Deja Vu

by Lowetide

My friend Louise and I talked for hours about Sam Gagner during the first summer and fall he was an Oiler. I argued he should be sent back to junior, she argued he would overcome obstacles because he was a smart player. Turns out, Gagner stayed and posted 49 points as a rookie phenom. His career hasn’t turned out as planned, but he returns to Edmonton as age 29. Based on early returns, both fans and player are pleased to be reunited.

Oilers played well last night but it was another loss. I expect the next couple of weeks will see some wins and lots of goals from the captain. Can they get a save?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: Cam Talbot’s Oilers career a disappointment save one beautiful spring.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Edmonton’s trade for Sam Gagner is a gamble well worth making.
  • Jonathan Willis: Inside the success of the Bakersfield Condors, and what it means for Edmonton
  • Lowetide: The Oilers sure have a lot of problems, but there is a simple solution.
  • Jonathan Willis: Taking stock of Oilers positives as they enter the final third of a dismal 2018-19 season.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Keith Gretzky on the Oilers trade deadline plan, Andrej Sekera’s return and Jesse Puljujarvi’s season
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ potential roster upheaval might set a record for summer activity
  • Jonathan Willis: Teams should beware of these players at the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Will he stay or will he go? Possible trade destination for Cam Talbot.
  • Lowetide: Comparing Oilers prospects Tyler Benson and Kailer Yamamoto
  • Lowetide: Is Ken Hitchcock helping Jesse Puljujarvi find his way as an NHL player?
  • Lowetide: It’s time for Oilers owner Daryl Katz to stand and deliver a winning organization.
  • Lowetide: Entry deal AHL forwards give the Oilers an excellent trade pool.
  • Lowetide: Finding a path to the playoffs may involve reckless use of future assets by the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL free agency period
  • Corey Pronman: 2019 NHL Draft midseason rankings
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Lowetide: Edmonton’s 2019 entry draft plans may change with new GM but needs are clear
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

OILERS AFTER 58

  • Oilers in 2015: 22-30-6, 50 points; goal differential -28
  • Oilers in 2016: 31-19-8, 70 points; goal differential +13
  • Oilers in 2017: 24-30-4, 52 points; goal differential -33
  • Oilers in 2018: 24-29-5, 53 points; goal differential -25

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 2-6-0, four points; goal differential -17
  • Oilers in February 2017: 4-4-0, eight points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in February 2018: 1-6-1, three points; goal differential -5
  • Oilers in February 2019: 1-5-2, four points; goal differential -12

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: Philadelphia, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-2)
  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Pittsburgh, Carolina, NY Islanders (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, NY Islanders, Anaheim (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Toronto, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-5-2, four points in eight games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Russell were 13-6 in 10:37, 8-5 shots, no goals and 4-1 HDSC. Moving the puck out under control remains an issue, although Nurse’s passing has been more precise in recent days and Russell got a nice shot through on the Nuge goal. The pairing needs more skill and Sekera is close to returning. One hopes he’ll land here. Went 4-2 in 4:00 against Nelson-Lee-Eberle.
  • Klefbom-Larsson went 19-12 in 19:24, 8-7 shots, 0-1 goals and 3-4 HDSC. Klefbom got caught at the opposition blue on the 4-2 goal, Larsson left his feet on the pass across and was DOA. Went 8-4 in 7:31 against Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck.
  • Gravel-Petrovic were 6-9 in 9:01, 2-2 shots and 0-1 goals, 1-1 HDSC. Petrovic didn’t get over to cover on the Filppula tip, it was a nice play but could have been defended. Went 6-4 in 6:58 against Kuhnhackl-Barzal-Bailey. Gravel is criminally underrated on this team imo.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 19 of 23, .826.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian were 11-1 in 9:54, 6-1 shots, 0-1 goals and 4-1 HDSC. McDavid was 14-7 in 13:07 against Pelech-Pulock.
  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Chiasson went 7-5 in 5:13, 3-4 shots, no goals and 2-2 HDSC.
  • Lucic-Brodziak-Kassian were 3-1 in 4:37, 2-0 shots and 1-0 HDSC.
  • Rieder-Nuge-Gagner were 5-2 in 3:30, 2-2 shots, 1-1 goals and 1-1 HDSC. Nuge was 2-5 in 4:39 against Leddy-Boychuk.

The Condors won again last night, 15 in a row and are absolutely on fire in the AHL’s Pacific Division. In the last 10 games, here’s what the scoring totals look like:

  1. Tyler Benson 10, 3-9-12
  2. Joe Gambardella 8, 7-4-11
  3. Josh Currie 10, 7-4-11
  4. Patrick Russell 10, 6-4-10
  5. Caleb Jones 10, 3-6-9
  6. Cooper Marody 10, 3-4-7
  7. William Lagesson 10, 1-6-7
  8. Logan Day 10, 0-6-6
  9. Dave Gust 8, 3-3-6
  10. Kailer Yamamoto 9, 3-2-5

Yamamoto is coming on (3-1-4 in his last four) but the real story is Benson. I expect the Oilers will keep this group together (sounds like Jesse Puljujarvi may be joining them) and a recall might come from the older group (Gambardella, Russell) but we’ll see.

KEITH GRETZKY AS GENERAL MANAGER

I’ve mentioned this a few times and will again this morning. I believe it is very possible Keith Gretzky is winning the general manager’s job at this time. Often when I make a statement like that, the reaction from commenters is that I’m endorsing. I’m not endorsing nor discouraging the idea, merely offering my observations on a team that has been fairly consistent in decisions over many decades.

My guess is the forensic search will include the universe of “known” candidates among people in the front office. You may think that’s everyone but my suspicion is there are all manner of qualified individuals who won’t get an interview.

Kelly McCrimmon checks all the boxes for the Oilers (scouting background, they’ll know him, he has a good reputation and is more media friendly than Peter Chiarelli), and there may be others (Hunter brothers, Ken Holland).

Bob Nicholson may eventually interview most or all, but in the meantime Keith Gretzky is handling things and the team is playing better. If they start winning? This idea will catch fire.

I think Bob Nicholson will find someone he’s comfortable with, someone the people he trusts believe will do a good job. I don’t think much time is going to be spent on building an analytics department or improving pro and European scouting. What about sports science? Sleeping patterns, ideal times to travel, resting overworked skaters and goalies.

I’ll give you 10 names: Kelly McCrimmon, Keith Gretzky, Mark Hunter, Ken Holland, Ron Hextall, Mike Gillis, Doug Armstrong, Dean Lombardi, Mike Futa, Steve Yzerman.

How many of these names are on Bob Nicholson’s list? How many not listed are on the Nicholson list? My belief, based on decades of observation, is the Oilers will hire someone from my list, make a big effort to say the right things, and then have everyone return to their office to go about doing things the same way as before.

What Oilers fans need is a general manager who will hire people smarter than him, give them authority and power, utilize their findings and implement good ideas. A good start would be hiring Tyler Dellow to run the real forensics department, while also creating a budget for staff under the analytics umbrella. Hiring Jeff Krushell for nutrition and sports science wisdom would also indicate progress. Further, making sure good ideas see the light of day and are put into practice is also key.

It can be done. The Boston Bruins are adding analytics staff on the hurry. I don’t believe the Oilers are committed to real change, a true overhaul. I would love to be wrong. We wait.

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tileguy

OriginalPouzar: There isn’t really anything to suggest here that the Oilers are downgrading from Spooner to Gagner.

Gagner has had better NHL production this year and, over the last 3 years, their production in the NHL is almost identical (see Willis: The Athletic).

Given the current coach was not going to play Spooner, much to my chagrin, the trade makes sense and, frankly, given the many the felt Spooner should be bought out – not taking a dead cap hit and acquiring a player with some potential to help, should be considered a win.

The last few series of trades on this does show an organizational fail – more on the coach than the GMs though.

The trade does not make sense. Sam Gagne is not a solution to nothing, well maybe one thing, he might put of few bums in the seats for nostalgic reasons. Why would KG waste his time at this important juncture of the season making a sideways move at best?

HT Joe

OriginalPouzar:
I do appreciate those that “have my back” but lets move on – its leg day!

Fantastic! As one of the site’s all stars, don’t ever change!!

texmex

Wilde,

True. My logic is that when / if Stone is traded to Winnipeg (or other contender), they will most certainly get a 1st round pick back which will be anywhere from 16th-31st overall in a draft which isn’t very deep allegedly.

In taking Lucic, they get a pick anywhere from 1-5 overall. Ottawa take on Lucic’s contract for 3 years up until Ottawa is ready to compete, then buy him out.

The old sign and trade never happens, just a pipe dream.

With that said, if we draft 1-5, keep it, draft and develop and wait another 3 years for the kid to be ready.

Wilde

The Athletic’s Scott Wheeler released his top-62:

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/450909/yegor-afanasyev

– I think he’s the only guy I read that has Podkolzin in the area that I’d have him (15-25)

– The second, third, and fourth clip of Nils Höglander are filthy, nutty fakes and hands (yes I’m going to shill for this player as hard as I did for Farabee)

– I’m also with him on Kokkonen

– I like Bobby Brink, Arthur Kaliyev, Connor McMicheal and Nic Robertson more, and Newhook + the
USNTP players less than he does

Wilde

texmex:
Would anyone here do the following trade or something similar?

To Ottawa
2019 1st Round Pick
Lucic
Bear, Jones or another young D Propect

To Edmonton
Mark Stone (resigned at 8.5)
B level propect or 4th Round pick

Just curious. I think Ottawa desperately wants a high first round pick given the situation they are in, and I wonder if there’s a way to make something happen.

That’d be an absolute steal for us, franchise-changer. I don’t know why OTT does it considering that price should be the price for a signed Stone without Lucic attached

(e: Given that our first isn’t top-2)

texmex

Would anyone here do the following trade or something similar?

To Ottawa
2019 1st Round Pick
Lucic
Bear, Jones or another young D Propect

To Edmonton
Mark Stone (resigned at 8.5)
B level propect or 4th Round pick

Just curious. I think Ottawa desperately wants a high first round pick given the situation they are in, and I wonder if there’s a way to make something happen.

But with the expansion draft………….who knows.

Todd Macallan

OP, your positivity has kept me going from a hockey perspective on many a dark day. Don’t ever change.

jp

Scungilli Slushy: Woodguy I think had some numbers around Samwise suggesting with the right players he’s helpful.

He drove me nuts first go around with his poor D. But he can help at centre with defensive players, I think he’s a better option as RW with skill than anyone else there.

Play him with Rieder at 3 C and maybe Khiaira as a third line that has some O, that sort of idea, or Jesse if he stays up.

Or top 6 RW. He has a lot of skill and plays the boards better than the others with skill, sad but true.

Next season perhaps he could Horcoff a kids 4th line with Benson and Joe or the like, have Cave maybe at 3C if he can show decent 2 way abilities.

I expect Sam to be as motivated as he has ever been. He’s also not 34 like Brodz and far more skilled.

Gagner certainly COULD be useful, it’s how likely that is. And the same can be said for Spooner.

Spooner had the better NHL season in 17-18. Gagner was better in 16-17. It will be interesting to see how they do going forward.

I’m not holding my breath on Gagner being much of a contributor, but it’s definitely possible, and there are holes there for him to fill.

OriginalPouzar

Its fine all – lots of people on the internet don’t like me – I will still get on with my day.

Of course, I’ve had 4 community members reach out to me asking for nutrition and fitness tips and another looking for tips on travel to Sri Lanka so it seems even those narcissistic posts have value for some.

I do appreciate those that “have my back” but lets move on – its leg day!

OriginalPouzar

thehop:
Bag of Pucks,

He’s a narcissist in case you haven’t been following along.

Two years of travelling and workout updates. He and the gentleman packpacker should have a beer sometime, when they aren’t travelling, or working out or updating the internet on their every thought and feeling.

Uh oh – someone on the internet doesn’t like me…….

Given this community does frown upon personal anecdotes…. oh wait, quite the opposite….

OriginalPouzar

Glovjuice: And, also when it is so clear that the team you cheer for is failing process wise over and over and thus bleeding talent/assests with each subsequent move – downgrading in a step-wise fashion. OP, I’m stunned you can’t step back and see it from a little higher level with your brain power level.

There isn’t really anything to suggest here that the Oilers are downgrading from Spooner to Gagner.

Gagner has had better NHL production this year and, over the last 3 years, their production in the NHL is almost identical (see Willis: The Athletic).

Given the current coach was not going to play Spooner, much to my chagrin, the trade makes sense and, frankly, given the many the felt Spooner should be bought out – not taking a dead cap hit and acquiring a player with some potential to help, should be considered a win.

The last few series of trades on this does show an organizational fail – more on the coach than the GMs though.

OriginalPouzar

Sierra: Yup

Explained multiple times.

OriginalPouzar

We may find out today which d-man is going to be re-assigned in order to make room for Sekera – each of Gravel, Manning and Petrovic would need to go on waivers in order to be re-assigned to the Bake.

I do worry that it will be Gravel but he has been playing lately over Manning. Gravel would very likely get claimed which would be too bad given I think we could get a C prospect or mid-low round pick for him. Manning would undoubtedly clear and he’s been the healthy scratch lately. Petrovic has played a bit better lately (still lost his man in front on the NYI tip goal) – he could get claimed given he’s got an expiring contract.

The best situation would be to actually trade Manning out but I don’t imagine a team take him without the Oilers retaining close to 1/2.

As an aside, speaking with Kurt Leavins last night and he believes from his people that Gravel will be re-signed. That would be great – I was always on board with re-signing Gravel as some cover for and competition for the near NHL ready prospects for the 3rd pairing next year (Lagesson, Jones, Bear, Bouchard, Persson).

I thought that ship had sailed given Manning is on the books for next year – I mean where are all those guys going to play – need to add in Samorukov, Lowe has one more year, Day is likely to be signed to an NHL contract, etc.

texmex

London Jon,

Aren’t all 15 teams that miss the playoffs in a lottery spot?

London Jon

Ducks and Devils win and we move into a lottery spot. Ouch.

A little more of this clever covert sliding and we could lock up one of the top 4

thehop

JimmyV1965,

Go Oilers Go

Not sure if that’s needed either but I say it anyway.

YKOil

Evan Rodrigues, a RH winger of interest to me. Will add it to my Kevin Gravel and Nick Jensen pile.

YKOil

How dare he use the word ‘pretentiousness’ in a sentence that still tries to make a point!

The horror!

Sierra

JimmyV1965: That’s pretty harsh. Not sure if it’s needed.

When one refers to someone as “posting nature that reeks of pretentiousness” they are going to be called out about their incessant posting about their wake up time, gym routine, diet, travels, first class air travel and Shanghai La hotel stays. It fits the definition of narcissism perfectly.

JimmyV1965

thehop:
Bag of Pucks,

He’s a narcissist in case you haven’t been following along.

Two years of travelling and workout updates. He and the gentleman packpacker should have a beer sometime, when they aren’t travelling, or working out or updating the internet on their every thought and feeling.

That’s pretty harsh. Not sure if it’s needed.

thehop

Wait a minute…..

Original pouzar is the gentleman packpacker

The original packet is DSF

DSF is….. the Antichrist

It all makes sense now

Scungilli Slushy

At the end of the day Eberle Strome Spooner and Gagner aren’t top 6 or even NHL quality at all. At least Eberle can score. They should have just kept him it seems. Although they have 3 M in cap now. But no 1RW

thehop

Bag of Pucks,

He’s a narcissist in case you haven’t been following along.

Two years of travelling and workout updates. He and the gentleman packpacker should have a beer sometime, when they aren’t travelling, or working out or updating the internet on their every thought and feeling.

Glovjuice

Sierra: Yes that was my point…the acquisition of Samwise

Ok, got it. Misinterpreted.

Scungilli Slushy

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
who,

He posted a faster time than Hall at the Oilers skill competition for fastest skater (in 2014, I believe).If that’s his top gear, I’m fine with him having reached his skating potential.Of course, that’s not to say I don’t think he can get faster, smoother, etc.

Top speed isn’t what I was referring to. Most of the game is stop starts and acceleration. Drai is a heavy legged skater and isn’t heavy enough for his weight to make him that way.

It’s all technical and was in his draft report. He’ll never be graceful but a little quicker and smoother would let him use his brains more and he’d be fresher

Glovjuice

leadfarmer: Except when the entire time you are just trying to get back to the original player you traded

And, also when it is so clear that the team you cheer for is failing process wise over and over and thus bleeding talent/assests with each subsequent move – downgrading in a step-wise fashion. OP, I’m stunned you can’t step back and see it from a little higher level with your brain power level.

Sierra

Glovjuice: No, they are lamenting the process, which, is incompetent. Don’t get caught in the weeds man.

Yes that was my point…the acquisition of Samwise

Sierra

leadfarmer: Weren’t you telling us all along that Spooner was just a coaching decision away from being a top 6 forward, and only the coach is holding him back
Because of all the people you should be upset about this trade
For most of us this is garbage out, stinkier garbage in
But for you this should be Chia level incompetence

Yup

YKOil

OriginalPouzar: I think this is all a function of cummulative minutes played over the course of the season.

I have seen Drai finished long hard shifts very strong countless times – I even remember specifically commenting on it during his breakout season when he was playing with Hall – when they were fire, Drai was finishing long shifts as hard as he started them.

I don’t think his style on its own leads to the inability to finish shifts hard but that he’s played so many minutes and so many hard minutes (i.e. PK minutes) that his body is run down – there are very few McDavid freaks that can continue playing those types of minutes through the entire season.

This is where I sit as well. Too many minutes. Even for McDavid. This idea that we will just play our best forwards 20+ minutes a night (22+ for McDavid and Drai) every night is not sound.

We aren’t making the play-offs so lets get our shit together and try to build players up (speaking specifically of Puljujarvi there).

JimmyV1965

OriginalPouzar: I think this is all a function of cummulative minutes played over the course of the season.

I have seen Drai finished long hard shifts very strong countless times – I even remember specifically commenting on it during his breakout season when he was playing with Hall – when they were fire, Drai was finishing long shifts as hard as he started them.

I don’t think his style on its own leads to the inability to finish shifts hard but that he’s played so many minutes and so many hard minutes (i.e. PK minutes) that his body is run down – there are very few McDavid freaks that can continue playing those types of minutes through the entire season.

Makes sense. I was just speculating really. One thing I think everyone can agree on is that 25-year-old Drai will be much better defensively than 22-year-old Drai. And I think this is mostly what people are concerned about when they discuss his speed.

Bruce McCurdy

OriginalPouzar:

For the current Condors the following players are playing material roles:

AHL Rookies – Lagesson, Marody, Benson (20 years old).

Last nght’s overtime winner: Marody (Benson, Lagesson)

All playing 3v3 overtime. that’s what I call “material roles”.

OriginalPouzar

OmJo: That’s essentially my point, yeah.

But why not? Strome was literally acquired to replace Eberle… All of these assets are linked at the end of the day. The team traded down in every sequence. If the team saw it my way, Strome and Spooner would have both been given shots in the top six. So seeing it the way you suggest has proven detrimental to the team, no?

I think the organization does see it that way… and that is how Jordan Eberle becomes Sam Gagner.

Clearly I also felt that Strome and Spooner should have been given a shot in the top six. My thoughts on Spooner in that regard have been posted repeatedly over the last few months and, with respect to Strome:

https://www.coppernblue.com/2018/7/19/17589192/a-fix-for-the-top-6-youll-be-surprised

At the same time, that has nothing to do with the fact that Strome was traded for Jordan Eberle – it simply had to do with roster construction at the time – sure, if was partially a function of the Stome/Eberle trade but my thoughts on Strome and Spooner would have been exactly the same if they were acquired for draft picks and Eberle was dealt away in an entirely separate transaction.

Strome was traded for Spooner – doesn’t mean Spooner should have been tried at 3C.

rope-a-dope

I agree with Woodguy and others that it was disheartening to hear strong talk of culture and character during the Nicholson avail.

However on the contrary, a couple of things that I hope and believe could drive some realistic change in this team:

1. Nicholson, he made a significant miscalculation in his initial hiring of Chiarelli, it seems he understands this and at least sounded accountable (rather than blaming others). If he makes another mistake this time around, his legacy will be one of absolute failure and squandering the talent of the best hockey player in the game. And at 65, he will not get another shot. Winning a couple of Stanley’s though would be the icing on the cake of a nice career.

2. Darryl Katz, no question that revenues will be going the wrong way soon if they aren’t already. I have stopped watching and basically just check NHL.com. In the past I have been to plenty of games as a single game purchase or in the secondary market, no chance of that now and anecdotally season ticket holders are electing not too renew as this thing simply isn’t worth the money. I suspect that they have viewership metrics that tell them people are stopping watching too. You hear that Edmonton fans are too dedicated thus enabling this poor quality team, however I think this trend is changing. If Katz wants this to remain a lucrative venture, then changes are needed.

OriginalPouzar

JimmyV1965:
I don’t think too-end speed is an issue for Drai. The issue is more likely maintaining that speed for a long shift. And I suspect this will likely have a bigger impact on defence. This is speculative, but the Drai line spends a lot of time in the ozone.They get a lot of ozone starts. By the time he has to rush back to the dzone, he may often be half gassed already.

I think this is all a function of cummulative minutes played over the course of the season.

I have seen Drai finished long hard shifts very strong countless times – I even remember specifically commenting on it during his breakout season when he was playing with Hall – when they were fire, Drai was finishing long shifts as hard as he started them.

I don’t think his style on its own leads to the inability to finish shifts hard but that he’s played so many minutes and so many hard minutes (i.e. PK minutes) that his body is run down – there are very few McDavid freaks that can continue playing those types of minutes through the entire season.

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer: Except when the entire time you are just trying to get back to the original player you traded

The acquisition cost of a player is still meaningless with respect to every path forward the second after the deal is done.

Not to mention, if the Oilers had this year’s version of Jordan Eberle it would be yet another contract where the player is vastly out performing his cap hit.

Eberle is having a bad season. Poor box cars, poor posession numbers, poor goal share numbers, poor relative numbers – $6M.

Darth Tu

OmJo: That’s essentially my point, yeah.

But why not? Strome was literally acquired to replace Eberle… All of these assets are linked at the end of the day. The team traded down in every sequence. If the team saw it my way, Strome and Spooner would have both been given shots in the top six. So seeing it the way you suggest has proven detrimental to the team, no?

I think the organization does see it that way… and that is how Jordan Eberle becomes Sam Gagner.

I eagerly await the acquisition of Eberle and Yak this summer, then Taylor Hall at the end of next season. Finally, the band will all be back together.

OmJo

leadfarmer: Except when the entire time you are just trying to get back to the original player you traded

That’s essentially my point, yeah.

OriginalPouzar: SUre but that’s not really my point.My point is that the acquisition cost of a player should have no bearing on acquired player – his use/deployment or his potential re-trade in the future.

Eberle being the acquisition cost for Strome was totally irrelevant when Strome was traded for Spooner and Strome was irrelevant when Spooner was traded for Gagner.

But why not? Strome was literally acquired to replace Eberle… All of these assets are linked at the end of the day. The team traded down in every sequence. If the team saw it my way, Strome and Spooner would have both been given shots in the top six. So seeing it the way you suggest has proven detrimental to the team, no?

I think the organization does see it that way… and that is how Jordan Eberle becomes Sam Gagner.

JimmyV1965

I don’t think too-end speed is an issue for Drai. The issue is more likely maintaining that speed for a long shift. And I suspect this will likely have a bigger impact on defence. This is speculative, but the Drai line spends a lot of time in the ozone. They get a lot of ozone starts. By the time he has to rush back to the dzone, he may often be half gassed already.

leadfarmer

I think Yamamoto will be a 40-50 point Viktor Arvidsson lite and coach favorite

leadfarmer

OriginalPouzar: SUre but that’s not really my point.My point is that the acquisition cost of a player should have no bearing on acquired player – his use/deployment or his potential re-trade in the future.

Eberle being the acquisition cost for Strome was totally irrelevant when Strome was traded for Spooner and Strome was irrelevant when Spooner was traded for Gagner.

Except when the entire time you are just trying to get back to the original player you traded

OriginalPouzar

OmJo: I don’t think that’s being honest though.

We’ve been looking for a new Eberle ever since we traded Eberle. So Stromeand Spooner are related to Eberle and Gagner. They’ve literally been traded for each other.

SUre but that’s not really my point. My point is that the acquisition cost of a player should have no bearing on acquired player – his use/deployment or his potential re-trade in the future.

Eberle being the acquisition cost for Strome was totally irrelevant when Strome was traded for Spooner and Strome was irrelevant when Spooner was traded for Gagner.

OriginalPouzar

JimmyV1965:
The Norfolk Admirals put together an outstanding 28-game winning streak in 2012. The big-name NHL players who graduated from the team include Tyler Johnson, Andre Palat, Radko Gudas, Alex Killorn, Richard Panik, Mark Barberio and Corey Conacher.

That was a team for the ages. I’m not sure what people will think of the list of NHL players. I think it’s pretty impressive. Others might disagree.

I would hope all would think that’s impressive. I’ve never really heard of one AHL team graduating that many players lets along that many absolute impact players – that may be the best collection of future NHLers on one AHL team of all time.

who

JOFA:
who,

Yes I’m guessing that’s all he does, and MacT & Lowe are ambassadors that just take selfies and greet the fans

I just don’t have the energy to speculate on all the terrible things he’s been doing.
I will rate him on the moves he influences or controls based on his job description. If you have inside info on something else he’s done feel free to share it with the group.

Biggus Dickus

Bag of Pucks: I’m curious as to why you’d assume it’s you?

Short man syndrome.

Tesla's Hair

Deja Vu or VuJa De?

As i look through the HockeyDB redrafts of last 10 years i get the feeling of VuJa De when Oilers mis-selected.

The generational picks are a given yet the other ones are an art.

If we look at the 2019 redraft in 2029 who will be there and in what order? Imagine if a GM can figure out how to redraft before they actually draft.

Dubois was a VuJaDe redraft pick and Columbus GM knew it.

Bag of Pucks

OriginalPouzar: I assume you are talking about me – if so, clearly you haven’t been reading close enough given my posted thoughts on the Manning trade, Ken Hitchcock in general, Spooner’s treatment, the Koskinen signing (parts 1 and 2).

I criticize each and every decision that I believe deserve it.

I’m curious as to why you’d assume it’s you?

JOFA

who,

Yes I’m guessing that’s all he does, and MacT & Lowe are ambassadors that just take selfies and greet the fans?

Glovjuice

OriginalPouzar: Ya, I thought is was a mishandle and a fluke when I was watching it live. Seeing the replay (they don’t show replays in real time on AHL TV very often) I guess he could have done it on purpose although I really doubt it.

Kailer has been playing very well the last 3-4 games – all over the puck, creating chances, creating turnovers – essentially doing everything but finish.The coach has been express they are working on him with his finish – I don’t imagine he goes to that move at that time.

Could be wrong.

Either way, I’m still excited to see the speed and the pull-away speed – something he has been criticized for lacking.

Agreed, if he can display/improve pull away speed he will make it as a top 2.5 line player. Needed badly at this 22 pick.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Ryan,

Interesting idea!

Perhaps as a consolation to the teams that lose position in the lottery. Say one amnesty buyout per position lost.

Ryan

OriginalPouzar: It was two months too early as well.

Also, given the way he’s played since December, its much more than $1M too much, potentially around $3M too much…

This contract has the potential to be the most damaging move by Chia as it relates to the next few years – yes, including the Lucic signing and every thing else.

Maybe the league could add a three pack of amnesty buyouts that could be added as a prize in the draft lottery.

The winning team could choose to use all 3 or trade individual amnesty buyouts for assets.