Space Oddity

As we slide out of winter (someday) and into spring, I’d like to use more of these off days to discuss the future. Today our subject is space, as in ‘roster’ space and what the Oilers might look like this fall.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: Cam Talbot’s Oilers career a disappointment save one beautiful spring.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Edmonton’s trade for Sam Gagner is a gamble well worth making.
  • Jonathan Willis: Inside the success of the Bakersfield Condors, and what it means for Edmonton
  • Lowetide: The Oilers sure have a lot of problems, but there is a simple solution.
  • Jonathan Willis: Taking stock of Oilers positives as they enter the final third of a dismal 2018-19 season.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Keith Gretzky on the Oilers trade deadline plan, Andrej Sekera’s return and Jesse Puljujarvi’s season
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ potential roster upheaval might set a record for summer activity
  • Jonathan Willis: Teams should beware of these players at the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Will he stay or will he go? Possible trade destination for Cam Talbot.
  • Lowetide: Comparing Oilers prospects Tyler Benson and Kailer Yamamoto
  • Lowetide: Is Ken Hitchcock helping Jesse Puljujarvi find his way as an NHL player?
  • Lowetide: It’s time for Oilers owner Daryl Katz to stand and deliver a winning organization.
  • Lowetide: Entry deal AHL forwards give the Oilers an excellent trade pool.
  • Lowetide: Finding a path to the playoffs may involve reckless use of future assets by the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL free agency period
  • Corey Pronman: 2019 NHL Draft midseason rankings
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Lowetide: Edmonton’s 2019 entry draft plans may change with new GM but needs are clear
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

THE 50-MAN

  1. G Mikko Koskinen. $4.5 million for three seasons beginning 2019-20, he’s 33, 2.90 and .905 while winning 14 games. I don’t think he’ll be the team’s starter all three years but also don’t believe they’ll have to buy him out. A guess, and it would help if he could post a string of good games (he’s been terrible since the contract) but smart goalie people believe he can play at this level.
  2. G Anthony Stolarz. $761,250 this season and then an RFA. 12, 3.33 .902. We don’t know much about him aside from the fact he’s another giant who has had injury issues. I’m anxious to see him play.
  3. G Shane Starrett. $817,500 this season and then an RFA. This is a player to watch, his impressive run with the Condors (27, 2.37, .916) may mean he’s in the mix this fall. More likely he’s back in Bakersfield but his emergence has been a welcome wrinkle in a trying season.
  4. G Dylan Wells. $745,000 this season, the first year of his entry deal. 9, 3.01, .902. He has also played in Wichita (15, 2.86 .914) and would have to be ranked ahead of Skinner based on performance. Miles to go.
  5. G Stuart Skinner. $784,166 this season, the first year of his entry deal. 5, 2.78 and .890 in Bakersfield, he’s 30, 3.20 and .906 in Wichita. He is still a valuable prospect, but Wells has a lead based purely on usage and math.
  6. LD Oscar Klefbom. $4.167 million through summer 2023. Injured during important portions of the season, his value cannot be denied. He’s 37, 3-14-17 this year. A big part of the current and future team.
  7. LD Darnell Nurse. $3.2 million this and next season, he is 58, 7-21-28 in what is his best offensive season. Struggled much of the season defensively, I’m hopeful the Nurse-Russell pairing is uncoupled in the coming days. I like him as a player.
  8. LD Andrej Sekera. $5.5 million this year and through 2021 summer. If he can play at previous levels, Edmonton will have made an impressive deadline pickup.
  9. LD Brandon Manning. $2.25 million this year and next. Well, I’m not going to lie to you this was an ill-advised acquisition. The cap torment alone should have sent up warning signs. Yeah, I got nothing.
  10. LD Caleb Jones. $720,000 this and next season. Before the Manning pickup, I would have suggested Jones was a strong candidate for full-time employment in the NHL in 2019-20. He’s ready or close. Currently 31, 5-16-21 in the AHL after going 17, 1-5-6 early in the year with the Oilers.
  11. LD William Lagesson. $741,666 this season and next, he has emerged as a quality AHL defenseman in his first season at that level. There is a bit of a traffic jam at LHD, but this young player looks close to NHL-ready. He’s 48, 4-14-18 for Bakersfield, showing more offense than his SHL boxcars implied.
  12. LD Keegan Lowe. $675,000 this and next season. A year ago he was the best defenseman on the Condors, but this season has been more of a secondary, mentoring role.
  13. LD Dmitri Samorukov. His entry level deal starts this fall ($855,833) and he has improved defensively this winter. Edmonton might have another bona fide LH blue prospect here.
  14. RD Adam Larsson. $4.166 million this season and two more after. He’s 58, 2-13-15 and the world’s most unassuming filthy Swedish ruffian defenseman. Pure pleasure to watch him mangle humanity on the lowdown. He can also defend.
  15. LD Kris Russell. $4 million this and two more seasons. He’s 48, 2-8-10 and playing too far up the lineup (not his fault), but that could change with Sekera’s activation. I think he’ll be a candidate for trade this summer, possibly earlier, and would have value on the market.
  16. RD Matt Benning. $1.9 million this and next season. He’s 46, 2-8-10 and I thought he was gone the day Alex Petrovic was acquired. Now? Not as certain. He would be excellent Bouchard-Bear-Persson insurance next year.
  17. RD Joel Persson. $1 million next year and then RFA. Puck mover (42, 5-20-25) from the SHL, he is going to get every chance to make the NHL team this fall.
  18. RD Ethan Bear. $720,000 this and next year. He is 39, 2-18-20 despite some injuries this season. I think there’s a sense he is falling behind Jones and Lagesson, important to remember prospects don’t develop in a straight line. A year ago, it was Bear leading the parade.
  19. RD Evan Bouchard. $925,000 entry deal kicks in this fall. It’s only a matter of time, and I do think he could win an NHL job in training camp, but the AHL option should be strongly considered. He’s going to post offense in the NHL, will he play top-4 minutes?
  20. RD Ryan Mantha. $870,000 next season if he plays.
  21. LC Connor McDavid. $12.5 million through 2026, which might be the saddest summer since 2006 around here if this organization can’t turn it around. He’s 57, 31-52-83 this season, an absolute joy to behold.
  22. LC Leon Draisaitl. $8.5 million through 2025 summer. A splendid offensive player, his current numbers (58, 35-34-69) have him on a trajectory that may seem him land among the league’s top goal-scorers by season’s end.
  23. LC Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. $6 million this and two seasons after. Nuge is 58, 18-35-53 in a season that might be his most complete.
  24. RC Kyle Brodziak. $1.15 million this and next season. He’s 53, 4-3-7 this season and has trouble with foot speed. I thought it was a good signing, so it’s difficult to lay blame. That said, it hasn’t worked out.
  25. LC Colby Cave. $675,000 this and next season. I think he’s shown well in a small sample size and further expect he’s going to be here in the fall. He’s 29, 1-4-5 with Boston and Edmonton this season.
  26. RC Josh Currie. $687,500 this and next season. Currie has earned his way up from an AHL-only deal to the NHL contract. He’s 49, 24-13-37 for Bakersfield, if he’s ever going to get a call to the NHL, it might be now.
  27. RC Tyler Vesel. $735,000 this year and then RFA. He has been placed in a secondary offensive role for much of the season (42, 4-9-13) but does have checking ability.
  28. RC Cameron Hebig. $759,166 this and next season. Started like a house on fire but got bumped off the scoring line and has faded. Is 47, 10-12-22 for the campaign.
  29. LC Colin Larkin. $690,000 and then RFA. His offense (16, 0-2-2 in Bakersfield and 30, 1-8-9 in Wichita) is shy, so he’s vulnerable in terms of another NHL contract.
  30. LW Milan Lucic. $6 million through 2023 summer. He’s 58, 5-9-14 and about the same spot as Al Secord in 1988-89.
  31. LW Tobias Rieder. $2 million this season then RFA. He’s 44, 0-10-10 and has been a wild disappointment. I bet they can get something for him at the deadline, but he was supposed to be so much more.
  32. LW Jujhar Khaira. $675,000 this season then RFA. He’s 53, 3-13-16 and sure to go past 20 points for the second year in a row. I like him for next year’s team, question is where does he play. Ideally bottom-six and PK.
  33. LW Tyler Benson. $808,333 this and the next two seasons. He’s 49, 8-35-43 and the best number there is games played. He’s pushing now, posting crooked numbers most every night. They’ll keep him on the farm as long as they can, but the depth chart above isn’t strong.
  34. LW Joe Gambardella. $725,000 this year then RFA. He’s 40, 23-15-38 in Bakersfield and I’ve tracked him as a modern Pisani, hoping his offense will come alive (and it has). We could see him in the NHL next season, it’s getting late for him (25).
  35. LW Nolan Vesey. $817,500 this and next season. Edmonton gave up a conditional seventh-round pick for Vesey. He’s 30, 3-6-9 in Wichita and had one point in six AHL games.
  36. LW Ostap Safin. $770,833 entry deal starts in the fall. Injuries are a concern, he has played in just 10 QMJHL (2-7-9) this year. Is it possible they keep him in junior another year? He’s physically ready.
  37. RW Sam Gagner. $3.15 million this and next season. He’s 8, 1-2-3 with Vancouver and Edmonton this season. I think he’s going to get a full push this and next season, including power-play time. Can he post 10 points in the last 24 games? Only seven current roster forwards have more.
  38. RW Zack Kassian. $1.95 million this and next season. He’s 55, 8-7-15 this year, including a recent offensive flurry that has him playing on the No. 1 line with McDavid. Might be trade deadline asset but more likely back in the fall.
  39. RW Jesse Puljujarvi. $925,000 this year then RFA. He’s 46, 4-5-9 and two veteran coaches have made the call. He’s averaging 10 goals per 82 NHL games, which is in the range of Kassian for his career. Sekera will be activated before Tuesday’s game, Puljujarvi could get sent out today. It’s possible he has played his final game with the organization.
  40. RW Ty Rattie. $800,000 this year then RFA. He’s 37, 4-6-10 this year, looks like he didn’t take advantage of an enormous opportunity at the start of the year. Injury contributed, and he has been spending some time with 97 lately.
  41. RW Cooper Marody. $925,000 this year and the two years after. He’s 39, 12-27-39 in Bakersfield and 6, 0-0-0 in Edmonton this season. I have put him at RW because Hitch moved him there during his NHL time, perhaps that’s where he’ll play as an NHLer. Strong candidate for NHL play next year.
  42. RW Kailer Yamamoto. $894,166 this year and the two years after. He’s 20, 7-6-13 in the AHL, 17, 1-1-2 in the NHL. With Edmonton’s new “slow-play everything” policy, we might not see him much next season in Edmonton.
  43. RW Kirill Maksimov. $770,833 entry deal starts in the fall. He’s 51, 32-35-67 in the OHL this year. Edmonton badly needs a sniper, he should get a push next year in Bakersfield.

I have not included RFA Robin Norell and all of the UFA’s (Alex Chiasson, Alex Petrovic, Kevin Gravel). Edmonton also has some prospects (Ryan McLeod, Filip Berglund, Hayden Hawkey and Vincent Desharnais) they may want to sign.

EARLY PROJECTION 2019-20 LINEUP

The new general manager is going to have to make a long list of possible wingers to acquire. High end, midrange and fringe, maybe grab one from all three piles. Honestly, Khaira and Gagner are the only sure things I see to return aside from the centers three.

THIS WEEK

Andrej Sekera was recalled yesterday, the team will have to move someone out by tomorrow. I expect Jesse Puljujarvi gets sent to Bakersfield, but we could see a trade and waivers is possible.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning (I’m on the round table at 9) begins at 10, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Ryan Holt, Bakersfield Condors PBP. We are talking historic here, amazing run by the Condors (15 games). Where do they go from here?
  • Andrew Peard, Oil Kings PBP. The Oil Kings are also enjoying a tremendous run that has them atop the Central. The OK play this afternoon, we’ll tee up the game.
  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260. Sekera back, Puljujarvi could be heading to the farm, has he played his final game as an Oiler?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. Bruce McCurdy says:

    digger50:
    Anybody key follow the Islanders closely? What are some thoughts on how they turned around so quickly? ( I did miss last game)

    Had a big reply for this query earlier, then my tablet burped & swallowed the whole thing.

    Short version:

    GF | GA /GP

    2017-18: 3.18 | 3.57
    2018-19: 2.86 | 2.29

    GF is down by a full 10%, but GA by a stunning 36%. Literally, from last to first, but even more extreme than that. Last year’s Islanders gave up more goals than any NhL team in 11 years; this year’s club has allowed 15 goals fewer than the #2 club & 25 fewer than #4.

    By eye they were throttling the Oilers at every turn on Saturday, with the Oil mustering one EV goal on an improbable deflection of a shot through traffic.

    Credit due to Barry Trotz who is a helluva coach, & to Lou Lamoriello who got broadly pilloried for spending a bunch of cap space on bottom six types like Matt Martin, Leo Komarov, & Valtteri Filppula, but who has both a first place team & $10 million in cap space, so who am I to question him?

    Too bad Barry & Lou didn’t come on the market in the summer of 2015, eh. Oilers raided the top of the discard pile at that time but the quality wasn’t there.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog:
    Batshit crazy to suggest Sekera’s return means a door is possibly open to trade Nurse.

    I believe its not just his return but his return close to a form that we saw from him pre-injuries – it remains to be seen if he can get back there but he’s trending well so far in the tests he’s had.

    The premise would be the left side would have:

    Klef
    Sekera (productive)
    Russell

    Jones
    Lagesson
    Samorukov
    Etc.

    Nurse wouldn’t be given away but used in connection with the acquisition of a true 2RD – a hole which has been the largest on the team for years and remains that way (with Bouchard likely 2-3 years away from filling it – assuming he will).

    I am a big Nurse fans and am remiss to trade this guy away – he is tireless out there and a minute muncher. Yes, he has his defensive deficiencies, however, he is still not even close to his prime as far as the defensive game goes – that’s a mid-late 20s peak (different than offensive peak).

    At the same time, we know Nurse is going to be very expensive after next year – his third contract is going to be a doozy and its not going to be an easy negotiation.

    Of course, the lower risk move is to divest of Russell – that will open up cap space but won’t provide the team with a 2RD.

    To be clear, I am only in favor of the Nurse trade if it really is the proper value in return (and Sekera has proven to be darn close to the 2016/17 player).

  3. YKOil says:

    texmex:
    Healthy scratch the kid instead. Development 101.

    John Shannon
    @JSportsnet
    ·
    25m
    Oilers’ management re-iterates, that at this time, Jesse Puljujarvi will not be going to AHL Bakersfield.

    F*(king Oilers

  4. Todd Macallan says:

    YKOil,

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: It is silly to worry about whether Stolarz is a UFA or RFA.It is always a buyer’s market for backup goaltenders or such marginal quality.Ideally, the Oilers should be looking for a more proven high end backup for Koskinen.

    Personally, I think they should be able to re-sign him prior to him becoming a free agent in any event – we are talking about six figures here.

    Yes, marginal to this point, however, I think he has the ability to be a plus back-up – he’s got the pedigree and, when healthy, has had success. Injuries have been his issue.

    Of course, I’d like to see him play some games as an Oiler but, at this point, I would like to keep him (cheap) and have him battle for the back-up job next year with a more experienced and proven back-up to be brought in for the competition.

  6. YKOil says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    To be clear, I am only in favor of the Nurse trade if it really is the proper value in return (and Sekera has proven to be darn close to the 2016/17 player).

    Pretty much exactly as I laid it out.

  7. Jethro Tull says:

    texmex:
    Healthy scratch the kid instead. Development 101.

    John Shannon
    @JSportsnet
    ·
    25m
    Oilers’ management re-iterates, that at this time, Jesse Puljujarvi will not be going to AHL Bakersfield.

    It’s in the same state, but not, repeat, NOT Bakersfield.

  8. Oddspell says:

    JimmyV1965: I think many teams would be interested in Lucic at $1.5-$2 mill.

    But this isn’t possible. Only 50% of a player’s cap hit can be retained, which is $3 mil in Lucic’s case.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    McNuge93: OP, I’m thinking we need a more experienced backup who could play 20 or 25 games and could afford maybe $1.5 mil. Something like McIlhenny was last year.

    And re the questions on goalie coaching that’s part of the frustration with this team. It’s hard to identify the problems because everything is so bad. Is goaltending really that bad or is it partly caused by our bad defence. Oh hell…I guess the answer is everything is freaking bad except three forwards and a D or 2.

    I agree – I have posted many times that we need a more established back-up with recent starter’s experience as all we really know about Koskinen is that he will cost $4.5M per year for three and that, overall, his NHL performance has been, well, not good enough.

    Last year I suggested Lehner or Halak would have been better options than the $2.5M risk on Mikko – I though Mikko was proving me wrong but then his 10 game heater ended and he hasn’t had an above-average game since – over 2 months.

    Anyways, Stolarz should come in super cheap (6 figures) and I think he can battle with Starrett and the more established guy they do bring in – if they do, there is not much cap availability.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Professor Q,

    I don’t disagree!

    Just polishing the crystal ball, looking ahead to as you said staggered graduations.Can’t have too many quality prospects, but ideally they don’t all arrive at the same time.

    But, at the risk of repeating myself, if Safin stays in the Q next year:
    A) does his ELC slide for the year, and
    B) is he precluded from playing in the AHL until his juniour team’s season is finished?

    A) No

    B) Yes

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    HT Joe: Question for the group… if the Oilers draft a top 3 pick and put them right into the NHL, their cap hit is effectively $3.2M right?Can the Oilers even accomodate that kind of cap hit, or will the Oilers have to bury a super prospect like Hughes back in junior just because of cap mismanagement?

    No, their cap hit will be $925K (unless the ELC max goes up for next year but I don’t think it does).

    Of course, a top 3 pick will have performance bonuses that provide the potential to go up to a total of $3.775M but those do not need to be taken in to account during next season and the CBA provides a cushion to go over the cap due to performance bonuses (I believe 7.5%) so we’d be fine.

    The key to remember is that many (most) of the performance bonuses are unattainable. Some of the individual A bonuses are attainable (20G, 30G, etc.) but they are maxed at just over $800K.

    The schedule B bonuses are largely unattainable – they are things like placing high in trophy voting, top 10 in league scoring, etc. – these can add up to close to $1.775M.

    At the end of the day, if the player is vesting material bonuses, in particular Sched B bonuses, the Oilers will gladly deal with the cap implications (which could provide a penalty the following season – if the bonuses take the team over the cap in the year they are earned).

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: He should be boarding a plane with Puljujarvi. So half the right move.

    Which is better than what they usually do.

    I assume that Puljujarvi will get assigned when Benning is activated which I still believe will be prior to tomorrow night’s game (just speculating though).

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    HT Joe,

    If said super prospect hits all his bonuses (highly unlikely) and that puts the team over the cap, the CBA allows that amount to be applied the following season as a penalty.In that case, it’s a small price to pay for elite level production from a cost and contract controlled 18 year old.

    Correct and the key, with respect to the original question as it relates to cap-planning for next year, is that that, no we don’t need to worry about the potential bonuses (as long as the potential, if they all vest, doesn’t take the projected cap hit over 7.5% of the cap).

  14. OmJo says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OmJo,

    But wait!There’s more!Don’t forget we drafted Ebs off the Pronger trade, who was in fact acquired with the eventual spoils of the Messier trade.So, in essence, we traded Messier for the second coming of Gagner.

    The trade is one for one.

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q: Yes, he would be allowed to still have his contract slide as he doesn’t turn 20 until February 2020. CapFriendly has him as Slide Eligible but I’m not sure if that’s only for this year.

    He does have to wait until Halifax’s season is over to play in the AHL, if he starts in the Q, as far as my knowledge is (I’m assuming you’re also wondering if it’s different due to his European drafted status?). However, I guess he could play a few games first and then be sent back down to the Q.

    Safin is already 20 – he turned 20 last week. His contract won’t slide next year.

    Halifax is hosting the Memorial Cup next year so, no, he won’t be able to play in the AHL if he’s assigned to Halifax as an over-ager.

  16. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OmJo,

    That wasn’t what you said in the post I replied to.

    OmJo:
    The Oilers kinda traded Yakupov and Eberle for Russell (ie Cap Space), Gagner, Pochiro, and Skinner.

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    With Spooner called up to the Canucks today, I look forward to the update on each point he produces, ala Barzal, DeBrincat, Pitlick, etc.

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q: Except, it would. He is not 20 until 11 February 2020.

    It wouldn’t slide only if he turned 20 between September 15th and December 31st 2019.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/slides/

    If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19. An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide.

    The analysis is correct but you have a wrong fact – he is already 20 – he turned 20 on February 11.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Would you rather see him in the Q or playing in Bakersfield next year, given his extensive time recovering from injury this year?

    I think I posted about this earlier but, on the assumption that he gets a good month of regular season time in with Halifax plus playoffs (and Halifax will be playing in the M. Cup as they host), I would probably like him in the AHL.

    The last account I read (beat reporter for the Sea Dogs) was that he should be back “well before” the playoffs – this account was a while ago, at least a month if not longer.

    I’m not sure there is generally much value in over-agers in the CHL but even moreso in the Q.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex:
    Looks like Spooner gets the fourth line treatment in Vancouver too. Maybe not

    Jeff Paterson
    @patersonjeff
    ·
    2m
    newcomer Spooner gets spot with Pettersson/Boeser & a role on PP2 in his first practice with #Canucks

    What’s the premise there – does Spooner have a history of producing in the top 6?

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: Unless he gets physically stronger,and steadier on his skates to compete for pucks at the NHL level, Yamamoto won’t be a viable option on a team with a full roster of players that are true NHLers.

    Its a good thing that those that are 20 years old generally do get physically stronger and steadier on their skates.

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oddspell:
    JimmyV1965,

    I agree about a good GM trading Lucic. Pretty sure only up to $3mil can be retained on Looch’s cap hit though. What are the chances we can trade Looch with salary retained to match a guy like Gaborik?

    I think his premise is that we retain the max $3M in the trade but the acquiring team also retains the max 50%, being $1.5M in the subsequent trade.

    I’m quite confident that the pizza can be split like this.

  23. JimmyV1965 says:

    Oddspell: But this isn’t possible. Only 50% of a player’s cap hit can be retained, which is $3 mil in Lucic’s case.

    I said this in relation to a three-way trade, with the Oil retaining salary and a middleman team retaining salary. I think it’s very doable.

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex:
    Healthy scratch the kid instead. Development 101.

    John Shannon
    @JSportsnet
    ·
    25m
    Oilers’ management re-iterates, that at this time, Jesse Puljujarvi will not be going to AHL Bakersfield.

    This is certainly disappointing news – the only reason I can fathom is the agent’s comments which should be a non-factor – the agent can go eff himself – he doesn’t run the team.

  25. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    With Spooner called up to the Canucks today, I look forward to the update on each point he produces, ala Barzal, DeBrincat, Pitlick, etc.

    Don’t forget the Drake. LOL

  26. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Re: Not sending JP Down

    Management incompetence comes to mind as a reason for me……unless someone
    can make management’s case for JP developing in an NHL press box.

  27. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    McSorley33,

    Health and conditioning.

    Gotta transition from pizza to vegetables (as in, kettle popped corn) slowly, so as to not shock the system.

  28. OmJo says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OmJo,

    That wasn’t what you said in the post I replied to.

    I meant Messier for Gagner 2.0

  29. Ribs says:

    Brennan Klak

    @nhlupdate
    Following Following @nhlupdate
    More
    #Oilers are placing Jujhar Khaira and Jesse Puljujarvi on IR.

    This is in order to activate Sekera off LTIR, although this is the first we’re hearing that Puljujarvi is banged up as well.

    Josh Currie has been called up from Bakersfield.

    3:01 PM – 18 Feb 2019

    Umm… What?

  30. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OmJo,

    I thought we were both being facetious.

  31. Oddspell says:

    JimmyV1965: I said this in relation to a three-way trade, with the Oil retaining salary and a middleman team retaining salary. I think it’s very doable.

    I’m not a lawyer of any sort, but the wording from the CBA implies otherwise to me:

    For the remaining term of Traded Player’s SPC, the Club from
    which the Player is Traded may agree to retain no more than fifty
    (50) percent of the Averaged Amount of such SPC’s remaining
    term

    SPC being Standard Player Contract. So it seems as though the 50% retainment limit applies to the amount outlined by the contract, not the amount impacting the teams salary cap. If this is the case, that means Lucic can not have more than 50% ($3 million) retained on his contract at any point.

  32. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Andy Dufresne: Woodg

    Be the best at what you do. For the Oilers it’s draft position excellence. They have the best record in the last 10 years in the entire league.

    Eat that fLames.

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    Puljujarvi has been placed on IR according to John Shannon.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Khaira and JP on IR

    Josh Currie called up.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    Good on Josh Currie – started with an AHL only deal and in the ECHL – earned himself and NHL deal, worked up to the AHL and has been a strong contributor. Has 15G in the last 15 games (or something similar to that).

    Good on the organization for giving him a shot and for keeping the younger more material prospects in the AHL along with the important “glue pieces” like Russell and Joe G.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    This will be a solid hit to the Condors but it should allow Yamamoto to move up and play with Benson and Marody and that is going to be a very fun line to watch.

    Will hurt the depth of the Condors though.

  37. Oddspell says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Puljujarvi has been placed on IR according to John Shannon.

    …Why did we send Manning down?

    With the PJ and Khaira transactions, there are enough roster spots to bring in both Currie and Sekera.

    Not that I’m overly upset, but I find it curious.

    Incoming trade?

  38. russ99 says:

    “IR” what a joke.

    If the clowns running the team get us hit with cap circumvention penalties it will just add to a string of bad moves and inept management.

  39. dessert1111 says:

    Josh Currie’s pro career has looked a lot like Mark Arcobello’s so far.

    Not sure if he’s as skilled as Arco but he might be.

    If Arco had either speed or size I think he would’ve stuck around longer, I had a lot of time for him.

  40. OmJo says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OmJo,

    I thought we were both being facetious.

    We were lol

  41. Jethro Tull says:

    Jadies and Mentalmen, your Edmonton Oy-Vehs.

  42. OilClog says:

    OriginalPouzar: I believe its not just his return but his return close to a form that we saw from him pre-injuries – it remains to be seen if he can get back there but he’s trending well so far in the tests he’s had.

    The premise would be the left side would have:

    Klef
    Sekera (productive)
    Russell

    Jones
    Lagesson
    Samorukov
    Etc.

    Nurse wouldn’t be given away but used in connection with the acquisition of a true 2RD – a hole which has been the largest on the team for years and remains that way (with Bouchard likely 2-3 years away from filling it – assuming he will).

    I am a big Nurse fans and am remiss to trade this guy away – he is tireless out there and a minute muncher.Yes, he has his defensive deficiencies, however, he is still not even close to his prime as far as the defensive game goes – that’s a mid-late 20s peak (different than offensive peak).

    At the same time, we know Nurse is going to be very expensive after next year – his third contract is going to be a doozy and its not going to be an easy negotiation.

    Of course, the lower risk move is to divest of Russell – that will open up cap space but won’t provide the team with a 2RD.

    To be clear, I am only in favor of the Nurse trade if it really is the proper value in return (and Sekera has proven to be darn close to the 2016/17 player).

    It may be easy negotiations, we truly don’t know. Assuming is death.

    Sekera hasn’t played one shift of NHL hockey this season nor effectively in 2 years, looking good in the AHL on a team that is zooming is fancy makeup. Assuming is death.

    Awfully large assumption that If Nurse is moved it’s to fill in the RD hole, fantasy levels.

    Sekera post injury as 2LD and Russell as 3LD is not moving this club closer to a championship.

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    The Canucks has assigned one of their depth d-men to Utica and have only 6 d-men – is there a chance they might claim Brandon Manning? There can’t be, can there?

  44. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Puljujarvi has been placed on IR according to John Shannon.

    Is this for real. Does he have an injury or an end around till a trade happens?

  45. Oddspell says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The Canucks has assigned one of their depth d-men to Utica and have only 6 d-men – is there a chance they might claim Brandon Manning?There can’t be, can there?

    Might be an Edler return.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov’s OT goal – can any Oiler fan not smile when they see this?

    https://twitter.com/EDMFutureWatch/status/1097620870917488640

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    “Lower Body Injury” for Jesse as per Rishaug.

  48. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Alpine: How would Huberdeau not help in outscoring? The point of getting a winger for those guys is to presumably increase Goals For.

    You don’t have to be a defensive stalwart to improve goal share. Huberdeau is like 49.8 GF% over his whole career anyways. I’d presume the Panthers haven’t matched that when he’s off the ice.

    I think you’re underestimating the ease of moving Lucic. Taking back Reimer’s deal is arguably close to a blue sky scenario when it comes to what sort of money you’d have to take back to dump Lucic.

    To me Connor and Leon are not defensively focused, may never be. Connor should be crushing it but he isn’t because of his help.
    He’s better than what they have, but I wouldn’t pay top end for him, he’s not a top end forward.

    Barkov on the other hand I’d pay for.

  49. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Credit due to Barry Trotz who is a helluva coach, & to Lou Lamoriello who got broadly pilloried for spending a bunch of cap space on bottom six types like Matt Martin, Leo Komarov, & Valtteri Filppula, but who has both a first place team & $10 million in cap space, so who am I to question him?

    Too bad Barry & Lou didn’t come on the market in the summer of 2015, eh. Oilers raided the top of the discard pile at that time but the quality wasn’t there.

    Truth.

    Those bottom half forwards are important and should also be easy to get. The Oilers clearly do not get what makes hockey players other than elites effective.

  50. Sierra says:

    Jethro Tull: So JP and his agent are pissed off at him not getting NHL minutes and the answer would be to low ball him on a contract in order to banish him as far away from the organization as possible? Pete, is this you?

    The Oilers are in the same position as they were with Yak. Hoping JP will morph into the power forward they drafted him to be. If only they let him be the skill player he was…..

    To be clear, I’m not advocating sending JP to Europe, but rather trying to foster a discussion. If he truly isn’t fitting in is there benefit to sending him to Europe where he will, presumably, fit in instead of sending him to rural California while he matures and grows into his frame? Or instead of selling low on him in a trade.

  51. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    “Lower Body Injury” for Jesse as per Rishaug.

    Inglewood Jack.

  52. pts2pndr says:

    Bag of Pucks: Yes, because it solves two problems. Gets rid of an albatross contract AND enables you to sign a player like Stone, Duchene, Kapenen or Johnson.

    JP was a potential franchise player. The lottery tickets don’t always pay out. And McDavid needs experienced help yesterday.

    #ChessNotCheckers

    Seems signed Lucic thinking somewhat the same thing. That is a very big pay. How did that work out for Ottawa getting Duschene. Bigger pay for a few more years. I guess you could always blame Chiarelli. I think it is throwing good money after bad. I would suggest GM ask him to wave no trade clause. If he refuses press box him and make sure he makes every practice etc. Advise him office is open anytime you want to wave the no trade clause. Team comes first!

  53. Jethro Tull says:

    Sierra: To be clear, I’m not advocating sending JP to Europe, but rather trying to foster a discussion. If he truly isn’t fitting in is there benefit to sending him to Europe where he will, presumably, fit in instead of sending him to rural California while he matures and grows into his frame? Or instead of selling low on him in a trade.

    But at some point, he has to come back to N.A. The Bake is where he needs to be if he is to be an NHL player. I think he’ll end up in the KHL off our books and maybe back in a few years for a playoff team.

  54. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    A lot of JP’s positional problems seem attributable to the smaller ice, not sure if sending him to Europe is the best plan.

    Maybe Bakersfield, has anyone mentioned that?

  55. Scungilli Slushy says:

    just sayin:
    ArmchairGM,

    Agreed. Don’t want to be talking about how we should have kept Jack Hughes five years after the trade. Taylor Hall version 2.0.

    I only trade the first if it’s out of sure fire elite territory. Trading Highes or Kakko is the type of thing that gets the Oilers where they are.

    Hockey is a star driven sport, and stars only come via the draft these days. The best players dominate the game, not alone, but if properly supported. It’s the edge that gets a team over.

    There are only a few players each draft like that, so after 3-5 depending on the year, it makes more sense to make a deal of it’s a good one. IF you can assess the talent correctly which the Oilers currently can’t.

    I can’t imagine they trade for Palmieri as in WGs good idea because he’s not big enough. They don’t mind rolling on little guys like Rattie or Spooner which cost little or help relieving a perceived problem (like Strome sawing off with his third line, that jerk, wouldn’t score 20 goals like he should) but a hockey trade for a small forward, no.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    Well, its a good think the Oilers did end up trading Talbot and opening up cap space – I didn’t think they’d need the cap space this year due to not being “buyers”, however, with Reggie being activated and the LTIR relief going away and having Benning, Puljujarvi and Khaira all on IR, we essentially have a 26 man roster for the purposes of the cap and are just barely under right now – will have a bit of cushion once Manning is sent down (if the Canucks don’t claim him…..).

  57. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OilClog: Sekera hasn’t played one shift of NHL hockey this season nor effectively in 2 years, looking good in the AHL on a team that is zooming is fancy makeup. Assuming is death.

    Even if he plays well enough there is a very good chance he misses a fair few games each season like Klef tends to. The league is too tight to not have adequate cover for the 5-10 games they likely will miss. Kelf’s 2nd high games played in a season is 66.

  58. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Leavins saying that he hears Hitch encouraged Pete to get Manning, and that his influence is over, Gretzky calling shots.

    This seems so much to me like Hitch Pete and those with that mindset have some kind of compensation syndrome, their obsession with preferably big, but always tough players.

    It’s like they need their posse to be full of big tough guys so they feel tough, or perhaps safe?

    How else can you explain two smart experienced hockey guys passing over higher skill for lesser or NHL incompetent players, repeatedly?

  59. JimmyV1965 says:

    Oddspell: I’m not a lawyer of any sort, but the wording from the CBA implies otherwise to me:

    SPC being Standard Player Contract. So it seems as though the 50% retainment limit applies to the amount outlined by the contract, not the amount impacting the teams salary cap. If this is the case, that means Lucic can not have more than 50% ($3 million) retained on his contract at any point.

    I was under the impression that we retain 50%, which is $3 mill. Team B retains 50% of the remaining $3 mill, which is $1.5 mill. Team C pays the remaining 50%. This isn’t contrary to the wording you cited. Although it’s a three-way deal, there are two separate transactions. I may be wrong. I certainly hope not.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oddspell: I’m not a lawyer of any sort, but the wording from the CBA implies otherwise to me:

    SPC being Standard Player Contract. So it seems as though the 50% retainment limit applies to the amount outlined by the contract, not the amount impacting the teams salary cap. If this is the case, that means Lucic can not have more than 50% ($3 million) retained on his contract at any point.

    Section 50.5(e)(C)(5) expressly allows for multiple Retained Salary Transactions with respect to a single contract.

    Its somewhat ambiguous, however, the provision you refer to references the “remaining term” and the 50% limit – I believe the proper interpretation is that, in a subsequent retained salary transaction for the one contract, the disposing team can retain up to 50% of the 50% they are on the hook for.

  61. JimmyV1965 says:

    Jethro Tull: But at some point, he has to come back to N.A. The Bake is where he needs to be if he is to be an NHL player. I think he’ll end up in the KHL off our books and maybe back in a few years for a playoff team.

    After this year, JP has to pass through waivers. He will be claimed for sure.

  62. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Old habits die hard… they were successful with those ideas so they cling onto them.

    Thing that doesn’t totally jive with Kurt’s position is that Chia reportedly wanted Manning last year and had run the idea by Connor at that time but was nixed by TMc and the coaching staff of the day.

    That doesn’t preempt Hitch wanting Manning, but that idea was simmering on Chiarelli’s back burner for some time before Hitch had influence.

  63. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    russ99,

    Circumvention, how?

    Players on IR count against the cap, unless they’re there for a time (believe one week max) and are retroactively placed on LTIR once the scope of their injury is fully understood. At that point their salaries come off the cap.

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oddspell: …Why did we send Manning down?

    With the PJ and Khaira transactions, there are enough roster spots to bring in both Currie and Sekera.

    Not that I’m overly upset, but I find it curious.

    Incoming trade?

    Firstly, he hasn’t been sent down, just waived – he can clear waivers and remain with the team – similar to Rattie a bit earlier.

    Second, he is likely to help the Condors (in replacement of Sekera)

    Thirdly, I haven’t looked, however, without burying the $1,050,000 from sending Manning down, I think they are over the cap – even when on IR, you count against the cap just don’t take up a roster spot (i.e. we really have 26 players counting towards the cap – including Benning, JP, Khaira)

    Fourth, maybe someone claims him and we can divest of the commitment for next year

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    “IR” what a joke.

    If the clowns running the team get us hit with cap circumvention penalties it will just add to a string of bad moves and inept management.

    Or maybe he’s actually banged up? Hitch talked before last game that the forward lineup was in flux given so many banged up players and then Jesse didn’t play – it was never actually stated that he was a healthy scratch. He likely is banged up.

  66. Dicky94 says:

    Soooo….what are the odds Spooner lights it up down the stretch and helps Vancouver make the playoffs? This has to happen right?

  67. Oddspell says:

    OriginalPouzar: Section 50.5(e)(C)(5) expressly allows for multiple Retained Salary Transactions with respect to a single contract.

    Its somewhat ambiguous, however, the provision you refer to references the “remaining term” and the 50% limit – I believe the proper interpretation is that, in a subsequent retained salary transaction for the one contract, the disposing team can retain up to 50% of the 50% they are on the hook for.

    Going to be honest, the reference To SPC term makes me think there’s a 50% limit on the total contract, but if you’re right then I certainly agree that such a move is in our best interest.

  68. Oddspell says:

    OriginalPouzar: Firstly, he hasn’t been sent down, just waived – he can clear waivers and remain with the team – similar to Rattie a bit earlier.

    Second, he is likely to help the Condors (in replacement of Sekera)

    Thirdly, I haven’t looked, however, without burying the $1,050,000 from sending Manning down, I think they are over the cap – even when on IR, you count against the cap just don’t take up a roster spot (i.e. we really have 26 players counting towards the cap – including Benning, JP, Khaira)

    Fourth, maybe someone claims him and we can divest of the commitment for next year

    I thought the tweet said waived for the purpose of reassignment.

    I checked the math, we should be able to fit both Currie and Sekera in with a couple hundred thousand to spare.

    But your 2nd point is probably on the money. Reinforcements for the farm.

  69. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: Or maybe he’s actually banged up? Hitch talked before last game that the forward lineup was in flux given so many banged up players and then Jesse didn’t play – it was never actually stated that he was a healthy scratch. He likely is banged up.

    Hmmmm. In the same week as the furore over JP and his agent, we last played two days ago and usually it’s the done thing to say “Jesse Puljujarvi is out tonight with an injury (or healthy scratch.”

    How about an agreement with Jesse that he goes IR until the trade is done? Something isn’t right.

  70. texmex says:

    From gregor

    Sounds like Khaira might have a hairline fracture. Puljujarvi more vague with lower body injury. Also hearing his camp isn’t loving idea of a possible reassignment. #Oilers

  71. texmex says:

    Man, Kucherov is on fire.

    A 3rd consecutive art ross may be out of reach for Connor

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog: It may be easy negotiations, we truly don’t know. Assuming is death.

    Sekera hasn’t played one shift of NHL hockey this season nor effectively in 2 years, looking good in the AHL on a team that is zooming is fancy makeup. Assuming is death.

    Awfully large assumption that If Nurse is moved it’s to fill in the RD hole, fantasy levels.

    Sekera post injury as 2LD and Russell as 3LD is not moving this club closer to a championship.

    1) Based on previous contract negotiations and with his offence spiking, I don’t think its a stretch to think that his next contract will be highly negotiated and, even if it is easily signed, I anticipate it will be very expensive, potentially double his current.

    2) Yes, its an assumption on Sekera’s ability at the NHL level but we are simply having fun discussing the possibilities if that is the case. I watched every single one of his AHL games and his mobility was a non-factor and he was very good overall. As I’ve said, that doesn’t mean that will translate to the increase in speed and tempo at the NHL level the early arrows are nice – he was moving without issue.

    3) Again, we are discussing possibilities if Sekera is close to form and my position is the potential to allow a Nurse trade in connection with the acquisition of a 2RD – I’m not sure why that’s such a fantasy – a 2nd pairing LD as the basis for a trade for a 2nd pairing RD is not fantasy – I’m not saying straight up but something like Nurse plus JP or Nurse plus McLeod could be the basis of a Risto or Parayko or a d-man one tier below

    4) Russell won’t be on this team when they are winning championships but he can stop-gap 3LD until Lagesson is ready – Jones also in the mix – shit both are in the mix for next year. A healthy Sekera at 2LD – hell ya I’ll take that for the next few years.

  73. ArmchairGM says:

    texmex:
    From gregor

    Sounds like Khaira might have a hairline fracture. Puljujarvi more vague with lower body injury. Also hearing his camp isn’t loving idea of a possible reassignment. #Oilers

    Fuck that guy. His agent bitches about improper development and IMO he’s complicit in the whole debacle. Stop meddling and let the team choose the correct path.

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    A lot of JP’s positional problems seem attributable to the smaller ice, not sure if sending him to Europe is the best plan.

    Maybe Bakersfield, has anyone mentioned that?

    Hitch did mention about a month ago that Jesse was still getting used to the smaller ice and still did lots of things on the ice that were more apt for the larger surface. Of course, I’ve learned to believe very little of what that man says in public…

  75. hunter1909 says:

    ArmchairGM: Fuck that guy. His agent bitches about improper development and IMO he’s complicit in the whole debacle. Stop meddling and let the team choose the correct path.

    What kind of a lily livered management is it that takes crap like this from agents? There was a movie producer who used to bitch slap actor’s agents around for personal entertainment. Trust the Oilers to be shitting themselves with player agents. Using their pathetic media to float their stupid ideas(stupid because it’s them).

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: After this year, JP has to pass through waivers. He will be claimed for sure.

    Not until he plays 21 more NHL games. If he doesn’t play 21 more NHL games this year he will remain exempt at the beginning of next season.

    If he’s assigned to Bakersfield shortly this season (and maybe he will be after he healthy and off IR), he will not have to clear waivers at the beginning of next year.

  77. hunter1909 says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    A lot of JP’s positional problems seem attributable to the smaller ice, not sure if sending him to Europe is the best plan.

    Maybe Bakersfield, has anyone mentioned that?

    It’s so obvious that he needs time in the AHL to star and gain confidence it’s not even funny.

  78. hunter1909 says:

    Hilarious how JP gets ripped for not being able to develop himself on the Edmonton Golden Seals.

    Hilarious for Calgary fans.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    russ99,

    Circumvention, how?

    Players on IR count against the cap, unless they’re there for a time (believe one week max) and are retroactively placed on LTIR once the scope of their injury is fully understood.At that point their salaries come off the cap.

    Not correct – players on IR count against the cap end stop.

    Even players on LTIR count against the cap (LTIR can provide a cushion to go over the cap).

    Placing a player on IR retroactively essentially is related to their ability to be activated from IR – min 7 days. For example, the placement of Jesse on IR can be made retroactive to Saturday (he played Friday) which means he’d be eligible to be activated for a game this coming Saturday.

    If he stays on for a week, two weeks, a month – his cap hit counts against the team’s cap.

    A player must miss a min of 10 games and 24 days to be placed on LTIR (still doesn’t get rid of the cap hit).

  80. tileguy says:

    Oddspell: I thought the tweet said waived for the purpose of reassignment.

    I checked the math, we should be able to fit both Currie and Sekera in with a couple hundred thousand to spare.

    But your 2nd point is probably on the money. Reinforcements for the farm.

    It would be crazy if that extra 50k we are paying Gagner vis a vis Sponer got in the way.

  81. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar,

    Well done. Nice attention to detail on both accounts.

  82. Biggus Dickus says:

    OriginalPouzar: 1) Based on previous contract negotiations and with his offence spiking, I don’t think its a stretch to think that his next contract will be highly negotiated and, even if it is easily signed, I anticipate it will be very expensive, potentially double his current.

    2) Yes, its an assumption on Sekera’s ability at the NHL level but we are simply having fun discussing the possibilities if that is the case. I watched every single one of his AHL games and his mobility was a non-factor and he was very good overall.As I’ve said, that doesn’t mean that will translate to the increase in speed and tempo at the NHL level the early arrows are nice – he was moving without issue.

    3) Again, we are discussing possibilities if Sekera is close to form and my position is the potential to allow a Nurse trade in connection with the acquisition of a 2RD – I’m not sure why that’s such a fantasy – a 2nd pairing LD as the basis for a trade for a 2nd pairing RD is not fantasy – I’m not saying straight up but something like Nurse plus JP or Nurse plus McLeod could be the basis of a Risto or Parayko or a d-man one tier below

    4) Russell won’t be on this team when they are winning championships but he can stop-gap 3LD until Lagesson is ready – Jones also in the mix – shit both are in the mix for next year. A healthy Sekera at 2LD – hell ya I’ll take that for the next few years.

    4) I imagine Russell will be long since dead.

  83. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Not until he plays 21 more NHL games.If he doesn’t play 21 more NHL games this year he will remain exempt at the beginning of next season.

    If he’s assigned to Bakersfield shortly this season (and maybe he will be after he healthy and off IR), he will not have to clear waivers at the beginning of next year.

    Thanks for that. So if we send him to the minors this year we’re golden. He doesn’t have to go through waivers next year. Very happy to be mistaken about that.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dicky94: Well, its a good think the Oilers did end up trading Talbot and opening up cap space – I didn’t think they’d need the cap space this year due to not being “buyers”, however, with Reggie being activated and the LTIR relief going away and having Benning, Puljujarvi and Khaira all on IR, we essentially have a 26 man roster for the purposes of the cap and are just barely under right now – will have a bit of cushion once Manning is sent down (if the Canucks don’t claim him…..).

    Well, if earlier reports are true, he’s going to be placed in a position to succeed right off the bat – playing with Petersson and Boeser.

    He’s got a history of producing while playing a complimentary role on a skill line.

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oddspell: Going to be honest, the reference To SPC term makes me think there’s a 50% limit on the total contract, but if you’re right then I certainly agree that such a move is in our best interest.

    I can’t say I’m 100% confident but I can definitely interpret it that way.

    My career encompasses negotiating and drafting very complex legal documents – 200 page corporate credit agreements from some of the biggest corporate loans in the country – I’m not trying to be pretentious here, just giving a sense of the type of legal documents I work with.

    Anyways, I’ve been doing this for the better part of two decades now and I can say that the NHL CBA has some of the toughest to interpret provisions I have ever encountered, is poorly drafted in many many, many places and has countless clauses that are open for interpretation and somewhat ambiguous.

  86. ArmchairGM says:

    hunter1909: What kind of a lily livered management is it that takes crap like this from agents? There was a movie producer who used to bitch slap actor’s agents around for personal entertainment. Trust the Oilers to be shitting themselves with player agents. Using their pathetic media to float their stupid ideas(stupid because it’s them).

    All those terrible contracts indicate that the agents are used to bitch-slapping Oilers management around.

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oddspell: I thought the tweet said waived for the purpose of reassignment.

    I checked the math, we should be able to fit both Currie and Sekera in with a couple hundred thousand to spare.

    But your 2nd point is probably on the money. Reinforcements for the farm.

    Yes, it has been said that its waivers for the purpose of re-assignment but that doesn’t mean they actually have to assign him.

    Not to mention, I think Benning is close to coming off IR and he may be activated for tomorrow.

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex:
    From gregor

    Sounds like Khaira might have a hairline fracture. Puljujarvi more vague with lower body injury. Also hearing his camp isn’t loving idea of a possible reassignment. #Oilers

    We know Jesse’s agent is against him going to Bakersfield – that came out yesterday with express comments from the agent along the lines of “he’s already been there”.

    Personally, I don’t give a crap what his agent thinks and its annoying that the organization seems to be placating to his agent – they may not be but it does seem that way. His agent is doing him a disservice – he’s 20 years old – the age when a CHL drafted player is first eligible for the AHL – its made for players like Jesse right now.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Fuck that guy. His agent bitches about improper development and IMO he’s complicit in the whole debacle. Stop meddling and let the team choose the correct path.

    Agreed!

    The horror – a 20 year old prospect playing in the minor leagues – its not like that’s actually the minimum age for a player drafted out of major junior and made for prospects that age to develop which is actually good for their careers.

    He’s four months older than Yamamoto. He’s younger than Tyler Benson. He’s younger than Cooper Marody. He’s younger than Caleb Jones. He’s younger than Ethan Bear. He’s younger than William Lagesson.

    Why is he so special that the American Hockey League isn’t appropriate for him.

    You know what, the more I think about this, the more I’m wondering about this player and his mindset.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: Thanks for that. So if we send him to the minors this year we’re golden. He doesn’t have to go through waivers next year. Very happy to be mistaken about that.

    Essentially 160 games is the trigger for him to lose waiver exemption status. He’s already hit the 3 accrued seasons for it (normally 5 years is required for players that are 18 when signed but he played 11 games in a season prior to 19 do that 5 was reduced to 3).

  91. Caller Zen says:

    Dicky94:
    Soooo….what are the odds Spooner lights it up down the stretch and helpsVancouver make the playoffs?This has to happen right?

    Orrrr… the Canucks climb the point standings, but fail to clinch that last wildcard spot and instead draft at #15 …just how the smartest men in the room planned it. That was the genius of the trade all along, right?

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    If this JP isn’t really hurt and this is a way to avoid sending him to Bakersfield in order to work out a trade and management is placating to his agent, I will be extremely disapointed.

    If that is the case, management needs to dig in ala Yzerman and Drouin and not fast-track a trade b/c of a meddling agent.

    Not to mention the interim GM shouldn’t be making a Puljujarvi trade – that is a trade for the full time GM when he’s hired (and, if it happens to be KG, then after the search and official hire is complete).

  93. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: You know what, the more I think about this, the more I’m wondering about this player and his mindset.

    Taking players in the top 5 of the draft comes with the expectations of the player and his camp.

    Given how the Oilers operate and the building narrative within the league of their failures it only compounds what results they get from the people they deal with.

    If I were his agent I would be concerned that they control him for a while yet and would think of Yakupov, knowing my player is a far better player, but seemingly is on the same trajectory, out of the NHL, ruining his dreams, and our payday.

    JP is an unusual player style-wise to me. I don’t look at that as a bad thing. I think it’s a good thing, when the Oilers kicked butt unusual is how they broke the mold.

    But it is harder to incorporate a player that is different. If you can do it the problem becomes the opposition’s, because their systems and assignments are based on what usually happens.

    Add to that he’s big for today’s game and still mobile, to me this is a cornerstone type of player even if he maxes out at 1PPG.

    I don’t think the current regime is up to making this a massive win. Massive loses is easier to hit.

    It would be fine to recognize this weakness and turn him into an equal asset, also unlikely.

  94. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Agreed!

    The horror – a 20 year old prospect playing in the minor leagues – its not like that’s actually the minimum age for a player drafted out of major junior and made for prospects that age to develop which is actually good for their careers.

    He’s four months older than Yamamoto.He’s younger than Tyler Benson.He’s younger than Cooper Marody.He’s younger than Caleb Jones.He’s younger than Ethan Bear.He’s younger than William Lagesson.

    Why is he so special that the American Hockey League isn’t appropriate for him.

    You know what, the more I think about this, the more I’m wondering about this player and his mindset.

    Was there not an article back in Finland pertaining to what the Oilers were doing to one of their favourite sons? Then it comments on how Laine and Aho are being handled and treated better.

  95. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: the NHL CBA has some of the toughest to interpret provisions I have ever encountered, is poorly drafted in many many, many places and has countless clauses that are open for interpretation and somewhat ambiguous.

    Kind of sounds like the Oilers!

    OriginalPouzar: You know what, the more I think about this, the more I’m wondering about this player and his mindset.

    Sounds like you’ve never been promoted then demoted. It’s human to not want to take a step backward in life.

    JP is probably too young to understand fully what’s going on. His agent sounds like an idiot, and the Oilers are a team in the National Hockey League.

  96. texmex says:

    texmex,

    5 points for kuch, 99 on the season, 16 upon McDavid

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kucherov with 5 points tonight.

    I don’t think McDavid has even had a 5 game stretch like he’s on.

    Of course, TBL is a bit deeper – Kuch gets two good linemates, dmen that can pass and depth below him that require oppoition to care about and not solely focus on his line.

    There is no race for the Art Ross.

  98. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Give JP the Drouin treatment.
    Hold out for a Sergachev.

  99. Rebillled says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I will be extremely disappointed too.

    But not surprised.

    This team doesn’t know how to ‘make trades’ that are ‘good’ ‘very often’.

    My guess is:

    Pulju for Strome or

    Pulju for Spooner.

  100. Ryan says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Give JP the Drouin treatment.
    Hold out for a Sergachev.

    That’s the thing.

    The Oilers record for assessing talent… either their own or other team’s is not nearly good enough.

    The Bolts have very good scouting.

    Cernak was a nice add.

    What’s interesting about the Bolts is that their entire forward roster is mostly comprised of drafted and developed players yet they only have one blue liner whom they drafted, Hedman.

  101. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bizarre they they would even have discussions with his agent. It’s all good and well to accommodate the kid’s agent, but at some point you tell him to hit the road. If the agent can’t see that the AHL is best for JP, he’s really not helping the kid.

  102. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Ryan: What’s interesting about the Bolts is that their entire forward roster is mostly comprised of drafted and developed players yet they only have one blue liner whom they drafted, Hedman.

    What’s interesting is that they can’t seem to spot Defense.
    Over the last few years,
    Coburn, Girardi, Carle, Garrison, Rutta, Ohlund, Brewer, Sustr
    Have left a lot to be desired.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    There are expectations of the player on the organization? Well then I think there are expectations of the organization on the player. Frankly, neither have lived up to the expectations and, given the player is just 20 years old, there is plenty of time to re-set and do this right.

    The entire young core of the AHL team except Yamamoto are older than Jesse – Jones, Bear, Marody, Benson yet Jesse is special and is better than the AHL because of, what, draft pedigree?

    Jesse’s agent is doing a massive disservice to his client by publicly rallying against the AHL presumably in the name of money.

    The organization placating is just as egregious.

    Geez – its just one thing after another.

    Unless, of course, he’s hurt and will get sent to the AHL upon activation next Saturday.

  104. Fiveinatrailer says:

    I played a few games of bingo with the kids tonight after work for family day. It was awkward explaining to them that’s how the Oilers got Mcdavid. Not via planning or skill. Just gross incompetence and a large measure of luck. Followed by more gross incompetence.

    I only got bingo because their cards had numbers on them that were impossible to hit as the balls have been missing from the hopper for some time. Hahaha. Probably EXACTLY how the oilers got McJesus.
    Maybe they can do it again this year!

  105. OmJo says:

    It pisses me off more that this fucking team is ruining McDavid’s chance at an Art Ross and Hart trophy than them missing the playoffs.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish1168: Was there not an article back in Finland pertaining to what the Oilers were doing to one of their favourite sons? Then it comments on how Laine and Aho are being handled and treated better.

    Aho had 29 goals and 49 points as a rookie (granted he had the opportunity to stay in Finland and not be rushed to the NHL in his draft plus 1).

    Laine had 36 goal and 64 points as a rookie.

    They should be handled better.

  107. Klima's_Bucket says:

    As per the Puljujarvi discussion,

    I think it’s obvious that when it comes to being a consistent top 6 NHL winger he’s just not ready.
    Nice hair, though.

  108. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: Aho had 29 goals and 49 points as a rookie (granted he had the opportunity to stay in Finland and not be rushed to the NHL in his draft plus 1).

    Laine had 36 goal and 64 points as a rookie.

    They should be handled better.

    Why does their rookie season dictate who should be handled better? Maybe their production is a result of them initially being handled better to begin with?

    Aho spent a year in Finland, then not asked to be a 4th line checker and earn the right to be put in a position to succeed.

    Laine was kept in the NHL and put in a position to succeed.

    Puljujarvi should have been sent back to Finland, was kept, and asked to be a checker line RW and has produced when played with skill. On top of that, he does back and forth from the NHL to AHL multiple times a season. On top of that he’s constantly healthy scratched when in the NHL. And on top of that when he does play he had new linemates every few shifts.

    Wow how has he not figured it out yet in the NHL?

    Had Puljujarvi been on the Canes or Jets and one of the others been here we very likely could be having the same conversation but in reverse….

    Because Oilers.

  109. Sierra says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Bizarre they they would even have discussions with his agent. It’s all good and well to accommodate the kid’s agent, but at some point you tell him to hit the road. If the agent can’t see that the AHL is best for JP, he’s really not helping the kid.

    It might not be the AHL they object to, but rather how the Oilers are developing JP. Perhaps they are just tired of it and want out.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: Aho spent a year in Finland, then not asked to be a 4th line checker and earn the right to be put in a position to succeed.

    Laine was kept in the NHL and put in a position to succeed.

    Puljujarvi should have been sent back to Finland, was kept, and asked to be a checker line RW and has produced when played with skill.

    Had Puljujarvi been on the Canes or Jets and one of the others been here we very likely could be having the same conversation but in reverse….

    Because Oilers.

    Sorry, that should say handled “differently” not “better”.

    In 2016/17, Puljujarvi’s most common linemates were, in order:

    Draisaitl
    Maroon
    McDavid
    Pouliot
    Lucic

    Doesn’t seem to me that he was asked to be a fourth line checker or not given the opportunity to succeed.

  111. Ryan says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: What’s interesting is that they can’t seem to spot Defense.
    Over the last few years,
    Coburn, Girardi, Carle, Garrison, Rutta, Ohlund, Brewer, Sustr
    Have left a lot to be desired.

    Yeah, they are not infallible.

    They drafted Koekkoek 10th ov in 2012. Then they packaged him with a fifth in a curious trade for Rutta and a seventh… then never played Jan Rutta in the NHL. Rutta has a $2.25m cap too lol.

    I’d love for someone to explain this trade to me.

    They drafted Gudas in 2010 then packaged him with a first and third for Coburn in 2015. Seems like an absurd price to pay for Coburn considering those were 2015 draft picks traded.

    They drafted Deangelo 19th ov in 2014 then traded him a year later for a second round pick to Arizona. He’s now playing second pair for the Rags.

    They have Cal Foote from the 2017 draft. I thought he was a reach, but I could be wrong.

  112. digger50 says:

    This am I asked a question about the Islanders and thier turnaround this year.

    Feedback:

    Excellent GM and coach
    Great goaltending
    Better built bottom six – several brought in over the summer.

    So this provides some hope as:

    We are looking for a GM and coach. Ours will also be just in place for the summer. I love Hitch but I do see a younger coach coming in.

    We are trying out backup goalies now, there is a chance we hit on someone above average.

    We will be shopping for bottom six help.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sierra: It might not be the AHL they object to, but rather how the Oilers are developing JP.Perhaps they are just tired of it and want out.

    They very well might have an issue with how he’s being developed and I would think would be fully entitled to a conversation with management. That’s different than a public statement which included opposition to a possible AHL assignment because “he’s already been there” – for a 20 year old, 20.

    The AHL is made for 20-21 year olds.

  114. Caller Zen says:

    OmJo:
    It pisses me off more that this fucking team is ruining McDavid’s chance at an Art Ross and Hart trophy than them missing the playoffs.

    As much as the fans want to see McDavid win awards such as the Art Ross and Hart trophy, I get the sense that McDavid prioritizes a deep playoff run a lot more than awards. It also might feel quite awkward accepting the Art Ross 3 years in a row when his team cannot even make the playoffs.

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yup and I personally don’t really care that much if he wins trophy’s – sure, I’d prefer if he did than if he didn’t but I’m much more concerned about matters such as this Puljujarvi fiasco than McDavid’s individual awards. The only award I really care about him winning is the Conn Smyth

  116. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    There are expectations of the player on the organization?Well then I think there are expectations of the organization on the player.Frankly, neither have lived up to the expectations and, given the player is just 20 years old, there is plenty of time to re-set and do this right.

    The entire young core of the AHL team except Yamamoto are older than Jesse – Jones, Bear, Marody, Benson yet Jesse is special and is better than the AHL because of, what, draft pedigree?

    Jesse’s agent is doing a massive disservice to his client by publicly rallying against the AHL presumably in the name of money.

    The organization placating is just as egregious.

    Geez – its just one thing after another.

    Unless, of course, he’s hurt and will get sent to the AHL upon activation next Saturday.

    If your law firm goes after the 3rd highest rated graduating law student in the world, and gets them luckily, and then sticks them in the basement without giving them a chance to spread their wings, would they stay?

    Things are different, expectations are different FROM those that fly higher than everyone else. Things and expectations are different FOR those that fly higher than everyone else.

    Team needs also play into how such a relationship might be handled. For a lousy team with a crap record of handling prospects we shouldn’t expect a lot of leeway.

    If you the Bolts or Pens right now, different story. Social leverage comes from popularity, and in sports it means those that have won lately. It also goes away fast.

  117. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: 1) Based on previous contract negotiations and with his offence spiking, I don’t think its a stretch to think that his next contract will be highly negotiated and, even if it is easily signed, I anticipate it will be very expensive, potentially double his current.

    2) Yes, its an assumption on Sekera’s ability at the NHL level but we are simply having fun discussing the possibilities if that is the case. I watched every single one of his AHL games and his mobility was a non-factor and he was very good overall.As I’ve said, that doesn’t mean that will translate to the increase in speed and tempo at the NHL level the early arrows are nice – he was moving without issue.

    3) Again, we are discussing possibilities if Sekera is close to form and my position is the potential to allow a Nurse trade in connection with the acquisition of a 2RD – I’m not sure why that’s such a fantasy – a 2nd pairing LD as the basis for a trade for a 2nd pairing RD is not fantasy – I’m not saying straight up but something like Nurse plus JP or Nurse plus McLeod could be the basis of a Risto or Parayko or a d-man one tier below

    4) Russell won’t be on this team when they are winning championships but he can stop-gap 3LD until Lagesson is ready – Jones also in the mix – shit both are in the mix for next year. A healthy Sekera at 2LD – hell ya I’ll take that for the next few years.

    Russell is a horrible option for a stop gap 3rd pairing D, because that D has to be able to “babysit” emerging D. Russell’s style, surrendering the zone and poor gap control and snow angelling make him a horrible option for helping break in D graduating from the AHL.

  118. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sorry, that should say handled “differently” not “better”.

    In 2016/17, Puljujarvi’s most common linemates were, in order:

    Draisaitl
    Maroon
    McDavid
    Pouliot
    Lucic

    Doesn’t seem to me that he was asked to be a fourth line checker or not given the opportunity to succeed.

    Wasn’t his most common position the pressbox? He was spot played, or not at all for the first half of the season. So the linemates did not matter.

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    Well, my firm does go after the best graduating law students in Canada – its one on Canada’s top national law firms (well, actually, we hire most of our student out of 1st year law). Guess what, all the students go through the same rotation and they all to the same type of lower level work – including court runs, document summaries, due diligence, notarizing, closing book preparation, etc. We even made them dress up as Santa for the children’s’ Christmas party and perform skits for partner lunches, etc.

    Anyways, even if that wasn’t the case, how a law firm is run has no bearing or relationship on how a professional sports franchise should be run – not to mention, the professional sports franchise has an association with a minor league franchise for the main purpose of developing these young players – its exactly what its for.

    Again, as far as opportunity, Jesse’s most common linemates in his rookie season, in order Leon Draisaitl, Patrick Maroon, Connor McDavid.

    The organization has failed Jesse but, at the same time, Jesse has not lived up to his draft pedigree – that’s fine – prospect develop at differing rates – he’s 20 years old and there is plenty of time left – just got to make the next right move and, at this point that move is the American Hockey League where he’ll be the 2nd youngest of the higher end prospects.

    At some point, draft pedigree needs to be a non-factor in any event.

  120. jp says:

    godot10: Wasn’t his most common position the pressbox? He was spot played, or not at all for the first half of the season. So the linemates did not matter.

    He played 67 regular season games between the NHL and AHL, so this is hyperbole.

    OriginalPouzar:

    In 2016/17, Puljujarvi’s most common linemates were, in order:

    Draisaitl
    Maroon
    McDavid
    Pouliot
    Lucic

    Doesn’t seem to me that he was asked to be a fourth line checker or not given the opportunity to succeed.

    Just had a look at his linemates this year and for his career. I didn’t realize how little he’s played with shitty players, basically just the past month or so. He and his agent have literally nothing to complain about in terms of linemates at least.

    Career most common linemates:
    Lucic
    McDavid
    Nuge
    Strome
    Khaira
    Draisaitl

    In case anyone is thinking that Lucic has been an anchor, JP is over 50% in every metric with Lucic, and better with than without him across the board.

    Even this season is not nearly as bad as I thought:
    Nuge
    Khaira
    Lucic
    Caggiula
    Draisaitl
    Rieder
    Strome
    McDavid
    Brodziak

    (FWIW, slightly better with Lucic than without across the board again, and the only player Jesse is over 50% GF% with this year)

    Puljujarvi’s really only scored with McDavid. Nobody scores with Lucic, but at least goals haven’t been going in the other way with JP-Lucic. He’s under 1.5 P/60 (career) with every forward except McDavid. He isn’t producing or outscoring with Draisaitl or RNH. Seems like a struggling young player who could use some time in the minors to me. Hopefully he and his agent realize at least some of this.

  121. Glovjuice says:

    ArmchairGM: So, Hall-Larsson 2.0. Getting raped on the trade is ok because we can use that cap space to sign a UFA for more money and term than he’s worth…nope, not buying it.

    Not big on your choice of words in relation to a hockey trade. In my opinion, this should be clear to all posters here.

  122. danny says:

    Jesse hasn’t been able to ‘slow the game down’… its a common refrain for athletes recounting moments they excel and they ‘get it’. Things just slowed down. Became easier. Watching Jesse with possession across the blueline is rare, because he dumps a shot on net almost immediately. He’s practically in a panic state IMO.

    That usually works itself out with experience… bad news is he’s not getting any.

    Not sure how Jesse’s progress compares to the commoditization of legal services though? If a legal firm comparison were apt to Jesse, I’d guess a 4th overall pick would be akin to a new partner doing his first merger? Nah that’s even nerfing it. Jesse was consensus 4th best in the world for his graduation class. That’s an immense commodity, and a significant expectation to meet. If a law student were ever deemed 4th best prospect in the world, he probably would not be dressing up as Santa in Edmonton?

  123. pts2pndr says:

    russ99:
    “IR” what a joke.

    If the clowns running the team get us hit with cap circumvention penalties it will just add to a string of bad moves and inept management.

    What would make you feel better about this? It’s about time the team uses the rules to their advantage!

  124. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Well, my firm does go after the best graduating law students in Canada – its one on Canada’s top national law firms (well, actually, we hire most of our student out of 1st year law).Guess what, all the students go through the same rotation and they all to the same type of lower level work – including court runs, document summaries, due diligence, notarizing, closing book preparation, etc.We even made them dress up as Santa for the children’s’ Christmas party and perform skits for partner lunches, etc.

    Anyways, even if that wasn’t the case, how a law firm is run has no bearing or relationship on how a professional sports franchise should be run – not to mention, the professional sports franchise has an association with a minor league franchise for the main purpose of developing these young players – its exactly what its for.

    Again, as far as opportunity, Jesse’s most common linemates in his rookie season, in order Leon Draisaitl, Patrick Maroon, Connor McDavid.

    The organization has failed Jesse but, at the same time, Jesse has not lived up to his draft pedigree – that’s fine – prospect develop at differing rates – he’s 20 years old and there is plenty of time left – just got to make the next right move and, at this point that move is the American Hockey League where he’ll be the 2nd youngest of the higher end prospects.

    At some point, draft pedigree needs to be a non-factor in any event.

    That is like saying first rounders. I’m saying the top 3 that have multiple offers on the table. Recognized elite. World wide.

    That is what JP is. Should there be any difference in treatment? No.
    In reality there is in everything, everywhere, every industry.

    In hockey it’s not usually a problem, but the Oilers have not handled a guy well that might expect to be. It would happen and does on any team.

    Is he a problem? No. He’s frustrated and everyone agrees the Oilers screwed it up. Anyone would think a run with top 2 centres might be in order.

  125. drglen says:

    This was a depressing oiler season.

  126. Sierra says:

    OriginalPouzar: They very well might have an issue with how he’s being developed and I would think would be fully entitled to a conversation with management.That’s different than a public statement which included opposition to a possible AHL assignment because “he’s already been there” – for a 20 year old, 20.

    The AHL is made for 20-21 year olds.

    Isn’t that part of the actual quote. Didn’t the quote say something along the lines of “ was a plan and Jesse was already there?”

    I interpret this as the agent saying they were fine with the plan of sending Jesse to the A, but once the Oilers brought him back to be under Hitchks tutelage and play 8 minutes a night on the fourth line they no longer understand what the plan is, if there even is one, and that Jesse should have just been left in Bakersfield.

    The relationship is a mess.

  127. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sorry, that should say handled “differently” not “better”.

    In 2016/17, Puljujarvi’s most common linemates were, in order:

    Draisaitl
    Maroon
    McDavid
    Pouliot
    Lucic

    Doesn’t seem to me that he was asked to be a fourth line checker or not given the opportunity to succeed.

    What are his times and P/60 with those players in his rookie season?

    Can I ask where you found this information, too?

    Also I added to that post after (or during) you replied to it.

  128. OmJo says:

    Sierra,

    The actual quote that I could find via: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-puljujarvi-bereft-confidence-another-soul-crushing-night/

    “Going to the American League… Jesse was already there. There was a great plan, then things changed…”

  129. 106 and 106 says:

    Giordano has more points than Nuge. Will that guy ever stop producing?

    Dom in his Oilers season preview had the Oilers (off memory):

    1st in Centres
    31st in Wingers
    27th in Defensemen
    Replacement Level Goaltenders

    Hope they consider hiring this guy to run the analytics department.

    The water is fine, the players aren’t.

  130. jp says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Is he a problem? No. He’s frustrated and everyone agrees the Oilers screwed it up. Anyone would think a run with top 2 centres might be in order.

    I’m coming around to this being more on the player.

    His most common Cs this season:
    Nuge
    Draisaitl
    Strome
    McDavid
    Brodziak
    Cave

    He’s played a lot with good centers and hasn’t produced really at all.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: That is like saying first rounders. I’m saying the top 3 that have multiple offers on the table. Recognized elite. World wide.

    That is what JP is. Should there be any difference in treatment? No.
    In reality there is in everything, everywhere, every industry.

    In hockey it’s not usually a problem, but the Oilers have not handled a guy well that might expect to be. It would happen and does on any team.

    Is he a problem? No. He’s frustrated and everyone agrees the Oilers screwed it up. Anyone would think a run with top 2 centres might be in order.

    Again, the students that we hire are the top in the country and have their choice of law firm – they could literally go to any law firm in the country – we court them, not the other way around – if fact, they have WAY more pull than a top 5 draft pick because they actually have the ability to go to any firm (team) they want. Jesse has zero choice. They still need to go through the learning process and, no, I don’t give them $billion leveraged buyout credit agreements to draft, I start them with tasks on transaction appropriate for their current abilities and level of development – searches, due diligence, etc.

    Jesse was one of the best prospects in the world 3 years ago. Its not 3 years ago, its now and, guess what, he is struggling at the NHL level – he is not helping the team win and his development is stagnating. Good thing in the professional hockey world this is happens alot and there is an affiliated league that is set up primarily for this exact situation – the American Hockey League which has other high pedigree player in the organization, even older than Puljujarvi, playing in it and developing.

    For Jesse and/or his agent to think he’s above playing in the American Hockey League as a 20 year old is baffling and very disappointing.

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: What are his times and P/60 with those players in his rookie season?

    Can I ask where you found this information, too?

    Also I added to that post after (or during) you replied to it.

    I found that information on natural stat trick – went in the season, clicked on Jesse, clicked on teammates and sort by TOI.

    His P/60 with essentially all relevant forwards was posted by JP in this thread and, from his research, the only player that JP has a P/60 > 1.5 is McDavid.

  133. ArmchairGM says:

    Glovjuice: Not big on your choice of words in relation to a hockey trade. In my opinion, this should be clear to all posters here.

    Rape, noun:
    an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation:
    the rape of the countryside

    Raped, verb: to plunder (a place); despoil:
    The logging operation raped a wide tract of forest without regard for the environmental impact of their harvesting practices.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Big night tonight – Reggie’s return to the NHL and I’m super excited to watch and see how he does.

    He passed his 5-game AHL test very well – he was so good in all zones, in particular in the last few games – great breaking up rushes in the neutral zone, very aggressive at the defensive blueline defending zone entries and the gap, smart passes, patience with the puck and increasingly aggressive in the offensive zone.

    His mobility looked fine and was a non-issue. The key now is to see if that is the case at the NHL level with the increase in speed and tempo. Tonight is our first look.

    If Reggie is anywhere close to 2016/17 levels, its a material add to our top 4 and opens up doors for management – gives the ability to trade a guy like Russell for some cap space and maybe even value or a trade of Sekera himself or even potentially a trade of a more material left shot D for a right shot D given the depth on the left side and guys like Jones and Lagesson knocking.

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    Also looking forward to seeing Josh Currie tonight – what a story. AHL only contract – earned his way to the AHL from the ECHL and, eventually, an NHL contract and then became a plus player at the AHL level. 15 goals in his last 17 games.

    The question is, will this coach play him with skill or will he be put in a position to “no succeed” on the fourth line and have to earn his way up the lineup like Lucic or Chiasson (1G in 2 months)?

    I think its time to stop the facade of “earning” top 6 play. There are three players on the team that have earned top 6 minutes – Leon, Connor and Nuge – noone else.

    I think its time to put players with offensive skill-sets in the top 6 with those three players and, given current roster, those players are Rattie, Currie and Gagner – play then with the 3 real top 6ers and play the other players like Cave, Rieder, Brodziak, Kasskain, etc. in the bottom 6.

    Lets slot players in to the lineup in places that match up with their skill sets. Currie or Rattie playing with Brodziak and Cave does not make sense.

  135. Psyche says:

    Lowetide:
    How can the Oilers successfully sell the new regime to a fan base that is openly angry?

    https://theathletic.com/824079/2019/02/19/lowetide-how-can-the-oilers-successfully-sell-the-new-regime-to-a-fan-base-that-is-openly-angry/

    Thanks LT! I need some quality reading, like this, to fill the gaps during my week off.

  136. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    ArmchairGM: Rape, noun:
    an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation:
    the rape of the countryside

    Raped, verb: to plunder (a place); despoil:
    The logging operation raped a wide tract of forest without regard for the environmental impact of their harvesting practices.

    – Come on be sensitive, show awareness. This is 2019. It’s a poor use of words.

    – There is a word in the dictionary used for being stingy or miserly. It is not used by people who are aware and enlightened, but you could use it and then show the definition as “proof”.

    – Be better, Glov is right

  137. Pescador says:

    106 and 106:

    Dom in his Oilers season preview had the Oilers (off memory):

    1st in Centres
    31st in Wingers
    27th in Defensemen
    Replacement Level Goaltenders

    Hope they consider hiring this guy to run the analytics department.

    The water is fine, the players aren’t.

    Holy shit, that’s as accurate of a description as I have read.
    Staggering when you think the majority of posters on the blog pegged this for a playoff roster.
    Ouch, 29th place

  138. ArmchairGM says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Come on be sensitive, show awareness.This is 2019.It’s a poor use of words.

    – There is a word in the dictionary used for being stingy or miserly.It is not used by people who are aware and enlightened, but you could use it and then show the definition as “proof”.

    – Be better, Glov is right

    I used the word exactly as it was intended. And all words are not equal, so don’t start that crap.

    “Be better” – bleeding heart liberal “victim”.

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