Blue Sunday

In Game 75 of 82, in a long season that will finish outside the playoffs, Darnell Nurse sent Alex Chiasson in alone with a cherry headman pass. Music! That’s the future of the Edmonton Oilers. Now. Who is going to be part of the new tomorrow?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: Colby Cave and Joe Gambardella build late-season resumes with Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers made a rare move and shopped the QMJHL at the 2018 draft. It could happen again.
  • Eric Duhatschek: Sorting through the organizational problems in Ottawa and Edmonton.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: After a year of despair, Oilers prospect Cameron Hebig grateful for latest chapter with the Condors
  • Jonathan Willis: Bob Nicholson’s misguided Tobias Rieder comments reveal deeper problems within Oilers management
  • Jonathan Willis: Ken Hitchcock knows why Edmonton has trouble exiting its zone, but lacks the players to fix it.
  • Lowetide: Trimming cap fat and adding speed and skill will shape Oilers’ offseason.
  • Jonathan Willis: Former Canucks architects Mike Gillis and Laurence Gilman should be considered for any vacant NHL GM job
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers need to drastically revamp their forward group.
  • Lowetide: Identifying the risk and the right price if the Oilers were to trade Adam Larsson (to Toronto?)
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ prospect Tyler Benson’s rookie AHL season a revelation.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers draft early, the WHL is loaded and there’s a lot of history.
  • Jonathan Willis: Analyzing how much the Oilers should be willing to spend on pending free agent Alex Chiasson.
  • Jonathan Willis: Keith Gretzky is a legitimate Oilers GM candidate, but would be a hard sell in Edmonton
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers can build a contender during Connor McDavid’s prime.
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers aren’t good, but this group has more potential than teams from the decade of darkness
  • Lowetide: Bob Nicholson’s search continues for the Oilers new tomorrow, but at a leisurely pace.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Leon Draisaitl has found ‘another level’ by matching offensive wizardry with sound positioning.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.

OILERS AFTER 75

  • Oilers in 2015: 29-39-7, 65 points; goal differential -35
  • Oilers in 2016: 41-25-9, 91 points; goal differential +28
  • Oilers in 2017: 34-36-5, 73 points; goal differential -29
  • Oilers in 2018: 33-34-8, 74 points; goal differential -27

Oilers need five points in the final seven games to become the second best McDavid team among the four. No big deal but worth noting.

OILERS IN MARCH

  • Oilers in March 2016: 6-5-0, 12 points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in March 2017: 7-3-1, 15 points; goal differential +15
  • Oilers in March 2018: 6-4-1, 13 points; goal differential +8
  • Oilers in March 2019: 6-4-1, 13 points; goal differential -2

WHAT TO EXPECT IN MARCH

  • On the road to: Columbus, Buffalo (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Toronto, NY Rangers, NJD (Expected 2-1-1) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • On the road to: Arizona, Vegas, St. Louis (Expected: 0-2-1) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Columbus,Ottawa, Los Angeles, Dallas, Anaheim (Expected: 3-1-1) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • Overall expected result: 5-5-4, 14 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 6-4-1, 13 points in 11 games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Sekera-Benning went 15-11 in 13:07, 4-7 shots, no goals but 5-3 HDSC. Impressive numbers from the third pairing, they were 3-2 HDSC with the Nuge line.
  • Klefbom-Larsson were 13-13 in 16:13, 8-6 shots, 0-1 goals and 2-3 HDSC. The GA is on the forwards, Klefbom was down low (and Larsson was at midway) and no one covered.
  • Nurse-Russell went 14-23 in 16:53, 9-4 shots, 2-0 goals and 5-2 HDSC, including 3-0 HDSC with the Cave line. That Nurse pass to Chiasson was golden. If he can do that 50 times a year the Oilers cap is screwed.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 31 of 35, .886. I don’t blame him on the OT goal, that was a breakaway by the time it was through.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian went 19-14 in 15:28, 8-8 shots, 1-1 goals and 5-3 HDSC. I thought all three played well, although there were five giveaways between 97 and 29. The goal was fantastic, all three men key to the play.
  • Lucic-Nuge-Chiasson were 9-13 in 10:34, 4-8 shots, 1-0 goals and 4-2 HDSC. Although it was a good night for the Nuge line, it’s pretty obvious a better set of wingers (including one who can push the river) is key to a second outscoring line.
  • Rieder-Cave-Gagner were 10-4 in 6:48, 4-2 shots, no goals and 3-1 HDSC. This line is getting good things done.
  • Gambardella-Brodziak-Currie went 1-8 in 5:01, 1-4 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC.

AUGUST 15, 2019

Hayden Hawkey, JD Dudek and Vincent Desharnais all need to be signed by August 15 or become free agents. Here are the numbers:

  • Hayden Hawkey: 38, 1.89 .919.
  • JD Dudek: 39, 7-5-12
  • Vincent Desharnais: 39, 5-7-12

Providence is going to the dance, selection show is late this afternoon. Hawkey is the key player here, Oilers gave up a fifth rounder for him. Desharnais, also a Providence player, is less likely imo to sign with Peter Chiarelli gone. Based on rumor and hearsay, that may also apply with John Marino, who is eligible for another year of college hockey.

YOUNG GOALIES

If Hawkey is signed, he’ll no doubt be a part of a four man minor league prospect group that includes Shane Starrett (36, 2.27 .921 in Bakersfield), Dylan Wells (22, 3.04 .912 in Wichita and 9, 3.01 .902 in the AHL) and Stuart Skinner (33, 3.32 .900 in Wichita and 6, 2.99 .879 in the AHL).

Starrett as a No. 3 goalie (starter in the AHL and first recall) makes sense to me, wonder if the new general manager will feel the same way. My guess for NHL-AHL depth chart next season:

  1. Mikko Koskinen 1A
  2. Anders Nilsson or Brian Elliott 1B
  3. Shane Starrett
  4. Dylan Wells
  5. Stuart Skinner
  6. Hayden Hawkey

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  1. Jethro Tull says:

    The second best McDavid team. Ugh. Well, it’s 12 o’clock somewhere.

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY 26
    SJS 20
    VGK 15

    Central
    WPG 19
    NSH 14
    STL 13

    Wildcard
    DAL 7
    COL 5

    Out of playoffs
    ARI 4
    MIN 3
    CHI 0
    EDM -1
    VAN -1
    ANA -5
    LAK -12

    Wildcard Relevant Games today:

    ARI at NYI (NYI -170)
    COL at CHI (CHI -120)

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Eastern Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Atlantic
    TBY 44
    BOS 26
    TOR 19

    Metropolitan
    WSH 19
    NYI 18
    PIT 17

    Wildcard
    CAR 15
    MTL 12

    Out of playoffs
    CBJ 10
    PHI 5
    FLA 3
    BUF -3
    NYR -3
    NJD -11
    DET -11
    OTT -17

    Wildcard Relevant Games today:

    MTL at CAR (CAR -150)
    CBJ at VAN (CBJ -160)

  4. who says:

    I thought Anthony DuClair had a hell of a game yesterday. And it got me thinking. What was the cost to Columbus to acquire him? What did it cost for Toronto to acquire Nic Petan? What did it cost Vancouver to acquire Josh Leivo?
    These were 3 names that this blog suggested acquiring on numerous occasions. All 3 seem to be performing well with their new clubs. And all 3 appear to be more skilled than anyone in our bottom 6 yesterday.
    Did our pro scouts not recommend these players?
    Did Chia not listen to them?
    Hitch mentioned foot speed numerous times yesterday. 2 of these guys would certainly improve the club in that area and the 3rd guy has a fairly long history of putting the puck in the net.
    Don’t we need those things?

  5. Mr DeBakey says:

    who: I thought Anthony DuClair had a hell of a game yesterday. And it got me thinking. What was the cost to Columbus to acquire him?

    He, like Chiasson, was floating around in the UFA Clearance Bin last summer.
    No Acquisition Costs.
    Minimal Cap Hit.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    In the moments after Nurse effected that breakaway pass, in the midst of a sparely populated game thread in this community, there were 6-7 praises of Darnell Nurse and the past – I was among the those providing praise.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, it was indeed a very nice outlet pass, however, is it also not one that should be expected of a top 4 d-man? In fact, is it not one that should be expected of all the d-men? Is the fact that such praise was provided not an indictment of the overall ability of Nurse (and others) to make such a pass generally? I mean, I think part of it was the surprise that it was made perfectly and the fact that we’ve seen it so rarely this season.

  7. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    In the moments after Nurse effected that breakaway pass, in the midst of a sparely populated game thread in this community, there were 6-7 praises of Darnell Nurse and the past – I was among the those providing praise.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, it was indeed a very nice outlet pass, however, is it also not one that should be expected of a top 4 d-man?In fact, is it not one that should be expected of all the d-men? Is the fact that such praise was provided not an indictment of the overall ability of Nurse (and others) to make such a pass generally? I mean, I think part of it was the surprise that it was made perfectly and the fact that we’ve seen it so rarely this season.

    That was my point, OP. Nurse has a lot of tools, but his passing isn’t up to par.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ve been wondering about a Hawkey signing for a few days now and am hopeful we see it. I see no reason why the Oilers wouldn’t want to ink him but Hayden may see a bit of a block. If his people are paying attention, they will realize that the NHL club needs an established back-up, meaning Starrett is almost assuredly back in the AHL. Do we worry that Hawkey sees the, potential AHL goalie of the year, as a block for him?

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    Speaking of the goalies, LT, I see you throw Brian Elliot’s name out there as a potential 1B – that is a name I’ve been throwing about for a while – I think he’s a good target. Should come in around the right price (apx $2M or so), is an established veteran and has the clear ability to push Koskinen and take over for stretches.

    Its interesting, I’ve been absolutely torn apart on another platform by a few pretentious posters for suggestion Elliot – it means I know nothing about goaltending and nothing about hockey, apparently.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t imagine Dudek or Desharnais are signed.

    I also think Tyler Vesel and Colin Larkin are not qualified (Vesel maybe, he’s played a solid role in the Bake).

    I think Mitch Callahan, Brad Malone and Ryan Stanton (all UFAs) are let go and P. Russell being the one re-signed. I would like Stanton back as the “2nd veteran” to Lowe again but I think Manning will play that role – he’s under contract.

  11. dustrock says:

    Yeah rather than the one great chance by Chiasson from the Nurse pass I think it’s more instructive to look at the shots for Nuge’s line.

    Chiasson scores but his possession stats aren’t great, and Lucic is a black hole at this point in time.

  12. oilersfan says:

    Don Maloney for gm

    Discuss

  13. Gret99zky says:

    I wonder how the new GM and his new coach are going to feel about coach Hitchcock clinking glasses with the UB40s upstairs?

    How are the new GM and his coach going to shelter the team from the meddling of Nicholson’s hires?

    Will the new GM’s coach be allowed to bring in his own assistants?

    How many of MacT, Sutter, Scott, Howson, Gulutzan, Yawney, Viveiros, Schwartz, Rodrigue, or Pelletier will Nicholson/Katz allow to be dismissed but continue to be paid?

    And, Katz has to pay the replacements.

    It all seems to point toward (as LT mentioned on Friday) the next GM is a Dead Man Walking.

  14. Primetime says:

    oilersfan:
    Don Maloney for gm

    Discuss

    I think he has done a decent job in the past, but nothing to get super excited about (although simple “competence” may be the low bar the Oilers need to hit with this hire)

    You think he would leave a competent organization in Calgary for this mess? He’s VP Hockey ops right?

  15. Glovjuice says:

    who:
    I thought Anthony DuClair had a hell of a game yesterday. And it got me thinking.What was the cost to Columbus to acquire him? What did it cost for Toronto to acquire Nic Petan? What did it cost Vancouver to acquire Josh Leivo?
    These were 3 names that this blog suggested acquiring on numerous occasions. All 3 seem to be performing well with their new clubs. And all 3 appear to be more skilled than anyone in our bottom 6 yesterday.
    Did our pro scouts not recommend these players?
    Did Chia not listen to them?
    Hitch mentioned foot speed numerous times yesterday. 2 of these guys would certainly improve the club in that area and the 3rd guy has a fairly long history of putting the puck in the net.
    Don’t we need those things?

    The pro scouting sucks to high heaven. That’s the simple answer. Rieder was done due to an injury; that slow Finn last year (or was it this year) totally done as well. chaison was lucky but godda give credit (but so streaky that the goals dried up when we needed more). manning, wtf, petrovic (gawd, slow as molasses at -273 K). So, yes, we need those things but don’t underestimate the power of incompetence denial. The Oilers are fucked. Totally fucked. I mean holy shit – look at the team president or whatever Nicks is – holy hell.

  16. 36 percent body fat says:

    lowetide, its says cave line no goals,

  17. Lowetide says:

    36 percent body fat:
    lowetide, its says cave line no goals,

    Yes. The Cave line that did score was Gambardella-Cave-Gagner, but NTS didn’t list that trio among their ‘most used’ lines. Probably a case of Gambardella staying on late.

  18. Jethro Tull says:

    Glovjuice,

    The Oilers are worse now than when they won the McDavid lottery. They have managed to get even worse with 3 consecutive 100pt McDavid seasons.

    The worst mistake was believing the playoff season was a fluke. They did it and didn’t even realize.

    YOU BLEW IT UP! AH, DAMN YOU! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!

  19. Ray says:

    oilersfan:
    Don Maloney for gm

    Discuss

    Better than the last man. Sure.

  20. Jethro Tull says:

    Ray: Better than the last man. Sure.

    It’s an incredibly low bar. When the fans believe they could do a better job, it’s usually hyperbole. Not here.

  21. Dustylegnd says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Speaking of the goalies, LT, I see you throw Brian Elliot’s name out there as a potential 1B – that is a name I’ve been throwing about for a while – I think he’s a good target.Should come in around the right price (apx $2M or so), is an established veteran and has the clear ability to push Koskinen and take over for stretches.

    Its interesting, I’ve been absolutely torn apart on another platform by a few pretentious posters for suggestion Elliot – it means I know nothing about goaltending and nothing about hockey, apparently.

    Goal tending is 80% of the game……until you don’t have it and then it is 100%…..the Oilers haven’t had a true #1 since Ranford…….think about that

  22. Dustylegnd says:

    Ray: Better than the last man. Sure.

    Let us remember that Treliving and Chaka were both important parts of the Coyotes while Maloney was GM

    Positives are that this would suggest Maloney knows how to surround himself with talented employees from diverse hockey backgrounds

    Maloney would seem to be an early adopter of advanced analytics

    Maloney is experienced enough and wealthy enough to negotiate significant power allowing him to come in and fire MacT, Howson, Green and whoever else is part of the past 5 year shit show

    There is no way our Overwhelmed Autocrat Nickel Bob hires anyone like Maloney

    Edit…….Ohh I forgot…….for the Love of Dog…..fire Sutter and his band of Idiots too

  23. jtblack says:

    The TOP 3 teams in the Central are a combined 46 games over .500. They are all considered Good to very good teams (NSH WPG ST.L).

    Tampa Bay is 44 Games over.500.

    THAT IS ALL

  24. oilersfan says:

    Don Maloney was on Gregor’s show years ago when he was the coyote’s gm and he is the one that first termed the phrase in this market that “the nhl is not a development league”

    With the limited budget in Phoenix he always signed people
    Weeks into free agency and signed good players for cheap.

    He came to Calgary three years ago and while the Neal signing hasn’t worked out some of the depth drafting and depth signings have been excellent

    That includes Rittich , Derek Ryan, Quine, Czarnik, and he would have had some say in the Carolina trade.

    Of course he would leave his job as VP of hockey ops to be a GM I would
    Be stunned if he wouldn’t

  25. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Dustylegnd: Goal tending is 80% of the game……until you don’t have it and then it is 100%…..the Oilers haven’thad a true #1 sinceRanford…….think about that

    – Cujo says I beg your pardon.

  26. Reja says:

    Dustylegnd: Goal tending is 80% of the game……until you don’t have it and then it is 100%…..the Oilers haven’t had a true #1 sinceRanford…….think about that

    Joseph, Salo and Roloson

  27. SkatinginSand says:

    Dustylegnd,

    Cujo?

  28. Dustylegnd says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Cujo says I beg your pardon.

    I indeed stand corrected….if I remember correctly, we won a lot of games back then didn’t we????

  29. jtblack says:

    I Beleived right to the End. I held out Hope. I pretended my eyes were decieving me.

    This blog has pointed out why the Oilers are not good. Of All the many things to be frustrated about, for me I cannot beleive HOW BAD Edmonton played against some of the worst Teams in the League.

    Just 3 more wins and they are still in the pathetic West chsse.

    New Jersey beat us with an AHL lineup.
    Ottawa beat us with an AHL lineup.

    There were a handful of times that Teams limped into to Edmonton after playing the night before; started their backups and Still soundly beat the Oilers.

    Whoever is Coach next season HAS to make the Oilers be Better at home. FULL STOP.

    I know it all circles back to Lack of depth and overall talent; but some of those Home Ice Losses are simply inexcusable.

    #TheresAlwaysNextYear

  30. Dustylegnd says:

    Reja: Joseph, Salo and Roloson

    You can have Solo and Roloson….cant build sustained success around tenders like that

  31. jtblack says:

    HUNTER are you going to post the final death march tallies so we can all start making excusues why we lucked the Points # we did?

  32. jtblack says:

    Dustylegnd: Goal tending is 80% of the game……until you don’t have it and then it is 100%…..the Oilers haven’t had a true #1 sinceRanford…….think about that

    Ben Scrivens says Hi …… erŕrr.

  33. Bag of Pucks says:

    What’s with all the defeatism guys?

    Burgers has already identified the problem and they’re not resigning the player that singlehandedly prevents this team from competing.

    The OBC has this problem surrounded. No need to worry.

  34. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Mr DeBakey: He, like Chiasson, was floating around in the UFA Clearance Bin last summer.
    No Acquisition Costs.
    Minimal Cap Hit.

    He’s still RFA, 23 YO. Dzingel and a 7th for Duclair and 2 – 2nds according to Capfriendly.

  35. Jethro Tull says:

    Bob’s Burgers:

    OBC Burger

    (Onion, Bacon, Cheddar)

    Who’s next?

  36. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Dustylegnd: I indeed stand corrected….if I remember correctly, we won a lot of games back then didn’t we????

    – well that was what 20 years ago? So merely amplified your point

    – Really though I think our goalie of future needs 6 bonafide NHL D: we had that when Talbot got Vezina votes. That’s about the only time since Ranford or Cujo we’ve had a legit D group IMO.

  37. Glovjuice says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Glovjuice,

    The Oilers are worse now than when they won the McDavid lottery. They have managed to get even worse with 3 consecutive 100pt McDavid seasons.

    The worst mistake was believing the playoff season was a fluke. They did it and didn’t even realize.

    YOU BLEW IT UP! AH, DAMN YOU! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!

    Haha, and the incompetent fool Chia miscalculated and said they weren’t ready to win so made NO moves in a year when it was wide open. So stupid.

  38. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    What’s with all the defeatism guys?

    Burgers has already identified the problem and they’re not resigning the player that singlehandedly prevents this team from competing.

    The OBC has this problem surrounded. No need to worry.

    – And few seem to fuss about Hitch: so get bad coaches and management, keep/ promote bad coaches and management. I thinks that’s LTs mantra.

  39. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Chiarelli said he was impatient, liked heavy hockey. He disliked partying youth and players with opinions we know from Boston.

    He capped himself out with players he thought were better and the answer.

    It’s just that he was wrong. Everyone signed off because they believe the same. They hired their man. He gone.

  40. jp says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    –Really though I think our goalie of future needs 6 bonafide NHL D: we had that when Talbot got Vezina votes.That’s about the only time since Ranford or Cujo we’ve had a legit D group IMO.

    Hold on! We have that same group together again.

    So we do have a goalie, a decent D, and all is good?

  41. Oilman99 says:

    Dustylegnd: You can have Solo and Roloson….cant build sustained success around tenders like that

    Roly took them to one game from the cup, he was for real.

  42. Reja says:

    Reja: Joseph, Salo and Roloson

    Career games over 500 with Oilers Ranford 9yrs -24 Salo 6yrs +19 Roloson 4yrs even. Salo had a couple of really good years here. Roloson tried damn hard to carry that shit team they had after they lost in the final.

  43. LMHF#1 says:

    Reja: Career games over 500 with Oilers Ranford 9yrs -24 Salo 6yrs +19 Roloson 4yrs even. Salo had a couple of really good years here. Roloson tried damn hard to carry that shit team they had after they lost in the final.

    Are we revising history now?

    Salo blew it for multiple Oilers teams good enough to win playoff rounds.

    And that 07-08 team was nothing to sneeze at…would have been okay if MacTavish had grown a brain and played Garon even more.

    Go look at the stats before you post something like that. I had the virtue of watching essentially every home game live as well in 07-08 – but even if all you have is hockeydb, it’s obvious Roloson did no carrying.

  44. Jethro Tull says:

    Glovjuice,

    But he did…..Eberle makes one mistake, a huge confirmation bias box was ticked and he was out of there.

  45. Professor Q says:

    Reja: Joseph, Salo and Roloson

    Dubnyk? Even if based on projections?

  46. Jethro Tull says:

    Professor Q: Dubnyk? Even if based on projections?

    If You have to ask the question….

  47. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I thought Eberle needed to be upgraded, but definitely not without the upgrade part. The Oilers can’t mesh together a plan for the roster and the execution of the plan. They’ve blown both feet off up to the hips at this point.

    If Bob blunders and hires a good GM, outside of this year’s first I’d sacrifice a little future to move the dial. The core is young and locked up, smart moves would not have that huge of a future impact.

    Still hopeful until the deal is done, and then crushed again for another tough Oiler summer..

  48. Jethro Tull says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I thought Eberle needed to be upgraded, but definitely not without the upgrade part. The Oilers can’t mesh together a plan for the roster and the execution of the plan. They’ve blown both feet off up to the hips at this point.

    If Bob blunders and hires a good GM, outside of this year’s first I’d sacrifice a little future to move the dial. The core is young and locked up, smart moves would not have that huge of a future impact.

    Still hopeful until the deal is done, and then crushed again for another tough Oiler summer..

    Even with McDavid and Draisaitl, this team has proven they are not good enough, core AND depth players wise.

  49. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Oilman99: Roly took them to one game from the cup, he was for real.

    Roli took them within one series of the Cup.

  50. Professor Q says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Roli took them within one series of the Cup.

    You know how to dig the salt in deeper, eh?

  51. Jethro Tull says:

    Professor Q: You know how to dig the salt in deeper, eh?

    It’s the only way to bring out the flavour!😉

  52. Primetime says:

    who:
    I thought Anthony DuClair had a hell of a game yesterday. And it got me thinking.What was the cost to Columbus to acquire him?

    Lots of examples of poor Oiler pro scouting and decision making, but not sure Duclair is one of them. How many teams has he played for this year? Tortorella described him as “off the rails” and that he “didn’t know if he knows how to play”. This is while he was still on Columbus.

    Looking good against the Oilers is not really a high bar mark to evaluate talent

  53. McNuge93 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Roli took them within one series of the Cup.

    And if he didn’t get hurt they would have won that series too.

  54. Reja says:

    LMHF#1: Are we revising history now?

    Salo blew it for multiple Oilers teams good enough to win playoff rounds.

    And that 07-08 team was nothing to sneeze at…would have been okay if MacTavish had grown a brain and played Garon even more.

    Go look at the stats before you post something like that. I had the virtue of watching essentially every home game live as well in 07-08 – but even if all you have is hockeydb, it’s obvious Roloson did no carrying.

    Those were fun facts. What a coincidence I to watched all the games back then way before then in fact my first jersey was a Dave Dryden one. I quess we have a difference of opinion I thought Salo had a couple of fine years backstopping a hard working team I loved. After the Oilers traded Pronger and lost other players I wouldn’t have called that team world beaters.

  55. Pescador says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Bob’s Burgers:

    OBC Burger

    (Onion, Bacon, Cheddar)

    Who’s next?

    Dammit, I never thought I would say we needed Tomabellini, Picklington & Lowetuce back in the fold.

  56. Pescador says:

    Jethro Tull: Even with McDavid and Draisaitl, this team has proven they are not good enough, core AND depth players wise.

    I would say that the core is not strong enough to offset how terrible the depth is.
    Need to add to the core & flush the complimentaries

  57. Bruce McCurdy says:

    LMHF#1: Are we revising history now?

    Salo blew it for multiple Oilers teams good enough to win playoff rounds.

    And that 07-08 team was nothing to sneeze at…would have been okay if MacTavish had grown a brain and played Garon even more.

    Go look at the stats before you post something like that. I had the virtue of watching essentially every home game live as well in 07-08 – but even if all you have is hockeydb, it’s obvious Roloson did no carrying.

    Salo lost first round series in 1999, 2000, 2001, & 2003, against the Stars, Stars, Stars & Stars. If memory serves the Stars had a pretty fine team back then. The Oilers scored very few goals in those series.

    Odd fact that Salo started 21 playoff games in his NHL career & every last one of them was against the Stars. His GAA of 2.60 & sv% of .908 were both a hair better than league norms of the period, but looked mediocre next to the airtight Dallas team. Would be interesting to compare the payrolls of the two teams in the pre-cap era, Oilers were always the underdog / road team & produced just the one miracle in ’97.

    In 2001-02, the year Oilers missed the playoffs with Salo as their #1, they finished 2nd in the league in GA.

    I’ll grant you that his game fell off after that (& after the disaster in Salt Lake City) he wasn’t great in the ’03 playoffs & was traded out at the ’04 deadline, but he was Oilers #1 for 5 years & was pretty solid for most of that time. If his greatest crime was not being able to outduel the great Ed Belfour with a lesser team in front of him, i guess he is guilty as charged.

    But you watched all the games so you knew that already.

  58. frjohnk says:

    Pescador: I would say that the core is not strong enough to offset how terrible the depth is.

    YES

    Pescador: Need to add to the core

    YES

    Pescador: flush the complimentaries

    YES

  59. Primetime says:

    McNuge93: And if he didn’t get hurt they would have won that series too.

    Not sure about that.
    Roli/Oilers has already choked on the lead in Game 1 before he got hurt…Conklin was just the final nail.
    I thought Markannen was fantastic the rest of the way, and not the reason we lost the series so not sure Roli could have “won” it on his own

  60. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Professor Q: You know how to dig the salt in deeper, eh?

    Being a fact checker means being a pain in the ass sometimes.

  61. Primetime says:

    Primetime: Not sure about that.
    Roli/Oilers has already choked on the lead in Game 1 before he got hurt…Conklin was just the final nail.
    I thought Markannen was fantastic the rest of the way, and not the reason we lost the series so not sure Roli could have “won” it on his own

    To continue my point:
    In the three games Markannen lost in that series, the Oilers scored a COMBINED 2 goals. Unless Roli was going to score some goals too or lay down 3 straight shutouts…we were going to fall short.
    There was a reason Cam Ward won the Conn Smythe

  62. Reja says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Salo lost first round series in 1999, 2000, 2001, & 2003, against the Stars, Stars, Stars & Stars. If memory serves the Stars had a pretty fine team back then. The Oilers scored very few goals in those series.

    Odd fact that Salo started 21 playoff games in his NHL career & every last one of them was against the Stars. His GAA of 2.60 & sv% of .908 were both a hair better than league norms of the period, but looked mediocre next to the airtight Dallas team. Would be interesting to compare the payrolls of the two teams in the pre-cap era, Oilers were always the underdog / road team & produced just the one miracle in ’97.

    In 2001-02, the year Oilers missed the playoffs with Salo as their #1, they finished 2nd in the league in GA.

    I’ll grant you that his game fell off after that (& after the disaster in Salt Lake City) he wasn’t great in the ’03 playoffs & was traded out at the ’04 deadline, but he was Oilers #1 for 5 years & was pretty solid for most of that time. If his greatest crime was not being able to outduel the great Ed Belfour with a lesser team in front of him, i guess he is guilty as charged.

    But you watched all the games so you knew that already.

    The goal Tommy let in against Belarus ( I think) with all the national pride just gutted his confidence never the same.Dallas had a pretty fine Roster in fact a powerhouse back then.

  63. Bruce McCurdy says:

    As for the 2007-08 Oilers, sure they finished just 3 points out of the playoffs with a 41-35-6 record. Of those 41 wins just 22 came in regulation, 4 in overtime (including the Cogliano 3 in a row that is still an NhL record) & a staggering 15 shootout wins (which is also an all-time NHL record). In real goals they were -27 in a year all the Western playoff teams had positive GD. They made it exciting but it was to comsiderable extent a mirage.

  64. jtblack says:

    Reja: The goal Tommy let in against Belarus ( I think)with all the national pride just gutted his confidence never the same.Dallas had a pretty fine Roster in fact a powerhouse back then.

    Was in Salt Lake for 2002 Olympics Went to CAN – BEL Semi Final.

    Never forget the 4th line on the team was
    SMYTH – LINDROS – NOLAN

    Deadly Team !!!!

  65. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Colby Cave and Joe Gambardella build late-season resumes with Edmonton

    https://theathletic.com/885182/2019/03/24/colby-cave-and-joe-gambardella-build-late-season-resumes-with-edmonton/

  66. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – And few seem to fuss about Hitch: so get bad coaches and management,keep/ promote bad coaches and management. I thinks that’s LTs mantra.

    The most worrisome aspect of Burger’s statement that the new GM has to be a “saw him good” talent savant is that it confirms that the OBC doesn’t understand a fundamental concept of modern successful business. True competitive advantage doesn’t sustain from any one or two key hires. It comes from a commitment to data driven decision making and superior process. The entire organization needs to transform not just a guy or two. That is the ‘culture’ they need to pursue and the fact they think their current culture is up to the challenge despite a decade plus of failure to the contrary says everything. They’re not just dumb and inept. They’re also supremely overconfident and bulletproof because of a business model and a fanboy owner that never penalizes their mistakes. It’s the unfortunate perfect recipe for self sustaining suck.

    Just like this team has frequently chased the ‘whale’ FA signing in the mistaken belief that one high profile add can reverse their fortunes, they apply this same naive belief to operational hirings. In their mind, the slow leaking boat is never the issue. They’re just the right captain away from winning the race.

    If I was a U of A professor in the local MBA program, I would introduce them as a classic case study of a profitable business that succeeds through a captive market despite systemic operational deficiencies. Too big to fail. That’s the reality of this big fish in this small pond and the only way it changes is to stop buying season tickets and merch.

  67. Reja says:

    Professor Q: Dubnyk? Even if based on projections?

    He got swarmed out of town.

  68. pts2pndr says:

    who:
    I thought Anthony DuClair had a hell of a game yesterday. And it got me thinking.What was the cost to Columbus to acquire him? What did it cost for Toronto to acquire Nic Petan? What did it cost Vancouver to acquire Josh Leivo?
    These were 3 names that this blog suggested acquiring on numerous occasions. All 3 seem to be performing well with their new clubs. And all 3 appear to be more skilled than anyone in our bottom 6 yesterday.
    Did our pro scouts not recommend these players?
    Did Chia not listen to them?
    Hitch mentioned foot speed numerous times yesterday. 2 of these guys would certainly improve the club in that area and the 3rd guy has a fairly long history of putting the puck in the net.
    Don’t we need those things?

    Our host plus others have brought these names up. This is why as a group we believe there has to be a change in the pro scouting ranks! It would appear by their collective obvious misses that they are incompetent and or non existent. They are not on par with their counterparts. Is it tradition unhampered by progress, ie lack of advanced stats or the belief in the saw him bad. This deficiency needs to be addressed and rectified asap!

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard with an assist on a first period PP goal. 2-0 London after one.

    Guelph is up 4-0 after the first period – no boxcars for Samorukov.

    Of note again, Guelph is on SN this coming Thursday and Friday – I, personally, can’t wait to watch Samorukov play.

  70. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    In the moments after Nurse effected that breakaway pass, in the midst of a sparely populated game thread in this community, there were 6-7 praises of Darnell Nurse and the past – I was among the those providing praise.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, it was indeed a very nice outlet pass, however, is it also not one that should be expected of a top 4 d-man?In fact, is it not one that should be expected of all the d-men? Is the fact that such praise was provided not an indictment of the overall ability of Nurse (and others) to make such a pass generally? I mean, I think part of it was the surprise that it was made perfectly and the fact that we’ve seen it so rarely this season.

    Is it not possible that a number of our community have formed an opinion on Nurse and are unable or unwilling to accept that Nurse is getting better. As a group we seem to be much better at identifying mistakes than acknowleging progress.

  71. Reja says:

    jtblack: Was in Salt Lake for 2002 Olympics Went to CAN – BELSemi Final.

    Never forget the 4th line on the team was
    SMYTH – LINDROS – NOLAN

    Deadly Team !!!!

    What was the final? Quite a 4th line whether you liked or disliked Lindros he was a beast and his wingers weren’t too shabby either.

  72. pts2pndr says:

    Dustylegnd: Let us remember that Treliving and Chaka were both important parts of the Coyotes while Maloney was GM

    Positives are that this would suggest Maloney knows how to surround himself with talented employees from diverse hockey backgrounds

    Maloney would seem to be an early adopter of advanced analytics

    Maloney is experienced enough and wealthy enough to negotiate significant power allowing him to come in and fire MacT, Howson, Green and whoever else is part of the past 5 year shit show

    There is no way our Overwhelmed Autocrat Nickel Bob hires anyone like Maloney

    Edit…….Ohh I forgot…….for the Love of Dog…..fire Sutter and his band of Idiots too

    Glen Sather’s greatest talent was knowing talent and surrounding himself with talented people!

  73. Reja says:

    Primetime: To continue my point:
    In the three games Markannen lost in that series, the Oilers scored a COMBINED 2 goals. Unless Roli was going to score some goals too or lay down 3 straight shutouts…we were going to fall short.
    There was a reason Cam Ward won the Conn Smythe

    They lost their leader the man that carried them past The Mighty Detroit Red Wings and onwards it Snowballed. The injury had to have been pretty deflating to his teammates you also play a bit differently with the back-up in take less chances offensively. Markannen played good just wasn’t met to be.

  74. Pescador says:

    frjohnk: YES

    YES

    YES

    OH GOD, YES!
    when Harry met Deloris

  75. pts2pndr says:

    jp: Hold on! We have that same group together again.

    So we do have a goalie, a decent D, and all is good?

    As long as we have Russel as the best option for second pairing right D we do not have an NHL calibre top four! This is not on Russel as he gives his best every time on the ice. This is the equivalent of asking a Clydesdale to win the Kentucky Derby.

  76. Glovjuice says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Glovjuice,

    But he did…..Eberle makes one mistake, a huge confirmation bias box was ticked and he was out of there.

    I meant in an open year like that with Connor and a hot goalie make a move or two to go for it.

  77. Pescador says:

    Bag of Pucks:

    Just like this team has frequently chased the ‘whale’ FA signing in the mistaken belief that one high profile add can reverse their fortunes, they apply this same naive belief to operational hirings. In their mind, the slow leaking boat is never the issue. They’re just the right captain away from winning the race.

    This is just fantastic,
    The entire post was great but I like this part the best

  78. Dustylegnd says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – well that was what 20 years ago? So merely amplified your point

    –Really though I think our goalie of future needs 6 bonafide NHL D: we had that when Talbot got Vezina votes.That’s about the only time since Ranford or Cujo we’ve had a legit D group IMO.

    I agree 100%…and now lets dream a really big dream…..how about a right shot D man that can run a PP along with three other D men that can execute a 1st pass zone exit …….and a 5th and 6th D pairing with tight gap control who specialize in preventing clean zone entries

    Jesus I just woke up and pinched myself….nope it isn’t a dream…..its the recurring nightmare called decade 2 of darkness

    The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn’t exists…….did he do a deal with Katz…..and the cost is an eternity of non playoff seasons no matter how many 1st overall picks the Oilers are gifted???

    Lets go with that

  79. Georgexs says:

    No VOR, no NYC, no Melvis, no Ricki, hardly any Wilde, Darkness, Sheps, or Bendelson. WG and frjohnk seem less interested.

    But this Glovjuice person seems amped up.

    It’s the end time, then…

    What the heck, let’s look at some stats under McLellan v1 and v2.

    Record

    v1: 9-10-1, .475 P%
    v2: 24-24-7 .500

    Different versions, looks about the same results.

    version, 5v5 CF60, CA60, CF%

    v1, 56.35, 55.97, 50.17
    v2, 51.88, 57.69, 47.35

    version, 5v5 SF60, SA60, SF%

    v1, 31.62, 30.48, 50.92
    v2, 27.18, 31.59, 46.25

    version, 5v5 GF60, GA60, GF%

    v1, 2.09, 2.47, 45.83
    v2, 2.14, 2.67, 44.5

    Under McLellan v2, the team spends more time in its own zone and gets 4 fewer shots on net per game. But their shooting percentage is up (6.6 under v1 vs. 7.86 under v2) so they’ve managed to score at a little bit better rate. Their defensive play is a little worse and, overall, they’re a little worse at 5v5 under v2 than they were under v1.

    Here’s a quote from an Andrew Berkshire article on the day v2 was hired:

    “Say what you will about the quality of hockey, Hitchcock took a very average to slightly below average defensive team in Dallas and made them into one of the best defensive teams in the NHL last season. They allowed the fewest high danger chances, fewest chances off the rush, fewest rebound chances, fewest chances against overall, and second-fewest chances that were preceded by a cycle pass.”

    I don’t have access to the sportlogiq data but let’s have a look at what NST says:

    version, SCF60, SCA60, SCF%

    v1, 26.75, 26.5, 50.24
    v2, 23.92, 26.79, 47.18

    version, HDCF60, HDCA60, HDCF%

    v1, 10.94, 10.44, 51.18
    v2, 10.07, 12.14, 45.34

    Under v2, the team became worse at generating chances for and preventing chances against.

    v2 took an average scoring chance generating team and turned them into the 4th worst scoring chance generating team.

    v2 took a below average defensive team and turned them into a further below average defensive team.

    And, on special teams:

    version, PPGF60, Rank

    v1, 7.59, 15
    v2, 8.04, 8

    version, PKGA60, Rank

    v1, 9.68, 27
    v2, 9.11, 28

    v2 improved our ranking on PP and had no effect on our ranking on PK.

    v2 is a defensive coach who hasn’t improved our defensive metrics. He’s implemented a system that has our players playing more in our end. CMD, for example, is a 49.6 CF% under v2; he was a 52.4 player under v1.

    Here’s another nice bit. Under v2, we’re a better team on GF% with our top defensive pair (Klefbom-Larsson) off the ice. In fact, we’re better than 50% (50.4) in the 1595 minutes that the team has played without the top pair on the ice.

    I can guess what v2’s response will be. It’ll be the same as v1’s response to the failures of his first year. “I can’t win with these players.” v1 got wholesale changes to the roster. I don’t think v2 has that luxury.

    v2 was quoted by Jones yesterday as saying he can keep coaching until he’s 99. The article ran under a “Hitchcock wants to return as Oilers head coach” headline.

    YOLO, I guess.

    But, Hitch, really, with all your illustriousness and experience and knowledge of the game and how to play to win and your study of motivation and leadership, you couldn’t find 3 more wins to put this team into a playoff race? Would you say you got the best out of this team? And, if so, is the best that you got that much different than the best that the guy you replaced managed? It doesn’t look like it, does it? In which case, why didn’t we just keep THAT guy, Hitch?

  80. Ryan says:

    who:
    I thought Anthony DuClair had a hell of a game yesterday. And it got me thinking.What was the cost to Columbus to acquire him? What did it cost for Toronto to acquire Nic Petan? What did it cost Vancouver to acquire Josh Leivo?
    These were 3 names that this blog suggested acquiring on numerous occasions. All 3 seem to be performing well with their new clubs. And all 3 appear to be more skilled than anyone in our bottom 6 yesterday.
    Did our pro scouts not recommend these players?
    Did Chia not listen to them?
    Hitch mentioned foot speed numerous times yesterday. 2 of these guys would certainly improve the club in that area and the 3rd guy has a fairly long history of putting the puck in the net.
    Don’t we need those things?

    Yeah, interesting question.

    DuClair seems to wear out coaches, but he has a ton of skill in highlight reels. He has 15 goals on the season. DuClair can skate.

    Leivo has 13 goals on the season, but we went with Zykov on waivers. Leivo’s skating looked decent watching against the Canucks. He frequently looked dangerous on the ice either making smart plays or getting to the right places on the ice.

    Petan hasn’t had much chance to play on skill lines.

    The Pro scouts seem entrenched in the Org despite their terrible record.

    I would take all three of those guys for the Oilers.

  81. Bag of Pucks says:

    pts2pndr: Glen Sather’s greatest talent was knowing talent and surrounding himself with talented people!

    He was also an excellent negotiator, teacher/mentor and tactics innovator.

    And that’s the thing, hiring the next Glen Sather is not a viable business plan. These people are too rare. The more achievable aim is to build a better mousetrap and stock it with talent.

  82. Reja says:

    pts2pndr: Glen Sather’s greatest talent was knowing talent and surrounding himself with talented people!

    He also had a talent for bailing them out of trouble while keeping it quiet. He was the players 2nd Dad more then some people realize.

  83. Dustylegnd says:

    Bag of Pucks: The most worrisome aspect of Burger’s statement that the new GM has to be a “saw him good” talent savant is that it confirms that the OBC doesn’t understand a fundamental concept of modern successful business. True competitive advantage doesn’t sustain from any one or two key hires. It comes from a commitment to data driven decision making and superior process. The entire organization needs to transform not just a guy or two. That is the ‘culture’ they need to pursue and the fact they think their current culture is up to the challenge despite a decade plus of failure to the contrary says everything. They’re not just dumb and inept. They’re also supremely overconfident and bulletproof because of a business model and a fanboy owner that never penalizes their mistakes. It’s the unfortunate perfect recipe for self sustaining suck.

    Just like this team has frequently chased the ‘whale’ FA signing in the mistaken belief that one high profile add can reverse their fortunes, they apply this same naive belief to operational hirings. In their mind, the slow leaking boat is never the issue. They’re just the right captain away from winning the race.

    If I was a U of A professor in the local MBA program, I would introduce them as a classic case study of a profitable business that succeeds through a captive market despite systemic operational deficiencies. Too big to fail. That’s the reality of this big fish in this small pond and the only way it changes is to stop buying season tickets and merch.

    Awesome post…fantastic diagnosis….nailed it ……. I mean nailed it

  84. pts2pndr says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I thought Eberle needed to be upgraded, but definitely not without the upgrade part. The Oilers can’t mesh together a plan for the roster and the execution of the plan. They’ve blown both feet off up to the hips at this point.

    If Bob blunders and hires a good GM, outside of this year’s first I’d sacrifice a little future to move the dial. The core is young and locked up, smart moves would not have that huge of a future impact.

    Still hopeful until the deal is done, and then crushed again for another tough Oiler summer..

    You do not in my opinion move this years first. If able move next years first. Almost the same value to your trade partner but much less value to you building around your core group.

  85. Pescador says:

    pts2pndr: As long as we have Russel as the best option for second pairing right D we do not have an NHL calibre top four! This is not on Russel as he gives his best every time on the ice. This is the equivalent of asking a Clydesdale to win the Kentucky Derby.

    100%
    3 pieces are required to make the team competitive.
    Second pairing RHD
    2 top 6 wingers. (4is too much to hope for)
    Can’t acquire all 3 due to cap restrictions & unmovable contracts.
    1 top 6 winger this summer and the other 2 pieces next.
    Just in time for RNH’s current deal to expire,
    FFS

  86. Georgexs says:

    Oh yeah, Cassandra. No question on your track record on PC. You nailed it. I mean nailed it.

    I’m not going to pretend I didn’t defend PC over McLellan. I thought LT was concentrating fire on PC while ignoring McLellan so I tried to balance it by concentrating fire on the HC. But I also gave PC a lot of credit for assembling a winning program back in Boston. My mistake.

  87. Bag of Pucks says:

    Thanks guys!

  88. jtblack says:

    Reja: What was the final? Quite a 4th line whether you liked or disliked Lindros he was a beast and hiswingers weren’t too shabby either.

    Final was against USA. Prob greatest game I have been at in person. Golden a close 2nd

  89. Dustylegnd says:

    Pescador: 100%
    3 pieces are required to make the team competitive.
    Second pairing RHD
    2 top 6 wingers. (4is too much to hope for)
    Can’t acquire all 3 due to cap restrictions & unmovable contracts.
    1 top 6 winger this summer and the other 2 pieces next.
    Just in time for RNH’s current deal to expire,
    FFS

    Who is our 1st pairing Right Shot D man again????…….I think we could use one of those as well

  90. Pescador says:

    Dustylegnd: Who is our 1st pairing Right Shot D man again????…….I think we could use one of those as well

    Of course, we could use alot of things.
    Just trying to be realistic,
    The bar is so low

  91. Dustylegnd says:

    Pescador: Of course, we could use alot of things.
    Just trying to be realistic,
    The bar is so low

    Siggghhhh…..you speak the truth……I can’t even think about the Lucic contract and how screwed we are because of it…..

    I tell myself Chia will never work in professional hockey again and then I read Armstrong looks like he may hire him….wow just wow

  92. Drew says:

    Dustylegnd: You can have Solo and Roloson….cant build sustained success around tenders like that

    What is your definition of success? Those tenders were a part of teams that had runs of success in my books.

    Please share the metrics you are evaluating on.

  93. godot10 says:

    Georgexs:
    No VOR, no NYC, no Melvis, no Ricki, hardly any Wilde, Darkness, Sheps, or Bendelson. WG and frjohnk seem less interested.

    But this Glovjuice person seems amped up.

    It’s the end time, then…

    What the heck, let’s look at some stats under McLellan v1 and v2.

    Record

    v1: 9-10-1, .475 P%
    v2: 24-24-7 .500

    Different versions, looks about the same results.

    version, 5v5 CF60, CA60, CF%

    v1, 56.35, 55.97, 50.17
    v2, 51.88, 57.69, 47.35

    version, 5v5 SF60, SA60, SF%

    v1, 31.62, 30.48, 50.92
    v2, 27.18, 31.59, 46.25

    version, 5v5 GF60, GA60, GF%

    v1, 2.09, 2.47, 45.83
    v2, 2.14, 2.67, 44.5

    Under McLellan v2, the team spends more time in its own zone and gets 4 fewer shots on net per game. But their shooting percentage is up (6.6 under v1 vs. 7.86 under v2) so they’ve managed to score at a little bit better rate. Their defensive play is a little worse and, overall, they’re a little worse at 5v5 under v2 than they were under v1.

    Here’s a quote from an Andrew Berkshire article on the day v2 was hired:

    “Say what you will about the quality of hockey, Hitchcock took a very average to slightly below average defensive team in Dallas and made them into one of the best defensive teams in the NHL last season. They allowed the fewest high danger chances, fewest chances off the rush, fewest rebound chances, fewest chances against overall, and second-fewest chances that were preceded by a cycle pass.”

    I don’t have access to the sportlogiq data but let’s have a look at what NST says:

    version, SCF60, SCA60, SCF%

    v1, 26.75, 26.5, 50.24
    v2, 23.92, 26.79, 47.18

    version, HDCF60, HDCA60, HDCF%

    v1, 10.94, 10.44, 51.18
    v2, 10.07, 12.14, 45.34

    Under v2, the team became worse at generating chances for and preventing chances against.

    v2 took an average scoring chance generating team and turned them into the 4th worst scoring chance generating team.

    v2 took a below average defensive team and turned them into a further below average defensive team.

    And, on special teams:

    version, PPGF60, Rank

    v1, 7.59, 15
    v2, 8.04, 8

    version, PKGA60, Rank

    v1, 9.68, 27
    v2, 9.11, 28

    v2 improved our ranking on PP and had no effect on our ranking on PK.

    v2 is a defensive coach who hasn’t improved our defensive metrics. He’s implemented a system that has our players playing more in our end. CMD, for example, is a 49.6 CF% under v2; he was a 52.4 player under v1.

    Here’s another nice bit. Under v2, we’re a better team on GF% with our top defensive pair (Klefbom-Larsson) off the ice. In fact, we’re better than 50% (50.4) in the 1595 minutes that the team has played without the top pair on the ice.

    I can guess what v2’s response will be. It’ll be the same as v1’s response to the failures of his first year. “I can’t win with these players.” v1 got wholesale changes to the roster. I don’t think v2 has that luxury.

    v2 was quoted by Jones yesterday as saying he can keep coaching until he’s 99. The article ran under a “Hitchcock wants to return as Oilers head coach” headline.

    YOLO, I guess.

    But, Hitch, really, with all your illustriousness and experience and knowledge of the game and how to play to win and your study of motivation and leadership, you couldn’t find 3 more wins to put this team into a playoff race? Would you say you got the best out of this team? And, if so, is the best that you got that much different than the best that the guy you replaced managed? It doesn’t look like it, does it? In which case, why didn’t we just keep THAT guy, Hitch?

    v1 had a healthy Klefbom. And Strome is a better useless player than his replacements.

    Hitch had a worse roster.

  94. Pescador says:

    Georgexs,

    I believe we have established that it’s not the coach(s).
    I don’t mean to minimize your post, I read it and it was excellent
    2/3’s of great coaching is goaltending IMO

  95. Drew says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Salo lost first round series in 1999, 2000, 2001, & 2003, against the Stars, Stars, Stars & Stars. If memory serves the Stars had a pretty fine team back then. The Oilers scored very few goals in those series.

    Odd fact that Salo started 21 playoff games in his NHL career & every last one of them was against the Stars. His GAA of 2.60 & sv% of .908 were both a hair better than league norms of the period, but looked mediocre next to the airtight Dallas team. Would be interesting to compare the payrolls of the two teams in the pre-cap era, Oilers were always the underdog / road team & produced just the one miracle in ’97.

    In 2001-02, the year Oilers missed the playoffs with Salo as their #1, they finished 2nd in the league in GA.

    I’ll grant you that his game fell off after that (& after the disaster in Salt Lake City) he wasn’t great in the ’03 playoffs & was traded out at the ’04 deadline, but he was Oilers #1 for 5 years & was pretty solid for most of that time. If his greatest crime was not being able to outduel the great Ed Belfour with a lesser team in front of him, i guess he is guilty as charged.

    But you watched all the games so you knew that already.

    Well stated. Team budget played a big part of results. Salo was not the critical factor for the team not advancing in those years!

  96. JOFA says:

    Hear, hear! Excellent post Bag of Pucks.

    Why is this organization making decisions without a GM and POHO in place? Why are we now finding out Hitch will be staying on in some capacity for another two years? I also don’t understand why KG is getting props for his drafting record. It remains to be seen how his drafting will turn out. IMO the drafting has been average at best. Just because he didn’t go rogue some people feel he’s done a good job. Stick to McKenzie’s list and we would all do just as well. Has drafting been better since the Ewanyk, Musil, Moroz days? Sure. Extremely low bar folks. Clean house. Fire his ass and the rest of the clowns. Bob, MacT, KLowe, Howson, Green do the organization a favor and hand in your resignation papers. You have failed.

  97. godot10 says:

    Krueger and Nelson had worse rosters than McLellan and Hitchcock and managed mid-seventy something point per season paces.

    Dallas lost Klingberg for over a month, and three of their top five D. Benn and Seguin are inferior to McDavid and Draisaitl. Taylor Fedun is rocking the 3rd pairing.

  98. Pescador says:

    Dustylegnd: Siggghhhh…..you speak the truth……I can’t even think about the Lucic contract and how screwed we are because of it…..

    I tell myself Chia will never work in professional hockey again and then I read Armstrong looks like he may hire him….wow just wow

    Peter Chiarelli in charge of another organization and trying to trade for some of his former players in Edmonton.
    What could be better than that?

  99. Pescador says:

    godot10:
    Krueger and Nelson had worse rosters than McLellan and Hitchcock and managed mid-seventy something point per season paces.

    Dallas lost Klingberg for over a month, and three of their top five D.Benn and Seguin are inferior to McDavid and Draisaitl.Taylor Fedun is rocking the 3rd pairing.

    Go Taylor Fedun!
    Boo Oilers

  100. JOFA says:

    Call Charlie Huddy FFS 😉

  101. Dustylegnd says:

    Pescador: Peter Chiarelli in charge of another organization and trying to trade for some of his former players in Edmonton.
    What could be better than that?

    Gold Gerry…pure Gold….my silver lining for the day

  102. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10:
    Krueger and Nelson had worse rosters than McLellan and Hitchcock and managed mid-seventy something point per season paces.

    Dallas lost Klingberg for over a month, and three of their top five D.Benn and Seguin are inferior to McDavid and Draisaitl.Taylor Fedun is rocking the 3rd pairing.

    Ya know, I’m not 100% certain the first paragraph is true. I think the playoff year had the best roster. After that I think Ralph’s Raiders could cause damage….

  103. bendelson says:

    Did you know: the Oilers 2001-2002 goalie trifecta of Salo (69g), Markkanen (14g), and Conklin (4g), had the best SV% relative to the rest of the league, in Oilers history?

  104. Jethro Tull says:

    Dustylegnd: Gold Gerry…pure Gold….my silver lining for the day

    Pescador: Peter Chiarelli in charge of another organization and trying to trade for some of his former players in Edmonton.
    What could be better than that?

    Parayko and Tarasenko for Benning and Chiasson!

  105. pts2pndr says:

    Primetime: Not sure about that.
    Roli/Oilers has already choked on the lead in Game 1 before he got hurt…Conklin was just the final nail.
    I thought Markannen was fantastic the rest of the way, and not the reason we lost the series so not sure Roli could have “won” it on his own

    Was it not still a tie game when Roli went out? That is how I remember it. Also a week goal by Conklin for the winner. My recall could be wrong??🥺 I also thought at the time there was a deliberate atempt to injure! Could be my Oiler bias!

  106. Dustylegnd says:

    Drew: What is your definition of success? Those tenders were a part of teams that had runs of success in my books.

    Please share the metrics you are evaluating on.

    No metrics considered….an emotional post….inspired by a hangover and our loss to the worst team in the league who over the past year has lost the following list of players:

    Erik Karlsson,
    Mark Stone,
    Mike Hoffman,
    Matt Duchene,
    Ryan Dzingel,
    Derick Brassard
    Kyle Turris
    This years 1st round pick

    Ottawa lost all those players has nothing to show fo the vast majority of them and they just beat us

    but in my mind I don’t think either Salo or Rolly were considered top 15 starters vs their contemporaries…they both had flashes and temporary successes… I acknowledge that yes

    What I do like is that a great series of discussions came from my frivolous post inspired by this hangover I am still dealing with today….full fog mode

  107. pts2pndr says:

    Pescador: 100%
    3 pieces are required to make the team competitive.
    Second pairing RHD
    2 top 6 wingers. (4is too much to hope for)
    Can’t acquire all 3 due to cap restrictions & unmovable contracts.
    1 top 6 winger this summer and the other 2 pieces next.
    Just in time for RNH’s current deal to expire,
    FFS

    I feel your pain!

  108. Dustylegnd says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Parayko and Tarasenko for Benning and Chiasson!

    Excellent value for the Blues…we can live with what we get in return 😎

  109. pts2pndr says:

    Pescador:
    Georgexs,

    I believe we have established that it’s not the coach(s).
    I don’t mean to minimize your post, I read it and it was excellent
    2/3’s of great coaching is goaltending IMO

    And what did Mclellan ever win? He was given some very good teams! Had the Oil down 3-1 the year the Oil went to the final. Only ring was as an assistant. Years of tradition unhampered by progress! Not a great coach. Was at odds with both GM’s in SanJose and Edmonton.

  110. pts2pndr says:

    JOFA:
    Call Charlie Huddy FFS

    Huddy was a very big part of the success of 2006!

  111. Reja says:

    jtblack: Final was against USA. Prob greatest game I have been at in person.Golden a close 2nd

    I know I could feel the atmosphere through the TV what a game to be at live Cheers. I was asking what the score was on the Belarus game I can’t for the live of me remember that one.

  112. pts2pndr says:

    Dustylegnd: Who is our 1st pairing Right Shot D man again????…….I think we could use one of those as well

    Klefbom Larsson are full value first pairing. Showed as much in the worlds playing for Sweden. At 8.2 cap they are not the problem. No true value 2nd pair right D and shakey 5 and 6 skews the overall. Good news for the team is there is quality comming!

  113. Georgexs says:

    godot10: v1 had a healthy Klefbom.And Strome is a better useless player than his replacements.

    Hitch had a worse roster.

    Nice to see you, godot.

    I know how much you like Klef. And v2 started on an 8-2-1 roll until Klef got hurt. Then the wheels fell off. I don’t see Klef quite the way you do but I agree he’s used as a top pair on our team which means the minutes he misses are 1st pair (and PP1) minutes. Tough minutes for any team to replace.

    With a full complement of defenders, v2’s results look good. v2 has had 17 games of Sekera and Klef. And they’ve gone 9-5-3 over that span. That’s 9-1-2 against current non-playoff teams and 0-4-1 against current playoff teams. They’ve had a relatively easy stretch of games.

    With Klef out of the lineup for his finger injury, the team went 5-12-2. So comparing records only with Klef in the lineup, I get 9-10-1 for v1 and 19-12-5 for v2. That point % would put us in the playoffs… hmmm…

    OK. The results look different enough that I shouldn’t dismiss them.

    Not sure why the overall results for the first pair under v2 are so poor.

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    Three assists for Bouchard in a 5-0 win. That’s 7 points in 2 games.

    Samorukov with an assist in a 7-0 win.

    Both up 2-0 in their respective series and I think the 2nd round will have them play each other (at least one will be available for the Bake).

  115. Reja says:

    Dustylegnd: No metrics considered….an emotional post….inspired by a hangover and our loss to the worst team in the league who over the past year has lost the following list of players:

    Erik Karlsson,
    Mark Stone,
    Mike Hoffman,
    Matt Duchene,
    Ryan Dzingel,
    Derick Brassard
    Kyle Turris
    This years 1st round pick

    Ottawa lost all those players has nothing to show fo the vast majority of them and they just beat us

    but in my mind I don’t think either Salo or Rolly were considered top 15 starters vs their contemporaries…they both had flashes and temporary successes… I acknowledge that yes

    What I do like is that a great series of discussions came from my frivolous post inspired by this hangover I am still dealing with today….full fog mode

    Hoffman quietly has 35 goals happy wife happy life.The beautiful Lana Turner once said. A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend. A successful woman is one who can find such a man.

  116. Scungilli Slushy says:

    pts2pndr: You do not in my opinion move this years first. If able move next years first. Almost the same value to your trade partner but much less value to you building around your core group.

    Exactly. A very deep draft as well. I would move a later first however, making the misguided assumption the right management moves will happen and things will get better.

    I won’t switch loyalties, I can’t. Like others I will lose interest instead, although I love watching Connor, but in the same breath watching him suffer won’t be palatable, I’d be left with his highlights.

    The Oiler’s current run of full seats I think is directly due to how strong the economy was over a good period.

    If it stays soft they will lose paying customers. I am certain of it. Maybe Katz gets lucky and things start humming again and a lot of Oiler fans will have 10K a year to blow on season seats. If not maybe a business saving change of heart will manifest. I think the plan was based on rabid loyalty, and other than that might be a house of cards. Melnyk 2.0.

  117. Georgexs says:

    Pescador:
    Georgexs,

    I believe we have established that it’s not the coach(s).
    I don’t mean to minimize your post, I read it and it was excellent
    2/3’s of great coaching is goaltending IMO

    “I believe we have established that it’s not the coach(s).”

    Actually, no. godot has pointed out something that I didn’t take into account in my first post.

    With Klef in the lineup, Hitch has gotten more out of this team than McLellan did. Hitch has playoff team results with this team with Klef in the lineup. Which sort of plays to my it’s a coaching thing from last season, i.e, if you have a CMD, and you want to hold yourself out as an above replacement level coach, you should at a minimum make the playoffs.

    It’s curious, may have to do with strength of schedule, but, yeah, my v1 and v2 shtick doesn’t work…

    i read my post, too. Turns out it wasn’t excellent.

  118. Reja says:

    JOFA:
    Call Charlie Huddy FFS

    Underated as a player and a coach wonder why he left.

  119. Dustylegnd says:

    pts2pndr: Klefbom Larsson are full value first pairing. Showed as much in the worlds playing for Sweden. At 8.2 cap they are not the problem. No true value 2nd pair right D and shakey 5 and 6 skews the overall. Good news for the team is there is quality comming!

    competition at the worlds is grossly watered down…relying on the performance of Larsson and Kleff at the world championships and declaring them a legitimate 1-2 NHL pairing is folly….Kleff is a good #2 when paired with a legit #1 D……Larrson’s skill set is far far far too limited to consider him a #1…he can’t pass and creates very very limited offence (3 goals and 15 assists or 15 points 5×5 good for 86 th in the league)

    Good lord I just realized Doughty has 15 5×5 points and 0 5×5 goals and makes 11 million a year….yikes

    Look down the road 3 hours Gio 72 points, Brodie 32 points, Hannifin 30 points Hamonic 17 points Andersson 16 points

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dustylegnd: Goal tending is 80% of the game……until you don’t have it and then it is 100%…..the Oilers haven’t had a true #1 sinceRanford…….think about that

    I recall really liking Tommy Salo for a few years until he was ruined by Belarus.

    No, Dwayne Roloson was NOT a true #1 as an Oiler – playoff heater aside, he was not good enough in the following years – lots of similar traits to Koskinen actually as far as leaking bad goals and at bad times.

  121. Dustylegnd says:

    OriginalPouzar: I recall really liking Tommy Salo for a few years until he was ruined by Belarus.

    No, Dwayne Roloson was NOT a true #1 as an Oiler – playoff heater aside, he was not good enough in the following years – lots of similar traits to Koskinen actually as far as leaking bad goals and at bad times.

    Thanks for the support OP, like I said it was an emotional frivolous post, and I embarrassed myself by forgetting we even had Cujo…but these are the evils of mixing the grain and the grape thus producing a world class hangover and brain fog

    Great to see your Boy Benson on a heater down In Bako as well 👍

  122. Primetime says:

    pts2pndr: Was it not still a tie game when Roli went out? That is how I remember it. Also a week goal by Conklin for the winner. My recall could be wrong?? I also thought at the time there was a deliberate atempt to injure! Could be my Oiler bias!

    Yep, bought they had blown the big lead and it was ALL Carolina at the time, coming in waves. Very week goal by Ty, but no guarantees that Oil win in OT, since the momentum was all Carolina. Regardless, point was the rest of the games were 3-3, don’t think Roloson presence alone wins the series. Just my observation.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – well that was what 20 years ago? So merely amplified your point

    –Really though I think our goalie of future needs 6 bonafide NHL D: we had that when Talbot got Vezina votes.That’s about the only time since Ranford or Cujo we’ve had a legit D group IMO.

    The defence that Koskinen has struggled behind over the last 6 games is the exact same defence that Talbot played behind when he got those Vezina votes……. Sekera likely worse but Nurse better.

  124. Primetime says:

    Reja: They lost their leader the man that carried them past The Mighty Detroit Red Wings and onwards it Snowballed. The injury had to have beenpretty deflating to his teammates you alsoplay a bit differently with the back-up in take less chances offensively. Markannen played good just wasn’t met to be.

    But they got BETTER as the series went on, not snowballing downward. In fact they absolutely dominated game 6…didn’t seem like Carolina had a chance going into game 7. You think they all of sudden started missing Roli after that game?
    Regardless, my point was I don’t think losing Roli lost the series. The offence didn’t show up in Game 7 and we lost an elimination game 3-1, no fault of the goalie. In fact rumour had it that’s why KLowe was so belligerent on the Smyth contract, because he felt he was the offensive leader and should have scored in Game 7…..
    Either way, would have been a glorious win, but likely doesn’t change the course of history and we would still be in the mess we are today (just with an extra Stanley!)

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: Roly took them to one game from the cup, he was for real.

    He was for real for the first three rounds of the OHL playoffs but it was a massive heater as proven by the next few years where he wasn’t even close to that goalie and simply not good enough.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    For The Athletic: Colby Cave and Joe Gambardella build late-season resumes with Edmonton

    https://theathletic.com/885182/2019/03/24/colby-cave-and-joe-gambardella-build-late-season-resumes-with-edmonton/

    Colby Cave may cost Kyle Brodziak his job next year – Brodz can be buried in the AHL at the most nominal of all cap hits ($25K I believe without re-doing the math) and Cave as 4C will save close to $500K.

  127. Georgexs says:

    godot10: v1 had a healthy Klefbom.And Strome is a better useless player than his replacements.

    Hitch had a worse roster.

    I found this:

    https://nhlinjuryviz.blogspot.com/2018/10/201819-team-injury-breakdowns.html

    Poking around, I see that both Klef and Russell got hurt in that COL game. Russell was out for 10 games and Klef was out for 19 games. So, for those 10 games after he started hot (8-2-1), Hitch had a roster that was missing 3 of the top 4 D that TMac had in his 16-17 season. They went 2-7-1 in those 10 games.

    They seem to have missed more D games to injury this year than last as well (103 to 80). Although TMac had a very ineffective Sek, and a shoulder-plagued Klef.

    Hmmm, is the gap between playoff and non-playoff team for us basically healthy defensemen?

    Man, CMD is incredible..

  128. Pescador says:

    pts2pndr: Huddy was a very big part of the success of 2006!

    I thought he retired in 97′

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: As long as we have Russel as the best option for second pairing right D we do not have an NHL calibre top four! This is not on Russel as he gives his best every time on the ice. This is the equivalent of asking a Clydesdale to win the Kentucky Derby.

    I agree with this 100% – I’ve provided my opinion of a real 2RD as a (the) priority for a few years now.

    At the same time, the context of the post was Kinger and his position that Koskinen only struggles because of the defensive group and then used Talbot’s vezina play behind the defensive group from 2016 as an example – the exact same defensive group that Koskinen is currently struggling to provide decent goaltending behind.

    He essentially proved the counter-point to his argument.

  130. Pescador says:

    Georgexs: “I believe we have established that it’s not the coach(s).”

    Actually, no. godot has pointed out something that I didn’t take into account in my first post.

    With Klef in the lineup, Hitch has gotten more out of this team than McLellan did. Hitch has playoff team results with this team with Klef in the lineup. Which sort of plays to my it’s a coaching thing from last season, i.e, if you have a CMD, and you want to hold yourself out as an above replacement level coach, you should at a minimum make the playoffs.

    It’s curious, may have to do with strength of schedule, but, yeah, my v1 and v2 shtick doesn’t work…

    i read my post, too. Turns out it wasn’t excellent.

    Ha, so I was incorrect about the only 2 premises I had?
    What I meant was I appreciated how much effort you put into it even if the theory doesn’t hold water.
    Although I don’t wish to get drawn into a debate over whom is the worse coach,
    Someone would have to convince me that the roster is not flawed to begin with.
    Hitch is 11-10-2 since 77 returned from injury.
    So ya Western Div playoff pace

  131. Georgexs says:

    Georgexs: Nice to see you, godot.

    I know how much you like Klef. And v2 started on an 8-2-1 roll until Klef got hurt. Then the wheels fell off. I don’t see Klef quite the way you do but I agree he’s used as a top pair on our team which means the minutes he misses are 1st pair (and PP1) minutes. Tough minutes for any team to replace.

    With a full complement of defenders, v2’s results look good. v2 has had 17 games of Sekera and Klef. And they’ve gone 9-5-3 over that span. That’s 9-1-2 against current non-playoff teams and 0-4-1 against current playoff teams. They’ve had a relatively easy stretch of games.

    With Klef out of the lineup for his finger injury, the team went 5-12-2. So comparing records only with Klef in the lineup, I get 9-10-1 for v1 and 19-12-5 for v2. That point % would put us in the playoffs… hmmm…

    OK. The results look different enough that I shouldn’t dismiss them.

    Not sure why the overall results for the first pair under v2 are so poor.

    A further refinement would be to subtract the Sekera results which would give Hitch a 10-7-2 record with Klef vs. TMac’s 9-10-1 record. All without Sek. Hitch would be on a 95 point pace with that record. Sample size is small though. Tricky…

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    Drew: What is your definition of success? Those tenders were a part of teams that had runs of success in my books.

    Please share the metrics you are evaluating on.

    That was not directed at me, however, the eye test, watching each and every game, was absolutely good enough to posit that Roloson was not good enough, not at all, in the years after 2006.

    Awful goals at awful times – nightly – it was like Koskinen not on a heater.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Parayko and Tarasenko for Benning and Chiasson!

    Will he also take Lucic and Russell to make the cap work? They are Chiarelli-type players…..

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dustylegnd: Thanks for the support OP, like I said it was an emotional frivolous post, and I embarrassed myself by forgetting we even had Cujo…but these are the evils of mixing the grain and the grape thus producing a world class hangover and brain fog

    Great to see your Boy Benson on a heater down In Bako as well

    My post was actually a response to the very first post suggesting we haven’t had a true #1 since Ranford – without reading any of the other responses.

    Yup, Benson is actually exceeding even my expectations. I mean, top 10 in AHL scoring and 2nd in rookie scoring, in a 20 year old first year pro season…..

    Its been really nice to see his skating improve through the year as well as his neutral zone/blue line decision making.

    Lets recall how highly touted he was as a skilled player coming in the the WHL…..

  135. Alpine says:

    Jethro Tull: Ya know, I’m not 100% certain the first paragraph is true. I think the playoff year had the best roster. After that I think Ralph’s Raiders could cause damage….

    Ralph’s roster wasn’t that great (horrific D core, to start) though he had some PDO luck that the others did not get. Don’t know if I’d say it was one of the better rosters since 2012.

    _________________

    As an aside, in some ways, Ralph deserves credit and in some ways he doesnt. If we got a full 82 game season of Ralph but the PDO wore off, I wonder if he’s looked at as a more of a nice guy who wasn’t a good enough coach instead of a good coach who got a lot out of a bad roster.

    He didn’t get much more out of the team than Renney did. There’s a meagre 2% difference in winning percentage between Renney’s last season and Krueger’s 2013 team.

    The Oilers have chewed up and spat out so many coaches, all of different ilks. The experienced (Renney, McLellan, Hitch) and the rookies (Krueger, Eakins, Nelson) both came up short.

    Hard to lay much of anything at their feet other than just not overachieving and the odd young player who didn’t get much ice time.

  136. Drew says:

    OriginalPouzar: That was not directed at me, however, the eye test, watching each and every game, was absolutely good enough to posit that Roloson was not good enough, not at all, in the years after 2006.

    Awful goals at awful times – nightly – it was like Koskinen not on a heater.

    i think he was .915 in 2008 and .905 in 2007 not world beater but not crap

  137. Reja says:

    Primetime: But they got BETTER as the series went on, not snowballing downward.In fact they absolutely dominated game 6…didn’t seem like Carolina had a chance going into game 7.You think they all of sudden started missing Roli after that game?
    Regardless, my point was I don’t think losing Roli lost the series.The offence didn’t show up in Game 7 and we lost an elimination game 3-1, no fault of the goalie.In fact rumour had it that’s why KLowe was so belligerent on the Smyth contract, because he felt he was the offensive leader and should have scored in Game 7…..
    Either way, would have been a glorious win, but likely doesn’t change the course of history and we would still be in the mess we are today (just with an extra Stanley!)

    Game 6 was a masterpiece. Game 7 Carolina just smothered us I think it was Pisani that hit the post with 3 minutes left to tie it up. Only the hockey Gods know what the outcome would have been. Myself I believe 100 percent we win if Roloson doesn’t go down which makes him a Number 1 for this fan. The following years with the team we had I thought he played well before getting run out of town.

  138. Georgexs says:

    Pescador: Ha, so I was incorrect about the only 2 premises I had?
    What I meant was I appreciated how much effort you put into it even if the theory doesn’t hold water.
    Although I don’t wish to get drawn into a debate over whom is the worse coach,
    Someone would have to convince me that the roster is not flawed to begin with.
    Hitch is 11-10-2 since 77 returned from injury.
    So ya Western Div playoff pace

    The theory was TMac = Hitch. You’re saying it doesn’t hold water. Then you’re saying no difference with Klef. Same record, really. So ya, it’s all the flawed roster. If it’s all the flawed roster, then TMac = Hitch. No difference. Which was the theory.

  139. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: My post was actually a response to the very first post suggesting we haven’t had a true #1 since Ranford – without reading any of the other responses.

    Yup, Benson is actually exceeding even my expectations.I mean, top 10 in AHL scoring and 2nd in rookie scoring, in a 20 year old first year pro season…..

    Its been really nice to see his skating improve through the year as well as his neutral zone/blue line decision making.

    Lets recall how highly touted he was as a skilled player coming in the the WHL…..

    We need Benson to hit paydirt hopefully starting next year. Still need a winger to score 35-40 playing with Connor and Leon and he’s not in the Dumpster Pile.

  140. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar: That was not directed at me, however, the eye test, watching each and every game, was absolutely good enough to posit that Roloson was not good enough, not at all, in the years after 2006.

    Awful goals at awful times – nightly – it was like Koskinen not on a heater.

    Although it was fascinating to see him catch the puck behind the goalline and behind his back, frequently, and somehow get away with it. He’d showcase it so very well.

    One of the few things us Edmonton fans were lucky to see go our way, considering how the rest of the time has gone. Likely very frustrating for opposing teams and fans.

  141. Bruce McCurdy says:

    bendelson:
    Did you know:the Oilers 2001-2002 goalie trifecta of Salo (69g), Markkanen (14g), and Conklin (4g), had the best SV% relative to the rest of the league, in Oilers history?

    I would have guessed Dubnyk & Khabibulin in 2013, when both were > .920, so i looked it up.

    2001-02 Salo – Markkanen – Conkiln .916 – League Avg .908 = +.008
    2013 Dubnyk – Khabibulin – Danis .920 – League Avg .912 = +.008

    .. so close enough to a tie give or take rounding errors.

    My view is that mathematically speaking, the higher the league average is the harder it is to exceed it since the upper constraint remains firm at 1.000, but we’re still in the realm of rounding errors. Strong netminding in both of those seasons. As mentioned previously the 2001-02 team was 2nd in the league in GA, while I specifically remember the Krueger Oilers ranking 19th in GA despite being 29th in SA. Then that summer MacTavish fired Krueger, hired Eakins and “had to ask the question” about DD. That worked out well.

  142. stephen sheps says:

    Georgexs,

    Hi Georgexs!

    I’m still here, just trying to grade 230+ sport sociology papers… No grading assistants when you’re contract faculty.

    Your post does tell an interesting story, as all good numbers posts should. Nice to see such a detailed breakdown. However as some have already stated, the roster Hitch has isn’t nearly as good as the roster the team started the season with, but all of that is moot since both rosters were poor. In any case, I’m sure glad you posted it!

    Does the team look better with a healthy Klef and Sek? Probably. Do the numbers back it up? Maybe? I’ve tuned out due to the volume of work I have at the moment, which is a bummer.

    Sadly about the only interesting thing for me for most of this season, other than Drai’s quest for 100 of course, has been providing new and funny ways of doing the weekly Yak reports. It’s a shame that I don’t have as much time for the things I love, like the Oilers and hanging out here. This is especially true now that my article on analytics and sport media is under peer review – I can just hang out here as a regular person again, without having my researcher hat on – but there is simply not enough time. It sucks. I miss the conversations with all the folks you mentioned with your bat-signal, even Bendelson! I’m also sad that I’m less present to get to know the newer folks. Sadly these papers won’t grade themselves, so I suppose I should get back to it…

    In case anyone is interested, the broad themes I assigned for the sport sociology term papers were ‘activist athletes and social change’ or ‘sport and global development.’ Some of the papers have even been really good!

  143. YKOil says:

    Georgexs: I found this:
    https://nhlinjuryviz.blogspot.com/2018/10/201819-team-injury-breakdowns.html
    Poking around, I see that both Klef and Russell got hurt in that COL game. Russell was out for 10 games and Klef was out for 19 games. So, for those 10 games after he started hot (8-2-1), Hitch had a roster that was missing 3 of the top 4 D that TMac had in his 16-17 season. They went 2-7-1 in those 10 games.

    They seem to have missed more D games to injury this year than last as well (103 to 80). Although TMac had a very ineffective Sek, and a shoulder-plagued Klef.

    Hmmm, is the gap between playoff and non-playoff team for us basically healthy defensemen?

    Man, CMD is incredible..

    Basically, yes. Speaking to just the healthy d-man aspect of it, with a healthy Sekera we have had a chance.

    My thoughts are that by the end of this season Sekera will have done enough, to show that he still has enough, that if he is the Cap cut this off-season he will fetch a 2nd round pick level return.

    He’s a smart, smart player.

  144. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Reja: I know I could feel the atmosphere through the TV what agame to be at live Cheers. I was asking what the score was on the Belarus game I can’t for the live of me remember that one.

    Belarus 4 Sweden 3 is my recollection. Then Canada stomped Belarus something like 7-1 in the Sweden-less semi final, & took out USA 5-2 for the gold.

  145. Reja says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Belarus 4 Sweden 3 is my recollection. Then Canada stomped Belarus something like 7-1 in the Sweden-less semi final, & took out USA 5-2 for the gold.

    I felt so bad for Tommy on that fluke goal he was roasted hard for months by everyone afterwards. Have to go back and watch but the one Dallas series he literally stood on his head for a good portion of that series.

  146. frjohnk says:

    Georgexs: A further refinement would be to subtract the Sekera results which would give Hitch a 10-7-2 record with Klef vs. TMac’s 9-10-1 record. All without Sek. Hitch would be on a 95 point pace with that record. Sample size is small though. Tricky…

    I look at it like this.

    Todd felt he needed Talbot back to his level from a couple of years ago but Talbot never bounced back to those levels and it cost Todd his job. ( I think he was on a short leash at the start of the year)

    -Not having all 6D healthy for the whole year has not helped, but every team has injuries. Unless the team has injuries like the 15-16 season, I dont know if it can be looked upon as much of an excuse.

    -Todd could not unlock JP, and even though there was quite a bit of verbal fro Hitch that he could, JP was not unlocked during Hitchs tenure either.

    -Todd could not get Reider to score, either could Hitch.
    -Chiasson was the 4th leading forward scorer for Todd and Hitch
    -Kassian was rarely put with McDavid with Todd. Hitch put Kassian with McDavid and that has been a fine move.
    -Both coaches tried to pull Lucic out of the abyss, both failed.

    Here is how both coaches used McDavid and Leon and results

    Todd coaching McDavid WO Leon GF/60 2.03 GF% 53% 235 minutes
    Todd coaching Leon WO McDavid GF/60 1.83 GF% 43% 196 minutes
    Todd coaching Leon McDavid together GF/60 5.84 GF% 64% 92 minutes

    Hitch coaching McDavid WO Leon GF/60 2.37 GF% 34% 303 minutes
    Hitch coaching Leon WO McDavid GF/60 1.74 GF% 34% 344 minutes
    Hitch coaching Leon McDavid together GF/60 3.92 GF% 57% 612 minutes

    Both coaches could not separate them and have much success scoring. SSS with Todd and the McDavid without Leon number which is the only positive GF% number when the big two are apart for both coaches.

    – Both coaches had terrible secondary scoring.
    Todd with McDavid, Drai, RNH on the bench 1.27 GF/60 GF% 33% this was on an avg of 18:54 a game.
    Hitch with McDavid, Drai, RNH on the bench 1.08 GF/60 GF% 38% this was on an avg of 16:02 a game.

    There are some differences between the coaches here and there, but for the most part, both coaches moved the dial in at about the same pace, both were hampered by poor roster construction after the core.

    Im looking forward to an upgrade in the coach and roster that properly supports the core of the team.

  147. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Reja: I felt so bad for Tommy on that fluke goal he was roasted hard for months by everyone afterwards. Have to go back and watch but the one Dallas series he literally stood on his head for a good portion of that series.

    Tommy got a lot of grief in Sweden & it wasn’t very fair IMO. I guess short memories & recency bias transcend natonal borders, because it didn’t seem like many remembered Tommy being the goalie of record when Sweden beat Canada for the gold at Lillehammer 1994. Everyone remembers the “postage stamp” shootout move by Peter Forsberg in the extra round of the shootout, but less retrospective attention is paid to the spectacular kick save Salo made off Paul Kariya in Canada’s half-inning that sealed the deal.

    25 years later, still then most dramatic denouement to a shootout I’ve ever seen. Still painful, too.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N5sEzu1njoA#fauxfullscreen

  148. frjohnk says:

    Hitch coaching
    Big 3 ( 97, 29, 93) on the bench, Nurse on the ice ( so bottom 6 forwards with 1 of top 4 pairs)
    GF/60 1.36
    GF% 53%
    309 minutes

    So they score at levels less than league avg 4th lines ( about 1.8 GF/60) but they are at least positive GF%

    Hitch coaching
    Big 3 on the bench, Klefbom on the ice ( so bottom 6 forwards with 1 of top 4 pairs)
    GF/60 0.94
    GF% 43%
    191 minutes

    Score less than with Nurse above,( well below 4th levels) but also negative GF%

    Hitch coaching
    Big 3, Nurse and Klefbom on the bench( so these numbers are mostly bottom 6 forwards with 3rd pairing D)
    GF/60 0.94
    GF% 27%
    383 minutes

    Wow.

    Todd coaching
    Big 3 on the bench, Nurse on the ice ( so bottom 6 forwards with 1 of top 4 pairs)
    GF/60 1.34
    GF% 33%
    134 minutes

    Todd coaching
    Big 3 on the bench, Klefbom on the ice ( so bottom 6 forwards with 1 of top 4 pairs)
    GF/60 1.44
    GF% 43%
    125 minutes

    Todd coaching
    Big 3, Nurse and Klefbom on the bench( so these numbers are mostly bottom 6 forwards with 3rd pairing D)
    GF/60 1.02
    GF% 25%
    117 minutes

    Bottom 6 have showed they can not score even close to league avg 4th line levels. The numbers without a top 4 Dman are ghastly. The numbers do uptick somewhat with a top 4 Dman but are still not good. Doesnt matter the coach.

  149. Reja says:

    Reja: I felt so bad for Tommy on that fluke goal he was roasted hard for months by everyone afterwards. Have to go back and watch but the one Dallas series he literally stood on his head for a good portion of that series.

    When Tommy faced Dallas they had upfront Modano Hull Nieuwendyk to name a few on D Sydor Hatcher and one of the most underrated D ever Zubov with Eddie the eagle in net. You would have to be pretty cold hearted to blame Tommy Salo in those playoff loses in my opinion.

  150. Georgexs says:

    OriginalPouzar: The defence that Koskinen has struggled behind over the last 6 games is the exact same defence that Talbot played behind when he got those Vezina votes……. Sekera likely worse but Nurse better.

    Koskinen has started 16 of 17 games since Sek came back. At this pace, over the course of a season, he would start 77 games. Which compares with Talbot, who started 73 in 16-17.

    Over the 16 game stretch, Koskinen has a .914 sv%. Talbot had a .919 sv% in 16-17.

    League average sv% this season is .910. In 16-17, it was .913.

    Talbot was slightly better than the average 16-17 goalie than Koski compared to the average goalie this season.

    Koski’s GAA is 2.81 over the 16 game stretch. Talbot’s was 2.39. Koski’s been pulled in a couple of games, I think. Evidence of the lack of consistency that bothers you so much.

    His record against playoff teams hasn’t been great. I don’t remember exactly how Talbot did but I seem to remember that, due to our terrible record against the East, we had a losing record against playoff teams that season as well.

    Overall P% in the 16 games for Koski is .656. Talbot went .630 in 16-17.

    Koskinen looks like 16-17 Talbot (or at least close enough) in terms of the goaltending the team is getting. But I don’t watch every game. So he must really not look like Talbot.

  151. Georgexs says:

    stephen sheps,

    Sounds hectic. I hope your paper goes on to be cited a kazillion times.

    Drai just needs 5 more to get to 100. If he gets a hat trick in the home stand, he might get to 50.

    That would be swell.

  152. Biggus Dickus says:

    Dustylegnd: I indeed stand corrected….if I remember correctly, we won a lot of games back then didn’t we????

    Think we won 2-3 series. Wouldn’t call it a miraculous success.

  153. Georgexs says:

    frjohnk: I look at it like this.

    Todd felt he needed Talbot back to his level from a couple of years ago but Talbot never bounced back to those levels and it cost Todd his job.( I think he was on a short leash at the start of the year)

    -Not having all 6D healthy for the whole year has not helped, but every team has injuries. Unless the team has injuries like the 15-16 season, I dont know if it can be looked upon as much of an excuse.

    -Todd could not unlock JP, and even though there was quite a bit of verbal fro Hitch that he could, JP was not unlocked during Hitchs tenure either.

    -Todd could not get Reider to score, either could Hitch.
    -Chiasson was the 4th leading forward scorer for Todd and Hitch
    -Kassian was rarely put with McDavid with Todd.Hitch put Kassian with McDavid and that has been a fine move.
    -Both coaches tried to pull Lucic out of the abyss, both failed.

    Here is how both coaches used McDavid and Leon and results

    Todd coaching McDavid WO Leon GF/60 2.03 GF% 53% 235 minutes
    Todd coaching Leon WO McDavid GF/60 1.83 GF% 43% 196 minutes
    Todd coaching Leon McDavid together GF/60 5.84 GF% 64% 92 minutes

    Hitch coaching McDavid WO Leon GF/60 2.37 GF% 34% 303 minutes
    Hitch coaching Leon WO McDavid GF/60 1.74 GF% 34% 344 minutes
    Hitch coaching Leon McDavid together GF/60 3.92 GF% 57% 612 minutes

    Both coaches could not separate them and have much success scoring.SSS with Todd and the McDavid without Leon number which is the only positive GF% number when the big two are apart for both coaches.

    – Both coaches had terrible secondary scoring.
    Todd with McDavid, Drai, RNH on the bench 1.27 GF/60 GF% 33% this was on an avg of 18:54 a game.
    Hitch with McDavid, Drai, RNH on the bench 1.08 GF/60 GF% 38% this was on an avg of 16:02 a game.

    There are some differences between the coaches here and there, but for the most part, both coaches moved the dial in at about the same pace, both were hampered by poor roster construction after the core.

    Im looking forward to an upgrade in the coach and roster that properly supports the core of the team.

    Yeah. Hitch seems to make the same moves but he has to work with what he’s got. McLellan had different incarnations of the team and PC made changes to suit him, I suppose. Although they really didn’t seem to be on the same page.

    Hitch’s team is playing much less of a possession game than TMac’s teams. Both coaches seem to be content with vanilla offensive schemes.

    Hitch came in with an “I know what’s wrong and I can fix it” cavalry charge. I was so hopeful. But then it went sideways. After the Klef/Russell injuries in the COL game.

    The feeling I get with these veteran coaches is they don’t like their reputation to be tarnished. They don’t want the losing to stick to them. They start campaigning for themselves in the press. And the press seems to love both of these guys and stick up for them. I could be wrong about Hitch; I haven’t followed him as much. But he is awfully old and awfully far removed from success in this league.

    I’d like the HC to protect the players and not have them feel that he’s in a different boat than they are.

    For a change.

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    Drew: i think he was .915 in 2008 and .905 in 2007 not world beater but not crap

    Except for the fact that, almost every game, he would let in bad goals and generally at terrible times – this was almost every game. Save percentage notwithstanding, he was not good enough – crippling goals nightly.

  155. pts2pndr says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Exactly. A very deep draft as well. I would move a later first however, making the misguided assumption the right management moves will happen and things will get better.

    I won’t switch loyalties, I can’t. Like others I will lose interest instead, although I love watching Connor, but in the same breath watching him suffer won’t be palatable, I’d be left with his highlights.

    The Oiler’s current run of full seats I think is directly due to how strong the economy was over a good period.

    If it stays soft they will lose paying customers. I am certain of it. Maybe Katz gets lucky and things start humming again and a lot of Oiler fans will have 10K a year to blow on season seats. If not maybe a business saving change of heart will manifest. I think the plan was based on rabid loyalty, and other than that might be a house of cards. Melnyk 2.0.

    For me in the Oilers will always be my team. I was tired of winter so moved to the Okanagan. You can take the boy out of Alberta but you can not take Alberta out of the boy. I will remain Oiler and Alberta strong!

  156. OriginalPouzar says:

    As far as the premise that “with a healthy D, this team can make the playoffs”, I don’t disagree with that if the goaltending holds up – looking at the last 5-6 games, healthy D but shitty tending – not good enough.

    Also, we can’t simply rely on “healthy D” – other team overcome the loss of d-men, multiple d-men, important d-men, however the same thing craters this team. Of course, the reason is lack of depth. The replacement d-men have not been good enough and, the incumbent d-men have not been good enough to slide up the depth chart and take on more minutes and responsibilities.

    The second point is a reason why Sekera shouldn’t be traded, even if he is slotted at 3LD to start the year – having him as injury cover for Nurse or Klef is extremely valuable.

    On the first point, starting next year, this team should finally be able to have depth to cover injuries – there should be NHL-ready d-men, at least one, if not multiple, peculating in Bakersfield and ready for the call – skilled, young, ready NHL d-men.

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    Georgexs: Koskinen has started 16 of 17 games since Sek came back. At this pace, over the course of a season, he would start 77 games. Which compares with Talbot, who started 73 in 16-17.

    Over the 16 game stretch, Koskinen has a .914 sv%. Talbot had a .919 sv% in 16-17.

    League average sv% this season is .910. In 16-17, it was .913.

    Talbot was slightly better than the average 16-17 goalie than Koski compared to the average goalie this season.

    Koski’s GAA is 2.81 over the 16 game stretch. Talbot’s was 2.39. Koski’s been pulled in a couple of games, I think. Evidence of the lack of consistency that bothers you so much.

    His record against playoff teams hasn’t been great. I don’t remember exactly how Talbot did but I seem to remember that, due to our terrible record against the East, we had a losing record against playoff teams that season as well.

    Overall P% in the 16 games for Koski is .656. Talbot went .630 in 16-17.

    Koskinen looks like 16-17 Talbot (or at least close enough) in terms of the goaltending the team is getting. But I don’t watch every game. So he must really not look like Talbot.

    Thank you for crunching the numbers but what they don’t show is that they are a function of heaters and cold streaks and Koskinen has shown a complete inability to be consistent over the course of the season. Aside from the really hot stretch when he took the next over in the fall and the 10 game stretch after the deadline, he’s been ice cold, including the last 5-6 games with the fully healthy D.

    His overall numbers are “OK” but, in my mind, a starting tender needs to be much more “level” than Koskinen.

  158. Johnny skid says:

    Georgexs: I’d like the HC to protect the players and not have them feel that he’s in a different boat than they are.

    do you have an example of hitch not protecting his players?

  159. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Except for the fact that, almost every game, he would let in bad goals and generally at terrible times – this was almost every game. Save percentage notwithstanding, he was not good enough – crippling goals nightly.

    The thing with aggregate stats is they don’t show players who consistently make critical mistakes.

    A goalie can have a good save %, but if he lets in a stinker a game, that is not like a goalie having an off game. Especially if it’s early and puts the good guys behind the game. Always behind the 8 ball. Teams need goalies that they can rely on other than an infrequent off game in which they get pulled, and every player has.

    Consistency in sports is the main thing. There are a rare few players that can outplay that problem, but very few IMO. As in Connor is getting outscored right now, but we know he’ll right the ship. And is a consistent game changer, and still young.

    The Patriots run has been based on players executing without many big blunders. There will always be human error, with the Oilers it’s a couple a game. Killer.

    Players like Gagner and Eberle who had good stats and scoring totals at times, but who crapped the bed on critical mistakes over time, are a problem. Because they can only be top 6 players and they aren’t good enough at the end of the day on a strong team, so they bounce. Eberle’s re-up will be interesting, and I don’t want him back – he doesn’t have what Connor and Leon need. Will Eberle get paid? I bet he takes a haircut big time.

    Talbot and Koski are the same. Playing as shooter tutor fine, any movement and there are problems, both weak glove hands. At least Koski is big enough that if he gets his angles sorted there is nothing to shoot at.

  160. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Johnny skid: do you have an example of hitch not protecting his players?

    I do. He’s blaming them for the lack of execution. Lots of MSM interviews have this.

    A coach with balls would frame it as the roster as constructed has trouble competing, my guys give 110% every game. The coaches haven’t been creative enough.

    Because we’ve seen little change since he took over in play, just Klef and Sekera coming back and Talbot traded. It is hard to change things up in season, but I would say easier for a failing team – what is there to lose attempting in season changes?

  161. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Thank you for crunching the numbers but what they don’t show is that they are a function of heaters and cold streaks and Koskinen has shown a complete inability to be consistent over the course of the season.Aside from the really hot stretch when he took the next over in the fall and the 10 game stretch after the deadline, he’s been ice cold, including the last 5-6 games with the fully healthy D.

    His overall numbers are “OK” but, in my mind, a starting tender needs to be much more “level” than Koskinen.

    You know Kurri had to have a big say on Kosh sounds like Talbot didn’t want to stay. There’s not much in the free agent market next year.I still was shocked by term and dollars if they sign a solid back up for 2 mil they’ll be a good tandom. Kosh has the athleticism and desire I think he’ll work on the Quickness of shots from different angles then he’s used to in the KHL and his glove this off season.

  162. Pescador says:

    Georgexs:
    stephen sheps,

    Sounds hectic. I hope your paper goes on to be cited a kazillion times.

    Drai just needs 5 more to get to 100. If he gets a hat trick in the home stand, he might get to 50.

    That would be swell.

    Does he or any other Oiler have a hatty this season?

  163. Georgexs says:

    Johnny skid: do you have an example of hitch not protecting his players?

    I have examples of the opposite.

    I specifically remember when he started he was pumping everyone’s tires. Our strength is our goaltending. Our group is grinding hard. We’re picking things up fast. It’s a real privilege to develop a guy like JP. I know he called out the referees after that Vancouver game.

    I didn’t stay tuned when the losing started. Just remembered hearing at some point (Firiedman?) how Hitch was fed up and ready to quit. I’d say noise but things that end up in the NHL media seem to be placed there. Also heard how the players needed Hitch to back off at some point, be more positive in the dressing room.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ken-hitchocks-oilers-future-depend-positive-tone/

    There’s the “coaches can’t want it more than the players” bit:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/time-ken-hitchcock-stop-criticizing-oilers-players/

    Brian Burke(!) summed it up: “In the player’s minds, you’re either in the foxhole with them or you’re the enemy.” Wow, I never saw this before.

    I mostly remember McLellan’s antics. Maybe I’m mixing them up.

    I’ve learned to distrust coaches who are cozy with the local media.

  164. Johnny skid says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I do. He’s blaming them for the lack of execution. Lots of MSM interviews have this.

    A coach with balls would frame it as the roster as constructed has trouble competing, my guys give 110% every game. The coaches haven’t been creative enough.

    Because we’ve seen little change since he took over in play, just Klef and Sekera coming back andTalbot traded. It is hard to change things up in season, but I would say easier for a failing team – what is there to lose attempting in season changes?

    i have viewed most pre game and post game interviews that hitch has done and i never once felt he through his players under the bus unlike the prior coach. i remember him mentioning team being tired or lack of team speed but never mentioning a individual by name like Nicolson did.

  165. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As far as the premise that “with a healthy D, this team can make the playoffs”, I don’t disagree with that if the goaltending holds up – looking at the last 5-6 games, healthy D but shitty tending – not good enough.

    Also, we can’t simply rely on “healthy D” – other team overcome the loss of d-men, multiple d-men, important d-men, however the same thing craters this team.Of course, the reason is lack of depth.The replacement d-men have not been good enough and, the incumbent d-men have not been good enough to slide up the depth chart and take on more minutes and responsibilities.

    The second point is a reason why Sekera shouldn’t be traded, even if he is slotted at 3LD to start the year – having him as injury cover for Nurse or Klef is extremely valuable.

    On the first point, starting next year, this team should finally be able to have depth to cover injuries – there should be NHL-ready d-men, at least one, if not multiple, peculating in Bakersfield and ready for the call – skilled, young, ready NHL d-men.

    Love the positivety but until they solve the second pairing right D spot the team will wander in the non playoff wilderness. Russel is not the answer yet the coaching staff sees him as the best answer at this time. This should be the teams number one priority this off season but I fear it will be same old same old! Getting new oars for the boat and ignoring the hole in the hull is a fools errand. This is us.

  166. Georgexs says:

    OriginalPouzar: Thank you for crunching the numbers but what they don’t show is that they are a function of heaters and cold streaks and Koskinen has shown a complete inability to be consistent over the course of the season.Aside from the really hot stretch when he took the next over in the fall and the 10 game stretch after the deadline, he’s been ice cold, including the last 5-6 games with the fully healthy D.

    His overall numbers are “OK” but, in my mind, a starting tender needs to be much more “level” than Koskinen.

    You could be right about his inconsistency. I’ve never bothered to check. Maybe his sv% fluctuates more than other starters.

    But other starters don’t get the workload he gets either. Hitch and TMac both lean on their starters much more than usual. I’d blame the quality of the backups but some of those backups under TMac are still in the league. And Talbot will probably find work as well.

  167. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Healthy D doesn’t mean you allow yourself to get outshot by the dregs of the league.
    At least we got over 25 shots on the Sens. First time in 3 games we broke 20 shots
    Now I don’t have the numbers but I’m willing to bet that teams that don’t get 20 shots in a game unless they have big score effects tend to not win games much

  168. Georgexs says:

    Pescador: Does he or any other Oiler have a hatty this season?

    Nope. Only one other team with the same distinction.

  169. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    You know you pretty much describe every meh starter in the league. You like to Talk consistency. Talk about Murray’s consistency. How about Rittich consistency. Allen? Jones? Bob? How about Dubnyks consistency? Holtby? Rask is famous for his inconsistency? Bishop? The problem with goalies that are not elite is that they are consistently inconsistent.
    The key is to have a backup that you can run with for 10 games while your starter goes through his consistently inconsistent patch

  170. Pescador says:

    Georgexs: The theory was TMac = Hitch. You’re saying it doesn’t hold water. Then you’re saying no difference with Klef. Same record, really. So ya, it’s all the flawed roster. If it’s all the flawed roster, then TMac = Hitch. No difference. Which was the theory.

    I didn’t say that the theory didn’t hold water,
    You said it when you posted “my post was not so excellent”
    You based that on something that godot pointed out,
    That’s my theory anyway,
    Spider Spider-
    https://youtu.be/v8wJt59Q6So
    Your Pesci in this scene btw, I’m Spider

  171. Pescador says:

    Georgexs: Nope. Only one other team with the same distinction.

    Which is crazy,
    even crazier if he hits 50 without at least one

  172. Primetime says:

    Reja: Game 6 was a masterpiece. Game 7 Carolina just smothered us I think it was Pisani that hit the post with 3 minutes left to tie it up. Only the hockey Gods know what the outcome would have been. Myself I believe 100 percent we win if Rolosondoesn’t go down which makes him a Number 1 for this fan. The following years with the team we had I thought he played well before gettingrun out of town.

    Totally appreciate your viewpoint. We can agree to disagree but still be united in our Oiler fandom misery of losing that damned 7th game!

  173. leadfarmer says:

    I do wonder how hard they go after Eberle given how in love this team is with ex-Oilers

  174. Johnny skid says:

    Georgexs: I have examples of the opposite.

    I specifically remember when he started he was pumping everyone’s tires. Our strength is our goaltending. Our group is grinding hard. We’re picking things up fast. It’s a real privilege to develop a guy like JP. I know he called out the referees after that Vancouver game.

    I didn’t stay tuned when the losing started. Just remembered hearing at some point (Firiedman?) how Hitch was fed up and ready to quit. I’d say noise but things that end up in the NHL media seem to be placed there. Also heard how the players needed Hitch to back off at some point, be more positive in the dressing room.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ken-hitchocks-oilers-future-depend-positive-tone/

    There’s the “coaches can’t want it more than the players” bit:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/time-ken-hitchcock-stop-criticizing-oilers-players/

    Brian Burke(!) summed it up: “In the player’s minds, you’re either in the foxhole with them or you’re the enemy.” Wow, I never saw this before.

    I mostly remember McLellan’s antics. Maybe I’m mixing them up.

    I’ve learned to distrust coaches who are cozy with the local media.

    your example did not help my position. hitch’s comments are not out of the ordinary for a coach who is trying to motivate a team to play better. From my views of the coach this team is lucky to have him.

  175. Pescador says:

    leadfarmer:
    I do wonder how hard they go after Eberle given how in love this team is with ex-Oilers

    I doubt it, I mean we’re not talking about mgmt or the draft

  176. Pescador says:

    pts2pndr: Love the positivety but until they solve the second pairing right D spot the team will wander in the non playoff wilderness. Russel is not the answer yet the coaching staff sees him as the best answer at this time. This should be the teams number one priority this off season but I fear it will be same old same old! Getting new oars for the boat and ignoring the hole in the hull is a fools errand. This is us.

    I feel like I’m pounding on the “Upgrade KR for 2RD” drum as hard as anyone but I disagree with you.
    The Oilers 2ill make the playoffs next season with
    1. Koskinen 915 sv%
    2. Healthy d-core as is
    3. 25 goals on one side of RNH or Draisaitl
    4. 15 on the other.
    5. 3rd line that doesn’t give it all back.
    Essentially upgrade the bottom six & find a top 6 winger preferably 2

  177. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: You knowKurri had to have a big say on Kosh sounds like Talbot didn’t want to stay. There’s not much in the free agent market next year.I still was shocked by term and dollars if they sign a solid back up for 2 mil they’ll be a good tandom. Kosh has the athleticism and desire I think he’ll work on the Quickness of shots from different anglesthen he’s used to in the KHL and his glove this off season.

    From accounts, yes, Kurri’s verbal was a part of the reason they focussed on Koskinen.

    Yes, I heard that, at the end, Talbot wanted to be moved (to be clear, I’m quite certain he really liked the city and being an Oiler but that was just a function of how the season went and, essentially losing his net.

    Not a great market for goalies but that is no reason to commit term and money to one that has been below average, 5 months before free agency – lets not forget how bad he was playing at the time (and had been for a month). I think the contract is more of a risk than entering the off-season with no goalies signed – the risk is 3 year and it looks really bad right now.

    That back-up needs to be a tender than we are confident can take over the starters’ role for stretches. I think we know he’s going to need to.

    I’m sure he’ll work very hard but I don’t think his overall game is going to get much better at 31 and, as far as becoming more comfortable on the ice surface (angles, etc.), well, if that has been the issue, it doesn’t exude confidence that, after a full season, he hasn’t improved at all and, to my eye, has regressed as far a angles go.

  178. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: Love the positivety but until they solve the second pairing right D spot the team will wander in the non playoff wilderness. Russel is not the answer yet the coaching staff sees him as the best answer at this time. This should be the teams number one priority this off season but I fear it will be same old same old! Getting new oars for the boat and ignoring the hole in the hull is a fools errand. This is us.

    Preaching to the choir – I have been opining that 2RD is the #1 priority for years.

    Show me some Stralman – 2 X $4.25M.

  179. Georgexs says:

    frjohnk,

    “Bottom 6 have showed they can not score even close to league avg 4th line levels. The numbers without a top 4 Dman are ghastly. The numbers do uptick somewhat with a top 4 Dman but are still not good. Doesnt matter the coach.”

    For scoring, the thing that hurts the most is Lucic and JP not being able to play top 6. PC was counting on both of those things when he dealt Eberle last season. But TMac came out of camp with KY on the first line and Lucic went into an awful spiral following Christmas and he’s stayed there since.

    I’ve tried to defend Lucic through most of it. To me, it’s just a bad idea to run down your players whatever you think of the HC or GM. I can be hard on management but I support whichever players take the ice for our team. It’s hard to make it work otherwise.

    But we badly needed Lucic to at least semi-perform in a top 6 role, which means scoring at close to his career rate. That’s the way he needed to lead. The sad thing is he’s gone so meekly and quietly. He hasn’t even raged or kicked as his powers diminished. This is an ugly town for that kind of thing. Lucic was used to stable line mates. Coming to EDM, he must’ve thought he would play with CMD for years and years. He should’ve considered what would happen if that doesn’t work out. What will playing and living in EDM look like if the team can’t win and he can’t score and is the extra money worth it? He should’ve taken LA’s offer. Sun, anonymity, kids get to walk to the beach.

    i don’t agree with “Doesn’t matter the coach” because I think some coaches create better systems for their players. They think about how they can encourage them, build them up, ways to cover up their flaws and give them little edges here and there. They work with whatever they have. They gain trust by giving trust. Build them up. Not tear them down. The players on the other team and one of the most knowledgeable fan bases in hockey will take care of that.

    Hitch has gone even further than McLellan in leaning on CMD-Drai-RNH. He’s put the vehicle in ludicrous mode. I like the try of the farm guys. I hope he rewards that.

  180. Georgexs says:

    Johnny skid: your example did not help my position.hitch’s comments are not out of the ordinary for a coach who is trying to motivate a team to play better.From my views of the coach this team is lucky to have him.

    No worries.

  181. OriginalPouzar says:

    Georgexs: You could be right about his inconsistency. I’ve never bothered to check. Maybe his sv% fluctuates more than other starters.

    But other starters don’t get the workload he gets either. Hitch and TMac both lean on their starters much more than usual. I’d blame the quality of the backups but some of those backups under TMac are still in the league. And Talbot will probably find work as well.

    Sorry, I don’t buy that workload argument at all, in fact, its somewhat the opposite – After Koskinen’s famous heater dissipated in the fall, he went on a two-month ice cold streak – I don’t think there was a single game from December 15 through February 15 where he was solid from start to finish.

    In that time, he played 16 games and Talbot 13. He had an .881 Save Percentage, a 3.75 GAA and a GSAA of -2.15.

  182. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    You know you pretty much describe every meh starter in the league.You like to Talk consistency.Talk about Murray’s consistency. How about Rittich consistency.Allen?Jones? Bob?How about Dubnyks consistency?Holtby?Rask is famous for his inconsistency?Bishop? The problem with goalies that are not elite is that they are consistently inconsistent.
    The key is to have a backup that you can run with for 10 games while your starter goes through his consistently inconsistent patch

    Of course all goalies go through slumps here and there but I don’t call what we’ve seen from Koskinen general consistent play with some slump – the swings have been much more pronounced. He literally has only had two stretches of good play – the heater in the fall and the apx 10 games after the trade deadline. He had a massive two month ice cold stretch and, now, after his post-deadline heater has turned cold for the last 5 or 6 games.

    That is not starting goalending, in my opinion, as the team cannot be rely on their tender.

  183. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    If you have a save percentage of 880 and GSAA is only -2 you know your defense is terrible.
    Yeah you suck cause you posted an 880 save percentage when an avg goalie should have easily posted a 885 save percentage.
    It’s a big deal for these goalies coming over from Russia as you can tell by him not getting any games the first month. His contract was stupid but I’m curious how he plays next year when things are a bit more familiar

  184. OriginalPouzar says:

    If Eberle is willing to sign in the $3.5M range, that has the potential to be a massive value contract.

  185. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: I feel like I’m pounding on the “Upgrade KR for 2RD” drum as hard as anyone but I disagree with you.
    The Oilers 2ill make the playoffs next season with
    1. Koskinen 915 sv%
    2. Healthy d-core as is
    3. 25 goals on one side of RNH or Draisaitl
    4. 15 on the other.
    5. 3rd line that doesn’t give it all back.
    Essentially upgrade the bottom six& find a top 6 winger preferably 2

    Not upgrading 2RD negatively effects the potential for each of 1, 3 and 4 to happen.

  186. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    If you have a save percentage of 880 and GSAA is only -2 you know your defense is terrible.
    Yeah you suck cause you posted an 880 save percentage when an avg goalie should have easily posted a 885 save percentage.
    It’s a big deal for these goalies coming over from Russia as you can tell by him not getting any games the first month.His contract was stupid but I’m curious how he plays next year when things are a bit more familiar

    Of note, in that same time frame, Talbot’s GSAA was +2.

  187. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    You can’t compare small sample sizes to other small sample sizes. It’s funny hearing a goalies worst stretch of the season only cost the team two goals compared to average starter.. That’s not half bad
    I can’t tell if Koskinen will settle to be a good starter but I can tell Old Dusty Relic’s game plan would still eat a good goalie alive.
    The only consistent thing about this team is throwing the goalie to the wolves

  188. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: From accounts, yes, Kurri’s verbal was a part of the reason they focussed on Koskinen.

    Yes, I heard that, at the end, Talbot wanted to be moved (to be clear, I’m quite certain he really liked the city and being an Oiler but that was just a function of how the season went and, essentially losing his net.

    Not a great market for goalies but that is no reason to commit term and money to one that has been below average, 5 months before free agency – lets not forget how bad he was playing at the time (and had been for a month).I think the contract is more of a risk than entering the off-season with no goalies signed – the risk is 3 year and it looks really bad right now.

    That back-up needs to be a tender than we are confident can take over the starters’ role for stretches.I think we know he’s going to need to.

    I’m sure he’ll work very hard but I don’t think his overall game is going to get much better at 31 and, as far as becoming more comfortable on the ice surface (angles, etc.), well, if that has been the issue, it doesn’t exude confidence that, after a full season, he hasn’t improved at all and, to my eye, has regressed as far a angles go.

    The Koskinen signing is worse than the Russel signing and is downright lawsuit worthy for season seat holders. Dreadful signing. How in the hell was it allowed to happen.

  189. Georgexs says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sorry, I don’t buy that workload argument at all, in fact, its somewhat the opposite – After Koskinen’s famous heater dissipated in the fall, he went on a two-month ice cold streak – I don’t think there was a single game from December 15 through February 15 where he was solid from start to finish.

    In that time, he played 16 games and Talbot 13.He had an .881 Save Percentage, a 3.75 GAA and a GSAA of -2.15.

    No need to be sorry.

    He struggled.

    Let’s check Talbot in that same period.

    3.59 GAA
    .892 sv%
    2.15 GSAA

    I’m not entirely sure how NST calculates GSAA. It seems to say Koski let in 2 more shots than average and Talbot stopped 2 more shots than average. Given both their sv% was in the 80’s, they didn’t do much better/worse than expected apparently.

    Most of those games were played without Klef. The losing with Hitch started at that point. The first 8 of those games in your window were played without Russell, so without 3 of our top 4 D.

    Don’t know what to expect of any goalie at that point. Oh wait, I do know, an expected sv% below .900. Koski didn’t rescue them so Talbot saw more games. Talbot didn’t rescue them either. His contract was up. He was traded. Koski was given a puzzling contract that was way out of line with how he performed.

    You don’t have to try too hard to make a case against Koski. He hasn’t been anywhere near as hot as when Hitch started. He gets beat glove side way too often. Pucks slip through places he should have covered. If he doesn’t play like a starter, we’re stuck with him for the next 3 years. See, easy. Feel better? I don’t.

  190. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Re: consistent goalies

    None of them are.

    Gibson is by far the best goalie in the league imo and here’s a 14 game stretch from this year:

    4-Feb 0.857
    2-Feb 0.571
    23-Jan 0.839
    19-Jan 0.935
    17-Jan 1.000
    15-Jan 0.880
    13-Jan 0.882
    11-Jan 0.829
    9-Jan 0.933
    6-Jan 0.833
    4-Jan 0.929
    31-Dec 0.943
    29-Dec 0.833

    I buy the “over worked” narrative as well and we can see this here too I think.

    I watch a lot of hockey and no goalie is consistent and every goalie lets in stinkers at the wrong time when they’re not on a heater.

    The smart teams rarely get above 65 gp for their starters let alone a 70+ gp pace.

    EDM is not smart.

  191. Reja says:

    Georgexs:
    frjohnk,

    “Bottom 6 have showed they can not score even close to league avg 4th line levels. The numbers without a top 4 Dman are ghastly. The numbers do uptick somewhat with a top 4 Dman but are still not good. Doesnt matter the coach.”

    For scoring, the thing that hurts the most is Lucic and JP not being able to play top 6. PC was counting on both of those things when he dealt Eberle last season. But TMac came out of camp with KY on the first line and Lucic went into an awful spiral following Christmas and he’s stayed there since.

    I’ve tried to defend Lucic through most of it. To me, it’s just a bad idea to run down your players whatever you think of the HC or GM. I can be hard on management but I support whichever players take the ice for our team. It’s hard to make it work otherwise.

    But we badly needed Lucic to at least semi-perform in a top 6 role, which means scoring at close to his career rate. That’s the way he needed to lead. The sad thing is he’s gone so meekly and quietly. He hasn’t even raged or kicked as his powers diminished. This is an ugly town for that kind of thing. Lucic was used to stable line mates. Coming to EDM, he must’ve thought he would play with CMD for years and years. He should’ve considered what would happen if that doesn’t work out. What will playing and living in EDM look like if the team can’t win and he can’t score and is the extra money worth it? He should’ve taken LA’s offer. Sun, anonymity, kids get to walk to the beach.

    i don’t agree with “Doesn’t matter the coach” because I think some coaches create better systems for their players. They think about how they can encourage them, build them up, ways to cover up their flaws and give them little edges here and there. They work with whatever they have. They gain trust by giving trust. Build them up. Not tear them down. The players on the other team and one of the most knowledgeable fan bases in hockey will take care of that.

    Hitch has gone even further than McLellan in leaning on CMD-Drai-RNH. He’s put the vehicle in ludicrous mode. I like the try of the farm guys. I hope he rewards that.

    Well said

  192. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk:
    Hitch coaching
    Big 3 ( 97, 29, 93) on the bench, Nurse on the ice ( so bottom 6 forwards with 1 of top 4 pairs)
    GF/60 1.36
    GF% 53%
    309 minutes

    So they score at levels less than league avg 4th lines ( about 1.8 GF/60) but they are at least positive GF%

    Hitch coaching
    Big 3 on the bench, Klefbom on the ice ( so bottom 6 forwards with 1 of top 4 pairs)
    GF/60 0.94
    GF% 43%
    191 minutes

    Score less than with Nurse above,( well below 4th levels) but also negative GF%

    Hitch coaching
    Big 3, Nurse and Klefbom on the bench( so these numbers are mostly bottom 6 forwards with 3rd pairing D)
    GF/60 0.94
    GF% 27%
    383 minutes

    Wow.

    Todd coaching
    Big 3 on the bench, Nurse on the ice ( so bottom 6 forwards with 1 of top 4 pairs)
    GF/60 1.34
    GF% 33%
    134 minutes

    Todd coaching
    Big 3 on the bench, Klefbom on the ice ( so bottom 6 forwards with 1 of top 4 pairs)
    GF/60 1.44
    GF% 43%
    125 minutes

    Todd coaching
    Big 3, Nurse and Klefbom on the bench( so these numbers are mostly bottom 6 forwards with 3rd pairing D)
    GF/60 1.02
    GF% 25%
    117 minutes

    Bottom 6 have showed they can not score even close to league avg 4th line levels. The numbers without a top 4 Dman are ghastly.The numbers do uptick somewhat with a top 4 Dman but are still not good.Doesnt matter the coach.

    Good stuff Padre, thanks for the work.

    If you break out RNH its pretty ugly too.

    RNH without 97/29 with 77 – 35%GF

    RNH without 97/29 with 25 – 45% GF

    RNH without 97/29/25/77 – 47.6% GF

    Also,

    Klef’s GF% this year is shit again.

    In previous years it was due to inflated Goals Against compared to the rest.

    This year though, the SH% hits the ditch and while Dmen can improve the CF% and therefore GF%, they don’t move the needle at all on SH%. That needle is moved by forwards exclusively.

    Klef’s PDO this year:

    With Larsson PDO 969 – SH% 4.13 – SV% .928
    Without Larsson PDO 1006 – SH% 8.82 – SV% .918

    Larsson has nothing to do with the SH% either.

    I was sad to see Klef’s GF% in the dumper again this year, but quite heartened when I saw it was SH% driven.

  193. Glovjuice says:

    Georgexs:
    frjohnk,

    “Bottom 6 have showed they can not score even close to league avg 4th line levels. The numbers without a top 4 Dman are ghastly. The numbers do uptick somewhat with a top 4 Dman but are still not good. Doesnt matter the coach.”

    For scoring, the thing that hurts the most is Lucic and JP not being able to play top 6. PC was counting on both of those things when he dealt Eberle last season. But TMac came out of camp with KY on the first line and Lucic went into an awful spiral following Christmas and he’s stayed there since.

    I’ve tried to defend Lucic through most of it. To me, it’s just a bad idea to run down your players whatever you think of the HC or GM. I can be hard on management but I support whichever players take the ice for our team. It’s hard to make it work otherwise.

    But we badly needed Lucic to at least semi-perform in a top 6 role, which means scoring at close to his career rate. That’s the way he needed to lead. The sad thing is he’s gone so meekly and quietly. He hasn’t even raged or kicked as his powers diminished. This is an ugly town for that kind of thing. Lucic was used to stable line mates. Coming to EDM, he must’ve thought he would play with CMD for years and years. He should’ve considered what would happen if that doesn’t work out. What will playing and living in EDM look like if the team can’t win and he can’t score and is the extra money worth it? He should’ve taken LA’s offer. Sun, anonymity, kids get to walk to the beach.

    i don’t agree with “Doesn’t matter the coach” because I think some coaches create better systems for their players. They think about how they can encourage them, build them up, ways to cover up their flaws and give them little edges here and there. They work with whatever they have. They gain trust by giving trust. Build them up. Not tear them down. The players on the other team and one of the most knowledgeable fan bases in hockey will take care of that.

    Hitch has gone even further than McLellan in leaning on CMD-Drai-RNH. He’s put the vehicle in ludicrous mode. I like the try of the farm guys. I hope he rewards that.

    Yup. I’ve been happy with all my job changes over the years. But, once, made a mistake. And, it’s haunted me to some extent ever since. Lucic made the same error.

  194. Reja says:

    Georgexs: No need to be sorry.

    He struggled.

    Let’s check Talbot in that same period.

    3.59 GAA
    .892 sv%
    2.15 GSAA

    I’m not entirely sure how NST calculates GSAA. It seems to say Koski let in 2 more shots than average and Talbot stopped 2 more shots than average. Given both their sv% was in the 80’s, they didn’t do much better/worse than expected apparently.

    Most of those games were played without Klef. The losing with Hitch started at that point. The first 8 of those games in your window were played without Russell, so without 3 of our top 4 D.

    Don’t know what to expect of any goalie at that point. Oh wait, I do know, an expected sv% below .900. Koski didn’t rescue them so Talbot saw more games. Talbot didn’t rescue them either. His contract was up. He was traded. Koski was given a puzzling contract that was way out of line with how he performed.

    You don’t have to try too hard to make a case against Koski. He hasn’t been anywhere near as hot as when Hitch started. He gets beat glove side way too often. Pucks slip through places he should have covered. If he doesn’t play like a starter, we’re stuck with him for the next 3 years. See, easy. Feel better? I don’t.

    He’s our Goalie for the next 3 years Talbot checked out 2 months into the season.kosh wants to be here fans have to get behind him next year confidence is a thing especially for a Goaltender.Kosh is a young 31 with the light workload in the KHL I’m not worried about his age. When he starts next year him and his family should be more adjusted to North America.i like kosh I think he has it in him to have a Matt Murray type of heater season.

  195. Glovjuice says:

    Reja: He’s our Goalie for the next 3 years Talbot checked out 1 month into the season.kosh wants to be here fans have to get behind him next year confidence is a thing especially for a Goaltender.Kosh is a young 31 with the light workload in the KHL I’m not worried about his age. When he starts next year him and his family should be more adjusted to North America.i like kosh I think he has it in him to have a Matt Murray type of heater season.

    LOL, hug hug for Koskinen. He’s terrible. Glovhand is ECHL level. One of the worst signings in Oilers history.

  196. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Glovjuice: The Koskinen signing is worse than the Russel signing and is downright lawsuit worthy for season seat holders.Dreadful signing. How in the hell was it allowed to happen.

    Not really.

    Here’s a list of goalies this year who have played over 700 minutes (all situations)

    They are sorted by Goals Saved Above Average per 100 shots (all situations)

    As per corsica.hockey (which is back online….)

    Player GSAA/100
    LAURENT.BROSSOIT 1.94
    THOMAS.GREISS 1.93
    JAROSLAV.HALAK 1.82
    BEN.BISHOP 1.67
    JOHN.GIBSON 1.52
    ROBIN.LEHNER 1.36
    JORDAN.BINNINGTON 1.26
    ALEXANDAR.GEORGIEV 1.05
    CURTIS.MCELHINNEY 0.96
    ANDREI.VASILEVSKIY 0.96
    ANTON.KHUDOBIN 0.84
    JACOB.MARKSTROM 0.82
    RYAN.MILLER 0.70
    COLLIN.DELIA 0.58
    COREY.CRAWFORD 0.58
    TUUKKA.RASK 0.54
    MATT.MURRAY 0.53
    CASEY.DESMITH 0.52
    JACK.CAMPBELL 0.50
    JUUSE.SAROS 0.48
    PEKKA.RINNE 0.48
    DARCY.KUEMPER 0.41
    CARTER.HART 0.35
    MARC-ANDRE.FLEURY 0.30
    BRIAN.ELLIOTT 0.30
    FREDERIK.ANDERSEN 0.27
    PHEONIX.COPLEY 0.23
    PETR.MRAZEK 0.19
    MACKENZIE.BLACKWOOD 0.14
    BRADEN.HOLTBY 0.11
    HENRIK.LUNDQVIST 0.10
    SEMYON.VARLAMOV 0.08
    CONNOR.HELLEBUYCK 0.06
    CAREY.PRICE 0.04
    SERGEI.BOBROVSKY 0.03
    PHILIPP.GRUBAUER -0.02
    JIMMY.HOWARD -0.08
    MIKKO.KOSKINEN -0.18 ************************
    DAVID.RITTICH -0.18
    JAMES.REIMER -0.20
    CARTER.HUTTON -0.22
    MIKE.SMITH -0.43
    MARTIN.JONES -0.48
    ANTHONY.STOLARZ -0.50
    MALCOLM.SUBBAN -0.54
    LOUIS.DOMINGUE -0.61
    CAM.WARD -0.63
    CRAIG.ANDERSON -0.72
    ROBERTO.LUONGO -0.79
    JAKE.ALLEN -0.84
    JONATHAN.BERNIER -0.85
    CORY.SCHNEIDER -0.94
    LINUS.ULLMARK -0.96
    JOONAS.KORPISALO -1.05
    DEVAN.DUBNYK -1.09
    ANDERS.NILSSON -1.11
    CAM.TALBOT -1.22
    KEITH.KINKAID -1.27
    AARON.DELL -1.55
    GARRET.SPARKS -1.67
    ALEX.STALOCK -1.72
    JONATHAN.QUICK -2.10
    ANTTI.NIEMI -2.50
    CHAD.JOHNSON -2.86

    So here’s every goalie that has been better this year:

    LAURENT.BROSSOIT 1.94
    THOMAS.GREISS 1.93
    JAROSLAV.HALAK 1.82
    BEN.BISHOP 1.67
    JOHN.GIBSON 1.52
    ROBIN.LEHNER 1.36
    JORDAN.BINNINGTON 1.26
    ALEXANDAR.GEORGIEV 1.05
    CURTIS.MCELHINNEY 0.96
    ANDREI.VASILEVSKIY 0.96
    ANTON.KHUDOBIN 0.84
    JACOB.MARKSTROM 0.82
    RYAN.MILLER 0.70
    COLLIN.DELIA 0.58
    COREY.CRAWFORD 0.58
    TUUKKA.RASK 0.54
    MATT.MURRAY 0.53
    CASEY.DESMITH 0.52
    JACK.CAMPBELL 0.50
    JUUSE.SAROS 0.48
    PEKKA.RINNE 0.48
    DARCY.KUEMPER 0.41
    CARTER.HART 0.35
    MARC-ANDRE.FLEURY 0.30
    BRIAN.ELLIOTT 0.30
    FREDERIK.ANDERSEN 0.27
    PHEONIX.COPLEY 0.23
    PETR.MRAZEK 0.19
    MACKENZIE.BLACKWOOD 0.14
    BRADEN.HOLTBY 0.11
    HENRIK.LUNDQVIST 0.10
    SEMYON.VARLAMOV 0.08
    CONNOR.HELLEBUYCK 0.06
    CAREY.PRICE 0.04
    SERGEI.BOBROVSKY 0.03
    PHILIPP.GRUBAUER -0.02
    JIMMY.HOWARD -0.08

    Here’s the same list with the FA’s broken out
    JAROSLAV.HALAK 1.82
    ROBIN.LEHNER 1.36
    CURTIS.MCELHINNEY 0.96
    JACOB.MARKSTROM 0.82
    RYAN.MILLER 0.70
    BRIAN.ELLIOTT 0.30
    PETR.MRAZEK 0.19
    SEMYON.VARLAMOV 0.08
    SERGEI.BOBROVSKY 0.03
    JIMMY.HOWARD -0.08

    Here’s my take on each FA:

    JAROSLAV.HALAK – Will BOS sign him again? Probably. Liked him forever. 34 this summer.

    ROBIN.LEHNER -great season after getting his mental health issues under control. Will NYI let him get to FA? Maybe if Bob is in the bag, but is Bob better these days?

    CURTIS.MCELHINNEY – 35 year old career back up having a great season. I’d probably look at him as a back up for next year. Starter? That’s a long shot. Does CAR let him get to FA?

    JACOB.MARKSTROM – VAN will have him signed before summer

    RYAN.MILLER – Only wants to play near LA. Doesn’t need the money

    BRIAN.ELLIOTT – maybe. Up and down career due to injuries, including this year. I’ve always liked him. My pick for 1B for next year. With Koskinen at $4.5 they can afford a $2MM back up

    PETR.MRAZEK – best season of his career since he was a rookie and its still not great. Wouldn’t bet on his as starter, would pick up as back up if the music stopped and I didn’t have a chair.

    SEMYON.VARLAMOV – Will cost at least $6MM I think, but I wouldn’t pay it. Injury history his huge. Might get less.

    SERGEI.BOBROVSKY – Bob is getting paid and it will be too much. Probably $8MM

    JIMMY.HOWARD – Steady Eddy forever. Just signed for $4MM for next year (thought he was still FA). 35 in a week.

    Gord knows I don’t defend EDM and especially Pete, but the Koskinen contract is below #8 on my things to worry about for next year.

  197. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Reja,

    He’s our Goalie for the next 3 years Talbot checked out 2 month into the season

    A free agent didn’t give a shit about his performance and next contract?

  198. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Note about Koskinen contract.

    A year too long for sure. Don’t see him turning down 2 years at that price.

    Probably 500K too much give or take but Pete is gonna Pete

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