Game 75, 2018-19: Senators at Oilers

The Edmonton Oilers have a chance to reach the point-per-game plateau this afternoon, a small victory while also being rare air for the franchise. Since Craig MacTavish left as coach, Edmonton’s top seasons are 103 points (2016-17), 78 points (2017-18) and this one if the team wins today. You may feel this is the same as 2009-10 (62) or 2014-15 (62) but this edition of the Edmonton Oilers is among the best of the post-MacT coaching era. Incredible.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Eric Duhatschek: Sorting through the organizational problems in Ottawa and Edmonton.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: After a year of despair, Oilers prospect Cameron Hebig grateful for latest chapter with the Condors
  • Jonathan Willis: Bob Nicholson’s misguided Tobias Rieder comments reveal deeper problems within Oilers management
  • Jonathan Willis: Ken Hitchcock knows why Edmonton has trouble exiting its zone, but lacks the players to fix it.
  • Lowetide: Trimming cap fat and adding speed and skill will shape Oilers’ offseason.
  • Jonathan Willis: Former Canucks architects Mike Gillis and Laurence Gilman should be considered for any vacant NHL GM job
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers need to drastically revamp their forward group.
  • Lowetide: Identifying the risk and the right price if the Oilers were to trade Adam Larsson (to Toronto?)
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ prospect Tyler Benson’s rookie AHL season a revelation.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers draft early, the WHL is loaded and there’s a lot of history.
  • Jonathan Willis: Analyzing how much the Oilers should be willing to spend on pending free agent Alex Chiasson.
  • Jonathan Willis: Keith Gretzky is a legitimate Oilers GM candidate, but would be a hard sell in Edmonton
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers can build a contender during Connor McDavid’s prime.
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers aren’t good, but this group has more potential than teams from the decade of darkness
  • Lowetide: Bob Nicholson’s search continues for the Oilers new tomorrow, but at a leisurely pace.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Leon Draisaitl has found ‘another level’ by matching offensive wizardry with sound positioning.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.

OILERS AFTER 75

  • Oilers in 2015: 29-39-7, 65 points; goal differential -35
  • Oilers in 2016: 41-25-9, 91 points; goal differential +28
  • Oilers in 2017: 34-36-5, 73 points; goal differential -29
  • Oilers in 2018: 33-34-7, 73 points; goal differential -26

One of the main reasons to pay attention now through the end of the season is the goal differential. If Edmonton can run that total below -20, that would represent a sliver of year over year progress.

OILERS IN MARCH

  • Oilers in March 2016: 6-5-0, 12 points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in March 2017: 7-3-1, 15 points; goal differential +15
  • Oilers in March 2018: 6-4-1, 13 points; goal differential +8
  • Oilers in March 2019: 6-4-0, 12 points; goal differential -1

WHAT TO EXPECT IN MARCH

  • On the road to: Columbus, Buffalo (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Toronto, NY Rangers, NJD (Expected 2-1-1) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • On the road to: Arizona, Vegas, St. Louis (Expected: 0-2-1) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Columbus,Ottawa, Los Angeles, Dallas, Anaheim (Expected: 3-1-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-5-4, 14 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 6-4-0, 12 points in ten games

Evan Bouchard had the puck on a string last night in the OHL playoffs. I think it would have been better for his development to spend the season in Bakersfield, but he’s fun to watch at this level. He scored twice, and had four points on the evening. Including playoffs and regular season, Bouchard is 46, 18-39-57 (1.24 points-per-game) compared to 71, 26-66-92 (1.30) one year ago. He’s ready to turn pro.

TYLER BENSON

Benson went 1-1-2 last night in an overtime loss, now sits at 59, 14-43-57. He’s quickly approaching the point-per-game level and I do think Benson will push for NHL employment in the fall.

The 2016 entry draft is now at the halfway point of my ‘5-year rule’ and hasn’t turned out as hoped. Jesse Puljujarvi’s situation is best reflected in an old Jimmy Cliff song, the three third-round picks remain without contracts, and there doesn’t appear (at this time) to be a late-round gem.

The entire draft surrounds Puljujarvi, my guess is he won’t fetch a gigantic amount via trade but that’s where we are headed.

It’s Benson. That’s the big hope for the 2016 draft as we approach April Fools. On draft night, I wrote about the group chosen by Edmonton, who had heavily populated my own rankings:

  • No. 3—R Jesse Puljujarvi, Karpat (Sm-Liiga): Big, fast, rambunctious.
  • No. 34—L Tyler Benson, Vancouver Giants (WHL). Physical two-way forward. Injured a lot.
  • No. 61—RD Filip Berglund, Skelleftea AIK (SEL). Intriguing offense, may take awhile.
  • No. 108—LD Markus Niemelainen, Saginaw Spirit (OHL). Giant defender, mobile, some offense.
  • No. 112—C Aapeli Rasanen, Tappara U20 (Jr. SML). A fine prospect, good size and skill.
  • No. 145—LD Matthew Cairns, Georgetown Raiders (OJHL). Smart defender with good size, mobility.

We’re 2.5 years into the piece, and Edmonton has signed only three men (Puljujarvi, Benson, Dylan Wells) from the 2016 draft. That’s low. The third-round pick I like ran in place a little, and the Oilers are now drunk with RHD prospects (Evan Bouchard, Ethan Bear, Joel Persson).

Now, to the reason for writing this today. Folks, they’re orphans. I have been staring at drafts for a long time, and can say with some authority that Peter Chiarelli’s plans for this group no longer apply. Was he planning on signing Vincent Desharnais and Filip Berglund? That priority list is gone.

This happens time and again in the life of an organization. The 2017 and 2018 drafts have Keith Gretzky as an inside champion. The 2016 draft? Orphans, save Benson and Wells. I expect Jesse Puljujarvi to be dealt this summer, with a meager return.

Here’s the thing: I still think they made the right call in choosing Puljujarvi. I don’t know how you pass on that player based on what happened in the previous six months.

As for the fall, I think the big name rookies will be Tyler Benson, Cooper Marody and Caleb Jones. Just a guess.


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  1. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Looks like they are back as normal

  2. Material Elvis says:

    BONE207:
    I’ve been thinking about the snippets of audio & newspaper articles about Burger Bob’s thoughts. The more I hear & read, the more I can imagine Roger’s place turning into a corner store in a sketchy part of town. The only people you’ll see around there are drug dealers & cheap hookers. Thank Gord for the Oil Kings.

    It kind of is that area right now.

  3. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    oilers being out talented again.

  4. Lowetide says:

    Cave scored.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    Colby Cave ties the game right back up – great shot at the end of a hardworking.

    Another nice little dish by Joe G. after a smart, veteran play by Gagner to keep the play alive.

  6. Material Elvis says:

    Joey G with a strong forecheck. He’s very strong on the boards.

  7. Paulie says:

    Cave looked like Bouchard’s shot last night

  8. Gerta Rauss says:

    Nick Cave with the tying goal

    3-3 with 11 min remaining

    Gamberdella and Samwise with the assists

  9. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Depth scoring!?!

    What the fuck, haven’t seen that very often in 3rd periods.

    JoeyG making a case for himself come Fall.

  10. BONE207 says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    oilers being out talented again.

    A bad team will make the playoffs. Why not the Oilers?
    We’ve been wrong about talent. We’re wrong about evaluating talent. We will always be wrong about talent.

    I’m an optimist…ha😁

  11. Material Elvis says:

    I don’t understand people who complain about Rogers in game experience. It’s fantastic. My nine year old daughter ‘s first NHL game and she is mesmerized.

  12. Bag of Pucks says:

    Would love a Rieder game winner followed by a slow bow to Burger’s Box.

  13. BONE207 says:

    Material Elvis:
    I don’t understand people who complain about Rogers in game experience.It’s fantastic.My nine year old daughter ‘s first NHL game and she is mesmerized.

    You must near Woodguy!!!
    She’s listening to him give it to the refs…

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maoriduvpoojt:

    JoeyG making a case for himself come Fall.

    He’s a no-brainer to re-sign (and he was a no-brainer to re-sign even prior to this call-up).

    He’s likely earned himself a one-way deal and a small raise over his current $725K.

  15. who says:

    Maoriduvpoojt:
    who,

    Actually $2.5 million, but it’s in exchange for Gaborik’s $4.8 million AND Edm/LA could structure it to be like this:

    1. 19-20, trade in Aug, Edm pays bonus, leaves $3.5 paid by Edm & LA, Ott get $2.5 million in cap space for 0 actual $’s

    2.20-21, $1 million Edm, $2.5 million LA, Ott gets $2.5 million in cap space for $500K

    3.21-22, $1 million Edm, $2.5 million LA, Ott $2.5 million cap space for $1.5 million

    4.22-23 $1 million Edm, $2.5 LA, Ott $2.5 million in cap space for $500K

    Melnyk ends up paying $2.5 million for $10 million in cap space, so he saves $7.5 million in actual money.This has a lot of value.

    So, Edm gets:
    $1 million x 4 yrs against the cap
    $4.875 million x 2yrs Gaborik LTIR
    $3.1 million x 1yr Pageau
    $6.25 million x 2yrs Kovalchuk

    Ottawa gets:
    $10 million in cap space to help reach cap floor for $2.5 million over 4 yrs
    Gets rid of Gaborik’s $9.95 million salary over 2 yrs
    Tyler Toffoli, former junior star in Ott, $4.6 million for 1 yr
    Bear, Sherbak + 2 x 3rd round picks

    LA gets:
    Clears $10.8 million in salary
    4 yrs of high character and close friend of LA’s leadership group for $2.5 million x 4 years

    Ottawa does very well here, LA makes cap room and gets rid of under-performing Toffoli & poor fit Kovalchuk

    Not sure how this is unrealistic (other than Kovy’s willingness to move).If Kovy doesn’t want to come to Edm, it likely wouldn’t be difficult to move him to a team like NYR.

    If there is a will, there is always a way.A competent GM will move Lucic in the summer and will not lose much in the trade.

    Yeah, after reading your proposal over a few times it makes more sense than anything else I’ve read here.
    Lot of moving parts though. Hard to get my head around everything.
    Why does Ottawa want to get rid of Gaboriks salary if he’s on LTIR?

  16. Material Elvis says:

    BONE207: You must near Woodguy!!!
    She’s listening to him give it to the refs…

    The ref almost didn’t call that high stick….right in front of him!

  17. Ice Sage says:

    A power play! Rare sighting

  18. BONE207 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Would love a Rieder game winner followed by a slow bow to Burger’s Box.

    A curtsey & a kiss blown in his direction

  19. Reja says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Would love a Rieder game winner followed by a slow bow to Burger’s Box.

    6th game in the Swiss league next year.

  20. VanIsleOil says:

    Miss the days when LT would have the odd hollywood starlet as the homepage pic. It was a nice change from just hockey player pics. This place is so much more than just a hockey blog.

    Here is a sample as a reminder for those days….. would be great to see more like this…

    https://bit.ly/2URBfaF

  21. Material Elvis says:

    Rieder is not having a good game. At this rate, he won’t be getting a contract from the Oilers next year……

  22. BONE207 says:

    Reja: 6th game in the Swiss league next year.

    After being shutout in the mini stick summer league in his playroom against armless children.

  23. BONE207 says:

    VanIsleOil:
    Miss the days when Lt would have the odd hollywood starlet as the homepage pic. It was a nice change from just hockey player pics. This place is so much more than just a hockey blog.

    Here is a sample as areminder for those days….. would be great to see more like this…

    https://bit.ly/2URBfaF

    I could watch that Australian hurdler for hours…

  24. BONE207 says:

    Well…the last couple of minutes are kinda exciting

  25. Gerta Rauss says:

    VanIsleOil,

    I have fond memories of Oklahoma

  26. Bag of Pucks says:

    Material Elvis:
    Rieder is not having a good game.At this rate, he won’t be getting a contract from the Oilers next year……

    I blame Connor. Gretz would’ve scored 3 off Reider’s cup by now.

  27. BONE207 says:

    Drai with the winner?

  28. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    who: Yeah, after reading your proposal over a few times it makes more sense than anything else I’ve read here.
    Lot of moving parts though. Hard to get my head around everything.
    Why does Ottawa want to get rid of Gaboriks salary if he’s on LTIR?

    Melnyk is paying his salary, this saves him real money.

    Ott can’t use LTIR, but if Edm is a Cap Team, they can use this to their benefit, but since Ottawa will be at the cap floor, Melnyk will only be too happy to not have to pay this…

  29. BONE207 says:

    Bag of Pucks: I blame Connor. Gretz would’ve scored 3 off Reider’s cup by now.

    Reider told CONNOR that he doesn’t wear one after seeing the Klefbom pain

  30. Ice Sage says:

    knew this was a trap game.
    darn

  31. Gerta Rauss says:

    And a Tkachuk ends it in overtime

  32. BONE207 says:

    Hmmm…was starting to get excited about seeing Seksy with CONNOR & Drai.

    So does this mean it’s mathematically done?

  33. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Oilers are now 0-2 vs AHL Teams

    7 losses vs the last place team in the NHL this year.

  34. texmex says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    Fitting…. and the season

  35. McSorley33 says:

    Just getting a point against this vaunted Senators team is a big deal for Edmonton.

    The boys gave it their all…..

  36. Bag of Pucks says:

    Exit light. Enter night.
    Take my hand.
    Off to never playoffs land.

  37. oilersfan says:

    Maoriduvpoojt,

    If gaborik is on LTIR isn’t his salary paid by insurance?

    How do Draisaitl and Mcdavid not score against an ahl team 3×3?

  38. Bag of Pucks says:

    McSorley33:
    Just getting a point against this vaunted Senators team is a big deal for Edmonton.

    The boys gave it their all…..

    You can’t expect to beat a team playing a meaningless game without their top line. There’s no easy wins in this league. lol

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    oilersfan:
    Maoriduvpoojt,

    If gaborik is on LTIR isn’t his salary paid by insurance?

    How do Draisaitl and Mcdavid not score against an ahl team 3×3?

    Not necessarily – not all contracts are insured equally – its very odd that there is standardized insurance but there isn’t.

    Actual NHL players in OT – including some very good ones like Chabot.

  40. BONE207 says:

    oilersfan:
    Maoriduvpoojt,

    If gaborik is on LTIR isn’t his salary paid by insurance?

    How do Draisaitl and Mcdavid not score against an ahl team 3×3?

    They were expecting a big rebound off of Koski to strike

  41. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    So you can add 1G to the shopping list.

  42. Reja says:

    Material Elvis:
    Rieder is not having a good game.At this rate, he won’t be getting a contract from the Oilers next year……

    I liked the signing thought he would mesh with Leon or someone else get 12-20 goals and get a nice contract. Blame Burger Bob all you want they put him in a position to succeed and he has Zero Goals. Doesn’t go to the net plays on the perimeter I can see why the Coyotes dumped him.

  43. Bag of Pucks says:

    BONE207: I could watch that Australian hurdler for hours…

    Hours? Impressive stamina.

  44. BONE207 says:

    In honor of this afternoon’s matinee, I’m going to clean toilets

  45. Lowetide says:

    BONE207:
    In honor of this afternoon’s matinee,I’m going to clean toilets

    This seems reasonable.

  46. BONE207 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Hours? Impressive stamina.

    I would recite Lowetide-isms

  47. Lowetide says:

    BONE207:
    Hmmm…was starting to get excited about seeing Seksy with CONNOR & Drai.

    So does this mean it’s mathematically done?

    Oh God no. Much disappointment to come.

  48. Bag of Pucks says:

    Gret99zky:

    Don’t forget JP’s agent has shown he has a firm grasp of management’s plums.I wouldn’t expect the next contract to be a win for the Burger Barren.

    Burger Barren is gold Jerry. Gold.

    Wins today’s thread imo

  49. Reja says:

    McSorley33:
    Just getting a point against this vaunted Senators team is a big deal for Edmonton.

    The boys gave it their all…..

    If you don’t think the Sen’s aren’t playing for next years jobs and trying to catch the kings for last since it’s the Avs pick.

  50. BONE207 says:

    Lowetide: Oh God no. Much disappointment to come.

    Well I wasn’t including the management decisions to come.

  51. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    If I could dump the Lucic contract with JP as the sole sweetener, I would do that in a New York minute and not give it a second thought.

    All the available and historical data you have to this point is indicating that JP is more likely a bust than the elite playmaker he was projected as. Yes, there is a lower percentage chance that he turns it around in spectacular fashion. But that type of development story would certainly be an outlier not the norm for a lottery tier pick.

    Getting rid of that toxic contract without having to add a material contributor on the roster or this year’s 1st would be a Godsend imo.

    How many historical examples had played 139 NHL games and had double hip surgery before their 21st birthdays?

  52. BONE207 says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: How many historical examples had played 139 NHL games and had double hip surgery before their 21st birthdays?

    That beats Bo Jackson & he knows hockey!!!

  53. Oil2Oilers says:

    It looks likely that Hitchcock will join the legion of Oilers management promoted without portfolio. A productive use for him would be as a tactics coach.

    If he spent two weeks this summer enjoying the Northern Sun in Finland working with Puljujarvi on film studies it could be a difference maker. JP already has the ‘skills’ and rehab should provide the fitness, a better understanding of the NHL would be the final peace of the puzzle.

    The likelihood of the Oilers braintrust thinking this would be a good investment is likely nil.

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    No Rodrigue for Drummondville.

    No Maksimov for Niagara.

    Damn.

  55. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    No Rodrigue for Drummondville.

    No Maksimov for Niagara.

    Damn.

    They planned this, you know.

  56. McSorley33 says:

    Reja,

    Hmmmm…..not sure how much the players care about preventing the Avs from getting the pick.

    Doesn’t seem like a dressing room rallying cry to me…..but you never know.

  57. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    oilersfan:
    Maoriduvpoojt,

    If gaborik is on LTIR isn’t his salary paid by insurance?

    They still have to pay the insurance premiums and 20 percent of the salary ( 20% of Gaborik = $1,952,000).

  58. Gerta Rauss says:

    Oil2Oilers,

    That’s interesting, and I agree the Oilers have never shown this type of creative thinking in the past, I doubt they’re going to change now

    I think a more modest goal for Jesse this summer should be to improve his English to the point where it isn’t an issue anymore

  59. Reja says:

    McSorley33:
    Reja,

    Hmmmm…..not sure how much the players care about preventing the Avs from getting the pick.

    Doesn’t seem like a dressing room rallying cry to me…..but you never know.

    Saving face for the GM it may help your Career not sure how far a second last place team can drop.Does anyone know offhand?

  60. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: Ottawa takes Lucic at $4M on the premise that, as part of the 3-way deal, they trade him with an additional $2M retained. They get an asset from Edmonton for doing this, that is why.

    The 2nd team take Lucic at $2M b/c he likely is tradeable at $2M and, 100% teams will take that bet.

    Are you serious? Why would Lucic wave for Ottawa ?

  61. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Glovjuice: Are you serious? Why would Lucic wave for Ottawa ?

    This is part of a 3-way deal.

    You are missing the part where Ottawa is serving as a middle man to retain salary so the 3rd team ends up with a much cheaperr Lucic

  62. Reja says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: How many historical examples had played 139 NHL games and had double hip surgery before their 21st birthdays?

    I never heard the exact surgical procedure do you know?

  63. Reja says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: This is part of a 3-way deal.

    You are missing the part where Ottawa is serving as a middle man to retain salary so the 3rd team ends up with a much cheaperr Lucic

    I think Lucic would wave to go anywhere is family wanted to go get a fresh start and not end is career this way.

  64. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Oil2Oilers,

    – Pretty sure this is another lie fed to us. I recall Hitch saying amd the MSM saying it was a rest of season deal only. I’d have to look it up to confirm this but feels like as a fan this is another lie

    – I mean I give kudos to Hitch for negotiating a 3 year deal.

    – Kind of illutrates the challenge the org has: even a retired homer they Had to give him term to join the gong show.

    – That’s why Keith has a strong chance. Between having to give up control and danger pay premium and term that the most competitive and competent GMs would get, they can sign up yes man Keith who communicates well and knows Oil culture. Really a no brainer if you are this organization.

  65. Lowetide says:

    The Oilers made a rare move and shopped the QMJHL at the 2018 draft. It could happen again.

    https://theathletic.com/881451/2019/03/23/the-oilers-made-a-rare-move-and-shopped-the-qmjhl-at-the-2018-draft-it-could-happen-again/

  66. Glovjuice says:

    Material Elvis:
    I don’t understand people who complain about Rogers in game experience.It’s fantastic.My nine year old daughter ‘s first NHL game and she is mesmerized.

    Nine year old !? LOL that’s not how you measure an in game experience. That’s hilarious. My five year old is mesmerized all the time by almost anything. Come on, man.

  67. Material Elvis says:

    Glovjuice: Nine year old !? LOLthat’s not how you measure an in game experience. That’s hilarious. My five year old is mesmerized all the time by almost anything. Come on, man.

    Yeah they really should target 40+ online trolls. Get a life jerk.

  68. Glovjuice says:

    BONE207: I could watch that Australian hurdler for hours…

    More like 2-3 minutes while I She Bop it. Cindy rulz.

  69. Gerta Rauss says:

    Glovjuice,

    Making meaningful contributions to the community again today I see

    Well done

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice: Are you serious? Why would Lucic wave for Ottawa ?

    If you take the time to read past the first 3 words, you will see that he doesn’t go to Ottawa which is an intermediary in a 3-team transaction.

    Sigh.

  71. Reja says:

    Material Elvis: Yeah they really should target 40+ online trolls. Get a life jerk.

    Glad you and your Daughter had a nice experience.She will remember it the rest of her life 9 is a great age for a Daughter enjoy it all you can it goes quick.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: This is part of a 3-way deal.

    You are missing the part where Ottawa is serving as a middle man to retain salary so the 3rd team ends up with a much cheaperr Lucic

    She read the first three (maybe 5) words, saw an opportunity to oppose something I posted and couldn’t resist the immediate response. I guess that fact that “fuck” wasn’t in there at least once is something though….

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Oil2Oilers,

    – Pretty sure this is another lie fed to us. I recall Hitch saying amd the MSM saying it was a rest of season deal only. I’d have to look it up to confirm this but feels like as a fan this is another lie

    They stated that the commitment to coach is for this year – that is all.

    Not a lie.

  74. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Glovjuice: More like 2-3 minutes while I She Bop it. Cindy rulz.

    Next list?

  75. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Glovjuice: Nine year old !? LOLthat’s not how you measure an in game experience. That’s hilarious. My five year old is mesmerized all the time by almost anything. Come on, man.

    As a mother, you should know this is a perfect way to measure an in-game experience.

    That is, if you are parenting properly….

  76. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar: They stated that the commitment to coach is for this year – that is all.

    Not a lie.

    – Nope. – I’ll find the quotes. Hitch said it was untill end of season and he hopes he does well because he wants to get hired next year to coach MSM not Once talked about 3 years.

    – Not once anywhere was this pitched as a 3 year deal for Hitch. It was a show me end of season deal

    – That’s lying. That’s just bush league organization stuff.

    – Now you might argue that legally they weren’t under any obligation to disclose that it was a 3 year deal. Yet they hid this. Makes sense too. Best to say it’s a end of season only then reevaluate rather than being transparent.

    – Only be transparent about Guys like Reider and tell everyone he won’t be back. But lie about the true nature of Hitch’s status when he was hired.

  77. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar: They stated that the commitment to coach is for this year – that is all.

    Not a lie.

    Direct quote is “Hitchcock will be hired through to end of season then they will reevaluate”. A lie.

    That was the Sportsnet article saying he was perfect hire

    – Again you can argue “well that’s the coaching part”. It’s actually taking advantage of your fan base.

  78. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Reja: I never heard the exact surgical procedure do you know?

    He was suffering from Femoroacetabular Impingement (FAI), this is basically excess bone growths, similar to bone spurs. Basically an arthroscopic procedure where this excess bone growth, which may have been a relatively small amount, is “scraped off” the femoral head (where the fat end of the big leg bone inserts into the hip socket).

    I am not a medical person, just my interpretation of the info that I’ve read.

    Invasive, of course, but far from a radical surgery. Not something that I would expect to take more than 3 months to recover from.

  79. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: Direct quote is “Hitchcock will be hired through to end of season then they will reevaluate”. A lie.

    That was the Sportsnet article saying he was perfect hire

    – Again you can argue “well that’s the coaching part”. It’s actually taking advantage of your fan base.

    It is not a lie. Nicholson won’t be hiring the next coach.

    Standard Operating Procedure in the NHL is for a GM to pick his coach. Can’t see a coach being hired before a GM is hired.

  80. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: If you take the time to read past the first 3 words, you will see that he doesn’t go to Ottawa which is an intermediary in a 3-team transaction.

    Sigh.

    Ya, this one was dumb on my part. But, I still don’t see ANY team taking a terrible 13 th forward. I guess we will see.

  81. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    SwedishPoster:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Aapeli8/status/1109458480480616448

    As a guy with a very scandinavian name that really only scandinavians and germans can pronounce properly I can relate to this tweet.

    What a coincidence!

    For ease of pronunciation for fellow posters I have been contemplating (yet again) an LT moniker change to Geeyheph (that or Phythythyl; neither are my real name).

  82. Glovjuice says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Glovjuice,

    Making meaningful contributions to the community again today I see

    Well done

    This mixed CD I posted above is worthy for all to check out.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Nope. – I’ll find the quotes. Hitch said it was untill end of season and he hopes he does well because he wants to get hired next year to coachMSM not Once talked about 3 years.

    – Not once anywhere was this pitched as a 3 year deal for Hitch. It was a show me end of season deal

    – That’s lying. That’s just bush league organization stuff.

    – Now you might argue that legally they weren’t under any obligation to disclose that it was a 3 year deal. Yet they hid this.Makes sense too. Best to say it’s a end of season only then reevaluate rather than being transparent.

    – Only be transparent about Guys like Reider and tell everyone he won’t be back. But lie about the true nature of Hitch’s status when he was hired.

    I don’t recall Hitch ever speaking about wanting to coach past this year – if you can find such a statement, I’d love to read/hear it.

    Again, when Hitch was hired, the organization stated that he will be the coach for the rest of this year – the commitment to coach is for this season only.

    That was and remains true.

    The fact they have an agreement for him to be in the organization for the next 2 years, outside of coaching, does not make that a lie.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: Direct quote is “Hitchcock will be hired through to end of season then they will reevaluate”. A lie.

    That was the Sportsnet article saying he was perfect hire

    – Again you can argue “well that’s the coaching part”. It’s actually taking advantage of your fan base.

    The statement was made with clear reference to coaching.

    It must be exhausting to try and find fault with every word and action.

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: He was suffering from Femoroacetabular Impingement (FAI), this is basically excess bone growths, similar to bone spurs.Basically an arthroscopic procedure where this excess bone growth, which may have been a relatively small amount, is “scraped off” the femoral head (where the fat end of the big leg bone inserts into the hip socket).

    I am not a medical person, just my interpretation of the info that I’ve read.

    Invasive, of course, but far from a radical surgery.Not something that I would expect to take more than 3 months to recover from.

    He is supposed to be ready for training camp and was riding the bike within a week.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice: Ya, this one was dumb on my part. But, I still don’t see ANY team taking a terrible 13 th forward. I guess we will see.

    Apology accepted

    I think anywhere from a handful to many teams would be interested in Lucic at $2M. I absolutely think it would be most teams if it wasn’t for the 4 years of term.

  87. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    jp: You could be right about who to value. Puljujarvi isn’t getting through waivers though.

    FWIW, looking at Hockey Reference for players who’ve started their careers like Puljujarvi. Criteria was forward, 1st round pick, first 3 seasons age 18-21 with comparable PPG (JP is 0.27, I included 0.35 to 0.20), played NHL games all 3 years, >100 games total, since 1990.

    We get:
    Kyle Turris 0.35
    Tyson Jost 0.34
    Daymond Landkow 0.34
    Dainius Zubrus 0.32
    Dustin Brown 0.30
    Alex Burmistrov 0.30
    Chad Kilger 0.29
    Olli Jokinen 0.27
    Shane Doan 0.24
    Gilbert Brule 0.22
    Jason Wiemer 0.22

    There’s a few washouts there, but that’s the actual whole list. Most had useful careers, some were quite good. Puljujarvi may not be trending like a 4th overall should, but It would still be a damn shame to send him away for pennys, and even worse to lose him to waivers.

    2 washouts, basically. So I likes Jesse’s chances even more!

  88. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: He is supposed to be ready for training camp and was riding the bike within a week.

    Yeah, but what does his Instagram say?

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    From accounts, Maksimov is unlikely to play in the entire first round – blah!

  90. Gerta Rauss says:

    Ryan Strome scores in OT to win it for the Rags over the Leafs..lol

  91. Caller Zen says:

    Just got home from work and watched the highlights – wasn’t there some serious interference on McDavid as he skated on the backcheck? The refs wouldn’t call that… because Oilers?

  92. Reja says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: He was suffering from Femoroacetabular Impingement (FAI), this is basically excess bone growths, similar to bone spurs.Basically an arthroscopic procedure where this excess bone growth, which may have been a relatively small amount, is “scraped off” the femoral head (where the fat end of the big leg bone inserts into the hip socket).

    I am not a medical person, just my interpretation of the info that I’ve read.

    Invasive, of course, but far from a radical surgery.Not something that I would expect to take more than 3 months to recover from.

    Sounds Routine but anytime you go under the knife you never know.

  93. Lowetide says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: What a coincidence!

    For ease of pronunciation for fellow posters I have been contemplating (yet again) an LT moniker change to Geeyheph (that or Phythythyl; neither are my real name).

    You are SO kind.

  94. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: Apology accepted

    I think anywhere from a handful to many teams would be interested in Lucic at $2M. I absolutely think it would be most teams if it wasn’t for the 4 years of term.

    Thanks.

    I sure hope so. He is a drag in the extreme.

  95. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    – yes a lawyer would recognize the out. At best it’s selective disclosure or It’s a material omission of facts

    – But your bringing up another point. Your take is that the past is the past on what future management does. Yet again they are promoting up a coach who should be fired for cause and he will part of management next two years – adding to the collection

    – Must be so hard : the weight of all the sand that covers your head Buried in the hole as you don’t want to see from the past any clues to the future or assign anything to it that might impact the future.

    – Here’s betting all of MacT Keith Wayne Howson Lowe remain senior members and alternate governors next year.

    – Organization didn’t even bother to tell fans that Hitch had three tenure regardless of how he did.

  96. Reja says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Ryan Strome scores in OT to win it for the Rags over the Leafs..lol

    He might turn into a 20 goal a year man must run in the family.

  97. Reja says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    OriginalPouzar,

    – yes a lawyer would recognize the out. At best it’s selective disclosure

    – But your bringing up another point. Your take is that the past is the past on what future management does. Yet again they are promoting up a coach who should be fired for cause and he will part of management next two years – adding to the collection

    – Must be so hard : the weight of all the sand that covers your head Buried in the hole as you don’twant to see from the past any clues to the future or assign anything to it that might impact the future.

    – Here’s betting all of MacT Keith Wayne Howson Lowe remain senior members and alternate governors next year.

    – Organization didn’t even bother to tell fans that Hitch had three tenure regardless of how he did.

    It’s a House Tax right off for Katz.

  98. Gerta Rauss says:

    Reja: He might turn into a 20 goal a year man must run in the family.

    Don’t give the Oilers any ideas, they may trade for him LoL

  99. Gerta Rauss says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: For ease of pronunciation for fellow posters I have been contemplating (yet again) an LT moniker change

    Who were you prior to your current moniker..?

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    OriginalPouzar,

    – But your bringing up another point. Your take is that the past is the past on what future management does. Yet again they are promoting up a coach who should be fired for cause and he will part of management next two years – adding to the collection

    I don’t want him back as coach next year – don’t think he’s the right guy for this young team going forward – hopefully the players remember some of the lessons going forward. I also think it could be a nice benefit ti keep him in the organization – he’s got a massive roladex, a huge base of knowledge and respect across the league and the hockey world. There could be substantiate benefits to have him in some sort of consulting role.

  101. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar: He is supposed to be ready for training camp and was riding the bike within a week.

    It can actually take a while to recover 100% from.

  102. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    – meh: he apparently vouched for manning. He vouched for pool and did f?ck all for him. I’ve agreed with your criticism of many of his roster moves. Some respect from some players but he’s a pig headed dinasour who was brought in because of his acumen as a coach to a team that needed that to get into playoffs

    – He should be fired for cause. Not promoted up.

    – Amd if the initial pitch was “Hitch commits to three years within Oil organization “ most people be like “wtf”? It’s just another tell. Only bad teams hire guys out of retirement and give them back door 3 year deals. When the leafs hired Lou the terms were clear and transparent.

  103. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Lowetide: You are SO kind.

    Correct

    Well, since you brought it up, “Kind” is actually my last name, so you are right. Well, in another language(s).

    It’s Anokeia’ano-á’áhwiinít’į

    Yup. My parents were hippies and my dad changed his surname just before he got married…..
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .

    *None of this is true

  104. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Gerta Rauss: Who were you prior to your current moniker..?

    €√¥£€^$

  105. Reja says:

    Gerta Rauss: Don’t give the Oilers any ideas, they may trade for him LoL

    Todd never gave Strome a chance then they trade him for Spooner fire Todd and then Hitch never gives Spooner a chance. I liked Spooner saw him good with the Bruins and Rangers. When he scored the winning goal against Vegas and he was being interviewed he didn’t look happy or relieved he looked sad I’m just going by eye these players aren’t robots and they have personal lives just like us.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maybe we can start talking about Lucic to STL:

    https://twitter.com/jprutherford/status/1109608892680585216

    Jeremy Rutherford

    Verified account

    @jprutherford

    Former Edmonton and Boston GM Peter Chiarelli back for the second straight game, watching from the Blues management booth with GM Doug Armstrong. Not sure of the role/potential role, but Army has a track record of this with Bob Gainey, Dave Tippet, etc.

  107. frjohnk says:

    Reja: Todd never gave Strome a chance then they trade him for Spooner fire Todd and then Hitch never gives Spooner a chance. I liked Spooner saw him good with the Bruins and Rangers. When he scored the winning goal against Vegas and he was being interviewed he didn’t look happy or relieved he looked sad I’m just going by eye these players aren’t robots and they have personal lives just like us.

    Just dug these useless stats up.

    Ryan Spooner had 57 points in 59 games in the AHL as a 20 year old rookie.
    Tyler Benson has 57 points in 59 games in the AHL as a 20 year old rookie.

  108. Gerta Rauss says:

    Maoriduvpoojt,

    I think your current moniker is easier to pronounce..:)

  109. Johnny skid says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: he’s a pig headed dinasour

    really ….are you having a bad day?

  110. frjohnk says:

    Reja: Oh No. Somethings not right with him injury or personal he’s a good NHLer and only 27.

    I really did not see him play until this year, so I cant say I know how he looked with the Bruins and Rangers. He put up respectable amount of points. But as an Oiler he was invisible most nights. Not sure what happened

  111. Reja says:

    frjohnk: I really did not see him play until this year, so I cant say I know how he looked with the Bruins and Rangers.He put up respectable amount of points.But as an Oiler he was invisible most nights.Not sure what happened

    He looked really good with the Rangers after the trade then fell off a cliff instantly in the off-season.

  112. jp says:

    frjohnk: Just dug these useless stats up.

    Ryan Spooner had 57 points in 59 games in the AHL as a 20 year old rookie.
    Tyler Benson has 57 points in 59 games in the AHL as a 20 year old rookie.

    Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I seriously don’t know.

    Spooner had a solid (top 6 F) career going up till this year. Now, who the f knows.

  113. frjohnk says:

    jp: Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I seriously don’t know.

    It doesnt mean much.

    Benson has his own story to write.

  114. jp says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Nope. – I’ll find the quotes. Hitch said it was untill end of season and he hopes he does well because he wants to get hired next year to coachMSM not Once talked about 3 years.

    – Not once anywhere was this pitched as a 3 year deal for Hitch. It was a show me end of season deal

    – That’s lying. That’s just bush league organization stuff.

    – Now you might argue that legally they weren’t under any obligation to disclose that it was a 3 year deal. Yet they hid this.Makes sense too. Best to say it’s a end of season only then reevaluate rather than being transparent.

    – Only be transparent about Guys like Reider and tell everyone he won’t be back. But lie about the true nature of Hitch’s status when he was hired.

    I feel like Hitch or someone above mentioned his likely involvement with the org beyond this season. Maybe in a presser? I’m not sure.

    Agreed that it wasn’t initially pitched as such, but I’m not sure it was intentionally kept a secret. And assuming the role isn’t one with a big title, I’m not sure why the team would talk much about it. Especially when the possibility of him returning as coach next season (however small) was/is still on the table.

  115. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: She read the first three (maybe 5) words, saw an opportunity to oppose something I posted and couldn’t resist the immediate response.I guess that fact that “fuck” wasn’t in there at least once is something though….

    As the great Froghorn Leghorn once said.”Oh, that woman, got a mouth like an outboard motor. I still chuckle everytime I hear it.

  116. Reja says:

    frjohnk: It doesnt mean much.

    Benson has his own story to write.

    Benson lost almost two years of development with injury. I think he would already be Top 6 in the NHL if he didn’t go through the missed time then again he would have been drafted earlier.

  117. JimmyV1965 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    OriginalPouzar,

    – meh: he apparently vouched for manning. He vouched for pool and did f?ck all for him. I’ve agreed with your criticism of many of his roster moves. Some respect from some players but he’s a pig headed dinasour who was brought in because of his acumen as a coach to a team that needed that to get into playoffs

    – He should be fired for cause. Not promoted up.

    – Amd if the initial pitch was “Hitch commits to three years within Oil organization “ most people be like “wtf”?It’s just another tell. Only bad teams hire guys out of retirement and give them back door 3 year deals. When the leafs hired Lou the terms were clear and transparent.

    I believe Hitch was working as a consultant before being hired as coach. I would assume the three years is simply an extension of that. I think you’re digging pretty hard to find some dirt. Really don’t think there’s anything to see here.

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    No Rodrigue for Drummondville.

    No Maksimov for Niagara.

    Damn.

    Partial MCL tear for Maksimov – blah

  119. Zelepukin says:

    Material Elvis:
    Rieder is not having a good game.At this rate, he won’t be getting a contract from the Oilers next year……

    This was the first game where I made it a point to just stare at Reider every shift. Didn’t watch the play when he was on the ice. Just watched him.

    He badly needs a restart somewhere else. Not sure if it’s going to be in the NHL. Most likely Europe.

    He achieves almost nothing every shift. And I mean like, not even good positioning or support plays. He is always just close enough to appear to be in the right position but most often he is so hunched over and reaching with his stick that he isn’t moving and guys just pass or move right by him. His one consistent positive play is he’ll be able to dump the puck into the corner when under pressure at the opposing blue line.

    I don’t even want to rag on him cause it just looks like he doesn’t even enjoy hockey anymore while also not wanting to be a bad employee.

  120. Sierra says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Maybe we can start talking about Lucic to STL:

    https://twitter.com/jprutherford/status/1109608892680585216

    Jeremy Rutherford

    Verified account

    @jprutherford

    Former Edmonton and Boston GM Peter Chiarelli back for the second straight game, watching from the Blues management booth with GM Doug Armstrong. Not sure of the role/potential role, but Army has a track record of this with Bob Gainey, Dave Tippet, etc.

    Does this mean the Oilers aren’t paying Chia after firing his ass?

  121. oilersfan says:

    Don Maloney should be the next Oilers GM

    Nobody else is close

    The flames started to improve when he came along

    Phoenix drafted, signed and traded well under him

  122. Gerta Rauss says:

    Sierra: Does this mean the Oilers aren’t paying Chia after firing his ass?

    Well, there is no indication STL has hired Chiarelli yet

    I doubt the Oilers would prevent him from pursuing employment elsewhere

  123. Sierra says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: He was suffering from Femoroacetabular Impingement (FAI), this is basically excess bone growths, similar to bone spurs.Basically an arthroscopic procedure where this excess bone growth, which may have been a relatively small amount, is “scraped off” the femoral head (where the fat end of the big leg bone inserts into the hip socket).

    I am not a medical person, just my interpretation of the info that I’ve read.

    Invasive, of course, but far from a radical surgery.Not something that I would expect to take more than 3 months to recover from.

    I had the same surgery, plus labral tear repair in hopes of salvaging my ski career. Surgery was performed by one of the best, if not best, in Canada, a pioneer and expert in this. My rehab was with the PT who wrote the rehab protocol. Prior to surgery my surgeon was extremely optimistic. I was walking on crutches within a week and riding the bike within 3. My surgery was a success and a failure. My daily pain was/is much improved. I never skied again. My mountaineering prowess has been cut in half.

    There are no absolutes. I hope for the best for Jesse.

  124. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Sierra: I had the same surgery, plus labral tear repair in hopes of salvaging my ski career. Surgery was performed by one of the best, if not best, in Canada, a pioneer and expert in this. My rehab was with the PT who wrote the rehab protocol.Prior to surgery my surgeon was extremely optimistic. I was walking on crutches within a week and riding the bike within 3. My surgery was a success and a failure. My daily pain was/is much improved. I never skied again. My mountaineering prowess has been cut in half.

    There are no absolutes. I hope for the best for Jesse.

    Thanks for sharing your story with us.

    This gives a really good perspective and I should know better about absolutes, given my own shoulder labrum tear from 25 yrs ago (which I often still have issues with).

    Perhaps this is why the Oilers medical people said surgery was unnecessary.

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sierra: Does this mean the Oilers aren’t paying Chia after firing his ass?

    Oh, they be paying him.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: Thanks for sharing your story with us.

    This gives a really good perspective and I should know better about absolutes, given my own shoulder labrum tear from 25 yrs ago (which I often still have issues with).

    Perhaps this is why the Oilers medical people said surgery was unnecessary.

    No they didn’t. Oilers medical staff suggested surgery and Jesse went down to the US for a second opinion – which confirmed the view of the Oilers’ doctors’ suggestion.

  127. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Oh, they be paying him.

    Chiarelli’s late moves smack of him planning to get himself fired. He knew the team was screwed by October/November. What are the chances the Oilers sue, or is this another example of “Rich Man’s Justice”?

    It makes the Mafia look amateurish.

  128. Professor Q says:

    Gerta Rauss: Well, there is no indication STL has hired Chiarelli yet

    I doubt the Oilers would prevent him from pursuing employment elsewhere

    If only we could get a 2nd as compensation.

  129. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar: Partial MCL tear for Maksimov – blah

    Any source on this or was it just a broadcast thing? They have nothing on their website or Twitter, nothing in the OHL website or news outlets, etc. Just trying to find out where to see this. It’s too bad for sure, and seems surprising from so little.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909: Chiarelli’s late moves smack of him planning to get himself fired. He knew the team was screwed by October/November.What are the chances the Oilers sue, or is this another example of “Rich Man’s Justice”?

    It makes the Mafia look amateurish.

    Sue on the premise being that he intentionally made bad moves to get himself fired for some paid time off? Given, Chiarelli had been making bad moves since the day he was hired, that was quite the long term plan he had.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q: If only we could get a 2nd as compensation.

    Feels good that the league changed the rules shortly after the Oilers paid a 2nd and 3rd for their recently fired head coach and GM….

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q: Any source on this or was it just a broadcast thing? They have nothing on their website or Twitter, nothing in the OHL website or news outlets, etc. Just trying to find out where to see this. It’stoo bad for sure, and seems surprising from so little.

    Nothing official/officiail but:

    Matt and DJ

    @IceDogsThisWeek
    9h9 hours ago
    More
    Burke also said Sopa and Maksimov were unlikely in this series

    ——————————-

    Ron Doi

    @back2ron
    7h7 hours ago
    More
    Partial tear of the MCL for @EdmontonOilers prospect Maksimov. That’s tough. For him and the team. Especially the player though.

  133. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    OriginalPouzar,

    – meh: he apparently vouched for manning. He vouched for pool and did f?ck all for him. I’ve agreed with your criticism of many of his roster moves. Some respect from some players but he’s a pig headed dinasour who was brought in because of his acumen as a coach to a team that needed that to get into playoffs

    – He should be fired for cause. Not promoted up.

    – Amd if the initial pitch was “Hitch commits to three years within Oil organization “ most people be like “wtf”?It’s just another tell. Only bad teams hire guys out of retirement and give them back door 3 year deals. When the leafs hired Lou the terms were clear and transparent.

    The Leafs are owned by a publicly traded company, no? They seem to run in a more traditional business manner than the Oilers.

  134. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Reja: Todd never gave Strome a chance then they trade him for Spooner fire Todd and then Hitch never gives Spooner a chance. I liked Spooner saw him good with the Bruins and Rangers. When he scored the winning goal against Vegas and he was being interviewed he didn’t look happy or relieved he looked sad I’m just going by eye these players aren’t robots and they have personal lives just like us.

    A long time ago someone commented around the players having to look sad or be angry because they are losing. A cultural imperative. Old fashioned thinking. Just like the constant droning about character. ‘Character on the wings!’ says Burgers, may go down as one of the silliest quotes from hockey. Maybe it’s a new sauce for Craigie M hot wings. ‘

    Russell looked completely bummed after his last goal. I’ve had enough of the old school ass kicker coaches. How many are succeeding these days. The jackets look awful, McLellan is unemployed, Hitch will soon be. Babs is doing ok, we’ll see how it goes after he loses his currently stacked roster.

    Jon Cooper is the best coach in the league. He was my guy when they were looking pre Eakins. Right now there are a few of those types available in Knoblach, Thompson etc.

    Firm, progressive, not a sociopath.

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