Sun Comes Up, It’s Tuesday Morning

by Lowetide

This is going to be a memorable day for Edmonton Oilers fans. A general manager change is a fairly rate occurrence, although if this happens again in 2023 I’m not going to able to say that anymore.

  1. Bill Hunter 1972—1976
  2. Bep Guidolin 1976—1977
  3. Brian Conacher 1977—1978
  4. Larry Gordon 1978—1980
  5. Glen Sather 1980—2000
  6. Kevin Lowe 2000—2008
  7. Steve Tambellini 2008—2013
  8. Craig MacTavish 2013—2015
  9. Peter Chiarelli 2015-2019

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group.INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • New Jonathan Willis: What does the arrival of Ken Holland mean for the Oilers coaching search?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • New Lowetide: Ken Holland’s Bakersfield production line: Elevating Jones and how long will success take?
  • New Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.
  • Lowetide: Should Oilers practice more patience in adding Evan Bouchard to the roster?
  • Jonathan Willis: Is Ken Holland yesterday’s man or the ideal GM candidate for the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi and his uncertain future with the Oilers
  • Lowetide: ‘I see something special’: Are Oilers prepared to make Caleb Jones a fixture on the roster next season?
  • Jonathan Willis: Gritty comeback performance sends Edmonton’s farm team to the second round of the AHL playoffs.
  • Lowetide: Dylan Cozens might be ideal fit for Oilers at No. 8 overall in the 2019 draft
  • New Lowetide: Is this the season the Oilers take the plunge and draft a USHL player in the first round?
  • Lowetide: Red Wings front office shuffle could impact Oilers’ future.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ten prospects likely to be available when the Oilers make their first-round pick

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO PLAYERS?

From January to April 2015, under coach Todd Nelson, center Anton Lander played in 37 games, scoring 6-14-20. The games under Nelson were the only ones where Lander was used in a regular role (including PP & PK).

Derek Roy finished strong in 2014-15, scoring six goals in 13 March games. There was talk of a contract extension, but Chiarelli replaced Craig MacTavish and Roy never played another NHL game.

We all have a view of the team in our mind’s eye. Tobias Rieder and Kevin Gravel aren’t coming back, Jujhar Khaira and Alex Chiasson will be signed and we’ll all see about Jesse Puljujarvi. Ken Holland has zero attachment to any of them. Prospects even moreso, they’re names on a page. There’s a chance another NHL general manager has better knowledge about Dmitri Samorukov than Ken Holland.

WHO IS LEAVING (FRONT OFFICE)?

Impossible to know. Holland will want to bring in some of his own people, Nicholson will feel there are areas of strength in the organization. I imagine this has been discussed at length, but we may not see all the moves until after the draft and free agency.

There are names in play. Keith Gretzky was up for the general manager’s job, now the organization may attempt to have him slot in as AGM behind Holland. Sean Burke’s name has been mentioned heavily of late, he was spotted in Bakersfield recently and could be an addition to Holland’s staff.

Frank Seravalli joined Dustin Nielson this morning on TSN 1260, and said “I would expect to see some significant changes off the top. I imagine that was part of the process that went with Bob Nicholson during the interview. Where do you see yourself going? How do you see reshaping both our team and the front office? What do you need to do in order to be successful?”

WHO IS LEAVING (PLAYERS)?

It depends on Holland’s planned course. Is he going to aggressively move through this summer, trading unwanted assets with sweeteners and buying out expensive veterans? If so, we might see trades that involve the No. 8 overall selection, Dmitri Samorukov, Jesse Puljujarvi, basically any asset that isn’t projected to play a prominent role in 2019-20.

As for veterans, I can see Holland trading from strength, meaning LH defensemen. What might change from the previous regime’s outlook? Well, remember Holland has no connection to any of these players. Does that mean he will trade Darnell Nurse? It remains unlikely, but it’s more possible (more possible?) than it was a month ago. A LH depth chart of Klefbom-Sekera or Russell-Caleb Jones has plenty of torque.

If Holland is going Absolute All-In then we might see Lucic and No. 8 overall for a useful player, or Dmitri Samorukov and his future dealt for a useful player.

My hope is that he talks about the importance of drafting and developing and that he says something like “we’ll make trades that make sense now and in the future, but we’re not mortgaging tomorrow for a quick fix” but I’m not sure he will.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We’ll carry the Ken Holland avail live, and follow that up with a chorus of voices offering opinions. Those voices include Dave Jamieson, Jonathan Willis, Ryan Rishaug and others. We’ll sell you the whole seat, but you’ll only need the edge!! 10 this morning, TSN1260.

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pts2pndr

OriginalPouzar: I know it because Nicholson said so.

Glad you had a legitimate source.

pts2pndr

Bank Shot: I wouldn’t hold my breath on the trade front. Holland hasn’t made a significant hockey trade in 15 years.

We don’t need big/significant we need the smaller value deals that become significant in retrospect.

oilsnc79

OriginalPouzar:
That is a poor job of ignoring and an even poorer job of not responding.

What does Ken Holland have to do with the Oilers missing the playoffs 12 of the last 13 years.

What does the Oilers ineptitude over the last 13 years have to do with not agreeing that Holland has “smartest man in the room syndrome” given his reputation for non-ego, surrounding himself with very good hockey people and listening to them?

What does the Oilers ineptitude over the last 13 years have to do with my thoughts on Ken Holland’s response to the question on analytics?

Answer to all of those is nothing.

I get called out for being positive on Ken Holland and for being optimistic and, essentially told I should not be while, at the same time, reading about how great diversity of opinion is.

The reasoning being the ineptitude of the last 13 years which has nothing to do with anything i was responding to.

You can’t make this stuff up.

I will absolutely continue to post my opinion on what is written on this platform – until LT tells me to stop.

Right on Op

Rondo

Bob Stauffer

@Bob_Stauffer

Six names that COULD be in the mix as Oilers Head Coach:

Dave Tippett
Glen Gulutzan
Trent Yawney
Jay Woodcroft
Todd Nelson
Lane Lambert

Bank Shot

YKOil:
Will give Holland time.Good luck to him.I think he already has a trade or two mostly in place.

I wouldn’t hold my breath on the trade front. Holland hasn’t made a significant hockey trade in 15 years.

OriginalPouzar

Anton Lander just signed a 2-year deal with Lokomotiv – wonder if it has an NHL out clause. Recall, Landers’ small sample size of NHL productivity came when Nelson was running the team. Its a stretch to predict Nelson as and Oiler and then bringing back Lander but I wouldn’t be against Lander competing for the 4C spot.

Joe G./Lander/PRV – yes, Magnus!

OriginalPouzar

Big game for the Condors tonight – they don’t want to go down 3-1 in the series.

The new GM is in the building a guys like Marody (if he is healthy), Benson, Joe G. P. Russell, Lagesson, Bear, Jones, Bouchard and Starrett would do well for their 2019 paychecks by having plus games.

Wow, look at that list – those are all players with real chances to play NHL hockey on merit this coming season – obviously different ceilings (P. Russell as a bottom line energy guy and Bouchard with top pairing potential).

Holland spoke about the need for cheap role players that open things up for the more talented – P. Russell and Joe G. could do their careers big services by having a great couple of games (no doubt they will – they are both pretty consistently good at the AHL level).

BONE207

Munny:
One last post (hopefully)… sorry for inundating everyone today.

Spector was going off on ON today about how he was told by the Oilers they had two analytics guys, but they refused to tell him who they were.

He couldn’t believe it because these personnel aren’t secrets for any other team.The analytics positions are even posted on each team’s organisational charts on their nhl.com websites.

But not the Oilers’.

Aren’t they called: Slim & None?

Munny

–hudson–,

Maybe he was just talking about when they released the info, don’t know, I can’t speak for him. Seems strange tho’ for him to bring it up unless there was a problem. Maybe I misheard and it was access?

--hudson--

Munny:
One last post (hopefully)… sorry for inundating everyone today.

Spector was going off on ON today about how he was told by the Oilers they had two analytics guys, but they refused to tell him who they were.

He couldn’t believe it because these personnel aren’t secrets for any other team.The analytics positions are even posted on each team’s organisational charts on their nhl.com websites.

But not the Oilers’.The Wings’ guy is.

Wow that’s funny cause they’re listed right in the Oilers media guide. Does Spector not read it or just too lazy?

Justin Mahe and Andre Brin

Also mentioned here: https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/chiarellis-gang-taking-over-with-gretzky-hiring-as-remnants-of-craig-mactavish-dallas-eakins-era-swept-away/amp

Sean Draper has since left, his contract was not renewed last summer.

Bulging Twine

Munny:
Seeing Berube hug his player (Maroon)… you know these guys will go to war for their coach.I want a coach like that.

ya man! Let’s take a lesson from Jurgen Klopp. One of the best coaches in the world.
There is a real warmth between coach and player.

Munny

One last post (hopefully)… sorry for inundating everyone today.

Spector was going off on ON today about how he was told by the Oilers they had two analytics guys, but they refused to tell him who they were.

He couldn’t believe it because these personnel aren’t secrets for any other team. The analytics positions are even posted on each team’s organisational charts on their nhl.com websites.

But not the Oilers’. The Wings’ guy is.

pts2pndr

Bag of Pucks: To paraphrase an old country song, “If loathing the OBC is wrong, I don’t want to be right.”

It’s just not cool to beat a dead horse. Not withstanding the mistakes, character assassination is not called for. Anger and frustration with the same mistakes over and over is understandable. We need to give Holland a fair shot at fixing the mess we are in. Within a couple of months we will have a much better idea if it is same old or not. At that time if nothing has changed its a whole different story.

Munny

Hitch has basically offered himself as a pro scouting advisor to Holland, according to his interview on Primetime Sports today…

That must’ve made MacT a wee bit nervous.

Bylsma can’t be discounted as a possible coach, since he was an assistant in Detroit this past year.

--hudson--

Munny:
Ice Sage,

Cogs might have had the best look for the Stars.Hintz’s was pretty good too tho’.

The number of times Cogs got the puck through the neutral zone for his line tonight was impressive.

Only mistake from Cogs was his stone hands in the first OT. He could’ve or should’ve ended it there.

Pescador

Kinger_Oil.redux:
– When Holland talked about everyone having to sacrifice a little and used himself as a further example of a sacrifice by giving up GM to bring in Stevie., I got what he was saying. It was elegant and thoughtful.

– I just don’t think it works that way in Hockey or sport anymore. It’s a noble idea but sacrifice today is the home town discount Tavares gave the Leafs or McD have the Oil – sweet f?ck all.

– Only Brady sacrifices because his spouse makes more than he does. He can “sacrifice” and reasons that the extra 6mill he could get is better spent on surrounding him with better players in order to win more.

You’re suggesting that McDavid didn’t give the Oilers a discount?
You must be new here

Munny

Seeing Berube hug his player (Maroon)… you know these guys will go to war for their coach. I want a coach like that.

Munny

GordieHoweHatTrick: Now let’s get a call into Todd Nelson to discuss coaching possibilities…

I hope he is at least interviewed.

Munny

Ice Sage,

Cogs might have had the best look for the Stars. Hintz’s was pretty good too tho’.

The number of times Cogs got the puck through the neutral zone for his line tonight was impressive.

YKOil

Will give Holland time. Good luck to him. I think he already has a trade or two mostly in place.

Best wishes to Mr. Katz. Get well sir.

Maroon is all you want from a player who comes from the not-as-swift-as-everyone-else branch of the tree.

Would like Nelson to be the next coach.

Ice Sage

Pescador: Ex Oilers are always money in the playoffs

Except for Cogs, apparently?
Thing is there are just so many freaking ex-Oilers that it’s confirmation bias every night.
Tomorrow’s G7 won’t suffer this curse, though.

Victoria Oil

I like how Maroon mentioned that Binnington’s big save on Jamie Benn was the ‘TSN Turning Point’ – on NBC Sports.

GordieHoweHatTrick

GOOD for Patty !

Now let’s get a call into Todd Nelson to discuss coaching possibilities…

Ben

Gotta be Maroon and Bouwmeester. Would’ve both been good adds, especially considering what they got instead. Wonder what the ask was…

Bob Stauffer
@Bob_Stauffer
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In the middle of December the Oilers were discussing a deal with last place St.Louis to acquire a pending UFA…or 2…with Edmonton connections…

LMHF#1

Feeling awesome for Maroon. He deserved that.

geowal

Good for the Big Rig

Ben

Gerta Rauss:
That should free up Todd Nelson…yes..?

Kypreos was very deliberate and coy about Tippett tonight, would be really surprised if he didn’t get the job.

Ben

My playoff fandom is usually fuelled by hatred for a few of the remaining teams, but this year I kind of like pretty much everyone still standing. Sucks. Go Jerks/Blues I guess!

Nailer Yakumoto

So happy for Maroon, great guy.

Kinger_Oil.redux

– When Holland talked about everyone having to sacrifice a little and used himself as a further example of a sacrifice by giving up GM to bring in Stevie., I got what he was saying. It was elegant and thoughtful.

– I just don’t think it works that way in Hockey or sport anymore. It’s a noble idea but sacrifice today is the home town discount Tavares gave the Leafs or McD have the Oil – sweet f?ck all.

– Only Brady sacrifices because his spouse makes more than he does. He can “sacrifice” and reasons that the extra 6mill he could get is better spent on surrounding him with better players in order to win more.

Munny

What a game.

Munny

Gerta Rauss,

Yup.

smellyglove

Patrick Maroon with the double-OT 2nd round-winning goal.

Eberle a massive playoff beast.

Good thing the Oilers shed all that dead weight.

Am I right? AM I right? AM I RIGHT? AM I FUCKING RIGHT?

(goes to drink himself to sleep). Where can I burn a Chiarelli effigy?

Gerta Rauss

That should free up Todd Nelson…yes..?

Pescador

Gerta Rauss:
Maroon with the winner game 7 double OT

Ex Oilers are always money in the playoffs

Dixs35

Maroooooon. Love the celebration

Bag of Pucks

Big Rig in double OT!!! ?

Gerta Rauss

Maroon with the winner game 7 double OT

Munny

Maroooned!!

Bag of Pucks

Ben: Get a barn, you two.

Never punch a lawyer has to be a stronger maxim than never argue with one, no?

Ben

Bag of Pucks: WTFYou asked me a direct question?

Did you just do that so you could score points with this follow up?

Never argue with a lawyer. Never argue with people who are trained to create a moral vacuum. That’s the lesson here kids.

Get a barn, you two.

Bag of Pucks

OriginalPouzar:
That is a poor job of ignoring and an even poorer job of not responding

WTF You asked me a direct question?

Did you just do that so you could score points with this follow up?

Never argue with a lawyer. Never argue with people who are trained to create a moral vacuum. That’s the lesson here kids.

Kinger_Oil.redux

OriginalPouzar,

– Besides criticism towards Koski I don’t think many here would put you in the “I criticize Oiler management “.

– It’s one of your enduring qualities; your unreserved single mindedness cheer leading. You seldom opine or provide critical assessment of the organization

– Your always looking forst and foremost forward to the next game.

Professor Q

As an aside, I didn’t even notice the Star Trek conversation before having my own Andromeda conversation.

Both are great series, and both stem from the same great mind.

OriginalPouzar

That is a poor job of ignoring and an even poorer job of not responding.

What does Ken Holland have to do with the Oilers missing the playoffs 12 of the last 13 years.

What does the Oilers ineptitude over the last 13 years have to do with not agreeing that Holland has “smartest man in the room syndrome” given his reputation for non-ego, surrounding himself with very good hockey people and listening to them?

What does the Oilers ineptitude over the last 13 years have to do with my thoughts on Ken Holland’s response to the question on analytics?

Answer to all of those is nothing.

I get called out for being positive on Ken Holland and for being optimistic and, essentially told I should not be while, at the same time, reading about how great diversity of opinion is.

The reasoning being the ineptitude of the last 13 years which has nothing to do with anything i was responding to.

You can’t make this stuff up.

I will absolutely continue to post my opinion on what is written on this platform – until LT tells me to stop.

Kinger_Oil.redux

Markos:
My main concern with this hiring is the process. The timelines don’t really add up.Perhaps I missed it, but did they actually interview Holland as part of the hiring process? Looking at the timing of the U-18 tournament, Bob’s verbal about the negotiation with Holland being a quick process, has me concerned.

It looks to me like,they had a lengthy GM competition with some candidates getting a second look, but once Holland said he wants the job, then they abandoned the process and hired Holland. Where’s the due diligence and process? How can they justify this being any different than the old ways?

– thanks for this. You vocalized what I have been thinking.

– Chia fell onto Bobs lap: he couldn’t believe his good fortune that Chinwas there for the taking

– Holland : except for the 6 weeks of interviewing a bunch of people same thing: Bob couldn’t believe his good fortune that Holland was available

– I still think Holland will do a decent job. He’s the best choice we could have expected from Bob. No way Bob picks say Verbeek Hunter Keith combo over Holland

Professor Q

Reja: Vegas has the over-under at 6 years

Seamus Harper doesn’t know what to think about this.

Bag of Pucks

Nit64: Notice which Kirk chose the correct resolution and which one was in denial, nerd!!!

To paraphrase an old country song, “If loathing the OBC is wrong, I don’t want to be right.”

Professor Q

Munny:
If the Stars win this, Bishop’s mom should be the first interview.

One could say that she is a Saint.

Professor Q

The Stars are playing a LHD on the R and a RHD on the L, for one-time potential, in OT.

Woodguy’s phone is in shambles.