Game 3 Pacific Division Semis: Eagles at Condors

The Bakersfield Condors will play its first home playoff game in team AHL history tonight, against the Colorado Eagles. After winning the opener on the road, Bakersfield lost game two in the best of five and that sets up a massive game tonight.

WILDE’S 5-on-5 CORSI NUMBERS

Wilde’s brilliant work offers us a window into usage and success, with the first line, the third line plus second and third pairings enjoying some high times.

OKLAHOMA CITY BARONS 2013 SPRING

While we’re doing these GDT’s, I thought it might be an idea to look back on Todd Nelson’s bunch in OKC back in the day. Game Three of the Barons series against the Charlotte Checkers also saw the teams enter the game tied 1-1. Here’s what I wrote at the time:

The OKC Barons and Charlotte Checkers are tied at 1 each and play game three in their series tonight. The big offensive stars for the Barons are Mark Arcobello (2, 3-2-5), Josh Green (2, 1-3-4) and Toni Rajala (2, 0-3-3).

Rajala is going to get some attention as things roll forward, he’s earned it. An article here suggests the important people in the organization are aware of his season:

Coach Todd Nelson: “Who knows how many points he would have had if he had been here all season? He might’ve been a candidate for Rookie of the Year. We’re extremely pleased with the way he’s produced.”

More Nelson: “His skill set is very high. Besides seeing the ice well and setting up other guys for goals he has a knack for putting the puck in the net. It seems every game there’s something new he tries. And he actually ends up completing the move.”

Could be nothing, probably nothing. Still, they’re not writing stories about the 2nd round picks in OKC, they’re writing them about the little Finn that could.

Arcobello ended up having an NHL career, Oilers bought out Rajala. Part of that was managerial change (GM’s draft gold nuggets, their replacement GM’s take out the trash) and part of it was size bias. Rajala could play. That’s a fact.

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pretty excited for the Condors game tonight – Missed all but the 1st period of game 2 while overseas.

    With home ice and coming off a loss, will Bouchard get inserted in to the lineup? I’m hoping but am not expecting. I saw that Stanton was interview meaning he’s playing. Day is the only other option to come out (and the likely option) and he’s been a key part of the PP and offence all season and was a startin game 1.

    Also hopeful that Yamamoto is healthy enough to play but, again, not expecting it. Last I heard from Woodcroft last week was “day to day” but didn’t really sound like he was all that close.

  2. ArmchairGM says:

    Bear’s 69.1 CF% shines like a diamond… it looks like Jones – Lagesson is getting the lions share of the tough minutes.

  3. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Pretty excited for the Condors game tonight – Missed all but the 1st period of game 2 while overseas.

    With home ice and coming off a loss, will Bouchard get inserted in to the lineup? I’m hoping but am not expecting. I saw that Stanton was interview meaning he’s playing. Day is the only other option to come out (and the likely option) and he’s been a key part of the PP and offence all season and was a startin game 1.

    Also hopeful that Yamamoto is healthy enough to play but, again, not expecting it. Last I heard from Woodcroft last week was “day to day” but didn’t really sound like he was all that close.

    I imagine if Yamamoto is healthy he’ll be in the lineup. He’s a clear upgrade on at least 2 of the RWers… The trouble with Bouchard is, who do you pull out? All the RDs are playing well, at least by the numbers.

  4. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    ArmchairGM: I imagine if Yamamoto is healthy he’ll be in the lineup. He’s a clear upgrade on at least 2 of the RWers… The trouble with Bouchard is, who do you pull out? All the RDs are playing well, at least by the numbers.

    I would imagine not. Why would you play a smurf just returning from injury against a team that thrives on gooning it up? And where would you play him? Not in place of Currie or Russell. Gust? Maybe, but I think Gust is likely to be more effective on that 3rd line than Kailer would be. 4th line isn’t even really a consideration.

  5. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: I would imagine not. Why would you play a smurf just returning from injury against a team that thrives on gooning it up? And where would you play him?Not in place of Currie or Russell. Gust? Maybe, but I think Gust is likely to be more effective on that 3rd line than Kailer would be. 4th line isn’t even really a consideration.

    Isn’t it better Yama learns how to do his thing in the A than the N? If he is the better player put him in wherever and let him learn and prove he has what it takes. It’s only getting harder in the future if he is going to make it. And a first rounder gets the nod over others because of the asset spent.

  6. oilersfan says:

    I wonder if rajala could play in the nhl now. Iirc he was very fast with a wicked shot

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Bear’s 69.1 CF% shines like a diamond… it looks like Jones – Lagesson is getting the lions share of the tough minutes.

    The Benson/Marody/Currie line has also been dominant in possession – its only a matter of time before they hit the scoreheet – as long as they take a step back and stop pressing which I found they started doing last game (at least in first period).

    Jones has been 1st pairing pretty much all year and has been with Lagesson for a while now – Manson relies on the pairing in all situations (well not PP for Lagesson).

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: I imagine if Yamamoto is healthy he’ll be in the lineup. He’s a clear upgrade on at least 2 of the RWers… The trouble with Bouchard is, who do you pull out? All the RDs are playing well, at least by the numbers.

    Well, yes, of course, if Kailer is healthy, he’s in the lineup – what I was getting at was info on if he’s ready to go. Last week Woodcroft mentioned he remains “day to day” but then went immediately to talk about the four forwards he got back (3 from NHL and Russell from injury). While he did say “day to day”, I didn’t get the impression he was all that close. At the same time, I am hopeful prior to every game.

    The only realistic options for Bouchard are Stanton and Day – and I’m not really sure if Stanton is an option unless they want to mess with the rest of the pairs by moving Jones to the left side. Both Day and Stanton are solid parts of the defence and have been contributors to the team. At the same time, I don’t think it would be egregious to have Day sit for a game and throw in Bouchard in the name of development. For all we know, it immediately makes the team better – Bouch has the offensive skill set and Day is still very “middling” without the puck.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: I would imagine not. Why would you play a smurf just returning from injury against a team that thrives on gooning it up? And where would you play him?Not in place of Currie or Russell. Gust? Maybe, but I think Gust is likely to be more effective on that 3rd line than Kailer would be. 4th line isn’t even really a consideration.

    He would 100% be in the lineup the second he is healthy enough – I have zero doubt in that.

    No, i wouldn’t think that Woodcroft would change up the top two lines but he’d probably slide in with Vesel and Esposito which is where he played prior to Currie being called up. He was also starting to dominate games on that 3rd line, driving offence and creating offensive chances consistently even with the lesser talented linemates.

    There is zero chance that Yamamoto would be a healthy scratch. He could be the team’s best player on any given night.

    The use of the word “smurf”, to me, shows bias against the player and what he brings to the team.

  10. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar: He would 100% be in the lineup the second he is healthy enough – I have zero doubt in that.

    No, i wouldn’t think that Woodcroft would change up the top two lines but he’d probably slide in with Vesel and Esposito which is where he played prior to Currie being called up.He was also starting to dominate games on that 3rd line, driving offence and creating offensive chances consistently even with the lesser talented linemates.

    There is zero chance that Yamamoto would be a healthy scratch.He could be the team’s best player on any given night.

    The use of the word “smurf”, to me, shows bias against the player and what he brings to the team.

    I agree with every word. Yamamoto has had a difficult season, but a strong playoff performance would end the season on a positive and could help launch him into next season. They’ll want to see him play a lot, especially on the power play.

  11. Ben says:

    Yes! Now let’s go Sharks…

  12. Professor Q says:

    Raptors win, Leafs lose.

    A decent night.

  13. PinkSocks says:

    Flames and Leafs out? Since the lottery balls were not in our favor, this is our Stanley.

  14. Pouzar says:

    Mike Griffith

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    The @Condors take the ice for warmups with an extra skater. Looks like F Nolan Vesey could be in for Cameron Hebig, BUT D-man Evan Bouchard also on the ice for seven D. Bouchard, the 10th overall pick by @EdmontonOilers in 2018, just up to the #AHL after junior season ended..

  15. jp says:

    ArmchairGM:
    From this morning:

    You’re missing an important link here. Most of Puljujarvi’s “Lucic Time” also featured McDavid on the ice, for most of his time away from Lucic McDavid was also on the bench. If you use the Line Tool on NST you’ll see what I mean. SO, Lucic wasn’t helping Puljujarvi, he just happened to be there when McDavid was. And, if you look at JP’s numbers with McDavid but without Lucic, they go WAY UP.

    From post #2 of the day:

    Thanks for mentioning it, I haven’t been using the line tool and should start.

    So, now using the line tool (for Puljujarvi’s career, which coincides with Lucic’s time with the Oilers), unless I’m reading it wrong Lucic-McDavid-JP actually perform better than McDavid-JP without Lucic. So Lucic was a boost, not a drag on McDavid-JP minutes. Are you using a different time window?

    And because both Lucic and JP played minutes with McDavid but without the other, the correct original comparison would be JP with Lucic (no McDavid) vs JP without Lucic (no McDavid). In that comparison Lucic-JP is again better than JP without Lucic. Despite what our eyes see, JP has been better off for having Lucic as a linemate, even if Connor isn’t part of the mix. Huh.

    As an aside, is there a way to look at individual scoring (P/60) with the line tool? I only saw the option for on ice stats.

    Also, that Lucic-McDavid-JP line looks like it should potentially be revisited. Lucic is a drag on raw offence, but that trio has been over 55% in every metric with a 70% GF%. Maybe it’s not repeatable, but Lucic and Puljujarvi are seemingly both near useless without McDavid. McDavid might be better with other wingers, but if he can turn those two 55% CF/SF/GF players I feel like it would be a win for the team overall.

    One more thing, I find it upsetting that NST’s default changes to playoffs rather than regular season at times like this when the Oilers are not in the playoffs.

  16. Reja says:

    PinkSocks:
    Flames and Leafs out? Since the lottery balls were not in our favor, this is our Stanley.

    Oilers will be the next Canadian team to win the cup

  17. Professor Q says:

    When will Matthews ask out of this losing culture in Toronto? The League deserves him on a better team.

  18. Southern Oil says:

    PinkSocks:
    Flames and Leafs out? Since the lottery balls were not in our favor, this is our Stanley.

    You really could not have scripted that first round better IMO

  19. HT Joe says:

    Professor Q:
    When will Matthews ask out of this losing culture in Toronto? The League deserves him on a better team.

    Why do you think he only signed a 5 years deal (unlike McDavid’s 8). Matthews saw the writing on the wall…

    :\

  20. Jethro Tull says:

    I can hear LT silently gloating that his Bruins shit-canned the Leafs…….AGAIN!

  21. HT Joe says:

    Congrats Lowetide on the Bruins advancing… for your sake I hope they go far.

  22. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Reja: Oilers will be the next Canadian team to win the cup

    ^^^ THIS!

    No other Canadian team shall win lord Stanley!!!

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    Evan Bouchard is taking the warm-up but they have an extra body out there so we still wait….

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yamamoto is out.

    Hebig is out

    Can’t confirm the defence yet – perhaps 11/7 as per Holt.

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    HT Joe: Why do you think he only signed a 5 years deal (unlike McDavid’s 8).Matthews saw the writing on the wall…

    :

    To maximize the salary on his 2nd contract and potentially get 3 big contracts?

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard is playing. Condors going with 11/7.

  27. Reja says:

    Ben:
    Yes! Now let’s go Sharks…

    I see Vegas winning 4-1 they have some real gamers on that well built club.

  28. jp says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: I would imagine not. Why would you play a smurf just returning from injury against a team that thrives on gooning it up? And where would you play him?Not in place of Currie or Russell. Gust? Maybe, but I think Gust is likely to be more effective on that 3rd line than Kailer would be. 4th line isn’t even really a consideration.

    LOL

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

    Anyone else having trouble with a really choppy AHL TV feed? This has rarely happened to me all year long.

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kid line with a 3-2 and Currie set up for a solid shot from the slot but it was blocked.

    Day takes the first third pairing shift (not Bouchard).

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    Both these teams have dynamic top lines but the Eagles is led by a 28 year old Agozzino – not quite a prospect.

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    That was a fantastic PK by the Condors.

    No shots against, didn’t even allow the Eagles to set up.

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors physical early – Malone with a real solid hit on the PK and that’s followed up by a nice one by Currie – Benson through a hit earlier as well.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Will we see Bouchard on this PP?

    For parts of the season, Bear struggled to get PP time over Day and Jones so I’m guessing not.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard, Day, Currie, Benson, Marody on PP1.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Francouz with a big save on a Bear shot from the top of the circles.

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    Stanton opens the scoring with a one-timer PP goal.

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard with the primary assist on the Stanton goal (Polei with the 2nd assist).

  39. Lowetide says:

    Bouchard gets an apple, 1-0 on a Stanton goal (Polei second assist).

  40. Pouzar says:

    Y – Bakersfield Condors

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    Give the helpers to the two Evans @polei10 & @EvanBouchard02 – 1-0 with 9 min. left on Stanton’s first. #TheAfterParty

  41. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    Arcobello ended up having an NHL career, Oilers bought out Rajala. Part of that was managerial change (GM’s draft gold nuggets, their replacement GM’s take out the trash) and part of it was size bias. Rajala could play. That’s a fact.

    It’s fun that Arcobello and Rajala were 2nd and 4th in Swiss NLA scoring this season. And your MAP was 20th at 33 years of age.

    I knew Rajala’s contract was terminated, but always assumed it must have been on the players request. What possible negative is there to having a young, high end player for your farm team, even if you’ve ruled him out of the NHL plans due to size bias?

    And FWIW Rajala never did score back in Europe like someone who should have been in the NHL. He’s never quite reached a PPG in the SHL, KHL or NLA. A guy like Omark continued to look like he could have been an NHLer after his foray into North America. So Rajala’s departure doesn’t hurt much in hindsight, for me anyway.

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors just dominating early. Eagles don’t have a shot yet and we are almost 12 minutes in to the first.

  43. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Flames out. Leafs out. Man, I’m happy!!! All is right with the world. Not as good as an Oiler win but I’ll take it!!

  44. Pouzar says:

    jp: And your MAP was 20th at 33 years of age.

    #OverRipe

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kid line just coming in waves, every shift – back to regular season dominance so far.

    Only a 1-goal lead though as Francouz has been solid.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    Franzouz has to make another solid save off a rebound of a Bouchard shot.

    Shots are 11-0 so far.

  47. jp says:

    Pouzar: #OverRipe

    This is true, though I also agree with LT that he could have had a substantial NHL career with a little luck.

  48. Lowetide says:

    Defensemen with 11 of 17 shots in the first for Bakersfield, just one shot for Eagles.

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    Best Eagle in the first period was Pavel Francouz. He is the only reason the Condors don’t have a multiple goal lead.

    Kid line was dominant for the Condors – shift after shift.

    Bouchard only a couple of shits in addition to the PP shifts but he made a solid play in a battle behind his own net and was able to get a shot through that created a rebound.

    Shots finish 17-1 and the only shot for the Eagles was essentially from the corner – maybe a foot in front of the goal line.

  50. HT Joe says:

    OriginalPouzar: To maximize the salary on his 2nd contract and potentially get 3 big contracts?

    Sorry I wasn’t clear, I meant to write that in a joking manner (I do understand why he did it).

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Defensemen with 11 of 17 shots in the first for Bakersfield, just one shot for Eagles.

    A couple of them were absolute bombs by Bear.

  52. Old Timer says:

    Professor Q,

    Agree wholeheartedly. Very obvious that Babcock was seriously out coached in game 7.

    Overall quite a nice evening.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    Stanton is real good at the AHL level – a material part of the offence tonight so far.

    I thought he’d have a real shot to be a depth d-man for the Oilers when signed a few years ago but he got hurt early and then never really got another real shot at the NHL and then the real prospects showed up.

    He’s been huge for Bakersfield the last few years and I think they will miss him next year (assuming he’s not re-signed) – I don’t see Manning playing the mentor role quite the same.

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    A wonderful SH set up of Joe G. by Luke Esposito and the Condors are up 2-0.

    Great play by Esposito.

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouch with a wrist shot from the point – tipped in by Polei.

    3-0 Condors – two points for Bouch.

  56. Bulging Twine says:

    Thanks for the updates OP! Keep ’em coming plz

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    Eagles get one back on a 4 on 4 but Bouch gets that one back with a shot from the right point.

    1G and 2A for Bouch half way through.

    Guess he’ll be back in the lineup on Sat.

  58. Ice Sage says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Eagles get one back on a 4 on 4 but Bouch gets that one back with a shot from the right point.

    1G and 2A for Bouch half way through.

    Guess he’ll be back in the lineup on Sat.

    Bah, flash in the pan 😉

  59. Derek says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Eagles get one back on a 4 on 4 but Bouch gets that one back with a shot from the right point.

    1G and 2A for Bouch half way through.

    Guess he’ll be back in the lineup on Sat.

    How does he look in his own end?

  60. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Ice Sage: Bah, flash in the pan

    Yup … back in the AHL next year. No chance he could possibly be ready for the big show. He has to learn how to play against men down here for at least half a year.

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowe’s point shot knocked down and Polei finds it and it makes it 5-1 – this team is just dominating. Colorado not even in the same league tonight.

    2G/1A for Polei.

    34-8 are the shots on net.

  62. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Eagles get one back on a 4 on 4 but Bouch gets that one back with a shot from the right point.

    1G and 2A for Bouch half way through.

    Guess he’ll be back in the lineup on Sat.

    Yeah, wow.

    I’m also curious about the already asked “how does he look in his own end?” question. And is he playing much/regularly? Just scoring every time out? Are they rotating 7 D? Or did he take someone’s spot?

    Seems to be a dominant game by the Condors based on boxscore and reports. Appreciate the updates!

  63. Reja says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Yup … back in the AHL next year. No chance he could possibly be ready for the big show. He has to learn how to play against men down here for at least half a year.

    Evan on draft day looked older than half the league they targeted and wanted him because he plays right D Powerplay QB and he was the most ready to play over Dobson and smith. If we can get a right shot shooter and with Bouchard on the powerplay I could see it being top 3

  64. Ben says:

    Looks like Burgers not gonna get to interview the Smooth McCriminal after all.

  65. Pouzar says:

    You can scratch Kelly McCrimmon off the list.

  66. Ben says:

    Also of note: gotta be a real chance this is Jumbo Joe’s last game.

  67. slopitch says:

    Bouchard on the 4th goal, skates backwards to create space for the shot at the right pace to stay inside the line and finds the gap to the net. You dont teach that. 1-2 in his first ahl game and its the playoffs. V nice start.

    I have time for Kadri all day. Might be cheap when Marner asks for 12 mill (deservedly). Im starting to get wxcited by the names potentially in play here – Subban, Ellis, Kadri, Nylander. If only we had cap spave. Le sigh.

  68. Ice Sage says:

    San Jose, man, like a rich man’s Oilers, finding new ways to flame out of the playoffs for 13 years of elite talent. #cheechookoochoo

  69. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja: Oilers will be the next Canadian team to win the cup

    Agreed.

  70. Andy Dufresne says:

    Professor Q:
    When will Matthews ask out of this losing culture in Toronto? The League deserves him on a better team.

    Slow Clap. 🙂

  71. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Damn Vegas… without the Sharks in the playoffs, I don’t really have a “pick” for the west conference cause I don’t really like any of those teams (for various reasons). Only really liked SJ and Nashville to begin with. I guess if I HAD to pick one, it would be the Blues.

    In the east, I’m not too fond of any remaining teams. Just for sure didn’t want the leafs getting through. I guess I would be ok with Ovi getting one more cup, and maybe Boston I guess. I can’t back the canes cause they stole our cup in 2006, and NYI is a no-go since it will have been the Oilers that are almost directly responsible for providing them with half their forwards (in oilers fan logic world). The NHL will no doubt mock us further saying that we could have had all those players and maybe won the cup by now.

  72. Ben says:

    NHL so bush. Penalize the play, not the injury. No way that’s a major on Eakin.

  73. flyfish1168 says:

    Pouzar:
    You can scratch Kelly McCrimmon off the list.

    Not so soon. 5 minute major for Eakin.

  74. Pouzar says:

    Ducks within one.

  75. Ice Sage says:

    Whoops spoke too soon!
    Gallant could spontaneously combust

  76. Pouzar says:

    OH MY GAWD

  77. Pouzar says:

    Getzlaf ties it.

  78. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Ben:
    Also of note: gotta be a real chance this is Jumbo Joe’s last game.

    This is sad… I was pulling for him and the Sharks to win lord Stanley every year that the oilers didn’t make the playoffs… (which was basically every year)
    Seeding mean nothing at all for this years playoffs.

  79. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Wait… WHAT?!?!

    GO SHARKS GO!!!

  80. Pouzar says:

    Somehow…this will screw the Oilers.

  81. Ice Sage says:

    Reminds me of the Oil’s comeback in ’97 vs stars. But they didn’t need a 5 min PP!

  82. Pouzar says:

    Just wow. I was going to go to bed. Wow.

    Perry scores to give Ducks the lead!

  83. flyfish1168 says:

    eakins going to be popular.

  84. Ben says:

    WHATTHEFUCK

  85. Pouzar says:

    Now go get the insurance goal.

  86. flyfish1168 says:

    Ice Sage:
    Reminds me of the Oil’s comeback in ’97 vs stars.But they didn’t need a 5 min PP!

    Kings 5 goal comeback

  87. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    HOLY SHIT!!! When was the last time you’ve seen a team score 4 goals in one PP!?

    Betcha Cody Eakins is crawling under a rock right now…

  88. slopitch says:

    Kesler has been hacking at players all game. Perry pretends not to see the goalie, skates right into him

    Spits

  89. slopitch says:

    Holy shit! I went to bed thinking this game was over!

  90. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja: Evan on draft day looked older than half the league they targeted and wanted him because he plays right D Powerplay QB and he was the most ready to play over Dobson and smith.

    SLOPITCH says:
    April 23, 2019 at 10:09 pm
    “Bouchard on the 4th goal, skates backwards to create space for the shot at the right pace to stay inside the line and finds the gap to the net. You dont teach that.”

    The most in depth player comparisons from that draft had Bouchard ahead of Dobson and Smith as a PP Quarterback for his abilty to hold the line, walk the line, change the angle of his shot to get it through to the net etc.

    Watching Morgan Riley tonight transverse the line while skating backwards made me wish/hopeful that Bouchard had this particular skill. No other Oilers Dman has that skill/tool.

  91. Ice Sage says:

    flyfish1168: Kings 5 goal comeback

    ouch, that was repressed!
    Vegas living up to it’s win big / lose big billing

  92. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Reja: Evan on draft day looked older than half the league they targeted and wanted him because he plays right D Powerplay QB and he was the most ready to play over Dobson and smith. If we can get a right shot shooter and with Bouchard on the powerplay I could see it being top 3

    Gee Reja, I dunno.

    He may be NHL ready but the jump from the CHL to the AHL is huge let alone the NHL. I have little doubt Bouchard will excel in exhibition – he’ll produce and look great in transition but it means nothing as far as ready for regular season NHL hockey. There are 3-4 dmen in the org who have been developing in pro hockey and succeeding at the highest non NHL levels – the org has the opportunity to be low risk with their most important prospect and let him prove he’s NHL ready.

    Yup … half a season in the AHL for Bouch, no way around it.

  93. Pouzar says:

    My Gord this game is insane

  94. Ice Sage says:

    Pouzar:
    My Gord this game is insane

    Yeah, that’s some incredibly skilled, desperate hockey.

  95. Ryan says:

    Welcome to Edmonton Kelly Mccrimmon.

  96. Bulging Twine says:

    ho oh ho ho
    crazy excitement in SJ

  97. flyfish1168 says:

    Nothing better than OT in game 7

    Opps double overtime

  98. Ice Sage says:

    OT seems fitting. Epic game.

  99. v4ance says:

    Ryan,

    ummm… not so fast…

  100. Ben says:

    Ba.Na.Nas.

  101. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Booo…. damn Vegas and their bees…

  102. theDjdj says:

    slopitch:
    Bouchard on the 4th goal, skates backwards to create space for the shot at the right pace to stay inside the line and finds the gap to the net. You dont teach that. 1-2 in his first ahl game and its the playoffs. V nice start.

    I have time for Kadri all day. Might be cheap when Marner asks for 12 mill (deservedly). Im starting to get wxcited by the names potentially in play here – Subban, Ellis, Kadri, Nylander. If only we had cap spave. Le sigh.

    It seems there’s a real sense of urgency to address Preds underachieving Thing is with Ellis contract kicking next year they’re as hard up against the ceiling as us. Still think Nashville go shopping Toronto first but they make a fertile trade partner for us too. They’d be desperate to shed Turris contract. Could be a “change of scenery” scenario with Lucic. Turris fits our team better. Poile is going to be increasingly concerned about the looming cap recapture if Weber retires. A good GM would start loading up on picks and ELAs with upside to prepare for those hefty penalties.

  103. Pouzar says:

    I hate Vegas more than the Sharks….how the **** is that possible?

  104. flyfish1168 says:

    Pouzar:
    I hate Vegas more than the Sharks….how the **** is that possible?

    Casinos get all your money

  105. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    I so want the Sharks to win this… but Vegas had all the momentum going in the end. If the bees are still buzzing coming out of intermission, I fear Vegas will end it.

  106. Ice Sage says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    I so want the Sharks to win this… but Vegas had all the momentum going in the end. If the bees are still buzzing coming out of intermission, I fear Vegas will end it.

    Vegas have been better 5 on 5, for sure.
    watching this game makes me realize that our dear Oilers are still a long way off – there are maybe, generously, 5 Oilers who can match that pace, playmaking and defensive awareness. Sigh

  107. Reja says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Gee Reja, I dunno.

    He may be NHL ready but the jump from the CHL to the AHL is huge let alone the NHL. I have little doubt Bouchard will excel in exhibition – he’ll produce and look great in transition but it means nothing as far as ready for regular season NHL hockey. There are 3-4 dmen in the org who have been developing in pro hockey and succeeding at the highest non NHL levels – the org has the opportunity to be low risk with their most important prospect and let him prove he’s NHL ready.

    Yup … half a season in the AHL for Bouch, no way around it.

    If he’s ready he’s ready 3 rd pairing soft minutes powerplay QB the league is a changing

  108. Reja says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    I so want the Sharks to win this… but Vegas had all the momentum going in the end. If the bees are still buzzing coming out of intermission, I fear Vegas will end it.

    I’m picking The Stone Killer for Vegas in OT

  109. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Nothing but admiration for Gallant and that Vegas team. They play hockey the way it should be played. Definitely my favorite team “after the Oil” in the NHL.

  110. Pouzar says:

    Ice Sage: Vegas have been better 5 on 5, for sure.
    watching this game makes me realize that our dear Oilers are still a long way off – there are maybe, generously, 5 Oilers who can match that pace, playmaking and defensive awareness.Sigh

    COL had 48 points 2 years ago.
    There is some hope.

  111. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne: SLOPITCH says:
    April 23, 2019 at 10:09 pm
    “Bouchard on the 4th goal, skates backwards to create space for the shot at the right pace to stay inside the line and finds the gap to the net. You dont teach that.”

    The most in depth player comparisons from that draft had Bouchard ahead of Dobson and Smith as a PP Quarterback for his abilty to hold the line, walk the line, change the angle of his shot to get it through to the net etc.

    Watching Morgan Riley tonight transverse the line while skating backwardsmade me wish/hopeful that Bouchard had this particular skill. No other Oilers Dman has that skill/tool.

    I can’t remember the last time we had a D especially on the powerplay that could walk the tightrope and have the instincts and vision to get those seeing eye shots through to the net and No it wasn’t Schultz I think Bouchard will have some 20 goal seasons in his future.

  112. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Pouzar: COL had 48 points 2 years ago.
    There is some hope.

    Man, that was an extreme kind of terrible hockey they were playing. ‘‘Twas a time when people were saying we could probably trade Draisaitl for McKinnon AND Barrie, and some people were saying they wouldn’t do that trade cause Barrie was “Jultz 2.0”

    In hindsight, that would have definitely put the oilers in a much better position than they are now.

  113. Cahoon says:

    So did the Condors win? 4-1 last I heard

  114. Reja says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan:
    Nothing but admiration for Gallant and that Vegas team. They play hockey the way it should be played. Definitely my favorite team “after the Oil” in the NHL.

    Loved Gallant when he played he coaches the same way all heart I hope we get a coach like that and not one that’s a bullshit artist with fancy hair.

  115. Gerta Rauss says:

    Cahoon,

    looks like a 5-2 final

  116. Cahoon says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    Thanks!

  117. Pouzar says:

    Never a doubt here.

  118. Ice Sage says:

    Goodreau with the Klima off-the-bench burst!
    Let’s hope it doesn’t jade Mr. McCrimmon.

  119. JimmyV1965 says:

    Geez, the Leafs will have a real interesting offseason. They will likely end up with $40 mill in cap space devoted to four players. Wow!! Almost half their cap. And they still have huge issues on defence. Wonder if the smart play is to trade Mathews for Doughty. Doesn’t solve their cap issues, but transforms their defence.

  120. LMHF#1 says:

    So I missed it real time and they didn’t show a very good replay…but I’m struggling to see how that play is a 5-minute major. How did they justify that?

    Just saw a better angle – don’t get that call at all…it was a crosscheck to the chest…2 minutes.

  121. YKOil says:

    Huge game for the Sharks. Upside for us, with Meier and Labanc to pay that increases the chance that Donskoi is available.

  122. v4ance says:

    LMHF#1:
    So I missed it real time and they didn’t show a very good replay…but I’m struggling to see how that play is a 5-minute major. How did they justify that?

    Jesse Granger @JesseGranger_

    Here is the explanation of the penalty on Cody Eakin from series supervisor Don vanMassenhoven:

    “The referees called a crosschecking penalty for an infraction that caused a significant injury. In their judgment, the infraction and its result merited a major penalty.”

    It’s a bullshit cove your ass explanation for what should have been a 2 min minor at most. It was just a bad series of unfortunate events that led to Pavelski’s injury.

  123. jzed says:

    Eakin was handed a steaming bag of shite by the world class referees. but Vegas had what seemed like a good chance to score every time down the ice, just couldn’t clinch it. Well we get to interview McCrimmon at least, but to call this an ‘epic’ comeback is a little rich .

  124. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Ice Sage:
    Goodreau with the Klima off-the-bench burst!
    Let’s hope it doesn’t jade Mr. McCrimmon.

    Wow! I didn’t watch a single minute, but when I checked the stats going into OT Goodrow was rocking -3 in under 6 minutes TOI. I thought that this was the end of his NHL career, LOL. So I pop in here and see this, he is now -2 with just over 7 minutes on ice. Good for him!

    Is Donskoi injured? I saw he got his bell rung in a recent (last game?) game hilight, but he has only dressed for 3/7 I think…

    Let’s see if this moves things along faster with the GM hire (McCrimmon). Also Gilman is also theoretically free now as well….

  125. YKOil says:

    LMHF#1:
    So I missed it real time and they didn’t show a very good replay…but I’m struggling to see how that play is a 5-minute major. How did they justify that?

    Not sure you can based off the cross-check; the bouncing around, let alone the head-hitting-the-ice, certainly made it look far worse than the cross-check actually was.

    I do seem to recall a 2nd round game being settled by one player pulling on a goalie’s pad and a goal being scored on that goalie as they couldn’t react to make the save; the call wasn’t right in that game either.

  126. LMHF#1 says:

    v4ance: Jesse Granger @JesseGranger_

    Here is the explanation of the penalty on Cody Eakin from series supervisor Don vanMassenhoven:


    “The referees called a crosschecking penalty for an infraction that caused a significant injury. In their judgment, the infraction and its result merited a major penalty.”

    It’s a bullshit cove your ass explanation for what should have been a 2 min minor at most.It was just a bad series of unfortunate events that led to Pavelski’s injury.

    Agreed. Complete and total BS. Vegas got hosed.

    Not that I expect any better from a league that allows Don VanScrewOverTheOilers to supervise games.

  127. PokeCheck says:

    LMHF#1:
    So I missed it real time and they didn’t show a very good replay…but I’m struggling to see how that play is a 5-minute major. How did they justify that?

    It was all about the optics (see my avatar). If Pavelski popped back onto his feet afterwards I’m not sure that would even have been a 2-minute cross-checking penalty.

  128. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    YKOil:
    Huge game for the Sharks.Upside for us, with Meier and Labanc to pay that increases the chance that Donskoi is available.

    Looks like Donskoi perhaps was injured (?) on 12 Jan vs Ott, in that game he played almost 3 min and only took 5 shifts. Starting with that game, even though he appeared to be taking regular shifts, his goal-scoring hit Rieder levels, so no goals since then (37 games) and 12 assists. Previous to that he had been on a streak scoring 8 goals in 7 games. So prior to Jan 12, FWIW, he had 14 goals & 11 assists in 46 games.

    With a shitton of luck he heals up, signs with the Oil, mentors JP and contributes at Chiasson levels. With our luck we sign him & he becomes Rieder V2.0. Buyer beware….

  129. deardylan says:

    San Jose fans acted crazy like they won the cup… listen to those screams on the 2nd goal. That is the loudest screams by fans ive have heard since….? #wowzers

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    Olivier Rodrigue got the net back last night. He came in after 2 periods in relief and stopped all 20 shots though 2 periods.

    Halifax holds on to the 2-1 win (and are up in the series by the same).

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Derek: How does he look in his own end?

    I missed the third period but, through 2, honestly, not much to say as the Condors simply weren’t in their own zone. I do recall one play on his first 5 on 5 shift where he battled behind the net and popped the puck to a safe area where only his partner could get there first.

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Yeah, wow.

    I’m also curious about the already asked “how does he look in his own end?” question. And is he playing much/regularly? Just scoring every time out? Are they rotating 7 D? Or did he take someone’s spot?

    Seems to be a dominant game by the Condors based on boxscore and reports. Appreciate the updates!

    Through 2 periods, no, he was not really taking a regular shift – more spotted out there.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Gee Reja, I dunno.

    He may be NHL ready but the jump from the CHL to the AHL is huge let alone the NHL. I have little doubt Bouchard will excel in exhibition – he’ll produce and look great in transition but it means nothing as far as ready for regular season NHL hockey. There are 3-4 dmen in the org who have been developing in pro hockey and succeeding at the highest non NHL levels – the org has the opportunity to be low risk with their most important prospect and let him prove he’s NHL ready.

    I swear I’ve read that before, almost word for word……

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: If he’s ready he’s ready 3 rd pairingsoft minutes powerplay QB the league is a changing

    The thing is its impossible for him to prove at camp that he’s NHL ready because we know, with certainty, that great performances at camp and in exhibition mean nothing with respect to NHL readiness of high talent prospects. We’ve seen that proven year after year after year. He could lead the NHL in scoring in exhibition and it wouldn’t mean he’s NHL ready.

    Last night was big as it will keep him in the AHL lineup as, a good stretch of 12 plus AHL games will give us WAY more intel than anything that he could do in camp.

  135. YKOil says:

    OriginalPouzar: The thing is its impossible for him to prove at camp that he’s NHL ready because we know, with certainty, that great performances at camp and in exhibition mean nothing with respect to NHL readiness of high talent prospects.We’ve seen that proven year after year after year. He could lead the NHL in scoring in exhibition and it wouldn’t mean he’s NHL ready.

    Last night was big as it will keep him in the AHL lineup as, a good stretch of 12 plus AHL games will give us WAY more intel than anything that he could do in camp.

    Agreed 100%. Pre-season and the first 10 games or so are mostly about getting the veterans into game shape and getting the coaches systems in place. Seen way to many pre-season super-heroes go no-where fast after the 20 game mark; tired of it.

    Keep him in the AHL, pending depth give him injury call-up games as needed. That’s lots.

  136. Oz says:

    OP et al thanks for the AHL updates

  137. deardylan says:

    OP appreciate reading your Condor updates while I am on the road in Vietnam.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    YKOil: Agreed 100%.Pre-season and the first 10 games or so are mostly about getting the veterans into game shape and getting the coaches systems in place.Seen way to many pre-season super-heroes go no-where fast after the 20 game mark; tired of it.

    Keep him in the AHL, pending depth give him injury call-up games as needed.That’s lots.

    Yup, its almost a certainty that the AHL is the right place for him come October.

    I guess the one caveat is that, if he absolutely kills the AHL through a stretch of 12 plus games.

    Last night was a great start but really not that indicative as the Condors were so dominant, at least through 2, that he didn’t really have to play any defence (and his minutes were very sheltered).

  139. deardylan says:

    Cody and Kadri prove playoff teams are only as strong as their missing link.

    “Man appear to be the missing link between human beings and apes” – Konrad Lorenz (1973 Nobel Prize in Physiology)

  140. russ99 says:

    Really loathe Vegas, Bettman’s shady expansion deal paved the way for their success. That they’re exempt from the Seattle expansion draft is the final nail in the coffin.

    But man that was a comeback.

    I’d love to see 5 minute majors on some of the crap they pull on McDavid, saw plenty last season that was worse than what they called on the Pavelski hit.

  141. JimmyV1965 says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: Looks like Donskoi perhaps was injured (?) on 12 Jan vs Ott, in that game he played almost 3 min and only took 5 shifts.Starting with that game, even though he appeared to be taking regular shifts, his goal-scoring hit Rieder levels, so no goals since then (37 games) and 12 assists.Previous to that he had been on a streak scoring 8 goals in 7 games.So prior to Jan 12, FWIW, he had 14 goals & 11 assists in 46 games.

    With a shitton of luck he heals up, signs with the Oil, mentors JP and contributes at Chiasson levels.With our luck we sign him & he becomes Rieder V2.0.Buyer beware….

    He’s been healthy scratched a bunch this year. Not sure if that’s the reason he’s not playing now.

  142. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Through 2 periods, no, he was not really taking a regular shift – more spotted out there.

    Thanks. That’s some impressive/opportunistic scoring in that case.

  143. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    JimmyV1965: He’s been healthy scratched a bunch this year. Not sure if that’s the reason he’s not playing now.

    He missed 2 regular season games and has been PB’d 4 of 7 in the play-offs….

  144. ArmchairGM says:

    jp:So, now using the line tool (for Puljujarvi’s career, which coincides with Lucic’s time with the Oilers), unless I’m reading it wrong Lucic-McDavid-JP actually perform better than McDavid-JP without Lucic. So Lucic was a boost, not a drag on McDavid-JP minutes. Are you using a different time window?

    Looking at the past 3 years combined, the Lucic – McDavid – Puljujarvi combo has an amazing GA/60 number. Small sample size issue? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t put my money on it continuing going forward. Here’s the Lucic – McDavid – Puljujarvi WOWY’s for the past 3 season’s combined, looking at on-ice GF/60 – GA/60 = DIFF/60 (TOI):

    All three: 3.32 – 1.42 = 1.90 (252:58)
    w/o ML: 3.88 – 3.49 = 0.39 (154:46)
    w/o JP: 2.93 – 2.59 = 0.34 (717:00)

    So what does the HC do? Pulls JP off the line and gives 700+ McDavid minutes to Lucic… yeah, that didn’t work.

    jp: And because both Lucic and JP played minutes with McDavid but without the other, the correct original comparison would be JP with Lucic (no McDavid) vs JP without Lucic (no McDavid). In that comparison Lucic-JP is again better than JP without Lucic. Despite what our eyes see, JP has been better off for having Lucic as a linemate, even if Connor isn’t part of the mix. Huh.

    Yeah, Lucic is still an NHL player, some of the guys JP has been playing with are not. I know it’s not what you asked for, but for interest’s sake here are Puljujarvi’s 5v5 scoring rates with McDavid, with and without Lucic.

    Draft+1
    Puljujarvi w/ McDavid: 2.86 (84:01)
    Puljujarvi w/ McDavid [w/o Lucic]: 6.58 (18:15)

    Draft+2
    Puljujarvi w/ McDavid: 1.87 (256:57)
    Puljujarvi w/ McDavid [w/o Lucic]: 2.42 (74:34)

    Draft+3
    Puljujarvi w/ McDavid: 1.80 (66:46)
    Puljujarvi w/ McDavid [w/o Lucic]: 1.92 (62:31)

    Comparison with other top young European wingers in the 3 years after draft, points/60 posted when playing with each teams top center:

    Puljujarvi 2.70 (155:20 with McDavid w/o Lucic)
    Laine: 2.47 (849:32 with Scheifele)
    Pastrnak: 2.13 (648:27 with Bergeron)
    Puljujarvi: 2.08 (407:44 with McDavid and Lucic)
    Rantanen: 2.02 (1632:30 with MacKinnon)
    Nylander: 1.82 (624:42 with Matthews)

    jp: As an aside, is there a way to look at individual scoring (P/60) with the line tool? I only saw the option for on ice stats.

    Not that I know of. I just calculate it myself.

    jp:

    Also, that Lucic-McDavid-JP line looks like it should potentially be revisited. Lucic is a drag on raw offence, but that trio has been over 55% in every metric witha 70% GF%. Maybe it’s not repeatable, but Lucic and Puljujarvi are seemingly both near useless without McDavid. McDavid might be better with other wingers, but if he can turn those two 55% CF/SF/GF players I feel like it would be a win for the team overall.

    Lucic suppresses offence at elite levels (don’t laugh – it’s true!), the trouble is that he does it to both friend and foe alike. The other thing is, he isn’t elite at suppressing the elites, although he does okay there too. Doesn’t piss a drop in tough minutes though. For these reasons I would keep him off the top-6 altogether, find a mobile 2-way center for him (right shot, preferably) and give them a bunch of d-zone work. This will give McDavid a little more clean air against lesser comp – Hitchcock had him ~40% against elites and this stunted his output.

    McDavid needs wingers that help create offense. Over the past 3 seasons combined, here’s a look at McDavid’s 5v5 p/60 (TOI) with:

    Draisaitl: 3.24 (1981:04)
    Puljujarvi: 3.24 (407:45)
    Kassian: 3.16 (513:21)
    Nugent-Hopkins: 3.15 (590:01)
    Chaisson: 2.96 (284:12)
    Maroon: 2.76 (1258:37)
    Lucic: 2.29 (969:58)
    Eberle: 2.08 (403:28)

    Khaira: 4.36 (96:15) (small sample, just thought it was interesting)
    Slepyshev: 4.74 (113:52) (also small sample – why didn’t he get more opportunity? Baffling)

    It looks like the best combo for the captain would be Draisaitl and Puljujarvi. Unfortunately they’ve only played together for a whole game (~10 minutes) once, so we really don’t have any idea how well they’d work together.

    To conclude, using 3 years of data:
    – McDavid scores 3.24 p/60 when with both Puljujarvi and Draisaitl
    – Puljujarvi scores 2.70 p/60 when with McDavid but not Lucic
    – Draisaitl scores 2.79 p/60 when with McDavid

    If these numbers hold, we could see 5v5 scoring like this:
    McDavid 74 points (he scored 64 in 2018-19)
    Draisaitl 64 points (he scored 59)
    Puljujarvi 54 points (assuming 1200 minutes)

    Now, about the rest of the team…

  145. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Derek: How does he look in his own end?

    I missed the third period but, through 2, honestly, not much to say as the Condors simply weren’t in their own zone.

    This seems to be a hallmark of any team Bouchard is on. I know he didn’t create that atmosphere in Bakersfield but from watching London he didn’t defend much mainly because he was efficient at puck recovery and then he moved the puck north in a quick hurry.

  146. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: I missed the third period but, through 2, honestly, not much to say as the Condors simply weren’t in their own zone.I do recall one play on his first 5 on 5 shift where he battled behind the net and popped the puck to a safe area where only his partner could get there first.

    The boxcars tell us: there were no goals against with Bouchard on the ice. The first one came against the Stanton-Day pairing at 4v4, the second against the Lagesson-Jones pairing at 5v5.

    Also of note, all of Bouchard’s points came with bottom-of-the-roster linemates:

    Stanton’s PP goal (primary assist for EB) featured Stanton, Vesel, Polei and Gust
    Polei’s 5v5 GW goal (primary assist for EB) featured the same crew
    Bouchard’s 5v5 insurance goal featured Lowe, Callahan, Currie and Esposito

    So he was likely playing sheltered minutes, but he absolutely killed them. How good is this guy going to be playing with either of the Condor’s top lines? I think his progression up the AHL depth chart will be swift.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    With respect to not defending because Bouchard is so efficient at moving the puck up the ice – while that may valid while in London, I wouldn’t say that was what was happening last night – the Condors simply dominated the game from start to finish (well, at least the first two periods, I missed the third). There wasn’t very many opportunities to retrieve the puck and move it up the ice as they were simply in the Eagles end non-stop.

    Yes, he played very sheltered minutes – I don’t think he had an even strength shift in the first period until there was about 5 minutes left. Yes, he played with the bottom of the roster but the bottom of the roster killed it last night. I think the kid line was held pointless. I know Joe G had a goal but it was a shortie.

    With all that said, yup, I think he may crush this league – hopefully we get alot of information over the next few weeks.

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