Mack the Knife

Ken Hitchcock was hot under the collar after last night’s game, saying “at this time of year the coaches can’t want it more than the players.” The Oilers weren’t sharp and the Sharks took advantage. Edmonton was the second best team on the ice on Saturday night, but the home side was also outworked and outsmarted. Is the problem lack of talent or lack of execution, or both? The coach thinks it’s priorities. Hitch’s Saturday night verbal might be his final bullet, incredible considering he took over the team just 82 days ago. Will we see a third head coach this season?

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OILERS AFTER 55

  • Oilers in 2015: 21-29-5, 47 points; goal differential -29
  • Oilers in 2016: 29-18-8, 66 points; goal differential +11
  • Oilers in 2017: 23-28-4, 50 points; goal differential -30
  • Oilers in 2018: 24-26-5, 53 points; goal differential -20

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 1-4-0, two points; goal differential -16
  • Oilers in February 2017: 2-3-0, four points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in February 2018: 1-3-1, three points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in February 2019: 1-2-2, four points; goal differential -7

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: Philadelphia, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-2)
  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Pittsburgh, Carolina, NY Islanders (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, NY Islanders, Anaheim (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Toronto, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-2-2, four points in five games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Larsson were 16-12 in 16:13, 5-4 shots, 0-1 goals and 2-3 HDSC. Were 11-11 in 10:13 against Kane-Hertl-Donskoi, 0-1 goals on a play where Leon Draisaitl needed to back check and did not in fact back check. Oscar had a great offensive chance, looked a little delayed defensively here and there, but I have no quarrel with this tandem. Larsson rocked Hertl with a fabulous check in the scoring zone.
  • Manning-Gravel were 10-8 in 8:45, 5-7 shots, 0-2 goals and 3-3 HDSC. The coach likes Manning’s physical play, but he’d been beaten several times in the early minutes and it would not get better from there. Gravel is fighting the puck recently, that third pairing is turning into an adventure. Hurry home, Andrej! Went 7-4 in 4:46 (0-2 goals) against Sorenson-Thornton-Lebanc.
  • Nurse-Russell went 9-12 in 17:00, making the duo the de facto No. 1 pairing on the night. Were 4-7 shots, no goals and 2-4 HDSC. Went 6-6 against Meier-Couture-Pavelski. The pairing was mostly effective in defending, but the lack of successful outlet passes means they defend too much. Same as it ever was.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 26 of 31, .839. It was a track meet all night and the Oilers allowed snipers to walk free in daylight down broadway. You’d like your goalie to stop a couple of those shots but Talbot wasn’t close to being the problem.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Rattie were 2-5 in 5:42, 1-3 shots and 0-1 goals, 0-1 HDSC. Sharks manhandle 97 without getting caught, that was a big part of the story in this game. Leon looked awful on the Kane goal, his inability to recognize danger is keeping him from being a complete player. I don’t think he’s lazy, I don’t think he’s incapable, but that’s a part of his game in which we’ll look forward to seeing improvement.
  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson went 8-1 in 5:34, 3-0 shots and 1-0 HDSC. The puck was heading in a good direction in these five minutes, seems to me this trio should get a long look on the road trip.
  • Lucic-Nuge-Chiasson were 4-1 in 4:28, 2-0 shots and 1-1 HDSC. I like the line and wouldn’t mind seeing it on the road trip, but suspect Chiasson would be better used on the 97 line.
  • Khaira-Nuge-Puljujarvi were 5-4 in 4:21, 1-1 shots, 0-1 goals and 0-1 HDSC. I like this line tremendously and would like to see the trio for the rest of this season.
  • Lucic-Malone-Kassian were 9-1 in four minutes, 6-1 shots and 2-0 HDSC. Terrific trio, Malone is badly outplaying Brodziak.
  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian went 4-3 in 2:33, 2-3 shots 1-0 goals and 1-2 HDSC. I prefer Chiasson here but you have to respect Kassian’s recent success.

OILERS 5-ON-5 SCORING, 2019

  1. Zack Kassian 16, 4-5-9 (2.72)
  2. Connor McDavid 16, 6-5-11 (2.43)
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 16, 1-6-7 (1.95)
  4. Leon Draisaitl 16, 5-3-8 (1.84)
  5. Milan Lucic 16, 3-2-5 (1.54)
  6. Ty Rattie 11, 2-1-3 (1.39)
  7. Darnell Nurse 16, 2-4-6 (1.19)
  8. Caleb Jones 10, 0-3-3 (1.03)
  9. Adam Larsson 16, 1-3-4 (0.83)
  10. Tobias Rieder 15, 0-2-2 (0.80)
  11. Jesse Puljujarvi 16, 1-1-2 (0.68)
  12. Jujhar Khaira 16, 0-2-2 (0.63)
  13. Alex Chiasson 15, 0-2-2 (0.60)
  14. Kevin Gravel 9, 0-1-1 (0.47)
  15. Brandon Manning 11, 0-1-1 (0.46)
  16. Kyle Brodziak 15, 0-1-1 (0.45)
  17. Matt Benning 12, 0-1-1 (0.40)
  18. Kris Russell 14, 0-1-1 (0.24)

Kassian’s recent performances (Jan-Feb) deserves some attention. He’s on pace for 12 goals, the highest total since his 14 markers for Vancouver in 2013-14. He has played with high skill (Sedins) before, should Hitchcock run him with Leon-McDavid?

Another win for the Oilers last night, and a few days before the road trip. If the team is going to make some changes pre-deadline, the next 48 hours would seem to be the best spot. Getting Sekera on the major league roster and adding skill up front are two areas we can chat about in the coming days.

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  1. Ben says:

    They’re six points out of last place. There’s zero reason to blow their brains out on the slim chance of getting caved in the first round.

    This is not our first shit-rodeo. Get selling. Make some space. Earn some picks. Get yourself a chance at drafting a difference-maker in the top-five.

  2. HugThePost says:

    Getting rid of Hitch at this point and bringing in a 3rd coach this season would be yet another embarrassment for the org, but at this point we just call it Oilering

    Has there ever been an NHL team to have 3 different HC’s in the same season?

  3. Dicky94 says:

    I really hope Jones is on the same flight as Sekera when they bring him back.

  4. Ben says:

    HugThePost:
    Getting rid of Hitch at this point and bringing in a 3rd coach this season would be yet another embarrassment for the org, but at this point we just call it Oilering

    Has there ever been an NHL team to have 3 different HC’s in the same season?

    HA! I’ll give you one guess!

  5. Glovjuice says:

    In honour of the Tyrants who have run a McDavid led team into the ground I present a raw but fantastic live version of Tyrants by the massively underrated and generally unknown Black Mountain. Dropped down about 140,000,000 in album sales from yesterday’s artist but this 7 minutes is just awesome and as good a cross of Pink Floyd and Sabbath you are going to find (side project, Pink Mountaintops is great also).

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0BDveB_NCJc

  6. HugThePost says:

    Ben: HA! I’ll give you one guess!

    shit…..are you serious?

    Was it the George Burnett year?

  7. Jethro Tull says:

    You’ve said before LT, you make a history for yourself (or words to that effect).

    What are you saying to the players when you fire Todd and bring in the most known quantity, almost a universal hockey constant, in Hitch? Are you saying “hey, we know the roster has flaws but we feel there’s room for growth within the team” or, are you saying “there’s nothing wrong with this roster, it’s effort, character etc, and we’re going to give you guys a taskmaster”?

    We here like our sample sizes and Hitch has the biggest. Like Rieder, we KNEW what Hitch was and is and yet a part of us hopes beyond hope we’re wrong this time and maybe a guy who hasn’t scored all year CAN play McDavid’s wing, or Hitch does match the practice to the preaching.

    I’m for prog-hock across the board. Innovative GM with a coach that can actually motivate without threat.

  8. texmex says:

    Dicky94,

    I hope he is not!! No prospects should be near this team.

    Send JP down and recall Russell or any other player 25 or older. Let the kids play.

  9. Jethro Tull says:

    HugThePost: shit…..are you serious?

    Was it the George Burnett year?

    Eakins, MacTavish and Nelson…..

  10. Ben says:

    HugThePost: shit…..are you serious?

    Was it the George Burnett year?

    Wiki:

    On December 15, 2014, MacTavish fired head coach Dallas Eakins from his duties as head coach of the Oilers. MacTavish named himself Interim coach with the intention of transitioning minor league coach Todd Nelson in to the role of interim head coach in the near future.

  11. russ99 says:

    Can’t believe we’re back here again. The gruff coach who inspires by anger act went out when Keenan got fired the last time.

    Maybe we need any Oilers head coach to take a course of how to relate to younger people today.

    Also very obvious and deep talent gap between the Sharks and us especially at forward. Not taking an opportunity to improve this for the core players who have been working their butts off all season would be a massive failure. This is pie in the sky, and obviously not possible now, but think of how much more successful we’d be had we someone like Evander Kane on the one of the wing spots.

    Sell RFAs and UFA, add at least one talent, fire everyone in hockey ops in April.

  12. Jethro Tull says:

    Ben:
    They’re six points out of last place. There’s zero reason to blow their brains out on the slim chance of getting caved in the first round.

    This is not our first shit-rodeo. Get selling. Make some space. Earn some picks. Get yourself a chance atdrafting a difference-maker in the top-five.

    Zero reason? There’s at least a couple of million reasons that a playoff series in a hockey mad city that a team had got into in the most dramatic fashion. Imagine the sports story potential alone!

    And again, is the answer to sucking to suck even more? It got.us the best player in the world and yet we are here still. Maybe shake things up a little?

  13. RandyRanderson says:

    This season the Oilers have played more games where it has had 4 goals or more against. Their chances of winning disappears once that four goal goes in.

    1 goal or less against (11,0) 100%
    2 goals against (7,1) 88%
    3 goals against (7,4) 57%
    4 goals against (2,15) 13%
    5 or more goals against (0,14) 0%

  14. Dicky94 says:

    russ99,

    Yes, everyone who agreed or helped in the process of Chiarelli’s building of this team must be fired. Everyone!

  15. Ben says:

    Jethro Tull: Zero reason? There’s at least a couple of million reasons that a playoff series in a hockey mad city that a team had got into in the most dramatic fashion. Imagine the sports story potential alone!

    And again, is the answer to sucking to suck even more? It got.us the best player in the world and yet we are here still. Maybe shake things up a little?

    The goal is to contend for a championship long-term.

    Are you getting any closer to doing that by trading picks and prospects to *maybe* lose in the first round and worsen your position in the draft? When the team has such an obvious dearth of contributing talent?

    But by all means, what would be your plan to “shake things up a little”?

  16. leadfarmer says:

    If you find your forwards are not giving it 100% on every shift you should probably stop playing them top 4 D minutes

    They need to keep Hitch on until the end of the season. The hire was a complete mistake but they owe him that much

  17. texmex says:

    Woogie63,

    Not to mention they turned eberle into spooner (minors), Caggiula into manning (healthy scratch), pouliott into a buyout amongst others.

    I’m not saying these guys are game changers, but considering what they have been replaced with……yikes

  18. mustang says:

    When Brad Malone is one of the best players on the ice for a team fighting for the playoffs that says

    A lot. These guys are playing like they don’t want to be here. It’s something I don’t understand, I don’t

    get how most players are not giving maximum effort, not skating, not battling, not making the right play.

    Some of these guys are ending their NHL careers the way they are playing, other’s are costing

    themselves millions and their reputation. Snowflakes

  19. HugThePost says:

    Ben: Wiki:

    On December 15, 2014, MacTavish fired head coach Dallas Eakins from his duties as head coach of the Oilers. MacTavish named himself Interim coach with the intention of transitioning minor league coach Todd Nelson in to the role of interim head coach in the near future.

    Well at least the org is consistent at excelling in one thing…sucking.

    The Oilers have taken it to an art form. Their latest work of suck is taking the best player in the world and wasting his first 4 pro years.

  20. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Bust your ass for the playoffs boys. Folding for a better pick is the wrong idea, though popular. Losing is accepted here, unfortunately. That cycle needs to end.

    This team needs NHL players, not picks. Send that pick away for depth, real depth, now or at the table maybe you can rid yourself of cap in the process. I dont know how you build out these actual prospects when the team is so weak not even Tobias Rieder can score in the middle 6.

    Or, forever spin your wheels.

    NHL players, now.

  21. Woogie63 says:

    Woogie63:
    In the 2106 play-offs when games mattered we took the SJS lunch money.

    They have developed 5-6 significant prospect to become contributing NHL players since then. Dell, Labanc, Hertl, Meier, Donskoi, Gambrell

    The Oilers have two – Khaira and Nurse (your mileage may vary).

  22. hunter1909 says:

    The players have given up. They still get paid and have a pretty good time.

    From the players viewpoint, Oilers are seen as a meal ticket. Winning has been filtered out of the team by management.

  23. Jethro Tull says:

    Ben: The goal is to contend for a championship long-term.

    Are you getting any closer to doing that by trading picks and prospects to *maybe* lose in the first round and worsen your position in the draft? When the team has such an obvious dearth of contributing talent?

    But by all means, what would be your plan to “shake things up a little”?

    I’m dangerously unqualified to run an NHL team, and it’s clearly not my job to sort this shit out, but I’ve posted a few times that we need a mix of astute trades, decent prospect evaluation and drafting along with some actual cap management. The last thing a team that is not losing on purpose needs to do is to actually start losing on purpose. That’s “decisions based on things other than winning” territory right there.

    The goal is to challenge long term? How do you know? It’s a business. You’re goal is to contend long term. One of the most important life lessons I learnt is that what motivates you isn’t what motivates other people. I would suggest the Oilers start with just “challenge”. Challenge the other team each and every game. Challenge in smart contract negotiations. Challenge the status quo and be innovators for once.

    And I never mentioned trading picks. But I’m on board with that if it improves the team. But I really can’t see what harm a playoff round would do, not that we have to worry about that now. All or nothing is definitely NOT how the good teams operate.

  24. leadfarmer says:

    I wonder if the Flames come calling for Talbot. I’m sure we would accept a second rounder for him from a rival at this point.
    If Rittich falters they are screwed

  25. flyfish1168 says:

    I don’t mind Hitch’s post game. He tells the truth. Tell me anyone on this blog who wouldn’t want to be in the NHL and have more try then some players last evening. Frustrating to see Leon and Kyle’s battle effort last evening .

  26. HugThePost says:

    hunter1909:
    The players have given up. They still get paid and have a pretty good time.

    From the players viewpoint, Oilers are seen as a meal ticket. Winning has been filtered out of the team by management.

    Strudwick said the other day that the Oiler players are so tuned out and their play has dropped off so much that they need to start by just skating up to an opposition player and tying up their stick….ie. actually contesting and competing. He sees it as plainly as anyone else, but he chooses his words carefully to describe it.

    That’s how bad it is now; they do not even pretend to be challenging their opposition in any aspect of the game.

  27. pts2pndr says:

    Regardless of last night game it is very difficult for any team to play an opposition team and the officials! It is embarassing the number of non calls on McDavid. After he beat the the icing call in the early going and gave the officials the look there was little the other team couldn’t do to Connor. That is wrong! After the phantom call on Klefbom I changed channels. The NHL has the worst officials in all of pro sport!

  28. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY 19
    SJS 17
    VGK 9

    Central
    WPG 16
    NSH 13
    DAL 6

    Wildcard
    STL 4
    MIN 4

    Out of playoffs
    VAN 1
    COL 0
    CHI -2
    ARI -2
    EDM -2
    LAK -4
    ANA -5

    Relevant games today:

    STL at NSH (NSH -150)
    DET at CHI (CHI -160)
    COL at BOS (BOS -195)
    MIN at NYI (NYI -145)

  29. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EDM Goal Share after 55 games (24-27-5)

    Even strength (5v5, 4v4, 3v3):
    McDavid On Ice 57-51 (53%)
    McDavid Off Ice 50-74 (40%)
    EV= -18

    Special Teams (PP+SH For-PK+SH Against):
    42-45
    ST= -3

    Empty Net: (all 5v6 & 5v6)
    7-13
    EN= -6

    SO & PS
    3-1

    SO/PS= +2

    Net Goal Differential -25

  30. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HITCHCOCK ERA
    EDM Goal Share after 35 games (15-16-4)

    Even strength (5v5,4v4,3v3)
    McDavid On Ice 37-37 (50%)
    McDavid Off Ice 32-46 (41%)
    Net EV -14

    Sp. Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against)
    25-26
    Net ST -1

    Empty Net
    5-8
    Net EN -3

    SO & PS
    3-1
    SO & PS=+2

    Net Goal Differential -16

  31. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Eastern Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Atlantic
    TBY 29
    TOR 17
    BOS 13

    Metropolitan
    NYI 16
    WSH 12
    CBJ 11

    Wildcard
    MTL 13
    PIT 8

    Out of playoffs
    BUF 7
    CAR 7
    PHI 2
    FLA 1
    NYR 0
    DET -6
    NJD -6
    OTT -8

  32. tileguy says:

    On the road to: Pittsburgh, Carolina, NY Islanders (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)

    My guess is 0-2-1

    I wonder what we will be talking about a week from now?

  33. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    PIT is in danger of sliding out of the playoffs.

    I wonder why……oh. Oh my.

    5v5 Goal Share GF%
    Pittsburgh Penguins 53.4
    Jack Johnson On Ice 39.0
    Jack Johnson Off Ice 60.0

  34. Dicky94 says:

    tileguy,

    Lottery simulator.

  35. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Malone is badly outplaying Brodziak.

    Agreed.

    Today he’s the better player.

  36. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    flyfish1168:
    I don’t mind Hitch’s post game. He tells the truth. Tell me anyone on the blog who wouldn’t want to be in the NHL and have more try then some players last evening. Frustrating to see Leon and Kyle’s last evening battle effort.

    Agreed. Whatever is in the water bottles causes mass apathy. Truly stunning and frustrating.

  37. leeinvan says:

    The team simply isn’t 1 or 2 players away from contending.

    Factor in the team has Zero cap space, it reminds me of the Philli team about 4 years ago.

    Philli ended up doing a re-build (even though they never called it that) but now Philli has all sorts of talent coming. They have a bright future.

    This team as it stands does not have a bright future, Sure if you can move Lucic, Russel, Spooner and maybe Sekera and bring almost no money back then there is hope. Otherwise you are just fooling around like Peter C did hoping to find gold with a player everyone else doesn’t want.

    Hope is better than despair, and right now this team has no hope, as a long suffering fan, I’m fine if they blow it up and start again as long as its done right.

    Teams that were crap have proven it can be done right, Chicago before they won their cups, Toronto now and Tampa before they became a powerhouse. Most of the core players on these teams were drafted, its that simple.

    Trying to trade your way to a championship cant be done. Only teams that have big time depth can make a trade where they carry the hammer. Teams like the Oilers typically get what other teams say they are going to give, (see Larson for Hall)

    Blow it up and this time do it right.

  38. tileguy says:

    pts2pndr:
    Regardless of last night game it is very difficult for any team to play an opposition team and the officials! It is embarassing the number of non calls on McDavid. After he beat the the icing call in the early goingand gave the officials the look there was little the other team couldn’t do to Connor. That is wrong!After the phantom call on Klefbom I changed channels. The NHLhas the worst officials in all of pro sport!

    Lol, you mean worse than the nfl, nba, mlb, epl? Best have your eggs this morning sunny side up.

  39. who says:

    To tank or not to tank. That is the question.
    Is anyone actually surprised that the team lost last night. When you can’t beat the bottom feeders why would a team think it could beat one of the league leaders? At a certain point the grim realization starts to set in. This team isn’t very good. Fans know it, the coach knows it, and it’s starting to look like the players know it.
    So what’s the solution?
    If the team is short on talent and cap space doesn’t it make sense to try to acquire some cheap talent? Like a top 10 pick and some more picks or prospects?
    Seems pretty obvious to me. We have a very good team in Bakersfield with some legit NHL prospects. This is a good chance to add to that cluster.
    If the Oilers do this right we could be contending as early as the 20-21 season. We have the big pieces in place and there are others knocking on the door. It’s not all bad. But we need to be realistic about the rest of this year. And next year as well.
    I really believe this is rock bottom. Hopefully next year will be a small step forward.

  40. Soup Fascist says:

    Losing has permeated throughout this organization. 2016/17 was the anomaly. If I hear one more of these idiots talking about “ the process” I will snap. The process takes a back seat to winning and respecting your fan base. There will be a surprise for the folks selling the re-ups on the biggest revenue generating seats in the building.

    Maybe, finally Katz will have to see that putting lipstick on this pig of a management team isn’t fooling anyone. The buddy buddy / nepotism that reeks in this organization must be dismantled. I don’t trust Bob Nicholson to lead this charge. If you need a book deal for your wife …. Bob’s your guy. You need a $15 burger …… call Bob. You need someone to schmooze politicos ……. few are better. You need someone deconstruct and rebuild a failing business ….. Hire an outsider to do his own “ forensic audit”. Bob is way out of his depth.

    If Katz is serious he brings in an outside guy who has built teams in the past and throws a ton of money at him to make deep and significant changes.

    “The process” is not enough. You have the best player in the game. It is time to win some f’ing games.

  41. JOFA says:

    Ben:
    They’re six points out of last place. There’s zero reason to blow their brains out on the slim chance of getting caved in the first round.

    This is not our first shit-rodeo. Get selling. Make some space. Earn some picks. Get yourself a chance atdrafting a difference-maker in the top-five.

    </blockquote

    Post of the day. Wasting assets to win a few games is foolish. Ummmmm winning that game against Vancouver at the end of the season, and losing a better draft position was genius 😉 Any sort of winning streak will give false hope and this magnificent management team will make more mistakes. The only hope I have is that it ends in such a disaster, that they finally clue in that more people need to lose their jobs. Lowe MacT Howson Gretzky Green. Clean house. Burn the it to the ground. Piss on it! Start the rebuild 3.0 4.0 5.0…whatever the fuck it is now.

    Lose Lose Lose. Sell Sell Sell. Tank Tank Tank. Fire Fire Fire!

  42. tileguy says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “Relevant games today:”

    It’s over, no more relevant games for us. We had good innings though, made it all the way to Feb. 9th this year.

  43. flyfish1168 says:

    Dicky94:
    tileguy,

    Lottery simulator.

    http://www.tankathon.com/nhl

    I have Edmonton winning and picking Kaapo Kakko

  44. Ryan says:

    Having a look at the Sharks roster a few interesting things jump out…

    I didn’t watch their deployment very carefully, so I’m relying off daily face off for their line combos.

    On the fourth line, they have two undrafted wingers in Goodrow (OHL) and Karlsson (SEL). Goodrow is cheap $650k, but Karlsson is $2m though he also can play pivot.

    Gambrell (listed as 4c) was drafted in the second after Benson, he’s only played 5 games in the NHL and was near ppg in the AHL.

    Sorensen (700k) and Leblanc (730k) are wings on the third line with Jumbo Joe. Leblanc was a sixth round steal from the 2014 draft. He had forty points last season and represents extreme value. Even his next contract has a cap hit of $1.5m. It’s not fair. He has 36 points in 56 games this season. Sorensen is a fourth round pick from 2010 by the senators. Not sure what happened, but he was signed to an ELC by the Sharks.

    Talk about getting your money for nothing (cheap contracts) and bottom six wingers for free (no asset cost).

    For their second line, they have Kane and Donskoi centered by Hertl. Hertl is a ppg player drafted 17th ov in the Yakupov draft year. Donskoi is a fourth round pick from 2010 by the Panthers. Again, they signed Donskoi to an ELC, so no asset cost. He’s also on a $1.9 m contract.

    Maybe the Oilers should be shopping wingers in the drafted in fourth roundish playing in Euro league and not given a contract by their drafting team aisle.

    For the top line, they have Meier / couture/ Pavelski. Meier is their 2015th 9 ov pick. Pavelski is their 2003 7th round pick! Couture of course was drafted after Gagner.

    So yeah, they have a deep roster due to the ageless Joes, killing us in the the 2007 and 2012 drafts, and poaching some forgotten drafted players.

    What’s surprising is that Kane is their only UFA signing of note for the forwards.

  45. HugThePost says:

    flyfish1168: http://www.tankathon.com/nhl

    I have Edmonton winning and picking Kaapo Kakko

    Because we are the best at developing high end draft picks who are not good ‘ol Canadian boys from the farm

  46. Jethro Tull says:

    HugThePost: Because we are the best at developing high end draft picks who are not good ‘ol Canadian boys from the farm

    Yeah but there’ll be talk of keeping Jesse around to “mentor” him.

  47. HugThePost says:

    Jethro Tull: Yeah but there’ll be talk of keeping Jesse around to “mentor” him.

    Yep. I just call stuff like this ‘Oilering’

  48. flyfish1168 says:

    HugThePost: Because we are the best at developing high end draft picks who are not good ‘ol Canadian boys from the farm

    A good point better go with Dylan Cozens

  49. SwedishPoster says:

    Joel Persson with an assist to Ducks prospect Isac Lundeström against Finland today. Head up all the way.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/antonj85/status/1094620987352584192

  50. slopitch says:

    Ive a little bit checked out and barely watched the game. It sounds like Lucic is having a good 2019. Time to get out of that contract? Id move Russell and Kassian as well. Neither Nurse or Russell can make an outlet pass, id like to see Sekera with Nurse. Move Brodziak too if you can. As LT said, the play is to sell now. And give JP 15 a night on the top 2 lines ffs. Id also consider sending him down for a playoff run.

    I saw the Drai lack of coverage highlight. I thought it was a typical 3 v 2 but the left dman went wanderlust (assuming Drai would cover?). Anyways Drai did blow the coverage just thought there was more going on.

  51. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ben:
    They’re six points out of last place. There’s zero reason to blow their brains out on the slim chance of getting caved in the first round.

    This is not our first shit-rodeo. Get selling. Make some space. Earn some picks. Get yourself a chance atdrafting a difference-maker in the top-five.

    The smart plan, luckily the Oilers are smrt.

  52. SwedishPoster says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Malone is badly outplaying Brodziak.

    Agreed.

    Today he’s the better player.

    He’s trying to prove OriginalPouzar wrong. He also eats 15000 calories a day and gets up really late in the morning.

  53. Ryan says:

    Soup Fascist:
    Losing has permeated throughout this organization. 2016/17 was the anomaly. If I hear one more of these idiots talking about “ the process” I will snap.The process takes a back seat to winning and respecting your fan base.There will be a surprise for the folks selling the re-ups on the biggest revenue generating seats in the building.

    Maybe, finally Katz will have to see that putting lipstick on this pig of a management team isn’t fooling anyone. The buddy buddy / nepotism that reeks in this organization must be dismantled.I don’t trust Bob Nicholson to lead this charge. If you need a book deal for your wife …. Bob’s your guy. You need a $15 burger …… call Bob. You need someone to schmooze politicos ……. few are better. You need someone deconstruct and rebuild a failing business ….. Hire an outsider to do his own “ forensic audit”. Bob is way out of his depth.

    If Katz is serious he brings in an outside guy who has built teams in the past and throws a ton of money at him to make deep and significant changes.

    “The process” is not enough. You have the best player in the game. It is time to win some f’ing games.

    I just spent five minutes analyzing a reputedly deep forward roster like the Sharks. If I had all day, I would repeat the process for the rest of the good teams and include the d corps.

    Conceptually, it’s pretty simple. The implementation is the hard part largely in terms of the draft.

    You need to draft a critical mass of impact forwards in a narrow enough time frame.

    You need to avoid bad money contracts. You need to find good, young, cheap bottom six wingers without expending assets to acquire them or overpaying them.

    (Largely) Gone are the days of bamboozoling other GM’s in a blockbuster trade. Chiarelli is a dying breed.

    If you’re building your bottom half of the roster with aged UFA signings or waiver wire fodder, you’re doing it wrong.

    If you’re burning ELC years developing players in the NHL, you’re beyond help.

  54. jtblack says:

    Ryan:
    Having a look at the Sharks roster a few interesting things jump out…

    I didn’t watch their deployment very carefully, so I’m relying off daily face off for their line combos.

    On the fourth line, they have two undrafted wingers in Goodrow (OHL) and Karlsson (SEL). Goodrow is cheap $650k, but Karlsson is $2m though he also can play pivot.

    Gambrell (listed as 4c) was drafted in the second after Benson, he’s only played 5 games in the NHL and was near ppg in the AHL.

    Sorensen (700k) and Leblanc (730k) are wings on the third line with Jumbo Joe. Leblanc was a sixth round steal from the 2014 draft. He had forty points last season and represents extreme value. Even his next contract has a cap hit of $1.5m. It’s not fair. He has 36 points in 56 games this season. Sorensen is a fourth round pick from 2010 by the senators. Not sure what happened, but he was signed to an ELC by the Sharks.

    Talk about getting your money for nothing (cheap contracts) and bottom six wingers for free (no asset cost).

    For their second line, they have Kane and Donskoi centered by Hertl. Hertl is a ppg player drafted 17th ov in the Yakupov draft year. Donskoi is a fourth round pick from 2010 by the Panthers. Again, they signed Donskoi to an ELC, so no asset cost. He’s also on a $1.9 m contract.

    Maybe the Oilers should be shopping wingers in the drafted in fourth roundish playing in Euro league and not given a contract by their drafting team aisle.

    For the top line, they have Meier / couture/ Pavelski. Meier is their 2015th 9 ov pick. Pavelski is their 2003 7th round pick!Couture of coursewas drafted after Gagner.

    So yeah, they have a deep roster due to the ageless Joes, killing us in the the 2007 and 2012 drafts, and poaching some forgotten drafted players.

    What’s surprising is that Kane is their only UFA signing of note for the forwards.

    I think this shows the Oranizatiin has to be competent in MULTIPLE AREAS:

    1) Amateur Scouting.
    2) Pro Scouting
    3) Developing players
    4) Pro Trades
    5) UFA Signings
    6) Cap Management

    Edmonton is currently 0 – 6 thanks to Chiarelli.

  55. godot10 says:

    Dicky94:
    I really hope Jones is on the same flight as Sekera when they bring him back.

    Jones isn’t ready. You keep him away from the s$%show, and let him thrive at the AHL level through the playoffs. He got his first extended look this year, looked great early, and got overwhelmed by the end. Let him work on his game in the AHL for the rest of the year.

  56. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    PIT is in danger of sliding out of the playoffs.

    I wonder why……oh.Oh my.

    5v5 Goal ShareGF%
    Pittsburgh Penguins53.4
    Jack Johnson On Ice39.0
    Jack Johnson Off Ice60.0

    Shocking ! who would have thunk it

  57. jtblack says:

    Johnson played with Crosby at St Shattucks.

    I think that had a lot to do with the trade

    Still doesn’t excuse it though

  58. jtblack says:

    “The pairing was mostly effective in defending, but the lack of successful outlet passes means they defend too much. Same as it ever was.”

    Gravel
    Manning
    Larsson
    Nursse
    Russell

    Building a D Core that can’t pass – By Peter Chiarelli

  59. godot10 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    You’ve said before LT, you make a history for yourself (or words to that effect).

    What are you saying to the players when you fire Todd and bring in the most known quantity, almost a universal hockey constant, in Hitch? Are you saying “hey, we know the roster has flaws but we feel there’s room for growth within the team” or, are you saying “there’s nothing wrong with this roster, it’s effort, character etc, and we’re going to give you guys a taskmaster”?

    We here like our sample sizes and Hitch has the biggest. Like Rieder, we KNEW what Hitch was and is and yet a part of us hopes beyond hope we’re wrong this time and maybe a guy who hasn’t scored all year CAN play McDavid’s wing, or Hitch does match the practice to the preaching.

    I’m for prog-hock across the board. Innovative GM with a coach that can actually motivate without threat.

    Rieder has been used incorrectly by both coaches. Rieder should be used to add speed a defensive awareness to a McDavid or Draisaitl line. Draisaitl has been effective away from McDavid with Rieder (small sample size) but they keep putting Draisaitl back with McDavid.

    Rieder should be playing with McDavid and Nugent-Hopkins (Draisaitl is acceptable) for defensive awareness, and to compliment McDavid’s speed.

    Neither Draisaitl, nor McDavid are diligent defensively. Rieder helps ameliorate that.

  60. Soup Fascist says:

    Ryan: I just spent five minutes analyzing a reputedly deep forward roster like the Sharks. If I had all day, I would repeat the process for the rest of the good teams and include the d corps.

    Conceptually, it’s pretty simple. The implementation is the hard part largely in terms of the draft.

    You need to draft a critical mass of impact forwards in a narrow enough time frame.

    You need to avoid bad money contracts. You need to find good, young, cheap bottom six wingers without expending assets to acquire them or overpaying them.

    (Largely) Gone are the days of bamboozoling other GM’s in a blockbuster trade. Chiarelli is a dying breed.

    If you’re building your bottom half of the roster with aged UFA signings or waiver wire fodder, you’re doing it wrong.

    If you’re burning ELC years developing players in the NHL, you’re beyond help.

    Good points.

    You are correct – it probably isn’t rocket science. However, the geniuses have left some land mines for the incoming GM (and hopefully his new staff). There are a couple of things working in his favour- but it won’t be simple.

  61. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    “When you put skill ahead of work, you get burned and there’s just too much of that going on.” – Ken Hitchcock.

    Thoughts?

  62. GMB3 says:

    mustang:
    When Brad Malone is one of the best players on the ice for a team fighting for the playoffs that says

    A lot. These guys are playing like they don’t want to be here. It’s something I don’t understand, I don’t

    get how most players are not giving maximum effort, not skating, not battling, not making the right play.

    Some of these guys are ending their NHL careers the way they are playing, other’s are costing

    themselves millions and their reputation. Snowflakes

    People who call other people snowflakes are a joke.

    Anyone with two eyes and a beating heart can see the issues across the roster. We expect Draisaitl, McD and RNH to play 20+ mins a game every game in the most important and difficult stages of the game, with them being our only real chance at winning a game, and expect them to succeed every night?

    San Jose does a nice job against McDavid. Good teams have other players who can step up in those situations.

  63. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Jethro Tull: Zero reason? There’s at least a couple of million reasons that a playoff series in a hockey mad city that a team had got into in the most dramatic fashion. Imagine the sports story potential alone!

    And again, is the answer to sucking to suck even more? It got.us the best player in the world and yet we are here still. Maybe shake things up a little?

    IF they are able to find a GM who isn’t a troglodyte, giving him as many bullets as possible to clear house is a good plan to me.

    They can be used to get rid of players while keeping picks for the team to use. I also think a team this depleted needs a high pick to replenish in a very deep draft.

    Of course Katz has said playoffs or die, so forward thinking isn’t the team plan. It’s shame, it could cause pain in the future. There is more money to be made in building strength, but he wants to chase this year’s bonus at a future cost. This season is a sunk cost, don’t throw assets at it chasing it down the swirly bowl.

    I don’t think spending to get a better winger player will make the difference. Let the new GM find that player when Stone and Ehlers are available, or someone like that in the summer when hockey deals are made.

    Maybe a new coach can get 3M worth of points out of Spooner and he can help mid 6 and if they can’t catapult him.

    I’m all in for Q as coach and keeping Vivieros and actually using him. Q can decide but I think Manny is the right type of coach in outlook. Q would know about Yawney. I have no confidence in Gulatzan, he should find himself a HC gig, having too many on one team I’m not a fan of.

    I’d clear the decks. While I love Kassian’s skating and forechecking, he is clearly not interested in evolving his game and the stupid pointless penalties are killers. He doesn’t score enough to not play a clean game.

    I also regardless of salary don’t think Drai is at a point to play C, he’s not responsible enough yet.
    I also don’t like him with Connor despite their scoring, Connor needs defensive help as he pucks watches and looks to cheat.

    Connor can do that, he’s the world’s best player, no one else should, they don’t bring enough through the ‘entire’ 60 minutes. Leon gets his points, but he is useless for large stretches of the game, he’s not carrying play through the whole 60 at this point. Scoring is important, but so is helping consistently or other players have to carry that player too much when the battle is on.

    Connor JP
    Nuge Drai
    Khaira Reider

    Klefbom Larsson
    Nurse
    Sekera

    Koskinen, Talbot if he’ll take what there is for salary left at G

    Those are my core.

    For me Lucic, Brodziak, Chaisson, Rattie, Malone are too slow. Kassian is too erratic, I don’t have a read on Cave.

    Benning is getting to be a concern with his UBIs and I think is not quick enough for his size, Gravel and Manning are marginally acceptable puck challenged 7D (but I think Jones is a better choice as he can skate and pass), Petrovic is too slow, and Russell to me is a vortex that sucks the black disc into the D zone and won’t let it out.

    I think players need to play with assertiveness, but being a hammer when you can’t get near opponents or handle the puck isn’t worth a big hit every game or two. Passing, skating well and hard for 60 minutes, everyone helping consistently at what they are assigned to do. No passengers. That is the way forward and up.

  64. Oilman99 says:

    Ryan:
    Having a look at the Sharks roster a few interesting things jump out…

    I didn’t watch their deployment very carefully, so I’m relying off daily face off for their line combos.

    On the fourth line, they have two undrafted wingers in Goodrow (OHL) and Karlsson (SEL). Goodrow is cheap $650k, but Karlsson is $2m though he also can play pivot.

    Gambrell (listed as 4c) was drafted in the second after Benson, he’s only played 5 games in the NHL and was near ppg in the AHL.

    Sorensen (700k) and Leblanc (730k) are wings on the third line with Jumbo Joe. Leblanc was a sixth round steal from the 2014 draft. He had forty points last season and represents extreme value. Even his next contract has a cap hit of $1.5m. It’s not fair. He has 36 points in 56 games this season. Sorensen is a fourth round pick from 2010 by the senators. Not sure what happened, but he was signed to an ELC by the Sharks.

    Talk about getting your money for nothing (cheap contracts) and bottom six wingers for free (no asset cost).

    For their second line, they have Kane and Donskoi centered by Hertl. Hertl is a ppg player drafted 17th ov in the Yakupov draft year. Donskoi is a fourth round pick from 2010 by the Panthers. Again, they signed Donskoi to an ELC, so no asset cost. He’s also on a $1.9 m contract.

    Maybe the Oilers should be shopping wingers in the drafted in fourth roundish playing in Euro league and not given a contract by their drafting team aisle.

    For the top line, they have Meier / couture/ Pavelski. Meier is their 2015th 9 ov pick. Pavelski is their 2003 7th round pick!Couture of coursewas drafted after Gagner.

    So yeah, they have a deep roster due to the ageless Joes, killing us in the the 2007 and 2012 drafts, and poaching some forgotten drafted players.

    What’s surprising is that Kane is their only UFA signing of note for the forwards.

    SanJose is a perfect example of what one of the top GM’s in the league can do. Good cap management,smart drafting, and the ability to identify value added third and fourth line players,rather than grabbing waver picks in desperation to save your ass.

  65. Ryan says:

    jtblack: I think this shows the Oranizatiin has to be competent in MULTIPLE AREAS:

    1) Amateur Scouting.
    2) Pro Scouting
    3) Developing players
    4) Pro Trades
    5) UFA Signings
    6) Cap Management

    Edmonton is currently 0 – 6 thanks to Chiarelli.

    Good summary.

    If the Oilers want to compete, they absolutely need to invest in improving their amature and euro scouting especially.

    Obviously they need to stop rushing draft picks.

    They need to invest in an analytics department.

    As for UFA signings, the Sharks show us that less is more in this department. It’s better to shop in the undrafted / drafted not signed aisles.

    Pro trades don’t happen often anymore. They need to stop making stupid trades obviously. Again, less is more. If the Oilers could have hypothetically not made a single pro trade during Chiarelli’s tenure, they’d be way ahead. In fact, we’d be at least be a playoff caliber team.

    By making fewer trades and less a UFA signings alone, that would help the cap.

  66. jtblack says:

    “Oilers in 2018: 24-26-5, 53 points; goal differential -20”

    Hunter Death Marxh. Who had 78 points? 79?

    Think I called 92 pointss and missing playoffs. But deep down was hoping they could repeat 2016 / 17. in Hindsight and my reason for having edm missing wss they needed SO MANY THINGS to break the right way.

    LUCIC BOUNCE BACK – No
    TALBOT BOUNCE BACK – No
    KOSKINEN – Wild card
    PERFECT HEALTH – No
    SEKERA GOOD – No

    MCDAVID HEALTH – Yes
    LEON DRIVE OWN LINE – No
    RNH GOOD YEAR – Yes
    SECONDARY SCORING – No
    JP BIG STEP FORWARD – No

    PP IMPROVE – Yes
    PK IMPROVE – Not enough

    Not enough things broke the right way and with No depth the Oilers needed 80% of them.

    THIS IS US

  67. Professor Q says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Rattie was beating McDavid on some forecheck rushes yesterday. How is he slow?

  68. Derek says:

    Send Jesse down to play for a Calder cup and get him away from this shitshow. Leave all of the other prospects down.

    Play out the string. The day after game 82 fire everyone. Pray that Katz sells the team to a real hockey fan and let us never reference the 80’s again. Its too late to build a good team and repair your tarnished legacies boys. Its too late by about 10 years.

  69. Oddspell says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    “When you put skill ahead of work, you get burned and there’s just too much of that going on.” – Ken Hitchcock.

    Thoughts?

    We’ve heard this sentiment for so long that I assume there must be something about the Oilers that beats the will to work out of you as a player. Half the players in the locker room were brought in to be character guys.

    Maybe it’s the losing? Maybe we need skill to win, and when we’re winning, players have better attitudes?

  70. Oilman99 says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    “When you put skill ahead of work, you get burned and there’s just too much of that going on.” – Ken Hitchcock.

    Thoughts?

    My take is that there are players more interested in padding their stats (Draisaitl?) than sticking to the system. Sometimes the head gets too big to fit in the helmet.

  71. JimmyV1965 says:

    mustang:
    When Brad Malone is one of the best players on the ice for a team fighting for the playoffs that says

    A lot. These guys are playing like they don’t want to be here. It’s something I don’t understand, I don’t

    get how most players are not giving maximum effort, not skating, not battling, not making the right play.

    Some of these guys are ending their NHL careers the way they are playing, other’s are costing

    themselves millions and their reputation. Snowflakes

    Hey, I think I’ve heard this before. Taylor Hall didn’t back check. Jordan Eberle didn’t battle. Justin Schultz never made the right play. Any of those intangibles are simply a by-product of having a crappy team. This team doesn’t win because it doesn’t have talent. Full stop. What looks like lack of effort is simply a mentally fragile team with players who know even their best effort will result in a loss. The Oiler way would be to trade the few talented players for worse players with character, who somehow lose that character once they step on the ice for a pathetic team. Put the players in a position to succeed and they will play better. We wait to see how the next GM handles this.

  72. Golden Moment says:

    jtblack: I think this shows the Oranizatiin has to be competent in MULTIPLE AREAS:

    1) Amateur Scouting.
    2) Pro Scouting
    3) Developing players
    4) Pro Trades
    5) UFA Signings
    6) Cap Management

    Edmonton is currently 0 – 6 thanks to Chiarelli.

    I completely agree, though I would also suggest that this has been evident for more than a decade. The management of the Oilers, from top to bottom, needs to experience a seismic shift. On all of your points it is quite apparent that the current decision makers have no sense of VISION or of providing a means for implementing whatever vision they have.

  73. Oilman99 says:

    Professor Q:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Rattie was beating McDavid on some forecheck rushes yesterday. How is he slow?

    Once the whipping boy,always the whipping boy.

  74. Derek says:

    Hire this guy for Koskinen in the offseason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85i5CpyBv-Q

    He may be the only one that can make that contract palatable.

  75. godot10 says:

    slopitch:
    Ive a little bit checked out and barely watched the game. It sounds like Lucic is having a good 2019. Time to get out of that contract? Id move Russell and Kassian as well. Neither Nurse or Russell can make an outlet pass, id like to see Sekera with Nurse. Move Brodziak too if you can. As LT said, the play is to sell now. And give JP 15 a night on the top 2 lines ffs. Id also consider sending him down for a playoff run.

    I saw the Drai lack of coverage highlight. I thought it was a typical 3 v 2 but the left dman went wanderlust (assuming Drai would cover?). Anyways Drai did blow the coverage just thought there was more going on.

    Drai blew the coverage badly. Kassian’s laziness coming back was primarily responsible for the first goal against. It wasn’t as obvious, but just as bad. However too many people here like Kassian’s bad penalties, low shooting percentage, horrible penalty killing, and unreliability, and think he would be a good fit for McDavid.

  76. Professor Q says:

    Oddspell: We’ve heard this sentiment for so long that I assume there must be something about the Oilers that beats the will to work out of you as a player. Half the players in the locker room were brought in to be character guys.

    Maybe it’s the losing? Maybe we need skill to win, and when we’re winning, players have better attitudes?

    I think that’s what Hall said the one year. He was the only one who kept going and everyone thought his championship pedigree would spread to the others (4 years of losing at that point) but eventually with a few more years he admitted it was draining.

    So it continues.

  77. Gret99zky says:

    Thank you to those who have mentioned cap space.

    Trading off draft picks or a package of AHL players for established NHLers or minor league standouts is not an option right now.

    They need to clear cap space to get their own bloody players in the line-up. (Sekera)

  78. frjohnk says:

    godot10: Kassian’s bad penalties, low shooting percentage, horrible penalty killing, and unreliability, and think he would be a good fit for McDavid.

    They like Kassians eyes and grits.

  79. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10,

    Rieder has never been used as a top line forward. There are myriadand manifest reasons for this that we are seeing in real time.

  80. frjohnk says:

    Yesterday, I said I smell a winning streak.

    In my defense, i didnt say for which team.

  81. frjohnk says:

    Anaheim Ducks
    ‏Verified account @AnaheimDucks
    3m3 minutes ago

    BREAKING: Executive Vice President/General Manager Bob Murray will take over as interim head coach for the remainder of the regular season. Randy Carlyle has been relieved of his duties.

  82. Oddspell says:

    Professor Q: I think that’s what Hall said the one year. He was the only one who kept going and everyone thought his championship pedigree would spread to the others (4 years of losing at that point) but eventually with a few more years he admitted it was draining.

    So it continues.

    The Oilers are the company that cuts your dental benefits, freezes your pay, and takes away the coffee machine and then wonders why you won’t come in on Saturday.

  83. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    @AnaheimDucks

    BREAKING: Executive Vice President/General Manager Bob Murray will take over as interim head coach for the remainder of the regular season. Randy Carlyle has been relieved of his duties.

  84. Jethro Tull says:

    John Cleese on the word Snowflake:

    “Yes I’ve heard this word. I think sociopaths use it in an attempt to discredit the notion of empathy.”

  85. razor says:

    Let’s be real here for a sec guys. There’s no way that the Oilers will be buyers at the deadline no matter what their record states. Currently we don’t have a GM with a mandate. KG will be on a a very short lease until the braintrust finds their new knight in shiny armour. I’m sure Nicholson has only given the green light to clear the dead weight to free up cap space for offseason moves. It’s clear this team ain’t going anywhere even if it does squeak into the playoffs. No need to get worked up into a fine dust over whether they should buy or sell.

    Say bye bye to Talbot, Petrovic, Kassian,maybe Manning, Benning, or Chiasson.

  86. Jethro Tull says:

    Carlyle’s available! Get him!

  87. godot10 says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    “When you put skill ahead of work, you get burned and there’s just too much of that going on.” – Ken Hitchcock.

    Thoughts?

    Partly. But when you play some forwards 25 minutes per game, they may develop bad habits, like trying to conserve energy. So it is partly on the coach also.

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dicky94:
    I really hope Jones is on the same flight as Sekera when they bring him back.

    Nah – leave the prospects where they are – let them continue to play big and important minutes, let them continue to enjoy success as a group.

    I want them all left down there – I don’t even want the team purged of older guys like Russell because they are important to the AHL team and I want them to go as far as possible.

    Of course, if we are able to sell at the deadline, there will be the need to get some bodies in Edmonton – the negative of selling.

    Hopefully they get replenished in the AHL as the CHL seasons come to an end (Samorukov, Maksimov, McLeod, Bouchard).

  89. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    SwedishPoster: He’s trying to prove OriginalPouzar wrong. He also eats 15000 calories a day and gets up really late in the morning.

    ZING!!

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    The Rattie injury creates a cap problem if he’s out and needs to be replaced on the roster.

    We currenty need to clear apx $1.2M for Sekera’s impending return.

    If Rattie needs to go on IR and they want to call someone up to replace him, we add that cap hit – it should be Spooner but that adds just over $1M. A guy like P. Russell or Joe G. adds apx $700K.

    Either way, that makes it tougher to activate Sekera (and he will be activated) without a more material roster move.

    Rattie has recently cleared waivers and is still within the period to be sent down – they can’t re-assign a player that needs to be on IR though.

  91. leadfarmer says:

    Oilman99: My take is that there are players more interested in padding their stats (Draisaitl?) than sticking to the system. Sometimes the head gets too big to fit in the helmet.

    Sometimes these guys realize that they are the only shot their team has to score and that combined with having to play too many minutes they don’t have enough gas in the tank to give 100% every shift for 82 games
    There is a reason the 21 min and up TOI is populated by players of teams that won’t make playoffs plus Jets and OV
    Stamkos Point and Kucherov play 18-19 min a game for a reason and it’s not because their coach wouldn’t like them on the ice longer

  92. JimmyV1965 says:

    leeinvan:
    The team simply isn’t 1 or 2 players away from contending.

    Factor in the team has Zero cap space, it reminds me of the Philli team about 4 years ago.

    Philli ended up doing a re-build (even though they never called it that) but now Philli has all sorts of talent coming. They have a bright future.

    This team as it stands does not have a bright future, Sure if you can move Lucic, Russel, Spooner and maybe Sekera and bring almost no money back then there is hope. Otherwise you are just fooling around like Peter C did hoping to find gold with a player everyone else doesn’t want.

    Hope is better than despair, and right now this team has no hope, as a long suffering fan, I’m fine if they blow it up and start again as long as its done right.

    Teams that were crap have proven it can be done right, Chicago before they won their cups, Toronto now and Tampa before they became a powerhouse. Most of the core players on these teams were drafted, its that simple.

    Trying to trade your way to a championship cant be done. Only teams that have big time depth can make a trade where they carry the hammer. Teams like the Oilers typically get whatother teams say they are going to give, (see Larson for Hall)

    Blow it up and this time do it right.

    Philly didn’t look like a contender six weeks ago. Funny how the addition of one single player can change that. Sorry, I’m not buying the narrative that trades somehow can’t improve the team. Oiler fans have been programmed to think trades are bad because we lose every damn trade we make. A GMs ability to make a good trade has nothing to do with their position in the standings. It defies logic. The narrative that the Oilers can’t make a trade because they suck needs to die a painful death. It’s an excuse for a litany of incompetent GMs. Get good players. Keep good players.

  93. tileguy says:

    Professor Q:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Rattie was beating McDavid on some forecheck rushes yesterday. How is he slow?

    Actually, I saw Rattie first one back on the backcheck as well, but he is playing for a contract. There is no motivation left on this team except for a few personal goals. Good night Irene.

  94. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Carlyle’s available! Get him!

    ZING!!!

  95. frjohnk says:

    Oilers should maybe look at prying that coach with nice hair from the San Diego Gulls before the Ducks bring him up.

  96. godot10 says:

    Oilman99: My take is that there are players more interested in padding their stats (Draisaitl?) than sticking to the system. Sometimes the head gets too big to fit in the helmet.

    Back to blaming our best players again, I see. #ItsAllHallsFault #ItsAllPetrysFault

  97. Richard S.S. says:

    If you sign your Player’s second contract with one year remaining on his ELC you may not known for how long. Whether 5-8 years or a Bridge deal, surity is not a given. McDavid was easy, but waiting on Draisaitl was a 3.5 – 5 Million mistake as he would have taken a 2-3 year Bridge deal for 3.5 – 5 Million. Each Player is different but waiting until the end of the ELC is usually a mistake. Any contract can be traded if you can pay the price for the return.

  98. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: Jones isn’t ready.You keep him away from the s$%show, and let him thrive at the AHL level through the playoffs.He got his first extended look this year, looked great early, and got overwhelmed by the end.Let him work on his game in the AHL for the rest of the year.

    +1000. Not a single prospect in the AHL should see the light of day on this roster. Only bring up the guys 25 and older. Let them continue to develop and enjoy winning.

  99. frjohnk says:

    godot10: Back to blaming our best players again, I see.#ItsAllHallsFault#ItsAllPetrysFault

    Leon Draisaitl is the new Taylor Hall.

  100. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    @PierreVLeBrun

    Murray had hoped to keep Carlyle behind the bench for the rest of the season but enough was enough. Also wanted to keep Dallas Eakins in AHL San Diego with the kids. So here’s the solution: Murray goes Lou Lamoriello-style behind the bench. The post-game scrums won’t be boring

  101. leadfarmer says:

    godot10: Back to blaming our best players again, I see.#ItsAllHallsFault#ItsAllPetrysFault

    It’s your fault the defensemen can’t get you the puck and it’s your fault you have to eat that many minutes cause we don’t have the depth
    And it’s your fault you need to score 3 goals or more each game between you Mcdavid and Nuge to provide enough cover for all our crappy Ricki d men

  102. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: Back to blaming our best players again, I see.#ItsAllHallsFault#ItsAllPetrysFault

    You think fucking people would learn after 10 years of this, but nope.

    Christ.

  103. texmex says:

    frjohnk,

    Draisaitl for Ceci!!

    1 for 1

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    Who is proposing to “lose on purpose”?

    I don’t think any fan, poster, blogger, media member, coach or GM has proposed that.

    What many (most) propose is to not bleed future assets to try and make a run for the 2nd wild card spot this year – try and perform some calculated asset management at the deadline to open up some cap space in the next year to try and improve in the off-season and to move on from the free agents that aren’t to be brought back.

    I am on board with the above and I will be in front of the TV each and every game (and live in person at Gila on March 16) hoping for a win and an entertaining game.

    Go Oilers!

    Go Patient and Calculated Management!

  105. Scungilli Slushy says:

    pts2pndr:
    Regardless of last night game it is very difficult for any team to play an opposition team and the officials! It is embarassing the number of non calls on McDavid. After he beat the the icing call in the early goingand gave the officials the look there was little the other team couldn’t do to Connor. That is wrong!After the phantom call on Klefbom I changed channels. The NHLhas the worst officials in all of pro sport!

    Katz needs to call up Bettman and scream about it like a guy who just brought a big new arena to the league, but he won’t.

  106. frjohnk says:

    At 5 on 5 with RNH, McDavid and Drai on the bench the team is scoring
    0.97 goals per 60
    GF% of 30%!!!!!!!!!!

    Whats the word for a dog barking while barfing?

  107. Ryan says:

    JimmyV1965: Philly didn’t look like a contender six weeks ago. Funny how the addition of one single player can change that. Sorry, I’m not buying the narrative that trades somehow can’t improve the team. Oiler fans have been programmed to think trades are bad because we lose every damn trade we make. A GMs ability to make a good trade has nothing to do with their position in the standings. It defies logic. The narrative that the Oilers can’t make a trade because they suck needs to die a painful death. It’s an excuse for a litany of incompetent GMs. Get good players. Keep good players.

    That was not my point.

    I think that the idea that the next GM is going to come in here and make a string of astute trades to turn this team around is pure folly.

    It’s a pipe dream that many here cling to.

    There is always the opportunity out there to make one good hockey trade, sure.

    The next GM isn’t going to magically move out the litany or bad contracts, clear cap and bring in the cavalry for next season.

    We’re in for a long haul here most likely.

    It will start with riding out the Manning and spooner contracts. Maybe we buyout Lucic in a year.

    In this day and age, you don’t build a team with brilliant trades and UFA signings, you build through the draft. We don’t have the prospect pool to right the ship yet either

  108. Cassandra says:

    This team is going to keep losing until they start valuing skill players.

    This team has the least amount of skill in the NHL. And yet

    Ryan Spooner is playing in the AHL.

    They passed on Josh Leivo

    They passed on Brandon Pirri.

    Meanwhile Puljujarvi is dying on the vine.

    This part of being an NHL general manager shouldn’t be that hard.

  109. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: You think fucking people would learn after 10 years of this, but nope.

    Christ.

    When we have 4 lines of depth and our best f play 18-19 min a game we can analyze lack of effort on d.
    But as long as we are beating them like a rented mule and switching their position and thus theirdefensive assignment on a game to game basis as well as their linemates I don’t want to hear it

    Does Sekera have enough turd polishing in the tank to survive Russell?

  110. Cassandra says:

    This is why the Oilers need to lose. If they lose, they probably won’t learn the lesson they need to learn. However, if they win they definitely won’t learn the lesson.

    Skill is the only thing that matters.

    Keep adding skill. Don’t worry about roles. The Oilers problem is the same as it ever was. They don’t have enough skill and they give it away for free.

    If you care about the Oilers at all you should against the team. If they somehow rebound they’ll think they are doing things right.

  111. frjohnk says:

    Cassandra: This part of being an NHL general manager shouldn’t be that hard.

    For the ones that still put value of character, good in the room, heaviness, etc, GMing is hard.

  112. godot10 says:

    Further to Drai’s blunder on the 2nd goal. The mistake unfolded right in front of the Oilers bench. No coach or Oiler player on the bench yelled out to Draisaitl that Kane was tracking with speed through Drai’s blindspot.

    It was his mistake, but the bench failed him.

  113. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    PIT is in danger of sliding out of the playoffs.

    I wonder why……oh.Oh my.

    5v5 Goal ShareGF%
    Pittsburgh Penguins53.4
    Jack Johnson On Ice39.0
    Jack Johnson Off Ice60.0

    Another argument in favour of Torts. He makes teams more than the sum of their parts. Last time that was in eTown… he went by the name of Kruger…… oh those were the days…

  114. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Cassandra:
    This is why the Oilers need to lose.If they lose, they probably won’t learn the lesson they need to learn.However, if they win they definitely won’t learn the lesson.

    Skill is the only thing that matters.

    Keep adding skill.Don’t worry about roles.The Oilers problem is the same as it ever was.They don’t have enough skill and they give it away for free.

    If you care about the Oilers at all you should against the team.If they somehow rebound they’ll think they are doing things right.

    Oh my are you ever correct! ‘Character & leadership’ is not this team’s problem. Swap Drai for Mike Keane, Guy Carbonneau, Kirk Muller, Bob Bassen……. even Gordie Howe himself and this is still a losing team. Character doesn’t put pucks in the net in the regular season.

  115. Pescador says:

    godot10: Jones isn’t ready.You keep him away from the s$%show, and let him thrive at the AHL level through the playoffs.He got his first extended look this year, looked great early, and got overwhelmed by the end.Let him work on his game in the AHL for the rest of the year.

    Completely agree with keeping Jones away from the Oilers.
    Disagree on his readiness,
    On a good team Jones plays sheltered 3rd pairing min against the other teams dregs.
    O-zone starts, 2nd PP mins and decent veteran D for cover.
    This is how you baptize a rookie D,
    We just can’t fathom such things because we’re Oiler fans.
    Nope, how about 1st pairing mins 9 games into your NHL career & your the Anchor in front of forwards that don’t back check.
    “Geez, looks like Jones isn’t ready yet!”
    Fucking Oilers

  116. Admiral Ackbar says:

    frjohnk: Leon Draisaitl is the new Taylor Hall.

    He centred him for a few years….. it must be contagious.

    He doesn’t bring his lunchbox and hard hat to work so he’s clearly an elite pretty-boy that needs to be brought down a million pegs….

    🤢 🤮

  117. Jethro Tull says:

    Cassandra:
    This is why the Oilers need to lose.If they lose, they probably won’t learn the lesson they need to learn.However, if they win they definitely won’t learn the lesson.

    Skill is the only thing that matters.

    Keep adding skill.Don’t worry about roles.The Oilers problem is the same as it ever was.They don’t have enough skill and they give it away for free.

    If you care about the Oilers at all you should against the team.If they somehow rebound they’ll think they are doing things right.

    Woodguy v2.0: You think fucking people would learn after 10 years of this, but nope.

    Christ.

    I was going to say something about having to be open to the lesson, but WG pre-answered not only me but Cassandra’s post too.

  118. JimmyV1965 says:

    Ryan: That was not my point.

    I think that the idea that the next GM is going to come in here and make a string of astute trades to turn this team around is pure folly.

    It’s a pipe dream that many here cling to.

    There is always the opportunity out there to make one good hockey trade, sure.

    The next GM isn’t going to magically move out the litany or bad contracts, clear cap and bring in the cavalry for next season.

    We’re in for a long haul here most likely.

    It will start with riding out the Manning and spooner contracts. Maybe we buyout Lucic in a year.

    In this day and age, you don’t build a team with brilliant trades and UFA signings, you build through the draft. We don’t have the prospect pool to right the ship yet either

    I would argue that one good trade could make a dramatic impact on this team. One real legit top six winger who can score will give us the building blocks for two scoring lines. It will make the transition for young players to said scoring lines much easier because they can tag along with the other two. One good trade won’t make us a Cup contender, but it will lift us out of the dregs.

    I’m also getting tired of the narrative that Lucic can’t be traded. We may have to eat $3 mill, but a creative, astute GM can easily trade Lucic. We’ve been programmed to expect bad trades because we have experienced a litany of incompetent GMs.

  119. Biggus Dickus says:

    Jethro Tull:
    You’ve said before LT, you make a history for yourself (or words to that effect).

    What are you saying to the players when you fire Todd and bring in the most known quantity, almost a universal hockey constant, in Hitch? Are you saying “hey, we know the roster has flaws but we feel there’s room for growth within the team” or, are you saying “there’s nothing wrong with this roster, it’s effort, character etc, and we’re going to give you guys a taskmaster”?

    We here like our sample sizes and Hitch has the biggest. Like Rieder, we KNEW what Hitch was and is and yet a part of us hopes beyond hope we’re wrong this time and maybe a guy who hasn’t scored all year CAN play McDavid’s wing, or Hitch does match the practice to the preaching.

    I’m for prog-hock across the board. Innovative GM with a coach that can actually motivate without threat.

    I’ve started to change my tune on how to manage new generation players. 10-20 years ago you could make a threat, and never need to act on it, but now you have a generation of kids who have never been disciplined because the world they live in is butter soft, so they laugh off any threat. What you have to do is be the father that they haven’t had (metaphorically). Last season I cut my best reciever for attitude issues, and the rest of the team took note and the culture noticeably shifted. I don’t think that the motivations of individuals has changed, it’s just that they perceive the likelihood portion of the risk as lower. They still respect the consequence. The Oilers culture issues stem from the fact that until hitch, there has been absolutely no consequence. I’ve seen the Oilers out late the day before an afternoon game; this isn’t heresay, it’s fact. Connor had more integrity at 18 than anybody in the organization. I was told by someone in the organization that one day TMac had the PP1 vs PK2 going against eachother. He had the team bet on whether pp1 would score, whoever bet wrong would skate laps. Connor was the lone man who bet on the powerplay.

    This team doesn’t need “character” and “buy-in”, it need to create it by not being what it chooses to be. How many former Oilers do we need spelling this out? NHL players talk like their stupid, but they aren’t. They understand that their organization is incapable of fielding a competitive team. I imagine it’s like being in junior high and seeing the opposing basketball team are all 6’8. Say Kassian is your 1RW, do you think he actually thinks he can outscore Patrick Kane? Ever single member of this team has been set up for failure. Every single one. Then we wonder why they have trouble showing up to another butt-kicking.

    The solution is clear, and it has been since at least 2013. Clear out the management. Install good decision makers. Then hold players accountable to the organization. Right now we have Kangaroo Hockey. We have 7 players with over 5 or more goals. The St. Louis blues who we are chasing has 13. The Leafs, who were in roughly the same situation as us more recently than us have 9 players with more than 10 goals, and 8 players with more points than our 4th highest scorer (Nurse), and 13 players with at least as many points as our 6th highest scorer. That’s 4 forward lines before we can ice 2. And we’re here harping about character.

  120. greenshifter says:

    godot10,

    Excuse of the day!

  121. Bruce McCurdy says:

    godot10:
    Further to Drai’s blunder on the 2nd goal.The mistake unfolded right in front of the Oilers bench.No coach or Oiler player on the bench yelled out to Draisaitl that Kane was tracking with speed through Drai’s blindspot.

    It was his mistake, but the bench failed him.

    Excellent point.

    “the bench” also failed him after a shift when Leon got his helmet ripped off in the corner, then 23 white threw a high crosscheck at his exposed head/neck area in response to a much lower-level foul & Thing One was not done about that I saw other than a bullshit coincidental penalty call.

    If you got ten plumbers on the bench, surely rallying around the actual talent should be high on their priority list. Didn’t see much pushback from the Oil on any level last night.

    Shitty reffing did not help, but there was ample garbage time to not give a fuck about that aspect. But i wasn’t left with the impression that too many of them gave a fuck at all. A very discouraging game.

  122. Ryan says:

    JimmyV1965: I would argue that one good trade could make a dramatic impact on this team. One real legit top six winger who can score will give us the building blocks for two scoring lines. It will make the transition for young players to said scoring lines much easier because they can tag along with the other two. One good trade won’t make us a Cup contender, but it will lift us out of the dregs.

    I’m also getting tired of the narrative that Lucic can’t be traded. We may have to eat $3 mill, but a creative, astute GM can easily trade Lucic. We’ve been programmed to expect bad trades because we have experienced a litany of incompetent GMs.

    For sure, we can expect some incremental improvement. It’s hard to make that big trade when you lack cap space. Teams with cap flexibility have found some real bargains recently. Jeff Skinner…

    Maybe you find a way to pry Ehlers from Winnipeg, but it will be expensive.

    Really though, the roster has so many holes to fill. You really need internal solutions instead of Brodziaks and Caves.

    We could literally use four top six wingers, a 3c, and a 2RD..

  123. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Ryan,

    And two goalies!

  124. jzed says:

    Wow, all the angst! Management doesn’t care, why should we? Send JP down so he can play on the good team, when Reggie is ready, send down Manning and Brodziak and Petrovic, so the good team has some depth for the playoffs. Run the Oilers D as is with Gravel in or out for Benning. Hope Kass plays himself into some trade value, heck, include Talbot in that boat. Show Lucic some prime undervalued Vancouver real estate he can enjoy with his retirement money. Then get busy finding hockey ops guy who will clean out the executive offices and start from scratch. There, about the best you can do with this Oiler team.

  125. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    John Cleese on the word Snowflake:

    “Yes I’ve heard this word. I think sociopaths use it in an attempt to discredit the notion of empathy.”

    …says the 80 year old comedian who’s regularly left to go live in the USA to chase American women then returns regularly back to the UK for a few years, only to leave again in a huff before returning again for a few years……rinse repeat.

  126. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I think the trend in these results over the last 3 years speaks well to the degradation of talent in the org.

    McDavid and Draisaitl together:
    Season CF%
    16/17 53.9
    17/18 54.4
    18/19 50.2

    Season GF%
    16/17 59.4
    17/18 57.4
    18/19 59.3

    So far so good. The two best players are great together. CF% is meh, but they outscore their CF% routinely like other high end pairs

    McDavid without Draisaitl
    Season CF%
    16/17 52.2
    17/18 51.3
    18/19 49.9

    Season GF%
    16/17 65.5
    17/18 56.8
    18/19 42.1

    Slow and slight decline in CF% and the GF% is a travesty.

    Draisaitl without McDavid
    Season CF%
    16/17 47.7
    17/18 50.4
    18/19 44.3

    Season GF%
    16/17 44.2
    17/18 42.4
    18/19 43.3

    That’s just sad. Can’t lay it all at Leon’s feet either. No help.

    Neither McDavid or Draisaitl on the ice
    Season CF%
    16/17 48.5
    17/18 49.3
    18/19 47.7

    Season GF%
    16/17 50.4
    17/18 41.2
    18/19 37.9

    God Gord. Really? How the hell do you bleed out like that?

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Rieder has been used incorrectly by both coaches.Rieder should be used to add speed a defensive awareness to a McDavid or Draisaitl line.Draisaitl has been effective away from McDavid with Rieder (small sample size) but they keep putting Draisaitl back with McDavid.

    Rieder should be playing with McDavid and Nugent-Hopkins (Draisaitl is acceptable) for defensive awareness, and to compliment McDavid’s speed.

    Neither Draisaitl, nor McDavid are diligent defensively.Rieder helps ameliorate that.

    There has been no coach that has played Rieder in the top 6 for more than a small sample.

    I think this is because he is not a top 6 player – it’s not just two coaches it’s all the coaches over many years and multiple teams.

  128. Woogie63 says:

    A significan issue is the coach is not play the way the roster was constructed.

    The team was built for;

    McDavid, Draisaitl and Hopkins each running a line for about 45 minutes of 5v5 time.

    Kassian and Chiasson are your 3RW and 4RW depth guys

    Puljujarvi needs one our three best centers and 2PP

    Koskinen is the goalie, nothing Talbo does now will increase his value at the trade deadline and he is not coming back

    Russell is the 3LHD

    Hitch will be in the HHOF but right now he is over coaching.

  129. --hudson-- says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The Rattie injury creates a cap problem if he’s out and needs to be replaced on the roster.

    We currenty need to clear apx $1.2M for Sekera’s impending return.

    If Rattie needs to go on IR and they want to call someone up to replace him, we add that cap hit – it should be Spooner but that adds just over $1M. A guy like P. Russell or Joe G. adds apx $700K.

    Either way, that makes it tougher to activate Sekera (and he will be activated) without a more material roster move.

    Rattie has recently cleared waivers and is still within the period to be sent down – they can’t re-assign a player that needs to be on IR though.

    If the Oilers were to demote Jesse to the AHL and run a 22 man roster, does all of his $925k come off the cap? That along with waiving Petrovic or Manning might be a win-win. Jesse gets to play significant minutes in a winning environment and Oilers get to upgrade the back end.

  130. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909: …says the 80 year old comedian who’s regularly left to go live in the USA to chase American women then returns regularly back to the UK for a few years, only to leave again in a huff before returning again for a few years……rinse repeat.

    Lol yep. Doesn’t make him wrong in this, however.

  131. jzed says:

    hunter1909,

    Let me guess, this makes him a …..snowflake? I think you lack empathy…LOL

  132. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Pescador: Completely agree with keeping Jones away from the Oilers.
    Disagree on his readiness,
    On a good team Jones plays sheltered 3rd pairing min against the other teams dregs.O-zone starts, 2nd PP mins and decent veteran D for cover.
    This is how you baptize a rookie D,
    We just can’t fathom such things because we’re Oiler fans.
    Nope, how about 1st pairing mins 9 games into your NHL career & your the Anchor in front of forwards that don’t back check.
    “Geez, looks like Jones isn’t ready yet!”
    Fucking Oilers

    I think next year they can baptize him properly

  133. Gret99zky says:

    hunter1909,

    Jethro Tull,

    “I came here for an argument.”

    “No you didn’t!”

  134. Jethro Tull says:

    jzed:
    hunter1909,

    Let me guess, this makes him a …..snowflake? Ithink you lack empathy…LOL

    The circle is complete….

  135. StixMalone says:

    frjohnk:
    Oilers should maybe look at prying that coach with nice hair from the San Diego Gulls before the Ducks bring him up.

    Good one. That would be so Oilers.. I hope they are grooming Woodcroft. He is doing a fantastic job in Bakersfield. But the Oil never promote from within so some other team will get him….

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Drai blew the coverage badly.Kassian’s laziness coming back was primarily responsible for the first goal against.It wasn’t as obvious, but just as bad.Howevertoo many people here like Kassian’sbad penalties, low shooting percentage, horrible penalty killing, and unreliability, and think he would be a good fit for McDavid.

    I personally don’t like Kass at all with McDavid butbjisborocductiom recwntky (9 points on 11 games) makes him a better fit than Rieder even if Rieder has better defensive awareness.

  137. flyfish1168 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Excellent point.

    “the bench” also failed him after a shift when Leon got his helmet ripped off in the corner, then 23 white threw a high crosscheck at his exposed head/neck area in response to a much lower-level foul & Thing One was not done about that I saw other than a bullshit coincidental penalty call.

    If you got ten plumbers on the bench, surely rallying around the actual talent should be high on their priority list. Didn’t see much pushback from the Oil on any level last night.

    Shitty reffing did not help, but there was ample garbage time to not give a fuck about that aspect. But i wasn’t left with the impression that too many of them gave a fuck at all. A very discouraging game.

    Golf season just around the corner. You don’t want to come up with an injury prior to working on your handicap. just sayin

  138. Dustylegnd says:

    JimmyV1965: Hey, I think I’ve heard this before. Taylor Hall didn’t back check. Jordan Eberle didn’t battle. Justin Schultz never made the right play. Any of those intangibles are simply a by-product of having a crappy team. This team doesn’t win because it doesn’t have talent. Full stop. What looks like lack of effort is simply a mentally fragile team with players who know even their best effort will result in a loss. The Oiler way would be to trade the few talented players for worse players with character, who somehow lose that character once they step on the ice for a pathetic team. Put the players in a position to succeed and they will play better.We wait to see how the next GM handles this.

    Exactly, now we start to turn on Leon….”he doesn’t drive his own line” give him Mathew Tkachuk on one wing and Michael Frolik on the other …..then give him Noah Hannifin and Travis Hamonic to move the puck to him….watch Leon become a dominant dominant player

    But no, Leon gets a revolving pile off shit on either wing and 5 d men completely incapable of moving the puck in any efficient way….

    This roster is a disaster, and it plays on itself and compounds……the lack of talent in so many different areas makes all the players worse……..

    Imagine Conner with Gaudreau on one wing and Elias Lindholm on the other….watch all his “Defensive deficiencies” disappear…..then imagine Giordano and Brodie feeding him sweet sweet stretch passes….our roster is a bad joke….our defence provides no offence and our support players can’t score or check…and we wonder why we are going to miss the playoffs and our Tenders suck????

    Dom Luszczyszyn playoff probability update……Edmonton Oilers 11% which means if we run the remainder of the season 50,000 times 11% of the time…… the Oil make the playoffs as last team in….sounds good let’s do this

    Hell ya…. lets go all in Katzy……ya baby….offer up that draft pick…you may as well, because your player development crew will fuck that young man up beyond all recognition anyways….

    ohhhh but wait you can’t trade that pick for established NHLers with term because your Salary cap is at max with no wiggle….shit who knew that was going to happen under the watch of Chiarelli….

    ohh wait…he did the same thing to Boston ?????// Whisky Tango Foxtrot

    Well shit at least Nickle Bob conducted an exhaustive search for the new GM after the forensic audit……ohhh wait

    Worry not fandom…. K Lowe and his 2 dollar haircut and Bob are now conducting an exhaustive search for a new GM…one that fits the Oilers “culture” …….

    Are any of the GM’s from the California Golden Seals….or KC Scouts….or Cleveland Barrons alive….they were all Masters of the Culture of losing

  139. Dustylegnd says:

    Biggus Dickus: I’ve started to change my tune on how to manage new generation players. 10-20 years ago you could make a threat, and never need to act on it, but now you have a generation of kids who have never been disciplined because the world they live in is butter soft, so they laugh off any threat. What you have to do is be the father that they haven’t had (metaphorically). Last season I cut my best reciever for attitude issues, and the rest of the team took note and the culture noticeably shifted. I don’t think that the motivations of individuals has changed, it’s just that they perceive the likelihood portion of the risk as lower. They still respect the consequence. The Oilers culture issues stem from the fact that until hitch, there has been absolutely no consequence. I’ve seen the Oilers out late the day before an afternoon game; this isn’t heresay, it’s fact. Connor had more integrity at 18 than anybody in the organization. I was told by someone in the organization that one day TMac had the PP1 vs PK2 going against eachother. He had the team bet on whether pp1 would score, whoever bet wrong would skate laps. Connor was the lone man who bet on the powerplay.

    This team doesn’t need “character” and “buy-in”, it need to create it by not being what it chooses to be. How many former Oilers do we need spelling this out? NHL players talk like their stupid, but they aren’t. They understand that their organization is incapable of fielding a competitive team. I imagine it’s like being in junior high and seeing the opposing basketball team are all 6’8. Say Kassian is your 1RW, do you think he actually thinks he can outscore Patrick Kane? Ever single member of this team has been set up for failure. Every single one. Then we wonder why they have trouble showing up to another butt-kicking.

    The solution is clear, and it has been since at least 2013. Clear out the management. Install good decision makers. Then hold players accountable to the organization. Right now we have Kangaroo Hockey. We have 7 players with over 5 or more goals. The St. Louis blues who we are chasing has 13. The Leafs, who were in roughly the same situation as us more recently than us have 9 players with more than 10 goals, and 8 players with more points than our 4th highest scorer (Nurse), and 13 players with at least as many points as our 6th highest scorer. That’s 4 forward lines before we can ice 2. And we’re here harping about character.

    The truth!!!!!!….excellent post

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    –hudson–: If the Oilers were to demote Jesse to the AHL and run a 22 man roster, does all of his $925k come off the cap? That along with waiving Petrovic or Manning might be a win-win.Jesse gets to play significant minutes in a winning environment and Oilers get to upgrade the back end.

    Yes, his entire $925 comes off the cap.

  141. Dustylegnd says:

    Woodguy v2.0: You think fucking people would learn after 10 years of this, but nope.

    Christ.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArHNrCvwq4c

  142. McSorley33 says:

    This was yet another game where the coach and others have felt many players
    have not given their all…..it’s hard to accept.

    The roster sucks. That is a given now.

    But the lack of effort Hitch has called out is becoming a bit of a theme here.

    Same as it ever was….

  143. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Comparing Oilers prospects Tyler Benson and Kailer Yamamoto

    https://theathletic.com/810394/2019/02/10/comparing-oilers-prospects-tyler-benson-and-kailer-yamamoto/

  144. Dustylegnd says:

    Excellent excellent read today right here

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/brian-mcgrattan-calgary-flames-player-assistance-big-read/

    Great article about the roll the Flames created for McGrattan…..the one thing that stood out is he is a resource for all their pro players whether the are fighting demons of drugs and alcohol or just having trouble adapting to life as a pro….great excerpt on Dillon Dube using McGrratton as a sounding board for his transition to Pro life

    Great progressive leadership being shown by Calgary here creating this roll for their organization…..The LA Kings used to have a similar roll for Brant Myhers ….but alas now that their old boys club has taken over the roll was abolished….I see the Kings heading right down the same path as the Oilers and their OBC…..good luck Luke and Blake

  145. Ryan says:

    Ryan:
    Having a look at the Sharks roster a few interesting things jump out…

    I didn’t watch their deployment very carefully, so I’m relying off daily face off for their line combos.

    On the fourth line, they have two undrafted wingers in Goodrow (OHL) and Karlsson (SEL). Goodrow is cheap $650k, but Karlsson is $2m though he also can play pivot.

    Gambrell (listed as 4c) was drafted in the second after Benson, he’s only played 5 games in the NHL and was near ppg in the AHL.

    Sorensen (700k) and Leblanc (730k) are wings on the third line with Jumbo Joe. Leblanc was a sixth round steal from the 2014 draft. He had forty points last season and represents extreme value. Even his next contract has a cap hit of $1.5m. It’s not fair. He has 36 points in 56 games this season. Sorensen is a fourth round pick from 2010 by the senators. Not sure what happened, but he was signed to an ELC by the Sharks.

    Talk about getting your money for nothing (cheap contracts) and bottom six wingers for free (no asset cost).

    For their second line, they have Kane and Donskoi centered by Hertl. Hertl is a ppg player drafted 17th ov in the Yakupov draft year. Donskoi is a fourth round pick from 2010 by the Panthers. Again, they signed Donskoi to an ELC, so no asset cost. He’s also on a $1.9 m contract.

    Maybe the Oilers should be shopping wingers in the drafted in fourth roundish playing in Euro league and not given a contract by their drafting team aisle.

    For the top line, they have Meier / couture/ Pavelski. Meier is their 2015th 9 ov pick. Pavelski is their 2003 7th round pick!Couture of coursewas drafted after Gagner.

    So yeah, they have a deep roster due to the ageless Joes, killing us in the the 2007 and 2012 drafts, and poaching some forgotten drafted players.

    What’s surprising is that Kane is their only UFA signing of note for the forwards.

    Looking further at the smart kids… Next up Tampa Bay.

    Their entire fourth line consists of players they drafted. Not a 34-year-old Brodziak to be found.

    Erne-Paquette-Joseph. Entire line costs $2.5m or a little more than Kassian. Erne’s a second round pick, the other two from 4rth rounds.

    Oh, that’s 27 goals for $2.5m

    Makes you scratch your head at the thought of all the picks Chiarelli frittered away. What a profligate GM.

    Killorn-Cirelli-Miller. Killorn and Cirelli are both 3rd round Bolt picks. Miller is a first round pick they acquired in trade from the Rangers.

    Gourde-Point-Johnson. Gourde and Johnson are undrafted players of short stature. Point is a 3rd round pick.

    Palat-Stamkos -kucherov. Kucherov is a second round pick. Palat a 7th.

    Good gord an entire forward roster except for one player all drafted by the Bolts.

    The obvious problem with the Bolts model is that the Oilers might need more than 50 NHL drafts to find this many players outside of the first round.

  146. New Improved Darkness says:

    JimmyV1965:
    What looks like lack of effort is simply a mentally fragile team with players who know even their best effort will result in a loss.

    Close.

    What looks like lack of effort is simply a mentally fragile team whose best players know that only a 100% effort on their best nights will result in a win.

    Nobody has 82 best nights in any given season. Not even in a non-contact sport, much less a sport where every part of your body except your head, your knees, your ankles, and your nads are fair game.

    Fine print: The puck doesn’t get the memo about ankles.

    Loophole: The boards don’t get the memo about your head, unless you remain on your feet (head first into the boards while still on your feet is not fair game).

    But as they say in Groundhogville, nobody ever tossed and turned all night merely because they were worked over with a brick bat, over top of pre-existing lumps and bruises.

    ———

    In managing my own irregular sleep, I soon learned that giving 300% to compensate for being 33% fully awake left me giving 80% effort when I was 300% awake.

    Productivity goes like this:

    p = grittensity * mojo ^ 2

    3.0 * (1/3)^2 = 0.33 — why did I even bother?
    0.8 * (3)^2 = 7.2

    0.6 * (1/3)^2 = 6/10*1/9 = 0.07
    1.2 * (3)^2 = 10.8 — back check like a daemon when possessed by the manic muse

    10.8 + 0.07 > 7.2 + 0.33

    Eventually I learned to shut it down, relax, and take care of myself when my mojo went MIA. Then I would be 100% fresh and raring to go when the incandescent Chinook elevated my game to scorch marks.

    My underlying power grid is about 90% less volatile now that it used to be. That outcome was a decade in the making.

    The fiction of perfect self-regulation works up to a point. Just make it a habit, and try not to let your underlying state poke through.

    Heavy emphasis on “up to a point”.

    ———

    For those of you who like cognitive wine pairings, reading Creativity, Inc. and Imagine it Forward side by side is a mind-blowing experience.

    Ed Catmull is sober, intuitive, caring leader. He believes in story, and his prose is finely honed with craftsmanship.

    Beth Comstock would wade through corporate shit uphill in both directions if there was promotion in the offing. She believes in story, but her text is sprinkled with some of the most leaden clunkers I’ve ever encountered.

    Like nearly all public-company CEOs, Jeff was beholden to his shareholders and the consistent quarterly earnings they demand. GE business leaders accept that they have to deliver the financial plans they promise. “No surprises” is the motto. But as we had seen since 9/11, the world was becoming more volatile.

    A subprime mortgage crisis had been percolating under the surface of Wall Street for years. GE, as one of the largest non-bank financial institutions, had some exposure to these mortgages.

    But not to worry, there’s an adult in the room, who scurries off to McKinsey to pay them $3 million for an emergency heart scan, where the final report basically reads: what liquidity crisis?

    Hours later: oh, the Bear Stearns liquidity crisis! But that truly wasn’t foreseeable, apparently you have entirely the wrong idea about the service McKinsey sells: we only truck in known unknowns.

    So now the plan is to scurry around to find $17 billion to keep the lights on, which they eventually get from the Fed ($16 billion) when no-one else will pony up, and Buffet ($1 billion) when they promise a 10% annual dividend (not a bad rate of return at the foreseeable onset of a decade of debacle—unlike McKinsey, Buffet’s foresight is attached to his own purse strings).

    The day after we missed our earnings report, Gary Sheffer came in to tell me that Jack Welch was on CNBC and would be talking about GE’s earnings. At the time, Jack was showing up regularly to do guest hosting gigs on the channel. His bluntness made for good soundbites. And so, the day after we reported our earnings miss, Welch was on CNBC and someone asked him, “Jack. What if Jeff misses again?” Jack barely skipped a beat before saying, “I’d be shocked beyond belief, and I’d get a gun out and shoot him if he doesn’t make what he promised now,” he said. “Just deliver the earnings. Tell them you’re going to grow 12 percent and deliver the 12 percent.”

    Epic business-cycle denial field, but moving on.

    One misstep and you’re executed? Jack’s statement battered the internal story of nearly every GE employee, rattling our psyches. We couldn’t be the legendary deliver-the-earnings company if we couldn’t hit our numbers. Clearly, there was a lot of resetting to do.

    The vast majority of “hitting your numbers” transpires in the spreadsheet department. The real world does not cooperate with future transparency. There’s one black swan that two-fists venti drips, there’s another black swan that guzzles straight from the urn, and there’s a third black swan that drains the whole of Starbucks … and comes back looking for more (you’d be black, too, at this level of jolting Joe). Swans are happy drunks, but mind your tenders in the presence of swans with a mean buzz.

    What “hitting the numbers” actually means: it means that in your corporate culture, the spreadsheet department wields awesome power. Because life doesn’t fit into that orderly financial box without seventeen different bespoke crewcuts—and never will.

    Catmull does not suffer from the the volatility denial field; quite the opposite. Both Catmull and Jobs are terrified that Pixar is but one medium black swan away from going entirely tits up, fully cognizant of the Orion example:

    By March 1987, the studio’s fortunes increased dramatically with a succession of critical and commercial hits, including Platoon, Hannah and Her Sisters, and the sports film Hoosiers. Orion’s 1986 offerings totaled 18 Academy Award nominations, more than any other studio. In 1987, Orion achieved further success with RoboCop, and No Way Out.

    In 1989, Orion suffered from a disastrous slate of films, placing themselves dead last among the larger Hollywood studios in terms of box office revenue.

    Vaunted light at the end of the Orion tunnel in 1989: a dark comedy starring Meryl Streep and Roseanne Barr (and you think we’ve got problems with the line blender).

    Test screenings of the “Weird Al” Yankovic comedy UHF were so strong that Orion had high expectations for it.

    As Yankovic states in his commentary of the movie, UHF was thought to be the movie that would “save the studio” for Orion. He was treated very well because of this. He states in the commentary: “Every morning I would wake up to fresh strawberries next to my bed. Then, when the movie bombed, I woke up and …no more strawberries!

    Yes, how tragically soon the Hitchmas strawberry parfait turned into loud strawberries.

    The poor critical response of UHF left Yankovic in a slump that lasted for three years, impacting the finalization of his next studio album; the slump was broken when the band Nirvana rose to wide popularity, giving him the inspiration to write “Smells Like Nirvana” and complete the album Off the Deep End.

    Interestingly, David Cassidy had exactly the same response to having become too successful, and so he hunkered down for years in his Hawaiian hidey hole.

    ———

    I had to take a long walk on the wild side, because my underlying metabolism admitted no other fiction. Reading about the GE internal culture of variability denial makes my sphincter tighten.

    Zucker jumped straight from running the Harvard Crimson to a job as the researcher for the NBC Olympics in Seoul, in 1998. From there he leapt to producing Today, where he rose at warp speed, revamping it at age twenty-six and starting its sixteen-year run atop the morning ratings. He won because he was willing to take the most chances. People called him Machiavellian. Yet, no one underestimated him for long. He’d won two bouts with colon cancer. He was a gritty survivor.

    Jeff was prone to hissy fits that turned his face beet red, the kind of tantrums you eventually learned to let pass. Jeff and I had our disagreements …

    After the negotiation was done, Jeff made sure to call me to tell me that he’d badmouthed me to Andy Lack. “You know I talked to Andy and he said you were out of bounds,” Zucker told me, his voice shrill and breathless. “You don’t really matter here. You need to know that’s what Andy said about you.” Nonetheless, we were genuinely friendly in a work sense.

    Scene right out of the RoboCop men’s room: nah, not to worry, he’s just a total Machiavellian pussy, you’ll see.

    People called him Machiavellian. Yet, no one underestimated him for long.

    Beth seems to believe that calling someone “Machiavellian” is an open invitation to let your guard down (nor is this an isolated example; this effect contributes about half of lead in her text). This sentiment delivered right in the middle of a paean to a toxic boardroom culture, which mostly put me in mind of Harvey Weinstein, in which no-one was ever fired for hitting their numbers (or banging the talent around).

    Make no mistake, hard-charging Beth Comstock is wired to perceive a psychopath as a temporary obstacle and (later on) as a useful ladder. No-one hits the numbers like a psychopath. Psychopaths have spreadsheets for brains. Trust relationships persist for exactly the duration of one global recalc. But, on the upside—if you’re equipped with shit-waders up to your armpits—this makes psychopaths surprisingly predictable, in their own way, and not to be feared.

    ———

    Thus ends this overly long parable about the beet-red raspberry and the black swan dive.

  147. GMB3 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Excellent point.

    “the bench” also failed him after a shift when Leon got his helmet ripped off in the corner, then 23 white threw a high crosscheck at his exposed head/neck area in response to a much lower-level foul & Thing One was not done about that I saw other than a bullshit coincidental penalty call.

    If you got ten plumbers on the bench, surely rallying around the actual talent should be high on their priority list. Didn’t see much pushback from the Oil on any level last night.

    Shitty reffing did not help, but there was ample garbage time to not give a fuck about that aspect. But i wasn’t left with the impression that too many of them gave a fuck at all. A very discouraging game.

    Needing to hear someone yell from the bench is the equivalent of needing a pitcher pointing in the air when a fly ball is hit in baseball.

  148. Bank Shot says:

    Don’t worry guys and gals.

    Nicholson, Lowe, Mact, and Howson will fix this.

  149. texmex says:

    Oilers now 6 points out.

    This weekend has decided the buyer v seller debate if there was one.

    Sell sell sell

  150. russ99 says:

    who:
    To tank or not to tank. That is the question.
    Is anyone actually surprised that the team lost last night. When you can’t beat the bottom feeders why would a team think it couldbeat one of the league leaders? At a certain point the grim realization starts to set in. This team isn’t very good. Fans know it, the coach knows it, and it’s starting to look like the players know it.
    So what’s the solution?
    If the team is short on talent and cap space doesn’t it make sense to try to acquire some cheap talent? Like a top 10 pick and some more picks or prospects?
    Seems pretty obvious to me. We have a very good team in Bakersfield with some legit NHL prospects. This is a good chance to add to that cluster.
    If the Oilers do this right we could be contending as early as the 20-21 season. We have the big pieces in place and there are others knocking on the door. It’s not all bad. But we need to be realistic about the rest of this year. Andnext year as well.
    I really believe this is rock bottom. Hopefully next year will be a small step forward.

    Best case any players we pick this summer contribute at the NHL level in 3 season, 3 more McDavid/Drai seasons.

    And that’s not the case if you assume our scouting, drafting and player development is faulty (pick one or more).

    So it’s really hard to believe we can back to the well and come out of it any differently with x more years of losing.

    We’re not that far away. Keep the young core (Connor, Leon, Darnell, Jones, Bouchard) and surround them with more talent. Figure out if Jesse and Yama are sunk cost due to how we messed up there development and if so move them when they’re value is high. Get out from under the cap, as much as we can.

    Make a trade of one of our better players (Klefbom, Nuge if the return is stellar) for 2 good NHL players this summer when we have a competent GM and hockey ops group in place.

  151. Bruce McCurdy says:

    GMB3: Needing to hear someone yell from the bench is the equivalent of needing a pitcher pointing in the air when a fly ball is hit in baseball.

    I was agreeing with the original poster that the mistake was Leon’s but he got no help from the bench, either then or later.

    Hard to watch just one game after they missed few assignments & had each others’ backs in Minny.

  152. Ryan says:

    russ99: Best case any players we pick this summer contribute at the NHL level in 3 season, 3 more McDavid/Drai seasons.

    And that’s not the case if you assume our scouting, drafting and player development is faulty (pick one or more).

    So it’s really hard to believe we can back to the well and come out of it any differently with x more years of losing.

    We’re not that far away. Keep the young core (Connor, Leon, Darnell, Jones, Bouchard) and surround them with more talent. Figure out if Jesse and Yama are sunk cost due to how we messed up there development and if so move them when they’re value is high. Get out from under the cap, as much as we can.

    Make a trade of one of our better players (Klefbom, Nuge if the return is stellar) for 2 good NHL players this summer when we have a competent GM and hockey ops group in place.

    I think you’re buying into the fallacy that the Oilers can somehow trade their way out of this mess.

    I don’t think you can extract much value in trade with moving JP or Yamamoto at this point. In fact, I doubt either has enough value to bother trading.

    There’s no easy and efficient way to clear cap. To clear cap, it’s most likely picking poison and buying out someone.

    You could get value back in trading Nuge or Klefbom, but you’re just creating a new hole on the roster. I’d trade Nurse before I’d trade Klefbom though.

    Are we going to add talent through free agency? That’s not going to work.

    Really, the Oilers will never be a good team until they excel at drafting and developing.

  153. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Turn out the lights.
    The party’s over.

  154. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ryan: Good summary.

    If the Oilers want to compete, they absolutely need to invest in improving their amature and euro scouting especially.

    Obviously they need to stop rushing draft picks.

    They need to invest in an analytics department.

    As for UFA signings, the Sharks show us that less is more in this department. It’s better to shop in the undrafted / drafted not signed aisles.

    Pro trades don’t happen often anymore. They need to stop making stupid trades obviously. Again, less is more. If the Oilers could have hypothetically not made a single pro trade during Chiarelli’s tenure, they’d be way ahead. In fact, we’d be at least be a playoff caliber team.

    By making fewer trades and less a UFA signings alone, that would help the cap.

    Except the Shark’s 3 best players were traded for and one will be a UFA signing. Pavelski is a lucky find, if it was smarts they’d have found more like him.

    A blend of drafting, identifying undervalued players that can fit the team, trades, and re-signing gets.

    I don’t think there is one path, there is a path for the team that you have based on the elite players you have.

  155. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Except the Shark’s 3 best players were traded for and one will be a UFA signing. Pavelski is a lucky find, if it was smarts they’d have found more like him.

    A blend of drafting, identifying undervalued players that can fit the team, trades, and re-signing gets.

    I don’t think there is one path, there is a path for the team that you have based on the elite players you have.

    Vets not gets

  156. Zelepukin says:

    I’m happy Hitch came out and said some real shit. They really need to clean house in a big way.

  157. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    LT, could I please have 2 of whatever you gave New Improved Darkness?;)
    Thank you.

  158. Munny says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    “When you put skill ahead of work, you get burned and there’s just too much of that going on.” – Ken Hitchcock.

    Thoughts?

    I’ve been trying to get Barbara Ann Scott on the phone all day.

  159. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: There has been no coach that has played Rieder in the top 6 for more than a small sample.

    I think this is because he is not a top 6 player – it’s not just two coaches it’s all the coaches over many years and multiple teams.

    Rieder played in the top 6 in Arizona. On a tough minutes line. With Stepan. With Hanzal too.

  160. Ryan says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Except the Shark’s 3 best players were traded for and one will be a UFA signing. Pavelski is a lucky find, if it was smarts they’d have found more like him.

    A blend of drafting, identifying undervalued players that can fit the team, trades, and re-signing gets.

    I don’t think there is one path, there is a path for the team that you have based on the elite players you have.

    Most of the forward skaters on the good teams were either drafted or signed to their first NHL contract by these teams. Toronto, Jets, Sharks, Bolts, Flames… the Predators are a bit of an exception. David Poile is a modern day Sather.

    The Oilers only have five players on their forward roster that they drafted and developed (six if you count Rieder).

  161. JOFA says:

    Will Bob be revealing the plan soon? The losing must continue to have any hope of a cleansing.

  162. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Zelepukin:
    I’m happy Hitch came out and said some real shit. They really need to clean house in a big way.

    Played on the Oilers during the 1st rebuild in 07/08 and still there in 5 years in 12/13

    Gagner
    Hemsky
    Horcoff

    Players on the 13/14 rebuild v 2.0 and still there 5 years later on rebuild v 3.0 team in 18/19

    RNH

    Obviously it’s the players that are the problem and they need to clean house!!

  163. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack:
    “The pairing was mostly effective in defending, but the lack of successful outlet passes means they defend too much. Same as it ever was.”

    Gravel
    Manning
    Larsson
    Nursse
    Russell

    Building a D Core that can’t pass – By Peter Chiarelli

    Larsson is good enough to be a significant player for Sweden so he’s not bad. He’s being asked to do too much.

    Rising tide floats all boats

    Receding tide does the opposite

    The Oilers make players look worse than they are

  164. OmJo says:

    frjohnk:
    At 5 on 5 with RNH, McDavid and Drai on the bench the team is scoring
    0.97 goals per 60
    GF% of 30%!!!!!!!!!!

    Whats the word for a dog barking while barfing?

    HugThePost: Yep.I just call stuff like this ‘Oilering’

  165. YKOil says:

    Cassandra:
    This is why the Oilers need to lose.If they lose, they probably won’t learn the lesson they need to learn.However, if they win they definitely won’t learn the lesson.

    Depends on the lesson. Edmonton loses to Anaheim in the play-offs, is the lesson that:

    – the loss of Sekera left the team unable to transition well out of its own zone thus leaving it susceptible to defensive zone collapse and thus they lost – the lesson being to increase the ability to transition out of the defensive zone and so the most important need in the new year was defensemen who can play both parts of the transition game (pass and/or skate it out)

    OR

    – Anaheim had big guys and we need big guys if we want to win

    I suspect they leaned hard(er) into door #2

    If Sekera can stay healthy this will be a much better team next year… depending on whether Koskinen shits the bed or not.

    It’s hard being an Oilers fan.

  166. flyfish1168 says:

    godot10: Rieder played in the top 6 in Arizona.On a tough minutes line.With Stepan.With Hanzal too.

    Where did that get the coyotes?

    Good teams would not have Rieder in the top 9. JMHO

  167. jtblack says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Larsson is good enough to be a significant player for Sweden so he’s not bad. He’s being asked to do too much.

    Rising tide floats all boats

    Receding tide does the opposite

    The Oilers make players look worse than they are

    Agree Larsson is OK. Hes no super Offensive guy in team Sweden. He’s OK.

    Poor players make the tide sink. Are the Oikers making Russell look worse than he is,?

    Are the Oilers making Brandon MANNING not be a good NHL player?

    Poor roster construction = poor players.

    Poor players sink the tide.

    Edm has 3.5 quality forwards. 2.5 quality D. 2 average G.

    They are a day late and a dollar short on the quality of players

  168. who says:

    russ99: Best case any players we pick this summer contribute at the NHL level in 3 season, 3 more McDavid/Drai seasons.

    And that’s not the case if you assume our scouting, drafting and player development is faulty (pick one or more).

    So it’s really hard to believe we can back to the well and come out of it any differently with x more years of losing.

    We’re not that far away. Keep the young core (Connor, Leon, Darnell, Jones, Bouchard) and surround them with more talent. Figure out if Jesse and Yama are sunk cost due to how we messed up there development and if so move them when they’re value is high. Get out from under the cap, as much as we can.

    Make a trade of one of our better players (Klefbom, Nuge if the return is stellar) for 2 good NHL players this summer when we have a competent GM and hockey ops group in place.

    What Ryan said.

  169. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Rattie was beating McDavid on some forecheck rushes yesterday. How is he slow?

    Almost every nhl player is fast when up to speed, it’s first step quickness that is key. Stop starts are the basis of nhl hockey.

    Ryan: Most of the forward skaters on the good teams were either drafted or signed to their first NHL contract by these teams. Toronto, Jets, Sharks, Bolts, Flames… the Predators are a bit of an exception. David Poile is a modern day Sather.

    The Oilers only have five players on their forward roster that they drafted and developed (six if you count Rieder).

    It’s why Rattie isn’t sticking anywhere and despite lightning up the Dub wasn’t a top pick. No first step and small isn’t a great combo.

  170. mustang says:

    GMB3: People who call other people snowflakes are a joke.

    Anyone with two eyes and a beating heart can see the issues across the roster. We expect Draisaitl, McD and RNH to play 20+ mins a game every game in the most important and difficult stages of the game, with them being our only real chance at winning a game, and expect them to succeed every night?

    San Jose does a nice job against McDavid. Good teams have other players who can step up in those situations.

    Whatever you think. I’m well aware of the lack of talent. I expect the “team” to compete every fkn night. I don’t care what their names are, if they aren’t competing then they should be sitting, at the end of the bench or in the press box. It’s called accountability. Win or lose just compete, anything else is excuses.

  171. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ryan: Most of the forward skaters on the good teams were either drafted or signed to their first NHL contract by these teams. Toronto, Jets, Sharks, Bolts, Flames… the Predators are a bit of an exception. David Poile is a modern day Sather.

    The Oilers only have five players on their forward roster that they drafted and developed (six if you count Rieder).

    The Oilers have been drafting poorly until recently and they are on the verge of forwards coming from the farm. Several.

    The Sharks best players are Thornton Pavelski Kane Karlsson Burns Vlasic Couture.

    3 were drafted. 4 were traded for. Only one drafted player is better than the traded for players, Pavelski.
    The Sharks are also getting old at the top, I don’t see obvious replacements. They have a lot of mid tier forwards and D that are being floated by their 3 elite other D.

    Wilson’s strength is in making the right decision at the right time, but we’ll see how he handles losing his top end guys as they age out.

    Holland was all that for a while, no he’s just another average Joe GM.

    We’ll see if Tampa can keep it rolling or like the oilers of old they got lucky and ran with it, or they fizzle out.

    The oilers got lucky again, hopefully the new guy can start running, and not into the same wall, again.

  172. Drew says:

    frjohnk:
    At 5 on 5 with RNH, McDavid and Drai on the bench the team is scoring
    0.97 goals per 60
    GF% of 30%!!!!!!!!!!

    Whats the word for a dog barking while barfing?

    i have heard this once, a dog on farm had porcupine quills inside his mouth and throat was a horrific situation. i can now name that sound “because oilers” 😰

  173. Biggus Dickus says:

    It’s clear that the lesson we learned is that Chiarelli didn’t fit the Oilers culture. My guess is that it’s Keith’s job but due to his lack of experience, he will have a steady hand guiding him (MacT). They won’t admit that’s what’s going on, but we will slowly find out how key MacT was. Remember how many contracts Lowe negotiated while he had “nothing to do with hockey operations”?

  174. Gret99zky says:

    “When you put skill ahead of work, you get burned and there’s just too much of that going on.” – Ken Hitchcock.

    “You heard him, trade the skill for hard workers!” – OBC

  175. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    Is JP eligible for the AHL playoffs?

  176. Jethro Tull says:

    Bottling wine. Haskap/Saskatoon blend and straight Saskatoon berry. Listening to Steve Earle and the Dukes. The Oilers have no power over me.

  177. Jethro Tull says:

    Randy Carlyle has just called Bob and said he knows what’s wrong with the team.

  178. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    JOFA:
    Will Bob be revealing the plan soon? The losing must continue to have any hope of a cleansing.

    – keep the management and keep changing the players.

    – it’s not managements fault. It’s just the players fault.

    – good to keep continuity with management through.

  179. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Ryan Rishaug

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    I think people don’t realize just how much autonomy and power Peter actually had. He was the architect of everything, Nicholson let him do his job. Remember when he was hired, people felt he needed to be left alone to make decisions as part of a new guard. He was.

  180. OmJo says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    “When you put skill ahead of work, you get burned and there’s just too much of that going on.” – Ken Hitchcock.

    Thoughts?

    Where’s the skill?

  181. Ryan says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    The Sharks will be fine for awhile. Kane is only 27. They have Hertl and Couture who are also under 30 still. You also forgot about Timo Meier who’s only 22. Technically all of Couture, Pavelski, Meier and Hertl have more points than Thornton or Kane. Then there’s Leblanc, Donskoi, and Sorensen.

    Part of my point that you’re missing is how the bottom of the rosters are built on good teams.

    They’re cheap, young, and drafted or procured then developed.

    Look at us, we technically have two fourth lines currently. Both are a disaster and neither is particularly cheap.

  182. OmJo says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Ryan Rishaug

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    I think people don’t realize just how much autonomy and power Peter actually had. He was the architect of everything, Nicholson let him do his job.Remember when he was hired, people felt he needed to be left alone to make decisions as part of a new guard.He was.

    This will be up for debate until the tell-all documentary, HBO presents Oil Spill, comes out and sheds a light on what was going on behind the scenes.

  183. Jethro Tull says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
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    I think people don’t realize just how much autonomy and power Peter actually had. He was the architect of everything, Nicholson let him do his job.Remember when he was hired, people felt he needed to be left alone to make decisions as part of a new guard.He was.

    Male Moo Poop.

    Random spotify shout out to New Age. Lemon Tree has just come on rotation. My poison ivy and I approve.

  184. Bank Shot says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
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    I think people don’t realize just how much autonomy and power Peter actually had. He was the architect of everything, Nicholson let him do his job.Remember when he was hired, people felt he needed to be left alone to make decisions as part of a new guard.He was.

    Oh. An Edmonton Sports Broadcaster toeing the company line. You don’t say.

    One thing is clear. Lowe, Mact, and Howson had absolutely nothing to do with this.

    Chiarelli preferred to keep on a freshly fired GM as his assistant. Probably requested it.

    Which new GM wouldn’t want that kind of dream situation?

  185. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
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    I think people don’t realize just how much autonomy and power Peter actually had. He was the architect of everything, Nicholson let him do his job.Remember when he was hired, people felt he needed to be left alone to make decisions as part of a new guard.He was.

    – they’ve floated this balloon of times since they punted him.

    – Ryan says this because he’s told this. He or any media outsider would have no clue of who actually does what

    – And the reason he’s told this is the OBC is scapegoating. Been doing it to players and coaches for the last 13 years. It’s never their fault.

  186. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
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    I think people don’t realize just how much autonomy and power Peter actually had. He was the architect of everything, Nicholson let him do his job.Remember when he was hired, people felt he needed to be left alone to make decisions as part of a new guard.He was.

    If this is true it makes the Spooner trade, Manning trade and Koski signing look even worse. They were considering letting Chia go but then allowed him to make three more brutal moves to further guarantee that the Oilers will be a hot mess for the next few years.

  187. HT Joe says:

    Jethro Tull: Randy Carlyle has just called Bob and said he knows what’s wrong with the team.

    Is Carlyle going to sell him a reverse osmosis water purification system, or is he a supporter of the distillation systems?

  188. Jethro Tull says:

    This just in: Ponzi schemes to be renamed Chiarelli schemes.

    Also, Chiarelli solved world hunger but won’t tell anyone how.

  189. Jethro Tull says:

    HT Joe: Is Carlyle going to sell him a reverse osmosis water purification system, or is he a supporter of the distillation systems?

    Tell ’em Danny Hooper sent yer.

  190. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Klima’s_Bucket,

    Can you link this tweet? Wanted to read the entire tweet thread to get the context and couldn’t see anything, on either of the three mentioned accounts. Or did the tweet get deleted already?

  191. Halfwise says:

    Jethro Tull:
    John Cleese on the word Snowflake:

    “Yes I’ve heard this word. I think sociopaths use it in an attempt to discredit the notion of empathy.”

    I like this new civility. Someone calls me a Snowflake and I get to call him a Sociopath.

    Seems very constructive.

    Come on people, hockey and whisky.

  192. JOFA says:

    Here’s a trip down memory lane: (gave me the shivers)

    Anyone remember the 2015 interview with Bob McKenzie and Chiarelli? The best part is at the 30 minute mark when Chia is asked about MacT remaining with the organization. Will we see more of the same?

    https://youtu.be/V0-63IQQ50A

    Serious question. Who will remain with the organization from this list?
    Nicholson
    Lowe
    MacT
    Howson
    Keith Gretzky
    Bob Green

    Second question :

    Who deserves to stay?

  193. JOFA says:

    I call bullshit Rishaug. Two former GMs, and one former AGM looking over your shoulder that still remain Hahaha. Yep I believe it. It sounds as though Bob is in full damage control mode to keep Daryl’s boys on the payroll next season. You can’t write this shit…Well except if you’re Rishaug. Dont expect much ladies and gentlemen. You will be extremely disappointed.

  194. godot10 says:

    flyfish1168: Where did that get the coyotes?

    Good teams would not have Rieder in the top 9. JMHO

    It is not ideal, but the best that can be done considering the dead cap accumulated under Chiarelli, and the horrid Lucic, Russell, and Kassian contracts.

  195. Glovjuice says:

    jzed:
    Wow, all the angst! Management doesn’t care, why should we? Send JP down so he can play on the good team, when Reggie is ready, send down Manning and Brodziak and Petrovic, so the good team has some depth for the playoffs. Run the Oilers D as is with Gravel in or out for Benning. Hope Kass plays himself into some trade value, heck, include Talbot in that boat. Show Lucic some prime undervalued Vancouver real estate he can enjoy with his retirement money. Then get busy finding hockey ops guy who will clean out the executive offices and start from scratch. There, about the best you can do with this Oiler team.

    That’s it. Simple. lol. This team is fucked. Totally fucked.

  196. €√¥£€^$ Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Excellent point.

    “the bench” also failed him after a shift when Leon got his helmet ripped off in the corner, then 23 white threw a high crosscheck at his exposed head/neck area in response to a much lower-level foul & Thing One was not done about that I saw other than a bullshit coincidental penalty call.

    If you got ten plumbers on the bench, surely rallying around the actual talent should be high on their priority list. Didn’t see much pushback from the Oil on any level last night.

    Shitty reffing did not help, but there was ample garbage time to not give a fuck about that aspect. But i wasn’t left with the impression that too many of them gave a fuck at all. A very discouraging game.

    And this is yet another reason why 20 yr old Jesse should be in Bakersfield.

    How is this current experience benefitting him in any way?

  197. Buddy says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
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    I think people don’t realize just how much autonomy and power Peter actually had. He was the architect of everything, Nicholson let him do his job.Remember when he was hired, people felt he needed to be left alone to make decisions as part of a new guard.He was.

    Kevin Lowe had the Oilers 20 minutes from a Stanley Cup, they haven’t been the same since he was replaced, and he has more Stanley Cup rings than anyone in the history of managing anything ever. There’s only one choice to make.

    Am I parsing this correctly?

  198. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Munny: I’ve been trying to get Barbara Ann Scott on the phone all day.

    You might need a heater and some smelling salts

  199. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Klima’s_Bucket,

    Thanks, for some reason it wasn’t in the feeds at all when I searched. Maybe some kind of delay since I wasn’t logged in (no twitter account for me)?

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