Grow Some Funk of Your Own

by Lowetide

One of the things I’ve kept track of over the years is the size and quality of the Connor McDavid cluster. I’m not sure how much appeal this idea holds but for me it’s a key element for the eventual Stanley run. The organization needs McDavid-Leon and then a large group of support players and value deals. Here’s another key: Evan Bouchard might be the final first-round pick that can be included in the 97 cluster. How is that group 18-22 doing?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

THE MCDAVID CLUSTER

Bouchard is technically part of a new cluster but he was an older draft pick in 2018, so I’ve placed him here. One of the legacy gifts left by PC is a large number of kids who couldn’t grow with the group. I’ll name Nail Yakupov, Griffin Reinhart, Anton Slepyshev and Puljujarvi is a strong candidate to miss the boat. One of the things I do every year is count the contribution of each cluster (McDavid, Prime, Veteran) by year to see who is growing.

  • 2015-16: 411 games, 63-125-136 .331 points-per-game; .153 goals-per-game
  • 2016-17: 409 games, 80-170-250 .611 points, .196 goals
  • 2017-18: 334 games, 85-146-231 .692 points, .254 goals (!!)
  • 2018-19: 200 games, 70-94-164 .820 points, .350 goals (!!)

Based on current progress, the McDavid cluster should account for 298 games and 104 goals. That’s enormous production from a very small percentage of the roster (measured by total games). This is championship calibre based on production-per-game.

The worry is that there are just two main contributors and both of them are already getting paid. You need Yanni Gourde and then another Yanni Gourde (Brayden Point) coming up behind. Edmonton badly needs names like Evan Bouchard, Tyler Benson, Ryan McLeod, Caleb Jones and Ethan Bear to work out. Plus a goalie.

THE PRIME CLUSTER

This is the second most important category, led by Nuge, and three feature defensemen. Oilers need a couple of 20-goal wingers to flush out the group. Here’s the history:

  • 2015-16: 485 games, 68-96-164 .338 points and .140 goals
  • 2016-17: 515 games, 72-123-195 .379 points and .140 goals
  • 2017-18: 717 games, 101-133-234 .325 points and .141 goals
  • 2018-19: 497 games, 48-125-173 .348 points and .097 goals

Extrapolated over 82 games, the totals are 741 games and 72 goals. What’s missing? Well you can see it in the 2015-16 “prime” group that included Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle. The failed auditions since 2012 and the poor returns on trades are really evident here. There’s no winger in his prime to push the river. Important for the Oilers to have a few more pieces by the time the McDavid cluster becomes the prime cluster.

It’s also important to note the falloff from last season. The prime cluster will be 30 goals behind the 2017-18 group. That’s substantial.

THE VETERAN CLUSTER

This is the group of players who have been paid very well since 2015 and have not delivered enough to warrant continued employment. Here are the numbers:

  • 2015-16: 667 games, 68-122-190 .285 points and .102 goals
  • 2016-17: 640 games, 91-117-208 .325 points and .142 goals
  • 2017-18: 515 games, 43-105-148 .287 points and .083 goals
  • 2018-19: 349 games, 38-37-75 .215 points and .109 goals

Projected to 520 games and 57 goals, not enough to warrant the money. If the Oilers could magically erase the entire cluster, life would be a dream for the new general manager.

THE SUMMER

Ideally the McDavid cluster takes on a greater role in 2019-20. McDavid and Draisaitl are the heart of the order, but if one or two of JP, KY, Tyler Benson, Evan Bouchard, Ethan Bear or Caleb Jones emerge as useful regulars, that would represent real progress. It is not guaranteed—Peter Chiarelli bet on Puljujarvi three times and lost his job in part because of it—but there’s real talent in the McDavid cluster.

The “prime” group has Nuge and three defensemen (Klefbom, Larsson and Nurse), I keep looking around for a Nikolaj Ehlers who could jumpstart a second scoring line.

The veteran group is the hole where the money goes and Edmonton isn’t getting value. I hope you enjoyed this look at the three clusters of this Oilers team, for me it has value. You have expressed in the past that this isn’t beneficial, so consider this a personal indulgence.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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  • Derek Taylor, #CFLDetails on TSN. Free agency gone wild tomorrow in the CFL. Quarterbacks, rush ends, wideouts, holy smokes it’s big.
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Woodguy v2.0

Bob McKenzie nailed it on Dustin Neilson’s show this morning.

His verbal was summarized by @nicholsonhockey here:

Here’s what Bob said: https://www.nicholsonhockey.com/archives/2019/2/11/mckenzie-i-guess-anybody-can-understand-hitchcocks-frustration

Here’s what he said:

“I guess anybody can understand Hitchcock’s frustration there,” supposed McKenzie. “But the flip side of it is I guess that you can ascribe a lot of things to character or not wanting it enough or what have you, but maybe talent – or lack of depth of talent – is the greater issue.

“Hitch would know better than us because he’s there on the front lines, but if he’s telling us that there’s players on this team that don’t care or they’re not giving it their all or they’re whatever, then that’s even worse because I think in a lot of instances where you’ve got a team that’s not as talented as the other team, sometimes players shut down a little bit because they are overwhelmed – because they’re overmatched – and they realize they can’t compete.

“So is it a function of that – is the greater issue a talent issue or is it a greater issue that players don’t care enough. I don’t know. I could be wrong, but I think a lot of times players get accused of not caring enough; but I think in those instances maybe those players are just ill-suited in the roles that they’re at and that they get overwhelmed with the circumstance.

“So then it’s on management to try to bring in a better group of players that aren’t overwhelmed by their circumstance.”

Amen Mr. McKenzie.

Woodguy v2.0

Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

Pacific
CGY 19
SJS 17
VGK 9

Central
WPG 17
NSH 13
DAL 6

Wildcard
STL 5
MIN 3

Out of playoffs
VAN 1
COL 0
CHI -1
ARI -2
EDM -2
LAK -4
ANA -5

Relevant games tonight:

LAK at WSH (WSH -200)
SJS at VAN (SJS -165)

frjohnk

Woodguy v2.0:
Bob McKenzie nailed it on Dustin Neilson’s show this morning.

His verbal was summarized by @nicholsonhockey here:

Here’s what Bob said: https://www.nicholsonhockey.com/archives/2019/2/11/mckenzie-i-guess-anybody-can-understand-hitchcocks-frustration

Here’s what he said:

“I guess anybody can understand Hitchcock’s frustration there,” supposed McKenzie. “But the flip side of it is I guess that you can ascribe a lot of things to character or not wanting it enough or what have you, but maybe talent – or lack of depth of talent – is the greater issue.


“Hitch would know better than us because he’s there on the front lines, but if he’s telling us that there’s players on this team that don’t care or they’re not giving it their all or they’re whatever, then that’s even worse because I think in a lot of instances where you’ve got a team that’s not as talented as the other team, sometimes players shut down a little bit because they are overwhelmed – because they’re overmatched – and they realize they can’t compete.

“So is it a function of that – is the greater issue a talent issue or is it a greater issue that players don’t care enough. I don’t know. I could be wrong, but I think a lot of times players get accused of not caring enough; but I think in those instances maybe those players are just ill-suited in the roles that they’re at and that they get overwhelmed with the circumstance.

“So then it’s on management to try to bring in a better group of players that aren’t overwhelmed by their circumstance.”

Amen Mr. McKenzie.

The two biggest influences who had the say in what we see as todays roster built around the assets that were here on April 18, 2015 have both been loaded into the cannon and fired into the sun.

Now can Nicholson hire the proper POHO, GM moving forward?

Only if he can recognize the mistakes that McKenizie alluded to, but I have not heard much of that yet.

OriginalPouzar

Setting out the clusters like you have, LT, for me, makes my preferred plan continue to look like the right path for me.

Of course, over the next two years, starting at this year’s deadline and continuing over the spring, a job of our general manager is to try and shed some anchor contracts to open up some cap space to fill some of the glarring holes – true 2RD, top 6 winger, etc.

Of course, as I’ve posted (at nauseum for some, I’m sure), I am NOT in favor of management trying to press the issue taking penalties to open up the cap space (i.e. paying with assets for teams to take contract or buying out contracts leading to immediate cap savings (of various degrees) but also dead cap hits and extension of contracts).

Except for Lucic, all the anchor contracts fall away within two more years (the really dead space contracts fall away within one year – Manning, Spooner if the coach won’t play him, etc.).

Anyways, I don’t believe the organization has the asset base to froce the issue and pay a tax for contract removal and buyouts are terrible for cap management and these contracts will fall away.

Even without disposing of contracts, if no egregious trades are made for high picks or material prospects out, within two years, the organization should have:

– tons of cap space

– a considerable amount of assets acquisition currency

– elite centers entering their primes – McDavid and Drai

– other core players entering their primes – Nurse

– other core players in their primes – Klefbom, Larsson, Nuge (re-signed as he will see its about to get real good)

– one (or may even both) of Yamamoto or Puljujarvi could solidify himself as a top 6 winger or at least a middle six winger

– Bouchard could/should be ready to start to provide material minutes and play (one year in AHL and one year sheltered in NHL complete).

– the swarth of prospects that are on the verge of NHL readiness should lead to one or two value contracts at the bottom of the lineup (one or a couple of Jones, Bear, Persson, Laggesson, Benson, Marody)

– the continues drafting and development should have more prospects peculating and developing and the organization should have a great amount of NHL ready depth and injury cover

Anyways, there is current cap hell and little acquisition currency (i.e. coveted assets are assets that need to be kept), however, within a few years that will all change and the core of this team will remain very young, signed and in their primes (some mid prime, some just entering).

The way out is clear to me, unfortunately, management, whoever it may be, likely sees it differently and will be looking for more immediate marked improvements..

dustrock

The look at the clusters is very instructive because it reveals a giant cluster****

The veteran cluster is a dumpster fire and I”d say 2/3 of the prime cluster is a dumpster fire.

Hall
Eberle
Pouliot
Petry
16 & 33

Add those players back in and suddenly you’re looking at a team, maybe not elite, but a team where you could squint and look at Stanley.

Woodguy v2.0

frjohnk: The two biggest influences who had the say in what we see as todays roster built around the assets that were here on April 18, 2015 have both been loaded into the cannon and fired into the sun.

Now can Nicholson hire the proper POHO, GM moving forward?

Only if he can recognize the mistakes that McKenizie alluded to, but I have not heard much of that yet.

During his “I fired Pete” avail Bob said he thought the roster could make the playoffs today.

Don’t know why he’d fire Pete if he *actually* thought that though.

We’ll see.

This is probably Bob’s last hire as an OEG exec.

Hope he makes it a good one.

Ben

Had a tough time logging on to the site today. Not sure if due to my lack of character or skill (I blame the coach).

Looking at the Oilers’ cap woes, there is some light:

Out: Talbot $4, Russell $4, Kassian $2, Rieder $2, Brodziak $0.8 (after buyout), Rattie $0.8, Petrovic $2

So about $16M leaving, cap going up about $3.5M.

The team could pretty easily have $20M to fill out the roster, with Khaira and Pujuljarvi the only players due marginal raises.

You spend half of that on two top-six wingers, add a couple of Benson/Marody/Yamo to the middle six, an ok backup, Bouchard/Jones on the back end…

What I guess I’m saying is: the path to over-playing rookies to mediocrity is open!

EDIT: Missed that Losskinen will eat Talbot’s $.

Dicky94

OriginalPouzar,

This is the right way to do it for sure, but can the fans that buy the seasons tickets and box seats wait three years?

dustrock

OriginalPouzar:
Setting out the clusters like you have, LT, for me, makes my preferred plan continue to look like the right path for me.

The way out is clear to me, unfortunately, management, whoever it may be, likely sees it differently and will be looking for more immediate marked improvements..

OP you’re spot on if you wanted to invest in this team and its assets in a logical approach that set the team up for future success.

The problem with sports in cities like Edmonton is that many fans aren’t willing to buy into a mini-rebuild, particularly when we’ve been rebuilding for 10 years.

Or that might be what Katz and the organization think about the fans – live in the eternal now, don’t look ahead to the future, just make the playoffs nowwwwwwwwwwwww the winters are long and cold

Hemsky is a gangsta

Huberdeau (#20) and Chiasson (#26) both just popped up on TSN’s TradeBait board. Huberdeau would be a great fit here..

Munny

Woodguy v2.0,

That’s a fine piece of speculation by Mr. McKenzie. Reasonable chance he’s correct.

However I cannot let the players off the hook for their performance this year, whether they “feel overwhelmed” or not.

BONE207

LT…I for one enjoyed this article. A real insight into the team construction & where this disorganization needs work.

As for Bob…I’m with him that the leaders are beaten down. Single events, such as Leon vs Kane the other night, while important, are not an explanation for seasons worth of failure.

That cannon…does have room for those vets? Gord I hope so…

rbjork

I saw Evan Bouchard play in person yesterday, I’m no scout, but I would say he is as advertised. Good with the puck, and strong on the passes, made a real nice stretch pass at one point. Did a pretty good job getting shots to the net on the PP.

He did pretty well defensively, but not his strength for sure.

Picked up a couple of points on his way to a 6-3 loss to the Greyhounds. 🙂

smellyglove

LT tech issues persist. Bad gateway. New posts continue not to display until login.

Munny

Thank Gord for Vancouver fans that the Canucks don’t “feel overwhelmed” game in and game out.

Jordan

Ben:
Had a tough time logging on to the site today. Not sure if due to my lack of character or skill (I blame the coach).

Had similar issues accessing the site today. Connection was reset multiple times just to get to today’s post,and then more times trying to get logged in to post.

Is Danny still working on the backend? If so, any assistance he can provide would be appreciated.

——————————————-

I’m really happy that Bob and others in the MSM are very delicately (or in Gregor’s case, blatantly) calling bullshit on this character narrative.

Its really encouraging to have media telling the Oilers fanbase that this isn’t just on the players.

I’m not going to blame Bob lying through his teeth about the team not being good enough. I understand that he’s doing his best to manage a craptastic situation. He doesn’t want to look like he hasn’t been doing his job, so he says it’s a character issue and presumes that will deflect blame.

But anyone who’s watching the situation can see that’s not what’s going on. The Oilers are missing 3-4 top 6 wingers, and everyone else is playing over their head. They’re missing at least 1 top 4 dman, and very few players have any chemistry with their linemates because they change every 10 minutes in-game..

This team has been over-coached and over-gm’d this year so badly. The team would be better off if they had kept the team they opened the season with. Maybe even the same coach. The good news is that we know it wasn’t just the coach (although I think he’s not helping). It might be the players but it is definitely management and the roster construction.

Or, we just blame a certain Anaheim Duck who cost Reggie the last two seasons. Somehow the NHL or the NHLPA didn’t do anything about it either. Go figure.

GMB3

You know what’s going to be amazing for this team?

Drafting one of Podkolzin, Cozens, Dach, or Turcotte this summer. Giving them a year or two as per the new organizational mandate of letting prospects develop in a more realistic timeline.

Clear out some dead cap, make room to resign RNH at a reasonable price (7.5 sound fair? Maybe 7?). Continued development from the farm. Benson, Marody ready and on affordable contracts. Potential impact forward on their ELC. Bouchard breaking out. Possibly cap for a trade or FA signing.

The spillers didn’t play yesterday and I’m in a great mood this morning

Woodguy v2.0

Munny:
Woodguy v2.0,

That’s a fine piece of speculation by Mr. McKenzie.Reasonable chance he’s correct.

However I cannot let the players off the hook for their performance this year, whether they “feel overwhelmed” or not.

Everyone who is slotted at their “actual NHL ability” is doing ok.

Everyone who is slotted above their “actual NHL ability” is not.

I will not blame a player for being who he is, rather will blame the org for mis-evaluating him.

The perfect example was Pete saying he was disappointed in Strome’s results halfway through 17/18 when Strome was scoring *exactly* at the same rate he had for 2 of the last 3 years.

You can’t write this stuff.

JimmyV1965

Hemsky is a gangsta:
Huberdeau (#20) and Chiasson (#26) both just popped up on TSN’s TradeBait board. Huberdeau would be a great fit here..

Would love to get Huberdeau. Long term deal st 5.9 mill. Would be a big mistake if Panthers traded him.

Woodguy v2.0

Larsson had to play vs the best with Rookie Jones just like Rej had to play the best with rookie Nurse in 15/16.

Larsson was beating himself up and he’s playing vs the Monahans of the world with a rookie.

Man.

Side

Lowetide: I will call GoDaddy on the gateway, but have no been able to find a workaround for not logging in. You have to log in

Is this a feature that you have to log in to see the most recent article?

I have seen a variety of issues that are rather inconsistent.

When I am not logged on:

– there are times I come to the website and see the most recent article with all of the comments

– there are times where I can see the most recent article but see no comments

– there are times I don’t see the most recent article and can see the previous day’s article with all of the comments

– there are times I don’t see the most recent article and can see the previous day’s article but with some/none of the comments

Logging in definitely solves these issues, but the ‘Remember Me’ feature doesn’t seem to stick. I’m constantly logging back in on my desktop/mobile device.

JimmyV1965

GMB3:
You know what’s going to be amazing for this team?

Drafting one of Podkolzin, Cozens, Dach, or Turcotte this summer. Giving them a year or two as per the new organizational mandate of letting prospects develop in a more realistic timeline.

Clear out some dead cap, make room to resign RNH at a reasonable price (7.5 sound fair? Maybe 7?). Continued development from the farm. Benson, Marody ready and on affordable contracts. Potential impact forward on their ELC. Bouchard breaking out. Possibly cap for a trade or FA signing.

The spillers didn’t play yesterday and I’m in a great mood this morning

Sorry to spoil your mood, but if Oilers don’t make a serious attempt to improve the team for next year, they need to trade RNH over the summer. I see no reason other than blind loyalty that he would consider resigning here. You simply can’t let him walk and his trade value diminishes greatly if you move him with only one year left on his contract.

Oddspell

JimmyV1965: Would love to get Huberdeau. Long term deal st 5.9 mill. Would be a big mistake if Panthers traded him.

Huberdeau, Ehlers, two guys who (if truly available) we need to shell out for in my opinion. Don’t sell the future for now, but definitely trade the future for a future that begins now.

If whoever the GM is can acquire Huberdeau in a reasonable deal then I’d begin to gain some faith in the org.

anjinsan

McLellan and then Hitch have been overskating the stars. If you overskate them, then at some point you exhaust them and results over time regress downward.

Let’s say for any team, relative to competition, this holds: (talent * effort * smarts) = results.

If the other team matches you on (effort * smarts) and you lack the talent, how do you expect to win? Scream and demand > 100% effort? Okay then you run into exhaustion across the board (physical and emotional) and results regress downward.

Naming the game right now: Chiarelli’s incompetence set this stage and Katz is under financial and good will pressure.

After years of being given the benefit of the doubt, Katz should not be allowed to mollify and placate. Frankly, he has proven to be an incompetent owner at serving his market, but he has proven competent at serving himself. In Europe, incompetent owners get their teams relegated. In North America, owners get captive markets. I wonder if it’s possible to petition for a better owner? Such a mechanism should exist.

GordieHoweHatTrick

I think the oilers will pick a top 10 (maybe even top 5!) overall (a skilled forward!) in this year‘s draft and that player will eventually enter the McDavid cluster…

Cassandra

Have you notice that those who are quickest to blame the supposed red wine crew for this travesty are the same ones that defended Chiarelli the hardest and longest?

The fact is that there is surprisingly little evidence that the OBC does anything, for better or for worse. To wit:

First, all of the reporting, whether it is employed by the Oilers (Stauffer), local guy (Rishaug), or National and respected (Friedman) insist that Chiarelli had full autonomy.

Second, each of the general managers over this time, Tambelli and his do nothing style, MacT’s abbreviated term, and then Chiarelli each had very distinctive styles, making different kinds of moves. There is not a common, dominant, thread between them besides it not working out.

Third, there is past precedent in Boston for almost all of Chiarelli’s flagship moves.

While not as headling grabbing as the other disastrous moves, what Chiarelli did this year reached a new level of strange and incompetent. In short succession the Spooner, Manning, Petrovic, and Koskinen might be unprecedented. Each of them awful and so without justification that it beggars the mind.

Under these circumstances my question is why didn’t anyone stop these things from happening. MY conclusion, terrifying as it may be, is not that the OBC have too much power, but that they had too little.

Before this year Chiarelli was already on the short list for worst general managers of all time. But what he did this season deserves a whole new category. The problem isn’t that they interfered with Chiarelli too much, but that they didn’t know how terrible he was at his job and hence didn’t interfere enough. That’s the story.

Oddspell

Cassandra: Second, each of the general managers over this time, Tambelli and his do nothing style, MacT’s abbreviated term, and then Chiarelli each had very distinctive styles, making different kinds of moves. There is not a common, dominant, thread between them besides it not working out.

This is why I’ve never really blamed the OBC all that much. I’m sure they have their input, but MacT was a complete departure from Tambo, and Chia was a major departure from MacT.

I think maybe you can blame the OBC for hiring (arguably) the wrong guy three times, but I don’t see how you can blame Kevin Lowe for Hall for Larsson, when reports are that MacT was fervently against trading any of the 2011 core.

Dicky94

Cassandra,

This is so true. How the rest of the organization could just sit there and think he was doing a good job this year is unbelievable. What pisses me off even more is that everyone was on board with the Koski signing knowing full well he was going to be fired at any moment. Everyone down from Katz to the players has to go. Bobby Nick has as much to blame as Chiarelli and he should not be in charge to find a new GM.

OriginalPouzar

Dicky94:
OriginalPouzar,

This is the right way to do it for sure, but can the fans that buy the seasons tickets and box seats wait three years?

dustrock: OP you’re spot on if you wanted to invest in this team and its assets in a logical approach that set the team up for future success.

The problem with sports in cities like Edmonton is that many fans aren’t willing to buy into a mini-rebuild, particularly when we’ve been rebuilding for 10 years.

Or that might be what Katz and the organization think about the fans – live in the eternal now, don’t look ahead to the future, just make the playoffs nowwwwwwwwwwwww the winters are long and cold

I don’t disagree with either of you. I ended my post with an express acknowledgement that management may not see it the same way and will likely look for marked improvement for next season.

I understand that “patience” is a dirty word in Oil Country and, fair enough, however mistakes made in the past should not cloud the path forward. Just because the wallowing has been going on for so long does not mean the path forward should be fast-tracked as, to me, that runs a very high risk of leading to the wallowing continuing for a longer period of time.

I don’t imagine new management will go two years without making major moves in the name of improvement – I understand why, I just don’t agree with it and am afraid it will end bad and lead to further pain.

Dicky94

OriginalPouzar,

Scary times indeed.

godot10

I have one complaint about Hitchcock. He doesn’t seem to understand that he has a generational talent, and generational talents mean the normal rules of Hitch hockey are probably not optimal.

A half court offense when McDavid is on the ice is not the right strategy. That will not maximize McDavid.

Also start as you mean to go on.

McDavid and Draisaitl as centres.

Oddspell

OriginalPouzar: Just because the wallowing has been going on for so long does not mean the path forward should be fast-tracked as, to me, that runs a very high risk of leading to the wallowing continuing for a longer period of time.

You’re not wrong, but at the same time I think (like Toronto after the Tavares signing) you have to be able to react to the market and if a chance to expedite the process comes along, you shift course.

I can’t imagine anyone looking Captain Connor in the eye and telling him “We need to be patient, and if all goes right, in 3 more years you could be playing meaningful games.”

GordieHoweHatTrick

Glass half-full thought, re: Spooner.
Massive disappointment this year. Should not have been acquired, but here we are. Healthy scratch did not get him going, cleared waivers (would that be an awakening moment for him??), now riding the bus.
How is he playing in Bake? Points look “okay”. Maybe, just maybe, if they can’t unload him for an appropriate asset, he comes to camp next year more determined to play in the best hockey league in the world and for his “next contract”. Performance near previous years would be “helpful” to our beleaguered comrades and would also have Benson pushing to get in as a LW in top 6, rather than “just getting in” because of gaping holes in the roster…

How do I remain this hopeful?

Richard S.S.

Todd McLelland will be a hot comodity this Offseason. Still don’t understand why he was fired. 0-2 to start the Season says more about the Team than it does about the Coach. The winning period that followed was more good luck than skill. The loosing streak was a lack of skill, some bad luck, but too much expecting to win everything (not 100% effort). More the Players fault than the Coach.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Lowetide,

As has been mentioned previously, is there any chance to have a log in button on the home page? It’s a bit clunky to have to go to the previous day’s post, scroll to the bottom and then finally log in. Especially on a phone.

If not, I suppose those are some heavy chores I’m willing to do in between chopping wood and carrying water for the team. Thanks LT, this place is the best.

PS

Posting the relative cluster production provides insight. Love when you do that, think it would be valuable as a check-in three or four times a year.

DocFan

Lowetide,

If you don’t want to log in, Go to “Contact” at top of page –> Select Recent Tab on Right. You should see the most recent post there. This worked for me. Or just log in.

GordieHoweHatTrick

Oddspell: This is why I’ve never really blamed the OBC all that much. I’m sure they have their input, but MacT was a complete departure from Tambo, and Chia was a major departure from MacT.

I think maybe you can blame the OBC for hiring (arguably) the wrong guy three times, but I don’t see how you can blame Kevin Lowe for Hall for Larsson, when reports are that MacT was fervently against trading any of the 2011 core.

Do you seriously think that Chia traded Hall for Larsson without any discussion with the committee?
They discussed much smaller moves. At least this is one thing Bob N has stated – unless he was lying to avoid looking like complete ass-idiots.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

JimmyV1965,

So you’re saying there’s a chance??

Problem is what’s the acquisition cost?

Nuges Bank Account

Oddspell: This is why I’ve never really blamed the OBC all that much. I’m sure they have their input, but MacT was a complete departure from Tambo, and Chia was a major departure from MacT.

I think maybe you can blame the OBC for hiring (arguably) the wrong guy three times, but I don’t see how you can blame Kevin Lowe for Hall for Larsson, when reports are that MacT was fervently against trading any of the 2011 core.

WITH all due respect, if you go back in time, you will find that:
1. Larsson
2. Reinhart
3. Lucic
Where all itches the OBC HAD to scratch. Just go back to said player’s draft year. Larson in particular, was a strong contender to be drafted by the Oilers. The anecdotal evidence is in this very blog’s archives is there. To contend that the OBC has “nothing to do” with the Chiarelli fiasco is to focus on a donut’s hole and not the entire donut.

Oddspell

GordieHoweHatTrick: Do you seriously think that Chia traded Hall for Larsson without any discussion with the committee?
They discussed much smaller moves. At least this is one thing Bob N has stated – unless he was lying to avoid looking like complete ass-idiots.

I’m not saying he didn’t discuss it, but when we’re looking at what is literally a signature Chiarelli move, and an out of character OBC move, why would we default to putting the blame on the OBC. I bet members of the OBC were advocates for the trade, I bet others were against it. But trading a guy like Hall for a guy like Larsson is signature Chia, and I’m not confident that trade gets made if we had MacT as GM that year.

I’m all for holding the OBC accountable, I just think we should also try to suss out exactly what to hold them accountable for.

Bag of Pucks

Cassandra,

The OBC is the common denominator in this 13 years of suck. The reason there’s speculation on this is they’re STILL here, still feeding the media narratives on ‘character issues,’ still working the ‘process’ and telling new hires they’ll need to ‘fit with the culture,’ still involved as a ‘group’ on decisions like the Koskinen extension. There is no defensible position for people like Howson, MacT and Green having the jobs they do. The broom swept out the designated scapegoat when what’s needed is a full housecleaning. The idiots that are left still think JP not in Bakersfield is a good idea. Just as they thought sink or swim was the best development model for Schultz, Yakupov, etc.

The OBC doesn’t get a free pass on this failure of an organization

Jordan

Cassandra:
Have you notice that those who are quickest to blame the supposed red wine crew for this travesty are the same ones that defended Chiarelli the hardest and longest?

Has anyone noticed that no one was talking about the “red wine crew” until this poster brought them up?

Has anyone noticed that this poster is generalizing about a large and diverse segment of Oilers fandom and what they think?

Me too.

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Would be interested to see Huberdeau on a second line with Nuge.

Actually, I’d be quite happy with the team pursuing the rest of the 2011 top 10 first rounders.

1 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (C) – Got him
2 Gabriel Landeskog (LW) – Want him
3 Jonathan Huberdeau (C) – Want him
4 Adam Larsson (D) – Got Him
5 Ryan Strome (C) – Had him
6 Mika Zibanejad (C) – Want him
7 Mark Scheifele (C) – Want him
8 Sean Couturier (C) – Want him
9 Dougie Hamilton (D) – Want him
10 Jonas Brodin (D) – Want him

ArmchairGM

“The “prime” group has Nuge and three defensemen (Klefbom, Larsson and Nurse), I keep looking around for a Nikolaj Ehlers who could jumpstart a second scoring line.”

Ehlers is younger than Draisaitl and thus would be in the McDavid group.

texmex

BornInAGretzkyJersey,

Picks and prospects I suspect. They need to free up money to sign Bob the goalie and the breadman for 20 million per season I suspect.

dustrock

Bag of Pucks:
Cassandra,

The OBC is the common denominator in this 13 years of suck. The reason there’s speculation on this is they’re STILL here, still feeding the media narratives on ‘character issues,’ still working the ‘process’ and telling new hires they’ll need to ‘fit with the culture,’ still involved as a ‘group’ on decisions like the Koskinen extension. There is no defensible position for people like Howson, MacT and Green having the jobs they do. The broom swept out the designated scapegoat when what’s needed is a full housecleaning. The idiots that are left still think JP not in Bakersfield is a good idea. Just as they thought sink or swim was the best development model for Schultz, Yakupov, etc.

The OBC doesn’t get a free pass on this failure of an organization

It’s also just the constant celebrating of the 80s dynasty team, Lowe and Mac T staying, Gretzky coming back, Coffey coming in for a quick look, Messier involved in some unknown capacity.

Then it’s the non-OBC guys who are removed from the organization.

Whether their crimes are of commission or omission doesn’t really matter at this point.

Cassandra

Nuges Bank Account: WITH all due respect, if you go back in time, you will find that:
1. Larsson
2. Reinhart
3. Lucic
Where all itches the OBC HAD to scratch. Just go back to said player’s draft year. Larson in particular, was a strong contender to be drafted by the Oilers. The anecdotal evidence is in this very blog’s archives is there. To contend that the OBC has “nothing to do” with the Chiarelli fiasco is to focus on a donut’s hole and not the entire donut.

This is either nonsense or sloppy thinking. In any case, the reporting is that MacT, for one, was against the Hall trade, which accounts for two of your three bits of “evidence.”

The urge to blame the OBC in this town is pathological.

Cassandra

Bag of Pucks:
Cassandra,

The OBC is the common denominator in this 13 years of suck. The reason there’s speculation on this is they’re STILL here, still feeding the media narratives on ‘character issues,’ still working the ‘process’ and telling new hires they’ll need to ‘fit with the culture,’ still involved as a ‘group’ on decisions like the Koskinen extension. There is no defensible position for people like Howson, MacT and Green having the jobs they do. The broom swept out the designated scapegoat when what’s needed is a full housecleaning. The idiots that are left still think JP not in Bakersfield is a good idea. Just as they thought sink or swim was the best development model for Schultz, Yakupov, etc.

The OBC doesn’t get a free pass on this failure of an organization

Case in point. All of your quotes are from Bob Nicholson, the guy who was brought in to replace the OBC. This is all very disconnected from reality.

Cassandra

Jordan: Has anyone noticed that no one was talking about the “red wine crew” until this poster brought them up?

Has anyone noticed that this poster is generalizing about a large and diverse segment of Oilers fandom and what they think?

Me too.

It was the main topic of conversation in last night’s thread. It is pretty funny that you think Oilers fandom is diverse.

Blaming the OBC is not productive. It is conspiracy theory stuff that makes it difficult to suss out the real problems behind the oddities.