon looked awful on the Kane goal, his inability to recognize danger is keeping him from being a complete player. I don’t think he’s lazy, I don’t think he’s incapable, but that’s a part of his game in which we’ll look forward to seeing improvement.
  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson went 8-1 in 5:34, 3-0 shots and 1-0 HDSC. The puck was heading in a good direction in these five minutes, seems to me this trio should get a long look on the road trip.
  • Lucic-Nuge-Chiasson were 4-1 in 4:28, 2-0 shots and 1-1 HDSC. I like the line and wouldn’t mind seeing it on the road trip, but suspect Chiasson would be better used on the 97 line.
  • Khaira-Nuge-Puljujarvi were 5-4 in 4:21, 1-1 shots, 0-1 goals and 0-1 HDSC. I like this line tremendously and would like to see the trio for the rest of this season.
  • Lucic-Malone-Kassian were 9-1 in four minutes, 6-1 shots and 2-0 HDSC. Terrific trio, Malone is badly outplaying Brodziak.
  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian went 4-3 in 2:33, 2-3 shots 1-0 goals and 1-2 HDSC. I prefer Chiasson here but you have to respect Kassian’s recent success.

OILERS 5-ON-5 SCORING, 2019

  1. Zack Kassian 16, 4-5-9 (2.72)
  2. Connor McDavid 16, 6-5-11 (2.43)
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 16, 1-6-7 (1.95)
  4. Leon Draisaitl 16, 5-3-8 (1.84)
  5. Milan Lucic 16, 3-2-5 (1.54)
  6. Ty Rattie 11, 2-1-3 (1.39)
  7. Darnell Nurse 16, 2-4-6 (1.19)
  8. Caleb Jones 10, 0-3-3 (1.03)
  9. Adam Larsson 16, 1-3-4 (0.83)
  10. Tobias Rieder 15, 0-2-2 (0.80)
  11. Jesse Puljujarvi 16, 1-1-2 (0.68)
  12. Jujhar Khaira 16, 0-2-2 (0.63)
  13. Alex Chiasson 15, 0-2-2 (0.60)
  14. Kevin Gravel 9, 0-1-1 (0.47)
  15. Brandon Manning 11, 0-1-1 (0.46)
  16. Kyle Brodziak 15, 0-1-1 (0.45)
  17. Matt Benning 12, 0-1-1 (0.40)
  18. Kris Russell 14, 0-1-1 (0.24)

Kassian’s recent performances (Jan-Feb) deserves some attention. He’s on pace for 12 goals, the highest total since his 14 markers for Vancouver in 2013-14. He has played with high skill (Sedins) before, should Hitchcock run him with Leon-McDavid?

Another win for the Oilers last night, and a few days before the road trip. If the team is going to make some changes pre-deadline, the next 48 hours would seem to be the best spot. Getting Sekera on the major league roster and adding skill up front are two areas we can chat about in the coming days.

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    Is JP eligible for the AHL playoffs?

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    Is JP eligible for the AHL playoffs?

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    Is JP eligible for the AHL playoffs?

    I don’t see why not – players straight from the CHL when their club seasons end are eligible – I don’t think there is a games played minimum.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Couple more assists for Bouchard today after two yesterday.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov with a beauty assist today in a Guelph blowout win.

  4. russ99 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Playoff eligibility is the other way in the AHL. Up to the trade deadline any AHL players called up to the NHL are eligible to be sent down and play in the postseason, but no other NHL players are eligible when sent down after the trade deadline.

    Since Jesse played in the AHL thus year he can be sent down for the playoffs.

  5. v4ance says:

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    I think people don’t realize just how much autonomy and power Peter actually had. He was the architect of everything, Nicholson let him do his job.Remember when he was hired, people felt he needed to be left alone to make decisions as part of a new guard.He was.

    I always wondered how the anti-vax movement sprung up and kept flourishing despite all the experts shooting down all their arguments.

    Gullible fools still believe lies and fairy tales even with all the proof in the world.

    Funny when people want to disparage Rishaug, they either say, “oh that’s just the Toronto Sports Network” or now they say, “Oh he’s the Edmonton Oilers’ mouthpiece” depending on which way they want to spin their own BS narrative.

  6. dessert1111 says:

    New Improved Darkness: Psychopaths have spreadsheets for brains.

    Nice line, particularly with the build-up.

  7. Glovjuice says:

    New Improved Darkness: Close.

    What looks like lack of effort is simply a mentally fragile team whose best players know that only a 100% effort on their best nights will result in a win.

    Nobody has 82 best nights in any given season. Not even in a non-contact sport, much less a sport where every part of your body except your head,your knees, your ankles, and your nads are fair game.

    Fine print: The puck doesn’t get the memo about ankles.

    Loophole: The boards don’t get the memo about your head, unless you remain on your feet (head first into the boards while still on your feet is not fair game).

    But as they say in Groundhogville, nobody ever tossed and turned all night merely because they were worked over with a brick bat, over top of pre-existing lumps and bruises.

    ———

    In managing my own irregular sleep, I soon learned that giving 300% to compensate for being 33% fully awake left me giving 80% effort when I was 300% awake.

    Productivity goes like this:

    p = grittensity * mojo ^ 2

    3.0 * (1/3)^2 = 0.33 — why did I even bother?
    0.8 * (3)^2 = 7.2

    0.6 * (1/3)^2 = 6/10*1/9 = 0.07
    1.2 * (3)^2 = 10.8 — back check like a daemon when possessed by the manic muse

    10.8 + 0.07 > 7.2 + 0.33

    Eventually I learned to shut it down, relax, and take care of myself when my mojo went MIA. Then I would be 100% fresh and raring to go when the incandescent Chinook elevated my game to scorch marks.

    My underlying power grid is about 90% less volatile now that it used to be. That outcome was a decade in the making.

    The fiction of perfect self-regulation works up to a point. Just make it a habit, and try not to let your underlying state poke through.

    Heavy emphasis on “up to a point”.

    ———

    For those of you who like cognitive wine pairings, reading Creativity, Inc. and Imagine it Forward side by side is a mind-blowing experience.

    Ed Catmull is sober, intuitive, caring leader. He believes in story, and his prose is finely honed with craftsmanship.

    Beth Comstock would wade through corporate shit uphill in both directions if there was promotion in the offing. She believes in story, but her text is sprinkled with some of the most leaden clunkers I’ve ever encountered.

    But not to worry, there’s an adult in the room, who scurries off to McKinsey to pay them $3 million for an emergency heart scan, where the final report basically reads: what liquidity crisis?

    Hours later: oh, the Bear Stearns liquidity crisis! But that truly wasn’t foreseeable, apparently you have entirely the wrong idea about the service McKinsey sells: we only truck in known unknowns.

    So now the plan is to scurry around to find $17 billion to keep the lights on, which they eventually get from the Fed ($16 billion) when no-one else will pony up, and Buffet ($1 billion) when they promise a 10% annual dividend (not a bad rate of return at the foreseeable onset of a decade of debacle—unlike McKinsey, Buffet’s foresight is attached to his own purse strings).

    Epic business-cycle denial field, but moving on.

    The vast majority of “hitting your numbers” transpires in the spreadsheet department. The real world does not cooperate with future transparency. There’s one black swan that two-fists venti drips, there’s another black swan that guzzles straight from the urn, and there’s a third black swan that drains the whole of Starbucks … and comes back looking for more (you’d be black, too, at this level of jolting Joe). Swans are happy drunks, but mind your tenders in the presence of swans with a mean buzz.

    What “hitting the numbers” actually means: it means that in your corporate culture, the spreadsheet department wields awesome power. Because life doesn’t fit into that orderly financial box without seventeen different bespoke crewcuts—and never will.

    Catmull does not suffer from the the volatility denial field; quite the opposite. Both Catmull and Jobs are terrified that Pixar is but one medium black swan away from going entirely tits up, fully cognizant of the Orion example:

    Vaunted light at the end of the Orion tunnel in 1989: a dark comedy starring Meryl Streep and Roseanne Barr (and you think we’ve got problems with the line blender).

    Yes, how tragically soon the Hitchmas strawberry parfait turned into loud strawberries.

    Interestingly, David Cassidy had exactly the same response to having become too successful, and so he hunkered down for years in his Hawaiian hidey hole.

    ———

    I had to take a long walk on the wild side, because my underlying metabolism admitted no other fiction. Reading about the GE internal culture of variability denial makes my sphincter tighten.

    Scene right out of the RoboCop men’s room: nah, not to worry, he’s just a total Machiavellian pussy, you’ll see.

    Beth seems to believe that calling someone “Machiavellian” is an open invitation to let your guard down (nor is this an isolated example; this effect contributes about half of lead in her text). This sentiment delivered right in the middle of a paean to a toxic boardroom culture, which mostly put me in mind of Harvey Weinstein, in which no-one was ever fired for hitting their numbers (or banging the talent around).

    Make no mistake, hard-charging Beth Comstock is wired to perceive a psychopath as a temporary obstacle and (later on) as a useful ladder.No-one hits the numbers like a psychopath. Psychopaths have spreadsheets for brains. Trust relationships persist for exactly the duration of one global recalc. But, on the upside—if you’re equipped with shit-waders up to your armpits—this makes psychopaths surprisingly predictable, in their own way, and not to be feared.

    ———

    Thus ends this overly long parable about the beet-red raspberry and the black swan dive.

  8. Glovjuice says:

    Stunning. How do you even do this? Impossible in my mind. Wow. How smart are you, really ? Don’t be bashful.

  9. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ryan:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    The Sharks will be fine for awhile. Kane is only 27. They have Hertl and Couture who are also under 30 still. You also forgot about Timo Meier who’s only 22. Technically all of Couture, Pavelski, Meier and Hertl have more points than Thornton or Kane. Then there’s Leblanc, Donskoi, and Sorensen.

    Part of my point that you’re missing is how the bottom of the rosters are built on good teams.

    They’re cheap, young, and drafted or procured then developed.

    Look at us, we technically have two fourth lines currently. Both are a disaster and neither is particularlycheap.

    I agree, had mentioned the farm is soon sending the Oilers decent skilled players. Misguided drafting left them with little for years, for sure. But they’re close to having skaters on F and D come up, and hopefully some goalies.

    I was getting at that the majority and the best of the Sharks were traded for. If quality is acquired it isn’t a sin to make a deal at times, depending on the state of the team. PC had the right idea given his mandate and the state of the farm, but isn’t competent. We are all scarred.

  10. v4ance says:

    Dennis King @DKingBH

    Spector is pure poison when it comes to skilled players. He has slammed everyone I can remember. He even took a swing at McDavid for an afternoon game at Dal when 97 was miserable with the flu:) He’s an old-timey clown that longs to be buddies with the Kris Russells of the world

    Reminder, he’s the author of the “Red Wine” hit piece.

  11. jp says:

    It’s likely been mentioned, but Shane Starrett in Bakersfield has been on quite a run (not surprising I guess considering the Condors 12 game winning streak…)

    Anyway, he’s now (tied for) 1st in AHL GAA, 4th in SV% and 8th in wins (16-3-3 record in only 25 games).

    He’ll be 25 this summer, and has basically come out of nowhere, but it’s looking like he’s a legitimate prospect. Huh.

  12. v4ance says:

    jp:
    It’s likely been mentioned, but Shane Starrett in Bakersfield has been on quite a run (not surprising I guess considering the Condors 12 game winning streak…)

    Anyway, he’s now (tied for) 1st in AHL GAA, 4th in SV% and 8th in wins (16-3-3 record in only 25 games).

    He’ll be 25 this summer, and has basically come out of nowhere, but it’s looking like he’s a legitimate prospect. Huh.

    In a way, his career arc is similar to Cam Talbot’s development path. A couple of years in college and a year or three in the minors…

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yes, Starrett has been full value for his stats including during the current run.

    From what I’ve seen, he has indeed been very solid and, at times, spectacular. He actually hasn’t had to be spectacular that often but has been shutting the door when necessary.

    For example, right off the opening faceoff last night, he faced a breakaway like 16 seconds in and made the save. He doesn’t save that and it could be a different game.

    Given the ridiculous uncertainty regarding Koskinen’s abilities, I think the team needs an established veteran back-up with some former starter’s experience. Someone we know can provide generally consistent back-up tending and give the team a chance to win and a guy that can run with the starters’ job for short stretches.

    I think Starrett should get a legit chance to battle for the back-up job at camp but there needs to be another solid option brought in.

    More cap space will needed to be spent on the back-up b/c the starter has proven more of an inability than an ability…..

  14. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The Oilers SNGM doesn’s have to trade crap for gold, he just needs to clear cap. There are some pretty good UFA forwards, we’ll see who makes it to market. 8M on a good player won’t be a cap killer if the dead weight was somehow cleared.

    The other F needs are bottom 6, if SNGM isn’t a butt head that’s the easiest part of the job, if he can clear cap. Brodz can go down at little cap effect.

    On a properly run team Spooner may not be a write off if not an allstar candidate. The real cap issues are Lucic, Manning, Kassian and maybe Koski but we’ll see. Sekera and Russell are NHL players and D are always in demand so trading them isn’t an outlandish proposal.

    On D they just need a placeholder at 2RD. Decent skater who can stand up at the lines confidently and pass, we’ll assume the team play is more organized helping all. Doesn’t need offense.

    Maybe a back up G.

  15. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Yes, Starrett has been full value for his stats including during the current run.

    From what I’ve seen, he has indeed been very solid and, at times, spectacular.He actually hasn’t had to be spectacular that often but has been shutting the door when necessary.

    For example, right off the opening faceoff last night, he faced a breakaway like 16 seconds in and made the save.He doesn’t save that and it could be a different game.

    Given the ridiculous uncertainty regarding Koskinen’s abilities, I think the team needs an established veteran back-up with some former starter’s experience.Someone we know can provide generally consistent back-up tending and give the team a chance to win and a guy that can run with the starters’ job for short stretches.

    I think Starrett should get a legit chance to battle for the back-up job at camp but there needs to be another solid option brought in.

    More cap space will needed to be spent on the back-up b/c the starter has proven more of an inability than an ability…..

    Yeah for sure a legit backup/1B for Koskinen is important.

    I just hadn’t realized that Starrett was an NHL option at all. Given his age, good not great college SV% and mediocre ECHL performance last year, I’d figured he was the top callup by circumstance but not a real prospect. Seems like maybe he’s more.

  16. Rich M says:

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    I think people don’t realize just how much autonomy and power Peter actually had. He was the architect of everything, Nicholson let him do his job.Remember when he was hired, people felt he needed to be left alone to make decisions as part of a new guard.He was.

    The more (and louder) you try and say this, the less believable it becomes.

    No one here doesn’t think that Chiarelli was innocent. He paid the price for mistakes that have been listed here and in other places ad nauseam.

    But for the OBC to just push it all on him is over the top. As if they’re trying to justify what’s to come – that they’ll still be in place when all is said and done and that they have a plan and we need to trust them despite their complicity.

  17. deardylan says:

    215 comments so far on a night Oilers not playing and not in playoffs. There was no deep LT life story to trigger a deluge of deep down reminiscing.

    Most comments are not one line comments or emoticons or lame flames… some are dashed with efficient analytics and others are poured over effective betalytics.

    How does a small market team in the far north of the americas create such a creative clamour?

    Do these dark times bring us together even more and create excitement for the light at the edge of tomorrow?

    All hail the Oilers!

  18. jp says:

    v4ance: In a way, his career arc is similar to Cam Talbot’s development path.A couple of years in college and a year or three in the minors…

    The trajectory is similar so far for sure. It would still be a real surprise if Starrett is even a backup option in the NHL. I’d be happy to be wrong though, and he definitely has my attention now.

  19. €√¥£€^$ Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Chiarelli’s gone and despite the suspected outside influences, the destructive decisions are ALL on him. Look at what he did in Boston, same cluelessness when it came to cap management MO there as here.

    I am all in for a Ralph Krueger as POHO hire, a Tyler Dellow hire as GM and a Jay Woodcroft or Todd Nelson as HC.

    First act by Ralph will be to call Craig Zonit into his office for a face-to-face meeting and all he’ll need to say is “pack yer shit”

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Yeah for sure a legit backup/1B for Koskinen is important.

    I just hadn’t realized that Starrett was an NHL option at all. Given his age, good not great college SV% and mediocre ECHL performance last year I’d figured he was the current top non-NHL option, but not really a prospect. Seems like maybe he’s more.

    25 years old is actually somewhat normal time for a goalie to be NHL ready – they take forever with, of course, some exceptions.

    I never really thought he would be a legit NHL option and I’m still not sure. He should be in the conversation now though at the very least.

    His numbers at 24-25 are similar to Dave Rittich’s.

  21. €√¥£€^$ Maoriduvpoojt says:

    If we win the lottery, who’d be against trading it to Buffalo for their 3 firsts or Colorado for their 2 firsts+.

    Then using the highest for the BPA & then flipping the remainder for actual NHL players. Or is this a strong enough draft to make the picks?

  22. jtblack says:

    €√¥£€^$ Maoriduvpoojt:
    If we win the lottery, who’d be against trading it to Buffalo for their 3 firsts or Colorado for their 2 firsts+.

    Then using the highest for the BPA & then flipping the remainder for actual NHL players.Or is this a strong enough draft to make the picks?

    If. If & If. Then If If ? Maybe If.

    Do you think the SHL & NHL should merge. And then join the DHL? And then create a new League? Maybe? If

  23. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bank Shot: Oh. An Edmonton Sports Broadcaster toeing the company line. You don’t say.

    One thing is clear. Lowe, Mact, and Howson had absolutely nothing to do with this.

    Chiarelli preferred to keep on a freshly fired GM as his assistant. Probably requested it.

    Which new GM wouldn’t want that kind of dream situation?

    No one is telling Rishaug what to say. He works for TSN. Having said that, MacT and Howson are active on the operations side so of course they had influence as any advisor would. I believe Chia had full control though. I guess we will find out if the new GM comes in and they still have influential positions after whatever period of time the new guy can bring in his own people.

  24. GMB3 says:

    €√¥£€^$ Maoriduvpoojt:
    Chiarelli’s gone and despite the suspected outside influences, the destructive decisions are ALL on him.Look at what he did in Boston, same cluelessness when it came to cap management MO there as here.

    I am all in for a Ralph Krueger as POHO hire, a Tyler Dellow hire as GM and a Jay Woodcroft or Todd Nelson as HC.

    First act by Ralph will be to call Craig Zonit into his office for a face-to-face meeting and all he’ll need to say is “pack yer shit”

    I think Dellow would be more suited to be an AGM. He’s brilliant, but I think it would be difficult to go from limited experience in Hockey Ops straight to being a GM. I would love it if he was employed by the Oilers and actually had a voice in the organization in this go around.

  25. GMB3 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    The Oilers SNGM doesn’s have to trade crap for gold, he just needs to clear cap. There are some pretty good UFA forwards, we’ll see who makes it to market. 8M on a good player won’t be a cap killer if the dead weight was somehow cleared.

    The other F needs are bottom 6, if SNGM isn’t a butt head that’s the easiest part of the job, if he can clear cap. Brodz can go down at little cap effect.

    On a properly run team Spooner may not be a write off if not an allstar candidate. The real cap issues are Lucic, Manning, Kassian and maybe Koski but we’ll see. Sekera and Russell are NHL players and D are always in demand so trading them isn’t an outlandish proposal.

    On D they just need a placeholder at 2RD. Decent skater who can stand up at the lines confidently and pass, we’ll assume the team play is more organized helping all. Doesn’t need offense.

    Maybe a back up G.

    How do we plan on clearing this 8 million dollars?

  26. Fiveinatrailer says:

    I don’t post much, but I don’t know how else to relay this.

    Regarding the OBC vs actual gm influence etc, I have a crazy hypothesis.

    Did anyone else see the interview a couple years back of the Great One in…LA i believe. It was with Principe on I think the fathers trip. It should have never been aired, or at least cut short if the producer had any sense. All you watching know what I mean.

    So to my theory, what if Katz isn’t keeping the OBC out of nostalgia, but out of…love. What I mean is maybe all those OBC went their separate ways in the 90s and oughts but maybe they realized that they needed the comraderie more than they realized. So Katz formed the OBC as a similar way the Legions all formed after WWII. It’s not so that they can influence the day to day, but to have a great way to keep together in retirement. but pride demands they have some sort of title so here we are. Nobody wants to admit “these guys are lonely and depressed in their retirement, so we keep them together so they don’t have some tragic ending because they deserve better after what they brought this city”

    Doesn’t really matter but just an opposing idea to the “Katz wants to keep all his favourite hockey cards as real people” theories that abound on the webs daily. If it’s the case, the man is a saint for keeping it to himself and taking all the shit as a way to deflect from his (and our) heroes.

    I’m not excusing how the team has been actively managed, that’s a different argument altogether.

  27. YKOil says:

    €√¥£€^$ Maoriduvpoojt:
    If we win the lottery, who’d be against trading it to Buffalo for their 3 firsts or Colorado for their 2 firsts+.

    Then using the highest for the BPA & then flipping the remainder for actual NHL players.Or is this a strong enough draft to make the picks?

    I am close to JTBLACK on this but, to play the mental game, you always keep a player/prospect like Hughes.

    If you were to trade him you would target a team like Detroit and magic pill the f&*k out of it. Which is to say you flip the firsts with Detroit/NY Rangers etc, they take on most of your ailments and flip you some useful filler to make it work and voila! for a while you feel better.

    Hughes pick, Lucic and Manning
    FOR
    NYR 1st, top-2 prospect, useful veteran, maybe a salary filler

    Of course, you only get well if you live well so… it wouldn’t fix the Oil then.

  28. Scungilli Slushy says:

    GMB3: How do we plan on clearing this 8 million dollars?

    By competently shedding salary. I agree with those here that think moves are possible. We are so scarred by the incompetence of MacT and Chiarelli and their ass covering fibs, because they either couldn’t find or got skunked in deals, that they can’t be done.

    But we see other teams trade bad expensive players around us, and ours aren’t that bad. Just expensive. Other GMs have wrong priorities as well.

    Lucic is too expensive but not useless, and there doesn’t need to be a good return, some salary can be retained, which makes it a win for the buyer in getting him and what he brings, and the Oilers in clearing cap.

    Russell shouldn’t be hard to move or Sekera who seems fine as we’ve heard (as long as he doesn’t end up being finished because he gets hurt again because he’s become fragile). I would keep Sekera, he’s the bomb when healthy.

    Some people are good at bargaining and some aren’t. The last Oiler GM that could deal was Lowe, but eventually his lack of experience got him.

  29. Dustylegnd says:

    Fiveinatrailer:
    I don’t post much, but I don’t know how else to relay this.

    Regarding the OBC vs actual gm influence etc, I have a crazy hypothesis.

    Did anyone else see the interview a couple years back of the Great One in…LA i believe. It was with Principe on I think the fathers trip. It should have never been aired, or at least cut short if the producer had any sense.All you watching know what I mean.

    So to my theory, what if Katz isn’t keeping the OBC out of nostalgia, but out of…love.What I mean is maybe all those OBC went their separate ways in the 90s and oughts but maybe they realized that they needed the comraderie more than they realized. So Katz formed the OBC as a similar way the Legions all formed after WWII.It’s not so that they can influence the day to day, but to have a great way to keep together in retirement.but pride demands they have some sort of title so here we are. Nobody wants to admit “these guys are lonely and depressed in their retirement, so we keep them together so they don’t have some tragic ending because they deserve better after what they brought this city”

    Doesn’t really matter but just an opposing idea to the “Katz wants to keep all his favourite hockey cards as real people” theories that abound on the webs daily. If it’s the case, the man is a saint for keeping it to himself and taking all the shit as a way to deflect from his (and our) heroes.

    I’m not excusing how the team has been actively managed, that’s a different argument altogether.

    It is called an alumni association and the good ones are dedicated to charity and other selfless acts…..the Oilers do not have an exceptional alum

  30. Glovjuice says:

    Fiveinatrailer:
    I don’t post much, but I don’t know how else to relay this.

    Regarding the OBC vs actual gm influence etc, I have a crazy hypothesis.

    Did anyone else see the interview a couple years back of the Great One in…LA i believe. It was with Principe on I think the fathers trip. It should have never been aired, or at least cut short if the producer had any sense.All you watching know what I mean.

    So to my theory, what if Katz isn’t keeping the OBC out of nostalgia, but out of…love.What I mean is maybe all those OBC went their separate ways in the 90s and oughts but maybe they realized that they needed the comraderie more than they realized. So Katz formed the OBC as a similar way the Legions all formed after WWII.It’s not so that they can influence the day to day, but to have a great way to keep together in retirement.but pride demands they have some sort of title so here we are. Nobody wants to admit “these guys are lonely and depressed in their retirement, so we keep them together so they don’t have some tragic ending because they deserve better after what they brought this city”

    Doesn’t really matter but just an opposing idea to the “Katz wants to keep all his favourite hockey cards as real people” theories that abound on the webs daily. If it’s the case, the man is a saint for keeping it to himself and taking all the shit as a way to deflect from his (and our) heroes.

    I’m not excusing how the team has been actively managed, that’s a different argument altogether.

    This could be the premise of an after school special. Brilliant.

  31. €√¥£€^$ Maoriduvpoojt says:

    jtblack: If. If & If.Then If If ? Maybe If.

    Do you think the SHL & NHL should merge. And then join the DHL?And then create a new League?Maybe? If

    Seems like a struck a nerve there JT……didn’t mean to bug you

    I actually got distracted while writing this and forgot to add this link (which is why I posted this in the first place): https://lastwordonhockey.com/2018/05/30/draft-pick-value-charts/

    My apologies, I will see myself out

  32. Scungilli Slushy says:

    €√¥£€^$ Maoriduvpoojt: Seems like a struck a nerve there JT……didn’t mean to bug you

    I actually got distracted while writing this and forgot to add this link (which is why I posted this in the first place):https://lastwordonhockey.com/2018/05/30/draft-pick-value-charts/

    My apologies, I will see myself out

    Very interesting piece, thanks

  33. Bank Shot says:

    JimmyV1965: No one is telling Rishaug what to say.He works for TSN. Having said that, MacT and Howson are active on the operations side so of course they had influence as any advisor would. I believe Chia had full control though. I guess we will find out if the new GM comes in and they still have influential positions after whatever period of time the new guy can bring in his own people.

    Well I am assume that Rishaug is writing what his sources inform him. I assume his source works for the Oilers and wants to protect the Oilers brand.

    This is the same org that signed Koskinen to a 3 year deal the day before Chiarelli was fired. They went out of their way to talk about how that decision was a group decision. I think it’s fair to surmise that most decisions in the NHL are made this way judging from behind the scenes footage I have seen over the years.

    That’s ok. Having multiple head working on things helps you avoid mistakes at times. I just think the Oilers group as a whole is a bad one, and no one else’s jobs seem to be in any imminent danger.

  34. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    v4ance: I always wondered how the anti-vax movement sprung up and kept flourishing despite all the experts shooting down all their arguments.

    Gullible fools still believe lies and fairy tales even with all the proof in the world.

    Funny when people want to disparage Rishaug, they either say, “oh that’s just the Toronto Sports Network” or now they say, “Oh he’s the Edmonton Oilers’ mouthpiece” depending on which way they want to spin their own BS narrative.

    – is Ryan Jenny mcarthur? Or are the people reading Ryan and not believing his “science” the anti-Vaxxers?

  35. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: 25 years old is actually somewhat normal time for a goalie to be NHL ready – they take forever with, of course, some exceptions.

    I never really thought he would be a legit NHL option and I’m still not sure.He should be in the conversation now though at the very least.

    His numbers at 24-25 are similar to Dave Rittich’s.

    This is true, there are definitely some successful comparable at that age. Looks like he could be a great find, hope he can keep it up!

  36. Dustylegnd says:

    €√¥£€^$ Maoriduvpoojt: Seems like a struck a nerve there JT……didn’t mean to bug you

    I actually got distracted while writing this and forgot to add this link (which is why I posted this in the first place):https://lastwordonhockey.com/2018/05/30/draft-pick-value-charts/

    My apologies, I will see myself out

    So trading Hall was even more stupid than we thought…. and the fact that so far Jesse is a bust relative to both those drafted before him and after him…added to the fact that Lucic is a classic fee agent post peak failure makes the Oilers a train wreck ….. teams that comit money to 27-28 year old players like lucid or Neal are screwed…… only true super stars like Tavares should be paid …. the rest should expect pay cuts …. however the multitude of good hockey men running the show will ensure that doesn’t happen

  37. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Value doesnt only depend on environmental health, but on the perception thereof. If the well is poisoned, the value is low. If there is a perception in the community that the well is poisoned, regardless of fact, value is low. This team is built on a hog farm. Doesnt matter if the OBC is making the call or not. For all intents and purposes, the well is tainted. Katz needs to pull his head out of his ass.

  38. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: There has been no coach that has played Rieder in the top 6 for more than a small sample.

    I think this is because he is not a top 6 player – it’s not just two coaches it’s all the coaches over many years and multiple teams.

    Just catching up on the earlier part of the thread and I have to agree with Godot, this simply isn’t true.

    Rieder’s most common C’s have been:

    14-15
    Gagner 337 min
    Vermette 250 min
    1st and 3rd in scoring for the Coyotes, 5th and 1st in TOI among forwards.

    15-16
    Hanzal 425 min
    Vermette 312 min
    4th and 6th in scoring, 2nd and 5th in TOI

    16-17
    Martinook 399 min
    Hanzal 308 min
    7th and 6th in scoring (Hanzal played only 51 games), 5th and 1st in TOI

    17-18 Arizona
    Stepan 312 min
    Dvorak 179 min
    2nd and 4th in scoring, 1st and 4th in TOI

    17-18 LAK
    Carter 133 min
    Kempe 59 min
    Kopitar 53 min
    From the time of his trade, 3rd, 6th and 1st in scoring, 3rd, 7th and 1st in TOI.

    Even this year with the Oilers:
    Draisaitl 204 min
    Brodziak 93 min
    2nd and 12th in scoring, 2nd and 13th in TOI

    He’s been played in the top 6 for the large majority of his career by at least 4 different coaches (I’m not including Hitch here).

    I do however have time for arguments that he “shouldn’t have been” or “isn’t really a top 6 player” – he certainly hasn’t performed as such this season.

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