Ahead by a Century

by Lowetide

Edmonton earned the two points but didn’t cash them, that’s a game they’ll win once a general manager builds an NHL roster. It was a most enjoyable game, despite the patented Dallas hook and hold, the strange officiating and the stupid luck. Man those Dallas Stars are a pain in the ass. Always.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: How the Oilers can shop for a big bang on a small budget
  • New Jonathan Willis: How the Oilers can turn their prospect depth into the blueline of a contender.
  • Lowetide: What Mark Hunter’s draft record in Toronto means for his Oilers GM candidacy.
  • Lowetide: Colby Cave and Joe Gambardella build late-season resumes with Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers made a rare move and shopped the QMJHL at the 2018 draft. It could happen again.
  • Eric Duhatschek: Sorting through the organizational problems in Ottawa and Edmonton.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: After a year of despair, Oilers prospect Cameron Hebig grateful for latest chapter with the Condors
  • Jonathan Willis: Bob Nicholson’s misguided Tobias Rieder comments reveal deeper problems within Oilers management
  • Jonathan Willis: Ken Hitchcock knows why Edmonton has trouble exiting its zone, but lacks the players to fix it.
  • Lowetide: Trimming cap fat and adding speed and skill will shape Oilers’ offseason.
  • Jonathan Willis: Former Canucks architects Mike Gillis and Laurence Gilman should be considered for any vacant NHL GM job
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers draft early, the WHL is loaded and there’s a lot of history.
  • Jonathan Willis: Analyzing how much the Oilers should be willing to spend on pending free agent Alex Chiasson.
  • Jonathan Willis: Keith Gretzky is a legitimate Oilers GM candidate, but would be a hard sell in Edmonton
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers can build a contender during Connor McDavid’s prime.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Leon Draisaitl has found ‘another level’ by matching offensive wizardry with sound positioning.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.

OILERS AFTER 77

  • Oilers in 2015: 30-40-7, 67 points; goal differential -35
  • Oilers in 2016: 43-25-9, 95 points; goal differential +30
  • Oilers in 2017: 34-37-6, 74 points; goal differential -35
  • Oilers in 2018: 34-34-9, 77 points; goal differential -23

OILERS IN MARCH

  • Oilers in March 2016: 7-6-0, 14 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in March 2017: 9-3-1, 19 points; goal differential +17
  • Oilers in March 2018: 7-4-2, 16 points; goal differential +8
  • Oilers in March 2019: 7-4-2, 16 points; goal differential +2

WHAT TO EXPECT IN MARCH

  • On the road to: Columbus, Buffalo (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Toronto, NY Rangers, NJD (Expected 2-1-1) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • On the road to: Arizona, Vegas, St. Louis (Expected: 0-2-1) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Columbus,Ottawa, Los Angeles, Dallas, Anaheim (Expected: 3-1-1) (Actual 2-0-2)
  • Overall expected result: 5-5-4, 14 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 7-4-2, 16 points in 13 games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Larsson went 21-11 in 17:15, 13-7 shots, 1-1 goals and 3-1 HDSC. Klefbom was quality, he’s better defending recently. Larsson made a quality defensive play early in the game and then treated Dallas forwards like they were livestock at the Fort Worth Rodeo. He was a nasty bit of business. Music!
  • Sekera-Benning were 10-12 in 12:54, 6-4 shots, no goals and 0-2 HDSC. Sekera’s such a smart player, he often disrupts sorties in the embryonic stage. Benning has recently developed a hitch in his giddyup passing, specifically when he is behind the net. Big fan of Benning, he’ll figure it out.
  • Nurse-Russell went 9-9 in 12:37, 7-4 shots, no goals and 2-5 HDSC. I thought the passing was a little more precise from the pairing, that may have been due to less forechecking pressure.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 20 of 22, .909. He made a stunning save against Hintz midway through the third period.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian went 17-13 in 16:28, 13-4 shots, 1-0 goals and 3-2 HDSC. Leon was incredible but McDavid was on another level. Remember when I told you about seeing the Spruce Goose? About the initial ‘awe’ reaction being replaced by a ‘meh’ mood about 30 minutes after they pulled back the cover? Never let that feeling go, that “wow” of McDavid. Games like last night make it easier, poor Spruce Goose could just sit there and wonder why people got bored after 30 minutes.
  • Gambardella-Nuge-Chiasson were 5-9 in 13:12, 5-3 shots, no score and 1-1 HDSC. This line needs a driver. Hall?
  • Rieder-Cave-Gagner were 9-4 in 7:43, 7-2 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC. Gagner on the No. 3 line next year gives Edmonton an offensive wrinkle they couldn’t manage for much of 2018-19.
  • Lucic-Brodziak-Currie went 7-5 in 7:13, 3-3 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-2 HDSC. Currie had a tough night, but the penalty was nothing much and the second goal was a bit of some bad luck all around.

THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID

Ken Hitchcock is unlikely to be back as coach, history recalls general managers start as they mean to go. I’ll give him credit, the March Oilers look as organized as we’ve seen in forever, possibly the MacT era. Looking at the March numbers, there remains a lack of offensive marbling through the depth chart:

  • Draisaitl (4.22)—McDavid (4.06) )— Kassian (2.14)
  • Gambardella (2.71) )— Nuge (1.23) )— Chiasson (1.67)
  • Rieder (0.00)— Cave (0.47) )— Gagner (1.91)
  • Lucic (0.47) )— Brodziak (1.25)— Currie (1.21)
  • Khaira (1.69)

That’s on roster construction, that’s on Peter Chiarelli. The Ryan Strome trade is currently the subject of rage and rightly so. However, counting on two teenagers to score on right wing was an enormous amount of pressure placed on the roster and coach. Hitch is getting more from the bottom six, but the roster needs more quality. Here are the March Corsi 5-on-5 for defensemen:

  • Klefbom (48.25) )— Larsson (50.45)
  • Nurse (43.76) )— Russell (41.61)
  • Sekera (50.46) )— Benning (49.03)

The Nurse-Russell pairing routinely trails the others in this metric, but it’s also true that duo is running about 60 percent goal share 5-on-5. All numbers NTS.

Edmonton is running a 92 percent save percentage 5-on-5 (No. 16) and a PDO of 102.1 (No. 8), so it’s a case of gather thee rosebuds will ye may.

Crescendo McDavid is the best McDavid and his season finishes are pretty stunning. March, by year:

  • 2016: 15, 5-11-16 (1.07)
  • 2017: 13, 7-12-19 (1.46)
  • 2018: 16, 13-15-28 (1.75)
  • 2019: 13, 7-20-27 (2.08)

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun Friday kicks off at 10, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. Canadian teams in the playoffs, we’ll handicap the Stanley chances.
  • Guy Flaming, Pipeline Show. Oil Kings have a big weekend ahead.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. We’ll chat Sweet 16, MLB and Oil.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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lenko

lenko:
All this trade talk and bringing back players we traded and finally near the end of this thread I see the Condors won another and cliched playoff spot. There’s some pretty good hockey players ruminating there that would likely outperform many on the Oilers team.

And there you go – end of two, I rest my case and my eyes.

John Chambers

“What are we going to tell Corey?”

That he’s a whiny titty-baby.

lenko

All this trade talk and bringing back players we traded and finally near the end of this thread I see the Condors won another and cliched playoff spot. There’s some pretty good hockey players ruminating there that would likely outperform many on the Oilers team.

Glovjuice

Side:
Glovjuice,

Weren’t you the one saying Drai is lazy?

You didn’t see reality coming on that one, did you?

I ve already responded to this a few times. It should be plain for all to see that his defensive effort has ramped up significantly in the months since hitch arrived. And, it has taken his game to the next level. So, actually I was totally right.

hunter1909

Professor Q: Maybe that would be too complicated and it’d be easier to just purchase a KHL team.

Oilers are enough like Siberia already. No need to stick the knife in lol

Professor Q

SwedishPoster: It’s not allowed to own a swedish club like that. At least 51% has to be owned by the members/fans of the club.

Do they have loopholes like in Germany? Always drives me insane.

“Oh, your club is in a town/city owned by or populated highly by a large pharmaceutical, automotive, software, or beverage company? Okay, companies can either found a brand new club and own the entire club (or maybe even two clubs!), or own 100% of their current club if they also have had stakes in said existing club for over 20 years. Either scenario allows them to spend as much as they want, if desired.”

Screwing over the other clubs who have to adhere to the 51% rule, or the clubs whose 100% owners either don’t have the funds or desire to spend much to put their teams into contention.

Anyway, I digress. If the SHL, or the other leagues and sports under the Swedish umbrella, have this loophole, could Katz then logically create a brand new team (maybe he wants a full club though to participate in the other sports too?), 100% owned by him (or the OEG), have the hockey club start at the lowest tier, and see if European prospects could play and develop well enough to make it all the way up to the SHL, further assisting in developing future prospects?

Maybe that would be too complicated and it’d be easier to just purchase a KHL team.

hunter1909

OriginalPouzar: Are we really criticizing management for not re-signing Matt Hendricks at the end of his last contract?

I believe I said something more like “players LIKE” these players, than railing on about the merits of keeping either of them.

OriginalPouzar

Are we really criticizing management for not re-signing Matt Hendricks at the end of his last contract?

Recall that Hendricks played about half the games – he would be effective for a game or two, hard on the forecheck and then need some time in the press box to rest and recover or he lost his skating legs completely. He’s played 22 games this year.

Yes, we lost some leadership when he left but criticizing management for letting him go all while criticizing management for speaking about character is telling re: he fanbase.

Maroon was an expiring contract UFA, playing terribly with a bad back in a non-playoff year that was going to be too costly to re-sign (notwithstanding the discount he gave the Blues). He was sold at the deadline in the normal course. He has 9 goals this year and has been healthy scratched.

Maroon was traded for Marody.

hunter1909

@Woodguy:

What’s your take on Pat Verbeek as a potential GM?

hunter1909

Genjutsu: Except they traded for both players and kept them until their contracts expired. The reality is a complete 180 from your thesis.

The Oilers do have a history of bringing rehabilitation players. Damaged goods if you will. Sather was famous for this these bargain bin types and sometimes the payoff is huge.

Kassian looks to be the latest example of such a successful venture. It’s one my favorite things about this team.

Fair point with Kassian, but why let players like Handicks and Maroon walk, to replace them with weaklings like Strome and Spooner? You mention Sather, and fair enough also, but as Sather left Edmonton during the 20th century it’s kind of invalid – Lowe+MacT are the dim lights who collectively guide this appalling team.

Genjutsu

hunter1909:
Interesting how Oilers consistently acquire basket case players instead of solid ones like Hendricks and Maroon who can always be had on the cheap.

When they do have these same players, they can’t seem to be rid of them fast enough, then the lottery draw comes in April.

Except they traded for both players and kept them until their contracts expired. The reality is a complete 180 from your thesis.

The Oilers do have a history of bringing rehabilitation players. Damaged goods if you will. Sather was famous for this these bargain bin types and sometimes the payoff is huge.

Kassian looks to be the latest example of such a successful venture. It’s one my favorite things about this team.

hunter1909

Interesting how Oilers consistently acquire basket case players instead of solid ones like Hendricks and Maroon who can always be had on the cheap.

When they do have these same players, they can’t seem to be rid of them fast enough, then the lottery draw comes in April.

OriginalPouzar

Yes, the Strome for Spooner trade was an awful trade and I never professed that it wasn’t. There were two points that I generally was making:

1) I understood the premise of the trade – if was made in the name of scoring depth and Spooner had indeed had the better NHL production history.

2) Given the trade was made, I felt (and still feel) that organization never did give Spooner a real chance to show he could be part of the top 6 or middle 6 on this team going forward. His usage precluded the ability to make the trade work for the Oilers.

hunter1909

SwedishPoster: It’s not allowed to own a swedish club like that. At least 51% has to be owned by the members/fans of the club.

No offence. Sweden seems to me like a faraway place that I know for a fact has got a 1st class hockey culture, would provide an incredible atmosphere for young prospects to live and work in, but without the AHL mentality of “develop in 2-3 seasons or gtfo”.

That’s also a great thing; the 51% rule. The last thing Sweden needs is carpetbaggers buying everything up then treating their new “assets” like so many disposable items.

OriginalPouzar

Condors win and clinch a playoff spot with 9 games to go.

Dazzling performane by Dylan Wells who made 40 saves on 42 shot (and some quality quality chances).

SwedishPoster

hunter1909: As statistically Yamamoto’s no more than a 12 to 1 shot to play any kind of effective NHL role, you’re better off not worrying about Yamamoto because then it’s 12 to 1 ON than you’re going to make yourself miserable.

Sometimes it’s better to let under 23 year old players figure out how to play professional hockey away from constant scrutiny. With this in mind Katz could establish a Swedish League affiliate to throw the “problem” prospects like Yamamoto and JP; which still doesn’t guarantee anything because at the end of the day NHL talent has got to be naturally produced from inside the player himself.

Add Yak to that scurvy list. And Gagner should go play in Sweden with the kids, because he’s as busted a player as I’ve seen.

These “Katzenjammer Edmonton Oilerz” produce bust players like Sam Pollock’s Canadiens used to produce championship teams. It’s the reason the team fails. The trades Chiarelli made in desperation were just that, desperation attempts to save an already sinking ship.

It’s not allowed to own a swedish club like that. At least 51% has to be owned by the members/fans of the club.

Side

Glovjuice,

Weren’t you the one saying Drai is lazy?

You didn’t see reality coming on that one, did you?

Glovjuice

hunter1909: As statistically Yamamoto’s no more than a 12 to 1 shot to play any kind of effective NHL role, you’re better off not worrying about Yamamoto because then it’s 12 to 1 ON than you’re going to make yourself miserable.

Sometimes it’s better to let under 23 year old players figure out how to play professional hockey away from constant scrutiny. With this in mind Katz could establish a Swedish League affiliate to throw the “problem” prospects like Yamamoto and JP; which still doesn’t guarantee anything because at the end of the day NHL talent has got to be naturally produced from inside the player himself.

Add Yak to that scurvy list. And Gagner should go play in Sweden with the kids, because he’s as busted a player as I’ve seen.

These “Katzenjammer Edmonton Oilerz” produce bust players like Sam Pollock’s Canadiens used to produce championship teams. It’s the reason the team fails. The trades Chiarelli made in desperation were just that, desperation attempts to save an already sinking ship.

This is simply wonderful.

And. OP, Am I right on the Oil trading Strome for Spooner being awful yet? A few of us here are so right so often. Who was the Looch for 7 Rnd. Pick person? Prescient being they are. Some people see things. Trust me, it’s hard because we see things so clearly that it makes everything seem weird and wrong all the time – like the Soilerd.

hunter1909

Wilde: I was about to tell you that I don’t think Yamamoto knows OP is worried about his injury status, but then I remembered that Caleb Jones’s Mom like the tweet where I posted my article on him.

This is a now a nuanced issue.

One thing is certain: It’s not Lowetide fiends who make these players bust. If anyone seeks to understand where to lay the blame for the abject failure of the organization to develop players look no further than Katz the owner: His shady attempt to procure sexual services from a young actress exposes him as a nerdy guy desperate to be cool but even with a billion dollars you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

I watched the Washington Capitals on Youtube today when they went to the White House and Ovechkin taking 13 years to win the cup was mentioned. Connor+Leon are generational/above average NHL stars who you would think a monkey could quickly turn into a winner. So there’s a chance.

Wilde

hunter1909: Sometimes it’s better to let under 23 year old players figure out how to play professional hockey away from constant scrutiny.

I was about to tell you that I don’t think Yamamoto knows OP is worried about his injury status, but then I remembered that Caleb Jones’s Mom like the tweet where I posted my article on him.

This is a now a nuanced issue.

Wilde

New Improved Darkness,

You’re tortured.

The deal with Brett Connolly is this-

1) He’s a rehabilitated, 26-year-old top-ten pick who’s 6’3″ or whatever

2) ‘Overshooting’ by design is just the best way to make your advocacy for this or that move. There’s a wide range of real-world historical examples of wildly different prices at different times so taking time trying to nail down a price has diminishing returns.

It’s a better way to start a conversation about the player as opposed potentially undervaluing in the eyes of the respondent, and it’s pretty much one or the other.

If you overprice your target, worst case scenario the conversation becomes more about “that player isn’t worth that and here’s why” – where you’re at least still talking about the player and their value than if you underprice and it becomes… some banter about the intelligence of hockey men or something. Which is fine, but.

3) We should be past “he has point total X in current year”.

OriginalPouzar

Thank you for your suggestion, however, I think I’m going to continue to keep tabs on the talented rookie pro in his draft plus 2 year.

hunter1909

OriginalPouzar:
No Yamamoto again tonight – sigh!

As statistically Yamamoto’s no more than a 12 to 1 shot to play any kind of effective NHL role, you’re better off not worrying about Yamamoto because then it’s 12 to 1 ON than you’re going to make yourself miserable.

Sometimes it’s better to let under 23 year old players figure out how to play professional hockey away from constant scrutiny. With this in mind Katz could establish a Swedish League affiliate to throw the “problem” prospects like Yamamoto and JP; which still doesn’t guarantee anything because at the end of the day NHL talent has got to be naturally produced from inside the player himself.

Add Yak to that scurvy list. And Gagner should go play in Sweden with the kids, because he’s as busted a player as I’ve seen.

These “Katzenjammer Edmonton Oilerz” produce bust players like Sam Pollock’s Canadiens used to produce championship teams. It’s the reason the team fails. The trades Chiarelli made in desperation were just that, desperation attempts to save an already sinking ship.

OriginalPouzar

Gulls get one back late in the 2nd. Point shot on the PP hits something in front and deflects off the post and in.

Scungilli Slushy

Do the Oilers need a stud RD, or do they need a competent passing, gap closing RD?

No swings for the fences needed. Add in a LW that can get a few goals and play a responsible game, and a proper back up and that will do for one season.

Kassian is fitting nicely doing the correct job in the right way for the top line. JP given if healthy, given the chance, and coached up positively, is a reasonable 2 RW, if 15 goals or 40pts or so is the desire.

I would stack the top line as is and let Connor and Leon be the best line in the league. Give Nuge an acquired LW, and JP, and easier minutes, like Horc used to carry Hall and Eberle.

Make a third line that can handle D zone starts against tough comp, and have a fourth line that also gets easier minutes that has talent.

3 scoring lines and a ‘coaches’ D zone line, more speed and offense. Nurse gets a partner that can pass and help defend in the neutral zone and at the blueline, he being the anchor. Whatever other pieces fall where they may.

3 additions, one perhaps more costly at LW. Not a cup team but a playoff team, and I think realistic / doable.

OriginalPouzar

Dylan Well has been VERY good through half the game.

22 stops and some very very solid stops in there.

OriginalPouzar

Condors take a 3-0 lead on another PP as Callahan bangs one in off the goalie – weak goal but he’ll take it. Marody with the primary assist for this 3rd point of the period.

OriginalPouzar

Yes, I would say that Jesse is fast – what he isn’t right now is a powerful skater but that should come when he grows in to that lanky frame of his, which he still has not done. He has to work on his edges and his consistently – he often doesn’t have his legs but, when he does, he gets in on the forecheck very fast – deceptively fast – at least to my eye.

OriginalPouzar

What a beauty PP goal by Marody – I’m not exactly sure how he put that one in after a beauty drive to the net.

Assist – Tyler Benson who now sits alone at the top of the rookie scoring lead (one point ahead of the older player in 2nd place who has played 7 more games….)

OriginalPouzar

Lagesson has struggled a bit to my eye over the last 4-5 games – some turnovers and lots of minor penalties.

GMB3

OriginalPouzar:
I remain unable to see how trading a 20 year old recent 4th overall pick for pennies on the dollar is any way a reasonable thing to do.

A team devoid of talent on the wings is going to trade a recent 4th overall winger, with a rare combination of size and speed that, not only is made for the current game but also results in a bit of a longer development curve?

How is that possibly a reasonable bet? How is the potential to help the team greater than the risk?

Is he really a combination of size and speed though? Perhaps it was the injury and this is just some confirmation bias, but he seems to be closer to average speed than he is to being a fast player.

OriginalPouzar

Benson down the wing to Day out front to Marody and its 1-0 Condors!

9 game point streaks for each of Benson and Marody (14 points for Marody, 16 for Benson).

Benson now tied for the AHL lead in rookie scoring.

New Improved Darkness

Giving is joyful, receiving is divine, regifting is a wet dream.

———

I contemplate the muse from time to time. (No relation to the mussels of my previous post.)

It’s not like I have no control over where these things go.

Often I manage to pack fifteen choices into a dozen words, by carefully steering a few double-yolkers into the accordion corner cups. (My family once had 200 New Hampshire chickens growing up, and there was even the odd triple-yolker that could fit into no flexible corner of no carton at all—at least not with the lid secure; once or twice some chicken must have cackled with real feeling and jaunty suspenders, just as I do myself, whenever I accomplish the same feat.)

Yesterday, before the dust settled, I had a legless Kenneth Branagh in full evil-mustache high-dudgeon going:

Blast biceps! I want steeeeam! Bring me the girl from Wakanda! We must work!

His arms were tired from having to roll his 1867 standard-issue wheelchair up a long access ramp the day before. Not as tired as The Bride’s arms after she punches her way out of a pine box from six feet under, but pretty tired all the same. You can be sure, though, that his next wheelchair will be full-on evil steampunk, fully adapted to a steampunk world. He’s found his calling, and his calling is good, but there’s this small problem of vibranium unobtainium—without which boilerless steampunk artifice is reduced to so much empty adornment. But the point was that Wild, Wild West (panned) and Blank Panther (plaudits) were basically the same movie, if you squinted your eyes just the least bit. So he needs the Wakanda girl, and he needs her now; this task he delegates to his nearest minion, who immediately cottons on that when it comes to matters Wakandan, you catch more flies with honey, rather than vinegar. (Branagh, being old and white—and with a pointy ‘stache to bootlick moreover—will never fully grasp this diplomatic subtlety, putting his minion between a serious rock and a hard place; but still the minion abides, and he does break out his regal, Sunday best in penning an urgent solicitation, whether finally adequate to the cause, or not.)

The whole thing was a thing of beauty, but it delivered itself into this world like a French horn mated with a Rubik’s Cube. Every pipe in its place, but still a lot to ask, like when Temple Grandin goes “I’ll take Mondoshawan blueprint sight-reading for 1000, Alex.” It went from William Munny to Rieder to Pulp Fiction to The Bride to 9/11 to Branagh to the Wakanda girl within a single French horn cheek-bolus (without offering the least respite for additional intake of breath).

And then today I’m taken up with an image of Jurassic bivalves (instead of brass piston trivalves), and it delivers itself into this world like a trombone mated with a panini press: every pipe so exposed and easy to trace, I could be sued for infringement by the Stencil Corp.

No matter how much control you exert, whatever material you find in your Santa stocking has a stubborn mind of its own.

OriginalPouzar

I remain unable to see how trading a 20 year old recent 4th overall pick for pennies on the dollar is any way a reasonable thing to do.

A team devoid of talent on the wings is going to trade a recent 4th overall winger, with a rare combination of size and speed that, not only is made for the current game but also results in a bit of a longer development curve?

How is that possibly a reasonable bet? How is the potential to help the team greater than the risk?

OriginalPouzar

Dylan Wells gets the start tonight.

OriginalPouzar

No Yamamoto again tonight – sigh!

Kinger_Oil.redux

McSorley33:
Kinger_Oil.redux,

You sound ( I could be wrong ) like you want to bring the full roster back next year…

– For sure not: when you suck for two years, new guy comes in and throws chairs around

– Trading a Nurse RNH, Pool, Russell, Sek, Benning, etc,: I don’t see how your getting addtions by subtractions. And buy-outs lower your ceiling

– So as much as it fun to read propositions on how we are going to trade Russell and get a stud RHD, or buy-out Lucic, and get someone awesome for $3MM: or RNH brings in a huge haul, I think you nibble around the edges

– And with NHL-normal health, the team grows and gets better. The roster isn’t as bad when healthy as we’ve been. Prudence, and smart moves: not going for broke in off season, i.e not getting a stud D, a bunch of stud wingers, better 3C , etc. Because your blowing it up to do that

OriginalPouzar

Given the influx of d-men to our pro ranks (Bouchard, Samorukov) or North American pro ranks (Persson) in addition to Bear, Jones, Lagesson already there, I would prefer if Marino went back to school for his senior year.

I mean, we only want to break in one of these guys maybe two if we stretch it and do dispose of Russell. With Lowe back in the fold next year and Manning under contract (hopefully taking over from Stanton if we can’t move him ($1M retained), there isn’t much ice to go around.

If only Fox would turn pro and give Marino some increased opportunities.

Glovjuice

hunter1909: Pre that fake star Nylander getting signed Leafs were my bandwagon team, but now they’re certain early round fodder since that Swedish loser joined the team and destroyed the dressing room.

Wild stab at who emerges from the West:

Winnipeg!!

sharks

Genjutsu

HT Joe: The DCEU has been painful (unless we’re going to call them Wonder Woman and Aquaman).
How about Captain America and Iron Man? ?

*EDIT* I prefer Iron Man and Thor now that I’ve had a chance to think about it…

DC has been horrible except Nolan’s Batman trilogy and Burtons two Batman films.

WW was okay and Aquaman meh. They look better compared to the complete garbage that is the rest of DC.

Doom Patrol has its moments.

leadfarmer

LMHF#1:
SwedishPoster,

Not sure…this depends on what the opinion on Hopkins is around the league.

Have to take a look at it as an option though. This window in contracts is when strong managers can hit home runs.

#93 is also a reliable C…some are willing to give more than they should for such players.

Ryan Nugent Hopkins does not get Ryan Nugent Hopkins player back
He has the Oilers stink on him
We have internal prospect depth to cover that 2 RHD hole in a year or two
We don’t have the internal depth to plug 4 top 6 forward holes

OriginalPouzar

Harvard got crushed 4-0 in the NCAA tournament today. Nice to see Adam Fox -3 and Marino not on for any goals against.

Does this finally end Harvard’s season?

leadfarmer

New Improved Darkness,

I have no idea what you are trying to say but mussels sound good for dinner

LMHF#1

SwedishPoster,

Not sure…this depends on what the opinion on Hopkins is around the league.

Have to take a look at it as an option though. This window in contracts is when strong managers can hit home runs.

#93 is also a reliable C…some are willing to give more than they should for such players.

New Improved Darkness

leadfarmer: Unfortunately I think the smartest decision is to stay put and only bring in players on one year deals this off season and spend next year growing internally and the following off season trying to get out from under the Sekera Russell Lucic contracts.

The new GM is not going to enthuse Connor or Drai by shrugging his shoulders and saying “what can I do? my hand are tied”.

He’s got to lean in with a vengeance and turn every available stone, on day one.

Problem: it’s a large quarry infested with mussels, with many of the Jurassic bivalves having taken up residence by secreting an unmovable rock snot so sticky it sends 3M’s hardened analytic chemists screaming from the room; one even tried to evacuate straight out the elven fume hood, having forgotten in the moment of panic that his Santa Brand coveralls are irreversible.

So his hands are almost worse than tied, but you have to turn the rocks with a vengeance anyway, or you lack team spirit.

So the new GM is definitely going to need some silicone gloves—and I mean liquid silicone—and a bucket of hagfish, too. If the rock fights back, you toss a hagfish under, let the rock slam back down, and hope for the best. Maybe the mollusk surrenders, maybe he doesn’t. (In the sticky business of no-movement clastrophilia, there’s no accounting for taste.)

Unfortunately, time is the only sure solvent, and I’m not presently holding my breath for a 2020 Great Spring Forward out of the box.

By autumn 2020, however, there’s at least a dim hope—on the down slope of the rock-snot conundrum—we’re finally front-loading the class of Bear, berry type overripe, with a studly Kubota.

ArmchairGM

OriginalPouzar: On the other hand, Ryan Strome has had the better year this year.

… because he’s not on the Oilers. Seriously, this is where careers come to die.

OmJo

who: 5)2RD- This would be number 2 on my priority list, but I’m not sure it’s a “must have” either. And the only way I would do it is if I could move the Sekera or Russell contracts. If not I would continue to make do with Russell or Sekera, and wait for Bouchard or Jones to claim the spot.

Not only is it a plan B barring some crazy twist of fate for Jones or Bouchard, but when they are ready that 2RD theoretically becomes a tradable asset at a future trade deadline.

OmJo

Kinger_Oil.redux: – I think there is enough evidence to suggest that the roster when healthy is better than its record the last two years, and I believe this has been really down-played

The problem with that is that this can be said of literally every team in every sport. So it isn’t saying much.

This was the thinking of Chiarelli for the last two seasons.

He seemed to think he didn’t need to improve the roster in summer 17 and summer 18 because when we get Sekera back everything will be sunshine and rainbows like in 16-17. Well how did that turn out?

The timing for this way of thinking was 15-16, when the team was absolutely decimated with injuries in a way that no team could recover from. Instead of being calm this organization lost their shit and here we are with no depth and no cap space…

Professor Q

SwedishPoster: Who do you think RNH would fetch with two years left on his contract? I have a hard time finding a reasonable non pipedream deal that makes sense and clearly improves the team. Short of taking a shot at a couple of buy low guys near a big breakout I don’t see a big win, and that type of trade is a big risk to take when you have so little depth at forward.
An argument could be made that they need to take a big swing at such a trade to quickly improve the team around McDrai but I just don’t trust the group in charge to make that swing as I see a Charlie Brown and Lucy situation playing out.

It could end up being the Jordan Staal Push to get them into Cup Winner status, but I just favour Nuge a lot more than Staal at this time, as opposed to that time in Pittsburgh.