Come on Up to the House

New management will need to add scoring forwards this summer, and it’s probable we’ll see a free-agent signing on July 1. If we estimate an outer marker of $6 million for the “key” addition, is there an answer there? Or would it be best to acquire two $3 million forwards and spread the wealth?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group.INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi and his uncertain future with the Oilers
  • New Lowetide: ‘I see something special’: Are Oilers prepared to make Caleb Jones a fixture on the roster next season?
  • New Jonathan Willis: Gritty comeback performance sends Edmonton’s farm team to the second round of the AHL playoffs.
  • New Lowetide: Dylan Cozens might be ideal fit for Oilers at No. 8 overall in the 2019 draft
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Hard to please, but easy to work for’: How Sean Burke’s philosophy as a GM would benefit the Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A dogged realist, Kelly McCrimmon’s resume makes him an attractive candidate for the Oilers GM job
  • New Lowetide: Is this the season the Oilers take the plunge and draft a USHL player in the first round?
  • Jonathan Willis: Top Oilers prospect Evan Bouchard stars in his first AHL game as Condors dominate.
  • Lowetide: Adam Larsson’s importance to the Oilers and why trading him is a bad idea.
  • Lowetide: Tyler Benson’s comparables offer Oilers fans plenty of hope for the future.
  • Lowetide: Making the call on the Oilers’ RFAs with a new general manager on the way.
  • Lowetide: Red Wings front office shuffle could impact Oilers’ future.
  • Jonathan Willis: Potential coaching candidates and why the Oilers don’t need to rush the GM search to get one
  • Lowetide: What would Glen Sather do with these Oilers?
  • Jonathan Willis: Some creative solutions to address the Oilers’ goalie problem
  • Lowetide: The Milan Lucic saga rolls into Year 4 for Oilers with no easy answers
  • Jonathan Willis: Who stays and who goes? An early projection of which players will remain on the Oilers’ roster in 2019-20
  • LowetideHow high can these Condors fly?
  • Lowetide: The Oilers possible summer trade pieces, and which longtime players might be saying goodbye.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ten prospects likely to be available when the Oilers make their first-round pick.

These kids tell us who they are, over time. Samorukov was the third player chosen by Keith Gretzky in his first draft as Oilers scouting director, there’s a chance he’ll be the best player Edmonton picked in 2017.

Although Kailer Yamamoto and Stuart Skinner were selected ahead of Samorukov, the chapters he’s writing in junior suggest his relative youth (he is about nine months younger than Yamamoto) on draft day has resulted in a higher ceiling. We’re early days, but this year has seen separation. Draft +5, but we can count arrows.

SIX MILLON DOLLAR MEN

A week ago I looked at free agents (including all positions) and came away with five free agents (Brett Connolly, Brandon Pirri, Joonas Donskoi, Brandon Tavev, Brian Elliott) who could elevate the depth of the team. Today, let’s look at home runs, including free agents and trade options. We’re looking at $6 million men, and using this spreadsheet as a guideline for free-agent outer markers.

1 F Gustav Nyquist. He posted 2.10 points per 60 at 5-on-5 this season and is a wizard with the puck. He’ll turn 30 in September and his cap hit on his last contract was $5.5 million.

2 F Mats Zuccarello. He’s 32 in September and posted 2.01 points per 60 at 5-on-5 this year. Injuries have had an impact and he’s an older player. I like him as a complementary winger with any of the big three centers.

3 R Jordan Eberle. He’s 29 on May 15 and will be looking for a big contract. I’m not sure he gets $6 million and I’m really not sure he’d come back to Edmonton, but he’s in the range and is a proven 20-goal winger.

4 L Taylor Hall. He would be No. 1 on this list, but is the first player in the group that would need to be acquired via trade. If NJD can’t get him, perhaps something around the No. 8 overall pick + could get it done. I’d love to see him back in Edmonton.

5 L Nik Ehlers. I don’t think the Jets will move him, the cap issues can be solved by saying goodbye to the right free agents and trading Mathieu Perreault. That said, if Winnipeg moves him, the new GM should be all over the opportunity.

6 L Jonathan Huberdeau. He’s a great player and the Panthers would be crazy to move him, but there’s a management change and that might mean peculiar happenings. He would be a solid fourth with 97, 29 and 93.

7 RD Dougie Hamilton. He seems to be on my list every year, but this is a quality RH defenseman. His numbers against elites, and his puck moving ability, makes him a quality player.

PROJECTED ROSTER 2019-20

We talked about small steps on defense and in goal, and with this plan Edmonton could add only one impact player (and I added Nash because the team needs a No. 3 C).

McLeod damned near made the NHL team a year ago, he returned to junior without a contract and we are here. McLeod’s year over year numbers were flat, there’s a growing suspicion offense will be his NHL hurdle. NHLE’s the last season (26.1) is in the range of Tyler Pitlick in draft +1 (27.2) but you’d like to have seen a spike this year offensively.

Rod Pedersen’s tweet caused quite a stir yesterday, but every hockey insider I heard or read disputed the idea. I know Pedersen well enough to suggest he wouldn’t pull this out of the ether, so maybe there’s some wayward intel from Saskatchewan.

On the other hand, those insiders are paid handsomely to get scoops, and their intel is running counter to Pedersen. In the absence of a second confirmation, I generally stay away from this kind of reporting.

I think it’s reasonable to assume that Mark Hunter, Kelly McCrimmon and Sean Burke have impressed and that Keith Gretzky is still in the mix. It was probably a quick conversation with Holland, and he made his decision to stay in Detroit. Barring a change of heart by Holland, that’s the most likely lay of the land based on what we know. I checked with Pedersen, he’s absolutely standing behind the story and is confident in his source. We wait.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A big and busy show, 10 this morning on TSN1260. Jonathan Willis from The Athletic gets things started at 10:20, followed by Doug Hicks who is once again part of the Hockey Helps the Homeless fundraising efforts this year. More on the event here. We’re also looking for a guest to chat Raptors and maybe a surprise or two as well. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Jesse Puljujarvi and his uncertain future with the Oilers

    https://theathletic.com/953347/2019/04/30/lowetide-jesse-puljujarvi-and-his-uncertain-future-with-the-oilers/

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    As an aside, Samorukov was named the OHL player of the week.

    Lets not forget, as wonderful as his offensive spike has been, this is not just an offensive d-man, in fact, he’s primarily a defensive or two-way d-man and his offensive spike is gravy.

    He’s got all the tools.

    Lets give him his year to two years in the AHL and we will reap the rewards.

  3. Todd Macallan says:

    In the top 5 of Tom Waits songs for me, Mule Variations is fantastic

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    I am fully on board with one more summer of “great bets” on lower end free agents up front – Brandon Pirri (and equivalent).

    I would much rather have a few small bets than over spend on a late 20s UFA style winger and pay him big money for his 30s.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    I would 100% welcome Jordan Eberle back for 3 years at $4M or under. I think the man can still score 30 goals in this league and we can buy low on him. The org should not pay for his playoff heater.

  6. Bulging Twine says:

    Watched Puljujarvi’s world Jr highlights
    man
    impressive

    can this player be restored?

  7. meanashell11 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The org should not pay for his playoff heater.

    How ironic is this!

  8. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Here’s the annual off-season armchairGM of the year contest. Incumbent GM Treevojo and AGM Woogie63 have the off-season to revel in their glory: By the way, who won Hunters contest?

    – What will the Oil do this offseason? Winner get a LT donation:

    1) Who is the Oiler’s first pick?
    2) Who is the Oilers GM?
    3) Who is the Oilers Coach?
    4) How many draft and develop players make the roster opening night from existing AHL playoff roster/Europe/College/Draft pick, etc
    5) What team is Lucic on next year?
    6) What team is Pool on next year?
    7) Which of Sek, Larsson, Benning, Nurse, Klef, Russell aren’t on open game line-up?
    8) Number of roster player for roster player(s) trades? Bonus for calling it
    9) Biggest off-season free-agent signing (by salary)
    10) Who is Koski’s back-up game 1?
    11) Which members of “OBC” sail on ?

    Please answer so I can cut and paste:
    1
    2
    3

  9. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I would 100% welcome Jordan Eberle back for 3 years at $4M or under.I think the man can still score 30 goals in this league and we can buy low on him. The org should not pay for his playoff heater.

    We’re being priced out on Eberle due to his goal scoring in the playoffs. Sigh.

  10. digger50 says:

    Petterson in Vancouver took a beating last year. This year they will have Q Hugh’s. what Vancouver needs is…….,,Milan Lucic.

    Lucic with some money retained plus our second round pick for Virtanen.

  11. digger50 says:

    Darth Tu: We’re being priced out on Eberle due to his goal scoring in the playoffs. Sigh.

    Yes, too funny

  12. dustrock says:

    Haven’t really been watching the Sharks too closely, how has Nyquist played for them?

  13. Wilde says:

    Has anyone else read that piece by DNB on Sean Burke? Terrifying.

  14. who says:

    Two points on your 6 million dollar men LT.
    7. Dougie Hamilton. Big acquisition by Carolina this summer. His 3rd team in a 7 year career? Started the season on the Canes top pair with Slavin. But when push came to shove in these playoffs, suddenly he’s on the 3rd pair and Brindamour is using Pesce and Slavin as his shut down pair. Hamilton has posted good to great numbers since he came in the league. And at times he looks like a number 1 dman, mostly in the ozone. But there is something wrong with this guy.
    5. Nik Ehlers. I suggested a Klefbom for Ehlers and Nisku trade on the last thread. Not sure I would do it but it is something to think about. The only position the Oilers seem to have the strength and depth to trade from is lefty dman. Klefbom or Nurse also bring the best value back in a trade. Klefboms contract is a beaut, but that also increases his value. Ehlers contract might look just as good in a year or two. The trade would definitely weaken the defense next year, and probably the year after. But it instantly creates 2 scoring lines for the Oilers. In 2 years Jones and Samarukov are ready to be major contributors and Ehlers is still under contract for 4 more years. Klefbom would have 2 years left on his. Am I crazy?

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    “McLeod damned near made the NHL team a year ago”

    I don’t actually believe this to be true. In my opinion, even though he stayed late in to camp, there was never a real chance he was going to stick for game 1.

    The fact that some thought that he should make the team or that it was something to contemplate last year is another great example of his meaningless camp and exhibition performance by higher talent prospects is with respect to NHL readiness. This guy had a plus camp and “almost made the team” and then proceeded to have kind of even arrows back in junior. He isn’t close to the NHL. He likely needs at least 2 years of AHL time.

    Training camp and exhibition game performance mean absolutely nothing with respect to NHL readiness of talented young prospects.

  16. slopitch says:

    Whats better, 3 Toby Reiders or 1 Lucic or James Neal. Im kidding although not completely. UFA’s wont come to Edmonton at fair dollar in the ufa market until the team makes the 3rd round.

    I believe the play is to move 1 of Russell or Sekera, try to move Lucic (buyout is too daunting) and shop for ufa’s on 1 year deals July 15 onward. Chaison was a great signing. Reider should have worked out. Year 1 of Russell was also good. More of that 🙂 If the team is in the mix for playoffs use the cap space as an asset like Vegas did acquiring Stone.

  17. Coiler says:

    I think the notion of Hall and Eberle returning to this team would be near impossible given cap restraints. Both are going to want more money and term and it’s not in the team’s interests to give them either.

    I think it’s time to move on from them or be at risk of creating another version of the OBC.

  18. PinkSocks says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    – What will the Oil do this offseason?Winner get a LT donation:

    Thanks for doing this again Kinger.

    1) Peyton Krebs
    2) Mark Hunter
    3) Rocky Thompson
    4) 4 – Benson, Jones, Persson, Starrett
    5) Edmonton Oilers (*cries)
    6) Edmonton Oilers
    7) Benning & Russell
    8) 1 – Benning for Connor Brown
    9) Joonas Donskoi
    10) Shane Starrett
    11) None

  19. Stanley says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I would 100% welcome Jordan Eberle back for 3 years at $4M or under.I think the man can still score 30 goals in this league and we can buy low on him. The org should not pay for his playoff heater.

    We traded him because of a playoff slump….

  20. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Wilde,

    DNB? Do you have a link?

  21. London Jon says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    “McLeod damned near made the NHL team a year ago”

    I don’t actually believe this to be true.In my opinion, even though he stayed late in to camp, there was never a real chance he was going to stick for game 1.

    The fact that some thought that he should make the team or that it was something to contemplate last year is another great example of his meaningless camp and exhibition performance by higher talent prospects is with respect to NHL readiness.This guy had a plus camp and “almost made the team” and then proceeded to have kind of even arrows back in junior.He isn’t close to the NHL.He likely needs at least 2 years of AHL time.

    Training camp and exhibition game performance mean absolutely nothing with respect to NHL readiness of talented young prospects.

    He could have been showing signs in camp that he was going to be reluctant to sign.

    And we kept him up to make him happy.

    We will (probably) never know…

  22. PinkSocks says:

    Wilde:
    Has anyone else read that piece by DNB on Sean Burke? Terrifying.

    Truly terrifying to place our bets on another Hockey Canada guy “Hi Burger Bob” who doesn’t exactly have a great track record in the NHL. I had to go back to the quote that bothered me the most. And it’s this:

    Managing the salary cap, as an example, would almost certainly be overseen by someone else.
    “That’s gonna be a challenge for him, but I think he’s up for it and he’s prepared for it,”

    Yowza.

  23. London Jon says:

    slopitch:
    Whats better, 3 Toby Reiders or 1 Lucic or James Neal. Im kidding although not completely. UFA’s wont come to Edmonton at fair dollar in the ufa market until the team makes the 3rd round.

    I believe the play is to move 1 of Russell or Sekera, try to move Lucic (buyout is too daunting) and shop for ufa’s on 1 year deals July 15 onward. Chaison was a great signing. Reider should have worked out. Year 1 of Russell was also good. More of that If the team is in the mix for playoffs use the cap space as an asset like Vegas did acquiring Stone.

    A shame PC took decent one year contracts (Russell, Koski) and turned them into boat anchors for no apparent reason.

    Chiasson must have been distraught when PC left. He was looking good for 4x4m with an NMC!

  24. Dr. Taboggan says:

    PinkSocks,

    Awesome. Thanks.

  25. Woogie63 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    1. Cozens
    2. Gilman
    3. Kirk Muller
    4. Starlett 2G, Jones 3LHD, Benson 3LW, Marody 3C; (Gamberdelli 13 F, Lagessson 7 D)
    5. Oilers (will play with Lucic-Khaira-Chiasson)
    6. Oilers (RW for Driasaitl)
    7. Russell
    8. 2 players traded Russell to Winnipeg for Lindholm; Kassian+Bear to NJD for Woods
    9. Ferland 4x$5
    10. Starlett
    11. Coffey, Howson, Sutter

  26. GMB3 says:

    i’d love to have been a fly on the wall during the Gillis interview process.

  27. Coiler says:

    1) Traded
    2) Burke
    3) DJ Smith
    4) 2
    5) Edmonton
    6) Montreal
    7) Sekera, Benning, Russell
    8) 2
    9) Kapanen
    10) Starret
    11) None

  28. Marc says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I am fully on board with one more summer of “great bets” on lower end free agents up front – Brandon Pirri (and equivalent).

    I would much rather have a few small bets than over spend on a late 20s UFA style winger and pay him big money for his 30s.

    Totally agree.

    And if you add to that a couple of moves like the Spooner/Gagner swap, where an overpaid and/or declining Oiler is traded for an overpaid and/or declining player from another team, where each player is a better fit for their new team’s needs than their old one, then it should be possible to balance and improve the roster in small but hopefully meaningful ways.

    In particular, targeting older forwards who are paid like top-six players but who have been pushed into the bottom six by the emergence of younger forwards on their teams could be fruitful.

    For example, trading Russell for Perrault (which would save Winnipeg $1.5M in cash) would be a wash cap-wise. Similarly, trading Lucic for Turris (which would save Nashville $14M in cash if done on July 2) would be a wash cap-wise.

    A roster like this:

    Drai – McDavid – Kassian
    X – RNH – Turris
    Benson – Perrault – JP
    Khaira – Cave/Brodziak – Gagner

    Klefbom– Larsson
    Nurse – Benning
    Sekera – Jones
    X

    Koskinen
    X

    should be more skilful and balanced than last year’s version, and would still have around $10M available to fill the three Xs, plus new contracts for JP and Khaira.

  29. Pescador says:

    5 L Nik Ehlers. I don’t think the Jets will move him, the cap issues can be solved by saying goodbye to the right free agents and trading Mathieu Perreault. That said, if Winnipeg moves him, the new GM should be all over the opportunity.

    I know Winnipeg is looking to shed salary, but would they be interested in a Russell for Perreault swap?
    Cap hits are $4 & $4.125 respectively.
    Both contracts have MNC & run out in 20/21.
    I see Winnipeg moving on from Myers & Trouba is trying to run himself out of town.

  30. russ99 says:

    Acquiring Hall a year before FA would be a Chiarelli level waste of assets.

    Read any interview where Hall discusses this, he’s testing FA, no matter what.

  31. dulock says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Here’s the annual off-season armchairGM of the year contest.Incumbent GM Treevojo and AGM Woogie63 have the off-season to revel in their glory:By the way, who won Hunters contest?

    – What will the Oil do this offseason?Winner get a LT donation:

    1) Who is the Oiler’s first pick?
    2) Who is the Oilers GM?
    3) Who is the Oilers Coach?
    4) How many draft and develop players make the roster opening night from existing AHL playoff roster/Europe/College/Draft pick, etc
    5) What team is Lucic on next year?
    6) What team is Pool on next year?
    7) Which of Sek, Larsson, Benning, Nurse, Klef, Russell aren’t on open game line-up?
    8) Number of roster player for roster player(s) trades? Bonus for calling it
    9) Biggest off-season free-agent signing (by salary)
    10) Who is Koski’s back-up game 1?
    11) Which members of “OBC” sail on ?

    1 Cole Caufield
    2 Mccrimmon
    3 Rocky Thompson
    4 3
    5 Oilers
    6 Oilers
    7 Sekera (Injured) Russell (traded)
    8 0
    9 Tyler Myers
    10 Starett starts Game 1
    11 Paul Coffey

  32. Yeti says:

    Dammit. I’m seriously going to have to do a better job of covering my tracks.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48101717

    Edit: Kinger – I see you’re already onto me!

  33. russ99 says:

    Pescador,

    IMO, our cap fix is going to have to come from somewhere else than the #8 + Jesse trade.

    If Jesse signs as a RFA that would be for at least $2.5M and the #8 pick’s signing bonus would be $3-4M. It’s not like we’re moving no cap or salary in that deal.

  34. PinkSocks says:

    Marc,

    Lucic for Turris?

  35. Wilde says:

    PinkSocks,

    If you read between the lines, it’s really bad. Not that Daniel intended to message that, just if you extract the facts from the reporting here it’s hard to arrange a pretty picture.

    A lot of that is form stuff we already know, like that they’re basically looking for an evaluator, which is insane.

    They should be looking for 3-4 ‘evaluators’.

    And then the GM on top of that.

    The evaluations have been bad, but honestly, I think they lack intelligent decision-making and vision-building.

    Like, with each of their stumbles, there was no possible coherent internal logic they could have been using; not any that would withstand supervisory interrogation to any professional degree of harshness.

    If they had some sound oversight that they had to go and present each of their trades to, that guy would have their ideas broken down and busted within two or three questions. That’s how thin things were.

    There’s no game theory being used when you’re recruiting for Team Canada. This is obscene. There’s no formal training in management, relations, or negotiations between his playing days and his office days. Was he signing players to AHL deals when he worked with Treliving? Would we know if he did?

    I’m no credentialist, I wouldn’t care very much about how much his learning cost or where he went for it. Having nothing seems like a gamble, though.

    If I’m to skip all that, assume he learned perfectly well on the job, and assume that he had everything to do with everything he was involved with in ARI and Hockey Canada, then there too lays the responsibility – and I’m not a fan of the work done there either.

  36. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    OriginalPouzar: mean absolutely nothing

    Disagree. I don’t think training camp and exhibition games mean “absolutely nothing”.

  37. Marc says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    1. Turcotte
    2. McCrimmon
    3. Gulutzan
    4. Jones 3LHD, Benson 3LW
    5. Nashville
    6. Oilers
    7. Russell
    8. 2 – Russell to Winnipeg for Perrault; Lucic to Nashville for Turris
    9. Zuccarello 2×3.5
    10. Elliot
    11. Messier, Coffey, Sutter

  38. Marc says:

    PinkSocks:
    Marc,

    Lucic for Turris?

    Turris has had a disastrous year in Nashville (see https://atozsportsnashville.com/nashville-predators-kyle-turris-problem/ or https://eu.tennessean.com/story/sports/nhl/predators/2019/03/21/nashville-predators-kyle-turris-nhl-peter-laviolette/3194841002/). They signed him to be their 2C and instead he’s been in their bottom 6 and a healthy scratch a few times. He’s got 5 years left on his contract at $6M.

    Nashville is coming off a disappointing season and looking to shake things up. They are also still one of the league’s lower revenue teams. If the trade goes down after July 1, Lucic would have 4 years left with a total cash cost of $16M. Turris (who’s a year younger) would have 5 years left at a total cash cost of $30M. His contract doesn’t have the bonus structure of Lucic, so it would be buyoutable.

    Nashville could (and probably will) gamble that Turris bounces back. But if he can’t play in their top six, they’re a small market team with their second highest paid forward giving them 30 points a season in their bottom 6 for 5 more years.

    I could see them thinking that Lucic is both a better fit for that role, and one that saves them $14M over the next few years.

  39. Pescador says:

    Marc: Turris has had a disastrous year in Nashville (see https://atozsportsnashville.com/nashville-predators-kyle-turris-problem/ or https://eu.tennessean.com/story/sports/nhl/predators/2019/03/21/nashville-predators-kyle-turris-nhl-peter-laviolette/3194841002/). They signed him to be their 2C and instead he’s been in their bottom 6 and a healthy scratch a few times. He’s got 5 years left on his contract at $6M.

    Nashville is coming off a disappointing season and looking to shake things up. They are also still one of the league’s lower revenue teams. If the trade goes down after July 1, Lucic would have 4 years left with a total cash cost of $16M. Turris (who’s a year younger) would have 5 years left at a total cash cost of $30M. His contract doesn’t have the bonus structure of Lucic, so it would be buyoutable.

    Nashville could (and probably will) gamble that Turris bounces back. But if he can’t play in their top six, they’re a small market team with their second highest paid forward giving them 30 points a season in their bottom 6 for 5 more years.

    I could see them thinking that Lucic is both a better fit for that role, and one that saves them $14M over the next few years.

    Oh man is it crazy to want Turris as your 3C if Lucic is the guy going the other way?

  40. Pescador says:

    russ99:
    Pescador,

    IMO, our cap fix is going to have to come from somewhere else than the #8 + Jesse trade.

    If Jesse signs as a RFA that would be for at least $2.5M and the #8 pick’s signing bonus would be $3-4M.It’s not like we’re moving no cap or salary in that deal.

    I was floating a Russell for Perreault trade,
    We’re you meaning to quote a different post?

  41. ArmchairGM says:

    russ99:
    Pescador,

    IMO, our cap fix is going to have to come from somewhere else than the #8 + Jesse trade.

    If Jesse signs as a RFA that would be for at least $2.5M and the #8 pick’s signing bonus would be $3-4M.It’s not like we’re moving no cap or salary in that deal.

    Jesse should get around $1.5M and 8th overall would have about $850k performance bonuses.

  42. Glass says:

    Marc,

    Lucic for Turris would be huge… I think Turris could return to previous levels. If he can’t play RW on Nuge’s line, at least we’d have an established 3C. Felt like Lucic was sinking production on whatever line he was on.

    Draisaitl/McDavid/?
    Benson/Nuge/?
    Khaira/Turris/?
    Gambardella/Cave/?

    I’d sweeten the deal by throwing in Lagesson

  43. Marc says:

    Pescador: Oh man is it crazy to want Turris as your 3C if Lucic is the guy going the other way?

    It’s kind of like throwing a shirt in the laundry basket, then having to fish it out a few days later because it’s actually the cleanest of all your shirts.

    Turris is the cleanest dirty shirt.

  44. Jethro Tull says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    1) Peyton Krebs-Filter
    2) Mark Hunter
    3)Dave or Tim Hunter
    4) 3
    5) The Oilers
    6) The Oilers
    7) Sek, Larsson, Klef.
    8) 1, but it’s a biggy. Sek, Larsson and Klef for Zaitsev and Nylander
    9)Brian Elliott
    10) Brian Elliott
    11) Absolutely none of them.

  45. Pescador says:

    Marc: It’s kind of like throwing a shirt in the laundry basket, then having to fish it out a few days later because it’s actually the cleanest of all your shirts.

    Turris is the cleanest dirty shirt.

    He’s all wrinkled & I don’t know how to use the iron er
    23pts in 55 games last year
    So Strome level offense, terrible contract for that production.
    But let’s not kid ourselves we are complete beggars at this point

  46. PinkSocks says:

    Glass:
    Marc,

    Lucic for Turris would be huge… I think Turris could return to previous levels. If he can’t play RW on Nuge’s line, at least we’d have an established 3C. Felt like Lucic was sinking production on whatever line he was on.

    Draisaitl/McDavid/?
    Benson/Nuge/?
    Khaira/Turris/?
    Gambardella/Cave/?

    I’d sweeten the deal by throwing in Lagesson

    For a Lucic-Turris deal I’d throw in just about anything. Lucic + Lagesson + JP/Yamamoto.

  47. Alpine says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    1. Peyton Krebs
    2. McCrimmon
    3. Lane Lambert
    4. Two. Jones and Benson.
    5. Boston via Ottawa, with the Oilers and Sens retaining salary.
    6. Oilers, maybe somewhere else mid-season
    7. Russell and Benning
    8. 3, Lucic for Zack Smith, Benning for a forward, Russell for a cheaper RD (TvR, Pateryn).
    9. Joonas Donskoi 3 x 3.25
    10. James Reimer
    11. Howson, Sutter, MacT all gone. Yeah I’m going for it on this one, lol.

  48. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I would 100% welcome Jordan Eberle back for 3 years at $4M or under.I think the man can still score 30 goals in this league and we can buy low on him. The org should not pay for his playoff heater.

    Eberle’s play in this year’s playoffs suggest that being traded was a big wake up call for him. He is a much more invested player this spring.

  49. Oil2Oilers says:

    A small money bet in free agency is MPS. Pääjärvi would improve team speed add to the penalty kill and contribute more offensively than Lucic (or even Khaira).

    I recall some offensive talent when given limited ice time with Nuge. He got a steady diet of horrible center’s in his time in Edmonton, ala Yakupov. Related: commentator David S on LT Athletic article shows the boat anchor effect of Lucic on Puljujarvi, it is Wowy 😉

  50. Oilman99 says:

    PinkSocks:
    Marc,

    Lucic for Turris?

    Lucic for Terri’s will happen when “pigs fly”,no chance in hell anybody is going to do such a deal unless The other team hires Chia.

  51. Bag of Pucks says:

    slopitch:
    Whats better, 3 Toby Reiders or 1 Lucic or James Neal. Im kidding although not completely. UFA’s wont come to Edmonton at fair dollar in the ufa market until the team makes the 3rd round.

    I believe the play is to move 1 of Russell or Sekera, try to move Lucic (buyout is too daunting) and shop for ufa’s on 1 year deals July 15 onward. Chaison was a great signing. Reider should have worked out. Year 1 of Russell was also good. More of that 🙂 If the team is in the mix for playoffs use the cap space as an asset like Vegas did acquiring Stone.

    Fully agree. This is the approach I favour as well

    Move out the bad contracts and create competition for the young prospects across the roster by signing hungry vets on 1 year deals.

    Strive to have speed, PK skills and physicality in that Bottom 6.

    Doubt you’d land him on a 1 year deal but i do like Tanev. Oil need more players in that age cluster.

  52. Bag of Pucks says:

    russ99:
    Acquiring Hall a year before FA would be a Chiarelli level waste of assets.

    Read any interview where Hall discusses this, he’s testing FA, no matter what.

    The injury history is getting worrisome as well.

  53. barry.moore23 says:

    “I’d sweeten the deal by throwing in Lagesson”

    ** OP begins to tremble and violently explodes leaving quite a mess on the deadlifting platform”

    🙂

  54. Bondo11 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Here’s the annual off-season armchairGM of the year contest.Incumbent GM Treevojo and AGM Woogie63 have the off-season to revel in their glory:By the way, who won Hunters contest?

    – What will the Oil do this offseason?Winner get a LT donation:

    1) Who is the Oiler’s first pick?
    2) Who is the Oilers GM?
    3) Who is the Oilers Coach?
    4) How many draft and develop players make the roster opening night from existing AHL playoff roster/Europe/College/Draft pick, etc
    5) What team is Lucic on next year?
    6) What team is Pool on next year?
    7) Which of Sek, Larsson, Benning, Nurse, Klef, Russell aren’t on open game line-up?
    8) Number of roster player for roster player(s) trades? Bonus for calling it
    9) Biggest off-season free-agent signing (by salary)
    10) Who is Koski’s back-up game 1?
    11) Which members of “OBC” sail on ?

    Please answer so I can cut and paste:
    1
    2
    3

    1. Dylan Cousins
    2. Kelly McCrimmon
    3. Kris Knoblauch
    4. 3 (Jones, Benson, Gambardella)
    5. Oilers
    6. Oilers
    7. Kris Russell
    8. 1 – Russell + Bear for Pysyk
    9. Joonas Donskoi
    10. Curtis McElhinney
    11. Howson, Scott, Sutter, and remainder of pro scouts

  55. godot10 says:

    The Oilers should avoid the high end UFA market and go for trades instead.

    Benning for Jt Miller modulo stuff.
    Russell for Perreault modulo stuff.

    There might be a deal for Hoffman and Reimer with Florida.

    On the Turris idea….maybe one goes big…just throwing this out there….stuff against the wall.

    Nugent-Hopkins and Lucic and Lagesson for Subban and Turris.

  56. knighttown says:

    Wilde:
    PinkSocks,

    If you read between the lines, it’s really bad. Not that Daniel intended to message that, just if you extract the facts from the reporting here it’s hard to arrange a pretty picture.

    A lot of that is form stuff we already know, like that they’re basically looking for an evaluator, which is insane.

    They should be looking for 3-4 ‘evaluators’.

    And then the GM on top of that.

    The evaluations have been bad, but honestly, I think they lack intelligent decision-making and vision-building.

    Like, with each of their stumbles, there was no possible coherent internal logic they could have been using; not any that would withstand supervisory interrogation to any professional degree of harshness.

    If they had some sound oversight that they had to go and present each of their trades to, that guy would have their ideas broken down and busted within two or three questions. That’s how thin things were.

    There’s no game theory being used when you’re recruiting for Team Canada. This is obscene. There’s no formal training in management, relations, or negotiations between his playing days and his office days. Was he signing players to AHL deals when he worked with Treliving? Would we know if he did?

    I’m no credentialist, I wouldn’t care very much about how much his learning cost or where he went for it. Having nothing seems like a gamble, though.

    If I’m to skip all that, assume he learned perfectly well on the job, and assume that he had everything to do with everything he was involved with in ARI and Hockey Canada, then there too lays the responsibility – and I’m not a fan of the work done there either.

    This process has been so flawed from the start. What an amazing opportunity to truly leapfrog organizations if they could only make a token effort because most teams aren’t close to where they’ll be in 5 years.

    I just wrapped up a terrific article at SI

    https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/03/28/technology-revolution-baseball-trackman-edgertronic-rapsodo

    The tech revolution in baseball has cataclysmic and it’s over such a short time span.

    Teams are quickly forming in two lines; those that have a clue and those that don’t.

    Teams like Astros, Dodgers and Cubs are using high-tech gear (Trackman, Rapsado and Edgertronic) to track literally every pitch their pitchers are throwing; in bullpen sessions, training and now even in games.

    The Trackman can tell them velocity of course but also spin rate, pitch path, horizontal break and vertical break.

    The Edgertronic high-speed cameras shoots 1000 frames per second and focus just on the hand showing in remarkable clarity how the ball comes off a pitchers fingertips and how it spins.

    This technology and the team of analysts and coaches that interpret and teach with it allows coaches to optimize player performance. Take Justin Verlander, the 36 year old perennial Cy Young candidate who looked to be on his last legs with the Tigers a few years ago. He threw with Edgertronic for the first time and they were able to pinpoint that his slider was becoming visible to the batters too soon, made a few tweaks and it’s working better than ever. With Rapsodo they saw that the metrics (spin rate, speed, on his two-seam fastball were so poor that he should no longer use the pitch.

    In two seasons with Houston Verlander is 27-11 with a 2.41 ERA.

    These “smart” teams are now targeting the dumb ones. Gerrit Cole (Astros too) was plucked from the Pirates after allowing the second most HR’s in the NL and having a 4.26 ERA. They used pitch data to identify a better pitcher within Cole as the way he was using his pitches was wrong. The fundamentally changed him from a two-seam fastball guy how enduced ground balls to a 4-seam fastball pitcher who pounded the top of the strike zone with swing-and-miss stuff. They realized that the two-seam fastball is basically obsolete in today’s game. As pitchers look for a steeper launch angle it creates a perfect opportunity for batters to catch low/sinking pitches on the way up.

    So he stopped using that pitch and they re-worked his four-seamer and this is where coaching comes in. He worked tirelessly re-working this pitch getting instant feedback from the video and spin rate analytics. In 2018 Cole’s spin rate averaged 2378 RPM and batters hit only 0.185 against it making it the 3rd best pitch in all of baseball.

    All of this data is now working for managers too. In the past managers would rely on handedness and/or batter-pitcher history when calling for a pitching change. They still do but many now use “pitch-path analytics” first. So perhaps a manager combats a high-launch angle hitter with a high-fastball/4-seamer pitcher regardless of handedness and history.

    The top organizations like the Dodgers spend 20 million annually on technology, analytics and sports science and that doesn’t include investments in sports tech incubators or start-ups that are on to something but need time and cash to see it through.

    And now the impact has crept into player recruiting and retention. Forrest Whitley, considered the best pitching prospect in baseball, hasn’t thrown a single pitch without Edgertronic or Rapsodo watching closely. He talks to his buddies in other organizations and they think it’s nuts because they’ve never even seen these tools. But he knows know other way know and completely buys into the science. How likely is he to go to the Marlins and give up all of this data? When free agent pitchers see what the Astros did for Verlander and Cole are they more likely to head to Houston on a discount to see if they can get their game in order? Even if the players aren’t that up-to-speed you know the agents are.

    There are still lots of guys out there who aren’t all-in on the tech boom in baseball. Guys like Jon Lester quoted as saying that “while the information can be helpful, guys still have to compete and get outs”. Does that not sound a bit like the 200 hockey men we all know and love?

    I will acknowledge hockey isn’t baseball. Most of the monumental impacts to individual players have come on the pitching side because hitting is more reactive and therefore harder to impact. But teams are using these new tools for hitters with impressive results and with V/R almost there baseball execs predict that in 1-2 years batters will warm up against simulations of the pitcher they are expected to face that night. The pendulum will swing back.

    So while hockey isn’t baseball and the immediate impacts may not be as large I’d have to guess that the “gap” between a team fully embracing hockey tech and a team run by Dale Tallon would be larger. There are incremental gains to be made here.

    A truly innovative NHL organization would hire Andrew Friedman, the Dodgers president of baseball operations to oversee this and would hire a true believer like Laurence Gilman type as the GM. Friedman is spending the 20 million annually on baseball R&D but most importantly has changed the culture so that nerds aren’t hidden away from the players and coaches. There are no walls separating these groups and people move in-and-out. The sports scientists host “PhD’s” for the coaches on how to train a slider for example.

    An organization like this would optimize our current player performance and would be able to better identify players on other teams that with optimization, could be more effective. And finally, these movements come from the ground up and as younger players demand this type of support, an organization that offers it will be miles ahead in retention and recruitment.

    But alas, Sean Burke is a good guy who worked with Bobby Burgers at Hockey Canada and here we are.

  57. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    “McLeod damned near made the NHL team a year ago”

    I don’t actually believe this to be true.In my opinion, even though he stayed late in to camp, there was never a real chance he was going to stick for game 1.

    The fact that some thought that he should make the team or that it was something to contemplate last year is another great example of his meaningless camp and exhibition performance by higher talent prospects is with respect to NHL readiness.This guy had a plus camp and “almost made the team” and then proceeded to have kind of even arrows back in junior.He isn’t close to the NHL.He likely needs at least 2 years of AHL time.

    Training camp and exhibition game performance mean absolutely nothing with respect to NHL readiness of talented young prospects.

    Hi OP. He was one of the best young players in camp. He has two attributes that are missing in a number of our prospects. That is a combination of size and speed. His numbers flat lined for a period of time due to a trade and then a demotion of sorts to a more defensive role. He has however played well in the playoffs. His defensive awareness along with the aforementioned attributes disagree with your assesment. Given the lack of center depth after Nuge I would aurgue he has a definite shot. Not all young players are going to make top six forwards regardless of long you play them in the AHL. These players still have value.

  58. godot10 says:

    It would be a massive waste of a prospect to play McLeod in the NHL next year. He needs time in the AHL to develop his offense to maximize him as a player. Otherwise one has used a 2ND round draft pick to produce a 4the line centre.

  59. knighttown says:

    1) Who is the Oiler’s first pick? Krebs
    2) Who is the Oilers GM? Hunter
    3) Who is the Oilers Coach? Keefe
    4) How many draft and develop players make the roster opening night from existing AHL playoff roster/Europe/College/Draft pick, etc 3 (Persson, Jesse, Gambaedella)
    5) What team is Lucic on next year? Oilers
    6) What team is Pool on next year? Oilers
    7) Which of Sek, Larsson, Benning, Nurse, Klef, Russell aren’t on open game line-up? Benning
    8) Number of roster player for roster player(s) trades? Bonus for calling it (Benning for Brown)
    9) Biggest off-season free-agent signing (by salary) Zuccarello (3 x 4.5)
    10) Who is Koski’s back-up game 1? (McIlhenney)
    11) Which members of “OBC” sail on ? None

  60. godot10 says:

    pts2pndr: Hi OP. He was one of the best young players in camp. He has two attributes that are missing in a number of our prospects. That is a combination of size and speed. His numbers flat lined for a period of time due to a trade and then a demotion of sorts to a more defensive role. He has however played well in the playoffs. His defensive awareness along with the aforementioned attributes disagree with your assesment. Given the lack of center depth after Nuge I would aurgue he has a definite shot. Not all young players are going to make top six forwards regardless of long you play them in the AHL. These players still have value.

    McLeod had scant production the latter half of camp. Your eyes were fooling you if you thoughtless was remotely close to ready.

  61. Rich M says:

    Glass:
    Marc,

    Lucic for Turris would be huge… I think Turris could return to previous levels. If he can’t play RW on Nuge’s line, at least we’d have an established 3C. Felt like Lucic was sinking production on whatever line he was on.

    Draisaitl/McDavid/?
    Benson/Nuge/?
    Khaira/Turris/?
    Gambardella/Cave/?

    I’d sweeten the deal by throwing in Lagesson

    Been reading this with interest (being an Oiler’s fan who lives in Nashville).

    Poile would like to unload Turris – no question. But Lucic doesn’t help their issue down the middle. Nashville has an issue with scoring beyond the top line and tried a lot of combinations that did not work last year. Didn’t help that Turris had a broken foot.

    It’s reasonable to expect that he’ll be better next year, but he’s turning 30.

    If Nashville is going to make a trade, my sense would be who get’s them a better return – Subban or Ellis. One of them could go to solve the problem in the middle first.

  62. New Improved Darkness says:

    So the post-9/11 Bruce Nuclear won four international SWAT championships.

    As I was tossing my word salad yesterday, I didn’t even notice the gem of a sentence from Wikipedia describing the previous management regime:

    Reliance was on passive measures such as fencing and locks.

    As quoted yesterday, this comment was offered up in reference to their prior laxitude:

    On 23 September 2001, a man whose boat capsized on Lake Huron near the Bruce complex squeezed through a gate, entered an office building and phoned for help—all undetected.

    What a turn of phrase. Thoroughly tranquillized phrases such as “reliance was on” mainly appear in official documents when the nearest available coroner has lucrative marital connections into the posh side of the still-somewhat-extended Donner family.

    ———

    Palace guard: Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

    Polonius (as troubled spirit, haunting the afterlife): Reliance was upon matrimonial moderation of Hamlet’s mother.

    Beelzebub [cracking visibly]: Out, out damned snot!

    Eventually, Bee just couldn’t handle hearing this lackgut explanation One. More. Time.

    And with that, Polonius was kicked out of the Limbo Gauntlet, to face his limbo penance in total exile, stone-cold sober, without even the joyless momentary micro-buzz from his daily noggin of Milwaukee’s Second Best (obtained by dipping a coconut-cap gourd into a filthy communal vat of rice and corn and adjutant adjuncts).

    [*] If it weren’t for the added adjutants, this mock Michigan malt would have no beer flavour at all, eerie or otherwise.

    ———

    Later that week, in his scheduled Bee calling Dee (aka Mork calling Orson), Bee was nailed to the carpet for squandering his best resource.

    Dee: Looky here, ninnypants, suffering is the whole point, and you let Polonius blow the joint?! What giant sigh of relief must have been released across the whole of Limbonia!

    Bee [anguished whimper, increasingly fetal]: … reliance was upon … reliance was upon … reliance was upon …

    Dee [mental monologue]: Fuck me. Seven princes of Hell, and now five have elbow-patch PTSD, and every last one from rubbing shoulders with some pompous stuffed shirt. Vlad the Impaler, just another day in the office; but two weeks of the palace pompadour, and they’re set all-a-blubbering. At least I’ve still got Belphegor. He’s my rock. Man, if Belphegor falls, I don’t even know what I would do—probably excise my fingernails with my own teeth.

    Belphegor is a demon, one of the seven princes of Hell, who helps people make discoveries. He seduces people by suggesting to them ingenious inventions that will make them rich (or triumphant).

    Dee [in rising wail; replaying Belphegor’s greatest hit]: “Heeeavy … hEAvy … HEAvy … HEEEEEeeeavy.” Man, that was gooder. Hook, line, and sinker. 7 × $6 with $23 in signing bonuses continuing into his middle thirties. Ah, ah, ahh, aah.

    [Dee slaps his knee, back to his normal, cheery self again, despite his mounting HR problems.]

    Dee [continuing to settle his own nerves]: Man, nothing like a forthcoming presser in Edmonchuck to put the spring back in your step, after a long eternity. Belphegor will be ready! I’m sure of it. He always is. This is his stage to shine. Not so earnest as Belfast or Beirut, Tel Aviv or Tehran. More scope for pure artistry. Whatever will it be, this time? Man, I’m on the edge of my seat like a schoolgirl over that crooning shufflupagus … uh, er, Elvis! (still so hard to recall his name, after we lost all his death records during the Great Hellfire of 10,666—the ink was still drying, and the stoneguard hadn’t been applied yet, when the first glowing magnesium hubcap shimmied in through the skylight; verily, there are ordinary tire fires, and then there are lugnut-spewing whole wheat tire fires with saucers of vengeance).

    Dee [finally remembering Bee]: Now Bee, you’re my trusted lieutenant. I need you. Buckle up, and fly right. A man such as Polonius is a gift rarely received. What sets your teeth on edge makes another man’s head explode. One must suck it up in the name of a greater cause. Without a greater cause, eternity has no final meaning. It’s a dangerous path, this booting Polonius off the Island of Wailing Souls, to wander alone, aggrieving only himself. For torment to truly excel itself, your best men need to be your best men. Remember that always, my faithful son.

    Bee [now recovering his stiff former poise]: Yes, master, thy swill be done.

    Dee [suddenly glancing pointedly over the tops of his tortoiseshell bifocals]: Uh, what did you just say?

    Bee: Starting tonight, Polonius is baaaack and dipping his pate again at the Prancing Bony.

    Dee: I thought it was called the Limbo Gauntlet?

    Bee: And so it is—unless one arrives by the rear entrance.

  63. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    digger50,

    I think Benning is exactly the GM you deal with for Lucic’s player-type and they have the Cap Space for his contract, but despite it being a homecoming for both he and his spouse, would Lucic really want to go back to Van?

    It makes too much sense, so he will probably end up in Montreal.

  64. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    1) Traded
    2) Hunter
    3) Gulutzan
    4) 2. Jones & Benson
    5) Oilers
    6) Oilers
    7) Benning
    8) 2
    9) Tanev 2.75MM
    10) Reimer
    11) Howson (if he can be included in the OBC)

  65. SwedishPoster says:

    There’s a bunch of Swedes and almost-Swedes on the ufa market this summer. A lot of them would be nice fits stylewise but I don’t think they are very likely to sign or if they do will be too pricey.

    Gus Nyqvist would be a solid add to the top 6, great hands around the net, fine skater and great offensive smarts, so so defensively, I could see him potting 30 goals on Nuge’s wing and even more with the other two big dogs but his wife who I think is from somewhere near the Detroit area is due with their first baby this spring/summer so I wouldn’t be surprised to see him resign with Detroit or at least a time somewhat nearby to be close to her family. So Edmonton doesn’t seem likely.

    Zuccarello would also be a nice add on a short contract but I think he either goes back to NY and his buddy Lundqvist or a clear contender, I also think he could be looking for more term than what’s reasonable.

    Marcus Johansson seems like the forgotten free agent, I’ve seen several free agent lists where he’s just omitted. He could actually be a smart, cheap option, can play with skill, great vision and knows how to play several roles on the PP well, ok defensively but weak on the boards and has had some injury issues. Those issues plus a so so season might actually make him a good cheap option if it scares off enough teams. The key though is to get him on a cheap contract as there’s risk here. But if healthy he’s a good fit, keeps the play alive on a skill line, throws in the occasional highlight pass and would greatly strengthen the second string PP. He seems to be heating up in the playoffs the last few games so might price himself out of a reasonable range.

    Carl Hagelin won’t be worth his price tag, lots of speed but limited skill and I think it’s catching up to him now that he’s past 30. Can probably be useful for a few more season he came real cheap but I doubt it.

    Pär Lindholm, last year’s most talked about free agent out of the SHL hasn’t been a success, he has struggled to piss a drop offensively but has looked ok defensively. Might be a smart bet on the cheap if his earlier career is any indicator, he seems to need some time adjusting to new leagues and level of play but eventually he figures it out. A contract slightly above league minimum might turn out to be real value.

    For D I’ve mentioned before that Strålman is likely to stay out east or sign a big retirement contract, either way can’t see him as a possible signing. Big family guy, wouldn’t like the travel in Edmonton. Unless he somehow has had a life long dream to be an Oiler. Stranger things have happened I guess.

    Erik Karlsson is far to expensive, likely going to a contender(TB seems to be the most probable candidate) and is obviously a risky contract with his injury riddled history. Though these playoffs are showing he can still contribute on one leg(his groin has clearly not healed yet). Won’t be an Oiler but it would be pretty damn cool to see him with McDavid, especially if Karlsson could ever get healthy, two crazy entertaining players when they are on.

  66. Wilde says:

    knighttown,

    Great post. At the bit about targeting teams, I was going to mention Tallon and Florida. They could be completely eviscerated this summer when they try to pull off this Panarin-Bobrovsky thing. Cleaned out. You can feel it – you could lift anything.

    Speaking of ‘movements from the ground up’, I think that might straight up be the only option for Edmontonians in this thing. Might have to legit get as many people to be on/off with their season tickets, packages, jerseys; get pledges from as many people as possible and see if you can go straight to Nicholson or Katz with it.

    Run it like it’s political activism. Get an email list together of everyone you can find that buys Oilers tickets or merchandise during the year. Find people who have done so before, but aren’t planning to next year. Ask what would change people’s minds and then draft up a list of what the ask is. What if half of the season ticket holders, and as many as possible more customers, signed a petition with those demands?

    What’s the water cooler talk at their office once word reaches them that the fans are essentially organising a campaign?

    The arena is a killer tip of the spear, considering its existence takes away the most convenient version of the “I’ll move the team” threat, and the deal Katz got with public money helps the campaign rhetorically when you’re organising and movement-building with the fans, winning passive and active support, or disabling passive opposition in the public square.

    I’m obviously daydreaming here (and it’s fun), but it wouldn’t be the unlikeliest activist campaign that’s happened, even in recent-recent history. Non-North-Americans are generally better at this stuff, but this is hometown hockey, so.

  67. Primetime says:

    Rich M:

    If Nashville is going to make a trade, my sense would be who get’s them a better return – Subban or Ellis.One of them could go to solve the problem in the middle first.

    Agree, that’s why I think it would have to be the decision of 2 GM’s who just feel they need to shake things up.

    Main part of trade would be RNH for D-man (Ellis or Subban)
    Then add in lower performer/”change of scenery” candidates Sekera (more likely) or Lucic for Turris

    Oilers get upgrade on D, Nashville upgrade on offense/center. But replacements on both teams (Sekera/Turris) have potential to bounce back and be solid contributers.

    Potential “both teams win” trade

  68. Primetime says:

    Also if you can’t get rid of Lucic, getting Turris gives you yet another centre to try and revive his career with. We already know he doesn’t fit with anyone on our roster as set

  69. SwedishPoster says:

    I also like Alex Wennberg as a buy low candidate, seems to have lost all his offensive confidence this season and is currently played as a 4.9 M fourth liner. I do think he’s a pretty good bet to return to his 60 point self in a different setting aka not under Tortorella. Pretty solid bet to break out as something beyond that as well I’d say and suddenly you have a 60+ point two way center who both PKs and can run a PP. At worst I think he’d be a good #3C who can help higher in the lineup and with the cap going up 4.9 will probably be what you pay for that. Playmaking centers aren’t exactly the biggest need but a good player is a good player and I’m pretty certain he can be a real good player. If available on the cheap and they can clear room capwise I think it’s worth it.

  70. Wilde says:

    SwedishPoster,

    I’ve thought about Wennberg too when he had one goal or whatever by February. Rumour was they were trying to move him, but this was sometime during that two-month period that Kekelainen was on the phone eight hours a day, so I’m sure a lot of stuff was said.

  71. Oil2Oilers says:

    SwedishPoster: Alex Wennberg

    As a swap for Lucic would have appeal. If reclamation as a third line center doesn’t work, the contract is more buyout friendly.

  72. Lowetide says:

    1) Who is the Oiler’s first pick? Caufield
    2) Who is the Oilers GM? Hunter
    3) Who is the Oilers Coach? Kris Knoblauch
    4) How many draft and develop players make the roster opening night from existing AHL playoff roster/Europe/College/Draft pick? Caleb Jones, Tyler Benson
    5) What team is Lucic on next year? Edmonton
    6) What team is Pool on next year? New York Rangers
    7) Which of Sek, Larsson, Benning, Nurse, Klef, Russell aren’t on open game line-up? Russell
    8) Number of roster player for roster player(s) trades? Two.
    9) Biggest off-season free-agent signing (by salary) Brett Connolly
    10) Who is Koski’s back-up game 1? Brian Elliott
    11) Which members of “OBC” sail on ? One.

  73. godot10 says:

    Lowetide:
    1) Who is the Oiler’s first pick? Caufield
    2) Who is the Oilers GM? Hunter
    3) Who is the Oilers Coach? Kris Knoblauch
    4) How many draft and develop players make the roster opening night from existing AHL playoff roster/Europe/College/Draft pick? Caleb Jones, Tyler Benson
    5) What team is Lucic on next year? Edmonton
    6) What team is Pool on next year? New York Rangers
    7) Which of Sek, Larsson, Benning, Nurse, Klef, Russell aren’t on open game line-up? Russell
    8) Number of roster player for roster player(s) trades? Two.
    9) Biggest off-season free-agent signing (by salary) Brett Connolly
    10) Who is Koski’s back-up game 1? Brian Elliott
    11) Which members of “OBC” sail on ? One.

    If Tyrion Lannister was draft eligible, Lowetide would draft him.

    I would not draft Caufield at eight. He is not Clayton Keller or Alex Debrincat. I think he is more Wahlstrom and is being zoomed.

    Count me in the NOT Caulfield camp. In the teens maybe. Not at eight.

  74. Kraz says:

    1) Who is the Oiler’s first pick? Cole Caufield
    2) Who is the Oilers GM? Kelly McCrimmon
    3) Who is the Oilers Coach? Jay Woodcroft
    4) How many draft and develop players make the roster opening night from existing AHL playoff roster/Europe/College/Draft pick, etc 4-Benson, Jones, Bear, Marody
    5) What team is Lucic on next year? Carolina
    6) What team is Pool on next year? Edmonton
    7) Which of Sek, Larsson, Benning, Nurse, Klef, Russell aren’t on open game line-up? Russell, Benning
    8) Number of roster player for roster player(s) trades? Bonus for calling it 3
    9) Biggest off-season free-agent signing (by salary) Brian Elliot 2.5 million
    10) Who is Koski’s back-up game 1? Brian Elliot
    11) Which members of “OBC” sail on ? None

  75. Kraz says:

    godot10: If Tyrion Lannister was draft eligible, Lowetide would draft him.

    I would not draft Caufield at eight.He is not Clayton Keller or Alex Debrincat.I think he is more Wahlstrom and is being zoomed.

    Count me in the NOT Caulfield camp.In the teens maybe. Not at eight.

    Wahlstrom in his draft year had 48 goals. Cole Caufield has 72. These are two very different players.

  76. pts2pndr says:

    godot10: McLeod had scant production the latter half of camp.Your eyes were fooling you if you thoughtless was remotely close to ready.

    There is more to this than him being ready. I agree that the best move is for him to go to the AHL For a year however if he is the most qualified to play the third line center position that is where he should play. The object of the exersize is to have the organizations best players at each position to make the team better. This is why I was not pleased with trading Strome.

  77. RonnieB says:

    PinkSocks: Thanks for doing this again Kinger.

    1) Peyton Krebs
    2) Mark Hunter
    3) Rocky Thompson
    4) 4 – Benson, Jones, Persson, Starrett
    5) Edmonton Oilers (*cries)
    6) Edmonton Oilers
    7) Benning & Russell
    8) 1 – Benning for Connor Brown
    9) Joonas Donskoi
    10) Shane Starrett
    11) None

    Is #4 a trick question ? Persson and Starrett were not drafted.

  78. YKOil says:

    Just want to say, from the quality of the writers and bloggers and stats NERDS, through to hunters Deathmarch and Kingers Offseason Wonderwheel, on to the discussions occasioned herein the Oilogosphere represents the best place for fans of any team, in any sport, anywhere.

    My sincere thanks to all.

  79. Waiting for a cup says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Here’s the annual off-season armchairGM of the year contest.Incumbent GM Treevojo and AGM Woogie63 have the off-season to revel in their glory:By the way, who won Hunters contest?

    – What will the Oil do this offseason?Winner get a LT donation:

    1) Who is the Oiler’s first pick?
    2) Who is the Oilers GM?
    3) Who is the Oilers Coach?
    4) How many draft and develop players make the roster opening night from existing AHL playoff roster/Europe/College/Draft pick, etc
    5) What team is Lucic on next year?
    6) What team is Pool on next year?
    7) Which of Sek, Larsson, Benning, Nurse, Klef, Russell aren’t on open game line-up?
    8) Number of roster player for roster player(s) trades? Bonus for calling it
    9) Biggest off-season free-agent signing (by salary)
    10) Who is Koski’s back-up game 1?
    11) Which members of “OBC” sail on ?

    Please answer so I can cut and paste:
    1
    2
    3

    1) Matthew Boldy
    2) Kelly McCrimmon
    3) Ken Hitchcock ( it gives the GM an extra year )
    4) 3
    5) Oilers
    6) Oilers
    7) Russell
    8) 2 Russell for draft picks. Bear/Khaira for 3rd line center
    9) Jordan Eberle ( because I really want it to happen )
    10) Brian Elliott
    11) I don’t think there is an OBC but I think Craig Mactavish/Scott Howson move on.

  80. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    RonnieB: Is #4 a trick question ? Persson and Starrett were not drafted.

    – For my purposes they are both being “developed “ by the Oil after selection. So different than a Jultz or Benning who went directly to NHL after being developed entirely by different organizations. You may have a point about Persson but this is the Oils call on his development (like keeping a kid in college)

  81. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – For my purposes they are both being “developed “ by the Oil after selection. So different than a Jultz or Benning who went directly to NHL after being developed entirely by different organizations.

    Schultz didn’t go directly to the NHL. He destroyed the AHL for 4 months.

  82. dustrock says:

    SwedishPoster:
    I also like Alex Wennberg as a buy low candidate, seems to have lost all his offensive confidence this season and is currently played as a 4.9 M fourth liner. I do think he’s a pretty good bet to return to his 60 point self in a different setting aka not under Tortorella. Pretty solid bet to break out as something beyond that as well I’d say and suddenly you have a 60+ point two way center who both PKs and can run a PP. At worst I think he’d be a good #3C who can help higher in the lineup and with the cap going up 4.9 will probably be what you pay for that. Playmaking centers aren’t exactly the biggest need but a good player is a good player and I’m pretty certain he can be a real good player. If available on the cheap and they can clear room capwise I think it’s worth it.

    Yeah Wennberg could be the next William Karlsson, I’d definitely give him a long look.

  83. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    godot10: Schultz didn’t go directly to the NHL.He destroyed the AHL for4 months.

    – Thays true. But it’s my sandbox and I get to make up the rules as I go along and I am throwing two handfuls of dirt in your face to retaliate!

  84. Material Elvis says:

    godot10: If Tyrion Lannister was draft eligible, Lowetide would draft him.

    I don’t know about his playing ability, but Nicholson should definitely have him on his short list for GM.

  85. Primetime says:

    godot10:

    I would not draft Caufield at eight.He is not Clayton Keller or Alex Debrincat.I think he is more Wahlstrom and is being zoomed.

    Count me in the NOT Caulfield camp.In the teens maybe. Not at eight.

    This brings up a question that I had. Even if you believe the above to be true, and one of the USNTDP boys are being zoomed, it at least shows that they can play with high end talent, which is a skill unto itself. Well guess what? The player we are looking for will get to play with Connor McDavid or Leon (maybe both). We are no longer looking exclusively for drivers, but maybe someone who shows they can keep up to that kind of talent and score goals. The question would be is picking at 8 too high to start thinking that way?

  86. Material Elvis says:

    YKOil:
    Just want to say, from the quality of the writers and bloggers and stats NERDS, through to hunters Deathmarch and Kingers Offseason Wonderwheel, on to the discussions occasioned herein the Oilogosphere represents the best place for fans of any team, in any sport, anywhere.

    My sincere thanks to all.

    Thanks to you, too. I’m a fan of your analysis; it’s always based on sound logic. Keep it up!

  87. Primetime says:

    godot10: Schultz didn’t go directly to the NHL.He destroyed the AHL for4 months.

    Only because of the lockout. He was destined to take the NHL opening face-off. That stint in AHL with RNH, Hall, Eberle did nothing for development, they toyed with the competition.

  88. YKOil says:

    SwedishPoster:
    I also like Alex Wennberg as a buy low candidate, seems to have lost all his offensive confidence this season and is currently played as a 4.9 M fourth liner. I do think he’s a pretty good bet to return to his 60 point self in a different setting aka not under Tortorella. Pretty solid bet to break out as something beyond that as well I’d say and suddenly you have a 60+ point two way center who both PKs and can run a PP. At worst I think he’d be a good #3C who can help higher in the lineup and with the cap going up 4.9 will probably be what you pay for that. Playmaking centers aren’t exactly the biggest need but a good player is a good player and I’m pretty certain he can be a real good player. If available on the cheap and they can clear room capwise I think it’s worth it.

    Hell of an off-season coming up.

    – Incredible Cap issues in (at least) Tampa, Toronto, and Winnipeg
    – Serious Cap issues in (at least) San Jose, Washington, and Pittsburgh
    – Florida, possibly picking up Bobrovsky and Panarin
    – which then impacts Columbus
    – do the Rangers start to reverse on their rebuild?
    – Philadelphia wants to make noise
    – Nashville needs to shake it up
    – Do Ottawa and Arizona remain viable bad contract dumping grounds?
    – Colorado has to pay Rantanen but they will have room to add, at least, one impact player
    – EXPANSION draft roster maneuvers start NOW

    And of all of those, Columbus really is the most fascinating team to watch this off-season. They could keep most of the team together or they could watch most of their high-performance players leave. Crazy.

    Colorado will be as interesting as hell to watch. Huge signing potential plus they are legit players in both a Nylander trade (Barrie) and/or a Trouba deal. Anyone else note the implication of Weal’s deal in Montreal – his salary actually DROPPED. Can see the same happening with Wilson in Colorado.

    I have never seen an off-season like this one is shaping up to be.

    EDIT to ADD: lol, never even got into Wennberg… I guess what I am saying there is that if:

    – Columbus does jump into a rebuild situation that anything can happen and all of a sudden trades to Columbus, where Wennberg is coming back, allows for all sorts of player movement (including Lucic)
    – Columbus keeps most of their big guys then dumping off Wennberg is ALSO a legit possibility as they’ll need to free up Cap and cash

  89. Alpine says:

    YKOil,

    +1. I actually get excited to read and post here more often than not.

  90. Munny says:

    YKOil,

    I dunno if they’re into trading Barrie. I don’t see that level of offensive skill available on the market, unless they’re signing Karlsson. They wouldn’t be able to replace him and they would desperately need what he does.

  91. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    russ99:
    Pescador,

    IMO, our cap fix is going to have to come from somewhere else than the #8 + Jesse trade.

    If Jesse signs as a RFA that would be for at least $2.5M and the #8 pick’s signing bonus would be $3-4M.It’s not like we’re moving no cap or salary in that deal.

    Pete, is that you? JP should be getting nowhere near $2,000,000. He should be around $1,000,000, hopefully closer to $850k, but should come in anywhere from $900K to $1.25 million on a 2 yr deal, if the GM does it right.

  92. Lowetide says:

    godot10: If Tyrion Lannister was draft eligible, Lowetide would draft him.

    I would not draft Caufield at eight.He is not Clayton Keller or Alex Debrincat.I think he is more Wahlstrom and is being zoomed.

    Count me in the NOT Caulfield camp.In the teens maybe. Not at eight.

    Lol. It’s the annual “Lowetide answers a series of questions about what he thinks the Oilers will do and immediately has it misunderstood as what he would do” post. Godot, that was impressive. It was the next post!

  93. Primetime says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: Pete, is that you?JP should be getting nowhere near $2,000,000.He should be around $1,000,000, hopefully closer to $850k, but should come in anywhere from $900K to $1.25 million on a 2 yr deal, if the GM does it right.

    He won’t get a penny less than Sam Bennett’s $1.95 million x 2, and with inflation cap raise, may actually barely crack the $2 million mark. I think we have to expect that and not crucify the new GM if that is what it ends up as…

  94. Jordan says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: Pete, is that you?JP should be getting nowhere near $2,000,000.He should be around $1,000,000, hopefully closer to $850k, but should come in anywhere from $900K to $1.25 million on a 2 yr deal, if the GM does it right.

    Oh, good. Now that I know what should happen, I can extrapolate and get ready for what the Oilers will do.

    Edit: forgot to show my work:
    1 M Base / 2 years
    Top 5 pick? +1 M
    MOAR BIGGAR +1 M
    Oilers insecurity about players leaving +2 yr
    Agent has made public trade request +1 M
    Is a player in the NHL = Full NMC

    Jesse will get 4 x 4M + Full NMC.

    #becauseoilers

  95. YKOil says:

    Munny:
    YKOil,
    I dunno if they’re into trading Barrie.I don’t see that level of offensive skill available on the market, unless they’re signing Karlsson. They wouldn’t be able to replace him and they would desperately need what he does.

    Barrie only has one year left after this so this is a way to off-load that contract risk. As well, Makar may be a game changer there and they may feel Makar plus Nylander > Barrie plus Makar

    Finally, that’s why I paired it with a possible Trouba deal.

    Could be as simple as Barrie for Nylander and OTT 1st for (a signed) Trouba.

    New line-up for RD is Johnson, Trouba, Makar
    2nd line cornerstone is Nylander

    I don’t see Sakic as being that kind of a cowboy, deals left-and-right and guns a’blazin’, but there is no question Colorado is one of the few franchises set to be able to do just that.

  96. gimme shelter says:

    Unless we get rid of Kailer we do not need another mighty mite in Caufeld.
    I would agree 2 x 3 mil forwards than 1 at 6 mil.

  97. YKOil says:

    Fox to the Rangers

    They are exiting the rebuild folks. They will use next year to finish their reset of the roster and develop Kravtsov/Kakko/Fox but they are on the way out.

  98. Darth Tu says:

    Primetime: Agree, that’s why I think it would have to be the decision of 2 GM’s who just feel they need to shake things up.

    Main part of trade would be RNH for D-man (Ellis or Subban)
    Then add in lower performer/”change of scenery” candidates Sekera (more likely) or Lucic for Turris

    Oilers get upgrade on D, Nashville upgrade on offense/center.But replacements on both teams (Sekera/Turris) have potential to bounce back and be solid contributers.

    Potential “both teams win” trade

    How about Nuge+Russell+Lucic for Turris+Subban+XXX (prospect).

    More of a wash for the Preds with cap space, and the Oilers get to keep Sekera for a year as a partner for Jones/Persson/Bouchard on the bottom pair. Possibly the prospect turns out to be a scoring winger…

    It’s all reliant on Draisatl becoming the second line center we need him to be, and some other FA coming in to take one of the top 6 jobs.

    Still, I like the idea of getting Subban in. It pushes Larsson down to the second pair, and all of a sudden Benning can be moved out for a pick/player elsewhere.

  99. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    knighttown:

    4) How many draft and develop players make the roster opening night from existing AHL playoff roster/Europe/College/Draft pick, etc3 (Persson, Jesse, Gambaedella)

    – Jessie doesn’t count (but I accept Kailer)

    – Please this format is so much easier to cut and paste answers:
    1
    2
    3
    ….

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Coiler:
    I think the notion of Hall and Eberle returning to this team would be near impossible given cap restraints. Both are going to want more money and term and it’s not in the team’s interests to give them either.

    I think it’s time to move on from them or be at risk of creating another version of the OBC.

    Sure, I’d take Hall for one year at $6M, however I would only pay a 1-year rental acquisition cost as I have zero desire to pay large UFA money for Hall’s late 20s and 30s.

    Its not just Hall but I am generally against large UFA contracts for stars in their late 20s – for the most part, payment is for what they’ve done in the past.

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    Stanley: We traded him because of a playoff slump….

    which was silly/ridiculous at the time and remains so.

    As it turns out, his play has continued to regress and he should be forced to sign for much less than the $6M AAV on his previous deal. He had less than 40 points this year.

    I think he’s a great rebound candidate, especially is away from the NYI system of 2018/19.

  102. pts2pndr says:

    Primetime: This brings up a question that I had.Even if you believe the above to be true, and one of the USNTDP boys are being zoomed, it at least shows that they can play with high end talent, which is a skill unto itself.Well guess what?The player we are looking for will get to play with Connor McDavid or Leon (maybe both).We are no longer looking exclusively for drivers, but maybe someone who shows they can keep up to that kind of talent and score goals.The question would be is picking at 8 too high to start thinking that way?

    It is strictly a judgement call in my opinion. Making the playoffs is first priority however size seems to be of greater importance in the second season when the refs let the boys play.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    London Jon: He could have been showing signs in camp that he was going to be reluctant to sign.

    And we kept him up to make him happy.

    We will (probably) never know…

    Him not signing in the 2018 calendar year was strategic by his agent, I’m sure.

    If he would have signed in the 2018 calendar year, his ELC would be subject to slide this coming year if he doesn’t play 10 NHL games, however, because he will be signing in the 2019 calendar year, it won’t be and next year will vest the first year of his ELC regardless of how many NHL games he plays.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    Pescador,

    IMO, our cap fix is going to have to come from somewhere else than the #8 + Jesse trade.

    If Jesse signs as a RFA that would be for at least $2.5M and the #8 pick’s signing bonus would be $3-4M.It’s not like we’re moving no cap or salary in that deal.

    Huh? Jesse’s next contract is likely going to come in around $1.25M – $1.5M – likely a one year deal.

    The #8s signing bonus will be $92,500 – the max allowed on an ELC. He will get performance bonuses probably in the $1M range and, if he vests any of those, he’s providing a massive value contract.

  105. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Waiting for a cup:
    11) I don’t think there is an OBC but I think Craig Mactavish/Scott Howson move on.

    – It’s not an official “club” like football club, or where Fred and Barney used to hang out: but its association of management types that has been with the organization for up to a decade (or more), who rather than get fired, get promoted, or shuffled, and likely wouldn’t get hired elsewhere at the same level.

    – This club requires a commitment to Red Wine, Bleeding Oil and Culture

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Disagree. I don’t think training camp and exhibition games mean “absolutely nothing”.

    In my opinion, as far as NHL readiness of young high skill prospects, they do.

    We see these prospects have great performances throughout camp and exhibition, year after year after year, and then prove to not be close to be NHL ready – we’ve seen it with Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, Bouchard, McLeod, etc.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    A small money bet in free agency is MPS. Pääjärvi would improve team speed add to the penalty kill and contribute more offensively than Lucic (or even Khaira).

    I recall some offensive talent when given limited ice time with Nuge. He got a steady diet of horrible center’s in his time in Edmonton, ala Yakupov. Related: commentator David S on LT Athletic article shows the boat anchor effect of Lucic on Puljujarvi, it is Wowy

    Ageeed – I was hoping to get him last off-season and would definitely welcome him on a $1M contract for this coming season.

  108. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: Lol. It’s the annual “Lowetide answers a series of questions about what he thinks the Oilers will do and immediately has it misunderstood as what he would do” post. Godot, that was impressive. It was the next post!

    It was a good opportunity for me to put on my “NOT Caufield” cap, so I went with it.

    I had the catchy opening line waiting in my back pocket, which wouldn’t really work with any other poster listing Caufield.as the expected choice.

    I was waiting for the hanging curve ball.

  109. PinkSocks says:

    RonnieB: Is #4 a trick question ? Persson and Starrett were not drafted.

    Here’s the question: 4) How many draft and develop players make the roster opening night from existing AHL playoff roster/Europe/College/Draft pick, etc

    I read it as including Euro/College free agents. Could be wrong. Kinger?

  110. godot10 says:

    YKOil: Barrie only has one year left after this so this is a way to off-load that contract risk.As well, Makar may be a game changer there and they may feel Makar plus Nylander > Barrie plus Makar

    Finally, that’s why I paired it with a possible Trouba deal.

    Could be as simple as Barrie for Nylander and OTT 1st for (a signed) Trouba.

    New line-up for RD is Johnson, Trouba, Makar
    2nd line cornerstone is Nylander

    I don’t see Sakic as being that kind of a cowboy, deals left-and-right and guns a’blazin’, but there is no question Colorado is one of the few franchises set to be able to do just that.

    Why wouldn’t Colorado do what Columbus did and just go for it next year with a killer right side of the D in Johnson, Barrie, and Makar? And then draft Byram at #4, and have Timmons and Byram coming a year from now, and not worrying about losing Barrie as a UFA.

    Why would they want Nylander? There are cheaper ways to get depth scoring. Nylander has value to a team without top line scoring. He costs too much for the 2nd line, for a team that could have Turcotte on an ELC.

  111. Bulging Twine says:

    It’s interesting to try to parse what Bob Stauffer is trying to communicate to the fanbase by what he says and how he leads his guests in questioning.

    From today’s show, in his bit with Spector on the GM search I believe he’s setting us up for a McCrimmon hire or it’s been offered to McCrimmon and they are waiting on his choice..
    They talked about him being offered jobs before taking the Vegas one and he being able to choose where he went.
    If McCrimmon doesn’t take it…Stauffer brought up Mahoney, Hunter and Gretzky.

    Spector on Oilers Now,

    ” i talked to a contact who knows McCrimmon real well, and the quote that I will share with you was, “when that interview ended in Edmonton, the guys in Edmonton probably felt like they were the ones who got interviewed”

    BTW expect a hire before Spector’s next OilersNow appearance as Bob asked, who would you hire, this may be the last time you get to do this.

  112. Lowetide says:

    godot10: It was a good opportunity for me to put on my “NOT Caufield” cap, so I went with it.

    I had the catchy opening line waiting in my back pocket, which wouldn’t really work with any other poster listing Caufield.as the expected choice.

    Lol. Well, you certainly thought it through. 🙂 My choice, given a reasonably loose list of possibles, would be Dylan Cozens. His scoring stats are very good. I don’t think he’s Gretzky, but he probably posts points at rates similar to Jake DeBrusk moving forward. That’s a good player.

  113. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    1 Peyton Krebs
    2 McCrimmon
    3 Dave Hakstol
    4 3
    5 Oilers
    6 Oilers
    7 Larsson
    8 Larsson for Rasmus Ristolainen
    9 Brett Connolly ( Alex Chaisson signs for less than Connolly)
    10 Curtis McElhinney
    11 None

    Thank You.

  114. Lowetide says:

    e-Oilers John 🇨🇦 ✈️
    @OilersJohn
    Kyper says Ken Holland is still a possibility for GM in Edmonton.

  115. PinkSocks says:

    SwedishPoster,

    I meant to ask you the other day. Albin Grewe is my pick for the 2nd rounder if he lasts to #38. Thoughts on him? I view him as a heavier version of Brad Marchand. Scored at every level and a complete prick.

  116. RonnieB says:

    incubo_nero:
    CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

    FORWARDS (14)
    Right wing: Zack Kassian ($1,950,000) – Sam Gagner ($3,150,000) – Jesse Puljujärvi ($1,500,000) – Cooper Marody ($925,000) – Brandon Pirri ($900,000)
    Centre: Connor McDavid ($12,500,000) – Leon Draisaitl ($8,500,000) – Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6,000,000) – Colby Cave ($675,000)
    Left wing: Micheal Ferland ($3,250,000) – Tyler Toffoli ($4,600,000) – Richard Pánik ($2,950,000) – Jujhar Khaira ($850,000) – Joseph Gambardella ($850,000)

    DEFENSE (7)
    Right: Adam Larsson ($4,166,666) – Matthew Benning ($1,900,000) – Joel Persson ($1,000,000)
    Left: Oscar Klefbom ($4,167,000) – Andrej Sekera ($5,500,000) – Darnell Nurse ($3,200,000) – Caleb Jones ($720,000)

    GOALTENDER (2)
    Mikko Koskinen ($4,500,000) – Curtis McElhinney ($1,250,000)

    AHL BURIED (3)

    Brandon Manning ($1,175,000) – Kyle Brodziak ($75,000) – Ryan Spooner ($2,025,000)

    BUYOUTS (2)
    Benoit Pouliot ($1,333,333) – Eric Gryba ($300,000)

    DETAILS
    Roster Size: 23
    Salary Cap: $82,000,000
    Cap Hit: $79,911,999
    Cap Space: $2,088,001

    Ok. I’ll bite.
    Where does the $10 million owing to Lucic and Russell disappear to ?
    Do you have the Oilers making a trade to re-acquire Spooner so they can bury him in the AHL ?

  117. incubo_nero says:

    RonnieB,

    Yeah, should have typed that in at the top.
    Some unlikely trades occur to arrive at that result:
    Russell & a 4th [2020] to LA for Toffoli. McLellan vouches for Russell, and Toffoli recovers to be a 10-15 goal scorer.
    Lucic and a 4th {2021] to VAN for Spooner, who is buried.

    Neither of these things is happening.

  118. Bulging Twine says:

    Lowetide: Lol. Well, you certainly thought it through. My choice, given a reasonably loose list of possibles, would be Dylan Cozens. His scoring stats are very good. I don’t think he’s Gretzky, but he probably posts points at rates similar to Jake DeBrusk moving forward. That’s a good player.

    I was trying to think of comparables for the top prospects and that’s the guy I thought of for Cozens as well. Valuable player for sure. And I think Cozens has a better shot (or the potential for a better shot). I like the way Cozens gets open for the pass.

    I haven’t been able to find a comparable for Dach. I know some say Getzlaf and that may be right. I think Dach is lighter on his feet (more agile) with better acceleration.
    Dach is real strong like Getzlaf. He goes where he wants to go and you ain’t stopping him. He shields the puck tremendously well.
    He isn’t nasty like Getzlaf

  119. russ99 says:

    Maoriduvpoojt,

    Agent holds all the cards. No lowball is going to happen here.

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    Friedman reporting that Vegas has still not given permission to speak with McCrimmon but that is expected this week. Also mentioned that McCrimmon would want full autonomy.

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    From Friedman:

    . We know Mark Hunter’s had two interviews with Edmonton. Now that the Under-18s are over, we’re going to find out if Ken Holland and Kelly McCrimmon are legitimate possibilities for the Oilers. The Red Wings took care of Holland, putting him in a position where he doesn’t need to chase. He has to decide if he wants to pursue this. As I write this, Vegas has not yet granted official permission for Edmonton to meet with McCrimmon, although an answer is expected at some point this week. He is, however, expected to ask for autonomy, and it will be interesting to see how the Oilers respond to that.

    4. The list of those interviewed for the Oilers job is believed to include Sean Burke, John Ferguson, Mike Futa, Ross Mahoney, Scott Mellanby and Pat Verbeek. Mike Gillis had a phone interview, but nothing in-person. If Holland and/or McCrimmon do not interview, will someone from this group re-enter the picture? It sure sounds like the organization wants someone in place in the next week-to-10 days. They are delaying scouting meetings until the new leader is hired, which makes sense.

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Schultz didn’t go directly to the NHL.He destroyed the AHL for4 months.

    Only due to the lockout – he wouldn’t have seen a minute of AHL time otherwise.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    YKOil,

    I dunno if they’re into trading Barrie.I don’t see that level of offensive skill available on the market, unless they’re signing Karlsson. They wouldn’t be able to replace him and they would desperately need what he does.

    I think the premise is the Cale Makar will factor in to this.

  124. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    No shit, really?

    lol.

    I think the answer is too obvious… you give Makar an actual NHL season before needlessly blowing up your back end. Unless you’re bringing in an FA. That doesn’t really need to be stated, does it?

  125. Glovjuice says:

    godot10: If Tyrion Lannister was draft eligible, Lowetide would draft him.

    I would not draft Caufield at eight.He is not Clayton Keller or Alex Debrincat.I think he is more Wahlstrom and is being zoomed.

    Count me in the NOT Caulfield camp.In the teens maybe. Not at eight.

    Yup, would be another Yamo unforced error.

  126. Professor Q says:

    Why are people still talking about Ken Holland in Edmonton?

    He just got extended and promoted in Detroit.

    He isn’t going anywhere, and should be left alone.

  127. Glovjuice says:

    pts2pndr: There is more to this than him being ready. I agree that the best move is for him to go to the AHL For a year however if he is the most qualified to play the third line center position that is where he should play. The object of the exersize is to have the organizations best players at each position to make the team better. This is why I was not pleased with trading Strome.

    Are you sure you and I didn’t totally get into it over that trade with you taking the exact opposite view? I don’t recall for sure but I am sure it was you. I said horrendous trade.

  128. Glovjuice says:

    YKOil:
    Just want to say, from the quality of the writers and bloggers and stats NERDS, through to hunters Deathmarch and Kingers Offseason Wonderwheel, on to the discussions occasioned herein the Oilogosphere represents the best place for fans of any team, in any sport, anywhere.

    My sincere thanks to all.

    Thanks for this. I do what I can 🦋

  129. Todd Macallan says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    1. Cozens
    2. Mccrimmon
    3. Knoblauch
    4. Benson, Jones
    5. Kings
    6. Oilers
    7. Russell
    8. 1, Russell + 1M retained for Burakovsky (see: new coach)
    9. Ebs!
    10. Starrett
    11. Howson, Sutter, MacT

  130. Bulging Twine says:

    Some seriously playoff hockey happening in Columbus tonight!
    Intense and very physical.

    I don’t know if CLB can keep this up through two more rounds. They must all be on painkillers by now.

  131. Bulging Twine says:

    Video review people making up new rules – “continuous play”
    1st time i’ve heard that one
    Is Colin Campbell in there still helping Boston out?

  132. Hemsky is a gangsta says:

    Bulging Twine,

    Did anyone else hear this? It seems to contradict what Friedman said. I also read another comment on here a few days ago that said both Gregor and Stauffer seemed to hint at contact already being made with McCrimmon.

  133. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Alpine:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    1. Peyton Krebs
    2. McCrimmon
    3. Lane Lambert
    4. Two. Jones and Benson.
    5. Boston via Ottawa, with the Oilers and Sens retaining salary.
    6. Oilers, maybe somewhere else mid-season
    7. Russell and Benning
    8. 3, Lucic for Zack Smith, Benning for a forward, Russell for a cheaper RD (TvR, Pateryn).
    9. Joonas Donskoi 3 x 3.25
    10. James Reimer
    11. Howson, Sutter, MacT all gone. Yeah I’m going for it on this one, lol.

    FYI, Donskoi has only dressed for 3 of 9 play-off games. He’s not scored since early January. So I’d expect he’d be much cheaper. I think he was injured on 12 Jan vs Ottawa, where he only had 5 shifts. His last goal was 10 Jan which was the tail end of a heater where he scored 8 goals in 7 games or 9 in 11 games. Previous to that he had 5 goals in 35 games.

    Added together that is 5 goals in 70 games.

  134. Bulging Twine says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    From Friedman:

    . We know Mark Hunter’s had two interviews with Edmonton. Now that the Under-18s are over, we’re going to find out if Ken Holland and Kelly McCrimmon are legitimate possibilities for the Oilers. The Red Wings took care of Holland, putting him in a position where he doesn’t need to chase. He has to decide if he wants to pursue this. As I write this, Vegas has not yet granted official permission for Edmonton to meet with McCrimmon, although an answer is expected at some point this week. He is, however, expected to ask for autonomy, and it will be interesting to see how the Oilers respond to that.

    4. The list of those interviewed for the Oilers job is believed to include Sean Burke, John Ferguson, Mike Futa, Ross Mahoney, Scott Mellanby and Pat Verbeek. Mike Gillis had a phone interview, but nothing in-person. If Holland and/or McCrimmon do not interview, will someone from this group re-enter the picture? It sure sounds like the organization wants someone in place in the next week-to-10 days. They are delaying scouting meetings until the new leader is hired, which makes sense.

    hmmm
    and Shannon said yesterday that Vegas was mad at the league and generally not in a participating or sharing mood. Suggesting that permission had not yet been granted cuz they were grumpy.

    Putting the pieces together, here’s my take.

    Nicholson respects Holland a lot and is keeping the door open for him but Holland has not yet said he’s interested.

    They want to and will interview McCrimmon. He’s the hard target.

    No one they have interviewed to this point has wowed them enough to not wait on McCrimmon.

    If it doesn’t work out with McCrimmon the next tier of candidates are Hunter and Mahoney

  135. Bulging Twine says:

    Hemsky is a gangsta:
    Bulging Twine,

    Did anyone else hear this? It seems to contradict what Friedman said. I also read another comment on here a few days ago that said both Gregor and Stauffer seemed to hint at contact already being made with McCrimmon.

    I would suggest that perhaps Spector’s quote from his contact was more meant as a description of the type of person McCrimmon is. Also it was told in the context of a question on who would garner or demand the most autonomy. So “when that interview ended” could be replaced by “when that interview ends”.
    I would probably lean to what Friedman said.
    I did not hear about Gregor and Stauffer’s hints at a contract. Is there a link anywhere on that?

  136. Scungilli Slushy says:

    pts2pndr: It is strictly a judgement call in my opinion. Making the playoffs is first priority however size seems to be of greater importance in the second season when the refs let the boys play.

    I think we’re seeing size play more of a role, but it’s not really size in itself. I’m also seeing first steps and edges mattering.

    What is winning is teams with players that can win battles especially on the walls, and generate scoring chances from it . Also having the skating level to stay on top of opponents on the forecheck and in front of them in the D zone.

    Size doesn’t determine those attributes but it is much harder for smaller players to be effective because they have to be tremendous with technique and stick to deal with taller stronger players especially if those players are also good skaters.

    Sluggish skaters of any size also struggle, constantly chasing, not helping enough. A few players have enough offensive chops to not need those things, but not too many as I see it.

  137. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide,

    Dang Those are very good choices. I was going to make my own but it closely mimics yours
    I’ll make a trade guess so I’m not just leaching
    JP + 2nd for Buchnevich and Georgiev
    Lundqvist and Shestyorkin are the goalies for Rags so they don’t need him and Buchnevich has frustrated them

  138. Pescador says:

    Bulging Twine: I would suggest that perhaps Spector’s quote from his contact was more meant as a description of the type of person McCrimmon is.Also it was told in the context of a question on who would garner or demand the most authority.So “when that interview ended” could be replaced by “when that interview ends”.
    I would probably lean to what Friedman said.
    I did not hear about Gregor and Stauffer’s hints at a contract.Is there a link anywhere on that?

    I’m going to call it now, McCrimmon is going to take a hard pass on Edmonton.
    Listening to Rishaug and others it sounds like he’s not too concerned about becoming a GM if it means he has to det his start in Edmonton.
    It’s a shame if my suspicions are correct, I also feel like he might be the best candidate for the job.
    Chiarelli & the Brassholes have left such a shit on the floor that the best options are not interested.
    Hunter is the consolation guy IMO

  139. Alpine says:

    Maoriduvpoojt,

    Well even better for us if he’s cheaper. I think under 3 mil is good for a guy who’s usually around 30 ES points.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    OriginalPouzar,

    No shit, really?

    lol.

    I think the answer is too obvious… you give Makar an actual NHL season before needlessly blowing up your back end.Unless you’re bringing in an FA.That doesn’t really need to be stated, does it?

    Good talk!

  141. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer:
    Lowetide,

    Dang Those are very good choices. I was going to make my own but it closely mimics yours
    I’ll make a trade guess so I’m not just leaching
    JP + 2nd forBuchnevich and Georgiev
    Lundqvist and Shestyorkin are the goalies for Rags so they don’t need him and Buchnevich has frustrated them

    That NYR trade is an interesting idea. Georgiev would be a very astute acquisition, might not get him this time next season.

  142. flyfish1168 says:

    Is Marchants punch to the back of the head of CBJ player suspension worthy?
    I say yes. Time we take non-hockey related dirty plays more seriously. Repeat offender and dirty play equals 2 games.

  143. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide: That NYR trade is an interesting idea. Georgiev would be a very astute acquisition, might not get him this time next season.

    We need to bring in a younger guy that has potential to be a starting goalie. I don’t think Koskinen is a long term solution and we should be using this time to break in a young goalie and using Koskinen as a mentor. Our system is lacking a blue chip G prospect. I would be very happy if we could get Koskinen and Georgiev as costarters or Samsonov as a backup in a development year next year
    Elliott works in a pinch for a year or two but he’s lost so many starting jobs that when the pressure gets high I don’t want to be relying on him. Now Koskinen May have had some difficulties with transition from KHL to NHL that these Russian goalies have (see Francouz and Samsonovs first half for reference). That combined with our awful D made the year bumpy so hoping he is more settled next year but if he isn’t we need to have a plan for a real starter and quick. I want a guy that can play 50 games and give us quality starts of 0.666

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    Signing Hayden Hawkey would be a nice start.

  145. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Signing Hayden Hawkey would be a nice start.

    I believe that ship has sailed.

  146. OriginalPouzar says:

    It seems that way but I don’t get it. From what I’ve gleamed, the organization doesn’t have interest which doesn’t really make sense as he’s done nothing but exceed expectations since they gave up a 5th for him. Given they need an experienced backup/1B guy meaning Starrett is destined for the AHL again, I get the log jam but still.

    Maybe the player has zero interest in signing.

  147. Bulging Twine says:

    Lowetide: I believe that ship has sailed.

    Because they kept their #8 Defenceman at the trade deadline who ended up not playing one minute and now they have no contract slots?

  148. Bulging Twine says:

    The OilKnight came out with his draft rankings

    http://theoilknight.ca/2019/04/30/top-31-prospects/

    Interesting NHL Comparison on Dylan Cozens: Evander Kane minus the nastiness.

    Kane scored 61-48-48-96 in his draft year
    Cozens 68-34-50-84

    But yeah, I agree, similar type player.

  149. slopitch says:

    Bulging Twine:
    The OilKnight came out with his draft rankings

    http://theoilknight.ca/2019/04/30/top-31-prospects/

    Interesting NHL Comparison on Dylan Cozens: Evander Kane minus the nastiness.

    Kane scored 61-48-48-96 in his draft year
    Cozens 68-34-50-84

    But yeah, I agree, similar type player.

    1.57 ppg vs 1.23 ppg. Similar player just less offensive and mean 😉

    I know nothing about Cozens fwiw

  150. Bulging Twine says:

    slopitch: 1.57 ppg vs 1.23 ppg. Similar player just less offensive and mean

    I know nothing about Cozens fwiw

    haha ya, Kane light.
    Similar build, similar skating style and speed, similar playing style – not great playmakers, more rush players that look to shoot. Decent in the corners.

  151. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    Primetime: He won’t get a penny less than Sam Bennett’s $1.95 million x 2, and with inflation cap raise, may actually barely crack the $2 million mark.I think we have to expect that and not crucify the new GM if that is what it ends up as…

    That doesn’t sense, Bennett scored 18 goals in his first season, played in 241 regular season NHL games and played exactly 0 AHL games during his 1st contract.

    Jesse has a total of 17 goals & 20 assists in 139 games, while Bennett was 42 goals & 47 assists in his 241 games , plus 2 goals in 4 play-off games before holding out through the summer before signing, and actually holding out until close to Training Camp until he finally signed in early September.

    Seems like his agent is earning his money.

  152. JimmyV1965 says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: That doesn’t sense, Bennett scored 18 goals in his first season, played in 241 regular season NHL games and played exactly 0 AHL games during his 1st contract.

    Jesse has a total of 17 goals & 20 assists in 139 games, while Bennett was 42 goals & 47 assists in his 241 games , plus 2 goals in 4 play-off games before holding out through the summer before signing, and actually holding out until close to Training Camp until he finally signed in early September.

    Seems like his agent is earning his money.

    I’m not sure the Oilers would cave if JP holds out. Can he play in Europe if he decides to hold out?

  153. slopitch says:

    I do find it odd that steve yzerman is held with such regard and yet the guy he learned his trade from, Holland, for 4 years is considered such a unanimously bad choice. And that most people who dislike Holland cite his age but hes only 5 years older than McCrimmon. Holland is younger than Lou Lamoreillo by 13 years.

    Im playing devils advocate here but im less interested in age. Im a big fan of life time learners. Id consider the author of this blog a fine example.

    Understood his body of work has been poor for 5 years. But its tough to throw in the towel when your top of the league for 20 years. Probably about as tough as it is to stay competitive losing Lidstrom, Zetterberg and Datsyuk in a 5 year stretch.

    Holland is not my first choice but i know almost nothing about whats actually being said. If they fire several and build an analytics department ill be happy. They just cant stay the course.

  154. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m not sure the Oilers would cave if JP holds out. Can he play in Europe if he decides to hold out?

    Yes, he has that option, but his agent has stated that his goal is to play in the NHL next season.

    And here’s my rant warning…..Frankly I don’t understand how that could be seen as an option based on his actual results. There is so much manure spread by sound byters and click baiters, it all too often blurs the lines of fact and fiction.

    The fact is Jesse is still not 21, has played portions of 3 seasons in the NHL and has yet to put together a solid season, but those of us who have watched him can see the player in there. His results to date, IMO, should net him a 2 year x $900,000 contract. This is far better than he could get in Europe, KHL excepted.

    He isn’t a draft bust (yet) but if the team doesn’t support him in his development, which they clearly have not, then the failure should be placed at the feet of management, just like in Yakupov’s case, it’s not all on the player.

    They need to put him in a position to succeed and THEY have clearly failed to do so.

  155. Pescador says:

    slopitch:

    Holland is younger than Lou Lamoreillo by 13 years.

    Ya but that doesn’t really count because Lamoreillo
    is actually a zombie & will still be an NHL GM long after we are all gone

  156. jeetz says:

    Who is the Oiler’s first pick?
    2) Who is the Oilers GM?
    3) Who is the Oilers Coach?
    4) How many draft and develop players make the roster opening night from existing AHL playoff roster/Europe/College/Draft pick, etc
    5) What team is Lucic on next year?
    6) What team is Pool on next year?
    7) Which of Sek, Larsson, Benning, Nurse, Klef, Russell aren’t on open game line-up?
    8) Number of roster player for roster player(s) trades? Bonus for calling it
    9) Biggest off-season free-agent signing (by salary)
    10) Who is Koski’s back-up game 1?
    11) Which members of “OBC” sail on ?

    1 Alex Turcotte
    2 Sean Burke
    3 Kris Knoblauch
    4 1…jones
    5 Vancouver
    6 Winnipeg
    7 Russel
    8 Puljujarvi. For Trouba, Kadri for Yamamoto + Russel
    9 ROBIN LEHNER
    10 none, he is the backup
    11 mctavish, Duane Sutter, Scott Howson, Bob Green

  157. SwedishPoster says:

    SwedishPoster:

    Gus Nyqvist would be a solid add to the top 6, great hands around the net, fine skater and great offensive smarts, so so defensively, I could see him potting 30 goals on Nuge’s wing and even more with the other two big dogs but his wife who I think is from somewhere near the Detroit area is due with their first baby this spring/summer so I wouldn’t be surprised to see him resign with Detroit or at least a time somewhat nearby to be close to her family. So Edmonton doesn’t seem likely.

    Funny enough Nyqvist’s wife must pretty have given birth while I wrote this. Apparently he flew back and forth between Denver and Detroit as his child was born yesterday. Congrats to the Nyqvist family.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bulging Twine: Because they kept their #8 Defenceman at the trade deadline who ended up not playing one minute and now they have no contract slots?

    They have contract room under the 50 to sign both he and McLeod.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maoriduvpoojt: Yes, he has that option, but his agent has stated that his goal is to play in the NHL next season.

    And here’s my rant warning…..Frankly I don’t understand how that could be seen as an option based on his actual results.There is so much manure spread by sound byters and click baiters, it all too often blurs the lines of fact and fiction.

    The fact is Jesse is still not 21, has played portions of 3 seasons in the NHL and has yet to put together a solid season, but those of us who have watched him can see the player in there.His results to date, IMO, should net him a 2 year x $900,000 contract.This is far better than he could get in Europe, KHL excepted.

    He isn’t a draft bust (yet) but if the team doesn’t support him in his development, which they clearly have not, then the failure should be placed at the feet of management, just like in Yakupov’s case, it’s not all on the player.

    They need to put him in a position to succeed and THEY have clearly failed to do so.

    Jesse will likely get a pedigree bump in his second contract to the range of $1.25M to $1.5M. I am OK with that and believe that it will be a value contract as Jesse will outperform that cap hit.

    Of course, part of that is contigent on him signing in a timely matter and not “holding out” and missing any part of training camp. This kid cannot afford not to have a solid summer and then a full training camp. He needs to be ready to roll come October because he is going to be on the NHL team.

    His agency group best give him good advise and get him signed early. I believe his agency group has done his development a disservice by pressuring Oiler management (or whatever they’ve done) to play as few games in the AHL and maximize money earned over his ELC. Playing 11 games in his 18 year old season has caused his waiver exemption to expire meaning the AHL is essentially a non-option and that is likely the best place for this player.

    Its incumbent on the Oiler coaching staff to develop the player this year – he must be given consistent minutes with consistent linemates somewhere in the top 9. He needs to play 15 plus ES minutes night in and night out. Let the kid get comfortable and gain traction. Let him play without fear of ramification for a turnover at the blue line.

    Go Jesse.

  160. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: From what I’ve gleamed

    You’re a shining light, OP.

  161. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    LT,

    I try to listen to the show when I drive while at work, but I am 250 km or so away, so this experience is kind of a radio equivalent of watching through the snowy 80’s ITV Oiler game broadcasts as a yute (I grew up without cable approximately 80 km West of the city, a 10 minute walk up the hill through the fields away, grandma had crystal-clear reception, but we lived about 120m in elevation below her). Damn you 1260, why are your signals so weak, yet 630’s is so strong? While working in Ft Mac I could get 630 and even 960 out of Cowtown, but not 1260, same while living East of Wainwright.

    Anyhooo, I haven’t been reading the comments section much in the past week, so I may have missed something more about this. You were talking about a new Oiler uni, does anyone have a link?

  162. Lowetide says:

    Maoriduvpoojt:
    LT,

    I try to listen to the show when I drive while at work, but I am 250 km or so away, so this experience is kind of a radio equivalent of watching through the snowy 80’s ITV Oiler game broadcasts as a yute (I grew up without cable approximately 80 km West of the city, a 10 minute walk up the hill through the fields away, grandma had crystal-clear reception, but we lived about 120m in elevation below her).Damn you 1260, why are your signals so weak, yet 630’s is so strong?While working in Ft Mac I could get 630 and even 960 out of Cowtown, but not 1260, same while living East of Wainwright.

    Anyhooo, I haven’t been reading the comments section much in the past week, so I may have missed something more about this.You were talking about a new Oiler uni, does anyone have a link?

    If you have twitter:

    https://twitter.com/mschoenhardt/status/1123000604656263168

  163. London Jon says:

    OriginalPouzar: Jesse will likely get a pedigree bump in his second contract to the range of $1.25M to $1.5M.I am OK with that and believe that it will be a value contract as Jesse will outperform that cap hit.

    Of course, part of that is contigent on him signing in a timely matter and not “holding out” and missing any part of training camp.This kid cannot afford not to have a solid summer and then a full training camp.He needs to be ready to roll come October because he is going to be on the NHL team.

    His agency group best give him good advise and get him signed early. I believe his agency group has done his development a disservice by pressuring Oiler management (or whatever they’ve done) to play as few games in the AHL and maximize money earned over his ELC.Playing 11 games in his 18 year old season has caused his waiver exemption to expire meaning the AHL is essentially a non-option and that is likely the best place for this player.

    Its incumbent on the Oiler coaching staff to develop the player this year – he must be given consistent minutes with consistent linemates somewhere in the top 9.He needs to play 15 plus ES minutes night in and night out.Let the kid get comfortable and gain traction.Let him play without fear of ramification for a turnover at the blue line.

    Go Jesse.

    I’d be very happy if we get him signed to that.

    Suspect his agent is going to be telling him not to sign for anything sub $2m, maybe even sub 2.5m

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    London Jon: I’d be very happy if we get him signed to that.

    Suspect his agent is going to be telling him not to sign for anything sub $2m, maybe even sub 2.5m

    If that’s the case then his agency group will be doing his career another huge disservice and I’ll start to blame his advisers more than the Oilers for his development issues. His advisers have already created the situation where he played as few AHL games as possible which has led to reduced development but also has lost his waiver exemptions and essentially precludes his placement in the AHL – thus reducing future development opportunities.

    If his agency group advises him to not sign a reasonable contract and “hold out” for that egregious AAV you mention then he will likely be missing training camp and the early season which will set him up for yet another poor year and even more lost development.

    What will get Jesse more career earnings is to sign a reasonable contract based on performance $1.25M and be ready to play. Presumably the new coaching staff gives him consistent top 9 minutes with consistent linemates and I believe he will take material steps forward.

    If they demand an egregious contract, it will set this season up to fail for Jesse.

  165. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide: If you have twitter:

    https://twitter.com/mschoenhardt/status/1123000604656263168

    If you have twitter, you have at least one internets. You only need one internets to get I Heart Radio or Tune-In radio. From these you can stream the show, but watch your data, eh?

  166. russ99 says:

    London Jon,

    I’d go low on the QO, since there’s very little chance he signs that, but I agree his agent is going to play hardball. The Oilers messed up his development and started the RFA clock early, so there’s not going to be any kind of discount based on NHL stats or level of play, he’s still a high draft pick and if the Oilers don’t value him, someone else will. $1.75M would be rock bottom, IMO.

    Wouldn’t shock me if Jesse’s agent goes out looking for offer sheets, playing up how other teams succeeded with players in the past that we messed up.

  167. Andy Dufresne says:

    who:
    Two points on your 6 million dollar men LT.
    7. Dougie Hamilton. Big acquisition by Carolina this summer. His 3rd team in a 7 year career? Started the season on the Canes top pair with Slavin. But when push came to shove in these playoffs, suddenly he’s on the 3rd pair and Brindamour is using Pesce and Slavin as his shut down pair. Hamilton has posted good to great numbers since he came in the league. And at times he looks like a number 1 dman, mostly in the ozone. But there is something wrong with this guy.
    5. Nik Ehlers. I suggested a Klefbom for Ehlers and Nisku trade on the last thread. Not sure I would do it but it is something to think about. The only position the Oilers seem to have the strength and depth to trade from is lefty dman. Klefbom or Nurse also bring the best value back in a trade.Klefboms contract is a beaut, but that also increases his value. Ehlers contract might look just as good in a year or two. The trade would definitely weaken the defense next year, and probably the year after. But it instantly creates 2 scoring lines for the Oilers. In 2 years Jones and Samarukov are ready to be major contributors and Ehlers is still under contract for 4 more years. Klefbom would have 2 years left on his. Am I crazy?

    You are at least in the ballpark when it comes to the cost to trade for Ehlers, IMO. The ask starts with Klefbom and if the Oilers were in a normal cap position it would be worth considering. However, we are hamstrung by the cap constraints at this time, and value contracts are more valuable to the Oilers than to the average team.

    The equation is almost like Ehlers OR Klefbom, Connolly, Riley Nash.

    To answer your question, it is worth considering but may be a luxury we cannot afford, in terms of roster balance.

  168. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lowetide: That NYR trade is an interesting idea. Georgiev would be a very astute acquisition, might not get him this time next season.

    From what Ive seen of Georgiev, youre already too late. He is the heir apparent to replace Lundqvuist in the very near future.

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