Just Like Honey

It was billed as a miserable final game in enemy territory, another evening spent watching the rising Calgary Flames against the frustrating team to the north. And then, in the wink of an eye, things got real in a quick hurry. After a round of Hail Mary, full of grace, it was over an hour of the kind of worry that only comes during truly massive life moments. I spent part of those 60 minutes trying to find a few lines from ‘Stop All the Clocks’ that might fit this morning’s blog. Call off the poets, hasten down the wind. Connor McDavid’s injury may not be catastrophic. We wait. It’s been hospital walls since midnight, but at least we’re not in emergency.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: The Oilers have a trio of Condors blue pushing and all three are tracking well. How does this group compare to the Petry, Chorney, Wild college men from a decade ago?
  • New Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers, the republic of Finland and the 2019 draft.
  • New Lowetide: Will the new GM continue the Oilers aggressive pursuit of college free agents?
  • New Jonathan Willis: Connor McDavid’s frustration should be seen by the Oilers as a warning of possible disaster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers have another problem to solve: Lifting the cloud over a clearly frustrated Connor McDavid
  • Lowetide: What’s going on with Connor McDavid’s with or without you numbers?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The four blows that set up the knockout of the Oilers from playoff contention.
  • New Jonathan Willis: The Oilers’ failures of 2018-19 will cost people their careers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Chipped teeth, playing DJ and lots of Game of Thrones: A week in the life of Darnell Nurse.
  • New Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto’s first pro season a cause for concern.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the giant talent pool that is the USHL.
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers can shop for a big bang on a small budget
  • Jonathan Willis: How the Oilers can turn their prospect depth into the blueline of a contender.
  • Lowetide: What Mark Hunter’s draft record in Toronto means for his Oilers GM candidacy.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers made a rare move and shopped the QMJHL at the 2018 draft. It could happen again.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers draft early, the WHL is loaded and there’s a lot of history.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.

OILERS AFTER 82

  • Oilers in 2015: 31-43-8, 70 points; goal differential -38
  • Oilers in 2016: 47-26-9, 103 points; goal differential +36
  • Oilers in 2017: 36-40-6, 78 points; goal differential -38
  • Oilers in 2018: 35-38-9, 79 points; goal differential -31

LAST NIGHT

LEON’S 50

The record will show, for all time, Leon Draisaitl climbed the mountain and cashed 50 in a season. Frank Mahovlich hit 49, so did Gordie Howe, but 50 is a special place. The names who did it previously as Oilers include Gretzky, Kurri, Messier and Anderson. Wonderful company. Well done, young man.

MCDAVID’S INJURY

I had wine last night, really good wine and it hit the spot. A nice evening got better when Leon scored 50, but time stood still when 97 got tripped and then crashed into the post. The slow motion replay didn’t help, the lip readers and carnival barkers chimed in and honestly by midnight I was regretting the wine.

Things stopped just short of becoming Wild Bill’s Circus Story. I saved a couple of tweets (I was going to use them here) but several twitter followers noticed and now I’m worried that it could send some negativity out into the ether. So, I won’t quote the tweets planned here, instead delivering the words that would have followed.

Twitter is basically the Los Angeles shown in the original Blade Runner movie. People say things on twitter that are either “first thoughts run through no filter” or troll messages. In a moment like last night, we aren’t at our emotional best, so when a message about McDavid comes through that can be seen as critical or laughing, then it’s easy to allow the vitriol to rise.

However, if the individual tweets a “clearly wasn’t meant as…” follow up, I think you have to take them at his or her word. We all develop a past, so if it is chronic behaviour that’s a different story. The examples I saved last night, in my opinion, were not troll comments but rather tweets that hit hard in the moment and could have been rephrased. I wanted to point that out, because there seems to be a growing twitter police who aggressively pursue any and all tweets and assume the worst. It’s happened to me, in one instance I was accused of writing something that I clearly did not, and it took several back and forths to set things right. Fortunately, in that exchange, the other individual was mature and re-read what I wrote.

If you want to get into twitter fights, then go your best. Otherwise, it might be an idea to wait a heartbeat. Sometimes it’s a wayward thought poorly expressed. I think we’d all like a chance for that second tweet to be read. Agreed?

THIS WEEK

It’s garbage bag day at the Oilers, that means exit interviews and media avails for the players. These are usually mildly interesting or less, but in light of last night’s injury one imagines the entire organization has been soberly reminded of what the future may bring.

Many fans believe the organization is going to ‘get it right’ and hire a competent general manager. One who will bring the team into this century in terms of analytics and analysis.

Many fans believe it’ll be status quo with a new man at the helm. I’ve read in recent days that hiring Ken Holland would be unwise, as his Detroit Red Wings are also in cap hell and on the outside.

My own feeling is this: Interview Ken Holland, and Ron Hextall and Pat Verbeek and Mike Gillis and Kelly McCrimmon. Don’t stop there! Interview Keith Gretzky, Dean Lombardi, Ross Mahoney, Al Murray.

WHAT YOU REALLY REALLY WANT

When it comes to this management hire, I don’t think Oilersnation is going to get what it wants. Those who want Verbeek or McCrimmon may get their guy (or similar), but I’m willing to bet a 2-4 Craig MacTavish and others will remain in the front office.

I will also tell you that Ken Holland as GM for two years, with Keith Gretzky remaining as AGM with the promise of the top position by 2021, is an option that will receive heavy consideration (if Holland is available).

I endorse no specific road. I will tell you my own opinion is less rigid than everyone who interacts with me on this issue. I can see all of these working, if the Edmonton Oilers stop careening from one pole to the other.

You can have speed, skill and win puck battles. You can have big men on the ice but they have to skate. You can sign players who can help on the penalty kill and play a skill position.

I believe we’re going to see a lot of movement this summer. That’s fine. If the Oilers add speed, skill, penalty killing and goaltending, music! If the Oilers continue down a road that trades away everyone 25-29 in favor of <21 and >30, in favor or size over smarts, we’ll all meet back at the lottery this time next season. It’s as simple as finding a template that works, and starting as you mean to go.

Can they?

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  1. Ben says:

    Kournianos is here: https://www.thedraftanalyst.com/rankings/2019-nhl-draft-rankings-the-april-500/

    The top-10 looks quality. Assuming they don’t move, my hope is Zegras.

    Hope to hear some pro-scouting house-cleaning news very shortly.

  2. v4ance says:

    Keith Gretzky shouldn’t be the new GM. He seems to be an adequate Director of Amateur Scouting but that doesn’t qualify him to be a General Manager, no matter how much he fits into the culture. His performance at the trade deadline emphasized his outlook as a “FAN” of this team.

    A fan has utter confidence in the team and focuses on the short term wins and this year’s chase for a playoff spot. A true GM needs to look at the long term and make objective moves that will get the team closer to the Stanley Cup. An objective GM would have made the decision to trade Chaisson and possibly Reider and others for draft picks knowing the team wasn’t a realistic Cup contender this year. A GM knows that at the trade deadline, picks would be of lowest value with actual NHL players at highest value. Then at the draft, actual players would be of cheapest value with draft picks at their highest value. So a good GM would have made the trades of our expiring UFA/RFAs to obtain picks and clear cap room and used some of those stockpiled draft picks at the NHL draft to trade for complimentary players to fill roster holes.

    ***

    My boss showed me a new app called “The Sports Aux” a few days ago. It’s developed by a Flames prospect who had a bad experience with his first agent. Initially it was just supposed to anonymously rate agents so that aspiring players could steer away from bad representation but it’s been expanded to rate coaches and management. I don’t know how they actually verify players but it’s a really interesting peek if they’re a true reflection of players’ attitudes. For each review, a short questionnaire covering three different categories (Performance, Reliability and Communication/Administrative) is filled out along with comments about the coach/agent/manager. I think it went live in Jan of this year so it’s still gathering feedback.

    I only had about 5 mins to give it a whirl on my boss’s phone but here’s what I remembered:

    Hitchcock and McLellan, No current score… not enough reviews to qualify for a ranking… yet
    Glen Gultuzan 4ish/10 I guess all his former players mostly dislike him
    Dustin Schwartz 9.9/10 Talbot, Broissoit and Carter Hart must like him a ton
    Wayne Gretzky 9+/10

    Worst Coaches:
    Berube in STL and Peter Laviolette both rated 2.9/10… immensely disliked coaches

    Anyone else tried this app yet? It only works on newer iPhones and iPads and I only have a 6 year old iPad that can’t upgrade to iOS10…no Android version yet.

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Tabernac

  4. Lowetide says:

    Gambardella, Malone flying south.

  5. condormcdavis says:

    Last night’s takeout by Giordano was the culmination of officiating and the league allowing bush league plays on the games best player to go unpunished. Four years of it and here they are.

    What a shame.

    The team and the league and the officiating.

  6. Admiral Ackbar says:

    No playoffs. Leon’s bid for 51 was high-sticked away, the captain in a wheelchair, and management has no clue. To rub salt into it, there was no consequence for the McD trip by Gio. No hacks at Gaudreau, no fight with Gio, no response. Instead, they won a game that didn’t need winning.

    I feel empty.

  7. Ben says:

    Boughner turfed.

    Big changes coming in Miami. I could see them adding Quenneville and Bobrovsky.

  8. v4ance says:

    George Richards @GeorgeRichards

    #FlaPanthers fire Bob Boughner and assistant Paul McFarland (whose power play was No. 2 in the league). Team wants to talk to Joel Quenneville officially. Jonathan Huberdeau will play for his 6th coach next year.

    …and so the yearly bloodletting begins

  9. Fuhr and Lowething. says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Tabernac

    Qft.

  10. v4ance says:

    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie

    For now, there are seven official head coach vacancies: ANA, EDM, FLA, LA, OTT, PHI, STL:

  11. flyfish1168 says:

    We need a POHO that demands the new gm to understand and talk CAP control, analytics, speed, talent and long term through the draft. Katz needs to be willing to hire these people and also spend on making sure his new POHO and GM can succeed. We should not be looking for anyone that doesn’t priorities this or talk this language.

  12. Ben says:

    flyfish1168:
    We need a POHO that demands the new gm to understand and talkCAP control, analytics, speed, talent and long term through the draft. Katz needs to be willing to hire these people and also spend on making sure his new POHO and GM can succeed. We should not be looking for anyone that doesn’t priorities this or talk this language.

    Based on history, what are the odds that Katz attributes any importance to (or has any understanding of) these perspectives?

    We now understand that wealth doesn’t trickle down. Incompetence, unfortunately, does.

    Their only hope, in my mind, is in hiring an independent firm to conduct the personnel search, rather than having Bobby Nicks share cobb salads with his rivals.

  13. dustrock says:

    Thought the headline might be The Bitterest Pill I Had to Swallow.

    Wasn’t even mad at Giordano because it’s been clear for years the refs aren’t going to protect players.

    Wonder if this was the most depressing Oilers season ever.

    I’m still stunned today. Hope Connor is alright physically and mentally. Getting injured at the end of a season where he’s had to deal with all of the madness is just unbelievable.

  14. tileguy says:

    Gravel looks like the perfect 7 Dman, can tolerate long spells in the pressbox then come out and play a decent game. I think he has value, although not sure if it is as a #7, a trade chip or as a player who can progress.

  15. v4ance says:

    Ben: Based on history, what are the odds that Katz attributes any importance to (or has any understanding of) these perspectives?

    We know understand that wealth doesn’t trickle down. Incompetence, unfortunately, does.

    The funny thing is that Katz should be VERY familiar with business analytics. It’s partly why his Rexall Drug store empire has grown and thrived. The only thing is that he must still be treating the Oilers like a multi million dollar toy instead of a business. Too much of a fan and not enough of a business owner…

  16. Woogie63 says:

    We need a POHO and a GM.
    Clearly Bob was thinking of moving on and that leadership role needs a capable person. The POHO will need to separate the hockey GM from the wine summit club and manage the Katz family, in Edmonton that is close to a full time job. I also think the club as got to change the atmosphere of hockey, in Edmonton 18,000 or so GMs show up for home games. The POHO needs to re-establish relationships with the media, and acknowledge the influence of a huge blogging community, which is growing some of the negativity around the team. The atmosphere is not fun and people are asking about the value, this from a business point of view needs to be addressed … now.

    Here are my questions as I interview for the best POHO.

    POHO
    1. How do you make the arena atmosphere closer to going to a Seahawks games?
    2. How much money and where do you spend it for non cap budgets?
    3. How does the club move on from the 80’s Oilers?
    4. How are you going to work with Katz and his business team?
    5. How are you going to deal with the multi levels of media in Edmonton?
    6. What role does math and science have in hockey?
    7. How are you going to evaluate the GMs success?
    8. How does the club give more value to its fans?
    9. Do you hire to fire?
    10. Should the Condor be based in Edmonton?

  17. OmJo says:

    Not to take away from the Weekly Yak, but Mr. Yak City has two goals so far in game 6 of the KHL Western Conference finals.

    https://twitter.com/A_Kalnins/status/1114897506532564993?s=20

    https://twitter.com/A_Kalnins/status/1114906213110767621?s=20

  18. v4ance says:

    George Richards @GeorgeRichards

    #FlaPanthers say they want a coach with ‘Stanley Cup pedigree’ and have an owner who wants and says he is willing to pay Joel Quenneville. Press conference Monday.

    Not telegraphing too much are they?

  19. v4ance says:

    OmJo:
    Not to take away from the Weekly Yak, but Mr. Yak City has two goals so far in game 6 of the KHL Western Conference finals.

    I still love me some Yak!

    An honestly good question for any prospective GM hires would be:
    “Would you offer Yakupov or Reider a contract for next year and why or why not?”

    It would show an ability to understand variance and bounceback years. Plus it would show that the new GM isn’t chained to the recent history of the organization and that they can take the heat to make beneficial moves despite any controversy they might generate. Both those players would probably be good “Buy low” candidates if the team can look past their bumbling fumbling noses.

  20. Destroyko says:

    While I see the value in speaking to prospective candidates like Holland to gather as much outside perspective as possible, I think that it’s important to be conscious, before handing out actual interviews like candy, of the fact that small sample sizes apply to managers as much as players.

    What if Holland crushes the interview? Does that count more than his most recent decade of work? If not, then why is he a legitimate candidate in the first place (as distinct from a perspective-gathering conversation).

  21. OmJo says:

    v4ance: I still love me some Yak!

    An honestly good question for any prospective GM hires would be:
    “Would you offer Yakupov or Reider a contract for next year and why or why not?”

    It would show an ability to understand variance and bounceback years.Plus it would show that the new GM isn’t chained to the recent history of the organization and that they can take the heat to make beneficial moves despite any controversy they might generate.Both those players would probably be good “Buy low” candidates if the team can look past their bumbling fumbling noses.

    I absolutely bring Rieder back. The odds of him going two full seasons with 0 goals are basically non-existent IMO.

    He has all the makings for a value contract next season. Then again I doubt Nicholson would hire a GM who thinks bringing back Rieder is a good idea. He’s the reason we missed the playoffs after all.

  22. HT Joe says:

    v4ance: An honestly good question for any prospective GM hires would be:
    “Would you offer Yakupov or Reider a contract for next year and why or why not?”

    It would show an ability to understand variance and bounceback years.

    Would you hire that GM candidate if he questioned the local water source and/or asked if their previous team made the playoffs?

  23. v4ance says:

    OmJo,

    I guess that’s the reason why so many of us here are despondent. We can see the iceberg of the pending dinosaur POHO and GM hires but the Oilers can’t steer away from them. We’ll just hire the same old “200 hockey men” types and stay firmly fixed in the past way waaaaay behind the curve and wonder why the team isn’t improving.

  24. Ben says:

    Oilers new special advisor Jonathan Willis emerges from Edmonton MRI clinic to announce that Connor McDavid has a charley horse and everyone is fired.

    *Brazil plays in background*

  25. HT Joe says:

    OmJo: He has all the makings for a value contract next season. Then again I doubt Nicholson would hire a GM who thinks bringing back Rieder is a good idea. He’s the reason we missed the playoffs after all.

    After getting pooped on publicly, and being “offended” (https://www.tsn.ca/rieder-offended-by-nicholson-s-comments-1.1277900), there’s a 0% chance Rieder would ever return.

    The Oiler’s management doesn’t just alienate potential star players… they alienate the potential value contracts too. Death by a thousand paper cuts… it’s not just a Chiarelli management style…

  26. Dustylegnd says:

    Ben:
    Boughner turfed.

    Big changes coming in Miami. I could see them adding Quenneville and Bobrovsky.

    The thing is they do not need big changes, they have an excellent team and SHIT tenders

    Goals per game (9th) in the league

    Shots against per game allowed 30.7 (10th) in the league

    Shots for per game 33 (6th) in the league

    PP% 26.8 (2nd) in the league

    PK% 81.3 (10th) in the league

    26.8 + 81.3 = 108% (2nd) in the league I am pretty sure

    Team SV% 892 (30th) in the league

    Goal differential -9 (18th) in the league

    How is this Boughner’s fault on any level….the GM gives him plenty of talent up front and on D and he seems to have made the most of it.

    His goaltending is a tire fire and that is the coaches fault???…..that is a shitty deal for Boughner

  27. hungoverman says:

    Between the Bronco’s coverage (god bless them), Connor being injured after Leon’s goal and Bret And Nattie Hart being attacked i think last night was one of the most emotional ones for me as a sports fan in years. Things can only improve.

  28. HugThePost says:

    It was a little bit before my time, but does anyone here know the timeline of when Bobby Orr’s knee injuries started to when he was forced to retire? I just know he retired before he hit 30.

    It’s a little bit of a sky-is-falling thought, but Bobby Orr being agent to The Next One whose career is cut down by knee injuries and it just so happened he playing for this pathetic org would be such an appropriate climax to this decades long tragedy horror story that the Oilers are continuing to pen.

    I just think that outside of winning the right to draft 97, the Oilers deserve everything that comes to them.

  29. stephen sheps says:

    OmJo:
    Not to take away from the Weekly Yak, but Mr. Yak City has two goals so far in game 6 of the KHL Western Conference finals.

    https://twitter.com/A_Kalnins/status/1114897506532564993?s=20

    https://twitter.com/A_Kalnins/status/1114906213110767621?s=20

    The weekly Yak appreciates this update.

    I’ve been battling a stomach bug for a couple days and finally feel human again.
    Go Yak!

    End transmission

  30. godot10 says:

    condormcdavis:
    Last night’s takeout by Giordano was the culmination of officiating and the league allowing bush league plays on the games best player to go unpunished. Four years of it and here they are.

    What a shame.

    The team and the league and the officiating.

    Giordano was channelling his inner Denis Potvin or Chris Pronger, who always did something when they were beat (sometimes even when they didn’t get beat)… a trip, an elbow, a slash.

    A lot of great defensemen were/are not paragons of clean play.

    Mark Messier, as a forward, was like that.

  31. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – This would be my ideal summer:

    1) Katz circumvents Bob, and hires a new POHO

    2) And/orBob goes to IIHF (and is no longer part of the organzition)

    3) New POHO with Katz blessing gets rid of MacT, Howson et al

    4) They bring in a GM not associated with OBC: and Keith can re-apply for a role in that org

    5) They also bring in bona-fide assistant GM’s who are innovative respected gets rather than supplicants or rehashes

    6) They hire a new coach that will coach the team as it is, using those talents, not make the team play what coach believes it should be in the future

    7) POHO and new GM have say in who the new assitants are (not like when Coach came and brought only his guys from old gig, and there was clearly a disconnect between coach philosophy and GM philosophy)

    8) The hire someone like VOR (miss him), to recruit and build analytic group that is meaningful part of organization structure

    9) New organization structure drafts and develops

    10) If they can’t get rid of Lucic without retaining $3MM + and/or Pool, 1st etc: they bite the bullet, and he plays next year, and that off-season he gets his bonus then is traded to expansion, new CBA, or with reasonable retention (it’s a massive difference in salary 1 year out)

    11) The put Pool with one of RNH/Drai/McD for 25 games

    12) If they trade D like Benning and Russel, it’s to get a net better D: not to open up space for multiples of Bear/Bouchard/Lagesson/Jones: only one at a time next year

    13) Prey like heck that Sek comes back to be the mentor for the one of above D

    14) They make some more moves with the new smart group that work out more like Chiasson and less like Strome/Spooner/Reider/Rattie: and when they bring that next batch in: they actually play them appropriately, and not 3 shifts with CmD, then 4rth line/press box

    15) The next group pitches us a plan, and that plan isn’t like this year’s post Chia firing “plan”

    16) They don’t allow Kailer/Benson/Marody to simply wow them in the pre-season and earn spots, rather they have plans for them, and they aren’t all up on day 1

    17) They don’t blow it up thinking that’s what they need to do to get 5-7 year run as an elite team

    18) At the end of next year: Sek is supplanted by some of the emerging D and you have confidence those D are ready based on more time in AHL/NHL grooming

    19) At the end of next year, you know have you have in the forwards in the system: Benson/Marody/Kailer/Pool etc, and they are slotted properly, or moved in magic bean upgrade trades, and the next crop plays in the AHL: McLeod, other junoir drafts, etc

  32. Westchester Oil says:

    OmJo: I absolutely bring Rieder back. The odds of him going two full seasons with 0 goals are basically non-existent IMO.

    He has all the makings for a value contract next season. Then again I doubt Nicholson would hire a GM who thinks bringing back Rieder is a good idea. He’s the reason we missed the playoffs after all.

    I’d be fine with signing Reider to a $750k contract. I suspect the man will be motivated.

  33. Lowetide says:

    HugThePost:
    It was a little bit before my time, but does anyone here know the timeline of when Bobby Orr’s knee injuries started to when he was forced to retire?I just know he retired before he hit 30.

    It’s a little bit of a sky-is-falling thought, but Bobby Orr being agent to The Next One whose career is cut down by knee injuries and it just so happened he playing for this pathetic org would be such an appropriate climax to this decades long tragedy horror story that the Oilers are continuing to pen.

    I just think that outside of winning the right to draft 97, the Oilers deserve everything that comes to them.

    I believe his first knee injury was as an NHL rookie, he tried to get past Marcel Pronovost and the veteran caught him. Orr’s issue was they kept cleaning all the cartilage out and leaving bone, which of course makes it difficult to skate. Modern surgery is, thankfully, less harmful.

  34. texmex says:

    Per Gregor

    McDavid injury not considered serious. They will wait for MRI confirmation, but as of now it looks promising. #Oilers

  35. flyfish1168 says:

    Ben: Based on history, what are the odds that Katz attributes any importance to (or has any understanding of) these perspectives?

    We now understand that wealth doesn’t trickle down. Incompetence, unfortunately, does.

    Their only hope, in my mind, is in hiring an independent firm to conduct the personnel search, rather than having Bobby Nicks share cobb salads with his rivals.

    I would like to know how hands-on Katz is. I would hope is not at all and leaves it up to the hockey guys. I do feel we have too many boys on the bus group on this team and it affects the hockey operations for any POHO or GM.

  36. flyfish1168 says:

    texmex:
    Per Gregor

    McDavid injury not considered serious. They will wait for MRI confirmation, but as of now it looks promising. #Oilers

    Hoping for just a deep bone bruise. That would be the best case scenario.

  37. v4ance says:

    https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/1114885832329113600

    Really nice gift from Caps players to Taylor Chorney who was placed on waivers on Feb 20th and was claimed by Columbus. Obviously they felt he contributed meaningfully to the team’s success…

  38. Silver Streak says:

    texmex,

    can you share his exact quote re the above please…..

  39. Dustylegnd says:

    HugThePost:
    It was a little bit before my time, but does anyone here know the timeline of when Bobby Orr’s knee injuries started to when he was forced to retire?I just know he retired before he hit 30.

    It’s a little bit of a sky-is-falling thought, but Bobby Orr being agent to The Next One whose career is cut down by knee injuries and it just so happened he playing for this pathetic org would be such an appropriate climax to this decades long tragedy horror story that the Oilers are continuing to pen.

    I just think that outside of winning the right to draft 97, the Oilers deserve everything that comes to them.

    1st knee injury was 1967 1st surgery was 68 and Orr was done as a player after somehow playing in the 1976 Canada cup and winning Tournament MVP

    Orr signed with Chicago in the fall of 1976 and played 20 games that season, he missed the entire 1977/78 season, played 6 games in 1978/79 and left the game broken and broke after spending freely and being ripped off by his agent Allan Eagelson.

    Remember, today’s surgical techniques vs the techniques of the 60’s and 70’s are exponentially better and less invasive …..there is no comparison and no story here, it would seem Connor has a deep bone bruise on his shin or a small fracture that will have to picked up via MRI

  40. Reja says:

    OmJo: McDavid

    Yea let’s reward a player up and down the lineup with every opportunity that’s on a crappy penalty kill with a grand total of wait for it ZERO GOALS the last time he went to the front of the net was the season before the Coyotes gave up on him.

  41. HugThePost says:

    Lowetide: I believe his first knee injury was as an NHL rookie, he tried to get past Marcel Pronovost and the veteran caught him. Orr’s issue was they kept cleaning all the cartilage out and leaving bone, which of course makes it difficult to skate. Modern surgery is, thankfully, less harmful.

    I hear you. Sounds like the injury is not as bad as it could have been thankfully.

    I’m sure many here would agree, today comes with a bunch of emotions but perhaps the common denominator is a degree of anger towards Katz et al.

  42. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    My analytics dream team for EDM:

    AGM Analytics – Tim Barnes
    VP Professional Player Analytics & Database – GMoney
    VP Amateur Player Analytics & Database – Mike Parkatti

    I agree with Gillis that there should be 4 AGMs under a GM.

    The duties that need to be split among the AGMs – Analytics, Cap Management, Contract Negotiation, Amateur Player Procurement, Professional Player Procurement, Maximum Athlete Performance, GM of AHL team, and lots of other stuff I’m sure I’m missing.

    G and Mike are older, mature men who have worked as Analytics professionals in the real world for years.

    Tim is currently Director of Analytics for WSH and AGM would be a promotion.

    All are (or were) Oiler fans and would pour themselves into it.

    Tim still has a soft spot for EDM. I bet he’d come.

  43. Scungilli Slushy says:

    condormcdavis:
    Last night’s takeout by Giordano was the culmination of officiating and the league allowing bush league plays on the games best player to go unpunished. Four years of it and here they are.

    What a shame.

    The team and the league and the officiating.

    Well put.

    Regardless of intent, players are supposed to be in control of their sticks.

    When a player develops a history of injuring other players I think the league needs to look at suspensions, no? This is 2 in 5 months (Koivu in December) for Giordano. Not the first two either I believe. He’s a hack plain and simple to me. Other players don’t repeatedly injure others and play a tough game.

    Godot made the point about dirty players, goofs like the nearly hysterical Button last night (who I’ve lost respect for) talk about ‘players playing hard’. But this is 2019. I don’t want to see anymore needless carnage, got my fill years ago.

    It looks really bad on the league to allow this any longer, good player committing the crime or not.

    Luckily I had a kid’s birthday so missed the game, I would have not been a very fun person to be around if I witnessed that. We wait, pins and needles for me.

    I wonder why in Canada we have to watch such obvious homers and incompetent broadcasters, given how core hockey is to Canada. Everything about the NHL is bush league.

  44. Reja says:

    When you hear Matt Hendricks Culture players of that kind I get it. That was embarrassing last night Flames fans are laughing took out Connor without a whimper going into the playoffs healthy. If the new GM signs deadbeats like a few on hear suggest Reider he’ll be shit canned in no time.

  45. Oilman99 says:

    condormcdavis:
    Last night’s takeout by Giordano was the culmination of officiating and the league allowing bush league plays on the games best player to go unpunished. Four years of it and here they are.

    What a shame.

    The team and the league and the officiating.

    Craig Buttonhead’s comments defending Giordano were totally disgusting,why this bonehead continues to get air time baffling. Oiler player gets penalty, Flame player gets nothing for two handed right in front of the blind ref WTF,that guy should never ref another game,definite bias against Oilers.

  46. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong but the high stick that knocked down drais hail mary was touched by the player who knocked it down right? So there’s nothing illegal about that play.

  47. jtblack says:

    “My analytics dream team for EDM:”

    POHO : Peter Chiarelli
    GM : Peter Chiarelli

    ANALYTICS HEAD: Peter Chiarelli
    ASST ANALYTICS: Peter Chiarelli

    What could go wrong?

  48. Oilman99 says:

    Lowetide: I believe his first knee injury was as an NHL rookie, he tried to get past Marcel Pronovost and the veteran caught him. Orr’s issue was they kept cleaning all the cartilage out and leaving bone, which of course makes it difficult to skate. Modern surgery is, thankfully, less harmful.

    Orr’s first knee injury was in junior,played on one leg against Oil Kings in memorial cup, western media was raving how Al Hamilton was a better player than Orr based on their play in that series.

  49. ThereIsNoSpoon says:

    How about Ken Hitchcock as the new GM? He said he only wanted to coach for a year so give him something different to do. He knows hockey. He knows the league. He knows the players. Everyone knows him and respects him…

  50. dustrock says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Different sport obviously but that’s a straight red in soccer.

    There’s a 10% chance Giordano gets the puck but a 100% he takes out McDavid going full speed. But again, the NHL is not serious about protecting players.

    And thanks for coming out Milan Lucic. According to Remenda just 3 days ago, Looch was part of the reason McDavid and Draisaitl got 100 points.

    I rolled my eyes so hard I almost dislocated my skull.

  51. flyfish1168 says:

    jtblack:
    “My analytics dream team for EDM:”

    POHO :Peter Chiarelli
    GM :Peter Chiarelli

    ANALYTICS HEAD: Peter Chiarelli
    ASST ANALYTICS: Peter Chiarelli

    What could go wrong?

    + CAP specialist

  52. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Yes need a bigger staff for sure.

    Madness to me in soccer as well they let the managers coach and pick players.

  53. Dustylegnd says:

    Oilman99: Orr’s first knee injury was in junior,played on one leg against Oil Kings in memorial cup, western media was raving how Al Hamilton was a better player than Orr based on their play in that series.

    That was a groin injury not a knee injury

  54. leadfarmer says:

    texmex:
    Per Gregor

    McDavid injury not considered serious. They will wait for MRI confirmation, but as of now it looks promising. #Oilers

    Bone bruise? Please baby Jesus

  55. leadfarmer says:

    Guessing they look at a rule change in the offseason about not leaving your feet to make a play unless the puck is in front of you such as blocking a shot

  56. leadfarmer says:

    ThereIsNoSpoon:
    How about Ken Hitchcock as the new GM?He said he only wanted to coach for a year so give him something different to do.He knows hockey.He knows the league.He knows the players.Everyone knows him and respects him…

    Oh god no!!!!

  57. OmJo says:

    Reja: Yea let’s reward a player up and down the lineup with every opportunity that’son a crappy penalty kill witha grandtotal of wait for itZERO GOALS the last time he went to the front of the netwas the season before the Coyotes gave up on him.

    I wouldn’t consider a pay decrease as a reward lol.

  58. OmJo says:

    ThereIsNoSpoon:
    How about Ken Hitchcock as the new GM?He said he only wanted to coach for a year so give him something different to do.He knows hockey.He knows the league.He knows the players.Everyone knows him and respects him…

    Give him whatever position they gave Pat Quinn after relieving him of his duties.

  59. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Full agreement across the board. Nice post.

  60. JimmyV1965 says:

    Nicholson deserves to be criticized for his comments about Rieder, but the team is hardly missing out on some amazing value contract. The guy scored 0 goals. You can sign a dozen guys on PTOs who will bring just as much value. In fact, when August rolls around, Rieder will be fishing around for a PTO himself.

  61. Scungilli Slushy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Guessing they look at a rule change in the offseason about not leaving your feet to make a play unless the puck is in front of you such as blocking a shot

    I have no problem with extending the stick ahead of himself, but the replay to me (I haven’t re-watched it yet) looked like there was also arm contact as he swiped his stick across.

    Hitch was right, a dangerous play given Giordano was beat clean and Connor was cutting hard to the net. I can’t think of another sport where that type of play is a clean play. Especially when it causes injury.

    The oft mentioned punishment should be the offender sits as long as the injured player if the play was deemed reckless etc.

  62. JimmyV1965 says:

    HugThePost:
    It was a little bit before my time, but does anyone here know the timeline of when Bobby Orr’s knee injuries started to when he was forced to retire?I just know he retired before he hit 30.

    It’s a little bit of a sky-is-falling thought, but Bobby Orr being agent to The Next One whose career is cut down by knee injuries and it just so happened he playing for this pathetic org would be such an appropriate climax to this decades long tragedy horror story that the Oilers are continuing to pen.

    I just think that outside of winning the right to draft 97, the Oilers deserve everything that comes to them.

    I’m no doctor, but I suspect Bobby Orr’s treatment options were not quite substantial as they would be today.

  63. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Nicholson deserves to be criticized for his comments about Rieder, but the team is hardly missing out on some amazing value contract. The guy scored 0 goals. You can sign a dozen guys on PTOs who will bring just as much value. In fact, when August rolls around, Rieder will be fishing around for a PTO himself.

    Except Reider has a track record of being a useful bottom 6 player.

    Bad teams ditch players like that after one bad year that they largely caused. Like the Lsrsson chatter.

    I’m not saying he’s awesome, but he can skate, plays a responsible game according to the coach who’s a hard ass, and has been a plus PKer. He’ll want out though.

    This is where an analytics dept is useful. One that isn’t just spitting out home made coach’s stats.

  64. condormcdavis says:

    godot10,

    Meh… I’ve seen that play happen twice a game all year for McDavid’s career as an Oiler.

    My point was:

    The narrative of player safety in the NHL was,for me, neatly wrapped up in that play last night.

    Penalty on the play. Player A was seriously injured due to Player B intentionally attempting to wipe out a guy that beat you wide by a country mile.

    If I believed the NHL and its officials had an ounce of integrity. Giordano would have been tossed for intent to injure and he should have been on the horn with the league this morning, discussing a suspension for a minimum of two games.

    For me, another reason to pay less attention to the game. (Which is becoming easier to do these days)

  65. SkatinginSand says:

    flyfish1168: Hoping for just a deep bone bruise. That would be the best case scenario.

    Bone bruises can be worse than a break. I once had a bone bruise on my heel and it was almost a year before I could walk completely pain free.

  66. OmJo says:

    Not a stalker, I swear lol. Read over Woodguys post on Chiarelli citing Russell as having a positive impact on shooting %, shots and goals.

    Anyhoo… Mr. Noswoodamus said the following in the comments…

    To fit Russell under the cap they’d have to trade Sekera or Klefbom.

    You can’t pay 5 Dmen over $4MM and have enough left over to have quality forwards.

    It’s as if Chiarelli read the post and thought “Challenge accepted!”… unfortunately he failed the challenge. Besides squeezing Russell in without trading Sekera or Klefbom – thanks mostly to Sekera being LTIRd.

  67. Bag of Pucks says:

    Just wanted to take a moment to share my full appreciation for the way Connor McDavid plays the game. In a completely meaningless contest, he drives the net with absolute courage, will and recklessness. The body lean, the coordination to grab Giordano’s stick and push it away, the ability to keep the head up and control the puck, and the speed, always the speed. McDavid attacks the net like a great white shark. A lethal weapon.

    9 times out of 10 a Norris calibre defencemen knocks that puck off the blade but Connor changes the physics of the game. And in an even more meaningless game for the Flames, Giordano never lets up on the play. Diving for the puck at that speed? That’s some kind of crazy commitment to compete.

    A good old fashioned hockey play that’s the equivalent of two F1 champions battling through a corner, neither giving an inch.

    Sincerely hope Connor’s injury is relatively minor as the play deserves nothing less.

  68. Professor Q says:

    When I played in the 1990s, the nets we had didn’t have the flexible pegs. I actually didn’t know the name of Marsh Pegs until today, but they looked pretty cool and innovative.

    Anyway, our captain went into the post in a similar manner to McDavid and Stamkos, although his leg was straight and perpendicular to it, and he was sliding into the net at a high speed.

    We, a team of 8 and 9 year olds (and parents, of course), saw his one leg break into a 90° angle. Yes, a cloudy dream-like moment that wasn’t fun.

    He eventually was able to visit us in the locker room for our final game that season, and had a special wheelchair that looked like it had some hospital bed aspects to it (straight leg).

    Thank goodness for Marsh Pegs!

  69. OmJo says:

    leadfarmer:
    Guessing they look at a rule change in the offseason about not leaving your feet to make a play unless the puck is in front of you such as blocking a shot

    Can they extend that rule to apply even if the puck is in front of you?

    End the Russell star fish! It’s becoming contagious!

  70. McSorley33 says:

    HT Joe,

    We just watched a player in the National Hockey League go a full season
    ( yes, some injury games lost) and score 0 goals.

    On a team with McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH.

    Were you wanting to bring Tobias back?

  71. Jethro Tull says:

    Off to Vancouver for a course for a week!

  72. Professor Q says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    Correct me if I’m wrong but the high stick that knocked down drais hail mary was touched by the player who knocked it down right? So there’s nothing illegal about that play.

    I thought if it happens with an EN, it counts as a Goal?

  73. OmJo says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Nicholson deserves to be criticized for his comments about Rieder, but the team is hardly missing out on some amazing value contract. The guy scored 0 goals. You can sign a dozen guys on PTOs who will bring just as much value. In fact, when August rolls around, Rieder will be fishing around for a PTO himself.

    He has the potential to be a value contract. Like with Chaisson.

    Somebody will sign him, I’m sure. I wouldn’t be surprised if the rest of the league acknowledges that with players here, there is something in the water that causes them to have career ending seasons.

    He’s 26 years old. I think he can still be a 15 goals scorer.

    And if he can’t, then you waive him. At near league minimum there’s very little if any risk.

  74. Dustylegnd says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Just wanted to take a moment to share my full appreciation for the way Connor McDavid plays the game. In a completely meaningless contest, he drives the net with absolute courage, will and recklessness. The body lean, the coordination to grab Giordano’s stick and push it away, the ability to keep the head up and control the puck, and the speed, always the speed. McDavid attacks the net like a great white shark. A lethal weapon.

    9 times out of 10 a Norris calibre defencemen knocks that puck off the blade but Connor changes the physics of the game. And in an even more meaningless game for the Flames, Giordano never lets up on the play. Diving for the puck at that speed? That’s some kind of crazy commitment to compete.

    A good old fashioned hockey play that’s the equivalent of two F1 champions battling through a corner, neither giving an inch.

    Sincerely hope Connor’s injury is relatively minor as the play deserves nothing less.

    Well said, no intent to do harm in my opinion, Gio is relentless on the ice and also very honest

  75. Bag of Pucks says:

    Folks, at the speed of that play, Giordano doesn’t have time to think dirty play or not. Motive does not exist in that instant. It’s purely reflex and react.

    This is the standard fan thing to do to look at something that’s happening in nano seconds and act as if his actions can be more measured. NHL players aren’t conditioned to quit on plays when they may or may not be beaten and that’s impossible for Gio to determine in real-time at the speed of the play. Let’s be a little more appreciative of the challenge of the task and the courage of the men who willingly race to the danger areas like this,

    Giordano’s mistake is he’s reacting at a speed that would work against normal mortals and Connor is anything but. I bet Giordano looks at that replay and he’s amazed that Connor tossed away his stick so easily. Any other player and he likely sweeps that puck away.

  76. SkatinginSand says:

    Dustylegnd,

    Given the relative positions of Giordano and the puck, there was almost zero chance of him even touching it. (and he didn’t come close)

    Even if he did, it is still illegal, dangerous and stupid, because there was a 100% chance that he would take McDavid off of his feet.

  77. JimmyV1965 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Except Reider has a track record of being a useful bottom 6 player.

    Bad teams ditch players like that after one bad year that they largely caused. Like the Lsrsson chatter.

    I’m not saying he’s awesome, but he can skate, plays a responsible game according to the coach who’s a hard ass, and has been a plus PKer.He’ll want out though.

    This is where an analytics dept is useful. One that isn’t just spitting out home made coach’s stats.

    Bad teams sign guys like Rieder, hoping he can fill a top six role. Don’t get me wrong, I liked the signing, but bad teams put themselves in a situation where they sign a guy for $2 mill and hope he can play in the top 6. Teams of all stripes move on from guys like Rieder every year. He scored 0 goals. Like virtually every player in our bottom six, he is easily replaceable. Yes, an analytics dept is much needed. They would have probably warned the GM to not sign the guy in the first place. I think people need to separate his treatment by Nicholson from his play on the ice. To be clear, I would have no issue resigning Rieder on a PTO, but this is what he is, an easily replaceable player on the fringes of the NHL.

  78. OmJo says:

    Reja:
    When you hear Matt Hendricks Culture players of that kind I get it. That was embarrassing last night Flames fans are laughing took out Connor without a whimper going into the playoffs healthy. If the new GM signs deadbeats like a few on hear suggest Reider he’ll be shit canned in no time.

    Bob, is that you?

    If Rieder had 10-12 more fights last night, McDavid wouldn’t have gotten injured!

  79. Lowetide says:

    Oilman99: Orr’s first knee injury was in junior,played on one leg against Oil Kings in memorial cup, western media was raving how Al Hamilton was a better player than Orr based on their play in that series.

    I think that was a leg injury, not a knee.

  80. OmJo says:

    Jason Gregor
    @JasonGregor
    “I’d be a loser if I wasn’t frustrated. We want to win. I don’t want to go anywhere. If I didn’t want to be here I wouldn’t have signed for eight years,” McDavid. Puts an end to the idiotic thought he will ask for trade now. #Oilers

  81. Jethro Tull says:

    First German duo to break 50 goals.

  82. OmJo says:

    Jethro Tull:
    First German duo to break 50 goals.

    Ha!

  83. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    flyfish1168: I would like to know how hands-on Katz is. I would hope is not at all and leaves it up to the hockey guys. I do feel we have too many boys on the bus group on this team and it affects the hockey operations for any POHO or GM.

    A good owner finds his guy to run the franchise and trusts him.

    I think Katz is in this category, but he’s rolled snake eyes on the guy to trust.

    Starts out with Lowe as his guy.

    Heat gets too hot during rebuild and they hire Tambellini, but Lowe is still the guy.

    Time to start making the playoffs and build to the team so Tambo out, MacT in and Lowe and MacT are the guys.

    McDavid gets drafted. Someone with a lot of sway tells Katz “Lowe and MacT aren’t good enough”

    Katz had hosted Hockey Canada Management meetings at his place in Palm Springs and knows Nicholson and Chiarelli though that experience. If he asked other key people in the NHL (including the league) they all probably spoke highly of both.

    So Katz changes who he trusts to run his team to Nicholson and Chiarelli.

    4 years later and is a mess.

    He still has Nicholson to trust as his guy.

    I don’t think Nicholson is the right guy, but I think Katz got here trying to be a good owner and stay out of the way on most things not involving MacT.

  84. flyfish1168 says:

    SkatinginSand: Bone bruises can be worse than a break.I once had a bone bruise on my heel and it was almost a year before I could walk completely pain free.

    Yes depending on location. The heel is in direct weight bearing. Front of the tibia is not.

  85. JimmyV1965 says:

    OmJo: He has the potential to be a value contract. Like with Chaisson.

    Somebody will sign him, I’m sure. I wouldn’t be surprised if the rest of the league acknowledges that with players here, there is something in the water that causes them to have career ending seasons.

    He’s 26 years old. I think he can still be a 15 goals scorer.

    And if he can’t, then you waive him. At near league minimum there’s very little if any risk.

    I would have no issue signing Rieder on a PTO. That’s what he is. A PTO signing. No team is signing him to a contract this offseason. In fact, if we offered him a $1 mill contract he would probably jump at it because he knows he’s looking at a PTO. I simply don’t understand the hand wringing over losing a player who scored 0 goals. He is easily replaceable.

  86. Bag of Pucks says:

    SkatinginSand:
    Dustylegnd,

    Given the relative positions of Giordano and the puck, there was almost zero chance of him even touching it. (and he didn’t come close)

    Even if he did, it is still illegal, dangerous and stupid, because there was a 100% chance that he would take McDavid off of his feet.

    As long as I’ve been playing and watching hockey, if the defenceman’s stick can touch the puck, it’s not a dirty play. When Giordano dives for the puck, there is little enough separation between their sticks that the poke check is definitely in the realm of possibility. Connor simply defeats the poke check so easily with his left hand that he renders Giordano’s reasonable effort completely ineffectual.

    The play looks worse for Giordano simply because Connor is so fast. 42Kmph on that rush!

    But every forward driving the net hard knows that there’s the possibility of a Dman diving for the poke check. It’s the last desperation play in every D’s toolkit. That’s why Connor’s courage is so impressive. The possibility of a stick coming in front of your skates on that play has always existed as long as hockey’s been played. Take that away and they may as well be racing for a no touch icing call.

  87. dustrock says:

    Great to see McDavid walking in to speak to the media.

    Still have some worry he could have a ligament or tendon tear.

    He said he felt last night that the leg was in two. Thought maybe that was how he experienced the tear. Ruptured quad or something.

    I’m not normally a praying man, but…

  88. Dustylegnd says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    42mph on that rush I think you mean 42 km/h

  89. flyfish1168 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: A good owner finds his guy to run the franchise and trusts him.

    I think Katz is in this category, but he’s rolled snake eyes on the guy to trust.

    Starts out with Lowe as his guy.

    Heat gets too hot during rebuild and they hire Tambellini, but Lowe is still the guy.

    Time to start making the playoffs and build to the team to Tambo out, MacT in and Lowe and MacT are the guys.

    McDavid gets drafted.Someone with a lot of sway tells Katz “Lowe and MacT aren’t good enough”

    Katz had hosted Hockey Canada Management meeting at his place in Palm Springs and knows Nicholson and Chiarelli though that experience.If he asked other key people in the NHL (including the league) they all probably spoke highly of both.

    So Katz changes who he trusts to run his team to Nicholson and Chiarelli.

    4 years later and is a mess.

    He still has Nicholson to trust as his guy.

    I don’t think Nicholson is the right guy, but I think Katz got here trying to be a good owner and stay out of the way on most things not involving MacT.

    I agree with you. I don’t really get the sense he wants to be a Steinbrenner type owner. Jeffrey Vinik who use to run the Magellan mutual fund for Fidelity is probably one of the best and little known Owners who I really respect. Leaves it to the people who know the business. Canada is a tough market on anything hockey related. Maybe Katz is just unfortunate.

  90. OmJo says:

    JimmyV1965: I would have no issue signing Rieder on a PTO. That’s what he is. A PTO signing. No team is signing him to a contract this offseason. In fact, if we offered him a $1 mill contract he would probably jump at it because he knows he’s looking at a PTO. I simply don’t understand the hand wringing over losing a player who scored 0 goals. He is easily replaceable.

    It’s just for once I want this team to be on the receiving end of a bounce back year, rather the be the team a player is bouncing back from.

    I won’t cry over Rieder.

  91. Bag of Pucks says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Bag of Pucks,

    42mph on that rush I think you mean 42 km/h

    Thanks. Fixed it.

  92. Reja says:

    OmJo: Bob, is that you?

    If Rieder had 10-12 more fights last night, McDavid wouldn’t have gotten injured!

    Bob’s a nice guy just trying to keep the peace. Reider’s a nice guy that’s skates up and down the wing really fast but doesn’t bring anything else. Everybody’s nice that was so sweet of the Oilers to quietly finish out the game after poor Connor was injured.

  93. HT Joe says:

    McSorley33: Were you wanting to bring Tobias back?

    If he could be re-signed to a very low price, it could have been a reasonable 1-year move. The Oilers have lots of underwhelming players. Bounce back seems pretty likely.

    Regardless of whether or not the Oilers new GM wants to re-sign Rieder, my issue is that Nicholson is such a public doofus that he poisoned the well, essentially making the GM’s decision before a GM is even hired. Blaming a player for missing the playoffs at a season-ticket holder session is unprofessional and doesn’t bode well for future actions or decisions.

  94. flyfish1168 says:

    JimmyV1965: I would have no issue signing Rieder on a PTO. That’s what he is. A PTO signing. No team is signing him to a contract this offseason. In fact, if we offered him a $1 mill contract he would probably jump at it because he knows he’s looking at a PTO. I simply don’t understand the hand wringing over losing a player who scored 0 goals. He is easily replaceable.

    PTO or move on. We need to aim higher if we want to move up. We already know the ceiling of this player type. This year may be his start of the slippery slope downward as an actual NHL player. I would rather see some late cuts or a chance for 1 or 2 of your AHL players get a chance.

  95. HT Joe says:

    JimmyV1965: Bad teams sign guys like Rieder, hoping he can fill a top six role.

    Hang on, who’s proposing to have Rieder in a TOP six role?

  96. Pescador says:

    dustrock:
    Great to see McDavid walking in to speak to the media.

    Still have some worry he could have a ligament or tendon tear.

    He said he felt last night that the leg was in two.Thought maybe that was how he experienced the tear.Ruptured quad or something.

    I’m not normally a praying man, but…

    where did you see this at?

  97. HT Joe says:

    JimmyV1965: I simply don’t understand the hand wringing over losing a player who scored 0 goals.

    Who is wringing hands?

    *EDIT* to be clear, “wringing hands” implies worry or concern. I’m neither… I’m pissed off that Bob is alienating players needlessly.

  98. OmJo says:

    Look how annoyed Draisaitl got in the exit presser.

    Brutal (on the part of the media) trying to dig for some gold.

  99. Reja says:

    Bag of Pucks: As long as I’ve been playing and watching hockey, if the defenceman’s stick can touch the puck, it’s not a dirty play. When Giordano dives for the puck, there is little enough separation between their sticks that the poke check is definitely in the realm of possibility. Connor simply defeats the poke check so easily with his left hand that he renders Giordano’s reasonable effort completely ineffectual.

    The play looks worse for Giordano simply because Connor is so fast. 42Kmph on that rush!

    But every forward driving the net hard knows that there’s the possibility of a Dman diving for the poke check. It’s the last desperation play in every D’s toolkit. That’s why Connor’s courage is so impressive. The possibility of a stick coming in front of your skates on that play has always existed as long as hockey’s been played. Take that away and they may as well be racing for a no touch icing call.

    Plain and simple Connor has embarrassed Gio 4 or 5 times in the past he wasn’t gonna let him beat him on the outside without taking him out. Gio is sneaky dirty exactly what you want in a defenseman there needed to be a response the new GM better find some players that play for each other.

  100. Hairbag says:

    Bag of Pucks: As long as I’ve been playing and watching hockey, if the defenceman’s stick can touch the puck, it’s not a dirty play. When Giordano dives for the puck, there is little enough separation between their sticks that the poke check is definitely in the realm of possibility. Connor simply defeats the poke check so easily with his left hand that he renders Giordano’s reasonable effort completely ineffectual.

    The play looks worse for Giordano simply because Connor is so fast. 42mph on that rush!

    But every forward driving the net hard knows that there’s the possibility of a Dman diving for the poke check. It’s the last desperation play in every D’s toolkit. That’s why Connor’s courage is so impressive. The possibility of a stick coming in front of your skates has always existed as long as hockey’s been played. Take that away and they may as well be racing for a no touch icing call.

    +1

  101. Hairbag says:

    Woodguy v2.0: A good owner finds his guy to run the franchise and trusts him.

    I think Katz is in this category, but he’s rolled snake eyes on the guy to trust.

    Starts out with Lowe as his guy.

    Heat gets too hot during rebuild and they hire Tambellini, but Lowe is still the guy.

    Time to start making the playoffs and build to the team so Tambo out, MacT in and Lowe and MacT are the guys.

    McDavid gets drafted.Someone with a lot of sway tells Katz “Lowe and MacT aren’t good enough”

    Katz had hosted Hockey Canada Management meetings at his place in Palm Springs and knows Nicholson and Chiarelli though that experience.If he asked other key people in the NHL (including the league) they all probably spoke highly of both.

    So Katz changes who he trusts to run his team to Nicholson and Chiarelli.

    4 years later and is a mess.

    He still has Nicholson to trust as his guy.

    I don’t think Nicholson is the right guy, but I think Katz got here trying to be a good owner and stay out of the way on most things not involving MacT.

    +1

  102. leadfarmer says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Bag of Pucks,

    42mph on that rush I think you mean 42 km/h

    I’m pretty sure it was furlongs

  103. Bag of Pucks says:

    leadfarmer: I’m pretty sure it was furlongs

    He is a thoroughbred. A Secretariat that can stickhandle.

  104. who says:

    Dustylegnd: Well said, no intent to do harm in my opinion, Gio is relentless on the ice and also very honest

    Yeah I agree. It was a hard play, and a dangerous play, but I don’t see any intent to injure there.
    People who are saying that Giordano should have let up in a meaningless game need to ask themselves 1 question.
    Did it look like Connor was letting up?

  105. G Money says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    *blush*

    Love you too WG!

  106. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    If there is anything good that can come from the injury to McDavid, it will be a massive wake up call (reminder) to Katz that life can giveth and taketh away in the blink of an eye. Do not take the gifts you have been given for granted. Sort this shitty management organization out Once and for all and be thankful for what you have been given.

    Hope you get well soon Connor. I love watching you skate and play hockey!!

  107. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: The Oilers have a trio of Condors blue pushing and all three are tracking well. How does this group compare to the Petry, Chorney, Wild college men from a decade ago?

    https://theathletic.com/910063/2019/04/07/three-condors-defencemen-ready-to-push-to-the-next-level-as-edmonton-oilers/

  108. JimmyV1965 says:

    HT Joe: Hang on, who’s proposing to have Rieder in a TOP six role?

    That’s what his role was to start the season, when he was signed. What makes the 0 goals so egregious is the amount of time he spent in the top six earlier in the year.

  109. JimmyV1965 says:

    HT Joe: Who is wringing hands?

    *EDIT* to be clear, “wringing hands” implies worry or concern.I’m neither… I’m pissed off that Bob is alienating players needlessly.

    I think I was pretty clear stating we need to separate his treatment by Nicholson and his play on the ice. Two separate issues. He was treated poorly. He is easily replaceable on the ice and ideally will be replaced.

  110. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: A good owner finds his guy to run the franchise and trusts him.

    I think Katz is in this category, but he’s rolled snake eyes on the guy to trust.

    Starts out with Lowe as his guy.

    Heat gets too hot during rebuild and they hire Tambellini, but Lowe is still the guy.

    Time to start making the playoffs and build to the team so Tambo out, MacT in and Lowe and MacT are the guys.

    McDavid gets drafted.Someone with a lot of sway tells Katz “Lowe and MacT aren’t good enough”

    Katz had hosted Hockey Canada Management meetings at his place in Palm Springs and knows Nicholson and Chiarelli though that experience.If he asked other key people in the NHL (including the league) they all probably spoke highly of both.

    So Katz changes who he trusts to run his team to Nicholson and Chiarelli.

    4 years later and is a mess.

    He still has Nicholson to trust as his guy.

    I don’t think Nicholson is the right guy, but I think Katz got here trying to be a good owner and stay out of the way on most things not involving MacT.

    Nice post. I think the worst thing that can be said about Katz is that he’s neglectful. I’m not even sure that’s an issue because I really have no idea. The truly bad owners are almost always too involved with the day to day operations.

  111. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Tim is currently Director of Analytics for WSH and AGM would be a promotion.

    All are (or were) Oiler fans and would pour themselves into it.

    Tim still has a soft spot for EDM. I bet he’d come.

    I dont know the community of people well enough to comment on your selections, but I LOVE the logic of the last part where you bring in a guy with the requisite skills and experience and make him the AGM. Tim seems to have done well in Washington. Of course we would need to hire a GM who is FULLY COMMITED to the adoption of analytics throughout the organization ( we call this a Champion because he is comitted, not just to adopt/accept the effort, but to champion the effort).

    You get the added bonus that TIm (given the proper support) should be able to build/ replicate what he was a part of in Washington, in a comparatively short time. HOPEFULLY in time to affect the changes that are almost certain to occur this summer.

    For these very reasons, I think it is imperative to hire a guy away from a current organization who can hit the ground running, rather than taking a chance with someone new/inexperienced who would have a much steeper learning curve.

    Thanks for taking a stab at this. Please update your selections if additional/alternative “assets” become available or come to your attention. Other than the health of Connor perhaps nothing is more important to the future of the organization than the individual that heads up our future analytics dept.

    Interesting the the MSM (other than LT) doesnt cover/report on this type of effort in any detail. Surely a good sports reporter would be able to report on this in a reasonably comprehensive way, including the names a short bios/resumes of the resouces/ personnel who might be available (similar to what you have done here). Perhaps this is occuring ( Willis or others ) and Im just missing it?

  112. flyfish1168 says:

    Impress with Chaisson interview. I don’t mind him back. As long as he is aware he has to sign a friendly contract and work on his speed.

  113. Georgexs says:

    Here are some summary stats for playoff teams this season:

    .618: Average P%

    .695: Average P% against non-playoff teams

    .539: Average P% against playoff teams

    Playoff teams make hay against the non-playoff teams (114 point pace) and play a little worse than average against playoff teams (88 point pace). 91 points is about what an average team manages over a season.

    For the record, the Oilers played at a 101 point pace against non-playoff teams and a 60 point pace against playoff teams.

    One quirk about being a playoff team is you end up playing fewer games against playoff teams (because you’re one of them). And, if you’re a playoff team from a division that qualifies just 3 teams, you play even fewer games against playoff teams.

    The Oilers, for example, played 44 games against playoff teams. The Flames played 39.

    The Hawks, meanwhile, played 47 games against playoff teams.

    Let’s look at the P% against playoff teams for the teams who are left:

    .731, TBL
    .655, STL
    .603, BOS
    .577, CGY
    .548, WPG
    .538, SJS
    .537, WSH
    .524, NYI
    .523, NSH
    .500, CBJ
    .500, TOR
    .488, DAL
    .439, CAR
    .436, VGK
    .429, COL

    To provide some context, let’s look at the numbers from the previous season:

    .726, NSH
    .650, VGK
    .646, WPG
    .615, BOS
    .603, TBL
    .585, WSH
    .561, ANA
    .549, MIN
    .538, COL
    .537, PIT
    .537, LAK
    .524, NJD
    .513, TOR
    .500, PHI
    .488, CBJ
    .475, SJS

    Maybe there’s something there, maybe there isn’t. But STL should be a tough out for WPG.

  114. OmJo says:

    flyfish1168:
    Impress with Chaisson interview. I don’t mind him back. As long as he is aware he has to sign a friendly contract and work on his speed.

    I love how his interview was twice as long as everybody else’s lol.

    But I think Chiasson isn’t gonna budge on term. He emphasized that. Will he take a more cap friendly (no pun intended) contract for term?

    Also, I kinda feel bad for Lucic. Really wish he didn’t have such a hideous contract.

    The thing about these interviews as opposed to meaningless pre-/post-game interviews is they remind you these players are human. IMO.

  115. Andy Dufresne says:

    v4ance:
    George Richards @GeorgeRichards

    #FlaPanthers say they want a coach with ‘Stanley Cup pedigree’ and have an owner who wants and says he is willing to pay Joel Quenneville.Press conference Monday.

    Not telegraphing too much are they?

    Im guessing Quennville will follow a process similar to what Babcock followed. He will have a short list of teams he will meet with. Perhaps as little as 2 or 3.

    He stated his over-riding priority is to sign on with a “contender”

    As V4ANCE posted above:

    “Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie

    For now, there are seven official head coach vacancies: ANA, EDM, FLA, LA, OTT, PHI, STL:”

    Which of these 7 will Quennville view as a potential contender. I would think not ANA, LA, or Ottawa.

    So it would seem that with McDavid and Draisaitl, A Rich Owner, a World Class Facility, A Hockey Market; and a reasonable Development System/AHL Farm Team. Quennville would have Edmonton somewhere in the top 4 of his list.

    AND Quennville is in demand enough that he could take a wait and see approach. He could wait to see what each of these teams does in the first month of the summer before he makes his decision.

    Quennville will probably be prioritizing Roster Talent and Depth but most important to him might be the GM and Owner and his faith in them.

    Would it be possible to pick Quennville’s brain in an intital interview as to his ideas about “elite” GM’s?

  116. OmJo says:

    Nuge venting about the Macblender employed by both TMac and Hitch.

    Listen to the man!

  117. Andy Dufresne says:

    tileguy:
    Gravel looks like the perfect 7 Dman, can tolerate long spells in the pressbox then come out and play a decent game. I think he has value, although not sure if it is as a #7, a trade chip or as a player who can progress.

    Agreed. We have signed Petrovic, Garrison, Manning , Wideman looking for a guy like Gravel. Keep as your number 7.

  118. Georgexs says:

    A lot happened last night.

    I Ctrl-F’d ‘koski” on this page and got nothing.

    Poor guy. He had a fantastic game. Made saves that a quality starter makes.

    Glad he got a game off before this.

    Hope.

  119. Andy Dufresne says:

    OmJo:
    Jason Gregor
    @JasonGregor
    “I’d be a loser if I wasn’t frustrated. We want to win. I don’t want to go anywhere. If I didn’t want to be here I wouldn’t have signed for eight years,” McDavid. Puts an end to the idiotic thought he will ask for trade now. #Oilers

    YES. Take that Toronto Sports Network and the rest of you Eastern Biased Bozo’s!

  120. Oilman99 says:

    v4ance:
    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie

    For now, there are seven official head coach vacancies: ANA, EDM, FLA, LA, OTT, PHI, STL:

    Oilers are in a dicey situation, by the time they get a new POHO,and GM, their choices for coach could be slim pickings.

  121. Georgexs says:

    Bag of Pucks: He is a thoroughbred. A Secretariat that can stickhandle.

    I’m trying to picture this…

    OK. Awesome. A stickhandling Secretariat is exactly what this team needs.

    Move b****, get out the way…

  122. Alpine says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Lol, Quenneville not Babcock, I assume?

  123. Andy Dufresne says:

    Georgexs: .731, TBL
    .655, STL
    .603, BOS
    .577, CGY

    Excellent Post. Thank You.

    IF I was in a playoff pool those are the four teams I would choose from

    .731, TBL
    .655, STL
    .603, BOS
    .577, CGY

  124. HT Joe says:

    JimmyV1965: HT JOE

    To be clear, are we in agreement that nobody is proposing for Rieder to be re-signed to fill a top 6 role moving forward?

  125. Alpine says:

    I hope Boudreau shakes loose but it doesn’t seem likely. People will point out his first round exits, but he was one win away from a SCF in 2015.

  126. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Georgexs,

    – Haha – I see what you did there

    – When Koski doesn’t let in too many goals well he’s on a heater. When Koski gets scored upon he’s a real bad goalie.

    – When they lose it’s because he’s awful and when they win its despite him. There is not the appropriate recognition when he plays well only amplification when he doesn’t.

    – Yesterday the team played well. But when they don’t its in Koski most. He lets in the goals.

    – Koski is inconsistent. But that’s on him. The teams inconsistency : that has no bearing on his play.

  127. Oilman99 says:

    OmJo: I love how his interview was twice as long as everybody else’s lol.

    But I think Chiasson isn’t gonna budge on term. He emphasized that. Will he take a more cap friendly (no pun intended) contract for term?

    Also, I kinda feel bad for Lucic. Really wish he didn’t have such a hideous contract.

    The thing about these interviews as opposed to meaningless pre-/post-game interviews is they remind you these players are human. IMO.

    Chiasson is at an age where he needs to get as much money in the bank as quickly as possible to plan for retirement,so he cant let emotions dictate whether he stays or not.

  128. Andy Dufresne says:

    Alpine:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Lol, Quenneville not Babcock, I assume?

    Right you are! I dont know why Im always in such a hurry to hit “post”. I need to do more proof reading.

  129. HT Joe says:

    JimmyV1965: I think I was pretty clear stating we need to separate his treatment by Nicholson and his play on the ice. Two separate issues. He was treated poorly. He is easily replaceable on the ice and ideally will be replaced.

    I’m also treating this as 2 separate issues. I think everyone is. What I asked was “who is wringing hands”.

  130. hunter1909 says:

    OmJo: But I think Chiasson isn’t gonna budge on term. He emphasized that. Will he take a more cap friendly (no pun intended) contract for term?

    40 point players demanding long term deals…any GM who gives in to this is a loser who will never get far in his profession.

  131. Oilman99 says:

    Lowetide: I think that was a leg injury, not a knee.

    Being an old dinosaur that listened to that series on the radio that year,i’m pretty sure it was a knee.

  132. OmJo says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Georgexs,

    – Haha – I see what you did there

    – When Koski doesn’t let in too many goals well he’s on a heater. When Koski gets scored upon he’s a real bad goalie.

    – When they lose it’s because he’s awful and when they win its despite him.There is not the appropriate recognition when he plays well only amplification when he doesn’t.

    – Yesterday the team played well. But when they don’t its in Koski most. He lets in the goals.

    – Koski is inconsistent. But that’s on him. The teams inconsistency : that has no bearing on his play.

    Not sure who’s saying that but they’re not right lol.

    Ofc every game is different and depending on the game some of those apply.

    For example, if the Oilers win 5-4 and Koskinen let in 4 weak goals, then sure, they won despite him.

    If they lose 0-4 and Koskinen let in 4 weak goals, well, you scored 0 so you can’t pin that entirely on him however he isn’t guiltless either.

    If they lose 4-5 and Koskinen let in 5 weak goals, well sure, you can blame him primarily for the loss.

  133. OmJo says:

    hunter1909: 40 point players demanding long term deals…any GM who gives in to this is a loser who will never get far in his profession.

    Peter Chiarelli says hi.

    Oh, wait…

  134. Bryan says:

    Oilman99: Being an old dinosaur that listened to that series on the radio that year,i’m pretty sure it was a knee.

    http://chlteamofthecentury.ca/1966-edmonton-oil-kings

    It says here it was a groin that he injured in practice.

  135. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Guessing they look at a rule change in the offseason about not leaving your feet to make a play unless the puck is in front of you such as blocking a shot

    I think there should be a rule that if you leave your feet and take down another player to the ice, it should be a penalty shot, wherever it happens. I think it is a dangerous play that you can take out of the game.

  136. Gerta Rauss says:

    Georgexs: I Ctrl-F’d ‘koski” on this page and got nothing.

    Poor guy. He had a fantastic game. Made saves that a quality starter makes

    I think if you did a search on yesterday’s page you’ll find 1 comment around 10:30

    He played well and definitely contributed to the win

    I think after the Connor injury people were focused elsewhere, and rightfully so

  137. JimmyV1965 says:

    OmJo:
    Nuge venting about the Macblender employed by both TMac and Hitch.

    Listen to the man!

    No one on this team has put up with more crap line mates than RNH. A revolving door of putrid. If this team sucks again next year, and he’s forced to play with a revolving door of fourth liners, I find it unlikely he signs next July and a distinct possibility that he walks two years from now.

  138. Reja says:

    Oilman99: Craig Buttonhead’s comments defending Giordano were totally disgusting,why this bonehead continues to get air time baffling. Oiler player gets penalty, Flame player gets nothing for two handed right in front of the blind ref WTF,that guy should never ref another game,definite bias against Oilers.

    Craig Button is a Shrill for his beloved Flames

  139. godot10 says:

    Professor Q:
    When I played in the 1990s, the nets we had didn’t have the flexible pegs. I actually didn’t know the name of Marsh Pegs until today, but they looked pretty cool and innovative.

    Anyway, our captain went into the post in a similar manner to McDavid and Stamkos, although his leg was straight and perpendicular to it, and he was sliding into the net at a high speed.

    We, a team of 8 and 9 year olds (and parents, of course), saw his one leg break into a 90° angle. Yes, a cloudy dream-like moment that wasn’t fun.

    He eventually was able to visit us in the locker room for our final game that season, and had a special wheelchair that looked like it had some hospital bed aspects to it (straight leg).

    Thank goodness for Marsh Pegs!

    Glenn Anderson took the puck to the net with speed when the game had anchored posts. He is one of the most courageous (or crazy, depending on your point of view) players to ever play the game. I swear, defensemen would often let up when battling him because they were afraid of the posts.

  140. ArmchairGM says:

    I had wine last night as well. The grapes were grown in a small town in France called Triac in the mid-sixties, distilled and warehoused in Jarnac for 2 generations prior to being bottled. The end result has been in my cellar for about 5 years and the flavor is absolutely stunning.

  141. godot10 says:

    McSorley33:
    HT Joe,

    We just watched a player in the National Hockey League go a full season
    ( yes, some injury games lost) and score 0 goals.

    On a team with McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH.

    Were you wanting to bring Tobias back?

    I’d bring him back at under a million. I don’t think either coach really used him properly. And then he lost confidence.

  142. JimmyV1965 says:

    HT Joe: I’m also treating this as 2 separate issues.I think everyone is.What I asked was “who is wringing hands”.

    There were multiple comments expressing concern about our inability to resign Rieder at a value contract because the way he was treated by Nicholson. That’s what I’m referring to as hand wringing.

  143. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: A good owner finds his guy to run the franchise and trusts him.

    I think Katz is in this category, but he’s rolled snake eyes on the guy to trust.

    Starts out with Lowe as his guy.

    Heat gets too hot during rebuild and they hire Tambellini, but Lowe is still the guy.

    Time to start making the playoffs and build to the team so Tambo out, MacT in and Lowe and MacT are the guys.

    McDavid gets drafted.Someone with a lot of sway tells Katz “Lowe and MacT aren’t good enough”

    Katz had hosted Hockey Canada Management meetings at his place in Palm Springs and knows Nicholson and Chiarelli though that experience.If he asked other key people in the NHL (including the league) they all probably spoke highly of both.

    So Katz changes who he trusts to run his team to Nicholson and Chiarelli.

    4 years later and is a mess.

    He still has Nicholson to trust as his guy.

    I don’t think Nicholson is the right guy, but I think Katz got here trying to be a good owner and stay out of the way on most things not involving MacT.

    Lowetide once told us the story of Mike Illitch and the Detroit Red Wings. History rhymes.

  144. godot10 says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Bag of Pucks,

    42mph on that rush I think you mean 42 km/h

    McDavid did the Kessel Run in 8 parsecs.

  145. Reja says:

    JimmyV1965: There were multiple comments expressing concern about our inability to resign Rieder at a value contract because the way he was treated by Nicholson. That’s what I’m referring to as hand wringing.

    The new GM is not resigning Reider what is the fascination with him is it because Bob made a true but dumb comment and they feel sorry for him.

  146. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: I think there should be a rule that if you leave your feet and take down another player to the ice, it should be a penalty shot, wherever it happens.I think it is a dangerous play that you can take out of the game.

    I could see pros & cons either way.

    The NFL has taken steps to open up offense this way, limiting the contact areas for DBs and reducing the hand checking/fighting.

    I just feel bad for the defender when you take away tools from an already tough job.

    Can you imagine skating backwards with McDavid bearing down on you? You and he both know you’re eventually going to have to pivot to try in vain to match his speed. That turn is Connor’s signal to blow by the D. That’s his ‘blood in the water.’

    The problem with penalizing leaving the feet is it becomes a discretionary penalty where you have to decide intent between accidental and purposeful. Penalize players for simply being off their skates and Taylor Hall would’ve led the league in PIMs. Dude fell a LOT.

    I love Connor’s interview today btw where he confirms he’s paid $100 M to drive the net hard and he ain’t changing a thing. D around the league swearing under their breath no doubt.

  147. dustrock says:

    Think I’ve probably asked this before but does the CBA allow for performance bonus laden contracts? How does it work with the cap?

    Can you give a guy like Chiasson $1.5m but the ability to get an extra $500K for every 10.goals he scores?

  148. Gerta Rauss says:

    godot10: McDavid did the Kessel Run in 8 parsecs.

    lol

  149. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: I could see pros & cons either way.

    The NFL has taken steps to open up offense this way, limiting the contact areas for DBs and reducing the hand checking/fighting.

    I just feel bad for the defender when you take away tools from an already tough job.

    Can you imagine skating backwards with McDavid bearing down on you? You and he both know you’re eventually going to have to pivot to try in vain to match his speed. That turn is Connor’s signal to blow by the D. That’s his ‘blood in the water.’

    The problem with penalizing leaving the feet is it becomes a discretionary penalty where you have to decide intent between accidental and purposeful. Penalize players for simply being off their skates and Taylor Hall would’ve led the league in PIMs. Dude fell a LOT.

    I love Connor’s interview today btw where he confirms he’s paid $100 M to drive the net hard and he ain’t changing a thing. D around the league swearing under their breath no doubt.

    There is not enough scoring in the NHL. One can take a dangerous play out of the game, and increase offense at the same time, which changing the goalie pads or the net size.

    The rule change would also take slower and sneaky dirty players out of the game, making it more star friendly.

    If you leave your feet and take down another player, it should be a penalty shot.

  150. Gerta Rauss says:

    dustrock:
    Think I’ve probably asked this before but does the CBA allow for performance bonus laden contracts? How does it work with the cap?

    Can you give a guy like Chiasson $1.5m but the ability to get an extra $500K for every 10.goals he scores?

    Bonuses like that are only allowed on age 35+ contracts

    And the AAV is stated assuming ALL the bonuses are reached, and only calculated downward at the end of the season (assuming the player doesn’t reach certain thresholds)

  151. OmJo says:

    JimmyV1965: No one on this team has put up with more crap line mates than RNH. A revolving door of putrid. If this team sucks again next year, and he’s forced to play with a revolving door of fourth liners, I find it unlikely he signs next July and a distinct possibility that he walks two years from now.

    What I got from his interview is if there isn’t playoffs next year, he’s gone.

    And I don’t blame him one bit. A decade of this bullshit is a lot to swallow. That’s half his career, wasted.

  152. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Just wanted to take a moment to share my full appreciation for the way Connor McDavid plays the game. In a completely meaningless contest, he drives the net with absolute courage, will and recklessness. The body lean, the coordination to grab Giordano’s stick and push it away, the ability to keep the head up and control the puck, and the speed, always the speed. McDavid attacks the net like a great white shark. A lethal weapon.

    9 times out of 10 a Norris calibre defencemen knocks that puck off the blade but Connor changes the physics of the game. And in an even more meaningless game for the Flames, Giordano never lets up on the play. Diving for the puck at that speed? That’s some kind of crazy commitment to compete.

    A good old fashioned hockey play that’s the equivalent of two F1 champions battling through a corner, neither giving an inch.

    Sincerely hope Connor’s injury is relatively minor as the play deserves nothing less.

    Two F1 champs where one has the inside track & the other guy runs him into the infield wall. NASCAR more like it.

  153. HT Joe says:

    JimmyV1965: There were multiple comments expressing concern about our inability to resign Rieder at a value contract because the way he was treated by Nicholson. That’s what I’m referring to as hand wringing.

    So you can’t name one person who was really wringing their hands? You’re just vaguely reading comments, extrapolating, assigning emotion where none exists, and then accusing the group as a whole. Gotcha.

  154. Georgexs says:

    I’ve posted before on the correlation between team CF% and GF% at 5v5 over the past few seasons.

    I’ve used corsica data in the past but I’ve been sticking to NST lately.

    I’m also going to switch from correlation between 5v5 CF% and GF% to correlation between 5v5 CF% and P%. I think this gets us closer to seeing how well winning the corsi battle @ 5v5 lines up with overall results in the standings.

    Here are the numbers:

    Season, Correlation between 5v5 CF% and P%

    07-08, .47
    08-09, .67
    09-10, .66
    10-11, .49
    11-12, .59
    12-13, .39
    13-14, .50
    14-15, .54
    15-16, .50
    16-17, .40
    17-18, .36
    18-19, .65

    I’ve been following the decrease over the past couple of seasons in the relationship between CF% and success for the team. This year we see something different. The relationship between winning at corsi and winning in the standings is as strong as it was when the early analytics guys were digging into the data and writing up their findings in the pioneering blogs.

    When I say “as strong” it’s not quite the same thing as saying the relationship is strong because it’s not. It’s just at the same level this season as it used to be back in the day. Which is a nice twist that deserves more investigation.

    Here’s what’s been happening with the Oiler CF% @ 5v5

    Season, 5v5 CF% (HC)

    07-08, 46.4 (MacT)
    08-09, 47.6
    09-10, 45.0 (Quinn)
    10-11, 46.4 (Renney)
    11-12, 47.3
    12-13, 44.6 (Krueger)
    13-14, 44.3 (Eakins)
    14-15, 48.0 (Eakins/Nelson)
    15-16, 48.9 (TMac)
    16-17, 50.0
    17-18, 50.6
    18-19, 48.0 (TMac/Hitch)

    TMac gave us our only 50+ CF% seasons. Under Hitch, we again became a sub-50 CF% team.

    Finally, here’s the CF% of the playoff teams:

    54.9, SJS
    54.8, CAR
    54.4, VGK
    53.8, CGY
    53.1, BOS
    52.2, NSH
    51.7, TOR
    51.6, TBL
    51.5, STL
    50.2, CBJ
    49.9, COL
    49.7, PIT
    49.0, WSH
    49.0, WPG
    48.3, DAL
    47.9, NYI

  155. Dustylegnd says:

    Oilman99: Being an old dinosaur that listened to that series on the radio that year,i’m pretty sure it was a knee.

    Oshawa’s hopes in the 1966 Memorial Cup Final were damaged when Orr suffered a groin injury against Shawinigan, an injury that is painful and weakens a player’s skating ability.[24] To promote the event, held in Toronto’s Maple Leaf Gardens, the Generals had advertised it would be the last chance to see Orr in junior and were anxious for him to play.[24] Bruins’ management demanded Orr not play in the Final, not wanting to risk further damage to their property. Orr and his parents, however, were adamant he be allowed to play for the national championship. As he had not signed to the Bruins, they threatened he would never play for Boston if he was held out. Blair decided to defy the Bruins’ ownership and let Orr play. While Orr dressed and played some, he was not a factor and Edmonton defeated Oshawa for the Cup. Oshawa coach Bep Guidolin was fired for letting Orr play, while Blair left the organization of his own accord to join the expansion Minnesota North Stars.[25]

  156. OriginalPouzar says:

    The damn injury is outshing a major, major accomplishment by Leon Draisait.

    Less than 100 players in NHL history have scored 50 in a season.

    2nd in NHL goal scoring for the year (with 0 empty net goals to Ovi’s 4).

    What a player!

  157. McSorley33 says:

    HT Joe,

    It begs the question, if you want to keep a player that scored 0 goals….

    Which forwards*would* you want to get rid of….besides the obvious boat anchor Lucic.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    This time change is going to kill me for Oilers news.

    I sleep in until my vacation wake-up time of 5am and its 2pm back home with 155 comments – I feel like I’m out of the loop.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Gambardella, Malone flying south.

    No surprise here – good stuff – Condors need the help up front.

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    FYI – random sushi restaurant in Tokyo is GOOOOOD!!!!

    Can’t imagine how the Michellin-2 star place I’m booked in to for Tuesday is going to be (the experience alone should probably be worth the difference between $30 for two of us last night and $375 for myself on Tuesday).

  161. SwedishPoster says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    My analytics dream team for EDM:

    AGM Analytics – Tim Barnes
    VP Professional Player Analytics & Database – GMoney
    VP Amateur Player Analytics & Database – Mike Parkatti

    I agree with Gillis that there should be 4 AGMs under a GM.

    The duties that need to be split among the AGMs – Analytics, Cap Management, Contract Negotiation, Amateur Player Procurement, Professional Player Procurement, Maximum Athlete Performance, GM of AHL team, and lots of other stuff I’m sure I’m missing.

    G and Mike are older, mature men who have worked as Analytics professionals in the real world for years.

    Tim is currently Director of Analytics for WSH and AGM would be a promotion.

    All are (or were) Oiler fans and would pour themselves into it.

    Tim still has a soft spot for EDM.I bet he’d come.

    Yeah I like the idea of multipel AGMs with different areas of expertise. I think I’ve suggested before that this org needs to bring in some guys out of europe to get part of that discrepancy with euro players, russians in particular, out of the way. Too many wasted opportunities due to a lack mutual understanding imo.
    I don’t know enough about russian staff members to bring forward a russian name. But for AGM in a setup with 3-4 AGMs I’d look at Fredrik Stillman, former D man who spent the vast majority of his playing career on the same SHL club, HV71, he spent two seasons in the DEL playing for the Berlin Capitals but other than that he stayed with Hv71. He played 156 international games for Sweden, won two WHCs and was on the olympic team in 94 when Peter Forsberg deked himself onto a stamp.
    After his playing days ended in 2000 he’s won the SHL both as an assistant coach and as a GM, you guessed it, with Hv71. He spent nine pretty strong years as GM before stepping down before the 14/15 season and return to his gig as an assistant coach. So far a solid career both as a player, assistant coach and GM but this is where it gets interesting, in 15/16 he signed in the KHL to be the assistant coach in Vladivostok where he spent three seasons, with a short spell as interim head coach, this season he’s back in the assistant’s chair, this time in Novogrod.
    So besides a strong career both as a player, coach and GM in Sweden we have a guy who’s spent four years coaching in russia. He knows swedish hockey extremely well, he had great success with signing finnish players as a GM and he’s seen russian hockey from the inside.
    I think he’d be a great fit on a club where there’s an obvious disconnect with euros. He would also bring in a new perspective on all things hockey. Due to his lack of experience with hockey in NA he imo wouldn’t be a great fit as a lone AGM but if he’s part of a team I think he’s well worth a shot.

    I have no clue if he’d be up for it but I know he’s said in interviews that his main regret as a player was not giving the NHL a shot, I think the Isles among others were interested at one point.

    I’m not saying Stillman is the absolute best choice, just an example of the type of guy I’d look at to try and widen the horizon. I’m sure there are similar examples out of Finland, Russia and Czechia.

  162. SwedishPoster says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    *blush*

    Love you too WG!

    Nice to see you back G.

  163. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Folks, at the speed of that play, Giordano doesn’t have time to think dirty play or not. Motive does not exist in that instant. It’s purely reflex and react.

    This is the standard fan thing to do to look at something that’s happening in nano seconds and act as if his actions can be more measured. NHL players aren’t conditioned to quit on plays when they may or may not be beaten and that’s impossible for Gio to determine in real-time at the speed of the play. Let’s be a little more appreciative of the challenge of the task and the courage of the men who willingly race to the danger areas like this,

    Giordano’s mistake is he’s reacting at a speed that would work against normal mortals and Connor is anything but. I bet Giordano looks at that replay and he’s amazed that Connor tossed away his stick so easily. Any other player and he likely sweeps that puck away.

    After Chara almost killed paccioretty I asked former nhl player if he thought Chara couldn’t avoid what happened as that same argument was as made.

    He though it was bs, and that players are in control of what they do other than freak incidents. Both times Connor has been hurt players took his skates out. Not a freak incident imo.

    I also asked the former player what he thought about the Oilers not standing up for each other(was pre Lucic) and he was literally disgusted. Still had the fire and was a pretty tough player. Many of you talk to players or former players,

    I doubt few buy the couldn’t help it excuse, especially since it seems only a few players repeatedly injure others. Most of us have played hockey and sports enough to know the difference between an unavoidable accident and reckless play.

    Giordano has gone past the mistakes faze into not being able to or not choosing to play in a way that doesn’t endanger others, too many oopsies.

    I can’t respect that or give it another mulligan even if the league does.

  164. oilsnc79 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    You sir are right.

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov is skating and could be back this series. Niagara up 2-0 so no need to rush him.

    Bouchard with two more assists in game two as London dominates to A 7-0 win

  166. Yeti says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The damn injury is outshing a major, major accomplishment by Leon Draisait.

    Less than 100 players in NHL history have scored 50 in a season.

    2nd in NHL goal scoring for the year (with 0 empty net goals to Ovi’s 4).

    What a player!

    If he wasn’t so lazy he could have had at least 2 empty net goals.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kings have asked permission to speak with McLean. No surprise, it’s all but a certainty he will end up there.

    Too bad we can’t request draft pick compensation.

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m sure this has been posted in here but still catching up – Gregor tweeting that McDavid’s injury not thought to be serious but they will wait for the MRI.

  169. Bruce McCurdy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Kings have asked permission to speak with McLean.No surprise, it’s all but a certainty he will end up there.

    Too bad we can’t request draft pick compensation.

    That “executive compensation” boondoggle still has me seeing purple. It was like the league said “let’s put in a temporary rule specifically to fuck the Oilers and then rescind it”.

    Oilers paid a heay enough price for their garbage GM without having to pay a premium as well.

  170. Oil2Oilers says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    My analytics dream team for EDM:

    AGM Analytics – Tim Barnes
    VP Professional Player Analytics & Database – GMoney
    VP Amateur Player Analytics & Database – Mike Parkatti

    I agree with Gillis that there should be 4 AGMs under a GM.

    The duties that need to be split among the AGMs – Analytics, Cap Management, Contract Negotiation, Amateur Player Procurement, Professional Player Procurement, Maximum Athlete Performance, GM of AHL team, and lots of other stuff I’m sure I’m missing.

    G and Mike are older, mature men who have worked as Analytics professionals in the real world for years.

    Tim is currently Director of Analytics for WSH and AGM would be a promotion.

    All are (or were) Oiler fans and would pour themselves into it.

    Tim still has a soft spot for EDM.I bet he’d come.

    This is too pure a dream, too possible a reality. The Oilers have and are likely to continue squander the analytic brain trust amongst it’s fandom to a degree that makes Xerox PARC lab look like a well run business.

  171. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Yeti: If he wasn’t so lazy he could have had at least 2 empty net goals.

    Tough to score an empty netter after you just scored the game winner in overtime

  172. Reja says:

    Scungilli Slushy: AfterChara almost killed paccioretty I asked former nhl player if he thought Chara couldn’t avoid what happened as that same argument was as made.

    He though it was bs, and that players are in control of what they do other than freak incidents. Both times Connor has been hurt players took his skates out. Not a freak incident imo.

    I also asked the former player what he thought about the Oilers not standing up for each other(was pre Lucic) and he was literally disgusted. Still had the fire and was a pretty tough player. Many of you talk to players or former players,

    I doubt few buy the couldn’t help it excuse, especially since it seems only a few players repeatedly injure others. Most of us have played hockey and sports enough to know the difference between an unavoidable accident and reckless play.

    Giordano has gone past the mistakes faze into not being able to or not choosing to play in a way that doesn’t endanger others, too many oopsies.

    I can’t respect that or give it another mulligan even if the league does.

    That young kid can’t remember his name for the Ducks almost blew mcdavid’s knee out at Centre ice 5 games ago and same response as last night. You think the rest of league doesn’t know they can take liberty’s with Connor why do you think the OBC always brings up Culture they and myself just don’t understand players that don’t stick up for each other. I hope they hire a coach that demands that out of the them.

  173. OriginalPouzar says:

    McDavid today on his future in YEG
    “I want to be here, if I didn’t want to be here I wouldn’t have signed an 8-year deal. I love the guys and this city. There is obviously going to be changes that’s just the facts of it, but I’m here to be part of the solution.

  174. Oil2Oilers says:

    Florida looks like the free bingo square to deal with now that Chiarelli is out of a job.

    Kris Russell for James Reimer?

    Reimer is a bit expensive as a backup at 3.4M x 2 more years. But Russell is ill cast in the 4RD role an too expensive down the roster. For me it would be addition by subtraction plus filling a hole in goal. Reimer did not have a great year last year but he has years of delivering at least league average goal keeping in his resume.

  175. Bag of Pucks says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Two F1 champs where one has the inside track & the other guy runs him into the infield wall. NASCAR more like it.

    Connor said today that Giordano was just trying to make a play on the puck.

  176. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    McDavid today on his future in YEG
    “I want to be here, if I didn’t want to be here I wouldn’t have signed an 8-year deal. I love the guys and this city. There is obviously going to be changes that’s just the facts of it, but I’m here to be part of the solution.

    It doesn’t matter what he says they’ll spin it that he want’s out controversy sells.

  177. Reja says:

    Bag of Pucks: Connor said today that Giordano was just trying to make a play on the puck.

    What’s he suppose say that he turned the Norris trophy winner inside out and Gio made a desperation move at the puck knowing that he’ll trip him at the very least.

  178. OmJo says:

    Reja: What’s he suppose say that he turned the Norris trophy winner inside out and Gio made a desperation move at the puck knowing that he’ll trip him at the very least.

    I think that’s what Chiasson said lol (but in a nicer way)

  179. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: I’m pretty sure it was furlongs

    I read it as Rods/Hogshead

  180. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    *blush*

    Love you too WG!

    What are you doing wasting time on The Internets!?!?!?

    Get back to work!!

  181. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy:
    Gravel looks like the perfect 7 Dman, can tolerate long spells in the pressbox then come out and play a decent game. I think he has value, although not sure if it is as a #7, a trade chip or as a player who can progress.

    He’s looked like a very serviceable 6/7 all year.

    He’s a UFA so no trade value.

    I would have been all over re-signing him but (a) with Manning signed for next year, I can’t see it and (b) given they healthy scratched him for a full month plus, I’m guessing he wants to move on.

  182. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’d 100% take a flyer on Yak for next year – if he’s willing to sign somewhere in the buryable range of $1.1M, there is a chance for a solid value contract and production in the top 6.

    Players do mature an he’s always wanted to be a star in the NHL – that’s his goal and I’m sure he realizes that, if he gets another shot in the NHL, its likely his last.

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rider is another one who would be a solid buy-low option. He “should have been” value at $2M, given historical norms, and, if he’d sign in the fully buryable range of $1.1M, again, great bet for a solid value contract.

    With that said, given recent quotes, etc. I don’t imagine he’d re-sign as an Oiler unless its his only NHL option.

  184. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m sure this has been posted in here but still catching up – Gregor tweeting that McDavid’s injury not thought to be serious but they will wait for the MRI.

    So bone bruise? Hairline fracture (which is just a bone bruise just bigger)?

  185. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish1168: PTO or move on. We need to aim higher if we want to move up. We already know the ceiling of this player type. This year may be his start of the slippery slope downward as an actual NHL player. I would rather see some late cuts or a chance for 1 or 2 of your AHL players get a chance.

    We do need to aim higher but not necessarily for the bottom six which this would be for.

    We do know his ceiling and its a solid 2-way, bottom six players with speed who can score 10-12-15 goals.

    He didn’t provide that last year but he has many times in the past and, if he’d be willing to sign for around the fully buryable amount ($1,050,000), it is zero risk and potential high value.

    Of course, if the signing is with the thought of the top 6 then its awful but I don’t think that would be the case. This is the type of signing for a player to compete with Marody and Benson for roster spots next year.

  186. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: I dont know the community of people well enough to comment on your selections, but I LOVE the logic of the last part where you bring in a guy with the requisite skills and experience and make him the AGM. Tim seems to have done well in Washington. Of course we would need to hire a GM who is FULLY COMMITED to the adoption of analytics throughout the organization ( we call this a Champion because he is comitted, not just to adopt/accept the effort, but to champion the effort).

    You get the added bonus that TIm (given the proper support) should be able to build/ replicate what he was a part of in Washington, in a comparatively short time. HOPEFULLY in time to affect the changes that are almost certain to occur this summer.

    For these very reasons, I think it is imperative to hire a guy away from a current organization who can hit the ground running, rather than taking a chance with someone new/inexperienced who would have a much steeper learning curve.

    Thanks for taking a stab at this. Please update your selections if additional/alternative “assets” become available or come to your attention. Other than the health of Connor perhaps nothing is more important to the future of the organization than the individual that heads up our future analytics dept.

    Interesting the the MSM (other than LT) doesnt cover/report on this type of effort in any detail. Surely a good sports reporter would be able to report on this in a reasonably comprehensive way, including the names a short bios/resumes of the resouces/ personnel who might be available (similar to what you have done here). Perhaps this is occuring ( Willis or others ) and Im just missing it?

    Thanks.

    I actually think that if they hire Keith and re-build the entire Analytics and Pro Player evaluation departments that’s not a “bad” thing.

    New GMs need time to evaluate players.

    Keith should know his players and if his opinions aren’t awful and gets informed by data he might be better for the org than a new guy who might be hesitant to do much the first year.

    Many posters here would have a more informed opinion on most of EDM’s players than a new GM.

  187. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’d 100% take a flyer on Yak for next year – if he’s willing to sign somewhere in the buryable range of $1.1M, there is a chance for a solid value contract and production in the top 6.

    Players do mature an he’s always wanted to be a star in the NHL – that’s his goal and I’m sure he realizes that, if he gets another shot in the NHL, its likely his last.

    I don’t think you need to worry about burying a Yak contract
    If he loses a NHL job he’d go back home

  188. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Georgexs:
    Here are some summary stats for playoff teams this season:

    .618: Average P%

    .695: Average P% against non-playoff teams

    .539: Average P% against playoff teams

    Playoff teams make hay against the non-playoff teams (114 point pace) and play a little worse than average against playoff teams (88 point pace). 91 points is about what an average team manages over a season.

    For the record, the Oilers played at a 101 point pace against non-playoff teams and a 60 point pace against playoff teams.

    One quirk about being a playoff team is you end up playing fewer games against playoff teams (because you’re one of them). And, if you’re a playoff team from a division that qualifies just 3 teams, you play even fewer games againstplayoff teams.

    The Oilers, for example, played 44 games against playoff teams. The Flames played 39.

    The Hawks, meanwhile, played 47 games against playoff teams.

    Let’s look at the P% against playoff teams for the teams who are left:

    .731, TBL
    .655, STL
    .603, BOS
    .577, CGY
    .548, WPG
    .538, SJS
    .537, WSH
    .524, NYI
    .523, NSH
    .500, CBJ
    .500, TOR
    .488, DAL
    .439, CAR
    .436, VGK
    .429, COL

    To provide some context, let’s look at the numbers from the previous season:

    .726, NSH
    .650, VGK
    .646, WPG
    .615, BOS
    .603, TBL
    .585, WSH
    .561, ANA
    .549, MIN
    .538, COL
    .537, PIT
    .537, LAK
    .524, NJD
    .513, TOR
    .500, PHI
    .488, CBJ
    .475, SJS

    Maybe there’s something there, maybe there isn’t. But STL should be a tough out for WPG.

    That’s great info, merci.

    Do you have your own database or are you using someone else’s?

  189. OriginalPouzar says:

    McLeod with 2 goals and an assist in the first period.

  190. Reja says:

    OmJo: I think that’s what Chiasson said lol (but in a nicer way)

    He’ll resign 1.75-2 mil for two years he’ll want 3 years will see. I like chaiss he’s a gamer type of guy that scores a big goal unexpectedly. How did Pete screw this team up we should be in the playoffs makes me sick listening to Button and Hrudey sucking on the Flames.

  191. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    McLeod with 2 goals and an assist in the first period.

    Why is he not signed yet?

  192. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy v2.0: What are you doing wasting time on The Internets!?!?!?

    Get back to work!!

    Saving this one for the sanity hearing. Possibly both sanity hearings.

  193. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bag of Pucks: Connor said today that Giordano was just trying to make a play on the puck.

    Perhaps he learned from last time. If he says much it takes a long time to go away.

    He also didn’t say if he thought it was a dangerous play. I think Giordano was going for the puck as well, but he was reckless on how he did it and he had little chance of making puck contact.

    Giordano doesn’t like to get beat and when he does he’s prone to cheap shots like the kneeing incidents.

    I have to say I don’t get how Oilers fans on the most Oilery blog could defend such a play against their players especially the best one. It’s foreign to me to call myself an Oiler fan and defend players like Manning and Giordano regardless of Connor has too much class and savvy to whine.

    I am not referring to behaving like a mindless homer.

    We should remain rational but the two injuries to Connor weren’t clean in the sense that he had his head down and got creamed with a clean hit, which would be a hockey play.

    Especially given the proven league bias against the Oilers in penalty calls that have been numerically shown,

  194. pts2pndr says:

    Reja: What’s he suppose say that he turned the Norris trophy winner inside out and Gio made a desperation move at the puck knowing that he’ll trip him at the very least.

    Where are all the posters saying how connected a certain central Canada MSM type with his 31 thoughts etc. Toronto media spout what sells in their percieved center of the universe. Hockey is much more enjoyable with them muted between periods.

  195. Georgexs says:

    Georgexs:
    Here are some summary stats for playoff teams this season:

    .618: Average P%

    .695: Average P% against non-playoff teams

    .539: Average P% against playoff teams

    Playoff teams make hay against the non-playoff teams (114 point pace) and play a little worse than average against playoff teams (88 point pace). 91 points is about what an average team manages over a season.

    For the record, the Oilers played at a 101 point pace against non-playoff teams and a 60 point pace against playoff teams.

    One quirk about being a playoff team is you end up playing fewer games against playoff teams (because you’re one of them). And, if you’re a playoff team from a division that qualifies just 3 teams, you play even fewer games againstplayoff teams.

    The Oilers, for example, played 44 games against playoff teams. The Flames played 39.

    The Hawks, meanwhile, played 47 games against playoff teams.

    Let’s look at the P% against playoff teams for the teams who are left:

    .731, TBL
    .655, STL
    .603, BOS
    .577, CGY
    .548, WPG
    .538, SJS
    .537, WSH
    .524, NYI
    .523, NSH
    .500, CBJ
    .500, TOR
    .488, DAL
    .439, CAR
    .436, VGK
    .429, COL

    To provide some context, let’s look at the numbers from the previous season:

    .726, NSH
    .650, VGK
    .646, WPG
    .615, BOS
    .603, TBL
    .585, WSH
    .561, ANA
    .549, MIN
    .538, COL
    .537, PIT
    .537, LAK
    .524, NJD
    .513, TOR
    .500, PHI
    .488, CBJ
    .475, SJS

    Maybe there’s something there, maybe there isn’t. But STL should be a tough out for WPG.

    Bah, I missed PIT.

    .731, TBL
    .655, STL
    .603, BOS
    .598, PIT
    .577, CGY
    .548, WPG
    .538, SJS
    .537, WSH
    .524, NYI
    .523, NSH
    .500, CBJ
    .500, TOR
    .488, DAL
    .439, CAR
    .436, VGK
    .429, COL

  196. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Georgexs,

    – to what might be attributed to the big increase this year with the CF relationship after years of waning?

  197. kaotic says:

    Why wasn’t that called as a penalty shot as Conner was in alone? He wasn’t able to get a shot away after being taken down. As Draisaitl was on the ice that could have been number 51 for him.

  198. Reja says:

    pts2pndr: Where are all the posters saying howconnected a certain central Canada MSM type with his 31 thoughts etc. Toronto media spout what sells in their percieved center of the universe. Hockey is much more enjoyable with them muted between periods.

    We need a young Glen Sather type GM that can shoot down these weasels immediately. When did you ever hear Pete say anything the man was a ghost. If you want a good laugh utube Chris Pronger’s best interviews he sure had fun with the media.

  199. Reja says:

    kaotic:
    Why wasn’t that called as a penalty shot as Conner was in alone? He wasn’t able to get a shot away after being taken down. As Draisaitl was on the ice that could have been number 51 for him.

    Because it’s Connor the Ref’s could call 3 or 4 penalties against the opposition every game. Until the Oilers start protecting him that embarrasses the refs Connor’s going to continue being a target.

  200. buck yoakam says:

    OmJo,

    Thats such class…he would not play their game and clearly answered relevant questions…did not pander…

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