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by Lowetide

It goes by so damned quickly. One day you’re trying to figure out how to pronounce Dragan Umicevic and the next minute you’re wondering if Jesse Puljujarvi has played his last game as an Oiler. Get ready for a summer of sale on sail on.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers have another problem to solve: Lifting the cloud over a clearly frustrated Connor McDavid
  • New Lowetide: What’s going on with Connor McDavid’s with or without you numbers?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The four blows that set up the knockout of the Oilers from playoff contention.
  • New Jonathan Willis: The Oilers’ failures of 2018-19 will cost people their careers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Chipped teeth, playing DJ and lots of Game of Thrones: A week in the life of Darnell Nurse.
  • New Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto’s first pro season a cause for concern.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the giant talent pool that is the USHL.
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers can shop for a big bang on a small budget
  • Jonathan Willis: How the Oilers can turn their prospect depth into the blueline of a contender.
  • Lowetide: What Mark Hunter’s draft record in Toronto means for his Oilers GM candidacy.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers made a rare move and shopped the QMJHL at the 2018 draft. It could happen again.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers draft early, the WHL is loaded and there’s a lot of history.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.

OILERS AFTER 80

  • Oilers in 2015: 30-43-7, 67 points; goal differential -42
  • Oilers in 2016: 45-26-9, 99 points; goal differential +32
  • Oilers in 2017: 34-40-6, 74 points; goal differential -39
  • Oilers in 2018: 34-37-9, 77 points; goal differential -32

OILERS IN APRIL

  • Oilers in April 2016: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in April 2017: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in April 2018: 1-1-0, zero points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers inApril2019: 0-2-0, zero points; goal differential -6

WHAT TO EXPECT IN APRIL

  • On the road to: Vegas, Colorado (Expected 0-2-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected: 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 1-2-1, three points in 4 games
  • Current results: 0-2-0, zero points in 2 games

LAST NIGHT

MOCK DRAFT!

If the season ended today, Edmonton would choose No. 8. For the early picks, I’ll use Craig Button’s list as the bible and my list as a guideline.

  • No. 8 overall—RC Kirby Dach, Saskatoon Blades (WHL). Dach falling to No. 8 seems unlikely, but Button has him No. 15. Dach would be a perfect fit for the current Oilers. He’s big, fast, skilled, RHC, has impressive reach. He would need some time to mature, he would need to establish he can stay healthy, and I bet every team that talks about him wants him to shoot more.
  • No. 39 overall—R Maxim Cajkovic, Saint John (QMJHL). Explosive speed and highly skilled, his rankings are all over the map. Nolan Foote is also available in this range, but I like the speedster, he can play either wing.
  • No. 88 overall— F Samuel Fagemo, Frolunda (SHL). I am going to keep listing him until someone drafts him. Great shot, quick release.
  • No. 101 overall —R Dmitri Sheshin, Magnitogorsk (MHL). Pure goal scorer, about the size of Yvan Cournoyer when he was 17.
  • No. 163 overall— L Nando Eggenberger, Oshawa Generals (OHL). Two-way talent, enjoying a solid year in the OHL (he was eligible last season).
  • No. 194 overall—L Brooklyn Kalmikov, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles (QMJHL). Good skater, some skill, good hands and he’s quick. May 2001

JESSE PULJUJARVI

I’ve been thinking about JP lately, he was in town not long ago and it reminded me of just how many things went sideways in 2018-19. Even in a season when a franchise misses the playoffs, progress can be made.

Jesse Puljujarvi’s season was not successful. I blame the Edmonton Oilers. Why? In all three seasons of JP’s career with the team, he has spent time in both Edmonton and Bakersfield. In total, Puljujarvi went 53, 15-22-37. In the NHL, he played 139 games, 17-20-37. His 5-on-5 per 60 over the three seasons? 1.14 per 60. His 5-on-5 per 60 with Connor McDavid? 2.06, as per NTS.

You know, I’ve watched these kids come from the cities and the farms over many decades, and am always struck by the blind faith placed in hockey men during such an important development time. One thing I hope? If you have a son who is eligible to be drafted by an NHL team, know your options and find good representation. Let this be the Oilers last Puljujarvi. I am sick to death of this.

SAIL ON, TYLER DELLOW

Dammit all, anyway. This is beyond maddening.

CONNOR MCDAVID

Oilers fans should be thrilled with Connor McDavid’s recent comments and public frustration. If the captain can take Katz from “Holland and Keith Gretzky” to “Mr. Yzerman, come out to the coast, we’ll get together, have a few laughs!” then he will have done all breathing Oilers fans an enormous favor. We wait.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we celebrate a beautiful day and have some very cool guests. TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. Bruce has done the ‘next morning’ summary many times on the Lowdown, not sure how much he’ll have to say about last night. Never worry, we’ll chat all things Oiler.
  • Jonny Campbell, OddsShark.com. Final Four basketball, MLB early trends.
  • Marshall Ferguson, TSN1150 Hamilton. The Alliance crashes, what does it mean to the CFL?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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LMHF#1

Yakupov and Gusev would be wonderful adds.

I just don’t see them adding a GM or others that get this reality…

OriginalPouzar

A clean disposition of Russell this off-season and the $4M used in conjunction with a real 2RD acquistion (2-year stop gap until prospects are ready for top 4) should be the priority this off-season.

Perfect world would be UFA signing of Stralman for 2 years at $4.25M but I don’t imagine that happens.

Don’t want Myers for the cost or the term he’ll want.

Would be OK with renting Faulk for one year but it would be a rental as I have zero desire to sign him to his “UFA contract”. Given the foregoing, I wouldn’t pay too much in acquisition cost so a deal is unlikely.

I think there could be a market for Russell, maybe small retention ($500K). GMs still (over)value his effort/grit.

frjohnk

Pouzar: Travis Yost was really roasting your Jets on TSN radio a couple days ago. He was citing 5on5 scoring chances in the last 25 games as predictor for playoff success. Winnipeg is next to last in this metric.

https://www.tsn.ca/offence-wins-championships-in-today-s-nhl-1.1283220

yup, not good.

Pouzar

frjohnk: Wouldnt mind the Jets taking a flyer on him if he comes back.Have always believed he would do well in a system with right handed shooting forwards on the PP.

Travis Yost was really roasting your Jets on TSN radio a couple days ago. He was citing 5on5 scoring chances in the last 25 games as predictor for playoff success. Winnipeg is next to last in this metric.

https://www.tsn.ca/offence-wins-championships-in-today-s-nhl-1.1283220

Professor Q

frjohnk: Wouldnt mind the Jets taking a flyer on him if he comes back.Have always believed he would do well in a system with right handed shooting forwards on the PP.

I want the Oilers, not the Jets, to sign him. I want the Yak Attack back!

frjohnk

Yeti: Is there a way to trade Russel this summer?

I think the Oilers need to trade one of Russell/Sekera to open up space for a forward. I think Russell will be easier to trade, as many GM’s value what we can do. Sekera has a higher cap hit, and is coming off two major injuries, so other GMs might be a bit leery of him.

frjohnk

Pouzar:
Just wanna say…I love Nail Yakupov.

Wouldnt mind the Jets taking a flyer on him if he comes back. Have always believed he would do well in a system with right handed shooting forwards on the PP.

Pouzar

Just wanna say…I love Nail Yakupov.

Yeti

JimmyV1965: trillions invested in climate research and renewables could be used to solve real problems impacting the world today

Trillions? If only.

JimmyV1965Water vapour is the driver of warming. Although most credible scientists agree that CO2 creates warming, the magnitude of that feedback mechanism is highly disputed. There is legitimate debate about the feedback magnitude and hence the extent of global warming. We just don’t hear about it.

There’s a debate in the sense that researchers have modelled closely these effects and confirm that they are happening and are fundamental to the heating effect. Yes, they have different levels of projected impacts, but to pretend that this is ‘highly disputed’ is simply wrong. There is huge consensus – from NASA to the IPCC – that the effect is real and the impacts are somewhere from bad to terrible. There is no credible science to say otherwise: the mild projections are frightening, the high ones terrifying. It’s like saying that it is highly dispute whether Chiarelli’s trade for Reinhart was just really bad or absolutely abysmal. That’s the range of credible science on this issue, to pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

And, don’t misunderstand me, I really, really, really wish you were right.

I also really, really wish we hadn’t traded for Reinhart.

Question for the group (non-climate related):

Is there a way to trade Russel this summer?

[Yeti heads back to his cave above the fast-retreating glacier].

OriginalPouzar

Its time for the Oilers to send at least one of the three tweeners down to help the AHL squad. With Yamamoto (injury), Spooner, Joe G., Currie, Malone and Russell (injury) removed from the lineup, the depth has been decimated and there is alot or pressure on Benson/Marody.

Woodcroft is being forced to do his best Hitchcock impression and ride that line and give them a rotating slew of wingers – Evan Polei had shifts as 1RW last game. David Gust is on PP1.

2 of Joe G, Malone, Currie are generally sitting – send one down please.

Wilde

hunter1909: Bill Clinton was a womanizing weaselly rat both when he was waving his anti-war hippie flag protesting the Vietnam War, and during his presidency.

Which is a personal hypocrisy, that isn’t informed by some kind of hippie ethos or group identity?

I’m calling it, I’ve stipulated enough non-reality (the Clintons being left-wing, in control of a left-wing DC elite, etc) and this still isn’t leading to a coherent thought that relates at all to the initial position, let alone reaching one, and I think my initial point was been made as well as its opposition heard.

hunter1909: I know people who would have liked to have been called hippies now retired and if I were to refer to them as “ex-hippies/ex-yuppies/post-retirement medical industry fodder”it would get old really fast.

I completely agree that being precise and using the correct words for things can be tiring. Preaching to the choir there.

hunter1909

Wilde:
Like, just say ex-hippie or former-hippie if that’s what you mean.

I know people who would have liked to have been called hippies now retired and if I were to refer to them as “ex-hippies/ex-yuppies/post-retirement medical industry fodder” it would get old really fast.

JimmyV1965

smellyglove:
Anthropogenic climate change.

Advanced statistics in sports.

Both disciplines draw their critics, mostly by those who don’t understand – for whatever reason. As someone who has studied the history of science in society, it’s difficult for me to see why individuals deny the concept of climate change. But then again they used to burn people at the stake for opining on the heliocentric solar system. Yes, it was once controversial to say the sun does not orbit the Earth.

This is a difficult subject to understand and communicate. If I had to put it in layman’s terms: what earth and climate scientists have done is to examine multiple lines of evidence from multiple fields: chemists, botanists, atmospheric scientists, physicists, etc. Whether you’re simulating the affects of an increase of the concentration of greenhouse gases in a computer model, or drilling ice cores from tens of thousands of years ago to see what the air was like, the evidence and best hypotheses we have is that from the industrial revolution on we have a problem. That problem is increasing parts per million of carbon emissions, and increasing mean global temperatures.

The IPCC assesment reports aren’t that difficult a read. If you have a university degree the summaries are quite accessible, even without a scientific background. Give them a read, make your own judgements.

For those who distrust experts and scientists and of that there are many, I will leave the following parting points:

– Some or the earliest evidence for climate change comes from the US government and NOAA, circa the 70s. Experiments and data collection in the atmosphere to build better warplanes started to turn up evidence for climate change.

– Even today The Pentagon considers climate change to be a threat multiplier.

– Signatories to the Paris Agreement include nearly two hundred countries. From socialist European nations to right-wing populist states to developing countries to authoritarian regimes, they have signed on to the Paris Agreement. Read some of the preamble. Why would such different countries, many of whom are enemies, do such a thing?

– China, although their NDCs are quite weak at the moment, are leading the clean energy revolution. They have the largest deployment of battery storage, and solar panels, and electric vehicles. Billions of dollars in R and D and top down mandates to transform their energy systems.

– It will take all countries pulling their weight in this. Canada is a top 10 polluter. Yes, we need to transform our energy system too.

You do understand that all climate models have an assumption built into them that CO2 creates mild warming. However, this warming creates a feedback mechanism that creates more water vapour, which amplifies the warming. Water vapour is the driver of warming. Although most credible scientists agree that CO2 creates warming, the magnitude of that feedback mechanism is highly disputed. There is legitimate debate about the feedback magnitude and hence the extent of global warming. We just don’t hear about it.

hunter1909

Wilde: Which is a non-evolution in comparison to the evolution you’re asserting the Clintons went through? How is that analogous?

Bill Clinton was a womanizing weaselly rat both when he was waving his anti-war hippie flag protesting the Vietnam War, and during his presidency.

Wilde

Like, just say ex-hippie or former-hippie if that’s what you mean.

Wilde

hunter1909: I’ll try that again.

George Bush was a rich spoiled low character Vietnam War dodging coward. Later on, as Commander in Chief he was still a low character coward.

Which is a non-evolution in comparison to the evolution you’re asserting the Clintons went through? How is that analogous?

smellyglove

Anthropogenic climate change.

Advanced statistics in sports.

Both disciplines draw their critics, mostly by those who don’t understand – for whatever reason. As someone who has studied the history of science in society, it’s difficult for me to see why individuals deny the concept of climate change. But then again they used to burn people at the stake for opining on the heliocentric solar system. Yes, it was once controversial to say the sun does not orbit the Earth.

This is a difficult subject to understand and communicate. If I had to put it in layman’s terms: what earth and climate scientists have done is to examine multiple lines of evidence from multiple fields: chemists, botanists, atmospheric scientists, physicists, etc. Whether you’re simulating the affects of an increase of the concentration of greenhouse gases in a computer model, or drilling ice cores from tens of thousands of years ago to see what the air was like, the evidence and best hypotheses we have is that from the industrial revolution on we have a problem. That problem is increasing parts per million of carbon emissions, and increasing mean global temperatures.

The IPCC assesment reports aren’t that difficult a read. If you have a university degree the summaries are quite accessible, even without a scientific background. Give them a read, make your own judgements.

For those who distrust experts and scientists and of that there are many, I will leave the following parting points:

– Some or the earliest evidence for climate change comes from the US government and NOAA, circa the 70s. Experiments and data collection in the atmosphere to build better warplanes started to turn up evidence for climate change.

– Even today The Pentagon considers climate change to be a threat multiplier.

– Signatories to the Paris Agreement include nearly two hundred countries. From socialist European nations to right-wing populist states to developing countries to authoritarian regimes, they have signed on to the Paris Agreement. Read some of the preamble. Why would such different countries, many of whom are enemies, do such a thing?

– China, although their NDCs are quite weak at the moment, are leading the clean energy revolution. They have the largest deployment of battery storage, and solar panels, and electric vehicles. Billions of dollars in R and D and top down mandates to transform their energy systems.

– It will take all countries pulling their weight in this. Canada is a top 10 polluter. Yes, we need to transform our energy system too.

hunter1909

Wilde: If I work as a waiter, quit, and then become a construction worker; am I still a waiter?

I’ll try that again.

George Bush was a rich spoiled low character Vietnam War dodging coward. Later on, as Commander in Chief he was still a low character coward.

hunter1909

Wilde: If I work as a waiter, quit, and then become a construction worker; am I still a waiter?

How many angels do you think can dance on the head of a pin?

Wilde

hunter1909: Your definition of hippie is far narrower than mine.

Hippie teenagers from the suburbs morph into yuppies going to discos, then “Baby on Board” daycare parents many en route to divorce court; by middle/late middle age fabulously ensconced on the backs of both their dead parents generation who provided most of what they own, and their children who are expected to pay for their bloated pensions, despite the fact that their children’s lives have been so utterly downgraded compared to their own youth etc…is the true non-academic definition of 2019 “hippies”

Not your 1967 perfect flower children with good teeth and posture.

If I work as a waiter, quit, and then become a construction worker; am I still a waiter?

hunter1909

Wilde: I’m not saying that a hippie can’t do bad or good things, I’m saying that the way they do those bad or good things are different.

Your definition of hippie is far narrower than mine. For a start I don’t pay too much attention to the Tom Wolfe acid heads who were too far off the charts.

Hippie teenagers from the suburbs morph into yuppies going to discos, then “Baby on Board” daycare parents many en route to divorce court; by middle/late middle age fabulously ensconced on the backs of both their dead parents generation who provided most of what they own, and their children who are expected to pay for their bloated pensions, despite the fact that their children’s lives have been so utterly downgraded compared to their own youth etc…is the true non-academic definition of 2019 “hippies”

Not your 1967 perfect flower children model that comes with perpetually good teeth and posture.

Wilde

hunter1909: Ivy League Universities actually inhabited the exact same space/time continuum that you allude to. You might be astonished to learn that there were students across the American system who held similar post-war baby boom beliefs.

Awesome. Let’s again stipulate (we’re sprinting ever further from reality and to thought-experiment-zone) that Hillary Clinton’s communities were Hippie Hotbeds. She still demonstrably wasn’t. And isn’t now.

hunter1909:
Are you saying that you have no capacity to imagine that anyone called a hippie can ever do anything bad?

Lol.

You’re saying that the ethos of the hippies informs the Clinton worldview. Mercilessly killing a man who didn’t even understand what was happening to him (he saved the dessert of his last meal for ‘later’) seems to directly contradict that ethos.

A hippie would probably do something bad out of naiveté or emotion, rather than outright cruelty – strategic in origin or not.

I’m not saying that a hippie can’t do bad or good things, I’m saying that the way they do those bad or good things are different.

DevilsLettuce

Climate issues.. snow machines, bury that robot head Craig Go fuck yourself Simpson.

Glovjuice: So, so different that trade was. Not even a trade. Plus, the Oil won a cup three years later.

They could of won 10 more? Every trade is different yet they’re still trades. Plus the Oilers made the playoffs immediately after what you call the worst not even a trade but a trade trade. The other 12 of the past 13 summers they haven’t made that trade they’ve failed to make the playoffs. Mayhaps it was really the best trade ever.. depends how you view your stats.

Bag of Pucks

Glovjuice: So, so different that trade was. Not even a trade. Plus, the Oil won a cup three years later.

Shows you how good that team was to overcome that, and it was two years later but who’s counting.

Imagine trading McDavid (Gretzky), Chiasson (Krushyelnyski) & Kassian (McSorley) for Matt Duchene (Jimmy Carson), Ryan Dzingel (Martin Gelinas) and some lottery tickets that never paid out. That was the Gretzky trade/sale. But hey, at least Peter Puck got paid. And then tell me how bad the Reinhart trade was again.

And this assessment is being generous. McSorley and Krush were far better players than Chaisson and Kassian. Tough to identify proper comps on a team as poor as the present one.

hunter1909

Wilde: The US (and Canada) are living in the Gilded Age and the rest of world is living in the 1930’s, with fascism on the rise.

Nothing but misery ahead for North American young people, people under 25 years old who have no hope of owning a house. All thanks to the crooked banking/financial system.

Baby Boom Oldies clinging to pensions simply haven’t got the imagination left to understand that this youthful generation is going to be 100% open for goose stepping down main street.

hunter1909

Come to think of it, I’ve seen both sides of the political spectrum state their views here today and both sides show remarkable prescience.

“I went to a hockey blog and a Titanic sized intellectual discussion broke out”.

hunter1909

Scungilli Slushy: Some drunks only drink for a few years. Not the same as life long, far less effects. Not everyone has wet brain.

However, being sober doesn’t mean you don’t continue the problem personality issues that lead to the drink or drug. Without some work. I suppose you mean dry drunk.

Are there smug people sporting some classical times hubris in the Oilers org? You bet! Might be more about the former success and a lack of humility fueling it more than anything.

Nice post. States my case better than I do.

hunter1909

Wilde: I’m suggesting that the difference between UC Berkeley and Yale Law during Hillary’s upbringing couldn’t be greater.

Ivy League Universities actually inhabited the exact same space/time continuum that you allude to. You might be astonished to learn that there were students across the American system who held similar post-war baby boom beliefs.

Wilde: In Bill’s case, does a hippie execute a mentally-challenged African-American man as a tough-on-crime stunt?

Are you saying that you have no capacity to imagine that anyone called a hippie can ever do anything bad?

Scungilli Slushy

hunter1909: hunter

Some drunks only drink for a few years. Not the same as life long, far less effects. Not everyone has wet brain.

However, being sober doesn’t mean you don’t continue the problem personality issues that lead to the drink or drug. Without some work. I suppose you mean dry drunk.

Are there smug people sporting some classical times hubris in the Oilers org? You bet! Might be more about the former success and a lack of humility fueling it more than anything.

Reja

jp: I like Jesse. I still think he’s got a good chance to be a solid NHLer. But having thought a little about it, it would be a massive win if a JP sweetener allowed for a clean disposition of the Lucic contract.

Lucic has 4X6M left. Puljujarvi has 4 years left until UFA, unless I’m mistaken.

JP+Lucic = something like 7M per season. Removing both gives:
1M-2M to replace Lucic at 3L/4L
5M-6M to replace Puljujarvi

Over the next 4 years Puljujarvi would need to outperform a 5M-6M FA for “Lucic+JP for a 7th” to be a bad deal. I do that deal 10 times out of 10, if it were on the table.

Like the Brandon Manning trade, it’s difficult to believe an NHL GM could pull the trigger on a move like that. So you never know, but it’s still unlikely JP is even close to fair value for taking on the Lucic deal.

I believe Lucic will be traded this offseason with no retention after July first what’s the cost remains to be seen. To bad the expansion draft wasn’t this year with the compliance buy- out if it’s even in play. When Lucic is on the fourth line and serving the bench minors ( if I was the Coach I would never do that to a well established veteran) the writing is on the wall.

jp

OriginalPouzar: So, can Jesse out perform a Nick-Schmaltz type player?

He absolutely could. But having seen the player for three years (as young as he still is) expectations on his ceiling have changed IMO.

His success with McDavid is talked about a lot, but he’s basically had success only with McDavid.

Career 5on5 P/60 for all forwards he’s played 100 minutes with:
McDavid 2.06
Draisaitl 1.48
Caggiula 1.47
Maroon 1.17
Lucic 1.16
Nuge 1.05
Strome 0.98
Khaira 0.82

He’s nowhere near Schmaltz now, production wise. He’d have to average in the 50 point range over the next 4 seasons for the deal to be a break even (for a team acquiring JP+Lucic). And then he’s UFA, so even if he does take those steps he’ll be paid in full from that point.

I would 100% take the bet that a 5-6M UFA signing will outperform Puljujarvi over the next 4 seasons, acknowledging that Puljujarvi could conceivably win the day.

Glovjuice

Wilde: ?

I’m suggesting that the difference between UC Berkeley and Yale Law during Hillary’s upbringing couldn’t be greater.

In Bill’s case, does a hippie execute a mentally-challenged African-American man as a tough-on-crime stunt?

Just made me think ? of the big kahoona scene in the mighty Pulp Fiction.

Glovjuice

Wilde: There’s a lot packed in here tight, and I know that if I put the effort into debunking any of it, that someone is going to reply telling me it’s not worth my time – so I’ll just get out in front of that by saying that I’m not trying to change your mind in particular, Hunter, just anyone reading this (particularly anyone impressionable).

Let’s start, to simplify matters, with just stipulating that the American Hippie movement was ‘completely left-wing’, and argue in those confines.

Hillary Clinton was raised in a Chicago suburb and had an Ivy-League education. That doesn’t scream Californio-Bohemian to me.

Hillary Clinton also called herself a Goldwater girl (and volunteered for his campaign against LBJ in ’64), referring to Barry Goldwater, an ideologically-impactful conservative US Senator who was basically a proto-right-libertarian who was (often in contradiction) pro small-government and socially liberal.

If you want to talk hippies and the 60’s, he was against the Civil Rights Movement.

So, there’s that.

After his run against LBJ, his primary in-party function was to aid in the transformation of the Republican machine into the Ronald Reagan vehicle.

What’s especially funny about the comment regarding “WW2 generation values” is that can refer to one of two stances: pro-New Deal, or anti. If she was pro, she wouldn’t have came down so far to the right of Bernie Sanders in 2016. If she was anti, then she couldn’t possibly be left wing unless she was a literal anarcho-communist or something.

The common people of the WW2 generation lived through the Great Depression and were lifted out of poverty and destitution by the massively popular FDR’s broad social spending that would be considered outright socialism now. You don’t even have to speculate about this: he fought against post-Industrialist barons and Dixiecrat-types to try to institute universal healthcare coverage – a policy that has been repeatedly called socialism by the American Right. Later, Medicare and Medicaid were intended by their creators to lead to universality.

If she somehow retroactively became a hippie, her hawkish foreign policy views as Secretary of State under Barack Obama would contradict that to say the least.

In general, Hillary Clinton is a former College-Republican/Rockefeller Republican who simply finds herself a centrist now that the political landscape has shifted so far to the right.

On last note on Hippies: it’s my understanding that many of them moved to the right after the movement collapsed.

Bill Clinton was literally the POTUS and acted as a centre-right Neoliberal. You don’t even have to go into his history or wonder what he would do if he was president. He was the president and he wasn’t left-wing. If he’s been morphing into something, that’s largely irrelevant as he has absolutely no power and is at this point a dying man.

The Gilded Age is a near dead ringer for our current times in North-America. It was a period of US history, during the late 1800s, that most closely resembles the current income inequality of today. Near feudalistic concentration to the top-1% of society. Massive technological development and production growth that didn’t at all bear fruit for the working people. Pervasive political corruption.

The only difference is that now, the global wealth concentration is even greater. The US (and Canada) are living in the Gilded Age and the rest of world is living in the 1930’s, with fascism on the rise.

Last thing: Left-wing Fascism doesn’t exist. That’s not a thing.

Fascism is the far-right answer to late-stage capitalism. The only things that I can think of that you could possibly be referring to would be… economically-left Authoritarianism? I guess? As in Stalin, Marxist-Leninism? State Capitalism? One-Party Communism? Xi Jinping’s China?

Unfair “fight” this is.

Glovjuice

Bag of Pucks: The worst trade in Oilers history happened in 1988. Do you need a hint who it involved?

So, so different that trade was. Not even a trade. Plus, the Oil won a cup three years later.

Wilde

Glovjuice: What…say what one more time m’frickrr.

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hunter1909:
A lot of hippies were originally from the suburbs. It helped develop their airheaded value system.

Are you suggesting suburban teenagers were paragons of conformity?

I’m suggesting that the difference between UC Berkeley and Yale Law during Hillary’s upbringing couldn’t be greater.

In Bill’s case, does a hippie execute a mentally-challenged African-American man as a tough-on-crime stunt?

Glovjuice

Wilde:
1. Inaction on climate change is not part of hard-wired humanity, because if it was, there wouldn’t be massive amounts of money spent on propagating it

2. A better way to help poorer nations would be to stop economically terrorising anyone who tries to nationalise any part of their resource economy, or in any matter step further left than Ronald Reagan. Or to stop supporting nations who make arms deals to neighbouring countries who wish to slaughter these regions peoples and plunder their resources.

3. The suggestion that there is a moneyed interest in promoting climate change as a threat to humanity must at one point meet with the undeniable truth that there is exponentially more moneyed interest in keeping the status quo; as there always is

4. More broadly, it should be understood that any economically progressive agenda has near-definitionally less total financial backing than the establishment agenda does. The people with the most money at any given time are the people who have benefitted the most by the material conditions of the current sociopolitical climate. Or else they wouldn’t have that money. Therefore, any movement that pushes to uplift part of this status quo is a direct threat to the existing wealth-pipeline to these people. Why would these movements ever have access to that funding?

5. The only exception to this is an optical one, where the establishment co-opts the language and rhetoric of dissenting voices: Like when a Third-Way or Neoliberal figure either takes the label of an emancipatory policy (say, Medicare-for-all in the USA or Land-Redistribution in South Africa) and either a) repackages the policy in complete and total dishonesty; or b) enacts some easily-rolled back incremental legislation as a token.

That is all. I thank you and good night.

What…say what one more time m’frickrr.

hunter1909

Wilde: Hillary Clinton was raised in a Chicago suburb and had an Ivy-League education. That doesn’t scream Californio-Bohemian to me.

A lot of hippies were originally from the suburbs. It helped develop their airheaded value system.

Are you suggesting suburban teenagers were paragons of conformity?

OriginalPouzar

jp: I like Jesse. I still think he’s got a good chance to be a solid NHLer. But having thought a little about it, it would be a massive win if a JP sweetener allowed for a clean disposition of the Lucic contract.

Lucic has 4X6M left. Puljujarvi has 4 years left until UFA, unless I’m mistaken.

JP+Lucic = something like 7M per season. Removing both gives:
1M-2M to replace Lucic at 3L/4L
5M-6M to replace Puljujarvi

Over the next 4 years Puljujarvi would need to outperform a 5M-6M FA for “Lucic+JP for a 7th” to be a bad deal. I do that deal 10 times out of 10, if it were on the table.

Like the Brandon Manning trade, it’s difficult to believe an NHL GM could pull the trigger on a move like that. So you never know, but it’s still unlikely JP is even close to fair value for taking on the Lucic deal.

So, can Jesse out perform a Nick-Schmaltz type player?

JimmyV1965

Kinger_Oil.redux: – I was having a little fun with yeti at my expense as he was equating climate change naysayers with Chia defenders

– If you don’t believe that the evolution of humanity and our increased footprint hasn’t contributed to climate change fill your boots.

This is how the alarmists change the narrative. Well thinking sceptics understand that CO2 has a warming effect and that man has impacted the environment. But if you question the dogma that increased CO2 leads to catastrophic warming, you are automatically placed in a category that we deny it all. There are many credible lukewarmers who think the trillions invested in climate research and renewables could be used to solve real problems impacting the world today.

Glovjuice

G Money:
Glovjuice,

Ah hah, excellent! Then you may (probably not) appreciate this little ditty I cooked up last time Nicholson had a bozo eruption!


Hello?
Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me
Is there anyone home?


Come on, now
I hear you’re feeling down
McDavid can ease your pain
Get you on your feet again

Relax
You’ll need some information first
Just the basic stats
They’ll show you where it hurts

There is only pain that fans are feeling
Playoffs once again over the horizon
The other team is attacking us in waves
Toby’s the one who’s getting all the blame

When I was a child I had Cup fever
Nobody ever called Sather a buffoon

Now I want that feeling once again
I can’t explain you would not understand
Katz don’t seem to give a damn

And Bob has become
Momentarily dumb

On second thought. Perhaps permanently rather than momentarily.

Glovjuice

G Money:
Glovjuice,

Ah hah, excellent! Then you may (probably not) appreciate this little ditty I cooked up last time Nicholson had a bozo eruption!


Hello?
Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me
Is there anyone home?


Come on, now
I hear you’re feeling down
McDavid can ease your pain
Get you on your feet again

Relax
You’ll need some information first
Just the basic stats
They’ll show you where it hurts

There is only pain that fans are feeling
Playoffs once again over the horizon
The other team is attacking us in waves
Toby’s the one who’s getting all the blame

When I was a child I had Cup fever
Nobody ever called Sather a buffoon

Now I want that feeling once again
I can’t explain you would not understand
Katz don’t seem to give a damn

And Bob has become
Momentarily dumb

Very nice. Smart person you are.

Wilde

hunter1909: Hippies were completely left wing.

Hippies like the Clintons etc currently run Washington DC, although now they’ve morphed into the left-fascists I always thought they were. As they rejected the values of the WW2 generation with it went that generation’s concept of freedom and democracy.

Gilded Age I have no idea what this even means.

Malthusian Nightmares are my area of expertise.

There’s a lot packed in here tight, and I know that if I put the effort into debunking any of it, that someone is going to reply telling me it’s not worth my time – so I’ll just get out in front of that by saying that I’m not trying to change your mind in particular, Hunter, just anyone reading this (particularly anyone impressionable).

Let’s start, to simplify matters, with just stipulating that the American Hippie movement was ‘completely left-wing’, and argue in those confines.

Hillary Clinton was raised in a Chicago suburb and had an Ivy-League education. That doesn’t scream Californio-Bohemian to me.

Hillary Clinton also called herself a Goldwater girl (and volunteered for his campaign against LBJ in ’64), referring to Barry Goldwater, an ideologically-impactful conservative US Senator who was basically a proto-right-libertarian who was (often in contradiction) pro small-government and socially liberal.

If you want to talk hippies and the 60’s, he was against the Civil Rights Movement.

So, there’s that.

After his run against LBJ, his primary in-party function was to aid in the transformation of the Republican machine into the Ronald Reagan vehicle.

What’s especially funny about the comment regarding “WW2 generation values” is that can refer to one of two stances: pro-New Deal, or anti. If she was pro, she wouldn’t have came down so far to the right of Bernie Sanders in 2016. If she was anti, then she couldn’t possibly be left wing unless she was a literal anarcho-communist or something.

The common people of the WW2 generation lived through the Great Depression and were lifted out of poverty and destitution by the massively popular FDR’s broad social spending that would be considered outright socialism now. You don’t even have to speculate about this: he fought against post-Industrialist barons and Dixiecrat-types to try to institute universal healthcare coverage – a policy that has been repeatedly called socialism by the American Right. Later, Medicare and Medicaid were intended by their creators to lead to universality.

If she somehow retroactively became a hippie, her hawkish foreign policy views as Secretary of State under Barack Obama would contradict that to say the least.

In general, Hillary Clinton is a former College-Republican/Rockefeller Republican who simply finds herself a centrist now that the political landscape has shifted so far to the right.

On last note on Hippies: it’s my understanding that many of them moved to the right after the movement collapsed.

Bill Clinton was literally the POTUS and acted as a centre-right Neoliberal. You don’t even have to go into his history or wonder what he would do if he was president. He was the president and he wasn’t left-wing. If he’s been morphing into something, that’s largely irrelevant as he has absolutely no power and is at this point a dying man.

The Gilded Age is a near dead ringer for our current times in North-America. It was a period of US history, during the late 1800s, that most closely resembles the current income inequality of today. Near feudalistic concentration to the top-1% of society. Massive technological development and production growth that didn’t at all bear fruit for the working people. Pervasive political corruption.

The only difference is that now, the global wealth concentration is even greater. The US (and Canada) are living in the Gilded Age and the rest of world is living in the 1930’s, with fascism on the rise.

Last thing: Left-wing Fascism doesn’t exist. That’s not a thing.

Fascism is the far-right answer to late-stage capitalism. The only things that I can think of that you could possibly be referring to would be… economically-left Authoritarianism? I guess? As in Stalin, Marxist-Leninism? State Capitalism? One-Party Communism? Xi Jinping’s China?

JimmyV1965

Yeti: So wish you guys were right. But you’re not. The fact that you point to California having had the coldest winter in decades as evidence against climate change shows you really don’t have the basics under grasp. Point is, the reason they say there is a scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change is precisely because there is one. Those who say some scientists still question it are like saying you can still find people who’ll defend Chiarelli’s moves as GM. They exist, but they’re complete outliers.

Not to belabour the whole climate change thing, but consensus is a political term, not a scientific term. There is no consensus in science. You are either right or wrong. The history of science is littered with examples of the scientific consensus being wrong. There are plenty of credible scientists like Judith Curry and Richard Lindzen and Freeman Dyson who believe that CO2 has a warming effect, but is far from being catastrophic. They are generally older and very well established in their professions because there is zero funding and support for any young scientist to stray from the dogma.

jp

Andy Dufresne:
Whereas moving him now packaged with Lucic IS significant value/return.

IMO most mgt teams evaluation / calculus would show this as a net gain. Especially teams with a GM that has no responsibilty for having drafted him.

OriginalPouzar:
Unless Puljujarvi leads to a 100% clean disposition of Lucic with no retention, I don’t add that sweetener (unless there are indications that there is no way Jesse will sign and will head back home unless traded).

Reja:
With a player winger coming back with a cap hit that expires soon. I want Josh Anderson one year left on his contract I believe at 1.75 mil and would possibly add a second if not Jones to that deal. I would want be free and clear of Lucic no retention a fresh start and Josh would pot 30-40 I think easily with Connor and Draisaitl that man can skate shoot and goes to the effing net I really like his game.

I like Jesse. I still think he’s got a good chance to be a solid NHLer. But having thought a little about it, it would be a massive win if a JP sweetener allowed for a clean disposition of the Lucic contract.

Lucic has 4X6M left. Puljujarvi has 4 years left until UFA, unless I’m mistaken.

JP+Lucic = something like 7M per season. Removing both gives:
1M-2M to replace Lucic at 3L/4L
5M-6M to replace Puljujarvi

Over the next 4 years Puljujarvi would need to outperform a 5M-6M FA for “Lucic+JP for a 7th” to be a bad deal. I do that deal 10 times out of 10, if it were on the table.

Like the Brandon Manning trade, it’s difficult to believe an NHL GM could pull the trigger on a move like that. So you never know, but it’s still unlikely JP is even close to fair value for taking on the Lucic deal.

Glovjuice

deardylan: I hope you are right cried the earth.

Ah, The Trees reference in part. Now, that is Natural Science.

gregsaint

Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

I hope with all my heart and soul that it’s wrong, but do you really want to bet the near future viability of human civilization on it?

Consequences of the consensus being wrong and us doing something about it: a bit of economic pain/instability and a whole bunch of solar panels everywhere

Consequences of the consensus being right and us not doing something about it: the end of human civilization.

I know which way I’d rather we err.

hunter1909

I’d love Katz to make the OBC some kind of special whatever he wants just keep them all far away from the running of the team.

Including Katz these are not young men. These are aging men, basically out of touch with the modern world.

Katz dreamed of being something else when his besties came through with their promises but instead of success they have only brought failure – and they’ve become the Harold Ballard Leafs/Dollar Bill Wirtz Blackhawks.

hunter1909

Bag of Pucks: The worst trade in Oilers history happened in 1988. Do you need a hint who it involved?

Thank you for the memories!

OriginalPouzar

Bag of Pucks: The worst trade in Oilers history happened in 1988. Do you need a hint who it involved?

Will Acton’s dad?

Glovjuice

Gerta Rauss:
G Money,

I think Twilight Zone from 2112 also works in this discussion…

Or Witchhunt, which we badly need.