Early Morning Rain

I called last season “possibly the most disappointing season in Oilers’ history” but to be honest this one is more painful. Daryl Katz is the owner. Remember that old line I used to use about players gaining experience? Some had five years experience after five seasons, others had one year’s experience five times? I believe the scouting report on the Oilers owner and his 10+ years at the helm leaves us with just one conclusion to draw. Tell me again why you think this time will be different?

THE ATHLETIC

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: How winning the draft lottery and drafting Jack Hughes could transform the Oilers.
  • New Lowetide: The Oilers have a trio of Condors blue pushing and all three are tracking well. How does this group compare to the Petry, Chorney, Wild college men from a decade ago?
  • New Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers, the republic of Finland and the 2019 draft.
  • New Lowetide: Will the new GM continue the Oilers aggressive pursuit of college free agents?
  • New Jonathan Willis: Connor McDavid’s frustration should be seen by the Oilers as a warning of possible disaster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers have another problem to solve: Lifting the cloud over a clearly frustrated Connor McDavid
  • Lowetide: What’s going on with Connor McDavid’s with or without you numbers?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The four blows that set up the knockout of the Oilers from playoff contention.
  • New Jonathan Willis: The Oilers’ failures of 2018-19 will cost people their careers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Chipped teeth, playing DJ and lots of Game of Thrones: A week in the life of Darnell Nurse.
  • New Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto’s first pro season a cause for concern.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the giant talent pool that is the USHL.
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers can shop for a big bang on a small budget
  • Jonathan Willis: How the Oilers can turn their prospect depth into the blueline of a contender.
  • Lowetide: What Mark Hunter’s draft record in Toronto means for his Oilers GM candidacy.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers made a rare move and shopped the QMJHL at the 2018 draft. It could happen again.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers draft early, the WHL is loaded and there’s a lot of history.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.

50-MAN (LONG FORM)


  • Although the roster sits at 42, you can cull this herd plenty. Ryan Mantha, Tobias Rieder, Tyler Vesel, Colin Larkin, Ty Rattie may not get qualified. I believe Jesse Puljujarvi (RFA) will be traded.
  • Edmonton may sign UFA Alex Chiasson.
  • Hayden Hawkey, Ryan McLeod and John Marino either have to or can be signed this spring.
  • I think the actual number is around 40 men on the 50-man list at this time. Plenty of room to wheel.

TODAY’S MEDIA AVAIL

I doubt there will be much news today, the Oilers aren’t going to hire a coach (Kris Knoblauch is my guess) until the new general manager (I’ll go with Pat Verbeek) is in place.

Today’s avail will be about due diligence on the general manager over the summer, about comfort level with Keith Gretzky running the draft (btw, if I’m Gretzky and don’t get a piece of the future action, I’m gone).

That’s if things go according to Hoyle. I won’t 100 percent discount the possibility management is already enamored with someone. I don’t think we’ll see an announcement a week from now but it isn’t impossible.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

I’m on the round table this morning with Dusty, Eric, Tom Gazzola and Matt Iwanyk. We’ll do the Oilers postmortem. At 10, we’ll carry the media avail and then names like Ryan Rishaug and Jason Gregor will chime in. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Oh, and one more thing: Lottery tomorrow! I’ll have an updated draft list. In the meantime, you might want to read my latest on the 2019 draft here.

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  1. OmJo says:

    Tell me again why you think this time will be different?

    For no other reason than because if it isn’t different it’s going to hit Katz where he cares most and that’s the wallet through fed up season ticket holders not renewing.

  2. frjohnk says:

    A lot of the talk is about McDavid and his frustration but I think everybody is looking in the wrong area.

    McDavid is not going anywhere, we all knew this and McDavid confirmed it yesterday.

    The area of concern is RNH. If anybody watched is avail yesterday, he is frustrated with where the team is, frustrated with all the different line mates. He rarely says anything to ruffle feathers. If the Oilers can not turn this around by next summer and get him some stable line mates that can actually play top 6, RNH might be looking forward to FA.

  3. Ben says:

    I’d read a book about the Oilers’ draft history: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005632.html

    They filled their boots with legend from 79-81 (I’m guessing by total accident), but there can’t have been a worse-drafting team from 1982 – 2009. Just look at that list. In.Credible.

    And highlights on the development side include not even having an AHL affiliate for awhile under KLowe, to putting babies on the first line and then blaming them for team failure.

    In my view, pretty much everything that sucks about this team–losing trade after trade, bad contracts for famous veterans–stems from poverty in drafting and developing.

    Even a poor-trading manager will be challenged to fuck up a system that consistently spins out quality prospects.

    Bottom line: if your garden’s overflowing with ripe fruit, you don’t end up shopping hungry at the grocery store.

  4. TheOrangeDesk says:

    If Oil do trade Larsson for a more mobile Dman, I’d like them to take a run at getting Manson from the Ducks. I’ve always liked that player and he may be available now..

  5. Professor Q says:

    frjohnk:
    A lot of the talk is about McDavid and his frustration but I think everybody is looking in the wrong area.

    McDavid is not going anywhere, we all knew this and McDavid confirmed it yesterday.

    The area of concern is RNH.If anybody watched is avail yesterday, he is frustrated with where the team is, frustrated with all the different line mates.He rarely says anything to ruffle feathers. If the Oilers can not turn this around by next summer and get him some stable line mates that can actually play top 6, RNH might be looking forward to FA.

    Hey, who knows.

    Maybe having a linemate squad of Kakko/Hughes and Maksimov can rejuvenate him.

  6. frjohnk says:

    Professor Q: Maksimov can rejuvenate him

    If Maksimov is on the 2nd line in 19-20, Id hate to see who is on the 3rd and 4th lines.

    Nice prospect but he is a few years away if he makes it.

  7. OmJo says:

    I’m with you on Benning, LT.

    While I think he’ll be the odd one out and get traded, I think there’s a player there. Would like to have seen he and Nurse reunited late this season but the Oilers seemed hellbent on keeping Nurse and Russell together.

    I’m afraid of what a Nuge trade looks like. And what happens if one of McDavid or Draisaitl go down with an injury. A smart organization would try to build around the best C depth in the league and find some wingers to complement them. A solid top 9 can outscore an average defence and win you hockey games if the goaltender helps. At the end of the day, you win hockey games by scoring more than the other team, not by letting in fewer goals than the other team.

    Seeing Bouchard start the season in the NHL, unless he has a dominant preseason and scores a 3 PPG average…. part of me is gonna end up tuning the Oilers out. Because that’s a sign that Mr. Burgers blatantly just lied right to our faces when he said the Oilers are going to give young players time to mature in the minors. That means nothing is ever going to change with this organization.

    Why does Kassian have to be a 4th liner who can move up? Granted I didn’t watch every game when he got moved up the lineup so is there something the stats aren’t saying? I would personally like to see Kassian as a minimum 2RW, with one of McDavid or Draisaitl. Any thoughts on why he couldn’t fill that role?

    Hope the Oilers don’t ‘Yakupov’ Maksimov, playing him on the 4th line with Lucic and Cave and expecting him to score.

  8. v4ance says:

    Just playing with numbers, I wanted to point out how difficult it is to be an NHL goalie. The margins are so thin.

    If you take an “elite” 0.920 goalie versus an “average” 0.910 goalie, the difference is about 1 extra goal per 4 games, assuming the goalies face an average of 25 shots a game. The difference between a 0.920 goalie and a “tweener NHL/AHL” 0.900 goalie is about 1 extra goal allowed every 2 games.

    Goalies can’t affect the number of shots that they face; that’s more a function of the play of defencemen and forwards and the quality of the defensive system devised by the coaches..

    Woodguy keeps using the phrase, “Hockey should be called mostly goalie” and it’s so true. The problem is main stream media is still filled with hot takes about “improved teamwork and heart” when it’s just a better goalie shows up and the coach puts him in.

    Exhibit A:
    https://www.nhl.com/news/craig-berube-has-blues-in-tune-entering-playoffs/c-306572250
    Berube sees ‘tough’ approach pay off with Blues entering playoffs
    Coach challenged players, changed tactics after taking over in November

    It’s not Berube’s tactics. It’s Binnington in net, dummy! The app I talked about yesterday shows that the players hate Berube but the goalie is dragging them into the playoffs.

  9. OmJo says:

    frjohnk:
    A lot of the talk is about McDavid and his frustration but I think everybody is looking in the wrong area.

    McDavid is not going anywhere, we all knew this and McDavid confirmed it yesterday.

    The area of concern is RNH.If anybody watched is avail yesterday, he is frustrated with where the team is, frustrated with all the different line mates.He rarely says anything to ruffle feathers. If the Oilers can not turn this around by next summer and get him some stable line mates that can actually play top 6, RNH might be looking forward to FA.

    Yup.

    He explicitly said he wants playoffs next season, not one or two seasons from now. If the Oilers shit the bed he’s good as gone. And I’m sure he’s not going to leave without giving McDavid and Draisaitl a warning of what they’re getting themselves into. He wasted almost a decade of his career in Edmonton. Eight seasons. Basically half of his career.

    What a shame.

  10. elgruntus says:

    Ben,

    From 1984 to 1990, our first round picks scored a total of 4 goals….over the course of their playing careers!!
    Worse yet, they played a total of 290 games in the NHL, with Francois Leroux playing 249 of them.

  11. Todd Macallan says:

    LT,

    Curious on your level of enthusiasm for both Knoblauch and Verbeek, difficult to glean based on text alone if you are resigned to those options or see them as inspired picks.

    Personally Knoblauch is high on my list given his past success in both the Dub and OHL. The fact that he has positive history with Connor is a bonus but think he would be a qualified hire even without that on his resume.

  12. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Tabernac

  13. Ben says:

    elgruntus,

    It’s weird–those guys looked great from Cabo San Lucas…

  14. Rich M says:

    v4ance,

    v4ance,

    Actually it is a little bit of both. I get to watch a lot of St. Louis games and #1 is Binnington is making saves that Jake Allen was not. But the other thing is that they are much better structured in their defensive zone coverage. Teams are having a very hard time breaking them down.

    Not sure how to accurately describe it, but it’s almost like they play a trap in their end where all 5 skaters come down below the hashmarks. If the entry drives wide, there are 2 men on him denying the middle of the ice and vision, making it very difficult to set up the attack 5×5. Keith Jones did a nice job drawing this up on NBC Sports a couple weeks ago.

    It’s a bit of a tactical change. Noticed this because for a couple of years, they used to play a team like Nashville (with offensive defensemen) by getting right up in their face and not giving them time and space. Now, they just deny them lanes.

  15. Todd Macallan says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Tabernac

    Is this in response to no Connor at the Worlds?

  16. hunter1909 says:

    So long as Katz hears Lowe+MacT giving him advice of which they have no clue…

  17. bendelson says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Tabernac

    These seemingly random one word ‘tabernac’ posts are very disconcerting WG…

  18. JimmyV1965 says:

    v4ance:
    Just playing with numbers, I wanted to point out how difficult it is to be an NHL goalie.The margins are so thin.

    If you take an “elite” 0.920 goalie versus an “average”0.910 goalie, the difference is about 1 extra goal per 4 games, assuming the goalies face an average of 25 shots a game.The difference between a 0.920 goalie and a “tweener NHL/AHL” 0.900 goalie is about 1 extra goal allowed every 2 games.

    Goalies can’t affect the number of shots that they face; that’s more a function of the play of defencemen and forwards and the quality of the defensive system devised by the coaches..

    Woodguy keeps using the phrase, “Hockey should be called mostly goalie” and it’s so true.The problem is main stream media is still filled with hot takes about “improved teamwork and heart” when it’s just a better goalie shows up and the coach puts him in.

    Exhibit A:
    https://www.nhl.com/news/craig-berube-has-blues-in-tune-entering-playoffs/c-306572250
    Berube sees ‘tough’ approach pay off with Blues entering playoffs
    Coach challenged players, changed tactics after taking over in November

    It’s not Berube’s tactics.It’s Binnington in net, dummy!The app I talked about yesterday shows that the players hate Berube but the goalie is dragging them into the playoffs.

    Just listened to an excellent podcast about goalies called PDOCast. It’s a weekly podcast hosted by Dimitri Filipovic. His guest was goalie writer and consultant Kevin Woodley, who we often hear on 1260. It was really enlightening. They talked about everything from the role of analytics in analyzing goalie performance to the impact of goalie coaches. Something that blew my mind was how one team used their goalie coach to analyze the weakness of opposing goalies during a playoff match. Fascinating stuff. Throughout the podcast I kept wondering if the Oilers were doing any of the stuff they talked about. My take. Very unlikely.

  19. Woogie63 says:

    LT

    I like a lot of the above, however we will have to meet at the Pink Church after school is you keep talking about

    Trading;
    Larrson our only 1RHD options …. by a long shot
    Benning who now has 205 NHL games, RFA making $1.9M
    Puljarjarvi … If Kassian and Rattie can play with McDavid …..
    Nuge …yikes has it come to this

    Buying -out;
    Manning – Trade him for a 6 rounder and retain salary

    Starting the season;
    Bouchard – he needs to play 50 games in the AHL everyone will be better for it (Jones, Bear, Lagesson and may Persson are great option to be ahead of Bouchard.

  20. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bohologo:
    Katz is not yet in the same neighbourhood as Bruce Wirtz, but is he just down the street from Harold Ballard?

    I really really detest the Katz comparison to Harold Ballard. I think it understates what a truly awful, mean person Harold Ballard really was. Ballard was directly involved in daily operations and would often go out of his way to make life miserable for his employees. Katz doesn’t even live in Canada.

  21. Dustylegnd says:

    v4ance:
    Just playing with numbers, I wanted to point out how difficult it is to be an NHL goalie.The margins are so thin.

    If you take an “elite” 0.920 goalie versus an “average”0.910 goalie, the difference is about 1 extra goal per 4 games, assuming the goalies face an average of 25 shots a game.The difference between a 0.920 goalie and a “tweener NHL/AHL” 0.900 goalie is about 1 extra goal allowed every 2 games.

    Goalies can’t affect the number of shots that they face; that’s more a function of the play of defencemen and forwards and the quality of the defensive system devised by the coaches..

    Woodguy keeps using the phrase, “Hockey should be called mostly goalie” and it’s so true.The problem is main stream media is still filled with hot takes about “improved teamwork and heart” when it’s just a better goalie shows up and the coach puts him in.

    Exhibit A:
    https://www.nhl.com/news/craig-berube-has-blues-in-tune-entering-playoffs/c-306572250
    Berube sees ‘tough’ approach pay off with Blues entering playoffs
    Coach challenged players, changed tactics after taking over in November

    It’s not Berube’s tactics.It’s Binnington in net, dummy!The app I talked about yesterday shows that the players hate Berube but the goalie is dragging them into the playoffs.

    Ask Bob Boughner what he thinks of Goalies…..Dale Talon is an absolute piece of work…..hangs Boughner out with crap Goalies….fires Boughner…pays Q 6 mill per and will sign Bob and Panarin and say….see what an exceptional coach Q is….yeesh

  22. JimmyV1965 says:

    frjohnk:
    A lot of the talk is about McDavid and his frustration but I think everybody is looking in the wrong area.

    McDavid is not going anywhere, we all knew this and McDavid confirmed it yesterday.

    The area of concern is RNH.If anybody watched is avail yesterday, he is frustrated with where the team is, frustrated with all the different line mates.He rarely says anything to ruffle feathers. If the Oilers can not turn this around by next summer and get him some stable line mates that can actually play top 6, RNH might be looking forward to FA.

    This is the reason I keep saying we should trade RNH this summer if the team decides to go with another slow rebuild. Losing him to free agency is a district possibility if the team sucks again this year.

  23. Melman says:

    Is Verbeek getting less MSM chatter because it’s assumed he will follow Stevie Y and become the Wings GM, or is being missed for another reason? With his resume you’d think he’d be one of the names at the top of the list.

  24. anjinsan says:

    Judge by behavior. Katz wraps himself in the flag (Oiler greatness) but treats the Oilers as a profit generator along multiple dimensions in a captive market he takes for granted.

  25. frjohnk says:

    JimmyV1965: we should trade RNH this summer if the team decides to go with another slow rebuild

    Imagine McDavids reaction after a RNH trade this summer for another rebuild.

    And the fans reaction.

    My belief is that the new GM will dump some dead money and try to add fill in some of the larger holes.

  26. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woogie63:
    LT

    I like a lot of the above, however we will have to meet at the Pink Church after school is you keep talking about

    Trading;
    Larrson our only 1RHD options …. by a long shot
    Benning who now has 205 NHL games, RFA making $1.9M
    Puljarjarvi … If Kassian and Rattie can play with McDavid …..
    Nuge …yikes has it come to this

    Buying -out;
    Manning – Trade him for a 6 rounder and retain salary

    Starting the season;
    Bouchard – he needs to play 50 games in the AHL everyone will be better for it (Jones, Bear, Lagesson and may Persson are great option to be ahead of Bouchard.

    – I can totally seeing them trading Larsson for say a Barrie or a Faulk: and those would be downgrades, and older players IMO

    – We basically had a younger Barrie or Faulk with Jultz, who was never slotted properly, and we’ve got a number of them percolating that have offense.

    – Would you trade Bear + Lagesson for a Barrie or Faulk?

    – If they could trade Benning + Russell, I could also see them acquiring net a Barrie or Faulk

  27. LMHF#1 says:

    “The new GM will have complete say”.

    “Ken Hitchcock will be part of the organization”.

    Out of both sides of the mouth at ALL times…and doesn’t even realize he’s doing it…

    Bleh…

    New structures are very rarely designed by a resident and product of the structure…

  28. LMHF#1 says:

    The “some people will stay because we have prospects now” stuff is so weak…and such a low bar…

    He’a also likely speaking about MacTavish in addition to Keith Gretzky…which is horrendous.

  29. Pouzar says:

    LMHF#1,

    At least he referenced the need for “analytics and sports science”. Yay!

  30. Pouzar says:

    The more Bob speaks the less confident I become.

  31. LMHF#1 says:

    Pouzar:
    LMHF#1,

    At least he referenced the need for “analytics and sports science”. Yay!

    Perhaps they will start using the newfangled computer program Al Gore invented as well…

    What’s it called? The interworld? The webinar?

    And stop saying “fans want a plan” Bob…there have been “plans” since ever…this all started with an utterly horrible plan that MacTavish and the rest of them “shared”.

  32. frjohnk says:

    K Gretzky

    “turnover rate in the defensive zone is too high”

    Yup.

    Interesting to see what the new GM does here.

    “bottom 6 has to better”

    Yup.

    Worst bottom 6 in the league.

  33. barry.moore23 says:

    We are so fucked.

  34. LMHF#1 says:

    Don’t know about the rest of you…but I don’t give a damn about the organization being an open box, closed box, flying box or pizza box…I don’t care if the GM never speaks. Get. Results. Whatever that takes.

  35. Reja says:

    JimmyV1965: I really really detest the Katz comparison to Harold Ballard. I think it understates what a truly awful, mean person Harold Ballard really was.Ballard was directly involved in daily operations and would often go out of his way to make life miserable for his employees. Katz doesn’t even live in Canada.

    People that compare Katz to Ballard must be on the younger side there is absolutely zero likeness between them. Talk to any hockey player or employee when he ruled the roost and get the real info straight from the horses mouth on what kind of human being Ballard was.

  36. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I can totally seeing them trading Larsson for say a Barrie or a Faulk: and those would be downgrades, and older players IMO

    – We basically had a younger Barrie or Faulk with Jultz, who was never slotted properly, and we’ve got a number of them percolating that have offense.

    – Would you trade Bear + Lagesson for a Barrie or Faulk?

    – If they could trade Benning + Russell, I could also see them acquiring net a Barrie or Faulk

    Larsson is same age as Faulk, Barrie is 1 year older.

    Proper play would be to keep Larsson and add a Dman who can play top 4 but can also skate and pass the puck like what Barrie can do. Oilers need a stop gap until Bouchard is ready.

    Oilers would have to use some of their assets to do it.

  37. Alpine says:

    So on the no POHO front, is there a chance they’re waiting for Ron Francis to cease his Canes ownership stake in November? I seem to recall there being whispers before today that Bob was interested in hiring a POHO.

  38. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Questions…
    Realistically, which team could be a trade partner for:
    1 – Lucic
    2 – Russell
    3 – Bear
    4 – Sekera
    5 – Nurse

    Listed in no particular order…well sort of…

    I think teams that get shit kicked in the first round could be interested in a Lucic trade with salary retained…

    ALSO: NOT that I want to trade the last 3 on the list, but if the next GM can make an actual hockey trade, we may have to give up some quality to fill holes elsewhere. By my eye, the greatest depth and prospect for trade (i.e., a situation in which another team might actually WANT a player) is LD…AND I think with the influx of young RD, Bear could be moved now to help elsewhere…If I could I would keep 3,4,5 on the list, but…

  39. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Exit interviews.
    I think Lucic should consider seeing a sports psychologist. He has some family history of depression and I think he is struggling. Also under a lot of pressure for obvious reasons. Regardless of whether he stays or goes…

  40. LMHF#1 says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Exit interviews.
    I think Lucic should consider seeing a sports psychologist. He has some family history of depression and I think he is struggling. Also under a lot of pressure for obvious reasons. Regardless of whether he stays or goes…

    If he isn’t doing this already with the team’s full support and encouragement, I’d be rather appalled. I assume he’s not being made to take on what he’s had to deal with alone.

  41. hunter1909 says:

    Reja: People that compare Katz to Ballard must be on the younger side there is absolutely zero likeness between them. Talk to any hockey player or employee when he ruled the roost and get the real info straight from the horses mouth on what kind of human being Ballard was.

    People neither remember nor care about Harold Ballard’s warped persona. Katz for his part comes across as a fairly sad human being all by himself.

    What people do compare is the utter hopelessness of following either team. As bad as the Leafs used to be, I doubt with they were as terrible as Katz’s Oilers.

    Katz for his part finds himself over a barrel, since his buddies are proving themselves to be, at NHL level anyway nothing more than a pack of hockey idiots. He can’t even fire them, or else who will he share his LA fantasy Kingdom with? He left it all 10 years too late.

  42. Professor Q says:

    Alpine:
    So on the no POHO front, is there a chance they’re waiting for Ron Francis to cease his Canes ownership stake in November? I seem to recall there being whispers before today that Bob was interested in hiring a POHO.

    That seems way too long of a wait.

  43. doctoreye says:

    Hoping for a low pick on Tuesday.We should package the pick with Sekera and trade with Ottawa for Chabot.Ottawa needs a 1st pick,and we don’t need to wait for three years for the pick to be usable!Chabot would immediately have an impact on an entry level contract,and throwing in Sekera would give us 5.5 million to spend on a good RHD,or a very good winger for top 6.Any ideas gang?

  44. LadiesloveSmid says:

    doctoreye,

    Even Ottawa would hang up & laugh. Chabot is a stud

  45. Alpine says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    I have NYR, Florida, and Carolina down as potential Lucic destinations. Each team has lots of cap space now and likely into the future. Other options include possibly Montreal and maybe Boston.

    There’s also Ottawa but that’s one of the places I’m not sure Lucic would waive for.

    As for Russell, I look at Dallas, Buffalo, and Montreal as destinations. Dallas’ D outside their top three is not good. Montreal and Buffalo are deep at RHD and need LHD. Maybe Philly is an option if you could flip him for Gudas, who has a smaller cap hit and only one year left. Russell probably wants to stay out west but there’s not many teams out west who either need him or are able to fit him in.

    Sekera’s potential destinations probably look to similar to Russell’s.

  46. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    In the past I have argued for unicorns (McD-Drai-Nuge) as the first 3C.
    After seeing the magic between McD-Drai continue (fantastic years!), I am now “OK” to see them kept as a pair for one more year. Regarding exit interviews, Nuge stated he prefers C to LW, just need to find him 2 quality wingers….and agree with FRJOHNK’s assessment – he is the least happy camper, and with fucking good reason! I want him to stay…

  47. Alpine says:

    Professor Q: That seems way too long of a wait.

    It doesn’t seem like the team is in a hurry to fill that position though.

  48. Reja says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Exit interviews.
    I think Lucic should consider seeing a sports psychologist. He has some family history of depression and I think he is struggling. Also under a lot of pressure for obvious reasons. Regardless of whether he stays or goes…

    I’m sure he does what he and his family went through while still playing at a high level add in the pressure of his contract must be extremely difficult. I think him and the new GM will try to find a new home that works best for both parties this offseason.

  49. Ben says:

    I’m sure Nicholson is a nice man, but what an absolute windbag. Complete gobbledygook. Couldn’t possibly inspire less confidence.

  50. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    frjohnk: Larsson is same age as Faulk, Barrie is 1 year older.

    Proper play would be to keep Larsson and add a Dman who can play top 4 but can also skate and pass the puck like what Barrie can do.Oilers need a stop gap until Bouchard is ready.

    Oilers would have to use some of their assets to do it.

    – Your right – Thought they were a few years older…Still don’t think they are “upgrades” for getting rid of Larsson, and yes: the only D trades that make sense on D are for net upgrades.

    – I keep going back to Benning + Russel out for a net better RHD

    – But I think they trade Benning + Russell: and slot in Bouchard, and one of Persson/Laggs/Bear/ Jones, and wonder why next year those guys aren’t playing with Oil culture, and blame the players

  51. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    Believe he talked about that last off season, haven’t heard if he’s continued into the present.

  52. Reja says:

    Ben:
    I’m sure Nicholson is a nice man, but what an absolute windbag. Complete gobbledygook. Couldn’t possibly inspire less confidence.

    Hes a Professional bullshitter that’s a nice guy.

  53. frjohnk says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Questions…
    Realistically, which team could be a trade partner for:
    1 – Lucic
    2 – Russell
    3 – Bear
    4 – Sekera
    5 – Nurse

    1- No team that is contending or close to the salary ceiling would take Lucic as Lucic would have been a healthy scratch on many of the contending teams this past year. It would have to be a team that a) is rebuilding, has cap room and would take Lucics contract on with a sweetener (s) and b) a team that Lucic is willing to waive his NMC for. So while I believe Lucic gets traded, the amount of teams that fit this criteria is only a handful.

    2- Russell 4- Sekera These two have their NMC’s open up this summer for 10 teams ( Russel) and 15 teams ( Sekera) can be traded to. I think Russell will be easier to trade as he has a lower cap hit and is not coming off two major injuries like Sekera. Russell has value, so I think the Oilers will actually get a decent asset back. I do believe they need to trade one of these guys to open up cap room for up front.

    3- Bear. He has very little value for other teams.

    5- Nurse. He has a lot of value right now. 41 points for a 23 yo Dmen who is big, strong, physical and can skate like the wind. I say keep Nurse, because even if we win the deal, it will be a marginal win and it would barley move the dial. We need to add more players that are impact or at least properly slotted, not side ways moves.

  54. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Next year C:
    McD
    Nuge
    3C – Marody? Gagner? New body?
    4C – Cave? JJ?
    The Strome trade was really stupid.

    Next year LW (hopefully able to move Lucic):
    Drai
    Burakovsky? Ehlers? New Body?
    Benson?
    JJ?
    Gamb?

    Next year RW:
    Kass (not always 1RW, but I think he brings a needed element to that line when he is “on” his game)
    JP?
    Gag?
    Chiasson?
    Currie?

    For the wingers, other than Drai, there can be movement up and down the line-up (to some degree)

    Next year LD (hopefully able to move Rusty):
    Klef
    Nurse
    Sek
    Jones
    Lag

    Next year RD:
    Lars
    Benning? Jones? New Body?
    Benning? Jones? Bouchard? Persson?

    Next year G:
    Kosk (please spend the summer on NHL regulation ice, dropping up and down quickly and moving around side-to-side with guys shooting at you at different angles)
    New Body?
    Starrett

    Coach:
    A younger coach of the Nelson, Kruger intelligence variety. I have no clue who…

  55. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    frjohnk: 1- No team that is contending or close to the salary ceiling would take Lucic as Lucic would have been a healthy scratch on many of the contending teams this past year.It would have to be a team that a) is rebuilding, has cap room and would take Lucics contract on with a sweetener (s)and b) a team that Lucic is willing to waive his NMC for.So while I believe Lucic gets traded, the amount of teams that fit this criteria is only a handful.

    2- Russell 4- SekeraThese two have their NMC’s open up this summer for 10 teams ( Russel)and 15 teams ( Sekera) can be traded to.I think Russell will be easier to trade as he has a lower cap hit and is not coming off two major injuries like Sekera.Russell has value, so I think the Oilers will actually get a decent asset back.I do believe they need to trade one of these guys to open up cap room for up front.

    3- Bear.He has very little value for other teams.

    5- Nurse.He has a lot of value right now.41 points for a 23 yo Dmen who is big, strong, physical and can skate like the wind.I say keep Nurse, because even if we win the deal, it will be a marginal win and it would barley move the dial.We need to add more players that are impact or at least properly slotted, not side ways moves.

    Thanks!
    I was thinking more adding Bear in as a prospect in a trade, perhaps with Russell for a “true 2RD” with about 2-3 years left on contract. Agree don’t want to trade Nurse, just thinking of his asking Salary after next year and how they can get him on the roster budget, but that is really a problem for another day.

  56. texmex says:

    How awkward must that press conference be for KG?

    “Well KG is here now, but if we can find someone better we’ll hire him. But if not KG will do”.

    If I’m KG I do not want the GM job knowing that I’ll get promoted from AGM to CEO/COO/CFO because rather than let people go, this organization promote people to make them go away.

    It reminds me of the time Elaine promoted Eddie Sherman (the mail room guy) just to get rid of him.

  57. ArmchairGM says:

    As far as RHD goes, Ristolainen might be available and wouldn’t cost RNH. Does anyone else think that Pionk could partner with Nurse?

  58. ArmchairGM says:

    Professor Q: Hey, who knows.

    Maybe having a linemate squad of Kakko/Hughes and Maksimov can rejuvenate him.

    Benson is a lot closer, but yeah.

  59. who says:

    OmJo:
    I’m with you on Benning, LT.

    While I think he’ll be the odd one out and get traded, I think there’s a player there. Would like to have seen he and Nurse reunited late this season but the Oilers seemed hellbent on keeping Nurse and Russell together.

    I’m afraid of what a Nuge trade looks like. And what happens if one of McDavid or Draisaitl go down with an injury. A smart organization would try to build around the best C depth in the league and find some wingers to complement them. A solid top 9 can outscore an average defence and win you hockey games if the goaltender helps. At the end of the day, you win hockey games by scoring more than the other team, not by letting in fewer goals than the other team.

    Seeing Bouchard start the season in the NHL, unless he has a dominant preseason and scores a 3 PPG average…. part of me is gonna end up tuning the Oilers out. Because that’s a sign that Mr. Burgers blatantly just lied right to our faces when he said the Oilers are going to give young players time to mature in the minors. That means nothing is ever going to change with this organization.

    Why does Kassian have to be a 4th liner who can move up? Granted I didn’t watch every game when he got moved up the lineup so is there something the stats aren’t saying? I would personally like to see Kassian as a minimum 2RW, with one of McDavid or Draisaitl. Any thoughts on why he couldn’t fill that role?

    Hope the Oilers don’t ‘Yakupov’ Maksimov, playing him on the 4th line with Lucic and Cave and expecting him to score.

    I think Benning is the most likely dman to be traded. It’s a simple process of elimination.
    They need to make room for Jones, or one of the other rookies.
    Benning is the easiest dman to replace.
    Benning might be the easiest guy to trade.

  60. Reja says:

    hunter1909: People neither remember nor care about Harold Ballard’s warped persona. Katz for his part comes across as a fairly sad human being all by himself.

    What people do compare is the utter hopelessness of following either team. As bad as the Leafs used to be, I doubt with they were as terrible as Katz’s Oilers.

    Katz for his part finds himself over a barrel, since his buddies are proving themselves to be, at NHL level anyway nothing more than a pack of hockey idiots. He can’t even fire them, or else who will he share his LA fantasy Kingdom with? He left it all 10 years too late.

    As far as I could see Pete had the only set of keys to the house for 3 plus years. I don’t get the animosity by some folks for every Oiler that played back in the heyday. People have to give the new GM a fair chance before jumping all over him but I guarantee his number one mandate is to make the playoffs next year and every year that follows.

  61. pts2pndr says:

    frjohnk: Larsson is same age as Faulk, Barrie is 1 year older.

    Proper play would be to keep Larsson and add a Dman who can play top 4 but can also skate and pass the puck like what Barrie can do.Oilers need a stop gap until Bouchard is ready.

    Oilers would have to use some of their assets to do it.

    I agree. Trading Larsson when we don’t even have a true top four second pairing right D is stupid beyond belief! Trading Nuge is of the same kind of stupid. What you get in return wil not replace the value lost. Get good players keep good players and add good players. Trading Strome was stupid. Not moving Sekera and his 5.5 when you have been playing without him for the last two years and using that money for a bonafide second right pairing D is stupid. The correct moves are pretty simple. If they can’t be done making changes for change sake is like watching a dog chase his tail. Might be fun to watch for some but accomplishes nothing. My hope is we get someone in charge that has a modecum of common sense. If the right deal isn’t there don’t make a deal!

  62. deardylan says:

    If I was AI with spockian logic and all emotion was removed…and i saw hockey solely as a non amateur business selling tv radio blog internet advertisements subscriptions and generating bar, stadium, consessions, jobs in edmonton then how did Oilers do this year vs all the other teams?

    Emotionally it was the rocks, financially it might be inverse relationship? What other business can lose so often and do so well in profitability?

    Oilers Edmonton Alberta Canada North America govt made a ton of tax revenues from Mr. Katz and company!

    Sports is not illogical, Captain

  63. Dustylegnd says:

    Ben:
    I’m sure Nicholson is a nice man, but what an absolute windbag. Complete gobbledygook. Couldn’t possibly inspire less confidence.

    He was overwhelmed one year ago when he talked about Pete having a plan, he was overwhelmed one year ago when the MSM asked him if Chia would be fired if the Oilers missed again this year.

    Nickel Bob looked like he was going to cry when he announced Chia’s firing and talked about something in the water here in Edmonton

    I never believed in Nicholson being the correct hire from day1, he dealt from a stacked deck his entire career at Hockey Canada, he is a FOG and Klowe…..he was never going to make hard and honest decisions about what was wrong with the Oilers.

    I lost all confidence in Nicholson after he admitted he conducted no search for the new GM …I was familiar with Peter from my hockey Canada days , he won a cup so I hired him.

    This is our brain trust

  64. ArmchairGM says:

    Benson: “A lock to make the 2019-20 Oilers despite what everyone is saying.”

    Hey! I resent that remark! Just the other day I pointed out how Benson’s 20-year-old season compared well with Andreas Johnsson’s 23-year-old season – last year. We all wish we had a young guy like Johnsson and Kapanen capable of getting 40-ish points, but I think we already do in Benson.

    Puljujarvi, too. Here’s hoping that the new GM and new HC give JP a new lease on life as an Oiler.

  65. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    barry.moore23:
    We are so fucked.

    Yup.

    Tabernac

  66. Sierra says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Tabernac

    “We’re going to be a much more open organization in terms of communication. We want the fans to feel more part of day-to-day operations.”
    -April 8, 2019, BurgerBob

    Is this really an issue of concern?

    The Oilers really want to broadcast their day-to-day operations

    Seems moronic to me. Hire the best people, STFU and quietly (and successfully) do your jobs, and ice a winning fucking team.

  67. Durag says:

    Guys, the next GM is Keith Gretzky. I suspected this long before, but I opened up Twitter on Saturday to see back-to-back tweets from Jim Matheson and Bob Stauffer defending KG out of nowhere. Not a response to anyone’s criticism, just “hey, here’s why KG is a legit GM candidate/not part of the OBC.” The soft-pedal is well and truly underway.

  68. LMHF#1 says:

    Sierra,

    Too few buzzwords.

    I’ve encountered so many of these people in work life…they are still allowed to advance way WAY too far before people see their BS for what it is. They also give real strategy, planning and action a bad name. It is immensely frustrating.

  69. texmex says:

    Durag,

    Yup. Rishaug had a good point this morning as well. At present there are 7 teams without a head coach ( ANA, EDM, LA, OTT, PHI, STL, BUF). The 8th team just signed one of the most highly sought after coaches.

    If the new GM has the final decision on Hitch’s fate as HC, and the OIiers don’t hire a new GM until late June (think McCrimmon after the SCF), then all the best candidates for HC will most certainly be gone by that time as most sane organizations want to have the coach in place well before the draft.

    So, it can logically be concluded that KG will be the next GM with Hitch back as HC, with Jay Woodcroft having an outside chance.

  70. Craig Zonit says:

    Sierra,

    I would quite happily entertain the prospect of another Oil Change, if only to witness the board room dysfunction first hand, a la Chiarelli’s notorious Seguin trade conversation, but with a particularly Oilers flavour (red wine acid reflux notwithstanding).

  71. McSorley33 says:

    Durag,

    Guys, the next GM is Keith Gretzky. I suspected this long before, but I opened up Twitter on Saturday to see back-to-back tweets from Jim Matheson and Bob Stauffer defending KG out of nowhere. Not a response to anyone’s criticism, just “hey, here’s why KG is a legit GM candidate/not part of the OBC.” The soft-pedal is well and truly underway.
    *************************************************************************************************
    Yep. I said that here last week.

    Plus, a media take down of Gillis.

  72. Optimism is like heroin says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    I am still hoping for a lucic w bear and first for winger Boedker.

  73. texmex says:

    Ryan Rishaug
    @TSNRyanRishaug
    ·
    19m
    Sounds like RNH who is getting married is not going to world championships. Draisaitl likely to go for Germany.

    RNH is making a huge mistake here!!! Not to mention he will miss the WHC 😉

    I Joke, I Kid

  74. blainer says:

    This past season turned out the way I was expecting with the goaltending. Most of us new Koskinen was not the answer. Chia took the bet and lost his job and rightly so.

    Can the next GM please please spend whatever money is available or whatever it takes to get Lehner, Bobronsky or Varlamov.. Hopefully we get Lehner as he is the one I would target.

    After that go get that RT shot center who is a proven PK stud. Calgary spent the money on Derek Ryan last year who was the player I was really hoping for.

    This organization is very weak at evaluating talent and by keeping BN it’s unlikely to get any better… (unless he hires the right candidate).. I would say that the majority of the posters on this site coupled with it’s host would make the Oilers ten times better than what they have been for this past decade had they been running this team.

    The one very bright spot is with the Condors and prospects. For the first time in years we finally have some really good looking D on the way.

    I would be very happy if we won one of those first two picks with the lottery.

  75. Rich M says:

    texmex:
    Durag,

    Yup. Rishaug had a good point this morning as well. At present there are 7 teams without a head coach ( ANA, EDM, LA, OTT, PHI, STL, BUF). The 8th team just signed one of the most highly sought after coaches.

    If the new GM has the final decision on Hitch’s fate as HC, and the OIiers don’t hire a new GM until late June (think McCrimmon after the SCF), then all the best candidates for HC will most certainly be gone by that time as most sane organizations want to have the coach in place well before the draft.

    So, it can logically be concluded that KG will be the next GM with Hitch back as HC, with Jay Woodcroft having an outside chance.

    Bring back Todd Nelson once Dallas gets eliminated.

  76. Kraz says:

    Anyone else think that instead of actually considering Keith Gretzky for the GM position they are just trying to prop him up to other organizations? They know they can’t hire him but they are trying to do the Gretzky’s a favour and make him look as good as possible to other organizations.

  77. John Chambers says:

    This is probably going to be unpopular, but what do folks think of Cody Ceci as a buy-low candidate?

    Ceci is probably miscast in a top-pair role in Ottawa (playing 22+ mins), and will carry a hefty pricetag ($4.75M+).

    Could the Oilers move toward balance with a Russell + Puljujarvi for Ceci deal? Move CC down to 2RD, while remaining cap-neutral.

  78. Optimism is like heroin says:

    blainer,

    After that go get that RT shot center who is a proven PK stud. Calgary spent the money on Derek Ryan last year who was the player I was really hoping for.

    wonder if there could be any traction on a Russel for Sutter trade w Van? He has a good history w similar term and money but has sucked w Van and injuries.

  79. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Kretzky might not be a bad GM but I can’t see any track record to evaluate the most important thing a GM does and that is make deals.

    A capologist that isn’t a bonehead can crunch the numbers on what a contract should be, but convincing the agent is the rub.

    We also have no idea what or who he knows regarding the second most important thing, having top notch pro scouts and combining them with a deep diving analytics dept

    We don’t know if he has any or enough understanding to use analytics properly even if they create a proper set up.

    Other than that no worries.

  80. Scungilli Slushy says:

    As for POHO the GM could be hired first depending on job roles. It seems the Oilers have some issues around who does what amd maybe PC was doing so much because he wanted to.

    POHO should be in charge of the big picture and tone of the org and as LT said the the face of the team to its community as other managers and the coaches change more often.

    If the GM is in charge of tone and direction there’ll be problems again. The POHO will be a figurehead. Burgers shouldn’t be POHO at this point.

  81. Durag says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Kretzky might not be a bad GM

    Absolutely, he might not be. The problem is the roster is such a mess that it’s going to be a long shot for any GM to get us into the playoffs next year. Progress, sure, but I feel like 2021 is the reasonable target for playoffs. So with this in mind, does Katz absolutely not care about the optics of an incumbent hire named “Gretzky” at the helm when the fans begin baying for blood next March? I don’t think he’s stupid, so does he just believe that season ticket sales will hold steady regardless? Not saying he’s wrong about that, but it seems like an unnecessary gamble.

  82. TheOrangeDesk says:

    John Chambers,

    while I think Ceci is undervalued in most analytic circles I think the braintrust of the NHL still hold high value from him. I dont think you would be buying low if you tried to acquire him. I’d be looking a Manson, or Provorov for potential buy low candidates..

  83. hunter1909 says:

    Reja: I don’t get the animosity by some folks for every Oiler that played back in the heyday.

    Serious businesses remove the losers they fire, usually asap.

    Oilers, a fantasy business for the owner allows the dross to remain on staff, polluting the future executives with their combination of hubris/stupidity(long proven).

    Naturally some Lowetide posters either work for the Oilers or are too simple minded to understand such deep concepts like removing toxic personalities from positions of influence and you’re obviously one of them so there’s nothing more to be said. Enjoy your bandwagon playoffs.

  84. digger50 says:

    OmJo:
    I’m with you on Benning, LT.

    While I think he’ll be the odd one out and get traded, I think there’s a player there. Would like to have seen he and Nurse reunited late this season but the Oilers seemed hellbent on keeping Nurse and Russell together.

    IA solid top 9 can outscore an average defence and win you hockey games if the goaltender helps. At the end of the day, you win hockey games by scoring more than the other team, not by letting in fewer goals than the other team.

    Seeing Bouchard start the season in the NHL, unless he has a dominant preseason and scores a 3 PPG average…. part of me is gonna end up tuning the Oilers out. Because that’s a sign that Mr. Burgers blatantly just lied right to our faces when he said the Oilers are going to give young players time to mature in the minors. That means nothing is ever going to change with this

    Hope the Oilers don’t ‘Yakupov’ Maksimov, playing him on the 4th line with Lucic and Cave and expecting him to score.

    Many coaches preach “if you never allow any goals the worst you can do is tie”
    That results in 82 points a season. Put Connor and Leon out for OT and you end up with 130 point season.

  85. Gerta Rauss says:

    hunter1909,

    Are you going to post the Death March(TM) winners Hunter…?

  86. Professor Q says:

    ArmchairGM: Benson is a lot closer, but yeah.

    We have two other lines for Benson to go up to!

    At least you got my point, though.

  87. Durag says:

    hunter1909,

    Reja,

    It’s not the fact they’re ex-Oilers that makes them bad hires, it’s the fact that it’s the sole criteria for hiring them when they are otherwise unqualified for the job. Let’s not forget that this organization has been as much as a mess off the ice as they have on the ice. It’s been unmitigated failure coupled with the absence of the slightest whiff of professionalism.

  88. Cassandra says:

    hunter1909: Serious businesses remove the losers they fire, usually asap.

    Oilers, a fantasy business for the owner allows the dross to remain on staff, polluting the future executives with their combination of hubris/stupidity(long proven).

    Naturally some Lowetide posters either work for the Oilers or are too simple minded to understand such deep concepts like removing toxic personalities from positions of influence and you’re obviously one of them so there’s nothing more to be said. Enjoy your bandwagon playoffs.

    Speaking of removing toxic personalities . . . .

  89. Dustylegnd says:

    hunter1909: Serious businesses remove the losers they fire, usually asap.

    Oilers, a fantasy business for the owner allows the dross to remain on staff, polluting the future executives with their combination of hubris/stupidity(long proven).

    Naturally some Lowetide posters either work for the Oilers or are too simple minded to understand such deep concepts like removing toxic personalities from positions of influence and you’re obviously one of them so there’s nothing more to be said. Enjoy your bandwagon playoffs.

    They may not necessarily even be toxic…..what is not in question is they are terrible at what they do, and they get to keep doing it just in a different roll.

  90. Fiveinatrailer says:

    blainer:
    This past season turned out the way I was expecting with the goaltending. Most of us new Koskinen was not the answer. Chia took the bet and lost his job and rightly so.

    Can the next GM please please spend whatever money is available or whatever it takes to get Lehner, Bobronsky or Varlamov.. Hopefully we get Lehner as he is the one I would target.

    After that go get that RT shot center who is a proven PK stud. Calgary spent the money on Derek Ryan last year who was the player I was really hoping for.

    This organization is very weak at evaluating talent and by keeping BN it’s unlikely to get any better… (unless he hires the right candidate).. I would say that the majorityof the posters on this sitecoupled with it’s host would make the Oilers ten times better than what they have been for this past decade had they been running this team.

    The one very bright spot is with the Condors and prospects. For the first time in years we finally have some really good looking D on the way.

    I would be very happy if we won one of those first two picks with the lottery.

    I get your point that goalies are super important. I don’t think any of those goalies would help right now. Lehrer would help and would be affordable, but would he be able to stand the pressure cooker/career killer that is Edm?
    Would Varlamov stay healthy?
    Same with Bobrovsky (he’d be my target but we couldn’t afford him anyway)

  91. Alpine says:

    John Chambers:
    This is probably going to be unpopular, but what do folks think of Cody Ceci as a buy-low candidate?

    Ceci is probably miscast in a top-pair role in Ottawa (playing 22+ mins), and will carry a hefty pricetag ($4.75M+).

    Could the Oilers move toward balance with a Russell + Puljujarvi for Ceci deal? Move CC down to 2RD, while remaining cap-neutral.

    Buying low would mean acquiring Ceci for Russell and a pick, not including Puljujarvi.

  92. Fiveinatrailer says:

    LMHF#1:
    Sierra,

    Too few buzzwords.

    I’ve encountered so many of these people in work life…they are still allowed to advance way WAY too far before people see their BS for what it is. They also give real strategy, planning and action a bad name. It is immensely frustrating.

    F’ing nailed it.

  93. OmJo says:

    John Chambers:
    This is probably going to be unpopular, but what do folks think of Cody Ceci as a buy-low candidate?

    Ceci is probably miscast in a top-pair role in Ottawa (playing 22+ mins), and will carry a hefty pricetag ($4.75M+).

    Could the Oilers move toward balance with a Russell + Puljujarvi for Ceci deal? Move CC down to 2RD, while remaining cap-neutral.

    Ceci would cost Hall +…

  94. pts2pndr says:

    JimmyV1965: This is the reason I keep saying we should trade RNH this summer if the team decides to go with another slow rebuild. Losing him to free agency is a district possibility if the team sucks again this year.

    Trading Nuge now when you have no replacement is in my opinion not wise. Even if you have to trade him in two years at the dealine you are two years closer to McLeod or another drafted player able to take his place. You have almost two years of a good value center. Things could change drastically in that time frame. You would be jumping the gun by one year at least. Best case scenario if you trade him now is you may fill one hole while making another. Get as much value as you can without harming the team first is, I think a more prudent approach.

  95. hunter1909 says:

    Dustylegnd: They may not necessarily even be toxic…..what is not in question is they are terrible at what they do, and they get to keep doing it just in a different role.

    They’re 100% certainly toxic as Hell.

    Making the playoffs in 2016, and never making it any other season since 2006 can do that to a rep.

  96. pts2pndr says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Benson: “A lock to make the 2019-20 Oilers despite what everyone is saying.”

    Hey! I resent that remark! Just the other day I pointed out how Benson’s 20-year-old season compared well with Andreas Johnsson’s 23-year-old season – last year. We all wish we had a young guy like Johnsson and Kapanen capable of getting 40-ish points, but I think we already do in Benson.

    Puljujarvi, too. Here’s hoping that the new GM and new HC give JP a new lease on life as an Oiler.

    Agree fully, common sense approach.

  97. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Kind of funny: like a SCTV skit

    Bob says: Next GM will have full-control, just like Chia:

    – Bob then says: Hitch is coming back
    – Bob then says: “We really like Keith” – standing beside him!
    – Bob then says: “we haven’t ruled out Gretz”

    – If I’m applying for the job, and want to game the system, here’s what I say:

    “Bob, you’ve built a tremendous organization. Cup winners, champions, great Culture. I think I’m your guy. Keith, and his track record, I mean wow, you know what, he’d be a great GM, and I promise to work side by side with him. If I’m not the GM, he’d be a great choice for sure. Hitch: he is just awesome, I know he’s got a spot on the org: what were you thinking for him: I’m thinking something serious, big-time to pick his brain. MacT: he’s got a seat at any table I’m at. Howson: dude’s a pro. I can’t wait to hear all that Lowe can teach me: I know he’s not involved in ohockey: wink wink, but he’s a champion, we need him. Now we have a lot of serious work to do: I know the scouts are working hard: I believe in loyalty, lets keep em all, and maybe add a bit. It’s going to be hard, but I communicate well, I’ve got a lot of respect for the history and intelligence right here. We just need another set of eyeballs to round out the table. We need some of the computer analytic thingy too: my son is a wizard on Fort-nite: I’ll get on top of that bad boy pronto”

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lagesson was never a distant bell for me – loved this “new age’ d-man skillset every time I was able to see him play – big/strong/aggressive defensive d-man who can skate and move the puck – perfect.

    The year in Sweden did him good – played solid and increasing minutes against men in a good league.

    He’s blocked a bit by Russell/Sekera/Jones but that’s OK – starting and playing most of next year in the AHL won’t hurt him. If they move on from one of the incumbent 6, he’ll be a high injury call-up option.

  99. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Ben:
    I’d read a book about the Oilers’ draft history: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005632.html

    They filled their boots with legend from 79-81 (I’m guessing by total accident), but there can’t have been a worse-drafting team from 1982 – 2009. Just look at that list. In.Credible.

    And highlights on the development side include not even having an AHL affiliate for awhile under KLowe, to putting babies on the first line and then blaming them for team failure.

    In my view, pretty much everything that sucks about this team–losing trade after trade, bad contracts for famous veterans–stems from poverty in drafting and developing.

    Even a poor-trading manager will be challenged to fuck up a system that consistently spins out quality prospects.

    Bottom line: if your garden’s overflowing with ripe fruit, you don’t end up shopping hungry at the grocery store.

    On point again, Ben!!! I 100% agree.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    I believe Samorukov has the highest potential of any d-man on the team.

    Don’t get me wrong, Bouchard is the “better” prospect, much closer to the NHL and more of a lock for an NHL career. Bouchard even has top pairing offence.

    On the other hand, Samorukov has the overall skill-set to potentially be a legit top pairing/#1 guy.

    A very good and aggressive defender who is a good skater, can make unbelievable passes, has a plus shot and loves to rush the puck and activate in the offensive zone. That over-all skill set is real and spectacular.

    Miles to go to see how it develops.

  101. pts2pndr says:

    Kraz:
    Anyone else think that instead of actually considering Keith Gretzky for the GM position they are just trying to prop him up to other organizations? They know they can’t hire him but they are trying to do the Gretzky’s a favour and make him look as good as possible to other organizations.

    Not sure they think that far ahead. As much as I don’t believe he should be GM I am of the belief he is who we will get.

  102. Alpine says:

    CAR should probably send Faulk to Toronto for Johnsson and Marleau or something like that. Toronto gets a RHD stopgap and some cap space to fit in Marner, and CAR gets a useful veteran and a young 2nd line F.

    I don’t think we’re much of a fit for Faulk because we can’t really be moving good forwards out, especially for a one year rental.
    ———————
    My solution for the Oilers 2RD is to try and flip and Benning and Russell into a couple of RD on short term deals who can handle 18-19 mins a night.

    That way the Oilers can run a 2A-2B pairing with Nurse and Sekera anchoring each pair. The 2018-19 Woodmoney (thanks WG!) has Klef/Lars/Nurse all around 35% TOI vs elites. Russell’s at 31, Benning 24, Sekera way down at 18. It seems top four guys need to handle around 30% or more.

    Might be a big ask of Sekera to see more time against tougher opposition but I’d rather see him anchor his own pair then play even tougher minutes playing offhand next to Nurse.

    I’d avoid trying to do lefty-lefty pairings with our in house options. Caleb Jones might be the exception to that.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov is a nice sleeper and I’m curious to see how he does in Bakersfield next year.

    Unknown to most, he is far from an offence only shooter.

    Yes, he has that unreal shot and a plus release but he is a very responsible 2-way guy and plus penalty killer (at the junior level). He intentionally took a step back with offensive responsibilities this season (or else would have scored 50) with Niagara being so stacked and focused on helping the team in the 2-way and PK game.

    If he improves his skating and strength and “makes it” in a few years, with his shot, he could score ALOT of NHL goals.

  104. Bag of Pucks says:

    Cassandra: Speaking of removing toxic personalities . . . .

    And the troll is back…

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m looking forward to the Hawkey signing.

    Confident McLeod will re-sign shortly after Sagniaw finishes (unless they make it to the Memorial Cup).

    Marino I think will decide to turn pro and neglect to sign – hopefully they are able to trade his rights for something.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    frjohnk: If Maksimov is on the 2nd line in 19-20, Id hate to see who is on the 3rd and 4th lines.

    Nice prospect but he is a few years away if he makes it.

    Yup, there is zero chance Maksimov is on the NHL team in October. OK, well, I guess there is never 0% but I would say its a 0.0001% chance.

  107. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yup, there is zero chance Maksimov is on the NHL team in October.OK, well, I guess there is never 0% but I would say its a 0.0001% chance.

    I actually wasn’t commenting about next year, yet I’ll let you guys have your fun.

  108. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Ben,

    – Why did you send that link! it’s amazing, of the few players that we draft that do make it, a great % of them started with the Oil, only to play the bulk of their careers elsewhere. (and bring back Reider, Brodz and they stink here again!)

    – We love to flush players, part of our “culture”:

    – Maltby
    – Rucinsky
    – Satan
    – Poti
    – Devereux
    – Chimera
    – Stoll
    – Greene
    – Brodziak
    – Reider
    – Petry (well more than half now)
    – Riley
    – Gustafssen

  109. Wilde says:

    Cassandra: Speaking of removing toxic personalities . . . .

    but my punching bag…

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo:
    I’m with you on Benning, LT.

    While I think he’ll be the odd one out and get traded, I think there’s a player there. Would like to have seen he and Nurse reunited late this season but the Oilers seemed hellbent on keeping Nurse and Russell together.

    I’m afraid of what a Nuge trade looks like. And what happens if one of McDavid or Draisaitl go down with an injury. A smart organization would try to build around the best C depth in the league and find some wingers to complement them. A solid top 9 can outscore an average defence and win you hockey games if the goaltender helps. At the end of the day, you win hockey games by scoring more than the other team, not by letting in fewer goals than the other team.

    Seeing Bouchard start the season in the NHL, unless he has a dominant preseason and scores a 3 PPG average…. part of me is gonna end up tuning the Oilers out. Because that’s a sign that Mr. Burgers blatantly just lied right to our faces when he said the Oilers are going to give young players time to mature in the minors. That means nothing is ever going to change with this organization.

    Why does Kassian have to be a 4th liner who can move up? Granted I didn’t watch every game when he got moved up the lineup so is there something the stats aren’t saying? I would personally like to see Kassian as a minimum 2RW, with one of McDavid or Draisaitl. Any thoughts on why he couldn’t fill that role?

    Hope the Oilers don’t ‘Yakupov’ Maksimov, playing him on the 4th line with Lucic and Cave and expecting him to score.

    I have no doubt that Bouchard will produce in the exhibition games and dazzle with his passing ability. He will no doubt look like one of the top dmen in camp.

    At the same time we know, with almost certainty, that it will mean nothing with respect to NHL readiness. Camp and preseason for success for young high talent prospect is meaningless vis- a-vis NHL readiness.

    This prospect is too important to risk delaying or stunting his development. The jump from CHL to NHL is huge and the org has so many potentially NHL ready dmen, prospect in their early 20s who have been playing pro.

    Time to be risk adverse and allow Bouchard significant AHL development time. Assign him to Bakersfield and forget about him. Let him just play pro hockey and enjoy success and scalp – like Benson and Jones.

  111. Bos8 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Lagesson was never a distant bell for me – loved this “new age’ d-man skillset every time I was able to see him play – big/strong/aggressive defensive d-man who can skate and move the puck – perfect.

    The year in Sweden did him good – played solid and increasing minutes against men in a good league.

    He’s blocked a bit by Russell/Sekera/Jones but that’s OK – starting and playing most of next year in the AHL won’t hurt him. If they move on from one of the incumbent 6, he’ll be a high injury call-up option.

    Yep, any year now he’ll be ready. Well, maybe not. Can’t be under ripe.

    If you postpone long enough he’ll leave of boredom and you won’t have to make a decision.

    McLeod is auditioning for #3 center. Some genius wants to keep him on overage junior because he didn’t score enough.

    Love Yak and Pulju and McLeod and Lagesson.. Screwed them over but good. For some reason they’re bitter, hey no hard feelings guys. We’ll just put everyone in the AHL for two years because one size fits all.

    Your best young player never got a sniff with the big club, not one game. That’ll develop him, back to the bus country.

    Ya can’t fix stupid

  112. Melman says:

    What a depressing media avail. Bob looks lost and overwhelmed. KG to his credit came across well in a difficult/awkward situation that any sane organization would never have put him. Even if he has the ability to be a good GM, I have zero confidence he’ll be given the authority to conduct business in a way that would indicate would let him do what he wants.

    PC was a disaster, but since his departure one of the themes that seems to keep coming out is that he had “full control”. Maybe the takeaway is that he locked his door and unplugged his intercom in an attempt to drown out the nonsense coming from the offices down the hall. As LT likes to remind us: the call is coming from inside the house!

    tabernac indeed

  113. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Durag: Absolutely, he might not be. The problem is the roster is such a mess that it’s going to be a long shot for any GM to get us into the playoffs next year. Progress, sure, but I feel like 2021 is the reasonable target for playoffs. So with this in mind, does Katz absolutely not care about the optics of an incumbent hire named “Gretzky” at the helm when the fans begin baying for blood next March? I don’t think he’s stupid, so does he just believe that season ticket sales will hold steady regardless? Not saying he’s wrong about that, but it seems like an unnecessary gamble.

    I was being sort of sarcastic

    Kretzky might be great but there is a lot we don’t know specifically about him in critical areas because he hasn’t been in an agm role in clear daylight at all, not that many are 100%

    See: Fenton

  114. leadfarmer says:

    To whoever mentioned Nurse with Pionk. Thank you,
    I have a layer of vomit on my computer.

    Pionk is like a shitty Ristolainen. And Risto is already pretty shitty

  115. JOFA says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Kind of funny: like a SCTV skit

    Bob says: Next GM will have full-control, just like Chia:

    – Bob then says: Hitch is coming back
    – Bob then says: “We really like Keith” – standing beside him!
    – Bob then says: “we haven’t ruled out Gretz”

    – If I’m applying for the job, and want to game the system, here’s what I say:

    “Bob, you’ve built a tremendous organization.Cup winners, champions, great Culture.I think I’m your guy.Keith, and his track record, I mean wow, you know what, he’d be a great GM, and I promise to work side by side with him.If I’m not the GM, he’d be a great choice for sure.Hitch: he is just awesome, I know he’s got a spot on the org: what were you thinking for him: I’m thinking something serious, big-time to pick his brain.MacT: he’s got a seat at any table I’m at.Howson: dude’s a pro. I can’t wait to hear all that Lowe can teach me: I know he’s not involved in ohockey: wink wink, but he’s a champion, we need him.Now we have a lot of serious work to do: I know the scouts are working hard: I believe in loyalty, lets keep em all, and maybe add a bit.It’s going to be hard, but I communicate well, I’ve got a lot of respect for the history and intelligence right here.We just need another set of eyeballs to round out the table.We need some of the computer analytic thingy too: my son is a wizard on Fort-nite: I’ll get on top of that bad boy pronto”

    Bang on! I can’t believe more people aren’t outraged by the press conference. I will guarantee KG and MacT are staying. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

  116. JOFA says:

    The Oilers management have perfected the Peter Principle, and the majority are suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect. God help us.

  117. Bos8 says:

    JOFA:
    The Oilers management have perfected the Peter Principle, and the majority are suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect. God help us.

    They still don’t know if Benson and Lagesson are ready. Never checked. Traded for Manning who’s a healthy scratch on the Condors team, with a contract for next year. Fixed someone’s mistake, not the Oilers. Petrovic can’t skate, Gravel does pressbox.

  118. Lowetide says:

    Todd Macallan:
    LT,

    Curious on your level of enthusiasm for both Knoblauch and Verbeek, difficult to glean based on text alone if you are resigned to those options or see them as inspired picks.

    Personally Knoblauch is high on my list given his past success in both the Dub and OHL. The fact that he has positive history with Connor is a bonus but think he would be a qualified hire even without that on his resume.

    I think they do need a change of pace so “old yeller” needs to be replaced by “young and fun”. I’m less devoted to any specific general manager due to the vagueness of the position/available knowledge.

  119. Alpine says:

    Bos8: Yep, any year now he’ll be ready.Well, maybe not.Can’t be under ripe.

    If you postpone long enough he’ll leave of boredom and you won’t have to make a decision.

    McLeod is auditioning for #3 center.Some genius wants to keep him on overage junior because he didn’t score enough.

    Love Yak and Pulju and McLeod and Lagesson.. Screwed them over but good.For some reason they’re bitter, hey no hard feelings guys.We’ll just put everyone in the AHL for two years because one size fits all.

    Your best young player never got a sniff with the big club, not one game.That’ll develop him, back to the bus country.

    Ya can’t fix stupid

    Sorry if I misreading your tone but it seems like you’re endorsing McLeod as a 3C option next season? That seems like an idea that’s doomed to fail.

    There’s got to be a middle ground between this overripening and rushing players stuff.

    Seems the Oilers get it right more often with prospects when they don’t get them to the NHL at first notice. I don’t know why people are still trying to defend doing things the old way.

  120. Reja says:

    hunter1909: REDUX says:
    April 8, 2019 at 1:06 pm
    Ben,
    – Why did you send that link! it’s amazing, of the few players that we draft that do make it, a great % of them started with the Oil, only to play the bulk of their careers elsewhere. (and bring back Reider, Brodz and they stink here again!)
    – We love to flush players, part of our “culture”:
    – Maltby
    – Rucinsky
    – Satan
    – Poti
    – Devereux
    – Chimera
    – Stoll
    – Greene
    – Brodziak
    – Reider
    – Petry (well more than half now)
    – Riley
    – Gustafssen
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  121. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Anyone else have a draft lottery simulator tab open?

    I resigned myself to EDM drafting Dylan Strome in 2015, so I paid no attention and went to the mall.

    Wondering if I should do the same tomorrow after work.

  122. pts2pndr says:

    Bos8: Yep, any year now he’ll be ready.Well, maybe not.Can’t be under ripe.

    If you postpone long enough he’ll leave of boredom and you won’t have to make a decision.

    McLeod is auditioning for #3 center.Some genius wants to keep him on overage junior because he didn’t score enough.

    Love Yak and Pulju and McLeod and Lagesson.. Screwed them over but good.For some reason they’re bitter, hey no hard feelings guys.We’ll just put everyone in the AHL for two years because one size fits all.

    Your best young player never got a sniff with the big club, not one game.That’ll develop him, back to the bus country.

    Ya can’t fix stupid

    Lagesson is why we should trade Sekera. I am not overly upset with how Lagesson has been handled in that I think it will be good for him to get the ahl playoff experience. It also kept him away from the gong show that was the Oilers this year. In fairness they needed to see how Sekera was after his injury and Gravel was ok in the third pairing role. By my viewing Sekera has lost half a step and if the team can move him to say Montreal for a mid round draft choice or a prospect it should be done asap. The basic math says we have too many left shot D on NHL roster. I agree totally on Yak and JP re mishandled. I don’t think McLeod was ready for full time NHL last year but couldn’t go to the AHL. He has the size and skating to play in the NHL but probably best to give him a minimum of half a year seasoning in the AHL.

  123. Dustylegnd says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Ben,

    – Why did you send that link! it’s amazing, of the few players that we draft that do make it, a great % of them started with the Oil, only to play the bulk of their careers elsewhere.

    – We love to flush players, part of our “culture”:

    – Maltby
    – Rucinsky
    – Satan
    – Poti
    – Devereux
    – Chimera
    – Stoll
    – Greene
    – Brodziak
    – Reider
    – Petry
    – Riley
    – Gustafssen

    I had the exact same thought

    a) they almost never draft the correct player
    b) when they do draft the correct player they trade him elsewhere for his prime years

    It is almost beyond comprehension how poorly managed the draft has been, and when they do get it right….out you go…go forward and prosper…mind boggling

  124. Bos8 says:

    Alpine: Sorry if I misreading your tone but it seems like you’re endorsing McLeod as a 3C option next season? That seems like an idea that’s doomed to fail.

    There’s got to be a middle ground between this overripening and rushing players stuff.

    Seems the Oilers get it right more often with prospects when they don’t get them to the NHL at first notice. I don’t know why people are still trying to defend doing things the old way.

    I’m saying that each player is a person, that management grooms. You give them challenges within their competence. If McLeod is ready for #3 C then you give him a shot. If he stumbles down the road he goes back to junior. Where is the problem?

    Instead we have dumb priests going through the Kabbalah. Looks good, means nothing, Russel still does snow angels.

    You have Centers one and two covered. The Oilers are playing to some celestial judgement in the sky with a future reward. But hey, Yama got tryouts over and over. I can accuse the Oilers staff of incompetence, they’re full value.

    McLellan lost his mind, Genius Hitch comes in does the same thing re blender and ice time to the same results.

    You don’t say!

  125. Rocknrolla says:

    pts2pndr: Agree fully, common sense approach.

    Can we not find a solid 3C veteran Finnish center to mentor JP?

  126. Darth Tu says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Anyone else have a draft lottery simulator tab open?

    I resigned myself to EDM drafting Dylan Strome in 2015, so I paid no attention and went to the mall.

    Wondering if I should do the same tomorrow after work.

    Not a word of a lie, I just opened up the Tankathon lottery sim, on my first try Oilers were number 1, Avs number 2, Devils number 3.

  127. Alpine says:

    Bos8,

    I don’t think he’s ready for 3C. Is he not AHL eligible anyways? Not sure why there’s a discussion about him playing an overage season.

  128. elgruntus says:

    “They need a clear chain of command”, from Gregor’s article @ ON

    Too many VP’s, assistant to the assistant type of positions in this organization. Fans don’t know who to hate, and management can easily pass the blame around and duck responsibility

  129. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Lagesson was never a distant bell for me – loved this “new age’ d-man skillset every time I was able to see him play – big/strong/aggressive defensive d-man who can skate and move the puck – perfect.

    The year in Sweden did him good – played solid and increasing minutes against men in a good league.

    He’s blocked a bit by Russell/Sekera/Jones but that’s OK – starting and playing most of next year in the AHL won’t hurt him. If they move on from one of the incumbent 6, he’ll be a high injury call-up option.

    Lagesson is ahead of Jones in most areas. He is a younger left shot version of Larsson but a better passer. Jones success in the ahl was due to playing with Lagesson. It allowed him the freedom to play very aggresively re offense while Lagesson took care of the defensive end. Sekera in an interview stated that Lagesson is NHL ready. Sometimes I think we forget that our Jones first name is not Seth.

  130. Reja says:

    Dustylegnd: I had the exact same thought

    a) they almost never draft the correct player
    b) when they do draft the correct player they trade him elsewhere for his prime years

    It is almost beyond comprehension how poorly managed the draft has been, and when they do get it right….out you go…go forward and prosper…mind boggling

    Who’s fault is it that Yak and possibly Jesse or complete busts they both were the consensus pick maybe some players just can’t handle the pressure and expectations that come with being such a high pick.

  131. pts2pndr says:

    Rocknrolla: Can we not find a solid 3C veteran Finnish center to mentor JP?

    We had one in Strome. The coach did not seem willing to just let him play with the same center to build chemistry. The blender thing can work with established veterans but is in my opinion is not the route to take with rookies.

  132. RonnieB says:

    Professor Q: Alpine:
    So on the no POHO front, is there a chance they’re waiting for Ron Francis to cease his Canes ownership stake in November? I seem to recall there being whispers before today that Bob was interested in hiring a POHO.

    That seems way too long of a wait.

    I read ( Cult of Hockey ?) that the Oilers approached Francis but he declined, saying that he was taking his career in a different direction ( Seattle ??).

  133. G Money says:

    Reja,

    Maybe we should give the benefit of the doubt to the two highly skilled teenagers playing hockey far from home, rather than to the overflowing boardroom packed with overpaid managers with a demonstrated and unparalleled track record of incompetence.

    Just a thought.

  134. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Reja,

    – I get an awesome suite, I comp them: I call the suite “Red Wine Suite” I treat them like how the Yankees do to their own: Reggie still walks around the dugout like he owns the place, and it’s special when he’s invited for his yearly appearance.

    – The Red Wings: they have awesome alumni: treat them like the heroes they were.

    – I don’t let Hall, Ebs, CmD etc get anywhere within the inner sanctum of my team though.

    – MacT, Lowe and those guys: they didn’t make cake like this generation does (except Wayne of course). So they “need” these jobs, to walk around in expensive suits, and live a large lifestyle today. They probably get paid $400 – $750K each. MacT’s highest hockey year salary he got paid $750K. Lowe $1.1M. And they spent a lot lived large.

    – They mean well but they gots to go: but it’s clear this isn’t the route the org is taking: they like what they have: its no one who is there’s fault that the players don’t culture enough: they just need better players who will listen to them more, and a new GM who will keep the dream alive

  135. Reja says:

    Alpine:
    Bos8,

    I don’t think he’s ready for 3C. Is he not AHL eligible anyways? Not sure why there’s a discussion about him playing an overage season.

    He’s ready for the AHL possibly the NHL maybe his game translates best in the NHL this league is getting younger and younger one reason is the cheap contracts but if a player is ready he’s ready especially forwards.

  136. fifthcartel says:

    Spector saying the org is floating Kretzky as GM by having him up there. This team, man.

  137. G Money says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: We need some of the computer analytic thingy too: my son is a wizard on Fort-nite: I’ll get on top of that bad boy pronto

    😀 😀 😀

    SCTV skit or not, observation of the results and what we know of how it was achieved means we know this is dangerously close to the calibre of the personnel decision making process of the last many years of the Reign of Error.

    *No, YOU’RE a run-on sentence

  138. pts2pndr says:

    Reja: Who’s fault is it thatYak and possibly Jesse or complete busts they both were the consensus pick maybe some players just can’t handle the pressureand expectations that come with being such a high pick.

    Our management group think precisely. It is always the players fault. Hows that working for them? You can bring a purebred retriever home but if you don’t train him you end up with an expensive mutt.

  139. Reja says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Kind of funny: like a SCTV skit

    Bob says: Next GM will have full-control, just like Chia:

    – Bob then says: Hitch is coming back
    – Bob then says: “We really like Keith” – standing beside him!
    – Bob then says: “we haven’t ruled out Gretz”

    – If I’m applying for the job, and want to game the system, here’s what I say:

    “Bob, you’ve built a tremendous organization.Cup winners, champions, great Culture.I think I’m your guy.Keith, and his track record, I mean wow, you know what, he’d be a great GM, and I promise to work side by side with him.If I’m not the GM, he’d be a great choice for sure.Hitch: he is just awesome, I know he’s got a spot on the org: what were you thinking for him: I’m thinking something serious, big-time to pick his brain.MacT: he’s got a seat at any table I’m at.Howson: dude’s a pro. I can’t wait to hear all that Lowe can teach me: I know he’s not involved in ohockey: wink wink, but he’s a champion, we need him.Now we have a lot of serious work to do: I know the scouts are working hard: I believe in loyalty, lets keep em all, and maybe add a bit.It’s going to be hard, but I communicate well, I’ve got a lot of respect for the history and intelligence right here.We just need another set of eyeballs to round out the table.We need some of the computer analytic thingy too: my son is a wizard on Fort-nite: I’ll get on top of that bad boy pronto”

    Love SCTV especially when it was filmed in Edmonton. Mel’s rock pile is a favourite

  140. pts2pndr says:

    Reja: He’s ready for the AHL possibly the NHL maybe his games translatesbest in the NHL this league is getting younger and younger one reason is the cheap contracts but if a player is ready he’s ready especially forwards.

    I would agee with the proviso that if they are not going to play him reasonable minutes he needs to be sent down to the A. The NHL is not a development league. Sitting destroys confidence. Young players need to play to get better.

  141. Profit says:

    My 2 cents on all of this.

    – the “slow and steady” approach should have been done before the Chia hire (natch) but as many posters here have said, if they wait on the GM role, the Coach role will be fait accompli. That *may* be Hitch, which honestly is probably the best of a bad number of choices.

    – I think Lucic is gone for sure this summer, and I think he waives to essentially any team. He’s damaged goods and both the player and the team need him gone. I think he goes to somewhere like Arizona for a draft pick with $2M retained, then he gets traded to a team like Boston (or NY or Florida or whatever) with $2M retained for another draft pick. Oilers get out from under the contract with $2M and a wasted pick, Yotes gets $2M to the cap floor and 2 draft picks. Third team gets Lucic at $2M to play on the 3/4 line for basically nothing.

    – there is an organizational cancer with Edmonton which is directly related to the success of the 80s. Until that is completely purged (and I am not sure even how you’d approach that as GM), there will be no success.

    I’m open to watching what happens, but if it’s a “slow rebuild” I am out. I just can’t take it. I was the optimistic one with the McD injury on Saturday night, but I’m ultra-pessimistic this gets fixed. If I look at the Oilers as a publicly traded equity, they are the one which is asset rich but which trades at a huge discount to comps due to the ineptitude of management. Deep, deep value play. And I’m not into waiting for 3 more years while they figure it out.

  142. frjohnk says:

    Reja: Who’s fault is it thatYak and possibly Jesse or complete busts they both were the consensus pick maybe some players just can’t handle the pressureand expectations that come with being such a high pick.

    I think when a high pick fails to live up to their perceived potential, there are few things to look at

    1-team failed to develop player properly
    2-player failed to put in the work

    I also think that there are a group of players that do not fall into either of those categories in which the team invested alot of time and money in the player and the player put in the work but for whatever the reason, the player busted or did not meet expectations.

    One example is Calgary with their top picks in the last few years, they seemed to have developed Monahan and Tkachuk just fine but Bennett is nowhere near what most expected. Calgary seems to have a good development system, Bennett is a tireless worker so why couldnt he live up to his number 4 selection?

    I just think there are top prospects who just can not translate their skill to the next level. Bennett, Yak and JP would fall in here.

  143. hunter1909 says:

    Reja: Here’s a scenario for the ex-Oiler nepotism believers. Let say Nuge Nurse Leon and Connor marry woman that actually want to live in Edmonton or they enjoy the freedom of being single they all resign and end up winning 3 cups over the next decade. The city is alive you meet your future wife who has a Benson jersey on at one of the countless places that are nothing but the best time of your life your kids have Leon and a Connor jerseys. 20 years later after you and a few friends successfully buy the Oilers and Leon and Connor who are Hall of Famers and Nuge Nurse Eberle Hall approach you and they want to be part of the occasion because that’s where their heart is. What’s your answer?

    “Sure! Go and run the team! I’m moving to Los Angeles to chase 20 year old actresses.”

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    The team doesn’t need to replace Larsson with a puck moving right shot d-man, they need to add that to the current roster. There is a high possibility of filling that spot internally (Bouchard, Bear, Persson, Jones on his off-side) but those players shouldn’t be slotted in to the top 4 until they earn it and that is likely a full season or two away.

    Ideally, Larsson is pushed down to 2RD as a 1RD is acquired or developed but that seems a bit out there in the short or medium term.

  145. hunter1909 says:

    frjohnk: I just think there are top prospects who just can not translate their skill to the next level. Bennett, Yak and JP would fall in here.

    “Calgary failed to develop Bennet who we all saw was too weak to do even a single pull up. Therefore, the Oilers are absolved from failing to develop Yakupov and JP properly”.

  146. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The team doesn’t need to replace Larsson with a puck moving right shot d-man, they need to add that to the current roster.There is a high possibility of filling that spot internally (Bouchard, Bear, Persson, Jones on his off-side) but those players shouldn’t be slotted in to the top 4 until they earn it and that is likely a full season or two away.

    Ideally, Larsson is pushed down to 2RD as a 1RD is acquired or developed but that seems a bit out there in the short or medium term.

    Oilers need a Giordano or a Chara. A wise old head to settle the kids down.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    blainer:
    This past season turned out the way I was expecting with the goaltending. Most of us new Koskinen was not the answer. Chia took the bet and lost his job and rightly so.

    Can the next GM please please spend whatever money is available or whatever it takes to get Lehner, Bobronsky or Varlamov.. Hopefully we get Lehner as he is the one I would target.

    After that go get that RT shot center who is a proven PK stud. Calgary spent the money on Derek Ryan last year who was the player I was really hoping for.

    If there was actually cap space to do these things…….

    With Koskinen on the books, they can’t spend $5M plus for another goalie and that is what those guys will cost (much more for Bobrovsky).

    Koskinen’s contract hasn’t even kicked in yet – he will no doubt be the number 1 guy in October.

    The expectation is a plus plus veteran/established back-up in the $2.25M range – Elliot, Mrazek, etc.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    John Chambers:
    This is probably going to be unpopular, but what do folks think of Cody Ceci as a buy-low candidate?

    Ceci is probably miscast in a top-pair role in Ottawa (playing 22+ mins), and will carry a hefty pricetag ($4.75M+).

    Could the Oilers move toward balance with a Russell + Puljujarvi for Ceci deal? Move CC down to 2RD, while remaining cap-neutral.

    1) The Oilers need to acquire value contracts or bets for value contracts not contracts where the player is vastly under-performing their cap hits.

    2) I haven’t seen much of Ceci recently but Sens fans just want him gone – they think he’s awful – given almost $5M and poor play (from accounts) there is zero chance I give up Puljujarvi in a deal for him and waste the Russell $4M of cap relief on him.

  149. Alpine says:

    Profit:
    My 2 cents on all of this.

    – the “slow and steady” approach should have been done before the Chia hire (natch) but as many posters here have said, if they wait on the GM role, the Coach role will be fait accompli. That *may* be Hitch, which honestly is probably the best of a bad number of choices.

    – I think Lucic is gone for sure this summer, and I think he waives to essentially any team. He’s damaged goods and both the player and the team need him gone. I think he goes to somewhere like Arizona for a draft pick with $2M retained, then he gets traded to a team like Boston (or NY or Florida or whatever) with $2M retained for another draft pick. Oilers get out from under the contract with $2M and a wasted pick, Yotes gets $2M to the cap floor and 2 draft picks. Third team gets Lucic at $2M to play on the 3/4 line for basically nothing.

    – there is an organizational cancer with Edmonton which is directly related to the success of the 80s. Until that is completely purged (and I am not sure even how you’d approach that as GM), there will be no success.

    I’m open to watching what happens, but if it’s a “slow rebuild” I am out. I just can’t take it. I was the optimistic one with the McD injury on Saturday night, but I’m ultra-pessimistic this gets fixed. If I look at the Oilers as a publicly traded equity, they are the one which is asset rich but which trades at a huge discount to comps due to the ineptitude of management. Deep, deep value play. And I’m not into waiting for 3 more years while they figure it out.

    Thats an interesting Lucic scenario. I am a bit curious about a budget team like ARZ paying part of a salary for a guy they won’t be playing on the roster though.

    I think rich teams like the Rangers who aren’t planning on using cap space might be a better fit. They let Nash go to Boston so I doubt they care about having Looch going there. That’s a team who would have incentive to get some draft picks out of the deal too.

    It’s a good idea for the Oilers though as it means 4 mil in cap space for each of the next four years. If the price is a single non 1st rounder I think thats an easy move to make.

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q: I actually wasn’t commenting about next year, yet I’ll let you guys have your fun.

    I don’t know what that means…..

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bos8: Yep, any year now he’ll be ready.Well, maybe not.Can’t be under ripe.

    If you postpone long enough he’ll leave of boredom and you won’t have to make a decision.

    McLeod is auditioning for #3 center.Some genius wants to keep him on overage junior because he didn’t score enough.

    Love Yak and Pulju and McLeod and Lagesson.. Screwed them over but good.For some reason they’re bitter, hey no hard feelings guys.We’ll just put everyone in the AHL for two years because one size fits all.

    Your best young player never got a sniff with the big club, not one game.That’ll develop him, back to the bus country.

    Ya can’t fix stupid

    Lagesson has played one year in the AHL. Starting his 2nd year as a North American pro in the AHL is just fine. If he continues his progression, he will earn the injury call-up when it happens.

    I am highly against McLeod back in junior, 100% he should be in the AHL. Are you suggesting he’s applying for the 3C spot this season?

    I’m not sure how bringing up Puljjujarvi in a post where the intent is to prove that the org can’t be too patient with prospects makes sense. He is the poster boy for not being given appropriate time in the development leagues.

    I would suggest ceasing to call others stupid for having differing opinions than you on the right development path for prospects.

    You have your opinion and are entitled to it. Its not right or wrong, its your opinion.

    Others have differing opinion, not right or wrong.

    Believing one’s opinion means more than others, well, that, to me, in my opinion, is the only stupid things going on here.

  152. ArmchairGM says:

    leadfarmer:
    To whoever mentioned Nurse with Pionk.Thank you,
    I have a layer of vomit on my computer.

    Pionk is like a shitty Ristolainen.And Risto is already pretty shitty

    That was me, and you’re welcome. I glanced at Pionk’s stats and he played heavier minutes than any of our d-corps, 40.1% against elites with 39.8% OZS. His results were reasonable: 43.3 DFF% and 46.9 GF%. With Marc Staal.

    He’s a 23-year-old righty puck moving defenseman who is an RFA this summer and won’t cost a huge amount either to trade or to sign. I’m not proposing that he is going to lead us to the Cup, just that in a lesser role (say 33% against elites) and with a better partner (Nurse) he might be a better option than Russell or Benning until Bouchard is ready.

    Am I completely wrong?

  153. OriginalPouzar says:

    Alpine:
    Bos8,

    I don’t think he’s ready for 3C. Is he not AHL eligible anyways? Not sure why there’s a discussion about him playing an overage season.

    He is AHL eligible next year and I don’t imagine any scenario where he isn’t there after camp this coming season.

    Overage in the OHL simply doesn’t make sense for this player and there is almost no reasonable conclusion that has him NHL ready this coming year.

  154. ArmchairGM says:

    ArmchairGM: That was me, and you’re welcome. I glanced at Pionk’s stats and he played heavier minutes than any of our d-corps, 40.1% against elites with 39.8% OZS. His results were reasonable: 43.3 DFF% and 46.9 GF%. With Marc Staal.

    For reference, our hardest-working defenseman was Larsson: 35.3% against elites with 42.13 OZS%. His results were worse than Pionks: 42.3 DFF% and 42.5 GF%.

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: Lagesson is ahead of Jones in most areas. He is a younger left shot version of Larsson but a better passer. Jones success in the ahl was due to playing with Lagesson.It allowed him the freedom to play very aggresively re offense while Lagesson took care of the defensive end. Sekera in an interview stated that Lagesson is NHL ready. Sometimes I think we forget that our Jones first name is not Seth.

    I disagree that Jones’ success is a function of playing with Lagesson – Jones started off the year on absolutely fire (and that is why he earned the call-up) and he wasn’t playing with Lagesson at that point.

    Jones was 1RD (Bear wasn’t even on the roster) and Lagesson was 3LD. Jones was running the 1st PP until and playing high end in all-situations.

    Lagesson steadily improved month to month throughout the year and he is my favorite D prospect (I’ve been touting him for a few years now) but the above does a massive disservice to Jones and has factually incorrect information.

  156. ArmchairGM says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Anyone else have a draft lottery simulator tab open?

    I resigned myself to EDM drafting Dylan Strome in 2015, so I paid no attention and went to the mall.

    Wondering if I should do the same tomorrow after work.

    Please do. You need a new shirt anyhow.😄

  157. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t know what that means…..

    Well, someone suggested that RNH is growing beyond frustrated and wants out, and before his contract is up will demand so.

    I commented that I think he might be rejuvenated with some young and skilled prospects to play with, using a pipedream of Hughes/Kakko and then a young prospect who might start in the AHL then once moved up might have 3rd/2nd line usage. Yes, Benson is closer, and that’ll be good, but, hey. Maybe he plays with Draisaitl on the 2nd. I was just using examples, and was not specifying next year as the dire year to add superstars beside RNH.

    Lots and lots of good prospects. I hope the team turns it around, despite the press conference today, and that RNH is an Oiler for life and wins many Cups.

  158. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    “Zack Kassian: Utility wingers who are 4th liners but can slide up to the No.1 line are damned rare”.

    There is a reason for that, LT … only stupid organizations play guys like this on the 4th line. Not sure Zack could hold down a full time spot on the top line for a halfway decent team, but he sure as hell would be a fixture for that kind of team on the 2nd or 3rd line. JMHO.

  159. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: I disagree that Jones’ success is a function of playing with Lagesson – Jones started off the year on absolutely fire (and that is why he earned the call-up) and he wasn’t playing with Lagesson at that point.

    Jones was 1RD (Bear wasn’t even on the roster) and Lagesson was 3LD.Jones was running the 1st PP until and playing high end in all-situations.

    Lagesson steadily improved month to month throughout the year and he is my favorite D prospect (I’ve been touting him for a few years now) but the above does a massive disservice to Jones and has factually incorrect information.

    Sorry missed first part of the year but when I saw him it seemed Lagesson was a big reason for his success. Of all our young D given our depth on the left side Jones would be the value added that I would have first on my list to move.

  160. pts2pndr says:

    ArmchairGM: For reference,our hardest-working defenseman was Larsson: 35.3% against elites with 42.13 OZS%. His results were worse than Pionks: 42.3 DFF% and 42.5 GF%.

    Pionk could e worth a shot but the fly in the ointment is what do you do with him if he doesn’t make it at second pairing right D. Right D both second and third pairing should be very interesting with the number of candidates applying. Persson, Burgland, Bouchard, Bear and the incumbant Russel. There is also the possibilty of Day and Marino if signed.

  161. hunter1909 says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan:
    “Zack Kassian: Utility wingers who are 4th liners but can slide up to the No.1 line are damned rare”.

    There is a reason for that, LT … only stupid organizations play guys like this on the 4th line. Not sure Zack could hold down a full time spot on the top line for a halfway decent team, but he sure as hell would be a fixture for that kind of team on the 2nd or 3rd line. JMHO.

    Kassian played like a 4th liner until they put him with McDavid.

    Prior to joining the Oilers Kassian was almost out of the NHL. I’m happy to call management stupid as anyone, but not in Kassian’s case because they saved his career and very likely the man himself.

  162. Sierra says:

    Kraz:
    Anyone else think that instead of actually considering Keith Gretzky for the GM position they are just trying to prop him up to other organizations? They know they can’t hire him but they are trying to do the Gretzky’s a favour and make him look as good as possible to other organizations.

    I sure hope not. They need to be focused on getting their hires correct not on setting up soon-to-be ex-employees for their next gig.

  163. Bos8 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Lagesson has played one year in the AHL.Starting his 2nd year as a North American pro in the AHL is just fine.If he continues his progression, he will earn the injury call-up when it happens.

    I am highly against McLeod back in junior, 100% he should be in the AHL.Are you suggesting he’s applying for the 3C spot this season?

    I’m not sure how bringing up Puljjujarvi in a post where the intent is to prove that the org can’t be too patient with prospects makes sense.He is the poster boy for not being given appropriate time in the development leagues.

    I would suggest ceasing to call others stupid for having differing opinions than you on the right development path for prospects.

    You have your opinion and are entitled to it.Its not right or wrong, its your opinion.

    Others have differing opinion, not right or wrong.

    Believing one’s opinion means more than others, well, that, to me, in my opinion, is the only stupid things going on here.

    These people are professionals and yet they are all over the map. Lagesson will be 24, six years post draft. Still never got a try. Pulju was the bad example of inconsistency.

    No need to get defensive, I wasn’t attacking anyone posting. As you said, opinions. Stupid actions are a different matter. Six years on Lagesson or the classic jerk around of Pulju are at the least dysfunctional. They still haven’t checked on Lagesson at the NHL level. He might be a bust, they just don’t know.

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q,

    It was the “you have your fun” comment I don’t understand.

  165. Alpine says:

    Bos8,

    Lagesson just turned 23 in February. He was playing in sweden’s junior league, the SuperElit, in his draft. He did one year in the USHL, two years in the NCAA, one year in the SHL, and one year in the AHL.

    When should they have given him a look? Right out of college? He would have missed a prime development season in the SHL.

  166. Lowetide says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan:
    “Zack Kassian: Utility wingers who are 4th liners but can slide up to the No.1 line are damned rare”.

    There is a reason for that, LT … only stupid organizations play guys like this on the 4th line. Not sure Zack could hold down a full time spot on the top line for a halfway decent team, but he sure as hell would be a fixture for that kind of team on the 2nd or 3rd line. JMHO.

    I think Kassian CAN play at that level but he’s been inconsistent during his career.

  167. leadfarmer says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Rangers fans think he’s pretty much garbage. They did feed him tough minutes. He’s still young and may turn it around but not many rangers fans are excited about him

  168. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I’m just frustrated in general, is all.

    My point was missed and I initially took it as a build up of you all having a bit of fun at my expense.

    I’m sure we can now all breathe, relax, enjoy life, wish the best for Oilers prospects, and see what tomorrow brings.

  169. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Reja,

    – I get an awesome suite, I comp them: I call the suite “Red Wine Suite”I treat them like how the Yankees do to their own: Reggie still walks around the dugout like he owns the place, and it’s special when he’s invited for his yearly appearance.

    – The Red Wings: they have awesome alumni: treat them like the heroes they were.

    – I don’t let Hall, Ebs, CmD etc get anywhere within the inner sanctum of my team though.

    – MacT, Lowe and those guys: they didn’t make cake like this generation does (except Wayne of course).So they “need” these jobs, to walk around in expensive suits, and live a large lifestyle today.They probably get paid $400 – $750K each.MacT’s highest hockey year salary he got paid $750K.Lowe $1.1M.And they spent a lot lived large.

    – They mean well but they gots to go: but it’s clear this isn’t the route the org is taking: they like what they have: its no one who is there’s fault that the players don’t culture enough: they just need better players who will listen to them more, and a new GM who will keep the dream alive

    Perfect

    I’ve said this as well. They don’t have to exit, they need to exit being involved in operations. Surely they are at a point that if they truly care about the team they can understand why it has to happen even if they don’t think it’s their fault.

    Now that revenue is at stake things are serious in a way they haven’t been in a long time. Now that Connor is in the house and is a strong positive force in his way the tomfoolery cannot fly.

  170. Scungilli Slushy says:

    There is rushing players and there is putting the best nhl team on the ice.

    If Lagesson and Benson are better than other older options play them and don’t blame them.

    I think the problem has been blame above all.

    Maybe shiny new GM knocks it out of the park and maybe it is yet another static market or colleagues only offer boat anchors.

    Good teams play youth, they just don’t screw it up.

    I think Benson might be a great add to the top 6 if his body is ready. With experienced players.

    The biggest problem Connor Leon and Ryan have is playing faster than their help in every way.

    Zach can do it because he has hockey IQ. He has speed and skill. He just didn’t hit the mark because he didn’t or doesn’t have the stability that separates the consistent league top players from the rest.

  171. ArmchairGM says:

    leadfarmer:
    ArmchairGM,

    Rangers fans think he’s pretty much garbage.They did feed him tough minutes.He’s still young and may turn it around but not many rangers fans are excited about him

    Buy Low.

    Pionk, like Ristolainen, is mis-cast. Risto is 41.8% vs elites and 41.78 OZS%. As a 2RD with Larsson doing the heavy lifting, either of these guys would shine like diamonds.

    BUY LOW.

  172. ArmchairGM says:

    ArmchairGM: Buy Low.

    Pionk, like Ristolainen, is mis-cast. Risto is 41.8% vs elites and 41.78 OZS%. As a 2RD with Larsson doing the heavy lifting,either of these guys would shine like diamonds.

    BUY LOW.

    This is an opportunity to reverse the Schultz mistake.

  173. godot10 says:

    texmex:
    Durag,

    Yup. Rishaug had a good point this morning as well. At present there are 7 teams without a head coach ( ANA, EDM, LA, OTT, PHI, STL, BUF). The 8th team just signed one of the most highly sought after coaches.

    If the new GM has the final decision on Hitch’s fate as HC, and the OIiers don’t hire a new GM until late June (think McCrimmon after the SCF), then all the best candidates for HC will most certainly be gone by that time as most sane organizations want to have the coach in place well before the draft.

    So, it can logically be concluded that KG will be the next GM with Hitch back as HC, with Jay Woodcroft having an outside chance.

    Frank Reich was the last NHL coach hired one year ago, well after the Super Bowl. Bednar was hired in August after Roy quit on the Avalanche.

    There is no need to rush hiring a coach, particularly when one more year of Hitch would not be the end of the world, and Woodcroft probably could benefit from another year in Bakersfield. And since the mess that really needs to be fixed is at the management level. I’m not sold on Hitch, but coaching is not the place where I would start if I were a new GM.

    I fully expect a new GM might well wait till after next season to decide on his coach, especially if it is a young GM. Think where the Oilers might have been today if MacT had taken a deep breath and counted 5 Mississippi’s before hiring Eakins.

  174. godot10 says:

    John Chambers:
    This is probably going to be unpopular, but what do folks think of Cody Ceci as a buy-low candidate?

    Ceci is probably miscast in a top-pair role in Ottawa (playing 22+ mins), and will carry a hefty pricetag ($4.75M+).

    Could the Oilers move toward balance with a Russell + Puljujarvi for Ceci deal? Move CC down to 2RD, while remaining cap-neutral.

    You aren’t getting Ceci for under $5 million…and he can opt for arbitration to get to UFA status next summer. One is unlikely to lock him up for term for anything less than $6 million this summer. And he is not a modern D.

    Larsson at $4.1 for two more years is far better value for money, and Ceci is really a not as good version of Larsson. And really Larsson AND Ceci would be building a non-mobile defense.

  175. v4ance says:

    ArmchairGM,

    I wonder if this is too crazy but…

    Nurse for Pionk and Georgiev.

    The Rangers love Igor Shestyorkin and they’ve annointed him as the heir to Lundquist so Georgiev is available…

    Looking at the Rangers draft history on HockeyDB, it’s horrific since 2008. They only produce 1 NHL player per draft when the average is 3 players every 2 years. The only reason the Rangers have been in contention at all is due to Lunquist’s elite netminding.

  176. Mr DeBakey says:

    John Chambers: Russell + Puljujarvi

    Russell + Puljujarvi is probably too much for Ceci, but the concept isn’t bad.
    I’ve been thinking of Zaitsev, a player in a similar situation, too.

  177. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Mr DeBakey: Russell + Puljujarvi is probably too much for Ceci, but the concept isn’t bad.
    I’ve been thinking of Zaitsev, a player in a similar situation, too.

    It Babcock can’t use Z I’m not sure

  178. texmex says:

    Bouchard 2g 2a; samaroukov 2g

    7-4 knights in the 3rd

  179. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I’m not sure the Oilers need studs and such, they only need competent D in the slot needed.

    They do need a true top 6 winger because Lucic can’t or isn’t doing it. I think using the farm or existing talent can take care of another winger slot. Connor Nuge and Leon aren’t rookies so the top 6 can carry a green offensive player.

    The team has been such a shit show it’s hard to remember that good teams can use available resources and make something good.

    You are played your hand every season and make the best decisions

  180. Pretendergast says:

    Wonder what it would’ve taken to get Price after his off year, no way he’s available now but heard rumours last offseason when he stunk. Would’ve covered alot of mistakes as he did this year in Mtl. Is there anyone like that this year?

    Order of preference: Dubnyk, Jones, Georgiev, Mrazek, Varlamov

    Halak?

  181. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard with 2G and 2A and Samorukov with 2 goals in a 7-4 London win.

    Bouchard is laying waste to the playoffs and Samorukov continues to impress even as Guelph is getting thrashed.

    These two dmen.

    Looks like Samorukov will be in Bakersfield shortly.

  182. pts2pndr says:

    Dustylegnd: I had the exact same thought

    a) they almost never draft the correct player
    b) when they do draft the correct player they trade him elsewhere for his prime years

    It is almost beyond comprehension how poorly managed the draft has been, and when they do get it right….out you go…go forward and prosper…mind boggling

    The community as a whole are not all that patient. An example is JP a 20 year old fourth overall draft choice than many here are on board with throwing him as an incentive to get shed of Lucic. With his less than ideal development and current value I would think it prudent to give him a minimum of one more season. Nurse and Nuge are mentioned as trade bait because of high value and the beat goes on. Many of the players that were traded prematurely fit into one of these catagories. Get good players, keep good players and add good players.

  183. leadfarmer says:

    v4ance:
    ArmchairGM,

    I wonder if this is too crazy but…

    Nurse for Pionk and Georgiev.

    The Rangers love Igor Shestyorkin and they’ve annointed him as the heir to Lundquist so Georgiev is available…

    Looking at the Rangers draft history on HockeyDB, it’s horrific since 2008.They only produce 1 NHL player per draft when the average is 3 players every 2 years.The only reason the Rangers have been in contention at all is due to Lunquist’s elite netminding.

    That is a Chia level trade and I think Nurse isn’t as good as most on here

  184. v4ance says:

    Dennis Bernstein @DennisTFP

    I always appreciate the support!

    If Kings land McLellan, he’s the profile of what this organization needs now. Whether it works or not is another story. Ultimately, this hire will determine Rob’s legacy here.

    I would love for the Kings to hire McLellan! It would be exactly like how we hired Pat Quinn before we started our rebuild. Nothing like a dinosaur coach to send a team further into a tailspin!

    I figure if Mclellan gets hired, he’ll be out in 2 years as they blame him for the 30 year old Kings not performing at their 26year old selves!

  185. v4ance says:

    leadfarmer: That is a Chia level trade and I think Nurse isn’t as good as most on here

    Perfect! Your disapproval means that it’d be a great trade!

  186. Glovjuice says:

    pts2pndr: I agree. Trading Larsson when we don’t even have a true top four second pairing right D is stupid beyond belief! Trading Nuge is of the same kind of stupid. What you get in return wil not replace the value lost. Get good players keep good players and add good players. Trading Strome was stupid. Not moving Sekera and his 5.5 when you have been playing without him for the last two years and using that money for a bonafide second right pairing D is stupid. The correct moves are pretty simple. If they can’t be done making changes for change sake is like watching a dog chase his tail. Might be fun to watch for some but accomplishes nothing. My hope is we get someone in charge that has a modecum of common sense. If the right deal isn’t there don’t make a deal!

    Did you just say trading Strome was stupid? So, Spooner wasn’t the solution?

  187. leadfarmer says:

    v4ance: Perfect!Your disapproval means that it’d be a great trade!

    No idea what you mean by that.
    There’s not a huge market for goalies and Pionk is not very good
    If they are trading Nurse I would expect someone like Huberdeau or Trocheck coming back.
    Not a couple of magic beans

  188. Dicky94 says:

    Just tried the lottery simulator. Oilers got the 2nd pick. If this happens I will be happy and sad. Joys of being an Oiler fan!

  189. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Bouchard with 2G and 2A and Samorukov with 2 goals in a 7-4 London win.

    Bouchard is laying waste to the playoffs and Samorukov continues to impress even as Guelph is getting thrashed.

    These two dmen.

    Looks like Samorukov will be in Bakersfield shortly.

    I would really like for his stay to be extended by one game. Have Guelph win Game 4, then have the Knights win Game 5.

    So I can actually see it, and not have my friend’s tickets jump to the next round again…

  190. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    v4ance:
    Dennis Bernstein @DennisTFP

    I always appreciate the support!


    If Kings land McLellan, he’s the profile of what this organization needs now. Whether it works or not is another story. Ultimately, this hire will determine Rob’s legacy here.

    I would love for the Kings to hire McLellan!It would be exactly like how we hired Pat Quinn before we started our rebuild.Nothing like a dinosaur coach to send a team further into a tailspin!

    I figure if Mclellan gets hired, he’ll be out in 2 years as they blame him for the 30 year old Kings not performing at their 26year old selves!

    Kings are definitely in the running to get a stud in the draft. I know that Quick has had the yips lately in goal, but imagine what Todd could do if the Kings end up drafting a young superstar. Oh, wait …

  191. Reja says:

    texmex:
    Bouchard 2g 2a; samaroukov 2g

    7-4 knights in the 3rd

    Number one priority for Keith is dump cap get a couple of wingers sign nurse for 7 years at hometown money if not fire him into the sun while his value is at top market. Bouchard makes it out of camp along with Marody And Benson on the starting lineup for your Edmonton Oilers.

  192. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Lagesson was never a distant bell for me – loved this “new age’ d-man skillset every time I was able to see him play – big/strong/aggressive defensive d-man who can skate and move the puck – perfect.

    The year in Sweden did him good – played solid and increasing minutes against men in a good league.

    He’s blocked a bit by Russell/Sekera/Jones but that’s OK – starting and playing most of next year in the AHL won’t hurt him. If they move on from one of the incumbent 6, he’ll be a high injury call-up option.

    So, how was the Sushi master?

  193. JimmyV1965 says:

    pts2pndr: Trading Nuge now when you have no replacement is in my opinion not wise. Even if you have to trade him in two years at the dealine you are two years closer to McLeod or another drafted player able to take his place. You have almost two years of a good value center. Things could change drastically in that time frame. You would be jumping the gun by one year at least. Best case scenario if you trade him now is you may fill one hole while making another. Get as much value as you can without harming the team first is, I think a more prudent approach.

    If the Oilers don’t make meaningful changes this summer, the team will be amongst the worst in the league. What’s the point in keeping RNH? So we finish 26 rather than 30th? To be clear, I don’t want to trade RNH. I want the team to make meaningful changes. But if we simply nibble around the edges, it’s best trade RNH with two years left on his deal, rather than one. You either embrace the slow rebuild and trade potential UFAs or you make meaningful changes.

  194. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I believe Samorukov has the highest potential of any d-man on the team.

    Don’t get me wrong, Bouchard is the “better” prospect, much closer to the NHL and more of a lock for an NHL career.Bouchard even has top pairing offence.

    On the other hand, Samorukov has the overall skill-set to potentially be a legit top pairing/#1 guy.

    A very good and aggressive defender who is a good skater, can make unbelievable passes, has a plus shot and loves to rush the puck and activate in the offensive zone. That over-all skill set is real and spectacular.

    Miles to go to see how it develops.

    Wonder which teams were asking about him at the deadline? They obviously know their way around the young prospects.

  195. Reja says:

    pts2pndr: The community as a whole are not all that patient. An example is JP a 20 year old fourth overall draft choice than many here are on board with throwing him as an incentive to getshed of Lucic. With his less than ideal development and current value I would think it prudent to give him a minimum of one more season. Nurse and Nuge are mentioned as trade bait because of high value and the beat goes on. Many of the players that were traded prematurely fit into one of these catagories. Get good players, keep good players and add good players.

    Everyone is on the market except Connor Leon Bouchard and Benson. This group should have made the playoffs the last two years they know it the OBC knows it and so do l. Whose fault is it whose playing the game why is everything blamed on someone else. Comparing Katz to Ballard is complete nonsense why didn’t we take Tkachuk he was there had the blood lines and hands instead we pick Jesse nobody knows how involved his agent is but when they picked him it was to step in immediately and put the puck in the fuking net like every pick in the top 7 or lightning it up except Jesse. Whose fault is it generation millennia please enlighten me.

  196. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Reja: Everyone is on the market except Connor Leon Bouchard and Benson. This group should have made the playoffs the last two years they know it the OBC knows it and so do l. Whose fault is itwhose playing the game why is everything blamed on someone else. Comparing Katz to Ballard is complete nonsense why didn’t we take Tkachuk he was there had the blood lines and hands instead we pick Jesse nobody knows how involved his agent is but when they picked him it was to step in immediately and put the puck in the fuking net like every pick in the top 7 or lightning it up except Jesse. Whosefault is it generation millennia please enlighten me.

    When CBJ passed, it was a HUGE red flag. Tkachuk became the safe pick at that point, very low bust potential.

    Life goes on.

  197. v4ance says:

    Catherine Silverman @catmsilverman

    The Wild opting to move on from Andrew Thomas is both an awful move on their part and a potential gold mine for whatever team manages to woo him best. Finding someone who is both as genuinely personable as he is AND as good at the analytic side is like finding a unicorn.

    Hey Woodguy? Does this availability of Andrew change the roster of your analytics dream team?

    ***

    EDIT: Andrew set up the site WAR-on-ice before his hire with the Wild

  198. JimmyV1965 says:

    frjohnk: I think when a high pick fails to live up to their perceived potential, there are few things to look at

    1-team failed to develop player properly
    2-player failed to put in the work

    I also think that there are a group of players that do not fall into either of those categories in which the team invested alot of time and money in the player and the player put in the work but for whatever the reason, the player busted or did not meet expectations.

    One example is Calgary with their top picks in the last few years, they seemed to have developed Monahan and Tkachuk just fine but Bennett is nowhere near what most expected.Calgary seems to have a good development system, Bennett is a tireless worker so why couldnt he live up to his number 4 selection?

    I just think there are top prospects who just can not translate their skill to the next level.Bennett, Yak and JP would fall in here.

    The Flames didn’t develop Tkachuk. Just like we didn’t develop McDavid. They both were ready from day 1.

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