The Touch List

by Lowetide

Many moons ago, NHL teams would have a ‘touch’ list at the draft, which consisted of names of players they liked but were certain no one would draft (unless the team chose to do so). Back then the draft was nine rounds and there was more room to pick your neighbour’s son. Not so much anymore, but that doesn’t mean obscure players won’t get chosen, and some of those obscure prospects deserve a closer look.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: Is Joe Gambardella destined to become the Oilers’ next Fernando Pisani?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers goalie prospect Stuart Skinner stars as the Condors stay alive in the AHL playoffs.
  • Lowetide: How the U18’s increased the draft pool and gifted the Edmonton Oilers with multiple options at the 2019 draft
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.
  • Jonathan Willis: Which Condors made a good first impression on Oilers GM Ken Holland?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland steadfast that buck stops with him as new Oilers GM.
  • Eric Duhatschek: Why any talk of Ken Holland being yesterday’s man should be put to rest.
  • Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • Jonathan Willis: What does the arrival of Ken Holland mean for the Oilers coaching search?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s Bakersfield production line: Elevating Jones and how long will success take?
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.
  • Lowetide: Dylan Cozens might be ideal fit for Oilers at No. 8 overall in the 2019 draft
  • New Lowetide: Is this the season the Oilers take the plunge and draft a USHL player in the first round?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ten prospects likely to be available when the Oilers make their first-round pick

2019 TOUCH LIST

I’m going to post five names per league every day this week, beginning with the QMJHL. The following players are outside the Central Scouting Top 150 NA list, the top 10 NA goalie list, the top 75 Euro list and the top 10 Euro goalie list. They may not be drafted but there’s something about them worth mentioning.

Bailey Peach is a fleet LW from the QMJHL (54, 11-25-36). I like him because he pushed his way from fringe a year ago to regular on a good Sherbrooke club year over year. 25 of his points came at 5-on-5.

Brett Budgell is an interesting winger from the QMJHL’S Charlottetown Islanders (67, 18-15-33 and 165 shots). He has a good shot and can retrieve pucks, reports have his skating heading in a good direction.

Xavier Simoneau is a small, skill center for Drummondville. His boxcars (55, 18-39-57) are outstanding for a player ranked so low, but his size (5.07) may scare some teams away. He is a May 2001 and has posted two quality seasons in the QMJHL. Someone should draft him.

Jeremy Michel is a bigger forward with a good shot he doesn’t use enough, but he posted solid offense (64, 16-26-42) in his draft year. Had 146 shots. Has good two-way ability according to HockeyProspect.com.

Jeremy Martin isn’t ranked by Central, but he scored 62, 15-24-39 for Shawinigan and he’s a speedy winger with skill who enjoys physical contact. Cataractes are horrible, but I have Valentin Nussbaumer at No. 94 and this young man is in the same range.

TOP 20 PROSPECTS

I do a winter Top 20 for The Athletic (here) and then one on Sunday night of the draft at this blog (just to re-set). It’s incredible just how much has changed and I imagine it will change again. When I publish my summer top 20, there will be three first-round picks on it (assuming Ken Holland keeps his pick June 21 in Vancouver).

Here’s the kicker: We have to begin a conversation. It goes like this: Dmitri Samorukov might be the best prospect in the system. It isn’t a certainty, but his season has been so impressive we have to begin the conversation.

FRIEDMAN

A mammoth amount of Oilers information is here. Dave Tippett as coach, Jay Woodcroft to LAK (we knew it but the drumbeats are getting louder), buying out Lucic was contemplated before Ken Holland’s arrival, teams are lining up to sign Evan Polei to an NHL deal (why not Logan Day?)

JAY WOODCROFT’S 2018-19 ROOKIES

LW Tyler Benson (68, 15-51-66). A strong AHL season at 20 for an Oilers forward draft pick is about as rare as a playoff appearance for the parent team. Benson was quality in his first pro season, delivering deft passes and delivering results. A goal-scoring slump early in the year was corrected by 10 goals in his final 25 games. He has a clear shot at the NHL this fall.

RC Cooper Marody (58, 19-45-64). His value to the Condors has been driven home in every game since his injury. Marody has NHL hands, the only question surrounding his ability to flourish in the world’s best league is his boots. Not every player has to be a fast train, Marody could be one of the RH pieces on an Edmonton power play by this fall.

RD Logan Day (64, 7-27-34). Chaos blue can make plays and elevated the Condors power play (3-8-11, tied for second among Bakersfield blue). He doesn’t have an NHL contract, but his first AHL season suggests he has the skill required to push to the next level. The defensive part of the game needs to get tied down.

W Cameron Hebig (64, 11-18-29). A right shot deployed on the opposite wing at times during the season, Hebig started the campaign like a house on fire. In fact, in his first 10 games, Hebig scored 6-6-12. He was used in a complementary role afterward, but could emerge this fall as a feature player. He can score goals.

RW Kailer Yamamoto (27, 10-8-18). It was a disappointing season for the first-round draft pick (2017), but it’s important to point out he would have easily cleared 20 goals in a complete season (based on trajectory). He should have eclipsed Benson’s season total for points, but NHL time and a wrist injury caught him. One of the concerns about taking smaller players, especially those who win pucks, is injury. Hands are a bad injury for skill players. Yamamoto will need to have a strong year in 2019-20.

RC Tyler Vesel (61, 5-13-18). College player arrived in Bakersfield and landed a support role on a (mostly) checking line. His shooting percentage (five percent on 100 shots) should improve next season, and he had an impact on both special teams in college. Has a range of skills.

LD Jake Kulevich (29, 2-6-8). Another AHL contract, he filled the Ben Betker (No. 7D) role well when in Bakersfield. I don’t think he’ll get an NHL deal but he provided solid play when required and should be around next season.

LW Nolan Vesey (17, 0-3-3). Another of Peter Chiarelli’s curios, Edmonton gave up a conditional seventh-round pick in the 2020 draft for him. He couldn’t establish himself in the AHL at age 23, and also managed just 10 points in 32 ECHL games.

G Shane Starrett (42, 2.33 .918). Along with Benson and Marody, Starrett would have to receive strong consideration for Bakersfield’s top rookie. Al Montoya’s injury gave him the chance and Starrett ran away with the job. He is in a solid spot to become Bakersfield’s starter next year, meaning a recall is just an injury or a slump away.

G Dylan Wells (12, 2.84 .909). It’s easy for overlook Wells’ season, but he survived and posted respectable numbers. He had a .912 SP in Wichita (ECHL) in 22 games and stopped 35 of 38 in his only Condors playoff game (so far). A solid debut.

G Stuart Skinner (6, 2.99 .879). Too small a sample size to draw conclusions, Skinner played a lot with Wichita of the ECHL (41, 3.16 .903) this season. He was the No. 3 goalie among the rookies, but his recent performance with the Condors (3, 1.52 .948) is an exciting uptick on a pedestrian season.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy Monday with massive stories everywhere. TSN1260, beginning at 10. We’ll welcome Daniel Nugent-Bowman from The Athletic at 10:20, his fantastic article on Connor McDavid’s Mom and her impact on him is a must read and we’ll chat about it. At 11, Jason Gregor pops in to chat about Dave Tippett, the Raptors and FC Edmonton’s home opener and early success). At 11:25, Sean Woodley from Locked on Raptors and Raptors HQ will talk about the biggest shot in franchise history. Text 10-1260, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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digger50

Scungilli Slushy: Sam amd Bouchard are the 2 best D prospects in the system. One is LD one RD. As WG says you don’t deal off or the top of the deck.

You trade Bear Jones Lagesson Persson first. Once the GM has a takeon the players and assesses who is best long run.

ThAt might be the outcome – the point being, the conversation has to happen.

And something has to give. That scoring winger is not coming for free.

bwar

OriginalPouzar,

Seeing Day play forward on occasion, make me wonder if the plan is to try and convert him just to keep him as an Oiler.

I do not blog for Copper n Blue. I’m happy staying in the comments section.

OriginalPouzar

Old Timer:

Would love to see the Oilers get some value for Lucic in a trade. This may be difficult but perhaps not impossible. Heavy, physical teams seem to be doing quite well again this year in the playoffs as did the Capitals last year…..

Value back as in a positive asset back as opposed to having to add a material asset, retain and/or take back a negative asset?

Crazy Pedestrian

bendelson:
Hmm…
I now have to login every time I refresh the page – never mind actually posting something.
Is this the new normal around these parts?

This happened to me a few weeks ago. Very frustrating. Only was happening on my phone. No problems when using my computer. Stopped happening after a couple days (and 2-3 articles later)

wintoon

I would much prefer Todd Nelson rather than Dave Tippett as the Oilers next coach. For some reason, I believe Nelson will bring more to the table in the long run.

Watching Parayko play this playoff, I am far more impressed with his shot than his hockey IQ. He seems to make some very bad reads/plays.

Would love to see the Oilers get some value for Lucic in a trade. This may be difficult but perhaps not impossible. Heavy, physical teams seem to be doing quite well again this year in the playoffs as did the Capitals last year…..

Oil2Oilers

OriginalPouzar,

Thanks for your reply. Agreed an old pro, if available, would be an ideal mentor next year in the AHL. Mind you developing chemistry with Bouchard might have some long term benefits.

russ99

I like the idea of hiring Tippett. We still have the youngest roster in the league and need structure and more team play within our systems, especially after players spit the bit under Hitchcock with all those practices from the press box.

I also hope Holland sticks to his guns with prospect promotion, Chiarelli promoted players for need before they were ready the last two years, we need NHL additions, not more kids.

At worst, a prospect or two forces his way onto the team or pushes up from a reserve role after a few months, and we can make a mid-season trade from a position of strength for once.

Scungilli Slushy

digger50:
“It goes like this: Dmitri Samorukov might be the best prospect in the system. It isn’t a certainty, but his season has been so impressive we have to begin the conversation.”

1.I think the conversation then becomes: If he is the best prospect, when will he arrive?

2. And when he arrives, just who is leaving the main club?
And if someone leaving may or may not have a bad back that was eroding his game, could this person bring in a scoring winger?

3. And if Samorukov is the best prospect, who is the second best prospect that could be traded to bring in a scoring winger?

Sam amd Bouchard are the 2 best D prospects in the system. One is LD one RD. As WG says you don’t deal off or the top of the deck.

You trade Bear Jones Lagesson Persson first. Once the GM has a take on the players and assesses who is best long run.

Scungilli Slushy

Professor Q:
I know this might be a bit touchy due to the subject matter, but the The Athletic interview article with Connor’s Mom sort of painted him as the spoiled brat of the family who needed to let have his way and always be 1st place (even if he wasn’t,they would tell him he won etc.), or he’d throw a fit and never do that activity again (although she also seems like a more compassionate Tiger Mom/Momma Bear). His poor brother, lol.

And still has moments like that, even as a Captain in the NHL, behind the scenes.

Hopefully Holland gets him a Cup, ASAP, and he stays forever.

One thing Holland has in his bag of tricks is managing elite players. He had as many as 4 at one time in Yzerman Datsyuk Zetterberg and Lidstrom. Datsyuk from an interview from Babcock needed a lot of ‘hands on’. They all stayed, winning of course helped, but they had some disappointments, courtesy of the oilers a few times

He also helmed Yzerman becoming a responsible 2 way player as one of the league’s most offensive forwards. I’m sure getting Connor settled will be job #1, I’m sure Connor was the biggest draw for Holland, the once a generation player is a great place to start from.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

OriginalPouzar:
Shit: I see who I just responded to – a person I refuse to associate with and I will never converse with on purpose.My mistake.Won’t happen again.

A spam warning would be great.

Professor Q

theDjdj: Kids can be brats if you let them. That’s where parenting steps in. The McDavids seems good family and Connor a well balance kid. I’d caution against extrapolating behaviour as 6 yo and assuming it’s a part of Connors adult personality.

One thing that you can safely assume though is he’s a fierce competitor.

Oh true, definitely. I guess more so his mom being a Tiger Mom was the highlight of that (the 6 year old charts planning out his days and career, not making him give up on a race due to being sick, etc.)

And even flying over the same day to yell at Bob Nicholson!

OriginalPouzar

bwar:
OriginalPouzar,

As far as I know that’s the only other site I know you from.Just don’t ever remember having any issues with you before.I always appreciate reading your insights, especially on the prospects.If I ever crossed the line on anything my bad and I guess I will just try to keep my car in my own lane.

Do you blog for the Copper n’ Blue? If not, I’ve totally got you mixed up with someone else and I greatly apologize. I’d be happy though as I really enjoy your posts and agree with much of what you have to say (my issue with the person is personal – nothing to do with the Oilers).

norm_klassen

Sekera in mid season form

OriginalPouzar:
Sekera played almost 25 min today against Canada – almost 5 min more than any other Slovak.

norm_klassen

OriginalPouzar,

A Oilers season is just Sekera s world cup training camp?

OriginalPouzar

Also, there are no roster limits in the AHL so they could just keep Manning and keep not playing him like they do now but I would think the NHLPA wouldn’t like that so much.

This may be the one player to buy out but I think he’s tradeable if we retain $1M (which is essentially a net-even from burying him – and we lost the contract on the 50).

OriginalPouzar

bwar: It’s going to be real interesting in Bakersfield next season.Say the Oilers decide the current defense in Edmonton is fine that leaves Jones, Lagesson, Bear, Stanton, Lowe, Day, Kulevich, Bouchard, Persson, Samorukov, Manning all trying to earn ice time in the AHL.I don’t think Stanton, Kulevich and Day have contracts for next season so maybe all three end up walking just in an attempt to make enough room for everyone else.Does that mean Persson gets loaned back to Sweden and then walks away from the Oiler’s next summer?Does it force some trades to thin down the herd in hopes we can acquire some assets?It’s a very interesting summer for all of our defensive prospects.

I would really like to have Stanton back for next year given how great he and Lowe are for the youngsters but, as of now, there is no room for him. Kulevich has had a nice season, I do like him, but he’s not a real prospect and he will be let go I would think.

Logan Day is the risk – he deserves an NHL contract but I’m not positive there is room. Its not the end of the world as he is a huge distant bell for the NHL but he’s a nice AHL player and cover for injury.

OriginalPouzar

Death By Misadventure: If all of these D prospects are to over rippen in Bakersfield, it could be a challenge to manage their minutes. Someone may get the development short end of the stick.

From a high level, that seems like a potential issue except for the fact that we know NHL teams generally use 10 plus d-men in a year – all of Lagesson, Jones and Bear will get their NHL reps.

The organization needs to ensure they get a look at all three as each of them lose their waiver exempt status heading in to next season.

With that said, there is likely room for all/most of them.

The following is assuming no actual acquisition and a disposition of Russell. I would think there would be a D added if Russell is traded but who knows what can be done so I’m just going with those currently in the org:

Klefbom/Larsson
Nurse/Sekera
Joes/Benning

Persson

(Russell’s cap space used on a Nyquist type signing). Yes, Sekera at 2RD is a risk but I’m just going with current personnel for now (and I do think he’ll be just as good as Russell in that spot and would have a calming effect on Nurse).

Lagesson/Bear
Lowe (Sammy)/Bouchard
Samorukov (Lowe)/Day

OriginalPouzar

Alpine:
I think a good way to dispose of Lucic’s contract is to use a third team to help retain salary. Vegas did this when Ottawa traded Brassard.

I would suggest sending Lucic to Ottawa and having them retain salary and then trading him somewhere where he would waive his NMC.

It becomes tricky if both Edmonton and Ottawa retain salary because then we would be at the max of teams that can retain salary on one contract. But doing that makes it more palatable for the team actually acquiring Lucic.

Alas, it’s harder for that team to move Lucic down the road because two teams are already retaining salary. At that point I guess the acquiring team better hope for a compliance buyout option or that Lucic doesn’t regress beyond not being an NHLer anymore.

Yes, this is along the lines of what I have been suggesting:

Oilers trade Lucic with $3M retained and a 4th rounder to Team B for a 6th rounder.

Team B trades Lucic with $1.5M retained to Team C.

Ultimately, teams are on the hook for the following cap hits:

EDM – $3M
TEAM B – $1.5M
TEAM C – $1.5M

The inability to retain in a future trade would be a non-issue given that slice is for only $1.5M

Team B gets the small draft pick sweetener to retain that $1.5M (plus the asset from Team C in the trade).

digger50

“It goes like this: Dmitri Samorukov might be the best prospect in the system. It isn’t a certainty, but his season has been so impressive we have to begin the conversation.”

1. I think the conversation then becomes: If he is the best prospect, when will he arrive?

2. And when he arrives, just who is leaving the main club?
And if someone leaving may or may not have a bad back that was eroding his game, could this person bring in a scoring winger?

3. And if Samorukov is the best prospect, who is the second best prospect that could be traded to bring in a scoring winger?

jp

bendelson:
Hmm…
I now have to login every time I refresh the page – never mind actually posting something.
Is this the new normal around these parts?

It’s been happening for me on every refresh for a few weeks now, on multiple devices. I can’t even get to new blog posts until someone else posts and I can link directly from the old post.

I’ll go log myself back in now.

Bag of Pucks

bwar:

Whatever I did I’m sorry!

I’ll take “Things Clint Eastwood would never say” for $500, Alex.

OriginalPouzar

jp:
Ulfstroem,

Not bad at all, though I wouldn’t want to give up Puljujarvi for 1 year of Faulk. I’d rather struggle through with Sekera/Russell for another year personally.

Taking aside the acquisition cost (i.e. not commenting on Jesse in the trade), I would be interested in Faulk for the one-year left on his contract but have zero desire to sign him to his UFA contract – none. In that regard, it would be a one-year rental and the assets I’d be willing to give up for a one-year rental is less than what Carolina would want.

Same thing with Spurgeon – and he’d be the much preferred target as well.

bwar

OriginalPouzar,

As far as I know that’s the only other site I know you from. Just don’t ever remember having any issues with you before. I always appreciate reading your insights, especially on the prospects. If I ever crossed the line on anything my bad and I guess I will just try to keep my car in my own lane.

OriginalPouzar

bwar:
OriginalPouzar,

How on earth did I get on OP’s bad side?Whatever I did I’m sorry!

Unless this isn’t who I think it is – from Copper n’ Blue?

OriginalPouzar

Sekera played almost 25 min today against Canada – almost 5 min more than any other Slovak.

bendelson

Bag of Pucks: It’s the same for me. The bad news is it’s not a great user experience. The good news is it’s helping me to reduce the severity of my Lowetide addiction.

I will always love this blog, but in its current state, I’m not certain I remain IN love with this blog…

meanashell11

Death By Misadventure: Thank You but I have to admit I frequently lie to my children. Mostly about vegetables.

For me it’s the bay leaf.

When they would find it in the sauce I would yell out “You got the special bay leaf!”

For years they thought that was the best thing ever. Until they found out it is just a larger herb you are not supposed to eat!

It still makes everyone laugh at the table when one of them pulls out the bay leaf!

theDjdj

Professor Q:
I know this might be a bit touchy due to the subject matter, but the The Athletic interview article with Connor’s Mom sort of painted him as the spoiled brat of the family who needed to let have his way and always be 1st place (even if he wasn’t,they would tell him he won etc.), or he’d throw a fit and never do that activity again. His poor brother, lol.

And still has moments like that, even as a Captain in the NHL, behind the scenes.

Hopefully Holland gets him a Cup, ASAP, and he stays forever.

Kids can be brats if you let them. That’s where parenting steps in. The McDavids seems good family and Connor a well balance kid. I’d caution against extrapolating behaviour as 6 yo and assuming it’s a part of Connors adult personality.

One thing that you can safely assume though is he’s a fierce competitor.

Darth Tu

Just checked back in with the Canada game. Canada won 6-5, Stone scored the GWG with less than 2 seconds remaining in regulation. Talk about leaving it late.

bwar

OriginalPouzar,

OriginalPouzar:
Shit: I see who I just responded to – a person I refuse to associate with and I will never converse with on purpose.My mistake.Won’t happen again.

How on earth did I get on OP’s bad side? Whatever I did I’m sorry!

Jethro Tull

OriginalPouzar:
Shit: I see who I just responded to – a person I refuse to associate with and I will never converse with on purpose.My mistake.Won’t happen again.

No idea what you’re on about. Why even post this?

OriginalPouzar

Death By Misadventure: Haha I’ve seen only a few episodes but I think your assessment is bang on. I didn’t want to get into a mathy pissing much so decided to keep things short.

Look, my thinking in regards to the Samorukov vs Bouchard is that Samorukov is having a nice playoff run and that’s fantastic to see but that’s still a small sample size. Or at least a smaller sample in which Bouchard has put up his gaudy numbers in. So as much as I don’t dispute that Samorukov is becoming a prospect of note, he simply lags in mind behind Bouchard due to draft pedigree and duration in which a high level of performance has been sustained.

Hence, at this time, I don’t see why Samorukov is a more substantial prospect than Bouchard.

Your mileage may very and I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

Samorukov isn’t a more substantial prospect than Bouchard but he has a broader skill set, essentially “all the tools” to become a legit #1. Bouchard doesn’t have all the tools. At the same time, Samorukov is unlikely to fully develop to that level and Bouchard is a much more likely candidate for 500 NHL games (and in the top 4).

McSorley33

ArmchairGM,

Both Cosentino and Wheeler have Dach at #8. How cool would that be?

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sportsnets-2019-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-may/

https://theathletic.com/947751/2019/05/06/wheeler-final-ranking-for-the-2019-nhl-drafts-top-100-prospects/
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Saw that….but I am not buying anyone taking the Russian kid Podkolzin in top
7….

Would love to be wrong and the Oilers to benefit from the fall.

I stated long before it became the cool thing to do POD will fall at the draft.

Bag of Pucks

bendelson:
Hmm…
I now have to login every time I refresh the page – never mind actually posting something.
Is this the new normal around these parts?

It’s the same for me. The bad news is it’s not a great user experience. The good news is it’s helping me to reduce the severity of my Lowetide addiction.

OriginalPouzar

Shit: I see who I just responded to – a person I refuse to associate with and I will never converse with on purpose. My mistake. Won’t happen again.

OriginalPouzar

bwar:
I loved Evan Polei in juniors and was happy when I heard he had entered the Oilers famr system.I always wonder how players like Polei get a chance to make the jump from AHL 3rd/4th line to NHL 4th line.He’s a high energy physical player who somehow finds a way to contribute.I’d like to know what the gap is between a player like Polei and players like Colby Cave, Kyle Brodziak, Ty Rattie when put exclusively in a fourth line role.I hope Polei gets an NHL deal from someone next season.

Polei has been great for the Condors in his role. He plays in perfectly and makes a difference out there.

I do believe he’s earned an NHL contract but, oh man, playing NHL games is an entire different conversation.

Do bottom 6 grinder in the AHL play in the NHL?

I thought middle 6 AHL players that can produce at the AHL level become NHL 4th line grinders????

bendelson

Hmm…
I now have to login every time I refresh the page – never mind actually posting something.
Is this the new normal around these parts?

OriginalPouzar

stush18:
jp,

I think you’ve likely went a little light on your free agent signings. You’ve went shorter term (smart), but that usually drives up the price.

Also, Philly traded for Talbot because they didn’t trust Elliot. Talbot was awful while here, so I can’t see Elliott as an improvement.

At that point you might as well just go with Stolarz.

This isn’t true – in the last 25 games of the season (which I chose to line up apx with the trade deadline), Elliot split the net with Hart – 12 games to 13 games and Talbot played 4 games.

chrisco stu

YKOil,

I wonder if they could move Nurse to Colorado for the Ottawa pick, and Lucic plus the eighth for their sixteenth overall? That would make them pretty sand papery for next years playoffs.

OriginalPouzar

Oil2Oilers: I your opinion how could/should Samorukov best be supported in order for him to achieve his ceiling?

I guess what I am asking is what are his faults, or what he need to work on to take the next step? Or is just a matter of time and seasoning?

I am looking forward to watching him in the Memorial Cup.

I’ve only watched him about 6-7 times this year (outside the World Juniors) – so I’m not in a position to opine as much as I am on the AHL guys but I would say his major issues are decision making in the defensive zone and consistency.

I think the key is simply to not rush him and give him the proper support in the AHL. I wouldn’t start him with Bouchard this coming year, two rookies, but play him on the 2nd or 3rd pairing with either Jones or Bear (would prefer a “veteran” like Lowe or Stanton but we don’t have one for the right side).

Give him solid minutes and maybe some PP2 time. Ease him in. Work him on to the PK.

OriginalPouzar

jp:
I finally started playing around with the Armchair-GM tool at CapFriendly. Nice interface for keeping track of things.

My first crack at a reasonable 19-20 Oilers team:
Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
Brown-Nuge-Donskoi
Benson-Marody-Puljujarvi
Khaira-Sutter-Chiasson
Gagner-Cave

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Stralman
Sekera-Jones
Persson

Koskinen-Elliott

Trades:
Lucic, 2019 2nd, 2020 2nd for Brandon Sutter (2 yrs at 4.375M)
Russell to Van? for a 5th
Benning for Connor Brown

RFA signings:
Puljujarvi 2X1.25M
Khaira 2X1.1M
Gambardella 2X0.725M

UFA signings:
Stralman 2X4.5M
Donskoi 5X3.5M
Elliott 2X2.5M
Chiasson 2X1.5M

Brodziak and Manning burried. Gambardella, Currie and the young defenders in Bakersfield for depth.

The 4th line could be the 3rd line if the kids aren’t up to the task.

About 1.5M in cap space remains open.

Relatively reasonable, and should be a somewhat improved team from this season.

This was one hell of an amazing post!

This is almost the exact type of reasonable off-season I would like to see and the amounts on your signings make sense and are in line with what I have posited.

You have targeted Stralman and Elliot, my two targets, at the exact contract terms I have thrown out.

You have disposed of Russell for cap space which is my primary off-season cap saver (just not sure Lucic will happen reasonably).

The Lucic trade makes sense – do we need to give up 2 picks though considering we take back a boat anchor contract? Maybe because of the 2 less years of term?

Of course, the one main issue is I don’t see Stralman signing in Edmonton unless he gets an overpay in term or AAV and this org isn’t in a position to do either.

Death By Misadventure

pts2pndr: I would side with LT on this. Samorukov is a plus skater and plays a more aggressive brand of D. Something the numbers don’t show. They could very well make a dynamic one two punch first pairing in the near future ( 2 – 3 years ).

I respect your opinion and will die for your right to express it, but you are wrong 🙂

OriginalPouzar

ArmchairGM:
“Samorukov’s 28 points (10-18–28) are the most by a defenceman in the OHL Playoffs since Windsor’s Ryan Ellis (3-30–33) in 2010.”

Lets recall how prolific a scorer Ellis was in the OHL – the numbers he produced haven’t been seen until Evan Bouchard.

And Samorukov is a defence first guy…… or, at least he was.

Such amazing arrows.

Death By Misadventure

Jaxon:
By the Numbers, I’m wary of Zegras, Boldy, Dach, and Krebs, less so on Caufield but still concerned about TOI on that US National Development Team. I’d rather pick Kakko than Hughes, too. If Byram, Turcotte, and Cozens are gone and Zegras, Boldy, Dach, and Krebs are still available, I hope they trade down to the 13-18 range and pick someone like Tomasino, Kaliyev, Lavoie, or Seider. By the numbers (high 5v5 primary points/60 and TOI), size, and scouting reports (high IQ, high energy, fast and agile, skilled, and hard working), I think Tomasino may be the best player in the draft and could be a perfect compliment to McDavid or Draisaitl. Outside Cozens, Turcotte, Byram, Kakko, and Hughes, he may be the BPA. That said, no list has him above #14, so trading down to 14 could get what I suspect may be the 6th best player in the draft. Trading down could also get them another asset by way of pick, prospect, player, or even salary dump.

I think you’re starting to sell me on Tomasino. He could be someone worth trading up for if for whatever reason he slides.

One other thing about him is that he’s a July 28, 2001 birthday, which makes him one of the younger players in this draft. As a comparison Raphael Lavoie is a September 25, 2000 birthday. So Tomasino is 10 months younger.

His 34 goals are also noteworthy for such a young player.

pts2pndr

Death By Misadventure:
LT said: Dmitri Samorukov might be the best prospect in the system.

LT, I almost always agree with your measured and reasonable approach to things, but for someone that uses math as their central guide, this is a bridge too far. I think you’re letting a nice playoff run cloud your judgement.

Evan Bouchard is a far better prospect.

I would side with LT on this. Samorukov is a plus skater and plays a more aggressive brand of D. Something the numbers don’t show. They could very well make a dynamic one two punch first pairing in the near future ( 2 – 3 years ).

barry.moore23

ArmchairGM:
LT, every time I post a comment I get knocked off and have to log back in.

I see you haven’t gotten the message 🙂

haha totally kidding – couldn’t pass it up.

Professor Q

I know this might be a bit touchy due to the subject matter, but the The Athletic interview article with Connor’s Mom sort of painted him as the spoiled brat of the family who needed to let have his way and always be 1st place (even if he wasn’t,they would tell him he won etc.), or he’d throw a fit and never do that activity again (although she also seems like a more compassionate Tiger Mom/Momma Bear). His poor brother, lol.

And still has moments like that, even as a Captain in the NHL, behind the scenes.

Hopefully Holland gets him a Cup, ASAP, and he stays forever.

ArmchairGM

Death By Misadventure: If all of these D prospects are to over rippen in Bakersfield, it could be a challenge to manage their minutes. Someone may get the development short end of the stick.

I think one of Jones or Lagesson will make the big team out of camp next year.

That leaves (say) Lagesson – Persson / Lowe – Bear / Samorukov – Bouchard to man the blueline in Bakersfield. PP time would be at a premium, but the coach could pretty much roll the lines here at even strength.

bwar

Death By Misadventure: If all of these D prospects are to over rippen in Bakersfield, it could be a challenge to manage their minutes. Someone may get the development short end of the stick.

It’s going to be real interesting in Bakersfield next season. Say the Oilers decide the current defense in Edmonton is fine that leaves Jones, Lagesson, Bear, Stanton, Lowe, Day, Kulevich, Bouchard, Persson, Samorukov, Manning all trying to earn ice time in the AHL. I don’t think Stanton, Kulevich and Day have contracts for next season so maybe all three end up walking just in an attempt to make enough room for everyone else. Does that mean Persson gets loaned back to Sweden and then walks away from the Oiler’s next summer? Does it force some trades to thin down the herd in hopes we can acquire some assets? It’s a very interesting summer for all of our defensive prospects.