Value Contracts

by Lowetide

In the cap NHL, a player who can fill an important role (top six F, No. 3 C, top 4D, starting goalie) is worth his weight in gold. Edmonton’s 2019-20 value contracts are neither abundant or obvious, making the season in Bakersfield even more important. Edmonton needs value contracts, how many Condors can convert to the NHL?

I like to use NHLE’s to estimate quality, and the Oilers have been improving over recent seasons. Last year, there were six forwards over 30 NHLE, as well as two defensemen. How many this year?

THE ATHLETIC

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  • New LowetideHow high can these Condors fly?
  • Lowetide: Ron Hextall’s patient approach as GM would be shock to Oilers’ system
  • Jonathan Willis: Michael Futa’s success at the NHL Draft makes him a credible GM candidate for the Oilers
  • Lowetide: The Oilers possible summer trade pieces, and which longtime players might be saying goodbye.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ten prospects likely to be available when the Oilers make their first-round pick.
  • Jonathan Willis: Bob Nicholson mostly says the right things, but stalls on making changes to the Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The pressure’s squarely on Bob Nicholson to make right GM hire for Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers Report Cards: Few passing grades remain in season full of failure.
  • Lowetide: How winning the draft lottery and drafting Jack Hughes could transform the Oilers.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers have a trio of Condors blue pushing and all three are tracking well. How does this group compare to the Petry, Chorney, Wild college men from a decade ago?
  • Jonathan Willis: Connor McDavid’s frustration should be seen by the Oilers as a warning of possible disaster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers have another problem to solve: Lifting the cloud over a clearly frustrated Connor McDavid
  • Lowetide: What Mark Hunter’s draft record in Toronto means for his Oilers GM candidacy.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers, the republic of Finland and the 2019 draft.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers made a rare move and shopped the QMJHL at the 2018 draft. It could happen again.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers draft early, the WHL is loaded and there’s a lot of history.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.

COMPLETE NHLE 2018-19 FORWARDS

  • Marody’s 44 points is well clear of last year’s top number (Kailer Yamamoto, 39.6) and the highest NHLE since the Oilers drafted McDavid in 2015 (63).
  • Marody’s 44 NHLE was matched by Drake Caggiula when he signed with the Oilers. Both were 21 in the years in question.
  • Benson is in an area many AHL forwards reach, but not at 20 (at least Oilers prospects). Andrew Miller was 35 NHLE in 2015, but he was 25.
  • Joe Gambardella and Josh Currie are two forwards who might be able to catch on as value contracts who can PK and score some.
  • Kirill Maksimov showed very well, but some juniors have a tough time producing offense in the first season AHL.
  • Kailer Yamamoto had injury issues, but this was a disappointing step down in NHLE.
  • Ryan McLeod’s draft +1 is beyond Marco Roy (20) in his draft +1 season, but he production is disappointing. He needs to post more offense.
  • This is the secondary offensive group. Safin had an injury riddled campaign, suspect he’ll be at the big table next Easter.
  • I like Hebig, suspect he’ll have a strong second season in the AHL.
  • Polei is another favourite.
  • McPhee and Rasanen were part of the power outage at Boston College, both need to have better seasons in 2019-20.
  • I don’t have an NHLE for Patrik Siikanen, so he isn’t listed here.

COMPLETE NHLE 2018-19 DEFENSE

  • Bouchard’s draft +1 number, like his draft NHLE, is outstanding. Defensemen are tough to project. Darnell Nurse had a draft +1 NHLE of 19, and just posted 41 points in the NHL. Boxcars depend on feature role, same as it ever was. That said, Bouchard looks terrific.
  • Joel Persson arrives this fall with expectations. A lot of smart people believe he’ll have an impact. NHLE concurs.
  • Bear, Jones and Lagesson look like they are ready. Impossible for all of them to ascend to the NHL (with Bouchard and Persson), expect a cull sometime before April 2020.
  • Samorukov had a splendid year. He could pass a lot of people now that turns pro. It might take an adjustment year but you get the feeling he might arrive well before projection.
  • Michael Kesselring stepped up in a big way after the trade. A very raw player, his spike late is encouraging.
  • Berglund’s offense went down but his TOI increased to 19:02 from 17:03. His 5-on-5 goal differential fell to 29-28 from 34-23 a year ago. I’m not certain when or if he’ll come over, Oilers have until June 1, 2020 to get him signed.
  • Desharnais is a shutdown defenseman and his college career is over. Edmonton will need to sign him (and goalie Hayden Hawkey) by August 15 of this year. I suspect Edmonton will try to sign Hawkey.
  • John Marino has spiked as a player and appears to be returning for his senior season. That’s probably bad news for Edmonton. Mark Divver broke the news.
  • Phil Kemp is another fine defensive prospect matriculating well.

Interesting tweet. One of the things Edmonton’s new general manager would probably pursue is trade ideas surrounding some of the team’s higher cap earners. The injury to Lucic could impact things.

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jp

Glovjuice: Not Maksimov

Fair enough.

I worry about McLeod too since he hasn’t posted much offense.

Ryan

Not a bad if not painful read at the Sun.

https://edmontonsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/why-are-the-calgary-flames-so-far-ahead-of-the-edmonton-oilers

Excellent quote here:

The Oilers’ inability to fill their roster from within has really hurt them. It’s forced them to build the bulk of the team (12 players this year) via free agency, which puts them in cap trouble and limits their ability to make trades because they don’t have much to offer other than the core (lottery) pieces they can’t give up

Glovjuice

jp: So Benson, McLeod and Maksimov have the Glovjuice seal of approval?

Not Maksimov

Caribbeerman

OriginalPouzar,

The guy barely played 5 minutes a game in the NHL – hard to get a read on his skating let alone his overall game. That said – he did all that he could do as a rookie in the AHL – seems to me like he is very deserving of a fair shot to make the NHL team this fall.

jp

Ryan: How is Marody’s skating? I don’t watch the condors and didn’t pay much attention to him when he played in the NHL.

He didn’t look fast to my limited recollection.

Agree he didn’t. I haven’t seen him play in the AHL so OPs synopsis is appreciated.

jp

Maoriduvpoojt,

OriginalPouzar,

SwedishPoster,

I recall the injury but didn’t realize he never made it back. That would certainly explain it.

SwedishPoster

Maoriduvpoojt: I believe someone on here (Swedish Poster?) mentioned he was injured during the playoffs.

Yep he was injured. A big reason his team had an early exit. Sounded like he was close to returning for the last few games so shouldn’t be long term. But he’s an Oiler now so who knows.

Would have been nice to see him get a few games with the Condors, it would’ve helped him get an idea of what he needs to work on to adapt to NA hockey. He’s a smart player so a few reps could have made quite a difference methinks. He’s also not a natural fit for the NA style so there are some tweaks to be made if he’s to translate. But as mentioned, smart player with great technical tools as well so it’s certainly doable.
Will be extremely interesting to see how he fares, he could up being anything from a massive success story to guy who quickly fades out and moves on to the KHL/NLA. If he works out he’s a treat to watch, truly entertaining player.

OriginalPouzar

Ryan: How is Maroody’s skating? I don’t watch the condors and didn’t pay much attention to him when he played in the NHL.

He didn’t look fast to my limited recollection.

Marody’s skating isn’t an asset – that’s for sure. He seems fast enough in the AHL, however, from his short stint in the NHL, he really did seem to struggle with the speed.

I was watching his skating in the 2nd half and it did seem improved and I assume he’ll be working on it over the summer knowing its his main weakness.

OriginalPouzar

jp: Hopefully he can hold a regular spot in the lineup.

Also, on Persson, any idea if there was word on him coming over to Bakersfield for the playoffs? I assume he isn’t since Vaxjo has been out a while and he doesn’t appear to have made the trip. Any idea why? He’s not a real candidate for the World Championship team is he?

Wouldn’t think he’s got a real shot at the Worlds due to established NHL players – never know though.

Lets not forget, Persson missed the last few regular season games and the entire playoffs with a lower body injury. He may not want to come all the way over and play in the AHL for very little money (his current contract is his ELC so 2-way – next year he’s got a one-way deal which I like – will keep him in North America even if he doesn’t make the NHL and needs AHL time – way more money than he makes back home).

Ryan

jp: So Benson, McLeod and Maksimov have the Glovjuice seal of approval?

How is Marody’s skating? I don’t watch the condors and didn’t pay much attention to him when he played in the NHL.

He didn’t look fast to my limited recollection.

OriginalPouzar

I guess Russell was more valuable than Sekera down the stretch as he did play higher in the lineup than Reggie – at the same time, he was quite poor down the stretch and that 2nd pairing really struggled.

At the same time, although, yes, sheltered third pairing minutes, Reggie did absolutely solidify that third pairing and really helped Matt Benning calm his game down.

Reg did get a few games with 2nd pairing minutes with some in-game injuries and showed fine.

He did this while burning off essentially 2-years of rust and playing with no training camp and 5 months of “game shape” behind everyone else.

With a full camp next year I imagine he will be even better and can’t imagine him not being “more valuable” than Kris Russell.

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jp:

Also, on Persson, any idea if there was word on him coming over to Bakersfield for the playoffs? I assume he isn’t since Vaxjo has been out a while and he doesn’t appear to have made the trip. Any idea why? He’s not a real candidate for the World Championship team is he?

I believe someone on here (Swedish Poster?) mentioned he was injured during the playoffs.

jp

OriginalPouzar: Niagara eliminates – Maksimov likely on his way to the Condors soon which is going to be awesome.

Hopefully he can hold a regular spot in the lineup.

Also, on Persson, any idea if there was word on him coming over to Bakersfield for the playoffs? I assume he isn’t since Vaxjo has been out a while and he doesn’t appear to have made the trip. Any idea why? He’s not a real candidate for the World Championship team is he?

jp

Glovjuice: Marody won’t make the NHL.

So Benson, McLeod and Maksimov have the Glovjuice seal of approval?

OriginalPouzar

godot10:
The one thing that hasn’t been mentioned about the potential of McLeod returning to junior as an overager is that there may not be an available spot for him.Junior teams can only carry a couple of overagers. There might not be a spot for him.The commitment to be an overager for a team is made well before training camp.

It is not like he can just be sent back to Saginaw after training camp.

I don’t imagine its even been contemplated by the current management group nor will be by the new. To me its an out there idea that doesn’t make much sense for this particular player.

jp

oilersfan: Luke Glendenning is the hard target

Check your fancies oilers fans

He would
Move their PK from 31 to 20 just by winning all the face offs

There were 127 forwards to play 240+ minutes of PK time over the past 3 seasons.
Among them Glendenning ranked:
120/127 in CA/60
120/127 in FA/60
104/127 in SA/60
90/127 in GA/60
111/127 in SCA/60
110/127 in HDCA/60

He can win faceoffs but I’m not sure he helps a PK. He’s not good at even strength either.

I don’t see how Benning for Glendenning would help the team.

ArmchairGM

YKOil: In best-to-worstorder of usefulness and how much I like what they bring to the table (imo):

– Sekera, Russell, Lucic,

See, I see it differently. I would say Russell is the most useful of those players by far. IF Sekera can return to 2016 form then he rises to the top, but as it is he played a VERY sheltered 3rd pairing role this year and thus hasn’t proven to be anywhere near as useful as Russell. That’s not his fault of course, but that’s where we are today. Come October it may be different though.

ArmchairGM

Oilman99: Watch the replay, it was an unintentional knee on knee, DeBrusk actually lifts his leg to try to miss contacting Kadri. Kadri’s hit was an intentional attempt to injure, the suspension should be longer.

No love lost here for Kadri, believe you me. But I see attempt to injure hits in every playoff game, the result of the hit should be taken into account too. After what happened to Sekera…

SwedishPoster

Man. The Stanley cup playoffs are so awesome. Such a brilliant piece of entertainment. Sucks to not have a horse in the race.

godot10

The one thing that hasn’t been mentioned about the potential of McLeod returning to junior as an overager is that there may not be an available spot for him. Junior teams can only carry a couple of overagers. There might not be a spot for him. The commitment to be an overager for a team is made well before training camp.

It is not like he can just be sent back to Saginaw after training camp.

kgo

Lowetide:
Please don’t post personal information about anyone unless you can provide a link from a reputable news source confirming. Thanks!

Seriously? I watched Ales Hemsky smoke cigarettes when he was wasted after the bar numerous times….can’t find any links corroborating this claim but that doesn’t make it any less true

N64

Magnus:
Lowetide, not trying to be a jerk, but you’ve been using the word matriculate for years now and I don’t think it means what you think it means. The definition of matriculate is to be enrolled. As in to enroll in college. Not sure what you’re thinking it means, but describing players as enrolling doesn’t make much sense.

Usage around the world varies from enrollment to entrance exams to high school certificates.

u of alberta: Matriculation is the achievement of a minimum level of academic
preparation that would allow a prospective student to undertake and successfully
complete a particular university degree.

u of calgary: “The basic general admission requirement to the University is Alberta Grade XII senior matriculation or equivalent with required standing in five appropriate subjects with no grade below 50.”

dalhousie: “For the purposes of this rule junior matriculation means Nova Scotia grade 11 or equivalent, and senior matriculation means Nova Scotia grade 12 or equivalent.”

Canadian Journal of Higher Education: “Every university in Canada has provision for admitting non-matriculated adult students”

wikipedia: “Matriculation is the formal process of entering a university, or of becoming eligible to enter by fulfilling certain academic requirements such as a matriculation examination.”

Live and Learn, eh? 😉

The metaphor LT is employing is a prospect graduating from a program of apprenticeship to stable enrollment in the NHL. I don’t recall how many games LT uses for his cutoff. For NHL prospects the big complex milestone is becoming waiver eligible.

Scungilli Slushy

Pretendergast:
Poor taste by Ovi imo. wants to spark his team so he beats up a teenager. Kid just wants to fit in the league, Ovi knows better.

At one time he was a vicious head hunter that went unpunished. Absolute cheap and late shots with malice, few penalties.

IMO a filthy selfish player that can score goals at a league historic rate. I’m not sure much else will ever be said about him other than the goals. And the Cup where he decided to play a full game and they actually won.

I wouldn’t hold him up as a role model or anything.

OriginalPouzar

Decidedly Skeptical Fan: If Bouchard is NHL ready then he is NHL ready. Period. No bullshit rationalization. I don’t care about his age, where he last played, who is on the NHL roster, or who might have toiled in the AHL ahead of him and may be ready as well. Manage the fucking assets and the player development properly. That’s in the GM job description, no?

The same goes for McLeod. If he has not dominated his competition and could benefit returning to the CHL, then fine, leave him where he is. I don’t really care where he was drafted, how old he is, that it’s his draft plus whatever year, or how desperate the big club is for forward talent.

Agreed – if Bouchard is NHL ready he is NHL ready.

The thing is there is nothing that can be done by him in preseason to show that he is NHL ready. He can produce at a PPG and make wonderful Oiler passes while looking like our top dman – that would mean nothing as far as NHL readiness. We’ve seen top performances by kids in exhibition, year after year after year, from kids that have proven once the regular season starts are not NHL ready. It’s unfortunate but there is nothing Bouchard can do on camp to prove it.

The best he can do is go to the AHL, which is likely the proper league on any event, learn the pro game and show he’s too good for that league.

Given the org has 3-4 dmen who have been developing in top pro leagues and succeeding – showing in pro to be on the verge of NHL readiness, there is no reason to risk stunting or delaying Bouchard’s development by throwing him to the NHL as a rookie pro.

It is a very rare case when a solid prospect like McLeod coming off an OK year would be better served in junior than the AHL as a 20 plus year old. He didn’t crater this past year, he didn’t miss 3/4 of the year with injury – he performed all right in a secondary role on a strong team with lots of offensive options ahead of him.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

pts2pndr: I think what he is saying is that first round draft choices are often fast tracked. I understandthe premise but don’t necesarily agree. I do agree that keeing a prospect in junior for their overage year is generaly not a good idea.

Player development should be extremely player specific. We should not be talking about most players but about this particular player. Maybe he fits with the “most players” narrative but what if he doesn’t? Yes JP, I’m talking about you. And Brandon Carlo and many others. When management falls back on generalities and if/then logic, then they are relinquishing their management responsibility. You or OP or I can do just as well developing players if we are just following a script.

OP may be right on both these guys, I have no idea. I just think the thought process on how he gets there is problematic.

YKOil

RonnieB: You said ” If i had a 2RHD lined up i would consider it..”.

My assumption is that a 2RHD would carry a Cap hit in the $4 million neighbourhood.

I apologize for the disrespect. I can understand where you would see it that way, although i only intended it as a counterpoint.

You know, I never did mention another RHD. Given the Cap implications, there are four options:

1. internal – Jones, Bear, etc
2. trade for a mid-level player – Pysyk types
3. sign 1-yr UFA veteran – Girardi, Lovejoy
4. devote Cap resources to RHD at expense of other positions (Stralman for 2 years, Myers for 4 years, etc.)

Reading #4 I hope you get the idea that in options #1-3 resources are used to upgrade other positions and in doing so the defense gets better because it is pressured less.

Not great choices but the idea was that it was about moving on from Russell. Of the three Cap issues we have:

In best-to-worstorder of usefulness and how much I like what they bring to the table (imo):

– Sekera, Russell, Lucic,

In worst-to-best order of the pressure actually put on the Cap versus what they bring to the table (imo):

– Lucic, Sekera, Russell

The Lucic contract is the issue, just is.

pts2pndr

Decidedly Skeptical Fan: In one case he argues promotion should be based on pedigree, not merit. Then he proceeds to argue exactly the opposite in the next case. So which is it. It sounds kind of like making it up as you go. Don’t get me wrong, that’s certainly an option … the Oil have been using it for years. It just doesn’t work very well.

I think what he is saying is that first round draft choices are often fast tracked. I understandthe premise but don’t necesarily agree. I do agree that keeing a prospect in junior for their overage year is generaly not a good idea.

digger50

The best potential internal solution for next year is still Jessie P.

It would be something to see a new coach unlock his potential.

Pescador

OriginalPouzar: Team success is also important to developing players.A winning environment is quite helpful.

Keegan Lowe is important for team success and I would posit that it’s a poor idea to have all 6 every day dmen at 22 and under.At least one “AHL veteran” is important.

Persson will be 25,
Although we disagree,
I appreciate the debate and I respect your opinion.
It’s the AHL, I say play the kids.

flyfish1168

I love to share the golf course with the calgary phlegms by the end of the week. It is lonely out here without them

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

OriginalPouzar: What?

There is nothing to gain from McLeod going back to junior as an overager.He’s 20 now and it’s time to make the jump to pro hockey and the AHL – it’s time to learn the pro game and play against men.Dominating Kids as an overager will do little for his development.

For Bouchard, there is plenty to learn in the AHL as a rookie pro and that is the natural progression step.Just like the AHL is the natural progression step for McLeod.

Camp and exhibition success for young and high talent prospect means nothing as far as NHL readiness – we have seen that year after year after year – Puljujarvi and Yamamoto and Bouchard himself are great examples.

He may be NHL ready but the jump from the CHL to the AHL is huge let alone the NHL. I have little doubt Bouchard will excel on exhibition – he’ll produce and look great in transition but it means nothing as far as ready for regular season NHL hockey.There are 3-4 dmen in the org who have been developing in pro hockey and succeeding at the highest non NHL levels – the org has the opportunity to be low risk with their most important prospect and let him prove he’s NHL ready.

Yes, one needs to prove NHL readiness and the same doesn’t really apply to AHL readiness for a 20 year old.

If Bouchard is NHL ready then he is NHL ready. Period. No bullshit rationalization. I don’t care about his age, where he last played, who is on the NHL roster, or who might have toiled in the AHL ahead of him and may be ready as well. Manage the fucking assets and the player development properly. That’s in the GM job description, no?

The same goes for McLeod. If he has not dominated his competition and could benefit returning to the CHL, then fine, leave him where he is. I don’t really care where he was drafted, how old he is, that it’s his draft plus whatever year, or how desperate the big club is for forward talent.

Derek

Mike Smith is one more GA away from a meltdown, this could get good.

Derek

Pretendergast:
Poor taste by Ovi imo. wants to spark his team so he beats up a teenager. Kid just wants to fit in the league, Ovi knows better.

Yea, I suppose you could look at it that way. But the kid crosschecks him 3 or 4 times and asks for the fight.

Hopefully a lesson is learned and Svenchnikov is ok.

Pretendergast

Poor taste by Ovi imo. wants to spark his team so he beats up a teenager. Kid just wants to fit in the league, Ovi knows better.

Derek

That Ovi-Svechnikov fight was a poor decision by the kid.

Lordy.

OriginalPouzar

Decidedly Skeptical Fan:
So Bouchard has to “prove it” to get an opportunity to make the jump to the NHL, but for McLeod “pedigree” is all that is required to make the jump to the AHL. Hmm. I think there is a bit more to it than that. This kind of reasoning is precisely why Oiler player development has been and continues to be such a shitshow.

What?

There is nothing to gain from McLeod going back to junior as an overager. He’s 20 now and it’s time to make the jump to pro hockey and the AHL – it’s time to learn the pro game and play against men. Dominating Kids as an overager will do little for his development.

For Bouchard, there is plenty to learn in the AHL as a rookie pro and that is the natural progression step. Just like the AHL is the natural progression step for McLeod.

Camp and exhibition success for young and high talent prospect means nothing as far as NHL readiness – we have seen that year after year after year – Puljujarvi and Yamamoto and Bouchard himself are great examples.

He may be NHL ready but the jump from the CHL to the AHL is huge let alone the NHL. I have little doubt Bouchard will excel on exhibition – he’ll produce and look great in transition but it means nothing as far as ready for regular season NHL hockey. There are 3-4 dmen in the org who have been developing in pro hockey and succeeding at the highest non NHL levels – the org has the opportunity to be low risk with their most important prospect and let him prove he’s NHL ready.

Yes, one needs to prove NHL readiness and the same doesn’t really apply to AHL readiness for a 20 year old.

Scungilli Slushy

One thing that makes McLeod’s placement less clear is he has a NHL tool kit, now and had it last year, outside of offense, which is the concern that was noted on draft day.

If it wasn’t he’d have been a top 5 with that size, speed and defensive awareness

It is possible he may play better at the AHL level than with teenagers. He showed really well at camp.

It’s true every player is unique and the best plan for the player should be the deciding factor.

Scungilli Slushy

Ice Sage:
Real shame about the flames so afar this game. Real shame.

I know

Can barely type I’m so shook up

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

pts2pndr: Not that OP needs help but you are aurgueing apples and oranges. Both players are playing in the OHL. They are now both elligible to play in the ahl and that is where op says they should play. How is that different?

In one case he argues promotion should be based on pedigree, not merit. Then he proceeds to argue exactly the opposite in the next case. So which is it. It sounds kind of like making it up as you go. Don’t get me wrong, that’s certainly an option … the Oil have been using it for years. It just doesn’t work very well.

Bulging Twine

Flames resemble pylons right now. They can’t handle Colorado’s movement.

Ice Sage

Real shame about the flames so afar this game. Real shame.

Bulging Twine

Oh wow Makar scores in his first game. This kids hype is skyrocketing!

OriginalPouzar

Pescador: Keegan Lowe is no longer a prospect & should be traded.
Why would you block the progress of actual, material NHL prospects to give KLowe ice time?
If the Oilers manage to Russell and the plan is to replace his minutes with one of Lagesson or Jones that would be folly.
Currently there is not a spot for either in the top 6, let alone Bear

Team success is also important to developing players. A winning environment is quite helpful.

Keegan Lowe is important for team success and I would posit that it’s a poor idea to have all 6 every day dmen at 22 and under. At least one “AHL veteran” is important.

pts2pndr

Decidedly Skeptical Fan:
So Bouchard has to “prove it” to get an opportunity to make the jump to the NHL, but for McLeod “pedigree” is all that is required to make the jump to the AHL. Hmm. I think there is a bit more to it than that. This kind of reasoning is precisely why Oiler player development has been and continues to be such a shitshow.

Not that OP needs help but you are aurgueing apples and oranges. Both players are playing in the OHL. They are now both elligible to play in the ahl and that is where op says they should play. How is that different?

Gerta Rauss

YKOil: That last one is interesting. The year of pain. Not a hard thing to see happening to tell you the truth, circumstances could push this last option.

Tell that to Captain Janeway

pts2pndr

OriginalPouzar: Given Nicholson’s verbal about prospects in the AHL for longer and using Bouchard as an express example, I’m not so sure they do.

Given Persson, Bear and Jones all potentially NHL read on the right side (yes, Jones has played the right side almost exclusively as a pro), there is zero reason to put Bouchard in the NHL.Nothing he does in camp or preseason can show NHL readiness – the only thing he can do at this point to “prove” NHL readiness over any of those prospects is perform in the AHL.

I agree, which is why I am of the belief he should be given a min of half a season in the ahl. If he blows the doors off in the half season the team could decide to bring him up to the big club. Giving him time to adjust to pro hockey and play lots of minutes with less pressure makes sense. There is no need to rush Bouchard.

Buddy

Just watched the highlights from the women’s US-Finland final. What a joke.

Only way that is goalie interference is if that’s an Oiler scoring on an American team in the playoffs and Bettman is in the war room. That’s the only circumstance.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

Oilman99: Over ripening is BS, if the player is ready , put where he should be, in the NHL.

Yes. It’s called player development and asset management. You don’t purposely rush them (presumably because of need) and you don’t intentionally retard them.