Moving Week

We’re close now, the rumors are getting stronger and many of those rumors are bringing the crazy. I expect we’ll know well before May long and might know by this weekend.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group.INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: Should Oilers practice more patience in adding Evan Bouchard to the roster?
  • Jonathan Willis: Is Ken Holland yesterday’s man or the ideal GM candidate for the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi and his uncertain future with the Oilers
  • Lowetide: ‘I see something special’: Are Oilers prepared to make Caleb Jones a fixture on the roster next season?
  • Jonathan Willis: Gritty comeback performance sends Edmonton’s farm team to the second round of the AHL playoffs.
  • Lowetide: Dylan Cozens might be ideal fit for Oilers at No. 8 overall in the 2019 draft
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Hard to please, but easy to work for’: How Sean Burke’s philosophy as a GM would benefit the Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A dogged realist, Kelly McCrimmon’s resume makes him an attractive candidate for the Oilers GM job
  • New Lowetide: Is this the season the Oilers take the plunge and draft a USHL player in the first round?
  • Jonathan Willis: Top Oilers prospect Evan Bouchard stars in his first AHL game as Condors dominate.
  • Lowetide: Adam Larsson’s importance to the Oilers and why trading him is a bad idea.
  • Lowetide: Tyler Benson’s comparables offer Oilers fans plenty of hope for the future.
  • Lowetide: Making the call on the Oilers’ RFAs with a new general manager on the way.
  • Lowetide: Red Wings front office shuffle could impact Oilers’ future.
  • Jonathan Willis: Potential coaching candidates and why the Oilers don’t need to rush the GM search to get one
  • Lowetide: The Milan Lucic saga rolls into Year 4 for Oilers with no easy answers
  • Jonathan Willis: Who stays and who goes? An early projection of which players will remain on the Oilers’ roster in 2019-20
  • LowetideHow high can these Condors fly?
  • Lowetide: The Oilers possible summer trade pieces, and which longtime players might be saying goodbye.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ten prospects likely to be available when the Oilers make their first-round pick

LOWETIDE GM RANKER

This isn’t order of preference, it’s most likely to least likely. If I had a vote it would be dead Sam Pollock. He’d still be formidable.

1 Ken Holland. Nicholson hires Holland, who can mentor Keith Gretzky. You might think this is crazy, but I can see it happening just this way. If Nicholson is interested in getting a big name, Holland is the guy. Suspect he would want POHO and GM.

2 Kelly McCrimmon. He would have knowledge of the Golden Knights plans and draft list, might end up being a situation similar to Chiarelli when he left the Senators (except Edmonton won’t sign Zdeno Chara). Will Nicholson give McCrimmon everything he wants? I doubt Holland has the same ask, simply because he’d have the authority automatically.

3 Mark Hunter. If Holland doesn’t want the job and McCrimmon’s get out of jail free card doesn’t work, it’ll be Hunter. If Nicholson has grown accustomed to the idea of being head man in hockey ops (de facto POHO), Hunter gets the job.

Holland would be interesting as Oilers general manager. He spends more on goaltending than recent Oilers general managers ($8.2 million last season) and his teams have made the playoffs 10 times (one Stanley, another final) since losing to Edmonton spring 2006. He might buy out Koskinen and bring in a $7 million goalie. I think he would add older players and the department of youth would be stacked and racked for the immediate future.

RYAN MCLEOD SIGNS

Edmonton signed Ryan McLeod yesterday, the first significant addition in some time. I haven’t run the NHLE’s in a few weeks, here they are with newcomers in black and bold.

Offensively there are three newcomers with higher NHLE’s, including two defencemen. Mr. McLeod is unlikely to make loud noises in the opposition end, but his speed will sustain him as a prospect through the entry deal and beyond. If he can learn how to score some goals, and that’s possible (Jason Chimera did it), McLeod can be a useful player. He has an idea about how to play the game without the puck, we saw it last fall. He has the leather, needs more wood.

I imagine people will be calling him a disappointment around Christmas, hell people said that about Evan Bouchard so it’s inevitable. I think it’s fine to acknowledge his shortcomings, but it would also be a fine idea to let him find his own way. Draft +5, ladies and men. Many miles to go.

50-MAN ROSTER

The new man is going to be well pleased with the defensive group, both NHL current (Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse) and the group bubbling up represented by Bouchard, Samorukov and others.

Holland may view McLeod as a future Darren Helm, and that has value. We shouldn’t expect the young center to play a full NHL season before 2021-22. That’s my opinion.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. We’ll have Ryan Holt from Bakersfield as the Condors get ready for their next challange, plus Greyson Knutson from FC Edmonton to talk about the new league and the big game! Frank Seravalli from TSN will chat playoffs and Oilers GM. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Vegas promotes their current AGM to GM (meaning the verbal about the Oilers not even being able to officially speak to him seem very logical) and somehow the Oiler fan base are able to use that to spew vitriol towards the current Oiler regime. Somehow its also proof that nothing is changing with the Oilers and cause for some to even posit that they will no longer be a fan of the Oilers soon.Wild stuff.

    Totally agree. The Oiler fan base is broken, but that can be directly linked to two decades of ineptitude. If McCrimmon turned down a job in any other market, there would be none of this conspiracy rhetoric. He world simply be viewed as a man who liked where he was and the team he was working for. In Edmonton though it’s just further proof of the machinations of the OBC. Although I think it’s quite insane, I understand how the fan base has arrived here.

  2. Numenius says:

    Bulging Twine:
    whoa, Kypreos just said that Gretzky today said that he felt he is not in the running…

    then, someone help me out…

    did he say that Hunter is out too?
    and that it’s Hollands job to lose?

    Did anyone PVR the Av’s game?Watch the 2nd intermission and get a quote

    Kypreos said “Elliot, hearing that Keith Gretzky felt tonight that he was not in the running. It doesn’t appear the focus either is on Mark Hunter. So maybe it’s Ken Holland’s job or negotiation to lose.”

  3. Bulging Twine says:

    Numenius: Kypreos said “Elliot, hearing that Keith Gretzky felt tonight that he was not in the running. It doesn’t appear the focus either is on Mark Hunter. So maybe it’s Ken Holland’s job or negotiation to lose.”

    Thanks Numenius!!

  4. JimmyV1965 says:

    Georgexs: What’s the “more” part? And how do I evaluate how good Hunter, McCrimmon, Burke, Gillman, or Gretzky will be at the “more” part when none of them have been a GM before. What’s the signal I’m looking for? What makes people sure the others CAN and Gretzky CAN’T?

    As for “I don’t mind his drafting record”, you must be a connoisseur. Whose 3-year drafting record do you prefer to 1D, 4D, 1RW, 2LW, 3RW, and (through the Donato trade) 3C?

    What are the bad trades?

    I may have made an in the room argument against Gretzky myself. Not my proudest moment.

    Gretzky may have been in the room. I wasn’t.

    Knocking it out of the park yet again tonight.

  5. Jaxon says:

    Georgexs: If Wikipedia is right, Keith Gretzky was in charge for Boston’s 14, 15, and 16 drafts.

    Notable picks in those years:

    Pastrnak
    Donato (became Coyle)
    Heinen
    DeBrusk
    Carlo
    McAvoy

    He missed on Barzal and other big names with 2 of his 3 picks in round 1 in 2015.

    But that’s 1 first line player (second only to Drai for career points in his draft class), 1 second line player, 2 third line players, 1 first pairing defenseman, and 1 second pairing defenseman in 3 drafts.

    The highest Boston picked in those 3 years was 13th!

    Wow.

    In Edmonton, he’s delivered:

    Yamamoto
    Bouchard

    and a whole bunch of other prospects people here have shown genuine enthusiasm toward.

    Pasternak was a great pick but it wasn’t a genius. Pastrnak was generally ranked around 20th and as high as 16, and he picked him at 25
    Zboril, Debrusk, and Senyshyn were not. If Keith had just gone consensus with his picks instead of going way way off the board (smartest man in the room?) He would have Barzal, Connor with the first two picks, and most GMs would probably think it smart to diversify and not pick 3 forwards in a row, so the next consensus D was Chabot.
    Bouchard feel to Chiarelli at 10.
    Yamamoto might turn out to be a flop. And he was picked right about where he was ranked by everyone.
    I think 30 out of 30 GMs would have picked McAvoy (Boston U) for Boston at that pick.
    Carlos? Again Mock drafts had him going to Boston based on consensus before the draft right where Gretzky picked him. Funny thing was that mock drafts and consensus generally had Senyshyn ranked at around #45, but Gretzky picked him at #16. Guess who had a pick at #37 and #45. Boston. So they could have picked Barzal, Debrusk and Zboril and still probably picked Senyshyn at 45 if they really wanted to or at 37 if they were worried about losing him. That was absolutely terrible drafting. Nobody was picking Senyshyn that high.

    I certainly have more faith in Yzerman/Verbeek in Detroit/Tampa than Chiarelli/Gretzky in Boston/Edmonton

    Erne – 33
    Cernak – 43
    Kucherov – 58!!!!!
    Cirelli – 72!
    Killorn – 77!
    Point – 79!!!
    Paquette – 101
    Joseph – 120
    Palat – 207!!
    Gourde – undrafted!!
    Johnson – undrafted!!

    No longer in Tampa:
    Connolly – 6 (in their defense, it took him way too long to arrive)
    Gudas – 66
    Marchessault – undrafted!!

    That’s a lot of stars drafted 58 or lower or signed as undrafted players.

  6. Nix says:

    JOFA:
    Holland GM? Gretzky AGM?

    Just like they planned

    They will soften the Kretz nepotism blow with Hollands good name running phantom interference.
    I’m beginning to think the Oilers dont even really exist and this is all just an elaborate money laundering scheme to pay a small handful of old guys in perpetuity.

  7. Wilde says:

    I keep watching episodes of this show from the late 80’s UK called ‘After Dark’, where they would get six or so people together, actors and musicians, politicians and public figures, to drink and talk about the issues of the day – live and with literally no scheduled end time.

    They would purposely put together adversarial groups, and the kicker is that one person was always literally picked off of the street. A member of the public with direct personal experience.

    (quotes from Wikipedia article)

    We start with one or two people without whom the discussion wouldn’t take place, the catalysts. Then there are the people who are not known TV performers but who will bring personal testimony to issues which would otherwise be argued theoretically. Then there are the historians or journalists who provide a context…. In a documentary the meetings between these points of view would happen in a cutting room or, at best, around a table under bright lights with time running out. You don’t, in any other programme, get the full nuances of a meeting between people.

    Of course, there was always chaos and frequent record-breaking in that discipline; the supposed crown of ‘most wasted’ went to Alfred Jules Ayer – a prominentish member of the Vienna Circle of the ’20’s and ’30’s, a philosopher. Which shouldn’t be surprising to anyone who had any friends who were philosophy majors.

    Memorable conversations included footballer Garth Crooks disputing the future of the game with politician Sir Rhodes Boyson; MP Teresa Gorman walking out of a discussion about unemployment with Billy Bragg; and Oliver Reed drunkenly kissing Kate Millett during a programme that asked “Do Men Have To Be Violent?”[7]

    Beyond the immediate thoughts and musings someone’s obviously going to have after encountering this program’s existence for the first time, among them the undeniable fact that this would absolutely never air today, at least not anywhere but independent media, I also really like thinking about what would be the most fun constitution for hockey today.

    In a broad sense, I’m thinking something like this:

    – George Parros
    – Daniel Carcillo
    – Ken Dryden
    – Nick Kypreos
    – A CHL player
    – Brendan Shanahan
    – A suburbanite dad with kids who play

    And then, for the Oilers:

    – Craig MacTavish
    – Andrew Ference
    – A season ticket holder from at least 2006 to now
    – A season ticket holder who cancelled in that timeframe
    – Jonathan Willis
    – Bob Nicholson

    We’re way, way too boring (or perhaps clever; gross) as a society to do anything like this now, but theorising about how to stuff the powder keg the tightest is taking up entirely too much of my time and I’m here for it.

  8. Jaxon says:

    Wilde:
    I keep watching episodes of this show from the late 80’s UK called ‘After Dark’, where they would get six or so people together, actors and musicians, politicians and public figures, to drink and talk about the issues of the day – live and with literally no scheduled end time.

    They would purposely put together adversarial groups, and the kicker is that one person was always literally picked off of the street. A member of the public with direct personal experience.

    (quotes from Wikipedia article)

    Of course, there was always chaos and frequent record-breaking in that discipline; the supposed crown of ‘most wasted’ went to Alfred Jules Ayer – a prominentish member of the Vienna Circle of the ’20’s and ’30’s, a philosopher. Which shouldn’t be surprising to anyone who had any friends who were philosophy majors.

    Beyond the immediate thoughts and musings someone’s obviously going to have after encountering this program’s existence for the first time, among them the undeniable fact that this would absolutely never air today, at least not anywhere but independent media, I also really like thinking about what would be the most fun constitution for hockey today.

    In a broad sense, I’m thinking something like this:

    – George Parros
    – Daniel Carcillo
    – Ken Dryden
    – Nick Kypreos
    – A CHL player
    – Brendan Shanahan
    – A suburbanite dad with kids who play

    And then, for the Oilers:

    – Craig MacTavish
    – Andrew Ference
    – A season ticket holder from at least 2006 to now
    – A season ticket holder who cancelled in that timeframe
    – Jonathan Willis
    – Bob Nicholson

    We’re way, way too boring (or perhaps clever; gross) as a society to do anything like this now, but theorising about how to stuff the powder keg the tightest is taking up entirely too much of my time and I’m here for it.

    These characters might help create a powder keg of discussion:
    George Laraque
    Mark Messier
    Esa Tikanen
    Glen Sather
    Jeremy Roenick
    Chris Chelios
    Brett Hull
    Brad Marchand
    Sean Avery
    John Tortorella
    Bobby Clarke
    Patrick Roy
    Marc Crawford
    Hayley Wickenheiser
    Ray Ferraro
    Adam Oates

    I’d include Mike Millbury and Don Cherry, but I’d write happily die never hearing their voices again.

  9. Munny says:

    Jaxon: Funny thing was that mock drafts and consensus generally had Senyshyn ranked at around #45, but Gretzky picked him at #16. Guess who had a pick at #37 and #45. Boston. So they could have picked Barzal, Debrusk and Zboril and still probably picked Senyshyn at 45 if they really wanted to or at 37 if they were worried about losing him.

    This is an error that nearly everyone makes.

    Senyshyn was ranked 40th on Bob’s list that year, meaning that of the 10 scouts polled they could’ve had him anywhere from 20th to 60th. There’s no such thing as a consensus #40 pick. Even if the Bru waited till 37, there would almost certainly be a team that had ranked him higher.

    That doesn’t mean they should’ve taken him in the mid-teens… however an important thing we don’t know is who made the picks. Typically we place the onus on the GM not the amateur scouting staff, but in a weird situation with three early picks in a row like that, it’s likely one would’ve been a scout’s pick.

    But we don’t know which one that was.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    Finally, Condors start round 2 tonight against the Gulls from San Diego, coached by Dallas Eakins.

    Subject to Marody’s healthy, I would assume the same lineup as last game. If Marody can’t play, I would posit Hebig gets inserted over Ryan McLeod but I guess we’ll find out.

    Although I’m sure he’ll start out being just as sheltered as previous games, here is hoping Bouchard can get some real minutes this series so the org can get some real intel and info on where he may be at. I understand the extremely sheltered minutes he’s getting but its tough to glean too much from those minutes – they essentially put him in pure offensive situations and we know he’s already a plus player in those areas.

  11. Jaxon says:

    Munny: This is an error that nearly everyone makes.

    Senyshyn was ranked 40th on Bob’s list that year, meaning that of the 10 scouts polled they could’ve had him anywhere from 20th to 60th.There’s no such thing as a consensus #40 pick.Even if the Bru waited till 37, there would almost certainly be a team that had ranked him higher.

    That doesn’t mean they should’ve taken him in the mid-teens… however an important thing we don’t know is who made the picks.Typically we place the onus on the GM not the amateur scouting staff, but in a weird situation with three early picks in a row like that, it’s likely one would’ve been a scout’s pick.

    But we don’t know which one that was.

    None of these 12 rankings had him in the top 30:
    http://www.mynhldraft.com/2015-draft/prospect-rankings/

    And I think it’s been written about that Keith Gretzky was in charge of those drafts as he was Director of Amateur Scouting. On a reach pick like that (EDIT) the GM would be heavily leaning on Keith.

  12. London Jon says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    It’s such a breath of fresh air to have the Condors and all our lovely prospects to watch instead of just focusing on who we pick in the draft!!

  13. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Jaxon,

    ChiaPete was with the Oilers for the 2015 draft. In Boston it was rumored Kretzky was on his way out and that his pick was DeBrusk while Neely and co. were directing the other picks.

  14. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Finally, Condors start round 2 tonight against the Gulls from San Diego, coached by Dallas Eakins.

    Subject to Marody’s healthy, I would assume the same lineup as last game.If Marody can’t play, I would posit Hebig gets inserted over Ryan McLeod but I guess we’ll find out.

    Although I’m sure he’ll start out being just as sheltered as previous games, here is hoping Bouchard can get some real minutes this series so the org can get some real intel and info on where he may be at. I understand the extremely sheltered minutes he’s getting but its tough to glean too much from those minutes – they essentially put him in pure offensive situations and we know he’s already a plus player in those areas.

    I understand the frustration about not seeing him play tougher minutes, but I feel as a fan base we’ve been crying out for a coach who puts players in a position where they see success, especially our most valuable prospects.

    It’s something this fanbase lamented about JP, and Yakupov before that. Not putting those guys in the positions where they had all the success that they ended up being drafted where they were.

    In that sense I’m thinking Woodcroft is doing an excellent job managing our prospects. He’s letting Bouchard crush it in sheltered minutes, and eventually it will force his hand to give him more responsibility. That’s development done right, imo. The exact opposite way J.Schultz was handled.

  15. Tapdog says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Would Holland have the fire and passion for this challenge right now?He just stepped down from his job.He may need some time to rejuice.The timing isn’t right for him.He needs to do his current role for a bit and realize that yeah he’s happy there or, “dang!I need to get back in the heat of the action”.

    Yzerman in giving his reasons for stepping down last year from the GM job in Tampa said that for a couple reasons he began to feel like he wasn’t able to give the job what it required.He wanted to do extremely well and just felt that he wasn’t able to do the job the way it needed to be done.

    Not saying he is the right man for the job, because I don’t know but I would say Hunter does have the fire and passion for the position.
    I read something today calling him the hardest working man in hockey.For me, that’s a real big thing.This job requires an inner fire to work extremely hard.

    What? Yzerman spewed that verbiage to make it sound nice lol, if you were buying that…. I have some beach front property for sale.
    Yzerman needed to step aside then to make sure the Lightning did not lose BriseBois to another team. BriseBois steps into the GM chair with Stevie to watch over for a year and off to Detroit he goes. You tell me that Vinnick did not know what exactly was going on.

  16. Jaxon says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Jaxon,

    ChiaPete was with the Oilers for the 2015 draft. In Boston it was rumored Kretzky was on his way out and that his pick was DeBrusk while Neely and co. were directing the other picks.

    Sorry, correct. You’d still think they’d be leaning heavily on their director of amateur scouting. Hard to really know who was ultimately responsible but when trying to compare and give credit when making a decision you have to look at their entire record. That was bad drafting and he was in the room (as they say) on a lot of bad decisions in Boston and Edmonton.

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    London Jon:
    OriginalPouzar,

    It’s such a breath of fresh air to have the Condors and all our lovely prospects to watch instead of just focusing on who we pick in the draft!!

    Yup – I just wish the games started an hour early – 8pm starts are so late for me given I wake up in the middle of the night due to my mental issues…..

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: I understand the frustration about not seeing him play tougher minutes, but I feel as a fan base we’ve been crying out for a coach who puts players in a position where they see success, especially our most valuable prospects.

    It’s something this fanbase lamented about JP, and Yakupov before that. Not putting those guys in the positions where they had all the success that they ended up being drafted where they were.

    In that sense I’m thinking Woodcroft is doing an excellent job managing our prospects. He’s letting Bouchard crush it in sheltered minutes, and eventually it will force his hand to give him more responsibility. That’s development done right, imo. The exact opposite way J.Schultz was handled.

    I don’t disagree and I understand completely what the coaching staff is going.

    I just hope that, at some point, he is challenged with more responsibility so the organization can gain some real info on the player at the pro level.

    I fear they will read too much in to AHL success in extremely sheltered minutes if he doesn’t get the opportunity for a tougher challenge and combine that with production in exhibition to posit NHL readiness.

  19. SVR says:

    Bouchard’s experience in AHL playoffs this spring could really be a spring board for him next season. Hopefully the Condors have a deep run. Depending how he looks at camp, I could see him on the roster opening night next season

  20. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t disagree and I understand completely what the coaching staff is going.

    I just hope that, at some point, he is challenged with more responsibility so the organization can gain some real info on the player at the pro level.

    I fear they will read too much in to AHL success in extremely sheltered minutes if he doesn’t get the opportunity for a tougher challenge and combine that with production in exhibition to posit NHL readiness.

    If they are going to expand Bouchard’s role I would think this is the time to try it. He has had time to practice with the team between series now so the coaching staff should have a much better idea of where he is at and what he can handle.

  21. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Jaxon: Sorry, correct. You’d still think they’d be leaning heavily on their director of amateur scouting. Hard to really know who was ultimately responsible but when trying to compare and give credit when making a decision you have to look at their entire record. That was bad drafting and he was in the room (as they say) on a lot of bad decisions in Boston and Edmonton.

    When I look at the entire record, I see big wins with Pastrnak & McAvoy sandwiching that wasted opportunity with the 3 in a row in 2015. Of the three DeBrusk was a solid pick (27 goals this year) even as there were other even-better picks available. The other two, with rumours of management meddling, seem to have been poor. But we don’t know all the background on that, certainly not enough to expnerate Kretzky. I rate him based on the full set of picks.

    Overall results: mixed, but with 5 picks between 13 and 25 the Bruins scored 3 very good NHL players. And another good one at 37 with Carlo. A pretty solid overall mark in my books.

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    SVR:
    Bouchard’s experience in AHL playoffs this spring could really be a spring board for him next season. Hopefully the Condors have a deep run. Depending how he looks at camp, I could see him on the roster opening night next season

    I agree that it could be a spring board if Woodcroft can find, or, better yet, Bouchard forces Woodcroft (and Manson) to find a way to get him some real top 4 minutes. We are only 2 games in but we can’t glean too much from the extremely sheltered minutes he’s received.

    I would caution against putting any real stock in to anything he does in exhibition – we’ve seen, year over year, that production from young prospects throughout exhibition doesn’t really mean anything regarding NHL readiness.

    A strong 10 games in the AHL top 4, on the other hand….

  23. Jaxon says:

    Bruce McCurdy: When I look at the entire record, I see big wins with Pastrnak & McAvoy sandwiching that wasted opportunity with the 3 in a row in 2015. Of the three DeBrusk was a solid pick (27 goals this year) even as there were other even-better picks available. The other two, with rumours of management meddling, seem to have been poor. But we don’t know all the background on that, certainly not enough to exonerate Kretzky. I rate him based on the full set of picks.

    Overall results: mixed, but with 5 picks between 13 and 25 the Bruins scored 3 very good NHL players. And another good one at 37 with Carlo.A pretty solid overall mark in my books.

    A very reasonable argument. I think most of them were in the expected pick realm other than the very big Senyshyn reach pick which was so illogical at that stage when they had two picks in the range he was expected to go. But as mentioned, maybe Kretzky had no say in the matter or maybe he thought Senyshyn was worth the reach.

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