Sun Comes Up, It’s Tuesday Morning

This is going to be a memorable day for Edmonton Oilers fans. A general manager change is a fairly rate occurrence, although if this happens again in 2023 I’m not going to able to say that anymore.

  1. Bill Hunter 1972—1976
  2. Bep Guidolin 1976—1977
  3. Brian Conacher 1977—1978
  4. Larry Gordon 1978—1980
  5. Glen Sather 1980—2000
  6. Kevin Lowe 2000—2008
  7. Steve Tambellini 2008—2013
  8. Craig MacTavish 2013—2015
  9. Peter Chiarelli 2015-2019

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group.INSANE NEW OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • New Jonathan Willis: What does the arrival of Ken Holland mean for the Oilers coaching search?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • New Lowetide: Ken Holland’s Bakersfield production line: Elevating Jones and how long will success take?
  • New Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.
  • Lowetide: Should Oilers practice more patience in adding Evan Bouchard to the roster?
  • Jonathan Willis: Is Ken Holland yesterday’s man or the ideal GM candidate for the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi and his uncertain future with the Oilers
  • Lowetide: ‘I see something special’: Are Oilers prepared to make Caleb Jones a fixture on the roster next season?
  • Jonathan Willis: Gritty comeback performance sends Edmonton’s farm team to the second round of the AHL playoffs.
  • Lowetide: Dylan Cozens might be ideal fit for Oilers at No. 8 overall in the 2019 draft
  • New Lowetide: Is this the season the Oilers take the plunge and draft a USHL player in the first round?
  • Lowetide: Red Wings front office shuffle could impact Oilers’ future.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ten prospects likely to be available when the Oilers make their first-round pick

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO PLAYERS?

From January to April 2015, under coach Todd Nelson, center Anton Lander played in 37 games, scoring 6-14-20. The games under Nelson were the only ones where Lander was used in a regular role (including PP & PK).

Derek Roy finished strong in 2014-15, scoring six goals in 13 March games. There was talk of a contract extension, but Chiarelli replaced Craig MacTavish and Roy never played another NHL game.

We all have a view of the team in our mind’s eye. Tobias Rieder and Kevin Gravel aren’t coming back, Jujhar Khaira and Alex Chiasson will be signed and we’ll all see about Jesse Puljujarvi. Ken Holland has zero attachment to any of them. Prospects even moreso, they’re names on a page. There’s a chance another NHL general manager has better knowledge about Dmitri Samorukov than Ken Holland.

WHO IS LEAVING (FRONT OFFICE)?

Impossible to know. Holland will want to bring in some of his own people, Nicholson will feel there are areas of strength in the organization. I imagine this has been discussed at length, but we may not see all the moves until after the draft and free agency.

There are names in play. Keith Gretzky was up for the general manager’s job, now the organization may attempt to have him slot in as AGM behind Holland. Sean Burke’s name has been mentioned heavily of late, he was spotted in Bakersfield recently and could be an addition to Holland’s staff.

Frank Seravalli joined Dustin Nielson this morning on TSN 1260, and said “I would expect to see some significant changes off the top. I imagine that was part of the process that went with Bob Nicholson during the interview. Where do you see yourself going? How do you see reshaping both our team and the front office? What do you need to do in order to be successful?”

WHO IS LEAVING (PLAYERS)?

It depends on Holland’s planned course. Is he going to aggressively move through this summer, trading unwanted assets with sweeteners and buying out expensive veterans? If so, we might see trades that involve the No. 8 overall selection, Dmitri Samorukov, Jesse Puljujarvi, basically any asset that isn’t projected to play a prominent role in 2019-20.

As for veterans, I can see Holland trading from strength, meaning LH defensemen. What might change from the previous regime’s outlook? Well, remember Holland has no connection to any of these players. Does that mean he will trade Darnell Nurse? It remains unlikely, but it’s more possible (more possible?) than it was a month ago. A LH depth chart of Klefbom-Sekera or Russell-Caleb Jones has plenty of torque.

If Holland is going Absolute All-In then we might see Lucic and No. 8 overall for a useful player, or Dmitri Samorukov and his future dealt for a useful player.

My hope is that he talks about the importance of drafting and developing and that he says something like “we’ll make trades that make sense now and in the future, but we’re not mortgaging tomorrow for a quick fix” but I’m not sure he will.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We’ll carry the Ken Holland avail live, and follow that up with a chorus of voices offering opinions. Those voices include Dave Jamieson, Jonathan Willis, Ryan Rishaug and others. We’ll sell you the whole seat, but you’ll only need the edge!! 10 this morning, TSN1260.

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  1. pts2pndr says:

    godot10: Holland doesn’t have to be cutting edge.He has to hire cutting edge guys.Hire quality people under you and build a modern professioinal organization, and make quality decisions.That is what he has to do.

    Correct. You don’t have to be smart you have to surround yourself with a team of smart people. You do however have to be able to recognize smart in others.

  2. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    John Shannon

    Verified account

    @JSportsnet16m16 minutes ago
    More
    There’s been a lot made publicly today about how Daryl Katz looks. After asking a few questions, I can tell you he has been struggling with life threatening
    bacteria-resistant sinus infection over the past few years.

    ———————–

    More
    In fact, he carried an IV bag 24/7 during the playoff run, 2 seasons ago. The infection has a50-50 survival rate. He’s had 3 surgeries over the past 10 months with 1 more surgery to go. It is the primary reason why he hasn’t been around Edmonton and the team.

    Some kind of sick irony, given the fact that he runs a mutli-billion dollar pharmacy empire.

    Heres hoping that his appearnace at the presser today signals that he is well on the road to recovery.

    A good owner is one of the “Wild Cards” of professional sports. (Goalies and Heath are the other two in Hockey)

    Katz is an excellent owner. He’s going to drink from the cup in his lifetime. Book it!

  3. Munny says:

    Roster needs identified by Holland during his interview with Stauffer:

    (in no particular order)

    1. Goalie
    2. Secondary scoring
    3. Has to be some cheap players that help your team
    4. Lots of NHL-level defensemen on the team and Jones, Samo, Bouchard, Lagesson, Persson coming

    Likes skating but the playoffs are making it evident that the importance of size hasn’t disappeared. Need a good mix.

  4. Munny says:

    Stauffer throwing out some names for consideration at Head Coach:

    Tippett
    Nelson
    Gulutzan
    Bylsma
    Lambert
    Keefe
    and likely others

    HC will have to be hired by June 25, (UFA courtship date) and likely in place by first week of June.

  5. Jethro Tull says:

    Munny:
    Stauffer throwing out some names for consideration at Head Coach:

    Tippett
    Nelson
    Gulutzan
    Bylsma
    Lambert
    Keefe
    and likely others

    HC will have to be hired by June 25, (UFA courtship date) and likely in place by first week of June.

    Even Bylsma won a cup with Crosby…..

  6. RonnieB says:

    Andy Dufresne: Some kind of sick irony, given the fact that he runs a mutli-billion dollar pharmacy empire.

    Heres hoping that his appearnace at the presser today signals that he is well on the road to recovery.

    A good owner is one of the “Wild Cards” of professional sports. (Goalies and Heath are the other two in Hockey)

    Katz is an excellent owner. He’s going to drink from the cup in his lifetime. Book it!

    FYI
    Katz sold his pharmacy empire for some $3 billion in March, 2016.

  7. Doug McLachlan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    What is going on with Daryl Katz’s look?He needs to get out of the sun!

    Is this who @treenasOil keeps referring to as Garfield?

  8. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Munny:
    Stauffer throwing out some names for consideration at Head Coach:

    Tippett
    Nelson
    Gulutzan
    Bylsma
    Lambert
    Keefe
    and likely others

    HC will have to be hired by June 25, (UFA courtship date) and likely in place by first week of June.

    – I wonder how much consideration Nelson gets: he ticks a lot of boxes: someone he will be able to work with for awhile, worked together before. Is his own man. Unfinished business, excellent people skills, humble. Gets the job on merit. Doubt it’s him though

    – Plus it would be a massive F$UCK You to MacT who is the only GM in history that hires a coach but then goes and micro-manages him.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    Drai with a beauty pass to put the Germans up 1-0 in an exhibition game against the US.

    Tied up at 1 now.

  10. Munny says:

    Spector on ON: Holland a far more accessible GM than Chia.

  11. Jethro Tull says:

    So, Here Come the Sun or Once in a Lifetime? (Same as it ever was.)

    Let the Good Times Roll or Road To Nowhere?

    The more things change, the more they stay the same……

  12. Jethro Tull says:

    Munny:
    Spector on ON:Holland a far more accessible GM than Chia.

    Just wait until he gets to know you, Spec.

  13. Doug McLachlan says:

    Darth Tu:
    Name dropped Samorukov. I’m taking that to be a good thing.

    I noticed that too. Same sentence/paragraph as he name dropped Bouchard. Great to hear.

    Did not mention Caleb Jones or Bear but they are already professionals in his mind so may not be cause for alarm.

  14. Munny says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I think he will get A LOT of consideration.

    There will be an obstacle though if the Stars make the Finals.

  15. Doug McLachlan says:

    incubo_nero:
    I have a more optimistic take on his response re: analytics. It’s part of the tool bag. His hires in the coming months will tell us how he really feels about it.

    That’s how I heard it too.

    The tool box analogy sounded like he had just finished reading @petbugs13 article from Hockey Graphs on this very point.

    https://hockey-graphs.com/2019/05/06/its-time-to-stop-talking-about-analytics/

  16. Lowetide says:

    Doug McLachlan: I noticed that too.Same sentence/paragraph as he name dropped Bouchard.Great to hear.

    Did not mention Caleb Jones or Bear but they are already professionals in his mind so may not be cause for alarm.

    He mentioned both in the scrum.

  17. Doug McLachlan says:

    Lowetide,

    Good, haven’t got there yet. My work life and my life life are really interfering with my hockey fan life. Gotta get my priorities straight, man.

    Thanks LT

  18. Dustylegnd says:

    Pure Humor….Dutch keeps saying he thinks the Oilers can compete and make the playoffs in 1920 Ruh Ro…early onset mental slippage……I kid

  19. PinkSocks says:

    In lieu of Shannon’s tweets about Katz’s health condition, of which we were all unaware, I gotta say that it’s pretty fucking commendable for him to come and do a press conference knowing full well that his appearance is very shocking. For someone who stays in the shadows as much as Katz, putting himself out there because he realizes that the fan base needed to hear from the owner directly is extremely ballsy. Hats off to Daryl Katz and certainly well wishes for a full recovery.

  20. defmn says:

    PinkSocks,

    Agreed. It shows a lot of caring and courage.

  21. Todd Macallan says:

    Hitch coming up on Primetime Sports in a few mins

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: Samorukov is a true diamond in the rough, all indications are he could turn out to be the best of a good lot of young d-men,it makes no sense to consider trading such an asset.

    It makes sense that he’s coveted by other teams which he is.

  23. pts2pndr says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Pure Humor….Dutch keeps saying he thinks the Oilers can compete and make the playoffs in 1920 Ruh Ro…early onset mental slippage……I kid

    For the first time in what seems like forever there is the possibility of a few internal solutions. We also have several players that can pull the new kids along. While the internal solutions may seem risky, at least there is that possibility. We also have a few assets that can be used and there is the hope that we may be able to make some cap room with moving one or both of Russel and Sekera. The key is to get value back in all deals made and not ten cents on the dollar.

  24. Rebillled says:

    Liverpool up 3-0…wow

  25. leadfarmer says:

    Damn.
    This team is even trying to kill Katz.
    Did he put Klefboms towel up to his nose

  26. Munny says:

    Hitchcock on McCowan’s show: I don’t really know what I am going to do yet. Will be helping in some way. This team means the world to me, I want to work, I want to help Kenny, I want to be of some use in some way.

    There were some great jokes on what his title is to enter the interview.

  27. Alpine says:

    4-3 Liverpool. Insanity.

  28. Munny says:

    Hitchcock: Was reinvigorated by working in Edmonton, fascinated by the fans, BUT also the attention away from the rink was overwhelming. Takes real conviction because the fans are so intelligent..

  29. Munny says:

    Hitchcock on describing Holland:

    No nonsense evaluator. You’re either helping or you’re hurting the team and has no time for anyone who doesn’t help, whether they’re a star or not.

    Holland likes role players who can create space for the star players.

    Team needs role players that don’t suck up the coaching staff’s time and energy, that know what to do and are willing to bring it game in and game out.

  30. Munny says:

    Hitchcock: believes this imminently fixable and pretty quick because they have the top end guys. Can spend years looking for those guys, bidding wars, etc (didn’t mention DVDs).

  31. Munny says:

    Holland’s advice for Holland:

    Help the leadership group among the players, ie McDeity and Drai, to grow and lead.

    And that was the end of the segment.

  32. Rebillled says:

    Alpine,

    4th goal was hilarious.

  33. Justthestatsman says:

    Just read through the GM timeline. Not that the team’s fortunes changed much after he left, but it’s astounding that Steve Tambellini lasted 5 years.

  34. Pescador says:

    Munny:
    Holland’s advice for Holland:

    Help the leadership group among the players, ie McDeity and Drai, to grow and lead.

    And that was the end of the segment.

    Provide stability with stability for the sake of stability
    The whole presser made me feel unstable

  35. Munny says:

    Pescador,

    I can’t disagree with Holland’s word of the day… especially when a large part of the player group are essentially kids.

    How many points did the off-ice distractions of the past season cost us?

    Nuge can’t even remember the coaches’ names any more he’s seen so many.

  36. Nit64 says:

    Pescador: Provide stability with stability for the sake of stability
    The whole presser made me feel unstable

    The Reinhart deal for a quick win. The Hall deal for quick results. Unstability pays premium.

    Stability involves change. Holland indicated he gets to real stability by replacing Hitch now, not next year.

  37. LookingforKovi says:

    I’m just looking at the tsn announcement with Katz’s picture, and when did Katz turn into Mickey Rourke?

  38. godot10 says:

    Munny:
    Hitchcock: believes this imminently fixable and pretty quick because they have the top end guys.Can spend years looking for those guys, bidding wars, etc(didn’t mention DVDs).

    Hitchcock has never been a GM in cap hell.

  39. Bag of Pucks says:

    I think a huge part of the value derived from Holland will boil down to who follows him from Detroit vs who stays in the Motor City to work with Yzerman.

    Hearing how chummy he is and has been with Burgers doesn’t give me a ton of confidence that the OBC axe will swing deep. They are emphasizing he has autonomy but only time will tell. 60 days from now if there’s been minimal firings, I’ll be worried.

    The conclusion reached by the OBC seems to be Chia didn’t use them enough. Hopefully Holland will assess and see there’s little there of use to leverage. Their record speaks for itself.

    AND the bumbling answer on analytics was beyond disappointing. It’s the same trite perspective on data being subservient to eye/gut/experience. No Ken, it’s not there for confirmation bias, it’s there to help eliminate it. Your scouts aren’t super computers. They have inherent limitations.

    We have our new smartest man in the room now. We have to hope like hell it will be enough.

  40. Nit64 says:

    LookingforKovi:
    I’m just looking at the tsn announcement with Katz’s picture, and when did Katz turn into MickeyRourke?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-oilers-daryl-katz-illness-1.5126650

  41. godot10 says:

    Justthestatsman:
    Just read through the GM timeline.Not that the team’s fortunes changed much after he left, but it’s astounding that Steve Tambellini lasted 5 years.

    Steve Tambellini would have been a successful GM if he had been able to fire the entrenched pro-scouting group. It was the only part of the organization that he was not permitted to overhaul.

    Everything else in the organization was functioning pretty well. He draft picks were decent. He hired good coaches in the NHL and AHL.

    His failure was that he was not a talent evaluator and relied on the advice of the pro scouts.

    He also left a team with a pristine cap situation when he was replaced by MacT.

  42. striatic says:

    This rollout of Holland today has shot up a bunch of red flags.

  43. Munny says:

    godot10: Hitchcock has never been a GM in cap hell.

    Neither have you. 😉

    There’s probably no bigger student of the game… physically. I kid. He knows his shit and he’s worked for teams and competed against teams that are capstrung.

    His point, which your glib remark glosses over, is that it takes A LOT longer and is a lot more difficult to get top end talent. Any fan of the Oilers in the 90s knows what a lengthy, miserable battle this is.

  44. Munny says:

    Bag of Pucks: They are emphasizing he has autonomy but only time will tell. 60 days from now if there’s been minimal firings, I’ll be worried.

    Scout contracts are always termed to June 30. The first week of July will be a big tell.

  45. Todd Macallan says:

    Nit64: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-oilers-daryl-katz-illness-1.5126650

    Yeah, for those who maybe missed it on the previous page of comments, Daryl has been fighting life threatening chronic sinus infections for 3 years and has had multiple facial surgeries.

    John Shannon is covering it well on Twitter, luckily sounds like the prognosis is positive now. I for one have tremendous respect for him speaking in public knowing full well his appearance is drastically different, especially for a guy who normally prefers to operate behind the scenes.

  46. Munny says:

    Nit64: The Reinhart deal for a quick win. The Hall deal for quick results. Unstability pays premium.

    The Reinhart deal was especially destabilizing IMO, because it destabilized the pipeline.

  47. JOFA says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    I think a huge part of the value derived from Holland will boil down to who follows him from Detroit vs who stays in the Motor City to work with Yzerman.

    Hearing how chummy he is and has been with Burgers doesn’t give me a ton of confidence that the OBC axe will swing deep. They are emphasizing he has autonomy but only time will tell. 60 days from now if there’s been minimal firings, I’ll be worried.

    The conclusion reached by the OBC seems to be Chia didn’t use them enough. Hopefully Holland will assess and see there’s little there of use to leverage. Their record speaks for itself.

    AND the bumbling answer on analytics was beyond disappointing. It’s the same trite perspective on data being subservient to eye/gut/experience. No Ken, it’s not there for confirmation bias, it’s there to help eliminate it. Your scouts aren’t super computers. They have inherent limitations.

    We have our new smartest man in the room now. We have to hope like hell it will be enough.

    Agreed on all fronts. This is extremely concerning. Bumbling Bob intervening to take Gregor’s question that was intended for Holland said a lot IMO. The “good pieces” quote surfaces once again. If I’m a betting man, MacT stays 100%. It will be guys like Sutter, Green, and possibly Howson that will be the sacrificial lambs. The fact that KG gets the green light without any due diligence by Holland speaks volumes as well. Same old. *sigh*

  48. Pescador says:

    striatic:
    This rollout of Holland today has shot up a bunch of red flags.

    Such as…?

  49. Pescador says:

    Munny:
    Pescador,

    I can’t disagree with Holland’s word of the day… especially when a large part of the player group are essentially kids.

    How many points did the off-ice distractions of the past season cost us?

    Nuge can’t even remember the coaches’ names any more he’s seen so many.

    Holland, Hunter & Gretzky.
    For me it was the correct hire.
    As for Nuge, pretty sure he remembers Todd Nelson’s name
    It’s Julian

  50. Bag of Pucks says:

    It occurs to me that there’s a fantastic opportunity here to prove the value of analytics. Now that the Oilers have essentially set a new starting line, we as a community could essentially create an ongoing mirror roster that would track player production and cap efficiencies based on what our data tells us about optimal draft pick or pro scouting acquisition.

    Essentially everytime the org makes a transaction, we could make a corresponding transaction that assumes equal acquisiton cost. They draft their best eyeball pick in the 1st. We take the best available analytics pick in the 1st. They sign an FA with a $4mil cap hit. We do the same from the best available options with advanced stats as our guide.

    If LT was so inclined, we could even discuss then vote on these moves here essentially crowd sourcing the preferred fancy stat move.

    Yes it’s a litte fantasy/theoretical and a lot Reinhart vs Barzal, but if nothing else it could be fun and a very educational process for team and community alike.

    More importanlty, if in 3 or 4 years time, our data driven theoretical roster was clearly superior to the actual roster, maybe they’d have to stop foisting this bs that experience always trumps actual analytic insight.

  51. Darth Tu says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    It occurs to me that there’s a fantastic opportunity here to prove the value of analytics. Now that the Oilers have essentially set a new starting line, we as a community could essentially create an ongoing mirror roster that would track player production and cap efficiencies based on what our data tells us about optimal draft pick or pro scouting acquisition.

    Essentially everytime the org makes a transaction, we could make a corresponding transaction that assumes equal acquisiton cost. They draft their best eyeball pick in the 1st. We take the best available analytics pick in the 1st. They sign an FA with a $4mil cap hit. We do the same from the best available options with advanced stats as our guide.

    If LT was so inclined, we could even discuss then vote on these moves here essentially crowd sourcing the preferred fancy stat move.

    Yes it’s a litte fantasy/theoretical and a lot Reinhart vs Barzal, but if nothing else it could be fun and a very educational process for team and community alike.

    I like your plan, why don’t we go one further and enact something similar to this:

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46309834

    As a side note, Football Manager stole years of my life. I haven’t touched it since giving up for my Honours Year at University, and can say that I’m still an addict.

  52. Markos says:

    My main concern with this hiring is the process. The timelines don’t really add up. Perhaps I missed it, but did they actually interview Holland as part of the hiring process? Looking at the timing of the U-18 tournament, Bob’s verbal about the negotiation with Holland being a quick process, has me concerned.

    It looks to me like, they had a lengthy GM competition with some candidates getting a second look, but once Holland said he wants the job, then they abandoned the process and hired Holland. Where’s the due diligence and process? How can they justify this being any different than the old ways?

  53. Bag of Pucks says:

    Darth Tu: I like your plan, why don’t we go one further and enact something similar to this:

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46309834

    As a side note, Football Manager stole years of my life.I haven’t touched it since giving up for my Honours Year at University, and can say that I’m still an addict.

    That’s pretty damn cool. You can always count on the French being out of the box thinkers.

    To be clear, I am just suggesting we build, track and quantify a shadow roster. I’m not suggesting we coach the team 😏

    Imagine a theoretical pro scouting acquisition based on something like woodmoneys that derived triple the production of a player the Oil signed at a comparable cap hit? Not only would that embarrass them, it might force them to dive back to learn how that player was sourced, discussed and agreed upon using data as the guideposts. Huge value to a franchise swimming in the shallow end of the big data pool.

  54. JOFA says:

    Markos:
    My main concern with this hiring is the process. The timelines don’t really add up.Perhaps I missed it, but did they actually interview Holland as part of the hiring process? Looking at the timing of the U-18 tournament, Bob’s verbal about the negotiation with Holland being a quick process, has me concerned.

    It looks to me like,they had a lengthy GM competition with some candidates getting a second look, but once Holland said he wants the job, then they abandoned the process and hired Holland. Where’s the due diligence and process? How can they justify this being any different than the old ways?

    Not to worry…they’ll do the interview on the golf course in the next few weeks.

  55. Pescador says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I wonder how much consideration Nelson gets: he ticks a lot of boxes:someone he will be able to work with for awhile, worked together before.Is his own man.Unfinished business, excellent people skills, humble. Gets the job on merit.Doubt it’s him though

    – Plus it would be a massive F$UCK You to MacT who is the only GM in history that hires a coach but then goes and micro-manages him.

    I don’t see any reason why Nelson wouldn’t get an interview.
    He would be my choice.
    I have always help Tippett in high regard, he seems to get the most out of his roster and typically had the least to work with.
    Which would suit the current roster to a T

  56. Munny says:

    Pescador: Holland, Hunter & Gretzky.
    For me it was the correct hire.

    Ha! Figured so… I actually always just assume you’re being facetious till the post gives me evidence otherwise, lol.

    But, on the GM topic, can you imagine the blowback if they had hired a rookie GM and it came out they had turned Ken Holland down? The only name that could possibly outrank Holland’s is Lamoriello’s. This is like hiring Babcock or Quenneville for coach. The street cred is chronicles of ridic.

    They had to do it. And I personally am going to have some faith till we have evidence that he doesn’t believe in process, or assembling good organisational teams, or leveraging sports science or analytics, etc.

    And if all that comes out and we continue to slide, the name I will be calling for is Bob Nicholson’s.

  57. McSorley33 says:

    Too many cliches to really read too much into the press conference.

    If I remember correctly, I liked what PC has to say when he first arrived.

    Actions speak louder than words.

    We will have to wait to see what Holland actually does here….

    The one thing I value in Holland is his actions on not throwing teenagers into the NHL
    to “develop”

    I have quoted Jim Nill ( Holland’s protege) many, many, many times here.

    “Throwing a teenager in to the NHL constitutes Cruel and Unusual Punishment”

    Of one thing, I am extremely confident, a Holland regime will develop prospects correctly.

    .

  58. Munny says:

    McSorley33,

    This trip New Holland is making to the farm team in Cali is uber important. Probably give him a better idea than TC of who’s ripe. And he needs an idea of how much roster he can fill internally before free agent frenzy.

  59. Munny says:

    Pescador: I don’t see any reason why Nelson wouldn’t get an interview.
    He would be my choice.
    I have always help Tippett in high regard, he seems to get the most out of his roster and typically had the least to work with.

    I think there will be a lot of hockey people giving KH advice to get a vet coach in there, considering the coaching matchups in the West.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    Hitchcock on describing Holland:

    No nonsense evaluator. You’re either helping or you’re hurting the team and has no time for anyone who doesn’t help, whether they’re a star or not.

    Holland likes role players who can create space for the star players.

    Team needs role players that don’t suck up the coaching staff’s time and energy, that know what to do and are willing to bring it game in and game out.

    Joe G. and Patrick Russell (and Josh Currie) could do their careers well by having big games against S. Diego in games 3 and 4……

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    The answer on analytics was fine.

    Collect the data and use the data – don’t be a slave to the data.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    We do not have the “smartest man in the room” – that syndrome comes with ego and stubbornness, as shown by the previous GM. From all accounts I’ve read, the new GM does not come with ego – to me this means the ability to learn from mistakes and clearly the intellect not to make them again. Acknowledging bad decisions over the last few years was also nice to hear.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: Scout contracts are always termed to June 30.The first week of July will be a big tell.

    Changes to the amateur and pro scouting departments will likely happen over the next few weeks – they aren’t going to wait until post draft.

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    JOFA: Agreed on all fronts. This is extremely concerning. Bumbling Bob intervening to take Gregor’s question that was intended for Holland said a lot IMO. The “good pieces” quote surfaces once again. If I’m a betting man, MacT stays 100%. It will be guys like Sutter, Green, and possibly Howson that will be the sacrificial lambs. The fact that KG gets the green light without any due diligence by Holland speaks volumes as well. Same old. *sigh*

    You don’t think that Holland knows Keith Gretzky extremely well given they’ve both been in the league for two decades? Not to mention, Gretzky was very involved with the hire of Holland. There should be no need for Holland to do any additional diligence on Gretzky in order to determine if he wants him on his staff.

  65. Nit64 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    We do not have the “smartest man in the room” – that syndrome comes with ego and stubbornness, as shown by the previous GM.From all accounts I’ve read, the new GM does not come with ego – to me this means the ability to learn from mistakes and clearly the intellect not to make them again. Acknowledging bad decisions over the last few years was also nice to hear.

    ~ I’m surprised. I was quite certain that when you tuned in there was going to be a deal breaker that would end your short break from relentless negativity ~

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    Markos:
    My main concern with this hiring is the process. The timelines don’t really add up.Perhaps I missed it, but did they actually interview Holland as part of the hiring process? Looking at the timing of the U-18 tournament, Bob’s verbal about the negotiation with Holland being a quick process, has me concerned.

    It looks to me like,they had a lengthy GM competition with some candidates getting a second look, but once Holland said he wants the job, then they abandoned the process and hired Holland. Where’s the due diligence and process? How can they justify this being any different than the old ways?

    Nicholson spoke with and met Holland throughout the entire process – this “formal interview” requirement is odd – there are countless ways to “interview” someone that don’t include scheduling “an interview”, putting on your best suit, going to reception, getting a water in the waiting room and then sitting down in a room across a table.

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    McSorley33,

    This trip New Holland is making to the farm team in Cali is uber important.Probably give him a better idea than TC of who’s ripe.And he needs an idea of how much roster he can fill internally before free agent frenzy.

    Yup – much more can be gleaned regarding NHL readiness from these prospects playing AHL games than anything that happens in camp.

  68. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    We do not have the “smartest man in the room” – that syndrome comes with ego and stubbornness, as shown by the previous GM.From all accounts I’ve read, the new GM does not come with ego – to me this means the ability to learn from mistakes and clearly the intellect not to make them again. Acknowledging bad decisions over the last few years was also nice to hear.

    It also comes from thinking you’re smarter than the data. The OBC has been listening to each other for years but they’re still a collection of ‘smartest men in the room’ because all they’re doing is feeding each other’s ‘we know about winning’ egos and confirmation biases.

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  70. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The answer on analytics was fine.

    Collect the data and use the data – don’t be a slave to the data.

    His answer was extremely vague and related to coach usage primarily. Not one specific example of how data helps to inform his drafting or pro scouting decisions. It was a lip service to the analytics crowd response imo.

  71. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: Changes to the amateur and pro scouting departments will likely happen over the next few weeks – they aren’t going to wait until post draft.

    I disagree with “likely” for the amateur side. Can’t be any better than 50/50 IMO and that seems high. Keep in mind they won’t be able to replace those personnel till July 1.

    They may have some flexibility on the pro side… and will probably want to get something in place prior to the free agency courtship period.

  72. Bag of Pucks says:

    OP

    Honest question. Why do such a large majority of your posts seem so intent on carrying water for the Oiler brass?

    People are going to parse their language and actions based on our own opinions and biases. That’s what a public forum does and the diversity of opinion is actually a strength of the medium.

    Why are you so invested in this thought police effort and what in the name of common sense makes you think your personal opinions on this will ever trump what someone else has concluded about this org based on their own intel?

    You want to give Oiler mgmt the benefit of the doubt. We get it. Some of us do not. Get over it already.

  73. Nit64 says:

    Bag of Pucks: You want to give Oiler mgmt the benefit of the doubt. We get it. Some of us do not. Get over it already.

    ~ You don’t want to give Oiler mgmt the benefit of the doubt. We get it. Some of us do. Get over it already. ~

    #LetThatBeYourLastBattlefield

  74. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: Nicholson spoke with and met Holland throughout the entire process – this “formal interview” requirement is odd – there are countless ways to “interview” someone that don’t include scheduling “an interview”, putting on your best suit, going to reception, getting a water in the waiting room and then sitting down in a room across a table.

    +1
    This seems like a more reasonable scenario when you’ve never met this person before.
    Holland & Nicholson have known each other for years.
    Based on NHL experience KH should be the one interviewing BN.

  75. Bag of Pucks says:

    Nit64: ~ You don’t want to give Oiler mgmt the benefit of the doubt. We get it. Some of us do. Get over it already. ~

    #LetThatBeYourLastBattlefield

    If youre suggesting something about the balance of differing opinions, it might be prudent to factor in the sheer volume of OP posts. I don’t know that balance is achievable for the average poster.

  76. Pescador says:

    Munny: I think there will be a lot of hockey people giving KH advice to get a vet coach in there, considering the coaching matchups in the West.

    They probably will,
    Another takeaway I had from the presser was that KH will consider your opinion but ultimately has a mind of his own.
    I have confidence in Todd Nelson’s ability to handle the rigors of being an NHL head coach.
    What am I basing this on?
    Gut analytics

  77. Nit64 says:

    Bag of Pucks: If youre suggesting something about the balance of differing opinions, it might be prudent to factor in the sheer volume of OP posts. I don’t know that balance is achievable for the average poster.

    I’m suggesting that this comes across like a scene from Let That Be Your Last Battlefield 😉

  78. Westchester Oil says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    We do not have the “smartest man in the room” – that syndrome comes with ego and stubbornness, as shown by the previous GM.From all accounts I’ve read, the new GM does not come with ego – to me this means the ability to learn from mistakes and clearly the intellect not to make them again. Acknowledging bad decisions over the last few years was also nice to hear.

    Well said.

  79. pts2pndr says:

    Bag of Pucks: His answer was extremely vague and related to coach usage primarily. Not one specific example of how data helps to inform his drafting or pro scouting decisions. It was a lip service to the analytics crowd response imo.

    In fairness vague on how he uses data prior to the draft while informing us is prudent. Being specific while nice for us as fans could also be used by his competition to help them determine what the Oilers might do.

  80. stephen sheps says:

    Nit64,

    which one is Bele and which one is Lokai?

  81. Bag of Pucks says:

    pts2pndr,

    Yep. I’m not suggesting he give up the caramilk secret but I think you can speak intelligently to how that info can inform the process without diving into datapoints.

    Pretty vague and cursory imo but if it impressed others, awesome.

  82. Nit64 says:

    stephen sheps:
    Nit64,

    which one is Bele and which one is Lokai?

    Neither. One hopes.

    If you’re worried up about someone dominating the board, you’re probably worried about dominating the board.

  83. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Changes to the amateur and pro scouting departments will likely happen over the next few weeks – they aren’t going to wait until post draft.

    Very unlikely the amateur scouts change till July. That is when scouts move. Anyone hired now from another organization can’t participate in this draft.

  84. Bag of Pucks says:

    Nit64: Neither. One hopes.

    If you’re worried up about someone dominating the board, you’re probably worried about dominating the board.

    Fair enough. I’ll go back to an earlier MO of skipping over these posts to avoid my daily diet of pro mgmt spin.

  85. Reja says:

    Bag of Pucks: It also comes from thinking you’re smarter than the data. The OBC has been listening to each other for years but they’re still a collection of ‘smartest men in the room’ because all they’re doing is feeding each other’s ‘we know about winning’ egos and confirmation biases.

    I’m old school the OBC is old school will see if your old school when you get old. Maybe the next GM will be a virtual reality Female with a sexy voice and 24 hour data and surveillance. What do human beings that actually were good enough and not just in their heads know about hockey compared to a virtual reality GM.

  86. Bag of Pucks says:

    Nit64: I’m suggesting that this comes across like a scene from Let That Be Your Last Battlefield 😉

    Nothing dispels the stereotype of hockey analytics advocates living in their Mom’s basement quite like a Trekkie reference. 😏

  87. Bag of Pucks says:

    Reja: I’m old school the OBC is old school willsee if your old school when you get old. Maybe the next GM will be a virtual reality Female with a sexy voice and 24 hour data and surveillance. What do human beings that actually were good enough and not just in their heads know about hockey compared to a virtual reality GM.

    I like humans a lot but this franchise is getting lapped by forward thinking organizations that have embraced analyses popularized by the business sector more than a decade ago.

    I like Holland more than Chiarelli, but like Chiarelli, the hire is reflective of a process that rates reputation and familiarity over innovation and new insights.

  88. Professor Q says:

    Reja: I’m old school the OBC is old school willsee if your old school when you get old. Maybe the next GM will be a virtual reality Female with a sexy voice and 24 hour data and surveillance. What do human beings that actually were good enough and not just in their heads know about hockey compared to a virtual reality GM.

    Can said virtual GM be Andromeda (Rommie) from Andromeda?

  89. JOFA says:

    I have to admit that listening to the press conference live on the radio today compared to watching the press conference on the computer made me feel different. I much preferred watching the press conference and feel a little more hopeful than I did listening to it. Strange?

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    OP

    Honest question. Why do such a large majority of your posts seem so intent on carrying water for the Oiler brass?

    People are going to parse their language and actions based on our own opinions and biases. That’s what a public forum does and the diversity of opinion is actually a strength of the medium.

    Why are you so invested in this thought police effort and what in the name of common sense makes you think your personal opinions on this will ever trump what someone else has concluded about this org based on their own intel?

    You want to give Oiler mgmt the benefit of the doubt. We get it. Some of us do not. Get over it already.

    I’m not sure why I’m even responding to you given the lack of respect you’ve shown me in the past (and continue to, clearly).

    I don’t carry water for anyone, i post my opinions on what I read, see and hear.

    I’m not invested in any sort of “police effort”:

    – I read the blog and respond to points that I have thoughts about.

    – I read the comments and respond to points I have thoughts about.

    I have never said that my opinions mean more than anyone else’s. If I read an opinion I agree with, I often respond to it and carry forward the topic. If I read an opinion I disagree with, I often respond with my counter thoughts on the subject.

    You want to try and find the negative in every thing Oiler mgmt does and often stretch to get there. We get it. Some of us do not. Get over it already.

    You speak about strength of diversity being a strength and then bash and disrespect me for having a different opinion.

    I will continue to provide my opinion as I please and respond to opinions I do not agree with

  91. JOFA says:

    OriginalPouzar: You don’t think that Holland knows Keith Gretzky extremely well given they’ve both been in the league for two decades? Not to mention, Gretzky was very involved with the hire of Holland. There should be no need for Holland to do any additional diligence on Gretzky in order to determine if he wants him on his staff.

    I don’t know if Holland knows Keith Gretzky extremely well. It’s a big league. What I do know is that it smells a lot like when Chia took over and kept MacT on staff. Do you really believe that Keith Gretzky is his first choice? May I ask how you know that Gretzky was “very involved” with the hiring of Holland? Holland is reported as saying he hasn’t even spoken to Keith yet.

  92. Nit64 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Nothing dispels the stereotype of hockey analytics advocates living in their Mom’s basement quite like a Trekkie reference.

    Nothing. I’ll go with Princess Bride next time. 😉

  93. pts2pndr says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    pts2pndr,

    Yep. I’m not suggesting he give up the caramilk secret but I think you can speak intelligently to how that info can inform the process without diving into datapoints.

    Pretty vague and cursory imo but if it impressed others, awesome.

    Not saying I was impressed and I understand your concern. I believe or should say I hope he will have the required analytics expertise available to him. I do not believe it is imperative for him to be an expert.

  94. Todd Macallan says:

    https://edmontonsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/they-wont-influence-me-holland-has-no-ties-to-former-oilers:

    “They won’t influence me,” he said. “I’m coming from the outside. I don’t have any relationships with those people. Daryl and Bob have made it very clear that I can do what I have to do.”

    “Here, I haven’t been around for the glory days. I’m aware of the glory days. I’m aware of the history of this franchise, but we need to make new memories going forward because you can only live in the past for so long.”

    Very promising indeed.

  95. Derek says:

    Burger Bob jumping in to answer questions.

    The need for stability in upper management.

    Darryl Katz apologizing to the fans and promising to be better.

    This is Groundhog Day folks.

    The Edmonton Oilers organization will get the benefit of the doubt when they’ve earned it with some talk and some action that doesn’t look the same as the last decade and a half, and not a minute before.

    I’m sorry to hear of Darryl Katz illness and hope that hes alright.

    Everything else is the same old, same old until they can prove that it isn’t. Lets not spin narratives about how this time its different, until its actually different.

  96. Oil2Oilers says:

    Yesterday in the comments section I made snide and disparaging remarks about the likely performance of the press Corps at todays press conference announcing Holland as GM.

    I would like to partially retract those comments.

    I heard little of substance or interest from the questions asked by the reporters in attendance, and Hall of Fame Matty further harmed is legacy.

    But, and this is a BUT, later on his afternoon broadcast Stauffer and Spector – of all characters – had a longish conversation about the Oilers need to invest in an analytics department and sports science. Or as I would put it evidence based decision making.

    If these two characters continue to question the organization on this topic, and they have the access to do so, maybe senior management might make so hires to save face.

    Kudos to Stauffer and Spector for acknowledging that it something that should be looked into. The 70’s furniture shop ain’t yet dead but at least some of the neighbors are starting to point out the toupee wearing sales staff aren’t helping.

  97. Reja says:

    Bag of Pucks: I like humans a lot but this franchise is getting lapped by forward thinking organizations that have embraced analyses popularized by the business sector more than a decade ago.

    I like Holland more than Chiarelli, but like Chiarelli, the hire is reflective of a process that rates reputation and familiarity over innovation and new insights.

    Honest question whose fault is it Gagne Magnus Nurse Nuge Yak Jesse Kelfbom Yamo aren’t Allstars none of them were reach picks why is Leon such a beast what did they do differently. Why Chris why didn’t We have Sather to protect your ass it’s a curse I tell you bring back Pronger and pay him well and Let’s end the Curse.

  98. Munny says:

    Bag of Pucks: If youre suggesting something about the balance of differing opinions, it might be prudent to factor in the sheer volume of OP posts. I don’t know that balance is achievable for the average poster.

    So you would be happier if the greater volume of posts echoed your opinion and not OP’s? I don’t think you’re really into diversity of opinion.

    I mean, you take personal shots like this one at N64, a guy who has been contributing here since Hitchcock invented dirt:

    Bag of Pucks: Nothing dispels the stereotype of hockey analytics advocates living in their Mom’s basement quite like a Trekkie reference.

    …which do nothing to move the conversation forward, but rather are there to display your displeasure with the views of others… rather than giving space to differing opinions.

    I’ve never seen OP do that to any poster.

  99. Nit64 says:

    Munny: I mean, you take personal shots like this at N64, a guy who has been contributing since Hitchcock invented dirt:

    Did not take that nerd joke as a personal shot. Took it as as between us nerds.

  100. Munny says:

    Nit64: Did not take that nerd joke as a personal shot. Took it as pointing both ways.

    Stop picking nits! lol

    I dunno man. Your comment was about his comment. His was about the kind of person who makes such a comment. But I may have mistook BoP, in which case I apologize.

  101. Nit64 says:

    Munny: Sop picking nits!lol

    I dunno man. Your comment was about his comment. His was about the kind of person who makes such a comment.But I may have mistook BoP, in which case I apologize.

    Looked more like:

    Hey Nerd. Signed. A Nerd.

  102. Dr. Taboggan says:

    That presser was painful. Bobby Burger really does not inspire confidence. At all. Yikes.

    Although Holland has signed some bad contracts he has not made any Seguinesque trades and is above average at drafting and developing. I am 65% sure he will be an improvement over Chia.

  103. Bag of Pucks says:

    Nit64: Did not take that nerd joke as a personal shot. Took it as as between us nerds.

    That was the correct read. More accurately, I would say I’m the evil Kirk to OP’s boy scout.

  104. Munny says:

    Nit64: Looked more like:

    Hey Nerd. Signed. A Nerd.

    Ahh, that I did not get.

    I’ve heard basement dwellers referred to a couple of times today, listening to the whole Holland hullabaloo on radio and that TeeVee thingie… thought BoP’s comment had been made in the same vein.

    Sorry, Pucks.

  105. Munny says:

    Bag of Pucks: That was the correct read. More accurately, I would say I’m the evil Kirk to OP’s boy scout.

    Well isn’t that Mirror, Mirror?

    I think I just broke a brain cell.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    JOFA: I don’t know if Holland knows Keith Gretzky extremely well. It’s a big league. What I do know is that it smells a lot like when Chia took over and kept MacT on staff. Do you really believe that Keith Gretzky is his first choice? May I ask how you know that Gretzky was “very involved” with the hiring of Holland? Holland is reported as saying he hasn’t even spoken to Keith yet.

    I know it because Nicholson said so.

  107. Munny says:

    It will be a tragedy if the Blues don’t win this puppy…

  108. Nit64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I know it because Nicholson said so.

    ~ Hey Keith, can he eat your lunch? Sure Boss ~

  109. Nit64 says:

    Bag of Pucks: That was the correct read. More accurately, I would say I’m the evil Kirk to OP’s boy scout.

    Or evil Kirk to good Kirk. They needed both voices in the end, Nerd.

  110. Reja says:

    Professor Q: Can said virtual GM be Andromeda (Rommie) from Andromeda?

    Vegas has the over-under at 6 years

  111. JOFA says:

    OriginalPouzar: s

    If that’s the case, can we agree that it would be extremely dysfunctional to have your interim GM interviewing for the same job, yet helping his boss select his competition. That sounds strange no? But Oilers😊

  112. JOFA says:

    OP,

    Do you have a source? Or did I just completely miss something?

  113. Reja says:

    Munny:
    It will be a tragedy if the Blues don’t win this puppy…

    The real tragedy is the Oilers not in the playoffs. Cogs Fedun Maroon Perron have to go with Cogs.

  114. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not sure why I’m even responding to you given the lack of respect you’ve shown me in the past (and continue to, clearly).

    I don’t carry water for anyone, i post my opinions on what I read, see and hear.

    I’m not invested in any sort of “police effort”:

    – I read the blog and respond to points that I have thoughts about.

    – I read the comments and respond to points I have thoughts about.

    I have never said that my opinions mean more than anyone else’s.If I read an opinion I agree with, I often respond to it and carry forward the topic.If I read an opinion I disagree with, I often respond with my counter thoughts on the subject.

    You want to try and find the negative in every thing Oiler mgmt does and often stretch to get there. We get it. Some of us do not. Get over it already.

    You speak about strength of diversity being a strength and then bash and disrespect me for having a different opinion.

    I will continue to provide my opinion as I please and respond to opinions I do not agree with

    This team has missed the playoffs 12 out of 13 years, I don’t think readings of alleged incompetence are a stretch based on that track record. I think that’s a realistic reading as opposed to your oft surreal takes of sunny unbridled optimism.

    But we’re supposed to politely smile and nod while you continue with this unyielding rah rah spiel of, “Hey guys, it’s a fresh start and I think we should safely assume these guys know what they’re doing!”

    It’s 100% true that the best thing for me to do is simply ignore it. That would be diplomatic decorum and behaviour worth striving for. I will sincerely try my best from hereon.

    The reality is sheer volume impedes the effort to ignore. Trying to look over, under and around the OP posts is a bit like trying to see the original canvas colour in a Pollock painting.

  115. Bag of Pucks says:

    Nit64: Or evil Kirk to good Kirk. They needed both voices in the end, Nerd.

    I like how I’m the nerd drinking Romulan ale and bedding Yeoman Rand in this scenario.

  116. SVR says:

    Wonder if Cooper Marody will be back for the Condors soon. Would be good for Holland to see him play as well as he’s one of our better forward prospects. If he’s done for the year, he’ll really have to have a good training camp to prove he’s ready for NHL minutes

  117. Ben says:

    Dallas playing a strong game of Mostly Goalie™ tonight.

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    What does Ken Holland have to do with the Oilers missing the playoffs 12 of the last 13 years.

    I have criticized Oilers management aggressively when I’ve seen fit – doesn’t mean I have to stretch to try and find the negative in every little thing said or done.

    Not reading posts seems pretty easy, as easy as not reading the posts – should take alot less effort and mental resources than calling others names, personally attacking them and telling them who they should and should not support.

  119. Bag of Pucks says:

    St Loo crowds rocks two choruses of Country Roads. That felt very Albertan. Nice.

  120. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    What does Ken Holland have to do with the Oilers missing the playoffs 12 of the last 13 years.

    I have criticized Oilers management aggressively when I’ve seen fit – doesn’t mean I have to stretch to try and find the negative in every little thing said or done.

    You do realize than an organization is more than one man, right? You are capable of acknowledging the constraints of that objective reality? Cos if you can, you should be able to answer your first question yourself.

  121. Munny says:

    If the Stars win this, Bishop’s mom should be the first interview.

  122. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    PinkSocks,

    – Yeah coked up LA ho’ who look like O’Rorke that enables his wine summit buddies to run the team to the ground vs man on death bed who tears off his IV to go to a press conference where the guy clearly wants the team to be elite and builds a rink and is still a fanboy who can only say “imagine if we make the playoffs” because that’s in his heart and he knows that he needs to be there

    – That’s two entirely different narratives. I have a lot of respect for his privacy. Some elementary research from a reporter could have figured this out. Absentee owner in Hollywood vs spent three years fighting for his life.

  123. Nit64 says:

    Bag of Pucks: I like how I’m the nerd drinking Romulan ale and bedding Yeoman Rand in this scenario.

    Notice which Kirk chose the correct resolution and which one was in denial, nerd!!!

  124. Professor Q says:

    The Stars are playing a LHD on the R and a RHD on the L, for one-time potential, in OT.

    Woodguy’s phone is in shambles.

  125. Professor Q says:

    Munny:
    If the Stars win this, Bishop’s mom should be the first interview.

    One could say that she is a Saint.

  126. Bag of Pucks says:

    Nit64: Notice which Kirk chose the correct resolution and which one was in denial, nerd!!!

    To paraphrase an old country song, “If loathing the OBC is wrong, I don’t want to be right.”

  127. Professor Q says:

    Reja: Vegas has the over-under at 6 years

    Seamus Harper doesn’t know what to think about this.

  128. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Markos:
    My main concern with this hiring is the process. The timelines don’t really add up.Perhaps I missed it, but did they actually interview Holland as part of the hiring process? Looking at the timing of the U-18 tournament, Bob’s verbal about the negotiation with Holland being a quick process, has me concerned.

    It looks to me like,they had a lengthy GM competition with some candidates getting a second look, but once Holland said he wants the job, then they abandoned the process and hired Holland. Where’s the due diligence and process? How can they justify this being any different than the old ways?

    – thanks for this. You vocalized what I have been thinking.

    – Chia fell onto Bobs lap: he couldn’t believe his good fortune that Chinwas there for the taking

    – Holland : except for the 6 weeks of interviewing a bunch of people same thing: Bob couldn’t believe his good fortune that Holland was available

    – I still think Holland will do a decent job. He’s the best choice we could have expected from Bob. No way Bob picks say Verbeek Hunter Keith combo over Holland

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    That is a poor job of ignoring and an even poorer job of not responding.

    What does Ken Holland have to do with the Oilers missing the playoffs 12 of the last 13 years.

    What does the Oilers ineptitude over the last 13 years have to do with not agreeing that Holland has “smartest man in the room syndrome” given his reputation for non-ego, surrounding himself with very good hockey people and listening to them?

    What does the Oilers ineptitude over the last 13 years have to do with my thoughts on Ken Holland’s response to the question on analytics?

    Answer to all of those is nothing.

    I get called out for being positive on Ken Holland and for being optimistic and, essentially told I should not be while, at the same time, reading about how great diversity of opinion is.

    The reasoning being the ineptitude of the last 13 years which has nothing to do with anything i was responding to.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    I will absolutely continue to post my opinion on what is written on this platform – until LT tells me to stop.

  130. Professor Q says:

    As an aside, I didn’t even notice the Star Trek conversation before having my own Andromeda conversation.

    Both are great series, and both stem from the same great mind.

  131. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    – Besides criticism towards Koski I don’t think many here would put you in the “I criticize Oiler management “.

    – It’s one of your enduring qualities; your unreserved single mindedness cheer leading. You seldom opine or provide critical assessment of the organization

    – Your always looking forst and foremost forward to the next game.

  132. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    That is a poor job of ignoring and an even poorer job of not responding

    WTF You asked me a direct question?

    Did you just do that so you could score points with this follow up?

    Never argue with a lawyer. Never argue with people who are trained to create a moral vacuum. That’s the lesson here kids.

  133. Ben says:

    Bag of Pucks: WTFYou asked me a direct question?

    Did you just do that so you could score points with this follow up?

    Never argue with a lawyer. Never argue with people who are trained to create a moral vacuum. That’s the lesson here kids.

    Get a barn, you two.

  134. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ben: Get a barn, you two.

    Never punch a lawyer has to be a stronger maxim than never argue with one, no?

  135. Munny says:

    Maroooned!!

  136. Gerta Rauss says:

    Maroon with the winner game 7 double OT

  137. Bag of Pucks says:

    Big Rig in double OT!!! 😁

  138. Dixs35 says:

    Maroooooon. Love the celebration

  139. Pescador says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Maroon with the winner game 7 double OT

    Ex Oilers are always money in the playoffs

  140. Gerta Rauss says:

    That should free up Todd Nelson…yes..?

  141. smellyglove says:

    Patrick Maroon with the double-OT 2nd round-winning goal.

    Eberle a massive playoff beast.

    Good thing the Oilers shed all that dead weight.

    Am I right? AM I right? AM I RIGHT? AM I FUCKING RIGHT?

    (goes to drink himself to sleep). Where can I burn a Chiarelli effigy?

  142. Munny says:

    What a game.

  143. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – When Holland talked about everyone having to sacrifice a little and used himself as a further example of a sacrifice by giving up GM to bring in Stevie., I got what he was saying. It was elegant and thoughtful.

    – I just don’t think it works that way in Hockey or sport anymore. It’s a noble idea but sacrifice today is the home town discount Tavares gave the Leafs or McD have the Oil – sweet f?ck all.

    – Only Brady sacrifices because his spouse makes more than he does. He can “sacrifice” and reasons that the extra 6mill he could get is better spent on surrounding him with better players in order to win more.

  144. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    So happy for Maroon, great guy.

  145. Ben says:

    My playoff fandom is usually fuelled by hatred for a few of the remaining teams, but this year I kind of like pretty much everyone still standing. Sucks. Go Jerks/Blues I guess!

  146. Ben says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    That should free up Todd Nelson…yes..?

    Kypreos was very deliberate and coy about Tippett tonight, would be really surprised if he didn’t get the job.

  147. geowal says:

    Good for the Big Rig

  148. LMHF#1 says:

    Feeling awesome for Maroon. He deserved that.

  149. Ben says:

    Gotta be Maroon and Bouwmeester. Would’ve both been good adds, especially considering what they got instead. Wonder what the ask was…

    Bob Stauffer
    @Bob_Stauffer
    ·
    59s
    In the middle of December the Oilers were discussing a deal with last place St.Louis to acquire a pending UFA…or 2…with Edmonton connections…

  150. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    GOOD for Patty !

    Now let’s get a call into Todd Nelson to discuss coaching possibilities…

  151. Westchester Oil says:

    I like how Maroon mentioned that Binnington’s big save on Jamie Benn was the ‘TSN Turning Point’ – on NBC Sports.

  152. Ice Sage says:

    Pescador: Ex Oilers are always money in the playoffs

    Except for Cogs, apparently?
    Thing is there are just so many freaking ex-Oilers that it’s confirmation bias every night.
    Tomorrow’s G7 won’t suffer this curse, though.

  153. YKOil says:

    Will give Holland time. Good luck to him. I think he already has a trade or two mostly in place.

    Best wishes to Mr. Katz. Get well sir.

    Maroon is all you want from a player who comes from the not-as-swift-as-everyone-else branch of the tree.

    Would like Nelson to be the next coach.

  154. Munny says:

    Ice Sage,

    Cogs might have had the best look for the Stars. Hintz’s was pretty good too tho’.

    The number of times Cogs got the puck through the neutral zone for his line tonight was impressive.

  155. Munny says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Now let’s get a call into Todd Nelson to discuss coaching possibilities…

    I hope he is at least interviewed.

  156. Munny says:

    Seeing Berube hug his player (Maroon)… you know these guys will go to war for their coach. I want a coach like that.

  157. Pescador says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – When Holland talked about everyone having to sacrifice a little and used himself as a further example of a sacrifice by giving up GM to bring in Stevie., I got what he was saying. It was elegant and thoughtful.

    – I just don’t think it works that way in Hockey or sport anymore. It’s a noble idea but sacrifice today is the home town discount Tavares gave the Leafs or McD have the Oil – sweet f?ck all.

    – Only Brady sacrifices because his spouse makes more than he does. He can “sacrifice” and reasons that the extra 6mill he could get is better spent on surrounding him with better players in order to win more.

    You’re suggesting that McDavid didn’t give the Oilers a discount?
    You must be new here

  158. --hudson-- says:

    Munny:
    Ice Sage,

    Cogs might have had the best look for the Stars.Hintz’s was pretty good too tho’.

    The number of times Cogs got the puck through the neutral zone for his line tonight was impressive.

    Only mistake from Cogs was his stone hands in the first OT. He could’ve or should’ve ended it there.

  159. Munny says:

    Hitch has basically offered himself as a pro scouting advisor to Holland, according to his interview on Primetime Sports today…

    That must’ve made MacT a wee bit nervous.

    Bylsma can’t be discounted as a possible coach, since he was an assistant in Detroit this past year.

  160. pts2pndr says:

    Bag of Pucks: To paraphrase an old country song, “If loathing the OBC is wrong, I don’t want to be right.”

    It’s just not cool to beat a dead horse. Not withstanding the mistakes, character assassination is not called for. Anger and frustration with the same mistakes over and over is understandable. We need to give Holland a fair shot at fixing the mess we are in. Within a couple of months we will have a much better idea if it is same old or not. At that time if nothing has changed its a whole different story.

  161. Munny says:

    One last post (hopefully)… sorry for inundating everyone today.

    Spector was going off on ON today about how he was told by the Oilers they had two analytics guys, but they refused to tell him who they were.

    He couldn’t believe it because these personnel aren’t secrets for any other team. The analytics positions are even posted on each team’s organisational charts on their nhl.com websites.

    But not the Oilers’. The Wings’ guy is.

  162. Bulging Twine says:

    Munny:
    Seeing Berube hug his player (Maroon)… you know these guys will go to war for their coach.I want a coach like that.

    ya man! Let’s take a lesson from Jurgen Klopp. One of the best coaches in the world.
    There is a real warmth between coach and player.

  163. --hudson-- says:

    Munny:
    One last post (hopefully)… sorry for inundating everyone today.

    Spector was going off on ON today about how he was told by the Oilers they had two analytics guys, but they refused to tell him who they were.

    He couldn’t believe it because these personnel aren’t secrets for any other team.The analytics positions are even posted on each team’s organisational charts on their nhl.com websites.

    But not the Oilers’.The Wings’ guy is.

    Wow that’s funny cause they’re listed right in the Oilers media guide. Does Spector not read it or just too lazy?

    Justin Mahe and Andre Brin

    Also mentioned here: https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/chiarellis-gang-taking-over-with-gretzky-hiring-as-remnants-of-craig-mactavish-dallas-eakins-era-swept-away/amp

    Sean Draper has since left, his contract was not renewed last summer.

  164. Munny says:

    –hudson–,

    Maybe he was just talking about when they released the info, don’t know, I can’t speak for him. Seems strange tho’ for him to bring it up unless there was a problem. Maybe I misheard and it was access?

  165. BONE207 says:

    Munny:
    One last post (hopefully)… sorry for inundating everyone today.

    Spector was going off on ON today about how he was told by the Oilers they had two analytics guys, but they refused to tell him who they were.

    He couldn’t believe it because these personnel aren’t secrets for any other team.The analytics positions are even posted on each team’s organisational charts on their nhl.com websites.

    But not the Oilers’.

    Aren’t they called: Slim & None?

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    Big game for the Condors tonight – they don’t want to go down 3-1 in the series.

    The new GM is in the building a guys like Marody (if he is healthy), Benson, Joe G. P. Russell, Lagesson, Bear, Jones, Bouchard and Starrett would do well for their 2019 paychecks by having plus games.

    Wow, look at that list – those are all players with real chances to play NHL hockey on merit this coming season – obviously different ceilings (P. Russell as a bottom line energy guy and Bouchard with top pairing potential).

    Holland spoke about the need for cheap role players that open things up for the more talented – P. Russell and Joe G. could do their careers big services by having a great couple of games (no doubt they will – they are both pretty consistently good at the AHL level).

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    Anton Lander just signed a 2-year deal with Lokomotiv – wonder if it has an NHL out clause. Recall, Landers’ small sample size of NHL productivity came when Nelson was running the team. Its a stretch to predict Nelson as and Oiler and then bringing back Lander but I wouldn’t be against Lander competing for the 4C spot.

    Joe G./Lander/PRV – yes, Magnus!

  168. Bank Shot says:

    YKOil:
    Will give Holland time.Good luck to him.I think he already has a trade or two mostly in place.

    I wouldn’t hold my breath on the trade front. Holland hasn’t made a significant hockey trade in 15 years.

  169. Rondo says:

    Bob Stauffer

    @Bob_Stauffer

    Six names that COULD be in the mix as Oilers Head Coach:

    Dave Tippett
    Glen Gulutzan
    Trent Yawney
    Jay Woodcroft
    Todd Nelson
    Lane Lambert

  170. oilsnc79 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    That is a poor job of ignoring and an even poorer job of not responding.

    What does Ken Holland have to do with the Oilers missing the playoffs 12 of the last 13 years.

    What does the Oilers ineptitude over the last 13 years have to do with not agreeing that Holland has “smartest man in the room syndrome” given his reputation for non-ego, surrounding himself with very good hockey people and listening to them?

    What does the Oilers ineptitude over the last 13 years have to do with my thoughts on Ken Holland’s response to the question on analytics?

    Answer to all of those is nothing.

    I get called out for being positive on Ken Holland and for being optimistic and, essentially told I should not be while, at the same time, reading about how great diversity of opinion is.

    The reasoning being the ineptitude of the last 13 years which has nothing to do with anything i was responding to.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    I will absolutely continue to post my opinion on what is written on this platform – until LT tells me to stop.

    Right on Op

  171. pts2pndr says:

    Bank Shot: I wouldn’t hold my breath on the trade front. Holland hasn’t made a significant hockey trade in 15 years.

    We don’t need big/significant we need the smaller value deals that become significant in retrospect.

  172. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: I know it because Nicholson said so.

    Glad you had a legitimate source.

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