Here Come the People in Grey

Leon Draisaitl reminds me of multiple Habs of my youth. I don’t ever mention Jean Beliveau (hockey’s DiMaggio) but it’s safe to speak the name of one Peter Mahovlich. Leon’s current boxcars (35-36-61) are similar to 1970-71 Pete (35-26-51) at about the same age. Last night the Oilers grabbed a point, losing in a shootout to the Arizona Coyotes. Leon drew the key assists on both regulation goals and scored in the shootout. That pass to Nuge was incredible.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: How can the Oilers successfully sell the new regime to a fan base that is openly angry?
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers trade deadline primer: Focus should be on moves that make life easier for the next GM
  • Lowetide: Cam Talbot’s Oilers career a disappointment save one beautiful spring.
  • Jonathan Willis: Edmonton’s trade for Sam Gagner is a gamble well worth making.
  • Jonathan Willis: Inside the success of the Bakersfield Condors, and what it means for Edmonton
  • Lowetide: The Oilers sure have a lot of problems, but there is a simple solution.
  • Jonathan Willis: Taking stock of Oilers positives as they enter the final third of a dismal 2018-19 season.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Keith Gretzky on the Oilers trade deadline plan, Andrej Sekera’s return and Jesse Puljujarvi’s season
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ potential roster upheaval might set a record for summer activity
  • Jonathan Willis: Teams should beware of these players at the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Lowetide: Comparing Oilers prospects Tyler Benson and Kailer Yamamoto
  • Lowetide: It’s time for Oilers owner Daryl Katz to stand and deliver a winning organization.
  • Lowetide: Entry deal AHL forwards give the Oilers an excellent trade pool.
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL free agency period
  • Corey Pronman: 2019 NHL Draft midseason rankings
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Lowetide: Edmonton’s 2019 entry draft plans may change with new GM but needs are clear
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

OILERS AFTER 59

  • Oilers in 2015: 22-31-6, 50 points; goal differential -30
  • Oilers in 2016: 32-19-8, 72 points; goal differential +14
  • Oilers in 2017: 24-31-4, 52 points; goal differential -34
  • Oilers in 2018: 24-29-6, 54 points; goal differential -25

The Oilers are clear of the 2015 and 2017 teams but belong to the same family. There’s lots to like at the top of the roster, but the club comes by that -25 goal differential (excluding EN goals) honestly.

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 2-7-0, four points; goal differential -18
  • Oilers in February 2017: 5-4-0, 10 points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in February 2018: 2-6-1, five points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in February 2019: 1-5-3, five points; goal differential -12

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: Philadelphia, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-2)
  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Pittsburgh, Carolina, NY Islanders (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, NY Islanders, Anaheim (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Toronto, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-5-3, five points in nine games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Larsson were rock solid, going 27-12 in 14:52, 15-5 shots, 1-0 goals and 7-2 HDSC. Went 10-10 in 5:54 against Keller-Cousins-Garland.
  • Nurse-Russell went 10-14 in 14:01, 7-8 shots, 0-1 goals and 2-7 HDSC. Too much defending! Russell’s clearing attempt on the first GA gave his teammates zero chance to make a play. Were 3-9 in 4:55 against Kempe-Richardson-Hinostroza.
  • Sekera-Benning were 8-13 in 11:16, 2-10 shots, 0-1 goals and 3-5 HDSC. Sekera was solid positionally save for the second GA, as both he an Benning bit hard on a deke, and then Andrej fell in the corner and was out of the play.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 33 of 35, .943. NTS had him stopping 12 of 14 HDSC.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Lucic-Draisaitl-Kassian were 10-15 in 8:52, 7-10 shots, 0-1 goals and 3-5 HDSC. Lucic had a solid chance very early in the game and the line did create some opportunities.
  • Chiasson-Cave-Rattie 8-4 in 7:16, 5-1 shots, no goals and 3-0 HDSC. They were so good I’d run them again. Cave might be winning a job for next year and that was a rock solid effort by Rattie. He was all over the ice, and made good plays in all three zones.
  • Rieder-Nuge-Gagner went 3-10 in 6:28, 1-5 shots, no goals and 1-4 HDSC. It was not good.
  • Nuge-Draisaitl-Kassian were 5-5 in 4:09, 3-5 shots, 1-1 goals and 1-3 high dangers. I think this was the best line, although Cave’s trio did pretty well.
  • Malone-Brodziak-Currie went 3-3 in 4:01, 0-2 shots no goals and no HDSC.

Lots of smoke around Hall to Edmonton, Kurt Leavins mentioned it in a recent Cult of Hockey article. I wonder if the Oilers would dare to deal for him this summer?

OILERS MOCK DRAFT

  • No. 5 overall—RC Kirby Dach, Saskatoon Blades (WHL). He is a big playmaking center pushing through (52, 22-38-60) this season. Suspect he’ll need at least one more season in junior.
  • No. 36 overall—LD Thomas Harley, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL). Smooth skating two-way defender who has as fairly complete skill set.
  • No. 89 overall (acquired from NY Islanders for Brandon Davidson)—R Samuel Fagemo, Frolunda (SHL). I liked him plenty last year, should be a real bargain this season. Scoring winger.
  • No. 99 overall—RC Travis Treloar, Chicago Steel (USHL). Swedish center who is playing well in the USHL, he’s a creative player who will play on a skill line if he makes it.
  • No. 162 overall—R Eric Uba, Flint Firebirds (OHL). Numbers are good, he’s aggressive and (so far) underrated.
  • No. 193 overall—G Nolan Maier, Saskatoon Blades (WHL). Another below the radar prospect having a fine year.

I used Scott Wheeler’s mid-season list against my own for the ‘available’ names at each draft slot (for the early picks).

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun show on the way, including your comments and suggestions. It all starts at 10, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. We’ll look at last night and at the deadline.
  • Jon Campbell, OddsShark. The St. Louis Blues made someone rich this winter. Were there any clues?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. leadfarmer says:

    Why would Hall want to come back?
    I’d be happy to see him with Oil again but he gets to pick where he plays and this shitshow of a franchise doesn’t inspire much confidence

  2. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Three Things

    1) I see folks have finally picked up on Hall coming back. I’ve believed almost from the get go that he’d find his way back to copper and blue and given the Oilers “culture” of bring back former players, this is the one time I’d be incredibly happy with the idea. However that is dependent on #2

    2) Glad to see folks taking stock of the upper management rot in the organization. What bothers me the most coming from intelligent individuals (Friedman, Gregor, Rishaug) is that they take the term Old Boys Club too far. I’m not worried about Wayne Gretzky, Paul Coffey or gulp K Lowe whispering in Katz or the GMs ear. It’s the guys in actual hockey ops (MacT, Howson, Green, Peltier and Schwartz) are the ones that need focusing on. They are the constants in this fad of ripping down, pushing up, drastically misjudging player abilities and re-signing old silks. If the new GM is forced to keep those guys on, nothing will change and we’ll see the same thing over and over. MacT and Howson have been here since 2013, they’ve got one playoffs and soon to be 5 bottom 5 finshes. Get rid of these guys who don’t understand the game anymore and the bleeding may just stop.

    I don’t think Taylor Hall would come back with all of those guys around.

    #3) At what point does Jay Woodcroft get a long look for a head coaching position? Early days still but man he’s coaching up a damn good team in the Bake right now.

  3. LMHF#1 says:

    Klefbom-
    Sekera-Larsson
    Nurse-Benning

    That’s almost a usable group of defencmen…too bad you can’t convert the other 16 into one usable right-hander to play with Klefbom.

    You’d have one of 77/6/25 on the ice at all times. This would be a good thing.

  4. flyfish1168 says:

    Going into last evening game I was very optimistic we had a chance to get 2 points. But when you only get 1 shot on a 5-3 pp. Our PP has no movement, passes not crisp and slow. Yotes had so much time to recover and defend that it looked like 5-5 play.

    Two players on this team kill any sort of offence we have. Lucic and Rieder. Time they both sit out or play 4th line minutes.

  5. Andy Dufresne says:

    “Mikko Koskinen stopped 33 of 35, .943. NTS had him stopping 12 of 14 HDSC”

    Yeah…..Mikko’s the problem…..him and that Lazy German………oh yeah……and that puck hog who takes “days off” anytime he feels like it…..So say the people in grey.

  6. giddy says:

    I feel bad for Rattie–Hitch wouldn’t let him touch the ice in OT with this line-up. Woof.

  7. texmex says:

    flyfish1168,

    I’d play them more minutes. Losses are good when you are 27th overall, 2 points out of 30th, 5 points out of 31st. It sucks we are here again, but we are.

    The Oilers have 6 wins in their last 27 games. Post deadline, if they offload a few players, they will need to call up AHL level players (not the kids).

    The Oilers might only win another 5-8 games this season.

  8. bcoil says:

    So tell me again how much better this team is going to be under Hitch then it was under Todd..Hitch and his old school bully management style and his chip it out chip it in style is killing us . I want to know who decided on Hitch and Who is pushing to keep PJ in the NHL ..Find that out and we will know a big part of the managment problems with this Team

  9. Andy Dufresne says:

    leadfarmer: Why would Hall want to come back?

    EASY…..To save the franchise (white knight syndrome)……that, Conner McDavid and Money………..did I mention Money?

  10. giddy says:

    Also, Nuge is two points from his career high with 23 games remaining. Drai is six points off his career high as well.

    It’s going to be funny looking when the Oil have a guy who puts up 110 points, a guy who puts up 95 points, and a guy who puts up 75 points, and then they miss the playoffs badly.

  11. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Over the last 12 years the Oilers have brought in all new players and coaches multiple times but the break-outs still look exactly the same. Smash it up the boards to a stationary winger, standing way too high in the dzone. I seem to remember the first few Hitch games the forwards would circle lower and breakout through the centre of the ice, what happened?

    Our D are not particularly good passers and the current breakout patterns just make it worse.

  12. giddy says:

    Also, Hall coming back is about as cylindrical as a pipe dream can get. Where is the money to pay him the $11×6 contract he’ll be in search of? You got an ATM in that turbo-lite-brite?

  13. who says:

    bcoil:
    So tell me again how much better this team is going to be under Hitch then it was under Todd..Hitch and his old school bully management style and hischip it out chip it in style is killing us . I want to know who decided on Hitch and Who is pushing to keep PJ in the NHL ..Find that out and we will know a big part of the managment problems with this Team

    Right now it sounds like JP and his agent are pushing to keep JP in the NHL.

  14. Andy Dufresne says:

    giddy:
    Also, Nuge is two points from his career high with 23 games remaining. Drai is six points off his career high as well.

    It’s going to be funny looking when the Oil have a guy who puts up 110 points, a guy who puts up 95 points, and a guy who puts up 75 points, and then they miss the playoffs badly.

    Yeah “Trickle Down Economics” may not work in Bettmans “Parity League”. A balanced roster seems to be the order of the day. Exemplified in my opinion by teams like Tampa Bay, Las Vegas, Calgary and Boston.

    The exceptions are teams like Toronto and San Jose. Will be interesting to see how they do come playoff time and under cap constraints in 2019-2020.

    LT, hows the Balance Photo looking? Next GM needs to be a Master of Photoshop.

  15. bcoil says:

    who,

    Yes I had heard/read that also but who was pushing to keep him here over the last two years when even you and I knew he need to learn the game in the AHL

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    Leon was certainly a beast last night – once again proving that he can drive offence as a center on a line.

    With that said, the same problem came up – goal against – Leon was on for two goals against at 5 on 5.

    That’s OK – the 2-way/overall/defensive aspect of a center’s game is what continues to develop in to the mid and late 20s.

    A wonderful player!

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    That was an unreal game from Adam Larsson – he played his usual and nasty defensive game but, in the third period, he was almost like an offensive driver from the back-end – material in the offensive possession game, getting pucks to the net, making passes, etc.

    I wish he had the internal confidence to play like that more often – he has it in him.

  18. russ99 says:

    No Hall. What’s done is done.

    The worst thing for us is the management team run by MacTavish trying to get his old team that won nothing back.

    Fire them all, bring in bright people and make smart moves. That’s the way forward.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    Full credit to the Chiasson/Cave/Rattie line last night – their possession numbers do meet the eye test as they looked good last night and were creating offence.

    Of course, Chiasson channeled his inner Patrick Stefan on the wide open net and Cave shot the puck 2 feet high and a foot wide on a glorious chance…..

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    Can’t say enough about Mikko last night.

    The best game he’s had since early December and really his only plus game since then.

    Can’t fault him at all on either goal (i.e. no week goals), he made plus saves throughout and made saves when the team needed it.

    If Mikko can play like that night in and night out, the goaltending position is solved for three years. Issue is, there is no indication he can play like that consistently.

  21. dustrock says:

    Yeah, bringing back Hall would be a great idea. Now just trade Looch, Manning, Russell, Koskinen, Kassian, Gagner. Now we have the cap room!!!

  22. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Hall is never coming back. We cannot afford him and I doubt he has any interest coming back to this shitshow.

  23. dustrock says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Leon was certainly a beast last night – once again proving that he can drive offence as a center on a line.

    With that said, the same problem came up – goal against – Leon was on for two goals against at 5 on 5.

    That’s OK – the 2-way/overall/defensive aspect of a center’s game is what continues to develop in to the mid and late 20s.

    A wonderful player!

    Yes, we should definitely blame Leon for the idiotic pass by Russell and the Sekera/Benning tire fire.

    I mean maybe he could have backchecked better on the 2nd goal but that was more sloppy D than anything else.

    Certainly Leon showed that if you set up your teammates 8,000 times, they will score once or twice.

  24. Andy Dufresne says:

    Leon is a Beast; Larsson is a Stud; Nuge is a Witch; Connor is a Deity; Oscar is Dreamy; Mikko is 79 inches of Granite Wall…..(unfortunately he is only 36 inches wide……. so We Need More Money For The Wall!!!!)

    We were busy building the cast of Game of Thrones…..and along came the Red Wedding (aka Red Wine Summit).

    We need more Dragon Glass ( i.e. Lottery Picks)

  25. Darth Tu says:

    I know he’s been injured as all heck, but would there be any value to grabbing Eaves from waivers? $3.15 M cap hit though, which we certainly can’t do anything with at the moment.

    As bad as the Oilers are with regards to cap for next year, at least we’re not the Ducks.

  26. JimmyV1965 says:

    Currie plays 5 minutes last night. What the hell is the point? He’s fourth in the AHL in goals with 24 already. What are they worried about? That they’ll lose the dynamic offense of Tobias Reider and Milan Lucic. I would understand 5 minutes if the team was playing well or if they didn’t have a bunch of garbage wingers, but Currie could very well be better than any winger on the team, which ain’t saying much.

  27. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Hall (signed to extension) to EDM, Nurse (signed to extension), Lucic with $2.5M retained per year and 2019 1st (unprotected) to NJ? Something like that might actually save JP’s career.

  28. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Darth Tu,

    No. Eaves is finished. Also, we do not want to help the Ducks with their cap problems.

  29. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Currie plays 5 minutes last night. What the hell is the point? He’s fourth in the AHL in goals with 24 already. What are they worried about? That they’ll lose the dynamic offense of Tobias Reider and Milan Lucic. I would understand 5 minutes if the team was playing well or if they didn’t have a bunch of garbage wingers, but Currie could very well be better than any winger on the team, which ain’t saying much.

    Currie, Rattie, Gagner, etc. not Hitch types. All not likely to succeed in a Hitch style system.

    Like us Old Timers like to say, “There’s a hitch in their Giddy Up”

  30. Dee Dee says:

    If Connor doesn’t play Tomorrow night I am going to hold my breath until the trade deadline is over.

  31. Oddspell says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan:
    Hall (signed to extension) to EDM, Nurse (signed to extension), Lucic with $2.5M retained per year and 2019 1st (unprotected) to NJ? Something like that might actually save JP’s career.

    Hall’s trade value has been established. Follow the precedent.

    I think Nurse for Hall, 1 for 1, should do it.

  32. flyfish1168 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Currie plays 5 minutes last night. What the hell is the point? He’s fourth in the AHL in goals with 24 already. What are they worried about? That they’ll lose the dynamic offense of Tobias Reider and Milan Lucic. I would understand 5 minutes if the team was playing well or if they didn’t have a bunch of garbage wingers, but Currie could very well be better than any winger on the team, which ain’t saying much.

    I would like to see him ahead of Rieder.

  33. BONE207 says:

    On the bright side, the world hockey championship will be more exciting with Connor, Taylor, Leon & Toby all playing…ha…

  34. Darth Tu says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Darth Tu,

    No. Eaves is finished. Also, we do not want to help the Ducks with their cap problems.

    I thought as much, I wasn’t sure if the shoulder injury had screwed him up completely, I think the second thing he went down with this year was a broken rib – so shouldn’t really have any long term ramifications. Agree on not helping the Ducks with the cap issues, obviously no way we really could with our cap situation as well. I recall Original Pouzar saying a few days ago, with the Khaira and Pool Party to IR move we’re running dangerously close to our limit (or over it) at the moment anyways.

  35. Dustylegnd says:

    Andy Dufresne: Yeah “Trickle Down Economics” may not work in Bettmans “Parity League”. A balanced roster seems to be the order of the day. Exemplified in my opinion by teams like Tampa Bay, Las Vegas, Calgary and Boston.

    The exceptions are teams like Toronto and San Jose. Will be interesting to see how they do come playoff time and under cap constraints in 2019-2020.

    LT, hows the Balance Photo looking? Next GM needs to be a Master of Photoshop.

    The teams that win a lot in this league all score a lot of goals….(Islanders are the 1 exception I bet they regress next year)

    Calgary Tampa and SJ score a ton of goals

    Calgary has 5 players with over 50 points the Islanders have 1

    Tampa has 4 guys with over 20 goals and 1 with 17 the Islanders have 0

    The Islander have let in very few goals and have an insane SV%

    We get very very little offense from our D…and no secondary scoring…nothing changes next year…other than throwing another 18 year old to the Wolves

  36. flyfish1168 says:

    BONE207:
    On the bright side, the world hockey championship will be more exciting with Connor, Taylor, Leon & Toby all playing…ha…

    + Nurse
    We can have an all Oiler team and a new captain Canada

  37. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Leon was certainly a beast last night – once again proving that he can drive offence as a center on a line.

    With that said, the same problem came up – goal against – Leon was on for two goals against at 5 on 5.

    That’s OK – the 2-way/overall/defensive aspect of a center’s game is what continues to develop in to the mid and late 20s.

    A wonderful player!

    I didn’t see Leon at fault on either goal.
    First goal was a lame duck pass up the middle by Russell. Second goal was Nuge getting beat to the net off a rebound.
    How was Drai at fault?

  38. Sierra says:

    NHL

    EDMONTON OILERS
    1h ago
    Hitchcock on wild-card race: ‘We’re playing the best’

    https://www.tsn.ca/hitchcock-on-wild-card-race-we-re-playing-the-best-1.1260615

    “We know we have to go on an a run. Of all the teams around there I feel like our team is playing the best. We’re not winning, but we’re playing the best. Eventually, it’s going to have to translate into wins. You can’t keep living off of, ‘We’re playing well.’ You have to take the next step, but five of the last six games are the best we’ve played in a long time.”

  39. Professor Q says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Hall is never coming back. We cannot afford him and I doubt he has any interest coming back to this shitshow.

    I think he actually has stated that he would be open to a return. Things change, however.

  40. Munny says:

    It’s tough to tempt fish back into the fishbowl once they’ve had a taste of life outside it.

  41. ArmchairGM says:

    leadfarmer:
    Why would Hall want to come back?
    I’d be happy to see him with Oil again but he gets to pick where he plays and this shitshow of a franchise doesn’t inspire much confidence

    How does he get to pick where he wants to play? He has another year on his contract and no trade protection clauses. If NJ wants to trade him, they have a free hand.

  42. Glass says:

    The Islanders are a good team. Surely a loss to them puts the nail in the coffin and makes us sellers at the deadline in the eyes of Keith Gretzky and Bob Nicholson

  43. dustrock says:

    Sierra:
    NHL

    EDMONTON OILERS
    1h ago
    Hitchcock on wild-card race: ‘We’re playing the best’

    https://www.tsn.ca/hitchcock-on-wild-card-race-we-re-playing-the-best-1.1260615

    “We know we have to go on an a run. Of all the teams around there I feel like our team is playing the best. We’re not winning, but we’re playing the best. Eventually, it’s going to have to translate into wins. You can’t keep living off of, ‘We’re playing well.’ You have to take the next step, but five of the last six games are the best we’ve played in a long time.”

    It’s not a lie if you believe it, Jerry.

  44. giddy says:

    Munny:
    It’s tough to tempt fish back into the fishbowl once they’ve had a taste of life outside it.

    Especially a fish bowl where the media and fans constantly bang on the glass…

  45. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I’m officially conceding defeat on Hunters contest. I think I was at a hundo.

    – team has to win out to get to 100 points.

    – god bless hitch- still fighting the good fight- 5 points every theee games now get on a heater.

  46. Sierra says:

    ArmchairGM: How does he get to pick where he wants to play? He has another year on his contract and no trade protection clauses. If NJ wants to trade him, they have a free hand.

    By saying he’s not signing an extension and will go to free agency.

  47. jtblack says:

    “No. 5
    No. 36
    No. 89
    No. 99 ”

    Impact player for sure @ #5 (range).

    I hope Keith G. can add at least 2 draft picks in between #36 – #89. Possibly 3. That will make for a full draft.

  48. leadfarmer says:

    ArmchairGM: How does he get to pick where he wants to play? He has another year on his contract and no trade protection clauses. If NJ wants to trade him, they have a free hand.

    Well we cant trade for him in the offseason so in a year we would have to lure him back when he is a free agent

  49. Darth Tu says:

    leadfarmer: Well we cant trade for him in the offseason so in a year we would have to lure him back when he is a free agent

    This year’s first and Lucic for Taylor Hall! You heard it here first.

  50. Kraz says:

    I think the idea of Hall coming back isn’t so far fetched. First the Oilers have to hire some good management and coaches, get rid of the organizational baggage and set the team in the right direction. And let’s face it if McDavid wants Hall he will get him no problem.

  51. Kraz says:

    One other question is how much money would Draisaitl sign for if he was due up this year? I say somewhere between 10-11 million.

  52. Coiler says:

    Although I think Hall is just the sort of player the Oilers need on McJesus’ wing, I doubt very highly that;

    a) He would come.
    b) The Oilers could afford him.
    c) The Devils wouldn’t try and resign him and/or trade him to a team who have the ability to resign him for the term and $$$ that he’d want.

    I’m curious as I don’t live in Edmonton or have any insight into these things, if Hall still has any connections to the city (girlfriend/wife)? And no, Nuge doesn’t count.

  53. PinkSocks says:

    Not sure if this was mentioned last night. When Hitch rightfully takes his timeout with the 5 on 3 to get the only forwards capable of scoring a breather, why in the actual fuck is Glen Gultzan, the man with a track record of inexcusably horrendous powerplays, giving instructions to the PP1 unit? Viveiros was on the bench, I saw him. #FreeManny

  54. Fiveinatrailer says:

    (Posted from LTs article on the athletic)

    What I want to see is the structure of a world class organization. Like the Patriots (spits)
    We lose somebody, no problem we got two more to replace him.

    I want to see world class:
    A) amateur program
    B) player development
    C)health wellness and training
    D) analytics, research and development
    E) community engagement
    F) pro scouting
    G) alumni participation
    H) pro player support systems (the piece on Calgary Flames big brother is incredible btw)

    This city should be the gold standard for hockey development in the world. It should be a layup. Think “Barcelona soccer”, “patriots football”, “Yankees baseball”

    For all the vitriol, MLSE should be given credit for turning their organization around across ALL their franchises. How are the Oil Kibgs doing? That’s part of the OEG.

    How crazy would it be to buy Vimy Hockey academy and make it Oilers hockey academy? Even if you can’t sign 14 year old players, make this city the place where players FROM AROUND THE WORLD come to learn their craft.

    THATS what I want to see before I give a damn about who’s the latest gm to captain this rudderless ship.

  55. Jethro Tull says:

    jtblack:
    “No. 5
    No. 36
    No. 89
    No. 99 ”

    Impact player for sure @ #5 (range).

    I hope Keith G. can add at least 2 draft picks in between #36 – #89.Possibly 3.That will make for a full draft.

    Just like JP is an impact player for sure.

    OK, Connor and Drai, even Nuge have succeeded DESPITE development. They are exceptions. People are STILL trusting the same guys who have over and over again shown their inability to draft and develop players outside of generational of exceptional, sometimes even #1 OVs.

    Until the process is changed, higher draft picks just mean shinier toys to destroy.

    And how are we going to get those extra picks? By trading away the only players that have any value, eg, actual NHL players. So who fills those holes? The kids that everyone agrees aren’t ready? And so the vicious circle continues.

    This team is Bizarro Midas at the moment: Everything it touches turns to shit. They can’t even announce injuries (JP) properly. Katz needs to first realize that the NHL isn’t going to be won like it ever has in the past, just like every other owner has had to. Then he needs to hire someone who he thinks embodies his vision or the direction of how teams operate now. They then need to hire people who share or can help his plan. But we still have the SAME people here as 13 years ago and if you think none of them living hockey cards have a direct line to Darryl or Bob, then you’re kidding yourself. They may not be directly involved in decisions, but I bet Woodguy’s house they can influence them.

    And the most important reason for a purge, if these weren’t reason’s enough? Optics. The Oilers look like a badly run franchise. So you are only ever going to get the UFA’s out to max their retirement contracts and absolutely coulnd’t care less about the team.

    Tune in later for my next rant about how tanking is the WORST idea in pro-sports ever. I mean, getting a team that’s not losing on purpose and is low on confidence to lose on purpose and to draft a bunch of teenagers that can come in and take your place on the team which told you or engineered it so you would lose anyway……that’s smrtist man in the room thinking right there.

  56. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I don’t get the Hall pining. He was an admired Oil, and getting him back would makes some feel karma in undoing a trade: but let it go

    – He will be 29 year old UFA: his speed eroding, his injuries increasing. He’s already missed 20+ games this year. He had his peak year based on a 14% sh% and lots of PP points

    -Someone will pay him a lot: hope its not us. Your not getting that one great year of Hall. He might not play again this year.

    – He will have played in approx. 80% of the games in last 5 season. When he’s out it hurts the team a lot: he is likely to have more injuries (or be not as effective) as he ages (Hi Lucic)

  57. tileguy says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I don’t get the Hall pining.He was an admired Oil, and getting him back would makes some feel karma in undoing a trade: but let it go

    – He will be 29 year old UFA: his speed eroding, his injuries increasing.He’s already missed 20+ games this year.He had his peak year based on a 14% sh% and lots of PP points

    -Someone will pay him a lot: hope its not us.Your not getting that one great year of Hall.He might not play again this year.

    – He will have played in approx. 80% of the games in last 5 season.When he’s out it hurts the team a lot: he is likely to have more injuries (or be not as effective) as he ages (Hi Lucic)

    Kinda like the folklore Samwise receives, but its fun to relive the past.

  58. Bill says:

    If the cost to acquire Hall(signed to a new contract) from NJD was Leon and Nurse, how many of y’all would bite?

  59. Alpine says:

    I love Hall as a player but I don’t know if you wanna pay 10 mil for his early to mid 30s. He’s 28 in November.

    I think we’re better off looking at guys who can give 8 mil quality play for 6 mil in cap hit. Is there a ‘next Hall’ out there? Someone undervalued by their team who’s got term left at a bargain cap hit? I have to think Huberdeau’s 5.9 Mil from now til 2023 is easier to fit in than Hall being paid 9-10 mil starting in 2020.

    I get it, Hall’s elite and you do what you can to accommodate a player like that. His injury record does concern me though. People brought it up as a concern with making a play for Karlsson and I think Karlsson is less risky than Hall.

  60. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Hall’s probably looking at JT signing with his childhood powerhouse team & definitely wants to sign with the red hot oilers that didn’t think he was part of the solution.

    Maybe Hall will sign in Calgary if they make some room.

  61. Jethro Tull says:

    Lol, don’t sign an under 30yo Hart winner because of bad karma and reliving the past. Marcus Johansson and Toby Reider’s of the world makes this team better, boys! Wooohoo!

  62. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    tileguy: Kinda like the folklore Samwise receives.

    – Yeah: Samwise was a slow, easy to get off the puck guy ideally suited for a 3C role 6 years ago. Teams sucked when he was here, not his fault. Great guy, wife from Edmonton, he bleeds Oil, right culture, etc. It’s a great “story” appeases angry fans, and deflects. Doubt he’s an NHL’er anymore.

    – Trading a likely not NHL’er for another likely not NHL’er that has a slightly higher cap hit meh: that its Sam Gagner is genius PR though IMO, and I get why they tried it

    – Great article here on Sam: hope he defies the odds:

    https://editorinleaf.com/2019/02/18/toronto-maple-leafs-ode-sam-gagner/

  63. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    This team, remarkably, does not need more super stars at the forward position. Sorry Taylor.

    It needs NHL players. If possible flip the pick and tie Lucic to it. Get rid of salary at the margins. Do these things in whatever combination results in the addition of 1 goal scorer (A) and 2 other NHL wingers (B,C).

    Its not that complicated from where I am sitting.

    “A” McDavid Puljujarvi
    Nugent-Hopkins Draisatl “B”
    “C” Gagner Kassian
    X Khaira X

    Holy shit now we don’t feel so terrible asking farm hands to play into that lineup.

  64. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    The second line going out in the OT last night was COLBY CAVE, SAMWISE, and SEKERA.

    AHL, AHL, ACL.

  65. who says:

    Bill:
    If the cost to acquire Hall(signed to a new contract) from NJD was Leon and Nurse, how many of y’all would bite?

    I wouldn’t trade Drai for Hall straight up, never mind Nurse.
    First of all, it MIGHT take more than 8.5 million to extend Hall, secondly Drai is entering his prime as Hall is leaving his, and thirdly, Drai has outproduced him 2 of the last 3 years.
    Can’t we just let go of Hall already! Sheesh!

  66. Munny says:

    I can’t remember exactly, but I don’t think there was ever a Kinks RE series. 🙁

    (My memory could well be leaky here)

    This is a great title for this article though.

  67. Munny says:

    who: as Hall is leaving his, and thirdly, Drai has outproduced him 2 of the last 3 years.

    There may be some McDeity ex machina affecting the numbers here.

  68. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I don’t get the Hall pining.He was an admired Oil, and getting him back would makes some feel karma in undoing a trade: but let it go

    – He will be 29 year old UFA: his speed eroding, his injuries increasing.He’s already missed 20+ games this year.He had his peak year based on a 14% sh% and lots of PP points

    -Someone will pay him a lot: hope its not us.Your not getting that one great year of Hall.He might not play again this year.

    – He will have played in approx. 80% of the games in last 5 season.When he’s out it hurts the team a lot: he is likely to have more injuries (or be not as effective) as he ages (Hi Lucic)

    I agree. The Hall ship has sailed. He is not a fit for the Oilers age and money wise.

  69. godot10 says:

    Bill:
    If the cost to acquire Hall(signed to a new contract) from NJD was Leon and Nurse, how many of y’all would bite?

    Draisaitl is a better player, younger, and will have a better contract.

  70. who says:

    Munny: There may be some McDeity effect ex machina here.

    Maybe, but Hall has had a couple of pretty good linemates in Hirscher and Palmeri. Drai has had McDavid and a whole lot of nothing on the opposite wing.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    No McDavid at practice today (hope he is good to go for tomorrow).

    Here were the lines at practice:

    RNH-Draisaitl-Kassian
    Rieder-Cave-Chiasson
    Lucic-Brodziak-Currie
    Gagner-Malone-Rattie

    I have no idea why Reider is at 2LW and not Rattie given how good the Rattie/Cave/Chiasson line looked last night.

  72. Alpine says:

    Jethro Tull,

    My suggested alternative to Hall is Huberdeau not Tobias Rieder. I don’t see anyone else suggesting we only acquire bottom six forwards.

    Anyways, I always advocated for keeping the powder dry with regards to cap space in case a big fish or three comes available and they’re keen for Edmonton. So I was always against signing the likes of Lucic and Russell.

    Unfortunately our brilliant team has painted themselves into a corner with cap space so it makes sense to look at options that won’t cost 10 million starting in 2020. Maybe some team needs to trade a top line guy with some term to save on the cap.

    Hall has played 53, 82, 72, 76, and 33 games the last five seasons. You don’t give a shit about that if he’s making 6 mil a year, but if he’s in the 9-10 range it gives me pause if you’re only getting 65 games out of him on average, especially when his prime years are fading.

    He’s a great, great player. I would be happy if he came back but I would be very curious how even a smart team would make that work, let alone the Oilers in their situation.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hitch says he’s hopeful McDavid can play tomorrow.

    Shocking piece of info I know.

  74. ArmchairGM says:

    giddy:
    Also, Hall coming back is about as cylindrical as a pipe dream can get. Where is the money to pay him the $11×6 contract he’ll be in search of? You got an ATM in that turbo-lite-brite?

    Firstly, he won’t be getting $11M from any team, unless he wins a whole lot of hardware next year – unlikely. After exhaustive research (not really), I’m going to peg his next contract at 10.5% of the cap, or say $9M on $86M for the 2020-21 season.

    Secondly, finding the money will be easy due to the fact that there will be a lot of roster turnover in the next 18 months. It could look something like this:

    Draisaitl – McDavid – Puljujarvi (1.2)
    Hall (9.0) – RNH – Cozens (.925)
    Benson – Marody – Yamamoto
    Lucic – Gagne (1.0) – Chaisson (1.25)
    Clifford (1.25) – Malone (.85)

    Klefbom – Larsson
    Nurse (5.8) – Bouchard
    Sekera – Persson (1.1)
    Jones – Russell

    Koskinen
    Starrett / Stolarz (.85)

    Thats 24 men with a total cap hit of $84.25, or $1.75M cap space. There are $1.155 in potential bonuses plus whatever Cozens gets. Marner, 4th overall 2015, has $850k in performance bonuses, so I doubt we’d have a cap overage from the above roster. Also the roster is one man over – if Russell or Lucic is traded (even with retention) then there’s no cap pressure at all.

    The following year there are a bunch of guys that’ll need re-signing:

    UFA
    Nugent-Hopkins
    Clifford
    Chiasson
    Gagner
    Malone
    Sekera
    Larsson
    Russell
    Persson ($25.116M)

    RFA
    Puljujarvi
    Yamamoto
    Marody
    Benson
    Bouchard ($4.8M)
    $29.918M total off the books.

    – Sekera and Russell will be replaced internally (Bear, Lagesson, Berglund, Samorukov are the leading candidates), so ~$2M for those 2 positions.
    – Nuge will get a raise but not a huge one, so lets say $7.5M for him
    – Larsson will get a raise but not a huge one, so lets say $5M for him
    – Clifford, Chiasson, Gagner, Malone will be replaced with players of similar pay scale, so ~$3M for those 3 positions
    – Persson may also be replaced internally, I won’t put anything in for him because I have 8 defencemen on the roster already
    – That leaves $12.418M (plus cap increase) to re-sign JP, Yamamoto, Marody, Benson and Bouchard, which shouldn’t be a problem (hopefully it is a problem). Ristolainen and Jones both signed for 7.4% of cap ($6.4M on $86M cap) at 21 years-old, I don’t see Bouchard getting any more. If he gets there the others may have to accept bridge deals, but it’s workable.

  75. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    No McDavid at practice today (hope he is good to go for tomorrow).

    Here were the lines at practice:

    RNH-Draisaitl-Kassian
    Rieder-Cave-Chiasson
    Lucic-Brodziak-Currie
    Gagner-Malone-Rattie

    I have no idea why Reider is at 2LW and not Rattie given how good the Rattie/Cave/Chiasson line looked last night.

    That is a sight to behold.

    Lines 2-4. Wowza that’s like three fourth lines.

  76. fifthcartel says:

    I had the same thoughts about Hall. He’s prone to injuries and getting older won’t help. I think this move would be more about repairing goodwill with the fanbase and righting a wrong. Might not be the best hockey move long term but I think fans would be all for it.

    Would Hall come back? Maybe. I think you’d have to dump Lucic and some other salary (Sekera, Russell), but stranger things have happened.

  77. ArmchairGM says:

    Sierra: By saying he’s not signing an extension and will go to free agency.

    If he says that he’ll be on the trade block. And NJ can trade him wherever they want.

  78. JimmyV1965 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I don’t get the Hall pining.He was an admired Oil, and getting him back would makes some feel karma in undoing a trade: but let it go

    – He will be 29 year old UFA: his speed eroding, his injuries increasing.He’s already missed 20+ games this year.He had his peak year based on a 14% sh% and lots of PP points

    -Someone will pay him a lot: hope its not us.Your not getting that one great year of Hall.He might not play again this year.

    – He will have played in approx. 80% of the games in last 5 season.When he’s out it hurts the team a lot: he is likely to have more injuries (or be not as effective) as he ages (Hi Lucic)

    Agreed. I love Hall too, but signing a 29-year-old UFA is a recipe for disaster. I feel for the guy though. He’ll be 29 and has never played on a good team.

  79. ArmchairGM says:

    leadfarmer: Well we cant trade for him in the offseason so in a year we would have to lure him back when he is a free agent

    We can’t? Even if nothing else changes, the cap is going up by $3.5M so trading Nurse + picks for Hall fits under the cap. And I’m sure the new GM will get rid of at least some dead cap…

  80. JimmyV1965 says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    This team, remarkably, does not need more super stars at the forward position. Sorry Taylor.

    It needs NHL players. If possible flip the pick and tie Lucic to it. Get rid of salary at the margins. Do these things in whatever combination results in the addition of 1 goal scorer (A) and 2 other NHL wingers (B,C).

    Its not that complicated from where I am sitting.

    “A” McDavid Puljujarvi
    Nugent-Hopkins Draisatl “B”
    “C” Gagner Kassian
    X Khaira X

    Holy shit now we don’t feel so terrible asking farm hands to play into that lineup.

    Why would you have JP slotted in on the first line?

  81. Ryan says:

    godot10: I agree. The Hall ship has sailed.He is not a fit for the Oilers age and money wise.

    I also agree. We can’t undo the trade unfortunately and turn back time.

    Good teams that are well-built with a pile of sound contracts and no major roster holes… free of Albatross contracts that are ready to go for a cup run can take on Hall’s next contract. This is not us.

  82. JimmyV1965 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Lol, don’t sign an under 30yo Hart winner because of bad karma and reliving the past.Marcus Johansson and Toby Reider’s of the world makes this team better, boys!Wooohoo!

    My biggest fear is the team will go out and sign Dzingel to a six-year deal and think they have actually addressed the problem on the wing. We need a rock solid 30 goal guy. However , Hall is not the answer or anyone who will soon be a UFA at 29.

  83. ArmchairGM says:

    Bill:
    If the cost to acquire Hall(signed to a new contract) from NJD was Leon and Nurse, how many of y’all would bite?

    Never – that’s not even close to realistic value.

  84. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: Agreed. I love Hall too, but signing a 29-year-old UFA is a recipe for disaster. I feel for the guy though. He’ll be 29 and has never played on a good team.

    28, but who’s counting?

  85. Ryan says:

    ArmchairGM: We can’t? Even if nothing else changes, the cap is going up by $3.5M so trading Nurse + picks for Hall fits under the cap. And I’m sure the new GM will get rid of at least some dead cap…

    That’s insane. 🙂

    Nurse plus picks for 1-year of Hall?

    Sign and trades don’t happen anymore.

    Even if you could do that, it would only make sense to team that would maximally benefit from Hall at the onset of his next contract.

    If we’re ready to go on a cup run at the time of Hall’s next contract, our next GM is a first ballot future Hall of famer.

  86. New Improved Darkness says:

    I figured out the psychological consequence of the Hitchmas miracle.

    When you throw your best horses over the board five extra minutes a game, their cognition begins to organize itself around finding small corners to cut (managing the energy budget) during every minute played.

    Gradually every “quick” decision becomes delayed by a few milliseconds as the hypertrophic energy-economizer renders its mission-critical verdict.

    Soon this small delay starts to change outcomes in noticeable ways, and then that feeds back into the calibration model. And then the hypertrophic energy-economizer begins to doubt itself, and starts to generate both heads and tails at the same time.

    EE: Well, you could have gotten away with saving a step there, if I had managed to render my verdict in 0 ms elapsed time. But then I realized it had taken me 10 ms to render my verdict, so I had to recompute, and the second time around, the answer came out different. Meanwhile, as I was recalculating, you started to drop the wrong knee, so I had to feed that back into the loop, and my answer shifted slightly again—after another 10 ms delay which maybe I didn’t take properly into account. Here, let my check my math again. You know what?—if you don’t mind me saying so—taking into account my own latency gets really complicated in a big hurry. And, hey, try not to jitterbug like that with every minor adjustment in my preliminary verdict, so that we can better stay on the same page.

    ———

    Like the throttle on a fighter jet fully engaged, much of the time it should be jammed onto “full military power” and left alone, with here and there some judicious use of afterburners.

    When Connor or Drai regularly plays more than 25 minutes a night, pretty soon one lazy hand begins loitering over the throttle trim for the whole darn game.

    And then a critical moment comes to pass where both hands need to be glued to the flight stick at the 9 and 3 positions with no lag at all. And now what you have is a “mental” error, from a player who previously wasn’t prone to taunting a wet chicane with a solo, underhand finger grip, while the other hand dances over the dashboard in search of the optimal power tune for thrilling to life in the marbles of mishap.

  87. texmex says:

    Bill,

    If this trade were made, do you think anyone would spin the trade as basically being Nurse and Draisaitl for Larsson?

    That’s worse than Hall for Larsson 1 for 1.

  88. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playofff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY 20
    SJS 18
    VGK 7

    Central
    WPG 17
    NSH 13
    STL 10

    Wildcard
    DAL 4
    MIN 0

    Out of playoffs
    COL 0
    ARI -1
    CHI -1
    VAN -1
    ANA -3
    EDM -5
    LAK -7

  89. ashley says:

    LT said: “Lots of smoke around Hall to Edmonton…”

    I’d rather trade for Seguin.

    It would be so Oilers to sign an oft-injured one year wonder to a Hart worthy contract until he is 37 securing another decade of misery.

  90. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Eastern Conference Playofff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Atlantic
    TBY 35
    BOS 18
    TOR 17

    Metropolitan
    NYI 18
    WSH 13
    PIT 11

    Wildcard
    MTL 11
    CBJ 10

    Out of playoffs
    CAR 8
    BUF 4
    PHI 3
    FLA 2
    NYR 1
    NJD -6
    DET -6
    OTT -10

    Everything went wrong for CAR last night.

    No relevant games today.

  91. --hudson-- says:

    Terry Jones observed 8 scouts at the game last night, it seems a low number from his perspective.
    https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/jones-where-are-the-scouts-as-oilers-lose-another-one-at-home/

    Makes it seem as though there won’t be much trade activity for the Oilers.

  92. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ashley,

    one year wonder

    Can you please point out which year was the Wonder Year?

    Here’s his Relative 5v5 Goal Share from each year in his career:

    Season GF% Rel
    20102011 1.7
    20112012 9.71
    20122013 10.55
    20132014 8.76
    20142015 15.13
    20152016 12.87
    20162017 10.72
    20172018 13.71
    20182019 13.19

  93. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Forwards
    McDavid 12.5
    Draisaitl 8.5
    RNH 6
    Lucic 6
    Hall 6
    Gagner 3.15
    Kassian 1.95
    Brodziak 1.15
    Cave 0.675
    Khaira 1.5

    Dmen
    Sekera 5.5
    Klefbom 4.167
    Larsson 4.167
    Russell 4.0
    Nurse 3.2
    Benning 1.9
    7th Dman 1.0

    Goalies
    Koskinen 4.5
    Backup 1.0

    Buried
    Manning 1.175

    Buyouts
    Pouliot 1.333
    Gryba 0.3

    Total 79.667

    Still need to add a few minor players, but I haven’t subtracted anyone substantial either.

    Cap will be $83MM next year

    Getting Hall in under the cap next year is easy-peasy.

    The year after will be a bit tighter if he’s $10MM but there’s tons of movement between then and now.

    After that it should be ok as the new NBC deal will add ~$8MM/team on the cap.

    Getting Hall under the cap isn’t a big deal.

  94. Jethro Tull says:

    The problem of cap management was that we signed bad players to bad contracts. This should never, ever stop you from trying to get good players. Where do I see Hall signing a 3yr $6.5M? Tampa. Because they have not been afraid to spend the big bucks on cap friendly contracts. Although they are only two or three players having a bad year from panic mode, just like most teams. They are VERY committed to their stars staying healthy or the juniors being able to step up.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/lightning

    Although they’re still paying Vinny Lecavalier and Matt Carle (before Stevie’s and Julien’s time there).

  95. Jethro Tull says:

    Hmmm, no to signing good players. Well, let’s get Pete back as GM, then.

  96. ArmchairGM says:

    Ryan: That is a sight to behold.

    Lines 2-4. Wowza that’s like three fourth lines.

    You’re being kind.

  97. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Happy to move pieces around – gets so much easier with three additional NHL forwards I’m not terribly concerned with pairings right now.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    Plan is to run with Koskinen in goal.

    This is important as the org needs more information on what he brings and will reasonably bring in the future. One would have thought they’d collect this info prior to the major commitment (in particular giving middling results, at best, so far) but we are where we are.

    I do want to see what we have on Stolarz – injuries have derailed his career a bit but he’s got pedigree and some success at the NHL level.

    Go goalies!

  99. Sierra says:

    ArmchairGM: If he says that he’ll be on the trade block. And NJ can trade him wherever they want.

    You missed my point. Hall would be stating that publicly so that all teams know this thereby eliminating the teams he has no interesting remaining with long term, like the Edmonton Oilers. Why would the Oilers trade for Hall if they knew he was going to test free agency?

  100. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Haven’t read the thread.

    Did anyone mention ARI was on their 3rd in 4 nights in 3 different cities?

    That is an Actual “Schedule Loss”

    People throw that term around a lot in the wrong spots, but that’s actually it.

  101. ArmchairGM says:

    Ryan: That’s insane.

    Nurse plus picks for 1-year of Hall?

    Yeah, probably. I’m just demonstrating how easy it would be to fit Hall in next year. I’m not promoting the idea, just taking issue with people saying the money doesn’t work or that he wouldn’t come here (he doesn’t have a say).

  102. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Not giving Hall more than 5 years is the big deal if they get the chance to sign him.

    Injury history is significant and real.

    Aging curves for elite players is broader than average NHLers.

    34 is where you want your last stop to be.

  103. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    ashley,

    one year wonder

    Can you please point out which year was the Wonder Year?

    Here’s his Relative 5v5 Goal Share from each year in his career:

    SeasonGF% Rel
    201020111.7
    201120129.71
    2012201310.55
    201320148.76
    2014201515.13
    2015201612.87
    2016201710.72
    2017201813.71
    2018201913.19

    – Based on 82 games a year, that’s an awesome player. Based on actual games played, assuming he isn’t back this year: he will have missed approx. 140 games out of the 700.

    – That 20% games missed is a real thing. One would expect that his missed games goes up (or his effectiveness decreases as he re-tools his game) as he ages

    – The year Ashley is referring to is the Hart year: where he was healthy for the season, shot 5% higher than career average, and was a PP heater, then went out meekly in playoffs

    – Sure sign Hall for $4.5MM. But he will get paid north of $7. I wouldn’t touch him with a 10-foot pole unless he wanted to sign a really really big discount to go to the team that disrespected him.

    – Its just a narrative that is being spun to deflect from the issues we have, and some nostalgia: “if only we had kept Hall we would have no problems”.

    – Sign 29 year old Hall and maybe he gives you a healthy year, then he’s out for 20 games + the next: that’s part of the reason they traded him: he was the Forward version of the Sek problem

    – When he was out there was a big hole that you can’t fill, because injuries make it hard to plan, and the cap is locked in.

    – Find the next Hall: be smart, trade with someone and then have that guy turn it around here

  104. ArmchairGM says:

    Sierra: he has no interesting remaining with long term, like the Edmonton Oilers.

    We don’t know that.

  105. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Not giving Hall more than 5 years is the big deal if they get the chance to sign him.

    Injury history is significant and real.

    Aging curves for elite players is broader than average NHLers.

    34 is where you want your last stop to be.

    He’ll be 28 when he hits free agency. Would you do 6 x $9M?

  106. Ryan says:

    –hudson–:
    Terry Jones observed 8 scouts at the game last night, it seems a low number from his perspective.
    https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/jones-where-are-the-scouts-as-oilers-lose-another-one-at-home/

    Makes it seem as though there won’t be much trade activity for the Oilers.

    The Oilers don’t have any rentals that are going to move the dial very much for a playoff contender.

    Our rentals are for the proverbial bargin bin shoppers 10 minutes before store closing on Christmas eve.

  107. Jordan says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Greatly appreciate the numbers you’re providing re: Hall and the context you’re setting.

    I don’t know if he’d be willing or interested, but I’d love to have #4 back. What he brings would help this team. Full stop.

    Woodguy v2.0:
    ashley,

    one year wonder

    Can you please point out which year was the Wonder Year?

    Here’s his Relative 5v5 Goal Share from each year in his career:

    SeasonGF% Rel
    201020111.7
    201120129.71
    2012201310.55
    201320148.76
    2014201515.13
    2015201612.87
    2016201710.72
    2017201813.71
    2018201913.19

    Year 2010/11 is the outlier.
    Although to be honest part of this story is how bad some of the teams he’s played on have been.

    I’d really like Oilers hockey to not be synonymous with ELPH. Anyone else?

  108. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Forwards
    McDavid12.5
    Draisaitl8.5
    RNH6
    Lucic6
    Hall6
    Gagner3.15
    Kassian1.95
    Brodziak1.15
    Cave0.675
    Khaira1.5

    Dmen
    Sekera5.5
    Klefbom4.167
    Larsson4.167
    Russell4.0
    Nurse3.2
    Benning1.9
    7th Dman 1.0

    Goalies
    Koskinen4.5
    Backup1.0

    Buried
    Manning1.175

    Buyouts
    Pouliot1.333
    Gryba0.3

    Total79.667

    Still need to add a few minor players, but I haven’t subtracted anyone substantial either.

    Cap will be $83MM next year

    Getting Hall in under the cap next year is easy-peasy.

    The year after will be a bit tighter if he’s $10MM but there’s tons of movement between then and now.

    After that it should be ok as the new NBC deal will add ~$8MM/team on the cap.

    Getting Hall under the cap isn’t a big deal.

    Do you really think we should acquire Hall, knowing that he will need to be resigned when he’s 29.

  109. texmex says:

    It’s likely that the players or owners will elect to opt out of the current CBA meaning there is potential for a work stoppage during the 2020/2021 season.

    Hall’s deal expires at the end of the 19/20 season, and if he chooses to go to UFA, he may miss out on 8-10 million if there is a season ending lockout.

    There’s also rumblings that the maximum length of contracts may be reduced in the new CBA (max 5 or 6 years I thought i read).

    If I am Taylor, I sign a bonus heavy contract somewhere next season to ensure I get 90% of my AAV in the event of a lockout. If I don’t plan on signing in NJ, I tell Shero now/next season so he can trade me and I can get a max 7 (or 8 year if he signs with NJ) deal instead of 5 or 6.

  110. Sierra says:

    ArmchairGM: We don’t know that.

    That’s not really the point. You asked how Hall “gets to pick where he wants to play.” I’ve given you the simplest and most logical way he can have a big influence over it.

  111. JimmyV1965 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Based on 82 games a year, that’s an awesome player.Based on actual games played, assuming he isn’t back this year: he will have missed approx. 140 games out of the 700.

    – That 20% games missed is a real thing.One would expect that his missed games goes up (or his effectiveness decreases as he re-tools his game) as he ages

    – The year Ashley is referring to is the Hart year: where he was healthy for the season, shot 5% higher than career average, and was a PP heater, then went out meekly in playoffs

    – Sure sign Hall for $4.5MM.But he will get paid north of $7.I wouldn’t touch him with a 10-foot pole unless he wanted to sign a really really big discount to go to the team that disrespected him.

    – Its just a narrative that is being spun to deflect from the issues we have, and some nostalgia: “if only we had kept Hall we would have no problems”.

    – Sign 29 year old Hall and maybe he gives you a healthy year, then he’s out for 20 games + the next: that’s part of the reason they traded him: he was the Forward version of the Sek problem

    –When he was out there was a big hole that you can’t fill, because injuries make it hard to plan, and the cap is locked in.

    – Find the next Hall: be smart, trade with someone and then have that guy turn it around here

    If you could sign Hall for $7 mill for six years that’s likely a good deal. But that’s not even close to what he signs for. Nylander got $7 mill this year. In two years Hall likely gets $10 mill +. I totally agree with finding the next Hall.

  112. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: Do you really think we should acquire Hall, knowing that he will need to be resigned when he’s 29.

    28

  113. JimmyV1965 says:

    ArmchairGM: He’ll be 28 when he hits free agency. Would you do 6 x $9M?

    He’ll actually be 29 that November.

  114. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: He’ll actually be 29 that November.

    You won’t be signing a 29-year-old, which is what you’ve been saying.

  115. JimmyV1965 says:

    ArmchairGM: 28

    29 that November

  116. Bulging Twine says:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/kaapo-kakko-catch-jack-hughes-top-2019-nhl-draft-prospect/

    Kaapo Kakko scoring at rates higher than Barkov and Laine at the same age.

  117. Alpine says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Not giving Hall more than 5 years is the big deal if they get the chance to sign him.

    Injury history is significant and real.

    Aging curves for elite players is broader than average NHLers.

    34 is where you want your last stop to be.

    Gaborik was amazing and he signed for 5 years x 7.5 million after playing 17 games in his UFA year. NYR got three great years out of him and then shipped off before he declined and got injured.

    I think that’s the template for Hall. Pacioretty only signed for 4 years at age 29. Shattenkirk signed for 4 years too. Haven’t seen a truly elite player take less term than normal and I don’t know if Hall wants to do the Oilers a favour in that regard, lol.

  118. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: Hall, knowing that he will need to be resigned when he’s 29.

    He’ll be 28 when he needs to be re-signed.

    Pedantic I know, but let’s be accurate.

  119. ArmchairGM says:

    Bulging Twine:
    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/kaapo-kakko-catch-jack-hughes-top-2019-nhl-draft-prospect/

    Kaapo Kakko scoring at rates higher than Barkov and Laine at the same age.

    But lower than Puljujarvi.

  120. Andy Dufresne says:

    Munny:
    It’s tough to tempt fish back into the fishbowl once they’ve had a taste of life outside it.

    Thats odd. Every time I take my fish out of thier bowl they seem somewhat desperate to get back in there. 🙂

  121. LadiesloveSmid says:

    How many oiler forwards get claimed off waivers that played last night?

    RNH, Draisaitl, Chiasson?

    Rattie, Gagner, & Malone have cleared. Cave was on waivers. Currie is a minor leaguer.

    No one touches Lucic, would someone take Kassian at $1.9M outright?

    Brodziak is nothing.

    Rieder has 0G and is paid $2M.

  122. Bulging Twine says:

    ArmchairGM: But lower than Puljujarvi.

    Much higher

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    Three Things

    #3) At what point does Jay Woodcroft get a long look for a head coaching position? Early days still but man he’s coaching up a damn good team in the Bake right now.

    I’ve been following the Condors very close all year and, from their play, and from what I hear out of his mouth, Jay W. has been doing a great job. I understand why his name is starting to come up in the conversation for the NHL head coaching job but I think I’d like him to have more experience head coaching at the pro level than just the one year.

    Just like out player prospects, lets let him develop and gain experience.

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish1168:
    Going into last evening game I was very optimistic we had a chance to get 2 points. But when you only get 1 shot on a 5-3 pp. Our PP has no movement, passes not crisp and slow. Yotes had so much time to recover and defend that it looked like 5-5 play.

    Two players on this team kill any sort of offence we have. Lucic and Rieder. Time they both sit out or play 4th line minutes.

    Overall, the Oilers PP is actually 10th for the season and has been running fairly well lately – I like alot of what they’ve been doing on the PP since the turn of the calendar.

    With that said, as an isolated matter, the 5 on 3 last night was indeed very very very poor – stationary players and really slow puck movement.

    It was a momentum changer.

  125. Darth Tu says:

    JimmyV1965: If you could sign Hall for $7 mill for six years that’s likely a good deal. But that’s not even close to what he signs for. Nylander got $7 mill this year. In two years Hall likely gets $10 mill +. I totally agree with finding the next Hall.

    Does anyone have a rough estimate on how many players signed on big FA contracts actually provide value? The obvious one we have in house is Lucic, and clearly he’s not providing value for his…

    There has to come a point when teams will start realising locking up a 29/30 year old for 6/7 years on
    a high cap hit contract is maybe bad business.

    I’d love to see Hall back here, purely to get some skill in the room, but I do recognise the injury history. I’d be leery of committing to more than 4 years at a high cap rate.

  126. ArmchairGM says:

    Bulging Twine: Much higher

    Ah, I was looking at Draft -1 U20 results: JP went 11, 12-6-18 as a 16-year-old. Kakko had good results last year in the same league: 38, 25-30-55.

    Carry on.

    I just hope, if the Oilers pick 2nd, that Kakko doesn’t use the same agent as Jesse.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex:
    flyfish1168,

    The Oilers have 6 wins in their last 27 games. Post deadline, if they offload a few players, they will need to call up AHL level players (not the kids).

    I have been concerned about this for a while now – how is the NHL team going to fill out the roster if they are indeed able to sell of a couple of players/contracts?

    While I agree “not the kids” (and Keith Gretzky has already stated that Benson will not be called up this year), this likely means the likes of P. Russell and Joe G. being called up (in addition to Malone and Currie, if he stays once Khaira is activated).

    Its great to keep the kids down, however, I’m all about that team and its continued success, in particular once Jesse is re-assigned on Saturday, but the call-ups are still going to decimate the team.

  128. slopitch says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Not giving Hall more than 5 years is the big deal if they get the chance to sign him.

    Injury history is significant and real.

    Aging curves for elite players is broader than average NHLers.

    34 is where you want your last stop to be.

    Thats the next GMs problem #yolo 😉

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    bcoil:
    So tell me again how much better this team is going to be under Hitch then it was under Todd..Hitch and his old school bully management style and hischip it out chip it in style is killing us . I want to know who decided on Hitch and Who is pushing to keep PJ in the NHL ..Find that out and we will know a big part of the managment problems with this Team

    Hitch has been just awful, terrible.

    I was excited given his early verbals but so many decisions that I just don’t understand, in particular with forward deployment and putting players in positions to fail.

    Not to mention, from various accounts, he had a material part in the Manning acquisition……

    I generally try and give decisions made by coaches and managers the benefit of the doubt and try and see their reasoning, even if I don’t agree with it, however Hitch has done ALOT where I can’t even figure out what his logical reasoning is.

    Sure, he’s the hall of fame coach and I’m an internet poster, however, I just don’t understand his thought process consistently.

  130. RonnieB says:

    ArmchairGM: He’ll be 28 when he needs to be re-signed.

    Pedantic I know, but let’s be accurate.

    You seem to be missing the point about his age. He might be 28 when he signs but he will be 29 on November 14th in Year 1 of his next contract.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Right now it sounds like JP and his agent are pushing to keep JP in the NHL.

    They seem to be but, from some accounts, the organization will be sending him to the AHL upon his activation from IR (this weekend).

    His agent can go pound sound – its not his agent’s choice and his agent is doing a disservice to his client, his development and his long-term success. I feel confident the organization will not placate to his “demands”.

  132. giddy says:

    Are we even sure we should be big game hunting for guys like Hall? Lets say we get Hall at something like $9m.

    We now have an extremely elite top end — McDavid, Draisaitl, Hall and Nuge. But who do we have outside of that? Are we going to pray Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are ready to take top wing spots? Pray that Gagner has an incredible bounce back to his form in CBJ? Keep rotating plugs in hoping one of them can hold their own on a top line, ala Rattie? Our third line is still non existent.

    And then God forbid one of our main four goes down. Like noted earlier, Hall has missed roughly 20% of the games each season, and is only getting older. Hall misses 15 games, and that’s 15 games where you see the same putrid forwards line up as we’ve seen the last 15 games, minus yesterday (which showed the horrors of what the forward depth here looks like without McDavid).

    The safer bet overall seems to be grabbing 2-3 solid middle-top six guys. A Craig Smith, Brock Nelson, Bryan Little-esq player at ~$4.5m/AAV. Good for 40-50+ points a year. Not only does this spread the skill out more, but hedges against injuries as well. Two guys scoring 45~ points at $4.5m each likely hood of both being injured at the same time is much less than one guy putting up 75+ points at $9m/AAV.

    Just some ideas. I realize the Oil have been searching for some reasonable solid middle-top six guys like I mentioned for the last two seasons, but I am just trying to say that moving towards a bit more of a balanced forward roster might be more ideal. Right now with McD, Drai and Nuge the Oilers are built like someone stuffed a 700 HP Corvette engine into a Pontiac Sunfire. Sounds nice, lots of power under the hood, but with stock transmission, diffs, cooling system, etc. it’s losing races against Honda Civics because the car overall can’t get power to the ground…

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock: Yes, we should definitely blame Leon for the idiotic pass by Russell and the Sekera/Benning tire fire.

    I mean maybe he could have backchecked better on the 2nd goal but that was more sloppy D than anything else.

    Certainly Leon showed that if you set up your teammates 8,000 times, they will score once or twice.

    Where did I blame Leon for the goals against? I simply stated that he was on the ice for two 5 on 5 goals against – its something that happens consistently when he’s away from McDavid and, yes, some of the time he’s directly responsible, some of the time he has partial culpability and some of the time he has zero culpability.

    Seconds after the 1st goal last night, I directly pointed out the Russell “clear” to the point. At the same time, that terrible clear directly leading to the goal was at the end of about a minute of o-zone possession time by the Yotes (give or take) – now I haven’t, and am not going to, go and review the film but I’m guessing the forward trio had some issues on shift – just a guess.

  134. ArmchairGM says:

    RonnieB: You seem to be missing the point about his age.He might be 28 when he signs but he will be 29on November 14th in Year 1 of his next contract.

    I’m well aware of that. What makes you think I’m not?

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Currie plays 5 minutes last night. What the hell is the point? He’s fourth in the AHL in goals with 24 already. What are they worried about? That they’ll lose the dynamic offense of Tobias Reider and Milan Lucic. I would understand 5 minutes if the team was playing well or if they didn’t have a bunch of garbage wingers, but Currie could very well be better than any winger on the team, which ain’t saying much.

    Yup, the Currie deployment was very disappointing but extremely predictable (as I, and others, pointed out once the initial lines came out and he was to be deployed with Brodziak and not with skill).

    Assuming the same on Thursday (and why would we assume any different?), here is hoping he is back in Bakersfield for their game on Saturday night – he can take his teammates out for desert after with the new cash in his pocket.

  136. jzed says:

    Put Currie on the 1st line and tell him to shoot the puck and crash the net every chance he gets, can’t be any worse than Lucic, really, he can’t. Stress the shooting because I saw him pass from inside the dot to someone with his skates under the red line. Goodness knows how low percentage those stuff plays are except when you are playing against the Oil.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne: Currie, Rattie, Gagner, etc. not Hitch types. All not likely to succeed in a Hitch style system.

    Like us Old Timers like to say, “There’s a hitch in their Giddy Up”

    Spooner, Zykov, etc.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu: I thought as much, I wasn’t sure if the shoulder injury had screwed him up completely, I think the second thing he went down with this year was a broken rib – so shouldn’t really have any long term ramifications.Agree on not helping the Ducks with the cap issues, obviously no way we really could with our cap situation as well.I recall Original Pouzar saying a few days ago, with the Khaira and Pool Party to IR move we’re running dangerously close to our limit (or over it) at the moment anyways.

    Ya, we’ve got like $400K of room or so right now.

    When JP and Khaira come off IR, there will be a couple bodies out that will give more room.

    With that said, from accounts, Khaira may have a hairline fracture from the shot block, he may be out for a while….

  139. ArmchairGM says:

    giddy: .

    We now have an extremely elite top end — McDavid, Draisaitl, Hall and Nuge. But who do we have outside of that? Are we going to pray Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are ready to take top wing spots? Pray that Gagner has an incredible bounce back to his form in CBJ? Keep rotating plugs in hoping one of them can hold their own on a top line, ala Rattie? Our third line is still non existent.

    Puljujarvi has ALWAYS had good numbers on the 1st line.
    The second line would be Hall – Nuge – Kakko / Cozens
    The 3rd could be straight out of AHL (at least for 20-21): Benson – Marody – Yamamoto. We have Khaira, Cave, Gambardella and a few others who might be able to play 3rd line, too.

  140. ArmchairGM says:

    giddy: The safer bet overall seems to be grabbing 2-3 solid middle-top six guys. A Craig Smith, Brock Nelson, Bryan Little-esq player at ~$4.5m/AAV. Good for 40-50+ points a year. Not only does this spread the skill out more, but hedges against injuries as well. Two guys scoring 45~ points at $4.5m each likely hood of both being injured at the same time is much less than one guy putting up 75+ points at $9m/AAV.

    I agree. The injury comment is key – in my previous response to you I had worked out some epic lines, but one or 2 well placed injuries and the team won’t make the playoffs again.

  141. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: They seem to be but, from some accounts, the organization will be sending him to the AHL upon his activation from IR (this weekend).

    His agent can go pound sound – its not his agent’s choice and his agent is doing a disservice to his client, his development and his long-term success. I feel confident the organization will not placate to his “demands”.

    Should be one of the “risk mitigation factors” that come into play when deciding who to draft. Who is his agent? Remember the Yak.

    I normally like organizations whose managment take risks. But when you win the “generational lottery” you should immediately enhance your risk mitigation strategy.

    No long term trade protected contracts for old guys.
    All other things being equal: Take the kid from the OHL over the kid from the QMJHL. Take the kid who plays in the CHL over the kid who plays overseas. Take the kid with the tools starting with Hockey IQ and Skating. Take the kid with the smart Agent ( No Uncles or Parents or One Client agents) Take the kid with the best health history ( in other words dont take risks on kids who fall due to health issues). Etc Etc

    Yak and JP Risk could have been avoided.
    Jarmo Kekäläinen avoided JP
    Brian Burke had Morgan Reilly over Yak
    Benson was an injury risk (trending ok but a risk at the time)
    Etc.

    Not prudent on my part to give specific examples like the ones above. But just alluding to the idea in general of what kind of risk mitigation does the organization employ knowing that all other things being equal, they own the best competitive advantage in the league in Conner McDavid.

    A league average roster with above average goaltending and Conner McDavid wins Championships.

  142. oilersfan says:

    I wanted the Gagner for Spooner trade for a few weeks and frankly i think Gagner looks much better than Spooner did, despite his lack of speed.

    I am wondering what you smart people on this board would think of Russell for Cogliano. Cogs played 12 minutes last night. Dallas is running 3 dmen 27 minutes per night. I suspect Dallas would consider a 4/5 guy like Russell who can play 18-22 minutes, especially if he can play on his left side.

    They both have 2 more years left on their contract, Cogs make 3.25. It gives the Oilers more speed on the wing, and an excellent PKer, and who knows, maybe him with Gagner and Nuge could be a good second line.

    Frankly i would prefer to trade Russell for a fourth round pick or something without retaining anything and having the cap space, but i dont think anybody would do that. I know Russell has a NMC but i susoect he would waive to go to a playoff team.

    Sekera looks to me like he could play in russell’s spot and Gravel could play on the third pair LD.

    thoughts?

  143. Professor Q says:

    oilersfan,

    Trade The Mall has now become Bring The Mall Home.

    I like it.

  144. jzed says:

    Malls are obsolete now with all the online commerce, just saying

  145. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    For all the praise the Jets and Cheveldayoff get, if I was a Jets fan I’d be a little nervous about Wheeler and Little over the next 5 seasons.

  146. Primetime says:

    Professor Q:
    oilersfan,

    Trade The Mall has now become Bring The Mall Home.

    Since we are re-visiting bringing home ex-players, why not re-visit old trades that I think were close to being done in the past.

    Minnesota is soon to be without any difference making centres. Staal can leave for free agency, Koivu is old and breaking down. Granlund is ok, but Fenton was so desperate for a centre, he traded Nino for Rask.

    An RNH for Dumba trade has long been floated, and I heard (rumour only) that it was being discussed right before the Hall-Larsen trade was chosen instead.

    Would we re-visit that trade now? Dumba is signed for longer at the same money than RNH. Does it fill a bigger need? I know he is coming off injury, but should heal fine….

    What if it expanded a bit to include Benning on our side, and a winger (hopefully with speed) from their side?

  147. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Fun Fact: the Oil have a 6% chance of making playoffs. If the season ended today, we have a 8.5% chance of getting 1st overall pick (and 17% of top-2)

    – I asked a few weeks ago about what is best for team: playoffs or lottery: I get Bob has to say we are playoffs (I hope he doesn’t actually believe it), but we are way better off with a lottery pick

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: I didn’t see Leon at fault on either goal.
    First goal was a lame duck pass up the middle by Russell. Second goal was Nuge getting beat to the net off a rebound.
    How was Drai at fault?

    I never said he was at fault and I spoke to this in a response about half an hour ago.

  149. Andy Dufresne says:

    oilersfan:
    I wanted the Gagner for Spooner trade for a few weeks and frankly i think Gagner looks much better than Spooner did, despite his lack of speed.

    I am wondering what you smart people on this board would think of Russell for Cogliano. Cogs played 12 minutes last night. Dallas is running 3 dmen 27 minutes per night. I suspect Dallas would consider a 4/5 guy like Russell who can play 18-22 minutes, especially if he can play on his left side.

    They both have 2 more years left on their contract, Cogs make 3.25. It gives the Oilers more speed on the wing, and an excellent PKer, and who knows, maybe him with Gagner and Nuge could be a good third line.

    Frankly i would prefer to trade Russell for a fourth round pick or something without retaining anything and having the cap space, but i dont think anybody would do that. I know Russell has a NMC but i susoect he would waive to go to aplayoff team.

    Sekera looks to me like he could play in russell’s spot and Gravel could play on the third pair LD.

    thoughts?

    I like the logic. I would do it.

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sierra:
    NHL

    EDMONTON OILERS
    1h ago
    Hitchcock on wild-card race: ‘We’re playing the best’

    https://www.tsn.ca/hitchcock-on-wild-card-race-we-re-playing-the-best-1.1260615

    “We know we have to go on an a run. Of all the teams around there I feel like our team is playing the best. We’re not winning, but we’re playing the best. Eventually, it’s going to have to translate into wins. You can’t keep living off of, ‘We’re playing well.’ You have to take the next step, but five of the last six games are the best we’ve played in a long time.”

    I do agree with him that they have been playing well.

    Imagine when they start slumping…….

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: How does he get to pick where he wants to play? He has another year on his contract and no trade protection clauses. If NJ wants to trade him, they have a free hand.

    I believe they were talking about in free agency, when his contract is up.

    I don’t think anyone purports to pay the acquisition cost for Hall and not have it in conjunction with an extension (which can be signed on July 1). That would be egregious.

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glass:
    The Islanders are a good team. Surely a loss to them puts the nail in the coffin and makes us sellers at the deadline in the eyes of Keith Gretzky and Bob Nicholson

    I would posit they already are sellers in their minds notwithstanding their recent verbal – they don’t really have a choice but to talk about the playoffs still being possible.

    Also, prior to last night’s loss, Nicholson did say expressly, they need to win these three games at home to get back in it and its their last chance to get back in….

  153. ArmchairGM says:

    Primetime: Since we are re-visiting bringing home ex-players, why not re-visit old trades that I think were close to being done in the past.

    Minnesota is soon to be without any difference making centres.Steal can leave for free agency, Koivu is old and breaking down.Granlund is ok, but Fenton was so desperate for a centre, he traded Nino for Rask.

    An RNH for Dumba trade has long been floated, and I heard (rumour only) that it was being discussed right before the Hall-Larsen trade was chosen instead.

    Would we re-visit that trade now?Dumba is signed for longer at the same money than RNH.Does it fill a bigger need?I know he is coming off injury, but should heal fine….

    What if it expanded a bit to include Benning on our side, and a winger (hopefully with speed) from their side?

    I’ve long pined for a Nurse-Dumba pairing. Not sure what the right price is and would hate to see Nuge go, but it’s intriguing for sure.

  154. Oddspell says:

    oilersfan,

    I happily make that trade, then try to bring in Nick Jensen in the summer to play 2RD. If we add a skilled winger on top of that, and maybe another bottom six forward to upgrade on Chiasson (I wonder if we could get Pageau without giving up too much), then I think this is a wildcard capable team without relying on steps from the young’ns.

  155. JimmyV1965 says:

    ArmchairGM: You won’t be signing a 29-year-old, which is what you’ve been saying.

    You can call him whatever age you like. He’ll be 29 one month after the season starts. What’s more accurate, 28 or 29?

  156. OriginalPouzar says:

    PinkSocks:
    Not sure if this was mentioned last night.When Hitch rightfully takes his timeout with the 5 on 3 to get the only forwards capable of scoring a breather, why in the actual fuck is Glen Gultzan, the man with a track record of inexcusably horrendous powerplays, giving instructions to the PP1 unit?Viveiros was on the bench, I saw him.#FreeManny

    Gulutzan has been running the PP since day 1. I have no idea if Viverios’ role has increased since Hitch took over but this should not have been surprising.

    As an aside, as terrible as that 5 on 3 was last night, the Gulutzan run PP is 10th in the league.

  157. JimmyV1965 says:

    Darth Tu: Does anyone have a rough estimate on how many players signed on big FA contracts actually provide value?The obvious one we have in house is Lucic, and clearly he’s not providing value for his…

    There has to come a point when teams will start realising locking up a 29/30 year old for 6/7 years ona high cap hit contract is maybe bad business.

    I’d love to see Hall back here, purely to get some skill in the room, but I do recognise the injury history.I’d be leery of committing to more than 4 years at a high cap rate.

    +1000. Signing guys on the first day of free agency is death. I’m sure there’s one or two homeruns, but geez it’s a bad idea. Maybe it changes in the future if guys become reluctant to automatically resign with their current teams.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: Just like JP is an impact player for sure.

    OK, Connor and Drai, even Nuge have succeeded DESPITE development.They are exceptions.People are STILL trusting the same guys who have over and over again shown their inability to draft and develop players outside of generational of exceptional, sometimes even #1 OVs.

    Until the process is changed, higher draft picks just mean shinier toys to destroy.

    They have had some issues with very high picks as they don’t seem able to allow top 5 forward picks to not play in the NHL in their draft plus 1 seasons, however, there have been examples of proper (or better) development for other first rounders – Eberle, Klefbom, Nurse (finally Yamamoto after two poor NHL stints he should never be a part if).

    Also, yes, historically, outside the 1st round, they have developed very few players that have “made it” – Khaira and Davidson being recent exceptions.

    With that said, the development of their non-first round picks over the last 3 years or so seem to be on track. Many players exceeding their draft pedigree such as Bear, Jones, Lagesson. Benson is realizing his draft pedigree.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bill:
    If the cost to acquire Hall(signed to a new contract) from NJD was Leon and Nurse, how many of y’all would bite?

    I wouldn’t trade Leon straight up for Hall, even if they were at the same cap hit (and Hall’s next contract will be over $8.5M). Age and prime are real things….

  160. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I have been concerned about this for a while now – how is the NHL team going to fill out the roster if they are indeed able to sell of a couple of players/contracts?

    While I agree “not the kids” (and Keith Gretzky has already stated that Benson will not be called up this year), this likely means the likes of P. Russell and Joe G. being called up (in addition to Malone and Currie, if he stays once Khaira is activated).

    Its great to keep the kids down, however, I’m all about that team and its continued success, in particular once Jesse is re-assigned on Saturday, but the call-ups are still going to decimate the team.

    There should be a bunch of guys hitting the waiver wire. Pick up some guys that way. Maybe include some plugs in any deal.

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    The second line going out in the OT last night was COLBY CAVE, SAMWISE, and SEKERA.

    AHL, AHL, ACL.

    and Colby Cave almost scored…..

  162. Klima's_Bucket says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    San Jose hasn’t been afraid to roll the dice with Burns, Kane and now Karlsson.

  163. Andy Dufresne says:

    Primetime: Since we are re-visiting bringing home ex-players, why not re-visit old trades that I think were close to being done in the past.

    Minnesota is soon to be without any difference making centres.Staal can leave for free agency, Koivu is old and breaking down.Granlund is ok, but Fenton was so desperate for a centre, he traded Nino for Rask.

    An RNH for Dumba trade has long been floated, and I heard (rumour only) that it was being discussed right before the Hall-Larsen trade was chosen instead.

    Would we re-visit that trade now?Dumba is signed for longer at the same money than RNH.Does it fill a bigger need?I know he is coming off injury, but should heal fine….

    What if it expanded a bit to include Benning on our side, and a winger (hopefully with speed) from their side?

    Thats a tough one. Dumba is the RHD we need so badly.

    But we are SO depleted in the top six forwards.

    As much as I love Nuge, I think Minnesota would require the sweetner, no?

    We are short by at least 2 bonafide top six forwards right now. Moving Nuge would make it 3.

    So I think if we did this it would have to be in conjucntion with trading D Prospects and Picks to get at least 2 more forwards. And we’d have to fit them in under the cap so they couldnt be Stone / Panarin qaulity.

    Top 4 RHD in their prime are SO rare in the open trade market ( larssoncoughcough ) . Very tempting. The deciding factor might be that Dumba is signed for 4 more years after this one and Nuge just for two more years.

    Larsson, Klefbom, Nurse, Dumba, Jones, Bouchard and youre set on defense for next 4 ro 5 years.

    How much money does anyone in here think Nuge signs his next deal for as a UFA?

    Reality is we are two years away from knowing what we have in terms of a balanced roster via prospect graduation. Right now it looks like we will be fairly healthy on D with the graduation of Bouchard, Jones, Lagesson, Persson, Samarukov and Bear.
    Playing under/alongside Larsson, Klefbom, Nurse.

    We’ve got RHN in his 26 and 27 yr old seasons at $6m which is at least fair market value.

    Once again the whole thing hinges on what RNH next contract will look like. IMO If we got RNH at 5×5 on his next contract then great. If hes going to cost more than that, then Dumba would probably be better value.

  164. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Bill:
    If the cost to acquire Hall(signed to a new contract) from NJD was Leon and Nurse, how many of y’all would bite?

    This trade would be almost as bad as Hall for Larsson. Yuck.

  165. Ben says:

    If the Oilers did have the cap space to blow their brains out on a winger, I do Stone 100 times before Hall (and I like Hall).

    I can hardly think of a player in the league I think would be a better fit with McDavid than Stone. Excellent catch-and-pass player, great shooter.

  166. Alpine says:

    I like the Russell for Cogliano idea. Another good spot for Russell might be Montreal who are playing guys like Reilly and Kulak in their top four. Maybe they’d like another veteran back there. I don’t know who or what you’d get back from them.

  167. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Think Jesper Fast could be this deadline’s Patrick Maroon?

    Scored at 1.59P/60 5v5 the last 3 seasons.

    Oil should be after Brett Connolly in FA.

  168. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Primetime,

    I think a Nuge for Dumba trade is probably close to equal value but the problem is that it does not make the Oilers better. Now you have a 2RD but you only have 2 NHL calibre forwards…… it is just rearranging deck chairs.

    There are only two ways for the Oilers to improve: 1) draft and develop cheap talent and 2) fleece other teams in trades. RNH for Dumba is too close in terms of talent in and talent out to actually improve the team. It changes the team but does not increase the overall talent level.

  169. giddy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Gulutzan has been running the PP since day 1.I have no idea if Viverios’ role has increased since Hitch took over but this should not have been surprising.

    As an aside, as terrible as that 5 on 3 was last night, the Gulutzan run PP is 10th in the league.

    That’s 10th in the league with what, one goal from PP2 all year? I’m not sure whether that is a good or bad indicator of Gulutzan’s work on the PP.

    Overall, the PP is one of few things that is above average (in a good way) on this Oilers team–and this is being done without a true point shot or PP QB. That said, any PP with that has McDavid, Draisaitl and Nuge on at once should be at minimum slightly above league average.

  170. Ben says:

    Andy Dufresne: RNH for Dumba

    Depth on D isn’t *great*, but is bearable when healthy, with some really promising players bubbling under.

    Forward depth, on the other hand, is a straight-up emergency. Only way you can contemplate something like RNH for Dumba (and I think RNH is the better player today), is if you’re turning around and doing Nurse for something like RNH. So…why do it at all?

  171. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: That is a sight to behold.

    Lines 2-4. Wowza that’s like three fourth lines.

    Yup, it certainly doesn’t look good – at the same time, that forward group, as a whole, played not too bad last night – much better than expected – scoring chances, pass completions, zone exits, offensive possession time, etc.

  172. Andy Dufresne says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    OriginalPouzar,

    San Jose hasn’t been afraid to roll the dice with Burns, Kane and now Karlsson.

    Risk taking at its finest.

  173. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex:
    It’s likely that the players or owners will elect to opt out of the current CBA meaning there is potential for a work stoppage during the 2020/2021 season.

    Hall’s deal expires at the end of the 19/20 season, and if he chooses to go to UFA, he may miss out on 8-10 million if there is a season ending lockout.

    There’s also rumblings that the maximum length of contracts may be reduced in the new CBA (max 5 or 6 years I thought i read).

    If I am Taylor, I sign a bonus heavy contract somewhere next season to ensure I get 90% of my AAV in the event of a lockout. If I don’t plan on signing in NJ, I tell Shero now/next season so he can trade me and I can get a max 7 (or 8 year if he signs with NJ) deal instead of 5 or 6.

    This is a valid point.

    I am actually hopeful (and cautiously optimistic) that a work stoppage won’t be necessary but we are a long way’s away from that.

    I do think that two things that will be looked at are max contract length and the crazy signing bonus structure.

  174. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: You can call him whatever age you like. He’ll be 29 one month after the season starts. What’s more accurate, 28 or 29?

    You wrote “he will need to be resigned when he’s 29.” He will be re-signed by June 2020 at the latest (and as early as July 2019) yet he doesn’t turn 29 until November 2020.

    Your statement is patently false, so don’t talk to me about accuracy.

    … and that’s all I’m going to say about this subject.

  175. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: This is a valid point.

    I am actually hopeful (and cautiously optimistic) that a work stoppage won’t be necessary but we are a long way’s away from that.

    I do think that two things that will be looked at are max contract length and the crazy signing bonus structure.

    And new “anti Oilers” Lottery rules. 🙂

  176. RonnieB says:

    ArmchairGM: I’m well aware of that. What makes you think I’m not?

    Oh, I don’t know. Maybe it’s because when others point out the risk of giving a 29 year old player a large contract with term, you keep arguing that he will only be 28. Actually, since he will be eligible to sign an extension after June 30th, 2019 you might equally argue that he will only be 27. His age when the contract begins is much more significant than his age at signing.

  177. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    ArmchairGM,

    – He will be in his 30th year in the 2020 season: oewwwww!

  178. Ben says:

    Sounds like Charlie Coyle on the move. $3.2 for another year, scores like a decent third liner.

    Precisely the kind of guy I’d love to trade Russell for.

  179. pts2pndr says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan:
    Hall (signed to extension) to EDM, Nurse (signed to extension), Lucic with $2.5M retained per year and 2019 1st (unprotected) to NJ? Something like that might actually save JP’s career.

    At what Hall will be payed plus the 2.5 retained Hall would cost us as much or more than McDavid! For that money and given we need more than one more winger that can score the bottom line is we simply can not afford Taylor Hall.

  180. Bag of Pucks says:

    If you’re Taylor Hall, this is what you think of when someone mentions a return to Edmonton…

    https://goo.gl/images/6EiaRG

    And this us what Jersey makes you think of….

    https://goo.gl/images/jAorpa

  181. RonnieB says:

    pts2pndr: At what Hall will be payed plus the 2.5 retained Hall would cost us as much or more than McDavid! For that money and given we need more than one more winger that can score the bottom line is we simply can not afford Taylor Hall.

    Good point. Also, since neither Hall nor Nurse will be eligible to sign an extension prior to July 1st, the suggested trade with our 2019 1st could not occur without a double circumvention of the rules.

  182. OmJo says:

    Devils have ~$13M in cap space.

    Hall

    for

    Lucic
    Russell
    1st 2019
    2nd 2020
    Jesse Puljujarvi
    Ethan Bear
    Joel Persson

    Not just for Hall, but to shed two Chiarelli contracts. The Devils get a haul for Hall. Heh. Two birds with one stone. Give us $4M extra to play with this summer to get some F depth. Never gonna happen. Probably an overpay but keep in mind theres Russell AND Lucic going back the other way.

    Kassian-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Hall-Nuge-Gagner (the OG Line!!!)
    Reider-Khaira-Chiasson (I’d trade him, too)
    Cave-Brodziak-Rattie
    Currie #BecauseOilers

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Benning
    Sekera-Jones

    Koskinen
    Stolarz

  183. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM: Ah, I was looking at Draft -1 U20 results: JP went 11, 12-6-18 as a 16-year-old. Kakko had good results last year in the same league: 38, 25-30-55.

    Carry on.

    I just hope, if the Oilers pick 2nd, that Kakko doesn’t use the same agent as Jesse.

    I don’t think it matters. I think “Edmonton Oilers” is now a swear word in Finnish hockey (probably in Russia too). Do you really want to test if Kakko will sign with Edmonton? Or Hughes for that matter.

  184. OmJo says:

    pts2pndr: At what Hall will be payed plus the 2.5 retained Hall would cost us as much or more than McDavid! For that money and given we need more than one more winger that can score the bottom line is we simply can not afford Taylor Hall.

    Having two lines that dominate GF% means the bottom two lines don’t have to score AS much.

  185. StixMalone says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!: #3) At what point does Jay Woodcroft get a long look for a head coaching position? Early days still but man he’s coaching up a damn good team in the Bake right now.

    I agree with this 100%. Some will say it’s a small sample size but the players enjoy playing for Woodcroft. He was liked on the NHL bench as was reported by some scribes. He slots players where they will succeed. Some will say he has a great AHL roster which may be true but he is getting a lot out of his players. Something no Oiler coach has in a while. Is it in the water down there? Is he a dictator, dinosaur or dick???? I truly believe the players play for him because they enjoy his style and listen to him. Will he get a chance here? I truly doubt it!! Because Oilers….

  186. tileguy says:

    New Improved Darkness,

    You are not wrong here.

  187. Ben says:

    Bwahstin gaht Chahlie Coyull

  188. ArmchairGM says:

    godot10: I don’t think it matters.I think “Edmonton Oilers” is now a swear word in Finnish hockey (probably in Russia too).Do you really want to test if Kakko will sign with Edmonton?Or Hughes for that matter.

    Lol. Yeah,, I’d love to have that opportunity.

  189. pts2pndr says:

    Primetime: Since we are re-visiting bringing home ex-players, why not re-visit old trades that I think were close to being done in the past.

    Minnesota is soon to be without any difference making centres.Staal can leave for free agency, Koivu is old and breaking down.Granlund is ok, but Fenton was so desperate for a centre, he traded Nino for Rask.

    An RNH for Dumba trade has long been floated, and I heard (rumour only) that it was being discussed right before the Hall-Larsen trade was chosen instead.

    Would we re-visit that trade now?Dumba is signed for longer at the same money than RNH.Does it fill a bigger need?I know he is coming off injury, but should heal fine….

    What if it expanded a bit to include Benning on our side, and a winger (hopefully with speed) from their side?

    That would be a dumba idea!😂

  190. Darth Tu says:

    OmJo:
    Devils have ~$13M in cap space.

    Hall

    for

    Lucic
    Russell
    1st 2019
    2nd 2020
    Jesse Puljujarvi
    Ethan Bear
    Joel Persson

    Not just for Hall, but to shed two Chiarelli contracts. The Devils get a haul for Hall. Heh. Two birds with one stone. Give us $4M extra to play with this summer to get some F depth. Never gonna happen. Probably an overpay but keep in mind theres Russell AND Lucic going back the other way.

    Kassian-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Hall-Nuge-Gagner (the OG Line!!!)
    Reider-Khaira-Chiasson (I’d trade him, too)
    Cave-Brodziak-Rattie
    Currie #BecauseOilers

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Benning
    Sekera-Jones

    Koskinen
    Stolarz

    What about trading Chiasson to the Islanders, they could be doing with some more cup winning experience. Eberle back to the Oil? Then flip Eberle and Gagner from line 2-3 depending on who’s playing better.

    Koskinen to the Wild for Dubnyk. Let’s get the entire band back together.

  191. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Gulutzan has been running the PP since day 1.I have no idea if Viverios’ role has increased since Hitch took over but this should not have been surprising.

    As an aside, as terrible as that 5 on 3 was last night, the Gulutzan run PP is 10th in the league.

    is 2nd quartile good if one has a generational player AND a top 50ish player in the world on it?

  192. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OmJo:
    Devils have ~$13M in cap space.

    Hall

    for

    Lucic
    Russell
    1st 2019
    2nd 2020
    Ethan Bear
    Joel Persson
    Jesse Puljujarvi

    Not just for Hall, but to shed two Chiarelli contracts. The Devils get a haul for Hall. Heh. Two birds with one stone. Give us $4M extra to play with this summer to get some F depth. Never gonna happen. Probably an overpay but keep in mind theres Russell AND Lucic going back the other way.

    Kassian-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Hall-Nuge-Gagner (the OG Line!!!)
    Reider-Khaira-Chiasson (I’d trade him, too)
    Cave-Brodziak-Rattie
    Currie #BecauseOil

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Benning
    Sekera-Jones

    Koskinen
    Stolarz

    – I just want to point out this is the most symmetrical posting in the history of Lowetide, not sure if it was by design, but it’s beautiful: very appealing to the eye how each line gets a little bigger, then some depth in the middle, and it retreats as you complete your passage (I haven’t actually read the content yet, just wanted to give props, and I made 2 small edits to enhance the symmetry: I swear to god I’m not drinking or on anything!)

  193. giddy says:

    Ben:
    Sounds like Charlie Coyle on the move. $3.2 for another year, scores like a decent third liner.

    Precisely the kind of guy I’d love to trade Russell for.

    Moved for Donato and a 5th.

    That is exactly the type of player Oilers need. Good middle six player on a reasonable $3.2m deal that is having a down year. Shoots right also.

    Looks like Minny was looking for a good prospect back is the problem–Oilers don’t have the cap space for that.

  194. OmJo says:

    Darth Tu: What about trading Chiasson to the Islanders, they could be doing with some more cup winning experience.Eberle back to the Oil?Then flip Eberle and Gagner from line 2-3 depending on who’s playing better.

    Koskinen to the Wild for Dubnyk. Let’s get the entire band back together.

    Hm…

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Yakupov
    Hall-Nuge-Eberle
    Cogliano-Gagner-Anders Nilsson
    Reider-Brodziak-Paajarvi

    Klefbom-Petry
    Marincin-Schultz
    Davidson-Oesterle

    Dubnyk
    Brossoti

  195. OmJo says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I just want to point out this is the most symmetrical posting in the history of Lowetide, not sure if it was by design, but it’s beautiful: very appealing to the eye how each line gets a little bigger, then some depth in the middle, and it retreats as you complete your passage(I haven’t actually read the content yet, just wanted to give props, and I made one change to enhance the symmetry: I swear to god I’m not drinking or on anything!)

    LMAO. Totally on accident 😉

  196. pts2pndr says:

    OmJo: Having two lines that dominate GF% means the bottom two lines don’t have to score AS much.

    With just average salaries for your D you would be looking at filling up your lineup with aprx 1.75 million dollar contracts. Last I looked that doesn’t buy much in the way of an NHL player.

  197. Darth Tu says:

    OmJo: Hm…

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Yakupov
    Hall-Nuge-Eberle
    Cogliano-Gagner-Anders Nilsson
    Reider-Brodziak-Paajarvi

    Klefbom-Petry
    Marincin-Schultz
    Nikitin-Fayne

    Dubnyk
    Brossoti

    Now we’re talking. If that isn’t a Stanley Cup winning roster, I don’t know what is.

  198. godot10 says:

    OmJo:
    Devils have ~$13M in cap space.

    Hall

    for

    Lucic
    Russell
    1st 2019
    2nd 2020
    Jesse Puljujarvi
    Ethan Bear
    Joel Persson

    Not just for Hall, but to shed two Chiarelli contracts. The Devils get a haul for Hall. Heh. Two birds with one stone. Give us $4M extra to play with this summer to get some F depth. Never gonna happen. Probably an overpay but keep in mind theres Russell AND Lucic going back the other way.

    Kassian-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Hall-Nuge-Gagner (the OG Line!!!)
    Reider-Khaira-Chiasson (I’d trade him, too)
    Cave-Brodziak-Rattie
    Currie #BecauseOilers

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Benning
    Sekera-Jones

    Koskinen
    Stolarz

    Looks like a guy with a gigantic beer belly to me! -)

  199. Ben says:

    Wilde,

    At this point, I hope to have hypnotised the reader to exhaustion, and that their brains are now fertile to any conclusion I’m willing to put forth due to the sheer enormity of labour in writing this piece overpowering any opposition.

    This needs to be on The Athletic’s masthead. 🙂

    Love to hear your thoughts on Hebig’s drop-off this year.

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