Game 66 2018-19: Oilers at Sabres

by Lowetide

Bob Nicholson and Keith Gretzky are in Boca Raton, Florida today for NHL meetings. One imagines we are getting closer to finding out the name, face and direction of the team. Opinions are like bums, we all have one. What would you do with the current Edmonton Oilers roster? Personal opinion time for 2019-20.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: How many future NHL goal scorers are playing for the Bakersfield Condors this season?
  • Lowetide: The career destination for Oilers phenom Jesse Puljujarvi remains unknown.
  • Jonathan Willis: Learning from a flawed argument I made about Leon Draisaitl in 2016.
  • Black Dog Pat: How the Oilers can emerge from the Bob Pulford-like era they’re stuck in.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers given harsh lesson by Leafs as playoff hopes on life support.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ deadline decisions inform what may come in spring and summer
  • Jonathan Willis: From Mikko Koskinen to Bakersfield, the next two months will reveal a lot about the Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: After bringing in Sam Gagner and shipping out Cam Talbot, Oilers stand pat on deadline day.
  • Jonathan Willis: Jesse Puljujarvi needs a fresh start, but there’s no reason it can’t be in Edmonton
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.
  • Lowetide: Are the 2018-19 Bakersfield Condors the best Edmonton Oilers affiliate ever?
  • Lowetide: How can the Oilers successfully sell the new regime to a fan base that is openly angry?
  • Jonathan Willis: Edmonton’s trade for Sam Gagner is a gamble well worth making.
  • Jonathan Willis: Inside the success of the Bakersfield Condors, and what it means for Edmonton
  • Lowetide: The Oilers sure have a lot of problems, but there is a simple solution.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Keith Gretzky on the Oilers trade deadline plan, Andrej Sekera’s return and Jesse Puljujarvi’s season
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ potential roster upheaval might set a record for summer activity
  • Lowetide: It’s time for Oilers owner Daryl Katz to stand and deliver a winning organization.
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL free agency period
  • Lowetide: Edmonton’s 2019 entry draft plans may change with new GM but needs are clear
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

OILERS AFTER 66

  • Oilers in 2015: 25-34-7, 57 points; goal differential -28
  • Oilers in 2016: 35-23-8, 78 points; goal differential +11
  • Oilers in 2017: 28-34-4, 60 points; goal differential -37
  • Oilers in 2018: 28-30-7, 63 points; goal differential -22

OILERS IN MARCH

  • Oilers in March 2016: 2-0-0, four points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in March 2017: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in March 2018: 0-2-0, zero points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in March 2019: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential +4

WHAT TO EXPECT IN MARCH

  • On the road to: Columbus, Buffalo (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Toronto, NY Rangers, Minnesota (Expected 2-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Arizona, Vegas, St. Louis (Expected: 0-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Columbus, Ottawa, Los Angeles, Dallas, Anaheim (Expected: 3-1-1) (Actual)
  • Overall expected result: 5-5-4, 14 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-0-0, two points in one game

POSSIBLE OPENING NIGHT ROSTER 2019-20

  • I traded way too much, it’s true, but honestly this is going to require a ‘machete summer’ to make anything work in the fall.
  • I traded most of the future but did retain Bouchard, Joel Persson, William Lagesson and Dmitri Samorukov on defense, and Benson, Kailer Yamamoto and Cooper Marody among the forwards. The first-round pick was part of the Hall compensation, along with JP and Jones. You can scream “that’s not close to enough” and I’ll understand, would only suggest to you the trade would be for one year of Hall and should be considered damned dangerous.
  • Matt Benning is best suited to third pairing, so the club could move Sekera to RH side to play him with Nurse. That would make the third pairing Gravel-Benning/Bouchard, but I really like Sekera with Bouchard. I chose Benning to move up because I like him best among the available options. Hopefully Sekera-Bouchard move past the second pairing by mid-season. Either way, I’m sincere in suggesting Benning will be an upgrade on Russell in that spot.
  • I would prefer to keep Jesse Puljujarvi but suspect the die is cast. Let JP be the last first-round pick the Oilers handle this way, please and thanks.
  • I like this team. A lot. My additions (Brian Elliott, J-G Pageau, Taylor Hall, Tyler Ennis) may not be yours and that’s cool. Please drop your roster ideas in the comments section, I’m looking forward to reading.

MIKKO KOSKINEN

One area we should give lots of attention this spring is goaltending. I believe that starts with Mikko Koskinen and his place on the roster. Is he a bona fide No. 1 starter, with the idea of bringing in an Elliott as backup? That’s my guess today, Elliott can start (and thrive) for periods of a season. Here are the Pacific Division goalies (25 or more games) with even-strength save percentages:

  1. David Rittich (Calgary) 36 games, .925
  2. Jacob Markstrom (Vancouver) 50 games, .921
  3. John Gibson (Anaheim) 48 games, .920
  4. Mikko Koskinen (Edmonton) 40 games, .918
  5. Darcy Kuemper (Arizona) 39 games, .917
  6. Marc-Andre Fleury (Vegas) 56 games, .916
  7. Jonathan Quick (Los Angeles) 35 games, .905
  8. Martin Jones (San Jose) 50 games, .895

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, a busy morning and a fun week ahead. Scheduled to appear:

  • Andy McNamara, TSN4Downs. Andy watched hundreds of hours of NFL combine video and knows all!
  • Bill Hoppe, Times Herald. We’ll chat Sabres, deadline and playoff chances.
  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260. Oilers and the playoff race.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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Andy Dufresne

leadfarmer:
You know who would love to have Koskinen right now?
The Flames

And Colorado……..with $9.3 million in goalies and Francouz in the AHL

JOFA

hunter1909: No worries re keeping Lowe+MacT lol the total architects of this disaster.

No doubt in my mind they stay. That’s a given. Idiots!

leadfarmer

JOFA:
Sooooooo McCrimmon or Hunter and Gretzky stays. The Oilers telegraph everything. Book it! Org is a complete joke!

Well. Better than just giving it to Gretzky which I thought they would

JOFA

Connor and his agent need to tell them he is going to walk if they don’t get their shit together.

hunter1909

JOFA:
Sooooooo McCrimmon or Hunter and Gretzky stays. The Oilers telegraph everything. Book it! Org is a complete joke!

No worries re keeping Lowe+MacT lol the total architects of this disaster.

leadfarmer

Johnny skid: that old dinosaur coach did as well.

What did he do?
Ok here is the game plan guys. We’re going to play horrible defense and give up 3 goals to get them into a false sense of security. Then we will have Mcdavid and Drai do their thing. Then we will have Koskinen stand on his head and let the puck hit the post to make it seem like they may score but then have this funny double tap that you couldn’t repeat if you tried.
Ok Break

Andy Dufresne

Sierra: Or is it that they are playing better with Klef and Sek

Valid point. Klef and Sek are definitley the bigger part of the equation. I honestly think they may be better off on this stretch run without JP though. JJ is another story……

hunter1909

Theoretically, so long as they don’t lose;

There’s a chance!

JOFA

Sooooooo McCrimmon or Hunter and Gretzky stays. The Oilers telegraph everything. Book it! Org is a complete joke!

Rebillled

Pomminville gets all the nightmares tonight.

The captain almost pulls a Stepan, but Skinner and Jack couldn’t Hemsky.

leadfarmer

You know who would love to have Koskinen right now?
The Flames

Andy Dufresne

OmJo: Ahh, it needs to he LTIR? I thought IR would count.

So with JP on LTIR the next scallop will be an emergency one?

HMMMMM I love emergency scallops…..with butter and chives……

BornInAGretzkyJersey

leadfarmer,

Don’t shoot the messenger, lol. Sam has been listed as about 200 lbs for basically one forever.

Samwise:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=93938

Leon:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=160174

Johnny skid

leadfarmer:
That crappy goalie wins again

that old dinosaur coach did as well.

BONE207

Ben:
Never seen anything like that Pomminville play. Legend of Buffalo sports grows.

If you ever watched the X Files, the smoking man said the Bill’s were not allowed to win. I didn’t think the fix was in on the Sabres as well. Gord wants the Oilers to win. Strange guy,That Gord

OmJo

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
OmJo,

I don’t believe so.Believe it depends on the time of the injury and the recall, and neither JP nor JJ have been activated to LTIR yet.If I’m wrong I’m sure some of the sage posters will elucidate us on the intricacies.

Ahh, it needs to he LTIR? I thought IR would count.

So with JP on LTIR the next scallop will be an emergency one?

Andy Dufresne

BONE207: NHL head office reviewed it. No Goal.

THey reviewed the Kassian goal too……for offside…….its a default review on every Kass goal.

Scungilli Slushy

Scungilli Slushy: Look it up for yourself. Messier was that size. Tarasenko is heavier. The average size of a top 30 goal scorer a someyears ago from an ON piece was 6’1 205.Think Wheeler, Rantanen, Laine.

He is just an awkward skater which is why the Oilers got him when they did given his obvious talent and what the scouting reports called him on which made him fall.

Kassian is that size as well, very fast

OmJo

pts2pndr: Not saying this is not possible. What I am saying is that we have sewered two seasons with this thinking. A good deal of the moving Drasaitl up to Conners wing is an attempt to outscore mistakes. It has not worked to this point. Why should we believe next season will be different. I believe with a true top four we will have enough scoring to make the playoffs. I believe this can be done without gambling the future! We have torn the management apart for doing exactly what many are now suggesting! This thinking has not been successful why rinse and repeat?

Idk if I would say management did that. They opted to stick with Russell as 2RD if Benning couldn’t do it and traded Eberle to do it.

This season they opted to bring in Chiasson (the personification of a lucky bounce), Brodziak and Reider – who might go the entire season without a goal. This time they’re bringing in a true offensive threat – who is coming off knee surgery mind you.

Even with another top 4 dman, the winger depth just isn’t there to take a step forward IMO. We need both, no doubt. But instead of using assets on something we might have a year or two away (Bouchard, Jones, Bear, etc) I’d rather use them to get an elite LW if possible, something we don’t really have (as of right now, IMO).

leadfarmer

Scungilli Slushy: Look it up for yourself. Messier was that size. Tarasenko is heavier. The average size of a top 30 goal scorer a someyears ago from an ON piece was 6’1 205.Think Wheeler, Rantanen, Laine.

He is just an awkward skater which is why the Oilers got him when they did given his obvious talent and what the scouting reports called him on which made him fall.

Some years ago does not equal now. The game has changed to a speed game. A lot of the heavy weights are long gone. Was rare to find a 5 foot 10 180 lb d. Now they are coveted

Sierra

Andy Dufresne: I dont know……but this team is playing better without JP and JJ

Or is it that they are playing better with Klef and Sek

leadfarmer

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
Scungilli Slushy,

Honestly, that is the same/inverse description of Samwise.

Not a small player, but not huge either.

Leon is 6.03/208
Sam is 5.11/200

Size is relative.

Density is indicative.

I call BS on that Gagner number
If it’s true he needs to drop 20 lbs and get some acceleration back.
He got pushed around when he started and put on some pounds that definitely slowed down as he did.

Andy Dufresne

Professor Q:
Will McDavid ever learn how to score an Empty Net Goal?!

Also, why was the penalty on a random stick theft and not three Sabres mugging McDavid in the middle of the ice, which surely should have been an awarded goal?

Yes. how wa thta not a penalty??

BornInAGretzkyJersey

OmJo,

I don’t believe so. Believe it depends on the time of the injury and the recall, and neither JP nor JJ have been activated to LTIR yet. If I’m wrong I’m sure some of the sage posters will elucidate us on the intricacies.

BONE207

Dicky94:
BONE207,

At least he hit the post.

NHL head office reviewed it. No Goal.

Scungilli Slushy

LMHF#1: 6’2” and more than 210 of muscle isn’t big in the NHL?

Not a monster but no one’s stepping in front of that train too often.

Look it up for yourself. Messier was that size. Tarasenko is heavier. The average size of a top 30 goal scorer a some years ago from an ON piece was 6’1 205.
Think Wheeler, Rantanen, Laine.

He is just an awkward skater which is why the Oilers got him when they did given his obvious talent and what the scouting reports called him on which made him fall.

Andy Dufresne

Reja:
How is Kass not a star I quess people view hockey differently I can guarantee the players on the ice would say otherwise.

Agreed. He played a great game.

Professor Q

Will McDavid ever learn how to score an Empty Net Goal?!

Also, why was the penalty on a random stick theft and not three Sabres mugging McDavid in the middle of the ice, which surely should have been an awarded goal?

Andy Dufresne

OmJo: Do the injuries to Puljujarvi and Khaira not make Malone and Currie emergency recalls?

I dont know……but this team is playing better without JP and JJ

leadfarmer

OriginalPouzar: This was a key point in the game – it wasn’t a huge 5-bell save that Mikko made but it was a plus save at a very important time. That goes in and I don’t believe the Oilers come back.

Good job Mikko.

Way to bounce back after some early struggles.

I’m wondering how many of those shots you expect a goalie to save.
Being a Chia hire is going to be an insurmountable hill to climb for some.
He’s not going to win a Vezina but he is a capable goalie

Andy Dufresne

Dicky94:
BONE207,

At least he hit the post.

wrong side of the post

OmJo

godot10: The OIlers have used two of their four AHL callups already on Malone and Currie.Only two left.More require injuries.

Do the injuries to Puljujarvi and Khaira not make Malone and Currie emergency recalls?

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Scungilli Slushy,

Honestly, that is the same/inverse description of Samwise.

Not a small player, but not huge either.

Leon is 6.03/208
Sam is 5.11/200

Size is relative.

Density is indicative.

Reja

How is Kass not a star I quess people view hockey differently I can guarantee the players on the ice would say otherwise.

Andy Dufresne

OriginalPouzar: This was a key point in the game – it wasn’t a huge 5-bell save that Mikko made but it was a plus save at a very important time. That goes in and I don’t believe the Oilers come back.

Good job Mikko.

Way to bounce back after the team struggled early.

^ FTFY

.921 SV PCT……Third Star…… even though the team played like shit in front of him for the 1st 20 minutes.

Ben

Never seen anything like that Pomminville play. Legend of Buffalo sports grows.

RandyRanderson

Wow…. that was entertaining

Ice Sage

Stefan-esque
Must be a first-overall thing

leadfarmer

They get a break for a couple days and then a very winnable game vs a Canucks team that’s struggling terribly

Dicky94

BONE207,

At least he hit the post.

Scungilli Slushy

LMHF#1: Never really lost it. He’s a guy that would fight for you on line 4 if that was necessary.

The end in Edmonton was – among other things – another Dallas Eakins special.

I can’t agree with that. Like Hall and Eberle he needed the school of hard knocks to get his head out of his ass.

None of the three were hard workers when young players. That they all ended up on the same team didn’t help, but they had other choices to make than those they did.

leadfarmer

That crappy goalie wins again

Andy Dufresne

leadfarmer:
How was that not a penalty on Buffalo on Mcdavid break

twice

OriginalPouzar

OriginalPouzar:
Solid save by Koskinen on the Risto one-timer.

Wasn’t’ a great looking PK but they didn’t break – time to parlay that in to a late 2nd period goal….

This was a key point in the game – it wasn’t a huge 5-bell save that Mikko made but it was a plus save at a very important time. That goes in and I don’t believe the Oilers come back.

Good job Mikko.

Way to bounce back after some early struggles.

leadfarmer

I hate that call. If you are down by one that never gets called but if you are up it gets called
League required refereeing parity

striatic

Looked like interference on Connor during the play before he whiffed.

OriginalPouzar

Oh Connor – a Patrick Stefan-esque miss (not quite but I can’t believe he missed that).

Now our best player, penalty killer and faceoff guy is in the box.

Uh oh!

leadfarmer

How was that not a penalty on Buffalo on Mcdavid break

Suntory Hanzo

Andy Dufresne:
McDavid could have skated that one in

Poor choice.

BONE207

Fire that 97 guy into the sun..
Or call him Stephan

Andy Dufresne

McDavid could have skated that one in

LMHF#1

Connor….WTAF???

OriginalPouzar

Huge play by Kris Russell there – he struggled mightily through 30 minutes but has made a couple solid plays later.

LMHF#1

Scungilli Slushy: Except Leon isn’t a ‘big’ guy. He isn’t, he’s just not a smaller forward.

6’2” and more than 210 of muscle isn’t big in the NHL?

Not a monster but no one’s stepping in front of that train too often.

Reja

Double hit like the Chinese golfer in the us open years ago

Andy Dufresne

Suntory Hanzo: He does seem to have much more fight in his game. He’s taken lots of hits and forechecked better than I recall.

And he doesnt fall down any more……….he out grew his snowy pants

LMHF#1

Suntory Hanzo: He does seem to have much more fight in his game. He’s taken lots of hits and forechecked better than I recall.

Never really lost it. He’s a guy that would fight for you on line 4 if that was necessary.

The end in Edmonton was – among other things – another Dallas Eakins special.

Scungilli Slushy

leadfarmer: Absolutely.Acceleration is ok but top speed is very good for a big guy

Except Leon isn’t a ‘big’ guy. He isn’t, he’s just not a smaller forward.

Andy Dufresne

KOSKINEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Psyched him out…….casued him to savehis own shot!

Suntory Hanzo

LMHF#1:
Underrated play by Gagner to skate that all the way and get the whistle. Well done.

He does seem to have much more fight in his game. He’s taken lots of hits and forechecked better than I recall.

Andy Dufresne

OriginalPouzar: How Skinner didn’t score, I have no idea.

Ahem…………..the goalie?

Dicky94

Zelepukin,

I’ll eat the puck if that happens.

Andy Dufresne

Fuck…..incidental conntact

Andy Dufresne

Reja:
Surprised no team picked up Kass for the playoffs he’s built for them.

A few teams inquired. Someone made an offer…..I cant recalll who

leadfarmer

Zelepukin: In our final regular season game, against Calgary, we’ll need to win to make the playoffs and Reider will score the GWG. Book it.

The team will push Rieder and the puck into the empty net together giving him credit for the goal

Andy Dufresne

OriginalPouzar: He certainly does, however, I will say, the last 5 games or so, he seems to have “learned” how to play a bit with McDavid – getting to the right spots, timing his arrivals better, smarter dumps of the puck to soft areas, etc.

I am starting to wonder if he can continue that type of smart play…… he has had some consistency issues in his career (understatement) but this is quite a sample on the top line.

He has REALLY managed his temper over this period as well. Almost looking smart like Tkachuk in terms of being irritating/agressive but not retaliating and not crossing the line.

leadfarmer

Zelepukin:
I would argue that Leon is a plus skater, he just does it on his terms. He sleeps without an alarm clock.

Absolutely. Acceleration is ok but top speed is very good for a big guy

Ben

77 putting on a bit of a pants-pooping clinic out there.

Scungilli Slushy

Cave also seems pretty solid as a fourth. He’s invested and also one that needs to get the wobble out, but if he does a solid helper.

Zelepukin

leadfarmer: Insurance, not miracle

In our final regular season game, against Calgary, we’ll need to win to make the playoffs and Reider will score the GWG. Book it.

LMHF#1

Underrated play by Gagner to skate that all the way and get the whistle. Well done.

OriginalPouzar

Not a good play by Klef – can’t turn it over inside the blueline to the Eichel line – not defending a lead with less than 8 minutes to go. How Skinner didn’t score, I have no idea.

leadfarmer

I guess if 3 guys interfere Kassian it’s not interference

Reja

Surprised no team picked up Kass for the playoffs he’s built for them.

Sierra

Reja:
Where’s the let’s run Leon out of town crowd he only has 2 points tonight and he really didn’t celebrate enough for their liking when he scored.

Where, when was this a thing, and by which posters?

Andy Dufresne

defensive lapse almost cost us a goal

Zelepukin

I would argue that Leon is a plus skater, he just does it on his terms. He sleeps without an alarm clock.

OriginalPouzar

Scungilli Slushy:

Kassian lacks hockey and game sense, but he has enough skill, and his ability to get on players quickly I see as valuable.

He certainly does, however, I will say, the last 5 games or so, he seems to have “learned” how to play a bit with McDavid – getting to the right spots, timing his arrivals better, smarter dumps of the puck to soft areas, etc.

I am starting to wonder if he can continue that type of smart play…… he has had some consistency issues in his career (understatement) but this is quite a sample on the top line.

Andy Dufresne

Adam Larsson is a Stud.

leadfarmer

Andy Dufresne: Tobias Reider?

Insurance, not miracle

leadfarmer

Ilya Samsonov 926 936 in KHL last two seasons. 893 in Ahl this season
Francouz 946 953 in KHL last two seasons. 918 in Ahl this season
Koskinen 937 916 in KHL last two seasons. 911 in NHL

This is a big freaking deal.

Andy Dufresne

OriginalPouzar:
An insurance goal would be quite nice….

Tobias Reider?

Scungilli Slushy

Currie is interesting, I like his battle level, and he seems to have good awareness, hard to tell if he can get the wobble out yet. I’d he can he might be a nice fourth L that could slot up.

OriginalPouzar

This Gagner/Drai duo looks like it has something to it…… mind you, Drai may be able to carry Jean-Francois Jacuques right now….

Scungilli Slushy

Nice battle by the team.

Russell is a perfect example of why an undersized player needs oversized boots.

Without plus skating they simply are not effective IMO. Even with talent.

Watching the others in the same boat no different- Rattie, Gagner. The typical sized guys it also gives the same look, occupying space instead of attacking the puck carrier for fear of getting burned or not able to get where they need to be.

Kassian lacks hockey and game sense, but he has enough skill, and his ability to get on players quickly I see as valuable.

I’d rather they keep him and not retain Chiasson or Brodziak. They really need to up the number of players that can first skate every shift with pace and then hopefully find players that can think at pace.

Which is what the secret of Tampa and other better teams are doing.

Leon and Larsson can make it work without the plus skating, but those players are few.

OriginalPouzar

An insurance goal would be quite nice….

Andy Dufresne

OriginalPouzar: You can keep pasting the same post as much as you want but it doesn’t change the fact that he struggled mightily for over 2 months – essentially zero games that were “good enough”.

Of course a goalie will be better with a better defensive group – doesn’t change the fact that he was not able to provide the tending the team needed, not only consistently, but essentially ever – during that stretch.

You’re persistent Ill give you that. ? Its one of the things we love about you.

But persistence in the face of facts is, shall we say less than helpful

Here are the facts:

From FrJohnK, LT and Woodguy.

Here are a few sample sizes when looking at Koskinen. Save% All situations.
.927 till Dec 11th Klefbom injury 15 games
.855 during klefboms injury 14 games
.918 since Klefbom is back 11 games
.913 with McClellan 8 games
.902 with Hitch till Talbot trade 25 games
.934 since Talbot trade 7 games

The Pacific Division this Year:
David Rittich (Calgary) 36 games, .925
Jacob Markstrom (Vancouver) 50 games, .921
John Gibson (Anaheim) 48 games, .920
Mikko Koskinen (Edmonton) 40 games, .918
Darcy Kuemper (Arizona) 39 games, .917
Marc-Andre Fleury (Vegas) 56 games, .916
Jonathan Quick (Los Angeles) 35 games, .905
Martin Jones (San Jose) 50 games, .895

Those are some pretty good goalies.

LT showed us his evidence in chart form yesterday that Kosiknen is TOP 10 in GS Ax ( Goals Saved Above Expectation ) for goalies that have played 1900 minutes or more. It measures how a goalie is performing relative to the shot quality they face. Mikko is sandwiched between Rinne and Fluery.

Woodguy followed up by showing us Koskinen is above average with a positive GSAA*. ( there are 30 goalies in the league who are below average in GSAA)

Briz said to ask you..”OP, Why you hef to be so stub born? Dont be Med. Just admeet it, you like him, YOU REALLY LIKE HIM!” ?

Mikko is an above average Goalie when playing in front of a VERY AVERAGE but healthy defense AND when the team doesnt let him down with thier inconsistent play.

And all of this after transitioning his LIFE to a new continent! Pretty amazing actually.

* ( “GSAA” – Goals Saved Above Average. You take the league’s average save percentage and apply it to the amount of shots a particular goalie has faced. You get a number of goals that the average goalie in that league would have surrendered if they faced the same number of shots as the goaltender in question. That number gets compared to the number of goals surrendered by that goaltender, and a plus/minus is created. If a goalie is in the positive, that is how many goals they have saved compared to a league-average goalie.)

Infintie Loop

Andy Dufresne

leadfarmer: People will blame him for the Chia contract that was given to him and have trouble seeing past it
They have trouble realizing that any g playing behind this d needs a very short memory
And given the big transition he has undergone (look at where the other sought after KHL goalies are playing). He has had a very adequate season

Agreed. We all have blind spots caused by one thing or another.

OriginalPouzar

Andy Dufresne: You’re persistent Ill give you that. Its one of the things we love about you.

But persistence in the face of facts is, shall we say less than helpful

Here are the facts:

From FrJohnK, LT and Woodguy.

Here are a few sample sizes when looking at Koskinen. Save% All situations.
.927 till Dec 11th Klefbom injury 15 games
.855 during klefboms injury 14 games
.918 since Klefbom is back 11 games
.913 with McClellan 8 games
.902 with Hitch till Talbot trade 25 games
.934 since Talbot trade 7 games

The Pacific Division this Year:
David Rittich (Calgary) 36 games, .925
Jacob Markstrom (Vancouver) 50 games, .921
John Gibson (Anaheim) 48 games, .920
Mikko Koskinen (Edmonton) 40 games, .918
Darcy Kuemper (Arizona) 39 games, .917
Marc-Andre Fleury (Vegas) 56 games, .916
Jonathan Quick (Los Angeles) 35 games, .905
Martin Jones (San Jose) 50 games, .895

Those are some pretty good goalies.

LT showed us his evidence in chart form yesterday that Kosiknen is TOP 10 in GS Ax ( Goals Saved Above Expectation ) for goalies that have played 1900 minutes or more. It measures how a goalie is performing relative to the shot quality they face. Mikko is sandwiched between Rinne and Fluery.

Woodguy followed up by showing us Koskinen is above average with a positive GSAA*. ( there are 30 goalies in the league who are below average in GSAA)

Briz said to ask you..”OP, Why you hef to be so stub born? Dont be Med. Just admeet it, you like him, YOU REALLY LIKE HIM!”

Mikko is an above average Goalie when playing in front of a VERY AVERAGE but healthy defense AND when the team doesnt let him down with thier inconsistent play.

And all of this after transitioning his LIFE to a new continent! Pretty amazing actually.

* ( “GSAA” – Goals Saved Above Average. You take the league’s average save percentage and apply it to the amount of shots a particular goalie has faced. You get a number of goals that the average goalie in that league would have surrendered if they faced the same number of shots as the goaltender in question. That number gets compared to the number of goals surrendered by that goaltender, and a plus/minus is created. If a goalie is in the positive, that is how many goals they have saved compared to a league-average goalie.)

You can keep pasting the same post as much as you want but it doesn’t change the fact that he struggled mightily for over 2 months – essentially zero games that were “good enough”.

Of course a goalie will be better with a better defensive group – doesn’t change the fact that he was not able to provide the tending the team needed, not only consistently, but essentially ever – during that stretch.

leadfarmer

Andy Dufresne: And Koskinen playing better as well…..go figure.

People will blame him for the Chia contract that was given to him and have trouble seeing past it
They have trouble realizing that any g playing behind this d needs a very short memory
And given the big transition he has undergone (look at where the other sought after KHL goalies are playing). He has had a very adequate season

RandyRanderson

Is there a statistic for tracking how many times a player ices the puck?

I swear Darnell is easily leading the team in icing!

Andy Dufresne

~ Koskinen is streaky.

Koskinen was shit in the first period.

Koskinen was amazing in the second period.

Which Koskinen will we get in the third? ~

Glovjuice

RonnieB: If that is disturbing, imagine Ottawa finishing last and Colorado missing the playoffs and winning the draft lottery. Hughes AND Kakko !

Imaging having Hall, Drai, Nuge, and Yak and winning the McDavid lottery.

Reja

Where’s the let’s run Leon out of town crowd he only has 2 points tonight and he really didn’t celebrate enough for their liking when he scored.

Ben

Housley watched Drai’s sexy stick work and couldn’t help but pull his Linus.

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer: How many points does he have with Mcdavid and Drai off the ice?
Nurse is a fine player.But he definitely benefits from a lot of ice time with two franchise players

Of course he does – as does everyone else that plays with McDavid.

As was noted yesterday, Klefbom plays more with McDavid than Nurse….

I would posit that all top scoring d-men in the league play material minutes with the top forwards on their teams.

Nurse was full value for both his points tonight – neither goal is scored without his play.

At some point, the player needs to be given credit – 1.75 seasons of continued production – its that point.

Andy Dufresne

OriginalPouzar:
Yet another strong possession shift – nice plays on the boards by both Rattie and Lucic and a weak point shot goes of Brodz’s skate an it – the Oilers will take it.

What a turn around in the last 5 minutes of play.

2 games in a row the Oilers have caused the home team to be booed off the ice.

And Koskinen playing better as well…..go figure.

judgedrude

Lowetide:
After One:

16-16 Buffalo Corsi 5-on-5

Buffalo for the tie…homer.

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer:
This is the Leon from the playoffs from a few seasons back that got him paid.
Beast mode
Please get some wingers so we can have two top lines

This Leon is much better than the Leon from the playoffs – as good as he was, we have a bigger, stronger, smarter player who is also the team’s top faceoff guy and a top penalty killer.

Andy Dufresne

OriginalPouzar:
Poor pass by Larsson goes for icing and the Sabres score off the ensuring faceoff to take a lead.

Klef/Larsson chasing behind the net and noone takes the guy in front – Rattie was closest – not sure where Brodz was as the center on the ice.

#becausekoskinen

Bag of Pucks

Reider should be in the press box. The team would be better off dressing 7 D.

Maybe the Oil should stop signing castoffs from crappy teams? When Arizona doesn’t want you…

Andy Dufresne

OriginalPouzar:
Damn, Russell is having a tough tough game in his own zone – I think that’s 4 times now he’s had possession near the goal line and has given it up for continued BUF pressure.

#becausekoskinen

Andy Dufresne

Lowetide:
2-1 Buffalo. They are the better team in the first period, no doubt about it.

SHitty Oilers showed up for the first period and gave Kosikinen no chance.

Good Oilers show up in the second period and Mikko shuts the door

OriginalPouzar

Leon scores with McDavid shorthanded.

Leon with a couple great plays a 5 on 5 to set up goals away from McDavid.

Leon killing penalties.

Leon a plus faceoff guy.

Leon with a massive uptick in his 2-way game and defensive zone coverage.

The way Leon is playing, 100% a top 5 forward in the league.

Up to 4th in the NHL in scoring and 2nd in goals – unreal.

Lucic n Chong

Lowetide,

sigh…this is us, isn’t it.

Bag of Pucks

leadfarmer: How many points does he have with Mcdavid and Drai off the ice?
Nurse is a fine player.But he definitely benefits from a lot of ice time with two franchise players

That goal tonight was excellent anticipation reading the play and then a top shelf shot.

Andy Dufresne

OriginalPouzar: Which Koskinen will show up??

The good Koskinen that provides solid goaltending through the entire games, does not let in any terrible goals and comes up with important saves

OR

The terrible Koskinen that leaks bad goals, in particular at bad times, and can’t come up with a save when the team needs it

You’re persistent Ill give you that. ? Its one of the things we love about you.

But persistence in the face of facts is, shall we say less than helpful

Here are the facts:

From FrJohnK, LT and Woodguy.

Here are a few sample sizes when looking at Koskinen. Save% All situations.
.927 till Dec 11th Klefbom injury 15 games
.855 during klefboms injury 14 games
.918 since Klefbom is back 11 games
.913 with McClellan 8 games
.902 with Hitch till Talbot trade 25 games
.934 since Talbot trade 7 games

The Pacific Division this Year:
David Rittich (Calgary) 36 games, .925
Jacob Markstrom (Vancouver) 50 games, .921
John Gibson (Anaheim) 48 games, .920
Mikko Koskinen (Edmonton) 40 games, .918
Darcy Kuemper (Arizona) 39 games, .917
Marc-Andre Fleury (Vegas) 56 games, .916
Jonathan Quick (Los Angeles) 35 games, .905
Martin Jones (San Jose) 50 games, .895

Those are some pretty good goalies.

LT showed us his evidence in chart form yesterday that Kosiknen is TOP 10 in GS Ax ( Goals Saved Above Expectation ) for goalies that have played 1900 minutes or more. It measures how a goalie is performing relative to the shot quality they face. Mikko is sandwiched between Rinne and Fluery.

Woodguy followed up by showing us Koskinen is above average with a positive GSAA*. ( there are 30 goalies in the league who are below average in GSAA)

Briz said to ask you..”OP, Why you hef to be so stub born? Dont be Med. Just admeet it, you like him, YOU REALLY LIKE HIM!” ?

Mikko is an above average Goalie when playing in front of a VERY AVERAGE but healthy defense AND when the team doesnt let him down with thier inconsistent play.

And all of this after transitioning his LIFE to a new continent! Pretty amazing actually.

* ( “GSAA” – Goals Saved Above Average. You take the league’s average save percentage and apply it to the amount of shots a particular goalie has faced. You get a number of goals that the average goalie in that league would have surrendered if they faced the same number of shots as the goaltender in question. That number gets compared to the number of goals surrendered by that goaltender, and a plus/minus is created. If a goalie is in the positive, that is how many goals they have saved compared to a league-average goalie.)

Bag of Pucks

OriginalPouzar:
Yet another strong possession shift – nice plays on the boards by both Rattie and Lucic and a weak point shot goes of Brodz’s skate an it – the Oilers will take it.

What a turn around in the last 5 minutes of play.

2 games in a row the Oilers have caused the home team to be booed off the ice.

Suspect some of that fan reaction is due to the fact that the Oilers are perceived as an expected home win.

JimmyV1965

I’ll take a stab at the line combos for next year.

Ehlers-McDavid-Kassian
RNH-Drai-Brown
Khaira-Gagner-Chiasson
Benson-Marody-Currie
Cave

Klef-Larsson
Nurse-Sekera
Jones-McKeown
Lagesson

I’ve got lots of rookies here, but they’re all slotted at the bottom of the order and can play sheltered minutes. Of course, this is all dependent on trading out Lucic and Russell. I’ve got Benning leaving in a trade for Brown, but he could also play 3RD.

leadfarmer

OriginalPouzar:
Another two points for Nurse one at 4 on 5 and one at 5 on 5.

Yup, the shortie point was a secondary assist but it was absolutely important in the play.

The offence continues and he is becoming full value for it.

How many points does he have with Mcdavid and Drai off the ice?
Nurse is a fine player. But he definitely benefits from a lot of ice time with two franchise players

Bag of Pucks

Lowetide: At least they didn’t blame the player.

Agreed. Not the Oilers most noble trait.

That said, there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence mounting that JP is a few colours short of a full crayon box.

OriginalPouzar

Another two points for Nurse one at 4 on 5 and one at 5 on 5.

Yup, the shortie point was a secondary assist but it was absolutely important in the play.

The offence continues and he is becoming full value for it.

leadfarmer

Gerta Rauss: lol

Will help some in the offensive zone. Will hurt in the defensive zone.
I don’t think many disagree with that assessment

leadfarmer

This is the Leon from the playoffs from a few seasons back that got him paid.
Beast mode
Please get some wingers so we can have two top lines

OriginalPouzar

OriginalPouzar:
Solid save by Koskinen on the Risto one-timer.

Wasn’t’ a great looking PK but they didn’t break – time to parlay that in to a late 2nd period goal….

OriginalPouzar:
A couple nice push-back shifts – would be real nice to get one before the period ends.

I would have been satisfied with one but three and the lead will suffice.

Bag of Pucks

Boys playing gritty tonight in honour of Terrible Ted.

Reja

That’s a playoff shift nice to get rewarded with a goal.

Gerta Rauss

Zelepukin: Too bad he isn’t an NHL player.

lol

OriginalPouzar

Yet another strong possession shift – nice plays on the boards by both Rattie and Lucic and a weak point shot goes of Brodz’s skate an it – the Oilers will take it.

What a turn around in the last 5 minutes of play.

2 games in a row the Oilers have caused the home team to be booed off the ice.

Zelepukin

OriginalPouzar: Fantastic work by Gagner on the cycle and on the board.

Too bad he isn’t an NHL player.

leadfarmer

OriginalPouzar:
Wow – what a pass by Leon to Nurse to tie the game up.

Remember that shift against CBJ – 90 seconds of possession culminating in a goal – shift of he year?

Well, that was the second best shift of the year.

Fantastic work by Gagner on the cycle and on the board.

Tie game.

What Mcdavid does with his skating Leon does with his passing. Not as dynamic but not as confusing for his linemates either

OriginalPouzar

ArmchairGM: Still on Malone’s nuts I see.

Well, if someone is coming up from Bakersfield, is he not the guy to go down?

Is he anything more than a tweener at best? Honestly?

Gerta Rauss

woot!!

ArmchairGM

Leon now FOURTH IN THE LEAGUE.

Imagine how good he could be if he wasn’t so lazy.

giddy

I turn the game on and it’s 1-0, Buffalo scores 3, I turn it off 3/4 the way through the 2nd to study.

Clearly I should not watch.

Zelepukin

Drai tied for 4th. Unreal.

Kinger_Oil.redux

– so many Oiler fans here! Can’t wait for my post tmrw.

leadfarmer

That parent with the kid with the Stanley cup and Oilers Jersey is a gluten for punishment

Turning Tikkanese

Love that Leon of late! Wow.

OriginalPouzar

Wow – what a pass by Leon to Nurse to tie the game up.

Remember that shift against CBJ – 90 seconds of possession culminating in a goal – shift of he year?

Well, that was the second best shift of the year.

Fantastic work by Gagner on the cycle and on the board.

Tie game.

Ben

29 just on another fucking level.

ArmchairGM

Darnell!!

Gerta Rauss

woot!

godot10

Dicky94:
OriginalPouzar,

Bakersfield will be fine. Time to reward some guys with a few NHL games.

The OIlers have used two of their four AHL callups already on Malone and Currie. Only two left. More require injuries.

OriginalPouzar

Fantastic pass from McDavid to Kass and I can’t believe Kass scored from distance.

Very nice keep at the blue by Russell.

Gerta Rauss

woot

OriginalPouzar

A couple nice push-back shifts – would be real nice to get one before the period ends.

OriginalPouzar

Dicky94:
OriginalPouzar,

Bakersfield will be fine. Time to reward some guys with a few NHL games.

There is no forward down there that is going to move the needle up at the NHL level.

Gretzky already said outright that Benson isn’t getting called up.

Joe G. and Marody would certainty hurt the Condors if recalled and they’ve both received NHL time this year (Marody twice) and should continue their seasons where they are playing material and important roles and developing in the proper league.

Sure, call up P. Russell again but give them Malone to replace him.

ArmchairGM

OriginalPouzar: Leave the Bake alone and insert J. Kharia in to the lineup (on the premise that the 2-3 week timeline remains the timeline, if it ever way).

Send Brad Malone back to Bakersfield.

Still on Malone’s nuts I see.

leadfarmer

OriginalPouzar: Except both lines have been rendered ineffective so far since they were split……

I don’t disagree generally though.

I think the whole team is ineffective tonight.

OriginalPouzar

Nice to see the Lucic/Cave/Currie line back together – hopefully they can get some o-zone possession time like they have and shift the momentum.

OriginalPouzar

Solid save by Koskinen on the Risto one-timer.

Wasn’t’ a great looking PK but they didn’t break – time to parlay that in to a late 2nd period goal….

Dicky94

OriginalPouzar,

Bakersfield will be fine. Time to reward some guys with a few NHL games.

texmex

leadfarmer,

At what point do we realize that it isn’t the system, rather the personnel?

All players should have to attend hockey 101 during the off-season

OriginalPouzar

Dicky94:
Please don’t play Rieder anymore and bring somebody up from Bakersfield.

Leave the Bake alone and insert J. Kharia in to the lineup (on the premise that the 2-3 week timeline remains the timeline, if it ever way).

Send Brad Malone back to Bakersfield.

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer:
This is why I like Mcdavid and Drai split up
What Mcdavid does with raw skating Drai does with his passing

Except both lines have been rendered ineffective so far since they were split……

I don’t disagree generally though.

leadfarmer

I can’t believe how bad this Hitch defensive system is. When he got hired I expected us to suck. But I didn’t think we would be this clueless in our own zone
The only thing more incompetent was Weights 5 Russell system last year

Dicky94

Please don’t play Rieder anymore and bring somebody up from Bakersfield.

leadfarmer

This is why I like Mcdavid and Drai split up
What Mcdavid does with raw skating Drai does with his passing

OriginalPouzar

I’ve seen better powerplays – odd to see McDavid struggle with zone entry on the PP.

leadfarmer

Pass back entry. The one trick pony

pts2pndr

OriginalPouzar:
but, but, but Coach Ramanda is adamant defenders should go pick up their sticks….

Terrible d-zone coverage on goal 2 – both d-men focusing on the guy behind the net and where the hell was Brordz, the center on the ice.

Kassian needs to recognize the situation and the fact a d-man is up on the rush and not miss far side.

Drew is a legend in his own mind and in love with his own voice! End of rant!

OriginalPouzar

Damn, Russell is having a tough tough game in his own zone – I think that’s 4 times now he’s had possession near the goal line and has given it up for continued BUF pressure.

ArmchairGM

Haha, Leon schools Dahlin.

pts2pndr

OmJo: Having two lines that can tilt the ice for 30 minutes a night might be able to overcome a non-binafide 2RD for a season until one of the RD in the system are ready for that role. The reinforcements are on their way.

We don’t have a Hall coming. And we screwed up his supposed replacement (Puljujarvi).

Not saying this is not possible. What I am saying is that we have sewered two seasons with this thinking. A good deal of the moving Drasaitl up to Conners wing is an attempt to outscore mistakes. It has not worked to this point. Why should we believe next season will be different. I believe with a true top four we will have enough scoring to make the playoffs. I believe this can be done without gambling the future! We have torn the management apart for doing exactly what many are now suggesting! This thinking has not been successful why rinse and repeat?

OriginalPouzar

Looks like coach is going to stick with the Nuge/McDavid due for now……

Lucic n Chong

John Shannon update on Jessie (paraphrasing):

Puljujarvi had surgery today on BOTH hips. They (not sure if team/player or both?) were hoping to avoid surgery and tried injections, but no joy. Expected to be ready for training camp. Saying the injury happened in the weight room from Jessie overtraining/using improper form/too much weight.

How does this happen when you employ a full time strength and conditioning coach with the team. Do you not monitor your players training regimen?

OriginalPouzar

Now its Nuge/McDavid/Drai for a shift – Hitch doing what he does……. one sub par period is all it takes…

who

Woodguy v2.0:
who,

I agree he doesn’t re sign in NJ.
Okay lets assume you can get Hall to extend before the trade. Is 7 x 9 million a reasonable number?

I think he signs for something like that.

Do you think that is a good idea?

I’m not sure given the injury history.

Do you think we have the cap space?

Yes

My concern is you are going to overpay by 2 million based on his 1 MVP season

Here is why Hall gets paid:

Relative 5v5 Goal Share for his career:

SeasonGF% Rel
201020111.7
201120129.71
2012201310.55
201320148.76
2014201515.13
2015201612.87
2016201710.72
2017201813.71
2018201913.19

He drives 5v5 goal share at an elite level and has since his 2nd year in the league.

The “one good MVP year” narrative is very, very wrong and everyone who perpetuates it knows its wrong.


nd you are going to have to give too much term for an injury prone player who is approaching the wrong side of the aging curve.

This is the concern.

The aging curve for elite players is much, much broader than standard players.

Ovechkin and Malkin are still going strong at 33 years old.

Hall isn’t quite in that group but is just a rung below imo.

He’d be 29 when the new contract kicked in and if he stays healthy he probably has 5-6 years at a high level.

His knee problems are a concern and I’d want to know exactly what they operated on and if it was related to his previous surgery.

Saying he’s injury prone is a bit too much though.

5 previous seasons to this year he played:

2013-1475
2014-1553
2015-1682
2016-1772
2017-1876
2018-1933

So he missed this many games:

2013-147
2014-1529
2015-160
2016-1710
2017-186
2018-19?

The last time he missed significant time was 4 seasons ago, that’s not injury prone.

The knee is a concern though.

Actually I follow your reasoning on all of this.
But I keep coming back to this;
If we have the cap room, and we have to give up significant assets to get Hall, and then extend him at 7×9, why not just sign Duschene at 7×8, for no asset cost?
Or why not wait a year to sign Hall as a UFA?

OriginalPouzar

Nuge up with McDavid (not Drai).

OriginalPouzar

Nice little drive to the net there by Larsson – would have been nice if that squeaked through – good shift by the second line to start the period.

Reja

Kinger_Oil.redux: – the bad oilers showed up and Koski followed suit. Sure if he was tretiak maybe he makes a save and it’s 2-1. Any articles tmrw that talk about Koski being the problem and he’s an anchor that sewers this team for 3 years will be met with righteousness fury and glorious thunder.

Kosh got hung out to dry in the first. You know hitch ripped into them cue the come back

OriginalPouzar

but, but, but Coach Ramanda is adamant defenders should go pick up their sticks….

Terrible d-zone coverage on goal 2 – both d-men focusing on the guy behind the net and where the hell was Brordz, the center on the ice.

Kassian needs to recognize the situation and the fact a d-man is up on the rush and not miss far side.

leadfarmer

This is what I keep saying with goalering and this team.
Sure it would have been nice for Koskinen to have saved one of those
But what the hell is this team doing on defense?
Larsson fetching his stick before puck leaves zone with the most dangerous players on ice
Mittlestadt the only player in HD area with 5 guy hanging out with no one covering
Nurse overaggressive on pursuit, Kassian with the rookie miss on far side on a rush and Russell bailing on everything

OriginalPouzar

Per Darren Dreger, potential GM list has narrowed to “around 10 names” and includes Kelly McCrimmon, Dave Nonis, Mark Hunter, Mike Futa, Sean Burke & Keith Gretzky.

texmex

Oilers hate nationally televised games it seems. Game is on nhl network in the USA

Kinger_Oil.redux

giddy:
So, quite clear the bad Koskinen has shown up.

What is up with Buffalo just schlacking us every time, anyway?

– the bad oilers showed up and Koski followed suit. Sure if he was tretiak maybe he makes a save and it’s 2-1. Any articles tmrw that talk about Koski being the problem and he’s an anchor that sewers this team for 3 years will be met with righteousness fury and glorious thunder.

jake70

Kassian shot that way wide, and up the ice the puck goes, with 3 Sabres and in the net. HIt the gd net.

Kinger_Oil.redux

ArmchairGM: Are you watching the same game?

– buffalo plays better. I see a lot of oilers kind of floating waiting for a play to rush out and score. It’s a normal way to play at this stage. Score some goals and f?ck the rest.

Bulging Twine

I would like there to be less games in a season to get a better product to watch.

texmex

Stolarz time?

OriginalPouzar

That was awesome – Russell with an own-zone giveaway followed by his prototypical star fish.

The puck does get out but Kassian with a poor play in the offensive zone – shoots one wide and it goes all the way around for a 3 on 1 for BUF and Eichel buries it.

The worst of both Russell (transition and zone exists and the terrible starfish) and Nurse (offensive zone IQ) but at least the gaff didn’t lead to the goal against, Kass’ did though..

giddy

So, quite clear the bad Koskinen has shown up.

What is up with Buffalo just schlacking us every time, anyway?

ArmchairGM

Another starfish? WTF!

Alpine

OriginalPouzar: Absolutely not, I don’t think this is one iota of a chance he gets $4M X 4 in free agency.

Komarov just got 4 years x 3 million. Beagle got the same. Roussell got the same. None of them produce offense. Not a stretch for Lucic to get more than those guys.

OriginalPouzar

Damn, I wish Chiasson was better with the puck on his stick – just doesn’t have skilled hands – not great corralling passes, making passes, etc.- if he had some better skill with the puck on his stick, he’d be a real nice player.

ArmchairGM

leadfarmer: Which game in last 5 years are you referring to?

This one.

ArmchairGM

Draisaitl is now the 6th leading scorer in the NHL. And clear of Kane 2nd in goals.

leadfarmer

ArmchairGM: Are you watching the same game?

Which game in last 5 years are you referring to?

Reja

Why are we cursed with Drew Remaida?

ArmchairGM

Kinger_Oil.redux:
– ok I’m here I give my play by play. Gagner is not an nhler. I said it.

Are you watching the same game?

OriginalPouzar

Poor pass by Larsson goes for icing and the Sabres score off the ensuring faceoff to take a lead.

Klef/Larsson chasing behind the net and noone takes the guy in front – Rattie was closest – not sure where Brodz was as the center on the ice.

ArmchairGM

Puck watching…

Kinger_Oil.redux

– ok I’m here I give my play by play. Gagner is not an nhler. I said it.

Zelepukin

OriginalPouzar:
Oh, right, Leon isn’t just a puck-hoging goal scorer – he can pass as well – nice set up for Kass there – save was made though.

It’s definitely interesting to watch his mental transition from being very much a pass first, or delay and wait for the perfect time to deliver a saucy back-hand player, to now looking for those scoring opportunities. You can tell he wants to be drive the next more.

Todd Macallan

What a one touch pass from Drai to McD in the neutral zone. Post away from being a beauty of a goal

OriginalPouzar

Oh, right, McDavid can shoot – rang one off the post from distance.

OriginalPouzar

Oh, right, Leon isn’t just a puck-hoging goal scorer – he can pass as well – nice set up for Kass there – save was made though.

OriginalPouzar

Ouch – poor play by Currie on that “pass to Rieder” for the icing.

giddy

Lots of pretty hockey right there. Love to see it.

OriginalPouzar

It was a nice look from Nurse to McDavid but I think it should be noted that, upon review, it was quite the pass take by McDavid – knocked down the bouncing puck and then kicked it up and stayed onside – wow!

OriginalPouzar

That play right there, you can see how good Dahlin is – a nice own zone move to create space and a tape to tape stretch pass covering two zones.

He is there super active in the offensive zone, creating passing lanes (for passes to him).

Wow!

Zelepukin

OriginalPouzar:
Its never good when the team is shorthanded before 29 and 97 even see the ice – Chiasson over the glass.

lol.

Kinger_Oil.redux

– 9-8. Come on make it happen. I’m here. 3 rows up. Do it

ArmchairGM

Rookie move by Larsson.