The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight

Do you remember when the Oilers sent down Jesse Puljujarvi and then recalled him just a few days later? New coach (Ken Hitchcock) and his center (Ryan Strome) down the line, the brass was strong on the idea but the young Finn continued to wander a crooked road in the NHL. If they’d kept him in the AHL, young JP might have done something in 2018-19 that he could build on this season. Such a shame.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group.INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Hard to please, but easy to work for’: How Sean Burke’s philosophy as a GM would benefit the Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A dogged realist, Kelly McCrimmon’s resume makes him an attractive candidate for the Oilers GM job
  • New Lowetide: Is this the season the Oilers take the plunge and draft a USHL player in the first round?
  • Jonathan Willis: Top Oilers prospect Evan Bouchard stars in his first AHL game as Condors dominate.
  • Lowetide: Adam Larsson’s importance to the Oilers and why trading him is a bad idea.
  • Lowetide: Tyler Benson’s comparables offer Oilers fans plenty of hope for the future.
  • Lowetide: Making the call on the Oilers’ RFAs with a new general manager on the way.
  • Lowetide: Red Wings front office shuffle could impact Oilers’ future.
  • Jonathan Willis: Potential coaching candidates and why the Oilers don’t need to rush the GM search to get one
  • Lowetide: What would Glen Sather do with these Oilers?
  • Jonathan Willis: Some creative solutions to address the Oilers’ goalie problem
  • Lowetide: The Milan Lucic saga rolls into Year 4 for Oilers with no easy answers
  • Jonathan Willis: Who stays and who goes? An early projection of which players will remain on the Oilers’ roster in 2019-20
  • LowetideHow high can these Condors fly?
  • Lowetide: The Oilers possible summer trade pieces, and which longtime players might be saying goodbye.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ten prospects likely to be available when the Oilers make their first-round pick.

CONDORS NUMBERS 2018-19

Our friend Eric Rodgers dropped his final numbers for the 2018-19 Bakersfield Condors season. His kindness to our community began in Oklahoma City and continues in California. This year, Eric estimated special teams minutes, which allows us to drill down on each discipline. Today, I’m going to list the prospects and talk even-strength numbers. Here are the prospect forwards.

We can’t claim any sort of trend for JP’s numbers here, I included them to show the same of recall by PC/Hitch. What the hell? He played on a line with Benson and Currie, and got some power-play time (we’ll address that in the coming days).

Cooper Marody’s numbers are strong across the board, he’s the forward from this roster who should get the push this fall. Tyler Benson has good numbers, but Gambardella was a more productive left winger.

Kailer Yamamoto tied for the team lead in power-play goals (6) despite playing less than half a season (27 games). Still, his even strength production lagged and he’s likely to return in the fall. I’m not as down on him as many, but KY’s year two of entry deal will need to see a major spike.

CONDORS DEFENSE 2018-19

Caleb Jones is ready for the NHL, he just needs a training camp (and possibly a summer trade of a veteran). The time on ice estimates show him leading in even strength, power play and in the rotation on the penalty kill.

Ethan Bear also played in all three game states, over a minute in each of the PK and PP. He has been passed by Jones (who was terrific in the NHL) but that doesn’t mean he can’t help the Oilers. Solid numbers.

William Lagesson leads the group in two categories, even strength goal differential and PK estimated time. I don’t know where he fits, but if he continues to play this well, Edmonton will need to find a spot in the order.

NHL-READY (IN ORDER)

Caleb Jones is ready. Full stop. Cooper Marody has a great chance. After that, I’m not sure we can say anyone is that kind of lock. Ethan Bear is a good young player, but Matt Benning has his job. Joel Persson and Evan Bouchard are in the mix with Bear. No way we can say Bear has an inside track on any job heading to camp.

  1. Caleb Jones
  2. Cooper Marody
  3. Ethan Bear
  4. William Lagesson
  5. Joe Gambardella
  6. Josh Currie
  7. Tyler Benson
  8. Keegan Lowe
  9. Shane Starrett
  10. Patrick Russell

Benson’s ranking is the most difficult, because I do believe there’s a chance he wins a job on a skill line (meaning he should be above Gambardella and Currie). In ranking him No. 7, I’m going to take Bob Nicholson’s word about slow playing prospects, even if it means the LW depth chart goes Leon Draisaitl, Milan Lucic, Jujhar Khaira, Joe Gambardella.

Daniel Nugent-Bowman has been hitting it out of the park since he got here, but the recent GM pieces are my favorites from him all year. I linked to his Sean Burke article above, excellent insight on a man the Oilers are considering for the big job.

I’m going to guess Mark Hunter wins the day but it sounds like the process is nearing a close and a hiring is in the immediate future.

WILDE ON BAKERSFIELD

Our friend Wilde passed along the possession stats (Corsi 5-on-5) for the 5-2 win over Colorado on Tuesday. Wilde says “On Ice – Forwards (players are grouped by ‘lines’, which of course functioned differently for 11/7, there were reoccurring lines as well as one-off mish-mashes, but the most common complete lines were the starters)” and ” Defense (same thing; starting ‘pairs’, like forwards, they functioned differently and you saw a lot of Lowe-Day and Stanton-Bear).”

I’ll have the series totals for the GDT tonight.

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137 Responses to "The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight"

  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Finally the Condors back in action tonight after a long lay-off since Tuesday’s Dominant performance. Two chances to finish off the Eagles at home.

    Will Woodcroft dress 7D again or maybe just go with 6 and give Bouchard more of a regular shift?

    There is the possibility of using Day at forward (which they’ve done this year) and he c an move back if things are going off the rails.

  2. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Finally the Condors back in action tonight after a long lay-off since Tuesday’s Dominant performance. Two chances to finish off the Eagles at home.

    Will Woodcroft dress 7D again or maybe just go with 6 and give Bouchard more of a regular shift?

    There is the possibility of using Day at forward (which they’ve done this year) and he c an move back if things are going off the rails.

    Oh God, I guarantee MacTavish was involved in moving Day to forward. Give him another year and he’ll have the goalie taking faceoffs in practice.

  3. JOFA says:

    Hunter doesn’t sit right with me. I want a GM with hair. Is that too much to ask?

  4. Mr DeBakey says:

    still in the mix, as is Sean Burke. Burke is an interesting option, known to be extremely well prepared and very thorough. Dark horse candidate we don’t hear a lot about.

    Plus, he’s in town all the time to watch his son play
    https://canadawest.hockeytech.com/men/stats/player/2821/74/brendan-burke

  5. Bag of Pucks says:

    In a perfect world Puljujarvi stays down in Bake last year, establishes chemistry with Benson and voila two ready made wingers to flank RNH.

    All that said, I think this fanbase is going through the 5 stages of grief with JP that we did with Yakupov.
    Currently in denial that the Oil drafted another bust and we’ll be solidly into the anger phase if he doesn’t show much post injury.

    I’m disappointed in the verbal around his agent fast tracking the ELC and spurning the A. Even more disappointed that the Oil brass let that happen to a player whose rights they firmly controlled.

    Definitely a lot of mistakes made by all parties.

  6. leadfarmer says:

    Sekera Russell and Benning are all occupying spots that are needed to break in young D. We are probably ok for next year but the following year we need to start moving these guys. They won’t get re-signed on this team (except for maybe Benning if he takes a step forward) and we won’t risk losing the younger guys on waivers.

  7. Bag of Pucks says:

    JOFA:
    Hunter doesn’t sit right with me. I want a GM with hair. Is that too much to ask?

    How about one with nice boobs while we’re asking?

  8. Wilde says:

    In addition to the macro-level notes about deployment in Game 3, I’ll repost the Bouchard notes I posted on the thread from the day after, for anyone who missed them:

    Wilde: – he played a total of eight shifts where a shot attempt occurred

    – they ended up with counts of +9 / -4 (+5)

    – he played every shift with either Stanton or Lowe

    – he was a primary contributor on seven of the nine CF he was on the ice for (!)

    – he made one pretty bad mistake with the puck but was otherwise smart

    And here are some of the common extrastarter lines:

    Benson – Vesel – Gust

    Benson – Espo – Gust

    Polei – Vesel – Callahan

    Benson – Espo – Currie

    Polei – Espo – Callahan

    The line that stayed together the most was the Malone trio, who are taking the hard matchups in this series and allowing the thinness of this Colorado team be exposed to some of the down-lineup weapons that Woodcroft has at his disposal. This coincides with a serious, unexpected uptick in the performances of Polei, Vesel, and Gust; whether they’re playing together or apart.

    Not a very close series in general. It’ll be interesting to see if any other AHL team has dusted their first-round opponent in this fashion, I think CBJ’s minor team swept TBY’s, funnily enough.

  9. JOFA says:

    Bag of Pucks: How about one with nice boobs while we’re asking?

    Boobs are nice! Edit: some boobs

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    William Lagesson is a gem – this is player that they have developed absolutely perfectly since drafted and he’s rewarded them by improving year over year in various leagues and, this season, month over month.

    His skill set is made for the new NHL. If Adam Larsson is the new age Jason Smith, William Lagesson will be the new age Adam Larsson. An aggressive defense first defender who is mobile and can move the puck with decent offensive IQ.

    I can’t disagree on Jones’ readiness but I would posit that Lagesson is right there.

    Maybe only one breaks camp with the team but all will get NHL time this year – the team doesn’t need to make room this off season as the team will use 10 plus d-men I’m sure – every year – that’s the league.

    All three lose their waiver exemptions after this year so they will all get time – it’ll be very interesting to see what the starting 6 looks like October 2020.

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yup – I think the only thing we know for sure is that Hunter and McCrimmon are in the running. Other than that, I don’t know who has been talked to, how many times, if any offers have been made or whatever and, you know what, that’s OK – there is no need for every detail to be made known to the public.

    At the end of the day, whoever they hire, be it McCrimmon, Hunter, Gretzky, Verbeek, Guerin, Gillis, Burke, whoever, I wills support them with an absolute clean slate without regard to anything they have done in the past in this or any other organization.

    Personally, I have nothing to chose really between any of the candidates as, at the end of the day, I don’t really know what they have really done with any NHL organization, what their day to day duties were, how involved they were with regard to the good and bad decisions made by their organizations, etc.

    Clean slate – will analyze the new GM and his moves going forward.

  12. Bag of Pucks says:

    JOFA: Boobs are nice! Edit: some boobs

    On second thoughts, we’ve had plenty of boobs in that office already and it hasn’t worked.

    No more boobs!

    Now there’s a chant that will never gather momentum.

  13. Wilde says:

    It’s also interesting who got eased off – notice Jones and Marody’s lower counts? When I finished tallying those, I actually got nervous enough to do some verification because those are two of the premier players on the team – but they did indeed get some rest in the latter half of the game. Which is simultaneously worrying on the injury front; amusing in the competitive context of a playoff series; and indicative of the luxury that the performances of some lower-lineup players are affording the Bakersfield coaching staff.

  14. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Which is why we will have to move some of the older vets out next year.

  15. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks: How about one with nice boobs while we’re asking?

    I think that would also be Hunter

  16. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    In a perfect world Puljujarvi stays down in Bake, establishes chemistry with Benson and voila two ready made wingers to flank RNH.

    Alas, he is waiver eligible next year and would never clear.

  17. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Bag of Pucks,

    In a perfect world Puljujarvi stays down in Bake, establishes chemistry with Benson and voila two ready made wingers to flank RNH.

    Alas, he is waiver eligible next year and would never clear.

    Yep they’re pot committed to him being in the dance now. Thanks Mr. Agent!

  18. Kraz says:

    So Cole Caufield has two quick goals in the third period against Russia to give USA a 2-1 lead. He has 14 goals alone in the tournament which ties Alex Ovechkin for most goals in the tournament. His goal total for the season is now up to 72. He is an insane talent and if he was a couple inches taller he would probably be just behind Hughes and Kakko in the draft. I would be absolutely thrilled if the Oilers got him at #8. His upside is too much to turn down and would be a great fit next to McDavid or Draisaitl.

  19. Wilde says:

    Kraz,

    His last season was obscene too. He’s on a rocket curve, it’s pretty nutty and is going to make him a very, very interesting test case and virtual referendum on the scouting community on this issue.

  20. Greenberg says:

    You boobies are overrating the mammary factor.

  21. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Bag of Pucks,

    In a perfect world Puljujarvi stays down in Bake, establishes chemistry with Benson and voila two ready made wingers to flank RNH.

    Alas, he is waiver eligible next year and would never clear.

    Then keep him down there until the offseason.

  22. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Is the new formatting of LT’s text boxes in blue over blue to make it easier to read phone? Or easer to log int? Has there been feedback? Was the change from simple white text just a refresh, Is this an experiment? Do we comment on this change?

    **Asking for a friend….**

  23. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Kraz,

    I think the Oilers have to draft Caulfield if he is on the board at 8. The Oilers have needed a shooter forever. I don’t care how tall he is it is hard to ignore those numbers.

  24. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Re-Post from last thread

    godot10: Toronto is the team in deeper cap hell than the Oilers.So there is no way the Oilers should make a “fair” hockey deal with the Leafs. Hockey wise, the OIlers should get an edge to compensate for the cap relief the Oilers would be providing the Leafs.

    Right D is a huge need for the Leafs. So Kadri for Larsson would be a huge win for them.It would be helping them solve their cap problem and hockey problem without exacting a “commission” or “premium” for that.

    Godot makes an excellent point here but missing is the fact that the Leafs aren’t only weak at rHD, they lack NHL d depth of any sort at this exact moment.

    Larsson for Kadri one for one is the kind of thing that should get an Oiler GM fired. Not only does it trade a position of relative weakness for the Oilers but it does nothing to cull the herd in order to “successfully” transition some of the young prospects into the NHL.

    Toronto’s d heading into next year is Muzzin, Reilly, McDermott and Zaitsev. After that it’s toss ins like Hill. Toronto needs depth more than a stud.

    If you’re trading with Toronto right now I say you trade depth for depth + a sweetener to make it palatable.

    Which is Russell + Benning + Jujhar for Kadri Brown

    TO gets their defensive depth plus a “tough” plug and play forward option all on cost controlled contracts. The Oil get some froward depth.

    The cap hits equal out as do the contract lengths, TO covers two of their defensive bases (and Babcock would have all day for a guy like Russell me thinks) and the Oilers grab some forwards both of whom had down years (Brown captained the Otters before McDavids draft year).

    That being said I agree that Kadri’s value is higher which is why you may need another sweeter tossed in. I’d posit that Bear would be the option as it gives them a bit more depth but, Dubas and Co would likely be interested in Samorukov and/or JP which might be a price to dear.

  25. Kraz says:

    Wilde,

    I’m not too worried about his size. He seems to be a floater type player that finds quiet space in the offensive zone and then uses his deadly accurate shot to finish plays. That is great fit next to Jack Hughes and would seem to translate well with a McDavid. He also has a wicked good one timer from the left circle on the power play. But with how this tournament is going he could easily be gone before the Oilers get to their pick

  26. Bag of Pucks says:

    I think the GM definitely needs to look at the development process from all angles (culture & language assimilation, tactical education, skills development, strength training, nutrition, sleep). The whole enchilada.

    I read the Hockey News profile on Brayden Point a couple months back and it was very clear the Lightning had a tailored development plan in mind for this player before they even drafted him! Point said from day one the skating tutor training was designed to address specific deficiencies in his stride and it had huge impacts on improving his game. The Lightning are looking for raw talent they can refine.

    By contrast, the Oil draft the raw talent and then seem to believe playing the game is enough to refine it. When they have a player with the drive and resources to own his off ice development like Hall, McDavid and Draisaitl, that seems to make up for the Oilers deficiencies in this area. But with raw players like Yakupov and Puljujarvi, and possibly even Reinhart and Moroz, the lack of a cohesive development strategy seems to leave the player foundering for answers.

    I know there’s not a lot of love for him on this board, but I think Andrew Ference could be a good hire on the development side. No one got more out of the modest skills he had and Ference seems to stay abreast of modern training sciences. Seems very Gary Roberts like. I’m still shocked the OBC never found a role for Smytty either.

  27. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Don’t we think that to say that ranking McCrimmon vs Hunter vs Burke : we have no clue

    – Really isn’t the choice from the Oilers about who is going to allow for the most continuity, and fit it

    – All three are fine choices: just depends what the ask is. I suspect McCrimmon would ask for the most autonomy, Burke would have the most innovative ideas, and Hunter more old-school good hockey guy that fits in well this group. I would have liked Verbeek, but suspect he’s like McCrimmon: I’m in charge

    – My bet is Hunter + Keith, with Bob POHO. This is the safe route

  28. deardylan says:

    Anyone focusing solely on analytics for coaches?

    Wouldnt a certain leader that rhymes with Cuutin be a great coach in this day and age. He would send all other teams into Nhlexit, infighting, caphell and have his analytics department pose crazy stats over other blogs. Then blame them for their lack of leadership.

  29. leadfarmer says:

    Going to be hard to pass on that first person shooter
    Although he will probably go 7-10 and decent chance Buffalo picks him up and I doubt he drops lower than Van

  30. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Don’t we think that to say that ranking McCrimmon vs Hunter vs Burke : we have no clue

    – Really isn’t the choice from the Oilers about who is going to allow for the most continuity, and fit it

    – All three are fine choices: just depends what the ask is.I suspect McCrimmon would ask for the most autonomy, Burke would have the most innovative ideas, and Hunter more old-school good hockey guy that fits in well this group.I would have liked Verbeek, but suspect he’s like McCrimmon: I’m in charge

    – My bet is Hunter + Keith, with Bob POHO.This is the safe route

    Coming out of that TO situation, I would suspect Hunter would want a fair amount of autonomy as well.

    He And Lou lost out to Dubas in a power play there. Suspect he’ll want more control of his fate here.

  31. Bag of Pucks says:

    Btw, pretty easy to get in the mood for hockey talk again with a hot coffee in hand and cold snow on the ground!

    Why do we live here again?

  32. Woogie63 says:

    An important part of NHL hockey is capably replacing injuries.

    Last year injuries to Klefbom and Russell, might of cost us a play-off spot.

    In 2019-20 the call up options are reasonable 20 game NHLers

  33. Ben says:

    An important consideration for the GM hire is who else they can bring with them. It’s the one area where I think extensive NHL experience would be really helpful. Not sure if McCrimmon or Hunter would have access to the same big-league talent pool in scouting, analytics, etc. as a Verbeek would.

  34. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bag of Pucks: Coming out of that TO situation, I would suspect Hunter would want a fair amount of autonomy as well.

    He And Lou lost out to Dubas in a power play there. Suspect he’ll want more control of his fate here.

    – Perhaps, but he’s not high on most teams lists: he’s in the cateogry of “I’d hope to be GM”, vs a Verbeek or Mcrimmon, who are “I’m for sure going to be a GM” (well unless they are AGM’s next year and their teams lose in 1st round again, then there will be new shiny AGMs from other teams)

    – Hunter isn’t in the NHL, nor has he been a GM: so his hand is weaker IMO in terms of his asks

    – Of course he also has a good side hussle, that most guys out of NHL don’t have, unless they are commentators, so there’s that: maybe he hopes to ask for more

  35. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Perhaps, but he’s not high on most teams lists: he’s in the cateogry of “I’d hope to be GM”, vs a Verbeek or Mcrimmon, who are “I’m for sure going to be a GM” (well unless they are AGM’s next year and their teams lose in 1st round again, then there will be new shiny AGMs from other teams)

    – Hunter isn’t in the NHL, nor has he been a GM: so his hand is weaker IMO in terms of his asks

    – Of course he also has a good side hussle, that most guys out of NHL don’t have, unless they are commentators, so there’s that: maybe he hopes to ask for more

    Good points.

  36. Wilde says:

    Kraz:
    Wilde,

    I’m not too worried about his size. He seems to be a floater type player that finds quiet space in the offensive zone and then uses his deadly accurate shot to finish plays. That is great fit next to Jack Hughes and would seem to translate well with a McDavid. He also has a wicked good one timer from the left circle on the power play. But with how this tournament is going he could easily be gone before the Oilers get to their pick

    I’m not worried about it in the slightest. To BoP’s point above, pun intended, I think a team (that’s not us) is going to have a plan going in when they draft him. Part of that is ‘confidence’ in your coaching staff; both levels.

    It’ll be interesting to see what happens to him in his first year of NCAA hockey, given the Wahlstrom debacle.

  37. JOFA says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Don’t we think that to say that ranking McCrimmon vs Hunter vs Burke : we have no clue

    – Really isn’t the choice from the Oilers about who is going to allow for the most continuity, and fit it

    – All three are fine choices: just depends what the ask is.I suspect McCrimmon would ask for the most autonomy, Burke would have the most innovative ideas, and Hunter more old-school good hockey guy that fits in well this group.I would have liked Verbeek, but suspect he’s like McCrimmon: I’m in charge

    – My bet is Hunter + Keith, with Bob POHO.This is the safe route

    It’s a good bet considering the lunatics running the show. Also the wrong choice. Burn it to the ground!

  38. JOFA says:

    Kraz:
    So Cole Caufield has two quick goals in the third period against Russia to give USA a 2-1 lead. He has 14 goals alone in the tournament which ties Alex Ovechkin for most goals in the tournament. His goal total for the season is now up to 72. He is an insane talent and if he was a couple inches taller he would probably be just behind Hughes and Kakko in the draft. I would be absolutely thrilled if the Oilers got him at #8. His upside is too much to turn down and would be a great fit next to McDavid or Draisaitl.

    Wayyyyy too small! That would be like choosing Debrincat😉

  39. Optimism is like heroin says:

    I keep seeing Larsson as a player that might be an option to trade. The thought of going into next year with maybe Russel, Benning and Bouchard as the RD depth makes my bowels quiver

  40. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    – The Oil view is clear: it’s all good, except for the old GM. And many of the players we get don’t play the right way, so we need players who listen to us better, and we have learned a lot

    – I think the combo that fits this line of thinking is a Hunter + Keith + OBC + Hitch + Bob

    – We haven’t heard a “we are really behind the times, and the way we’ve worked for the last 10 years needs a radical change: the results don’t lie”

    – If the message was this we would be like: Mcrimmon + Cool Coach + VOR dreamteam +

  41. LMHF#1 says:

    Woogie63:
    An important part of NHL hockey is capably replacing injuries.

    Last year injuries to Klefbom and Russell, might of cost us a play-off spot.

    In 2019-20 the call up options are reasonable 20 game NHLers

    This organization has treated injuries as an excuse rather than a reality for quite some time. It appears to be in the culture.

  42. godot10 says:

    JOFA:
    Hunter doesn’t sit right with me. I want a GM with hair. Is that too much to ask?

    MacT had hair. StevieT had hair. Eakins had hair.

  43. JOFA says:

    godot10: MacT had hair.StevieT had hair.Eakins had hair.

    I like Glen Sather’s hair.

  44. Numenius says:

    I actually think it’s a good idea to keep Keith on for at least a year, whoever the gm is. I don’t think it’s just nepotism to keep him.

    That way he can give the gm context so as to prevent him from doing something rash.

    For example, if the Leafs come asking for Lagesson or Samorukov for magic beans, Keith can intervene, whereas the new gm won’t necessarily realize their value.

    On the other hand, of course, listening to the old guard about Hall and and Reinhardt didn’t help Chia any.

  45. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Bag of Pucks,

    – The Oil view is clear: it’s all good, except for the old GM.And many of the players we get don’t play the right way, so we need players who listen to us better, and we have learned a lot

    – I think the combo that fits this line of thinking is a Hunter + Keith + OBC + Hitch + Bob

    – We haven’t heard a “we are really behind the times, and the way we’ve worked for the last 10 years needs a radical change: the results don’t lie”

    – If the message was this we would be like: Mcrimmon + Cool Coach + VOR dreamteam +

    Evolution won’t occur until Katz threatens extinction.

    It doesn’t help that Burgers is nearing end of career age. Doubt he’s too concerned about his future at this point.

  46. slopitch says:

    Its getting very hard for the oil to pass on cole caufield..

    Kraz:
    So Cole Caufield has two quick goals in the third period against Russia to give USA a 2-1 lead. He has 14 goals alone in the tournament which ties Alex Ovechkin for most goals in the tournament. His goal total for the season is now up to 72. He is an insane talent and if he was a couple inches taller he would probably be just behind Hughes and Kakko in the draft. I would be absolutely thrilled if the Oilers got him at #8. His upside is too much to turn down and would be a great fit next to McDavid or Draisaitl.

  47. who says:

    JOFA: Wayyyyy too small! That would be like choosing Debrincat

    I used to think we didn’t need another smurfs, after drafting Yamamoto.
    But after watching him play I would grab him at 8 if he is available. Seems sturdier than Yamamoto. Also looks to be faster with a better shot that can cash from distance. Different player type from Yamamoto, in my opinion.

  48. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q: Then keep him down there until the offseason.

    He would have to be assigned there out of camp and clear waivers then.

    Can’t “start” him in the AHL without clearing waivers.

  49. JimmyV1965 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Re-Post from last thread

    Godot makes an excellent point here but missing is the fact that the Leafs aren’t only weak at rHD, they lack NHL d depth of any sort at this exact moment.

    Larsson for Kadri one for one is the kind of thing that should get an Oiler GM fired. Not only does it trade a position of relative weakness for the Oilers but it does nothing to cull the herd in order to “successfully” transition some of the young prospects into the NHL.

    Toronto’s d heading into next year is Muzzin, Reilly, McDermott and Zaitsev. After that it’s toss ins like Hill. Toronto needs depth more than a stud.

    If you’re trading with Toronto right now I say you trade depth for depth + a sweetener to make it palatable.

    Which is Russell + Benning + Jujhar for Kadri Brown

    TO gets their defensive depth plus a “tough” plug and play forward option all on cost controlled contracts. The Oil get some froward depth.

    The cap hits equal out as do the contract lengths, TO covers two of their defensive bases (and Babcock would have all day for a guy like Russell me thinks) and the Oilers grab some forwards both of whom had down years (Brown captained the Otters before McDavids draft year).

    That being said I agree that Kadri’s value is higher which is why you may need another sweeter tossed in. I’d posit that Bear would be the option as it gives them a bit more depth but, Dubas and Co would likely be interested in Samorukov and/or JP which might be a price to dear.

    There will be many teams interested in Kadri if he’s traded. ( I think the chances of Toronto moving him are about 5%). Just off the top of my head, I think Carolina could offer a better package than what you are proposing. De Haan and TVR would would likely be more attractive. The Canes have a bunch of dmen ready to move up from the AHL as well.

  50. Sierra says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Bag of Pucks,

    – The Oil view is clear: it’s all good, except for the old GM.And many of the players we get don’t play the right way, so we need players who listen to us better, and we have learned a lot

    – I think the combo that fits this line of thinking is a Hunter + Keith + OBC + Hitch + Bob

    – We haven’t heard a “we are really behind the times, and the way we’ve worked for the last 10 years needs a radical change: the results don’t lie”

    – If the message was this we would be like: Mcrimmon + Cool Coach + VOR dreamteam +

    Yes, this is the fear

  51. jtblack says:

    The WHL playoff scoring leader has played 15 games. 7 G 11 A 18 Pts

    The leader is a Defenseman.
    The leader is 17 yrs old.

    It’s draft eligible Bowen Byram. A comparable I like for Byram is Morgan Reilly. One team is going to get a stud D man.

  52. JOFA says:

    Numenius:
    I actually think it’s a good idea to keep Keith on for at least a year, whoever the gm is. I don’t think it’s just nepotism to keep him.

    That way he can give the gm context so as to prevent him from doing something rash.

    For example, if the Leafs come asking for Lagesson or Samorukov for magic beans, Keith can intervene, whereas the new gm won’t necessarily realize their value.

    On the other hand, of course, listening to the old guardabout Hall and and Reinhardt didn’t help Chia any.

    Agreed. It would be like keeping on MacT. Let’s hope they keep him on again. Who am I kidding? He’s a lock!

  53. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Re: Trading Larsson for Kadri

    What that would do is free up RNH for a trade.

    COL is interested in RNH for Barrie if the tea leaves are to be believed.

    I’m not sure Barrie is a good option for 1RD, although he’d be a great 2RD

    He might actually mesh well with Nurse.

    I’m a believer of Dpairs need at least one guy who excels at getting the puck back from Top 6 forwards.

    I think Larsson gets the puck back from top 6 forwards much better than Nurse at this point. Larsson had a terrible year, but his track record is solid. Nurse had a meh year and his track record is variable, but not bad.

    Nurse-Barrie
    Klefbom-Russell
    Sekera-Bouchard

    ???

    I think that Kadri > RNH (better contract too)

    I think in some respects that Barrie > Larsson, but not in all respects.

    Would be an interesting shuffle.

  54. Ryan says:

    who: I used to think we didn’t need another smurfs, after drafting Yamamoto.
    But after watching him play I would grab him at 8 if he is available.Seems sturdier than Yamamoto. Also looks to be faster with a better shot that can cash from distance. Different player type from Yamamoto,in my opinion.

    Why do players with such a high percent of points from goals make me nervous?

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: Oh God, I guarantee MacTavish was involved in moving Day to forward. Give him another year and he’ll have the goalie taking faceoffs in practice.

    To be fair, Day was only moved to forward when their forward depth was decimated with the 3 in Edmonton (Currie, Joe G, Malone) and Russell and Yamamoto both out with injury.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Which is why we will have to move some of the older vets out next year.

    Yes, next year, quite likely, assuming continued progression from at least a few of the youngsters.

  57. godot10 says:

    slopitch:
    Its getting very hard for the oil to pass on cole caufield..

    I’m thinking it improves the chances of Cozens falling to eight, which would be a better outcome for the OIlers.

  58. slopitch says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Barrie would need to sign at a reasonable number but i dont hate it. Might be able to swap 4 and 8 with colorafo in that scenario too

  59. YKOil says:

    JOFA: Boobs are nice! Edit: some boobs

    Need to understand the metrics before I can posit an opinion – is this with or without the scraggly hairs around the nipples?

  60. JOFA says:

    YKOil: Need to understand the metrics before I can posit an opinion – is this with or without the scraggly hairs around the nipples?

    Hair is an added bonus/fetish😉

  61. Westchester Oil says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    In a perfect world Puljujarvi stays down in Bake, establishes chemistry with Benson and voila two ready made wingers to flank RNH.

    All that said, I think this fanbase is going through the 5 stages of grief with JP that we did with Yakupov.
    Currently in denial that the Oil drafted another bust and we’ll be solidly into the anger phase if he doesn’t show much post injury.

    I’m disappointed in the verbal around his agent fast tracking the ELC and spurning the A. Even more disappointed that the Oil brass let that happen to a player whose rights they firmly controlled.

    Definitely a lot of mistakes made by all parties.

    Biggest mistake, regardless of the consensus, was drafting him at #4. As per LT’s post the other day, I believe JP’s NHLE was only 21. The masses were fooled by the small sample size of the World Juniors that year when he played with Laine.

  62. Glovjuice says:

    Optimism is like heroin:
    I keep seeing Larsson as a player that might be an option to trade.The thought of going into next year with maybe Russel, Benning and Bouchard as the RD depth makes my bowels quiver

    That’s hot

  63. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The Oilers really need two way players more than anything .

    To me what is messing things up is they have too many players that only do one thing, some that don’t do much at all. Too many passengers.

    We’re seeing in these playoffs that quickness and challenging the puck all over the ice is winning. The importance of play on the boards is yuge. You can’t win if you can’t win pucks. You can’t win if the D aren’t standing up at the red line (challenging the neutral zone) let alone the defensive blue line.

    I hope the Oilers draft players with skill and also a hope of a full strong NHL game. I also hope the new GM and coach recognize and encourage those they already have that could be like that.

    I don’t think any team can outscore not being good at the hard parts of the game, al least over time and in a series.

    McLellan and Hitch got that part right, PC didn’t give them much to work with. Still something didn’t seem to jive. Maybe too focused on the details?

  64. Scungilli Slushy says:

    In JPs draft many thought he’d be the better player in 5 years over Laine. I think there is a great player in JP even if not an offensive juggernaut. He is going to be a project, but the upside remains and the effort worth it.

    To me it hinges on his health. If the projected outcome with his hips is iffy I’d pump and dump. Big fast right shot young wingers can be valuable if the team values it’s own assets and has enough patience. If he should fully recover make it work.

  65. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Westchester Oil: Biggest mistake, regardless of the consensus, was drafting him at #4. As per LT’s post the other day, I believe JP’s NHLE was only 21. The masses were fooled by the small sample size of the World Juniors that year when he played with Laine.

    – 3rd line Lucic-RNH-Pool, I have no doubt that is at least saw off competition…Let RNH rehabilitate both, or Jar-RNH-Pool

    – Pool puts up 3rd line points at least if he is slotted with skill. Accept the growing pains and let hm play with consistent linemates on 3rd line: it’s so obvious.

    – High drafted 20 year old, on 3rd pairing skill line, for less than $1.75MM: what’s wrong with that

  66. Wilde says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    This is entirely alien to me.

    The dire extent to which anybody can prove that the Oilers have a criminal lack of offense, it’s both infinitely harder and simply unlikely that they somehow lack two-way play /more/.

    Which is to say, since the Oilers were by far the worst team in the league in secondary scoring, AND their two-way play is somehow worse than that, how was any team worse than them in totality? How were six?

  67. Bag of Pucks says:

    Westchester Oil: Biggest mistake, regardless of the consensus, was drafting him at #4. As per LT’s post the other day, I believe JP’s NHLE was only 21. The masses were fooled by the small sample size of the World Juniors that year when he played with Laine.

    Nothing entices scouts more than a big boy with wheels on a heater.

    My sense is there is a player there albeit one without lottery pick upside.

    I think a more offensively oriented coach like a Sullivan or Gallant would be getting more out of him by now. Just let him freelance wirh a buttoned down C. Once he gets sone consistent production and confidence, then you add defensive structure to his game.

    NHL scouts across the board underrate the importance of intelligence imo. Not all NHL players are smart, but almost all of the elite ones are. And being a mean bastard doesn’t hurt either.

  68. YKOil says:

    Wilde:
    Scungilli Slushy,
    Which is to say, since the Oilers were by far the worst team in the league in secondary scoring, AND their two-way play is somehow worse than that, how was any team worse than them in totality? How were six?

    Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl

  69. Turning Tikkanese says:

    Ben:
    An important consideration for the GM hire is who else they can bring with them. It’s the one area where I think extensive NHL experience would be really helpful. Not sure if McCrimmon or Hunter would have access to the same big-league talent pool in scouting, analytics, etc. as a Verbeek would.

    Both Hunter and McCrimmon have deep connections to Misha Donskov in Vegas. For either one, I think it would be a MUST to bring him aboard as AGM. He has already shown he deserves an AGM shot and should be outstanding based on his work with Vegas, and in the long run may also represent an inspired choice as an eventual successor in a GM role down the line. Whichever of them can get Misha D on board would be my preference.

  70. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He would have to be assigned there out of camp and clear waivers then.

    Can’t “start” him in the AHL without clearing waivers.

    I am fairly certain you do not need to assign him through waivers. There are no waivers in the Summer and he can be assigned right away. It’s a new league year.

    They have until 12 days before the season starts to do this, otherwise, yes, he’d have to be placed on waivers.

  71. slopitch says:

    slopitch,

    In general though i think the focus needs to be adding without subtracting. This move i do think makes the team better so any move that does that you look at. The oilers are in a similar position to Calgary in 2016. Good core, little secondary help.

    1) nail the draft (Tkachuk)
    2) win a trade (Hamilton deal)

    Thats about it. Im not sure Calgary would redo the Hamonic deal but the key is that Hamonic had term. Acquiring Barrie would be closer to Ottawa trading for Duchene. Youd have to be sure Barrie signs a reasonable deal.

    If the oilers could add Kadri without losing a current contributing asset and if they nail the #8 pick i think they are contending in 2 years. Especially if JP or KY can flip the switch on their development. Just gotta break even with 97 off the ice.

  72. flyfish1168 says:

    I’m surprised Mike Futa is not still in the running. I thought his resume article of him in the EJ was very encouraging.
    https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/add-one-more-name-to-the-list-of-top-contenders-for-the-edmonton-oilers-general-manager-job-the-l-a-kings-mike-futa

  73. Gerta Rauss says:

    Professor Q,

    Sorry Prof-it doesn’t work that way

    JP has to clear waivers next year

  74. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    This is entirely alien to me.

    The dire extent to which anybody can prove that the Oilers have a criminal lack of offense, it’s both infinitely harder and simply unlikely that they somehow lack two-way play /more/.

    Which is to say, since the Oilers were by far the worst team in the league in secondary scoring, AND their two-way play is somehow worse than that, how was any team worse than them in totality? How were six?

    That’s the power of McDavid and Drai. I also believe our defence is underrated. Although it’s not great by any stretch, there are a bunch of teams with even worse defence. Our bottom nine forwards are the worst in the league and I don’t think it’s even close. Teams like Dallas and Colorado have very meh bottom nine forwards, but they look like superstars compared to ours. This might be a bit of hyperbole, but if our AHL team played our NHL team, without the big three, the outcome could go either way.

  75. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q: I am fairly certain you do not need to assign him through waivers. There are no waivers in the Summer and he can be assigned right away. It’s a new league year.

    They have until 12 days before the season starts to do this, otherwise, yes, he’d have to be placed on waivers.

    This just isn’t right.

    I’ll try to dig up the CBA section

    You can’t hide waiver eligible players in the AHL by “assigning them before the season”

    The player has a NHL contract.

  76. Rube Foster says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – 3rd line Lucic-RNH-Pool,I have no doubt that is at least saw off competition…Let RNH rehabilitate both, or Jar-RNH-Pool

    – Pool puts up 3rd line points at least if he is slotted with skill.Accept the growing pains and let hm play with consistent linemates on 3rd line: it’s so obvious.

    – High drafted 20 year old, on 3rd pairing skill line, for less than $1.75MM: what’s wrong with that

    Hard NO to Lucic. He is an offensive black hole and we need secondary scoring when Connor is resting his one piece boots.

    Hell YEAH to Jesse for all the reasons you mention.

  77. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0: This just isn’t right.

    I’ll try to dig up the CBA section

    You can’t hide waiver eligible players in the AHL by “assigning them before the season”

    The player has a NHL contract.

    https://www.litterboxcats.com/2013/10/7/4792782/nhl-waiver-waivers-cba-florida-panthers

    “How the system works

    The waiver list

    Starting twelve days before the start of the season and ending on the day of each team’s final game, teams wishing to loan players on their active rosters to any other league must first place the player on waivers. Every day at noon Eastern Time, the league publishes the list of players on waivers. For a 24 hour period following publication of the list, players on waivers cannot be loaned or traded. All other teams in the league are eligible to claim any player on waivers. If no team places a claim, then the team can loan the player to another league.

    There are, of course, limitations. The only league recognized by the NHL is the AHL. Any player passing through waivers can be loaned to any AHL team. No player can be loaned to any other league without his permission, except that players in the entry-level system (initial contracts) can be loaned to any ECHL team provided he’s paid his AHL salary.”

  78. JOFA says:

    Rube Foster: Hard NO to Lucic. He is an offensive black hole and we need secondary scoring when Connor is resting his one piece boots.

    Hell YEAH to Jesse for all the reasons you mention.

    Agreed. Nuge won’t be signing a new contract with Lucic as his winger. The Oilers need to surround him with talent or he walks. If they give him Lucic, his agent will promptly notify management to start considering trade options.

  79. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q: https://www.litterboxcats.com/2013/10/7/4792782/nhl-waiver-waivers-cba-florida-panthers

    “How the system works


    The waiver list

    Starting twelve days before the start of the season and ending on the day of each team’s final game, teams wishing to loan players on their active rosters to any other league must first place the player on waivers. Every day at noon Eastern Time, the league publishes the list of players on waivers. For a 24 hour period following publication of the list, players on waivers cannot be loaned or traded. All other teams in the league are eligible to claim any player on waivers. If no team places a claim, then the team can loan the player to another league.

    There are, of course, limitations. The only league recognized by the NHL is the AHL. Any player passing through waivers can be loaned to any AHL team. No player can be loaned to any other league without his permission, except that players in the entry-level system (initial contracts) can be loaned to any ECHL team provided he’s paid his AHL salary.”

    Yeah, that’s this section:

    13.2 The “Playing Season Waiver Period” shall begin on the twelfth (12th) day prior to the
    start of the Regular Season and end on the day following the last day of a Club’s Playing Season.
    Subject to the provisions of this Article, the rights to the services of a Player may be Loaned to a
    club of another league, upon fulfillment of the following conditions, except when elsewhere
    expressly prohibited:

    The 12th day before the regular season is when players with NHL contracts can be loaned to AHL teams.

    You can’t loan a player with a NHL contract to a AHL before the 12 days.

  80. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Yeah, that’s this section:

    13.2 The “Playing Season Waiver Period” shall begin on the twelfth (12th) day prior to the
    start of the Regular Season and end on the day following the last day of a Club’s Playing Season.
    Subject to the provisions of this Article, the rights to the services of a Player may be Loaned to a
    club of another league, upon fulfillment of the following conditions, except when elsewhere
    expressly prohibited:

    The 12th day before the regular season is when players with NHL contracts can be loaned to AHL teams.

    You can’t loan a player with a NHL contract to a AHL before the 12 days.

    This is why when the 12th day arrives you see a flood of players being loaned to AHL teams (being cut from main camp)

    They can’t be assigned there before that.

  81. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: This is why when the 12th day arrives you see a flood of players being loaned to AHL teams (being cut from main camp)

    They can’t be assigned there before that.

    Its the first thing in the waiver section:

    13.1 A Club shall not dispose of the services of any Player in which it has a proprietary
    interest by Loan to a club of another league without first having complied with the provisions of
    this Article. The Waivers that are recognized by this Agreement are Regular Waivers and
    Unconditional Waivers.

  82. Oilman99 says:

    slopitch:
    Its getting very hard for the oil to pass on cole caufield..

    The big picture shows that size is an important factor come playoff time when the game completely changes,as displayed by Johnie Hockey, and the smaller players on the Lightning who became invisible.

  83. Oilman99 says:

    Optimism is like heroin:
    I keep seeing Larsson as a player that might be an option to trade.The thought of going into next year with maybe Russel, Benning and Bouchard as the RD depth makes my bowels quiver

    Larsson should not be in the conversation before players like Russell and Benning are moved.

  84. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oilman99: The big picture shows that size is an important factor come playoff time when the game completely changes,as displayed by Johnie Hockey, and the smaller players on the Lightning who became invisible.

    Brad Marchand is 5’9″

  85. Wilde says:

    YKOil: Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl

    Yes, but even with them the Oilers rank worse in scoring goals than they do in preventing them

    JimmyV1965,

    We’re missing it

    What I’m trying to say is that since it’s not possible for them to be more deficient (relative to the NHL) in half of the game (goal generation) with 97 off, there is no way that they could be worse at the other half without being by far the worst team in the league

    Or, at least the only way that would be possible would be to combine bonkers goaltending with said poor defense

    My emotional recollection is that the goaltending let down the D this year. I don’t know if that’s true or to what extent it is, but that’s my feelsy take. On top of that, I don’t think the possession woes wee due to deficient checking, but an inability to make plays with possession to extend it, and a reluctance to spend it economically.

    Vasili Podkolzin having a poor tournament sucks so much. He was going to be one of the guys that bumped better players down one slot closer to the Oiler’s pick. Pour one out for the Russian, and for us.

  86. Georgexs says:

    The Leafs cap situation is a puzzler.

    According to CF, they’ll have $9M in space if the cap goes to $83M next season.

    Marner alone will get over $10M. They still have to sign Kapanen and Jonsson and find two other defensemen to replace Hainsey and Gardiner.

    If Kadri gets moved straight up, it has to be for prospects or picks, not active players. The Leafs can’t take salary back.

    It’s interesting that Matthews doesn’t have an NMC or NTC. Neither does Ekman-Larsson in Arizona.

    The Leafs get a franchise defenseman and save almost $4M against the cap. The Coyotes get their franchise 1C, a hometown hero, CMD-Lite.

    Also, the Coyotes have over $30M tied up in their defensemen next season and just $24M for their forwards. That’s way too lopsided. Nashville has all of their defensemen returning and they’re only looking at a D cap hit of $26.5M next year.

    The Leafs are lopsided the other way next season. Already committed to $46M for their forwards and just $15M for their defensemen.

    But, even with the trade, the Leafs cap needs work. Dubas has a lot of hype. What he doesn’t have is a lot of room. Good. We’ll get to see the kind of moves the other half makes coming off of a disappointing season.

    As for the Kadri love, it’s unreasonable. He’s not worth Larsson. By a long shot. Even if Kadri didn’t manage to take himself and his team out of two consecutive playoff series.

    – He’s a career 0.64 PPG player.

    – He’s a 3C who plays both special teams

    – His top-6 days aren’t ahead of him.

    – Who does he play with? Who does he help us beat in the WC?

    – We picked up Lucic at 28, when he was a 0.61 PPG player, if I remember correctly.

    – Kadri turns 29 in October

    Meanwhile, Larsson is our 1RD. We would be giving Toronto our soon to be 27-year-old 1RD for their soon to be 29-year-old 3C. Straight up.

    At least when we got Larsson to play 1RD, we gave up our 1LW. When our LW was 24 going on 25.

    Kadri for Larsson, while it helps the Leafs immensely, is a horrible, horrible, horrible echoing through the ages deal for us. We’ve done enough of those. Charity doesn’t have to begin at home. You offer Dubas peanuts for Kadri. Because that’s all Dubas can afford. You don’t offer Larsson.

  87. JimmyV1965 says:

    JOFA: Agreed. Nuge won’t be signing a new contract with Lucic as his winger. The Oilers need to surround him with talent or he walks. If they give him Lucic, his agent will promptly notify management to start considering trade options.

    I shudder to think of the reaction if RNH starts the season with Lucic on his wing. I’m sure his frustration level would be nearing the boiling point.

  88. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Dylan Cozens might be ideal fit for Oilers at No. 8 overall in the 2019 draft

    https://theathletic.com/948498/2019/04/27/dylan-cozens-might-be-ideal-fit-for-oilers-at-no-8-overall-in-the-2019-draft/

  89. Reja says:

    Georgexs:
    The Leafs cap situation is a puzzler.

    According to CF, they’ll have $9M in space if the cap goes to $83M next season.

    Marner alone will get over $10M. They still have to sign Kapanen and Jonsson and find two other defensemen to replace Hainsey and Gardiner.

    If Kadri gets moved straight up, it has to be for prospects or picks, not active players. The Leafs can’t take salary back.

    It’s interesting that Matthews doesn’t have an NMC or NTC. Neither does Ekman-Larsson in Arizona.

    The Leafs get a franchise defenseman and save almost $4M against the cap. The Coyotes get their franchise 1C, a hometown hero, CMD-Lite.

    Also, the Coyotes have over $30M tied up in their defensemen next season and just $24M for their forwards. That’s way too lopsided. Nashville has all of their defensemen returning and they’re only looking at a D cap hit of $26.5M next year.

    The Leafs are lopsided the other way next season. Already committed to $46M for their forwards and just $15M for their defensemen.

    But, even with the trade, the Leafs cap needs work. Dubas has a lot of hype. What he doesn’t have is a lot of room. Good. We’ll get to see the kind of moves the other half makes coming off of a disappointing season.

    As for the Kadri love, it’s unreasonable. He’s not worth Larsson. By a long shot. Even if Kadri didn’t manage to take himself and his team out of two consecutive playoff series.

    – He’s a career 0.64 PPG player.

    – He’s a 3C who plays both special teams

    – His top-6 days aren’t ahead of him.

    – Who does he play with? Who does he help us beat in the WC?

    – We picked up Lucic at 28, when he was a 0.61 PPG player, if I remember correctly.

    – Kadri turns 29 in October

    Meanwhile, Larsson is our 1RD. We would be giving Toronto our soon to be 27-year-old 1RD for their soon to be 29-year-old 3C. Straight up.

    At least when we got Larsson to play 1RD, we gave up our 1LW. When our LW was 24 going on 25.

    Kadri for Larsson, while it helps the Leafs immensely, is a horrible, horrible, horrible echoing through the ages deal for us. We’ve done enough of those. Charity doesn’t have to begin at home. You offer Dubas peanuts for Kadri. Because that’s all Dubas can afford. You don’t offer Larsson.

    I agree 100 percent cant see our new GM puting his ass on the line before he even starts by making that trade.

  90. JimmyV1965 says:

    Georgexs:
    The Leafs cap situation is a puzzler.

    According to CF, they’ll have $9M in space if the cap goes to $83M next season.

    Marner alone will get over $10M. They still have to sign Kapanen and Jonsson and find two other defensemen to replace Hainsey and Gardiner.

    If Kadri gets moved straight up, it has to be for prospects or picks, not active players. The Leafs can’t take salary back.

    It’s interesting that Matthews doesn’t have an NMC or NTC. Neither does Ekman-Larsson in Arizona.

    The Leafs get a franchise defenseman and save almost $4M against the cap. The Coyotes get their franchise 1C, a hometown hero, CMD-Lite.

    Also, the Coyotes have over $30M tied up in their defensemen next season and just $24M for their forwards. That’s way too lopsided. Nashville has all of their defensemen returning and they’re only looking at a D cap hit of $26.5M next year.

    The Leafs are lopsided the other way next season. Already committed to $46M for their forwards and just $15M for their defensemen.

    But, even with the trade, the Leafs cap needs work. Dubas has a lot of hype. What he doesn’t have is a lot of room. Good. We’ll get to see the kind of moves the other half makes coming off of a disappointing season.

    As for the Kadri love, it’s unreasonable. He’s not worth Larsson. By a long shot. Even if Kadri didn’t manage to take himself and his team out of two consecutive playoff series.

    – He’s a career 0.64 PPG player.

    – He’s a 3C who plays both special teams

    – His top-6 days aren’t ahead of him.

    – Who does he play with? Who does he help us beat in the WC?

    – We picked up Lucic at 28, when he was a 0.61 PPG player, if I remember correctly.

    – Kadri turns 29 in October

    Meanwhile, Larsson is our 1RD. We would be giving Toronto our soon to be 27-year-old 1RD for their soon to be 29-year-old 3C. Straight up.

    At least when we got Larsson to play 1RD, we gave up our 1LW. When our LW was 24 going on 25.

    Kadri for Larsson, while it helps the Leafs immensely, is a horrible, horrible, horrible echoing through the ages deal for us. We’ve done enough of those. Charity doesn’t have to begin at home. You offer Dubas peanuts for Kadri. Because that’s all Dubas can afford. You don’t offer Larsson.

    Excellent, excellent post. No way I trade Larsson for Kadri. Having said that, I really don’t see how the Leafs can trade Kadri. He’s still an effective player and with a $4.5 mill cap for the following three years, he’s one of two players on the team with a value contract. It will almost certainly be Nylander who gets moved, and possibly Mathews or Marner. Both those players can be moved for a stud dman with a lower cap. We all knew it at the time and it was discussed extensively, but signing Tavares really crippled the team’s cap.

  91. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – 3rd line Lucic-RNH-Pool,I have no doubt that is at least saw off competition…Let RNH rehabilitate both, or Jar-RNH-Pool

    – Pool puts up 3rd line points at least if he is slotted with skill.Accept the growing pains and let hm play with consistent linemates on 3rd line: it’s so obvious.

    – High drafted 20 year old, on 3rd pairing skill line, for less than $1.75MM: what’s wrong with that

    +1 Give Puljujarvi his own line. Khaira, Nugent-Hopkins, Puljujarvi as the 3rd line should just be pencilled in for 80 games.

  92. Georgexs says:

    “Do you remember when the Oilers sent down Jesse Puljujarvi and then recalled him just a few days later?”

    I do.

    Here’s what new coach had to say:

    “I don’t want to say it’s 100 per cent on me, but it’s 90. I asked Peter.”

    and

    “I’ve had a lot of success, quite frankly, taking players like Jesse and having quick turns. And probably some days he’s going to get tired of my voice because it’s going to be during practice like it was today, and he caught himself, and away he goes. But when you see something that good and that much, as a coach you want to take responsibility for the growth of the player. You don’t want to sit there and watch him play in the American Hockey League and think, ‘Ah, he’s going to score a few goals and that’s going to fix everything. Or he’s going to do this.’ There’s elements of is game, it doesn’t matter what league he’s playing in, have to get better and I want that responsibility because the top end is awful, awful high and I want to work with that.”

    I want to say something snarky here but then I remember that a Canadian team hasn’t won the Stanley Cup in 26 years or something like that. Given the number of Canadian teams in the League, that outcome is quite unlikely to have occurred by randomness alone.

    I wonder what it is: too much pressure because Canadian fans always turn out or no real pressure because Canadian fans always turn out?

  93. godot10 says:

    McLellan had Puljujarvi for 2.5 years, and couldn’t figure out he was playing through pain along the boards due to a congenital hip defect. Hitchcock figured it out in a couple of months.

    One coach communicates with his players. The other really doesn’t.

  94. godot10 says:

    Georgexs:

    I wonder what it is: too much pressure because Canadian fans always turn out or no real pressure because Canadian fans always turn out?

    Canadian teams won 11 out of 15 Cups between 1976 and 1990. Do a count between 1955 and 1990.

  95. slopitch says:

    godot10,

    Either or is fine by me really. Im a fan. Draft and cheer 🙂

  96. slopitch says:

    Oilman99: The big picture shows that size is an important factor come playoff time when the game completely changes,as displayed by Johnie Hockey, and the smaller players on the Lightning who became invisible.

    Hmm… Eberle, Barzal, Panarin, Marchand are doing fine. Im not gonna argue size is irrelevant but Id be careful judging Gaudreau or Tampa on 5 playoff games. Brayden Point will be fine too. Jmo.

  97. Lowetide says:

    The answer is that you should have a combination of size and speed throughout the lineup. Small, skill players have value and big men who can skate and win battles along the wall and pass and shoot have value. There are “Marchand” outliers who are small but play big, but the bottom line is elements of many skill sets are required for each line. Oilers have careened forever, and I expect a group of fast small guys. Size isn’t bad, it just has to be attached to skill.

  98. SwedishPoster says:

    Lowetide:
    The answer is that you should have a combination of size and speed throughout the lineup. Small, skill players have value and big men who can skate and win battles along the wall and pass and shoot have value. There are “Marchand” outliers who are small but play big, but the bottom line is elements of many skill sets are required for each line. Oilers have careened forever, and I expect a group of fast small guys. Size isn’t bad, it just has to be attached to skill.

    There’s this really smart guy who always says “get good players, keep good players”. I think he’s on to something.

  99. jtblack says:

    Lowetide:
    For The Athletic: Dylan Cozens might be ideal fit for Oilers at No. 8 overall in the 2019 draft

    https://theathletic.com/948498/2019/04/27/dylan-cozens-might-be-ideal-fit-for-oilers-at-no-8-overall-in-the-2019-draft/

    Good Article.

    Seen him a lot over the last 2 years. He’s a game rooster. Plays well in big games. I would be over the Moon if he fell to #8!!

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    In a perfect world Puljujarvi stays down in Bake, establishes chemistry with Benson and voila two ready made wingers to flank RNH.

    Yes, the AHL next year would indeed be ideal for Jesse but there is essentially zero chance of it happening with his waiver exemption gone (due to playing 11 games as an 18 year old and reducing the number of required years from 5 to 3).

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    Sekera Russell and Benning are all occupying spots that are needed to break in young D.We are probably ok for next year but the following year we need to start moving these guys.They won’t get re-signed on this team (except for maybe Benning if he takes a step forward) and we won’t risk losing the younger guys on waivers.

    Yes, but, as you state, in a year – we don’t need to make the moves to make room at this point as, at this point, they are still prospects needing to prove they are NHL players – they will get their NHL at bats this year – teams use 10 plus d-men – there will be ice for them all through the year.

    The starting 6 in October 2020 should look very different than 2018, that’s for sure.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q: Then keep him down there until the offseason.

    He can’t go without waivers in Sept/October.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    An important part of NHL hockey is capably replacing injuries.

    Last year injuries to Klefbom and Russell, might of cost us a play-off spot.

    In 2019-20 the call up options are reasonable 20 game NHLers

    Yes, the fact that there could be a good 5 NHL-ready d-men waiting for their chance next year provides some injury cover that the org hasn’t had in a long time.

    The injuries will happen. Teams use 10 plus d-men in a season. There is no need to trade incumbents to “make room” – these kids will get their NHL ice this year.

  104. Numenius says:

    Lowetide:
    For The Athletic: Dylan Cozens might be ideal fit for Oilers at No. 8 overall in the 2019 draft

    https://theathletic.com/948498/2019/04/27/dylan-cozens-might-be-ideal-fit-for-oilers-at-no-8-overall-in-the-2019-draft/

    I’d love to get Cozens at 8. He reminds me of Sean Monahan at the same age, whom I also was really hoping would fall to the oil.

  105. YKOil says:

    Pulled this post from an earlier thread (updated):

    Leafs have to look at re-signing Marner, Kapanen, Johnsson and re-signing or replacing Gardiner and Hainsey.

    At $83.0m Cap they will have some $8.0m Cap with which to do that. Adjustments comprise:

    – $3.7m Cap out per bonuses due Matthews and Marner and
    – $5.3m in Cap coming back once they trade Horton.

    Feel free to correct me re: bonus money. $9.6m in Cap space available.

    MARNER: barring a VERY team friendly bridge, slot in $9.0m to $10.5m on a 5 to 8 year contract.

    Cap available = $0.6m to -$0.9m

    KAPANEN/JOHNSSON: they will hard-ball one of Kapanen/Johnsson and trade the other one, the survivor gets around $3m/yr

    Cap available = -$2.4m to -$3.9m

    MARINCIN/OZHIGANOV: Marincin may be back as a stop-gap, though I expect not, and I am hearing Ozhiganov will return to the KHL; regardless, expect one d-man at $1.5m a year.

    Cap available = -$3.9 to -$5.4m

    HYMAN/BROWN: One of Hyman ($2.25m) or Brown ($2.1m) will be traded, lets say Brown because we have heard his name. We will assume the replacement is already in the numbers.

    Cap available = -$1.8 to -$3.3m

    RESULT: Forward group has diminished slightly – two young veterans being replaced by replacement level players – and Defence is down two mainstays. Holes on defense (Gardiner and Hainsey) have yet to be addressed and even using replacements increases the Cap issue.

    That is it for easy moves. Any improvements on defense have to be done via moving dollars at forward. Expect that they will work like mad to move:

    – Zaitsev
    – of Kadri or Marleau
    – Nylander

    Zaitsev will be very hard to move barring some other owner/GM being in love with him, they may pull it off but there would be a fair amount of salary retained. I cannot see moving this contract.

    Marleau’s contract is very trade-friendly after a signing bonus is paid, it will get them out of Cap trouble and give them some pocket cash (+$4.45m to +$2.95m).

    If I am Toronto I am chatting up Ottawa. Horton, Marleau (post-sb) and a mid-round pick for Demelo and a later-round pick. Ottawa would love the free Cap from Horton and can trade Marleau at the deadline for a 2nd-rounder (methinks). Toronto gets out of Cap hell and gets a RHD for $900k. Wins all-around. I suspect they then try to bring up Sandin.

    Nylander represents their one chance to get an impact d-man so they will be shopping Nylander all over the place. Unknown how that will end.

    FINAL NOTES: one of Kapanen/Jonsson is gone and so is one of Hyman/Brown and it will STILL take moving one of Kadri/Marleau/Nylander for minimal salary back to even get this team OUT of Cap trouble, let alone add an impact d-men.

    Remember, they need at least two d-men even if you assume Sandin takes the spot(s) filled by Marinsin/Ozhiginov.

    Marleau represents their one great hope at getting out of Cap hell without damaging the roster too much. Even then, TO will be losing 3 productive regulars off their forward ranks this year – that is a pretty big hit imo.

    Makes Edmonton’s position look pretty good. Russell’s contract is far easier to move than Zaitsev’s, for example, and if Edmonton retained enough salary I could see Lucic’s contract being easier to move as well (as crazy as that sounds).

  106. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, but, as you state, in a year – we don’t need to make the moves to make room at this point as, at this point, they are still prospects needing to prove they are NHL players – they will get their NHL at bats this year – teams use 10 plus d-men – there will be ice for them all through the year.

    The starting 6 in October 2020 should look very different than 2018, that’s for sure.

    The 19 year-old D on Dallas doesn’t look out of place in fact he looks great same with Makar in Colorado.If Bouchard is ready to play 3rd pairing soft minutes poweplay QB He instantly makes our powerplay top 5 he we be on the opening day lineup..Obtain a couple half-ass wingers that can also kill penalties get someone that can win a Fricking faceoff when it matters besides Leon even with Kos playing average we are a dangerous playoff team we’re seeing it first hand this playoff anybody can win just get in.

  107. Jaxon says:

    Here is my early attempt at a 1st round mock draft if I was in charge of every team:
    1. NJD – Kakko
    2. NYR – Hughes
    3. CHI – Cozens
    4. COL – Turcotte
    5. LAK – Byram
    6. DET – Broberg
    7. BUF – Podkolzin
    8. EDM – Kaliyev
    9. ANA – Lavoie
    10. VAN – Soderstrom
    11. PHI – Caufield
    12. MIN – Dach
    13. FLA – Harley
    14. ARI – Pelletier
    15. MTL – York
    16. COL – Tomasino
    17. VGK – Boldy
    18. DAL – Zegras
    19. OTT – Krebs
    20. ANA – Brink
    21. CAR – McMichael
    22. NYR – Pelletier
    23. PIT – Heinola
    24. NSH – Nick Robertson
    25. LAK – Newhook
    26. CGY – Tracey
    27. TBL – Bjornfot
    28. BUF – Knight
    29. NYI – Seider
    30. WSH – Matt Robertson
    31. BOS – Leason

    I leaned heavily on my Projected 5-on-5 Primary Points tables and lifted some up for scoring big in the playoffs or being fast snipers. I had EDM drafting Podkolzin at first and switched to Lavoie as I really don’t know how much offense the Russian will bring over and Lavoie isn’t higher than #9 on any list yet. We’ve been burnt by low scoring Euro players before, so I was less than eager to go there again. Maybe Caufield should have been the EDM pick with his current play but no scouting list had him higher than 10. I tried to keep each player within the range that published scouts have them so if one scout had them at #6 and another had them at #27 that is the range I allowed myself to put them. In the end I moved Podkolzin up to BUF and left Kaliyev for Edmonton. I cheated for the home team. Sue me.

    I really punished Boldy, Zegras and Krebs based on their stats. Krebs because he didn’t score many primary points at 5v5, and Boldy and Zegras because I really can’t get a handle on them and if they’re being zoomed by their linemates. Also their TOI is low enough that it concerns me. In my tables (15 years of North American draftees) I’ve found that high scoring players with low minutes are often players that flame out at higher levels or are inconsistent scorers in the NHL. They either never make it or have one good year and are then relegated to being a fringe top 6 player or even wind up in the AHL. The USNDP wreaked havoc on my models though so I don’t know what to make of them. Hughes and Turcotte, and to a lesser extant Caufield have good enoug numbers that I’ve left them higher up.

    EDIT: Reviewing this list, The Devils, Rangers, Ducks, Kings, Blackhawks, Sabres, and Avalanche all fair very well.
    NJD – Kakko (I think he’ll be the best after 5 years)
    NYR – Hughes, Pelletier – a great rebuild is underway in NYR with two speedy intelligent players.
    CHI – Cozens – power forward
    COL – Turcotte, Tomasino – two small, speedy, creative players #1 & #2 at Projected 5v5P1 of players who met the TOI threshold. Adding them to MacKinnon, Rantanen, and Landeskog is pretty scary.
    LAK – Byram, Newhook – great D and a bit of an unknown from the BCHL
    ANA – Lavoie, Brink – they get two of my favourite sleepers. Lavoie is having a playoff that ranks him above Crosby, Marchand, MacKinnon, Drouin, Huberdeau, Ehlers. Brink outperformed many USNDP players ranked higher without the help of 9 top scoring forwards on his team.
    BUF – Podkolzin, Knight – one of the best scouted forwards and the top goalie is a great addition to their team with Dahlin and Eichel and others.

  108. Professor Q says:

    Reja: The 19 year-old D on Dallas doesn’t look out of place in fact he looks great same with Makar in Colorado.If Bouchard is ready to play 3rd pairing soft minutes poweplay QB He instantly makes our powerplay top 5 he we be on the opening day lineup..Obtain a couple half-ass wingers that can also kill penalties get someone that can win a Fricking faceoff when it matters besides Leon even with Kos playing average we are a dangerous playoff team we’re seeing it first hand this playoff anybody can win just get in.

    Yep. And not just the 2 D in Dallas and the 1 in Colorado, but 1 in Arizona, 2 in Columbus, 1 in Buffalo, and a few others.

    Bouchard can be the next version of them all, and he could be worse or better, too.

    I’m thinking he’ll be good.

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    Georgexs:

    It’s interesting that Matthews doesn’t have an NMC or NTC. Neither does Ekman-Larsson in Arizona.

    Not interesting as trade protection is not available for them currently. NTCs and NMCs can only be assigned to “UFA years” of contracts – years that would be RFA years cannot have trade protection.

    If you look at McDavid’s contract, there is no trade protection for the first number of years, the trade protection kicks in when the UFA years start.

    Matthews’ contract does not buy any UFA years, hence no trade protection is available. If you look at OEL’s new contract that is about to kick in, its got full trade protection.

  110. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar: He can’t go without waivers in Sept/October.

    This has already been discussed thoroughly.

  111. Reja says:

    Professor Q: Yep. And not just the 2 D in Dallas and the 1 in Colorado, but 1 in Arizona, 2 in Columbus, 1 in Buffalo, and a few others.

    Bouchard can be the next version of them all, and he could be worse or better, too.

    I’m thinking he’ll be good.

    We need to dump Russell with no retention easier said than done we need D that can pass the puck up ice to the fastest player on 2 skates and Leon’s no slouch either can’t wait to see Bouchard spring Mcdavid or Leon for countless Breakaways.

  112. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, the AHL next year would indeed be ideal for Jesse but there is essentially zero chance of it happening with his waiver exemption gone (due to playing 11 games as an 18 year old and reducing the number of required years from 5 to 3).

    Yes, my post was essentially expanding on the missed opportunity of last season which LT’s post intro had recalled.

  113. Philosophil says:

    Jaxon,

    Jaxon, interesting, informed take. you have the courage of your convictions, (similar to LT’s take on Craig Button). I know it’s objective b/c Lavoie is 9 to Anaheim, not 8 to Edm.

    Kaliyev is a boom or bust prospect imo. Stats show a strong players but not consistent effort, and the Edmonton/Russian factor is top of mind (although, given JP’s development, maybe its just the Edm Oilers factor).

    Based on your recent info and posts, i would consider Lavoie. Are the playoffs just a heater? time will tell, the drafting team is taking on the risk to find out.

    I suggest keeping your post handy for reference in 2 and 5 years, will be very interesting to compare.

    thanks for the interesting, and well researched, contrarian views.

  114. ArmchairGM says:

    Wilde: Yes, but even with them the Oilers rank worse in scoring goals than they do in preventing them

    JimmyV1965,

    We’re missing it

    What I’m trying to say is that since it’s not possible for them to be more deficient (relative to the NHL) in half of the game (goal generation) with 97 off, there is no way that they could be worse at the other half without being by far the worst team in the league

    Or, at least the only way that would be possible would be to combine bonkers goaltending with said poor defense

    My emotional recollection is that the goaltending let down the D this year. I don’t know if that’s true or to what extent it is, but that’s my feelsy take. On top of that, I don’t think the possession woes wee due to deficient checking, but an inability to make plays with possession to extend it, and a reluctance to spend it economically.

    Vasili Podkolzin having a poor tournament sucks so much. He was going to be one of the guys that bumped better players down one slot closer to the Oiler’s pick. Pour one out for the Russian, and for us.

    Maybe he comes up big in the gold medal game. But, I’m drinking already just in case.

    As an aside, gas anyone tried Collingwood’s Canadian whiskey? I’m finding it particularly smooth and enjoyable this evening.

  115. YKOil says:

    Jaxon,

    Can live with Kaliyev

    REALLY hoping Zegras, Caufield, Krebs, Dach, Podkolzin go before we pick. Cozens would be a great pick.

    Expecting Podkolzin to fall. Shaping up to be a dramatic first round after Hughes, Kakko, Byram.

  116. Georgexs says:

    OriginalPouzar: Not interesting as trade protection is not available for them currently.NTCs and NMCs can only be assigned to “UFA years” of contracts – years that would be RFA years cannot have trade protection.

    If you look at McDavid’s contract, there is no trade protection for the first number of years, the trade protection kicks in when the UFA years start.

    Matthews’ contract does not buy any UFA years, hence no trade protection is available. If you look at OEL’s new contract that is about to kick in, its got full trade protection.

    Did not know that. Thanks.

  117. Georgexs says:

    YKOil,

    Helpful. Thanks.

  118. ArmchairGM says:

    Georgexs: If Kadri gets moved straight up, it has to be for prospects or picks, not active players. The Leafs can’t take salary back.

    This is why the oft-proposed Benning for Brown trade won’t work. Any Brown trade will most likely involve a single, mid-round pick.

  119. Jaxon says:

    Philosophil:
    Jaxon,

    Jaxon, interesting, informed take. you have the courage of your convictions, (similar to LT’s take on Craig Button). I know it’s objective b/c Lavoie is 9 to Anaheim, not 8 to Edm.

    Kaliyev is a boom or bust prospect imo. Stats show a strong players but not consistent effort, and the Edmonton/Russian factor is top of mind (although, given JP’s development, maybe its just the Edm Oilers factor).

    Based on your recent info and posts, i would consider Lavoie. Are the playoffs just a heater? time will tell, the drafting team is taking on the risk to find out.

    I suggest keeping your post handy for reference in 2 and 5 years, will be very interesting to compare.

    thanks for the interesting, and well researched, contrarian views.

    The Edmonton/Russian factor shouldn’t really be an issue:

    “Born in Uzbekistan, Kaliyev moved to Staten Island, NY, when he was two years old. He grew up in the borough and lived there until he was 13, when the family moved to Michigan to further Arthur’s hockey career.”

  120. Jaxon says:

    Philosophil: Based on your recent info and posts, i would consider Lavoie. Are the playoffs just a heater? time will tell, the drafting team is taking on the risk to find out.

    Lavoie’s age is a bit of a concern. He’s close to the limit of being in last year’s draft although he scored fairly well last season, too. But in his favour, the scouting reports and the highlights I’ve watched show a very fast, tricky player with great vision whose strength is being a sniper. He also seems quite responsible and great at pickpocketing. I’m a huge fan as many have seen on here. He didn’t get a point in their loss last night, but I expect he’ll get back on the score sheet before the series is over. Plus, he’ll have a chance to shine at the Memorial Cup even if they lose as they are hosting this year.

    Also, thanks for the kind words. Glad to hear it.

  121. Professor Q says:

    Jaxon: The Edmonton/Russian factor shouldn’t really be an issue:

    “Born in Uzbekistan, Kaliyev moved to Staten Island, NY, when he was two years old. He grew up in the borough and lived there until he was 13, when the family moved to Michigan to further Arthur’s hockey career.”

    It would be nice to have both Maksimov and Kaliyev.

  122. Reja says:

    Bag of Pucks: Yes, my post was essentially expanding on the missed opportunity of last season which LT’s post intro had recalled.

    Sign Jesse for two years on a friendly contract let him run loose on the third line and let’s finally see what he has Benson Jesse and Marody would be a cheap ass third line can’t play these kid’s 5 minutes a night and expect any results. I see Benson and Bouchard Definitely on the opening day Roster.

  123. Professor Q says:

    ArmchairGM: Maybe he comes up big in the gold medal game. But, I’m drinking already just in case.

    As an aside, gas anyone tried Collingwood’s Canadian whiskey? I’m finding it particularly smooth and enjoyable this evening.

    Yes, their whisky is very nice indeed. I’m not sure if Georgian Bay is coming out with a whisky in the future, but their gin and vodka aren’t too bad. I think might be developing another type, but I’m not sure what it is. Would be nice to have a few competitive companies from around that area.

    I also really like No. 99’s whiskies (yes, I understand the marketing got me, but they are really good, I swear!), and Ungava gin.

  124. Lowetide says:

    New post is up for Game Four.

  125. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack: Good Article.

    Seen him a lot over the last 2 years.He’s a game rooster.Plays well in big games.I would be over the Moon if he fell to #8!!

    A skilled RHC wouldn’t suck.

  126. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack: Good Article.

    Seen him a lot over the last 2 years.He’s a game rooster.Plays well in big games.I would be over the Moon if he fell to #8!!

    A skilled RC wouldn’t suck.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q: This has already been discussed thoroughly.

    I respond to comments in order as I go through them – I’m not going to scroll through 100 plus comments before I respond to something to ensure it hasn’t been responded to. I apologize if you had to read it more than once.

  128. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM: This is why the oft-proposed Benning for Brown trade won’t work. Any Brown trade will most likely involve a single, mid-round pick.

    The Leafs are losing Gardiner and Hainsey on defense. So they can make a Brown Benning trade, or a Kassian and Benning for Kadri trade. They would be losing Brown’s salary, and have Hainsey’s money to pay for part of Marner’s salary.

    Matt Benning is a wonderful tradeable asset for a team looking for a competent cheap 3rd pairing right shot D.

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: This is why the oft-proposed Benning for Brown trade won’t work. Any Brown trade will most likely involve a single, mid-round pick.

    Yes and no – while the Leafs do indeed need to shed cap, at the same time, they do need to add a couple of d-men. The Brown trade could be in the name of acquiring a d-man as opposed to opening up cap space.

    Its the same with the Oilers, the Oilers need to shed cap as well but also need forwards – a Benning disposition could be in the name of a forward acquisition (Brown) as opposed to in the name of opening up cap space (trading him for a pick and gaining almost $2M).

  130. Bag of Pucks says:

    Reja: Sign Jesse for two years on a friendlycontract let him run loose on thethird line and let’s finally see what he has Benson Jesse and Marody would be a cheap ass third line can’tplay these kid’s 5 minutes a night and expect any results. I see Benson and Bouchard Definitely on theopening day Roster.

    Let’s hope his agent appreciates the necessity of a team friendly contract. I could see that being a difficult negotiation even with the Oil holding the obvious hammer.

  131. Bag of Pucks says:

    Professor Q: Yes, their whisky is very nice indeed. I’m not sure if Georgian Bay is coming out with a whisky in the future, but their gin and vodka aren’t too bad. I think might be developing another type, but I’m not sure what it is. Would be nice to have a few competitive companies from around that area.

    I also really like No. 99’s whiskies (yes, I understand the marketing got me, but they are really good, I swear!), and Ungava gin.

    I like 99s whiskey as well. I know some find it generic but it’s smooth and tasty to me. Plus it’s a good buzz!

  132. Reja says:

    Bag of Pucks: Let’s hope his agent appreciates the necessity of a team friendly contract. I could see that being a difficult negotiation even with the Oil holding the obvious hammer.

    I think the new Gm will give him a shit or get off the pot Bennet like contract if his agent doesn’t like it him and Jesse can take their ball and play in Europe.

  133. Glovjuice says:

    Georgexs:
    The Leafs cap situation is a puzzler.

    According to CF, they’ll have $9M in space if the cap goes to $83M next season.

    Marner alone will get over $10M. They still have to sign Kapanen and Jonsson and find two other defensemen to replace Hainsey and Gardiner.

    If Kadri gets moved straight up, it has to be for prospects or picks, not active players. The Leafs can’t take salary back.

    It’s interesting that Matthews doesn’t have an NMC or NTC. Neither does Ekman-Larsson in Arizona.

    The Leafs get a franchise defenseman and save almost $4M against the cap. The Coyotes get their franchise 1C, a hometown hero, CMD-Lite.

    Also, the Coyotes have over $30M tied up in their defensemen next season and just $24M for their forwards. That’s way too lopsided. Nashville has all of their defensemen returning and they’re only looking at a D cap hit of $26.5M next year.

    The Leafs are lopsided the other way next season. Already committed to $46M for their forwards and just $15M for their defensemen.

    But, even with the trade, the Leafs cap needs work. Dubas has a lot of hype. What he doesn’t have is a lot of room. Good. We’ll get to see the kind of moves the other half makes coming off of a disappointing season.

    As for the Kadri love, it’s unreasonable. He’s not worth Larsson. By a long shot. Even if Kadri didn’t manage to take himself and his team out of two consecutive playoff series.

    – He’s a career 0.64 PPG player.

    – He’s a 3C who plays both special teams

    – His top-6 days aren’t ahead of him.

    – Who does he play with? Who does he help us beat in the WC?

    – We picked up Lucic at 28, when he was a 0.61 PPG player, if I remember correctly.

    – Kadri turns 29 in October

    Meanwhile, Larsson is our 1RD. We would be giving Toronto our soon to be 27-year-old 1RD for their soon to be 29-year-old 3C. Straight up.

    At least when we got Larsson to play 1RD, we gave up our 1LW. When our LW was 24 going on 25.

    Kadri for Larsson, while it helps the Leafs immensely, is a horrible, horrible, horrible echoing through the ages deal for us. We’ve done enough of those. Charity doesn’t have to begin at home. You offer Dubas peanuts for Kadri. Because that’s all Dubas can afford. You don’t offer Larsson.

    This is very good stuff.

  134. Jaxon says:

    YKOil:
    Jaxon,

    Can live with Kaliyev

    REALLY hoping Zegras, Caufield, Krebs, Dach, Podkolzin go before we pick.Cozens would be a great pick.

    Expecting Podkolzin to fall.Shaping up to be a dramatic first round after Hughes, Kakko, Byram.

    For sure. I’m not high on some players who are ranked very high. Their stats just really don’t line up to elite players from previous years. Zegras, Boldy, Krebs, Dach, and Podkolzin. While other lower ranked players do like Turcotte, Cozens, Brink, Lavoie, Kaliyev, and Tomasino. It would be great for Edmonton to get any of these guys. The USNDP has me flummoxed… that’s why I wouldn’t touch anyone outside Hughes, Turcotte, and Caufield with a 10-foot pole. I also think Hughes might be a touch overrated while Turcotte is underrated. I don’t think he’s generational, but I’m sure he’s a franchise player. I think. Hughes is 6th on his own team in Projected 5v5 Primary Points. You’d think a generational player would be first, at least on his own team.

  135. Glovjuice says:

    Philosophil:
    Jaxon,

    Jaxon, interesting, informed take. you have the courage of your convictions, (similar to LT’s take on Craig Button). I know it’s objective b/c Lavoie is 9 to Anaheim, not 8 to Edm.

    Kaliyev is a boom or bust prospect imo. Stats show a strong players but not consistent effort, and the Edmonton/Russian factor is top of mind (although, given JP’s development, maybe its just the Edm Oilers factor).

    Based on your recent info and posts, i would consider Lavoie. Are the playoffs just a heater? time will tell, the drafting team is taking on the risk to find out.

    I suggest keeping your post handy for reference in 2 and 5 years, will be very interesting to compare.

    thanks for the interesting, and well researched, contrarian views.

    Agreed, super post by Jax. These draft posts rock. Best time of year. Well, Soiler annual non playoff version.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    That is some sort of national anthem……..

  137. who says:

    Lowetide,

    Georgexs:
    The Leafs cap situation is a puzzler.

    According to CF, they’ll have $9M in space if the cap goes to $83M next season.

    Marner alone will get over $10M. They still have to sign Kapanen and Jonsson and find two other defensemen to replace Hainsey and Gardiner.

    If Kadri gets moved straight up, it has to be for prospects or picks, not active players. The Leafs can’t take salary back.

    It’s interesting that Matthews doesn’t have an NMC or NTC. Neither does Ekman-Larsson in Arizona.

    The Leafs get a franchise defenseman and save almost $4M against the cap. The Coyotes get their franchise 1C, a hometown hero, CMD-Lite.

    Also, the Coyotes have over $30M tied up in their defensemen next season and just $24M for their forwards. That’s way too lopsided. Nashville has all of their defensemen returning and they’re only looking at a D cap hit of $26.5M next year.

    The Leafs are lopsided the other way next season. Already committed to $46M for their forwards and just $15M for their defensemen.

    But, even with the trade, the Leafs cap needs work. Dubas has a lot of hype. What he doesn’t have is a lot of room. Good. We’ll get to see the kind of moves the other half makes coming off of a disappointing season.

    As for the Kadri love, it’s unreasonable. He’s not worth Larsson. By a long shot. Even if Kadri didn’t manage to take himself and his team out of two consecutive playoff series.

    – He’s a career 0.64 PPG player.

    – He’s a 3C who plays both special teams

    – His top-6 days aren’t ahead of him.

    – Who does he play with? Who does he help us beat in the WC?

    – We picked up Lucic at 28, when he was a 0.61 PPG player, if I remember correctly.

    – Kadri turns 29 in October

    Meanwhile, Larsson is our 1RD. We would be giving Toronto our soon to be 27-year-old 1RD for their soon to be 29-year-old 3C. Straight up.

    At least when we got Larsson to play 1RD, we gave up our 1LW. When our LW was 24 going on 25.

    Kadri for Larsson, while it helps the Leafs immensely, is a horrible, horrible, horrible echoing through the ages deal for us. We’ve done enough of those. Charity doesn’t have to begin at home. You offer Dubas peanuts for Kadri. Because that’s all Dubas can afford. You don’t offer Larsson.

    Amen. To all of this.

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