COMPLETE NHLE

by Lowetide

Any day now the Edmonton Oilers will sign a college or CHL free agent, and we’ll head over to the Barney Google like a pack of wolves in search of knowledge. We’ll all want to know how much offense he brings, same as we did the day Drake Caggiula was signed. I like to use NHL equivalency, a useful if flawed tool that allows us to put everyone on a straight line. Let’s have a look.

THE ATHLETIC

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: Leon Draisaitl and the Oilers’ history of 50-goal seasons
  • New Jonathan Willis: Keith Gretzky is a legitimate Oilers GM candidate, but would be a hard sell in Edmonton
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers can build a contender during Connor McDavid’s prime.
  • Lowetide: How the emergence of William Lagesson in Bakersfield complicates Edmonton’s 2019-20 depth chart.
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers aren’t good, but this group has more potential than teams from the decade of darkness
  • Lowetide: Bob Nicholson’s search continues for the Oilers new tomorrow, but at a leisurely pace.
  • Jonathan Willis: Potential GM candidates and why Edmonton needs to consider those with varied experiences
  • Lowetide: Identifying Oilers roster needs reveals a familiar list
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Leon Draisaitl has found ‘another level’ by matching offensive wizardry with sound positioning.
  • Lowetide: How many future NHL goal scorers are playing for the Bakersfield Condors this season?
  • Lowetide: The career destination for Oilers phenom Jesse Puljujarvi remains unknown.
  • Jonathan Willis: Learning from a flawed argument I made about Leon Draisaitl in 2016.
  • Black Dog Pat: How the Oilers can emerge from the Bob Pulford-like era they’re stuck in.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ deadline decisions inform what may come in spring and summer
  • Jonathan Willis: From Mikko Koskinen to Bakersfield, the next two months will reveal a lot about the Oilers
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

NHLE FORWARD PROSPECTS

  1. RC Cooper Marody 12-30-42
  2. RW Jesse Puljujarvi 20-20-40
  3. LW Joe Gambardella 22-15-37
  4. LW Tyler Benson 8-28-36
  5. RW Kirill Maksimov 17-17-34
  6. RC Josh Currie 20-10-30
  7. RW Patrick Russell 14-16-30
  8. LC Ryan McLeod 8-19-27
  9. RW Kailer Yamamoto 15-11-26
  10. RW Dave Gust 12-11-23
  11. LW Ostap Safin 5-13-18
  12. RW Cam Hebig 8-9-17
  13. LW Evan Polei 8-8-16
  14. RC Tyler Vesel 4-10-14
  15. LW Graham McPhee 3-7-10
  16. RW J.D. Dudek 5-4-9
  17. LC Skyler Brind’Amour 3-6-9
  18. RC Aapeli Rasanen 5-2-7

I have everyone but Patrik Siikanen (can’t find an NHLE) listed here. I believe 30+ points represents a possible NHL player, so Edmonton has seven possibles. Unfortunately, Kailer Yamamoto isn’t one of them.

I think the four men listed here are the most likely to spend at least some time in the NHL next season, with Yamamoto, Gambardella and Russell also in the mix. Of course, the Oilers are going to be adding veteran NHL options this summer, so all four could be back in Bakersfield.

NHLE DEFENSE PROSPECTS

  1. RD Evan Bouchard 8-22-30
  2. RD Joel Persson 6-24-30
  3. LD Caleb Jones 5-19-24
  4. RD Logan Day 2-21-23
  5. RD Ethan Bear 2-20-22
  6. LD Dmitri Samorukov 5-15-20
  7. LD William Lagesson 5-13-18
  8. RD Vincent Desharnais 4-6-10
  9. RD Michael Kesselring 3-7-10
  10. RD Filip Berglund 2-8-10
  11. RD John Marino 2-7-9
  12. RD Phil Kemp 3-4-7
  13. LD Matt Cairns 2-2-4
  14. LD Markus Niemelainen 1-3-4

Edmonton has seven defensemen in the queue and I will guess that makes a trade inevitable. Although Lagesson’s number isn’t as strong as some others, his performance since January 1 (28, 4-12-16) has an NHLE of 22.7. The Oilers strength in the system is on defense. They can’t play all of these guys, hopefully the new GM will choose wisely.

There are several impressive bets among the defensive prospects. An area of strength for sure. If have of these kids develop, they are going to be some big changes in the coming months.

I would love to see the Oilers have the luxury of playing Andrej Sekera with Evan Bouchard eventually. Or Persson, or Ethan Bear.

MCDAVID ASKING OUT?

This comes up every year the Oilers miss the playoffs (earth to management: make the playoffs!) and it’s ridiculous but out there. Pierre Lebrun said yesterday “my understanding is Connor McDavid is fully invested in turning this franchise around” and then talked about needing to fix the problem.

Here’s my take: Connor McDavid isn’t going to ask out any time soon, and if the owner can get his management team together (and not interfere) this becomes a non-story. The precedent I would draw is Rick Nash, who played nine regular seasons and four playoff games for Columbus.

I don’t see this as a Connor McDavid may want out problem, I see this as an Oilers problem. If ownership and management can’t fix it, you might see a large part of the fan base exit with 97.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we hit the ground running and charge for the weekend. TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. We’ll chat Oilers, Leafs and playoffs.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. McDavid and the future.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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Moonlight

I wish I was confident that they won’t shoot themselves in the foot. How long do this management team group think people will blindly support this team?

I am not a Tier 1 fan, because I live in Ottawa. I watch it every game. I go see them when they’re in town. I buy jerseys and swag. I’ve been a fan since their second NHL season as an act of rebellion against my Leaf fan father lol. I’ve rooted for this team for close to the 40 years. I have to say it’s getting harder to root for them because of how they’re being run.

It’s beyond belief that this cycle of incompetence is allowed to continue. I’ve raised my girls as Oilers fans and not Ottawa Senators fans. They are 10 and 8 and even they can’t understand why their team is so bad year after year.

I have run out of things to say and we can only hope that someone finally gets it and does an honest assessment. Until then, Go Oilers Go!!!!!

jtblack

Without the addition of an Ehlers type and 1 quality 3rd liner; Edmonton’s F’s still dont have enough depth.

I see you dont have Russell in the mix. Good.

get rid of Manning as well.

Peter has left a mess. Fixable of course, but a mess none the Less

meanashell11

Moonlight:
I wish I was confident that they won’t shoot themselves in the he foot. How long do this management team group think people will blindly support this team?

I am not a Tier 1 fan, because I live in Ottawa. I watch it every game. I go see them when they’re in town. I buy jerseys and swag. I’ve been a fan since their second NHL season as an act of rebellion against my Leaf fan father lol. I’ve rooted for this team for close to the 40 years. I have to say it’s getting harder to root for them because of how they’re being run.

It’s beyond belief that this cycle of incompetence is allowed to continue. I’ve raised my girls as Oilers fans and not Ottawa Senators fans. They are 10 and 8 and even they can’t understand why their team is so bad year after year.

I have run out of things to say and we can only hope that someone finally gets it and does an honest assessment. Until then, Go Oilers Go!!!!!

I hear you. I have been a fan since their first season. I moved away in 1985 but have raised my kids as Oiler fans while spending serious time in Montreal (wife’s family all Habs fans. Had to put my foot down there!), then more than a decade in Toronto and now almost 20years in the US. They are still Oiler fans but man they suffer along with me. I feel sorry for them!

LMHF#1

I was looking through some random Oilers stuff and came across the type of trade they haven’t made in years. Nobody since Sather has been able to do this sort of thing for the organization:

1997-Dec-30 Edmonton Oilers trade Steve Kelly, Jason Bonsignore and Bryan Marchment to Tampa Bay Lightning for Roman Hamrlik and Paul Comrie.

Brilliant. You take two prospects who are still young enough that people think “maybe”, plus a vet, and trade them for an excellent young vet who had a brief dip, and another prospect (and remember, Paul was very VERY good and likely would have had a long career if not for the injuries) who was younger and had potential.

Any of the GMs since would have held on hoping on Kelly and Bonsignore, and either lost them for nothing or traded them for 5th rounders.

Woodguy v2.0

Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

Pacific
CGY 23
SJS 23
VGK 11

Central
WPG 16
NSH 13
DAL 9

Wildcard
STL 9
ARI 6

Out of playoffs
MIN 3
COL 2
CHI 1
EDM -1
VAN -3
ANA -7
LAK -12

Wildcard Relevant Games today:

VGK at DAL (VGK -145)
ANA at COL (COL -200)

Woodguy v2.0

Eastern Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

Atlantic
TBY 41
BOS 22
TOR 19

Metropolitan
WSH 20
NYI 19
PIT 16

Wildcard
CAR 14
CBJ 11

Out of playoffs
MTL 10
PHI 6
FLA 4
BUF -1
NYR -1
NJD -10
DET -13
OTT -17

Wildcard Relevant Games today:

CAR at CBJ (CBJ -130)

Jethro Tull

If Connor’s fully invested, then it should be Bobby calling Katz.

We can’t have has-beens and never-was involved in this team going forward.

We need progressive, inovative people. I don’t care where they come from. This is what the Oilers should be emulating. Concepts, not blueprints. These people will make their own paths.

But we’ll get the stereotypical old hockey men that know hockey. They’ll pay lip service and maybe hire a youngin’ or two, then ignore them then fire them when things don’t improve.

stush18

Hey LT. Hope you’re well. Thought I’d swing by and check things out. I just don’t come around often anymore, things are too busy and twitter offers an easier and quicker method of access.

jtblack

TORONTO is in 6th place in the NHL. Their path to the Cup would look something Like this.

BOSTON – 4th place
TAMPA – 1st place
WASH – 5th place
SAN JOSE – 2nd place

Hmmmm….. if somehow they do win or get to the Cup they certainly will have earned it

JimmyV1965

It’s not McDavid we should worry about walking. It’s RNH.

Pescador

JimmyV1965:
It’s not McDavid we should worry about walking. It’s RNH.

Hmmm, I don’t like the sounds of that.
Is $7 x 7 too much?
Depends on who you ask I guess

giddy

LMHF#1:
I was looking through some random Oilers stuff and came across the type of trade they haven’t made in years. Nobody since Sather has been able to do this sort of thing for the organization:

1997-Dec-30Edmonton Oilers trade Steve Kelly, Jason Bonsignore and Bryan Marchment to Tampa Bay Lightning for Roman Hamrlik and Paul Comrie.

Brilliant. You take two prospects who are still young enough that people think “maybe”, plus a vet, and trade them for an excellent young vet who had a brief dip, and another prospect (and remember, Paul was very VERY good and likely would have had a long career if not for the injuries) who was younger and had potential.

Any of the GMs since would have held on hoping on Kelly and Bonsignore, and either lost them for nothing or traded them for 5th rounders.

That was just Sather robbing a team blind. Hamrlik was a stud back then.

That would be like trading Hebig, Bear and Kassian for Dougie Hamilton and Morgan Geekie. No idea how you swindle any of today’s GMs into doing a trade like that, who aren’t name Chiarelli.

Oylerz

John Shannon also brought up the “how long until Connor wants out?” trope recently. It’s old and it’s tiresome. They act as though it’s the first time an elite player has played multiple seasons without making the playoffs. I like your Nash example, but also Lemieux’s Penguins missed the playoffs his first 4 seasons and then again in his 6th. Joe Sakic’s Nordiques only made the playoffs twice in 7 years (missing the first 4 years also) and lost in the first round both times.

I don’t see in Connor the type that will go to management and say “I want out”. He is a character guy. These Toronto media guys can wish for it all they want, but Connor is not just waiting for the first opportunity to go back to Toronto.

JimmyV1965

Pescador: Hmmm, I don’t like the sounds of that.
Is $7 x 7 too much?
Depends on who you ask I guess

I just can’t see him signing here at all if the team continues to suck for two years. It’s a tough call for the new GM. RNH can sign next July. If he doesn’t sign then, I think you trade him for sure, while he still has a full year in his contract. If the team decides on a slow rebuild, it probably makes the most sense to trade him this summer while there’s still two years on his deal. Sucks that it has come to this.

giddy

Oylerz:
John Shannon also brought up the “how long until Connor wants out?” trope recently. It’s old and it’s tiresome. They act as though it’s the first time an elite player has played multiple seasons without making the playoffs. I like your Nash example, but also Lemieux’s Penguins missed the playoffs his first 4 seasons and then again in his 6th. Joe Sakic’s Nordiques only made the playoffs twice in 7 years (missing the first 4 years also) and lost in the first round both times.

I don’t see in Connor the type that will go to management and say “I want out”. He is a character guy. These Toronto media guys can wish for it all they want, but Connor is not justwaiting for the first opportunity to go back to Toronto.

Yep. It’s just media being media–gotta sell clicks to generate revenue to make shareholders happy.

OriginalPouzar

Obviously the NHLe for d-men isn’t all that indicative of potential NHL careers – for example, a guy like Phil Kemp is an afterthought with respect to NHLe but he has developed in to a real prospect, a long-term development path required but a real prospect.

Of course, the two-way games of guys like Lagesson and Samorukov are under-represented in the NHLe.

Also, once must always factor in age.

stush18

I’ve been looking forward towards next years team, and I gotta day, I don’t see any quick solutions out of this mess. The year after things should start popping.

If we assume Mcdavid, Nuge, Draisaitl, Klefbom, Larsson are locks to return, and we are unable to move from Lucic or Sekera, we have 7 roster spots filled.

Now who out of our remaining players are likely to be returning? On FWD I think Kassian, Juhjar, Currie are good candidates to return. On D I think it’s more than likely you’ll see Nurse return. That’s 10/18 regular spots filled.

Now the tricky parts.
Can you move from Russell? I would. Does Gagner provide enough value at his contract, or is he just tugging on our heartstrings? Do you bring back Chiasson, and at what price? Is Reider a good “sign-low” candidate, or is it foolhardy signing someone with no goals? What happens with Jesse? I think it would be foolish to move on, but hip surgery is not something to joke about.

This team needs to allocate salary from the back end towards the FWDs. If you could delete Russell salary from the team, without taking on a negative, I would. I think the goal would be to move him this summer.

Can Matt Benning be flipped with an asset to acquire a better dman? It’s not that I think we should move on from Benning, I just think we have players from below who can replace his minutes from below.

I think we are a year away from making a step forward, and next year needs to start taking steps towards reallocating salary. There’s some good ideas floating around (trade Gagner tin OTT to buyout, and then resign him cheap) that a forward thinking gm could pull off.

OriginalPouzar

Clearly Matt Benning at 2RD isn’t something to be relied on going in to the season (we’ve been fooled twice) and that position remains a priority – 2 year stop gap – so that Sekera can indeed play an anchor/mentor role on a 3rd pairing that will be with Benning but will likely also see alot of rookie.

I see Russell absence from the list – a clean disposition for cap space in the name of a short-term stop-gap upgrade at 2RD would be sublime!

ArmchairGM

Are those NHLe figures age-adjusted? If not, I would suggest that Yamamoto’s 26 has more future value than Currie’s 30, for instance.

leadfarmer

How long until Eichel wants out?
Oh its Buffalo so no one cares

ArmchairGM

OriginalPouzar:
Clearly Matt Benning at 2RD isn’t something to be relied on going in to the season (we’ve been fooled twice) and that position remains a priority – 2 year stop gap – so that Sekera can indeed play an anchor/mentor role on a 3rd pairing that will be with Benning but will likely also see alot of rookie.

I see Russell absence from the list – a clean disposition for cap space in the name of a short-term stop-gap upgrade at 2RD would be sublime!

I wonder if Russell would have Colorado on his trade list. There could be a fit there.

DBO

OriginalPouzar:
Clearly Matt Benning at 2RD isn’t something to be relied on going in to the season (we’ve been fooled twice) and that position remains a priority – 2 year stop gap – so that Sekera can indeed play an anchor/mentor role on a 3rd pairing that will be with Benning but will likely also see alot of rookie.

I see Russell absence from the list – a clean disposition for cap space in the name of a short-term stop-gap upgrade at 2RD would be sublime!

I’ll keep beating the Justin Faulk drum. 1 year placeholder, fills the need we have as a RH dman who can run a PP. He is owed $6 million cash for a $4.8 cap hit, so Carolina may be happy to celar his dollars and may not want too much back.

Move Russell, replace with Faulk. Add 1 top 6 winger via trade or free agency and with internal growth we have a shot at playoffs without killing our cap.

fifthcartel

ArmchairGM,

I wonder about Vancouver or Montreal.

ArmchairGM

Question for the community: who has the higher ceiling, Calev Jones or Dmitri Samorukov?

Stats from draft+2 season:

CJ 63, 9-53-62 +3 0.98
DS 58, 10-34-44 +37 0.76

Samorukov plays on a better team (does that inflate the +/-?) in a better league (does that explain his lower point totals?). Both are average size guys with fluid skating and some offense.

Thoughts?

JOFA

jtblack,

You mean Peter and Keith have left a ness

who

fifthcartel:
ArmchairGM,

I wonder about Vancouver or Montreal.

Montreal needs him but I doubt he wants to go there.
Vancouver Is an interesting option, especially if they don’t re-sign Edler. Problem with that thinking is that Vancouver is building a team with a very small defense. Stetcher, Biega, Hughes, etc. If I was Benning I’d be nervous about adding another one. Still think you need some size back there.
Colorado has Girard, Cole, Zadorov and Nemeth on the left side. Not sure they have a need there.
Summary- Russell will be hard to move this summer. Still think Benning is more likely to go. Smaller contract, shoots right, no trade restrictions, etc.

Buddy

JimmyV1965:
It’s not McDavid we should worry about walking. It’s RNH.

I think the chances of Nuge and Larsson being Oilers in October 2021 aren’t zero, but they’re closer to zero than to 100. Pretty much everything depends on who Nicholson and his ace advisors hire in the coming weeks.

stush18

OriginalPouzar:
Clearly Matt Benning at 2RD isn’t something to be relied on going in to the season (we’ve been fooled twice) and that position remains a priority – 2 year stop gap – so that Sekera can indeed play an anchor/mentor role on a 3rd pairing that will be with Benning but will likely also see alot of rookie.

I see Russell absence from the list – a clean disposition for cap space in the name of a short-term stop-gap upgrade at 2RD would be sublime!

Looking around the league, at teams that can afford to move a RH dman, you obviously come to a team like CAR and Pesce. I wonder if Yamamoto and Benning is enough for them. It should be. Faulk would likely cost less.

Would you be able to get Shattenkirk from NYR? Unlikely he waived.
What about Green from DET?
What about CBJ and Savard?

Bad Seed

Jethro Tull:
If Connor’s fully invested, then it should be Bobby calling Katz.

We can’t have has-beens and never-was involved in this team going forward.

We need progressive, inovative people. I don’t care where they come from. This is what the Oilers should be emulating. Concepts, not blueprints. These people will make their own paths.

But we’ll get the stereotypical old hockey men that know hockey. They’ll pay lip service and maybe hire a youngin’ or two, then ignore them then fire them when things don’t improve.

Here’s the thing I’ve always wondered. We all know that when the Oilers won the McDavid lottery, that there were directives they had to clean up their act. I wonder if Orr wasn’t in their ear then advising them to strongly consider Pistol Pete – Boston connections and all. Would explain why there wasn’t much of a GM search.

Pescador

JimmyV1965: I just can’t see him signing here at all if the team continues to suck for two years. It’s a tough call for the new GM. RNH can sign next July.If he doesn’t sign then, I think you trade him for sure, while he still has a full year in his contract. If the team decides on a slow rebuild, it probably makes the most sense to trade him this summer while there’s still two years on his deal. Sucks that it has come to this.

Nah, I’m not ready to concede that just yet.
Sucks missing the playoffs again but we’re not tearing it down again like Ottawa.
Oilers will make the playoffs next year but just barely.
That will cure alot of ails.
Speaking of Ale’s, I’m off to my friend’s garage to cook up some Home’n Breu (brow)
Possibly some sampling.

JimmyV1965

leadfarmer:
How long until Eichel wants out?
Oh its Buffalo so no one cares

Nice post. Of course Eichel wasn’t born and raised in Toronto. Only players born in the centre of the universe want to go home. And of course only superstars want out of a shit show. Players who are merely really really good will put up with crap their entire career.

ArmchairGM

stush18: Looking around the league, at teams that can afford to move a RH dman, you obviously come to a team like CAR and Pesce. I wonder if Yamamoto and Benning is enough for them. It should be. Faulk would likely cost less.

Would you be able to get Shattenkirk from NYR? Unlikely he waived.
What about Green from DET?
What about CBJ and Savard?

Not nearly enough for Pesce. Would TVR be a good enough stop-gap guy?

Jared Spurgeon is another name for your list. MN seems to have its head up its ass right now too, so it might be a good time to buy low.

Professor Q

JimmyV1965: Nice post. Of course Eichel wasn’t born and raised in Toronto. Only players born in the centre of the universe want to go home. And of course only superstars want out of a shit show. Players who are merely really really good will put up with crap their entire career.

Unless you explicitly state that you don’t want to go home, like Patrick Kane with Buffalo and Kevin Durant with Washington. Well, then people care the opposite way, I suppose (traitor!).

JimmyV1965

stush18: Looking around the league, at teams that can afford to move a RH dman, you obviously come to a team like CAR and Pesce. I wonder if Yamamoto and Benning is enough for them. It should be. Faulk would likely cost less.

Would you be able to get Shattenkirk from NYR? Unlikely he waived.
What about Green from DET?
What about CBJ and Savard?

I think we should look at Van Riemsdyk. There’s almost no chance they trade Pesce and Faulk will be a lot more expensive. I would even consider looking at McKeown. The guy just keeps getting it done in the minors and I think he has to pass through waivers next year.

Oilman99

stush18: Looking around the league, at teams that can afford to move a RH dman, you obviously come to a team like CAR and Pesce. I wonder if Yamamoto and Benning is enough for them. It should be. Faulk would likely cost less.

Would you be able to get Shattenkirk from NYR? Unlikely he waived.
What about Green from DET?
What about CBJ and Savard?

Shattenkirk has been a healthy scratch for NYR, and Green is ageing out,don’t see an upgrade with either of these guys.

JimmyV1965

ArmchairGM: Not nearly enough for Pesce. Would TVR be a good enough stop-gap guy?

Jared Spurgeon is another name for your list. MN seems to have its head up its ass right now too, so it might be a good time to buy low.

Spurgeon would be really really interesting. Only one year left on his deal. Edmonton boy.

Durag

@Bob_Stauffer

Lucic-McDavid-Kassian
Rieder-Draisaitl-Chiasson
Khaira-RNH-Gagner
Currie-Cave-Rattie
Malone-Brodziak

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Russell
Sekera-Benning
Gravel-Petrovic

Koskinen
Stolarz

So now we can’t even have Leon going for 50 and Connor making an improbable run at defending the Art Ross? 🙁

OmJo

Durag:
@Bob_Stauffer

Lucic-McDavid-Kassian
Rieder-Draisaitl-Chiasson
Khaira-RNH-Gagner
Currie-Cave-Rattie
Malone-Brodziak

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Russell
Sekera-Benning
Gravel-Petrovic

Koskinen
Stolarz

So now we can’t even have Leon going for 50 and Connor making an improbable run at defending the Art Ross?

Lose for Hughes is official, folks…

ArmchairGM

OmJo: Lose for Hughes is official, folks…

Wacko for Kakko.

digger50

I read somewhere a couple weeks ago that if Rieder took a few more unsuccessful shots he would hold the NHL record for most shots on goal in a season with zero goals.

Hey, don’t say the Oilers never win anything.

doritogrande

Anyone else wondering why we’re allowed to have a 24 man roster?

oilersfan

WHile there is no doubt the Oilers deserve substantial blame for the handling of JP, it is apparent now that the first year of burning the first year of his ELC was a pre- arranged agreement between Chiarelli and JP’s family/agent. Stauffer said a few weeks ago that if the Oilers didnt play him in the NHL enough to burn that ELC and pay him actual NHL money he would stay in Finland where Jokerit had offered him $1 million USD tax free. The Oilers were likely worried he would excel there and be enticed to stay so agreed to the ask. In hindsight it likely would have been worth the risk for him to stay there but one must admit that was a risky move, too, as he could have waited a few years and re-entered the draft could he not? Either way, much of the insistence on leaving him in the NHL i beleive was financial related and something the agent had demanded in a handshake way, as in the AHL he would have made 10% of his NHL salary and less than 10% of what he would have made in the KHL. So what was best for his development was not what was best for his financial life and between himm, his agents and his parents that what was insisted on.

While the Oilers deserve to be criticized for this i dont think it was all their fault. That was a valuable asset that had a powerful bargaining chip to stay in Finland.

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stush18

Oilman99,

JimmyV1965,

ArmchairGM: Not nearly enough for Pesce. Would TVR be a good enough stop-gap guy?

Jared Spurgeon is another name for your list. MN seems to have its head up its ass right now too, so it might be a good time to buy low.

I think you look at Green and Shattenkirk as Stop gaps, who bring established puck moving abilities. You’re not looking long term, and they might come cheaper.

I can’t see Pesce or Faulk costing more than Benning and Yamamoto. And their were reports that they were looking to move him instead of Faulk for some reason. Also not sure what’s up with Hamilton.

I don’t think TVR is much of an upgrade over Benning. If that’s the case I’d move Benning for Brown and just acquire TVR for a lesser cost.

Totally forgot about Spurgeon. And you’re right, that might be a good candidate to grab. They’re all backwards right now. Wonder if you could swing something for Rask as well. They don’t look happy with him.

N64

digger50:
I read somewhere a couple weeks ago that if Rieder took a few more unsuccessful shots he would hold the NHL record for most shots on goal in a season with zero goals.

Hey, don’t say the Oilers never win anything.

If that’s a season record, he has to reach the shot count and go the rest of the season without scoring. Doable.

For the predictions I’ll take him for a 1st period goal in the Coyotes game 😉

Jethro Tull

oilersfan,

If true, maybe Columbus GM got wind of it. JP was ranked higher but CBJ needed a center. This could have tipped the decision to pick Dubois. Not much drop off in skill, but isn’t going to hold the team ransome. “Play me and pay me or lose your 4ov and see how that looks in the media.”

Reja

LMHF#1:
I was looking through some random Oilers stuff and came across the type of trade they haven’t made in years. Nobody since Sather has been able to do this sort of thing for the organization:

1997-Dec-30Edmonton Oilers trade Steve Kelly, Jason Bonsignore and Bryan Marchment to Tampa Bay Lightning for Roman Hamrlik and Paul Comrie.

Brilliant. You take two prospects who are still young enough that people think “maybe”, plus a vet, and trade them for an excellent young vet who had a brief dip, and another prospect (and remember, Paul was very VERY good and likely would have had a long career if not for the injuries) who was younger and had potential.

Any of the GMs since would have held on hoping on Kelly and Bonsignore, and either lost them for nothing or traded them for 5th rounders.

I liked the Curtis Joseph and mike Grier trade even better in 95 for Corson. Sather was such a shrewd prick back then most of the GM’s were intimated by him.

Kinger_Oil.redux

Durag:
@Bob_Stauffer

Lucic-McDavid-Kassian
Rieder-Draisaitl-Chiasson
Khaira-RNH-Gagner
Currie-Cave-Rattie
Malone-Brodziak

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Russell
Sekera-Benning
Gravel-Petrovic

Koskinen
Stolarz

So now we can’t even have Leon going for 50 and Connor making an improbable run at defending the Art Ross?

– I actually think this is the template for the team going forward

– 3Cs each on their own line Healthy Jar has Chen with Nuge. Kassian fine with McD

– You basically rinse and repeat this untill the Kailer Pool FA kids etc can play with skill

– Drai has shown promise as a C on his own line. Nuge as 3c is huge

– It shouldn’t be about padding scoring for McD and Drai rather letting them C their own

Oilin4

A couple people have posted about their personal story with the Oilers. I have twin 9 year olds and a 5 year old. My 9 year olds were all over the playoff run two years ago and I thought I’d finally converted them. This season they just trash talk me for my illogical love. I’ve lost this bond and it angers me.

My five year old (god bless his innocence) for no good reason other than being 5 is a die hard fan. Every time my Flames fans parents come over he plays the McDavid song and parades around the house trash talking them through song and dance. Nobody has the heart to fire back at him with, you know, a picture of the current standings. I’m taking him to the Kings game so I can enjoy his innocence before he also loses interest. I’m hoping this team will turn it around so I don’t lose his loyalty as well, but I’m not optimistic. If I lose it too, my anger will be seething, and I doubt this team will ever get my love back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_0VHfZqXms

Edit: Anyone lurking for the Oilers organization should take notice of the helplessness amongst most fans, and general apathy for this team amongst school-aged kids. I don’t remember seeing so many jerseys and shirts of non-Edmonton teams in elementary schools when I was a kid.

JimmyV1965

oilersfan:
WHile there is no doubt the Oilers deserve substantial blame for the handling of JP, it is apparent now that the first year of burning the first year of his ELC was a pre- arranged agreement between Chiarelli and JP’s family/agent. Stauffer said a few weeks ago that if the Oilers didnt play him in the NHL enough to burn that ELC and pay him actual NHL money he would stay in Finland where Jokerit had offered him $1 million USD tax free. The Oilers were likely worried he would excel there and be enticed to stay so agreed to the ask. In hindsight it likely would have been worth the risk for him to stay there but one must admit that was a risky move, too, as he could have waited a few years and re-entered the draft could he not? Either way, much of the insistence on leaving him in the NHL i beleive was financial related and something the agent had demanded in a handshake way, as in the AHL he would have made 10% of his NHL salary and less than 10% of what he would have made in the KHL. So what was best for his development was not what was best for his financial life and between himm, his agents and his parents that what was insisted on.

While the Oilers deserve to be criticized for this i dont think it was all their fault. That was a valuable asset that had a powerful bargaining chip to stay in Finland.

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I think a smart team would have encouraged him to play in Finland, rather than come over here. Oilers were not in a position of weakness.