Game 63 2018-19: Oilers at Maple Leafs

Connor McDavid is No. 3 in NHL scoring, a full 16 points behind the leader. He is eight points behind the leader in even-strength points. If 97 remains healthy for the final 20 games, how close will he get to Nikita Kucherov and Patrick Kane, respectively? This is going to be an interesting final stanza to the 2018-19 season.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: The Oilers’ deadline decisions inform what may come in spring and summer
  • New James Mirtle: Five lessons the Oilers can learn from the Maple Leafs’ successful rebuild
  • New Jonathan Willis: From Mikko Koskinen to Bakersfield, the next two months will reveal a lot about the Oilers
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: After bringing in Sam Gagner and shipping out Cam Talbot, Oilers stand pat on deadline day.
  • Lowetide: Edmonton Oilers at the deadline: Buy, sell or both?
  • Jonathan Willis: Jesse Puljujarvi needs a fresh start, but there’s no reason it can’t be in Edmonton
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.
  • Lowetide: Are the 2018-19 Bakersfield Condors the best Edmonton Oilers affiliate ever?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘One of the best hockey games ever’: An oral history of the 2014 women’s Olympic gold-medal game.
  • Lowetide: How can the Oilers successfully sell the new regime to a fan base that is openly angry?
  • Jonathan Willis: Edmonton’s trade for Sam Gagner is a gamble well worth making.
  • Jonathan Willis: Inside the success of the Bakersfield Condors, and what it means for Edmonton
  • Lowetide: The Oilers sure have a lot of problems, but there is a simple solution.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Keith Gretzky on the Oilers trade deadline plan, Andrej Sekera’s return and Jesse Puljujarvi’s season
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ potential roster upheaval might set a record for summer activity
  • Lowetide: It’s time for Oilers owner Daryl Katz to stand and deliver a winning organization.
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL free agency period
  • Corey Pronman: 2019 NHL Draft midseason rankings
  • Lowetide: Edmonton’s 2019 entry draft plans may change with new GM but needs are clear
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

OILERS AFTER 63

  • Oilers in 2015: 22-34-7, 51 points; goal differential -35
  • Oilers in 2016: 33-22-8, 74 points; goal differential +11
  • Oilers in 2017: 27-32-4, 58 points; goal differential -35
  • Oilers in 2018: 26-29-7, 59 points; goal differential -23

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 2-10-1, five points; goal differential -23
  • Oilers in February 2017: 6-6-0, 12 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in February 2018: 5-7-1, 11 points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in February 2019: 3-5-4, 10 points; goal differential -10

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: Philadelphia, Montreal (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-2)
  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Pittsburgh, Carolina, NY Islanders (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, NY Islanders, Anaheim (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 2-0-1)
  • On the road to: Nashville, Toronto, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 3-5-4, 10 points in 12 games

TOTAL RECALLS

We’re going to see some recalls between now and the end of the season, I thought it might be a good idea to make note of how much the Bakersfield Condors have helped so far this year. Let’s begin with the opening night lineup.

  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Connor McDavid—Ty Rattie
  • Milan Lucic—Leon Draisaitl—Kailer Yamamoto
  • Jujhar Khaira—Ryan Strome—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Tobias Rieder—Kyle Brodziak—Zack Kassian
  • Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson
  • Darnell Nurse—Matt Benning
  • Kris Russell—Evan Bouchard
  • Cam Talbot (Mikko Koskinen)
  • Scratches: Jason Garrison, Drake Caggiula, Alex Chiasson

RECALLS AND RESULTS 2018-19

  1. LD Caleb Jones 17, 1-5-6
  2. LD Kevin Gravel 35, 0-3-3
  3. RC Josh Currie 4, 1-0-1
  4. LC Brad Malone 10, 0-0-0
  5. RC Cooper Marody 6, 0-0-0
  6. R Patrick Russell 6, 0-0-0
  7. L Joe Gambardella 4, 0-0-0

Incredibly, few wingers have been recalled and perhaps that’s what we’ll see in the coming days. Yamamoto, Ethan Bear and William Lagesson are candidates, as are Tyler Benson, Gambardella, Marody and Russell.

2017-18 OILERS

  • Patrick Maroon—Connor McDavid—Leon Draisaitl 
  • Milan Lucic—RNH—Kailer Yamamoto
  • Jussi Jokinen—Ryan Strome—Drake Caggiula 
  • Jujhar Khaira—Mark Letestu—Zack Kassian
  • Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson
  • Darnell Nurse—Eric Gryba
  • Kris Russell—Matt Benning 
  • Cam Talbot—Laurent Brossoit
  • Yohann Auvitu, Iiro Pakarinen

RECALLS AND RESULTS 2017-18

  1. R Jesse Puljujarvi 65, 12-8-20
  2. L Anton Slepyshev 50, 6-6-12
  3. R Ty Rattie 14, 5-4-9
  4. RD Ethan Bear 18, 1-3-4
  5. LC Brad Malone 7, 0-0-0
  6. LD Keegan Lowe 2, 0-0-0

OILERS ROOKIE FORWARDS SINCE 2015

One of the things we’ll have to unwrap from the Chiarelli era is the large number of misfires among prospect wingers. Here are the rookie seasons by forwards since Connor McDavid arrived in 2015:

  1. Connor McDavid 2015-16: 45, 16-32-48
  2. Drake Caggiula 2016-17: 60, 7-11-18
  3. Iiro Pakarinen 2015-16: 63, 5-8-13
  4. Anton Slepyshev 2016-17: 41, 4-6-10
  5. Jesse Puljujarvi 2016-17: 28, 1-7-8
  6. Pontus Aberg 2017-18: 16, 2-6-8
  7. Kailer Yamamoto 2018-19: 17, 1-1-2
  8. Jujhar Khaira 2015-16: 15, 0-2-2
  9. Colby Cave 2018-19: 13, 0-1-1
  10. Josh Currie 2018-19: 4, 1-0-1
  11. Cooper Marody 2018-19: 6, 0-0-0
  12. Patrick Russell 2018-19: 6, 0-0-0
  13. Valentin Zykov 2018-19: 5, 0-0-0
  14. Joe Gambardella 2018-19: 4, 0-0-0
  15. Nathan Walker 2017-18: 2, 0-0-0

Some of those names are first-round selections and no one aside from McDavid has emerged bonafide. That’s a lot of failure and a key reason (imo) Peter Chiarelli is on the outside looking in. His “1994’s” did not survive.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we tee up a major event (games in Toronto often become famous, you may recall the first Gretzky game, or the Dubnyk ‘swarm’ game) and an important game for the Oilers playoff chances. TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. We’ll chat with Bruce about the history of Oilers-Leafs and what we might see tonight.
  • Jon Campbell, OddsShark.com. We’ll talk post-deadline NHL and what betting lines have changed in the last week.
  • Mike Zeisberger, NHL.com. The Maple Leafs are a power in the east, we’ll chat about the deadline and what expectations are and should be in Toronto.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. nelson88 says:

    Samorukov with 1+1 through 2 periods.

  2. Lowetide says:

    After two: 5-1 Toronto (4-0 Leafs in the second)
    20-16 shots Edmonton (10-7 Leafs in the second)
    33-30 Corsi 5-on-5 Toronto (19-12 Leafs in the second)

    A wonderful first followed by a dreadful second. Oh, those Oilers.

  3. Todd Macallan says:

    nelson88:
    Samorukov with 1+1 through 2 periods.

    I cannot believe he is playing tonight after taking that vicious hit last night, what a tough kid, glad he is okay.

  4. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    jp: What a tough job though, to continue to give a shit at this point in the season and in a game like this.

    I’m not sure what exactly staying engaged to the bitter end measures…

    Maybe they could try and give a shit for all 82 games one year and see what happens.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: It’s really interesting though. LT’s post shows the 17-18 and 18-19 opening night lineups had Russell at 3LD.

    McLellan seemingly WANTED to play him third pairing, but it didn’t take long for Russell to prove himself among the 4 best options.

    It’s on the GM to give the coach(es) a better option. Maybe it’s Sekera but we’ll see.

    Russell has absolutely proven to be the best option at 2RD the last couple of years – that’s a problem and, yes, its on the GM.

    Yes, as we’ve discussed, they should at least take a look at Sekera but its far from optimal and the optimal situation is for a clean disposition of Russell and his full $4M and the acquisition of a stop gap legit 2RD (2 years) which would also allow Sekera to be a wonderful partner/mentor for the graduation prospect(s) that are likely to see lots of time on the third pairing next year.

    Of course, finding that stop gap 2RD is much easier said than done and, given where they are in the season, I see no reason not to give Reggie some minutes there – unless they are worried about his conditioning, etc.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: What a tough job though, to continue to give a shit at this point in the season and in a game like this.

    I’m not sure what exactly staying engaged to the bitter end measures…

    Given their compensation, I would hope they find a way.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    nelson88:
    Samorukov with 1+1 through 2 periods.

    You are an hour behind……

    First and foremost I’m glad he’s able to play after the hellacious hit he took last game.

  8. ArmchairGM says:

    nelson88:
    Samorukov with 1+1 through 2 periods.

    Our prospects are the bright spot, and it gives me hope.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    Not surprisingly, its take only 25 seconds to connect on the 5 on 3.

    Not much of a chance for Stolarz on that one – what a rocket from the slot by Tavares

  10. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Not surprisingly, its take only 25 seconds to connect on the 5 on 3.

    Not much of a chance for Stolarz on that one – what a rocket from the slot by Tavares

    Have the oilers even scored on a 5 on 3 this season?

  11. jp says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Maybe they could try and give a shit for all 82 games one year and see what happens.

    You’re right, they need more character.

  12. godot10 says:

    jp: It’s really interesting though. LT’s post shows the 17-18 and 18-19 opening night lineups had Russell at 3LD.

    McLellan seemingly WANTED to play him third pairing, but it didn’t take long for Russell to prove himself among the 4 best options.

    It’s on the GM to give the coach(es) a better option. Maybe it’s Sekera but we’ll see.

    Russell Benning was the 2nd pairing to start 2017-18.

  13. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Russell has absolutely proven to be the best option at 2RD the last couple of years – that’s a problem and, yes, its on the GM.

    Yes, as we’ve discussed, they should at least take a look at Sekera but its far from optimal and the optimal situation is for a clean disposition of Russell and his full $4M and the acquisition of a stop gap legit 2RD (2 years) which would also allow Sekera to be a wonderful partner/mentor for the graduation prospect(s) that are likely to see lots of time on the third pairing next year.

    Of course, finding that stop gap 2RD is much easier said than done and, given where they are in the season, I see no reason not to give Reggie some minutes there – unless they are worried about his conditioning, etc.

    Agreed. I wonder how much Stralman would cost on a 2 year deal. Does he get a raise or something similar to his current AAV? Is he even a good target or are his skills declining too fast?

  14. Ryan says:

    We want 10!

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nice to see Malone back – it didn’t look good for a while there.

    He will be a nice add for Bakersfield at some point.

  16. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    jp: You’re right, they need more character.

    How about they start with attention to detail for 60 minutes?

  17. Professor Q says:

    Well, this certainly wasn’t the score I wanted to see after work.

  18. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Have the oilers even scored on a 5 on 3 this season?

    Have the Oilers even had a 5 on 3 this season?

  19. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Nice to see Malone back – it didn’t look good for a while there.

    He will be a nice add for Bakersfield at some point.

    How do you still watch?

    This game is in double garbage time.

    Aka The Oilers are playing out the string and down 6-1.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nurse/Russell are getting caved tonight.

    Klef has been poor on the battle tonight.

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Overall, this has been one of the least effective games I’ve seen McDavid play

  22. jzed says:

    Leafs pounding the ‘still in it ‘ Oilers. Puljujarvi not going to the farm. Oh well, Cohen testimony, anything else on Tv should suffice. Watching short side goals, pucks batted around aimlessly and decent players , playing out the end of their careers is old. See you at the draft.

  23. Todd Macallan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Nurse/Russell are getting caved tonight.

    Klef has been poor on the battle tonight.

    I wonder if his fingers are affecting his battle after taking those slashes the other night

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Have the oilers even scored on a 5 on 3 this season?

    I’m fairly confident the answer is not but I’m also fairly confident they’ve only had 2-3 opportunities for a total of a few minutes.

    I can’t find 5 on 3 time but they have 285 minutes of 5 on 4 and 295 minutes of overall PP time so there is 9 minutes and I would gather most of that is 4 on 3.

    They have 3 PP goals that aren’t 5 on 5 (in those 9 minutes).

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov with an assist on the OT winner:

    1G, 2A, 4 shots on net!

  26. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m fairly confident the answer is not but I’m also fairly confident they’ve only had 2-3 opportunities for a total of a few minutes.

    I can’t find 5 on 3 time but they have 285 minutes of 5 on 4 and 295 minutes of overall PP time so there is 9 minutes and I would gather most of that is 4 on 3.

    They have 3 PP goals that aren’t 5 on 5 (in those 9 minutes).

    I was being rhetorical but I do thank you for supplying that info

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    That hit by Malone wasn’t “that” bad but it was 100% unnecessary and a dirty play.

  28. jp says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: How about they start with attention to detail for 60 minutes?

    That would be great. I agree.

    A little more character and/or attention to detail actually would have gone a long way considering how close they were to a playoff spot for an extended period.

    The Oilers roster is not good enough though. And shitty rosters have a way of making teams look disinterested.

  29. OmJo says:

    Russell is rubbing off on Nurse!!!

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Agreed. I wonder how much Stralman would cost on a 2 year deal. Does he get a raise or something similar to his current AAV? Is he even a good target or are his skills declining too fast?

    Stralman was right at the top of my list when I saw he was a UFA – likely a good candidate to sign a short term contract.

    I took a look at his year numbers on a high level last week and then did not look good and I was disapointed.

    Haven’t really seen him play though.

    I just took another quick look at his numbers and they are actually much better than I remember and he’s got the second most TOI/G at 5 on 5.

    I’ll need to do some more research on him.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: How do you still watch?

    This game is in double garbage time.

    Aka The Oilers are playing out the string and down 6-1.

    Why wouldn’t I watch the Oilers play hockey? I’m a fan of the Oilers!

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    Todd Macallan: I wonder if his fingers are affecting his battle after taking those slashes the other night

    That’s exactly what I was thinking because he’s looked very good defensively recently, at least to my eye.

  33. Bag of Pucks says:

    I wonder if the OBC is enjoying comparing the progress of their rebuild to the Center of the Universe?

    By me eye, Toronto is only about 9 or 10 roster players better.

    That’s the beauty of 4 or 5 consecutive rebuilds. The lines of accountability for who’s truly responsible start to get really really blurry after awhile.

    #FireThemAll

  34. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    That hit by Malone wasn’t “that” bad but it was 100% unnecessary and a dirty play.

    Not dirty. But the result was unfortunate.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo:
    Russell is rubbing off on Nurse!!!

    This has been happening for a while now I think…

  36. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Overall, this has been one of the least effective games I’ve seen McDavid play

    I’ve had similar thoughts quite a bit this season. And his near even goal differential supports that to an extent.

    Interesting though, he’s still on pace for a career high 117 points (before tonight). I guess scoring is up in the league, but Kucherov and Kane are having amazing seasons, at least by recent standards.

    Seems like we’re getting used to and starting to take McDavid for granted a little as well.

  37. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    jp: That would be great. I agree.

    A little more character and/or attention to detail actually would have gone a long way considering how close they were to a playoff spot for an extended period.

    The Oilers roster is not good enough though. And shitty rosters have a way of making teams look disinterested.

    Man I’m just frustrated. I know the team isn’t good enough but are they 6-1 bad?

    Their confidence is is on a knife edge I think… At least that’s the only way I can rationalize the difference between the first and second period.

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    Come on, no reason for a whistle, give Nuge the goal….

    Puck was in prior to the whistle (but I think its “intent to blow”).

    May be goalie interference on Kass though – probably should be – that will be no goal if they review.

  39. OmJo says:

    Kassian did nothing to prevent the goalie from making the save.

  40. ArmchairGM says:

    Yay, Nuge finally cracks 50!

  41. OmJo says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Yay, Nuge finally cracks 50!

    With an asterisk for the asterisk

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    Surprised that goal counted – atta boy Nuge – career high in points!!!!!!

  43. jake70 says:

    Lol at Kassian….raising his arms….haha.

  44. OmJo says:

    Maybe they can score 4 goals in 3 minutes

  45. OmJo says:

    jake70:
    Lol at Kassian….raising his arms….haha.

    And looking the Leafs dead in the eye

  46. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Lol looch pounds one 20 feet wide

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: I’ve had similar thoughts quite a bit this season. And his near even goal differential supports that to an extent.

    Interesting though, he’s still on pace for a career high 117 points (before tonight). I guess scoring is up in the league, but Kucherov and Kane are having amazing seasons, at least by recent standards.

    Seems like we’re getting used to and starting to take McDavid for granted a little as well.

    I think we do take him for granted a bit with the expectations we put on him nightly.

    There are games where he’s just “very good”, among the best players on the night, and those are disappointing nights.

    With that said, he hasn’t even been “very good” tonight or even “good” – he’s actually been somewhat poor, to my eye – I’m not sure I’ve ever said that before.

    To be clear, I’m not blaming McDavid for anything – just pointing out what I’m seeing.

  48. jp says:

    godot10: Russell Benning was the 2nd pairing to start 2017-18.

    I was going based off LT’s lineup above.

    Turns out Russell was actyakkt 6th in TOI among D on opening night though (with less special teams minutes). I also vaguely remember being kinda surprised and skeptical about Gryba being too high in the lineup, so I think the Nurse-Gryba 2nd pair was a real thing, if brief.

  49. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Yes 97 had a bad game. It’s not indicative of anything he’s still amazing and will get more amazing he’s just a kid still.

  50. Zelepukin says:

    all that matters is Drai scored.

  51. Caller Zen says:

    jake70:
    Lol at Kassian….raising his arms….haha.

    You caught that too? hahah, thanks for LOLz Kassian on this disappointing night

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    Well, that was not so good after the first period.

    Oh well, on to the game tomorrow. I’m hoping Koskinen gets the start because, as I mentioned earlier, the biggest thing for me next game is to see if he can bounce back from a bad game and get back on track (as opposed to having it parlay in to a cold streak).

  53. jp says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Man I’m just frustrated. I know the team isn’t good enough but are they 6-1 bad?

    Their confidence is is on a knife edge I think… At least that’s the only way I can rationalize the difference between the first and second period.

    Yup, frustrated here too. Cheers.

    Better days ahead though, lol.

  54. jake70 says:

    Caller Zen: You caught that too? hahah, thanks for LOLz Kassian on this disappointing night

    Yeah…it was great….kept them in the air for well after goal went in.

  55. digger50 says:

    Ouch

    Sigh

    It is still getting worse as the enormity of thier situation sinks in.

    Now, who signed Koskinen? We hear but we don’t hear. Signing by committee? What does that mean? As things were going down the drain, where were the stop gaps to prevent further stupidity?

  56. OmJo says:

    I think it’s obvious that McDavid is part of the problem.

    Use him to get rid of Lucic this summer.

  57. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Here is the thing, and I mentioned this the other day, so far all we’ve seen from Koskinen are streaks – hot streaks and cold streaks.

    What we really need from Koskinen is to find some general consistency.We can’t have hit awesome from 10 games and then awful for 15 and the hot for 5 and back to awful.

    We need generally consistent tending, solid tending that gives the team a chance to win on almost every night – of course, there is going to be the odd stinker and the odd “steal” but he needs to show consistency.

    He came off his 2 month cold streak with a real nice stretch of games until tonight – a stinker. I am VERY intrigued to see how we bounces back.Its important that he has a solid performance in his next game and this bad game doesn’t parlay in to a cold stretch.

    This is huge and I hope he starts tomorrow.

    At some point it’s not the goalies when we have one defenseman that can actually defend. Yes he could have saved that bad angle shot, but that was after he gave up two ridiculously skilled goals.
    I expected our team to suck under Hitch
    I never expected this level of defensive incompetence though.

    Koskinen is going to get fed for a while now like Talbot did. He better get ready to play 70 games next season behind this defense without anyone coming to take the load off for 5 games when he struggles

  58. Todd Macallan says:

    On the brighter side, Brock Otten had this to say on Twitter tonight:

    “Dmitri Samorukov has 31 points in his last 29 games. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he might be the best OHL defender of the second half so far. Remarkable how he’s turned his season around after a slow start.”

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wow, HIGH PRAISE from Brock Otten.

    Samorukof also has 2G/10P and is plus 14 in the last 5 games – what a d-man:

    OHL Prospects

    @BrockOtten
    30m30 minutes ago
    More
    Dmitri Samorukov has 31 points in his last 29 games. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he might be the best OHL defender of the second half so far. Remarkable how he’s turned his season around after a slow start.

    EDIT: Ooops, sorry, didn’t see the previous post.

  60. flyfish1168 says:

    Just got home. heard the score. Not sure if I should watch it. The score looked painful

  61. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    flyfish1168:
    Just got home. heard the score. Not sure if I should watch it. The score looked painful

    Watch 18:00 minutes of the first.

  62. texmex says:

    I hate to wish time away, but the season cannot end soon enough.

  63. Professor Q says:

    Todd Macallan:
    On the brighter side, Brock Otten had this to say on Twitter tonight:

    “Dmitri Samorukov has 31 points in his last 29 games. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he might be the best OHL defender of the second half so far. Remarkable how he’s turned his season around after a slow start.”

    Well, people Otten know by now that they shouldn’t underestimate Oilers’ prospects like they always do.

  64. LMHF#1 says:

    digger50:
    Ouch

    Sigh

    It is still getting worse as the enormity of thier situation sinks in.

    Now, who signed Koskinen? We hear but we don’t hear. Signing by committee? What does that mean? As things were going down the drain, where were the stop gaps to prevent further stupidity?

    Based on how this crew handles responses, I’d wager Chiarelli did it, then to cover for looking like their house was completely out of order, they claimed group decision.

    Whatever it was…can’t believe a word out of this group and that is annoying to say the least. I’d rather they black-box it in its entirety if they’re simply going to (badly) obfuscate all the time.

  65. LMHF#1 says:

    texmex:
    I hate to wish time away, but the season cannot end soon enough.

    Isn’t it disturbing how many times we’ve come to that point?

    That’s what makes this time so much worse.

    Never believe a sports manager who tells you something along the lines of “the pain will be worth it” when they’re part of the cause.

  66. deardylan says:

    Peter Chiarelli has no business in the bedrooms and living rooms of the Oilers nation. He haunts us still.

  67. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    LMHF#1: Isn’t it disturbing how many times we’ve come to that point?

    That’s what makes this time so much worse.

    Never believe a sports manager who tells you something along the lines of “the pain will be worth it” when they’re part of the cause.

    Will burger Bob simply repeat his “we will be better” speech from last year?

    Because they are dangerously close to finishing worse than last year.

  68. texmex says:

    I wonder if Hughes pulls a Lindros if the oilers win the lottery?

    Seems like that’s the next occurrence in this nightmare

  69. LMHF#1 says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Will burger Bob simply repeat his “we will be better” speech from last year?

    Because they are dangerously close to finishing worse than last year.

    Imagine where they’d be if they hadn’t had those 2 good stretches of games.

    Although maybe then Bob wouldn’t be up there claiming “we were good…member!!!”.

    But the org is all bought in – even have Jack Michaels lying and saying the Oilers were on an unbeaten streak…

  70. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    texmex:
    I wonder if Hughes pulls a Lindros if the oilers win the lottery?

    Seems like that’s the next occurrencein this nightmare

    Would that be enough to affect (effect?) real change?

  71. texmex says:

    Réal Goudenyéu,

    Sadly, probably not.

  72. JimmyV1965 says:

    In the last 10 games, we have six goals from players outside the big three. Four of those goals were scored in two games. Kassian with two, Gagner with two, Rattie with one and Currie. This has to be historically bad secondary scoring. Wonder if there’s any kind of stat that you could use to track that sort of thing.

  73. OmJo says:

    I think somebody who reads the comments here just called into the post game show on CHED lol

  74. JimmyV1965 says:

    Gotta love HNIC in Canada coverage. During the first intermission, the crew is gushing about what a wonderful job Reilly and Tavares are doing shutting down McDavid. The very first clip they show is a stunningly egregious interference play by Reilly that any self respecting ref should have called a penalty. Great shutdown work there Reilly. To be fair, some of the crew actually looked embarrassed by the clip and Burke later said it should have been a penalty. I thought it perfectly illustrated the crap McDavid has to endure every frickin game and the state of reffing in this league.

  75. texmex says:

    From Spector;

    “Koskinen, who next year begins a three-year deal that pays him $4.5 million a year, is an NHL goalie with an AHL glove hand. It’s a problem, with the league’s shooters zeroing in on that suspect mitt nightly.”

    Hit the nail on the head

  76. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: Why wouldn’t I watch the Oilers play hockey?I’m a fan of the Oilers!

    Do you like shitty hockey though?

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Gotta love HNIC in Canada coverage. During the first intermission, the crew is gushing about what a wonderful job Reilly and Tavares are doing shutting down McDavid. The very first clip they show is a stunningly egregious interference play by Reilly that any self respecting ref should have called a penalty. Great shutdown work there Reilly. To be fair, some of the crew actually looked embarrassed by the clip and Burke later said it should have been a penalty. I thought it perfectly illustrated the crap McDavid has to endure every frickin game and the state of reffing in this league.

    It was painfully obvious interference…

    OriginalPouzar:
    How is that not interference on Riley?That non-call there is my biggest pet peeve.

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    Watching the following on the highlights is not in the same ballparks as watching it live:

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1100921498414403584

    That first period was a wonderful display by the Oilers – some of the best hockey they’ve played this year.

    I like to be informed about the Oilers – if I don’t watch, I’m missing out on information that is important to analyzing the players and the coaches. I don’t like missing out on information as I like to discuss the Oilers as intelligently as possible.

    I have more information on Sekera than those that didn’t watch. I have more information on how McDavid and Gagner look as a pair than those that didn’t watch. I have more information on Connor Brown and what I think his worth might be to the Oilers and the cost that those that didn’t watch.

  79. BONE207 says:

    I pulled the chute at 4-1. I know…I’m weak.
    CONNOR not effective. Bad defensive coverage. Nurse looking like Russell. As many of you said: take away the stick & let the goalie handle the shot. Koski , I thought was doing ok. I don’t blame him.

    So it’ll be more Cohen & SNC scandal & movies. Someone fix this please…

  80. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Come on, no reason for a whistle, give Nuge the goal….

    Puck was in prior to the whistle (but I think its “intent to blow”).

    May be goalie interference on Kass though – probably should be – that will be no goal if they review.

    I like intent to blow – on a number of fronts (ultra pun).

  81. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Like the past decade, you have more information on a roster that will no way
    Resemble what we see next fall.

    50% or more of the players you analyzed tonight will not play next year for the
    Oilers.

    Unless this infamous organization, actually hires Keith Gretzky.

  82. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Well, that was not so good after the first period.

    Oh well, on to the game tomorrow.I’m hoping Koskinen gets the start because, as I mentioned earlier, the biggest thing for me next game is to see if he can bounce back from a bad game and get back on track (as opposed to having it parlay in to a cold streak).

    OPs post after the Koskinen start tomorrow:

    Darn, I was hoping Koskinen would bounce back strong vis-a-vis his off performance last night but he was weak again – albeit on a tough back to back. Oh well, I can’t wait see Koskinen put up a great start next game as he halts his mini slide. Can’t wait to watch the Oilers shit the bed (err) put up an entertaining effort next outing.

  83. HugThePost says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Would that be enough to affect (effect?) real change?

    There’s another potential trade demand from another prized #1OV here that has a bigger chance of shaking things up in Red Wine Country…………

  84. Oilpower says:

    Tampa is just a fantastic team! They should win the cup this year or it will be a massive fail really.

  85. Genjutsu says:

    deardylan:
    Forgive my low WG-Q.What is a Thespian?

    I think it’s someone that only likes other actors.

  86. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Glovjuice: OPs post after the Koskinen start tomorrow:

    Darn, I was hoping Koskinen would bounce back strong vis-a-vis his off performance last night but he was weak again – albeit on a tough back to back. Oh well, I can’t wait see Koskinen put up a great start next game as he halts his mini slide.Can’t wait to watch the Oilers shit the bed (err) put up an entertaining effort next outing.

    😂😂😂😂 It looks like I’m not the only one noticing the unbridled, unrelenting, unreasonable optimism.

  87. Admiral Ackbar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I don’t like missing out on information as I like to discuss the Oilers as intelligently as possible.

    Huh?

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Like the past decade, you have more information on a roster that will no way
    Resemble what we see next fall.

    50% or more of the players you analyzed tonight will not play next year for the
    Oilers.

    Unless this infamous organization, actually hires Keith Gretzky.

    If management, whoever it is, turns over half the roster, that will be something else. I just gave a few examples in my post but I gained information on 23 players, including McDavid (who had the worse game of his professional career), Drai (who was the best player on the ice, by far through 15 minutes and then disappeared), Klefbom (who had his weakest game defensively since his returns), etc.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice: OPs post after the Koskinen start tomorrow:

    Darn, I was hoping Koskinen would bounce back strong vis-a-vis his off performance last night but he was weak again – albeit on a tough back to back. Oh well, I can’t wait see Koskinen put up a great start next game as he halts his mini slide.Can’t wait to watch the Oilers shit the bed (err) put up an entertaining effort next outing.

    No matter what happens in the game tonight against the Sens, absolutely, I will be watching the Battle of Alberta on HNIC on Saturday and looking forward to it. I’m an Oilers fan and look forward to watching Oilers games.

    It seems others look forward to talking about the Oilers while making a point of not watching – to each their own but it makes no sense to me.

    Its also wild to be that I’m criticized on an Oilers social media community for watching Oilers games – it would be interesting to talk about the Oilers and their play if everyone had the badge of honer they get, apparently, for making a point not to watch – it could be fun to speculate on how they performed as a team and as individuals.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    Admiral Ackbar: It looks like I’m not the only one noticing the unbridled, unrelenting, unreasonable optimism.

    I’m not even optimistic – not even a little bit. This team is simply not very good.

    I think there is a real ability to improve within a 2 year period if management is patient and calculated (and there is a great elite young core and various other young assets to build from), however, I am not optimistic at all that management will not make egregious decisions due to a mandate from ownership to right the ship for next year – buyouts to open up cap space which is used in connection with trading high picks and prospects (good young cost controlled assets that could/should provide value contracts to round out the linueup) for older established more expensive players – creating cap penalties and furthering the cap crunch while limited the medium term ability to truly compete.

    I’m optimistic that there is a fairly easy approach to improve within a few years that is low risk but I’m not optimistic at all it will be taken.

  91. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not even optimistic – not even a little bit. This team is simply not very good.

    I think there is a real ability to improve within a 2 year period if management is patient and calculated (and there is a great elite young core and various other young assets to build from), however, I am not optimistic at all that management will not make egregious decisions due to a mandate from ownership to right the ship for next year – buyouts to open up cap space which is used in connection with trading high picks and prospects (good young cost controlled assets that could/should provide value contracts to round out the linueup) for older established more expensive players – creating cap penalties and furthering the cap crunch while limited the medium term ability to truly compete.

    I’m optimistic that there is a fairly easy approach to improve within a few years that is low risk but I’m not optimistic at all it will be taken.

    OP you’re like that gold miner with the crafty claim that flies under the radar until you hit the motherlode. While everyone else wastes their time and money down at the saloon you’re getting another good night’s sleep, so when you’re finally ready to leave Dawson for good there’s going to be a bright future to look forward to; meanwhile my kind as often as not ends up barfing themselves to death in seedy hotel rooms.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    Admiral Ackbar: Huh?

    How does one intelligently participate in conversation regarding the Oilers, the play of certain players, what needs to be done to the roster, which players fit where and should and should not be on the team, the value of players in a trade and to the team, etc, etc, etc. if they don’t watch the games?

    For example, many posters have had these strong opinions on Sekera and “Robidas Island” and never being effective again and buying him out or trading him with retention for cap space, etc. Sekera is back playing and if these posters aren’t watching the games and not seeing him play, how can they actually make an informed opinion on what should be vis-a-vis Sekera – where he fits in next year, his value, etc? They can’t, they can simply propagate their preconceived narrative on him.

  93. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Original Pouzar is Ned Flanders, singing Que Sera Sera while everyone else is bicketing in the shelter.

  94. stephen sheps says:

    A few notes from the game:

    Being an Oilers fan in leaf-land sucks. After last night I think my hatred of leafs fans has risen to new levels. Zero grace in victory, only smugness and assholery.

    But onto the game itself.

    It was worse in person than I’m sure it looked on TV. After a strong but loose first, the team completely caved in on itself in the 2nd. They have no battle. Chatter on the bench was non-existent. They looked tired and broken.

    The only 4 players I saw consistently good throughout the game were Leon, Klef (he does so many little things well), Larsson and Sam Gagner. He was actually backchecking harder than I’ve ever seen him play in his career. Smart player, knows where to be. He should stay with Leon the rest of the season. They play well together and seemed to feed off of each other when Hitch moved him there in the 3rd.

    Rieder will never score again

    Cave and Currie are solid bottom 6 players

    Russell/Nurse needs to stop being a thing. The number of times I shouted ‘F%^k Russell’ last night was very high. They are bad for each other and just completely lack both offensive and defensive awareness. Russell losing positioning on Marleau for the 1st goal was brutal.

    My sociology of sport students are going to be chirping me like mad this morning. wish me luck.

  95. BONE207 says:

    it would be interesting to talk about the Oilers and their play if everyone had the badge of honer

    So am I to take this as: You get badges for gaining prowess in sharpening your farm implements. One for your pitchfork, one for your scythe & one for razors. It’s bad enough watching this team’s lack of progress but we need qualifications to discuss the doom & gloom.

    Cannons are still ok though, right?

  96. OmJo says:

    I don’t need to watch every second of every game – and even if I wanted to, I couldn’t to begin with – to know that this isn’t a good team. We have a combination of statistics and commentary to substitute for that – when appropriate.

  97. frjohnk says:

    OmJo:
    I don’t need to watch every second of every game – and even if I wanted to, I couldn’t to begin with – to know that this isn’t a good team. We have a combination of statistics and commentary to substitute for that – when appropriate.

    If I cant watch the game live ( which happens quite a bit because of work and 5 kids) I will PVR and watch it later.

    Last night I PVRed it, starting watching it about an hour or so later. I ended up fast forwarding the last 2 periods when Drai and McDavid were not on the ice. I finished watching it around the same time the game was over.

  98. Bag of Pucks says:

    I hope everyone got the memo. You’re not a truly knowledgeable fan unless you watch every second of every meaningless game.

    Never mind that we have actual data to help us analyze things now. Seeing them good (or bad as the case may be) still rules supreme.

    Imagine how much we could learn about this team if we could watch them in the playoffs more than once a decade? I know I would commit to watching every one of those games.

  99. OmJo says:

    frjohnk: If I cant watch the game live ( which happens quite a bit because of work and 5 kids) I will PVR and watch it later.

    Last night I PVRed it, starting watching it about an hour or so later.I ended up fast forwarding the last 2 periods when Drai and McDavid were not on the ice.I finished watching it around the same time the game was over.

    I’ll usually just listen to PbP if I can’t watch. My work doesn’t seem to mind (well, they don’t really know I do this so shhh) but yeah, i barely have free time as is let alone time to dedicate 3 unproductive hours of Oilers hockey.

    If they were winning (ie, worth watching) well then I could probably put more effort to make time to watch them.

    Oh well.

  100. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    How does one intelligently participate in conversation regarding the Oilers, the play of certain players, what needs to be done to the roster, which players fit where and should and should not be on the team, the value of players in a trade and to the team, etc, etc, etc. if they don’t watch the games?

    I could easily only watch 1/3 of the remaining games live and be completely in the loop on all of these things and that’s not a ‘me’ thing, I think anybody could (and perhaps should) do that. You could just as easily overvalue the end of the season with recency bias (and other memory-related issues with the eye test) and that could threaten ‘intelligent’ participation in conversation.

    And really, how many players on the Oilers are the books out on? We’ve got veterans playing out the string here. There’s no players discovering their games on the roster that’s being deployed. Any news on Sekera can easily just be picked up, you don’t need to watch a shift by shift. This is because the question that can be answered with this small(ish) sample so far is binary. It’s essentially whether or not he’s compromised – as he was last year – the more qualitative one leans the more they’re getting into the weeds because it’s not a good enough sample to make those judgements.

    Take Rattie’s run at the end of last year around this time. If you didn’t watch the games you’d still have known about it, and then you could check the stats and know that it was on shaky ground in regards to its repeatability. There’s no lack of intelligence there.

    Essentially, to suggest that a gap in knowledge of the minute details of the tail end of a campaign played out by a team full of veterans has a significant impact in ones ability to discuss the way forward for the team is wrongheaded outright.

    In general, I’d say I see a post from you like 80+% of the time that someone says they’re not watching (even if it’s not directed to you) that’s to this effect:

    OriginalPouzar: I like to be informed about the Oilers – if I don’t watch, I’m missing out on information that is important to analyzing the players and the coaches. I don’t like missing out on information as I like to discuss the Oilers as intelligently as possible.

    I have more information on Sekera than those that didn’t watch. I have more information on how McDavid and Gagner look as a pair than those that didn’t watch. I have more information on Connor Brown and what I think his worth might be to the Oilers and the cost that those that didn’t watch.

    Which… is what it is. But to frame Ryan or Glov’s posts as you being ‘criticised for watching the game’ when Ryan just asked the question and Glov made a post that was poking fun at the tone of your game-day posts – not the fact that you watched the games – is pretty self-victimising. You jump into these conversations voluntarily almost every time people talk about not watching the game.

    (Also, I should mention that the entire messaging you use there could easily be co-opted for an argument for eye-stats purity; and in fact closely resembles those old ones. That should drive home the type of category they’re in)

  101. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: How does one intelligently participate in conversation regarding the Oilers, the play of certain players, what needs to be done to the roster, which players fit where and should and should not be on the team, the value of players in a trade and to the team, etc, etc, etc. if they don’t watch the games?

    For example, many posters have had these strong opinions on Sekera and “Robidas Island” and never being effective again and buying him out or trading him with retention for cap space, etc.Sekera is back playing and if these posters aren’t watching the games and not seeing him play, how can they actually make an informed opinion on what should be vis-a-vis Sekera – where he fits in next year, his value, etc?They can’t, they can simply propagate their preconceived narrative on him.

    Watching quasi AHL rosters play out the string can also be misleading in terms of the information gathered.

    There’s always some Marc Arcobello who goes on a bit of a run getting minutes they would never see on a good team. Smart people start looking at his underlying numbers and projecting him to be a serviceable second line centre then he’s out of the league in a year.

  102. Jethro Tull says:

    Remember the meme when analytics were just gaining traction here? What was it? Oh yeah;

    WATCH THE GAME, NERDS!!!!!

    Kidding of course, but sport fills a hole for many of us left by the weird taste of not being quite sure of what to make of religion.

    But like religion, I think the best approach is that we each enjoy the Oilers in our own way.

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