Pet Sounds

Glen Sather was a man for his time. I don’t think any one individual today could handle all of the work, motivate by intimidation, suppress salaries and fleece Lou Nanne like Slats did a lifetime ago. Assuming the Oilers find a general manager who can judge talent like Sather, where will he start and what will he send away? It’s a fascinating conversation.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group.INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: The Milan Lucic saga rolls into Year 4 for Oilers with no easy answers
  • New Jonathan Willis: Who stays and who goes? An early projection of which players will remain on the Oilers’ roster in 2019-20
  • LowetideHow high can these Condors fly?
  • Lowetide: Ron Hextall’s patient approach as GM would be shock to Oilers’ system
  • Jonathan Willis: Michael Futa’s success at the NHL Draft makes him a credible GM candidate for the Oilers
  • Lowetide: The Oilers possible summer trade pieces, and which longtime players might be saying goodbye.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ten prospects likely to be available when the Oilers make their first-round pick.
  • Jonathan Willis: Bob Nicholson mostly says the right things, but stalls on making changes to the Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The pressure’s squarely on Bob Nicholson to make right GM hire for Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers Report Cards: Few passing grades remain in season full of failure.
  • Lowetide: How winning the draft lottery and drafting Jack Hughes could transform the Oilers.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers have a trio of Condors blue pushing and all three are tracking well. How does this group compare to the Petry, Chorney, Wild college men from a decade ago?
  • Jonathan Willis: Connor McDavid’s frustration should be seen by the Oilers as a warning of possible disaster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers have another problem to solve: Lifting the cloud over a clearly frustrated Connor McDavid
  • Lowetide: What Mark Hunter’s draft record in Toronto means for his Oilers GM candidacy.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers, the republic of Finland and the 2019 draft.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers made a rare move and shopped the QMJHL at the 2018 draft. It could happen again.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers draft early, the WHL is loaded and there’s a lot of history.
  • Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers and the OHL.

TAKING STOCK

The first thing ‘new Glen’ is going to do is take stock of his inventory. We’ve discussed some of these things recently, but let’s put them all in one place so we can revisit over the summer.

VALUE CONTRACTS

  • Minor leaguers: Cooper Marody, Caleb Jones and Tyler Benson.
  • Free agents: Joel Persson
  • Signed players: Connor McDavid

DRAFT PICKS

  • No. 8 overall
  • No. 38 overall
  • No. 89 overall
  • No. 100 overall
  • No. 163 overall
  • No. 193 overall

NEEDS

  • Two scoring wingers (Brett Connolly, Tyler Johnson)
  • Cap room (buyout or offload with retain)
  • No. 3 RH center (Riley Nash or internal solution Marody)
  • Top 4 RHD who can move the puck (Colin Miller)
  • Backup goalie (Thomas Greiss)

POSSIBLE ASSETS OUT

  • Adam Larsson
  • No. 8 overall 2019
  • Jesse Puljujarvi
  • First-round pick 2020
  • Jujhar Khaira
  • Matt Benning
  • Buyout/Retain

GETTING VALUE FOR THE PICKS

One of the questions I would ask all of the potential general mangers is “Do you think it’s a good idea to trade a pick for this team, this year?” Why would I ask that? Here are the Oilers most recent drafts and the picks dealt (and player chosen).

2016 PICKS TRADED

  • No. 93 (Jack Kopacka) to the Anaheim Ducks in the Patrick Maroon trade.
  • No. 206 (Otto Somppi) to the Tampa Bay Lightning in the Ziyat Paigin trade.

2017 PICKS TRADED

  • No. 53 (Jack Studnicka) traded to the Boston Bruins for Peter Chiarelli.
  • No. 82 (Cameron Crotty) traded to the Arizona Coyotes for Stuart Skinner pick.
  • No. 126 (Michael Karow) traded to the Arizona Coyotes for Stuart Skinner pick.

2018 PICKS TRADED

  • No. 71 (Jordan Harris) traded to Montreal for Olivier Rodrigue pick.
  • No. 102 (Jasper Weatherby) traded to Montreal for Al Montoya.
  • No. 133 (Samuel Houde) to Montreal for Olivier Rodrigue pick.

2019 PICKS TRADED

  • No. 65 to Philadelphia for Cooper Marody
  • No. 69 to Florida for Alex Petrovic
  • No. 131 to Montreal for Hayden Hawkey

I have no quarrel with trading a draft pick for full value, but if the Oilers don’t sign Hayden Hawkey two of the three picks dealt in 2018 won’t help this team in the future. A good rule of thumb is one pick for each round, and Edmonton is close at the 2019 draft (six picks, including four inside the top 100 overall).

It’s time to play ‘a bunch of guys I like’ based purely on math. Link is here.

  • I moved Brian Tracey up from 85 to 48 on my most recent list. Central moved him from 73 to 21. Math must match the visual.
  • Ron Attard from Sioux City of the USHL moved up from 143 to 76 NA. He’s an offensive blue, has a howitzer of a shot. Overager.
  • I have Blake Murray ranked No. 39. CSB has him NA 104. I bet he’s way better than a fifth rounder.
  • I have Nando Eggenberger No. 65, CSB has him 127 NA. One of us is wrong.
  • Nathan Staios, Steve’s son, is No. 182 CSB NA.
  • Not much changes on my list between now and the June 1 publish date for my final countdown. I will tell you the tournaments to come impact the Euro rankings in a big way.

WHAT WOULD GLEN DO?

I honestly think Sather would show patience, recognizing that Chiarelli’s aggressive plan reaped only short term (and fleeting) results. Grabbing Peyton Krebs in the first round, maybe signing Tyler Ennis or Brandon Pirri instead of a big money addition.

I also think he would allow all of these young blue to rise in competition with each other. There’s no doubt in my mind he would take two rookies on blue this fall if he thought they had earned it. I don’t know if the current Oilers have that kind of ‘outside the box’ thinking. Then again, who are the ‘current Oilers’ anyway?

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy day with terrific guests! It all starts at 10, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. Oilers summer: Who is likely to stay, and who is likely to go?
  • Andy McNamara, TSN4Downs. Russell Wilson’s walking around money, NFL draft.
  • Ryan Holt, Bakersfield Condors play by play. The Condors won the division, playoffs start Friday.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. CallighenMan says:

    Wilde: This post did a few things at once.

    Let’s go line by line – there’s a lot of misinformation and misnomenclature packed in tight.

    Just in case anybody reading actually wants to know what the counter is to these nonsense rebuttals, that ended up just thinly veiled attacks on the person and not the argument.

    Lol

    I will absolutely not “stick to hockey”. I didn’t know people still said that. We all have every right to speak to matters that matter to us, just as you have a right to respond to me when I do. The difference (one of them) between you and I is that I’m never going to tell you you’re not allowed to speak about anything you’re interested in – and I promise that’s not /just/ for the comedic value.

    As an aside, it is funny that you think that whatever amount of thoughtfulness and effort I put into understanding a children’s game, I wouldn’t also put that same amount into much heavier subjects like political economy, sociology and history. I’ve studied those things MORE than I’ve studied hockey.

    I’m interested in why you’re jumping all the way to Socialism. Do you know that there’s something in between austere neoliberalism, deficit-hawking and supply-side econ tax-cutting and…. fucking Communism? Do you know that?

    Do you know that, under Capitalism, you can deliver better wages to workers, better access to physical and mental health care. better working conditions, more vacation and leisure time, more job stability and overall more happiness for the average person than what will be delivered by the economic agenda that’s pushed by unfathomably rich oligarchs?

    To frame any option that’s not the economic agenda of the modern North-American right-wing as “Socialism” is to swallow whole every lie and piece of propaganda the media and pundit class has fed you.

    This being one of them.

    I don’t know why you think anyone criticizing lassez-faire, unregulated and unrestrained capitalism and yearning for a less tortured working class is a Maoist operative (or whatever nonsense like that you seem to think) but I will take on the role of the Socialist in debunking this exhausted, embarrassing, 40-year old John Birch Society talking point.

    In order to attribute ‘over 100 million deaths in the 20th century alone’ to Socialism, you actually end up leaving Capitalism open for the most scathing critique possible.

    That’s to say, if you make the rules loose enough for that, then everyone who has died because their basic needs were commodified under Capitalism, and they couldn’t afford them; everyone who has died in a for-profit war; everyone who has died because they questioned Capitalism or tried to reform it; everyone who has (and will) die from the externalities that Capitalism doesn’t account for, all of these people would be on the death toll of Capitalism.

    That’s to say, it wouldn’t be a winning game, or a winning argument, for a Capitalist to make against a Socialist.

    Apply the same to the ‘ruination of economies’. How’s the ultimate lassez-faire-capitalist country, the US of A been doing over the last 40 years? Seems like the more than they recklessly financialize their economy, the more they’ve declined? Weird, huh?

    Weird, how a poor person in Cuba has a better quality of life than a poor person in the US.

    Actually, honestly, the ‘ruination of economies’ part might be even MORE laughable.

    Russia was the poorest country in Europe before the Soviet Union. China was in absolute destitution before their revolution(s).

    If you’re going to whine about repression, and pretend that only under Socialism that dissent has been punished (absurd and ahistorical), then at least stick to that.

    I will reiterate, though, for anyone reading, how absolutely hilarious it is to call someone else ‘economically illiterate’ when you don’t know the absolute basics of anything beyond ancient talking points and aggression.

    If your response to a critique of neoliberalism and late-stage capitalism is to whine about Socialism, not knowing that there’s anything in between those two things, you’re lost, dude.

    For anyone else reading this, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the economy is going to suffer a major crash soon, and we’re going to have to do something other than business-as-usual to stem the bleeding. You’re going to hear a lot of what this poster has said to me, at this time, from both the ownership class themselves and from whoever’s swallowed their bullshit. Don’t believe them. We deserve better, and a better way is possible.

    Consider the poison, and lack of substance, in the response I just got from Munny to a post that was merely words of consolation and support to someone whose family will be hurt, undeservingly and through no fault of their own, by the fiscal policy that has been pushed by people who have more money and power than everyone who is apart of this community, combined.

    It isn’t because Munny is some uniquely bad person. It’s because narratives and beliefs have been pushed on us every single day, to the point that simply intimating that we can and deserve to do better for each other is some heretical act that deserves to be ridiculed and the author to be called “economically illiterate”, and condescendingly told to stay out of matter that matter to me, you, and everyone else. There’s something wrong with that.

    Final note: A catastrophe. A. Not AN catastrophe.

    Catching up on articles … wow, slow clap for Mr. Wilde. I wouldn’t have been so diplomatic if I had responded to Mr. Money. … er ….

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