The Replacements

“Meanwhile, what of the replacements (Sather) had been flying in from Wichita? For a while, he’d brought up Tom Roulston, a laughing redhead from Winnipeg with a gift for scoring goals and spreading good will—he was an all-night disc jockey in the summertime—but he hadn’t worked out. Now, he was going with Peter Driscoll, a big, tough schoolteacher’s son from northern Ontario who had played 39 games for the Oilers the year before.” (Peter Gzowski, The Game of Our Loves, during the 1980-81 season).

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  • New Lowetide: Is this the season the Oilers take the plunge and draft a USHL player in the first round?
  • Jonathan Willis: Top Oilers prospect Evan Bouchard stars in his first AHL game as Condors dominate.
  • Lowetide: Adam Larsson’s importance to the Oilers and why trading him is a bad idea.
  • Lowetide: Tyler Benson’s comparables offer Oilers fans plenty of hope for the future.
  • Lowetide: Making the call on the Oilers’ RFAs with a new general manager on the way.
  • Lowetide: Red Wings front office shuffle could impact Oilers’ future.
  • Jonathan Willis: Potential coaching candidates and why the Oilers don’t need to rush the GM search to get one
  • Lowetide: What would Glen Sather do with these Oilers?
  • Jonathan Willis: Some creative solutions to address the Oilers’ goalie problem
  • Lowetide: The Milan Lucic saga rolls into Year 4 for Oilers with no easy answers
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  • Lowetide: The Oilers possible summer trade pieces, and which longtime players might be saying goodbye.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ten prospects likely to be available when the Oilers make their first-round pick.

RECALLS

Ideally, you want a recall from the AHL to have an immediate, positive impact and to stay as long as required (usually until an injured regular returns). How did the Oilers recalls do in 2018-19?

OPENING NIGHT ROSTER

G Cam Talbot; G Mikko Koskinen; D Oscar Klefbom; D Adam Larsson; D Darnell Nurse; D Kris Russell; D Matt Benning; D Evan Bouchard; D Jason Garrison; D Ethan Bear (non-roster); C Connor McDavid; C Leon Draisaitl; C Ryan Strome; C Kyle Brodziak; L Ryan Nugent-Hopkins; L Milan Lucic; L Jujhar Khaira; L Tobias Rieder; R Ty Rattie; R Kailer Yamamoto; R Jesse Puljujarvi; R Zack Kassian; L Drake Caggiula; R Alex Chiasson.

RECALLS

Kevin Gravel was recalled October 19, played two games and was returned. He got another call on November 1, and hung around the rest of the season. He finished 36, 0-3-3, underlying numbers were solid and he should be in the NHL next season as a 7D or better. Unlikely with the Oilers. He is 27.

Cooper Marody was recalled October 21, he stayed up until November 2. In that first look, he played two games, playing less than 10 minutes both times (two shots in each game). His second recall came November 10 and he was dispatched on November 23 with the coaching change. He played four games, only one more than 10 minutes. He was recalled in December (6-11) but did not play, finishing 6, 0-0-0 on the season. He is 22 and we should see him more in 2019-20.

Patrick Russell was called up November 15, and would play four games in his first look without registering a point. He looked capable as a fourth line player (not a lot of offense) but was sent back November 30. A quick recall (Dec. 2-5) got him two more games, and he finished 6, 0-0-0. He is 26 and is a Group 6 free agent (UFA).

Caleb Jones is the star of our look at 2018-19 recalls. He got the call on December 12, and he returned to the AHL January 21 for the remainder of the minor league season. While in Edmonton, the young man impressed with his speed and guile, making smart plays with the puck and adjusting to the speed of the NHL game. Jones played some tough minutes due to injury, played over 20 minutes seven times. He is NHL-ready and it wouldn’t be a surprise to see Edmonton’s new general manager make room for him via a summer trade. He went 17, 1-5-6 and he turns 22 in June.

Joe Gambardella was recalled December 30 and played his first game the next night—the same night his brother worked his first shift as a NYC police officer. He hung around the first time until January 15, playing in four games and not showing a lot. His second recall had more impact, as he arrived March 15 and played through the end of the season. An impressive forechecker, he showed skill as well, finishing 15, 0-3-3 on the year. I think he has a chance to play more games for Edmonton in 2019-20.

Brad Malone got a call January 31, and like Gambardella spent the rest of the season on the NHL roster. He played 16 games with no points. He is a free agent this summer.

Josh Currie received a late recall, February 18. I often wonder how many times he’d be in a conversation for the call to the NHL before. No matter, he took full advantage upon arrival and stayed for the rest of the year. He went 21, 2-3-5 and impressed, suspect he’s about where Gambardella is on the organization’s depth chart. He is 26.

2019-20 RECALLS

The list is potentially outstanding. Evan Bouchard is likely to spend time in both cities, ala Juuso Valimaki’s 2018-19 season in Stockton and Calgary. Tyler Benson, Kailer Yamamoto, Ethan Bear, William Lagesson and Shane Starrett may see action, as well as names from last year like Marody, Gambardella and Currie. I think Jones has a chance to break camp with the big club, maybe Benson, too.

I do think the list is surrounded, which is a bit of a surprise because names like Pat Verbeek and Ron Hextall seemed to jump in and out quickly (one wonders if there was ever really a match). If the list has been pared down to two, and all the Oilers are waiting for is an interview with McCrimmon, this should conclude in the next week to 10 days. I think we might see a media avail next week.

The press conference announcing the new GM will be of interest to all Oilers fans. Peter Chiarelli mentioned “heavy” hockey about 50 times, I imagine we’ll hear “skill” and “speed” at least that many when the new man speaks.

I think the Oilers should try to maintain a balance in terms of roster makeup. Big doesn’t have to mean slow or without skill, it just turned out that way with Peter Chiarelli.

Leon Draisaitl, Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Zack Kassian, Jesse Puljujarvi are all big men who can skate and have skill. It doesn’t have to be an ‘either or’ situation.

One area the new GM (Hunter or McCrimmon) will want to address is offense. Although he’ll have two incredible talents, the falloff from 97 and 29 is real and spectacular. Here are expected goals (from Corsica.hockey) from last season:

  1. Connor McDavid 60.1
  2. Leon Draisaitl 58.97
  3. Zack Kassian 40.71
  4. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 40.5
  5. Alex Chiasson 35.36
  6. Milan Lucic 33.45
  7. Tobias Rieder 23.5
  8. Kyle Brodziak 22.31
  9. Jujhar Khaira 21.08

McDavid ranks No. 7 in the NHL, Draisaitl No. 10. Kassian is No. 120 league wide, Nuge 125. Khaira? No. 334. Offense. The new general manager needs to bring help for 97 and 29.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tough to say who may be the recalls during the season when its up in the air as to which of them break camp with the team – and that is somewhat subject to outside acquisitions during the off-season which is somewhat subject to cap space manouvering which is subject to GM hiring and ownership mandate.

    So many dominoes.

    I would think that one AHL forward and one AHL d-man breaks camp with the team.

    Jones indeed has the upper hand but I think Lagesson will be in the conversation and I cite him as the first D call-up. Of course, how many “rookies” break camp with the team is subject to how many incumbent dispositions are made – none? Just Russell? Just Benning? Russell and Benning? Sekera? Who knows.

    As good as Benson has been this year, Marody has been just as good. Of course, Cooper is a bit older and that matters. Both these players have a shot at the middle six.

    Of course, Joe G. and J. Currie have shots as well given they got NHL time this year.

    Can Joe G. take another step? He took a huge one this year.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    “Leon Draisaitl, Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Zack Kassian, Jesse Puljujarvi are all big men who can skate and have skill. It doesn’t have to be an ‘either or’ situation.”

    I’d add Khaira to that list.

    Of course, the two best value bet contracts, Pulujarvi and Kharia have already been traded by Hunter….

  3. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    “Leon Draisaitl, Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Zack Kassian, Jesse Puljujarvi are all big men who can skate and have skill. It doesn’t have to be an ‘either or’ situation.”

    I’d add Khaira to that list.

    Of course, the two best value bet contracts, Pulujarvi and Kharia have already been traded by Hunter….

    I’m a big fan of Khaira, but wouldn’t put him in that group.

  4. Jethro Tull says:

    Bohologo:
    The Replacements really could have been a historically great band, but couldn’t get out of their own way: showing up blind drunk for gigs, spitting on fans, fist fights with each other.

    Not unlike this team we all cheer for, over here left of the dial.

    That’s crazy. I’ve never heard of a band doing this! I thought they all were teetotal, anti-drug Samaritans that enjoyed clean living, exercise and 8pm bedtimes!

  5. doritogrande says:

    Small quibble on Malone and possibly Currie, wouldn’t they have to have been sent down to the AHL (albeit as a paper transaction only) to be listed on the AHL clear day roster for Bakersfield?

  6. Greenberg says:

    Darren Dreger tweeting (I heard he’s related, that’ not the scary part) David Nonis is still in the picture. That’s the scary part. He has had a scary history. We want at least a sliver of hope going forward.

  7. flyfish1168 says:

    Greenberg,

    That is a bit scarey. But if he did learn from his previous mistakes and can do better than ok. Problem is are we willing to give him a chance. PC is stupid plan and simple. He never learned a dam thing from his mistakes in beantown and now he will probably never get a chance again.

  8. RyMosh4 says:

    Greenberg,

    I allow myself to believe that Dreger is just getting Nonis’ name out there as a favour to Nonis, and Bobby Nicks is probably fine with that. Of course “allowing myself to believe” hasn’t been a great approach when the Oilers are involved.

  9. godot10 says:

    Bohologo:
    The Replacements really could have been a historically great band, but couldn’t get out of their own way: showing up blind drunk for gigs, spitting on fans, fist fights with each other.

    Not unlike this team we all cheer for, over here left of the dial.

    The Replacements are a historically great band. Their problems just meant that they were not commercially successful like the “copycatters” that followed in their wake like Nirvana and Pearl Jam.
    Westerberg High School is one of the most famous high schools in America during the late eighties and nineties.

    Not being commercially successful does not mean that a band is not historically important.

    Velvet Underground, Joy Division, The Replacements (a sample) are all more significant than bands that went on to be far more commercially successfuly.

  10. LadiesloveSmid says:

    LT I don’t understand what you mean by expected goals in that list.

    It can’t be individual xG and it can’t be on-ice xGF%. Not sure what form of expected goals that is.

  11. Marc says:

    Lots of talk on the last thread about whether Russell’s contract is moveable or toxic (a la Lucic). When you look at the list of pending UFA D this summer though, he actually looks like a pretty good option. It’s never easy to find quality D in free agency, but this year’s list is particularly fugly.

    Only three of the top 10 available D are under 30 (Karlsson, Myers, Gardiner) – three of the top 10 will actually require risky 35+ contracts (Kronwall, Engelland, Hainsey).

    If you miss out on one of the three good RD (Karlsson, Myers, Stralman), your next best options are literally Roman Polak, Dan Girardi and Ben Lovejoy.

    Petrovic, who couldn’t play his way into regular time on two different bad teams, probably isn’t one of the top 10 UFA D options at this point, but looking at the list, he’s probably in the top 15, and may well be in the top ten come July if guys like Engelland, Edler and Kronwall resign with their current teams.

    Looking at Russell’s fancy stats, he’s probably best described as a 4/5 D. With the right partner ie. someone to take care of the zone exits, he can play second pairing minutes at a more or less acceptable level, especially if he’s on the left side. He’s an above average third paring D (albeit one who earns twice as much you’d want your third pairing guys to).

    Russell is younger, faster and better than a bunch of the top 10 UFA D – guys like Coburn, Girardi and Lovejoy. With limited supply likely driving up both the AAV and term it takes to sign them, Russell’s contract ($4M next year, $2.5M the year after, with a cap hit of $4M both years) might actually seems attractive to some teams.

    So I think Russell is movable if the Oilers want to move him and can find a deal with one of the 10 teams on his list.

  12. Coiler says:

    A comment from Dreger is like click-bait. There to entice you but nothing substantial after you actually get through it. He’s chirping for all of the obvious reasons and nothing more. I wouldn’t put any stock in what he has to say.

    If McKenzie or Friedmann say it, then I would take it seriously.

    I would expect that the new GM will cull the herd to a certain degree and the Oilers/Bakersfield rosters will have quite a different look after he’s through with them by the time training camp breaks.

    I think what this first round showed everyone is that anything can happen and clear favourites aren’t so clear once the new season gets going. Looking at the second round, I would be very surprised if anyone had any of those teams as the ones going forward. Parity baby!

  13. Gerta Rauss says:

    Marc,

    Thanks Marc
    Nice work as usual

  14. PinkSocks says:

    Coiler:
    A comment from Dreger is like click-bait. There to entice you but nothing substantial after you actually get through it. He’s chirping for all of the obvious reasons and nothing more. I wouldn’t put any stock in what he has to say.

    If McKenzie or Friedmannsay it, then I would take it seriously.

    I would expect that the new GM will cull the herd to a certain degree and the Oilers/Bakersfield rosters will have quite a different look after he’s through with them by the time training camp breaks.

    I think what this first round showed everyone is that anything can happen and clear favourites aren’t so clear once the new season gets going. Looking at the second round, I would be very surprised if anyone had any of those teams as the ones going forward. Parity baby!

    Be that as it may, the fact the Nonis would even be interviewed is horrifying.

  15. dustrock says:

    Man would it be hard to pass on Zegras at 8.

    I think we have to take one of the US guys.

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    Finalists for the Ted Lindsay:

    McDavid
    Kucherov
    Kane (Patrick)

  17. oilersfan says:

    dustrock:
    Man would it be hard to pass on Zegras at 8.

    I think we have to take one of the US guys.

    Completely agree. I am hoping for Turcotte

  18. leadfarmer says:

    dustrock:
    Man would it be hard to pass on Zegras at 8.

    I think we have to take one of the US guys.

    Absolutely. If we pass on them the teams behind us will make us look stupid

  19. leadfarmer says:

    Some of these GM candidates probably have made themselves unavailable

  20. leadfarmer says:

    I wonder what we are looking at for a package to trade into the end of first night to get Knight. We really could use a blue chip G prospect. I don’t think he will fall to our second round pick but if he does they better grab him

  21. Paulie says:

    godot10,

    I’d add Iggy and the Stooges too.

  22. Rube Foster says:

    Tom Roulston, Peter Driscoll and Paul Westerberg.

    Only one of these beauties was traded with Wayne Gretzky, but all three of them were Edmonton icons of the early eighties! They would most certainly make a fun group to have pop or two with and swap some tall tales.

    Bastard’s of Young… indeed.

  23. PokeCheck says:

    Just a random observation…

    Looking at the win/loss record for the last 5 games of the regular season would have correctly given you the winner to every series in round 1. Although it’s even less relevant now, the same indicator would suggest Columbus, New York, and Colorado to move on, with a toss-up between Dallas and St. Louis (although Dallas had the better streak with 3-wins to end the season).

  24. Oil2Oilers says:

    godot10: The Replacements are a historically great band.Their problems just meant that they were not commercially successful like the “copycatters” that followed in their wake like Nirvana and Pearl Jam.
    Westerberg High School is one of the most famous high schools in America during the late eighties and nineties.

    Not being commercially successful does not mean that a band is not historically important.

    Velvet Underground, Joy Division, The Replacements (a sample) are all more significant than bands that went on to be farmore commercially successfuly.

    You can add Operation Ivy to that list

  25. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Re: Bet on goalies

    I went 3 for 8 in the first round. (BOS, STL and NYI)

    If you just bet on the starting goalie who had the best all situations SV% in the first round you would have gone 5 for 8.

    COL, STL, DAL, CAR and NYI.

    Hockey = Mostly Goalie

  26. Doug McLachlan says:

    dustrock,

    We are going to do this again and again before the Draft but give me your current top 8 in order.

    I am a mess after the top two. I have Byram as my #3 only because I am terrified of drafting Podkolzin. Fascinated by the Americans (and there I am increasingly asking why not take the mini-sniper Caufield) and surprisingly meh about Dach and Cousins – even though I know they will be fantastic selections.

  27. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    LT I don’t understand what you mean by expected goals in that list.

    It can’t be individual xG and it can’t be on-ice xGF%. Not sure what form of expected goals that is.

    On Ice Expected Goals, so there is significant overlap with players who played a lot together.

  28. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    So, who do you got in the second round then???

  29. YKOil says:

    Marc,

    Pretty much how I look at it as well. Supply alone will make him an option for a lot of teams and I do think he will draw interest and the Oilers will get calls and some of those calls could lead to good deals.

    It’s the NTC that kills it; 10 teams gives him full control. Best bet is to work at it quietly and with co-operation from Russell. I would expect that if he does move it will be at the trade deadline, the sad part about that is that it means the Oilers are, probably, missing the play-offs again.

    In 2020-21 the NTC is a15 team list and he has a $1m signing bonus on $2.5m in salary against a Cap hit of $4.0 million. Less control for Russell and he becomes very popular after the signing bonus is paid.

    I think he can be traded, I would work hard at making that happen, he has control of the wheel so I do not expect it will.

  30. Marc says:

    YKOil:
    Marc,

    Pretty much how I look at it as well.Supply alone will make him an option for a lot of teams and I do think he will draw interest and the Oilers will get calls and some of those calls could lead to good deals.

    It’s the NTC that kills it; 10 teams gives him full control. Best bet is to work at it quietly and with co-operation from Russell.I would expect that if he does move it will be at the trade deadline, the sad part about that is that it means the Oilers are, probably, missing the play-offs again.

    In 2020-21 the NTC is a15 team list and he has a $1m signing bonus on $2.5m in salary against a Cap hit of $4.0 million.Less control for Russell and he becomes very popular after the signing bonus is paid.

    I think he can be traded, I would work hard at making that happen, he has control of the wheel so I do not expect it will.

    A lot depends on how he uses his NTC. If he uses it tactically to prevent a trade by picking 10 teams whose cap situation and/or defensive depth means there’s almost no chance that they’d want him, then yes. But if he picks 10 teams that he’d be happy to go to, then there may be some fits.

    For example, Murat (https://theathletic.com/940382/2019/04/25/a-look-at-which-jets-could-stay-and-which-could-go-this-summer-2/) is knows the Jets and projects both Myers and Trouba leaving Winnipeg this summer. He notes that this would leave their defensive depth chart looking like this:
    Morrissey — Byfuglien
    Beaulieu — Poolman
    Kulikov — Niku
    Morrow

    He then states: ‘Using existing contracts and an $82.5-million salary cap, this roster allows just $24.4 million to sign Laine, Connor, Copp, Dano, Beaulieu, Morrow and Brossoit. And if the defence frightens you, that’s because it should. But Cheveldayoff has the power to improve things.’

    Would Russell willing to go to Winnipeg? He just might.

    Would Chevalayoff be interested? If he’s trying to replace two top 4 D without dipping in to the expensive end of this year’s UFA D pool, I bet he is.

  31. SwedishPoster says:

    Bohologo:
    The Replacements really could have been a historically great band, but couldn’t get out of their own way: showing up blind drunk for gigs, spitting on fans, fist fights with each other.

    Not unlike this team we all cheer for, over here left of the dial.

    Well a person can work up a mean mean thirst after a hard day of nothing much at all.

  32. SwedishPoster says:

    Isn’t Nonis Dreger’s cousin or something? The name hasn’t really popped up before, couldn’t this be Dreger doing his relative a solid by telling the hockey world “look who’s also available”?

  33. Reja says:

    Marc:
    Lots of talk on the last thread about whether Russell’s contract is moveable or toxic (a la Lucic). When you look at the list of pending UFA D this summer though, he actually looks like a pretty good option. It’s never easy to find quality D in free agency, but this year’s list is particularly fugly.

    Only three of the top 10 available D are under 30 (Karlsson, Myers, Gardiner) – three of the top 10 will actually require risky 35+ contracts (Kronwall, Engelland, Hainsey).

    If you miss out on one of the three good RD (Karlsson, Myers, Stralman), your next best options are literally Roman Polak, Dan Girardi and Ben Lovejoy.

    Petrovic, who couldn’t play his way into regular time on two different bad teams, probably isn’t one of the top 10 UFA D options at this point, but looking at the list, he’s probably in the top 15, and may well be in the top ten come July if guys like Engelland, Edler and Kronwall resign with their current teams.

    Looking at Russell’s fancy stats, he’s probably best described as a 4/5 D. With the right partner ie. someone to take care of the zone exits, he can play second pairing minutes at a more or less acceptable level, especially if he’s on the left side. He’s an above average third paring D (albeit one who earns twice as much you’d want your third pairing guys to).

    Russell is younger, faster and better than a bunch of the top 10 UFA D – guys like Coburn, Girardi and Lovejoy. With limited supply likely driving up both the AAV and term it takes to sign them, Russell’s contract ($4M next year, $2.5M the year after, with a cap hit of $4M both years) might actually seems attractive to some teams.

    So I think Russell is movable if the Oilers want to move him and can find a deal with one of the 10 teams on his list.

    If Oiler fan’s keep telling themselves over and over that Russell is a 4-5 for more than short streches and he is not a negative asset contract Maybe a GM will bite. Ask anyone you know that isn’t a first choice Oiler fan would they take Russell free of charge for 2 years at 4 mil they will laugh at you out loud try it. Seriously nobody’s taking Russell without retention or bad asset coming back I really Hope Keith can find a team with no pain involved to find Russell a new home this spring.

  34. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    So, who do you got in the second round then???

    by starting goalie SV% I’d imagine Colorado, St Louis, Columbus, New York

  35. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    So, who do you got in the second round then???

    Haven’t dug into it.

    If you go Goalies then its DAL, COL, NYI and CBJ.

  36. Marc says:

    YKOil,

    Two other tidbits from Murat’s piece that got me thinking:

    “Brandon Tanev — Tanev is the first unrestricted free agent on this list and it is easy to imagine a world in which a team offers him Lowry money — something approaching $2.9 million — for his heart, soul, speed and penalty killing. I don’t expect Winnipeg to have that kind of cap space. I also look back at Tanev’s decision to file for salary arbitration one year away from UFA status last summer. That decision guaranteed a one year contract and, to me, that’s a sign of a player taking full advantage of the opportunity to maximize his UFA payday.”

    “Mathieu Perreault — Perception is a funny thing. Mathieu Perreault played one fewer minute per game than Tanev did this season at 5-on-5, scored more per minute than Tanev did and seems to be perceived as an offensive disappointment. At 31 years old, it’s true that Perreault’s total offensive production has declined in consecutive seasons but he continues to drive play and find ways to keep pucks in the offensive zone. Still, Perreault’s $4.125 million contract may be a place that Winnipeg looks if in search of cap space this summer.”

    I had been thinking that Tanev might be the kind of guy that Edmonton might be looking at in the offseason, but if he’s looking for $3M per, that’s pretty rich for a bottom six guy.

    Perreault on the other hand is a guy I hadn’t thought about at all, but he sure seems to tick a lot of boxes.
    Plays C and LW? Check.
    Drives play and find ways to keep pucks in the offensive zone? Check.
    Would improve PP2? Check.

    He’s overpaid for a middle six guy, but makes a ton of sense if a contract like Russell’s is going the other way.

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard named OHL d-man of the year.

  38. JimmyV1965 says:

    Marc:
    YKOil,

    Two other tidbits from Murat’s piece that got me thinking:

    “Brandon Tanev — Tanev is the first unrestricted free agent on this list and it is easy to imagine a world in which a team offers him Lowry money — something approaching $2.9 million — for his heart, soul, speed and penalty killing. I don’t expect Winnipeg to have that kind of cap space. I also look back at Tanev’s decision to file for salary arbitration one year away from UFA status last summer. That decision guaranteed a one year contract and, to me, that’s a sign of a player taking full advantage of the opportunity to maximize his UFA payday.”

    “Mathieu Perreault — Perception is a funny thing. Mathieu Perreault played one fewer minute per game than Tanev did this season at 5-on-5, scored more per minute than Tanev did and seems to be perceived as an offensive disappointment. At 31 years old, it’s true that Perreault’s total offensive production has declined in consecutive seasons but he continues to drive play and find ways to keep pucks in the offensive zone. Still, Perreault’s $4.125 million contract may be a place that Winnipeg looks if in search of cap space this summer.”

    I had been thinking that Tanev might be the kind of guy that Edmonton might be looking at in the offseason, but if he’s looking for $3M per,that’s pretty rich for a bottom six guy.

    Perreault on the other hand is a guy I hadn’t thought about at all, but he sure seems to tick a lot of boxes.
    Plays C and LW?Check.
    Drives play and find ways to keep pucks in the offensive zone? Check.
    Would improve PP2? Check.

    He’s overpaid for a middle six guy, but makes a ton of sense if a contract like Russell’s is going the other way.

    Good stuff. Makes sense for both teams.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    doritogrande:
    Small quibble on Malone and possibly Currie, wouldn’t they have to have been sent down to the AHL (albeit as a paper transaction only) to be listed on the AHL clear day roster for Bakersfield?

    They were.

  40. Oil2Oilers says:

    How far before the draft does the McKenzie list traditionally come out?

  41. Oilpower says:

    Kyle Dubas “we will keep our young core!”
    Mike Babcock” we need more depth”
    Salary cap “bwhahahahaahahahah”
    Gonna be interesting summer in Toronto!

  42. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Bouchard named OHL d-man of the year.

    He was to much of a man to be playing in Junior hockey to begin with but thems the rules unless your a Eurpopean

  43. pts2pndr says:

    As far as who to bring in as the new GM. There is much we don’t know. We do however know the following:

    1. Our pro scouting is terrible
    2. We do not have an analytics department
    3. The new GM whom ever it might be, is expected to make changes

    Without rectifying one and two are we not doomed to more of the same. If you were a GM candidate would you accept an offer knowing what we know and that the prevalent attitude of the remaining management team is an unwillingness to change. As I see it unless they make wholesale changes two years down the road we are right back to where we are now. It doesn’t matter who is hired and in fact we may be better off with Keith Gretzky until they fix points one and two.

  44. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Re: Bet on goalies

    I went 3 for 8 in the first round. (BOS, STL and NYI)

    If you just bet on the starting goalie who had the best all situations SV% in the first round you would have gone 5 for 8.

    COL, STL, DAL, CAR and NYI.

    Hockey = Mostly Goalie

    I got 4 for 8 in round 1. OUT of both my drafts already. Got BOS, S.J., DAL & ST.L ….. The last 3 I thought were flip a coin series … Terrible year for me … I would have bet the Farm on Tampa getting to Round 2 … shocked about WASH also …and surprised about CGY

  45. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “Hockey = Mostly Goalie”

    This is NOT good if your starting goalie is Mikko Koskinen. Not sure where Mikko ranked among the 16 playoff teams …. but my guess is he would have been in the bottom 6 ….

  46. McSorley33 says:

    Marc,

    A lot depends on how he uses his NTC. If he uses it tactically to prevent a trade by picking 10 teams whose cap situation and/or defensive depth means there’s almost no chance that they’d want him, then yes. But if he picks 10 teams that he’d be happy to go to, then there may be some fits.

    For example, Murat (https://theathletic.com/940382/2019/04/25/a-look-at-which-jets-could-stay-and-which-could-go-this-summer-2/) is knows the Jets and projects both Myers and Trouba leaving Winnipeg this summer. He notes that this would leave their defensive depth chart looking like this:
    Morrissey — Byfuglien
    Beaulieu — Poolman
    Kulikov — Niku
    Morrow

    He then states: ‘Using existing contracts and an $82.5-million salary cap, this roster allows just $24.4 million to sign Laine, Connor, Copp, Dano, Beaulieu, Morrow and Brossoit. And if the defence frightens you, that’s because it should. But Cheveldayoff has the power to improve things.’

    Would Russell willing to go to Winnipeg? He just might.

    Would Chevalayoff be interested? If he’s trying to replace two top 4 D without dipping in to the expensive end of this year’s UFA D pool, I bet he is.
    **************************************************************************************************
    That would depend on what the value of a 25 year old Right shot – 1st D is, no?

    The return for Trouba could be substantial and play a role in not just adding
    Niku and Poolman to the top 4 for the Jets.

  47. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Marc:
    Lots of talk on the last thread about whether Russell’s contract is moveable or toxic (a la Lucic). When you look at the list of pending UFA D this summer though, he actually looks like a pretty good option. It’s never easy to find quality D in free agency, but this year’s list is particularly fugly.

    Only three of the top 10 available D are under 30 (Karlsson, Myers, Gardiner) – three of the top 10 will actually require risky 35+ contracts (Kronwall, Engelland, Hainsey).

    If you miss out on one of the three good RD (Karlsson, Myers, Stralman), your next best options are literally Roman Polak, Dan Girardi and Ben Lovejoy.

    Petrovic, who couldn’t play his way into regular time on two different bad teams, probably isn’t one of the top 10 UFA D options at this point, but looking at the list, he’s probably in the top 15, and may well be in the top ten come July if guys like Engelland, Edler and Kronwall resign with their current teams.

    Looking at Russell’s fancy stats, he’s probably best described as a 4/5 D. With the right partner ie. someone to take care of the zone exits, he can play second pairing minutes at a more or less acceptable level, especially if he’s on the left side. He’s an above average third paring D (albeit one who earns twice as much you’d want your third pairing guys to).

    Russell is younger, faster and better than a bunch of the top 10 UFA D – guys like Coburn, Girardi and Lovejoy. With limited supply likely driving up both the AAV and term it takes to sign them, Russell’s contract ($4M next year, $2.5M the year after, with a cap hit of $4M both years) might actually seems attractive to some teams.

    So I think Russell is movable if the Oilers want to move him and can find a deal with one of the 10 teams on his list.

    This is all true.

    Nice post.

  48. Ben says:

    pts2pndr: It doesn’t matter who is hired and in fact we may be better off with Keith Gretzky until they fix points one and two.

    I mean, I would think the main reason for hiring a new GM would be to have that person address those first two points, among others.

    Why on earth would they put a bunch of new infrastructure in place now that might not align with the outlook of the new boss?

  49. JJ says:

    Oilpower says:
    April 25, 2019 at 3:48 pm

    Kyle Dubas “we will keep our young core!”
    Mike Babcock” we need more depth”
    Salary cap “bwhahahahaahahahah”
    Gonna be interesting summer in Toronto!

    ———————————

    Russell for Kadri.
    Leafs – Gotta toughen up the D.
    Oilers – 3rd line starting to shape up.

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: He was to much of a man to be playing in Junior hockey to begin with but thems the rules unless your a Eurpopean

    Technically, its not about nationality, its about the league being played in when drafted. Maksimov and Samorukov weren’t eligible for the AHL. As an aside, Safin was as he was drafted out of the Europe before he was taken by St. John in the import draft.

  51. leadfarmer says:

    JJ:
    Oilpower says:
    April 25, 2019 at 3:48 pm

    Kyle Dubas “we will keep our young core!”
    Mike Babcock” we need more depth”
    Salary cap “bwhahahahaahahahah”
    Gonna be interesting summer in Toronto!

    ———————————

    Russell for Kadri.
    Leafs – Gotta toughen up the D.
    Oilers – 3rd line starting to shape up.

    And then Dubas takes off his mask revealing Peter Chiarelli

  52. Marc says:

    McSorley33:

    That would depend on what the value of a 25 year old Right shot – 1st D is, no?

    The return for Trouba could be substantial and play a role in not just adding
    Niku and Poolman to the top 4 for the Jets.

    A 25 year old Right shot – 1st D with only a year left until UFA. That lowers the trade value quite a bit. A team that isn’t sure they can sign him isn’t going to give up much more than they would at the trade deadline ie. bottom of 1st round pick, young roster player with lowish ceiling and a B prospect. And a team that he is willing to sign with long term isn’t going to give up much because they know Winnipeg has limited leverage if Trouba isn’t willing to resign with anyone but them.

    Either way it’s unlikely that they’re getting a top 4 D in return.

  53. JJ says:

    leadfarmer says:
    April 25, 2019 at 4:22 pm

    JJ:
    Oilpower says:
    April 25, 2019 at 3:48 pm

    Kyle Dubas “we will keep our young core!”
    Mike Babcock” we need more depth”
    Salary cap “bwhahahahaahahahah”
    Gonna be interesting summer in Toronto!

    ———————————

    Russell for Kadri.
    Leafs – Gotta toughen up the D.
    Oilers – 3rd line starting to shape up.
    ———————————
    And then Dubas takes off his mask revealing Peter Chiarelli

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You never know.
    Babcock had to play Gardiner hurt because “we need more depth”.
    Kadri may have punched his ticket out with his second ill-timed suspension.
    Dubas will be under a lot of pressure from media, third consecutive playoff loss, “need to fix the defense” and salary cap (Marner’s contract).

    Trade for Russell (adds defense depth for Babcock),
    at negative salary hit (Kadri 4,500,000 = Russell 4,000,000 I think),
    and rids team of media and fan problem-child (Kadri).

    You will never know if you don’t make the call.
    or as WGretzky says “You miss !00% of the trades, you don”t ask about.”
    You never know.

  54. Lowetide says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    How far before the draft does the McKenzie list traditionally come out?

    It’s usually on about the Wednesday or so.

  55. leadfarmer says:

    Marc,

    Except for the established d that are likely to be available including Brodie, Ristolainen, Trouba, Faulk.
    I think a lot of teams have figured out how they want to play and Ricki D have almost no value for free let alone a 4mil contract
    Maybe in a year when he is owed 1.5 mil in real money a team will take him
    The list of teams that can absorb cap hits is diminishing so the market isn’t as large as people may think

  56. pts2pndr says:

    Ben: I mean, I would think the main reason for hiring a new GM would be to have that person address those first two points, among others.

    Why on earth would they put a bunch of new infrastructure in place now that might not align with the outlook of the new boss?

    Assuming what you say is true there is no way the new GM can change out both his pro scouting department and get an analytics dep up and running prior to the draft. If due dilligence is done on getting the right people it takes time. There is an old saying “haste makes waste”. The importance of getting it right this time can not be understated!

  57. leadfarmer says:

    JJ,

    Why would he do that when he could easily do Kadri for 1st round pick (later in round)
    Russell for future considerations

  58. Munny says:

    Bohologo:
    The Replacements really could have been a historically great band, but couldn’t get out of their own way: showing up blind drunk for gigs, spitting on fans, fist fights with each other.

    Not unlike this team we all cheer for, over here left of the dial.

    I particularly enjoyed that biopic about the band, starring Keanu and Gene Hackman…

  59. JJ says:

    leadfarmer says:
    April 25, 2019 at 4:57 pm

    JJ,

    Why would he do that when he could easily do Kadri for 1st round pick (later in round)
    Russell for future considerations.

    ————

    I am not as confident as you are that Kadri will bring a 1st rounder.
    I think there is a market for Russell, perhaps not the Leafs though.
    Time will tell.

  60. Rondo says:

    Boston, Colorado, Dallas , and NYI

  61. Ribs says:

    pts2pndr: Assuming what you say is true there is no way the new GM can change out both his pro scouting department and get an analytics dep up and running prior to the draft.If due dilligence is done on getting the right people it takes time. There is an old saying “haste makes waste”. The importance of getting it right this time can not be understated!

    New Oilers GM and POHO Meghan Chayka could turn these departments over in no time!

  62. Munny says:

    JJ,

    From the Presser, it sounded like Dubas still highly values Kadri.

  63. Munny says:

    pts2pndr: Assuming what you say is true there is no way the new GM can change out both his pro scouting department and get an analytics dep up and running prior to the draft.

    Why is the timing of the amateur draft a block to making changes to pro scouting?

  64. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Technically, its not about nationality, its about the league being played in when drafted.Maksimov and Samorukov weren’t eligible for the AHL. As an aside, Safin was as he was drafted out of the Europe before he was taken by St. John in the import draft.

    Not to many freshly drafted Bouchard’s playing in the Swedish leagues I still think it’s unfair to certain players and I think Bouchard would definitely be more all-around if he would of spent the year in Bakersfield rather then London

  65. JJ says:

    Munny says:
    April 25, 2019 at 5:29 pm

    JJ,

    From the Presser, it sounded like Dubas still highly values Kadri.

    —————————

    I have not seen it.
    Kadri is forgiven.
    Guess it probably won’t happen then.

  66. Georgexs says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Re: Bet on goalies

    I went 3 for 8 in the first round. (BOS, STL and NYI)

    If you just bet on the starting goalie who had the best all situations SV% in the first round you would have gone 5 for 8.

    COL, STL, DAL, CAR and NYI.

    Hockey = Mostly Goalie

    Goalies don’t score goals.

    They have no role in the offense.

    Goalies have very little control over shots against.

    Goalies don’t own sv%.

    sv% is a function of defensive play + goalie play.

    As an example, sv% drops during PK when there are fewer defenders.

    Hockey = Mostly Not Goalie

  67. Oil2Oilers says:

    Lowetide: It’s usually on about the Wednesday or so.

    Thank you

  68. Munny says:

    JJ: I have not seen it.
    Kadri is forgiven.
    Guess it probably won’t happen then.

    Well, we can never really trust what comes out of a GM’s mouth at these kinds of things, but he did make the point that Kadri has qualities that are rare on the team (ie his gritensity).

  69. Munny says:

    Georgexs: Hockey = Mostly Not Goalie

    Until you have a shite one.

  70. Ben says:

    Munny: Until you have a shite one.

    Then it’s 10% in your head.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    JJ:
    leadfarmer says:
    April 25, 2019 at 4:57 pm

    JJ,

    Why would he do that when he could easily do Kadri for 1st round pick (later in round)
    Russell for future considerations.

    ————

    I am not as confident as you are that Kadri will bring a 1st rounder.
    I think there is a market for Russell, perhaps not the Leafs though.
    Time will tell.

    I couldn’t imagine Kadri not having acquisition value greater than a late 1st rounder. The chances of a late first rounder becoming a Kadri level player are not great and Kadri is still young and on a great contract with solid term left.

    There is no sane world were Russell has greater trade value than Kadri.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Not to many freshly drafted Bouchard’s playing in the Swedish leagues I still think it’s unfair to certain players and I think Bouchard would definitely be more all-around if he would of spent the year in Bakersfield rather then London

    There were two in last year’s draft.

    Rasmus Dahlin.

    Adam Boquist was drafted out of Europe ahead of Bouchard and could have been assigned to the AHL this past year as opposed to joining London.

    There are lots of top d-men drafted out of Sweden – most years.

    Just for the 2017 draft, both Miro Heiskanen and Erik Brannstrom both played in Sweden in their draft plus 1 years and both are Bouchard level prospects (higher actually, even Brannstrom who was drafted 15th)..

  73. The Trade Guy says:

    I welcome big Dave Nonis to Edmonton!

  74. Glovjuice says:

    godot10: The Replacements are a historically great band.Their problems just meant that they were not commercially successful like the “copycatters” that followed in their wake like Nirvana and Pearl Jam.
    Westerberg High School is one of the most famous high schools in America during the late eighties and nineties.

    Not being commercially successful does not mean that a band is not historically important.

    Velvet Underground, Joy Division, The Replacements (a sample) are all more significant than bands that went on to be farmore commercially successfuly.

    Agreed. Both the Velvets and Joy Division are monumentally influential and practically created genres by their very existence.

  75. Glovjuice says:

    Paulie:
    godot10,

    I’d add Iggy and the Stooges too.

    Yes, absolutely. My Bloody Valentine to a much lesser degree.

  76. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: I couldn’t imagine Kadri not having acquisition value greater than a late 1st rounder.The chances of a late first rounder becoming a Kadri level player are not great and Kadri is still young and on a great contract with solid term left.

    There is no sane world were Russell has greater trade value than Kadri.

    With Kadri’s contract he’ll fetch more than people think agitator’s with his skill set are unique.

  77. Jaxon says:

    I have a question for the Lowetide hive mind. If the host of the Memorial Cup wins their League (there is a chance that Halifax wins their next series), do they make it a three team tournament or does the league finalist (or some other team based on some other criteria) from that League get in as well to make it a four team tournament. Rouyn-Noranda has made it to the final. Are they guaranteed a trip to the Memorial Cup if Halifax makes it to the finals as well (Halifax is up 3-1)?

  78. smellyglove says:

    Anyone know how RickettheBear is doing these days?

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon:
    I have a question for the Lowetide hive mind. If the host of the Memorial Cup wins their League (there is a chance that Halifax wins their next series), do they make it a three team tournament or does the league finalist (or some other team based on some other criteria) from that League get in as well to make it a four team tournament. Rouyn-Noranda has made it to the final. Are they guaranteed a trip to the Memorial Cup if Halifax makes it to the finals as well (Halifax is up 3-1)?

    The runner up gets the entry.

  80. Glovjuice says:

    leadfarmer:
    JJ,

    Why would he do that when he could easily do Kadri for 1st round pick (later in round)
    Russell for future considerations

    Wouldn’t 8 overall for the best 3C in the league be worthwhile?

  81. ArmchairGM says:

    Jaxon: Rouyn-Noranda has made it to the final. Are they guaranteed a trip to the Memorial Cup if Halifax makes it to the finals as well (Halifax is up 3-1)?

    Yes.

  82. ArmchairGM says:

    Glovjuice: Wouldn’t 8 overall for the best 3C in the league be worthwhile?

    I thought Nuge was the best 3C in the league…

  83. JimmyV1965 says:

    Munny:
    JJ,

    From the Presser, it sounded like Dubas still highly values Kadri.

    Kadri could easily fetch a first rounder, (maybe not top 10), but I would peg the odds of Toronto trading him at less than 1 in 20. Even if they are pissed at him right now, they simply can’t trade a good hockey player making $4 mill, especially with the cap hell they will soon be experiencing.

  84. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Analytics is more important on the pro side than amateur.

    A team could simply read Lowetide and have a proper draft.

    It’s finding quality undervalued pro players that is hard if it’s just bums in seats and eyeballs. The Oilers don’t have enough humans looking around the globe.

    Too many places to look now. All of the amateur stuff is well covered and info readily available for free.

    Ideally you have the math guys identifying players and scouts going to watch. Especially in knowing the other NHL teams rosters deeply, so when the GM is making a deal targets are already known and hopefully the Oilers can return to poaching some quality.

  85. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: I couldn’t imagine Kadri not having acquisition value greater than a late 1st rounder.The chances of a late first rounder becoming a Kadri level player are not great and Kadri is still young and on a great contract with solid term left.

    There is no sane world were Russell has greater trade value than Kadri.

    Agreed, this place is wacko sometimes. See my other post. Isn’t Kadri at least one of the best 3C on a good contract?

  86. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Glovjuice: Wouldn’t 8 overall for the best 3C in the league be worthwhile?

    No because Kadri is not an elite player and is older. The 8 has a chance of delivering an first line player.

    If you were talking Nolan Patrick I’d take the chance.

    Kadri should be attainable with less. Use prospects and later picks. Some analytics guys think more bullets is a good thing.

    I think given odds first rounders should only move for top level players. Kadri is good but not top end. And he’s 30 or 29 next year with term. Cliff approaches.

  87. Paulie says:

    Glovjuice,

    Spacemen 3 as well.

  88. defmn says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Analytics is more important on the pro side than amateur.

    A team could simply read Lowetide and have a proper draft.

    It’s finding quality undervalued pro players that is hard if it’s just bums in seats and eyeballs. The Oilers don’t have enough humans looking around the globe.

    Too many places to look now. All of the amateur stuff is well covered and info readily available for free.

    Ideally you have the math guys identifying players and scouts going to watch. Especially in knowing the other NHL teams rosters deeply, so when the GM is making a deal targets are already known and hopefully the Oilers can return to poaching some quality.

    Agreed on the math but an idea I have mentioned here before also seems worthwhile to me if Katz is willing to add a million to the budget.

    There is a group of former Oilers scattered all over Europe and North America these days who are retired or no longer involved in hockey. They aren’t scouts but they aren’t useless either.

    My idea would be to have the Oilers pick up 2 season tickets for as many as 30 -50 former players in the cities where they have retired.

    In return for that and an annual resort holiday where they can rub shoulders with current scouts and management during the early season they are available to answer questions, offer opinions, sit with the pro scouts when they travel to their city and fill in info from being locals who watch the team every time they play.

    I know the idea has limitations in terms of expertise but a guy that watches 40 games a year also has some insights that even a pro can miss in a quick two or three game viewing.

    Teams are always looking for an advantage that doesn’t count against the cap and I am always happy to help other people spend their money. 😉

  89. Rebillled says:

    Munny,

    Perhaps he’s building Kadri’s value instead of saying:

    ‘Somebody take this guy. He’s had 5 suspensions and been fined 3 times.’

    That’s an OBC move.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: Agreed on the math but an idea I have mentioned here before also seems worthwhile to me if Katz is willing to add a million to the budget.

    There is a group of former Oilers scattered all over Europe and North America these days who are retired or no longer involved in hockey. They aren’t scouts but they aren’t useless either.

    My idea would be to have the Oilers pick up 2 season tickets for as many as 30 -50 former players in the cities where they have retired.

    In return for that and an annual resort holiday where they can rub shoulders with current scouts and management during the early season they are available to answer questions, offer opinions, sit with the pro scouts when they travel to their city and fill in info from being locals who watch the team every time they play.

    I know the idea has limitations in terms of expertise but a guy that watches 40 games a year also has some insights that even a pro can miss in a quick two or three game viewing.

    Teams are always looking for an advantage that doesn’t count against the cap and I am always happy to help other people spend their money.

    Wait, the suggestion is to hire a bunch of ex-Oilers with no scouting/maganement/post-hockey experience to, essentially, scout and provide opinions on player acquisition?

  91. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: Wait, the suggestion is to hire a bunch of ex-Oilers with no scouting/maganement/post-hockey experience to, essentially, scout and provide opinions on player acquisition?

    No. The idea is to have them sit with professional scouts when they roll into town and offer their perspective from having watched those players play every home game. Just another piece of information for the pros.

    I don’t think there is a single season ticket holder who doesn’t think that he knows the players on his own team pretty well. Former players know who shows up for every game, who takes stupid penalties, who the coach puts on the ice at the end of tight games.

    Details that don’t necessarily show up in the numbers or every night of the season.

    Just a set of eyeballs that has the advantage of seeing every game which is impossible for scouts to do. And I am not suggesting this include every ex-player but how many former players retire to Europe and how many scouts do we have there? Would it hurt to have a guy send a text suggesting the team send their pro scout to watch a guy that is maybe flying under the radar?

  92. Glovjuice says:

    Scungilli Slushy: No because Kadri is not an elite player and is older. The 8 has a chance of delivering an first line player.

    If you were talking Nolan Patrick I’d take the chance.

    Kadri should be attainable with less. Use prospects and later picks. Some analytics guys think more bullets is a good thing.

    I think given odds first rounders should only move for top level players. Kadri is good but not top end. And he’s 30 or 29 next year with term. Cliff approaches.

    Too old for sure. Figured he was like 26-27.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: No. The idea is to have them sit with professional scouts when they roll into town and offer their perspective from having watched those players play every home game. Just another piece of information for the pros.

    I don’t think there is a single season ticket holder who doesn’t think that he knows the players on his own team pretty well. Former players know who shows up for every game, who takes stupid penalties, who the coach puts on the ice at the end of tight games.

    Details that don’t necessarily show up in the numbers or every night of the season.

    Just a set of eyeballs that has the advantage of seeing every game which is impossible for scouts to do. And I am not suggesting this include every ex-player but how many former players retire to Europe and how many scouts do we have there? Would it hurt to have a guy send a text suggesting the team send their pro scout to watch a guy that is maybe flying under the radar?

    Sure but that is essentially scouting

    Its also pretty much how we got Koskinen – with Kurri’s endorsement.

  94. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sure but that is essentially scouting

    Its also pretty much how we got Koskinen – with Kurri’s endorsement.

    Scouts travel. They cover many teams. They need to be able to assess skills etc. with very small samples. These differences alone require a level of talent and experience that I am not suggesting former players possess.

    I am simply suggesting that more eyes can’t hurt and might help. Not to mention that it gives a little more credence to the “Once an Oiler Always an Oiler”.

  95. pts2pndr says:

    Reja: He was to much of a man to be playing in Junior hockey to begin with but thems the rules unless your a Eurpopean

    Yes! If you are not eligible for AHL you have to go back to junior. It is done to protect major junior hockey. There should be a rule for exceptions but there isn’t but as I told my chidren, sorry that’s the rules,

  96. Bruce McCurdy says:

    PokeCheck,

    That’s because the Last Five widget is still active, even as the rest of the standngs are frozen after 82 GP.

    Click on any one of those four Tampa losses for example, & you will see they are all to CBJ. So of course all the teams who lost series have a bad past 5.

    Nice catch by you, you just didn’t catch what you thought you did.

  97. pts2pndr says:

    Glovjuice: Agreed, this place is wacko sometimes. See my other post. Isn’t Kadri at least one of the best 3C on a good contract?

    Hyped by the Toronto media and centre of the universe thinking you would be correct. Reality maybe not so much. To think people wonder why Tooronto hasn’t won since 1967. Dallas Eakins wass the greatest new head coach by the same thinkers.

  98. pts2pndr says:

    defmn: Scouts travel. They cover many teams. They need to be able to assess skills etc. with very small samples. These differences alone require a level of talent and experience that I am not suggesting former players possess.

    I am simply suggesting that more eyes can’t hurt and might help. Not to mention that it gives a little more credence to the “Once an Oiler Always an Oiler”.

    I think your thinking is valid but I would suggest having two to three amateur scouts per league make a list of top players and sent this list to their head pro scout who would then concentrate on those players. This would better utilize you pro scout. It would also allow pro scouts time to switch leagues and compare talented players. The initial list could be in by January giving the pro’s time to observe the noted players several times. Overall viewing would be a much larger number and should lend to a better success ratio.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: Scouts travel. They cover many teams. They need to be able to assess skills etc. with very small samples. These differences alone require a level of talent and experience that I am not suggesting former players possess.

    ..
    I am simply suggesting that more eyes can’t hurt and might help. Not to mention that it gives a little more credence to the “Once an Oiler Always an Oiler”.

    The primary job of a scout is to go watch hockey games and provide thoughts and analysis on players. This is exactly what you are suggesting these ex-Oilers do. Sure, they’d be focused on one team but you are suggesting they scout.

    Given all the dialogue these days re: OBC and former Oilers, I’m not sure the “once an Oiler always an Oiler” mantra is something most want propagated these days.

  100. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Georgexs: Goalies don’t score goals.

    They have no role in the offense.

    Goalies have very little control over shots against.

    Goalies don’t own sv%.

    sv% is a function of defensive play + goalie play.

    As an example, sv% drops during PK when there are fewer defenders.

    Hockey = Mostly Not Goalie

    100 years of results disagree with you

  101. gimme shelter says:

    With the reputation of the OBC right now I would not want ex-oilers doing anything right now.
    I was told we only have 2 pro scouts with one named Chiarelli. Oh God!!
    I liked the article itself on call-ups. We only have 6 mil to spend on free agents. Not very much at all.

  102. Ari says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Isn’t Nonis Dreger’s cousin or something? The name hasn’t really popped up before, couldn’t this be Dreger doing his relative a solid by telling the hockey world “look who’s also available”?

    A quick Google search shows that they’re first cousins.
    Thanks for pointing that out. I respect Dreger even less than I already did.

  103. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: The primary job of a scout is to go watch hockey games and provide thoughts and analysis on players.This is exactly what you are suggesting these ex-Oilers do.Sure, they’d be focused on one team but you are suggesting they scout.

    Given all the dialogue these days re: OBC and former Oilers, I’m not sure the “once an Oiler always an Oiler” mantra is something most want propagated these days.

    No. That is not it at all. These are just “friendly eyes” feeding information up the chain to actual scouts.

  104. defmn says:

    pts2pndr: I think your thinking is valid but I would suggest having two to three amateur scouts per league make a list of top players and sent this list to their head pro scout who would then concentrate on those players. This would better utilize you pro scout. It would also allow pro scouts time to switch leagues and compare talented players. The initial list could be in by January giving the pro’s time to observe the noted players several times. Overall viewing would be a much larger number and should lend to a better success ratio.

    That could work as well. All I was trying to get at is that with the huge number of leagues and players all over the world it is getting harder and harder to get enough looks at all of them.

    The costs of travel for the scouts has to be huge for organizations so they only employ maybe 10 -12 amateur and pro scouts per team. All i am suggesting is that locals be given a few perks here and there to make them feel like they are still “in the game” and multiply those eyes so as to give the professional scouts more inside info when they show up to take their 1 or 2 game look. A small competitive edge for not a lot of investment by NHL budget standards.

  105. ArmchairGM says:

    Glovjuice: Too old for sure. Figured he was like 26-27.

    He is 28, turns 29 in October. So he’s signed for his 29, 30 and 31-year-old seasons. Not much risk.

    $4.5M for a guy who scored 45-61 points in each of the last 4 seasons and 32 goals twice is a steal.

  106. godot10 says:

    Bohologo: I don’t disagree with any of this, but selfishly speaking, I think they could have hung around a bit longer, released more records, and left a deeper catalogue, if not for getting in their own way.You do get the sense that Westerberg is a bit of a jerk, so the center may have not held under any circumstances.Alas.

    Paul Westerberg, as a solo artist, has a deep catalogue, which is pretty good.

  107. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM: He is 28, turns 29 in October. So he’s signed for his 29, 30 and 31-year-old seasons. Not much risk.

    $4.5M for a guy who scored 45-61 points in each of the last 4 seasons and 32 goals twice is a steal.

    So Kadri would be gone and basically done just as the #8OV pick is ready to be an impact player. That is the epitome of short term thinking, and poor asset management.

  108. bendelson says:

    I’ve been slowly indoctrinating my wife to ‘the Mats’ for some time now… and it’s beginning to take hold. She came into the room the other day while I had Alex Chilton on blast and easily identified both song and band. Woot! Woot!

  109. Professor Q says:

    bendelson:
    I’ve been slowly indoctrinating my wife to ‘the Mats’ for some time now… and it’s beginning to take hold.She came into the room the other day while I had Alex Chilton on blast and easily identified both song and band.Woot!Woot!

    And how are the Mats Sundin these days?

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