Ahead by a Century

Connor McDavid hit the century mark for the third season in a row last night. I imagine he’s as angry as a raging bull after the team lost a game they should have won, but this group (unlike McDavid and linemate Leon Draisaitl) is not bound for glory. Congratulations to a wonderful player, Oilers fans are beyond fortunate to have him in Edmonton.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: Leon Draisaitl and the Oilers’ history of 50-goal seasons
  • New Jonathan Willis: Keith Gretzky is a legitimate Oilers GM candidate, but would be a hard sell in Edmonton
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers can build a contender during Connor McDavid’s prime.
  • Lowetide: How the emergence of William Lagesson in Bakersfield complicates Edmonton’s 2019-20 depth chart.
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers aren’t good, but this group has more potential than teams from the decade of darkness
  • Lowetide: Bob Nicholson’s search continues for the Oilers new tomorrow, but at a leisurely pace.
  • Jonathan Willis: Potential GM candidates and why Edmonton needs to consider those with varied experiences
  • Lowetide: Identifying Oilers roster needs reveals a familiar list
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Leon Draisaitl has found ‘another level’ by matching offensive wizardry with sound positioning.
  • Lowetide: How many future NHL goal scorers are playing for the Bakersfield Condors this season?
  • Lowetide: The career destination for Oilers phenom Jesse Puljujarvi remains unknown.
  • Jonathan Willis: Learning from a flawed argument I made about Leon Draisaitl in 2016.
  • Black Dog Pat: How the Oilers can emerge from the Bob Pulford-like era they’re stuck in.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ deadline decisions inform what may come in spring and summer
  • Jonathan Willis: From Mikko Koskinen to Bakersfield, the next two months will reveal a lot about the Oilers
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

OILERS AFTER 70

  • Oilers in 2015: 27-36-7, 61 points; goal differential -32
  • Oilers in 2016: 37-24-9, 103 points; goal differential +19
  • Oilers in 2017: 30-35-5, 65 points; goal differential -37
  • Oilers in 2018: 31-32-7, 69 points; goal differential -23

OILERS IN MARCH

  • Oilers in March 2016: 4-2-0, seven points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in March 2017: 3-2-1, seven points; goal differential +7
  • Oilers in March 2018: 3-3-0, four points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in March 2019: 4-2-0, eight points; goal differential +3

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • On the road to: Columbus, Buffalo (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Toronto, NY Rangers, NJD (Expected 2-1-1) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • On the road to: Arizona, Vegas, St. Louis (Expected: 0-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Columbus, Ottawa, Los Angeles, Dallas, Anaheim (Expected: 3-1-1) (Actual)
  • Overall expected result: 5-5-4, 14 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 4-2-0, eight points in six games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • I’m not going to run the numbers, they’re in the NST link below. Oh hell, here they are.
  • Sekera-Benning were 15-11 in 12:10, 12-8 shots, 1-0 goals and 1-3 HDSC. Hitch said he was the best pair and I believe he was right.
  • Klefbom-Larsson went 14-13 in 15:07, 6-10 shots, 0-1 goals and 3-4 HDSC. Larsson left the slot open on the PP goal, and both men were in slow motion on the later 5-on-5 GA (no one could get the puck under control).
  • Nurse-Russell were 16-13 in 15:28, 7-9 shots, 0-1 goals and 5-2 HDSC. Their numbers were typical of the night, probably earned a goal based on where the puck was heading most of the night. But Nurse didn’t handle a strange pass from Sekera early (on the first goal) and it was a two-on-one. Koskinen played it badly after the initial save, but it’s still a dash one.
  • Mikko Koskinen was poor on the first and fourth goals, I believe the third one was tipped (could be wrong). He’s been grand, this was a night to save him. Stopped 14 of 18, .778.
  • Anthony Stolarz stopped 15 of 17, .882. He cannot let the late goal in.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian went 8-6 in 10:46, 2-4 shots no goals and no HDSC. I think all three men brought a lot of effort (and 97 clicked twice) but nothing got through.
  • Khaira-Nuge-Gagner were 8-10 in 7:39, 6-6 shots, 1-0 goals and 3-5 HDSC. The goal was a bit of a fluke and the coverage by this line was inconsistent. Nuge was listed with two HDSC but I have found him quiet recently with the puck.
  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Gagner went 8-2 in 4:25, 6-2 shots no goals and 3-0 HDSC. A nice change of pace, 89’s smarts added an interesting wrinkle to the line.
  • Lucic-Brodziak-Currie were 6-5 in 4:07, 3-3 shots, no goals and 1-3 HDSC. Brodziak had a couple of chances, Currie dished a nice pass to Lucic who almost caught the goalie napping. Currie’s a smart player, I like him.
  • Rieder-Cave-Chiasson went 2-2 in 4:03, 1-2 shots, 0-1 goals and no HDSC. It was nice to see Chiasson get goal No. 20, he’s the fourth player to do it this year. The power play that produced it was incredible. More please.

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?

First, let’s give credit where due, the Oilers have been playing well for some time. Second, the goalies weren’t fabulous and that’s going to impact any game. Connor McDavid said “We took them lightly, took the game for granted. I don’t think we came to work” and that’s certainly true. Finally, and this is important to remember, there are some big holes on this roster. If you add two established skill wingers and a power-play quarterback who plays RHD to this group, things would be better. Goalie still has to stop more pucks, though.

NHL DRAFT LOTTERY

April 9 is the date, that’s earlier than usual and a gift for Oilers fans in need of fresh discussion material. Edmonton currently ranks No. 8, meaning there’s a good chance the team will be drafting inside the top 10. Here are my top 10, with a reminder that my list is not supposed to resemble other lists (it’s math heavy).

  1. C Jack Hughes, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). He’s 5.10, 168 but an absolute rocket who takes no time at all to reach high speed.
  2. R Kaapo Kakko, Turkku (Sm-Liiga). He’s 6.02, 190 and already flourishing in the Sm-Liiga. Scouts rave about his advanced two-way game and ability to control the pace of play. Some pretty smart analysts are talking about Kakko going No. 1, but I have him just behind Hughes.
  3. L Arthur Kaliyev, Hamilton (OHL). He has the best NHLE (41) in the draft and I can’t ignore it. I’ve read about skating, hockey sense and playing on the perimeter. I can’t ignore the math.
  4. R Dylan Cozens, Lethbridge (WHL). Size, skill and he can skate. Range of skills, accurate shooter. He has 32 goals in 63 games.
  5. RC Kirby Dach, Saskatoon (WHL). Has emerged as my favourite player in this year’s draft. A dynamic player with size and tremendous skill, has speed, wingspan and an excellent release. He has 23 goals in 57 games, and there’s a razor thin line between he and Cozens.
  6. LC Trevor Zegras, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). I have a helluva time ranking these USHL kids, partly because of NHLE and partly because the national team is a ramrod (who’s zooming who?). Undersized and highly skilled, elusive and aggressive with very good speed.
  7. R Vasili Podkolzin, St. Petersburg (MHL). Smart player with tons of offensive ability, but also possesses good two-way instinct and no fear. Scouts love him, his numbers are lagging. June birthday.
  8. LC Alex Turcotte, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). A strong two-way reputation, he is skilled and an excellent skater. Injuries a worry, he may surpass Zegras on my final list, his 5-on-5 primary points per game is outstanding.
  9. LC Peyton Krebs, Kootenay (WHL). Skill forward who can score, he has quick feet and good hands. He’s just shy of Cozens and Dach, could be a draft bargain.
  10. LD Bowen Byram, Vancouver (WHL). Explosive speed is his top attribute but he’s also excellent with the puck and owns a heavy shot. I think he’ll go inside the top eight at the draft due to a lack of blueliners this year.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning, TSN1260, we get rolling at 10. Scheduled to appear:

  • Nate Davis, USA Today. NFL free agency gone wild.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. The race for playoff seeding makes for an interesting stretch drive, and an update on Oilers’ GM search.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. 90 minutes!

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  1. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic:

    Leon Draisaitl and the Oilers’ history of 50-goal seasons

    https://theathletic.com/864472/2019/03/14/lowetide-leon-draisaitl-and-the-oilers-history-of-50-goal-seasons/

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    McDavid hit the century mark last night but he was one of the players that had a poor game (of course, by his standards.

    No less than 10 times, and I think more, he attempted to stickhandle through a maze of opposition players only to give the puck up. He is often successful at this but it just wasn’t working last night.

    Larsson played the worst game I’ve ever seen him play. Just wild defensive positioning decisons. Klef and Larsson weren’t much better.

    Koskinen didn’t make the saves and then leaked bad goals – bad tending.

    Nuge was off.

    Just a bad night at a bad time.

  3. giddy says:

    Please Hitch, bring your blender for at least one game to the d pairs. Nurse-Russell cannot continue. At this rate I’d try Nurse-Larsson, Sekera-Russell, Klef-Benning, and run that. Use Klefbom as PP1.

  4. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide:
    New for The Athletic:

    Leon Draisaitl and the Oilers’ history of 50-goal seasons

    https://theathletic.com/864472/2019/03/14/lowetide-leon-draisaitl-and-the-oilers-history-of-50-goal-seasons/

    Excellent piece. I hope he achieves it, and gets more than Ovechkin, despite how impressive Alex’s season is at his age.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Professor Q: Excellent piece. I hope he achieves it, and gets more than Ovechkin, despite how impressive Alex’s season is at his age.

    Thanks, Prof.

  6. Offside says:

    “Oilers fans are beyond fortunate to have him in Edmonton.”

    No – Oilers brass are beyond fortunate to have him in Edmonton. If any fans deserve to have McDavid in their uniform, its us. But yeah – imaging trying to follow this team without him on the roster. How many would have given up?

  7. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    I though Lucic fighting that kid was really stupid and felt the game was over when that happened. Why give them something to rally around? Am I too old school for thinking this? The Oilers were pressing and could have just kept up the pace, then the bottom fell out. New Jersey decided then that they might not win, but they would at least enjoy themselves while Edmonton gripped their sticks even tighter.

  8. DBO says:

    nice post LT. As usual, well thought out and even tempered. I think we often forge that this team was out of it for awhile and we may have kidded ourselves into thinking we had a shot. Enjoy the ride, but it is not happening this year.

    I think I pumped his tires a ton in the off season, but Faulk from Carolina would fit perfectly into 2 RD who can run a PP. One year left on his deal, but he fits immediately, buying you time for Bouchard and Bear to matriculate in the minors.
    Would you do Puljujarvi for Faulk and a 4th? Would they?

    And on the forward front, guys approaching RFA status in a year or so instead of mid 30s UFA’s would be nice. No big game hunting. Guys who have solid skills, but may be able to be had for prospects from rebuilding teams (Detroit, Florida – who are not rebuilding but clearing cap for a run at Panarin and Brobovsky. LA, Anaheim, Rangers)

  9. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Last night I went from the “They get on a roll, why not?” camp to the “Don’t deserve it anyway camp.”

    Larsson was horrible. Klefbom not much better.

  10. flyfish1168 says:

    RNH has been off lately. i wonder if he is playing at not 100% healthwise.

  11. Andy Dufresne says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur: Larsson was horrible. Klefbom not much better.

    ^ Goalies were poor, but lets not overlook this connection “Larsson was horrible. Klefbom not much better.”

    McDavid ““We took them lightly, took the game for granted. I don’t think we came to work”

  12. Jethro Tull says:

    Well, that was a big steamy dog egg laid by the team last night.

    The NJD beat basically a team with similar talent except for McDavid and Drai.

    There’s going to be bad games and last night’s epitomizes the Oilers so well it hurts. If everyone not named Connor and Drai isn’t playing their absolute best, we’re toast.

  13. Alpine says:

    This isn’t a good team, and we shouldn’t be fooled into thinking they are just because they closed the gap a bit on 8th place.

    They won some games because the pressure was off after underperforming the most relaxed expectations and there was some regression bound to happen after winning 6 games in two months.

    Would be nice for Connor to sniff the playoffs at a 50% clip by the end of year four, but this org definitely doesn’t deserve it and they won’t fix any issues if they sneak in or come just short.

    I’m not cheering for losses and haven’t been, I’m more numb at this point because the greater good of firing everyone doesn’t quite jive with a late season win streak.

  14. Alpine says:

    flyfish1168:
    RNH has been off lately. i wonder if he is playing at not 100% healthwise.

    He’s averaging 20 mins per for the first time since 2015 so I think there’s some fatigue there. Not to mention those ES minutes usually come with carrying around fourth liners. Hopefully he gets a good winger or two in the summer.

  15. Durag says:

    Lowetide: Oilers fans are beyond fortunate

    Demonstrably false.

  16. Genjutsu says:

    Offside:
    “Oilers fans are beyond fortunate to have him in Edmonton.”

    No – Oilers brass are beyond fortunate to have him in Edmonton. If any fans deserve to have McDavid in their uniform, its us. But yeah – imaging trying to follow this team without him on the roster. How many would have given up?

    Really? I’ve been alive for 5 cups and the 5 best offensive teams in history. The best player to ever play and another who is top 10 all time on any list.

    I could go on. and on.

    There has been long suffering for a good deal of time now but this fan base has been blessed beyond belief.

  17. giddy says:

    Durag: Demonstrably false.

    A great example of where context matters.

  18. Alpine says:

    As always, I’m always dreaming up Lucic trade scenarios and my latest idea involves sending him to CAR and taking Darling back. He’s not been an NHL goalie at all in the last two seasons but two years left on his deal means we get some good cap relief by 2021. The Canes are paying him 3 mil against the cap to play in the minors, they might rather overpay a bottom six guy with that money.

    If you were to do Lucic and a 2nd plus 3rd for Darling with salary retained (1.5 mil?) on both you could maybe throw in Dylan Wells as a semi-sweetener to free up a goalie spot for us and maybe CAR can give TvR to free up more cap space for them to get a forward in UFA or trade.

    I’d personally rather get Reimer in a Lucic trade but I’m starting from the position of taking back a similarly undesirable contract. Reimer will probably be free to a good home with FLA retaining salary if they’re taking a run at Bobrovsky.

  19. Andy Dufresne says:

    Durag: Demonstrably false.

    I think their ARE two tiers of Oilers fans. 🙂

    Those who witnessed the Glory Days (Gretz Mess) and look at McDavid as a bonus gift, and those who know only losing and the DoD and see McDavid as little consolation.

    #contextmatters

  20. innercitysmytty says:

    Genjutsu,

    Thing is a good chunk of the fan base is too young to have witnessed anything in the 1980s. So for all of them they have not been blessed with most of what you’re referring to. A lot of this fan base has seen about 27 years of hockey with about 5 playoff appearances and the worst stretch ever in North American pro sports. Habs fans have been blessed with 23 cups but a lot have never witnessed one. The expectation should be nothing less than quality hockey right now. Not having that expectation has led us to where we’re at now.

  21. Durag says:

    Andy Dufresne: I think their are two tiers of Oilers fans.

    Those who witnessed the Glory Days (Gretz Mess) and look at McDavid as a bonus gift, and those who know only losing and the DoD and see McDavid as little consolation.

    Yep, us tier-2 Oilers fans who don’t remember cups, but do remember being called tier-2 fans by the Oilers 🙂

  22. JimmyV1965 says:

    When was the last time the Oilers made a trade that really improved the team? And not the small deals deals like Kassian and Marion. I think I asked this before, but I forget now.

  23. Andy Dufresne says:

    innercitysmytty:
    Genjutsu,

    Thing is a good chunk of the fan base is too young to have witnessed anything in the 1980s. So for all of them they have not been blessed with most of what you’re referring to. A lot of this fan base has seen about 27 years of hockey with about 5 playoff appearances and the worst stretch ever in North American pro sports. Habs fans have been blessed with 23 cups but a lot have never witnessed one. The expectation should be nothing less than quality hockey right now. Not having that expectation has led us to where we’re at now.

    That and the fact that the Cleveland Browns have completed thier rebuild and should win their division this year…….has got to be weighing on us on some subconscious level. 🙂

  24. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965:
    When was the last time the Oilers made a trade that really improved the team? And not the small deals deals like Kassian and Marion.I think I asked this before, but I forget now.

    Hall for Larsson…………OH……..you meant “improved OUR team”.

  25. Durag says:

    JimmyV1965:
    When was the last time the Oilers made a trade that really improved the team? And not the small deals deals like Kassian and Marion.I think I asked this before, but I forget now.

    The 2006 deadline, my dude.

  26. leadfarmer says:

    Why is Draisatl still with Mcdavid.
    Nuge can’t drive a line by himself.
    Split them up

  27. Andy Dufresne says:

    LET THE GAMES BEGIN !!!

    Lose for Hughes!

    Play Crappo for Kakko!

    Loose a Dozen for Cozens!

    WIn the Losing Derby for Kirby (Dach)!

    Play Willie Nillie for Vasili !

    Embrace the Rot for Turcotte !

    Shit the Bed for Peyton Krebs!

    Keep this Losin Streak Goin so We Can Draft Bowen !

    Lose Forever so we can draft Trevor !

    Take this Winning no Farther so we can draft Arthur !

    There…..LT’s complete top 10.

  28. LMHF#1 says:

    People weren’t really surprised they got beat last night – right?

    That game was exactly the sort of game this squad loses. They are a bad, bad hockey team that has nothing approaching consistency in its DNA.

  29. giddy says:

    JimmyV1965:
    When was the last time the Oilers made a trade that really improved the team? And not the small deals deals like Kassian and Marion.I think I asked this before, but I forget now.

    That really improved the team? Been awhile. The Gagner trade made the team better relative to how it was with Spooner (took Gags 13 games to double the points Spoonsy got here in 25 games). Certainly wouldn’t say that was a real improvement, though.

  30. Oil2Oilers says:

    McDavid, as the night went on and he became frustrated, began to use a clutch and grab move with increasing frequency.

    The move, used by him on the back check in all three zones, involves skating up behind and attacking with the stick on the puck side – while reaching around on the back side grabbing the arm and giving a pull/twist. I one shift in the third period I watched him do it three times.

    A few games ago he was penalized for it. The move is used against him with incredible frequency so McDavid knows it effects. I do not like clutch and grab hockey and am not a fan of the move used on McDavid or by him. I wonder if McDavid is using as an in game gamesmanship with the Refs?

  31. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Oil2Oilers,

    Saw that too – think I recall the same shift and yes, it seemed to me that McDavid was attempting to provoke the officials. I love this kid. I do hope Edmonton turns it around soon.

  32. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    JimmyV1965,

    The Maroon trade actually did improve the team. He had chem with Connor, and pushed Lucic down the lineup.

    Aside from that… I’m thinking MPS for Perron.

  33. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Playoffs, she gone.

    All of the teams they need to catch are playing at least as well. Barring someone of than the Oiler’s huge collapse. A shame for Connor and Leon, my remaining hopes in the near future are scoring title for Connor and 50 for Leon, a top 2 pick or Byram. Gotta keep the dreams alive!

    My hopes post season are a killer GM, a classy forward thinking POHO that modernizes the org, and new pro scouts at least.

    There are a few young NHL wingers out there, teams that have cap issues. A couple of Ehlers, Kappanen, Dzingel would be a nice fit. A decent puck moving 2RD, UFA Stralman on a reasonable deal maybe if he shakes loose?

    The final piece for me is moving Lucic and Russell without Chiarelli’ing the team. To move to genius level also Manning and Gagner. Lots of cap then.

    I’m starting to wonder of the Koskinen deal wan’t a poison pill from a sour Pete. The contract fits his MO, but I still wonder given the writing was clearly on the wall. He’s probably a better person than that.

  34. Durag says:

    LMHF#1:
    People weren’t really surprised they got beat last night – right?

    That game was exactly the sort of game this squad loses. They are a bad, bad hockey team that has nothing approaching consistency in its DNA.

    Not surprised, but still annoyed. Yes, it has been proven time and time again that if you are willing to put in serious effort you will beat the Oilers 10 times out of 10. I don’t know how that lack of willingness to compete has survived through so much roster turnover.

    edit: Maybe we should start flying in water bottles from other cities?

  35. Durag says:

    Scungilli Slushy:

    My hopes post season are a killer GM, a classy forward thinking POHO that modernizes the org, and new pro scouts at least.

    Please, for your own sanity, accept the fact that Keith Gretzky will be the new GM, someone from the WHL will probably get added to the scouting staff and that will be it for front office changes.

  36. Andy Dufresne says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    McDavid, as the night went on and he became frustrated, began to use a clutch and grab move with increasing frequency.

    The move, used by him on the back check in all three zones, involves skating up behind and attacking with the stick on the puck side – while reaching around on the back side grabbing the arm and giving a pull/twist. I one shift in the third period I watched him do it three times.

    A few games ago he was penalized for it. The move is used against him with incredible frequency so McDavid knows it effects. I do not like clutch and grab hockey and am not a fan of the move used on McDavid or by him. I wonder if McDavid is using as an in game gamesmanship with the Refs?

    If you’re not cheatin you’re not trying.

    Fact:

    No team EVER won a Cup without a healthy amount of cheating. (and luck).

    #cheatsmart

  37. tileguy says:

    Durag: Yep, us tier-2 Oilers fans who don’t remember cups, but do remember being called tier-2 fans by the Oilers

    Still got about 10 years to wait before the remaining boomers are too busy looking for their keys, and the money has shifted to a new generation that dosen’t live and breathes sports. Katz will see the writing on the wall and will bail.

  38. russ99 says:

    Durag: Please, for your own sanity, accept the fact that Keith Gretzky will be the new GM, someone from the WHL will probably get added to the scouting staff and that will be it for front office changes.

    That’s unacceptable, that’s why.

    And for my sanity, I’m done following this team if it all ends up like this just so Lowe, MacT, Howson, et. al. can keep their phony baloney jobs.

    That would be a clear signal from ownership that it doesn’t value success on the ice so why should we waste our time and money thinking otherwise.

  39. Durag says:

    russ99: That’s unacceptable, that’s why.

    It is, but it’s better than being surprised when it happens. It is 100% on brand for this organization to see the interminable suffering of the most loyal, patient fans in the league and flip us the big double bird, Ricky style.

  40. Darth Tu says:

    I was there last night. With the exception of Benning and Sekera, the D were horrible to watch. Decision making was baffling at times, people pinching when they should stand off, or vice versa. Larsson had one of the worst games I’ve seen him play, Russell too. At this point I’d consider bumping Sekera-Benning up to second pairing (Yes, I’ve been down on Benning playing in that elevated role, but he’s playing well with Sek). Move Nurse down to 3rd and play him with Gravel on his offside, or Petrovic. Russell needs to sit for a bit, is he playing hurt?

    Lucic still looks hurt, he was not moving well at all (yes, I realise that someone is about to throw in a joke about him never moving well). I get we’re thin on the ground but he probably should have sat another game and came back in for Saturday.

    As a side note, one of the linesman did a better a job of breaking up plays than either the Oil or Devils D last night. Maybe give him a look in the summer? Honestly though, he kept getting in the way of either pucks or the play – I’ve never seen anything like it. Luckily he seemed to cause problems for both sides.

  41. JimmyV1965 says:

    Durag: Not surprised, but still annoyed. Yes, it has been proven time and time again that if you are willing to put in serious effort you will beat the Oilers 10 times out of 10. I don’t know how that lack of willingness to compete has survived through so much roster turnover.

    I honestly don’t think it’s effort level. If McDavid or Drai don’t light it up, this team is no better than the Devils. Sure they have a bunch of AHL players, but so do we. Our 4th leading goal scorer signed on a PTO. This team simply doesn’t have the horses outside a handful of players. JJ has 3 goals and 17 pts in 57 games and he’s one of our best forwards. If our goalie has a bad game, we simply don’t have the skill to overcome that, even against the worst teams in the league.

  42. Andy Dufresne says:

    Durag: edit: Maybe we should start flying in water bottles from other cities?

    Why Not! We/ve flown in pylons ( Manning ) deadwood (Spooner) and relics ( Gagner Lucic ), a Starters Pistol* ( Reider ) why stop now.

    * shoots blanks

  43. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne: That and the fact that the Cleveland Browns have completed thier rebuild and should win their division this year…….has got to be weighing on us on some subconscious level.

    They’ve been my team since the Brian Sipe days.The Kardiac Kids what a fun team to watch hook line and sinker me for life.

  44. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja: They’ve been my team since the Brian Sipe days.The Kardiac Kids what a fun team to watch hook line and sinker me for life.

    HMMM…..Oilers Browns…..

    Zoloft? Prozak? Celexa? 🙂

    Or, just a naturally optimistic human being!

  45. Oilin4 says:

    Just when I think I’m in they pull me back out.

  46. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Durag: Please, for your own sanity, accept the fact that Keith Gretzky will be the new GM, someone from the WHL will probably get added to the scouting staff and that will be it for front office changes.

    I prefer the Oilers to curb stomp, humiliate and befoul my eternally springing optimism for them, thank you sir!

  47. Durag says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Far be it for me to deny you the simple pleasures in life.

  48. dustrock says:

    Every single NHL team is going to have crap days at work during a long season.

    I’m having one in the office today.

    But the Oilers don’t have a good enough roster to be able to handle those crap days. There are teams who can grit their teeth and win ugly, but that hasn’t been this team, other than in 2016, for a long, long time.

    Bob says “there’s something in the water”. No there isn’t. We’ve had 2 very experienced veteran coaches who haven’t been able to suss it out.

    It’s just that they have a crap roster that can’t gut it out for the 25% of games they’re not up for.

  49. dustrock says:

    LT in my early days of ranking I think I have Turcotte (injuries aside) and Byram as a toss-up at #3.

    I get the attraction of Cozens and Dach as RH shots and they are no slouches but man, Turcotte has a Toews/Bergeron feel to him, and I am starting to wonder if Byram could be Doughty.

  50. Oilman99 says:

    giddy: That really improved the team? Been awhile. The Gagner trade made the team better relative to how it was with Spooner (took Gags 13 games to double the points Spoonsy got here in 25 games). Certainly wouldn’t say that was a real improvement, though.

    Gagner is a plug and play guy, Spooner was just a plug.

  51. Oilman99 says:

    JimmyV1965: I honestly don’t think it’s effort level. If McDavid or Drai don’t light it up, this team is no better than the Devils. Sure they have a bunch of AHL players, but so do we. Our 4th leading goal scorer signed on a PTO. This team simply doesn’t have the horses outside a handful of players. JJ has 3 goals and 17 pts in 57 games and he’s one of our best forwards. If our goalie has a bad game, we simply don’t have the skill to overcome that, even against the worst teams in the league.

    The inability of the defence to make a breakout pass is exposed every time they face a team that fore checks hard,and comes with speed.

  52. Oil2Oilers says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    Oil2Oilers,

    Saw that too – think I recall the same shift and yes, it seemed to me that McDavid was attempting to provoke the officials. I love this kid. I do hope Edmonton turns it around soon.

    I am glad that shift stood out to some else.

  53. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers always fail to turn up for games they’re supposed to turn up for.

    McDavid’s excuses won’t cut it after another failed season. Want to impress Hunter1909™ McDavid you’d better return to that kid shooting at the wall for the rest of the season or else you’re returning to training camp 1 for 3 as a playoff performer with zero reason to believe there’s any kind of major improvement coming next year, aside from rookies who, needing to be sheltered will be exposed…rinse and repeat it’s the Lowe+MacT Oilers gunning for another 10th place finish.

    Of course this is impossible, and everyone but the delusional knows it. These Gutless, Heartless Oilers continue to roll down their slippery path.

    ps: Did Lucic play? $6 million for leadership Lowe+MacT’s Oilers end up getting a basket case lol

  54. russ99 says:

    leadfarmer,

    leadfarmer:
    Why is Draisatl still with Mcdavid.
    Nuge can’t drive a line by himself.
    Split them up

    Except he can, look at the numbers.

    Nuge has lower 5×5 PPG with Connor, and Drai has lower 5×5 PPG without Connor.

    Nuge was putting up scoring centering a line much of the season with iffy wingers, Drai still cannot do that.

    Not to mention the defensive side with Nuge at wing, which I’ve expounded on enough already.

  55. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne: HMMM…..Oilers Browns…..

    Zoloft? Prozak? Celexa?

    Or, just a naturally optimistic human being!

    Watched the oilers knock off the Habs many a fathers team at the time. Win 5 cups 2 finals plus other playoff rounds and best of all beat the piss out of the flames on a gamely basis.The Browns have been tougher but they did go to the AFC championship 3 times during the Kosar era.who doesn’t like someone named Bernie. The hardest was being a Expos di-hard fan.

  56. texmex says:

    Oilman99,

    THIS!!!!!!!!!

    Yes we need wingers, but those wingers are useless if the D cannot get them the puck.

  57. BONE207 says:

    Oilin4:
    Just when I think I’m in they pull me back out.

    That sounds like the wet dream I had last night.😁

    Even the people in the know, expected a “burnt to a crisp” Devils team to show up. The Oilers brought the gas, unfortunately they poured it all over themselves. Dumpster fires are mesmerizing

  58. OmJo says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    I though Lucic fighting that kid was really stupid and felt the game was over when that happened. Why give them something to rally around? Am I too old school for thinking this? The Oilers were pressing and could have just kept up the pace, then the bottom fell out. New Jersey decided then that they might not win, but they would at least enjoy themselves while Edmonton gripped their sticks even tighter.

    Same thing happened against NYR, right? The fight kinda changed things, not in a good way.

  59. Material Elvis says:

    LT, it seems that Kirby Dach is starting to fall in some of the rankings. Sam Cosentino has him 9th on his latest draft ranking. He also makes a comment: “There’s some background noise surrounding this player..” but he doesn’t expand on that. Do you happen to know what he’s referring to? Is his scoring level high enough to warrant taking him in the top 5?

  60. OmJo says:

    russ99:
    leadfarmer,

    Except he can, look at the numbers.

    Nuge has lower 5×5 PPG with Connor, and Drai has lower 5×5 PPG without Connor.

    Nuge was putting up scoring centering a line much of the season with iffy wingers, Drai still cannot do that.

    Not to mention the defensive side with Nuge at wing, which I’ve expounded on enough already.

    Ehh… Drai did it when McDavid was sick and suspended.

  61. OmJo says:

    I think it was yesterday, McDavid said something along the lines of: the media and fans are against us, but we still haven’t given up yet.

    Do the Oilers see us as the enemy? Is somebody in the organization telling the players that the Tier 2 fans are the problem? Would the Oilers snoop that lowe?

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov season highlights courtesy of SPR – some ridiculous stretch passes, some bombs, some big hits, some offensive zone puck skills, some walking the line. Great stuff:

    https://youtu.be/AJNA4S4ZK74

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    Great write up by SPR on Maksimov

    I’m not sure that most Oiler fans realize that he is more than a shooter – he’s aggresive and physical and a solid 2-way player that is a plus penalty killer. Nice that SPR mentions his high work ethic as that is not something I knew about.

    http://theoilknight.ca/2019/03/13/kirill-maksimov-prospect-review/

    Kirill Maksimov was drafted in the 5th round in 2017 by the Edmonton Oilers. At the time, he was viewed as a longshot prospect to even get close to the NHL. He possessed an elite shot in flashes, but was considered slow afoot & incredible raw. However, he showed enough in the second half of his draft year after getting traded to Niagara, that Edmonton took a chance on him. 2 years later, the Oilers and Oilers fans could not be happier with the progress he’s made. He went from 21 goals to 34, to 40+ goals this season. Every aspect of his game has improved, as has his stock within the Oilers organization.

    Strengths

    Maksimov is a shooter & scorer plain and simple. His slapshot, wrist shot and one-timer are all elite. NHL caliber release, deadly & accurate. He has that rare scoring ability where he can literally shoot and score from anywhere. That translates well to any league in the world. But, that’s not all he does well.

    Maksimov plays a pro style game. He is aggressive on the forecheck, and is defensively responsible. He also displays great vision and poise on the ice. His head is always up, and he has a knack for finding the open man. Very underrated passer. He does a great job of changing angles for shots, and getting himself in the right position to make a play. He has great offensive instincts, he just seems to always be at the right place at the right time. Smart, heady player who makes it look too easy at times. He looks like a pro.

    Maksimov’s work ethic might be his most exciting trait. He hustles back hard on the backcheck, he battles hard along the boards, and works hard for 2nd and 3rd chances. If he gets hit, he hits back. When he’s on the penalty kill, he will sacrifice his body to make a play if he has to. He’s always pushing himself & challenging himself to get better. Plays with great determination. It’s why up to this point in his career, he has outperformed his draft position. He works hard.

    Maksimov’s skating was the big knock on him when he was drafted, and he has improved that dramatically since his draft year. Edmonton Oilers skating coach David Pelletier has worked with him several times to make him more powerful in his strides and it shows. So much so that Pelletier “came back raving how well he soaked it in“. He’s now much stronger on his skates, and it has allowed him to develop into more of a power forward who goes hard to the net. He continues to work on it too, even with no one from the Oilers there watching. Something I have noticed in person in the past. Before the game and during commercial breaks, he skates by himself pushing the pace & skating hard. Very encouraging sign.

    Throughout his career in Niagara, Maksimov was a huge Powerplay threat, but also became a very effective penalty killer. When the Ice Dogs acquired more offensive firepower, Maksimov volunteered to help out a struggling penalty kill. It affected his offensive numbers a bit but helped him become more of a complete player. He was a leader for his team and well respected among his teammates. He has the elite skill that will get him to the NHL, but also the intangibles that will help keep him there eventually. Here’s his highlights from this past season:

    Weaknesses

    Like any prospect, Maksimov also has areas he can improve on as he turns pro and continues to work on his game.

    While his skating and top speed are certainly acceptable now he could definitely benefit from more explosiveness. Specifically, his first few steps could be better & will likely be an area of focus as he turns pro. His top end speed is good now, just the acceleration should continue to get better. Not a weakness anymore but certainly an area of opportunity to get even better. His agility is somewhat limited being a tall player with long legs. He has more of that powerful stride north-south who compensates with his lack of agility by coasting east-west in and out of lanes. Much like Leon Draisaitl & many other bigger players.

    While Maksimov likes to play a physical game, it can at times lead to some undisciplined penalties. He was suspended on a couple separate occasions for slew-footing and hitting from behind. He also finished 2nd in the OHL in PIMS this year with 118. I personally like the chippiness in his game but admittedly he needs to cut down on the retaliatory penalties and can be guilty of being over-aggressive at times. Easily correctable.

    Projection

    There’s no doubt Maksimov is ready to turn pro. He plays a complete game and in all situations. Despite his offensive success in the OHL, I still think he needs at least a year in the AHL to work on his overall strength & skating. In terms of his role, he’s definitely more of a complimentary winger than a driver. A player who can start the play but ultimately finds himself in the right spot to finish it. He loves to shoot and score; something that is sorely lacking in the Edmonton organization. But, because he is a good 200 ft player who can play a variety of roles, it’s possible he starts out as a bottom 6 forward who eventually works himself up the lineup. I just wouldn’t bank on that until 2020 at the earliest.

    As far as NHL comps go, I’ve struggled for awhile to find a good comparison. I mean, stylistically there’s no player he looks like more than Draisaitl in my opinion. Just how he carries himself on the ice, the way he skates, finds open ice, sets up his teammates, reads the play, all remind me of Draisaitl. The way Leon is shooting the puck right now too it is reminiscent of Maksi. However, it’s tough to project Kirill to that offensive level right now so in terms of offensive production and impact, I see Nino Niederreiter as a good comparison. They’re not the same player but similar in that they both are big bodies who can really shoot the puck, and thrive on playing with talented playmakers. I see Makismov as a Top 6 forward in the NHL eventually, and playing at LW where he can show off that incredible one-timer. When that happens is still to be determined, but there is no doubt in my mind the sky’s the limit for this kid. Not bad for a 5th round pick.

  64. Reja says:

    tileguy: Still got about 10 years to wait before the remaining boomers are too busy looking for their keys, and the money has shifted to a new generation that dosen’t live and breathes sports. Katz will see the writing on the wall and will bail.

    You might not think so but you’ll get old one day you young Whippersnapper.I didn’t see any shortage of young people standing in line for hours waiting to get a Connor or other Oiler autograph as seen on the news. I didn’t spot to many bald pot-bellied 60 year old men in line maybe you would know better than me if you were present.

  65. 106 and 106 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Wow. He sounds awesome. Great add to the Bake for next year.

  66. fishman says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Wow sounds like a great prospect. Oilers could use a few players with that skill set right now. Hopefully Woodcroft returns to Bakersfield next year as it appears as if he has made a real impact there. Been a LONG time since we have had this many prospects to look forward to. The big club desperately in need of skilled wingers along with that elusive 2RD and perhaps a GOALIE#$%%$#!. Guessing we are still at least another season or two from seeing a real impact from Bakersfield although hoping at least one D can crack the lineup next year (Jones, Laggeson?)

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    https://www.nhl.com/news/ahl-notebook-western-conference-loaded-with-talented-goalies/c-305715482

    Shane Starrett — Bakersfield (Edmonton Oilers)

    In a league full of heralded young prospects, Starrett has taken a much more low-key path, but his play continues to shine for a team that has emerged as a Calder Cup contender in the second half.

    The Oilers signed the undrafted Starrett (6-foot-5, 181 pounds) on April 10, 2017 after two strong seasons at the Air Force Academy (NCAA). The 24-year-old needed a season in the ECHL with

    Wichita in 2017-18 but has claimed the top job with Bakersfield. Paired with rookie Stuart Skinner, a third-round pick (No. 78) by Edmonton in the 2017 NHL Draft, Starrett has started 18 of the past 22 games since Bakersfield’s midseason turnaround.

    Starrett, 23-4-3 in 33 games, is in a second-place tie in save percentage (.922) to go with his league-best 2.21 goals-against average.

    Bakersfield won 17 consecutive games from Jan. 12 to March 1, the second-longest streak in AHL history, and Starrett earned 14 of those victories. The run took the Condors from fifth place in the Pacific Division to a seven-point division lead at 36-17-2-1. Bakersfield is fourth in the Western Conference with 75 points.

  68. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    SJS 24
    CGY 23
    VGK 11

    Central
    WPG 15
    NSH 12
    STL 10

    Wildcard
    DAL 8
    ARI 5

    Out of playoffs
    MIN 4
    COL 2
    CHI 1
    EDM -1
    VAN -3
    ANA -6
    LAK -11

    Wildcard Relevant games today:

    DAL at MIN (MIN -120)
    ANA at ARI (ARI -145)

  69. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Eastern Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Atlantic
    TBY 40
    BOS 23
    TOR 19

    Metropolitan
    WSH 19
    NYI 18
    PIT 15

    Wildcard
    CAR 14
    MTL 11

    Out of playoffs
    CBJ 11
    PHI 7
    FLA 3
    BUF 0
    NYR -1
    NJD -10
    DET -12
    OTT -18

    Wildcard Relevant games today:

    PIT at BUF (PIT -170)
    MTL at NYI (NYI -130)
    WSH at PHI (WSH -130)

  70. Pouzar says:

    Reja: They’ve been my team since the Brian Sipe days.The Kardiac Kids what a fun team to watch hook line and sinker me for life.

    I’m a Steelers fan but love Baker Mayfield. Cowherd going to eat some crow for a long time.

  71. Lowetide says:

    dustrock:
    LT in my early days of ranking I think I have Turcotte (injuries aside) and Byram as a toss-up at #3.

    I get the attraction of Cozens and Dach as RH shots and they are no slouches but man, Turcotte has a Toews/Bergeron feel to him, and I am starting to wonder if Byram could be Doughty.

    Byram gets punished because my system stops everything and says “oh yeah, what if he doesn’t get PP time in the NHL?” and of course Turcotte’s injury made it difficult. So, agree on both, my list is addicted to math, silly thing. Still a ways to go.

  72. ArmchairGM says:

    dustrock:
    Nice read by Pronman on Kaliyev.

    https://theathletic.com/863946/2019/03/14/pronman-whos-the-most-divisive-prospect-in-this-years-nhl-draft-meet-arthur-kaliyev/

    So… he’s the Evan Bouchard of forwards? Should fit right in here.

  73. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Durag:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Far be it for me to deny you the simple pleasures in life.

    Thank you, it is the Oiler’s honour!

  74. jtblack says:

    Lowetide: Byram gets punished because my system stops everything and says “oh yeah, what if he doesn’t get PP time in the NHL?” and of course Turcotte’s injury made it difficult. So, agree on both, my list is addicted to math, silly thing. Still a ways to go.

    No WHL D man has more than 10 ES Goals. Byram has 17. Many are in OT for sure, but he has scored very well at ES. Just my 2 cents, as I love this player !

  75. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    fishman,

    – it’s promising that a bunch of D have had a year to play a lot of minutes in the A.

    – That’s also helped the marody benson and Kailer when (he’s been healthy)

    – If next year we can have some of these forwards come up for their first year (macleod, Maksi etc) play with a Bouchard persson and some more of the D that are still developing and blocked that’s great development: talented D playing with promising F’s against appropriate competition

    – I still don’t get a sense for what the Oil could be next year but I hope they don’t slot in these kids In The bigs to fail hoping they are ready

    – I could live with another year of Rattie and Chiasson reider gagner and free agent punters being below replacement level rather than getting blown away in preseason by how fast Bouchard is or how hard maski tries and hoping they are the solution next year.

    – Sell me a plan like a year of growth and a few moves that don’t sell the farm and I’d be ok with that next year. Then hype up our starting roster hope for some luck and a healthy Klefbom sek larsson and we are a playoff team.

    – And one of lucic or russel goes to Seattle and maybe they bargain one buyout per team like last time and we are good to go.

    – I’d get behind that picture with a renewed smart management structure. We never were pitched a plan with Coach and Chia and Bob:

  76. tileguy says:

    Reja: You might not think so but you’ll get old one day you young Whippersnapper.I didn’t see any shortage of young peoplestanding in line for hours waiting to get a Connor or other Oiler autograph as seenon the news. I didn’t spot to many bald pot-bellied 60 year old men in line maybe you would know better than me if you were present.

    Moms and dads with their kids at a free event. The balding money boys are still at work as they have not developed any hobbies except watching sports. My point in this was to Durag and all he knowes is being called a tier 2 and being pissed on by OEM. The next generation will not be so willing to shell out thousands of dollars like boomers do because of this treatment.

  77. Reja says:

    Pouzar: I’m a Steelers fan but love Baker Mayfield. Cowherd going to eat some crow for a long time.

    I loved The Herd I could listen to it all day my favorite was Dino Costa when he was on Sirius radio. He sure could push the snowflakes buttons until he got shit canned.

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy:

    There are a few young NHL wingers out there, teams that have cap issues. A couple of Ehlers, Kappanen, Dzingel would be a nice fit. A decent puck moving 2RD, UFA Stralman on a reasonable deal maybe if he shakes loose?

    I’m with you on the stop gap 2RD and Stralman as a target (although I don’t imagine he signs in Edmonton without an overpay on term which is not an option). Of course, a clean Russell disposition is required in order to acquire an upgrade.

    My “issue” with your statement above is that, while its correct, there will be some low hanging fruit from teams with cap issues, the Oilers are also a team with a cap issue and really aren’t set up to take advantage. No, the Oilers won’t need to dispose of players they would rather keep in order to sign incumbents but they also don’t have the $$$ to improve externally.

  79. PinkSocks says:

    Watched the DVR this afternoon of the game from last night… a few fresh notes:

    A) 97 and 29 cannot play on the same line. The moment Hitch made this change over the weekend was the exact moment which the team went from having 2 lines that could score to a team with a single line that can score. Nuge is a dandy, but he simply can’t click often enough with bottom 6 wingers.

    93-97-44
    16-29-39

    B) Kris Russell has not played a good hockey game in months. He is the goat on a goal or two literally every single game.

    C) Worst game from Larsson I have seen; however, I have little doubt he will bounce back Saturday.

    D) If there is not a direct order from the front office to Hitch to get Stolarz in enough games to make him an RFA rather than a UFA it is another example of horrific asset management by this organization. Last night’s 27 minutes didn’t count as a game.

    E) I disagree with McDavid. It isn’t the effort level. Watching the team; there aren’t any players taking the night off. Brodziak had a few about a month ago but recently he has been much better. They all are digging deep; the problem is that the team from the 5th best to the 12th best forward is shitty, and the team is not being deployed properly.

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: Gagner is a plug and play guy, Spooner was just a plug.

    1.79 P/60 at 5 on 5 is a nice plug and play though – most common linemate, Nugent-Hopkins.

  81. Andy Dufresne says:

    OmJo: Do the Oilers see us as the enemy?

    If they view this site they do.

    “We have met the enemy and they are ours”

  82. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m with you on the stop gap 2RD and Stralman as a target (although I don’t imagine he signs in Edmonton without an overpay on term which is not an option). Of course, a clean Russell disposition is required in order to acquire an upgrade.

    My “issue” with your statement above is that, while its correct, there will be some low hanging fruit from teams with cap issues, the Oilers are also a team with a cap issue and really aren’t set up to take advantage.No, the Oilers won’t need to dispose of players they would rather keep in order to sign incumbents but they also don’t have the $$$ to improve externally.

    It’s all on the new GM. I believe it is possible to move Lucic, Russell, maybe even Gagner. Teams do this every season, just not ours.

    Chiarelli didn’t seem to cast his net very wide, and loved one for ones. Those 3 players have value in some way. If you expect nothing back and minimize retentions why not?

    Asking for a decent return is the deal killer IMO. Clear cap. Each of those players on different teams can make a contribution, just can’t have all 3 on one team.

    Manning is dead cap, trading him would be Satheresque. But it’s not that bad at his salary, survivable.

    With 2 offensive wingers (assuming they don’t use the farm for that) the next coach at home could use Nuge with Leon to face toughs freeing Connor. On the road Nuge could play with Connor to support him against toughs.

    The troubles aren’t really that deep, it’s just the managers involved that make everything normal seem like a pipe dream. Move a couple guys along, get a bit more talent and speed.

    I remain hopeful at this point even if deluded. It’s a happy place in small doses, delusion is.

  83. Andy Dufresne says:

    hunter1909: Oilers always fail to turn up for games they’re supposed to turn up for.

    THey still believe they are as good as thier best victory….

    When they mature to the point that they realize that they are only as good as thier worst loss, they will have turned a corner.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    PinkSocks:

    D) If there is not a direct order from the front office to Hitch to get Stolarz in enough games to make him an RFA rather than a UFA it is another example of horrific asset management by this organization.Last night’s 27 minutes didn’t count as a game.

    The organization has already stated that they are going to be running with Koskinen down the stretch and that they aren’t concerned about keeping Stolarz from being a Group IV.

    Its clear that Stolarz was not a material part of the Talbot disposition except for the fact that getting a goalie back was a must so that the team had a back-up for the rest of the season. The disposition was 100% about cap space for the Sekera activation (and other more minor moves – for example, the current 24 man roster increasing cap).

    Originally, I was all about Stolarz and finding out what we have with him but, the more I have thought about it, its more important that we see what Koskinen can do in the last 30 games with a true starter’s workload. He is going to be hear and he is going to start opening night.

    Its unfortunate that the organization committed to him, for three years, while still not having enough information to truly know what he can bring but, that’s where we are and its important to gather as much info as possible down the stretch in order to make a determination of what type of back-up goalie needs to be acquired.

    To me, its clear that we need a more established back-up, with starters’ experience, as Koskinen has not proven to be able to sustain consistency or incur a heavy workload. We need a back-up that can play 30 games and even take over the starters role if required. Someone like Brian Elliot comes to mind for me as he is likely to come in below $2.5M.

    Stolarz will be a UFA and I don’t think we can have him as the primary back-up next year – not with him being non-established and Koskinen, well, the same.

  85. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    PinkSocks,

    – Sitting on beach 2nd last day here in Miami. A nice week away with Kids – kite flying boats beach tennis biking : what’s not to like! Catching up on things

    -I guess I’m out of it. That fight with Lucic I just say it’s just not at all appealing on any level to me. I saw both teams on their feet tapping there sticks along the boards. The code is alive and well

    – Just my opinion but I’m glad they are less and less common. Adds nothing. And Lucic looked old and not effective and happy to have it over with. Even the ref gives him a tap telling him he’s done

  86. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    SJS 24
    CGY 23
    VGK 11

    Central
    WPG 15
    NSH 12
    STL 10

    Wildcard
    DAL 8
    ARI 5

    Out of playoffs
    MIN 4
    COL 2
    CHI 1
    EDM -1
    VAN -3
    ANA -6
    LAK -11

    Wildcard Relevant games today:

    DAL at MIN (MIN -120)
    ANA at ARI (ARI -145)

    Don’t shoot me BUT

    Go Dallas. Go Anaheim.

  87. Professor Q says:

    Reja: They’ve been my team since the Brian Sipe days.The Kardiac Kids what a fun team to watch hook line and sinker me for life.

    It’s always fun to find a fellow Oilers and Browns fan, especially in here (I didn’t get the benefit of watching the 1970s-1980s versions of either team, however). I am definitely excited about this year!

    Too bad they couldn’t get Earl Thomas (damned Ravens…) or Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, as well.

  88. Reja says:

    Just watched Happy Gilmore haven’t watched it in 20 years forgot about the Oilers silks several times in the first 10 minutes if we’re gonna go Dumster Diving for wingers in the offseason and if he still has that Booming shot he might be worth a look on PTO lol. I predict one of lefty D will be traded for a winger.

  89. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    PinkSocks,

    – Sitting on beach 2nd last day here in Miami. A nice week away with Kids – kite flying boats beach tennis biking : what’s not to like!Catching up on things

    -I guess I’m out of it. That fight with Lucic I just say it’s just not at all appealing on any level to me. I saw both teams on their feet tapping there sticks along the boards. The code is alive and well

    – Just my opinion but I’m glad they are less and less common. Adds nothing.And Lucic looked old and not effective and happy to have it over with. Even the ref gives him a tap telling him he’s done

    Lucic picked the dumbest time to have a fight. It gave New Jersey something to rally around. A extremely selfish move on Lucic’s part.

  90. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    This version of the Oilers are taking a hell of a long walk past the Islanders’ dressing room.

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: It’s all on the new GM. I believe it is possible to move Lucic, Russell, maybe even Gagner. Teams do this every season, just not ours.

    Chiarelli didn’t seem to cast his net very wide, and loved one for ones. Those 3 players have value in some way. If you expect nothing back and minimize retentions why not?

    Asking for a decent return is the deal killer IMO. Clear cap. Each of those players on different teams can make a contribution, just can’t have all 3 on one team.

    Manning is dead cap, trading him would be Satheresque. But it’s not that bad at his salary, survivable.

    I remain hopeful at this point even if deluded. It’s a happy place in small doses, delusion is.

    With respect to Russell and Lucic, absolutely, clearing the cap is what matters and no return is just fine. I think this can be done with Russell, maybe a little bit of retainment, especially with expansion delayed by the year so his NMC is a non-issue.

    Lucic, of course, is an entirely different animal but, yes, I would think that , with $3M retainmnet, he could be disposed of – NO SWEETENER!

    Gagner – I’m a bit torn on as I do think that he could put up 40 points (give or take) on this team next year which is value for $3.15M. Could the money be better spend though? Maybe.

    Yaremchuk had an interesting idea on Gagner a little bit ago – maybe trade him to a team like Ottawa (give up a 4th and take back a 6th) and get Ottawa to buy him out and then sign him on the cheap.

  92. Zelepukin says:

    godot10: Lucic picked the dumbest time to have a fight.It gave New Jersey something to rally around.A extremely selfish move on Lucic’s part.

    Did he even instigate it? Felt like he was getting chirped from the start of the shift and supposedly the kid even thanked him while in the box.

  93. Fiveinatrailer says:

    Oilin4:
    Just when I think I’m in they pull me back out.

    Wins the internet for the day

  94. SwedishPoster says:

    dustrock:
    Nice read by Pronman on Kaliyev.

    https://theathletic.com/863946/2019/03/14/pronman-whos-the-most-divisive-prospect-in-this-years-nhl-draft-meet-arthur-kaliyev/

    I haven’t looked into the draft outside the swedes and some selected euros yet but from that article and clips I’m intrigued with Kaliyev. Hockey smarts, hands, finish and vision are pretty much the most difficult to improve upon. I also liked from the clips that he went to the dangerous ice, through traffic, this is something I really liked when I saw clips with Drai in his draft year because that’s where you put up points consistently at the NHL level.
    From the clips his skating is more lumbering than bad, kind of like Drai again where it looked worse than it actually was, imo put some manstrength on those legs and his skating will be fine at the NHL level.
    Effort and defensive play are usually pretty hard to translate between junior and pro hockey, it’s one thing if there are clear issues with a kid being difficult and not listening to coaches, not understanding instructions but from the sound of it this is not an issue.
    Imo effort and playing “the right way” in juniors are two of the biggest reason scouts overrate prospects as it can make limited players look better than they are, combine this with early physical maturity and you’ll find a lot of wasted first rounders, hello Griffin Reinhart.

    I think I’m with LT here. Hard to see why Kaliyev is not a top pick.

  95. Reja says:

    Professor Q: It’s always fun to find a fellow Oilers and Browns fan, especially in here (I didn’t get the benefit of watching the 1970s-1980s versions of either team, however). I am definitely excited about this year!

    Too bad they couldn’t get Earl Thomas (damned Ravens…) or Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, as well.

    Thomas sure would of been nice they’ll be fun to watch this year they have the team for a long playoff run.The Dawg Pound,The kardiac Kids can’t think of any two sports handles that are better maybe The French Connection in Buffalo ( loved that movie). You know your fans are passionate and crazy when they litter the field with plastic beer bottles and the refs after some of the worst play calling ever are running like Gazelles to get off the field before being maimed or worse.

  96. deardylan says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    LET THE GAMES BEGIN !!!

    Lose for Hughes!

    Play Crappo for Kakko!

    Loose a Dozen for Cozens!

    WIn the Losing Derby for Kirby (Dach)!

    Play Willie Nillie for Vasili !

    Embrace the Rot for Turcotte !

    Shit the Bed for Peyton Krebs!

    Keep this Losin Streak Goin so We Can Draft Bowen !

    Lose Forever so we can draft Trevor !

    Take this Winning no Farther so we can draft Arthur !

    There…..LT’s complete top 10.

    Brilliant!

  97. SwedishPoster says:

    What I came here to say was that the SHL regular season ended today. Filip Berglund was second in toi on his team’s blue line and was +1 in a 3-2 win to secure a quarterfinal spot against Djurgården, Lagesson’s former team and trade throw in guy who never really was an NHL level prospect even back when he was drafted Robin Norell’s current team. Should be a good matchup and Berglund has come along the last few weeks after a slump through the middle of the season. Hopefully he can find his game from last years playoffs where he was excellent, one of the top playoff performers of the year.

    Joel Persson didn’t play due to injury, his team lost and dropped into 7th place in the table which means instead of going straight to the quarterfinals they play a silly construct called PlayIn which is a 3 game series against the 10th placed team. The winner then moves on to play the 1st or 2nd placed team in the quarterfinal. If Växjö wins they’ll play the 2nd placed Luleå with 2018 draftees Isac Lundeström and Nils Lundkvist on the team. If they lose Joel could be available for the Oilers or Condors I think. I mean he could take a shot at the World Championship team but with all the quality NHL D bound to shake lose he won’t stand a chance anyway.

  98. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    You can’t buy out a player and re-sign him. You need someone else to buy him out so you can re-sign him like Caps Avs with Orpik
    Maybe after the exodus in Cbus this offseason we can send a mid round pick and some low retention

  99. ArmchairGM says:

    SwedishPoster: I haven’t looked into the draft outside the swedes and some selected euros yet but from that article and clips I’m intrigued with Kaliyev. Hockey smarts, hands, finish and vision are pretty much the most difficult to improve upon. I also liked from the clips that he went to the dangerous ice, through traffic, this is something I really liked when I saw clips with Drai in his draft year because that’s where you put up points consistently at the NHL level.
    From the clips his skating is more lumbering than bad, kind of like Drai again where it looked worse than it actually was, imo put some manstrength on those legs and his skating will be fine at the NHL level.
    Effort and defensive play are usually pretty hard to translate between junior and pro hockey, it’s one thing if there are clear issues with a kid being difficult and not listening to coaches, not understanding instructions but from the sound of it this is not an issue.
    Imo effort and playing “the right way” in juniors are two of the biggest reason scouts overrate prospects as it can make limited players look better than they are, combine this with early physical maturity and you’ll find a lot of wasted first rounders, hello Griffin Reinhart.

    I think I’m with LT here. Hard to see why Kaliyev is not a top pick.

    If Pronman is right with his 8-15 prognosis, that’ll likely be right in the Oilers wheelhouse.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    You can’t buy out a player and re-sign him.You need someone else to buy him out so you can re-sign him like Caps Avs with Orpik
    Maybe after the exodus in Cbus this offseason we can send a mid round pick and some low retention

    That’s what the suggestion was – trade him to Ottawa and have them buy him out – if they truly do need help getting to the cap floor (which is rare) then a small sweetener (swap 4th and 6th rounders or something) should suffice.

  101. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: That’s what the suggestion was – trade him to Ottawa and have them buy him out – if they truly do need help getting to the cap floor (which is rare) then a small sweetener (swap 4th and 6th rounders or something) should suffice.

    Where they’ll pass on him for “reasons” and then CHI snaps him up

  102. Glovjuice says:

    hunter1909:
    Oilers always fail to turn up for games they’re supposed to turn up for.

    McDavid’s excuses won’t cut it after another failed season. Want to impress Hunter1909™ McDavid you’d better return to that kid shooting at the wall for the rest of the season or else you’re returning to training camp 1 for 3 as a playoff performer with zero reason to believe there’s any kind of major improvement coming next year, aside from rookies who, needing to be sheltered will be exposed…rinse and repeat it’s the Lowe+MacT Oilers gunning for another 10th place finish.

    Of course this is impossible, and everyone but the delusional knows it. These Gutless, Heartless Oilers continue to roll down their slippery path.

    ps: Did Lucic play? $6 million for leadership Lowe+MacT’s Oilers end upgetting a basket case lol

    This post rules. Oilers are fucked. Totally fucked. And, Yamo will bust. But, Samorikov will be a top pairing D.

  103. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If Gagner could be used for strong side faceoffs his place on the team would be a lot more secure. I like him better than Rattie Chiasson Cagguila etc because he’s far more skilled, but I’d much prefer a younger faster player if possible, given none of the above are very solid defensively.

    I think speed is critical more than ever because checking is so tight, being able to create separation is key to being dangerous and putting pressure on the D, or being able to puck protect like Drai, which most can’t or don’t have the size for.

    But if skilled is the goal Gagner playing as he has at his salary isn’t too bad. Work on those faceoffs Sam.

  104. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Hey OP

    Any read on Marody’s faceoffs?

  105. Reja says:

    Glovjuice: This post rules. Oilers are fucked. Totally fucked. And, Yamo will bust. But, Samorikov will be a top pairing D.

    If Jessie doesn’t start figuring it out and if we don’t trade a left handed D our only real commodity league wise for a scoring winger Benson and Yamo will be gifted top 6-9 next year.

  106. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Reja: If Jessie doesn’t start figuring it out and if we don’t trade a left handed D our only real commodity league wise for a scoring winger Benson and Yamo will be gifted top 6-9 next year.

    As with everything Oilers it’s clear as mud. Could he not play at his level because hips? Did they know before about hips? Did they suggest dealing with it ASAP? Did he refuse? Did they not care as history suggests- walk it off son be a man.

    Please let it stop.

  107. SVR says:

    “We took them lightly, took the game for granted. I don’t think we came to work”

    How the fuck does this happen to professional athletes that are supposed to be fighting for their play off lives?

    I understand you won’t have your best game every single night, but take them lightly? Take the game for granted? Don’t come to work?

    WTF is wrong with these guys?

  108. Reja says:

    Scungilli Slushy: As with everything Oilers it’s clear as mud. Could he not play at his level because hips? Did they know before about hips? Did they suggest dealing with it ASAP? Did he refuse? Did they not care as history suggests- walk it off son be a man.

    Please let it stop.

    When a Finn doesn’t take a sure fire ready to play Finn alarm bells went off.Jesse’s shown glimpses of being a power forward he’s a big happy goofy kid what’s not to like.Wanted Tkachuk at that spot when Van passed on him l knew we were effed. Watched his dad his whole career so he had the blood lines and seen enough of him in junior to know he’s a prick ( competitive) reminded me of Ryan Smith around the net with a bit of Ken linesman in him.

  109. Reja says:

    Fun fact. Gustafsson and Petry 138 gp 91pts.

    Nurse-kelfbom-Larsson-Benning-Russell-Gravel
    Sekera-Petrovic-Manning-Garrison-Bouchard
    Wideman-Jones 421gp 117pts

  110. SVR says:

    Also,

    Newsflash Oiler players, you play for a team that has been right up there with the worst teams in the history of the league! There is no team in the NHL that you take for granted! No teams that you don’t need your best effort against! In fact,you should be hoping that other teams take you lightly and don’t come to work! Might give you a chance as you are the under dog in every game you play!

    How can a team that has been this bad for this long ever get complacent? Let alone when they are six points out, with thirteen games to play! Fuck!

    Ok, I feel better now

  111. digger50 says:

    Did Rieder get his NHL record last night?

  112. oilersfan says:

    Does Anybody know if there is an NHLE for CIS hockey In canada?

    If the Golden bears played a good ncaa team like North Dakota or Denver how would they do?

  113. hunter1909 says:

    Reja: Wanted Tkachuk at that spot when Van passed on him l knew we were effed. Watched his dad his whole career so he had the blood lines and seen enough of him in junior to know he’s a prick ( competitive) reminded me of Ryan Smith around the net with a bit of Ken linesman in him.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Lowe+MacT didn’t like to play with Marty McSorely type players, preferring straight out grinders which Tkachuk clearly isn’t and now Calgary have the archetypical Type A player that Oilers used to routinely discover – namely multi talented types who can agitate then score NHL goals.

    Oilers, the biggest redneck NHL team imaginable then draft yet another European enigma that they can’t fathom. They’re idiots.

  114. Bank Shot says:

    oilersfan:
    Does Anybody know if there is an NHLE for CIS hockey In canada?

    If the Golden bears played a good ncaa team like North Dakota or Denver how would they do?

    Keep in mind the Golden Bears are substantially older than the NCAA players. More guys in the 23-24 age range.

    I think they would do pretty well thought.

  115. Glovjuice says:

    Obviously it’s a big if, but if Crosby played close to a full season in each of his first nine years in the league he would have had NINE (yes, nine) straight 100 point seasons to start his career and none of the points per game rates were in doubt at all. Amazing. I would say he is 5 after Wayne, Mario, Orr, and Howe. Isn’t Sid better than Jagr or Messier when you really think about it for example? Or many others that are the default picks in the top 10 like say Richard. Sid is better than Lafleur or Espo also. Bure – SIds better. Lidstrom, SIds better. hasek, Roy ? Tough to compare here of course.

  116. Wilde says:

    SVR:
    “We took them lightly, took the game for granted. I don’t think we came to work”

    How the fuck does this happen to professional athletes that are supposed to be fighting for their play off lives?

    I understand you won’t have your best game every single night, but take them lightly? Take the game for granted? Don’t come to work?

    WTF is wrong with these guys?

    Nothing. The media and fanbase gets what it asks for when it comes to post-loss remarks from the players.

    None of what McDavid said is true, because there’s no utility in telling the truth. Quite the opposite.

    Outscoring four soft GA would be difficult for a good NHL team.

    Reja: When a Finn doesn’t take a sure fire ready to play Finn alarm bells went off.

    I hope they trade him for a 7th

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Any read on Marody’s faceoffs?

    I do know he’s trusted enough to play as solo centre on his line since Currie’s been gone, but on the other hand faceoffs and faceoffs

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I’m waiting for someone to shitpost about the Arizona over play, any day now I suspect

  117. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde: Nothing. The media and fanbase gets what it asks for when it comes to post-loss remarks from the players.

    None of what McDavid said is true, because there’s no utility in telling the truth. Quite the opposite.

    Outscoring four soft GA would be difficult for a good NHL team.

    I hope they trade him for a 7th

    I do know he’s trusted enough to play as solo centre on his line since Currie’s been gone, but on the other hand faceoffs and faceoffs

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I’m waiting for someone to shitpost about the Arizona over play, any day now I suspect

    Agree totally about the post-game comments. They’re absolutely worthless. Trite, meaningless sayings. Frankly I would be happy if all post-game shows simply stopped doing player interviews. All they are is space fillers.

  118. Reja says:

    hunter1909: I wouldn’t be surprised if Lowe+MacT didn’t like to play with Marty McSorely type players, preferring straight out grinders which Tkachuk clearly isn’t and now Calgary have the archetypical Type A player that Oilers used to routinely discover – namely multi talented types who can agitate then score NHL goals.

    Oilers, the biggest redneck NHL team imaginable then draft yet another European enigma that they can’t fathom. They’re idiots.

    What I remember they straight out said they weren’t taking him and it sure looked from the body language there was a bold big trade in the works until Jessie fell into their lap.i really think they liked Tkachuk deep down but they gambled and lost on every so called coke machine pick in the recent years and the flak they took for it they were gun shy of picking Tkachuk. In other words “Damn you can’t win for losing.”

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: When a Finn doesn’t take a sure fire ready to play Finn alarm bells went off.Jesse’s shown glimpses of being a power forward he’s a big happy goofy kid what’s not to like.Wanted Tkachuk at that spot when Van passed on him l knew we were effed. Watched his dad his whole career so he had the blood lines and seenenough of him in junior to know he’s a prick ( competitive) reminded me of Ryan Smith around the net with a bit of Ken linesman in him.

    He wasn’t “sure fire ready to play” though, was he?

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    Erik Gustafsson established himself as an NHLer in his draft plus 6 year and has “broken out” in his draft plus 7 year – Are Oiler fans really. Up an till 2018, no Oiler fan had mentioned this guy’s name in 3-4 year but now he’s brought up daily.

  121. Reja says:

    JimmyV1965: Agree totally about the post-game comments. They’re absolutely worthless. Trite, meaningless sayings. Frankly I would be happy if all post-game shows simply stopped doing player interviews. All they aren’t is space fillers.

    Yea I don’t watch them same stupid questions same lame answers any misword splattered all over social media. It would be enjoying to watch somebody tee off like Phil Esposito, Pronger was hilarious in philly the old Torts was great the culture nowadays has sure stifled those days.

  122. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: He wasn’t “sure fire ready to play” though, was he?

    He did when he was on that fantastic world Junior team so did Laine and Oho

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    but he wasn’t ready to play in the NHL – lots of players star in the World Juniors that aren’t ready to play in the NHL. In fact, most of the Canadian World Junior team is made up of drafted players that were sent back to junior – not in the NHL in their draft plus 1 years.

  124. OmJo says:

    Reja: He did when he was on that fantastic world Junior team so did Laine and Oho

    Ehhh…. part of the problem with picking JP was the Oilers considered him a sure-fire ready-to-play player when he wasn’t. Many were calling to leave him in Europe for a year.

    2008 3rd overall pick D Zach Bogosian played his draft+1 year in the NHL.
    2009 3rd overall pick F Matt Duchene played his draft+1 year in the NHL.
    2010 3rd overall pick D Erik Gudbranson played his draft+1 year in the OHL.
    2011 3rd overall pick F Jonathan Huberdeau played his draft+1 and draft+2 years in the QMJHL.
    2012 3rd overall pick F Alex Galchenyuk played his draft+1 year in the OHL. To be fair, he only played 2 games in his draft year so…
    2013 3rd overall pick F Jonathan Drouin played his draft+1 year in the QMJHL.
    2014 3rd overall pick F Leon Draisaitl played his draft+1 year in the WHL.
    2015 3rd overall pick F Dylan Strome played his draft+1 and draft+2 years in the OHL.
    2016 3rd overall pick F Jesse Puljujarvi played his draft+1 year in the NHL.
    2017 3rd overall pick D Miro Heiskanen played his draft+1 year in Finland.
    2018 3rd overall pick F Jesperi Kotkaniemi played his draft+1 year in the NHL. Going by his WOWY’s the Habs have him playing with two Finns (Lehkonen and Armia). So they are helping him with the transition that way.

    So even as a 3rd overall pick, if he wasn’t NHL ready he wasn’t any different than most of the 3rd overall picks before him…

  125. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde,

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I’m waiting for someone to shitpost about the Arizona over play, any day now I suspect

    Hehe.

    I’ll have to dig that up later…..

  126. Pouzar says:

    OmJo: Many were calling to leave him in Europe for a year.

    Not sure what the definition of “many” is in this context but I would say the vast majority here wanted him in N.A. right away. I begged for JP to be left in Finland for at least one year and cited countless examples of this being the normal path for many Finnish/Swedish players. It’s uncanny how many of these players play in their respective homelands in their draft +1 (or more) season(s)…but the Oilers always know better.

  127. ArmchairGM says:

    OmJo,

    Puljujarvi was 4th overall.

  128. Lowetide says:

    I have a post ready to go but an update from WordPress last night won’t let me in the back. I have to scoot to work, will attempt to post today’s article (NHLE) as the morning rolls along. Apologies.

  129. godot10 says:

    Pouzar: Not sure what the definition of “many” is in this context but I would say the vast majority here wanted him in N.A. right away. I begged for JP to be left in Finland for at least one year and cited countless examples of this being the normal path for many Finnish/Swedish players. It’s uncanny how many of these players play in their respective homelands in their draft +1 (or more) season(s)…but the Oilers always know better.

    Pretty much nobody thought sitting him in the pressbox for most of the first 40 games of his draft plus 1 season was a good idea (except Chiarelli and McLellan).

  130. oilersfan says:

    WHile there is no doubt the Oilers deserve substantial blame for the handling of JP, it is apparent now that the first year of burning the first year of his ELC was a pre- arranged agreement between Chiarelli and JP’s family/agent. Stauffer said a few weeks ago that if the Oilers didnt play him in the NHL enough to burn that ELC and pay him actual NHL money he would stay in Finland where Jokerit had offered him $1 million USD tax free. The Oilers were likely worried he would excel there and be enticed to stay so agreed to the ask. In hindsight it likely would have been worth the risk for him to stay there but one must admit that was a risky move, too, as he could have waited a few years and re-entered the draft could he not? Either way, much of the insistence on leaving him in the NHL i beleive was financial related and something the agent had demanded in a handshake way, as in the AHL he would have made 10% of his NHL salary and less than 10% of what he would have made in the KHL. So what was best for his development was not what was best for his financial life and between himm, his agents and his parents that what was insisted on.

    While the Oilers deserve to be criticized for this i dont think it was all their fault. That was a valuable asset that had a powerful bargaining chip to stay in Finland.

  131. smellyglove says:

    I know +/- is a flawed stat, but Rasmus Ristolainen is -35 on a team where the next two “leaders” in this category have a -16 and -17 respectively, in ~14 minutes of ice time.Rasmus Ristolainen is a career -137.

  132. Scungilli Slushy says:

    smellyglove:
    I know +/- is a flawed stat, but Rasmus Ristolainen is -35 on a team where the next two “leaders” in this category have a -16 and -17 respectively, in ~14 minutes of ice time.Rasmus Ristolainen is a career -137.

    He’s Justin Schultz but way better overall imo. On a bad team also. Handled correctly you have Brett Burns, otherwise you have a wildcard.

  133. Scungilli Slushy says:

    oilersfan:
    WHile there is no doubt the Oilers deserve substantial blame for the handling of JP, it is apparent now that the first year of burning the first year of his ELC was a pre- arranged agreement between Chiarelli and JP’s family/agent. Stauffer said a few weeks ago that if the Oilers didnt play him in the NHL enough to burn that ELC and pay him actual NHL money he would stay in Finland where Jokerit had offered him $1 million USD tax free. The Oilers were likely worried he would excel there and be enticed to stay so agreed to the ask. In hindsight it likely would have been worth the risk for him to stay there but one must admit that was a risky move, too, as he could have waited a few years and re-entered the draft could he not? Either way, much of the insistence on leaving him in the NHL i beleive was financial related and something the agent had demanded in a handshake way, as in the AHL he would have made 10% of his NHL salary and less than 10% of what he would have made in the KHL. So what was best for his development was not what was best for his financial life and between himm, his agents and his parents that what was insisted on.

    While the Oilers deserve to be criticized for this i dont think it was all their fault. That was a valuable asset that had a powerful bargaining chip to stay in Finland.

    Other than the NHL is the best league, and the best players want to make their career there. Only Soviet players stay home, and only if NHL teams are butt heads, the Oilers of course leading the way.

    Petersson stayed over another year. no problem. Jesse just wanted money, who wouldn’t? More money over there.

    They rushed him clearly IMO to come over.

  134. BONE207 says:

    Lowetide:
    I have a post ready to go but an update from WordPress last night won’t let me in the back. I have to scoot to work, will attempt to post today’s article (NHLE) as the morning rolls along. Apologies.

    Exactly how many teachers have heard that story over the years?

    Allan!!! You will never amount to anything with this kind of thinking…ha…

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