Rage in the Cage

by Lowetide

This spring won’t see the playoffs but the club gave real effort in a tough barn last night on the way to a shootout loss. Leon Draisaitl delivered a fabulous effort, matched in net by Mikko Koskinen, and the Oilers grabbed a point on the road. Oh, for another four wins in the before time. Three of four points while McDavid was out with a suspension is a helluva story and that’s a fact. Now 97 prepares to kick out the jams in Ontario with some true rage in the cage. Music!

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: After bringing in Sam Gagner and shipping out Cam Talbot, Oilers stand pat on deadline day.
  • Lowetide: Edmonton Oilers at the deadline: Buy, sell or both?
  • Jonathan Willis: Jesse Puljujarvi needs a fresh start, but there’s no reason it can’t be in Edmonton
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.
  • Lowetide: Are the 2018-19 Bakersfield Condors the best Edmonton Oilers affiliate ever?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘One of the best hockey games ever’: An oral history of the 2014 women’s Olympic gold-medal game.
  • Lowetide: How can the Oilers successfully sell the new regime to a fan base that is openly angry?
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers trade deadline primer: Focus should be on moves that make life easier for the next GM
  • Lowetide: Cam Talbot’s Oilers career a disappointment save one beautiful spring.
  • Jonathan Willis: Edmonton’s trade for Sam Gagner is a gamble well worth making.
  • Jonathan Willis: Inside the success of the Bakersfield Condors, and what it means for Edmonton
  • Lowetide: The Oilers sure have a lot of problems, but there is a simple solution.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Keith Gretzky on the Oilers trade deadline plan, Andrej Sekera’s return and Jesse Puljujarvi’s season
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ potential roster upheaval might set a record for summer activity
  • Jonathan Willis: Teams should beware of these players at the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Lowetide: It’s time for Oilers owner Daryl Katz to stand and deliver a winning organization.
  • Lowetide: Entry deal AHL forwards give the Oilers an excellent trade pool.
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL free agency period
  • Corey Pronman: 2019 NHL Draft midseason rankings
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Lowetide: Edmonton’s 2019 entry draft plans may change with new GM but needs are clear
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

OILERS AFTER 62

  • Oilers in 2015: 22-34-6, 50 points; goal differential -34
  • Oilers in 2016: 33-21-8, 74 points; goal differential +12
  • Oilers in 2017: 27-31-4, 58 points; goal differential -33
  • Oilers in 2018: 26-29-7, 59 points; goal differential -23

Edmonton is on pace to finish 34-38-10, 78 points. That is a close match for last season (36-40-6, 78 points) and should be the expectation.

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 2-10-0, four points; goal differential -22
  • Oilers in February 2017: 6-6-0, 12 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in February 2018: 4-7-1, nine points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in February 2019: 3-5-4, 10 points; goal differential -10

This has been a ridiculous month and yet it is also the second best February of Connor McDavid’s time with the team. I think it’s a reflection of a team lacking balance and depth (not much help when injuries hit), but can be convinced otherwise.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: Philadelphia, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-2)
  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Pittsburgh, Carolina, NY Islanders (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, NY Islanders, Anaheim (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 2-0-1)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Toronto, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 3-5-4, 10 points in 12 games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Sekera-Benning are doing good work, although the third pairing giving up a goal isn’t ideal. Were 11-4 in 9:25, 9-4 shots, 0-1 goals and 4-1 HDSC. Went 8-4 (0-1) in 5:54 against Jarnkrok-Turris-Sissons.
  • Nurse-Russell were 8-11 in 14:43, 3-3 shots, 0-1 goals and 0-2 HDSC. This pairing can’t move the puck effectively, Nashville forwards were waiting for Russell’s errant passes all night along the wall in the neutral zone. Went 4-3 in 5:31 against Boyle-Bonino-Grimaldi. Nurse had a dandy chance from a Leon feed.
  • Klefbom-Larsson went 10-28 in 19:49, 5-15 shots, no goals and 1-7 HDSC. That’s a drilling. Went 4-12 (3-8 shots) in 9:52 against Forsberg-Johansen-Arvidsson. Worried all night about the slash.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 36 of 38, .947. He was quality.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Gagner-Nuge-Kassian went 10-11 in 12:06, 6-7 shots, no goals and 3-2 HDSC. The timing was a little off for the trio, reflected in a pass from the slot by Gagner that missed a stationary (and open) Nuge by exactly one mile. They did skill things, just couldn’t cash.
  • Rieder-Draisaitl-Chiasson were 11-6 in 11:43, 7-5 shots no goals and 3-2 HDSC. Leon was the show, and Chiasson contributed but Rieder is having a helluva time with the hockey. Credit where due, he put himself in a reasonable scoring position several times, but honestly had little to show for it.
  • Lucic-Cave-Currie went 6-9 in 7:49, 3-5 shots, 0-1 goals and 0-2 HDSC. Lucic was a house by the side of the road on the first GA, Cave was also a day late and a dollar short.
  • Malone-Brodziak-Rattie were 4-6 in 5:40, 3-3 shots, no goals and 1-2 HDSC.

HERE COMES THE SUN

It was a curious deadline (even if you are offered a seventh-round pick for Alex Petrovic, and it’s five minutes to the deadline, then you should take it) but the message is clear: Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

Why? I’ll be writing about this (and other things) for my piece at The Athletic (out later today or tomorrow) but it’s a fascinating moment in the history of the Oilers.

The Condors won again, the streak now stands at 17 wins and counting. The team is now tied with the 2004-05 Philadelphia Phantoms for the second longest streak all-time. A great story, and surely the minor league team holds some future NHL players.

One thing we can talk about in the coming days: How many of Caleb Jones, Ethan Bear and William Lagesson will be NHL-ready next season? In keeping Matt Benning yesterday, the organization may have tipped its hand for the summer activity. We might see one of the Condors packaged with something else in an effort to upgrade No. 2 RHD, with the idea of running Larsson-???-Benning until one of Bear, Joel Persson or Evan Bouchard is ready. That’s the reasonable play here. The typical Oilers move? Put Bouchard on 2RHD opening night, trade Matt Benning for Connor Brown and let Persson and Bear fight it out for No. 3 RHD.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we’re back with a massive amount of ground to cover. TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. Oilers at the deadline, as well as some of the big moves made across the NHL.
  • Jesse Granger, The Athletic. We’ll talk about the massive addition in Vegas and what it means for Golden Knights fans.
  • Murat Ates, The Athletic. The Winnipeg Jets made many transactions yesterday, we’ll talk about most of them.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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OriginalPouzar:

I anticipate McDavid will have his legs tonight….

~ That’s only ‘cuz Kadri is out ~

v4ance

Lowetide:
Each poster adds something to the group, so if you think one of us is a spy or a narc, you’ll just need to find a workaround. I’ve always suspected Woodguy of being an over the top thespian but am too nice to mention it.

I always thought Woodguy was an “adult thespian”…. one of my college nicknames was “stuntcock” so I think I know a thing or two about Wood if there’s any concern…. actually I was a virgin and they were just making fun of me :p

Wilde

OriginalPouzar,

I like the story where we devour elite talent

Jeremy

Professor Q,

Pretty sure Kadri is out, hasn’t skated since his concussion late last week.

Tesla's Hair

Peter Chiarelli. He haunts us still.

Bag of Pucks

pts2pndr: Your comments over the last few days while showing passion for the Oilers truly scares me for your mental well being. You have yourself in a very dark place! The management of this team have made mistakes! Their collective character assasination is over the top and unwarranted! They all have had varying degrees of success in their field. You have every right to question some of their decisions or actions! This can and should be done with respect!

Thanks for your concern, but aside from the hockey team I cheer for, I have a very happy and fulfilled life. For me however, apathy is rarely a viable option and that is a crucial component it seems in giving this org the benefit of the doubt.

In regards to respect, I’m of the opinion that it’s earned not deserved. What has the OBC done to earn our respect over the last 12 years?

Tesla's Hair

stephen sheps: We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like “I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe you should drive. …” And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car, which was going about 100 miles an hour with the top down to Las Vegas. And a voice was screaming: “Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?”

Then it was quiet again. My attorney had taken his shirt off and was pouring beer on his chest, to facilitate the tanning process. “What the hell are you yelling about?” he muttered, staring up at the sun with his eyes closed and covered with wraparound Spanish sunglasses. “Never mind,” I said. “It’s your turn to drive.” I hit the brakes and aimed the Great Red Shark toward the shoulder of the highway. No point mentioning those bats, I thought. The poor bastard will see them soon enough.

It was almost noon, and we still had more than 100 miles to go. They would be tough miles. Very soon, I knew, we would both be completely twisted. But there was no going back, and no time to rest. We would have to ride it out. Press registration for the fabulous Mint 400 was already underway, and we had to get there by four to claim our soundproof suite. A fashionable sporting magazine in New York had taken care of the reservations, along with this huge red Chevy convertible we’d just rented off a lot on the Sunset Strip … and I was, after all, a professional journalist; so I had an obligation to cover the story, for good or ill.

Sorry LT – you mentioned Barstow and this is the only thing I can picture in my mind whenever that town comes up.

Haha. I thought of Springsteen driving his motorbike singing his classic “Dry Lightning” although now all i can see is Acid Bats. Keep the Hunter quotes coming Sheps! #Macrodosing

Dry Lightning by Bruce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUiYuYVahOU

OriginalPouzar

Wilde:
I think Detroit, Anaheim, LA and Ottawa are too bad to catch.

The tank battle looks like it’s between us, New Jersey, and Chicago for #5 lottery seeding.

The Oilers have the worst point % since Klefbom returned besides those four locks plus Dallas and surprisingly Winnipeg. Actually, Vancouver’s tied. The Devils have the worst 5-on-5 corgis, but the Oilers have the worst GF%. They’ve gotten a little ‘lucky’ in converting 5v5 GF% to points, but ‘unlucky’ in converting CF% to GF%

In conclusion, feed me more children of promise.

Bah – the final standings will be what they will be and the lottery balls will fall where they will.

The Oilers play tonight and there are plenty of stories to be told:

– will Drai continue his elite play with McDavid back or start defering?

– will Nuge set a career high in points

– will Sekera continue to show that he indeed is Andrej Sekera

– will the Oilers get points in 5 straight games

Professor Q

OriginalPouzar:
Lets see – McDavid hasn’t played the last few games due to suspension.He should be 100% healthy and over his sickness and well rested.The game is on national television against the Maple Leafs.

I anticipate McDavid will have his legs tonight….

Let’s just hope that Kadri doesn’t try anything, which will likely go uncalled.

Wilde

I think Detroit, Anaheim, LA and Ottawa are too bad to catch.

The tank battle looks like it’s between us, New Jersey, and Chicago for #5 lottery seeding.

The Oilers have the worst point % since Klefbom returned besides those four locks plus Dallas and surprisingly Winnipeg. Actually, Vancouver’s tied. The Devils have the worst 5-on-5 corgis, but the Oilers have the worst GF%. They’ve gotten a little ‘lucky’ in converting 5v5 GF% to points, but ‘unlucky’ in converting CF% to GF%

In conclusion, feed me more children of promise.

OriginalPouzar

Lets see – McDavid hasn’t played the last few games due to suspension. He should be 100% healthy and over his sickness and well rested. The game is on national television against the Maple Leafs.

I anticipate McDavid will have his legs tonight….

OriginalPouzar

Maoriduvpoojt: Samorukov did not return.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5001397/guelph-outguns-london-knights-budweiser-gardens/?utm_source=Article&utm_medium=Outbrain&utm_campaign=2015

Thanks – no surprise given he hit his head on the ice. Hopefully he is OK.

Wilde

I think I might have Turcotte in the Cozens/Dach cluster.

pts2pndr

Bag of Pucks: Burgers said the same thing about Chiarelli. Are you forgetting?

I don’t deny any of Burgers comments. I am sure he sincerely believes everything he says. But unless there is verbal confirming this organization plans to clean house, his fulsome search is meaningless. We’ve been down this road many many times and replacing the GM alone from Lowe to Tambellini to MacTavish to Chiarelli has been shown to accomplish exactly nothing.

You place far too much stock in rhetoric when what truly matters are actions. And I care less if you find me disrespectful. I feel the same way about your oft delusional appraisal of this situation. It’s disrespectful to a community that has been paying close attention to this shell game for years.

Your comments over the last few days while showing passion for the Oilers truly scares me for your mental well being. You have yourself in a very dark place! The management of this team have made mistakes! Their collective character assasination is over the top and unwarranted! They all have had varying degrees of success in their field. You have every right to question some of their decisions or actions! This can and should be done with respect!

JimmyV1965

Dr. Taboggan:
JimmyV1965,

Last time I went to Bonnaroo there were plenty of people doing LSD two days in a row…

The thing is with LSD you build up a tolerance to it almost instantly. If you take 1 hit on day 1, you have to take 3 hits on day 2 and a ridiculous amount on day 3. And the high isn’t nearly as enjoyable.

€√¥£€^$

OriginalPouzar:
Samorukov got annialated in the third period – don’t believe he returned (at least he drew a 5 min PP for his team):

https://twitter.com/TheOilKnight/status/1100581178703151104

Here is Samorukov’s CLEAN hit from earlier in the year:

https://twitter.com/mtl_prospects/status/1095864226667786240

Samorukov did not return.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5001397/guelph-outguns-london-knights-budweiser-gardens/?utm_source=Article&utm_medium=Outbrain&utm_campaign=2015

pts2pndr

JimmyV1965: No one is thrilled with the Oilers right now, but the sky is not falling. We have two of the most difficult pieces to acquire in McDavid and Drai. You can’t trade for guys like this and you can draft first overall a dozen times and not get players like this. Building around these guys might be a monumental task for the current braintrust, but a good GM can rectify this is two years.

I really take issue with the notion that we have a below average prospect pool. I don’t give a crap about any list some so-called expert comes up with, but your AHL team doesn’t win 17 games in a row with bad players. And they’re doing it with young, legit prospects, not a bunch of career minor leaguers.

The Oil could very well suck until infinity because of our poor mngt, but this team can be fixed in a very short timeframe. Full stop.

Plus 1. Great post!

pts2pndr

Woodguy v2.0:
Woogie63,


4) No real need to trade for a 2RHD

Sekera is capable of playing with Nurse

I will fight you.

Thanks Woodguy! It is this thinking that has got us where we are! It is why Russel was signed when the correct move was to acquire a true top four right side D. Was wrong then and is still wrong way thinking!

Sierra

If only there was this much piss’n’vinegar at the season ticket holders meetings.

Glovjuice

Halfwise:
I have read Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas more times than any other book. But the last time might have been 30 years ago.

“Shoot the nipples off a ten foot bull dyke and win a cotton candy goat” still strikes me as a perfect metaphor for an awful lot of life. Aim at something bizarre, hit it, and win something insignificant.

Oddly enough there were some examples of this in the thread today.

Sexy Webster is a Sack Blabbath.

Pescador

Dr. Taboggan:
JimmyV1965,

Last time I went to Bonnaroo there were plenty of people doing LSD two days in a row…

Kinda the same as taking several hits at once, knowing full well you’re going to be high for at least 2 days

Halfwise

I have read Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas more times than any other book. But the last time might have been 30 years ago.

“Shoot the nipples off a ten foot bull dyke and win a cotton candy goat” still strikes me as a perfect metaphor for an awful lot of life. Aim at something bizarre, hit it, and win something insignificant.

Oddly enough there were some examples of this in the thread today.

Pescador

JimmyV1965: I read Fear and Loathing up to the part where he took LSD two days in a row. Anyone who actually tried LSD never took it two days in a row. It was really early into the book.

I can see how someone could take LSD 2 days in a row by accident. Haha
I always interpreted his drug trips as him taking anything & everything all at once essentially chasing the dragon.
But not in the same way addicts do,
More like fiends

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

JimmyV1965,

Last time I went to Bonnaroo there were plenty of people doing LSD two days in a row…

JimmyV1965

stephen sheps:
Ice Sage,

Drug and counterculture associations aside, few writers had a better command of the English language than the great HST. He’s a massive influence on me both as a writer and a researcher. Hells Angels was one of the earliest examples of ethnography. I have occasionally used it as a teaching tool for research methods, believe it or not.

I read Fear and Loathing up to the part where he took LSD two days in a row. Anyone who actually tried LSD never took it two days in a row. It was really early into the book.

Glovjuice

Dipsy Doodle Dandy:
If there’s one thing I want you to learn from reading this, it’s that complaining has zero value. Looking at the negative, seeing the glass as half empty, and complaining are some of the biggest wastes of time a human being can engage in. Instead, tackle the problem head on. Assess it, see what you can do about it, and then do just that. “Woe is me” is truly one of the biggest things that can stand in the way of success both professionally and personally.

LOL – this is silly.

Glovjuice

Andy Dufresne: Agreed opportunity missed yesterday. Maybe not a huge deal, but enough to prevent KG from becomig the GM. Unless of course, what he said turns out to be correct and by standing pat we somehow turn this thing around and make the playoffs.

No big deal, but I find the language KG uses to be mildy annoying…..”there were no deals to be had….I wasnt going to give players away….the offers just werent good”as if he doesnt appreciate that ITS HIS JOB to CREATE the opportunites….to get creative…to create demand for your assets…to push the envelope…..to out negotiate the other guy.The lanuage is very static, very bereft of action words.“we had alot of good conversations”……….Well put down that fucking donut, stop talking and get back to work.

Its a small thing perhaps….just a few cuts….on the road to 1000

To be fair….it may have been and probably was his goal personally (what he perceived to be in his best interest) and the goal of the organization to be able to say “we didnt want to send the message that we were throwing in the towel” AND that they want to be ble to say, “alot of good conversation occured that set up some potentially good things for the summer.”

Andy Dufresne: Agreed opportunity missed yesterday. Maybe not a huge deal, but enough to prevent KG from becomig the GM. Unless of course, what he said turns out to be correct and by standing pat we somehow turn this thing around and make the playoffs.

No big deal, but I find the language KG uses to be mildy annoying…..”there were no deals to be had….I wasnt going to give players away….the offers just werent good”as if he doesnt appreciate that ITS HIS JOB to CREATE the opportunites….to get creative…to create demand for your assets…to push the envelope…..to out negotiate the other guy.The lanuage is very static, very bereft of action words.“we had alot of good conversations”……….Well put down that fucking donut, stop talking and get back to work.

Its a small thing perhaps….just a few cuts….on the road to 1000

To be fair….it may have been and probably was his goal personally (what he perceived to be in his best interest) and the goal of the organization to be able to say “we didnt want to send the message that we were throwing in the towel” AND that they want to be ble to say, “alot of good conversation occured that set up some potentially good things for the summer.”

Fantastic post AD. KG just sounds (and acted) average in intellect to me. I could have said what he did for fak sakes. Oh, and KTOWN. Great posts – brilliant.

stephen sheps

Ice Sage,

Drug and counterculture associations aside, few writers had a better command of the English language than the great HST. He’s a massive influence on me both as a writer and a researcher. Hells Angels was one of the earliest examples of ethnography. I have occasionally used it as a teaching tool for research methods, believe it or not.

Ice Sage

Fear and Loathing on Kingsway?

Here’s an a propos Hunter S Thompson quote,

“As far as I’m concerned, it’s a damned shame that a field (team) as potentially dynamic and vital as journalism (the Oilers) should be overrun with dullards, bums, and hacks, hag-ridden with myopia, apathy, and complacence, and generally stuck in a bog of stagnant mediocrity”

stephen sheps

Lowetide: I think we’re 15 miles out of Barstow and running on empty.

We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like “I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe you should drive. …” And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car, which was going about 100 miles an hour with the top down to Las Vegas. And a voice was screaming: “Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?”

Then it was quiet again. My attorney had taken his shirt off and was pouring beer on his chest, to facilitate the tanning process. “What the hell are you yelling about?” he muttered, staring up at the sun with his eyes closed and covered with wraparound Spanish sunglasses. “Never mind,” I said. “It’s your turn to drive.” I hit the brakes and aimed the Great Red Shark toward the shoulder of the highway. No point mentioning those bats, I thought. The poor bastard will see them soon enough.

It was almost noon, and we still had more than 100 miles to go. They would be tough miles. Very soon, I knew, we would both be completely twisted. But there was no going back, and no time to rest. We would have to ride it out. Press registration for the fabulous Mint 400 was already underway, and we had to get there by four to claim our soundproof suite. A fashionable sporting magazine in New York had taken care of the reservations, along with this huge red Chevy convertible we’d just rented off a lot on the Sunset Strip … and I was, after all, a professional journalist; so I had an obligation to cover the story, for good or ill.

Sorry LT – you mentioned Barstow and this is the only thing I can picture in my mind whenever that town comes up.

Bag of Pucks

Lowetide: Well you’re the one who put two and two together and came up with “Lowetide must be talking about me” so there’s that.

I put two and two together because I respect the math heritage of this site. 🙂

Bag of Pucks

deardylan:
Bag of Pucks,

Who needs matlock vs. macgyver when you got Bags of OPucks?

Fully appreciate it probably comes across as over the top, but I’m strongly of the opinion that the Oilers brass don’t need to have their asses kissed anymore. What they need is the realization that 13 years of this is far more than enough for this long suffering fanbase. They need to get it right this time and right is not more of this OBC optics and spin BS. It’s actual sweeping and impactful actions to clean house and install competent leadership and process from top to bottom.

anjinsan

Why isn’t there more anger and instead so much piecing together of Lincoln logs?

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

JimmyV1965: So it is possible then that we trade Lucic in a three-way deal with us retaining $2 mill, team B retaining $2 mill and the final team paying the final $2 mill. Just as long as they are separate and distinct transactions.

Most definitely is. Or some iteration of that depending on how much the Oilers care to pay in assets for the intermediary team and how much dead cap space they’re prepared to have.

OriginalPouzar

Yes

JimmyV1965

OriginalPouzar: 100% positive.

The Penguins retained $250K in a previous transaction.

The Kings were on the hook for a cap hit of $3,750,000 and retained half (50%) of the remaining so each of the Kings and Caps are on the hook for $1,875,000.

So it is possible then that we trade Lucic in a three-way deal with us retaining $2 mill, team B retaining $2 mill and the final team paying the final $2 mill. Just as long as they are separate and distinct transactions.

Tesla's Hair

Bag of Pucks,

Who needs matlock vs. macgyver when you got Bags of OPucks?

OriginalPouzar

Samorukov got annialated in the third period – don’t believe he returned (at least he drew a 5 min PP for his team):

https://twitter.com/TheOilKnight/status/1100581178703151104

Here is Samorukov’s CLEAN hit from earlier in the year:

https://twitter.com/mtl_prospects/status/1095864226667786240

Tesla's Hair

Yeti,

LOL. I flushed those down in the toilet years ago after watching trainspotting. #rainbowsoftcontacts

OilersFuture

OriginalPouzar,

Exactly! That was my point in the previous note. I believe Lucic’s will have value to some team at approximately 2.5 –> 3 million dollars.

The Oiler’s retain 25%. The cap hit for the Senators is 4.5 but real dollars is 12 million.
The Oilers take back Condon’s contract (3 million real money and 2.4 cap hit that is buried in the minors and is only counting as 1,325,000 against the cap.
If the Sens take on 45% that’s just over 2 million cap for four years. But it would only cost Melynk 5.4 million. Or only 2.4 million above and beyond the Condon contract.

The Suter/Parise contracts are too much money. They are owed 27 million and 17 over the next two seasons. The Seabrook deal is 24 million. The cap hit for the Senators is more important than the player/assets.

Melnyk doesn’t have much money right now. So he needs players that aren’t owed much reall money. Players that could work for; Louie Eriksson (6 million cap hit – only owed 9 million over 3 years after July 1st), Backes (6 million cap hit – real money 8 million over two years) & Jeff Carter (5.273 cap hit owed 7 million over 3 years).

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

OriginalPouzar: The Oilers can retain 50% of the Lucic contract in a trade to, say Ottawa, so that each team is on the hook for 50% of his compensation and cap hit.

Ottawa can retain 50% of the $3M its on the hook for in a trade to, say, Carolina, so that each of Ottawa is on the hook for $1.5M

Lucic – $6M

EDM: $3M
OTT: $1.5M
CAR $1.5M

In Hagelin’s case, PIT retained $250K and then, in a subsequent trade, LAK retained 50% of the $3,750,000

Hagelin – $4M

PIT: $250K
LAK: $1,875,000
WSH: $1,875,000

And then maybe that team decides to buy him out and lessen the cap burden even more ?

Wilde

uncle

OriginalPouzar

OilersFuture: This is how i have understood it as well.Based on the Hagelin trade.I think each team can retain 50%.It doesn’t read clearly.

From Cap Friendly
When a team trades a player, they have the option to retain a part of their salary (and cap hit). The team who retains the salary then pays the retained percentage of the salary, and also retains the percentage of the cap hit until the contract expires. The following requirements must be met to retain salary:
1. The percentage retained cannot exceed 50 percent of the player’s salary (including all bonuses) and Salary Cap Hit.
2. The same percentage must be retained for both the player’s salary and Salary Cap Hit, and cannot be modified.
3. All teams are limited to a maximum of 3 retained salary contracts per season.
4. Teams cannot retain an aggregate amount of more than 15 percent of the Salary Cap Upper Limit.
5. Players’ contracts are limited to 2 retained salary transactions per contract.

By my understanding.The Oiler’s could retain up to 50% and then the Senators could turn around and retain up to 50%.I could be wrong.

The Oilers can retain 50% of the Lucic contract in a trade to, say Ottawa, so that each team is on the hook for 50% of his compensation and cap hit.

Ottawa can retain 50% of the $3M its on the hook for in a trade to, say, Carolina, so that each of Ottawa is on the hook for $1.5M

Lucic – $6M

EDM: $3M
OTT: $1.5M
CAR $1.5M

In Hagelin’s case, PIT retained $250K and then, in a subsequent trade, LAK retained 50% of the $3,750,000

Hagelin – $4M

PIT: $250K
LAK: $1,875,000
WSH: $1,875,000

ArmchairGM

Pescador: I was deeply offended on your behalf,
this is the world we live in.

Ha! If it makes you feel better, “red wine” is the least popular metaphor on this blog.

JimmyV1965

I don’t get the hate for Nicholson. He hired a GM from outside the organization and was widely applauded for it. It turned out to be a disasterous decision. But he admitted to not conducting a full blown GM search and took ownership of the mistake. He’s now said he intends to conduct a proper GM search and will not repeat that same mistake.

Professor Q

Lowetide:
Each poster adds something to the group, so if you think one of us is a spy or a narc, you’ll just need to find a workaround. I’ve always suspected Woodguy of being an over the top thespian but am too nice to mention it.

Is that because when it comes to handedness, he doesn’t always playwright?

Klima's_Bucket

Whose hit was worse?

McDavid on Leddy
Simmonds on Dumoulin
Perry on Nurse
or tonights
Chara on Kane