Ahead by a Century

Edmonton earned the two points but didn’t cash them, that’s a game they’ll win once a general manager builds an NHL roster. It was a most enjoyable game, despite the patented Dallas hook and hold, the strange officiating and the stupid luck. Man those Dallas Stars are a pain in the ass. Always.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: How the Oilers can shop for a big bang on a small budget
  • New Jonathan Willis: How the Oilers can turn their prospect depth into the blueline of a contender.
  • Lowetide: What Mark Hunter’s draft record in Toronto means for his Oilers GM candidacy.
  • Lowetide: Colby Cave and Joe Gambardella build late-season resumes with Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers made a rare move and shopped the QMJHL at the 2018 draft. It could happen again.
  • Eric Duhatschek: Sorting through the organizational problems in Ottawa and Edmonton.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: After a year of despair, Oilers prospect Cameron Hebig grateful for latest chapter with the Condors
  • Jonathan Willis: Bob Nicholson’s misguided Tobias Rieder comments reveal deeper problems within Oilers management
  • Jonathan Willis: Ken Hitchcock knows why Edmonton has trouble exiting its zone, but lacks the players to fix it.
  • Lowetide: Trimming cap fat and adding speed and skill will shape Oilers’ offseason.
  • Jonathan Willis: Former Canucks architects Mike Gillis and Laurence Gilman should be considered for any vacant NHL GM job
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers draft early, the WHL is loaded and there’s a lot of history.
  • Jonathan Willis: Analyzing how much the Oilers should be willing to spend on pending free agent Alex Chiasson.
  • Jonathan Willis: Keith Gretzky is a legitimate Oilers GM candidate, but would be a hard sell in Edmonton
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers can build a contender during Connor McDavid’s prime.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Leon Draisaitl has found ‘another level’ by matching offensive wizardry with sound positioning.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.

OILERS AFTER 77

  • Oilers in 2015: 30-40-7, 67 points; goal differential -35
  • Oilers in 2016: 43-25-9, 95 points; goal differential +30
  • Oilers in 2017: 34-37-6, 74 points; goal differential -35
  • Oilers in 2018: 34-34-9, 77 points; goal differential -23

OILERS IN MARCH

  • Oilers in March 2016: 7-6-0, 14 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in March 2017: 9-3-1, 19 points; goal differential +17
  • Oilers in March 2018: 7-4-2, 16 points; goal differential +8
  • Oilers in March 2019: 7-4-2, 16 points; goal differential +2

WHAT TO EXPECT IN MARCH

  • On the road to: Columbus, Buffalo (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Toronto, NY Rangers, NJD (Expected 2-1-1) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • On the road to: Arizona, Vegas, St. Louis (Expected: 0-2-1) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Columbus,Ottawa, Los Angeles, Dallas, Anaheim (Expected: 3-1-1) (Actual 2-0-2)
  • Overall expected result: 5-5-4, 14 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 7-4-2, 16 points in 13 games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Larsson went 21-11 in 17:15, 13-7 shots, 1-1 goals and 3-1 HDSC. Klefbom was quality, he’s better defending recently. Larsson made a quality defensive play early in the game and then treated Dallas forwards like they were livestock at the Fort Worth Rodeo. He was a nasty bit of business. Music!
  • Sekera-Benning were 10-12 in 12:54, 6-4 shots, no goals and 0-2 HDSC. Sekera’s such a smart player, he often disrupts sorties in the embryonic stage. Benning has recently developed a hitch in his giddyup passing, specifically when he is behind the net. Big fan of Benning, he’ll figure it out.
  • Nurse-Russell went 9-9 in 12:37, 7-4 shots, no goals and 2-5 HDSC. I thought the passing was a little more precise from the pairing, that may have been due to less forechecking pressure.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 20 of 22, .909. He made a stunning save against Hintz midway through the third period.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian went 17-13 in 16:28, 13-4 shots, 1-0 goals and 3-2 HDSC. Leon was incredible but McDavid was on another level. Remember when I told you about seeing the Spruce Goose? About the initial ‘awe’ reaction being replaced by a ‘meh’ mood about 30 minutes after they pulled back the cover? Never let that feeling go, that “wow” of McDavid. Games like last night make it easier, poor Spruce Goose could just sit there and wonder why people got bored after 30 minutes.
  • Gambardella-Nuge-Chiasson were 5-9 in 13:12, 5-3 shots, no score and 1-1 HDSC. This line needs a driver. Hall?
  • Rieder-Cave-Gagner were 9-4 in 7:43, 7-2 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC. Gagner on the No. 3 line next year gives Edmonton an offensive wrinkle they couldn’t manage for much of 2018-19.
  • Lucic-Brodziak-Currie went 7-5 in 7:13, 3-3 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-2 HDSC. Currie had a tough night, but the penalty was nothing much and the second goal was a bit of some bad luck all around.

THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID

Ken Hitchcock is unlikely to be back as coach, history recalls general managers start as they mean to go. I’ll give him credit, the March Oilers look as organized as we’ve seen in forever, possibly the MacT era. Looking at the March numbers, there remains a lack of offensive marbling through the depth chart:

  • Draisaitl (4.22)—McDavid (4.06) )— Kassian (2.14)
  • Gambardella (2.71) )— Nuge (1.23) )— Chiasson (1.67)
  • Rieder (0.00)— Cave (0.47) )— Gagner (1.91)
  • Lucic (0.47) )— Brodziak (1.25)— Currie (1.21)
  • Khaira (1.69)

That’s on roster construction, that’s on Peter Chiarelli. The Ryan Strome trade is currently the subject of rage and rightly so. However, counting on two teenagers to score on right wing was an enormous amount of pressure placed on the roster and coach. Hitch is getting more from the bottom six, but the roster needs more quality. Here are the March Corsi 5-on-5 for defensemen:

  • Klefbom (48.25) )— Larsson (50.45)
  • Nurse (43.76) )— Russell (41.61)
  • Sekera (50.46) )— Benning (49.03)

The Nurse-Russell pairing routinely trails the others in this metric, but it’s also true that duo is running about 60 percent goal share 5-on-5. All numbers NTS.

Edmonton is running a 92 percent save percentage 5-on-5 (No. 16) and a PDO of 102.1 (No. 8), so it’s a case of gather thee rosebuds will ye may.

Crescendo McDavid is the best McDavid and his season finishes are pretty stunning. March, by year:

  • 2016: 15, 5-11-16 (1.07)
  • 2017: 13, 7-12-19 (1.46)
  • 2018: 16, 13-15-28 (1.75)
  • 2019: 13, 7-20-27 (2.08)

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun Friday kicks off at 10, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. Canadian teams in the playoffs, we’ll handicap the Stanley chances.
  • Guy Flaming, Pipeline Show. Oil Kings have a big weekend ahead.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. We’ll chat Sweet 16, MLB and Oil.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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161 Responses to "Ahead by a Century"

  1. Jethro Tull says:

    Well done LT. You managed to write a great blog full of info and insight without mentioning the obvious; that filthy McDavid goal.

    That’s some quality writing right there.

  2. LMHF#1 says:

    It is beyond a shame that this season from #97 and #29 is being wasted.

    I don’t know where people’s expectations and low bars are set…but the way this season has played out, both missing the playoffs and even just barely making them should be considered utterly embarrassing.

    Not even really coming close is almost unfathomable…that’s how bad things have been. That’s how bad the choices have been since the 2016 deadline.

    Most people – and especially the Oilers organization itself – are not facing this reality and never will.

  3. Rocknrolla says:

    Was there last night…they played a helluva game. So close this year in a lot of ways despite some management fiascos. And yes, the Mcdavid goal in person was mind blowing!

  4. Lowetide says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Well done LT. You managed to write a great blog full of info and insight without mentioning the obvious; that filthy McDavid goal.

    That’s some quality writing right there.

    My comment in the GDT covered my thinking in this area.

  5. russ99 says:

    The Strome trade was all about that ridiculous RFA raise he got without earning it.

    IMO he got jacked a bit, he’s got a good shot but he’s never in the right places to use it, seems like pigeonholing him at center when we’re devoid of wingers was a pretty bad mistake.

    Wish him well, but the real problem with Strome was less the player and more never replacing Eberle, compounded by Chia’s ridiculous 1994 birthdays + 18 year olds plan in lieu of actual NHL talent.

    It’s almost like when he was nominated for Executive of the Year after the playoff season, he thought, “Jeez, I don’t have to try anymore.” At best, a bad case of hubris enabled by the groupthink and buddy hires.

  6. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – With Sek (who still isn’t 100%), we’ve had 19 games with 6 bona-fide D = 100 point pace

    – If next year we can have the same/better D mix than

    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Sek-Benning

    – Simply is this a playoff team +, assuming no serious injuries or is the record with 6 D too small to make inferences?

    – I’m also hot to trot on Verbeek as our next GM…

  7. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide: My comment in the GDT covered my thinking in this area.

    Didn’t see it, old chap. Was otherwise engaged. Will check it out! (I wasn’t being facetious with my post – I sincerely meant it.)

  8. JJ says:

    LMHF#1 says:
    March 29, 2019 at 8:39 am

    It is beyond a shame that this season from #97 and #29 is being wasted.

    ____________

    Don’t forget Nuge is also stellar.

  9. digger50 says:

    The McDavid goal was so fast that I could not even see it in real time. I thought he fired a backhand and it went in. Did not see the stickwork, the between the legs, the shot to top corner. Actually needed a slow reply to see what he did. This is amazing.

    And then disappointing at the same time.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yup, some bad luck last night (the 1st Dallas goal was the direct result of a pick by the referee negating the ability to get a PK clear and, about 10 seconds later the game turned) and Khudobin stole it.

    What a wonderful tandem McDavid and Leon are.

    We always knew that McDavid was at least on the level of Crosby if not higher but Leon was simply no Malkin. While I won’t put him in Malkin’s category quite yet, that conversation is not over.

    At some point, when there is a semblance of talent on the wings, Drai will do this on his own line and championships will abound.

  11. JJ says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux says:
    March 29, 2019 at 8:44 am

    – I’m also hot to trot on Verbeek as our next GM.

    _______________________

    I also would love Verbeek as our GM.
    He has experience with Detroit and now Tampa.
    He loves smart, skilled players who play in your face. I love that too.

    Young Willis has convinced me that Gillis would be a good progressive choice for POHO.

    I hope it happens.

  12. RumBurgundy says:

    Any chance Connor and Leon are both named first team all-stars (C-L with Kucherov on the right) this year?

  13. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    JJ:
    Kinger_Oil.redux says:
    March 29, 2019 at 8:44 am

    – I’m also hot to trot on Verbeek as our next GM.

    _______________________

    I also would love Verbeek as our GM.
    He has experience with Detroit and now Tampa.
    He loves smart, skilled players who play in your face. I love that too.

    Young Willis has convinced me that Gillis would be a good progressive choice for POHO.

    I hope it happens.

    – Gillis is the “safe” choice, as he’s older and would be known to the OBC, wouldn’t fire people, be happy to have the job

    – Verbeek has not ties to Edmonton (and clearly has a much better track record than the 4 GM’s on staff) in the things that matter, a GM in waiting for sure.

    – Verbeek isn’t getting more press: he’s too good for the Oil: he knows who is sh$t, major part of a team that was built through draft and develop and some astute trades

    – Ex-player, Detroit tree-line: been with Tampa a long time, passed over by Brisebois, been given permission in past to talk to teams. He’s got IIHF/team Canada background as well

    – He is the type of profile we should go for: moved up in a good organization, strong track record, knows what he’s doing, ready to be GM in a good organization: “He was hired by the Lightning as director of professional scouting on June 8, 2010 and then named assistant general manager on July 1, 2011. Verbeek oversees all of the team’s professional scouting operations, aids in player procurement and reports directly to the general manager.”

    – So he does good drafting, scouting, procurement: the good stuff

  14. digger50 says:

    I think Hitch has been excellent. He has done what he could, made an impact where he could. Many players have improved on an individual basis. Some have excelled due to a new start with new coach. (Kassian for example) A few have suffered. (Rattie for example)

    Unfortunately he could not drag them above 500.

    He did however provide a second opinion on the roster and a second opinion on several players who will be questionable for next year – or rookies who are on tryouts. This will be valuable.

    Changing coaches is always challenging but in Hitches case I think he did do some effective teaching, and that should have some lasting impact.

    I was surprised with this rumor about a three year contract in place for Hitch. Has this been substantiated?

    I think next year Hitch moves into a player scouting / assessment / development role

    Gulutzan will be the internal favorite for next year. They may prefer to go with less disruption, and keep Gully and company.

  15. Durag says:

    McDavid is only 7 points off the lead with 5 to play. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he scores 10+ points. Kucherov can’t afford to rest on his laurels!

    russ99:
    The Strome trade was all about that ridiculous RFA raise he got without earning it.

    IMO he got jacked a bit, he’s got a good shot but he’s never in the right places to use it, seems like pigeonholing him at center when we’re devoid of wingers was a pretty bad mistake.

    Wish him well, but the real problem with Strome was less the player and more never replacing Eberle, compounded by Chia’s ridiculous 1994 birthdays + 18 year olds plan in lieu of actual NHL talent.

    It’s almost like when he was nominated for Executive of the Year after the playoff season, he thought, “Jeez, I don’t have to try anymore.” At best, a bad case of hubris enabled by the groupthink and buddy hires.

    Wouldn’t it be great if we had a defensively responsible 3C who could score 15-20 goals so we wouldn’t even have to worry about splitting up Connor and Leon? Sighhhhhhhhhh

  16. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: assuming no serious injuries

    Given this D corp’s history, maybe assume the equivalent of one man year lost to injury in aggregate.

  17. russ99 says:

    Durag,

    Uh, isn’t that RNH? Defensively responsible center, 28 goals playing 5×5 mostly with lesser wingers.

    Having nobody remotely decent at wing is a bigger issue.

  18. Andy Dufresne says:

    Remember the good old days when a “top tier” player would reach a significant milestone and the home town crowd would rise to its feet and give a 3 or 4 minute standing ovation.

    Only 4 players have reached the Century mark this season.

    The Present > The Future > The Past……… but there are still things I miss.

  19. Jethro Tull says:

    Durag:
    McDavid is only 7 points off the lead with 5 to play. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he scores 10+ points. Kucherov can’t afford to rest on his laurels!

    Wouldn’t it be great if we had a defensively responsible 3C who could score 15-20 goals so we wouldn’t even have to worry about splitting up Connor and Leon? Sighhhhhhhhhh

    7pts in front of a motivated Connor…..the most dangerous lead in hockey…..

  20. Andy Dufresne says:

    Jethro Tull: 7pts in front of a motivated Connor…..the most dangerous lead in hockey…..

    lol…..nice

  21. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Andy Dufresne: Bad planning. Given this D corp’s history,maybe assume the equivalent of one man year lost to injury inaggregate.

    – Yeah : each D playing 68-70 games is reasonable. If we had that last two years, we’d be in playoffs all other things being equal IMO. We lost 2x that last two years

    – But the existing D: for sure new GM will change it up. I just hope they don’t move Sek/Benning/Russell to slot in Bouchard/Jones/Persson etc

  22. Andy Dufresne says:

    RumBurgundy:
    Any chance Connor and Leon are both named first team all-stars (C-L with Kucherov on the right) this year?

    So let it be written….So let it be done.

    Actually, I dont think we need Kucherov in the conversation.

    Leon LW, Conner C, Conner RW.

    I believe there is precedent.

    AND, he’s fast enough to play both positions simultaneously.

  23. Andy Dufresne says:

    digger50:
    DIGGER50 says:
    March 29, 2019 at 9:10 am
    I think Hitch has been excellent. He has done what he could, made an impact where he could. Many players have improved on an individual basis. Some have excelled due to a new start with new coach. (Kassian for example) A few have suffered. (Rattie for example)

    Hitch was the right man for the job. Interim Coach.

    Maintaiined a positive attitude. Gave good pressers. Most interesting man in the world for awhile there.

    Edmonton born and raised. His name has 2 syllables. The first syllable “Hitch” represents his time in Edmonton. The second syllable represents his time in Dallas *spits*

  24. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Western Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Pacific
    CGY 24
    SJS 18
    VGK 13

    Central
    WPG 17
    NSH 15
    STL 14

    Wildcard
    DAL 10
    COL 6

    Out of playoffs
    ARI 4
    MIN 2
    CHI 1
    EDM 0
    VAN -2
    ANA -4
    LAK -12

    Wildcard Relevant Games today:

    ARI at COL (COL -150)
    MIN at VGK (VGK -190)

  25. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Eastern Conference Playoff Standings using Points Percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Atlantic
    TBY 45
    BOS 26
    TOR 20

    Metropolitan
    WSH 22
    NYI 19
    PIT 18

    Wildcard
    CAR 14
    CBJ 13

    Out of playoffs
    MTL 12
    PHI 5
    FLA 2
    BUF -5
    NYR -5
    DET -9
    NJD -10
    OTT-17

    Wildcard Relevant Games today: None

  26. Philosophil says:

    “livestock at the Fort Worth Rodeo”…yep, could have called the SPCA early and often last night. These last few games are our playoffs, some fantastic performances from the core.

  27. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Rocknrolla:
    Was there last night…they played a helluva game. So close this year in a lot of ways despite some management fiascos. And yes, the Mcdavid goal in person was mind blowing!

    While watching the game in real time, the camera view was from the opposite side of the net, I had no idea how that goal went in. It looked to me like he had already gone past the goal,

    I knew he did some kind of quick stick move, but due to the speed and angle I was viewing from I thought maybe it had hit a skate and gone in or something.

    Thank god for slow motion and instant replay.

  28. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lottery Race Pts Games Remaining

    17 Colorado 83 5
    18 Philadelphia 82 5
    19 Arizona 81 5
    20 Florida 80 4
    21 Minnesota 79 5
    22 Chicago 78 5
    23 Edmonton 77 5
    24 Vancouver 76 4
    25 Anaheim 74 4
    26 Buffalo 72 5
    27 NY Rangers 71 6
    28 Detroit 68 5
    29 New Jersey 67 5
    30 Los Angeles 65 5
    31 Ottawa 60 5

    As it stands today, we are likely to finish somewhere between 8 and 12 ( more narrowly 9 and 11) pre-lottery.

    Can you say P-A-R-I-T-Y

    Somewhere Gary Bettman is enjoying a cupcake* while reading his morning paper, grinning like a Cheshire cat.

    * At The Venetian Las Vegas, there’s an over-the-top secret-menu cupcake. It’s made with Venezuelan chocolate that sells for $100 a pound, and it’s topped with 24-karat gold flakes as well as gold caviar. Price for one cupcake: $750. It’s accompanied by a hand-blow sugar crown, filled with a Cognac that costs $2,500 per bottle.

    As for Oilers Fans…….Let Them Eat Cake.

  29. JJS says:

    I will give Benning some latitude with his passing last night given the face shield.

    It really does obscure your ability to see the puck on your stick/in your skates hence the double clutches and misfires.

    Interestingly, the shield can also make players a bit more reckless in the corners/aggressive on hits as they feel more protected. Maybe that’s all Poti required in the end!!

  30. JimmyV1965 says:

    We could replace the entire bottom six with players available on Day 7 of free agency and we would be better.

  31. JimmyV1965 says:

    RumBurgundy:
    Any chance Connor and Leon are both named first team all-stars (C-L with Kucherov on the right) this year?

    No way Leon gets named to the all star team. He’s also the next Malkin in the sense that his contributions will always be overshadowed by McDavid.

  32. ArmchairGM says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: With Sek (who still isn’t 100%), we’ve had 19 games with 6 bona-fide D = 100 point pace

    Since December 11th ( I believe) the Oilers have just 1 regulation win against a playoff team.

  33. LMHF#1 says:

    JJ:
    LMHF#1 says:
    March 29, 2019 at 8:39 am

    It is beyond a shame that this season from #97 and #29 is being wasted.

    ____________

    Don’t forget Nuge is also stellar.

    He’s been good – but the other 2 are top-10 players at this point. That’s rare air.

    If people are loving #93’s season outside of Edmonton, then due to the contract situation I’d be looking at him + an asset for a #1 RH and a scoring winger…but I know people will think that’s crazy.

  34. Paulie says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Kevin Quinn called 97 and 29 Batman and Robin last night. Superman and Batman is better.

  35. dustrock says:

    All we need to say about this organization is that both McDavid and Draisaitl have over 100 points and our goal differential is – 23.

    Which is the 2nd best differential in the last 4 years.

    That’s something else.

  36. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: Since December 11th ( I believe) the Oilers have just 1 regulation win against a playoff team.

    2, both vs CBJ who holds down the last wildcard spot in the EC

  37. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Teams always have injuries. Every team could say if “X” player was healthy we would be so much better. So what? Good teams have enough depth that they can survive a few injuries to key players.

    Also the Oilers schedule in the last month has been pretty easy so the 100pt pace since Sekera returned is likely inflated.

  38. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0: 2, both vs CBJ who holds down the last wildcard spot in the EC

    I’ll have to check, but I believe they were not in the playoffs at the time of one of those wins. Academic, I suppose. But the point remains, this is not a playoff team.

  39. Durag says:

    Paulie:
    JimmyV1965,

    Kevin Quinn called 97 and 29 Batman and Robin last night. Superman and Batman is better.

    Both movies sucked tbh

  40. Jethro Tull says:

    ArmchairGM: Since December 11th ( I believe) the Oilers have just 1 regulation win against a playoff team.

    Can you provide context? How many “playoff” teams have we played? Does that mean teams that were in a playoff spot at that date, or is it a team by team, date by date thing? Does that include wild card teams, not technically in the playoffs? Did we play a heavy playoff laden schedule before and a lighter one since? And what is it with airline food?

    Ve haff vays off makking you tok!

  41. ArmchairGM says:

    Jethro Tull: 7pts in front of a motivated Connor…..the most dangerous lead in hockey…..

    Ovi is just 2 goals ahead of Draisaitl in the Richard race, and he isn’t receiving sweet passes from McDavid. Also a bad position to be in

  42. Jethro Tull says:

    Durag: Both movies sucked tbh

    Quoted for truth.

  43. Jethro Tull says:

    ArmchairGM: Ovi is just 2 goals ahead of Draisaitl in the Richard race, and he isn’t receiving sweet passes from McDavid. Also a bad position to be in

    T-34 vs. King Tiger.

  44. Oilman99 says:

    JJS:
    I will give Benning some latitude with his passing last night given the face shield.

    It really does obscure your ability to see the puck on your stick/in your skates hence the double clutches and misfires.

    Interestingly, the shield can also make players a bit more reckless in the corners/aggressive on hits as they feel more protected.Maybe that’s all Poti required in the end!!

    High stick to the face not called, no infraction the guy has a face mask.

  45. Oilman99 says:

    ArmchairGM: I’ll have to check, but I believe they were not in the playoffs at the time of one of those wins. Academic, I suppose. But the point remains, this is not a playoff team.

    You are correct,they were out of a WC at the time.

  46. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    ArmchairGM: Since December 11th ( I believe) the Oilers have just 1 regulation win against a playoff team.

    – Not sure why you picked that date, or what takeaway is? But the two weeks before Dec. 11th they went 7 wins won 1 loss, beat: Dallas, Vegas, Calgary Colarado.

    – Klef went down on Dec. 11th (end of great run) untill Feb 5: was that your point: that Klef matters?

  47. Oilman99 says:

    LMHF#1: He’s been good – but the other 2 are top-10 players at this point. That’s rare air.

    If people are loving #93’s season outside of Edmonton, then due to the contract situation I’d be looking at him + an asset for a #1 RH and a scoring winger…but I know people will think that’s crazy.

    Then the search for a #2C starts, makes no sense,one step forward two steps back.

  48. Oilman99 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Not sure why you picked that date, or what takeaway is?But the two weeks before Dec. 11th they went 7 wins won 1 loss, beat: Dallas, Vegas, Calgary Colarado.

    – Klef went down on Dec. 11th (end of great run) untill Feb 5: was that your point: that Klef matters?

    The point is,they are not competetive against the top teams in the league. They were on a small streak before that, that could not be sustained due to the lack of talent depth.

  49. Death By Misadventure says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – With Sek (who still isn’t 100%), we’ve had 19 games with 6 bona-fide D = 100 point pace

    – If next year we can have the same/better D mix than

    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Sek-Benning

    – Simply is this a playoff team +, assuming no serious injuries or is the record with 6 D too small to make inferences?

    – I’m also hot to trot on Verbeek as our next GM…

    Lordy I hope they come back with better D then Nurse and Russell as the second pair. At this stage I’m fine with cashing them both for other pieces.

  50. LMHF#1 says:

    Oilman99: Then the search for a #2C starts, makes no sense,one step forward two steps back.

    Because having a #1RHD and a winger wouldn’t displace anyone…think for 2 seconds.

    Acquiring quality requires quality. I know this team hasn’t had a good GM who can make real deals for a good while…but this small thinking will mean the team never gets some of the things it needs.

  51. LMHF#1 says:

    I’m really wondering where people’s expectations/bar is…

    I start from essentially if the roster isn’t in Tampa territory – they aren’t done yet.

    Some people really seem to be okay with okay…that makes no sense.

  52. JimmyV1965 says:

    Death By Misadventure: Lordy I hope they come back with better D then Nurse and Russell as the second pair. At this stage I’m fine with cashing them both for other pieces.

    I thought Nurse had a fantastic game last night.

  53. JimmyV1965 says:

    LMHF#1: Because having a #1RHD and a winger wouldn’t displace anyone…think for 2 seconds.

    Acquiring quality requires quality. I know this team hasn’t had a good GM who can make real deals for a good while…but this small thinking will mean the team never gets some of the things it needs.

    No offence, but trading RNH would be a massive mistake. We have three top 6 forwards. Sure, it’s great to trade someone and get an even better forward. That still leaves us with three good forwards. We have to add good players without subtracting the three good forwards and three good dmen that we already have. Trading any of those guys is a step backwards.

  54. Alpine says:

    Oilman99: Then the search for a #2C starts, makes no sense,one step forward two steps back.

    Drai should be 2C anyways.

  55. Andy Dufresne says:

    Dont look now but Draisaitl in serious contention for the Maurice Richard Trophy.

    Ovechkin 49 goals Leon 47 goals

    Ovechkin 4 gms remaining Leon 5 gms remaining

    and the Capitals facing some pretty good goaltenders in their final games Mtl, Tampa, NYI

  56. Woogie63 says:

    Jay Woodcroft should have some serious discussion as the head coach of the Oilers.

    3 years as video coach of DRW
    7 years as assistant coach of SJS
    3 years as assistant coach of Oilers
    2 time an assistant coach of a ‘national team”
    1 year as head coach of Condors

    14 years of experience, +1100 games as a pro coach, quality guy know the Oilers and Condor stars as well as anyone

  57. Andy Dufresne says:

    Austin Mathews? Just behind Jake Guentzel and Mark Giordano in points. 🙂

  58. hunter1909 says:

    I’m in awe of having two world class hockey players paired together to terrorize the opposition and for the gloom and doom crowd, lol,

    Look at the Capitals 13 years before they lift the cup. Connor’s only had 3 so far.

  59. hunter1909 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Austin Mathews?Just behind Jake Guentzel and Mark Giordano in points.

    Pre that fake star Nylander getting signed Leafs were my bandwagon team, but now they’re certain early round fodder since that Swedish loser joined the team and destroyed the dressing room.

    Wild stab at who emerges from the West:

    Winnipeg!!

  60. blackadder says:

    LMHF#1,

    Ideally, you deal from a position of strength to address weaknesses. Right now, Center is not a position of strength, and to trade Nuge to address issues at RHD or wing (which Nuge can also play if needed) is just filling one hole by digging another.

    The problem is the roster is so poorly constructed there is no position of strength, save maybe for some depth in terms of defensive prospects, to fill the gaping holes we have. Better to take a longer term view and develop options from within then continue the wack-a-mole strategies the team has used for the last decade.

  61. Side says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Austin Mathews?Just behind Jake Guentzel and Mark Giordano in points.

    I noticed Taylor Hall has only played 33 games this season, but he still has more points than any of our wingers (excluding our C’s who are playing Wing).

    I cry.

  62. hunter1909 says:

    Side: I noticed Taylor Hall has only played 33 games this season, but he still has more points than any of our wingers (excluding our C’s who are playing Wing).

    I cry.

    Well. Isn’t it about time you Oiler fans gave up holding a torch for Taylor Hall?

  63. Pretendergast says:

    From the last thread but ironic seeing as in crunch time that’s all we get:

    Bit late but i bet Bruce will love that the last 6 games the Oilers have had 6 powerplays, 1 per game. I don’t know how either.

  64. Side says:

    hunter1909: Well. Isn’t it about time you Oiler fans gave up holding a torch for Taylor Hall?

    It’s hard when Bob Nicholson says things like “if only Reider produced as was expected, we would be in the playoffs”.

    If only the Oilers had a winger who consistently put up good numbers and then some… hmmm…

  65. JimmyV1965 says:

    blackadder:
    LMHF#1,

    Ideally, you deal from a position of strength to address weaknesses.Right now, Center is not a position of strength, and to trade Nuge to address issues at RHD or wing (which Nuge can also play if needed) is just filling one hole by digging another.

    The problem is the roster is so poorly constructed there is no position of strength, save maybe for some depth in terms of defensive prospects, to fill the gaping holes we have.Better to take a longer term view and develop options from within then continue the wack-a-mole strategies the team has used for the last decade.

    We need to trade the fijrst round pick if we want to acquire a difference maker.

  66. HT Joe says:

    Paulie:
    JimmyV1965,

    Kevin Quinn called 97 and 29 Batman and Robin last night. Superman and Batman is better.

    The DCEU has been painful (unless we’re going to call them Wonder Woman and Aquaman).
    How about Captain America and Iron Man? 😀

    *EDIT* I prefer Iron Man and Thor now that I’ve had a chance to think about it…

  67. HT Joe says:

    Side: It’s hard when Bob Nicholson says things like “if only Reider produced as was expected, we would be in the playoffs”.

    If only the Oilers had a winger who consistently put up good numbers and then some… hmmm…

    If only the Oilers’ ownership and management team hadn’t made such a mess of things throughout the McDavid era, starting literally 20 minutes after the Oilers drafted McDavid…

  68. doritogrande says:

    Serious question, is Gagner a viable option at 3C next year? I don’t really mind our center depth if its McDavid-Nuge-Gagner-Cave-Brodziak.

    Of course, that then makes the question “can we cobble together enough over-replacement-level wingers to field a competitive team” very important.

  69. who says:

    JimmyV1965,

    LMHF#1: Because having a #1RHD and a winger wouldn’t displace anyone…think for 2 seconds.

    Acquiring quality requires quality. I know this team hasn’t had a good GM who can make real deals for a good while…but this small thinking will mean the team never gets some of the things it needs.

    The problem with your position is that it’s a fantasy.
    We are not getting a 1RD, AND a scoring winger, for Nuge. We tried that before the Hall trade and couldn’t even get the 1RD (Seth Jones).
    I don’t think Nuges value has gone up much since Nashville turned down that trade.

  70. Reja says:

    JimmyV1965:
    We could replace the entire bottom six with players available on Day 7 of free agency and we would be better.

    Bottom 8

  71. Reja says:

    who:
    JimmyV1965,

    The problem with your position is that it’s a fantasy.
    We are not getting a 1RD, AND a scoring winger, for Nuge. We tried that before the Hall trade and couldn’t even get the 1RD (Seth Jones).
    I don’t think Nuges value has gone up much since Nashville turned down that trade.

    The only two Oilers where we have a potential of winning big on a trade is Nurse or Kelfbom.

  72. The Trade Guy says:

    Durag:
    McDavid is only 7 points off the lead with 5 to play. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he scores 10+ points. Kucherov can’t afford to rest on his laurels!

    Wouldn’t it be great if we had a defensively responsible 3C who could score 15-20 goals so we wouldn’t even have to worry about splitting up Connor and Leon? Sighhhhhhhhhh

    Tampa has things to play for. Hopefully, they rest him. Let Connor get regular season glory. Its all the Oilers afford him.

  73. dessert1111 says:

    Priorities for next year, in order:

    1RW
    1B goalie
    2W
    3 C/W
    2RD

    1RW and 2RD will be toug, but I think the rest are manageable.

    I have more confidence in the D in the system filling the hole there within the next couple of years than I do all those forward holes being filled.

  74. Side says:

    HT Joe: The DCEU has been painful (unless we’re going to call them Wonder Woman and Aquaman).
    How about Captain America and Iron Man?

    *EDIT* I prefer Iron Man and Thor now that I’ve had a chance to think about it…

    McDavid is like Captain Marvel.

    Except his DNA was spliced with an alien species that doesn’t shoot energy out of his arms, but instead was really good at hockey.

  75. Alpine says:

    LT, I enjoyed your article on the athletic about UFA forward targets. Though I’m curious why there seems to be this idea that Brett Connolly is gonna command 5 mil per.

    Connolly is better than Chiasson but I doubt he gets more than a 4×4 deal at most. Though, I can’t imagine he gets to UFA as most of his comparables (middle six guys) usually re-signed with their teams. He is a favourite target of mine, but that’s grounded in his UFA contract being affordable.

    I think he’s more in the Paul Byron/Antoine Roussell tier of players than he is in the Silfverberg/Bailey group. Guys getting 5 mil or more have had multiple good years over 40 or 50 points. Bonino’s another comparison and he got 4 x 4.1 mil, and Lars Eller got 5 x 3.5 mil.

    David Perron signed for 2 x 3.75 in 2017 at age 28 after a couple ‘down’ years where he was still around 0.50 PPG in both years. He signed for 4×4 at age 30 after a 60+ point season. I think those two contracts are benchmarks for how much you would ideally pay Connolly or Eberle or Donskoi.

    Ferland will get Wilson money or more. I’d avoid him. I don’t know if Connolly will get Wilson money because he doesn’t have the “tough guy” label. Wilson is only getting paid til age 30 too so I don’t know if a team wants to pay Connolly til he’s 32.

  76. russ99 says:

    JimmyV1965,

    It’s not Nuge the player, I’d love it if he turns into the Oilers version of Kesler without the dirt. It’s the $6M cap hit with no trade protections.

    Not to mention, he’ll want significantly more than that to resign after his contract is up in two years, that is if he wants to come back and given the track record of losing, who’d blame him if he didn’t.

    Any shrewd GM would have to at least look into it, but I wouldn’t move him unless real impact was coming back. And I surely wouldn’t move him chasing rebuild pipe dream #2 (after the next, then the real Lucic) the mythical sweet passing, all-around RHD with the killer shot, that nobody ever seems to trade.

    Besides, we need to add to the top 6, not open another pretty large hole. As long as Connor and Drai can score at these levels together, keep it rolling.

    As for a 2-1 or 3-1 deal in return for Nuge, those would have be some really good young cost controlled NHL players.

    Wayne taught us, some of us at a very young age, that any player can be traded.

  77. Alpine says:

    To add to that, Eberle seems like a really good candidate to get for 3 years under 4 mil per, a la what STL did with Perron twice.

    I thought he might get James Neal money but Neal’s goals per game rate was still very good until this season and he had a few seasons of playoff success, which altogether should have added some extra dough to his contract.

    Eberle’s inconsistency should help us in negotiations and odds are he’d be open to coming back with a new management team.

  78. HT Joe says:

    Side: Except his DNA was spliced with an alien species that doesn’t shoot energy out of his arms, but instead was really good at hockey.

    Man, I’m behind in my MCU films… gotta see that one!

  79. JimmyV1965 says:

    russ99:
    JimmyV1965,

    It’s not Nuge the player, I’d love it if he turns into the Oilers version of Kesler without the dirt. It’s the $6M cap hit with no trade protections.

    Not to mention, he’ll want significantly more than that to resign after his contract is up in two years, that is if he wants to come back and given the track record of losing, who’d blame him if he didn’t.

    Any shrewd GM would have to at least look into it, but I wouldn’t move him unless real impact was coming back. And I surely wouldn’t move him chasing rebuild pipe dream #2 (after the next, then the real Lucic) the mythical sweet passing, all-around RHD with the killer shot, that nobody ever seems to trade.

    Besides, we need to add to the top 6, not open another pretty large hole. As long as Connor and Drai can score at these levels together, keep it rolling.

    As for a 2-1 or 3-1 deal in return for Nuge, those would have be some really good young cost controlled NHL players.

    Wayne taught us, some of us at a very young age, that any player can be traded.

    Although I’m totally against trading RNH, I do have a caveat. If the Oilers don’t make a serious effort to improve the team in the offseason and opt for yet another slow rebuild, I would trade him with two years left on his contract. There is a very good possibility he doesn’t resign here if the team sucks and you don’t want to trade him with only one year left on his contract. However, this is a much different conversation than trading him today for a couple lesser pieces to improve today. I really like the analogy that you’re digging one hole to fill another hole.

  80. Leroy Draisdale says:

    Woogie63:
    Jay Woodcroft should have some serious discussion as the head coach of the Oilers.

    3 years as video coach of DRW
    7 years as assistant coach of SJS
    3 years as assistant coach of Oilers
    2 time an assistant coach of a ‘national team”
    1 year as head coach of Condors

    14 years of experience, +1100 games as a pro coach, quality guy know the Oilers and Condor stars as well as anyone

    Add to that a year of riding the bus….that puts him over the top by my calculations

  81. Alpine says:

    Woogie63:
    Jay Woodcroft should have some serious discussion as the head coach of the Oilers.

    3 years as video coach of DRW
    7 years as assistant coach of SJS
    3 years as assistant coach of Oilers
    2 time an assistant coach of a ‘national team”
    1 year as head coach of Condors

    14 years of experience, +1100 games as a pro coach, quality guy know the Oilers and Condor stars as well as anyone

    I’d rather give him another year or two of head coach experience just to see if he can maintain a similar level to what he was able to do this year. Not much risk in doing that, because I doubt another team will snap him up so soon.

    There’s lots of other up and coming types and it doesn’t seem like AHL coaches get snapped up that often anyways unless they’re mid season replacements.

    Now if Jay wins the Calder Cup in his first year then I might reconsider how close I think he is to being ready for an NHL HC job.

  82. Dr. Taboggan says:

    doritogrande,

    Gagner is not a viable option for 3C. If we want to be competitive Gagner should be a fourth line winger. Also, Cave and Brodz are not NHL players.

  83. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    JimmyV1965: If the Oilers don’t make a serious effort to improve the team in the offseason and opt for yet another slow rebuild…

    – Next year, I’d take a team that makes the playoffs with a little room, compounding another year of draft and develop, and some prudent additions and departures that doesn’t lower the ceiling

    – Which is why you have the money question. We haven’t been pitched a “plan” in a long time. Not once in the Chia era did he or Coach or Nic come out and say anything other than “we have a plan”

    – I think there is enough evidence to suggest that the roster when healthy is better than its record the last two years, and I believe this has been really down-played

    – But that doesn’t matter. Those advocating acquiring all of #2RHD, top-line winger, another legit scorer pronto as McD is in year 5: you want to move RNH, Pool, Nurse, buy-outs, prospects +

    – This team has sucked for a a number of years. If new GM comes in and tells us a plan, and that plan is to trade away: he better be Slats plus.

    – I’ve be for a new GM and management that ends up with better results net than Chia did in terms of player procurement, small trades etc, no swinging-for-fences: playing in the same sandbox with the eye towards 6 year run of deep playoffs (Washington has 5 100 point season in a row and a Cup type run)

  84. Death By Misadventure says:

    JimmyV1965: I thought Nurse had a fantastic game last night.

    Small sample size! 😀

  85. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    – I think there is enough evidence to suggest that the roster when healthy is better than its record the last two years, and I believe this has been really down-played

    It is downplayed because it does not matter. The team will never be healthy. Every team deals with significant injuries every year.

  86. who says:

    dessert1111:
    Priorities for next year, in order:

    1RW
    1B goalie
    2W
    3 C/W
    2RD

    1RW and 2RD will be toug, but I think the rest are manageable.

    I have more confidence in the D in the system filling the hole there within the next couple of years than I do all those forward holes being filled.

    That’s a pretty big list. And I’m not sure that those are all “must haves”. Let me go through it and see if I can simplify it.
    1)1RW- I agree that this is the biggest need , but not necessarily in that lineup spot. We need to sign the best offensive winger we have the cap space for. That player needs to play with Nuge. Our first line is just fine right now. Leave it alone.
    2)1B goalie- No question, we need a backup. But I wouldn’t blow my brains out on one. Sign the best one you can find for 1.5 to 2 million. We’ve already made the bet on Koskinen, don’t sign another guy for that kind of money.
    3)2W- Sure, if you can find one. And fit him in the budget. But I don’t think it’s imperative. I’d rather spend the extra money ensuring we have a guy that can drive play to adress your first point.
    4)3C/W- 3C maybe but it’s not a must. I would be happy to give Marody or Khaira a shot there. I think guys like JP and Benson can fill the wings on the 3rd line.
    5)2RD- This would be number 2 on my priority list, but I’m not sure it’s a “must have” either. And the only way I would do it is if I could move the Sekera or Russell contracts. If not I would continue to make do with Russell or Sekera, and wait for Bouchard or Jones to claim the spot.

    In summary, the biggest need is to find an offensive driver for the Nuge line. Let’s try and get 2 lines scoring before we worry about the 3rd one.
    Fill the backup goalie position for 1.5 to 2 million and add a RD only if you can move some salary off the backend.
    Scoring winger and backup goalie are doable. 2RD might be tough.

  87. Death By Misadventure says:

    JimmyV1965: No offence, but trading RNH would be a massive mistake. We have three top 6 forwards. Sure, it’s great to trade someone and get an even better forward. That still leaves us with three good forwards. We have to add good players without subtracting the three good forwards and three good dmen that we already have. Trading any of those guys is a step backwards.

    Absolutely agree. But those new and talented players cost heaps of cap space that the Oilers don’t have. First order of business this summer is dumping cap space, until then adding talent just seems theoretical.

  88. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    It is downplayed because it does not matter. The team will never be healthy. Every team deals with significant injuries every year.

    – We kind of have gone through this a lot: not even close, if you include Sek, no team has lost remotely what we have last two years from top-4 D

    – Had Larsson, Sek and Klef been as healthy as Nurse, Russell and Benning (missing reasonable +/- 4-10 games/season) last two years results would have been different

    – At this teams stage, we got really hurt by this

    – Toronto and their recent struggles with the absence of some of their D, Vegas at beginning of year: etc. Having 6 D who are bona-fide helps a lot

    – Again it doesn’t matter going forward: it was just luck that our top-6 D lost so much time to injury: but it mattered much more than “well other teams lose players too”

  89. SwedishPoster says:

    Both Filip Berglund and Joel Persson’s respective teams are down 3-1 in the quarterfinals of the SHL playoffs. Persson is yet to play in the playoffs due to injury but at least he’s back skating and said to be close to returning. His team really need him.

    Berglund has played ok, second on his team in D ice time, but not close to the level he had during last years playoffs when he was one of the top performers overall. He’s just not finding that next gear and tonight he had a pretty rough game in 4-2 loss, he was – 2 and had brutal giveaway leading straight to the 4-2 goal from Capital prospect Jonsson-Fjällby. Imo he’s still defending well but he lacks the confidence with the puck he has when he’s truly on.

  90. Side says:

    HT Joe: Man, I’m behind in my MCU films… gotta see that one!

    The Captain Marvel movie is better than average compared to other Marvel movies so it’s worth seeing if you are into the genre.

    My description is not entirely accurate to what happens in the movie but.. if you plan on seeing it I will avoid posting spoilers. lol

  91. Side says:

    Leroy Draisdale: Add to that a year of riding the bus….that puts him over the top by my calculations

    You’re using the wrong calculator. Bus riding only comes into play if you will be coaching an AHL team because being able to know what that demographic of players go through is critical (even though Woodcroft himself already went through the AHL life as a player and can relate to them from that perspective). As an NHL coach you don’t need to worry about that life as you travel via planes and stay in fancy hotels, so that bus experience is not applicable.

    Or so I read.

  92. leadfarmer says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    doritogrande,

    Gagner is not a viable option for 3C. If we want to be competitive Gagner should be a fourth line winger. Also, Cave and Brodz are not NHL players.

    Thats the big question for next year. How many of these meh forwards can we keep. We have like 7 4th liners. Really need a whole new 3rd line and have Khaira, and 2 of these guys that we keep as a 4th line

  93. Woogie63 says:

    Alpine: I’d rather give him another year or two of head coach experience just to see if he can maintain a similar level to what he was able to do this year. Not much risk in doing that, because I doubt another team will snap him up so soon.

    There’s lots of other up and coming types and it doesn’t seem like AHL coaches get snapped up that often anyways unless they’re mid season replacements.

    Now if Jay wins the Calder Cup in his first year then I might reconsider how close I think he is to being ready for an NHL HC job.

    He has 1100 pro games as a coach, what are you hoping he learns in another 150 or so games?

  94. LMHF#1 says:

    who:
    JimmyV1965,

    The problem with your position is that it’s a fantasy.
    We are not getting a 1RD, AND a scoring winger, for Nuge. We tried that before the Hall trade and couldn’t even get the 1RD (Seth Jones).
    I don’t think Nuges value has gone up much since Nashville turned down that trade.

    You will notice I said “If people are loving #93’s season outside of Edmonton, then due to the contract situation I’d be looking at him + an asset for a #1 RH and a scoring winger”.

    Not straight up.
    Not if they don’t value him highly.

    People seem confused…the guy is invaluable and amazing…but also not worth a lot at the same time…this isn’t how it works…

  95. Dr. Taboggan says:

    leadfarmer,

    Yeah I do not think it is likely the new GM can fill all the holes in the bottom-9.

    I just don’t think any real playoff contender would be comfortable starting next season with Brodz, Cave and Gagner as your options for 3C & 4C.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    LMHF#1:
    It is beyond a shame that this season from #97 and #29 is being wasted.

    I don’t know where people’s expectations and low bars are set…but the way this season has played out, both missing the playoffs and even just barely making them should be considered utterly embarrassing.

    Not even really coming close is almost unfathomable…that’s how bad things have been. That’s how bad the choices have been since the 2016 deadline.

    Most people – and especially the Oilers organization itself – are not facing this reality and never will.

    Bah.

    Nothing you say is wrong as far as management and the decisions you have made but I won’t agree with respect to the “waste” verbal.

    Do i want them to win the cup? Of course, that’s the ultimate goal?

    Am I disappointing they didn’t make the playoff and it may take a few years to get back? Of course, playoff hockey is the best and I wish my team was in it. In 2006 I attended 7 games at Rexal, while living in Calgary – I am committed.

    At the same time, I watched 80 games this year, all except for two when I was in Sri Lanka, and the players did something almost every game that absolutely made it “worth it”.

    Absolutely they need to make changes and take steps to improve the team. This season wasn’t good enough but at the same time, as a fan who tunes in nightly, I am not in agreement on the “waste” comment.

    Yes, the organization “knows it” – they know they need to be better – they fired a coach and a general manager this year – they know the current product isn’t good enough.

  97. Lowetide says:

    Jethro Tull: Didn’t see it, old chap. Was otherwise engaged. Will check it out! (I wasn’t being facetious with my post – I sincerely meant it.)

    No worries, my post may have seemed terse but wasn’t meant to read that way.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    The McDavid goal was so fast that I could not even see it in real time. I thought he fired a backhand and it went in. Did not see the stickwork, the between the legs, the shot to top corner. Actually needed a slow reply to see what he did. This is amazing.

    And then disappointing at the same time.

    Yup, and I think Kevin Quinn had the same issue given the way he made the call.

    I was like, “he scored, how” – and then the replay was shown and my jaw dropped.

  99. pts2pndr says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Teams always have injuries. Every team could say if “X” player was healthy we would be so much better. So what? Good teams have enough depth that they can survive a few injuries to key players.

    Also the Oilers schedule in the last month has been pretty easy so the 100pt pace since Sekera returned is likely inflated.

    This is true however our farm team is now approaching what is normal for the better organizations in the NHL. This will allow for cover for injuries and assets to acquire a player if required without using a high draft choice plus plus. We are not there yet but so long as we keep our picks and continue to build a feeder system through the farm team things will improve.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Gillis is the “safe” choice, as he’s older and would be known to the OBC, wouldn’t fire people, be happy to have the job

    That is the opposite of everything I have read and heard.

    The accounts are that the OBC do not want him, partially because they know (and he has professed) that he would want complete autonomy and the ability to, essentially, clean house.

  101. Lowetide says:

    Alpine:
    LT, I enjoyed your article on the athletic about UFA forward targets. Though I’m curious why there seems to be this idea that Brett Connolly is gonna command 5 mil per.

    Connolly is better than Chiasson but I doubt he gets more than a 4×4 deal at most. Though, I can’t imagine he gets to UFA as most of his comparables (middle six guys) usually re-signed with their teams. He is a favourite target of mine, but that’s grounded in his UFA contract being affordable.

    I think he’s more in the Paul Byron/Antoine Roussell tier of players than he is in the Silfverberg/Bailey group. Guys getting 5 mil or more have had multiple good years over 40 or 50 points. Bonino’s another comparison and he got 4 x 4.1 mil, and Lars Eller got 5 x 3.5 mil.

    David Perron signed for 2 x 3.75 in 2017 at age 28 after a couple ‘down’ years where he was still around 0.50 PPG in both years. He signed for 4×4 at age 30 after a 60+ point season. I think those two contracts are benchmarks for how much you would ideally pay Connolly or Eberle or Donskoi.

    Ferland will get Wilson money or more. I’d avoid him. I don’t know if Connolly will get Wilson money because he doesn’t have the “tough guy” label. Wilson is only getting paid til age 30 too so I don’t know if a team wants to pay Connolly til he’s 32.

    I spent a lot of time with Connolly’s possible cap hit, and am absolutely at the high end. However, I think Connolly’s season, combined with a small UFA talent pool, mean he and others are going to make inflated dollars.

    If he signs in Washington, we might see $3.5 million, but if he goes to free agency imo there will be an inflated AAV.

  102. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Alpine:
    LT, I enjoyed your article on the athletic about UFA forward targets. Though I’m curious why there seems to be this idea that Brett Connolly is gonna command 5 mil per.

    Connolly is better than Chiasson but I doubt he gets more than a 4×4 deal at most. Though, I can’t imagine he gets to UFA as most of his comparables (middle six guys) usually re-signed with their teams. He is a favourite target of mine, but that’s grounded in his UFA contract being affordable.

    I think he’s more in the Paul Byron/Antoine Roussell tier of players than he is in the Silfverberg/Bailey group. Guys getting 5 mil or more have had multiple good years over 40 or 50 points. Bonino’s another comparison and he got 4 x 4.1 mil, and Lars Eller got 5 x 3.5 mil.

    David Perron signed for 2 x 3.75 in 2017 at age 28 after a couple ‘down’ years where he was still around 0.50 PPG in both years. He signed for 4×4 at age 30 after a 60+ point season. I think those two contracts are benchmarks for how much you would ideally pay Connolly or Eberle or Donskoi.

    Ferland will get Wilson money or more. I’d avoid him. I don’t know if Connolly will get Wilson money because he doesn’t have the “tough guy” label. Wilson is only getting paid til age 30 too so I don’t know if a team wants to pay Connolly til he’s 32.

    I’m probably responsible for suggesting a too-high price tag for Connolly.

    Your comps are good and its more likely under $5M.

  103. Statsman says:

    Here’s the thing about trading Nuge…you would have no cover if either McDaxid or Drai (assuming he centres his own line going forward) sustain an injury. Inevitably it will happen. Other than faceoffs, Nuge is very capable centrre that could step in as a 2C seamlessly if injuries occur to the Big 2.

    Also, when one looks at the composition of recent Olympic teams, they take as many centres as possible and only a few true wingers.
    Most centres can adjust to playing the wing easily – not so much the other way.

  104. McSorley33 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    – Not sure why you picked that date, or what takeaway is? But the two weeks before Dec. 11th they went 7 wins won 1 loss, beat: Dallas, Vegas, Calgary Colarado.
    ******************************************************************************************************
    The takeaway?

    The Roster is brutal. But for some odd reason you are – still – inclined to want to defend it.

    Dustin Byfuglien has only played 37 games so far the Jets – he is expected to return this weekend.

    Josh Morrisey has played 59 games.

    Strange – other teams seem to have injuries as well.

    ‘When you watch Milan Lucic, Colby Cave, Tobias Rieder and Kyle Brodziak , I am
    genuinely curious what you see?

    You sound ( I could be wrong ) like you want to bring the full roster back next year…

  105. leadfarmer says:

    5 mil per for Connolly
    Might as well give the reins back to Chia
    Chance you don’t regret that contract
    0%

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Eberle at < $4M has the potential to be quite a value contract.

    On the other hand, Ryan Strome has had the better year this year.

  107. pts2pndr says:

    Woogie63: He has 1100 pro games as a coach, what are you hoping he learns in another 150 or so games?

    I would also like Woodcroft to have one more year in the AHL. What it would do in my opinion is allow him to train our five very good prospects that he is about to acquire how to play his system. This would give him a better base to work with of players that he knows, that know the system he will want to implement. Add them to his elite corps at the NHL level and I believe you would have something special

  108. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Eberle at < $4M has the potential to be quite a value contract.

    On the other hand, Ryan Strome has had the better year this year.

    If we could put him in a easy minute 3rd line role with Nuge that would be ok
    Otherwise meh. Game has gotten fast and he doesn’t have the size or speed to be a difference maker

  109. Reja says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    leadfarmer,

    Yeah I do not think it is likely the new GM can fill all the holes in the bottom-9.

    I just don’t think any real playoff contender would be comfortable starting next season with Brodz, Cave and Gagner as your options for 3C & 4C.

    We need wingers that can score play top 6 new GM’s first mission should be get rid of dead cap space. Lucic Manning Gagner Russell,Sekera to some extent whatever it takes draft picks, assets except Benson and Bouchard,future draft picks get the trading GM hammered hire hookers just do it. The pressure will be immense on the new GM to turn this ship around next year.

  110. leadfarmer says:

    Unfortunately I think the smartest decision is to stay put and only bring in players on one year deals this offseason and spend next year growing internally and the following offseason trying to get out from under the Sekera Russell Lucic contracts
    I mean if you can do it this offseason great but we don’t even have a GM so not expecting miracles and our prospects on D need another year of cover (Bouchard and Jones need to start next season in Bakersfield)

  111. SwedishPoster says:

    LMHF#1: You will notice I said “If people are loving #93’s season outside of Edmonton, then due to the contract situation I’d be looking at him + an asset for a #1 RH and a scoring winger”.

    Not straight up.
    Not if they don’t value him highly.

    People seem confused…the guy is invaluable and amazing…but also not worth a lot at the same time…this isn’t how it works…

    Who do you think RNH would fetch with two years left on his contract? I have a hard time finding a reasonable non pipedream deal that makes sense and clearly improves the team. Short of taking a shot at a couple of buy low guys near a big breakout I don’t see a big win, and that type of trade is a big risk to take when you have so little depth at forward.
    An argument could be made that they need to take a big swing at such a trade to quickly improve the team around McDrai but I just don’t trust the group in charge to make that swing as I see a Charlie Brown and Lucy situation playing out.

  112. Professor Q says:

    SwedishPoster: Who do you think RNH would fetch with two years left on his contract? I have a hard time finding a reasonable non pipedream deal that makes sense and clearly improves the team. Short of taking a shot at a couple of buy low guys near a big breakout I don’t see a big win, and that type of trade is a big risk to take when you have so little depth at forward.
    An argument could be made that they need to take a big swing at such a trade to quickly improve the team around McDrai but I just don’t trust the group in charge to make that swing as I see a Charlie Brown and Lucy situation playing out.

    It could end up being the Jordan Staal Push to get them into Cup Winner status, but I just favour Nuge a lot more than Staal at this time, as opposed to that time in Pittsburgh.

  113. OmJo says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I think there is enough evidence to suggest that the roster when healthy is better than its record the last two years, and I believe this has been really down-played

    The problem with that is that this can be said of literally every team in every sport. So it isn’t saying much.

    This was the thinking of Chiarelli for the last two seasons.

    He seemed to think he didn’t need to improve the roster in summer 17 and summer 18 because when we get Sekera back everything will be sunshine and rainbows like in 16-17. Well how did that turn out?

    The timing for this way of thinking was 15-16, when the team was absolutely decimated with injuries in a way that no team could recover from. Instead of being calm this organization lost their shit and here we are with no depth and no cap space…

  114. OmJo says:

    who: 5)2RD- This would be number 2 on my priority list, but I’m not sure it’s a “must have” either. And the only way I would do it is if I could move the Sekera or Russell contracts. If not I would continue to make do with Russell or Sekera, and wait for Bouchard or Jones to claim the spot.

    Not only is it a plan B barring some crazy twist of fate for Jones or Bouchard, but when they are ready that 2RD theoretically becomes a tradable asset at a future trade deadline.

  115. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: On the other hand, Ryan Strome has had the better year this year.

    … because he’s not on the Oilers. Seriously, this is where careers come to die.

  116. New Improved Darkness says:

    leadfarmer: Unfortunately I think the smartest decision is to stay put and only bring in players on one year deals this off season and spend next year growing internally and the following off season trying to get out from under the Sekera Russell Lucic contracts.

    The new GM is not going to enthuse Connor or Drai by shrugging his shoulders and saying “what can I do? my hand are tied”.

    He’s got to lean in with a vengeance and turn every available stone, on day one.

    Problem: it’s a large quarry infested with mussels, with many of the Jurassic bivalves having taken up residence by secreting an unmovable rock snot so sticky it sends 3M’s hardened analytic chemists screaming from the room; one even tried to evacuate straight out the elven fume hood, having forgotten in the moment of panic that his Santa Brand coveralls are irreversible.

    So his hands are almost worse than tied, but you have to turn the rocks with a vengeance anyway, or you lack team spirit.

    So the new GM is definitely going to need some silicone gloves—and I mean liquid silicone—and a bucket of hagfish, too. If the rock fights back, you toss a hagfish under, let the rock slam back down, and hope for the best. Maybe the mollusk surrenders, maybe he doesn’t. (In the sticky business of no-movement clastrophilia, there’s no accounting for taste.)

    Unfortunately, time is the only sure solvent, and I’m not presently holding my breath for a 2020 Great Spring Forward out of the box.

    By autumn 2020, however, there’s at least a dim hope—on the down slope of the rock-snot conundrum—we’re finally front-loading the class of Bear, berry type overripe, with a studly Kubota.

  117. LMHF#1 says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Not sure…this depends on what the opinion on Hopkins is around the league.

    Have to take a look at it as an option though. This window in contracts is when strong managers can hit home runs.

    #93 is also a reliable C…some are willing to give more than they should for such players.

  118. leadfarmer says:

    New Improved Darkness,

    I have no idea what you are trying to say but mussels sound good for dinner

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harvard got crushed 4-0 in the NCAA tournament today. Nice to see Adam Fox -3 and Marino not on for any goals against.

    Does this finally end Harvard’s season?

  120. leadfarmer says:

    LMHF#1:
    SwedishPoster,

    Not sure…this depends on what the opinion on Hopkins is around the league.

    Have to take a look at it as an option though. This window in contracts is when strong managers can hit home runs.

    #93 is also a reliable C…some are willing to give more than they should for such players.

    Ryan Nugent Hopkins does not get Ryan Nugent Hopkins player back
    He has the Oilers stink on him
    We have internal prospect depth to cover that 2 RHD hole in a year or two
    We don’t have the internal depth to plug 4 top 6 forward holes

  121. Genjutsu says:

    HT Joe: The DCEU has been painful (unless we’re going to call them Wonder Woman and Aquaman).
    How about Captain America and Iron Man? 😀

    *EDIT* I prefer Iron Man and Thor now that I’ve had a chance to think about it…

    DC has been horrible except Nolan’s Batman trilogy and Burtons two Batman films.

    WW was okay and Aquaman meh. They look better compared to the complete garbage that is the rest of DC.

    Doom Patrol has its moments.

  122. Glovjuice says:

    hunter1909: Pre that fake star Nylander getting signed Leafs were my bandwagon team, but now they’re certain early round fodder since that Swedish loser joined the team and destroyed the dressing room.

    Wild stab at who emerges from the West:

    Winnipeg!!

    sharks

  123. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Harvard got crushed 4-0 in the NCAA tournament today.Nice to see Adam Fox -3 and Marino not on for any goals against.

    Does this finally end Harvard’s season?

    Yes. Marino made a fantastic (and lucky) defensive play in that game.

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    Given the influx of d-men to our pro ranks (Bouchard, Samorukov) or North American pro ranks (Persson) in addition to Bear, Jones, Lagesson already there, I would prefer if Marino went back to school for his senior year.

    I mean, we only want to break in one of these guys maybe two if we stretch it and do dispose of Russell. With Lowe back in the fold next year and Manning under contract (hopefully taking over from Stanton if we can’t move him ($1M retained), there isn’t much ice to go around.

    If only Fox would turn pro and give Marino some increased opportunities.

  125. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    McSorley33:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    You sound ( I could be wrong ) like you want to bring the full roster back next year…

    – For sure not: when you suck for two years, new guy comes in and throws chairs around

    – Trading a Nurse RNH, Pool, Russell, Sek, Benning, etc,: I don’t see how your getting addtions by subtractions. And buy-outs lower your ceiling

    – So as much as it fun to read propositions on how we are going to trade Russell and get a stud RHD, or buy-out Lucic, and get someone awesome for $3MM: or RNH brings in a huge haul, I think you nibble around the edges

    – And with NHL-normal health, the team grows and gets better. The roster isn’t as bad when healthy as we’ve been. Prudence, and smart moves: not going for broke in off season, i.e not getting a stud D, a bunch of stud wingers, better 3C , etc. Because your blowing it up to do that

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    No Yamamoto again tonight – sigh!

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dylan Wells gets the start tonight.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    I remain unable to see how trading a 20 year old recent 4th overall pick for pennies on the dollar is any way a reasonable thing to do.

    A team devoid of talent on the wings is going to trade a recent 4th overall winger, with a rare combination of size and speed that, not only is made for the current game but also results in a bit of a longer development curve?

    How is that possibly a reasonable bet? How is the potential to help the team greater than the risk?

  129. New Improved Darkness says:

    Giving is joyful, receiving is divine, regifting is a wet dream.

    ———

    I contemplate the muse from time to time. (No relation to the mussels of my previous post.)

    It’s not like I have no control over where these things go.

    Often I manage to pack fifteen choices into a dozen words, by carefully steering a few double-yolkers into the accordion corner cups. (My family once had 200 New Hampshire chickens growing up, and there was even the odd triple-yolker that could fit into no flexible corner of no carton at all—at least not with the lid secure; once or twice some chicken must have cackled with real feeling and jaunty suspenders, just as I do myself, whenever I accomplish the same feat.)

    Yesterday, before the dust settled, I had a legless Kenneth Branagh in full evil-mustache high-dudgeon going:

    Blast biceps! I want steeeeam! Bring me the girl from Wakanda! We must work!

    His arms were tired from having to roll his 1867 standard-issue wheelchair up a long access ramp the day before. Not as tired as The Bride’s arms after she punches her way out of a pine box from six feet under, but pretty tired all the same. You can be sure, though, that his next wheelchair will be full-on evil steampunk, fully adapted to a steampunk world. He’s found his calling, and his calling is good, but there’s this small problem of vibranium unobtainium—without which boilerless steampunk artifice is reduced to so much empty adornment. But the point was that Wild, Wild West (panned) and Blank Panther (plaudits) were basically the same movie, if you squinted your eyes just the least bit. So he needs the Wakanda girl, and he needs her now; this task he delegates to his nearest minion, who immediately cottons on that when it comes to matters Wakandan, you catch more flies with honey, rather than vinegar. (Branagh, being old and white—and with a pointy ‘stache to bootlick moreover—will never fully grasp this diplomatic subtlety, putting his minion between a serious rock and a hard place; but still the minion abides, and he does break out his regal, Sunday best in penning an urgent solicitation, whether finally adequate to the cause, or not.)

    The whole thing was a thing of beauty, but it delivered itself into this world like a French horn mated with a Rubik’s Cube. Every pipe in its place, but still a lot to ask, like when Temple Grandin goes “I’ll take Mondoshawan blueprint sight-reading for 1000, Alex.” It went from William Munny to Rieder to Pulp Fiction to The Bride to 9/11 to Branagh to the Wakanda girl within a single French horn cheek-bolus (without offering the least respite for additional intake of breath).

    And then today I’m taken up with an image of Jurassic bivalves (instead of brass piston trivalves), and it delivers itself into this world like a trombone mated with a panini press: every pipe so exposed and easy to trace, I could be sued for infringement by the Stencil Corp.

    No matter how much control you exert, whatever material you find in your Santa stocking has a stubborn mind of its own.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson down the wing to Day out front to Marody and its 1-0 Condors!

    9 game point streaks for each of Benson and Marody (14 points for Marody, 16 for Benson).

    Benson now tied for the AHL lead in rookie scoring.

  131. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I remain unable to see how trading a 20 year old recent 4th overall pick for pennies on the dollar is any way a reasonable thing to do.

    A team devoid of talent on the wings is going to trade a recent 4th overall winger, with a rare combination of size and speed that, not only is made for the current game but also results in a bit of a longer development curve?

    How is that possibly a reasonable bet? How is the potential to help the team greater than the risk?

    Is he really a combination of size and speed though? Perhaps it was the injury and this is just some confirmation bias, but he seems to be closer to average speed than he is to being a fast player.

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lagesson has struggled a bit to my eye over the last 4-5 games – some turnovers and lots of minor penalties.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a beauty PP goal by Marody – I’m not exactly sure how he put that one in after a beauty drive to the net.

    Assist – Tyler Benson who now sits alone at the top of the rookie scoring lead (one point ahead of the older player in 2nd place who has played 7 more games….)

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yes, I would say that Jesse is fast – what he isn’t right now is a powerful skater but that should come when he grows in to that lanky frame of his, which he still has not done. He has to work on his edges and his consistently – he often doesn’t have his legs but, when he does, he gets in on the forecheck very fast – deceptively fast – at least to my eye.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors take a 3-0 lead on another PP as Callahan bangs one in off the goalie – weak goal but he’ll take it. Marody with the primary assist for this 3rd point of the period.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dylan Well has been VERY good through half the game.

    22 stops and some very very solid stops in there.

  137. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Do the Oilers need a stud RD, or do they need a competent passing, gap closing RD?

    No swings for the fences needed. Add in a LW that can get a few goals and play a responsible game, and a proper back up and that will do for one season.

    Kassian is fitting nicely doing the correct job in the right way for the top line. JP given if healthy, given the chance, and coached up positively, is a reasonable 2 RW, if 15 goals or 40pts or so is the desire.

    I would stack the top line as is and let Connor and Leon be the best line in the league. Give Nuge an acquired LW, and JP, and easier minutes, like Horc used to carry Hall and Eberle.

    Make a third line that can handle D zone starts against tough comp, and have a fourth line that also gets easier minutes that has talent.

    3 scoring lines and a ‘coaches’ D zone line, more speed and offense. Nurse gets a partner that can pass and help defend in the neutral zone and at the blueline, he being the anchor. Whatever other pieces fall where they may.

    3 additions, one perhaps more costly at LW. Not a cup team but a playoff team, and I think realistic / doable.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gulls get one back late in the 2nd. Point shot on the PP hits something in front and deflects off the post and in.

  139. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    No Yamamoto again tonight – sigh!

    As statistically Yamamoto’s no more than a 12 to 1 shot to play any kind of effective NHL role, you’re better off not worrying about Yamamoto because then it’s 12 to 1 ON than you’re going to make yourself miserable.

    Sometimes it’s better to let under 23 year old players figure out how to play professional hockey away from constant scrutiny. With this in mind Katz could establish a Swedish League affiliate to throw the “problem” prospects like Yamamoto and JP; which still doesn’t guarantee anything because at the end of the day NHL talent has got to be naturally produced from inside the player himself.

    Add Yak to that scurvy list. And Gagner should go play in Sweden with the kids, because he’s as busted a player as I’ve seen.

    These “Katzenjammer Edmonton Oilerz” produce bust players like Sam Pollock’s Canadiens used to produce championship teams. It’s the reason the team fails. The trades Chiarelli made in desperation were just that, desperation attempts to save an already sinking ship.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    Thank you for your suggestion, however, I think I’m going to continue to keep tabs on the talented rookie pro in his draft plus 2 year.

  141. Wilde says:

    New Improved Darkness,

    You’re tortured.

    The deal with Brett Connolly is this-

    1) He’s a rehabilitated, 26-year-old top-ten pick who’s 6’3″ or whatever

    2) ‘Overshooting’ by design is just the best way to make your advocacy for this or that move. There’s a wide range of real-world historical examples of wildly different prices at different times so taking time trying to nail down a price has diminishing returns.

    It’s a better way to start a conversation about the player as opposed potentially undervaluing in the eyes of the respondent, and it’s pretty much one or the other.

    If you overprice your target, worst case scenario the conversation becomes more about “that player isn’t worth that and here’s why” – where you’re at least still talking about the player and their value than if you underprice and it becomes… some banter about the intelligence of hockey men or something. Which is fine, but.

    3) We should be past “he has point total X in current year”.

  142. Wilde says:

    hunter1909: Sometimes it’s better to let under 23 year old players figure out how to play professional hockey away from constant scrutiny.

    I was about to tell you that I don’t think Yamamoto knows OP is worried about his injury status, but then I remembered that Caleb Jones’s Mom like the tweet where I posted my article on him.

    This is a now a nuanced issue.

  143. hunter1909 says:

    Wilde: I was about to tell you that I don’t think Yamamoto knows OP is worried about his injury status, but then I remembered that Caleb Jones’s Mom like the tweet where I posted my article on him.

    This is a now a nuanced issue.

    One thing is certain: It’s not Lowetide fiends who make these players bust. If anyone seeks to understand where to lay the blame for the abject failure of the organization to develop players look no further than Katz the owner: His shady attempt to procure sexual services from a young actress exposes him as a nerdy guy desperate to be cool but even with a billion dollars you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

    I watched the Washington Capitals on Youtube today when they went to the White House and Ovechkin taking 13 years to win the cup was mentioned. Connor+Leon are generational/above average NHL stars who you would think a monkey could quickly turn into a winner. So there’s a chance.

  144. Glovjuice says:

    hunter1909: As statistically Yamamoto’s no more than a 12 to 1 shot to play any kind of effective NHL role, you’re better off not worrying about Yamamoto because then it’s 12 to 1 ON than you’re going to make yourself miserable.

    Sometimes it’s better to let under 23 year old players figure out how to play professional hockey away from constant scrutiny. With this in mind Katz could establish a Swedish League affiliate to throw the “problem” prospects like Yamamoto and JP; which still doesn’t guarantee anything because at the end of the day NHL talent has got to be naturally produced from inside the player himself.

    Add Yak to that scurvy list. And Gagner should go play in Sweden with the kids, because he’s as busted a player as I’ve seen.

    These “Katzenjammer Edmonton Oilerz” produce bust players like Sam Pollock’s Canadiens used to produce championship teams. It’s the reason the team fails. The trades Chiarelli made in desperation were just that, desperation attempts to save an already sinking ship.

    This is simply wonderful.

    And. OP, Am I right on the Oil trading Strome for Spooner being awful yet? A few of us here are so right so often. Who was the Looch for 7 Rnd. Pick person? Prescient being they are. Some people see things. Trust me, it’s hard because we see things so clearly that it makes everything seem weird and wrong all the time – like the Soilerd.

  145. Side says:

    Glovjuice,

    Weren’t you the one saying Drai is lazy?

    You didn’t see reality coming on that one, did you?

  146. SwedishPoster says:

    hunter1909: As statistically Yamamoto’s no more than a 12 to 1 shot to play any kind of effective NHL role, you’re better off not worrying about Yamamoto because then it’s 12 to 1 ON than you’re going to make yourself miserable.

    Sometimes it’s better to let under 23 year old players figure out how to play professional hockey away from constant scrutiny. With this in mind Katz could establish a Swedish League affiliate to throw the “problem” prospects like Yamamoto and JP; which still doesn’t guarantee anything because at the end of the day NHL talent has got to be naturally produced from inside the player himself.

    Add Yak to that scurvy list. And Gagner should go play in Sweden with the kids, because he’s as busted a player as I’ve seen.

    These “Katzenjammer Edmonton Oilerz” produce bust players like Sam Pollock’s Canadiens used to produce championship teams. It’s the reason the team fails. The trades Chiarelli made in desperation were just that, desperation attempts to save an already sinking ship.

    It’s not allowed to own a swedish club like that. At least 51% has to be owned by the members/fans of the club.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors win and clinch a playoff spot with 9 games to go.

    Dazzling performane by Dylan Wells who made 40 saves on 42 shot (and some quality quality chances).

  148. hunter1909 says:

    SwedishPoster: It’s not allowed to own a swedish club like that. At least 51% has to be owned by the members/fans of the club.

    No offence. Sweden seems to me like a faraway place that I know for a fact has got a 1st class hockey culture, would provide an incredible atmosphere for young prospects to live and work in, but without the AHL mentality of “develop in 2-3 seasons or gtfo”.

    That’s also a great thing; the 51% rule. The last thing Sweden needs is carpetbaggers buying everything up then treating their new “assets” like so many disposable items.

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yes, the Strome for Spooner trade was an awful trade and I never professed that it wasn’t. There were two points that I generally was making:

    1) I understood the premise of the trade – if was made in the name of scoring depth and Spooner had indeed had the better NHL production history.

    2) Given the trade was made, I felt (and still feel) that organization never did give Spooner a real chance to show he could be part of the top 6 or middle 6 on this team going forward. His usage precluded the ability to make the trade work for the Oilers.

  150. hunter1909 says:

    Interesting how Oilers consistently acquire basket case players instead of solid ones like Hendricks and Maroon who can always be had on the cheap.

    When they do have these same players, they can’t seem to be rid of them fast enough, then the lottery draw comes in April.

  151. Genjutsu says:

    hunter1909:
    Interesting how Oilers consistently acquire basket case players instead of solid ones like Hendricks and Maroon who can always be had on the cheap.

    When they do have these same players, they can’t seem to be rid of them fast enough, then the lottery draw comes in April.

    Except they traded for both players and kept them until their contracts expired. The reality is a complete 180 from your thesis.

    The Oilers do have a history of bringing rehabilitation players. Damaged goods if you will. Sather was famous for this these bargain bin types and sometimes the payoff is huge.

    Kassian looks to be the latest example of such a successful venture. It’s one my favorite things about this team.

  152. hunter1909 says:

    Genjutsu: Except they traded for both players and kept them until their contracts expired. The reality is a complete 180 from your thesis.

    The Oilers do have a history of bringing rehabilitation players. Damaged goods if you will. Sather was famous for this these bargain bin types and sometimes the payoff is huge.

    Kassian looks to be the latest example of such a successful venture. It’s one my favorite things about this team.

    Fair point with Kassian, but why let players like Handicks and Maroon walk, to replace them with weaklings like Strome and Spooner? You mention Sather, and fair enough also, but as Sather left Edmonton during the 20th century it’s kind of invalid – Lowe+MacT are the dim lights who collectively guide this appalling team.

  153. hunter1909 says:

    @Woodguy:

    What’s your take on Pat Verbeek as a potential GM?

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    Are we really criticizing management for not re-signing Matt Hendricks at the end of his last contract?

    Recall that Hendricks played about half the games – he would be effective for a game or two, hard on the forecheck and then need some time in the press box to rest and recover or he lost his skating legs completely. He’s played 22 games this year.

    Yes, we lost some leadership when he left but criticizing management for letting him go all while criticizing management for speaking about character is telling re: he fanbase.

    Maroon was an expiring contract UFA, playing terribly with a bad back in a non-playoff year that was going to be too costly to re-sign (notwithstanding the discount he gave the Blues). He was sold at the deadline in the normal course. He has 9 goals this year and has been healthy scratched.

    Maroon was traded for Marody.

  155. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Are we really criticizing management for not re-signing Matt Hendricks at the end of his last contract?

    I believe I said something more like “players LIKE” these players, than railing on about the merits of keeping either of them.

  156. Professor Q says:

    SwedishPoster: It’s not allowed to own a swedish club like that. At least 51% has to be owned by the members/fans of the club.

    Do they have loopholes like in Germany? Always drives me insane.

    “Oh, your club is in a town/city owned by or populated highly by a large pharmaceutical, automotive, software, or beverage company? Okay, companies can either found a brand new club and own the entire club (or maybe even two clubs!), or own 100% of their current club if they also have had stakes in said existing club for over 20 years. Either scenario allows them to spend as much as they want, if desired.”

    Screwing over the other clubs who have to adhere to the 51% rule, or the clubs whose 100% owners either don’t have the funds or desire to spend much to put their teams into contention.

    Anyway, I digress. If the SHL, or the other leagues and sports under the Swedish umbrella, have this loophole, could Katz then logically create a brand new team (maybe he wants a full club though to participate in the other sports too?), 100% owned by him (or the OEG), have the hockey club start at the lowest tier, and see if European prospects could play and develop well enough to make it all the way up to the SHL, further assisting in developing future prospects?

    Maybe that would be too complicated and it’d be easier to just purchase a KHL team.

  157. hunter1909 says:

    Professor Q: Maybe that would be too complicated and it’d be easier to just purchase a KHL team.

    Oilers are enough like Siberia already. No need to stick the knife in lol

  158. Glovjuice says:

    Side:
    Glovjuice,

    Weren’t you the one saying Drai is lazy?

    You didn’t see reality coming on that one, did you?

    I ve already responded to this a few times. It should be plain for all to see that his defensive effort has ramped up significantly in the months since hitch arrived. And, it has taken his game to the next level. So, actually I was totally right.

  159. lenko says:

    All this trade talk and bringing back players we traded and finally near the end of this thread I see the Condors won another and cliched playoff spot. There’s some pretty good hockey players ruminating there that would likely outperform many on the Oilers team.

  160. John Chambers says:

    “What are we going to tell Corey?”

    That he’s a whiny titty-baby.

  161. lenko says:

    lenko:
    All this trade talk and bringing back players we traded and finally near the end of this thread I see the Condors won another and cliched playoff spot. There’s some pretty good hockey players ruminating there that would likely outperform many on the Oilers team.

    And there you go – end of two, I rest my case and my eyes.

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