Game 59 2018-19: Coyotes at Oilers

Everything I’m about to write about Josh Currie is going to remind me of Mark Arcobello. Allow me to reach back over the years and quote something posted on this blog years ago (about Arcobello) that applies to Currie and all similar players:

  • November 2013: If overcoming obstacles was the sole value of a hockey player, he’d be Gretzky. Mark Arcobello began his pro career by signing an AHL contract—that’s not a strong arrow for a productive NHL future—and spent his early days playing on the lowest rung of the NHL entertainment platform, the ECHL. Since then, he’s climbed a mighty mountain to the NHL—and continues to climb.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: How can the Oilers successfully sell the new regime to a fan base that is openly angry?
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers trade deadline primer: Focus should be on moves that make life easier for the next GM
  • Lowetide: Cam Talbot’s Oilers career a disappointment save one beautiful spring.
  • Jonathan Willis: Edmonton’s trade for Sam Gagner is a gamble well worth making.
  • Jonathan Willis: Inside the success of the Bakersfield Condors, and what it means for Edmonton
  • Lowetide: The Oilers sure have a lot of problems, but there is a simple solution.
  • Jonathan Willis: Taking stock of Oilers positives as they enter the final third of a dismal 2018-19 season.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Keith Gretzky on the Oilers trade deadline plan, Andrej Sekera’s return and Jesse Puljujarvi’s season
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ potential roster upheaval might set a record for summer activity
  • Jonathan Willis: Teams should beware of these players at the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Will he stay or will he go? Possible trade destination for Cam Talbot.
  • Lowetide: Comparing Oilers prospects Tyler Benson and Kailer Yamamoto
  • Lowetide: Is Ken Hitchcock helping Jesse Puljujarvi find his way as an NHL player?
  • Lowetide: It’s time for Oilers owner Daryl Katz to stand and deliver a winning organization.
  • Lowetide: Entry deal AHL forwards give the Oilers an excellent trade pool.
  • Lowetide: Finding a path to the playoffs may involve reckless use of future assets by the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL free agency period
  • Corey Pronman: 2019 NHL Draft midseason rankings
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Lowetide: Edmonton’s 2019 entry draft plans may change with new GM but needs are clear
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

OILERS AFTER 59

  • Oilers in 2015: 22-31-6, 50 points; goal differential -30
  • Oilers in 2016: 32-19-8, 72 points; goal differential +14
  • Oilers in 2017: 24-31-4, 52 points; goal differential -34
  • Oilers in 2018: 24-29-5, 53 points; goal differential -25

In a season where momentum is acting like a drunken sailor, the current Oilers could go 1-7-2 in the next 10 or 7-2-1 in the next 10. Incredibly, this year’s group remains the second best among the four.

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 2-7-0, four points; goal differential -18
  • Oilers in February 2017: 5-4-0, 10 points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in February 2018: 2-6-1, five points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in February 2019: 1-5-2, four points; goal differential -12

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: Philadelphia, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-2)
  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Pittsburgh, Carolina, NY Islanders (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, NY Islanders, Anaheim (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Toronto, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-5-2, four points in eight games

KEITH GRETZKY’S MOVES

It took a few days but the Oilers under Keith Gretzky found a way to get Andrej Sekera on the roster and possibly add a useful offensive piece. For the record, in case you were on Guam for the last 10 days, here are the transactions of note.

  • January 29: Signed D Joel Persson to a one-year deal.
  • January 31: Recalled C Brad Malone from Bakersfield.
  • February 4: D Andrej Sekera begins conditioning stint.
  • February 9: D Matt Benning placed on injured reserve.
  • February 15: G Cam Talbot traded for G Anthony Stolarz.
  • February 16: F Ryan Spooner traded for F Sam Gagner.
  • February 17: D Andrej Sekera recalled from conditioning stint.
  • February 18: D Brandon Manning waived.
  • February 18: C Josh Currie recalled from Bakersfield.
  • February 18: L Jujhar Khaira placed on injured reserve.
  • February 18: R Jesse Puljujarvi placed on injured reserve.

PROJECTED LINEUP

This is a mess. That’s a fact. If you’re Connor McDavid, it has to be beyond frustrating to see this team bleed out this way. Honestly. Even if Ryan Strome and Drake Caggiula remained there would have been a little more offense. Crazy.

OILERS ASSETS OUT

This is my original list from Valentine’s Day, I’ll just cross off the names as they are sent away (and add players sent away who weren’t on the list).

  1. G Cam Talbot. UFA this summer, he led the Oilers to their first playoff berth in a decade just two years ago.
  2. RD Matt Benning. He has one more year after this one, $1.9 million AAV. He’s averaging just 14:46 per game this year (down from 17:17) but he’s a righty and should draw interest.
  3. R Zack Kassian. Also on the books for another year (at $1.9 million). His recent performances should mean greater interest.
  4. R Jesse Puljujarvi. I hate the idea, and a true contender won’t have interest. That said, JP is a player other NHL teams may take a chance on. Don’t expect a massive return.
  5. R Alex Chiasson. Not sure they’ll deal him but Chiasson’s trade value might be the best in this group. He has scored 17 goals and 27 points, and has posted some offense despite the goal drought.
  6. L Kevin Gravel. He doesn’t cost much and he’s good. Absolutely the kind of player who has deadline value.
  7. LD Kris Russell. Uncertain he’d waive, but this player type is exactly the sort who has extra value at the deadline.
  8. L Tobias Rieder. He has good speed and can PK, someone will have interest.
  9. R Alex Petrovic. At the deadline we might see late interest.
  10. L Jujhar Khaira. I’m including him only because a team like Boston might overpay for a perceived need.
  11. L Ryan Spooner. I didn’t think they could get anything for him.

WILL BRANDON MANNING CLEAR?

I’d bet Woodguy’s house on it.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show and a big day, we get started at 10 on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. Oilers at the deadline and the way forward.
  • Luke Lapinski, 98.7 Arizona Sports. We’ll preview a huge game for both teams tonight.
  • Scott Wheeler, The Athletic. Scott’s mid-season draft rankings for the 2019 crop is out and it’s a fabulous read.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Big night tonight – Reggie’s return to the NHL and I’m super excited to watch and see how he does.
    He passed his 5-game AHL test very well – he was so good in all zones, in particular in the last few games – great breaking up rushes in the neutral zone, very aggressive at the defensive blueline defending zone entries and the gap, smart passes, patience with the puck and increasingly aggressive in the offensive zone.

    His mobility looked fine and was a non-issue. The key now is to see if that is the case at the NHL level with the increase in speed and tempo. Tonight is our first look.

    If Reggie is anywhere close to 2016/17 levels, its a material add to our top 4 and opens up doors for management – gives the ability to trade a guy like Russell for some cap space and maybe even value or a trade of Sekera himself or even potentially a trade of a more material left shot D for a right shot D given the depth on the left side and guys like Jones and Lagesson knocking.
    ————————————–

    Also looking forward to seeing Josh Currie tonight – what a story. AHL only contract – earned his way to the AHL from the ECHL and, eventually, an NHL contract and then became a plus player at the AHL level. 15 goals in his last 17 games.

    The question is, will this coach play him with skill or will he be put in a position to “no succeed” on the fourth line and have to earn his way up the lineup like Lucic or Chiasson (1G in 2 months)?

    I think its time to stop the facade of “earning” top 6 play. There are three players on the team that have
    earned top 6 minutes – Leon, Connor and Nuge – noone else.

    I think its time to put players with offensive skill-sets in the top 6 with those three players and, given current roster, those players are Rattie, Currie and Gagner – play then with the 3 real top 6ers and play the other players like Cave, Rieder, Brodziak, Kasskain, etc. in the bottom 6.

    Lets slot players in to the lineup in places that match up with their skill sets. Currie or Rattie playing with Brodziak and Cave does not make sense.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rishaug is speculating that Jesse will get sent to Bakersfield when he’s off IR this coming weekend.

    If that is the case and he actually is too injured to play right now then I take a step back from the vitriol I spewed last night regarding his agent and him doing a disservice to Jesse and his career and, importantly, to management for placating to the “demands” of an agent.

    It would be fantastic news if Jesse could get the rest of the season in Bakersfield – I think it could set him up for a great summer and for the potential to win a top 6 winger spot on merit in the fall.

  3. Alpine says:

    If MIN offers Eriksson Ek and a pick, I bet the Oilers take it, lol.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Also, another thing today, the potential for Brandon Manning to be claimed off waivers and relieve the Oilers of his cap commitment for next season. Now, Vancouver only has 6 d-men on their roster and only 2 left shot D……..

    Of course, the chances of a claim are minuscule, however, until the official word comes that he’s cleared, I will hold out a tiny bit of hope.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    On the premise that “earning it” isn’t really a thing as niether Lucic nor Chiasson have earned top 6 spots with their play (Chiasson has 1G in two month I believe) and my premise of playing skill with skill, I’d like to see something along the lines of the following:

    Currie/McDavid/Rattie
    Nuge/Drai/Gagner
    Rieder/Malone/Chiasson
    Lucic/Brodz/Kass

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m not sure Reggie on his off-side in his first game back is a great idea – he’s not been effective there in the past as an Oiler (granted it was top pairing minutes with a raw Darnell Nurse as his partner). I’m remiss to go back to Russell as 2RD but I’d ease Sekera in a bit more:

    Klef/Larsson
    Nurse/Russell
    Sekera/Petrovic

  7. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    Currie/McDavid/Rattie
    Nuge/Drai/Gagner
    Rieder/Malone/Chiasson
    Lucic/Brodz/Kass

    – You might be right, but Fugly

    – I understand the Oil’s reasoning for why they play the 3C’s in 2 lines mostly together, but I think they really should have them on seperate lines and figure it out now that the season is over

  8. LMHF#1 says:

    Still at 3 forwards and 3 defencemen I’d keep. That’s it.

    Hire the guy that’s bold enough to consider that approach. (Doesn’t have to do it…but the best minds put nearly everything on the table at the start)

    I bet the same guy with $40-45 mil and bundles of draft picks could ice a damn fine hockey team.

    The idea that you need to retain marginal pieces is simply untrue.

  9. BONE207 says:

    Wifi in Guam worked fine. Phoenix…not so much.

    As for Woodguy…I’ll get the spare room ready just in case.

    Tonight is a game the Bipoilers should be projected to win, right? If I watch it & they don’t, do I jump off the bandwagon for the rest of the year or just skip the game & wait for spring. I’m so broken…

  10. Brantford Boy says:

    I’m a bit upset they waived Manning… I was really hoping to see a PP with Kassian-McDavid-Gagner and Manning… might as well get all that animosity out at once… Go Oilers!

  11. Hemsky is a gangsta says:

    Anyone catch Bob Nicholson on CBC AM radio this morning? Apparently he said Chiarelli didn’t use analytics. I thought he used his own off brand analytics that suggested Kris Russell was a great puck moving d-man! Anyway, it should be up on the CBC radio website soon enough.

  12. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Kassian has showed chemistry on top line,has the speed and smarts,don’t forget he played with the Sedins at one time,I wouldn’t be so quick to flush him. It might also help to pump his tires a bit before the deadline,and bring a higher draft pick.

  13. Oilman99 says:

    Hemsky is a gangsta,

    Nicholson should have been on the same train as Chia.more house cleaning is required, the incompetence is mind boggling.

  14. Bill says:

    Gagner with an 8pt night 🤪
    Sekera with a Norris worthy game, single handily turning the DCorps around
    McDavid lays waste to the ‘Yotes, retaking the Art Ross lead by the 2nd period
    Oilers win…

    And I need some more coffee it’s far to early to be this uncaffinated and optimistic(delusional)

    Great to see Josh Currie up, I like the cut of the kid’s gib.

  15. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Hemsky is a gangsta:
    Anyone catch Bob Nicholson on CBC AM radio this morning? Apparently he said Chiarelli didn’t use analytics. I thought he used his own off brand analytics that suggested Kris Russell was a great puck moving d-man! Anyway, it should be up on the CBC radio website soon enough.

    – It’s amazing. Were it true, Bob fails to see how that’s not on Chia but the Org

    – But it’s actually not true

    – They really do as an organization believe that they are just a better GM away from taking them to the promise land. What an amazing lie told by Bob, spinning a narrative:

    These are quotes from the GM re: analytics. Bob throwing him under the bus, wow,he has no clue:

    “He ranked second (among NHL defencemen) last year in passes leading to (offensive zone) entries,” Chiarelli said Tuesday from Buffalo. “With his skating and effective shot blocking, there are numbers that go the other way from traditional Corsi.”

    “There are a lot of positive Corsi guys who are not good players, and there are some negative relative Corsi guys who are very good players,” said Chiarelli. “Kris, he’s been a gritty defender all his life. His positives (Chiarelli tracks decisions that turn out both negatively and positively) when he’s moving the puck are the best on our team.”

    “Using the analytics as supplementary information — and the eye test — he passes muster significantly. That’s from 20 years of experience,” the GM said. “He’s a very good transitional defenceman and skater, and that bears out on his stats from the entry stat. And the eye test.”

  16. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    – Kinger: are you defending the Russell signing? “No”

    – Kinger are you saying that Chia was a good user of analytics: “No”

    – What are you saying Kinger? :” We have many tells from the organization that they believe they are a only a better GM away from being great. Culture, loyalty, Chia had no analytics, we are a playoff team, Koski made by committee, Manning was Hitch, the OBC is not involved, Chia was POHO. Chia brought in people, etc”

    – I honestly don’t know what I will do if next year we have a McCimmon/KG/MacT/Howson/Green/ Sutter/Lowe/Bob management structure, but I’m fairly certain this is roughly the structure

  17. Coiler says:

    Top 4 D on the roster doesn’t look too bad. The rest of it however, looks like a dog’s lunch.

    I know there is a purgatory for hockey players who have rubbed certain people the wrong way. The ones that never get a chance out of training camp, never get called up no matter what they do, don’t get drafted, etc..

    I’m curious to know if there is a such a place for one Mr Peter Chiarelli. The man who single-handedly destroyed a franchise and set them back 3 years with his astute signings and trades.

  18. smellyglove says:

    Coiler,

    I always wonder what happens to Executive cast-offs too. Tambo, Chia, etc.

    Too bad they’re not OBC, job for life.

  19. smellyglove says:

    LT, if you had an opportunity to ask Bob two questions, on the air, what would you query?

  20. --hudson-- says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    On the premise that “earning it” isn’t really a thing as niether Lucic nor Chiasson have earned top 6 spots with their play (Chiasson has 1G in two month I believe) and my premise of playing skill with skill, I’d like to see something along the lines of the following:

    Currie/McDavid/Rattie
    Nuge/Drai/Gagner
    Rieder/Malone/Chiasson
    Lucic/Brodz/Kass

    This would be the first time all season that they tried Nuge with Drai besides power play. Would love to see if they could put out two scoring lines. Really surprising we haven’t seen it yet.

    Khaira might have a hairline fracture in his foot. His season could be over.

  21. Durag says:

    If ever there was a reason to play the 3 big centres on separate lines, it’s the fact that your other options are Cave, Malone and Brodziak.

  22. Justthestatsman says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    What I found surprising was Rishaug saying he wasn’t sure if Sekera would be playing tonight. That seems crazy if it’s true.

  23. tileguy says:

    Coiler:
    Top 4 D on the roster doesn’t look too bad. The rest of it however, looks like a dog’s lunch.

    I know there is a purgatory for hockey players who have rubbed certain people the wrong way. The ones that never get a chance out of training camp, never get called up no matter what they do, don’t get drafted, etc..

    I’m curious to know if there is a such a place for one Mr Peter Chiarelli. The man who single-handedly destroyed a franchise and set them back 3 years with his astute signings and trades.

    The man probably tried to do his best given the instructions he received. I do not think he deliberately set out to sink this franchise. You have to look higher as to the reasons for failure.

  24. Sierra says:

    smellyglove:
    LT, if you had an opportunity to ask Bob two questions, on the air, what would you query?

    Don’t know about the second question, but the first would be “what did you mean by Oilers culture, how do you define it?”

  25. elgruntus says:

    I used to watch WWE/F as a youngin’. With the advent of this internet thing, insider knowledge became more entertaining than the product in the ring. I eventually lost interest completely.

    Sad to say, history has a chance of repeating itself. Shame that I’d rather read a blog about the Oilers than watch them.

    Having said that, I’d love to see an interview with ChiaPete. Not that he doesnt deserve the scorn, but the tire tracks on his back must be getting itchy.

    Now, what about the red Wine Summit? Salo’s wife and Comrie? Pronger and the weathergirl? Hall in rehab? Souray/Horcoff/Moreau/Ferrence/Belenger exit interviews? Has it come to this?

    Heavy Sigh…. At least I can remember the 80’s

    Thank you Lowetide and all Lowetidians for keeping me interested in this team. What a great community!

  26. flyfish1168 says:

    Oilman99:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Kassian has showed chemistry on top line,has the speed and smarts,don’t forget he played with the Sedins at one time,I wouldn’t be so quick to flush him. It might also help to pump his tires a bit before the deadline,and bring a higher draft pick.

    Or maybe keep him till next year trade deadline, since he still has 1 more year at 1.95

  27. tileguy says:

    Sierra: Don’t know about the second question, but the first would be “what did you mean by Oilers culture, how do you define it?”

    Would also love to know what the plan was, but I really really want to know the dynamics behind the Reinhart trade.

  28. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY 20
    SJS 18
    VGK 7

    Central
    WPG 17
    NSH 12
    STL 9

    Wildcard
    DAL 5
    MIN 1

    Out of playoffs
    COL 0
    CHI -1
    VAN -1
    ARI -2
    ANA -4 Heavy
    EDM -5 Hockey
    LAK -7 Foreva!

  29. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Eastern Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Atlantic
    TBY 34
    BOS 18
    TOR 17

    Metropolitan
    NYI 18
    WSH 13
    CBJ 11

    Wildcard
    MTL 10
    PIT 10

    Out of playoffs
    CAR 9
    BUF 5
    PHI 4
    FLA 1
    NYR 0
    NJD -5
    DET -6
    OTT -10

    Relevant games today:

    BUF at FLA (FLA -135)
    PIT at NJD (PIT -170)
    NYR at CAR (CAR -210)
    CBJ at MTL (MTL -125)

  30. anjinsan says:

    Attribution of blame to the OBC is unfounded in light of the fact that Chiarelli’s actions were exactly as he’s always done — trades, contracts, team vision.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    Noon eastern – who claimed Brandon Manning?

    Come on Benning, you know you want to.

  32. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Elliotte Friedman
    @FriedgeHNIC
    ·
    Feb 19
    Manning clears

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    Manning cleared waivers – no shock!

  34. Silver Streak says:

    smellyglove:
    Coiler,

    I always wonder what happens to Executive cast-offs too. Tambo, Chia, etc.

    Too bad they’re not OBC, job for life.

    I bumped into Chia over the weekend at the Winter games in Red Deer…he was hanging with the scouts ( around 150 of them here )…he is well connected and liked in that community. I wonder if he was there as a patron….or if he is employed by another organization…and if so, is he double dipping ?

  35. Woodguy v2.0 says:


    WILL BRANDON MANNING CLEAR?

    I’d bet Woodguy’s house on it.

    @FriedgeHNIC
    5m5 minutes ago

    Manning clears

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Manning immediately assigned to the Condors.

  37. Yeti says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    WILL BRANDON MANNING CLEAR?


    I’d bet Woodguy’s house on it.

    @FriedgeHNIC
    5m5 minutes ago

    Manning clears

    Just as well. Woodguy’s house is made of sticks and the big bad wolf of Oiler incompetence could simply huff, puff and blow it to the ground.

  38. Hemsky is a gangsta says:

    Hemsky is a gangsta,

    Here’s the Nicholson interview: https://www.cbc.ca/listen/shows/edmonton-am/segment/15671238

    Connolly asked him some tough questions.

  39. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    WILL BRANDON MANNING CLEAR?


    I’d bet Woodguy’s house on it.

    – Whose house? RUN’s house.

  40. Drew says:

    Oilman99:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Kassian has showed chemistry on top line,has the speed and smarts,don’t forget he played with the Sedins at one time,I wouldn’t be so quick to flush him. It might also help to pump his tires a bit before the deadline,and bring a higher draft pick.

    Bobburger should be ashamed to state that in public. Yes he needs to go too

  41. leadfarmer says:

    Yeti: Just as well. Woodguy’s house is made of sticks and the big bad wolf of Oiler incompetence could simply huff, puff and blow it to the ground.

    Woodguys house is made of pitchforks he re-purposed

  42. godot10 says:

    Oilman99:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Kassian has showed chemistry on top line,has the speed and smarts,don’t forget he played with the Sedins at one time,I wouldn’t be so quick to flush him. It might also help to pump his tires a bit before the deadline,and bring a higher draft pick.

    He flies the d-zone before McDavid. Which is why that line is racking up goals against at a torrid place.

    McDavid should be playing with defensively responsible players (preferably who can make and receive a pass, and who have speed). Kassian is NOT that.

    I can live with it if it they are attempting to pump and dump Kassian.

  43. Munny says:

    Silver Streak: I bumped into Chia over the weekend at the Winter games in Red Deer…he was hanging with the scouts ( around 150 of them here )…he is well connected and liked in that community. I wonder if he was there as a patron….or if he is employed by another organization…and if so, is he double dipping ?

    Scouts love the anti-analytics, pro eye-test guys, don’t they?

  44. OriginalPouzar says:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Rieder-RNH-Gagner
    Lucic-Cave-Chiasson
    Rattie-Brodziak-Currie
    Malone

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Sekera-Benning
    Gravel-Petrovic

    Currie on the fourth line – unbelievable – what good is that? How is this offensive player supposed to make an impact playing with Brodziak?

    At least Gagner is getting minutes with an offensive player.

    Nice to see Benning back – that Sekera/Benning pair should be a very good third pairing.

  45. Drew says:

    leadfarmer: Woodguys house is made of pitchforks he re-purposed

    Shhhh…. i heard he used concrete and steel to build his house. From a reliable source!!! Fookin hypocrite. 😃

  46. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Who is Manning taking ice time from in BAK now?

    Jones, Lagesson, Bear, Day, Captain Keegan Lowe, or Ryan Stanton?

    Sheesh this trade was so good on all levels

  47. Andy Dufresne says:

    Hemsky is a gangsta,

    Thank you for the link. Enjoyed listening to it.

    Nicholson still sounds mildly delusional.
    Some of it is his job to be positive in public.
    But much of it still very vague about the real issues: Like the Lucic contract, the cap constraints; how long the current re-tool will take, etc.

    He speaks like he believes that we are a tweak or two away from being in the playoffs next year.

    He speaks very little about the organizational structure and his personal responsibility for the current state of affairs.

    To his credit he does mention (when prompted) that analytics will/should play a larger role moving forward including in the assessment of the skillset of a new GM. He also mentions that they will be leaving prospects in the AHL longer and also the need to surround McDavid with quality linemates.

    Good questioning by MarK Connolly. Stronger line of questioning than most we hear. But still no where near strong enough. (part of the dance media members have to engage in, must feel less than virtuous at times)

  48. LMHF#1 says:

    Machado to the Padres…hahaha. Have fun playing for nothing! Very glad my Yankees dodged that bullet.

    It’s fun cheering for a team that knows what it’s doing 90% of the time. Used to be that way with the Eskimos too…

  49. Munny says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Nobody yet.

    They may have made the move to make him more tradeable, dunno.

  50. LMHF#1 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Who is Manning taking ice time from in BAK now?

    Jones, Lagesson, Bear, Day, Captain Keegan Lowe, or Ryan Stanton?

    Sheesh this trade was so good on all levels

    Why bother playing him?

  51. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: Currie on the fourth line – unbelievable – what good is that? How is this offensive player supposed to make an impact playing with Brodziak?

    This is Hitch.

    This is a losing lineup.

  52. Alpine says:

    Colby Cave as the 3C is just so sad and yet so funny at the same time.

    Imagine looking at the 2017-18 Oilers and thinking there’s no way this forward group could be worse.

    Well, It’s definitely worse.

    Actually, so is the D and goaltending. And the PK.

    Terrific job by everyone involved.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Friedman:

    12. Edmonton’s held firm on Jesse Puljujarvi so far, not jumping at lowball trade attempts. But the Oilers know they’ve got a very unhappy player.

    —————

    Let’s get him to the Bake for the rest of the year and re-set.

    He’ll be much happier next year when he’s a better player and producing in the top 6 of the Oilers lineup.

  54. Bag of Pucks says:

    Watching this org waste Connor McDavid is like watching someone restore a classic Model T with bondo and spraybombs.

  55. Oilpower says:

    Does anyone know why the Nuge and Dri never play together? Logically it would seem this would be the best way to get a second line that is a threat to score and play against top competition. Or have they played together and not done well? just wondering.

  56. YKOil says:

    tileguy: The man probably tried to do his best given the instructions he received. I do not think he deliberately set out to sink this franchise. You have to look higher as to the reasons for failure.

    Re: instructions received – agreed. When winning is treated as a matter of immediacy, like a tap that can be turned on, rather than a matter of process then all sorts of ills enter the building.

    Re: Chiarelli’s role – do not agree. He earned every bit of scorn he is getting and then some. Did he deliberately sabotage the franchise, of course not, but his inability to learn from his mistakes and push back on the ‘win now’ certainly did sabotage the franchise.

    Was reading up on the Chosin reservoir battle of the Korean war lately; Chiarelli played the role of Almond well. We await our O.P. Smith.

  57. Professor Q says:

    LMHF#1:
    Machado to the Padres…hahaha. Have fun playing for nothing! Very glad my Yankees dodged that bullet.

    It’s fun cheering for a team that knows what it’s doing 90% of the time. Used to be that way with the Eskimos too…

    The Yankees don’t really need to know what they’re doing, to be fair.

    They have enough money to cover it all.

  58. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: Woodguys house is made of pitchforks he re-purposed

    Correct

  59. dernf says:

    LMHF#1,

    Maybe in 2019, but the Padres are going to be a force for many years starting in about 2 seasons. That farm system is the best in the MLB, add Machado to the mix. Yowza.

  60. Alpine says:

    Oilpower,

    Yeah I think their results have been poor together. Think they’re like 40% CF this season Not much of a sample size though. In previous seasons, they’re over 50% together so maybe we should try it again.

  61. fifthcartel says:

    Friedman was on the 2 Mutt’s Podcast and it was heavy on Oilers content. I’ve transcribed some Oilers stuff in case others are interested.

    Friedman says he wrote that ‘the old Oilers thing’ is overblown but he had some real pushback on that.

    Hitchcock had a lot to do with some recent moves because the run he went on earlier.

    Friedman thinks Chiarelli had a lot of autonomy.

    When Coffey was brought in that was a case of interference.

    Whoever coming in is going to ask questions – who do I have to keep.

    The way the Oilers do things behind the scenes is going to get a lot of questions.

    Thinks Chia was never blocked or didn’t want to do moves.

    “I think they know who they want to talk to,” names Kelly McCrimmon. Mark Hunter. Mike Futa. John Ferguson Jr. Ron Hextall. Laurence Gilman. Mike Gillis. Brandon Pridham. Billy Zito.

    Says they’ll try to speak to someone from Toronto.

    Thinks they’ll have to wait until after the playoffs, but if they wanted to go with Hunter it could/would be immediate.

    “I wouldn’t be surprised if Keith Gretzky comes under consideration too”
    – Says the name works against him
    – He did a good job with some salary cap moves
    – “I think the pressure on them to start all over is enormous. There is a crisis of consumer confidence and I just think the pressure on them to go outside is going to be very hard for them not to do it.”
    – They’ve made multiple decisions that didn’t work, and they need to look at their overarching process
    – They’re going to need a fresh start.

    “Puljujarvi I think wants to be traded”

    McDavid thinks his job is to play and doesn’t want to be a guy to dictate what they do.

    Biggest question is how long till McDavid gets fed up. They have to get this right, eventually 97 will say he’s had enough.

    “I think the one thing with Puljujarvi he is a guy teams outside the playoffs might be interested in.” Has a chance to be done before the deadline.

    Friedman says if he were the Oilers GM he’d find out if Taylor Hall is available. “If he’s going to free agency, my plan is to bring Taylor Hall back.”

    – – – – –

    What I took from this podcast was the Oilers realize how angry the fanbase is, but they also seem to really like Keith Gretzky and would probably hire him if the fanbase wasn’t as pissed off. I’m convinced that would be a PR nightmare.

    I’m happy to hear they want to talk to the Toronto guys, less so on Hunter/Ferguson.

    Link to the podcast: https://twitter.com/2MuttsPodcast/status/1097370862129315841

  62. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    “Rieder-RNH-Gagner
    Lucic-Cave-Chiasson
    Rattie-Brodziak-Currie”

    0 Goals – RNH – AHL reclaim project
    DONE – Waiver Add – Regression to norm
    TWEENER – DONE – AHL Call Up

    When McDavid hops on the bench; these are the Options.

    THIS IS US

  63. Sierra says:

    jtblack:
    OriginalPouzar,

    “Rieder-RNH-Gagner
    Lucic-Cave-Chiasson
    Rattie-Brodziak-Currie”

    0 Goals – RNH – AHL reclaim project
    DONE – Waiver Add – Regression to norm
    TWEENER – DONE – AHL Call Up

    When McDavid hops on the bench; these are the Options.

    THIS IS US

    ELPH!!!

  64. Shane says:

    fifthcartel,

    Thanks for transcribing. Interesting stuff..

  65. Professor Q says:

    dernf:
    LMHF#1,

    Maybe in 2019, but the Padres are going to be a force for many years starting in about 2 seasons. That farm system is the best in the MLB, add Machado to the mix. Yowza.

    Don’t count out the Brewers, either.

  66. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think its time to stop the facade of “earning” top 6 play. There are three players on the team that have
    earned top 6 minutes – Leon, Connor and Nuge – noone else.

    I have never agreed with you more.

  67. digger50 says:

    Oilman99:
    Hemsky is a gangsta,

    Nicholson should have been on the same train as Chia.more house cleaning is required, the incompetence is mind boggling.

    Absolutely agree.

    Last year Katz was upset and rightly so. He was talked off the ledge. We would un derstand once we knew the plan. We don’t want to appear as an “unstable” organization. Keep coach and GM.

    Everybody could see the train wreck coming. Except Bob.

    His call to go with new assistant coaches and that’s it. He let it play out and the cost has been heavy.

    The train wreck has arrived. Bob, what’s the plan now? This wasted season is on you.

  68. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Also, another thing today, the potential for Brandon Manning to be claimed off waivers and relieve the Oilers of his cap commitment for next season. Now, Vancouver only has 6 d-men on their roster and only 2 left shot D……..

    Of course, the chances of a claim are minuscule, however, until the official word comes that he’s cleared, I will hold out a tiny bit of hope.

    IIRC Manning was considered untradeable by the league besides Chiarelli. There was no chance he was going to get claimed.

  69. foster says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar,

    What makes Currie an “offensive player”. Kassian’s junior stats were far superior to Currie’s and Kassian was scoring goals in the NHL when Currie was grinding it out in the ECHL. We should be upset if McDavid were playing with this career minor leaguer. Maybe Malone should be on McDavid’s other wing.

  70. Munny says:

    fifthcartel,

    This was a chunk of work, Thank you!

  71. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    On the premise that “earning it” isn’t really a thing as niether Lucic nor Chiasson have earned top 6 spots with their play (Chiasson has 1G in two month I believe) and my premise of playing skill with skill, I’d like to see something along the lines of the following:

    Currie/McDavid/Rattie
    Nuge/Drai/Gagner
    Rieder/Malone/Chiasson
    Lucic/Brodz/Kass

    What did Kassian do to deserve that? 7pts in his last 10 games gets him from top line to purgatory?

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Currie-Nuge-Gagner
    Reider-Malone-Rattie
    Lucic-Brodziak-Chiasson

  72. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think its time to stop the facade of “earning” top 6 play. There are three players on the team that have
    earned top 6 minutes – Leon, Connor and Nuge – noone else.

    QualComp is a very real thing. Virtually no team places a call-up in the top 6 from the get-go. What you want to see is the occasional PP2 shift, but game states tend to dictate that opportunity.

  73. jtblack says:

    “This is a mess. That’s a fact. ”

    +1

  74. OmJo says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – It’s amazing.Were it true, Bob fails to see how that’s not on Chia but the Org

    – But it’s actually not true

    – They really do as an organization believe that they are just a better GM away from taking them to the promise land.What an amazing lie told by Bob, spinning a narrative:

    These are quotes from the GM re: analytics.Bob throwing him under the bus, wow,he has no clue:

    “He ranked second (among NHL defencemen) last year in passes leading to (offensive zone) entries,” Chiarelli said Tuesday from Buffalo. “With his skating and effective shot blocking, there are numbers that go the other way from traditional Corsi.”

    “There are a lot of positive Corsi guys who are not good players, and there are some negative relative Corsi guys who are very good players,” said Chiarelli. “Kris, he’s been a gritty defender all his life. His positives (Chiarelli tracks decisions that turn out both negatively and positively) when he’s moving the puck are the best on our team.”

    “Using the analytics as supplementary information — and the eye test — he passes muster significantly. That’s from 20 years of experience,” the GM said. “He’s a very good transitional defenceman and skater, and that bears out on his stats from the entry stat. And the eye test.”

    These are all quotes from the same press conference though, no?

    Maybe he was just regurgitating what Russell’s agent was telling him during negotiations to justify the contract.

  75. OmJo says:

    Coiler: I’m curious to know if there is a such a place for one Mr Peter Chiarelli. The man who single-handedly destroyed a franchise and set them back 3 years with his astute signings and trades.

    TSN’s NHL panel?

  76. tileguy says:

    Professor Q: Don’t count out the Brewers, either.

    My eyes and ears will be on Vladys son, Jr. I’m super excited.

  77. jtblack says:

    Watching Connor chase down the Art Ross last year, made te last 20 games interesting.

    Unfortunately, seems like Kucherov is too far gone now.

    Last 20 – 25 games will be about?

    REGGIE
    MIKKO
    LEON & 50
    BAKERSFIELD

  78. OmJo says:

    tileguy: The man probably tried to do his best given the instructions he received. I do not think he deliberately set out to sink this franchise. You have to look higher as to the reasons for failure.

    I’m still convinced he was Bettman’s agent and his job was to get McDavid to leave Edmonton for Arizona.

  79. OmJo says:

    anjinsan:
    Attribution of blame to the OBC is unfounded in light of the fact that Chiarelli’s actions were exactly as he’s always done — trades, contracts, team vision.

    We were talking about the Bruinification of the Oilers since he got here.

  80. Psyche says:

    The 12-minute interview of Bob Nicholson by CBC’s Mark Connolly was terrific! He must not be too worried about getting more interviews from the Oilers’ management consortium. Connolly asked tough question and made honest comments about the team and managements’ decision making. He concluded by asking Nicholson if his job is on the line (the paraphrased response was that ‘Mr. Katz is the only one who could answer that question’).

    https://www.cbc.ca/listen/shows/edmonton-am/segment/15671238

  81. tileguy says:

    OmJo: TSN’s NHL panel?

    Lol, or a seat next to Mr. Burke.

  82. texmex says:

    fifthcartel: Friedman says if he were the Oilers GM he’d find out if Taylor Hall is available. “If he’s going to free agency, my plan is to bring Taylor Hall back.”

    This has been brought up a few times. Stauffer has mentioned it as well, particularly if Hall goes to UFA.

    Hall will be 28 at the end of his deal. He will get a 7 year deal (if CBA stays the same) @ 10million+.

    Not sure when Hall’s proverbial “cliff” happens, but he has been injury prone. Not sure I’d sign him to that kind of deal.

    Just spit ballin’, procrastinating at work.

  83. Oddspell says:

    According to 31 thoughts, Oilers have checked in on Marcus Johansson.

    I think he’d be a great linemate for Connor. A pending UFA though?

  84. dernf says:

    Professor Q,

    Agreed, they are good now and boast 2 prospects in fangraphs top 30. Pretty likeable bunch too, if you ask me.

  85. LMHF#1 says:

    dernf:
    LMHF#1,

    Maybe in 2019, but the Padres are going to be a force for many years starting in about 2 seasons. That farm system is the best in the MLB, add Machado to the mix. Yowza.

    They’re a franchise that has a gift for screwing that up and/or no incentive ala the Pirates.

    I’m not exactly concerned about 2 years from now…my team is locked and loaded for that time period with dollars and prospects to burn. I am in favor of signing Harper though…40/year over the short porch would help add to the WS count.

  86. dernf says:

    tileguy,

    Can’t wait.

    Tough for the Blue Jays in that AL East… Rays have a special group of prospects and the Yanks and Red Sox have enough money to buy good teams for years to come. Plus, the Yankees fast forwarded their ‘rebuild’ dealing two relievers and subsequently re-signing one. It would be easy to praise those moves if I wasn’t so sick of that organization.

    Hopefully Vladdy, Bichette and Jansen can give them a core to build around. Should be fun to watch.

  87. Bad Seed says:

    Oddspell:
    According to 31 thoughts, Oilers have checked in on Marcus Johansson.

    Marcus Johansson on finding out Oilers have checked in on him….

    Oh no!

  88. Jethro Tull says:

    Oddspell:
    According to 31 thoughts, Oilers have checked in on Marcus Johansson.

    Wrong Larsson, wrong Johans(so)en. Just…….wrong.

  89. dernf says:

    LMHF#1,

    Prospects certainly aren’t a sure thing, and that franchise has found ways to mess things up before. I’m pulling for them, but we’ll see.

    Your boys looks good. All in on the next few years. Exciting time to be a Yanks fan. I’m a Jays and Tigers fan, outside of Vladdy and a handful of other prospects, my optimism will be kept in check. At least for now.

  90. Nit64 says:

    Bad Seed: Marcus Johansson on finding out Oilers have checked in on him….

    Oh no!

    Oiler staff “developing” Mr. B.

    https://youtu.be/mS8IRiUFHKg

  91. SwedishPoster says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Rieder-RNH-Gagner
    Lucic-Cave-Chiasson
    Rattie-Brodziak-Currie
    Malone

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Sekera-Benning
    Gravel-Petrovic

    Currie on the fourth line – unbelievable – what good is that?How is this offensive player supposed to make an impact playing with Brodziak?

    At least Gagner is getting minutes with an offensive player.

    Nice to see Benning back – that Sekera/Benning pair should be a very good third pairing.

    I don’t see a problem with Currie on the fourth, if he is to find an NHL role it’s almost certainly in the bottom six so why not play him there? If he beats the odds, I mean he’s done it before, and shows enough ability to be a top six option then he can be moved up the ladder. This is different than guys like Yamamoto or Pulju where they should be groomed for top 6 duty and really not be in the league until they can at least play consistently well in the top 9 with PP.
    My concern is more that Hitch will play Currie for 3 minutes and then deem him not NHL quality before given a proper chance.
    Really hope he can stick, have to love a good story.

  92. Oddspell says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Johansson is a good mix of speed, skill and brains. I actually think he’s an excellent target. Seems like a guy who would have heaps of chemistry with McDavid.

    Now if he was only actually signed long term…

  93. tileguy says:

    dernf,

    No expectations, but like you said, fun to watch.

  94. Coiler says:

    OmJo: TSN’s NHL panel?

    Ugh…Chiarelli beside Dreger. Frick and Frack talking and bumbling along like they’re a couple of experts and ‘insiders’. The idea makes me want to vomit.

    fifthcartel:
    Friedman was on the 2 Mutt’s Podcast and it was heavy on Oilers content. I’ve transcribed some Oilers stuff in case others are interested.

    I’m happy to hear they want to talk to the Toronto guys, less so on Hunter/Ferguson.

    Link to the podcast: https://twitter.com/2MuttsPodcast/status/1097370862129315841

    Talking to or even considering Ferguson would be the biggest and most monumental mistake this organization could make. Nothing he did or has done could ever remotely suggest he would be a capable GM. His time as Toronto’s GM was disastrous and he was nothing more than a mouthpiece for the corporate board at MLSE. Err….wait a minute…he would be perfect for Edmonton’s culture and would likely drink the water like it was Kool-Aid. Sign him up!

  95. SwedishPoster says:

    Oddspell:
    According to 31 thoughts, Oilers have checked in on Marcus Johansson.

    I think he’d be a great linemate for Connor. A pending UFA though?

    I actually thought about him as a free agent target this summer. Might fly a bit under the radar with all the big forward names heading to free agency which might keep his price tag at an ok level, I would avoid paying him big dollars as he’s very much a complementary piece.
    He’s a middle sixer if he’s the main guy or even second best on his line really but can play with skill, strong pp guy, would probably be a nice fit with any of our three top centers and enough wheels to keep up somewhat with Connor. Don’t see why you would trade for him as his contract runs out though. Let him go on playoff run and sign him during off season.

  96. Richard S.S. says:

    Adjusting to a new Team can be difficult taking as many three months to occur. Whatever we get from Sam Gagner is free. He will get his points. I believe he’ll be better next year. Reajusting to a Team you are coming back from severe injuries can be a daunting test. It could take a few weeks to get up to speed again. I think at least 80% comes back with more next year.

  97. fifthcartel says:

    Coiler,

    Friedman mentioned JFJ connection to Keith Gretzky, which is ridiculous to me. K. Gretzky should have zero impact on the new GM.

  98. Nit64 says:

    fifthcartel:
    Coiler,

    Friedman mentioned JFJ connection to Keith Gretzky, which is ridiculous to me. K. Gretzky should have zero impact on the new GM.

    ~ “J. F.” Jacques. Now we’re talking ~

  99. JamesL says:

    When Brad Malone leaves, can we have an LT post titled “Post Malone” please?

    Thank you and that is my quarterly LT comments section input.

  100. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Hemsky is a gangsta:
    Anyone catch Bob Nicholson on CBC AM radio this morning? Apparently he said Chiarelli didn’t use analytics. I thought he used his own off brand analytics that suggested Kris Russell was a great puck moving d-man! Anyway, it should be up on the CBC radio website soon enough.

    That would explain the love of gritensity, the eye registers that type of play easily, skating around hard and banging things.

    Banging also distracts the eye from noticing the puck went up ice, the wrong way.

  101. Bag of Pucks says:

    It’s heartening to hear the OBC is feeling some heat to bring in someone without ties to ‘the culture’ but in all honestly, unless they give the new GM the ability to hire & fire, how they can really hope to land a superior candidate.

    Can you imagine the first day? Let me introduce you to your colleagues. Bob Green, loved Griffin Reinhart! Scott Howson, loved Nikita Nikitin. You’re going to want to lean on these gents for intel on amateur and pro scouting. Craig MacTavish. Fired Ralph Krueger in a backstabbing move worthy of Brutus so be sure to count on Craig for any ‘dirty work.’ And here’s Kevin Lowe. He once lost out on future Hart Trophy winner Cory Perry because of a personal vendetta with Mike Comrie, challenged Brian Burke to a fight, banished Oiler legend Ryan Smyth over some chump change, and knows a thing or two about winning and tier two fans. So be sure to sound out Kevin on everything fron trades to contract negotiations to fan relations.

    Lastly the red phone is a direct line to Mr Katz. We dont hear from him much since the Yakupov debacle. Of course there’s the odd red wine summit but you’re not on the invite list for those so no worries there.

  102. Eh Team says:

    Psyche: The 12-minute interview of Bob Nicholson by CBC’s Mark Connolly was terrific! He must not be too worried about getting more interviews from the Oilers’ management consortium. Connolly asked tough question and made honest comments about the team and managements’ decision making. He concluded by asking Nicholson if his job is on the line (the paraphrased response was that ‘Mr. Katz is the only one who could answer that question’).

    It’s pretty sad if Nicholson is what passes as a ‘competent’ NHL executive. Connolly should have asked him about the quality of their player evaluation, considering recent acquisitions like Spooner and Manning passed through waivers soon after they were acquired.

  103. Durag says:

    Johansson would be a nice get if he is willing to take a pay cut, which he should be based on his production in NJ. If he would take Sam Gagner money, then at least we have 2 complimentary guys who can conceivably play in the top 6 on reasonable contracts.

  104. LMHF#1 says:

    dernf:
    LMHF#1,

    Prospects certainly aren’t a sure thing, and that franchise has found ways to mess things up before. I’m pulling for them, but we’ll see.

    Your boys looks good. All in on the next few years. Exciting time to be a Yanks fan. I’m a Jays and Tigers fan, outside of Vladdy and a handful of other prospects, my optimism will be kept in check. At least for now.

    I hope for Vlad’s sake that some of the pressure is taken off. Watching the TO media pile on a guy who hasn’t had an MLB at-bat as the saviour of that franchise in baseball’s toughest division…oh boy…

  105. PinkSocks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Sekera-Benning

    This is a playoff D if Sekera is healthy.

    OriginalPouzar:
    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Rieder-RNH-Gagner
    Lucic-Cave-Chiasson
    Rattie-Brodziak-Currie
    Malone

    This is an AHL group save for the 3 centres and Kassian. It is literally an AHL group. How are 9/13 forwards AHL caliber?

    Rieder – 0 goals
    Gagner – spent the season in the AHL
    Lucic – if he had a different contract he would be in the AHL
    Cave – AHL
    Chiasson – had he not went on a heater he would be unemployed
    Rattie – AHL tweener
    Brodziak – AHL quality
    Currie – AHL
    Malone – AHL

    This is just so disgraceful and sad to look at.

  106. PinkSocks says:

    foster:
    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar,

    What makes Currie an “offensive player”. Kassian’s junior stats were far superior to Currie’s and Kassian was scoring goals in the NHL when Currie was grinding it out in the ECHL.We should be upset if McDavid were playing with this career minor leaguer. Maybe Malone should be on McDavid’s other wing.

    See: Gourde, Yanni

  107. OmJo says:

    Personally I’m so glad they didn’t give Chiasson a 4×4 contract before firing Chiarelli

  108. Professor Q says:

    LMHF#1: I hope for Vlad’s sake that some of the pressure is taken off. Watching the TO media pile on a guy who hasn’t had an MLB at-bat as the saviour of that franchise in baseball’s toughest division…oh boy…

    Especially when he showed up to camp looking like Dustin Penner, high at 2 a.m. in an IHOP.

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benning officially activated. Looking forward to that 3rd pairing tonight.

    Very good third pairing potential.

  110. Bank Shot says:

    JamesL:
    https://www.cbc.ca/listen/shows/edmonton-am/segment/15671238

    ^Link to Nicholson interview.

    Sounds like a complete tool to me.

    I hate the way the higher ups in the Oilers org constantly refer to players as assets.

    I think, they think it sounds professional, but it really just makes them sound like knobs.

  111. Jordan says:

    Psyche:
    The 12-minute interview of Bob Nicholson by CBC’s Mark Connolly was terrific! He must not be too worried about getting more interviews from the Oilers’ management consortium. Connolly asked tough question and made honest comments about the team and managements’ decision making. He concluded by asking Nicholson if his job is on the line (the paraphrased response was that ‘Mr. Katz is the only one who could answer that question’).

    https://www.cbc.ca/listen/shows/edmonton-am/segment/15671238

    Well, to be fair, he does acknowledge that the lack of process when the organization hired Chiarelli was an issue and likely contributed to his ultimate firing (extremely reluctantly, but he does it!).

    Also interesting that he states he’s not interviewed anyone for the GM job yet, but is still seeking opinions about what makes a good GM and what characteristics would be necessary for a GM in Edmonton specifically.

    Glad to see they have a solid position description, qualifications and experiential assets all set out so they can easily separate the wheat from the chaff…

    I have a great deal of difficulty believing that the other 30 teams will provide useful / helpful assistance in helping hire a new Oilers GM. What’s the incentive? Having CMD on a good team? Making their job harder? It doesn’t make sense.

  112. PinkSocks says:

    OmJo:
    Personally I’m so glad they didn’t give Chiasson a 4×4 contract before firing Chiarelli

    Small victories

  113. Pescador says:

    Professor Q: Especially when he showed up to camp looking like Dustin Penner, high at 2 a.m. in an IHOP.

    That’s what they get for opening up training at 2am

  114. Pescador says:

    PinkSocks: This is a playoff D if Sekera is healthy.

    This is an AHL group save for the 3 centres and Kassian.It is literally an AHL group. How are 9/13 forwards AHL caliber?

    Rieder – 0 goals
    Gagner – spent the season in the AHL
    Lucic – if he had a different contract he would be in the AHL
    Cave – AHL
    Chiasson – had he not went on a heater he would be unemployed
    Rattie – AHL tweener
    Brodziak – AHL quality
    Currie – AHL
    Malone – AHL

    This is just so disgraceful and sad to look at.

    Yep, 1 quibble tho:
    Klefbom – Larsson
    Nurse – Sekera
    Russell – Benning.

    Russell is a 3rd pairing D man, he just is

  115. Bag of Pucks says:

    Jordan: Well, to be fair, he does acknowledge that the lack of process when the organization hired Chiarelli was an issue and likely contributed to his ultimate firing (extremely reluctantly, but he does it!).

    Also interesting that he states he’s not interviewed anyone for the GM job yet, but is still seeking opinions about what makes a good GM and what characteristics would be necessary for a GM in Edmonton specifically.

    Glad to see they have a solid position description, qualifications and experiential assets all set out so they can easily separate the wheat from the chaff…

    I have a great deal of difficulty believing that the other 30 teams will provide useful / helpful assistance in helping hire a new Oilers GM.What’s the incentive?Having CMD on a good team?Making their job harder?It doesn’t make sense.

    The simple fact that they need outside consultation to write the job spec shows that Bobby Burgers is in way over his head with this hire.

    They can’t start to identify solutions because they don’t fully understand everything they’re doing wrong yet.

    The good news is they have ‘the culture’ piece sorted. In case you’re curious as to what that means, it’s aptly encapsulated as ‘Nice guys finish last!’

  116. PinkSocks says:

    Jordan:

    …is still seeking opinions about what makes a good GM and what characteristics would be necessary for a GM in Edmonton specifically.

    Seeking opinions? If Bob doesn’t know what it takes then someone else should be in his position.

    What makes Edmonton special that it needs a specific GM? By that reasoning, what works in another Canadian city should work in Edmonton.

    Vancouver – Benning – I am of the opinion that he is a fool, but results are there on the west coast this year, far earlier than expected. Still does not forgive him for the Rousell and Beagle contracts.

    Calgary (spits) – Treliving – Looks like a fucking genius right about now. Top guys are all on terrific contracts, the Hamilton trade looks impressive now. Good thing he signed Neal and does not have that extra ~$6m in cap space to add something really impressive.

    Winnipeg – Cheveldayoff – Use him as the example. Whoever mirrors his characteristics, hire him.

    Ottawa – Dorion – get the exact opposite of this individual.

    Toronto (spits) – Dubas – If money is on it I’d bet he crashes and burns; the next 12 months with RFA signings will determine his legacy. So far he has overpaid Matthews , and Nylander has been a $7m mess.

    Montreal – Bergevin – see Dorion.

    One Canadian city GM stands out above the rest, two if you include Treliving.

    The culture bullshit is infuriating to listen to. A position needs to be filled, hire the best talent. Interview them all, but it comes down to who you think can be the next Cheveldayoff or Poile or Yzerman or Kekalainen.

    I promise it won’t be Nonis, and it wont be JFJ.

  117. PinkSocks says:

    Pescador: Yep, 1 quibble tho:
    Klefbom– Larsson
    Nurse – Sekera
    Russell – Benning.

    Russell is a 3rd pairing D man, he just is

    We agree. Your D lineup is better.

  118. Ulfstroem says:

    Any rumors about Burakovsky? Would be terrific besides Connor I think. Maybe they want Chiasson back for their run?

  119. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    PinkSocks:

    This is an AHL group save for the 3 centres and Kassian.It is literally an AHL group. How are 9/13 forwards AHL caliber?

    This is just so disgraceful and sad to look at.

    – Let’s hope when they say this is a playoff team, they don’t actually mean it. It’s a tank-team

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    –hudson–: This would be the first time all season that they tried Nuge with Drai besides power play.Would love to see if they could put out two scoring lines.Really surprising we haven’t seen it yet.

    Khaira might have a hairline fracture in his foot.His season could be over.

    Leon and Nuge do have 67 minutes together although only 34 minutes without Connor (so 34 minutes where it wasn’t “loading up the top line” and part of that is probably line change overlap).

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    –hudson–: This would be the first time all season that they tried Nuge with Drai besides power play.Would love to see if they could put out two scoring lines.Really surprising we haven’t seen it yet.

    Khaira might have a hairline fracture in his foot.His season could be over.

    Leon and Nuge do have 67 minutes together although only 34 minutes without Connor (so 34 minutes where it wasn’t “loading up the top line” and part of that is probably line change overlap).

    Of note, in that tiny 34 minute sample – they got caved – like 30% possession, 1GF/3GA.

  122. Hemsky is a gangsta says:

    Jordan,

    Well he doesn’t just have to ask the other 30 GM’s. He could be touching base with guys like John Shannon, Don Cherry, Brian Burke…:)

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish1168: Or maybe keep him till next year trade deadline, since he still has 1 more year at 1.95

    I’m fine with keeping Kassian but, at the same time, if we can get an asset back for him and get rid of the $2M commitment for next year, I think it needs to be done. He is generally a fourth liner on this team and we should be able to till the 4th line winger role for 1/2 the price.

    Of course, if he’s going to be consistently used up the lineup, then maybe he can earn the money, however, if that’s the case, then there likely hasn’t been much improvement in winger depth for next year (which is also likely the case, given cap space – 2 years away).

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: He flies the d-zone before McDavid.Which is why that line is racking up goals against at a torrid place.

    McDavid should be playing with defensively responsible players (preferably who can make and receive a pass, and who have speed).Kassian is NOT that.

    I can live with it if it they are attempting to pump and dump Kassian.

    I don’t like the line but they have 8GF and 4GA in 80 minutes and sparkling possession numbers.

    Its tough to argue with the recent results.

  125. digger50 says:

    Jordan: Well, to be fair, he does acknowledge that the lack of process when the organization hired Chiarelli was an issue and likely contributed to his ultimate firing (extremely reluctantly, but he does it!).

    Also interesting that he states he’s not interviewed anyone for the GM job yet, but is still seeking opinions about what makes a good GM and what characteristics would be necessary for a GM in Edmonton specifically.

    Glad to see they have a solid position description, qualifications and experiential assets all set out so they can easily separate the wheat from the chaff…

    I have a great deal of difficulty believing that the other 30 teams will provide useful / helpful assistance in helping hire a new Oilers GM.What’s the incentive?Having CMD on a good team?Making their job harder?It doesn’t make sense.

    And I might add, he stated that upon looking into it, he could find only one interview for the GM position was ever completed in Oilers history.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Who is Manning taking ice time from in BAK now?

    Jones, Lagesson, Bear, Day, Captain Keegan Lowe, or Ryan Stanton?

    Sheesh this trade was so good on all levels

    As of now, he’s replacing Sekera.

    Bear continues to be in and out of the lineup with injuries.

    Manning can also rotate with Stanton as a healthy scratch – although Stanton is playing well – so should Manning though – we don’t like the guy but he’ll be a plus AHL d-man.

  127. digger50 says:

    digger50,

    OriginalPouzar: I’m fine with keeping Kassian but, at the same time, if we can get an asset back for him and get rid of the $2M commitment for next year, I think it needs to be done. He is generally a fourth liner on this team and we should be able to till the 4th line winger role for 1/2 the price.

    Of course, if he’s going to be consistently used up the lineup, then maybe he can earn the money, however, if that’s the case, then there likely hasn’t been much improvement in winger depth for next year (which is also likely the case, given cap space – 2 years away).

    Gosh no.

    That thinking may be sound at a different time, but we cannot part with any actual NHLers at the moment. Lets see the other six players replaced first, then get around to the actual NHlers.

  128. Bag of Pucks says:

    A free tip for Bob’s Burgers since he seems to need the help.

    Your beloved ‘culture’ is sorely lacking in accountability. Everyone in Hockey Ops from top to bottom should be able to quantify their function in terms of their impact on the W/L record and they should be able to benchmark their performance in realtime AND iterate to improve constantly. No BS anecdotal ‘6 rings’ dick measuring. No excuses laden post disaster spin.

    Everyone’s function rolls up to a win/loss input. Everyone is aware of how each other is doing. And you compete with each other to pursue excellence. Ya know, like an honest to Gord professional sports franchise.

    Your GM establishes this model and holds everyone accountable to it from scout to trainer to coach to capologist. That is his primary function.

  129. Andy Dufresne says:

    Hemsky is a gangsta:
    Jordan,

    Well he doesn’t just have to ask the other 30 GM’s. He could be touching base with guys like John Shannon, Don Cherry, Brian Burke…:)

    lol……..and lets not forget Kelly Hrudy.

  130. Bank Shot says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m fine with keeping Kassian but, at the same time, if we can get an asset back for him and get rid of the $2M commitment for next year, I think it needs to be done. He is generally a fourth liner on this team and we should be able to till the 4th line winger role for 1/2 the price.

    Of course, if he’s going to be consistently used up the lineup, then maybe he can earn the money, however, if that’s the case, then there likely hasn’t been much improvement in winger depth for next year (which is also likely the case, given cap space – 2 years away).

    Kassian has been a top six winger for this team in terms of ice time this season.

    Where are you going to get 2 wingers better than him to replace him and still save money?

    Hypothetically you can get a million dollar winger to replace Kassian on the 4th line, but who plays on the second and third lines, and what are the odds you get one thats anywhere near as good as Kassian for a million?

    Pretty low IMO. A million dollars will get you Brian Gibbons.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    foster:
    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar,

    What makes Currie an “offensive player”. Kassian’s junior stats were far superior to Currie’s and Kassian was scoring goals in the NHL when Currie was grinding it out in the ECHL.We should be upset if McDavid were playing with this career minor leaguer. Maybe Malone should be on McDavid’s other wing.

    Junior hockey was a long time ago for these players and irrelevant now, in my opinion.

    Kris Russell has fabulous offensive numbers in junior – he is not an offensive player at the NHL level.

    Kassian has some offensive skill, he was a first round pick after all. With that said, his professional career has pretty much proven that he is not a top 6 offence first player – ya, he can produce a bit in small samples with talent but he is more of an “energy player” to me – he is at his best when he’s using his speed to get in on the forecheck and bang bodies and turn pucks over – not playing a rush game with McDavid.

    Currie is a bit of an unknown but I’ve seen enough Condors’ games this year to know that his skill-set is top 6. He is not going to bang bodies and turn pucks over. He’s not going to be defending well through the neutral and defensive zones – his game is a production game.

    Sure, maybe Kass can produce as much or more than Currie on a skill line right now, however, Kass can play a role in the bottom 6 and be effective. Currie is essentially a “scoring winger” or nothing.

    Currie is wasted on the 4th line – will be a non-factor. Kass could be a material factor on that line.

  132. Andy Dufresne says:

    digger50: And I might add, he stated that upon looking into it, he could find only one interview for the GM position was ever completed in Oilers history.

    Well I mean….when you’ve got six stanley cup rings….I mean …..you know a thing or two about hiring GMs

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: What did Kassian do to deserve that? 7pts in his last 10 games gets him from top line to purgatory?

    Just trying to put all players in a spot in the lineup where their skill sets can be used.

    Ya, Kass has done well on the top line, however, he can also do well with Brodz/Lucic – in fact that “Identity LIne” has played well for this team this year.

    Currie will be a non-factor on the 4th line – he needs to be in the top 6 or there is no point in him being in the lineup.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: QualComp is a very real thing.Virtually no team places a call-up in the top 6 from the get-go.What you want to see is the occasional PP2 shift, but game states tend to dictate that opportunity.

    What about Ryan Spooner with Petersson and Boeser?

    Gagner is playing in the top 6 in his second game since recall.

    Rattie last year was called up and place on the top line and succeeded – at least to some degree.

  135. digger50 says:

    I was early on board with trading the first rounder if value is available.

    Or make the first rounder if it looks like an early bird player like a Tkachuk. Then trade the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh for a real player.

    We need to walk away from this draft with actual players.

  136. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    digger50: And I might add, he stated that upon looking into it, he could find only one interview for the GM position was ever completed in Oilers history.

    I was disappointed to hear Bob deflect from the question in that manner.

    What happened prior to your tenure is not your concern, other than from a historical perspective. What matters, is what happens on your watch. And, results are rolling in: it’s not good.

    A true leader would have taken responsibility and not raised the red herring of the organization’s missteps in the past. He could have taken the opportunity to own his mistake doing no due diligence leading up to hiring Pete, and vowed to not make the same mistake again. Which he did eventually try to do, in a very wishy-washy roundabout way. Not a good look.

  137. godot10 says:

    foster:
    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar,

    What makes Currie an “offensive player”. Kassian’s junior stats were far superior to Currie’s and Kassian was scoring goals in the NHL when Currie was grinding it out in the ECHL.We should be upset if McDavid were playing with this career minor leaguer. Maybe Malone should be on McDavid’s other wing.

    Junior hockey is ancient history for Kassian. What you did in junior hockey a decade ago means eff all. Currie has keep on improving. Kassian wasted his early NHL career embracing the off-ice NHL lifestyle of the past, and since he has reformed, is still a pretty useless player because he takes too many penalties, doesn’t protect his teammates, is weak in his own zone, and is lazy on back pressure, and flys the zone earlier than every other Oiler forwardl.

  138. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: What about Ryan Spooner with Petersson and Boeser?

    Gagner is playing in the top 6 in his second game since recall.

    Rattie last year was called up and place on the top line and succeeded – at least to some degree.

    I’m not going to get angry is Spooner plays well. I swear.

    Something was always fishy with Spooner in Edmonton. I think he broke out in a rash the moment he arrived and it went away the moment he left.

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo:
    Personally I’m so glad they didn’t give Chiasson a 4×4 contract before firing Chiarelli

    They gave it (for all intents and purposes) to Koskinen……

  140. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    All three players you mention had NHL experience, some with multiple years of experience as a contributing player.

    At this point in time, Currie is none of these things.

    Ease him in. It’s the right thing to do.

  141. godot10 says:

    Psyche:
    The 12-minute interview of Bob Nicholson by CBC’s Mark Connolly was terrific! He must not be too worried about getting more interviews from the Oilers’ management consortium. Connolly asked tough question and made honest comments about the team and managements’ decision making. He concluded by asking Nicholson if his job is on the line (the paraphrased response was that ‘Mr. Katz is the only one who could answer that question’).

    https://www.cbc.ca/listen/shows/edmonton-am/segment/15671238

    Bob is not a wartime consigliere, that much is clearly evident.

  142. digger50 says:

    godot10: Junior hockey is ancient history for Kassian. What you did in junior hockey a decade ago means eff all.Currie has keep on improving.Kassian wasted his early NHL career embracing the off-ice NHL lifestyle of the past, and since he has reformed, is still a pretty useless player because he takes too many penalties, doesn’t protect his teammates, is weak in his own zone, and is lazy on back pressure, and flys the zone earlier than every other Oiler forwardl.

    And yet……..he’s the best winger we have!

  143. Material Elvis says:

    When asked if his ability to join the NHL on the fly will hinge more on the state of his Achilles tendon, or his mental state, as he takes the ice in a lightning fast stretch run, Sekera responded:

    “It’s 20 per cent down there and 80 per cent in your head”.

    Why am I not hearing him say that it feels 100%? I was told to count on a 100% recovery at this stage by some posters on this site. Sekera’s situation feels eerily similar to my friend whose Achilles didn’t feel totally right until the 8-9 month mark.

  144. digger50 says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey: I was disappointed to hear Bob deflect from the question in that manner.

    What happened prior to your tenure is not your concern, other than from a historical perspective.What matters, is what happens on your watch.And, results are rolling in: it’s not good.

    A true leader would have taken responsibility and not raised the red herring of the organization’s missteps in the past.He could have taken the opportunity to own his mistake doing no due diligence leading up to hiring Pete, and vowed to not make the same mistake again.Which he did eventually try to do, in a very wishy-washy roundabout way.Not a good look.

    I thought the interview questions were good, yet the answers needed follow up questions. The whole thing seemed rushed, interviewer got his list of questions out but nothing too in depth.

  145. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    digger50,

    Trading away draft picks before the expansion draft not only necessitates exposing a player we’d be sore to lose, but diminishes the prospect pipeline which is finally starting to show signs of a pulse.

    I’d rather bide our time until the cap anchor contracts come off the books and build from within in the meantime.

  146. Professor Q says:

    Material Elvis:
    When asked if his ability to join the NHL on the fly will hinge more on the state of his Achilles tendon, or his mental state, as he takes the ice in a lightning fast stretch run, Sekera responded:

    “It’s 20 per cent down there and 80 per cent in your head”.

    Why am I not hearing him say that it feels 100%?I was told to count on a 100% recovery at this stage by some posters on this site.Sekera’s situation feels eerily similar to my friend whose Achilles didn’t feel totally right until the 8-9 month mark.

    Those two things don’t seem equivalent, though. He’s saying that to get back you need your mindset the most, an 80-20 split between the physical part (less important).

  147. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    digger50,

    Agreed, the questions were of a much higher level of quality than we’re typically disappointed with from our local media.

    Point still stands… Bob took the easy way out by deflecting with a red herring, begging off the ineptitude of previous regimes instead of straight up owning his lack of due diligence for putting the team in this current pickle.

  148. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Rieder-RNH-Gagner
    Lucic-Cave-Chiasson
    Rattie-Brodziak-Currie
    Malone

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Sekera-Benning
    Gravel-Petrovic

    Currie on the fourth line – unbelievable – what good is that?How is this offensive player supposed to make an impact playing with Brodziak?

    At least Gagner is getting minutes with an offensive player.

    Nice to see Benning back – that Sekera/Benning pair should be a very good third pairing.

    Absolutely agree, especially on Currie’s usage.

    Hallelujah and Amen!!!

  149. Jordan says:

    You know, with regards to the Friedman bit about contacting Taylor Hall… If I was Taylor, I’d look at this shit show here and I’d tell them that the only way he would consider coming back would be if they buy out Lucic. See if they really want me back.

    Regardless of what they decide to do, I’d go play for the Sharks, and invite Connor to come join me in 26-27.

  150. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Material Elvis:

    Why am I not hearing him say that it feels 100%?I was told to count on a 100% recovery at this stage by some posters on this site.Sekera’s situation feels eerily similar to my friend whose Achilles didn’t feel totally right until the 8-9 month mark.

    – I don’t know what the optimal solution is (but I was sure he was done for year, and was wrong)

    – If it was up to me, I would have shut him down: give him World Championships and the off-season to rehab and show up next year: this season is over for the team.

    – The longer they rehab him, the less chance of injury IMO. But he hasn’t been healthy in 2 years.
    Getting a sense of whether he can come back next year and at what capacity is hugely important, and he’s held the D “hostage” for a number of years

    – Hope he plays all the games, and regardless of his performance, they should slot him no higher than 3LD next year IMO

  151. Material Elvis says:

    Professor Q: Those two things don’t seem equivalent, though. He’s saying that to get back you need your mindset the most, an 80-20 split between the physical part (less important).

    But why would there be any focus on the physical part if it feels 100%? I could see him saying his lungs, the speed of the opposition, etc, but not 20% ‘down there’ if it felt perfect.

  152. Lowetide says:

    Ulfstroem:
    Any rumors about Burakovsky? Would be terrific besides Connor I think. Maybe they want Chiasson back for their run?

    I like him a lot, too. Would love to see him here.

  153. Darth Tu says:

    Lowetide: I like him a lot, too. Would love to see him here.

    A legit middle six winger, I’d love to see him here too. I think we’d need to give up more than Chiasson to get him coming back this way, even with his similar point totals.

  154. jtblack says:

    LETS GO OILERS!!

    I still love these guys. Even if we are statistically the worst Franchise in the NHL over the last 13 years

    Even if run by Bafoons.

    Even if controlled by the OBC.

    Even if Red Wine Summits persist.

    Even if Chiarelli depleted more assets than any GM in history.

    Even if.

    #BleedOrange&Blue

    #IWillNeverThrowAJersey

    #ConnorWalksOnWater

    LETS GO OILERS

  155. JOFA says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    A free tip for Bob’s Burgers since he seems to need the help.

    Your beloved ‘culture’ is sorely lacking in accountability. Everyone in Hockey Ops from top to bottom should be able to quantify their function in terms of their impact on the W/L record and they should be able to benchmark their performance in realtime AND iterate to improve constantly. No BS anecdotal ‘6 rings’ dick measuring. No excuses laden post disaster spin.

    Everyone’s function rolls up to a win/loss input. Everyone is aware of how each other is doing. And you compete with each other to pursue excellence. Ya know, like an honest to Gord professional sports franchise.

    Your GM establishes this model and holds everyone accountable to it from scout to trainer to coach to capologist. That is his primary function.

    This!

  156. JOFA says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    It’s heartening to hear the OBC is feeling some heat to bring in someone without ties to ‘the culture’ but in all honestly, unless they give the new GM the ability to hire & fire, how they can really hope to land a superior candidate.

    Can you imagine the first day? Let me introduce you to your colleagues. Bob Green, loved Griffin Reinhart! Scott Howson, loved Nikita Nikitin. You’re going to want to lean on these gents for intel on amateur and pro scouting. Craig MacTavish. Fired Ralph Krueger in a backstabbing move worthy of Brutus so be sure to count on Craig for any ‘dirty work.’ And here’s Kevin Lowe. He once lost out on future Hart Trophy winner Cory Perry because of a personal vendetta with Mike Comrie, challenged Brian Burke to a fight, banished Oiler legend Ryan Smyth over some chump change, and knows a thing or two about winning and tier two fans. So be sure to sound out Kevin on everything fron trades to contract negotiations to fan relations.

    Lastly the red phone is a direct line to Mr Katz. We dont hear from him much since the Yakupov debacle. Of course there’s the odd red wine summit but you’re not on the invite list for those so no worries there.

    And That!

  157. Bank Shot says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    If he regains form, as has been mentioned ad nauseam in these parts, he slots defensemen (namely Russell) into positions closer to their established level of ability.His play during the remainder of the season provides the team (and outside observers) with evidence of his trade value and insight into roster construction going forward.

    To “shut him down” would be foolish on every single level, IMO.We’re not talking about Andrew Ferrence’s ghost.

    Which Oiler has ever regained form after a rough stretch in this town?

    I can’t honestly ever remember it happening.

    Guys have recovered after being traded, but I can’t think of a single one that had a resurgence while still in an Oilers jersey.

  158. dustrock says:

    (1) People expecting cold hard truth from Nicholson? Really? You think a member of this organization is going to trash the owner, himself, the old Oilers, in public? He’s doing damage control, what else can he do?

    This is like being surprised when a politician doesn’t follow through with an election promise.

    (2) It would be very Oilers to keep Gretzky as GM (“He’s familiar with the roster, with the organization, he’s seen the mistakes that have been made and he has some ideas on how to fix them. His drafting has been a positive development for this organization and that’s becoming increasingly important to any NHL team”)

    (3) It would be very Oilers to promote Woodcroft to Head Coach next year. “We wanted to look specifically at a younger coach for today’s NHL players, and though Jay is young, he’s had a ton of experience as you know in San Jose and Edmonton. He is very familiar with the organization and the players are familiar with him. He had a lot of success in developing our prospects in Bakersfield the previous year and we expect that process to continue at the NHL level.”

  159. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    fifthcartel:
    Friedman was on the 2 Mutt’s Podcast and it was heavy on Oilers content. I’ve transcribed some Oilers stuff in case others are interested.

    Friedman says he wrote that ‘the old Oilers thing’ is overblown but he had some real pushback on that.

    Hitchcock had a lot to do with some recent moves because the run he went on earlier.

    Friedman thinks Chiarelli had a lot of autonomy.

    When Coffey was brought in that was a case of interference.

    Whoever coming in is going to ask questions – who do I have to keep.

    The way the Oilers do things behind the scenes is going to get a lot of questions.

    Thinks Chia was never blocked or didn’t want to do moves.

    “I think they know who they want to talk to,” namesKelly McCrimmon. Mark Hunter. Mike Futa. John Ferguson Jr. Ron Hextall. Laurence Gilman. Mike Gillis. Brandon Pridham. Billy Zito.

    Says they’ll try to speak to someone from Toronto.

    Thinks they’ll have to wait until after the playoffs, but if they wanted to go with Hunter it could/would be immediate.

    “I wouldn’t be surprised if Keith Gretzky comes under consideration too”
    –Says the name works against him
    –He did a good job with some salary cap moves
    – “I think the pressure on them to start all over is enormous. There is a crisis of consumer confidence and I just think the pressure on them to go outside is going to be very hard for them not to do it.”
    –They’ve made multiple decisions that didn’t work, and they need to look at their overarching process
    –They’re going to need a fresh start.

    “Puljujarvi I think wants to be traded”

    McDavid thinks his job is to play and doesn’t want to be a guy to dictate what they do.

    Biggest question is how long till McDavid gets fed up. They have to get this right, eventually 97 will say he’s had enough.

    “I think the one thing with Puljujarvi he is a guy teams outside the playoffs might be interested in.” Has a chance to be done before the deadline.

    Friedman says if he were the Oilers GM he’d find out if Taylor Hall is available. “If he’s going to free agency, my plan is to bring Taylor Hall back.”

    – – – – –

    What I took from this podcast was the Oilers realize how angry the fanbase is, but they also seem to really like Keith Gretzky and would probably hire him if the fanbase wasn’t as pissed off. I’m convinced that would be a PR nightmare.

    I’m happy to hear they want to talk to the Toronto guys, less so on Hunter/Ferguson.

    Link to the podcast: https://twitter.com/2MuttsPodcast/status/1097370862129315841

    Thank you very much for this.

  160. Jethro Tull says:

    Every time I hear the word ‘culture’ mentioned by a member of the Oilers’ management, I think of something green and slimy in a petri dish left on a radiator somewhere.

  161. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I don’t know what the optimal solution is (but I was sure he was done for year, and was wrong)

    – If it was up to me, I would have shut him down: give him World Championships and the off-season to rehab and show up next year: this season is over for the team.

    You’d be making friends with the PA and the League real fast pulling a move like that.

    Further, what kind of a national team would play a guy who hasn’t played all year without recently assessing him? That the Czech team would just write Rej onto the roster in ink without seeing him good this season is baffling.

    Not to mention, to shut him down for the rest of the season would be to rob the organization of a valuable opportunity to get a grasp on where his play is at going forward. There are implications toward roster construction next season, and assessing if he is to remain or become a valuable trade piece (if at all).

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – The longer they rehab him, the less chance of injury IMO.But he hasn’t been healthy in 2 years.Getting a sense of whether he can come back next year and at what capacity is hugely important, and he’s held the D “hostage” for a number of years

    Sekera’s injuries and Pete’s lack of cover for said injuries aren’t the same thing. One is collateral damage in a contact sport. The other is negligence two years in a row. To put that on the player by saying he’s held the team defense hostage is weak. Rej doesn’t build the roster.

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Hope he plays all the games, and regardless of his performance, they should slot him no higher than 3LD next year IMO

    I, too, hope he plays all the remaining games and regains most if not all of his peak Oilers form from 16/17. That would mean an immense amount for the team going forward.

    However, to say he shouldn’t play higher than 3LD next year is presumptuous. Next year’s tale is unwritten. We don’t even know the roster yet. He should slot into the d-pairing where his play merits. Nothing more, nothing less.

  162. Rebillled says:

    So Stolarz won his last two starts correct? 1 being a shut-out?

    10 wins 4 losses this year?

    Goilers!

    Go start Koskinen!

  163. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    However, to say he shouldn’t play higher than 3LD next year is presumptuous.Next year’s tale is unwritten.We don’t even know the roster yet.He should slot into the d-pairing where his play merits.Nothing more, nothing less.

    – I mean from a planning perspective

    – Sek has for 2 years in a row been “slotted” as the 2LHD. That has set-back the team a lot, as Sek hasn’t played (or been brutal), and the team has been scrambling, yet the keep “slotting” him there

    – So next year, they need to assume that he’s a 3LHD, and plan/trade accordingly IMO

    – And if he is better: wonderful. Right now only Nurse, Larsson and Klef can be reasonable projected as “better” than one could hope Sek will be.

    – Get another D that is “better” than Sek should be an off-season focus IMO, because for the last 2 years, hoping he will be back to form has hurt a lot. Assume next year won’t be different

  164. Lowetide says:

    fifthcartel:
    Friedman was on the 2 Mutt’s Podcast and it was heavy on Oilers content. I’ve transcribed some Oilers stuff in case others are interested.

    Friedman says he wrote that ‘the old Oilers thing’ is overblown but he had some real pushback on that.

    Hitchcock had a lot to do with some recent moves because the run he went on earlier.

    Friedman thinks Chiarelli had a lot of autonomy.

    When Coffey was brought in that was a case of interference.

    Whoever coming in is going to ask questions – who do I have to keep.

    The way the Oilers do things behind the scenes is going to get a lot of questions.

    Thinks Chia was never blocked or didn’t want to do moves.

    “I think they know who they want to talk to,” namesKelly McCrimmon. Mark Hunter. Mike Futa. John Ferguson Jr. Ron Hextall. Laurence Gilman. Mike Gillis. Brandon Pridham. Billy Zito.

    Says they’ll try to speak to someone from Toronto.

    Thinks they’ll have to wait until after the playoffs, but if they wanted to go with Hunter it could/would be immediate.

    “I wouldn’t be surprised if Keith Gretzky comes under consideration too”
    –Says the name works against him
    –He did a good job with some salary cap moves
    – “I think the pressure on them to start all over is enormous. There is a crisis of consumer confidence and I just think the pressure on them to go outside is going to be very hard for them not to do it.”
    –They’ve made multiple decisions that didn’t work, and they need to look at their overarching process
    –They’re going to need a fresh start.

    “Puljujarvi I think wants to be traded”

    McDavid thinks his job is to play and doesn’t want to be a guy to dictate what they do.

    Biggest question is how long till McDavid gets fed up. They have to get this right, eventually 97 will say he’s had enough.

    “I think the one thing with Puljujarvi he is a guy teams outside the playoffs might be interested in.” Has a chance to be done before the deadline.

    Friedman says if he were the Oilers GM he’d find out if Taylor Hall is available. “If he’s going to free agency, my plan is to bring Taylor Hall back.”

    – – – – –

    What I took from this podcast was the Oilers realize how angry the fanbase is, but they also seem to really like Keith Gretzky and would probably hire him if the fanbase wasn’t as pissed off. I’m convinced that would be a PR nightmare.

    I’m happy to hear they want to talk to the Toronto guys, less so on Hunter/Ferguson.

    Link to the podcast: https://twitter.com/2MuttsPodcast/status/1097370862129315841

    Outstanding. I felt Gretzky would have a shot and suspect his chances are better now than they were. My guess is that McCrimmon will want Seattle and the Oilers will run with Gretzky. Gilman and Gillis are also interesting names.

  165. Andy Dufresne says:

    Who’s excited to see Talbots first start with the Flyers?

  166. jtblack says:

    Lowetide: Outstanding. I felt Gretzky would have a shot and suspect his chances are better now than they were. My guess is that McCrimmon will want Seattle and the Oilers will run with Gretzky. Gilman and Gillis are also interesting names.

    What about Holland in Seattle?

    Yzerman to Detroit

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    All three players you mention had NHL experience, some with multiple years of experience as a contributing player.

    At this point in time, Currie is none of these things.

    Ease him in.It’s the right thing to do.

    This is factually correct – at the same time, they don’t have a history of contributing as top 6 players.

    Currie, while not having any NHL experience, has an offence first skillset, and, in order to contribute, should play with offensive player or will likely be rendered ineffective also making the fourth line ineffective with very limited ice – forcing the top line to eat even more minutes.

    Kass on the fourth line gives it a chance to succeed. Currie on the top line gives it a chance to succeed.

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material Elvis:
    When asked if his ability to join the NHL on the fly will hinge more on the state of his Achilles tendon, or his mental state, as he takes the ice in a lightning fast stretch run, Sekera responded:

    “It’s 20 per cent down there and 80 per cent in your head”.

    Why am I not hearing him say that it feels 100%?I was told to count on a 100% recovery at this stage by some posters on this site.Sekera’s situation feels eerily similar to my friend whose Achilles didn’t feel totally right until the 8-9 month mark.

    He has stated that its 100% and he feels no pain – he’s provided interviews while down in Bake stating the same thing.

    He’s simply stating that its a mental thing trusting that everything will work like it always has – not that it’s not physically 100%.

  169. tileguy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    A free tip for Bob’s Burgers since he seems to need the help.

    Your beloved ‘culture’ is sorely lacking in accountability. Everyone in Hockey Ops from top to bottom should be able to quantify their function in terms of their impact on the W/L record and they should be able to benchmark their performance in realtime AND iterate to improve constantly. No BS anecdotal ‘6 rings’ dick measuring. No excuses laden post disaster spin.

    Everyone’s function rolls up to a win/loss input. Everyone is aware of how each other is doing. And you compete with each other to pursue excellence. Ya know, like an honest to Gord professional sports franchise.

    Your GM establishes this model and holds everyone accountable to it from scout to trainer to coach to capologist. That is his primary function.

    Can you email this to,Mr. Burgers and mark it urgent.

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I don’t know what the optimal solution is (but I was sure he was done for year, and was wrong)

    – If it was up to me, I would have shut him down: give him World Championships and the off-season to rehab and show up next year: this season is over for the team.

    – The longer they rehab him, the less chance of injury IMO.But he hasn’t been healthy in 2 years.Getting a sense of whether he can come back next year and at what capacity is hugely important, and he’s held the D “hostage” for a number of years

    – Hope he plays all the games, and regardless of his performance, they should slot him no higher than 3LD next year IMO

    Why would they shut him down of the injury has healed and he’s healthy?

    Playing 30 NHL games this year will be very important to him (and the team) getting off to a good start next year.

    Not sure how one can have a definitive opinion on where he should play next year – this player has recently been an elite 2nd pairing (low end 1st pairing) d-man. I’m going to watch him play and see how closely he resembles that player before slotting him in anywhere in next year’s lineup.

  171. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    LETS GO OILERS!!

    I still love these guys.Even if we are statistically the worst Franchise in the NHL over the last 13 years

    Even if run by Bafoons.

    Even if controlled by the OBC.

    Even if Red Wine Summits persist.

    Even if Chiarelli depleted more assets than any GM in history.

    Even if.

    #BleedOrange&Blue

    #IWillNeverThrowAJersey

    #ConnorWalksOnWater

    LETS GO OILERS

    Super excited for the game tonight – there are always stories to be told.

  172. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Not sure how one can have a definitive opinion on where he should play next year – this player has recently been an elite 2nd pairing (low end 1st pairing) d-man. I’m going to watch him play and see how closely he resembles that player before slotting him in anywhere in next year’s lineup.

    – I refined my response above: part of the problem this team has had in hindsight was assuming that Sek would be ready.

    – Maybe next year will be different. But the prudent thing to do IMO would be to find a D that is better than “reasonable Sek” and if Sek does come back to 2016 Sek: bonus

    – If the team assumes next year Sek is our 2LHD (again), and there is more “bad luck”, that would be the third season in a row they have the same “bad luck”: so plan differently

    * and I bet he’s 95% healthy max, and has a higher risk of injury than if he came back next year rather than game 59 of season, two years out. I get why they are doing it though. Hope he doesn’t get injured, but if he does, then at least they won’t fall into the trap 3 years in a row, as macabre as that is

  173. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lowetide: Outstanding. I felt Gretzky would have a shot and suspect his chances are better now than they were. My guess is that McCrimmon will want Seattle and the Oilers will run with Gretzky. Gilman and Gillis are also interesting names.

    As an outsider, the whole process confuses me somewhat.

    What are the criteria? Why cant they state the criteria publicly?

    Draft Record? WInning Percentage? Networking Experience? Negotiation skills? Success of Current Organization? Tutelage Who did he learn from/under? Analytics background/depth? Personality traits? Size of his network of contacts? Who can/might he be able to influence to join the team? Cap Management History? How accurately can any of this be measured?

    Or is this thing more of a soft skills search? Charachter, Fit the Culture, Intellegnce, Leadership Style, C Level decision making, Paid his dues, Climbed the corporate ladder, Good Haircut, Good Golfer, Owns a My Pillow. Hated the Hall Trade, etc

    When the ONLY thing Nicholson is on the record for at this point is that “he has talked to/sought advice from 30 other NHL executives” that speaks to things like personality and respect from piers.”

    What 5 to 7 things does anyone here care about/prioritize in a new GM?

    It almost feels like the Free Agency. Theres 5 to 10 potentially qualified candidates; the field gets narrowed down by guys accepting/keeping other positions in other orgs. We are left with 3-5 guys, none of whom seems like an ideal fit (because its a limited field) and none of whom we are certain about. Worst case scenario, it becomes change for the sake of change.

  174. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Material Elvis,

    Why am I not hearing him say that it feels 100%? I was told to count on a 100% recovery at this stage by some posters on this site

    I’m calling bullshit on that statement.

    Links to these statements please.

  175. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bank Shot: Kassian has been a top six winger for this team in terms of ice time this season.

    Where are you going to get 2 wingers better than him to replace him and still save money?

    Hypothetically you can get a million dollar winger to replace Kassian on the 4th line, but who plays on the second and third lines, and what are the odds you get one thats anywhere near as good as Kassian for a million?

    Pretty low IMO. A million dollars will get you Brian Gibbons.

    For the record I agree that Kassian and his 1.95 is not among the top 10 issues on this roster.

  176. kgo says:

    Woodguy v2.0: For the record I agree that Kassian and his 1.95 is not among the top 10 issues on this roster.

    I’d keep Kassian on my 3rd line for $2M for the next 5 years

  177. docweb says:

    Lowetide: Outstanding. I felt Gretzky would have a shot and suspect his chances are better now than they were. My guess is that McCrimmon will want Seattle and the Oilers will run with Gretzky. Gilman and Gillis are also interesting names.

    I think that hire would be a PR disaster as well. I am 90% certain of giving up my tickets but that would make me run, not walk for the door.

  178. tileguy says:

    kgo: I’d keep Kassian on my 3rd line for $2M for the next 5 years

    He would also come in handy during the playoffs(if we ever get back there)

  179. Bag of Pucks says:

    tileguy: Can you email this to,Mr. Burgers and mark it urgent.

    I would if i thought they honestly wanted accountability.

  180. Ari says:

    fifthcartel,

    Thanks for transcribing that. That’s awesome.

  181. jtblack says:

    docweb: I think that hire would be a PR disaster as well. I am 90% certain of giving up my tickets but that would make me run, not walk for the door.

    Doubt you would give up your tickets These statements are funny.

    Like you haven’t given them up after 10 yrs straight of missing playoffs.

    But Now. Now you’ve had enough!

  182. Bag of Pucks says:

    Andy Dufresne: As an outsider, the whole process confuses me somewhat.

    What are the criteria? Why cant they state the criteria publicly?

    Draft Record? WInning Percentage? Networking Experience? Negotiation skills? Success of Current Organization? TutelageWho did he learn from/under? Analytics background/depth? Personality traits? Size of his network of contacts? Who can/might he be able to influence to join the team? Cap Management History? How accurately can any of this be measured?

    Or is this thing more of a soft skills search? Charachter, Fit the Culture, Intellegnce, Leadership Style, C Level decision making, Paid his dues, Climbed the corporate ladder, Good Haircut, Good Golfer, Owns a My Pillow. Hated the Hall Trade, etc

    When the ONLY thing Nicholson is on the record for at this point is that “he has talked to/sought advice from 30 other NHL executives” that speaks to things like personality and respect from piers.”

    What 5 to 7 things does anyone here care about/prioritize in a new GM?

    It almost feels like the Free Agency.Theres 5 to 10 potentially qualified candidates; the field gets narrowed down by guys accepting/keeping other positions in other orgs. We are left with 3-5 guys, none of whom seems like an ideal fit (because its a limited field) and none of whom we are certain about. Worst case scenario, it becomes change for the sake of change.

    Colonel Kurtz. “Do you think my methods are unsound?”

    Captain Willard. “I don’t see any ‘method’ at all.”

  183. Ari says:

    Lowetide,

    Gillis and Gilman are interesting? Would you prefer either?

  184. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack:
    LETS GO OILERS!!

    I still love these guys.Even if we are statistically the worst Franchise in the NHL over the last 13 years

    Even if run by Bafoons.

    Even if controlled by the OBC.

    Even if Red Wine Summits persist.

    Even if Chiarelli depleted more assets than any GM in history.

    Even if.

    #BleedOrange&Blue

    #IWillNeverThrowAJersey

    #ConnorWalksOnWater

    LETS GO OILERS

    I can’t quit them.

    *clapclap*

  185. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woodguy v2.0: For the record I agree that Kassian and his 1.95 is not among the top 10 issues on this roster.

    Top 10 issues on roster (not in order):

    1) Starting goalie unproven
    2) back-up Goalie
    3) Sek injuries scuppered D
    4) Pool: can’t score
    5) Kailer: can’t score
    6) Reider: can’t score
    7) Chiasson: can’t score
    8) Lucic: can’t score
    9) CmD and Drai play too much together (see 4-8)
    10) No #3 D: Nurse should be #4 D, and all the other D slotted 1 rung lower

  186. jtblack says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: Top 10 issues on roster (not in order):

    1) Starting goalie unproven
    2) back-up Goalie
    3) Sek injuries scuppered D
    4) Pool: can’t score
    5) Kailer: can’t score
    6) Reider: can’t score
    7) Chiasson: can’t score
    8) Lucic: can’t score
    9) CmD and Drai play too much together (see 4-8)
    10) No #3 D: Nurse should be #4 D, and all the other D slotted 1 rung lower

    Those are MINOR issues. We can overcome quickly.

    Yamamoto looks good in the Bake Gove him 1 more year and I think he can be a 40 – 60 point NHL player

  187. docweb says:

    jtblack,

    To me…my statements are sad not funny.

    Giving up the rest of my tickets doesn’t mean that I don’t care…I still do. But I will not be financially supporting the incompetence on a nightly basis.

    Because of the resale value (or lack thereof) I will still be able to attend the games I want to go to. Because “fan” is short for “fanatic” .

    It will be interesting to see how many season ticket holders feel the same.

  188. Dicky94 says:

    jtblack,

    Big game tonight! Here’s hoping for a 12 game winning streak and Connor dragging this sad team into the playoffs.

  189. Jethro Tull says:

    Lol, just when you think the Oilers are the only ones who Oiler, the Flyers just fed Hart to the best team in the league.

    Character building. And Elliot is the replacement….

  190. Biggus Dickus says:

    I’ve said it before, but don’t trade Benning. That is just asking for trouble. If we make 3 groups of player: part of the solution, maybe part of the solutions, and definitely not part of the solution, he is firmly in the second group. There is about half of a roster to overturn before we even consider benning. Dmen often emerge like Randy Orton (RKO outta nowhere), and I don’t see why you flush him just for the sake of it. It’s the bet we always make. Just once can we look at a 25-30 goal Perron, Pouliot, Maroon, or Chaisson and make the bet that they aren’t for real. But no, we bet that Dubnyk is done after his only poor season, and move him for nothing. Brossoit’s anti-koskinen stretch got him fired into the sun. If Hall doesn’t go on his “drought”, he’s probably still here. I could go on for days.

    I still don’t understand why we bitch about our defense so much. Habit maybe? Even without Sekera I think we are good enough that we could make the playoffs. Not to mention we have some legit prospects on the way. We have had AHLers on the first line while relatively healthy. Forward is an absolute gongshow, and probably won’t be solved for several years.

  191. Glovjuice says:

    PinkSocks: This is a playoff D if Sekera is healthy.

    This is an AHL group save for the 3 centres and Kassian.It is literally an AHL group. How are 9/13 forwards AHL caliber?

    Rieder – 0 goals
    Gagner – spent the season in the AHL
    Lucic – if he had a different contract he would be in the AHL
    Cave – AHL
    Chiasson – had he not went on a heater he would be unemployed
    Rattie – AHL tweener
    Brodziak – AHL quality
    Currie – AHL
    Malone – AHL

    This is just so disgraceful and sad to look at.

    It’s fucked. Totally fucked. What is the absolute worst descriptor when someone fails at their job? Incompetent? Or is it simply failure ? Logarithmically bad? Richter 10 horrendous ? This is what we are looking for. This is us. These are the Soilers. That’s it: soiled the sheets. Found it.

  192. Biggus Dickus says:

    jtblack: Doubt you would give up your ticketsThese statements are funny.

    Like you haven’t given them up after 10 yrs straight of missing playoffs.

    But Now. Now you’ve had enough!

    The resale market is finally dying, which is why all the peasants who can’t actually afford tickets are saying they’ll “choose” to not re-up.

  193. Andy Dufresne says:

    Come On! New Jersey, Rangers, Florida.

  194. Glovjuice says:

    Bank Shot: Sounds like a complete tool to me.

    I hate the way the higher ups in the Oilers org constantly refer to players as assets.

    I think, they think it sounds professional, but it really just makes them sound like knobs.

    Here here. And when managers refer to people as part of their team, my team, my staff, my division, my branch etc. And even my staff etc.

  195. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Hey all. My wife got us some oil kings tix for this Friday at 7pm and I had a few questions about Rogers Place. (This will be our first time going to Rogers Place)

    How early should we get there and How is the parking?
    How much money should we set aside for food/drinks?
    What’s the best way to get in/out of section 130? (where our seats are)
    When it comes to washrooms and concession stands, what areas should we avoid so as not to have to wait to long in line?

    Was hoping to make this outing as smooth as possible.
    Any feedback would be appreciated! Thanks!

  196. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I actually think a healthy Sekera is a better player than Nurse is now. When he was healthy he was the team’s best all around defenseman.

    Otherwise what you’re saying now makes sense. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

  197. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bag of Pucks: The simple fact that they need outside consultation to write the job spec shows that Bobby Burgers is in way over his head with this hire.

    They can’t start to identify solutions because they don’t fully understand everything they’re doing wrong yet.

    The good news is they have ‘the culture’ piece sorted. In case you’re curious as to what that means, it’s aptly encapsulated as ‘Nice guys finish last!’

    Bang on.

    Why I wonder would a guy who is supposed to be this sage veteran of hockey have to be told what a good GM looks like at 65 years old?

    I bristle when people who are supposed to know what they’ doing talk about ‘learning ‘ – we’ve learned, we’re learning that. Gains in learning in terms of understanding what you do to make a living is for the young, who are starting out. It’s called a lack of experience.

    For mature people to use that phrase in their career job is co-opting that ‘learning’ is a positive thing, to to do some ass covering.

    What experienced people do is adapt to changing circumstances (which is more analysis using experience than learning), as in success is moving away from ‘heavy’ because the league is enforcing the rules differently, no holding, so speed is necessary.

    It’s simple, find someone with a progressive adaptive mind who has a clear plan and isn’t a wildcard. That person exists.

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