Nina Simone’s Trouble in Mind

I never know what to call Nina Simone’s music, because there are elements of jazz, blues, folk and other influences. I will say that in a world in which I’ve lived to hear the unbelievable voices of Ray Charles, Gladys Knight and Barbra Streisand, none reaches me like Simone’s. When she sings “I’m gonna lay my head on some lonesome railroad line, let the 219 train ease my troubled mind” she’s singing the truth, just as much as she does in the next line “but I won’t be blue always, because the sun’s gonna shine In my back door someday.”

The Edmonton Oilers are kind of like Nina Simone’s Trouble in Mind. Misery and despair, but the belief there will be a some sweet day. Dear Ms. Simone: How long is how long? I’ll hang up and listen.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Jonathan Willis: The Oilers need to drastically revamp their forward group.
  • Lowetide: Identifying the risk and the right price if the Oilers were to trade Adam Larsson (to Toronto?)
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ prospect Tyler Benson’s rookie AHL season a revelation.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers draft early, the WHL is loaded and there’s a lot of history.
  • Jonathan Willis: Analyzing how much the Oilers should be willing to spend on pending free agent Alex Chiasson.
  • Jonathan Willis: Keith Gretzky is a legitimate Oilers GM candidate, but would be a hard sell in Edmonton
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers can build a contender during Connor McDavid’s prime.
  • Lowetide: How the emergence of William Lagesson in Bakersfield complicates Edmonton’s 2019-20 depth chart.
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers aren’t good, but this group has more potential than teams from the decade of darkness
  • Lowetide: Bob Nicholson’s search continues for the Oilers new tomorrow, but at a leisurely pace.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Leon Draisaitl has found ‘another level’ by matching offensive wizardry with sound positioning.
  • Jonathan Willis: From Mikko Koskinen to Bakersfield, the next two months will reveal a lot about the Oilers
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.

OILERS AFTER 73

  • Oilers in 2015: 28-38-7, 63 points; goal differential -36
  • Oilers in 2016: 39-25-9, 87 points; goal differential +22
  • Oilers in 2017: 32-36-5, 69 points; goal differential -34
  • Oilers in 2018: 32-34-7, 71 points; goal differential -29

The one thread I was going to write about this spring, the one ray of hope, was the goal differential. As this team lets go the rope, we are left with a lost season, perhaps even less successful than a year ago (it’s very close now). Trouble in mind.

OILERS IN MARCH

  • Oilers in March 2016: 5-4-0, 10 points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in March 2017: 5-3-1, 11 points; goal differential +10
  • Oilers in March 2018: 4-4-1, nine points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in March 2019: 5-4-0, 10 points; goal differential -4

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH?

  • On the road to: Columbus, Buffalo (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Toronto, NY Rangers, NJD (Expected 2-1-1) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • On the road to: Arizona, Vegas, St. Louis (Expected: 0-2-1) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Columbus, Ottawa, Los Angeles, Dallas, Anaheim (Expected: 3-1-1) (Actual)
  • Overall expected result: 5-5-4, 14 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 5-4-0, 10 points in ninge games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Larsson went 8-13 in 13:36, 4-8 shots, 0-1 goals and 2-2 HDSC. I still don’t know where Oscar went and Larsson clearly didn’t recognize the danger in time. Wiiiide open. I mistakenly noted Klefbom disappeared on the first goal, it was the second one.
  • Sekera-Benning were 9-16 in 11:22, 6-13 shots, 0-2 goals and 1-3 HDSC. Benning a little slow on the second Schwartz goal, Sekera’s mobility is an issue but his smarts are a Godsend. Buy him out? Let’s see the next nine games and then talk.
  • Nurse-Russell went 6-18 in 16:43, 2-12 shots, 1-1 goals and 0-4 HDSC. Nurse and McDavid: 4-5 in 6:40, 1-5 shots, 0-2 HDSC. This duo can’t get the puck to the forwards under control, it’s costing goals (and causing goals against) all over hell’s half acre.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 17 of 20, .850. Anthony Stolarz stopped 20 of 24, .833. Koskinen’s glove is becoming a story, I think he should stay on his feet longer, too, but am not a goalie expert. He needs to be better, we’re still finding out about him as the No. 1 goalie. He’s worked a lot lately.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian were 8-15 in 12:40, 3-11 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-2 HDSC. The two impact players looked exhausted from here, Kassian had a great night. Truly.
  • Lucic-Nuge-Gagner went 0-4 in 4:46, 0-1 shots and 0-1 goals.
  • Gambardella-Cave-Chiasson were 2-2 in 3:04, 1-0 shots. Liking Cave and Gambardella on the forecheck.
  • Rieder-Brodziak-Rattie were 3-0 in 3:00, 2-0 shots and 1-0 HDSC. Rattie looked good, I’m not sure why the Oilers don’t play him with skill.
  • Lucic-Nuge-Chiasson went 1-4 in 2:04, 0-2 shots, 0-1 HDSC.
  • Nuge-McDavid-Kassian were 0-7 in 1:52, 0-5 shots, 0-1 goals and 0-1 HDSC.

CONDORS PROSPECTS

Eric Rodgers blesses us with great information on the Bakersfield Condors even though he’s in Oklahoma City. It’s brilliant stuff, giving us an idea about defencemen (even strength GF-GA is an excellent viewpoint for blue). Eric has now begun to estimate PP and PK time on ice, meaning we can drill down on even strength points-per-60.

Why is that important? It speaks to usage, and gives the boxcars some nuance. Our first installment tells us Kailer Yamamoto has been playing third line minutes, something we knew based on watching and scoring results, but is drilled home soundly when looking at estimated even strength points per 60:

What does that tell us? Well, at a guess, I’m going to say the organization has been sending the young man a message. Does anyone doubt he would have had more success playing with Benson and Marody from Game One?

From the defense, William Lagesson’s +21 goal differential at even strength shines like a diamond. He has played more games than Bear (+14 in 45 games) and Jones (+11 in 40 games) but this is a wildly impressive season from the Swede.

It is kind of weird and once again tells us the pro scouting lags behind amateur (imo) by some margin. One benefit to not signing Philp? Edmonton may have enough room to sign Logan Day to an NHL deal. He’s earned it.

OILERS DRAFT NO. 7

If the season ended today, and the lottery changed nothing, Edmonton would draft No. 7. My No. 7 selection is winger Vasili Podkolzin, not certain the Oilers would take another Russian that high but the scouting reports are strong (numbers less so).

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, a busy day and a wide range of subjects. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. Are there more questions than answers about this team since the trade deadline?
  • Jon Campbell, OddsShark. March madness, baby!
  • Mayor Don Iveson. We’ll chat about various sports related issues (the ballpark, Rogers) and about the coming election.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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165 Responses to "Nina Simone’s Trouble in Mind"

  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Buyout Sekera?

    Why in the world would that be a reasonable option.

    Yes, he’s expensive but, worst case scenario, this team is better with him on the ice than without.

    I can’t imagine a series of transactions where Sekera is bought out and the saved cap space is used on a player that makes the team better than Sekera.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Its pretty clear the current Hitchcock/Yawney combination has zero interest in (a) splitting up Nurse/Russell and/or (b) doing any sort of experimenting to test if an incumbent may be able to provide value at 2RD (Sekera, Nurse, Klefbom).

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    There were some signs in the 10 (or so) post-deadline games that Koskinen may have been settling in and finding some more consistent play. As it turned out, it was simply another heater now followed by another ice cold streak – 3 bad games in the last 4 (and the 4th being just OK) – with Klefbom, Russell, Sekera in the lineup.

    Uh oh!

  4. LMHF#1 says:

    Not sure how serious Neilson is being. On one hand I’d simply say “typical Oilers”…on the other while I love a good UofA to NHL story…they are indeed rare.

    Nothing I’ve seen out of the discussions at the season ticket sessions gives me any pause. It’s the same old bad thinking. These guys do not know how to think…this is the problem. It’s all flavors of the month, old cliches, BS about culture, taking other teams’ stale ideas and copying them…none of this builds anything good. None of it.

    No indications of wholesale change, despite continuing, utter failure…in fact they still think they are close. Not only this – but you’ve got Bob saying “we’re going to do this and do that…” next year without a GM or a Coach chosen yet…why would any of those decisions already be made? They either aren’t and he’s ad-libbing, or they are and all the theories about other people really running things are true…neither is a good situation.

    I’ll also come back to one thing I simply won’t put down – Kris Russell is a terrible, terrible hockey player. He brings down the team, and whoever his D partner is…yet how many times has any member of the media gone directly at this problem and the other specific problems the Oilers have? Zero. It just isn’t done in this market.

    Complain all you want about Montreal, Toronto or New York…at least they don’t hold back and there is a positive pressure for things to get better. This kid-glove access-loving stuff doesn’t help anyone.

  5. Alpine says:

    How many CIS players turn into something? I know his numbers look great but Philp is also 23.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    With respect to Yamamoto, prior to Currie’s call-up to the NHL, he was indeed playing the majority of his time with Vesel and Esposito on the third line (the Russell/Malone/Joe G line was the 2nd line). There was some time with Spooner in there prior to the Spooner trade.

    It took Kailer a bit to get his game (he seems to struggle out of the gate whenever re-assigned to a new destination – Bakersfield, Spokane, etc.), however, he started to drive offence on that 3rd line, consistently creating scoring chances and was among the best players on the ice nightly.

    Marody and Benson really drive that 1st line but its fairly clear that Kailer is an important offensive part of it.

    I think the GF% is a bit skewed because the team, an in particular the line, is so good – that Benson/Marody duo essentially spend no time in their own zone – its possession shift after possession shift after possession shift.

  7. jtblack says:

    LT: What is a sortie? (referring to nurse)

  8. Primetime says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Its pretty clear the current Hitchcock/Yawney combination has zero interest in (a) splitting up Nurse/Russell and/or (b) doing any sort of experimenting to test if an incumbent may be able to provide value at 2RD (Sekera, Nurse, Klefbom).

    Now that the season is all but done, hopefully we see some movement in the D pairs to end the year?
    At the very least, give Benning another shot at 2RHD with Nurse, and Sekera/Russell as 3rd pair.
    At the very best, would love to see Lagesson called up for the final 10 games to give him a well deserved look in the show and a head start on next year. He played with Sekera during his conditioning stint and Seksy declared him NHL ready. Put the 2 of them on the 3rd pairing and sit Russell for the remaining games…maybe encourage him to increase his NMC list…..

  9. Lowetide says:

    jtblack:
    LT:What is a sortie?(referring to nurse)

    Each trip into or out of the zone I regard as a sortie (a single flight). It’s a military term and has death as a possibility. 🙂

  10. Mr DeBakey says:

    jtblack:
    LT:What is a sortie?(referring to nurse)

    Definition of sortie
    1 : a sudden issuing of troops from a defensive position against the enemy
    2 : one mission or attack by a single plane
    3a : FORAY, RAID

  11. DBO says:

    What scares me or saddens me most about this year is that if you added the top 5 forwards from Bakersfield along with Cave we are a much better team tehn our current one. ANd man is that an indictment of the pro scouting department and Chiarelli.

    Benson-Marody-Yamamoto
    Gamberadella-Cave-Currie

    is that not a much better bottom 6? And cheap. No way we go into next year with that many kids (although Cave, Currie, Gamberadella and Marody are all older so maybe it would work.)

    Draisatl-McDavid-Kassian
    Khaira-Nuge-Gagner

  12. jtblack says:

    Lowetide: Each trip into or out of the zone I regard as a sortie (a single flight). It’s a military term and has death as a possibility.

    well Darnell has never been able to make a 4 ft pass. And we have given him a “pass” because he hadn’t played enough games. He is what he is. A 5 tool D man who cannot think / pass at a high level; thus holding him back from being a dominant D man AND also the pooor passing allows far too many easy goals ..

  13. Mr DeBakey says:

    I never know what to call Nina Simone’s music, because there are elements of jazz, blues, folk and other influences.

    Man, gotta love those intense, edgy female vocalists [unlike, say, intense, edgy female spouses].

    Other examples Patti Smith, Ani DiFranco and, more obscurely, Nirmala Basnayake of controller.controller.

  14. Darth Tu says:

    With Koskinen (and previously Brossoit, Talbot, etc.), how much of the issue is the goalies themselves, and how much is the coaching? Not to dump on Schwartz, but is he the right guy for the job? I’m no goalie so can’t really comment on the technicalities of the position, but I find it weird how often Koskinen seems able to make the big save in one on one situations, but then will give up garbage goals low against the post or around his glove.

    Any goalies or ex-tenders in here that maybe has some insight?

  15. Durag says:

    Alpine,

    I was thinking the same thing. I can’t think of a single example of a player who came out of CIS to have an NHL career.

  16. Coiler says:

    Let Yamamoto stew in Bakersfield for the next 2 years and earn first line minutes. What’s the rush at this point?

    Part of me sometimes thinks that Nurse is regressing with Russell as his partner. I’m curious to know if anyone else feels that way.

  17. Darth Tu says:

    Coiler:
    Let Yamamoto stew in Bakersfield for the next 2 years and earn first line minutes. What’s the rush at this point?

    Part of me sometimes thinks that Nurse is regressing with Russell as his partner. I’m curious to know if anyone else feels that way.

    It would be nice to see him play with a right hand D again at some point. He wasn’t bad with Larsson (from memory).

  18. RumBurgundy says:

    Only CIS player I can remember to have success in the NHL is Steve Rucchin.

    Agreed Darnell needs a righty partner. Easier to pass to a target. Is asking for a righty who can move the puck and defend 2nd pairing competition a too much?

  19. LMHF#1 says:

    Coiler:
    Part of me sometimes thinks that Nurse is regressing with Russell as his partner. I’m curious to know if anyone else feels that way.

    I have Nurse’s ceiling a lot lower than others…but there’s no ‘feel’ about it – having to play with a partner who cannot and does not play his position, causing Nurse to have to adjust and chase all over the ice as the athletic and talented one, is hurting his game and his learning process immensely. He has no chance to get better offensively and as a player who came in needing to learn structure, cannot play that way.

    It is a shame and indictment on everyone involved that this is allowed to happen.

  20. LMHF#1 says:

    RumBurgundy,

    Joel Ward did pretty well for himself.

  21. Coiler says:

    Darth Tu:
    With Koskinen (and previously Brossoit, Talbot, etc.), how much of the issue is the goalies themselves, and how much is the coaching?Not to dump on Schwartz, but is he the right guy for the job?I’m no goalie so can’t really comment on the technicalities of the position, but I find it weird how often Koskinen seems able to make the big save in one on one situations, but then will give up garbage goals low against the post or around his glove.

    Any goalies or ex-tenders in here that maybe has some insight?

    That’s a really good point. Why has Edmonton’s goalie coach been immune to criticism? This org seems to chew and spew goalies with a certain regularity that’s becoming comical. The common denominator in these scenarios is that these goalies leave the organization and thrive elsewhere. Alarm bells should be ringing.

  22. Professor Q says:

    Mr DeBakey: Definition of sortie
    1 : a sudden issuing of troops from a defensive position against the enemy
    2 : one mission or attack by a single plane
    3a : FORAY, RAID

    Also, an exit!

  23. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    With respect to Yamamoto, prior to Currie’s call-up to the NHL, he was indeed playing the majority of his time with Vesel and Esposito on the third line (the Russell/Malone/Joe G line was the 2nd line).There was some time with Spooner in there prior to the Spooner trade.

    It took Kailer a bit to get his game (he seems to struggle out of the gate whenever re-assigned to a new destination – Bakersfield, Spokane, etc.), however, he started to drive offence on that 3rd line, consistently creating scoring chances and was among the best players on the ice nightly.

    Marody and Benson really drive that 1st line but its fairly clear that Kailer is an important offensive part of it.

    I think the GF% is a bit skewed because the team, an in particular the line, is so good – that Benson/Marody duo essentially spend no time in their own zone – its possession shift after possession shift after possession shift.

    The number that jumps out at me re: Yamamoto is that he was on ice for 17 GF and has 17 points. Talk about carrying your linemates! He IS the offense when he’s on the ice.

  24. Chico21 says:

    Cory Cross comes to mind from the U of A. But that’s not a very high ceiling.

  25. gregsaint says:

    Re: Russell…if I never again have to hear the Oiler’s play by play mention how an Oiler’s D is 3rd in the league in shot blocking, I would be much happier.

  26. RumBurgundy says:

    LMHF#1,

    Didn’t know Joel Ward was a CIS alum!

  27. Chico21 says:

    Or Derek Ryan.

  28. RumBurgundy says:

    Coiler,

    I think team defensive structure is one of a goalie’s best assets. Yes, alarm bells should be ringing.

  29. ArmchairGM says:

    Coiler: Let Yamamoto stew in Bakersfield for the next 2 years and earn first line minutes. What’s the rush at this point?

    Next year for sure. If Benson – Marody – Yamamoto tears up the AHL next ýear – and I expect them to – I would seriously consider bringing the trio up for 2020-21 and running them as the Oilers 3rd line.

    Next year Bakersfield will be even more interesting than it is this year, with the additions of Bouchard, Samorukov, Maksimov, McLeod, Safin and… Kakko. ( Oops, hope I didn’t jinx anything by writing that.)

  30. Pouzar says:

    Lagesson is the prospect I am most looking forward to seeing in April.
    Saw Benson last year and hoping the skating has improved.

  31. Wonder Llama says:

    This song is called OBC Goddamn.

    And I mean every word of it.

  32. Suntory Hanzo says:

    The first time I learned about sortie was playing Choplifter on the Commodore 64.

  33. russ99 says:

    ArmchairGM: Next year for sure. If Benson – Marody – Yamamoto tears up the AHL next ýear – and I expect them to – I would seriously consider bringing the trio up for 2020-21 and running them as the Oilers 3rd line.

    Next year Bakersfield will be even more interesting than it is this year, with the additions of Bouchard, Samorukov, Maksimov, McLeod, Safin and… Kakko. ( Oops, hope I didn’t jinx anything by writing that.)

    Agree. Most players only spend a few years in the AHL. Don’t want to rush but also don’t want to overcook Detroit style.

    If our centers next year are McDavid, Leon, Nuge, Cave and possibly Gagner (in a good forward group, he’d be a solid 3C) maybe it makes sense to give Marody a shot at wing. He’s the closest to ready IMO.

    After that “character” blather from Burger Bob, I’d think we’re stuck with Kassian and probably Lucic in the bottom six.

  34. russ99 says:

    Suntory Hanzo,

    LOL! Me too.

  35. Durag says:

    RumBurgundy:
    LMHF#1,

    Didn’t know Joel Ward was a CIS alum!

    Didn’t know that either! Just checked out his hockeydb page and wow, what a career trajectory. 4 years in the OHL, 4 years in CIS and 2 in the AHL before getting a cup of coffee in the bigs, 1 more year in the A and finally at 28 years old he sticks in the NHL and carves out 700+ games.

  36. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    The first time I learned about sortie was playing Choplifter on the Commodore 64.

    Got this running on an emulator for my nephews (ok ok it was for me) – it’s still fun.

    Kids loved it too. Solid game.

  37. Reja says:

    Durag:
    Alpine,

    I was thinking the same thing. I can’t think of a single example of a player who came out of CIS to have an NHL career.

    Randy Gregg. He played nine years for us.

  38. franksterra says:

    Mr DeBakey,

    Neko Case
    MIA
    so good

  39. Yeti says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Its pretty clear the current Hitchcock/Yawney combination has zero interest in (a) splitting up Nurse/Russell and/or (b) doing any sort of experimenting to test if an incumbent may be able to provide value at 2RD (Sekera, Nurse, Klefbom).

    Could they trade them together, as a package?

  40. M00se1197 says:

    RumBurgundy,

    Cory Cross? Wasn’t he from the UofA?

  41. M00se1197 says:

    gregsaint,

    What about the fact Lucic is in the top 3 in hits!

  42. Dustylegnd says:

    Oilers GPG 20 th

    Oilers GA% 26 th

    Oilers PK% 30 th

    Oilers PP% 11 th

    Oilers PP% + PK % = 96.3% good teams have a combined percentage of 100% plus

    We cant score 5 x 5

    We can’t keep the puck out of our net 5 x 5 or short handed

    But management believes the team is close,

    They changed the head coach and nothing changed

    They changed the GM and nothing changed

    They gave an unproven Tender 4.5 mill x 3 years and he can’t catch, he runs very hot and cold and we have no acceptable back up on our horizon

    We have the 2nd and 6th over all scorers in the league yet we sit 25 th overall in goals scored

    All is well, everything is under control, no need to try anything new re: pro scouting and GM ship

    Cary on with your day and remember, Keith Gretzky is our man as long as we put Ken Holland over top of him, after all KH has done so well in the new NHL

  43. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY 24
    SJS 21
    VGK 14

    Central
    WPG 18
    NSH 15
    STL 11

    Wildcard
    DAL 9
    ARI 5

    Out of playoffs
    COL 3
    MIN 3
    CHI 2
    VAN -1
    EDM -2
    ANA -5
    LAK -14

    DAL and STL look like locks, but ARI, COL, MIN and CHI could all get the last spot. Relevant games will only include these 4 teams now.

    Relevant Wildcard games today: None

  44. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Eastern Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Atlantic
    TBY 43
    BOS 24
    TOR 18

    Metropolitan
    WSH 20
    NYI 18
    CAR 15

    Wildcard
    PIT 15
    CBJ 11

    Out of playoffs
    MTL 10
    PHI 5
    FLA 3
    BUF -1
    NYR -4
    NJD -11
    DET -11
    OTT -16

    CAR and PIT are *probably* in but will still include them in relevant games for now.

    Relevant Wildcard games today: None

  45. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Its pretty clear the current Hitchcock/Yawney combination has zero interest in (a) splitting up Nurse/Russell and/or (b) doing any sort of experimenting to test if an incumbent may be able to provide value at 2RD (Sekera, Nurse, Klefbom).

    One thing is interesting is the question of causality.

    Yawney was heralded as a defenseman whisperer coming out of that dman factory in Anaheim.

    Now, I’m not saying he’s not a dman whisperer per se, but there doesn’t appear to be much whispering going on this season.

    Could be that Anaheim’s drafting made him look like dman whisperer.

    Early in the season, there was signs of hope with talk of less d to d passing and forwards down low providing support.

    The Oilers haven’t placed much value on ‘puck moving’ d for quite a long time.

    Would love to see what this team would look like with a Klingberg, Hedman, OEL, Doughty, or Karlsson that could make a headman pass up the ice once in awhile on the tape.

    Note, I’m not blaming Yawning since I’m assuming it’s more an issue of the composition of dmen than a coaching issue.

  46. Buddy says:

    Reja: Randy Gregg. He played nine years for us.

    In the immortal words of Don Cherry, for a defenceman he made a pretty good doctor.

    Which is probably only funny to someone who listened to hockey broadcasters in the 1980s.

  47. Andy Dufresne says:

    How long is long? For Oilers Fans?

    I’m telling you, these walls are funny. First you hate them. Then you get used to them. Enough time passes, it gets so you depend on them. That’s institutionalized. Bring on the draft lottery!

  48. DBO says:

    Ryan,

    No one can make a dog fly. Sorry, but with half our dmen not able to make a pass out of their zone, there is nothing Yawney can do. Replace Russell, and suddenly Nurse looks better as a puck transporter, not passer. Benning and Sekera is solid, and with Klefbom on 1st pair they are fine. It’s the amount of minutes Russell plays and especially in his own zone to start, that kills our forwards in our transition game.

  49. Oilman99 says:

    Durag:
    Alpine,

    I was thinking the same thing. I can’t think of a single example of a player who came out of CIS to have an NHL career.

    Randy Gregg had a pretty good career. Commodore also had a good career.

  50. Oilman99 says:

    M00se1197:
    gregsaint,

    What about the fact Lucic is in the top 3 in hits!

    Can’t pass, cant take a pass, cant score,so we have a $6mil hitter,what a deal.

  51. russ99 says:

    DBO:
    Ryan,

    No one can make a dog fly. Sorry, but with half our dmen not able to make a pass out of their zone, there is nothing Yawney can do. Replace Russell, and suddenly Nurse looks better as a puck transporter, not passer. Benning and Sekera is solid, and with Klefbom on 1st pair they are fine. It’s the amount of minutes Russell plays and especially in his own zone to start, that kills our forwards in our transition game.

    Then why not play Nurse as a puck transporter? And Benning and Sekera sure don’t look solid behind our blue line without the puck

    Seems silly that we’re drilling down to one type of play to spring one type of zone entry, and ripping players/pairs who help in the D-zone often playing big minutes over their expected comp because of the lack of that play.

    The last two games aside where our forwards were outclassed by the opposition way more than our defensemen were, we were putting up 30 shots a night. Why is the lack of offense solely attributed to D-zone exits? The shots are there, maybe the quality and ability to put the puck on and in the net is way more to blame.

    Can’t wait for the chip data to finally kill the Corsi theorum of zone denial + stretch exit pass + rush entry = goals.

    Lots of different ways to score goals, other than just that. Just cause one type of math can predict goals doesn’t mean other types can’t – not to mention do a better job at it.

  52. Oilman99 says:

    Pouzar:
    Lagesson is the prospect I am most looking forward to seeing in April.
    Saw Benson last year and hoping the skating has improved.

    Here’s betting his skating is NHL quality by this fall,the young man is committed and will work on it this summer.

  53. Oilman99 says:

    Chico21:
    Cory Cross comes to mind from the U of A. But that’s not a very high ceiling.

    Just making it to the NHL, is a major accomplishment in it’s self, and should not be under rated.

  54. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Buyout Sekera?

    Why in the world would that be a reasonable option.

    Yes, he’s expensive but, worst case scenario, this team is better with him on the ice than without.

    I can’t imagine a series of transactions where Sekera is bought out and the saved cap space is used on a player that makes the team better than Sekera.

    Sekera is the only Dman that shows any ability to make a breakout pass.

  55. Ryan says:

    russ99: Can’t wait for the chip data to finally kill the Corsi theorum of zone denial + stretch exit pass + rush entry = goals.

    We know that controlled zone entries matter. Are you debating this?

    First, we found that a controlled zone entry results in more than twice as many unblocked shot attempts (fenwicks) as an uncontrolled entry. The amount for each is roughly .58 fenwicks per controlled entry and .26 fenwicks per each uncontrolled entry, but the exact amounts differ based upon who is doing the tracking.”

    https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/01/04/a-guide-to-neutral-zone-tracking-part-1-of-2-why-neutral-zone-statistics-matter/

    We know certain players like Klingerberg are in the 95th percentile for controlled zone entry stats and others like Russell are in around the 25th percentile.

    Controlled zone entries = offense.

    https://public.tableau.com/profile/christopher.turtoro#!/vizhome/2-yearA3ZPlayerComps/ComparisonDashboard

  56. Bag of Pucks says:

    LMHF#1:
    Not sure how serious Neilson is being. On one hand I’d simply say “typical Oilers”…on the other while I love a good UofA to NHL story…they are indeed rare.

    Nothing I’ve seen out of the discussions at the season ticket sessions gives me any pause. It’s the same old bad thinking. These guys do not know how to think…this is the problem. It’s all flavors of the month, old cliches, BS about culture, taking other teams’ stale ideas and copying them…none of this builds anything good. None of it.

    No indications of wholesale change, despite continuing, utter failure…in fact they still think they are close. Not only this – but you’ve got Bob saying “we’re going to do this and do that…” next year without a GM or a Coach chosen yet…why would any of those decisions already be made? They either aren’t and he’s ad-libbing, or they are and all the theories about other people really running things are true…neither is a good situation.

    I’ll also come back to one thing I simply won’t put down – Kris Russell is a terrible, terrible hockey player. He brings down the team, and whoever his D partner is…yet how many times has any member of the media gone directly at this problem and the other specific problems the Oilers have? Zero. It just isn’t done in this market.

    Complain all you want about Montreal, Toronto or New York…at least they don’t hold back and there is a positive pressure for things to get better. This kid-glove access-loving stuff doesn’t help anyone.

    ‘These guys do not know how to think.’

    That sums it up perfectly. 80s ‘gut feeling’ management style in a 2019 data driven world.

    And the underlying philosophy that empowers it is zero accountability for failure. If you got a ring in the glory days, you simply can’t be fired. You can fail up, sideways or down. But never out.

    Imagine the 2019 Lightning being run by Vinny Lecavelier, Dave Andreychuk, Martin St. Louis and Brad Richards. That is the Oilers. It’s a joke.

  57. Andy Dufresne says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    I never know what to call Nina Simone’s music, because there are elements of jazz, blues, folk and other influences.

    Man, gotta love those intense, edgy female vocalists [unlike, say, intense, edgy female spouses].

    Other examples Patti Smith, Ani DiFranco and, more obscurely, Nirmala Basnayake of controller.controller.

    LT have you ever done an all female (me too) RE series?

    Marriane Faithful The Ballad of Lucy Jordan
    Dixie Chicks Travelin Soldier Long Time Gone
    Allsion Krause Down to the River
    Linda Rhonstadt Poor Por Pityfull Me, Tumblin Dice
    Melanie Safska Look What theyve Done to My Song Ma
    Indigo Girls Closer to Fine
    Eva Cassidy Who knows where the time goes
    Judy Collins Send in the Clowns
    Melanie Lay Down ( Candles in the Rain ) Nickel Song
    Juice Newton Angel of he Morning Queen of Hearts Loves been Hard on me
    KD Lang Halleluja
    Heart Crazy onYou
    Bobby Gentry Ode to Billy Jo
    Donna Summer I Feel Love
    Tina Turner Nut Bush City Limits
    Adelle When We Were Young
    Stevie Nicks Edge of 17
    Patti Smith Because the Night
    Pat Benatar All Fired Up Wee Belong Hit me with you best shot Heart Breaker
    Joan Jett I love Rock n Roll Bad Reputation
    Annie Lennox
    Amy Winehouse
    Karen Carpenter
    Carly Simon
    Patsy Kline
    Rihanna
    Grace Slick Want Somebody to Love
    etc etc

  58. Wilde says:

    Ryan,

    There’s also the recent thing about pass completions within a short time frame of clean entries being predictive of points-per-60

    Honestly the empirical evidence is staggering and the only debate should be about “do tactics X and Y lead to clean entries, odd-man/rush situations, and therefore goals” and not “clean entries, odd-man/rushe situations don’t result in more goals”.

  59. Wilde says:

    So guys I wanted to see how the /other/ team to get brutally ravaged by Chiarelli (in the exact same fucking ways!) ended up recovering in a decent timeframe into a top-8 team, so I took apart Don Sweeney’s controversial first couple months in the job and looked at how much cap was dumped – and in which ways it was – in order to set an outer marker on how much cap a team can ‘realistically’ shed in one summer.

    Then I took the expendable asset list of the Oilers and saw how close it was.

    (But before that I spitefully went through all of the beautiful symmetry between the way the Bruins were dismantled post-2013 summer and the way the Oilers were post-2016 summer)

    Next, I tried to categorise the types of deals that the Bruins made in order to shed cap, while adding other historical examples to form a handbook on the different ways teams have evaded the salary cap under pressure of irresponsible management past – and therefore the realistic ways the Oilers could this summer as my contribution to the blow-up-the-team discourse.

    (and to tell you whether or not your eight-trade-summer daydreams are dumb or not)

    https://petropraxis.blogspot.com/2019/03/the-post-chiarelli-puzzle-has-been.html

  60. BONE207 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY 24
    SJS 21
    VGK 14

    Central
    WPG 18
    NSH 15
    STL 11

    Wildcard
    DAL 9
    ARI 5

    Out of playoffs
    COL 3
    MIN 3
    CHI 2
    VAN -1
    EDM -2
    ANA -5
    LAK -14

    DAL and STL look like locks, but ARI, COL, MIN and CHI could all get the last spot.Relevant games will only include these 4 teams now.

    Relevant Wildcard games today: None

    Thanks for all you do here.

    That includes my hockey watching schedule till the playoffs

  61. SkatinginSand says:

    Darth Tu:
    With Koskinen (and previously Brossoit, Talbot, etc.), how much of the issue is the goalies themselves, and how much is the coaching?Not to dump on Schwartz, but is he the right guy for the job?I’m no goalie so can’t really comment on the technicalities of the position, but I find it weird how often Koskinen seems able to make the big save in one on one situations, but then will give up garbage goals low against the post or around his glove.

    Any goalies or ex-tenders in here that maybe has some insight?

    </blockquote
    I am neither, but my son is a tender, and as a result, I have gotten to know some outstanding goalie instructors, so I will take a stab at this.
    It is impossible to evaluate a goalie coach based on what you see in one goalie, but the long term results from numerous goalies are concerning. Brossiot seemed to indicate that his new found game with the Jets was due more to the team in front of him than anything else.
    Koskinen's technique problems are real and they are spectacular. (The glove problem is the same as his blocker problem, he is pulling his hands back beside his body rather than having them in front of him, thus preventing him from getting them up on shots close to his shoulders.) At his size, he should be able to be a pure butterfly goalie, but his angles and body positioning are often so brutal that he doesn't give himself a chance to make a save. I find it difficult to place these problems on the goalie coach, they are ingrained and very difficult to change, especially for a 30 year old.
    An interesting story from one goalie instructor who is now a sports psychologist. (Brayden Holtby is a client) In the early 2000's, John was working as the Oilers' minor league goalie coach and part time scout. The Oilers brought in Pete Peters as their NHL goalie coach and he recommended they sign a free agent goalie from US college.
    John and Kevin Lowe were watching training camp and Lowe asked John what he thought of the new goalie. John's reply, "He looks like a beer league goalie."
    We all know how the Ty Conklin story ended.

  62. Soup Fascist says:

    I would definitely take the Russian at 7.

    Kirby Dachov ……. welcome to Edmonton!!!

    Dylan Cozenchuk would be an even better fit, kid seems to have a nose for the net, but I don’t think he will be there when the Oilers pick.

    But yeah there are a couple of good Russians I would be ok with.

  63. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    russ99,

    Can’t wait for the chip data to finally kill the Corsi theorum of zone denial + stretch exit pass + rush entry = goals.

    Everyone I know with access to SportslogIQ data says it doesn’t invalidate conclusions derived via corsi, but adds more granular data to it.

    Successful zone exits are crucial to creating shots for.

    Sorry Russ but you’ll have to bitch and moan about what puck tracking data will tell us as well.

  64. Soup Fascist says:

    Oilman99: Randy Gregg had a pretty good career. Commodore also had a good career.

    Did Mike Commodore ever wear number 64? If not, I feel a little cheated. Like Pat Maroon not willing to wear #5.

    I mean if Steve Heinz could wear #57. And Bob Beers settled on 24 (nickname was the Flat) …… I can’t believe a guy with Commodore’s sense of humour would have passed up that opportunity.

  65. OmJo says:

    Wilde: https://petropraxis.blogspot.com/2019/03/the-post-chiarelli-puzzle-has-been.html

    A good read.

    Sweeney put work in to fix Chiarelli’s mess. The problem with the Oilers is that people who helped Chiarelli make his mess here are still hanging around.

  66. flyfish1168 says:

    Coiler:
    Let Yamamoto stew in Bakersfield for the next 2 years and earn first line minutes. What’s the rush at this point?

    I agree. Best thing for him is time to grow some old man strengh and toughnest before coming up permanently.

  67. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    jtblack:
    LT:What is a sortie?(referring to nurse)

    – LT of course uses the correct military term, and I’ve always enjoyed when he trots out that phrase

    – Murray Walker, the legendary voice of F1: he used that phrase a lot: When Ayrton Senna for instance was in persuit of his nemisis Nigel Mansell: Senna would be behind him, and just to tease him out, he’d go wide, and of course he wasn’t going to be able to overtake Mansell this way, but he would be testing Mansell out, letting him know he’s hunting him down: all gloriously described by the wonderful Murray Walker who would exclaim: “And Senna goes wide on another sortie!”

    – Its a wonderful, exciting use of the word: to desribe the ferocity of the pursuit that Senna (and others) would do as they swing out wide, letting the pursued know what’s coming

    – Nurse ain’t no Senna, and his “sorties” mostly full of sound of fury signifying nothing, but it’s an apt description. And makes me smile everytime.

    – One of Murray’s great quotes was “His hopes which were nil before, are absolutely zero now”: this is us…

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard named OHL d-man of the month for March.

    I’m a bit surprised this didn’t go to Samorukov.

    A couple of fantastic prospects!

    Imagine if they both hit their ceilings and that’s our top pairing in 3 years or so……

  69. OmJo says:

    Red Wings sign Howard, $5.1M x 1yr.

    19-20-5, 3.05 GAA, 0.908 Sv%

  70. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Bouchard named OHL d-man of the month for March.

    I’m a bit surprised this didn’t go to Samorukov.

    A couple of fantastic prospects!

    Imagine if they both hit their ceilings and that’s our top pairing in 3 years or so……

    I’d split them so Nurse finally has someone decent to pair up with.

  71. dustrock says:

    I echo the question of whether or not the goaltending problem, beyond it being a problem with having crappy D, is from Schwartz coaching.

    I had a real problem with Talbot dropping his glove and going down too early.

    Now I see the identical problems with Koskinen.

    Get Schwartz out of there? I know he had a good reputation, but other than Talbot’s Vezina calibre season, it’s been a bit of a nightmare. Whatever happened to Talbot, Schwartz obviously couldn’t help him with it.

  72. dustrock says:

    Regarding Nurse, I’ve been saying to trade him for the last 2 years, but I’ve always had his ceiling lower than everyone else.

    I will point out though that many people were talking about how improved he was last year, and I note he was playing with Larsson for a large portion of that time.

  73. hunter1909 says:

    OmJo:
    Red Wings sign Howard, $5.1M x 1yr.

    19-20-5, 3.05 GAA, 0.908 Sv%

    Oilers don’t have the cojones to offer 1 year contracts to anyone; but especially goalies.

    Oilers prefer to offer NMC’s and 3-4 year contracts to borderline NHLers, so they won’t get hassled about that new fangled “cap space” that neither Lowe or MacT ever bothered to make any effort to learn – who can blame them just keep the wool pulled down over Katz’s eyes lol

  74. doritogrande says:

    I was thinking the same thing. I can’t think of a single example of a player who came out of CIS to have an NHL career.

    A couple Uof Manitoba alums had rather lengthy careers, both for entirely different reasons. Mike Ridley and Stu “Grim Reaper” Grimson.

  75. gregsaint says:

    Man, isn’t it beyond obvious that controlled zone entries are better than uncontrolled? Every break-away is a controlled zone entry, every 2 on 1 is a controlled zone entry, every odd man rush is a controlled zone entry. To think those don’t lead to more goals than a dump and chase is super dumb.

  76. hunter1909 says:

    dustrock:
    Regarding Nurse, I’ve been saying to trade him for the last 2 years, but I’ve always had his ceiling lower than everyone else.

    I will point out though that many people were talking about how improved he was last year, and I note he was playing with Larsson for a large portion of that time.

    How dare Nurse play well with Larson who is clearly a better defenceman than Russell is because Russell’s simply a bottom pairing guy and Nurse is a young player who needs experience to cover his shortcomings until he reaches 25-26 and is a complete excellent NHL defenceman. I understand the Oiler method of trading away the drafted players for other teams castoffs, in the hope you eventually “win” a trade but clearly the MO of these Oilers is so offer Hart trophy candidate wingers for moderately good defencemen; the spin being that wingers are the easiest thing to find…it’s sick.

  77. Darth Tu says:

    SkatinginSand:

    Thanks for this SkatingInSand, the “old dog/new tricks” factor is a real worry for me with Koskinen. I still have hope for him, but it’s been kind of shaken a little bit watching the last few games. Admittedly I wasn’t a fan of the starting him on two days consecutively at the weekend.

    Like I said earlier I wasn’t meaning it as a dump on Schwartz, I’m sure he’s doing the best he can with what he has to work with. Even going from the summer to the start of the season Koski seemed to rapidly improve, is he good enough to be a starter? Possibly not, but some of that improvement is most likely down to Schwartz. Do I think that Schwartz should be kept on if/when we get a new HC? I’m not so sure.

    In Brossoit’s case you’re right, he’s went from playing behind our veritable sieve of a D to being behind a solid unit in Winnipeg.

    As an aside, I’ve met Holtby – he’s a complete gentleman. Great inclusion of the Conklin story.

  78. Fiveinatrailer says:

    It seemed a little obvious at the time that as soon as Sekera was injured long term for this season the oilers would be in tough. Add in Klefbom and that’s all she wrote. So space tied up in a top 4 wounded d man and we didn’t have the depth to recover (have we ever?)

    I get the sense that hockey is a confidence sport. And the oilers have none. By this I mean, the d man doesn’t have confidence the goalie will stop an easy shot so he cheats a little to block the shot vs taking the man. The goalie has no confidence the d man will stop the pass so cheats a little and plays the pass. All of which lead to total breakdowns. “Do I cover for my partner or does he got this?”

    In the 2016 run, everyone was doing their jobknowing their partner was doing theirs. Once Sekera got
    Injured all the d men had to play up a notch and couldn’t do their jobs.

  79. Westchester Oil says:

    I’ve seen a number of comments here dismissing the importance of culture. As someone who has hired, fired and managed people over many years, I have learned that the importance of culture can not be underestimated. If the Oilers front office has a team made up of professionals who are smart, hungary and humble, good things will happen.

    Learning to let get of your biases and your ego and being willing to listen and consider the views of smart people around you unequivocally leads to better decisions.

  80. ArmchairGM says:

    dustrock: I will point out though that many people were talking about how improved he was last year, and I note he was playing with Larsson for a large portion of that time.

    Yeah, and his possession numbers (CF%, FF%, SF%, GF%) are all better without Larsson than with. Larsson’s numbers are all worse without Nurse.

  81. Fiveinatrailer says:

    Also Shirley Horne’s version of “love is the saddest thing when it goes away” can make a grown man weep.

  82. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    DBO:
    What scares me or saddens me most about this year is that if you added the top 5 forwards from Bakersfield along with Cave we are a much better team tehn our current one. ANd man is that an indictment of the pro scouting department and Chiarelli.

    Benson-Marody-Yamamoto
    Gamberadella-Cave-Currie

    is that not a much better bottom 6? And cheap. No way we go into next year with that many kids (although Cave, Currie, Gamberadella and Marody are all older so maybe it would work.)

    Draisatl-McDavid-Kassian
    Khaira-Nuge-Gagner

    Why the fuck not? I mean really. Maybe Yam another AHL year or half, but the rest – MosDef
    Next year is going to be another development year anyway…

  83. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    ArmchairGM: Yeah, and his possession numbers (CF%, FF%, SF%, GF%) are all better without Larsson than with. Larsson’s numbers are all worse without Nurse.

    – I’d bet a lot that’s becasue when Nurse doens’t play with Larsson, he doens’t face the other team’s top forwards. And I’d also bet a lot that’s because when Larsson plays with Klef, they face more difficult match-ups. I would also bet a lot that when Nurse plays with Larsson, Klef is injured, so that effects all the numbers, as the team sucks more. And I would also bet a lot that the time played together is fairly small, and establishing D-pair chemistry takes awhile to show up with better possession #’s

    – If your take-away from the extrapolation of those possession numbers is that Nurse > Larsson, I’m not buying.

  84. Professor Q says:

    Soup Fascist: Did Mike Commodore ever wear number 64?If not, I feel a little cheated. Like Pat Maroon not willing to wear#5.

    I mean if Steve Heinz could wear #57. And Bob Beers settled on 24 (nickname was the Flat) …… I can’t believe a guy with Commodore’s sense of humour would have passed up that opportunity.

    I think he thought about it but stuck with #2, #22, and similar numbers. The answer is here, as he wanted to wear it Detroit, but ended up staying (he just took what they gave him). He said that at the time he had the little voice saying that people would focus too much on him and make a joke out of it, but says now that he reflects on it he should have just done it.

    https://www.tsn.ca/commodore-takes-shift-as-an-uber-driver-1.591350

    Don’t forget about our dear N64, during his first year. I miss Yakupov.

  85. ArmchairGM says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I’d bet a lot that’s becasue when Nurse doens’t play with Larsson, he doens’t face the other team’s top forwards.And I’d also bet a lot that’s because when Larsson plays with Klef, they face more difficult match-ups. I would also bet a lot that when Nurse plays with Larsson, Klef is injured, so that effects all the numbers, as the team sucks more.And I would also bet a lot that the time played together is fairly small, and establishing D-pair chemistry takes awhile to show up with better possession #’s

    – If your take-away from the extrapolation of those possession numbers is that Nurse > Larsson, I’m not buying.

    You need to read the post I was replying to to understand the context of what I wrote. That post will also tell you that the time Nurse and Larsson spent together last year was significant.

  86. Bag of Pucks says:

    Westchester Oil:
    I’ve seen a number of comments here dismissing the importance of culture. As someone who has hired, fired and managed people over many years, I have learned that the importance of culture can not be underestimated. If the Oilers front office has a team made up of professionals who are smart, hungary and humble, good things will happen.

    Learning to let get of your biases and your ego and being willing to listen and consider the views of smart people around you unequivocally leads to better decisions.

    Burgers declared the next hire has to be a good fit with the existing culture. Why he would arrive at that conclusion when the brass that remains have accomplished squat in 13 years is beyond me. My faint hope for his ridiculous fact finding tour to find out how to hire properly is that a few of these folks are asking him why the org collects past failed GMs like precious hockey cards?

    The biggest issue with this culture is it equates being a past Oiler as a prereq for competence and security. Anyone coming in from the outside has to swim upstream against the red wine tides. That’s why this process is doomed from the start. No one of substantial talent is going to signup to have their fate determined by this entrenched group of entitled idiots.

    Life is too short to drink bad wine.

  87. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Wilde:
    So guys I wanted to see how the /other/ team to get brutally ravaged by Chiarelli (in the exact same fucking ways!) ended up recovering in a decent timeframe into a top-8 team, so I took apart Don Sweeney’s controversial first couple months in the job and looked at how much cap was dumped – and in which ways it was – in order to set an outer marker on how much cap a team can ‘realistically’ shed in one summer.

    Then I took the expendable asset list of the Oilers and saw how close it was.

    (But before that I spitefully went through all of the beautiful symmetry between the way the Bruins were dismantled post-2013 summer and the way the Oilers were post-2016 summer)

    Next, I tried to categorise the types of deals that the Bruins made in order to shed cap, while adding other historical examples to form a handbook on the different ways teams have evaded the salary cap under pressure of irresponsible management past – and therefore the realistic ways the Oilers could this summer as my contribution to the blow-up-the-team discourse.

    (and to tell you whether or not your eight-trade-summer daydreams are dumb or not)

    https://petropraxis.blogspot.com/2019/03/the-post-chiarelli-puzzle-has-been.html

    Thank you for a candle in the darkness.

  88. meanashell11 says:

    Andy Dufresne: LT have you ever done an all female (me too)RE series?

    Marriane FaithfulThe Ballad of Lucy Jordan
    Dixie ChicksTravelin Soldier Long Time Gone
    Allsion Krause Down to the River
    Linda Rhonstadt Poor Por Pityfull Me, Tumblin Dice
    Melanie Safska Look What theyve Done to My Song Ma
    Indigo Girls Closer to Fine
    Eva CassidyWho knows where the time goes
    Judy Collins Send in the Clowns
    MelanieLay Down ( Candles in the Rain ) Nickel Song
    Juice Newton Angel of he MorningQueen of Hearts Loves been Hard on me
    KD LangHalleluja
    Heart Crazy onYou
    Bobby Gentry Ode to Billy Jo
    Donna Summer I Feel Love
    Tina TurnerNut Bush City Limits
    Adelle When We Were Young
    Stevie NicksEdge of 17
    Patti SmithBecause the Night
    Pat Benatar All Fired UpWee BelongHit me with you best shot Heart Breaker
    Joan JettI love Rock n Roll Bad Reputation
    Annie Lennox
    Amy Winehouse
    Karen Carpenter
    Carly Simon
    Patsy Kline
    Rihanna
    Grace SlickWant Somebody to Love
    etc etc

    I would drop Rihanna and Karen Carpenter and add Grace Potter

  89. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Samorukov voted best defensive D-man in his conference, best bodychecker, and 3rd best PKer.

    Bouchard voted 3rd smartest player in his conference, 2nd hardest shot, and 3rd best offensive D-man.

    Maksimov 3rd hardest shot in his conference.

    http://ontariohockeyleague.com/article/2018-19-ohl-coaches-poll-winners

    Nothing for McLeod

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    Alpine:
    How many CIS players turn into something? I know his numbers look great but Philp is also 23.

    I’ve been asking the questions on how the top end CIS talent compares to the NCAA and, in particular, the prominent programs (N. Dakota, for example) and how the depth of teams would compare, etc.

    Its tough to get a good read. I think, in general, the CIS teams would beat more NCAA teams except maybe the top programs, however, the CIS teams are full of ex-CHL players and are a much older crew.

    I know Derek Ryan is the prime example of a CIS player that’s “made it” but he also toiled in Europe for a while and didn’t “make it” until he was 26/27, I don’t think.

    I’m not overly concerned about “losing” this player or the flames “getting” him.

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    Primetime: Now that the season is all but done, hopefully we see some movement in the D pairs to end the year?
    At the very least, give Benning another shot at 2RHD with Nurse, and Sekera/Russell as 3rd pair.
    At the very best, would love to see Lagesson called up for the final 10 games to give him a well deserved look in the show and a head start on next year.He played with Sekera during his conditioning stint and Seksy declared him NHL ready.Put the 2 of them on the 3rd pairing and sit Russell for the remaining games…maybe encourage him to increase his NMC list…..

    You would think we’d see it now but I have very little faith in it actually happening.

    Sure, we could “try” Benning there but that has been tried a few times and failed. I do think he has developed a bit throughout this year (maybe its just playing with Reggie lately) and its worth another try but I’d like to see one of the three lefties tried out there – Nurse, Klef and Sekera.

    I’m generally against d-men playing their off side if it can be avoided but it may not be avoidable next year (I think management will look at forwards more than 2RD).

    Lagesson does deserve it – he has been so good and improved month after month all year – at the same time, I think the Condors’ deserve have their team kept together as much as possible and to continue to develop and grow as a group and enjoy success.

    Also, only 1 call-up left.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu:
    With Koskinen (and previously Brossoit, Talbot, etc.), how much of the issue is the goalies themselves, and how much is the coaching?Not to dump on Schwartz, but is he the right guy for the job?I’m no goalie so can’t really comment on the technicalities of the position, but I find it weird how often Koskinen seems able to make the big save in one on one situations, but then will give up garbage goals low against the post or around his glove.

    Any goalies or ex-tenders in here that maybe has some insight?

    Noodles was giving props to Schwartz on the Nielson show this morning.

    That’s all I know on the subject.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Durag:
    Alpine,

    I was thinking the same thing. I can’t think of a single example of a player who came out of CIS to have an NHL career.

    Derek Ryan.

  94. Reja says:

    Ryan: One thing is interesting is the question of causality.

    Yawney was heralded as a defenseman whisperer coming out of that dman factory in Anaheim.

    Now, I’m not saying he’s not a dman whisperer per se, but there doesn’t appear to be much whispering going on this season.

    Could be that Anaheim’s drafting made him look like dman whisperer.

    Early in the season, there was signs of hope with talk of less d to d passing and forwards down low providing support.

    The Oilers haven’t placed much value on ‘puck moving’ d for quite a long time.

    Would love to see what this team would look like with a Klingberg, Hedman, OEL, Doughty, or Karlsson that could make a headman pass up the ice once in awhile on the tape.

    Note, I’m not blaming Yawning since I’m assuming it’s more an issue of the composition of dmen than a coaching issue.

    That’s why they drafted Bouchard. He can make and receive a pass very well.

  95. Reja says:

    Buddy: In the immortal words of Don Cherry, for a defenceman he made a pretty good doctor.

    Which is probably only funny to someone who listened to hockey broadcasters in the 1980s.

    Every broadcast for nine years would talk about how he was a doctor at least 3 times.Dr. Randy Gregg blah blah blah I’m sure he got sick of it as much as the the rest of us.He did his job defended the Ricki box and he could make a pass up ice.

  96. Reja says:

    Oilman99: Here’s betting his skating is NHL quality by this fall,the young man is committed and will work on it this summer.

    Bring him up get NHL dough a taste of it and see what we have it’s a no brainer.

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: The number that jumps out at me re: Yamamoto is that he was on ice for 17 GF and has 17 points. Talk about carrying your linemates! He IS the offense when he’s on the ice.

    Well, not necessarily – Benson and, in particular, Marody drive that line much of the time.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chico21:
    Cory Cross comes to mind from the U of A. But that’s not a very high ceiling.

    If we sign any 23 year old out of the CIS that goes on to play almost 700 NHL games, well, even if he is a “flawed” player, that’s a massive success.

  99. Nit64 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Burgers declared the next hire has to be a good fit with the existing culture.

    Good fit? New hire had better be good at fitting cement shoes to anyone buried in the existing head office culture.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar:
    Lagesson is the prospect I am most looking forward to seeing in April.
    Saw Benson last year and hoping the skating has improved.

    I’ve been talking about Lagesson for 3 years now – so happy he’s been able to keep developing, year after year, and, this year, month after month. He is a “new-age” defensive d-man – a defense first guy (poor man’s Jason Smith in that area) but also a good skater and puck mover. His box-cars are a bit of a surprise but I never expected him to be a black hole offensively, he has talent.

    I’ve watched alot of Condors this year and can confirm that Benson’s skating has indeed improved, markedly, over the year. He’s worked very hard from accounts.

  101. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    ArmchairGM: You need to read the post I was replying to to understand the context of what I wrote. That post will also tell you that the time Nurse and Larsson spent together last year was significant.

    – Thought you were saying that Larsson > Nurse? I like Nurse, squint hard, he has more “tools” than Larsson. Nurse would also benefit from having a better partner than Russell. I’d love to see Nurse-Dumba for instance. Nurse hasn’t ever been partnered with a “better” D on the 2nd pairing: that would help the team a lot IMO.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99: Agree. Most players only spend a few years in the AHL. Don’t want to rush but also don’t want to overcook Detroit style.

    If our centers next year are McDavid, Leon, Nuge, Cave and possibly Gagner (in a good forward group, he’d be a solid 3C)maybe it makes sense to give Marody a shot at wing. He’s the closest to ready IMO.

    After that “character” blather from Burger Bob, I’d think we’re stuck with Kassian and probably Lucic in the bottom six.

    Although Marody has the skill-set to play center I’m not sure that his boots will allow for that at the NHL level – his skating has an express hindrance during his brief call-up. He doesn’t look slow at the AHL level but he sure did in the NHL.

    Marody may be a winger at the NHL level.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: One thing is interesting is the question of causality.

    Yawney was heralded as a defenseman whisperer coming out of that dman factory in Anaheim.

    Now, I’m not saying he’s not a dman whisperer per se, but there doesn’t appear to be much whispering going on this season.

    Could be that Anaheim’s drafting made him look like dman whisperer.

    Early in the season, there was signs of hope with talk of less d to d passing and forwards down low providing support.

    The Oilers haven’t placed much value on ‘puck moving’ d for quite a long time.

    Would love to see what this team would look like with a Klingberg, Hedman, OEL, Doughty, or Karlsson that could make a headman pass up the ice once in awhile on the tape.

    Note, I’m not blaming Yawning since I’m assuming it’s more an issue of the composition of dmen than a coaching issue.

    I remember at the initial stages of the season seeing some material improvements in the play of the defensive group – more aggresive defending the blue line and a clear intent to move the puck up the ice quicker and faster.

    In particular, Kris Russell showed a marked increase in these areas.

    Unfortunately, it only last about a month with Russell and he regressed (and recently has regressed to even below his historical abilities, to my eye). It didn’t last that long with the entire defensive group, as a whole.

    I think it s a talent/skill issue – its not like they didn’t want to move the puck quicker in previous years they just don’t have the ability to (Larsson, Russell and Nurse) – Nurse can move it by skating but that is always less efficient that a crisp outlet pass to a forward.

    ———————-

    Maybe Dave Manson is the next d-whisperer?

  104. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Well, not necessarily – Benson and, in particular, Marody drive that line much of the time.

    Haha, of course they do. But it’s pretty amazing that there hasn’t been a single GF that Yamamoto hasn’t touched. It’s a pretty rare stat line.

  105. JOFA says:

    Westchester Oil:
    I’ve seen a number of comments here dismissing the importance of culture. As someone who has hired, fired and managed people over many years, I have learned that the importance of culture can not be underestimated. If the Oilers front office has a team made up of professionals who are smart, hungary and humble, good things will happen.

    Learning to let get of your biases and your ego and being willing to listen and consider the views of smart people around you unequivocally leads to better decisions.

    That’s what the Oilers are missing. More Hungarians😉

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: A good read.

    Sweeney put work in to fix Chiarelli’s mess. The problem with the Oilers is that people who helped Chiarelli make his mess here are still hanging around.

    Maybe they should hire Sweeney…………..

  107. ArmchairGM says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Thought you were saying that Larsson > Nurse?I like Nurse, squint hard, he has more “tools” than Larsson.Nurse would also benefit from having a better partner than Russell.I’d love to see Nurse-Dumba for instance.Nurse hasn’t ever been partnered with a “better” D on the 2nd pairing: that would help the team a lot IMO.

    I wasn’t arguing about which player is better, just countering the claim that Nurse’s numbers last year were only good because he played with Larsson, which simply isn’t true.

    Yes, I’d love to see Nurse with a competent partner too. Dumba would be a dream, I’d settle for Stralman at this point though.

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Samorukov voted best defensive D-man in his conference, best bodychecker, and 3rd best PKer.

    Bouchard voted 3rd smartest player in his conference, 2nd hardest shot, and 3rd best offensive D-man.

    Maksimov 3rd hardest shot in his conference.

    http://ontariohockeyleague.com/article/2018-19-ohl-coaches-poll-winners

    Nothing for McLeod

    Its amazing to see those defensive accolades for Samorukov – I don’t think may casual Oiler fans realize that he was drafted as a 2-way guy but likely more for his defensive acumen than his offensive.

    Those accolades along with his recent massive spike offensively warm the heart.

    This man can defend, can excel at both special teams, can be a physical presence and can skate, pass and shoot at a plus level.

    He’s got the best range of skills of any current Oiler prospect – a true #1D skill-set.

    No saying he’ll get there but his ceiling is a #1 guy.

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Bring him up get NHL dough a taste of it and see what we have it’s a no brainer.

    Nope, if any skilled forward is to get the call, it would be Marody I’m sure – and they only have one call-up left.

    Gretzky was also VERY express about a month ago that Benson is not getting called up this year, at all and he spoke to Tyler about that (plus communication) and Tyler understands.

    Let the kids continue to develop – Yamamoto, Benson, Marody – rookie pros.

  110. Reja says:

    dustrock:
    I echo the question of whether or not the goaltending problem, beyond it being a problem with having crappy D, is from Schwartz coaching.

    I had a real problem with Talbot dropping his glove and going down too early.

    Now I see the identical problems with Koskinen.

    Get Schwartz out of there?I know he had a good reputation, but other than Talbot’s Vezina calibre season, it’s been a bit of a nightmare.Whatever happened to Talbot, Schwartz obviously couldn’t help him with it.

    When Talbot was between the pipes the whole league was going high glove or blocker it was obvious and they exploited it and he got a pass. Kosh on his knees same style as Talbot and they’re all over him like a Dog on a bone trying to run him out of town. Schwartz has to be related to someone high on the food chain. If I was the new Sheriff in town he would be hitch hiking a ride from a Newfie out of Oilerville.

  111. SkatinginSand says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Some years ago, I watched the Golden Bears play an NCAA Div. 1 team going back after a Christmas tournament in Alaska. I cannot remember who it was, it was a good team, but no threat for the Frozen Four. They played their no. 3 goalie (first start in 4 years in the program) and still beat the Bears handily.

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    Vincent Desharnais name Hockey East Defensive Defenceman of the Year.

    12 points in 39 games is solid.

    I think he’s got another year of college eligibility (not positive though).

  113. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’ve been talking about Lagesson for 3 years now – so happy he’s been able to keep developing, year after year, and, this year, month after month. He is a “new-age” defensive d-man – a defense first guy (poor man’s Jason Smith in that area) but also a good skater and puck mover.His box-cars are a bit of a surprise but I never expected him to be a black hole offensively, he has talent.

    I’ve watched alot of Condors this year and can confirm that Benson’s skating has indeed improved, markedly, over the year.He’s worked very hard from accounts.

    I’ve only started watching the Condors since part way through the epic win streak, but I do agree, Benson looks a heck of a lot better with regards to his skating than he did in pre-season. I look forward to seeing him in the NHL in the future.

  114. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Nope, if any skilled forward is to get the call, it would be Marody I’m sure – and they only have one call-up left.

    Gretzky was also VERY express about a month ago that Benson is not getting called up this year, at all and he spoke to Tyler about that (plus communication) and Tyler understands.

    Let the kids continue to develop – Yamamoto, Benson, Marody – rookie pros.

    Meant to post the comments about bringing up Lagesson not benson. Fricking phone can’t see small lettering anymore.

  115. Buddy says:

    Others have probably already seen Bob Green’s comments on Reinhart when he was acquired, but I’d never seen the actual quote until this morning:
    https://twitter.com/ZainL96/status/1088180549137555456?s=19

    Maybe I’m alone here, but nothing is more important than the Oilers getting their scouting and drafting in order. Nicholson has mentioned drafting but it doesn’t sound like it’s at the top of his purify the water list.

    The only way to not only turn this gong show around but actually legitimately contend while McDavid still skates in orange is through above average drafting.

    Not “our last couple drafts are maybe trending okay, if you squint real hard” drafting, but above average. Although hell, even average would be whole orders of magnitude better than now.

    Compare Columbus — they had meetings to try to figure out what on earth happened in the whole William Karlsson fiasco. Us and l’affaire Chiarelli, not so much.

    Offensive and defensive coordinators get fired in the NFL for one bad play call at the wrong time. How Green has kept his job after the Reinhart trade is just one of those wonderful mysteries that we all love about this club.

    The comments to the twitter post above are pretty funny, by the way.

  116. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’ve been talking about Lagesson for 3 years now – so happy he’s been able to keep developing, year after year, and, this year, month after month. He is a “new-age” defensive d-man – a defense first guy (poor man’s Jason Smith in that area) but also a good skater and puck mover.His box-cars are a bit of a surprise but I never expected him to be a black hole offensively, he has talent.

    I’ve watched alot of Condors this year and can confirm that Benson’s skating has indeed improved, markedly, over the year.He’s worked very hard from accounts.

    Good stuff. Can’t wait to see em live.

  117. YKOil says:

    So, let’s say that you are the Oiler’s GM and it hasn’t been a great off-season. To-date the best you have done is re-sign Khaira and trade Manning (albeit with $1.0 million retained salary). Time is getting short and nothing else is out there.

    But you have had an interesting call with the KIngs…

    They are looking to trade Quick and Phaneuf. They are willing to take Koskinen and Lucic* but want some extra pieces back.

    So… are you interested, and if so, what is the price you would pay?

    * after the signing bonus is paid of course.

  118. John Chambers says:

    Wilde:
    So guys I wanted to see how the /other/ team to get brutally ravaged by Chiarelli (in the exact same fucking ways!) ended up recovering in a decent timeframe into a top-8 team, so I took apart Don Sweeney’s controversial first couple months in the job and looked at how much cap was dumped – and in which ways it was – in order to set an outer marker on how much cap a team can ‘realistically’ shed in one summer.

    Then I took the expendable asset list of the Oilers and saw how close it was.

    (But before that I spitefully went through all of the beautiful symmetry between the way the Bruins were dismantled post-2013 summer and the way the Oilers were post-2016 summer)

    Next, I tried to categorise the types of deals that the Bruins made in order to shed cap, while adding other historical examples to form a handbook on the different ways teams have evaded the salary cap under pressure of irresponsible management past – and therefore the realistic ways the Oilers could this summer as my contribution to the blow-up-the-team discourse.

    (and to tell you whether or not your eight-trade-summer daydreams are dumb or not)

    https://petropraxis.blogspot.com/2019/03/the-post-chiarelli-puzzle-has-been.html

    This was an awesome read. I’ve had a lot of similar thoughts in terms of achieving cap flexibility, but you spell it out expertly here.

  119. leadfarmer says:

    YKOil,

    That’s tough. Quick will recover some next year but unfortunately he keeps getting injured. 4 more years too if the wheels fall off

  120. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Buddy,

    – Thanks for this: and yes the comments are very funny

    – Bob is lying as well: he came out and said to the tickeholders that Lowe is not involved in hockey stuff, yet scroll down the link and there’s Lowe saying: “Griff should help us and step in next year”

    – If gets me so angry: we have liars on top, thinking the team is still playoffs to boot.

    – And they were working real hard to do stuff at deadline

    – And they realize that losing Hendo was a massive blow to the organization.

    – And while they disclose they don’t use stats much, getting the right Oil Culture is key for next hire (the culture that doesn’t like stats).

    – And Hitch is coming back in some capacity: because he wasn’t a good coach this year, and was retired before, so promote him up to hang out with the gang.

    – And Keith is doing a great job fitting in with the group, really gelling and open with everyone

    – And Bob (not a hockey guy) thinks they need a #2 D

    – And they haven’t interviewed one candidate: Bob’s had lots of great chats, he’s learning a lot

  121. Reja says:

    We need to dump cap and get a valuable player back. I see two realistic opions trade the first our second with assets are trade Nurse or kelbom. RNH you’ll never get full value sell high buy low where is NY BACK PACKER loved is take on things.

  122. YKOil says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Buyout Sekera? Why in the world would that be a reasonable option.

    Yes, he’s expensive but, worst case scenario, this team is better with him on the ice than without.

    I can’t imagine a series of transactions where Sekera is bought out and the saved cap space is used on a player that makes the team better than Sekera.

    Lucic and Russell go before Sekera imo BUT if the only play is to do something with Sekera then there will be quite a few viable trade options. Sekera’s contract, at two years left and with Pay less than Cap (by a cool million), makes him a viable trade candidate.

    He is a smart, smart player so any team with cap space and looking for a veteran d-man will have some interest imo. Columbus is a team that comes to mind. Sekera for Savard, with one side putting in pieces to match, is a discussion I can easily see the two teams having.

    Hell, depending on what key pieces Columbus can keep, if any, there may be a hell of an off-load rebuild ready to happen there this off-season. Of course.. if ever there was a team that should make an aggressive play for Marner…

  123. Munny says:

    I always think about “Feeling Good” when I think of Nina Simone.

    …But never when I think about the Oilers.

  124. YKOil says:

    leadfarmer:
    YKOil,
    That’s tough.Quick will recover some next year but unfortunately he keeps getting injured.4 more years too if the wheels fall off

    I know, but this is where risk management comes in.

    — If Quick recovers – great.
    — If he doesn’t then odds are good he LTIR’s for the remainder of his contract.
    — Even then, the last 3 years of his contract are AMAZING for purposes of trade.*

    * Pay is $3.5m / $3.0m / $2.5m while Cap is $5.8m all three years

    The real value is, of course, trading Lucic.

    Phaneuf’s contract is shorter and cheaper on the Cap and that alone is worth looking at a trade like this. This may not be a trade that just ‘deals-with-the-problem’ but it is one that ratchets the risk down and that is still valuable. Also, in the last year Phaneuf becomes a viable deadline trade deal (albeit a hard one) or a viable buy-out candidate ($5 million Cap in yr 1 and $1 million Cap in yr 2).

  125. Reja says:

    YKOil: Lucic and Russell go before Sekera imo BUT if the only play is to do something with Sekera then there will be quite a few viable trade options.Sekera’s contract, at two years left and with Pay less than Cap (by a cool million), makes him a viable trade candidate.

    He is a smart, smart player so any team with cap space and looking for a veteran d-man will have some interest imo.Columbus is a team that comes to mind.Sekera for Savard, with one side putting in pieces to match, is a discussion I can easily see the two teams having.

    Hell, depending on what key pieces Columbus can keep, if any, there may be a hell of an off-load rebuild ready to happen there this off-season.Of course.. if ever there was a team that should make an aggressive play for Marner…

    The Blue Jackets are going to be busy this spring we need to pounce on them if there’s a window.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Vincent Desharnais name Hockey East Defensive Defenceman of the Year.

    12 points in 39 games is solid.

    I think he’s got another year of college eligibility (not positive though).

    YKOil: Lucic and Russell go before Sekera imo BUT if the only play is to do something with Sekera then there will be quite a few viable trade options.Sekera’s contract, at two years left and with Pay less than Cap (by a cool million), makes him a viable trade candidate.

    He is a smart, smart player so any team with cap space and looking for a veteran d-man will have some interest imo.Columbus is a team that comes to mind.Sekera for Savard, with one side putting in pieces to match, is a discussion I can easily see the two teams having.

    Hell, depending on what key pieces Columbus can keep, if any, there may be a hell of an off-load rebuild ready to happen there this off-season.Of course.. if ever there was a team that should make an aggressive play for Marner…

    You speak to, not only trading him, but trading him for value.

    I was responding to the suggestion of buying him out (egregious).

    Those are the opposite ends of the spectrum.

    I agree with you.

  127. leadfarmer says:

    YKOil,

    Well there’s always the possibility that he just Schneider’s his way
    Not good enough to play not damaged enough to Ltir
    Either way. Phaneuf has only couple years left and they stick by quick

  128. Scungilli Slushy says:

    For CIS players who made the NHL there is Randy Gregg, but a year on the national team and one in Japan in between.

  129. Scungilli Slushy says:

    gregsaint:
    Re: Russell…if I never again have to hear the Oiler’s play by play mention how an Oiler’s D is 3rd in the league in shot blocking, I would be much happier.

    Me too.

    If players are getting hit with pucks because they are in lanes great, but the attempted goaltending we see in sticking legs out, starfish, batting at pucks and how many own deflections we’ve seen for GA sucks.

    Even Don Cherry thinks it’s stupid. You are either in position or not. If not let the goalies do their job and get back in position

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Samorukov voted best defensive D-man in his conference, best bodychecker, and 3rd best PKer.

    Bouchard voted 3rd smartest player in his conference, 2nd hardest shot, and 3rd best offensive D-man.

    Maksimov 3rd hardest shot in his conference.

    http://ontariohockeyleague.com/article/2018-19-ohl-coaches-poll-winners

    Nothing for McLeod

    Also to note: Maksimov was voted 3rd hardest shot

  131. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ryan: One thing is interesting is the question of causality.

    Yawney was heralded as a defenseman whisperer coming out of that dman factory in Anaheim.

    Now, I’m not saying he’s not a dman whisperer per se, but there doesn’t appear to be much whispering going on this season.

    Could be that Anaheim’s drafting made him look like dman whisperer.

    Early in the season, there was signs of hope with talk of less d to d passing and forwards down low providing support.

    The Oilers haven’t placed much value on ‘puck moving’ d for quite a long time.

    Would love to see what this team would look like with a Klingberg, Hedman, OEL, Doughty, or Karlsson that could make a headman pass up the ice once in awhile on the tape.

    Note, I’m not blaming Yawning since I’m assuming it’s more an issue of the composition of dmen than a coaching issue.

    I’m not sure the assistant coaches on the Oilers do much on their own. I get the feeling they carry out what they’re told to do.

    Vivieros is brought in but doesn’t run PP, a strength of his.

    McLellan and Hitch are very similar. They insist on a certain way, and it’s their way regardless of roster. They get fixated on certain things which I believe are related to data they have collected for them that reinforces what they already think, and it’s wrong minded. Or out of date. Obviously.

  132. Scungilli Slushy says:

    One thing about the D is how often do you see a forward in a good position to pass to?

    Not often. You also don’t see enough evasive moves to shake the forecheck and open a lane. It’s easier when you have a capable partner who is also reading the play and giving a good safety outlet.

  133. Glovjuice says:

    meanashell11: I would drop Rihanna and Karen Carpenter and add Grace Potter

    Kate Bush

  134. godot10 says:

    RumBurgundy:
    Only CIS player I can remember to have success in the NHL is Steve Rucchin.

    Randy Gregg, Paul McLean, Steve Rucchin, Cory Cross, Joel Ward, Derek Ryan

    (Dave Hindmarsh, Ian Herbers)

  135. Professor Q says:

    godot10: Randy Gregg, Paul McLean, Steve Rucchin, Cory Cross, Joel Ward, Derek Ryan

    (Dave Hindmarsh, Ian Herbers)

    Does Mike Danton count?

  136. godot10 says:

    YKOil:
    So, let’s say that you are the Oiler’s GM and it hasn’t been a great off-season.To-date the best you have done is re-sign Khaira and trade Manning (albeit with $1.0 million retained salary).Time is getting short and nothing else is out there.

    But you have had an interesting call with the KIngs…

    They are looking to trade Quick and Phaneuf.They are willing to take Koskinen and Lucic* but want some extra pieces back.

    So… are you interested, and if so, what is the price you would pay?

    * after the signing bonus is paid of course.

    I have been saying, if the Oilers win one of the top two lottery positions and LA slides in the draft, trade Hughes or Kakko with Lucic to LA for their lower pick and one of their bad contracts.

  137. godot10 says:

    godot10: Randy Gregg, Paul McLean, Steve Rucchin, Cory Cross, Joel Ward, Derek Ryan

    (Dave Hindmarsh, Ian Herbers)

    Can’t believe I forogt Mike Ridley….shame on me.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rodrigue is healthy to start the playoff. Good stuff.

  139. Reja says:

    Glovjuice: Kate Bush

    Listen to The Trip by Still Corners what a peaceful song.

  140. Pescador says:

    Professor Q: Does Mike Danton count?

    It was 2 counts
    IIRC

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: I have been saying, if the Oilers win one of the top two lottery positions and LA slides in the draft, trade Hughes or Kakko with Lucic to LA for their lower pick and one of their bad contracts.

    Wait, downgrading to a lower tier in the draft and taking back an anchor contract?

    I think the gap between Hughes/Kakko and anyone below them is too large.

  142. Westchester Oil says:

    Glovjuice: Kate Bush

    If you want to listen to great female musicians, go onto You Tube and listen to Heart’s Led Zeppelin covers. Absolutely brilliant!

  143. jp says:

    Ryan: We know certain players like Klingerberg are in the 95th percentile for controlled zone entry stats and others like Russell are in around the 25th percentile.

    Controlled zone entries = offense.

    https://public.tableau.com/profile/christopher.turtoro#!/vizhome/2-yearA3ZPlayerComps/ComparisonDashboard

    Any idea if there’s a way to get/view the whole data set? Kinda wanted to do an eye test for who’s best in class for the various metrics. Not easy with the 2 player comparison platform.

    I tried the “download workbook” and even downloaded Tableau to open it. The damn download was just the Ekblad-Deangelo comparison.

  144. Ryan says:

    jp: Any idea if there’s a way to get/view the whole data set? Kinda wanted to do an eye test for who’s best in class for the various metrics. Not easy with the 2 player comparison platform.

    I tried the “download workbook” and even downloaded Tableau to open it. The damn download was just the Ekblad-Deangelo comparison.

    It’s Cory Sznajder’s data, this is just CJ Turturo’s interface.

    There’s also an interface just for this season’s dataset.

    https://public.tableau.com/profile/christopher.turtoro#!/vizhome/ZoneTransitionsper60/Entries

    In an alternate universe, we have three of the top four zone entry / 60 forwards.

    Hall, Barzal, and McDavid.

  145. silasbengtsson says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I don’t agree that the difference is huge enough to take on what is perhaps the league’s worst contract for another 4 years. I’d take Byram and 24mil in cap space over 4 year before I’d take Hughes or Kakko. Maybe I overestimate Byram, though.

    There are probably better ways to rid ourselves of Lucic, but I feel the cost for getting out of Lucic’s contract scot-free is being underestimated.

  146. Ryan says:

    Ryan,

    Pretty sure the entries / 60 stat doesn’t pass the eye test. :p

    No way these guys lead the league in controlled entries / 60.

    1. Barzal
    2. Hall
    3. Gaudreau
    4. McDavid
    5. Mackinnon
    6. Schmaltz
    7. Kane
    8. Larkin
    9. Burakovsky
    10. Eichel
    11. Happy to see you
    12. Kucherov

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    silasbengtsson:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I don’t agree that the difference is huge enough to take on what is perhaps the league’s worst contract for another 4 years. I’d take Byram and 24mil in cap space over 4 year before I’d take Hughes or Kakko. Maybe I overestimate Byram, though.

    There are probably better ways to rid ourselves of Lucic, but I feel the cost for getting out of Lucic’s contract scot-free is being underestimated.

    I think you are missing an important part of the proposed deal – in addition to the material downgrade in the pick, we are taking a bad contract back so its not a gain of $6M X 4.

  148. Glovjuice says:

    Reja: Listen to The Trip by Still Cornerswhat a peaceful song.

    It’s fantastic. Like a female sung The War on Drugs (check these guys out if you haven’t). For sure you need seek out the album Modern Kosmology by Jane Weaver. And the band Stereolab (start with first 3-4 albums).

  149. Glovjuice says:

    Westchester Oil: If you want to listen to great female musicians, go onto You Tube and listen to Heart’s Led Zeppelin covers. Absolutely brilliant!

    She can hit Plants notes even better than he can. Sort of like Kim Carnes singing Rod Stewart. Incidentally, the first 20 seconds of Betty Davies Eyes is such a glorious entrance to a song and one of the best beginnings of all time.

  150. jp says:

    Ryan:
    Ryan,

    Pretty sure the entries / 60 stat doesn’t pass the eye test.:p

    No way these guys lead the league in controlled entries / 60.

    1. Barzal
    2. Hall
    3. Gaudreau
    4. McDavid
    5. Mackinnon
    6. Schmaltz
    7. Kane
    8. Larkin
    9. Burakovsky
    10. Eichel
    11. Happy to see you
    12. Kucherov

    Thanks, and yeah, Chiarelli.

    But I guess that means the data set isn’t available? This is nice obviously, but it would still be nice to browse what you want. For instance the D leaders are good, but not elite players like this list.

  151. Ryan says:

    jp: Thanks, and yeah, Chiarelli.

    But I guess that means the data set isn’t available? This is nice obviously, but it would still be nice to browse what you want. For instance the D leaders are good, but not elite players like this list.

    Cory has a tableau too.

    https://public.tableau.com/profile/corey.sznajder#!/

  152. silasbengtsson says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think you are missing an important part of the proposed deal – in addition to the material downgrade in the pick, we are taking a bad contract back so its not a gain of $6M X 4.

    Nah, I caught that. Just figured it’d come in the form of a contract that’s not AS bad. Not sure who (Phaneuf?), but they’ve got some rough ones.

    EDIT: Which I now recognize would necessitate an adjustment in the total of my 24mil number. I stand by that 11.5 over 2 is a vast enough improvement on 24mil over 4 to balance a trade down from Hughes/Kakko to Byram, though.

  153. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: I have been saying, if the Oilers win one of the top two lottery positions and LA slides in the draft, trade Hughes or Kakko with Lucic to LA for their lower pick and one of their bad contracts.

    I’m not sure this would be helpful. Hughes or Kakko in their ELC would be cheap for three years. You would get much more out of Hughes and Lucic for three years than Byram and a bad LA contract.

  154. silasbengtsson says:

    JimmyV1965,

    I disagree. In the short term, yes but not beyond that. Byram is eligible for two more years in juniors so we could be talking about an ELC-cheap and offensively talented impact Dman two years post draft. That’s a difference maker starting in 2021 that might help maximize and/or expand our ‘window’ for effectively than another elite forward fresh outta the minors.

    If you’re like me and think our competitive window to starts after next year (assuming mildly competent management), then I think Byram plays to that better than a Kakko or Hughes both by position and delayed gratification.

  155. Kinger_Oil.redux says:
  156. YKOil says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m not sure this would be helpful. Hughes or Kakko in their ELC would be cheap for three years. You would get much more out of Hughes and Lucic for three years than Byram and a bad LA contract.

    If LA drops to 3rd or lower then there may be a deal there. Depends on how much better they see Hughes/Kakko becoming vs. Cozens and Dach.

    Wouldn’t want a bad salary back myself. Just take Lucic, with $2 million salary retained, and Manning. If I could get:

    3rd/4th overall, a salary filler contract of some ‘b’ level prospect and Washington’s 3rd rounder
    FOR
    1st/2nd overall, Lucic ($2m retained) and Manning

    I would also do:

    3rd/4th overall and Kovalchuk
    FOR
    1st/2nd overall, Lucic and Manning

    and I would also do:

    3rd/4th overall, Phaneuf and Washington’s 3rd rounder
    FOR
    1st/2nd overall, Lucic and Manning

    I do any of those deals every damn day. LA gets a centerpiece talent to rebuild around and we get rid of deadweight salary while still drafting a guy like Cozens.

    Kovalchuk doesn’t solve our issues btw – he’s just in there to even up salaries. I believe LA will be lucky to get more than a 2nd round pick, or equivalent, for Kovalchuk (not that he would come here but maybe he would – McDavid/Draisaitl/RNH gives him any combination of decent centres… of course he also loses Doughty so…).

  157. JimmyV1965 says:

    silasbengtsson:
    JimmyV1965,

    I disagree. In the short term, yes but not beyond that. Byram is eligible for two more years in juniors so we could be talking about an ELC-cheap and offensively talented impact Dman two years post draft. That’s a difference maker starting in 2021 that might help maximize and/or expand our ‘window’ for effectively than another elite forward fresh outta the minors.

    If you’re like me and think our competitive window to starts after next year (assuming mildly competent management), then I think Byram plays to that better than a Kakko or Hughes both by position and delayed gratification.

    I think the only way this makes sense is if you believe Byram will have a greater impact long term than Hughes or Kakko. When these two players exit their ELC in three years, Lucic will only have one year left on his deal. By that time his deal will be moveable.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    OHL Playoffs start tonight with Niagara vs. North Bay and Saginaw vs. Sarnia

  159. ArmchairGM says:

    silasbengtsson: Nah, I caught that. Just figured it’d come in the form of a contract that’s not AS bad. Not sure who (Phaneuf?), but they’ve got some rough ones.

    EDIT: Which I now recognize would necessitate an adjustment in the total of my 24mil number. I stand by that 11.5 over 2 is a vast enough improvement on 24mil over 4 to balance a trade down from Hughes/Kakko to Byram, though.

    That depends on what you do with the extra money, of course.

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maybe I am over-valuing the gap between Hughes/Kakko and the next tier.

  161. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Maybe I am over-valuing the gap between Hughes/Kakko and the next tier.

    Another thing: while I like Byram and think he’s going to be a good player down the road, he’s of less importance to the Oilers because of the LHD depth chart. Although there are a few good forwards at the 3,4,5 area who could be 85% of a Kakko or Hughes, so maybe the trade idea would work out.

  162. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Trimming cap fat and adding speed and skill will shape Oilers’ offseason

    https://theathletic.com/877206/2019/03/21/lowetide-trimming-cap-fat-and-adding-speed-and-skill-will-shape-oilers-offseason/

  163. Yeti says:

    Lowetide:
    For The Athletic: Trimming cap fat and adding speed and skill will shape Oilers’ offseason

    https://theathletic.com/877206/2019/03/21/lowetide-trimming-cap-fat-and-adding-speed-and-skill-will-shape-oilers-offseason/

    Trimming cap fat? That sounds like a euphemism for this team. I worry that dealing with cap obesity might be more accurate.

  164. YKOil says:

    JimmyV1965: I think the only way this makes sense is if you believe Byram will have a greater impact long term than Hughes or Kakko. When these two players exit their ELC in three years, Lucic will only have one year left on his deal. By that time his deal will be moveable.

    Byram becomes even more important then. By that time you know which of Klefbom/Nurse you may have to move on from and you know which of Lagesson, Jones, et al will actually turn out (i.e. Benning) and which of those you have to move on from. Having an impact LD ready to roll is a desirable strategy.

    That said, I take Cozens before Byram if possible.

  165. SteveZ says:

    JOFA: That’s what the Oilers are missing. More Hungarians

    Totally agree!

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