Wind Chill

It was one of those games you’re fairly sure of the final result but are still hoping for something positive for the losing side. If you’ve ever cheered for an expansion team you’ll know that feeling, just trying to find something to hold on to over the summer. I saw a few kids good, more in a minute.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: The Oilers sure have a lot of problems, but there is a simple solution.
  • Jonathan Willis: Taking stock of Oilers positives as they enter the final third of a dismal 2018-19 season.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Keith Gretzky on the Oilers trade deadline plan, Andrej Sekera’s return and Jesse Puljujarvi’s season
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ potential roster upheaval might set a record for summer activity
  • Jonathan Willis: Teams should beware of these players at the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Will he stay or will he go? Possible trade destination for Cam Talbot.
  • Lowetide: Comparing Oilers prospects Tyler Benson and Kailer Yamamoto
  • Lowetide: Is Ken Hitchcock helping Jesse Puljujarvi find his way as an NHL player?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What Connor McDavid’s evolving leadership qualities mean to the Oilers.
  • Lowetide: It’s time for Oilers owner Daryl Katz to stand and deliver a winning organization.
  • Lowetide: Setting the Oilers’ expected keeper list for the next GM
  • Lowetide: Entry deal AHL forwards give the Oilers an excellent trade pool.
  • Lowetide: If fast is the new big, how do the Edmonton Oilers get there in a hurry?
  • Jonathan Willis: Analyzing how well Peter Chiarelli and Keith Gretzky restocked the Oilers with their draft work
  • Lowetide: Finding a path to the playoffs may involve reckless use of future assets by the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL free agency period
  • Corey Pronman: 2019 NHL Draft midseason rankings
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Lowetide: Edmonton’s 2019 entry draft plans may change with new GM but needs are clear
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

OILERS AFTER 56

  • Oilers in 2015: 22-29-5, 49 points; goal differential -27
  • Oilers in 2016: 29-19-8, 66 points; goal differential +7
  • Oilers in 2017: 23-29-4, 50 points; goal differential -33
  • Oilers in 2018: 24-27-5, 53 points; goal differential -21

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 2-4-0, four points; goal differential -14
  • Oilers in February 2017: 3-3-0, six points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in February 2018: 1-4-1, three points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in February 2019: 1-3-2, four points; goal differential -8

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: Philadelphia, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-2)
  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Pittsburgh, Carolina, NY Islanders (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, NY Islanders, Anaheim (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Toronto, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-3-2, four points in six games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Gravel-Petrovic were 15-6 in 9:45, 10-6 shots, no goals and 3-4 HDSC. I liked both men’s performance, although Petrovic has a strange habit of standing there and getting run over. Went 9-1 in 5:47 against Blueger-McCann-Hornqvist, I think they earned another assignment.
  • Klefbom-Larsson went 19-13 in 19:36, 12-8 shots, 1-0 goals and 4-3 HDSC. Solid performance by the two men, they are a good fit together. Went 7-11 in 10:21 (1-0 goals) against Guentzel-Crosby-Rust.
  • Nurse-Russell went 18-19 in 18:30, 10-10 shots and 0-1 goals, 2-6 HDSC. The pairing is both careless and casual with the puck and it’s costing the Oilers games. The new general manager probably won’t view the tapes.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 31 of 33, .939. He can’t let in the shortie.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian were 24-18 in 18:48, 1-1 goals and 5-10 in HDSC. They created offense at both ends. Went 20-20 in 16:36 against Dumoulin-Letang. McDavid had several chances to score, you give them to him over again and he cashes twice.
  • Khaira-Nuge-Chiasson went 11-6 in 8:58, no goals and 2-0 HDSC. I wanted JP there but Chiasson gave the line some veteran presence. Went 12-3 in 8:13 against Riikola-Johnson.
  • Lucic-Malone-Puljujarvi were 3-0 in 6:31, no shots, no goals no danger. Lucic and Puljujarvi were hilarious. Lucic passed the puck to Puljujarvi by going behind the Penguins net even though JP was right side high slot. Pulju passed the puck to Lucic as he was heading off the ice. They both tried to get out of the Edmonton zone together, looked like kids late for the school bus.
  • Rieder-Cave-Rattie went 6-3 in 5:55, 5-3 shots, no goals and 2-1 HDSC. This line got things headed in a good direction.

ANDREJ SEKERA

Bakersfield Condors won last night, Andrej Sekera played well again and should be winding his way to the NHL tomorrow. Edmonton can apply for a reprieve but that’s only for a couple of games and would give them a few days to get the house in order. Elliotte Friedman mentioned a Cam Talbot for Brian Elliott trade during the game broadcast last night, the team can also waive Brandon Manning today, recall Reg tomorrow and run with 22 players (sending out the extra forward). It’s a mess.

OILERS ASSETS OUT

Since it appears we are close to the Oilers first deadline deal, I thought it would be a good idea to publish a list of possible assets out. Small problem: Does anyone want these players?

  1. G Cam Talbot. UFA this summer, he led the Oilers to their first playoff berth in a decade just two years ago.
  2. RD Matt Benning. He has one more year after this one, $1.9 million AAV. He’s averaging just 14:46 per game this year (down from 17:17) but he’s a righty and should draw interest.
  3. R Zack Kassian. Also on the books for another year (at $1.9 million). His recent performances should mean greater interest.
  4. R Jesse Puljujarvi. I hate the idea, and a true contender won’t have interest. That said, JP is a player other NHL teams may take a chance on. Don’t expect a massive return.
  5. R Alex Chiasson. Not sure they’ll deal him but Chiasson’s trade value might be the best in this group. He has scored 17 goals and 27 points, and has posted some offense despite the goal drought.
  6. L Kevin Gravel. He doesn’t cost much and he’s good. Absolutely the kind of player who has deadline value.
  7. LD Kris Russell. Uncertain he’d waive, but this player type is exactly the sort who has extra value at the deadline.
  8. L Tobias Rieder. He has good speed and can PK, someone will have interest.
  9. R Alex Petrovic. At the deadline we might see late interest.
  10. L Jujhar Khaira. I’m including him only because a team like Boston might overpay for a perceived need.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we’ll roll out the top flight guests and talk Oilers summer. Scheduled to appear:

  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman, The Athletic. Daniel’s interview with Keith Gretzky offers us some insight into the path forward.
  • Andrew Gross, NY Newsday. We’ll chat Islanders and their impressive season.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Trade board includes few Oilers, how can that be? Do NHL teams dislike the Oilers stuff?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer: That is exactly how it didn’t happen
    The scouting services unanimously had Yak number 1
    The only reason there was any discussion is the Oil really needed D
    Here is Bob Mackenzies list
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/eyeonthesens.com/2012/06/18/bob-mckenzies-2012-nhl-draft-rankings/amp/

    Here is Red lines
    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-draft-top30-prospects/

    Somehow everyone missed his lack of hockey sense.

    Nobody wanted to trade up and pay even a modest price for the pick. Montreal and Toronto were so interested in Yakupov, they chose guys coming off of major surgery. Anaheim went rogue and took Lindholm.

    And then someone overruled the Oilers scouts, MBS, and Tambellini when they wanted to trust their board and pick Murray.

  2. SwedishPoster says:

    Jethro Tull: I’m not saying the Oilers have treated JP right.Far from it.But who the fuck are JP’s “advisors”?It isn’t a case of burning ELC for the Oilers.If anything, if JP comes over and does well, it puts the Oilers at a disadvantage – JP’s next contract will be more expensive and you just burnt off the value in him.So it would have been advantagious for JP to get here and start making the big dollars.He spends two years in Europe on those wages and he’s behind.Remember, this is a 4OV.Not a 3rd or 4th walkabout pick you can forget about until he does something worth noticing.

    No, coming over was the only right decision made in this fiasco.More money, sooner to second, bigger contract, sooner to UFA if it goes tits up.Oilers get a cheap, cost controlled impact player……if they develop him right.Which they didn’t.

    How is it the right decision? I’m not saying it’s about burning elc years for the Oilers, for them it’s about control over his development, thinking they can push his timeline. It’s Jesse who wants to burn them. If he doesn’t burn his elc he won’t get to his second contract quicker.

    Jesse knows he’s probably not NHL ready, so he will likely spend time in the AHL, where he’s paid less than he is as a top player in Finland, the AHL is also by pretty much everyone in europe considered a bad development league correctly or not but that’s how it’s viewed. So if he doesn’t push for a certain amount of NHL games not only is his paycheck when he’s not an NHLer less than it would be at home, but he won’t have the benefit of burning years off his elc. So his agent pushes for something that will benefit his client and unless he burns his elc years there’s zero benefit for him coming over. In the process getting him at least a few months of NHL pay.

    And yes his NHL pay will be better than in europe but if he comes over right away he most likely won’t be a full time NHL player and if he is he won’t hit his bonuses so while the money would be good they won’t be anything crazy, he/his advisors know there’s a pretty good chance of this because he just came off a 0.5 ppg season in Finland which is good for his age but doesn’t say top 6 in the NHL within a few months, he’s just had shoulder surgery and he’s still growing. That’s unlikely to be a guy who comes in and blows the doors off.

  3. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Gregor refuting the Hitch likely to quit rumours, saying he talked to Hitch himself and also that part of the contract is a consulting role with the team that he’d have to give up if he quit.

    Interesting tidbit, about the consultant role.

    Wonder how long the contract is for? Thought it was just this season.

  4. leadfarmer says:

    godot10: Nobody wanted to trade up and pay even a modest price for the pick.Montreal and Toronto were so interested in Yakupov, they chose guys coming off of major surgery.Anaheim went rogue and took Lindholm.

    And then someone overruled the Oilers scouts, MBS, and Tambellini when they wanted to trust their board and pick Murray.

    You have no idea what the discussions with other teams were, The ask may have been a very good roster player for all we know. Maybe they even had a good offer and were not allowed to accept it. Yes the Oilers braintrust was leaning D because they needed D. The draft boards all had Yak going 1.

  5. Ribs says:

    OriginalPouzar: Keith Gretzky confirmed he is trying to get rid of some contracts with term.

    Players with term…

    McDavid
    Draisatl
    Nugent-Hopkins
    Klefbom
    Larsson
    Nurse
    Sekera
    Koskinen
    —————————–
    Russell
    Lucic
    Kassian
    Brodziak
    Cave
    Spooner
    Manning
    Benning

    I wonder how many could be purged at the deadline?

  6. LMHF#1 says:

    One avoidable but impending mistake I see on the horizon – this is the sort of group that would hire Woodcroft as HC for next season.

    Don’t do it.

    Don’t do it ladies and gents.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    slopitch:
    I agree that the Oilers should be open to moving JP. Again not that you move him but there might be a team like Arizona that could see Dylan Strome do well in a new jersey and pay a price you’d consider. JP looks lost all over the ice. Im not sure when/if the confidence will arrive.

    The reason Dylan Strome has popped (a year older than JP mind you – at JP’s age, he was in the AHL after not performing at the NHL level), inst’ due to the change in jersey but due to the change in the players in the jersey he is on the ice with.

    Quality of linemates – that is why Strome has, all of a sudden, become an every day NHL player producing at top 6 (top line) rates.

    This scenario can happen in an Oiler jersey….

  8. SkatinginSand says:

    godot10,

    And, according to Petry’s agent, in January, when MacTavish was again approached about a long term contract, he replied that he wasn’t interested in resigning Petry and was, in fact, looking to trade him. There is a direct connection between MacTavish’s idiocy and Chiarelli’s woeful attempts to find real top 4 defencemen.

  9. digger50 says:

    slopitch:
    I agree that the Oilers should be open to moving JP. Again not that you move him but there might be a team like Arizona that could see Dylan Strome do well in a new jersey and pay a price you’d consider. JP looks lost all over the ice. Im not sure when/if the confidence will arrive.

    Man I miss Sather. He’d get something good for Talbot. Had a way of doing whatever he did behind the scenes “Look Chuck, Columbus is looking for a replacement for Bobrovsky and is asking permission to sign an extension. I need more than Elliot and dont call me back until you have a real offer.” I still remember Sather turning Corson into Cujo. Basically opposite Chai. Even MacT got a 1st for Perron and Tambo got a 1st (Klefbom!) for Penner. Godspeed Keith Gretzky. This team needs to win a trade like a camel needs water.

    umm, but a camel doesn’t really need water, its a camel. Kind of lost me here.

  10. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Not to mention playing with a high end offensive forward that he was comfortable with.

  11. RonnieB says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Gregor refuting the Hitch likely to quit rumours, saying he talked to Hitch himself and also that part of the contract is a consulting role with the team that he’d have to give up if he quit.

    Interesting tidbit, about the consultant role.

    Wonder how long the contract is for?Thought it was just this season.

    Consultant role = Lifetime Guest Pass to OBC meetings??

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Jordan,

    Remember when the Drake had a hot start in preseason, then got injured.
    Somehow when he came back he was thrust into the 3rd line Centre role.
    A rookie pro.
    A new position.
    And way too much rope.
    Classic Oilers Promises.

    One of the most mind-boggling roster deployment decisions of the last 3-5 years was asking Drake Caggiula, a rookie pro winger who missed half of camp and the first 6 weeks of the season to come in and play the 3C role.

    Talk about setting a player up to fail. He should have likely been in the AHL, let alone asked to play center in the NHL let alone asked to play center in the middle 6 in the NHL.

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: He had Anton Lander playing at over .5 PPG pace…

    Anton Lander.

    IMO letting Nelson go was MacTavish’s biggest mistake – even more than the Petry signing because it lead to Dallas Eakins, the antithesis of Todd Nelson.

    If I remember correctly, wasn’t that based off of a PP heater with Hall?

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: I agree.

    I felt that the timing of the Koskinen extension seemed like Chiarelli getting to keep his word before getting fired.

    I also wonder if the Caggiula trade also falls under the category of promises made. The only winner in the Caggiula trade was Caggiula himself.

    I don’t understand what the promise to Koskinen may have been?

    He signed in Edmonton because the organization gave him a higher annual salary and he had multiple-year offers.

    Was the promise to re-sign him for multiple years and mid-range starter money no matter how he performed?

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cassandra:
    Speaking of Eakins, Friedman has him as the betting favourite to be the next coach of the Ducks.

    I think that’s all but a foregone conclusion – he’s earned it with his work in San Diego (although we thought that with his work with the Marlies).

    I bet he’s learned quite a bit from earlier mistakes

  16. Jethro Tull says:

    Lots on ‘conspiracy theories’ yesterday about the OBC controlling the Oilers.

    You can add ‘players signing inflated contracts with implicit unwritten promises of NHL games/minutes in contravention of the spirit of the CBA’ to them as well.

    I really do think people have thought through the implications of this if it’s true and why we’ve never heard about it in the MSM

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Dicky94:
    Durag,

    McDavid is frustrated enough.JP needs to go the Bakersfield ASAP. I have a feeling he’s gone at the deadline though.

    McDavid’s fancies go WAY UP when Puljujarvi is on his line. I fall to see why this would be a source of frustration for him.

    I knew they had good numbers together but, taking a quick look, this is true with the possession metrics and McDavid is actually below 50% without Jesse (and over 50% with him). It seems a little off to me given its been 66 minutes together this season…..

    As an aside, this doesn’t hold true for goal share, in those 66% minutes McDavid is well below 50% with Jesse – substantially – this year at least.

    ————

    Checked the possession number boost is similar for last year as well (55 minutes or so) and the goals share is also boosted.

    ——————–

    Man, 55 an 66 minute sample sizes – geez.

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: You got pegged by your doctor this morning?

    This happens when one is over 40…..

  19. Jethro Tull says:

    SwedishPoster,

    The point is JP isn’t in control of his development the moment he and his advisors decide to enter him in the draft.

    If he took your route, he could have waited until 21yo, if I have it correct and made good coin and developed in Finland without any pressure.

    The moment he was drafted, the goal is to get to the NHL and a big contract ASAP. His destiny was not in his hands.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    SwedishPoster:
    On another note Joel Persson with a bit of a strange goal tonight, about a minute in. You might need a swedish IP to watch it.

    https://www.shl.se/play/video/Vaxjo_Lakers_Brynas_IF-44189534?autoplay=1

    Thanks for the update – been some a crazy client day for me, I haven’t even had a chance to read through the LT comments let alone keep track of the prospects – I don’t like being behind.

    As an aside, what was so weird about that goal?

  21. Halfwise says:

    digger50: umm, but a camel doesn’t really need water, its a camel.Kind of lost me here.

    That’s a koala. Camels drink like champions. Less red wine than some champions, of course.

  22. Scungilli Slushy says:

    SwedishPoster: Thing is in Finland he was lauded for his high hockey IQ. That and vision was pretty much seen as his biggest traits. And I don’t think finnish hockey people are idiots, on the contrary. They know their hockey.

    The way they see it the Oilers are about to ruin one of the most talented players they’ve ever had. It’s been quite a few angry articles in the papers, and that’s just the minority part of media I can read that’s written in swedish, sure there are plenty out there in finnish, and when you’re angry in finnish you sound really angry. And when I talk to finnish hockey people you get the same irritated viewpoint.

    They are terrified that the Oil might end up drafting Kakko…

    The Oilers draft players, often with a lot of hype around them, and when they arrive ask them to be a different player than what got them drafted.

    Every player in every sport that gets to the best league in their sport has to make some adjustments.

    But fundamentally changing their game is a recipe for failure. Schultz is a great example, tremendously skilled, and a bought as light on the body as they come. Of course it didn’t end well.

    Contrast this with Cagguila’s comments, he was asked to do nothing when he arrived in Chicago except play his game. No heavy learning sessions about systems. You’ll pick it up.

    This pattern has played out for years.

    With Jesse I read they asked him to lean out and he did. I’m not sure a kid at his size should do that . He is still growing and building strength. A lot of cardio and working on strength he needs such as legs imo would have been better advice.

    Jesse looks weak to me. I think the training was the issue. I remain hopeful until dissappointed again some brains arrive on the scene.

  23. OilersFuture says:

    Jethro Tull: The moment he was drafted, the goal is to get to the NHL and a big contract ASAP. His destiny was not in his hands.

    If this is what his advisors are telling him he has the wrong advisors. The difference between making more money (short term) versus the proper development path for him will likely cause less money long term. If they want proof of this ask Magnus Paajarvi, Sam Gagner & Nail Yakupov.

  24. CallighenMan says:

    Cassandra: Completely agree.KGretzky’s track record at the draft, his supposed best quality, is terrible.Mark Hunter was also bad at drafting.

    And these are two of the top supposed candidates.

    Also, success in Bakersfield notwithstanding, the Oilers do not have top prospects coming.

    NOW you are definitely trolling, DSF

  25. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t understand what the promise to Koskinen may have been?

    He signed in Edmonton because the organization gave him a higher annual salary and he had multiple-year offers.

    Was the promise to re-sign him for multiple years and mid-range starter money no matter how he performed?

    Just a hunch based on timing of the extension relative to Chiarelli getting fired.

    It’s possible that he had been in contact with his agent about an extension after the early hot start. Chiarelli did not fear small sample sizes.

  26. Ryan says:

    CallighenMan: NOW you are definitely trolling, DSF

    Hmm, I’m pretty certain that Cassandra isn’t DSF, but admittedly I’ve forgotten his/her old handle.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Nobody wanted to pick Yakupov.So trading down was hard.Most had identified it as a D draft, and were confident they could get their D with their pick, and didn’t what to pay up in a weak draft.

    Nobody wanted to pick the consensus number 1 pick? Come on, are you just making stuff up now that fits your narrative? If not, please provide some sort of evidence for that wild statement.

    Not wanting to be exorbitant prices for a 1st overall (which they would (and should) have been) is not the same as not wanting to draft the player.

  28. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: I’m not saying the Oilers have treated JP right.Far from it.But who the fuck are JP’s “advisors”?It isn’t a case of burning ELC for the Oilers.If anything, if JP comes over and does well, it puts the Oilers at a disadvantage – JP’s next contract will be more expensive and you just burnt off the value in him.So it would have been advantagious for JP to get here and start making the big dollars.He spends two years in Europe on those wages and he’s behind.Remember, this is a 4OV.Not a 3rd or 4th walkabout pick you can forget about until he does something worth noticing.

    No, coming over was the only right decision made in this fiasco.More money, sooner to second, bigger contract, sooner to UFA if it goes tits up.Oilers get a cheap, cost controlled impact player……if they develop him right.Which they didn’t.

    Jesse’s ELC would have slid if he was in the AHL all year during his draft plus one (less than 10 NHL games) and the same in his draft plus 2 year.

  29. Jethro Tull says:

    Ryan: Hmm, I’m pretty certain that Cassandra isn’t DSF, but admittedly I’ve forgotten his/her old handle.

    Cassandra = Captain Obvious = Caramel Batman

    DSF = Dashing Silver Fox = Dead Cat Bounce (I think)

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

    YKOil: In regards to the coaches, I’m going to lay some of the blame on the ‘win now’ mantra that has been in place since McDavid was drafted.

    Take that pressure away and make it clear that it is about development and finding the right combinations and I believe this is a much different, much more successful team

    I don’t think that is necessarily the case in the situations I was talking about – the manager acquired wingers with a history of providing secondary scoring in the top 6 (Spooner) or a top 6 skillset (Zykov) but the coach simply wouldn’t play them in the top 6. This wasn’t in the name of development, I don’t believe, but because he thought that deployment was not the best to help the team win.

    The coach has deployed Spooner on a line with Brodziak and Joe. G. while playing Chiasson with McDavid (which does not work) and various other players in the top 6 without top 6 pedigree, etc.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: No, for a disconnect, it has to be between two parties.

    Coach:We need more speed and defensive acumen along with scoring.

    GM:Here’s Zykov.

    Coach:He’s not fast.Or defensively aware.Try again.

    GM:Here’s Spooner.

    Coach:Nope.See above.Hey, where did my defensively aware 3rd line center go?

    GM:Did you play any of these guys with McDavid?I mean, we’re gonna tell the kids they need to earn the NHL, but if Zykov or Spooner are struggling, put ’em with Connor.

    Coach:

    This doesn’t make any sense to me. The GM acquired player in the name of offence and scoring. The coach didn’t play the players where they could reasonably be expected to produce offence and scoring. Disconnect!

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Gregor refuting the Hitch likely to quit rumours, saying he talked to Hitch himself and also that part of the contract is a consulting role with the team that he’d have to give up if he quit.

    Interesting tidbit, about the consultant role.

    Wonder how long the contract is for?Thought it was just this season.

    The organization was very express at the time of the hiring that it was only for the remainder of this year.

    They cannot bring this coach back subject to some sort of miracle.

    Maybe they can hire him as a media avail consultant and he can write the verbals for the new coach – he’s good with the press – I don’t know if he’s good a coaching in the current league, at least not with current personnel (which won’t change all that much for next season).

    Maybe a full training camp, etc. will get the players to play how Hitch wants – or maybe his techniques don’t work with this group or this group can’t (is not good enough to) play that way.

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ribs: Players with term…

    McDavid
    Draisatl
    Nugent-Hopkins
    Klefbom
    Larsson
    Nurse
    Sekera
    Koskinen
    —————————–
    Russell
    Lucic
    Kassian
    Brodziak
    Cave
    Spooner
    Manning
    Benning

    I wonder how many could be purged at the deadline?

    For those below the line, I think:

    Benning and Kassian could be traded straight up – including a return of some level

    Russell MAY be able to be traded straight up but, with $750K retained, I think he could definitely be traded for a return of some level

    Brodziak is under the limit that is buryable fully in the AHL which is helpfu – he may be tradeable but for no real return

    Manning – with retainment of apx $1M, he could be traded.

    Lucic – Blah

    Spooner – same with Manning – we are better off keeping that player and giving him a real shot.

    ——————————-

    I wouldn’t expect much back for any of the players but Benning and Kass would at least get an asset back (as opposed to a penalty).

    I’d be more apt to make trades with a bit of retaining as opposed to adding sweeteners – retaining isn’t ideal but it doesn’t extend the term of the contracts nor does it bleed any assets.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Stauffer is getting more and more agitated by the hour – his tweets are becoming increasingly aggressive and unprofessional.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    LMHF#1:
    One avoidable but impending mistake I see on the horizon – this is the sort of group that would hire Woodcroft as HC for next season.

    Don’t do it.

    Don’t do it ladies and gents.

    I’m not necessarily against this as an option in the future but one successful season as a head coach in the AHL is not enough in my opinion. Its like prospect development, don’t rush him.

    I wonder if he’d hire his long time colleague and friend, Todd McLellan, as an assistant coach…..

  36. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: I knew they had good numbers together but, taking a quick look, this is true with the possession metrics and McDavid is actually below 50% without Jesse (and over 50% with him). It seems a little off to me given its been 66 minutes together this season…..

    As an aside, this doesn’t hold true for goal share, in those 66% minutes McDavid is well below 50% with Jesse – substantially – this year at least.

    ————

    Checked the possession number boost is similar for last year as well (55 minutes or so) and the goals share is also boosted.

    ——————–

    Man, 55 an 66 minute sample sizes – geez.

    I was thinking of stats from the 3 years combined.

  37. ArmchairGM says:

    Kucherov with 4 points through 2 periods tonight… I don’t think McDavid will win the Art Ross this year.

  38. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: This doesn’t make any sense to me.The GM acquired player in the name of offence and scoring. The coach didn’t play the players where they could reasonably be expected to produce offence and scoring.Disconnect!

    Ok I’ll just say it: They were and are terrible, terrible shitty signings that made the team worse the moment they set skate to ice in an Oiler uniform. They were unwanted by their respective teams and for good reasons. Spooner would have been worth a shot if only he hadn’t cost one of our best defensive and special teams players, one that, if you’re going to try a struggling player with McDavid, why not start with him?

    The GM has a vision of how the team should play. The GM provides the coach with players they feel can enact said vision. The coach has to use these players to enact said vision. Only that falls down if the vision is total bollocks. The coach wants to win games. He needs players that can help do that. He sees these players nearly everyday and is well aware of their strengths and weaknesses.

    The coach has very few things he can do if they and the GM don’t talk to each other. One of them is not playing the dross he’s given. And the fact that not one but two coaches in quick succession have done the same thing further proves this.

  39. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Stauffer is getting more and more agitated by the hour – his tweets are becoming increasingly aggressive and unprofessional.

    ithis.i don’t have the twitters. Are they pretty bad? I like him a lot, but when he patronizes and belittles the fans and does his “we know something you don’t know” schtick I turn the radio off.

  40. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Lots of maybes there… what we do know from his tenure after being relieved in Dallas for Montgomery (and, wait for it… Todd Nelson) is that he was utilized in a capacity as a western conference NHL scout.

    I’d imagine if he continues on with the club past this year, it would be in a similar capacity but that’s simply conjecture on my part.

  41. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    He made a PSA early on his show today about how people’s texts are tracked in a database so if you’re someone who’s texting in 250 times a day and making threats or being nasty he hopes you’re self-employed, or something to that effect. Maybe the ol’ River Cree Casino text line has gotten downright nasty after the game last night.

    Funny that his most recent tweet could easily be directed at his pal Spector.

    Bob Stauffer
    @Bob_Stauffer

    26m
    For the 6,437th time…this season!
    The Oilers top players (McDavid, Leon, RNH-all on pace for career seasons) are the least of the organizations’ problems.
    If that is your narrative…buy a clue.

  42. Glovjuice says:

    Professor Q:
    Happy Valentine’s Day, everyone.

    Are we all back to being amiable, or will the losses drive us all mad and into endless division?

    LOL – are you in high school?

  43. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Wasn’t Erne the TBY rookie who Lucic punked as politely as he could?

    Benn just went after him from running around in general, and going after Heiskanen.

  44. jtblack says:

    THE TURTLE race for the last wildcard. Keep in mind Minny soon has to play.

    ST.L
    WPG
    CAL
    NASH
    NASH
    T.B.
    S.J.

  45. CallighenMan says:

    Jethro Tull: Cassandra = Captain Obvious = Caramel Batman

    DSF = Dashing Silver Fox = Dead Cat Bounce (I think)

    I think you missed joining those lines with another equivalency 🙂

  46. JimmyV1965 says:

    bmclav:
    Oilers should start a one year re build now, if done right playoffs are possible next year but of course we don’t have anyone smart enough to do what’s required:

    Sell off Talbot (3rd + 4th), Chiasson (3rd), Russell retain $1Mill + Safin (2nd), Gravel (6th), Benning (3rd), Manning (6th) for any picks you can get.

    Package Bear and a 2nd at the draft for a middle six forward who can score 20+ goals (Dzingel)

    Package a 3rd and B level prospect at the draft for Burakovsky

    Draft one of Kakko, Cozens, Zegras with our top 5 pick

    2019-2020:

    Nuge-Mcd-Khaira
    Kakko-Drai-Pulju
    Benson-Dzingel-Burakovsky
    Lucic-Spooner-Kassian

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Sekera
    Jones-Bouchard
    Petrovic

    Koski

    At least this lineup has skill up and down and has all solid effective puck movers on D who won’t be constantly rimming it or throwing grenades in our forwards feet. Sekera, who just needs to be a solid veteran#4 that keeps it simple, can calm nurse down which Russell couldn’t do. Jones and Bouche both looked good in their stints this year so should be able to handle sheltered 3rd pairing minutes with another full off season of training and knowing what to expect. Call up benson for 3-5 games before his condors playoff run just so he gets his feet wet so he isn’t completely raw next year either. Still have Marody, Yamo, Persson, Lagesson all fringe nhlers pushing and ready for injury callups , add samorukov, McLeod, Maksimov as a solid rookie pro crop and draft skilled forwards with remaining 2nd and 3rds at the draft to keep stocking the cupboards.

    We’ve seen time and time again teams turn it around in short order, hell chiacago did a quick rebuild, added a top 6 forward in strome for cheap, added Caggiula for more scoring depth and sold off a bad contract in manning, all mid season and are now pushing for playoffs! Adding a top 6 forward (Bear + 2nd is more than enough for a 20 goal scorer in his prime), selling off a bunch of contracts and simply drafting a stud forward top 5 isn’t really asking a lot, but I guess when management is this incompetent it is.

    No offence, but that lineup ain’t getting us into the playoffs next year. I see a lot of hope and wishing there. Your top 9 includes 5 question marks. You can’t count on these guys to produce offence next year:

    Khaira
    JP
    Kakko
    Benson
    Burakovsky

    I’ll be sorely disappointed if Dzingel is our big offseason acquisition and I actually like the player.

  47. Professor Q says:

    Glovjuice: LOL – are you in high school?

    What do you even mean by this?

  48. flyfish1168 says:

    phlegms lose again. This brings me happiness

  49. Ryan says:

    Jethro Tull: Cassandra = Captain Obvious = Caramel Batman

    DSF = Dashing Silver Fox = Dead Cat Bounce (I think)

    Nicely done. How did I forget about Dre… aka Caramel Batman?

    Pretty crazy how DSF and Captain Obvious both went from heretics to the voices of reason at this blog.

    #amelioration

  50. jp says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Wasn’t Erne the TBY rookie who Lucic punked as politely as he could?

    Benn just went after him from running around in general, and going after Heiskanen.

    No, that was Matheiu Joseph.

  51. Jethro Tull says:

    Ryan: Nicely done. How did I forget about Dre… aka Caramel Batman?

    Pretty crazy how DSF and Captain Obvious both went from heretics to the voices of reason at this blog.

    #amelioration

    I’m sure they’ll come around!😉

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Contrast this with Cagguila’s comments, he was asked to do nothing when he arrived in Chicago except play his game. No heavy learning sessions about systems. You’ll pick it up.

    Maybe they should have tried the other approach given Caggiula has not been good for Chicago – poor scoring rates, poor possession metrics (and poor relative possession metrics) and an even goal share despite his most common linemates being Kane and Toews (and during a time where the team has been hot)….

  53. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: If I remember correctly, wasn’t that based off of a PP heater with Hall?

    I remember him benefiting from some time with Hall too, but turns out it was at even strength.

    He played less than 6 PP minutes with Hall (of 79 min total). He was most commonly with Eberle, Nuge, Purcell and Schultz instead (playing the point, right?)

    His most common even strength line mates were:
    Matt Fraser 214 min 1.96P/60
    Andrew Miller 104 min 2.31P/60
    Taylor Hall 96 min 2.49P/60
    Teddy Purcell 90 min 1.99P/60
    He did well with all of them.

    Overall his 20 points were 13 at even strength (11 at 5 on 5), 7 on the PP. And just 4 of the 20 came with Hall on the ice.

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: Ok I’ll just say it: They were and are terrible, terrible shitty signings that made the team worse the moment they set skate to ice in an Oiler uniform. They were unwanted by their respective teams and for good reasons. Spooner would have been worth a shot if only he hadn’t cost one of our best defensive and special teams players, one that, if you’re going to try a struggling player with McDavid, why not start with him?

    The GM has a vision of how the team should play. The GM provides the coach with players they feel can enact said vision. The coach has to use these players to enact said vision. Only that falls down if the vision is total bollocks. The coach wants to win games. He needs players that can help do that. He sees these players nearly everyday and is well aware of their strengths and weaknesses.

    The coach has very few things he can do if they and the GM don’t talk to each other. One of them is not playing the dross he’s given. And the fact that not one but two coaches in quick succession have done the same thing further proves this.

    1) The Spooner trade was a risk at the time it was made but it had (and still has) the potential to work out for this team – this requires the coach to actually put the player in a position to succeed. This team has McDavid, Drai and Nugent-Hopkins – center depth should not be an issue and is only an issue b/c of the lack of scoring options on the wing – a 3C who can PK is not an issue if he’s not forced to play wing. The trade was made by the GM in the name of scoring but the coach would not give that a chance

    2) I was one of the biggest Strome proponents for a while – I was in the vast minority. While many agreed that he found a solid role at the end of his tenure, the same would profess that he was a tertiary player and wouldn’t be a big loss. Of course, after he’s traded he’s remembered in a completely different light as one of the team’s best defensive and special teams players

    3) The GM has a vision and provides players to play within that vision – the vision was to increase the chance of secondary scoring on the wings by acquiring a player with a higher offensive pedigree and a history of providing offence in the top 6 – the coach wouldn’t allow the vision to be seen by relegating the acquired player.

    4) The coach not playing the players the GM acquires for him, not putting them in a position to succeeds – that’s on the coach.

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: ithis.i don’t have the twitters. Are they pretty bad? I like him a lot, but when he patronizes and belittles the fans and does his “we know something you don’t know” schtick I turn the radio off.

    Bob Stauffer

    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer
    2h2 hours ago
    More
    For the 6,437th time…this season!
    The Oilers top players (McDavid, Leon, RNH-all on pace for career seasons) are the least of the organizations’ problems.
    If that is your narrative…buy a clue.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp,

    There you go – thanks for the work.

  57. knighttown says:

    SwedishPoster: Thing is in Finland he was lauded for his high hockey IQ. That and vision was pretty much seen as his biggest traits. And I don’t think finnish hockey people are idiots, on the contrary. They know their hockey.

    The way they see it the Oilers are about to ruin one of the most talented players they’ve ever had. It’s been quite a few angry articles in the papers, and that’s just the minority part of media I can read that’s written in swedish, sure there are plenty out there in finnish, and when you’re angry in finnish you sound really angry. And when I talk to finnish hockey people you get the same irritated viewpoint.

    They are terrified that the Oil might end up drafting Kakko…

    Ok but I worry this “development” thing is a bit of a red herring. Leon was drafted at the same spot and treated the same way and he turned out well. Practicing every day with 97, 29 and 93 has to be the “pro” side of the “pro/con” ledger, no? He’s in his draft + 3. How many of his forward peers are still playing in the AHL?

    Maybe they ruined him but like Yakupov, I think at least 80% is on the player.

  58. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    The coach probably wanted Strome more than he wanted Spooner

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    The coach probably wanted Strome more than he wanted Spooner

    Sure, probably did but he doesn’t have Strome, he has a higher pedigree offensive player provided by the GM to help with offensive production – one would think he would be put in a position to do what he was acquired for.

  60. Scungilli Slushy says:

    knighttown: Ok but I worry this “development” thing is a bit of a red herring. Leon was drafted at the same spot and treated the same way and he turned out well. Practicing every day with 97, 29 and 93 has to be the “pro” side of the “pro/con” ledger, no? He’s in his draft + 3. How many of his forward peers are still playing in the AHL?

    Maybe they ruined him but like Yakupov, I think at least 80% is on the player.

    How many play for the Oilers.

  61. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Maybe they should have tried the other approach given Caggiula has not been good for Chicago – poor scoring rates, poor possession metrics (and poor relative possession metrics) and an even goal share despite his most common linemates being Kane and Toews (and during a time where the team has been hot)….

    Caggiula isn’t a good NHL player IMO, but they gave him a comfort zone to prove himself.

    One size fits all is a done deal at this point in our social context.

    Adapt or die. The question is: what is the heart and motivation of this person? If there is ability and commitment, perhaps the problem isn’t the person involved.

    Yes it sucks, but it is what it is, same as it always was.

  62. Glovjuice says:

    knighttown:
    Not to double down on poor Jesse but describing that play once more…

    Jesse stole a puck at center ice and looked up and got so excited to see Lucic open he passed it to him as he was leaving the ice.What made it extra funny is that even if Lucic was not going for a line change, the play was 15 feet offside

    That’s sort of it for me with this kid.He’s dumb.I don’t mean personally in that he’d struggle in a game of Trivial Pursuit, I mean that his hockey IQ is ECHL.I don’t need more time to see that.I said the same thing about Nurse around the time of his Team Canada domination; all the tools but no toolbox.

    Jesse is that but with way less tools.

    “But he’s 20 years old, yadda, yadda…”

    “Pavel Datsyuk was still in the AHL…”

    I hate that argument.Do you think that if Datsyuk played in the NHL at 20-21 he’d be this bad?

    I get that other players had done less and gone on to do more by Jesse’s age but that’s only because they were not given their opportunity yet.People don’t get THAT much better after the age of 20.They do geet somewhat better but in reality they just get more of a chance.Love it or hate it Jesse has been showing what he can do for quite some time.

    He’s played up the lineup and been bad against good competition with good help and he’s been down the lineup playing the dregs with no help and all the while, it’s the same.

    He’s too poorly balanced to own the puck like other big, skilled guys (Drai/Kopitar) and he’s nowhere near skilled or quick enough to do anything on the rush.

    I think his only hope is to focus simply on learning puck protection in the cycle game hoping that with his frame this skill (balance and puck protection) can be learned but I wouldn’t bet on it.

    This post is accurate in the extreme and is one of the best posts ever on this blog in my opinion. The post above RE the Lucic and Jesse passes is the funniest post ever. Magnificent stuff, Killer T.

  63. Jaxon says:

    Wow, this season is going down the tubes fast. They’re only 3 pts away from being in the 2nd overall draft position going into the lottery. I say sell sell sell, go full tank. Dump about $17M in contacts for whatever you can get. I know more shiny new draft picks don’t look appealing right now, but grabbing any one of the top 4 picks would be amazing. Those two WHL kids (Cozens and Dach) would be a great fit: size, speed, skill. And maybe they can make a trade to move up from their 2nd round pick and grab Moritz Seider. Another big offensive RHD. And being German would be a nice compliment to Draisaitl. Led blueliners at WJC.

  64. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: This happens when one is over 40…..

    Well……..

  65. Glovjuice says:

    Professor Q: What do you even mean by this?

    Valentine’s Day is for children

  66. JimmyV1965 says:

    Jaxon:
    Wow, this season is going down the tubes fast. They’re only 3 pts away from being in the 2nd overall draft position going into the lottery. I say sell sell sell, go full tank. Dump about $17M in contacts for whatever you can get. I know more shiny new draft picks don’t look appealing right now, but grabbing any one of the top 4 picks would be amazing. Those two WHL kids (Cozens and Dach) would be a great fit: size, speed, skill. And maybe they can make a trade to move up from their 2nd round pick and grab Moritz Seider. Another big offensive RHD. And being German would be a nice compliment to Draisaitl. Led blueliners at WJC.

    If this is the route we go, then we should trade RNH in the offseason. Trade him at peak value because it’s unlikely he resigns in two years. I would trade Larsson too because he’s a huge risk to flee as well, but our RHD is so bad we probably have to gamble and just lose him for nothing. For the record, I’m 100% against this approach.

  67. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: If I remember correctly, wasn’t that based off of a PP heater with Hall?

    Hall was out most of the time injured. Nugent-Hopkins between Eberle and Pouliot went supernova, and Lander rocked the bumper role on the power play like he had done for two season in OKC.

    But McLellan didn’t watch any tape. He came in saying the players would play my way or he would change the players. Chiarelli changed the players and got McLellan his guys. AND HERE WE ARE WITH McLellan’s players.

  68. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: This happens when one is over 40…..

    I’ve never once heard a prostate exam described as pegging. Is it commonly referred to as pegging?

  69. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Kucherov with 4 points through 2 periods tonight… I don’t think McDavid will win the Art Ross this year.

    Not playing with Kassian he won’t. But it is pump and dump so I should keep my mouth shut, and pray the pump and dump works.

  70. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    The coach probably wanted Strome more than he wanted Spooner

    The coach, if you remember, didn’t even know Strome’s name. He soured on Strome quickly.

  71. €√¥£€^$ Maoriduvpoojt says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Wasn’t Erne the TBY rookie who Lucic punked as politely as he could?

    Benn just went after him from running around in general, and going after Heiskanen.

    Matthieu Joseph

  72. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    jp,

    €√¥£€^$ Maoriduvpoojt,

    Good catch, thanks!

  73. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    godot10,

    Tough to say if it was a Freudian slip or he simply misspoke. Not something I’d read too much into unless it was a trend or corroborating evidence appears elsewhere.

  74. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Lots on ‘conspiracy theories’ yesterday about the OBC controlling the Oilers.

    You can add ‘players signing inflated contracts with implicit unwritten promises of NHL games/minutes in contravention of the spirit of the CBA’ to them as well.

    I really do think people have thought through the implications of this if it’s true and why we’ve never heard about it in the MSM

    Because the MSM is in on the conspiracy, obv.

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon:
    Wow, this season is going down the tubes fast. They’re only 3 pts away from being in the 2nd overall draft position going into the lottery. I say sell sell sell, go full tank. Dump about $17M in contacts for whatever you can get. I know more shiny new draft picks don’t look appealing right now, but grabbing any one of the top 4 picks would be amazing. Those two WHL kids (Cozens and Dach) would be a great fit: size, speed, skill. And maybe they can make a trade to move up from their 2nd round pick and grab Moritz Seider. Another big offensive RHD. And being German would be a nice compliment to Draisaitl. Led blueliners at WJC.

    Its been noted that Keith Gretzky has expressly said he is looking to move contracts with term. Issue is finding teams to take on those contracts with term without requiring the Oilers to pay a penalty or retain. There are only a few contract with term where a return would be warranted – Benning and Kassian – middling as it may be. At $4M for two more years, Kris Russell’s contract may not be tradeable, certainly not for a return. Retain $1M on that one and a return can be received. Spooner, Manning, Lucic – not only can a return not be expected but the Oilers would need to retain and/or pay a penalty.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: I’ve never once heard a prostate exam described as pegging. Is it commonly referred to as pegging?

    Of course not – it was a joke.

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Not playing with Kassian he won’t.But it is pump and dump so I should keep my mouth shut, and pray the pump and dump works.

    Its note even pump and dump – its the coach believe such deployment gives the team the best chance to win that night.

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: McLellan infamously called him “Dylan” in a presser when talking about Strome.

    Correct – and the conversation is talking about Hitchcock not playing Spooner and likely preferring Strome.

    Not to mention – the coach’s mistake when he called him Dylan was just that, a mistake.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors go for their 14th straight win tonight.

    They have the 3rd highest points percentage in the entire AHL and with a large amount of their primary players being first or second year pros (Marody, Benson, Bear, Jones, Lagesson).

    With the Oilers game tonight being early 5:30, should be able to watch the Condors game in full which will be nice.

  80. jp says:

    knighttown: He’s in his draft + 3. How many of his forward peers are still playing in the AHL?

    Maybe they ruined him but like Yakupov, I think at least 80% is on the player.

    It depends how you define his peers.

    The other forwards at the top of that draft have all cashed, as we’re well aware.
    1) Matthews
    2) Laine
    3) Drouin
    4) Puljujarvi
    5) Juolevi (not a forward, but hasn’t played an NHL game yet)
    6) Tkachuk
    7) Keller

    He’s way behind that forward group, no doubt. But only 2 of 15 remaining 1st round forwards have played exclusively in the NHL this year (26th and 27th picks Tage Thompson and Brett Howden).

    We’re not even through draft +3. A bunch of these guys are first year pros, and a bunch are tracking well behind our own Tyler Benson, never mind Puljujarvi.

    Seems like 80% of Puljujarvi’s issues may be due to inflated expectations.

  81. Jethro Tull says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Because the MSM is in on the conspiracy, obv.

    *adjusts tinfoil hat* hey, I’m picking up 630 CHED!

  82. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: If this is the route we go, then we should trade RNH in the offseason. Trade him at peak value because it’s unlikely he resigns in two years. I would trade Larsson too because he’s a huge risk to flee as well, but our RHD is so bad we probably have to gamble and just lose him for nothing. For the record, I’m 100% against this approach.

    This is ridiculous. Nobody is talking about tearing apart the core, but trading as many problem contracts as possible. Do you really think that trading Kassian, Lucic, Russell and Chiasson will piss Nuge off so badly that he won’t re-sign 2 years from now?

  83. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Folks point out that Chia had a habit of trading talent (true) and of handing out NMC/NTCs to contracts (also true) but he never once hollowed out an NHL roster and turned it over to kids.

    After winning their cup in 2011 the Bruins went on to hit 102, 106 (prorated), 117 and 96 points in the regular season under Chia. They went to the Cup final and lost to the Hawks in 2013, got bounced by the Habs in 2nd round in 2014 and then missed in 2015 based on an ROW tie-break against the WIngs.

    Those Boston teams were excellent, they were good balanced hockey clubs.

    But as described in my post yesterday, something happened in Edmonton when he arrived. All of a sudden the trades became more hazy, the miss-evaluation of talent hit every roster position and the bleeding of talent took on more and epic proportions.

    My theory is that no man or GM is an island, you have to rely on the people around you to get through the day to day because running an NHL club is a heavy duty job.

    In Boston, despite trading away of talent the Bruins missed the playoffs exactly twice when Chia was running the show, in his first and last seasons. Was he incompetent the entire time, perhaps, was he saved from his own worst instincts by the people around him? You know what I’ve got time for that, maybe the only thing that kept the Bruins as competitive as they have been was in fact the “others” in the organization. But that is cold solace for us Oiler fans, why, well because he was surrounded by incompetent leftovers here in Edmonton. People who would have abetted Chia’s worst instincts and whom were fresh from their own culling which produced disastrous results were allowed to sit around the table and do the same damn thing with a fresh batch of kids.

    This is why it is so damn imperative that Katz and NIcholson fire anyone and everyone (maybe not Keith Gretzky) in management roles before hiring a new GM. They cannot be allowed to continue with this club they have all collectively ruined the team twice in the last 6 years, that is incredible.

    On January 6th 2019, MacT was the guest on Hometown Hockey and his entire interview set was explaining how the biggest culture core of the Oilers organization was “loyalty,” in the midst of another Holiday Break meltdown, fresh off the trades mocked incessantly (rightly so) to shore up teh back-end while trading away more valuable forward pieces, he stepped in front of a mic to discuss loyalty… this isn’t a person worried about their job prospects if the team continues to crap the bed.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers-always-loyalty-says-mactavish/

    MacT had a great career as a coach, fantastic, loved his time here (save for the last two years). But enough is enough these people have to go. If they are allowed to stay we’ll be talking about another meltdown, another set of trades like Jimmy is mentioning (Nuge, Larsson, Drai,) out of town because of their attitude or that they won’t accept the challenge and we’ll force more kids high into the lineup.

    Flush these guys right now before they destroy this franchise further.

  84. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!,

    – Thanks for this: we’ve seen things from the same lense a lot

    – I’m not a player evaluator, but I’d add that all three of the big trades had a logic that was sound:

    1) RHD that could play top-line costs a lot
    2) 2 picks for a NHL-ready D
    3) Poor playoff performance that exposed weakness for a salary dump

    – The problem though in hindsight (that some here “predicted”), was in the execution

    – The big-picture role is that of GM, but in any organization, you have to rely upon the rest of management for execution

    – That’s not an excuse for Chia: he is gone on merit, as he was in charge, but if he was surrounded by better informed hockey people, they might not have pulled the trigger on Reinhart, got a better player than Strome, and not offered so much term to Lucic, and/or valued Hall more

  85. Wilde says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: (that some here “predicted”)

    lmao

  86. knighttown says:

    jp: It depends how you define his peers.

    The other forwards at the top of that draft have all cashed, as we’re well aware.
    1) Matthews
    2) Laine
    3) Drouin
    4) Puljujarvi
    5) Juolevi (not a forward, but hasn’t played an NHL game yet)
    6) Tkachuk
    7) Keller

    He’s way behind that forward group, no doubt. But only 2 of 15 remaining 1st round forwards have played exclusively in the NHL this year (26th and 27th picks Tage Thompson and Brett Howden).

    We’re not even through draft +3. A bunch of these guys are first year pros, and a bunch are tracking well behind our own Tyler Benson, never mind Puljujarvi.

    Seems like 80% of Puljujarvi’s issues may be due to inflated expectations.

    A couple of things.

    Drouin wasn’t in that draft…he was with Mac. It was Dubois but your point is still valid.

    The other forwards that haven’t made the NHL yet, would you say they are good bets to be long term top 6 forwards?

    Expectations are definitely a part of it but there aren’t that many that post a 1/4 point per game and make the jump to, say, 0.8.

  87. Bank Shot says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    – Thanks for this: we’ve seen things from the same lense a lot

    – I’m not a player evaluator, but I’d add that all three of the big trades had a logic that was sound:

    1) RHD that could play top-line costs a lot
    2) 2 picks for a NHL-ready D
    3) Poor playoff performance that exposed weakness for a salary dump

    – The problem though in hindsight (that some here “predicted”), was in the execution

    – The big-picture role is that of GM, but in any organization, you have to rely upon the rest of management for execution

    – That’s not an excuse for Chia: he is gone on merit, as he was in charge, but if he was surrounded by better informed hockey people, they might not have pulled the trigger on Reinhart, got a better player than Strome, and not offered so much term to Lucic, and/or valued Hall more

    All good points.

    And from what we know of Chiarelli’s management style, he’s not a lone wolf operator. In the trade Seguin video for example they had like 10 guys in the room talking it over.

    If they hire another guy like that I think we see the same problems repeat themselves.

  88. jp says:

    knighttown: A couple of things.

    Drouin wasn’t in that draft…he was with Mac. It was Dubois but your point is still valid.

    The other forwards that haven’t made the NHL yet, would you say they are good bets to be long term top 6 forwards?

    Expectations are definitely a part of it but there aren’t that many that post a 1/4 point per game and make the jump to, say, 0.8.

    Yes, Dubois, my bad.

    Certainly not all the other forwards are good bets for eventual top 6, but some of them will definitely get there.

    If Puljujarvi had spent draft +1 and +2 in Finland, gotten to say 40 pts in 50 games then come over this year I don’t think anyone would be much concerned with his performance.

    He seems to have progressed to a PPG player in the AHL, and was dominant in his games there this year from reports. He’s clearly still struggling in the NHL, but he’s scored at top line rates with McDavid so usage is a factor as well.

    I’m not going to look for players that struggled early and then figured it out, but there are examples. Not so many teams would have played him in the NHL as much as it’s Oilers either, so it’s more difficult to find comparables for his situation/performance.

    It’s also important to remember his draft day reports said he would likely take a while to develop, which SwedishPoster has done a good job of reminding us.

    It’s still way too soon to write this player off IMO.

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