A Time to Reap, A Time to Sow

by Lowetide

If you look at Ken Holland’s back story, you might get the idea the Oilers are in for a quiet summer. Holland doesn’t make a lot of trades, and when he does it’s usually a pick for a player or vice versa. His teams are about draft and develop, adding free-agent pieces, and counting on the minor league system to produce a good crop. Will it be a quiet summer?

THE ATHLETIC

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group.INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: Ken Holland’s Bakersfield production line: Elevating Jones and how long will success take?
  • New Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • New Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Why Edmonton should expand its GM shortlist now that Kelly McCrimmon is out of the running
  • New Lowetide: Should Oilers practice more patience in adding Evan Bouchard to the roster?
  • Jonathan Willis: Is Ken Holland yesterday’s man or the ideal GM candidate for the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi and his uncertain future with the Oilers
  • Lowetide: ‘I see something special’: Are Oilers prepared to make Caleb Jones a fixture on the roster next season?
  • Jonathan Willis: Gritty comeback performance sends Edmonton’s farm team to the second round of the AHL playoffs.
  • Lowetide: Dylan Cozens might be ideal fit for Oilers at No. 8 overall in the 2019 draft
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Hard to please, but easy to work for’: How Sean Burke’s philosophy as a GM would benefit the Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A dogged realist, Kelly McCrimmon’s resume makes him an attractive candidate for the Oilers GM job
  • New Lowetide: Is this the season the Oilers take the plunge and draft a USHL player in the first round?
  • Jonathan Willis: Top Oilers prospect Evan Bouchard stars in his first AHL game as Condors dominate.
  • Lowetide: Adam Larsson’s importance to the Oilers and why trading him is a bad idea.
  • Lowetide: Tyler Benson’s comparables offer Oilers fans plenty of hope for the future.
  • Lowetide: Making the call on the Oilers’ RFAs with a new general manager on the way.
  • Lowetide: Red Wings front office shuffle could impact Oilers’ future.
  • Jonathan Willis: Potential coaching candidates and why the Oilers don’t need to rush the GM search to get one
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ten prospects likely to be available when the Oilers make their first-round pick

HOLLAND’S TO-DO LIST

*Two scoring wingers
*Cap room
*No. 3 RH center
*Top 4 RHD who can move the puck
*Backup goalie

Ken Holland hasn’t made very many player-for-player deals since the rebuild started. The last notable deal was a draft swap with Arizona to dump the Pavel Datsyuk money in the desert, but that wasn’t a “summer deal that moves the roster forward” deal either. In the cap era, Ken Holland hasn’t used the trade route to make a one-for-one type deal. It’s picks for players or vice versa, all down the line. So, how will he handle the list above? Let’s talk about free agency.

FREE AGENTS, SUMMER 2018

Detroit needed scoring, so signed winger Tomas Vanek to a one-year deal at $3 million. Low risk, he’s an established scorer long in the tooth and it’s just for the season. Maybe you trade him at the deadline. He scored 16 in 64 games for the Red Wings, not quite Alex Chiasson stats but he posted 1.87 5-on-5 points per 60. It pushed back kids like Zadina and Rasmussen, giving the team more depth because close to NHL-ready players started in Grand Rapids. I think that’s a reasonable spend.

Detroit needed some help in goal, and bet Jonathan Bernier on a three-year deal at $3 million per season. Again this dovetails nicely with Edmonton’s current situation. Bernier had save percentages of .908, .915 and .913 for three different teams, and he never played fewer than 37 games in any of those three seasons. He was 29 when Holland signed him.

Bernier played a lot (35 games) for a backup, with mediocre results (3.16, .904). You’d like to see the term closer to Vanek but Detroit had already missed out on Carter Hutton and Cam Ward so may have been running out of options. (Source)

Detroit needed a RH defenseman who could move the puck and help on the power play, again a doppelganger for Edmonton last summer (save for cap room). Re-signing Mike Green was the choice, two years at $5.375 million per season. He got hurt, posted 5-21-26 in 43 games with the winged wheel. Not that it’ll be important, but he has a NMC that modifies this summer.

Holland was in rebuild mode, so the Vanek deal makes sense but the longer term deals on defense and in goal are more difficult to defend. If the team had checked down to the next man behind Bernier, would it have made a tremendous difference? Well, Robin Lehner was signed to a one-year deal for $1.5 million on July 3, he was pretty good. The Green signing was two years at a lot of coin, but will give a player like Hronek some time to find his way.

Holland’s work in free agency last summer is open to criticism, but the three signings fall short of the ‘reefer madness’ I’ve been reading about online. There is no Milan Lucic signing in the group, as an example, and Holland was spending cap to buy time during a rebuild. The third year for the goalie seems the biggest issue and Bernier had a reasonable resume.Maybe Holland will trade for him.

HOLLAND’S TO-DO LIST

*Two scoring wingers
*Cap room
*No. 3 RH center
*Top 4 RHD who can move the puck
*Backup goalie

So, how many of these things get done over the summer? CapFriendly suggests Edmonton has $8 million in cap room with 15 players signed. Once contracts are doled out to Jesse Puljujarvi, Jujhar Khaira and Alex Chiasson, there will be $3 million or less. Elevate Caleb Jones and we’re looking at $1 million.

Ken Holland has three choices:

1 He can take a pipe wrench to the roster, trading Adam Larsson, Nuge and other assets (picks, Samorukov) in an effort to make the team in his own image immediately.

2 He can use the opening media avail to inform Oilers fans that it’s going to be a build, that the team will be better but that there are miles to go. He could tell them that his experience in the game allows him to be certain that a flurry of summer trades, without knowing the roster and the prospects, would be a very bad idea. He could even mention Griffin Reinhart.

3 He can be aggressive, trading Kris Russell or Andrej Sekera, signing a Bernier-type as backup goalie, trading for Riley Nash to fill the No. 3 center hole, adding a Vanek and hoping Kailer Yamamoto or Jesse Puljujarvi can finally come through. It might not look pretty but the kids in the minors may be ready to push and that’s a Godsend.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning at the front of an insane week in Edmonton. We get things started at 10, TSN1260. We’ll open up the phone lines at 10:20 to give you a chance to chime in on the Holland signing, then at 10:40 Keegan Matheson from Baseball Toronto will be by to talk Vladdy Guerrero and pitching. Jason Gregor will offer his thoughts on Holland and the news to come over the summer at 11:05. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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Primetime

As per McKenzie twitter:

Verbeek to Detroit
Murray and everyone else stays in TB

frjohnk

After what we just had, I would have been OK with a potato as GM.

Cheering for Holland to help get this team out of the ditch.

Woodguy v2.0

Primetime:
As per McKenzie twitter:

Verbeek to Detroit
Murray and everyone else stays in TB

That’s a big deal.

Might mean Wright stays in DET too, which would be a good thing imo.

I wonder how Yz will do without Murray?

Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR

I do like the autonomy part. Like this hire or not, he will no doubt be the one running things. Other candidates probably didn’t have the resume to either demand this or to be sure they would maintain it after they got the job. I’m on board because of this.

OriginalPouzar

*Two scoring wingers
*Cap room
*No. 3 RH center
*Top 4 RHD who can move the puck
*Backup goalie

————————–

I would re-order this as:

– Back-up goalie – need a substantial back-up/1B given the unknown of the “starter” – this is the Brian Elliot for $2.25M, the trade for Thomas Griess, the Ryan Miller type short-term acquisition

– Cap space – reasonableness needs to be used here. No buyouts – dead cap hits extending beyond current terms is not acceptable. Russell is the primary reasonable disposition – the key is a clean disposition and return is gravy. May need to retain $500K. Of course, Lucic out would be great but the pain cannot be too great – something like the 8th overall for a clean disposition is too painful for me. If we retain the $3M and can add a sweetener along the lines of Bear (max), then maybe.

– 2RD – just a stop gap though on a 2-year max deal (unless we are doing a major move with a Nurse or Klefbom out). Stralman would be great a 2 X $4M but i don’t imagine it would happen. Faulk and Spurgeon are good one-year rental options but acquisition cost would be too expensive given they would just be one-year acquisitions to me – I don’t want to re-sign anyone for their late 20s/30s. Tim Heed is another thought – the numbers do support potential top 4 but that is a risk and, if he’s another bottom pairing guy, well, we have plenty of options already.

– Forwards – Unless somehow cap space is opened up, I’m doing the reasonable bet thing for one more year. A guy like Brandon Pirri would be a great bet. Maybe even Daniel Carr

OriginalPouzar

I’d be OK acquiring Bernier and the last 2 years of his contract on the assumption that the acquisition cost would be quite immaterial. I think he could bounce back and be a solid 1B guy. $3M is a bit steep given his struggles this past year – maybe DET retains $750K?

GordieHoweHatTrick

Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
I do like the autonomy part.Like this hire or not, he will no doubt be the one running things.Other candidates probably didn’t have the resume to either demand this or to be sure they would maintain it after they got the job.I’m on board because of this.

Yes, I agree. While the interviewing “process”, leaks, etc have been gong show (because Oilers), I am “OK” with Holland because the odds are quite high that he will have “true autonomy” and that his history is more about draft/develop & tweak – not swinging for the fences with almost every trade. Because I think with the roster tweaks that have been discussed on this blog and elsewhere for the past few months, this ship can get back on course this year and barring any major injuries, should be middle of the pack competitive in 2020-2021.

OriginalPouzar

Out of those 3 options, I go with a combo of 2/3.

The key is that ownership does not give him the mandate that he must turn this thing around in one off season and make high risk transactions in the name of immediate improvement. Cap hell dissipates within a few years and the asset acquisition base should be strong at that point along with the young core in their prime.

Coiler

Woodguy v2.0: That’s a big deal.

Might mean Wright stays in DET too, which would be a good thing imo.

I wonder how Yz will do without Murray?

Great point. Murray made Yzerman look like a genius during his time there in terms of his picks.

There is no doubt Holland has a big mess to sort out in Edmonton now. But I personally don’t think he mismanaged the cap as badly as many have noted in the blog. Short term pain with the view that drafted and developed players will be ready to take on those roles in 1-2 years time ins’t a bad thing.

One point I would hope all can agree on is that he doesn’t make knee-jerk reaction trades like Chiarelli did and he does have the acumen to pull off trades that he does win. Something that LT has noted this team needs…in spades.

Munny

Woodguy v2.0: That’s a big deal.

Might mean Wright stays in DET too, which would be a good thing imo.

I wonder how Yz will do without Murray?

Behind every good GM there’s a good scout.

Y-Z’s lucky because the cupboards have already been half-stocked by Holland, and they’ve got something like 11 picks going into this draft.

JimmyV1965

The Holland signing if less than inspiring. As an Oiler fan, I can only hope that it actually works out this time. We wait and see.

OilersFuture

I think the roster will be tweaked, not blown up. I could see some mid-range free agents such as Filpulla, Vanek (both have ties to Holland). Some minor trades maybe picking up a guy like T van Riemsdyk. The biggest move I could see if a guy like Russell for a player like Jake Allen, James Reimer or perhaps Alex Wennberg.

In my opinion, what he does with the roster is less important than how he structures the organization.

1. Organizational Structure. They have THREE VP of Hockey Ops and another Director of Hockey Ops. Who does what?
2. Amateur side – If Gretzky runs the draft what does Green do? Why do we have Crosson, Virmanen & Harlow on the scouting staff for nearly 10 years, with limited amount of success. Eklund has also been there for 10 years but he’s found some players like Klefbom, Gustafsson and Lagesson.
3. Who runs player development & personnel? Seriously who does? I don’t see a director of player development. For example Toronto have 3 Director of Player development and two Dir of Player Personal and one Dir of Player Evaluation. In my opinion trading for Hawkey and then not signing him is a big problem. How did that happen? How do we prevent the same thing from happening too Marino or Kemp.
4. From the Hockey Operations side. The 4 Hockey Ops managers are; MacTavish, Howson, Sutter and Scott. I think you need to keep at least one to work on internal player evaluation. Who do you keep? How do you separate the roles so that their positions are clearly defined. How do you, essentially implement a player analytics group from scratch? BTW – Holland had an analytic group in Detroit. How quickly will they be up to speed? And will the hockey operations group listen too them?
5. Pro Scouting Staff. I think you scrap that whole department. But, how quickly do you get your own people in place? How do you prepare for the off-season for free agent and player acquisition targets? Who will shake loose from Detroit?

I care more about these questions.

Personally, I think the team can compete for a playoff spot this year and with proper management can be out of cap hell starting in 2020-21 if done properly.

ArmchairGM

Lowetide:
*No. 3 RH center

We already have that guy: Sam Gagner.

😉

Dustylegnd

JimmyV1965:
The Holland signing if less than inspiring. As an Oiler fan, I can only hope that it actually works out this time. We wait and see.

The best part is that Holland is 64 on November….. does he really want to be in Edmonton in Winter Time when he is 69???? seems absurd….job 1 is stocking his management team with depth and an eventual successor…maybe just maybe he gets real innovative with his 25 million of guaranteed money

if he looks around he will realize his entire staff is about the same age with very similar back grounds as good hockey men…not only is it group think…its group think with almost 0 philosophical variation….either you get it really right…or really wrong…..one has to hope Holland pulls the Costanza at a minimum…

“What do you guys think is the correct mover here, hmmm interesting” internal dialogue “hmm I will do the opposite”….could be pure genius

Pouzar

The latest from the Rowdy one:

“Don’t believe the rumours that Dave Tippett will be his coach. **UPDATE – I was told Sunday afternoon there is some merit to this report. Stay tuned. ** ”

https://oilersnation.com/2019/05/06/ken-holland-coaching-options/

Jaxon

Anyone else cheering for Stars, Avs, and Blue Jackets to win their series? With no horse in the race I’d love to see an all wild card final four.

The only problem with that is that it may decrease the amount of trade deadline moves in the future as teams may see just squeeking in as being a legitimate contender. And I love the trade deadline.

flea

Why does it take the Oilers so long to annouce or do anything? This has been leaked. Now reports are saying the contract has to be signed still.

They are the only org that seems to do things in the most painful, drawn out way possible. Just like this whole GM search.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/longtime-red-wings-executive-ken-holland-expected-join-oilers/

Not inspiring much confidence. Just announce the damn GM. And stop leaking it to the media if you aren’t ready to.

godot10

Matt Niskanen has two years left at $5.75 million, and the Capitals need some cap space. They just signed Jensen, perhaps as a 2nd pairing right D.

A stop-gap D target, if the Oilers can create cap space.

Benning is a cheap legit 3rd pairing D.

Benning plus something for Niskanen..

Just throwing stuff up against the wall.

Toronto is probably a better fit with Washington for a Niskanen trade.

Bag of Pucks

The hope now has to be an exodus of OBC lifers accompanied by an infusion of new talent and perspectives.

The references to Holland having actual autonomy are encouraging. Now let’s see if it actually rolls out that way when the rubber hits the road.

If Holland doesn’t want his mission to be undermined, he needs to quickly build his own team of trusted advisors and throw a grenade at the Red Wine Summit cabal. That is job one.

Alpine

godot10:
Matt Niskanen has two years left at $5.75 million, and the Capitals need some cap space.They just signed Jensen, perhaps as a 2nd pairing right D.

A stop-gap D target, if the Oilers can create cap space.

Benning is a cheap legit 3rd pairing D.

Benning plus something for Niskanen..

Just throwing stuff up against the wall.

Toronto is probably a better fit with Washington for a Niskanen trade.

I like Niskanen a lot but he does have a 10 team no trade list. Hopefully we aren’t one of those ten teams.

ArmchairGM

godot10: Matt Niskanen has two years left at $5.75 million, and the Capitals need some cap space. They just signed Jensen, perhaps as a 2nd pairing right D.

Bogosian in Buffalo is another guy I’d look at. He has just 1 year left at similar money. Buffalo isn’t cap-strapped so they’ll be less desperate to make a deal, but also more likely to take some cap back – something that could benefit us.

YKOil

Given the team’s now involved. Green could also be the summer RHD pick-up.

Jethro Tull

We’re telling Connor that his wingers are potentially 2-5yrs away, IF we pick and develop right at THIS year’s draft?

OK then. Hopefully he’s happy with being the best player in the league on one of the worst teams.

Woogie63

Holland is starting in a MUCH better spot than PC.

We are capped out, but we have lots of good/great long term contract (nobody talks about an overpay on Leon like they did when he signed)

Our Conveyor belts is working pretty good

to get started for Holland,

3 Year Pro
Russell

2 year Pro
Gambardella
Bear
Jones
Starrett
Lagesson
Persson

1 year Pro
Benson
Marody
Yamamoto
Skinner
Wells

Turning Pro
Maksimov
McLeod
Safin
Bouchard
Samorukov

Good Contracts
McDavid, Draisaitl, Hopkins, Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Puljujarvi

Bad Contracts
Lucic, Gagner, Russell, Koskinen

vinotintazo

what about Mike Green ? is he done?

Munny

Jethro Tull,

Improvement in net and marginal improvement in D would have us in the playoffs.

Pouzar

Knoblauch let go in PHI

slopitch

RE Hollands 3 options. Please say no to the pipe wrench approach. Ace the draft (Cozens/Boldy/Caufield or BPA, plus skill throughout). Move one of Russell or Sekera out – either for a winger would be ideal. And find some capable wingers for Drai, McDavid and Nuge after July 15th. You can accelerate this thing but they tried in 2015 and when the Hamilton deal fell through they should have waited it out. Gotta be opportunistic.

Who is this years Grubauer? I do think finding a good 1B option is important to get into the playoffs next year.

2 days in and no one has mentioned Datsyuk? He’d be a great mentor to our boy Nuge. Nuge can play LW. Age 40 though… not much runway left.

leadfarmer

Primetime:
As per McKenzie twitter:

Verbeek to Detroit
Murray and everyone else stays in TB

I wonder what he is offering Tampa for Point

Munny

slopitch,

He’s been mentioned over the weekend. It’s not clear why he would choose Edmonton over Detroit, but it appears from reports that he wants to end his career with his hometown squad in Ekaterinberg in any case.

Munny

ArmchairGM: Bogosian in Buffalo is another guy I’d look at. He has just 1 year left at similar money. Buffalo isn’t cap-strapped so they’ll be less desperate to make a deal, but also more likely to take some cap back – something that could benefit us.

Bogo is Larsson for a million more a year. I cannot see the Oilers trading for one year of that.

alberta bound edmonton

The top priority for Holland will be goal tending. Expect he will clear cap space (Russell)
then look to see who might be available in free agency or via a trade

Oilman99

OriginalPouzar:
*Two scoring wingers
*Cap room
*No. 3 RH center
*Top 4 RHD who can move the puck
*Backup goalie

————————–

I would re-order this as:

– Back-up goalie – need a substantial back-up/1B given the unknown of the “starter” – this is the Brian Elliot for $2.25M, the trade for Thomas Griess, the Ryan Miller type short-term acquisition

– Cap space – reasonableness needs to be used here.No buyouts – dead cap hits extending beyond current terms is not acceptable.Russell is the primary reasonable disposition – the key is a clean disposition and return is gravy.May need to retain $500K.Of course, Lucic out would be great but the pain cannot be too great – something like the 8th overall for a clean disposition is too painful for me. If we retain the $3M and can add a sweetener along the lines of Bear (max), then maybe.

– 2RD – just a stop gap though on a 2-year max deal (unless we are doing a major move with a Nurse or Klefbom out). Stralman would be great a 2 X $4M but i don’t imagine it would happen.Faulk and Spurgeon are good one-year rental options but acquisition cost would be too expensive given they would just be one-year acquisitions to me – I don’t want to re-sign anyone for their late 20s/30s. Tim Heed is another thought – the numbers do support potential top 4 but that is a risk and, if he’s another bottom pairing guy, well, we have plenty of options already.

– Forwards – Unless somehow cap space is opened up, I’m doing the reasonable bet thing for one more year. A guy like Brandon Pirri would be a great bet.Maybe even Daniel Carr

Two bonafide top 6-9 wingers are needed before bringing in another d-man with the likes of Jones, Lagesson etal in the minors. The team needs scoring depth now.

Durag

Jonathan Willis wrote about the idea of a 50% retained Lucic for James Reimer trade. I think that’s a great option to address stop-gap goaltending and is actually a plausible way to get Lucic off the books. Cap neutral for 2 years then 3M savings.

Oilman99

Jaxon:
Anyone else cheering for Stars, Avs, and Blue Jackets to win their series? With no horse in the race I’d love to see an all wild card final four.

The only problem with that is that it may decrease the amount of trade deadline moves in the future as teams may see just squeeking in as being a legitimate contender. And I love the trade deadline.

Too many old memories of past meetings with the Stars, just can’t cheer for Columbus because of their coach, go Avs.

Rich M

frjohnk:
After what we just had, I would have been OK with a potato as GM.

Cheering for Holland to help get this team out of the ditch.

This sums it up perfectly. I keep thinking we can’t do any worse than what we’ve seen, yet Oiler GM’s the last decade have managed to exceed our worst fears time and again.

Godspeed Mr. Holland.

Oilman99

Jethro Tull:
We’re telling Connor that his wingers are potentially 2-5yrs away, IF we pick and develop right at THIS year’s draft?

OK then.Hopefully he’s happy with being the best player in the league on one of the worst teams.

Furthermore,RNH will be gone as a FA by that time after ten years of mediocrity.

jeetz

Predictions:

Hopeful everyone currently in Bakersfield starts there next year and none on the oilers roster.

Speaking of roster, hope it is locked in for game 1. No more spending 10-20 games evaluating players for roster spots. How many games do we lose at the beginning with a roster in a state of flux.

There will be a statue of Holland beside Gretzky’s if he can move Lucic and Russell with minimal damage.

I would not be surprised to see Eberle back for the right price.

Say hello to an analytics department, to Tippet and a mitt full of front office personnel with legit nhl experience not connected to the old boys club

Say good bye to Sutter, Howson, Scott most of the scouting staff and goalie coach. MacT and K Gretzky and Hitchcock (not coach role) all stay.

The big player moves I see are Puljujarvi to Winnipeg for Trouba, and Yamamoto to Toronto for one of Johnsson, or Kapanen as main pieces

Sekera nurse, Larsson and Klefbom all return next year

Jethro Tull

frjohnk: After what we just had, I would have been OK with a potato as GM.

We’ll have to see what he’s like when the chips are down. Can he mash together a team? Or will he get creamed? He’ll have to keep an eye on the market, but at least he’s not green. I wonder if he’ll go after Thomas Tater.

Woogie63

Oilman99: Furthermore,RNH will be gone as a FA by that time after ten years of mediocrity.

Who is mediocre RNH? Oilers?

StixMalone

I don’t know how I feel about this hire. One part says ok we got a respected ops guy. The other says here we go again. Big $$$ spent to get this guy too. I guess I have no choice but to cheer him on and hope for the best but jeez these guys are senior citizens ( Bobby, Hitch, Ken ) with a great pension fund now. Was really hoping to get a younger forward thinking group going forward but now I’m not so sure. Hearing rumblings of Tippett as coach really is making my head ache…..

Kinger_Oil.redux

– The annual armchair GM contest is closed with the Holland Hire: had about 45 entries…

– As with Chia: Holland’s “full autonomy” is the rub. Having Keith as your 1A, just as MacT was Chia’s 1A is not “full autonomy” But I’m willing to wait a full-season to see what happens

– There is no way that there are not better/ innovative/ fresher/ different management than MacT, Howson, Green, Sutter, Scott, Hitch, Lowe, Keith for their respective roles.

– If full autonomy means that in 12 months most of these guys are still here, at least Holland should presumably have more hockey acumen

– Holland will also be selecting the new Coach, which is huge, as there was a significant disconnect between Chia’s vision and Coach’s deployment: Chia did not hire Coach: MacT and Bob did, and Chia “signed off” at same time he was hired: massive opportunity IMO

– And finally, Holland I think is the “best hire” that we could imagine Bob coming up with. Whether he (like Babcock), can win the Cup in an era that is different than the one where both Babcock and Holland built their reputations: we wait

GOILERS!!!!!

LMHF#1

One funny thing around these hirings always – a firing offence is a firing offence…there is no “they need 2 years” or “we’ll evaluate later” with successful orgs. If someone makes a big enough mistake, it has to be dealt with. Otherwise you’re intentionally being worse than you could be – which is insane.

v4ance

Philadelphia Flyers @NHLFlyers

OFFICIAL: The #Flyers have hired Michel Therrien and Mike Yeo to serve as assistant coaches on head coach Alain Vigneault’s staff.

200 Hockey men strike again!

Hiring retreads means it won’t take long for them to get the team up to speed on their systems.

On the other hand, there won’t be any innovative improvements in the team since they’ll try the same tactics that got them fired in other organizations.

For the Oilers, what was even the point of hiring Viveros, a supposed WHL powerplay genius, only to give the PP to Gulutzan. It’s like, “Hey, I bought this Ferrarri but I’ll keep it in the garage and street race in my Ford Taurus.”

My hope is they (re-)hire Todd Nelson as Head coach and give Viveros a true shot at running the PP. We’re already at the bottom 1/3 of the league. Why not try something new?

texmex

v4ance:
Philadelphia Flyers @NHLFlyers

OFFICIAL: The #Flyers have hired Michel Therrien and Mike Yeo to serve as assistant coaches on head coach Alain Vigneault’s staff.

200 Hockey men strike again!

Hiring retreads means it won’t take long for them to get the team up to speed on their systems.

On the other hand, there won’t be any innovative improvements in the team since they’ll try the same tactics that got them fired in other organizations.

For the Oilers, what was even the point of hiring Viveros, a supposed WHL powerplay genius, only to give the PP to Gulutzan.It’s like, “Hey, I bought this Ferrarri but I’ll keep it in the garage and street race in my Ford Taurus.”

My hope is they (re-)hire Todd Nelson as Head coach and give Viveros a true shot at running the PP.We’re already at the bottom 1/3 of the league.Why not try something new?

Weren’t the oilers 9th overall on the PP this season?

ArmchairGM

vinotintazo:
what about Mike Green ? is he done?

About as sheltered as Matt Benning with worse corsi and DFF%.

ArmchairGM

Munny: Bogo is Larsson for a million more a year.I cannot see the Oilers trading for one year of that.

I’d rather have Bogo than Russell. Or Gagner, for that matter. I’d even trade him for Sekera.

vinotintazo

ArmchairGM: About as sheltered as Matt Benning with worse corsi and DFF%.

I thought he was top pair in DET, so I guess pass.

v4ance

texmex: Weren’t the oilers 9th overall on the PP this season?

How many good opportunities or goals did the second unit create this year? The amount of talent on the first unit almost guarantees they’ll be a good PP. The effectiveness of the second unit is entirely within the coach’s realm of control.

Bank Shot

Ken Holland hasn’t made a significant hockey trade in 15 years.

It’s essentially been either buying or selling at the deadline.

Two of his last two deadline purchases had Janmark and Jarnkrok going out the door for players that were finished in the NHL.

Hopefully the man can overhaul the drafting and development of the org and put them on the right path in that regard over the next decade, but seems like any thoughts of a quick turnaround go out the window with the Holland hiring.