Game 80 2018-19: Oilers at Avalanche

by Lowetide

Connor McDavid: “It wasn’t good enough all year. We did our best to stay in the fight. It’s been an insane season. Coach/GM change. My frustration level is really really high. I’m not happy about it. We have a lot of crap to figure out” (via Gene Principe)

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: What’s going on with Connor McDavid’s with or without you numbers?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The four blows that set up the knockout of the Oilers from playoff contention.
  • New Jonathan Willis: The Oilers’ failures of 2018-19 will cost people their careers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Chipped teeth, playing DJ and lots of Game of Thrones: A week in the life of Darnell Nurse.
  • New Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto’s first pro season a cause for concern.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the giant talent pool that is the USHL.
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers can shop for a big bang on a small budget
  • Jonathan Willis: How the Oilers can turn their prospect depth into the blueline of a contender.
  • Lowetide: What Mark Hunter’s draft record in Toronto means for his Oilers GM candidacy.
  • Lowetide: Colby Cave and Joe Gambardella build late-season resumes with Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers made a rare move and shopped the QMJHL at the 2018 draft. It could happen again.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: After a year of despair, Oilers prospect Cameron Hebig grateful for latest chapter with the Condors
  • Jonathan Willis: Bob Nicholson’s misguided Tobias Rieder comments reveal deeper problems within Oilers management
  • Jonathan Willis: Ken Hitchcock knows why Edmonton has trouble exiting its zone, but lacks the players to fix it.
  • Lowetide: Trimming cap fat and adding speed and skill will shape Oilers’ offseason.
  • Jonathan Willis: Former Canucks architects Mike Gillis and Laurence Gilman should be considered for any vacant NHL GM job
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers draft early, the WHL is loaded and there’s a lot of history.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.

OILERS AFTER 80

  • Oilers in 2015: 30-43-7, 67 points; goal differential -42
  • Oilers in 2016: 45-26-9, 99 points; goal differential +32
  • Oilers in 2017: 34-40-6, 74 points; goal differential -39
  • Oilers in 2018: 34-36-9, 77 points; goal differential -28

OILERS IN APRIL

  • Oilers in April 2016: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in April 2017: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in April 2018: 1-1-0, zero points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in April 2019: 0-1-0, zero points; goal differential -2

WHAT TO EXPECT IN APRIL

  • On the road to: Vegas, Colorado (Expected 0-2-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected: 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 1-2-1, three points in 4 games
  • Current results: 0-1-0, zero points in 1 game

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Russell went 15-13 in 18:10, 8-7 shots, 1-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC. In a fairly scattered 60 minutes, this was the best Oilers pairing by some margin.
  • Klefbom-Larsson were 12-18 in 17:40, 3-8 shots, 0-1 goals and 3-6 HDSC. Oscar, who I believe is a helluva player, was not making good decisions all night long.
  • Sekera-Benning went 10-24 in 12:40, 5-11 shots, no goals and 1-5 HDSC. This pairing looked undersized against the big, fast Golden Knights wingers. I generally like this duo, they looked exposed on the night.
  • Mikko Koskinen stopped 28 of 30, .933. He didn’t look good on either goal, but made some great stops throughout. His SP is .907 on the year.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian were 16-16 in 16:58, 10-9 shots, 1-2 goals and 3-3 HDSC.
  • Lucic-Cave-Gagner were 10-13 in 11:13, 4-6 shots, no goals and 3-2 HDSC. This trio has been the second best line lately. Not good!
  • Rattie-Nuge-Chiasson were 6-7 in 7:27, 1-4 shots an 0-1 HDSC. Rattie moved up when the original Nuge line got caved.
  • Gambardella-Malone-Currie were 0-3 in 2:31, no goals no shots and no HDSC.
  • Gambardella-Nuge-Chiasson went 0-5 in 2:22, 0-2 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC.

ABOUT MCDAVID

The frustration came out in measured words last night, showing me the captain is both mature beyond his years and (rightfully) pissed off at missing the playoffs for the third time in his four seasons.

I wish someone could tell him that it doesn’t have to be this way. Someone who could ease his mind and say the problems of this team are solvable. Examples might be “if they stop playing the hell out of the goalie he won’t look like hell so often” and “old man Lowetide has never seen such shallow depth on the wings” but the bottom line is it doesn’t have to be this way. Analytics means way more than possession, the Oilers are burning daylight.

Lots of good quotes in this article by Rob Tychkowski of PostMedia, well worth the read.

ABOUT OILERS FANS

I wrote, tweeted and then deleted a tweet last night. It went “Jordan Eberle is approaching 20 goals, but then again so is Ryan Strome” and when I wrote it the thought was ‘holy, Eberle is closing well.’

I had a dm this morning asking why I deleted it. The reason? Reaction. I received many replies that showed absolute pain in reading it, frustration in the facts of the matter, a sense of piling on. So that’s why. I don’t take any pleasure in watching Oilers fans suffer another losing season and certainly don’t want to be part of inflicting more. So I deleted it, for better or worse.

SKILL VERSUS CULTURE

The 2018-19 Oilers join the 1989-90 Penguins and the 1987-88 Nordiques as the only non-playoff teams in NHL history with multiple 100+ point scorers in a season. (tsn)

Mario Lemieux and Paul Coffey were the Penguins, Peter Stastny and Michel Goulet the Nordiques.

The problem is right there in black and white. If we can agree that No. 1 line forwards should be scoring at 2.00+ per 60 5-on-5, that No. 2 line forwards should be 1.75-1.99+ per 60 5-on-5, and that bottom six forwards should be approaching 1.50 per 60 (if productive), we can easily spot the Oilers issues.

  1. Connor McDavid 2.87
  2. Leon Draisaitl 2.59
  3. Josh Currie 1.81
  4. Sam Gagner 1.74
  5. Joe Gambardella 1.68
  6. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.66
  7. Zack Kassian 1.38
  8. Jujhar Khaira 1.38
  9. Ty Rattie 1.25
  10. Alex Chiasson 1.24
  11. Milan Lucic 0.93
  12. Tobias Rieder 0.80
  13. Jesse Puljujarvi 0.80
  14. Kyle Brodziak 0.70
  15. Colby Cave 0.59
  16. Brad Malone 0.00

So, going back to our original list, we have two first-line players, one second-line player (who hasn’t played much and will probably slide), and three more above 1.50 per 60. Let’s compare that to the Calgary Flames (all numbers NTS):

  • Top Line (2.00 or better): Johnny Gaudreau, Sean Monahan, Matt Tkachuk, Elias Lindholm, Mikael Backlund, Michael Frolik. That’s six!
  • Second line (1.75 to 1.99): Derek Ryan and Andrew Mangiapane.
  • 1.50 per 60 or better: Garnet Hathaway, Mark Jankowski, Sam Bennett, Austin Czarnik.

Wow. Lotta culture in Calgary!

BOTTOM LINE

This can be fixed but the owner has to get out of his own way. The story about Mike Gillis (Elliotte Friedman has Bob Nicholson wanting to interview him but getting pushback) is a real life reflection of what is wrong with this organization.

Until the Oilers stop blaming the players, and start looking at how to build properly around them, this will continue. Edmonton’s roster is as it has been since 2010 fall: Brilliant young players expected to lead, overpaid veterans who can’t cover their bets, and far too few actual NHL players.

The man who can walk through the doors and deliver actual NHL players to surround McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse and others will win Stanley.

As for McDavid’s frustration, understandable. The real issue for the Oilers? If McDavid ever asks out (and that’s a distant bell) I suspect the fan base will go with him. That’s enough to tighten the sphincter of everyone involved.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we drill down on the Oilers and spend a little time in the Rockies. TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. We’ll chat about last night’s game, Mikko Koskinen and Jon’s article about the new Robert Nilsson’s.
  • Cam Lewis, The Jays Nation. Toronto’s pitching has been excellent the first time through the rotation, we’ll chat about the Jays 2-3 start.
  • Marc Moser, Avalanche play by play. The Avalanche are in and the future looks bright.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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OriginalPouzar

LOL – sounds good (and you are wrong on the measures – there are various measures where Koskinen is worse than Talbot, and various the other way as well).

Kinger_Oil.redux

OriginalPouzar:
Talbot was not worse than Koskinen – Talbot was not letting in multiple soft goals every game.

– Thanks for this: I won’t engage you any further on Koski: there is not basis for arguing that Talbot > Koski.

– No measures support this: SV%, % of bad starts, expected sv%, goalie point share, number of really bad starts: and on and on, without quantifiying the first shot let ins…

– But it’s good to know your take. Waste of both our energies on this matter…

OriginalPouzar

godot10: Yet the OIlers are above faux .500 with Koskinen in net, much of it without Klefbom.

Almost all of that was his heater at the beginning of the year – yup, those games count and those stats count but, since then, awful, consistently awful but for 8 games post trade deadline.

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer: Not too mention how many Spooner defense posts when it was clear Spooner was garbage

No, i didn’t defend Spooner himself, I was calling for him to get an actual opportunity in the role he’s had success in during his career (and in a position where the team had a huge hole).

I was critical of coaching deployment – I couldn’t defend the player, he never got an opportunity to show he should be defended (after the first 5 games).

OriginalPouzar

Talbot was not worse than Koskinen – Talbot was not letting in multiple soft goals every game.

russ99

godot10,

Our D trying to stop entry at the blue line would be fine if the forwards rotated in to cover when the opposition gains the zone, but they don’t.

It’s a survival instinct, not a system.

godot10

PinkSocks: Every time Talbot let in 1 on the first shot we are all burying our heads in our hands.Koskinen is on a whole new level of suck.

Not to speak for OP, but quite a bit of the flak #19 (stupid number also) takes is directed at PC’s dumbassery with the contract negotiations with the player.It isn’t Koskinen’s fault he lets in multiple bad goals per game, he just isn’t a very good tender; and it also isn’t his fault he has a fat contract for the next 3 seasons that further cripples the cap structure.He makes a few excellent saves per game, but so does every other #1 goaltender in the league.

He let’s in bad goals, plain and simple, and it isn’t good enough.4/6 goals last night should have been stopped, and 2 of those goals were egregious goals against.If he can’t be moved, new GM has to find a capable ~$2.5m backup to split 40/40 or 50/30 with Koskinen.

Yet the OIlers are above faux .500 with Koskinen in net, much of it without Klefbom.

russ99

Old Timer:
Hockey experts continually state that good defense generates good offence. Therein lies a major problem for the Oilers. Their D corps is very weak.
Russell is terrible by every measure known to man. He can’t defend, he can’t pass and has the hockey IQ of a peanut.
Nurse is challenged in the hockey IQ department, he is a poor passer and constantly wastes shots on net from the blue line when no Oiler is within 10 feet of the net or causing any disturbance to the opposing goalies sight lines.
Benning is a disaster running somewhere to happen. He is a mediocre skater, a poor passer, is regularly out muscled in the D zone and has trouble anticipating.
Larsson is a mediocre skater, a poor passer, he is physical, has a low hockey IQ and his shot is mediocre.
Sekera is a decent D man but lacks the physical tools to be strong on the puck.
Klefbom can skate, can pass, can match the physical strength of most opponents but frequently shoots wide open shots to the opposing goalie. This is, due to our weak face off acumen, effectively just a turnover.
In summary, we have one of the worst D Corps in the entire NHL and have had for years. Nobody in management seems able to comprehend that if you are solid on the back end everything will be easier in the O zone.
Just imagine if McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH and others actually received tape to tape passes as they were leaving their D zone. Their scoring numbers would improve noticeably.

Why do the Oilers ignore defense?

When you’re talking about defensemen and discussing skating and passing, you lose me. Goals against don’t happen when we have the puck, and we’re back down to 27th in the league in goals allowed this year.

Three primary roles of defensemen are coverage, wall defense (break up cycles) and crease clearing. Most of our guys are good at all three:

Larsson, Sekera, Russell.

The only low point of Russell’s defensive game is crease clearing, the game is there but he tends to overreact. The constant falling to the ice is bad too, he’d be a much better defender without doing that. He really should limit that for desperation like when we’re beat on an odd man rush. Two defenders on their feet are much more effective than one.

Nurse is good at wall defense and decent at crease clearing, needs to get much better at coverage

Klefbom has gotten a lot better at coverage and is poor at crease clearing and gets muscled out on wall defense.

Benning is good at wall coverage and a tire fire at the other two. If I were the coach, I’d try him at forward. Jones is as good if not better at the defensive disciplines than Benning, and he’s still learning in the AHL.

Defense is a team game, and our lack of NHL level forwards affects our defense just as much as our offense. The amount of blown coverage pre-Hitchcock was astronomical, and now is just plain bad.

Almost all our goals against with odd-man mismatches vs. the cycle due to chasing are because of poor forward support.

Our issues behind the red line with the puck are much discussed and we don’t need to go into much further, but one caveat: it takes two players to make a successful pass.

PinkSocks

Glovjuice: Spooner trade was called on day one as awful by Glovjuice. Now everyone says it sucks. A few of us prescient posters are right so often. Lucic for 7thwas right. Hall for Larson right. Reinhard right. Chia awful right. So many.

How incredibly arrogant oh prescient one. The funny thing about these so-called prescient posters is that they constantly bitch about every decision. When it turns out their bitching was correct they claim to be a genius; but if it isn’t correct, no one remembers to call them on it. How convenient for the omniscient posters who so graciously benefit the rest of LT-land with their presence.

PinkSocks

leadfarmer: Not too mention how many Spooner defense posts when it was clear Spooner was garbage

Spooner was complete trash. But that doesn’t change the fact that he was not given an opportunity to play any significant minutes with a C wearing 97 or 29. In a year with the weakest wingers I have ever seen, you would think someone behind the bench would have at least given it some time to see if he could produce when not playing with one of the AHL dregs in the bottom 6.

PinkSocks

Kinger_Oil.redux:
OriginalPouzar,

-Koski is your hobby horse.I think you are assigning far too much blame on the goalie who ultimately lets the goals in.Why weren’t you as critical of Talbot (who was far worse than Koski last two seasons), Not once did you post multiple posts per games when Talbot played worse…Your relentless

Every time Talbot let in 1 on the first shot we are all burying our heads in our hands. Koskinen is on a whole new level of suck.

Not to speak for OP, but quite a bit of the flak #19 (stupid number also) takes is directed at PC’s dumbassery with the contract negotiations with the player. It isn’t Koskinen’s fault he lets in multiple bad goals per game, he just isn’t a very good tender; and it also isn’t his fault he has a fat contract for the next 3 seasons that further cripples the cap structure. He makes a few excellent saves per game, but so does every other #1 goaltender in the league.

He let’s in bad goals, plain and simple, and it isn’t good enough. 4/6 goals last night should have been stopped, and 2 of those goals were egregious goals against. If he can’t be moved, new GM has to find a capable ~$2.5m backup to split 40/40 or 50/30 with Koskinen.

Ryan

OriginalPouzar: Gagner is at 1.87 P/60 as an Oiler

Spooner was at 0.82 P/60 as an Oiler

Stome was at 0.31 P/60 as an Oiler (he’s at 1.38 as a Ranger)

I don’t have time to look it up.

To my recollection, Strome played most of his minutes with Looch who was red hot himself during that stretch.

wintoon

Hockey experts continually state that good defense generates good offence. Therein lies a major problem for the Oilers. Their D corps is very weak.
Russell is terrible by every measure known to man. He can’t defend, he can’t pass and has the hockey IQ of a peanut.
Nurse is challenged in the hockey IQ department, he is a poor passer and constantly wastes shots on net from the blue line when no Oiler is within 10 feet of the net or causing any disturbance to the opposing goalies sight lines.
Benning is a disaster running somewhere to happen. He is a mediocre skater, a poor passer, is regularly out muscled in the D zone and has trouble anticipating.
Larsson is a mediocre skater, a poor passer, he is physical, has a low hockey IQ and his shot is mediocre.
Sekera is a decent D man but lacks the physical tools to be strong on the puck.
Klefbom can skate, can pass, can match the physical strength of most opponents but frequently shoots wide open shots to the opposing goalie. This is, due to our weak face off acumen, effectively just a turnover.
In summary, we have one of the worst D Corps in the entire NHL and have had for years. Nobody in management seems able to comprehend that if you are solid on the back end everything will be easier in the O zone.
Just imagine if McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH and others actually received tape to tape passes as they were leaving their D zone. Their scoring numbers would improve noticeably.

Why do the Oilers ignore defense?

leadfarmer

Kinger_Oil.redux:
OriginalPouzar,

-Koski is your hobby horse.I think you are assigning far too much blame on the goalie who ultimately lets the goals in.Why weren’t you as critical of Talbot (who was far worse than Koski last two seasons), Not once did you post multiple posts per games when Talbot played worse…Your relentless

Not too mention how many Spooner defense posts when it was clear Spooner was garbage

Kinger_Oil.redux

OriginalPouzar,

-Koski is your hobby horse. I think you are assigning far too much blame on the goalie who ultimately lets the goals in. Why weren’t you as critical of Talbot (who was far worse than Koski last two seasons), Not once did you post multiple posts per games when Talbot played worse…Your relentless

OriginalPouzar

You are citing one particular recent game to show that he hasn’t been consistently poor? I don’t think one particualr game where he only let on one bad goal is evidence that, over the course of his season, he has been poor. Of course there is the odd OK and even good game, however, his quality start percentage is well below 50% and he is essentially poor most nights.

Yup, the team’s offence is also poor on many nights but that doesn’t mitigage the goalie’s performance.

Poor team defence, giving up an egregious amount of chances, could mitigate and, yes, sometimes that happens, however, stats show its not generally the case and, further, he has been generally poor, giving up bad goals (at bad times) even without a leaky team defence in front of him, even without a poor offensive showing in front of him.

Professor Q

So, hopefully the offseason goes better.

I feel sad that Draisaitl and McDavid have checked out. I know the 50 goals and Art Ross don’t meant much to them when they miss the playoffs but I guess I was naïve enough to hold out hope.

€√¥£€^$

OriginalPouzar: The goalie wasn’t good in the first game either.

I agree – it seems very odd to play Koskinen last night and its very likely that the amout of work he’s received recently is contributing to his performance.At the same time, he performance has been consistently poor (except for two stretches) no matters his workload, no matter the health of the team (i.e. Klefbom in or out), no matter the team performance.

He let in one bad goal vs Vegas, and stopped 93% of the shots that came at him vs a strong team. Statistically you know that this is above average goaltending. The Oilers scored 1 goal and only generated 5 shots in each of the 2nd & 3rd periods vs a weak goalie.

In the last 9 games this team has only had 10 PP opportunities, scored 3 times, while the opposition has gone 8 for 22. The Oilers and have been outshot 291 to 240 and out-scored 26 to 34. Take out the LA game and they’ve been out-scored 18 to 30 in 8 games,

That loss wasn’t all on Koskinen and same goes with this team’s record.

OriginalPouzar

Maoriduvpoojt: The problem is the coach, not the player playing back to back AGAIN.Statistically it is the opposite of a savvy move and recent result confirm that MK is terrible in the 2nd game.Goes to show you how even the most successful coaches are blind to the obvious.I do not want a vet NHL coach running this team next year, they need an innovator.

The goalie wasn’t good in the first game either.

I agree – it seems very odd to play Koskinen last night and its very likely that the amout of work he’s received recently is contributing to his performance. At the same time, he performance has been consistently poor (except for two stretches) no matters his workload, no matter the health of the team (i.e. Klefbom in or out), no matter the team performance.

OriginalPouzar

Johnny skid: do you think any goaltender would be having a good season playing behind this group of players?I’m not sure if you visit here daily but i would say the comment and volume of negative comments this goaltenderis gettingis nearing the crazy level that yak used to get.

Do you think any team would be able to have real success playing in front of such consistenly weak goaltending?

Stats show that Koskinen is NOT facing more high danger shots than most – there are many many goalie with MUCH better numbers than him this year that are facing more high danger chances per 60 than Koskinen.

The defensive group and team defence is not great, clearly, and clearly he would be better behind a better defensive structure, however Koskinen has also proven to be part of the problem – he is consistently letting in weak/soft/terrible/bad goals on non-chances – almost every game and very often multiple times per game.

That second goal last night, shortly after the Avs have cut the lead to 1, simply cannot go it – it was a non-chance on a 1 on 3 and it was just not acceptable and its something that is happening nightly.

OriginalPouzar

HT Joe: Eberle sitting at 37 points on the season.
Strome up to 33 points on the season.
Spooner sitting at 8 points on the season.
Gagner at 12 points on the season.

Strome for Spooner… how could Chia make so many bad moves this season?!!

Gagner is at 1.87 P/60 as an Oiler

Spooner was at 0.82 P/60 as an Oiler

Stome was at 0.31 P/60 as an Oiler (he’s at 1.38 as a Ranger)

stevezie

Cassandra:
This team makes poor decisions because they believe things that aren’t true and that lead to bad decisions.For instance:

They think there is such a thing as roles in hockey which causes them to fill those roles at the expense of talent.A Hockey team is not a recipe.

They believe there is such a thing as a core.This causes them to systematically overvalue members of the core while systematically undervaluing those who are not part of the core.Core players do not provide more value simply because they are core.It is an artificial construct which impedes decision making.

They think there is something mystical about the NHL and hence undervalue players who are “proven” while undervaluing those that are not.Except for first round draft picks who are gifted proven status by virtue of their draft status.

etc.

Yep.

Especially that last point

€√¥£€^$

Reja: Kassian was almost run out town he’s playing good some really surprising stick handling moves on that one rush. Hope our next coach turns him and few other players loose and get some emotion back on this team it can’t just be Connor and Leon carrying this team Hockey isn’t like basketball.

He was crap in pre-season and early in the year. Looked at times like a borderline ECHLer…

€√¥£€^$

Dustylegnd:
Kleff caught in no mans land McDavid can’t quite cover…engage Plug tender with 3 years at 4.5 mill and a NO MOVE CLAUSE

Like an STD Chia is the gift that keep giving!!!

The problem is the coach, not the player playing back to back AGAIN. Statistically it is the opposite of a savvy move and recent result confirm that MK is terrible in the 2nd game. Goes to show you how even the most successful coaches are blind to the obvious. I do not want a vet NHL coach running this team next year, they need an innovator.

Reja

HT Joe: Since non-player expenses don’t count towards the cap, the new GM should move heaven and earth to get Koskinen the best medical attention, training regimens, and goaltender coaching.Unlikely to make huge improvements, but maybe enough to get his stats into the top 30 goaltenders of the league.

Maybe I was unfair when I interpreted your message, but I just thought of Chia trying to fix the defense by bringing in 6 and 7 D again and again (while adding to the cap).If they’re going to bring in a different goaltender, get an actual starter.

*EDIT* CapFriendly shows the following buyout cap hit, if the Oilers buy him out this offseason, to make room for a different goaltender…
2019-2020 – $744,444
2020-2021 – $2,644,444
Subsequent 4 Seasons – $1,444,444

Cap Savings of $3.8M next year… pop in another bit of money and a substantially better goaltender may be available…

I would have to say no one has ever been bought out before their contract has even started.

oilinthepeg

The Edmonton Oilers are a team in the AHL.

hunter1909:
Oilers need to go down to the AHL; with the best players all demanding to get sold to NHL teams for next season.

When you think about it, it really does makes sense.

Reja

HT Joe: Since non-player expenses don’t count towards the cap, the new GM should move heaven and earth to get Koskinen the best medical attention, training regimens, and goaltender coaching.Unlikely to make huge improvements, but maybe enough to get his stats into the top 30 goaltenders of the league.

Maybe I was unfair when I interpreted your message, but I just thought of Chia trying to fix the defense by bringing in 6 and 7 D again and again (while adding to the cap).If they’re going to bring in a different goaltender, get an actual starter.

He just needs a breather and a reset this summer Goaltending is 50 percent confidence. If he and the team get off to a good start next year I think he will have at least league average save pct.Some people are being hard on him and he’s taking way to much heat for a team playing out the string. Our winger group is historically bad and when’s the last time one of our defenseman layed out someone got in a fight face washed someone. We are not a playoff team with this group.

hunter1909

Admiral Ackbar: If they get sent down, does it go like soccer where the top AHL team comes up? Would that mean the Condors would replace the Oil next season?

That sounds about right.

JimmyV1965

Glovjuice: Spooner trade was called on day one as awful by Glovjuice. Now everyone says it sucks. A few of us prescient posters are right so often. Lucic for 7thwas right. Hall for Larson right. Reinhard right. Chia awful right. So many.

Hmm. I would say the majority of posters opposed all these deals. A large majority.

Gerta Rauss

HT Joe: Cap Savings of $3.8M next year… pop in another bit of money and a substantially better goaltender may be available…

That’s interesting

It’s nutty that we’re even discussing it, but it’s interesting

HT Joe

Reja: What are your options throw fairy dust in the air and make Tretiak appear on a million dollar contract.

Since non-player expenses don’t count towards the cap, the new GM should move heaven and earth to get Koskinen the best medical attention, training regimens, and goaltender coaching. Unlikely to make huge improvements, but maybe enough to get his stats into the top 30 goaltenders of the league.

Maybe I was unfair when I interpreted your message, but I just thought of Chia trying to fix the defense by bringing in 6 and 7 D again and again (while adding to the cap). If they’re going to bring in a different goaltender, get an actual starter.

*EDIT* CapFriendly shows the following buyout cap hit, if the Oilers buy him out this offseason, to make room for a different goaltender…
2019-2020 – $744,444
2020-2021 – $2,644,444
Subsequent 4 Seasons – $1,444,444

Cap Savings of $3.8M next year… pop in another bit of money and a substantially better goaltender may be available…

Reja

HT Joe:
Yeah, I’m with Glovjuice on this one… I don’t think the Oilers need to thrust another backup goalie into a starter role…

What are your options throw fairy dust in the air and make Tretiak appear on a million dollar contract.

Johnny skid

Reja: Give it time they will come.

my thoughts exactly,its still early.

HT Joe

Johnny skid: i never did claim that there were any personal attacks,or any that i are aware of only the volume of criticism of one player on a team of many poor nhl level players. I’m also curious of your opinion if you think any goaltender would be having a successful season playing behind this team?

Sorry… not trying to misrepresent. There are lots of comments about Koskinen, but none of them seem really offside.

But as to the goalie performance behind the Oilers? That’s really tough. Where I would start to answer the question would be that I don’t believe Koskinen would be substantially better on a different team. And Cam Talbot still looks like Cam Talbot behind a different team.

With that as a wavy line of reasoning, I do believe a better goalie would perform better behind the Oilers (but not as well as full potential). Sorry I don’t have a better answer, but that’s my belief.

Reja

HT Joe: I would argue the nature of the comments seem different.

I currently am seeing a lot of comments about Koskinen letting in bad goals, Koskinen failing to stop easy shots, and Koskinen having difficulties with the high shots in particular.Those seem like comments from people being critical of his play.

The Yakupov comments were a different thing altogether.Comments about “bees”, with the implication that he’s “not all there”.Comments about him being weird and not fitting into the culture of the dressing room.Comments like those seemed very personal and mean spirited.

If a goalie lets in 22 goals over a 6 game stretch, that’s going to get a lot of negative attention.Are there any personal attacks in this thread I’m missing?

Give it time they will come.

DevilsLettuce

Glovjuice: Spooner trade was called on day one as awful by Glovjuice. Now everyone says it sucks. A few of us prescient posters are right so often. Lucic for 7thwas right. Hall for Larson right. Reinhard right. Chia awful right. So many.

Go home donkey you’re drunk

HT Joe

Glovjuice: Spooner trade was called on day one as awful by Glovjuice. Now everyone says it sucks.

I don’t know why this comment irks me, but it really does.
So I did some digging… https://lowetide.ca/2018/11/16/smoke-when-i-drink/#comments

This is the thread in which the Strome/Spooner trade broke.
Glovjuice commented in that thread… but no comments referencing the trade. Huh…

Reja

Glovjuice: Spooner trade was called on day one as awful by Glovjuice. Now everyone says it sucks. A few of us prescient posters are right so often. Lucic for 7thwas right. Hall for Larson right. Reinhard right. Chia awful right. So many.

Leon is lazy and lethargic and doesn’t smile to your liking when he scores. You nailed that one as well.

McSorley33

Nicholson was asked -explicity- how a GM at the end of a gangplank could possibly be allowed
to sign Koskinen’s extension. (48 hours between signing and PC’s firing)

Nicholson answered very clearly – it was a “group” decision.

Similar rumours about the acquisitions of Manning and Petrovic having
other people’s support as well.

The call is STILL coming from INSIDE the house.

Johnny skid

HT Joe: I would argue the nature of the comments seem different.

I currently am seeing a lot of comments about Koskinen letting in bad goals, Koskinen failing to stop easy shots, and Koskinen having difficulties with the high shots in particular.Those seem like comments from people being critical of his play.

The Yakupov comments were a different thing altogether.Comments about “bees”, with the implication that he’s “not all there”.Comments about him being weird and not fitting into the culture of the dressing room.Comments like those seemed very personal and mean spirited.

If a goalie lets in 22 goals over a 6 game stretch, that’s going to get a lot of negative attention.Are there any personal attacks in this thread I’m missing?

i never did claim that there were any personal attacks,or any that i are aware of only the volume of criticism of one player on a team of many poor nhl level players. I’m also curious of your opinion if you think any goaltender would be having a successful season playing behind this team?

Glovjuice

HT Joe: Eberle sitting at 37 points on the season.
Strome up to 33 points on the season.
Spooner sitting at 8 points on the season.
Gagner at 12 points on the season.

Strome for Spooner… how could Chia make so many bad moves this season?!!

Spooner trade was called on day one as awful by Glovjuice. Now everyone says it sucks. A few of us prescient posters are right so often. Lucic for 7thwas right. Hall for Larson right. Reinhard right. Chia awful right. So many.

HT Joe

Johnny skid: do you think any goaltender would be having a good season playing behind this group of players?I’m not sure if you visit here daily but i would say the comment and volume of negative comments this goaltenderis gettingis nearing the crazy level that yak used to get.

I would argue the nature of the comments seem different.

I currently am seeing a lot of comments about Koskinen letting in bad goals, Koskinen failing to stop easy shots, and Koskinen having difficulties with the high shots in particular. Those seem like comments from people being critical of his play.

The Yakupov comments were a different thing altogether. Comments about “bees”, with the implication that he’s “not all there”. Comments about him being weird and not fitting into the culture of the dressing room. Comments like those seemed very personal and mean spirited.

If a goalie lets in 22 goals over a 6 game stretch, that’s going to get a lot of negative attention. Are there any personal attacks in this thread I’m missing?

Bulging Twine

The best they can do is 5th
the worst they can do is 10th

Johnny skid

HT Joe: Unfortunately he’s a goaltender so if he has a bad game, it really stands out.After tonight’s game, I believe he’s dropped to 41st best GAA in the league (using only players who have played 21 or more games). Yowza.

Some of the “Oh shit, Koskinen” comments are kind of justified.

(I strongly believe that belligerence towards players in real life should never be accepted, and that booing any member of the team at live events is horseshit as well)

*EDIT* Isn’t the general rule “Complain about the player’s play, but not the player’s personal life / personality”?Having several posters note that Koskinen had a tough game (without any character assassination or personal attacks) seems fair game, no?

do you think any goaltender would be having a good season playing behind this group of players? I’m not sure if you visit here daily but i would say the comment and volume of negative comments this goaltender is getting is nearing the crazy level that yak used to get.

HT Joe

Jaxon:
Wow, just noticed Strome has 20pts in his last 25 games.

Eberle sitting at 37 points on the season.
Strome up to 33 points on the season.
Spooner sitting at 8 points on the season.
Gagner at 12 points on the season.

Strome for Spooner… how could Chia make so many bad moves this season?!!

OriginalPouzar

Reja: The contract is signed get a somewhat proven backup for 2.5 mil and run it 50-30 either way if necessary.

They have no choice but to spend that type of money on another tender which is a shame.

HT Joe

Reja: The contract is signed get a somewhat proven backup for 2.5 mil and run it 50-30 either way if necessary.

Glovjuice: Stop.

Yeah, I’m with Glovjuice on this one… I don’t think the Oilers need to thrust another backup goalie into a starter role…

Jaxon

Wow, just noticed Strome has 20pts in his last 25 games.

Glovjuice

Reja: The contract is signed get a somewhat proven backup for 2.5 mil and run it 50-30 either way if necessary.

Stop.

hunter1909

HT Joe: (I strongly believe that belligerence towards players in real life should never be accepted, and that booing any member of the team at live events is horseshit as well)

Occasional belligerence from fans is a fact of life that goes with the territory of being famous. It’s not even a matter of whether or not is is acceptable, because it’s simply a fact of life.

Paying customers shouting abuse at professional entertainers goes back centuries – if these snowflakes can’t take it then that’s no concern of anyone’s aside from their immediate family and friends and business associates.

Look no further than Shakespeare, because back in his day the audience was half drunk and ready to throw rotten fruit at the actors.