The Touch List

Many moons ago, NHL teams would have a ‘touch’ list at the draft, which consisted of names of players they liked but were certain no one would draft (unless the team chose to do so). Back then the draft was nine rounds and there was more room to pick your neighbour’s son. Not so much anymore, but that doesn’t mean obscure players won’t get chosen, and some of those obscure prospects deserve a closer look.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: Is Joe Gambardella destined to become the Oilers’ next Fernando Pisani?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers goalie prospect Stuart Skinner stars as the Condors stay alive in the AHL playoffs.
  • Lowetide: How the U18’s increased the draft pool and gifted the Edmonton Oilers with multiple options at the 2019 draft
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.
  • Jonathan Willis: Which Condors made a good first impression on Oilers GM Ken Holland?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland steadfast that buck stops with him as new Oilers GM.
  • Eric Duhatschek: Why any talk of Ken Holland being yesterday’s man should be put to rest.
  • Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • Jonathan Willis: What does the arrival of Ken Holland mean for the Oilers coaching search?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s Bakersfield production line: Elevating Jones and how long will success take?
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.
  • Lowetide: Dylan Cozens might be ideal fit for Oilers at No. 8 overall in the 2019 draft
  • New Lowetide: Is this the season the Oilers take the plunge and draft a USHL player in the first round?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ten prospects likely to be available when the Oilers make their first-round pick

2019 TOUCH LIST

I’m going to post five names per league every day this week, beginning with the QMJHL. The following players are outside the Central Scouting Top 150 NA list, the top 10 NA goalie list, the top 75 Euro list and the top 10 Euro goalie list. They may not be drafted but there’s something about them worth mentioning.

Bailey Peach is a fleet LW from the QMJHL (54, 11-25-36). I like him because he pushed his way from fringe a year ago to regular on a good Sherbrooke club year over year. 25 of his points came at 5-on-5.

Brett Budgell is an interesting winger from the QMJHL’S Charlottetown Islanders (67, 18-15-33 and 165 shots). He has a good shot and can retrieve pucks, reports have his skating heading in a good direction.

Xavier Simoneau is a small, skill center for Drummondville. His boxcars (55, 18-39-57) are outstanding for a player ranked so low, but his size (5.07) may scare some teams away. He is a May 2001 and has posted two quality seasons in the QMJHL. Someone should draft him.

Jeremy Michel is a bigger forward with a good shot he doesn’t use enough, but he posted solid offense (64, 16-26-42) in his draft year. Had 146 shots. Has good two-way ability according to HockeyProspect.com.

Jeremy Martin isn’t ranked by Central, but he scored 62, 15-24-39 for Shawinigan and he’s a speedy winger with skill who enjoys physical contact. Cataractes are horrible, but I have Valentin Nussbaumer at No. 94 and this young man is in the same range.

TOP 20 PROSPECTS

I do a winter Top 20 for The Athletic (here) and then one on Sunday night of the draft at this blog (just to re-set). It’s incredible just how much has changed and I imagine it will change again. When I publish my summer top 20, there will be three first-round picks on it (assuming Ken Holland keeps his pick June 21 in Vancouver).

Here’s the kicker: We have to begin a conversation. It goes like this: Dmitri Samorukov might be the best prospect in the system. It isn’t a certainty, but his season has been so impressive we have to begin the conversation.

FRIEDMAN

A mammoth amount of Oilers information is here. Dave Tippett as coach, Jay Woodcroft to LAK (we knew it but the drumbeats are getting louder), buying out Lucic was contemplated before Ken Holland’s arrival, teams are lining up to sign Evan Polei to an NHL deal (why not Logan Day?)

JAY WOODCROFT’S 2018-19 ROOKIES

LW Tyler Benson (68, 15-51-66). A strong AHL season at 20 for an Oilers forward draft pick is about as rare as a playoff appearance for the parent team. Benson was quality in his first pro season, delivering deft passes and delivering results. A goal-scoring slump early in the year was corrected by 10 goals in his final 25 games. He has a clear shot at the NHL this fall.

RC Cooper Marody (58, 19-45-64). His value to the Condors has been driven home in every game since his injury. Marody has NHL hands, the only question surrounding his ability to flourish in the world’s best league is his boots. Not every player has to be a fast train, Marody could be one of the RH pieces on an Edmonton power play by this fall.

RD Logan Day (64, 7-27-34). Chaos blue can make plays and elevated the Condors power play (3-8-11, tied for second among Bakersfield blue). He doesn’t have an NHL contract, but his first AHL season suggests he has the skill required to push to the next level. The defensive part of the game needs to get tied down.

W Cameron Hebig (64, 11-18-29). A right shot deployed on the opposite wing at times during the season, Hebig started the campaign like a house on fire. In fact, in his first 10 games, Hebig scored 6-6-12. He was used in a complementary role afterward, but could emerge this fall as a feature player. He can score goals.

RW Kailer Yamamoto (27, 10-8-18). It was a disappointing season for the first-round draft pick (2017), but it’s important to point out he would have easily cleared 20 goals in a complete season (based on trajectory). He should have eclipsed Benson’s season total for points, but NHL time and a wrist injury caught him. One of the concerns about taking smaller players, especially those who win pucks, is injury. Hands are a bad injury for skill players. Yamamoto will need to have a strong year in 2019-20.

RC Tyler Vesel (61, 5-13-18). College player arrived in Bakersfield and landed a support role on a (mostly) checking line. His shooting percentage (five percent on 100 shots) should improve next season, and he had an impact on both special teams in college. Has a range of skills.

LD Jake Kulevich (29, 2-6-8). Another AHL contract, he filled the Ben Betker (No. 7D) role well when in Bakersfield. I don’t think he’ll get an NHL deal but he provided solid play when required and should be around next season.

LW Nolan Vesey (17, 0-3-3). Another of Peter Chiarelli’s curios, Edmonton gave up a conditional seventh-round pick in the 2020 draft for him. He couldn’t establish himself in the AHL at age 23, and also managed just 10 points in 32 ECHL games.

G Shane Starrett (42, 2.33 .918). Along with Benson and Marody, Starrett would have to receive strong consideration for Bakersfield’s top rookie. Al Montoya’s injury gave him the chance and Starrett ran away with the job. He is in a solid spot to become Bakersfield’s starter next year, meaning a recall is just an injury or a slump away.

G Dylan Wells (12, 2.84 .909). It’s easy for overlook Wells’ season, but he survived and posted respectable numbers. He had a .912 SP in Wichita (ECHL) in 22 games and stopped 35 of 38 in his only Condors playoff game (so far). A solid debut.

G Stuart Skinner (6, 2.99 .879). Too small a sample size to draw conclusions, Skinner played a lot with Wichita of the ECHL (41, 3.16 .903) this season. He was the No. 3 goalie among the rookies, but his recent performance with the Condors (3, 1.52 .948) is an exciting uptick on a pedestrian season.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy Monday with massive stories everywhere. TSN1260, beginning at 10. We’ll welcome Daniel Nugent-Bowman from The Athletic at 10:20, his fantastic article on Connor McDavid’s Mom and her impact on him is a must read and we’ll chat about it. At 11, Jason Gregor pops in to chat about Dave Tippett, the Raptors and FC Edmonton’s home opener and early success). At 11:25, Sean Woodley from Locked on Raptors and Raptors HQ will talk about the biggest shot in franchise history. Text 10-1260, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

written by

The author didn‘t add any Information to his profile yet.
Related Posts

120 Responses to "The Touch List"

  1. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I really hope we don’t get Tippet. Coach, his criticism was: “yeah he couldn’t take good teams to the promise land, and he’s old-school”

    – Tippett is old school, and his teams don’t make the playoffs, let alone go deep. But he was with Wayne in Arizona so there is that going for him, as Wayne missed playoffs 4 years in a row as coach before Tippet took over. Look at this record: that’s doesn’t scream: “turn-around coach” based on results. Maybe he’s awesome in the dressing room, coaching the team up and feeling good as his teams sucked. I guess you are hoping that if only he had good players, he’d be a better coach:

    Lost in Conference Quarterfinals
    Lost in Conference Quarterfinals
    Lost in Conference Quarterfinals
    Lost in Conference Finals
    Missed playoffs
    Lost in Conference Quarterfinals
    Lost in Conference Quarterfinals
    Lost in Conference Finals
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs

  2. 36 percent body fat says:

    avoid the Q, unless the player is elite, like top five, or they are of good draft value, like being rated 2nd round and still available in the 4th./

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    “It goes like this: Dmitri Samorukov might be the best prospect in the system. It isn’t a certainty, but his season has been so impressive we have to begin the conversation.”

    Yup, I’ve said this a number of times recently, not that I think its reasonable to project him to get there, I think his ceiling is higher than Bouchard’s on the premise that his skill-set is broader, he’s got all the tools to be a true #1D. Of course, Bouchard’s offensive ceiling is higher and Bouchard is much more of a lock to be a 500 game NHL player and to be a top 4 NHL player, however, if everything goes perfectly for Samorukov, given that plus defending, the aggressiveness, the plus skating, the vision, the offensive IQ, the ability to transition by pass or skating, etc., he could be that guy.

    To be clear, I don’t expect him to pop in that way and I don’t put him ahead of Bouchard in any ranking – just talking about the ceiling.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Logan Day has showed in the series with the Gulls exactly what he brings and exactly what his flaws are.

    He’s made some absolutely wonderful offensive plays – some almost 3 line stretch passes as an example. At the same time, he has given the puck away in the defensive zone, sometimes with bad passes, sometimes with indecision, just as many times.

    To me, his plus plays will never make up for his negative plays to give him a real shot at the NHL.

    With that said, I do think he’s earned a real “NHL contract” – I’m not sure if the Oilers will give it to him – the first game Holland watched was one of Day’s worst games in a long time.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ve always been of the opinion that Hebig will likely forge a nice AHL career (and maybe one in Europe) but I don’t consider him a real prospect for the NHL. Lets not forget that his big season in the WHL last year was as an overager – not many players that play an overage season in the CHL make it to the NHL.

    Of note, that goal scoring heater at the beginning of the year was almost exclusively on the power play if I remember correctly.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    The only things that have been massive disappointments about Yamamoto are (a) the injuries this year and (b) the clearly unrealistic expectations that have been put on the timeline for his development.

    Yamamoto was a 22nd overall draft pick – he was not a top 10 pick and reasonable expectations for a 22nd overall pick are for zero NHL games at this point in his career. The fact that management put him in to NHL games in his draft plus 1 season, in my opinion, has helped lead to unrealistic expectations regarding when he should be in the NHL.

    Jordan Eberle was a 22nd overall pick and spend his draft plus 1 and draft plus 2 seasons in junior.

    For those that have spent time watching the Condors, they can state that, once Kailer gained some traction in the AHL he became a high end AHL player – he started to drive offence and create scoring chances consistently playing with 3rd line AHL linemates (Vesel, Esposito). Once he gained traction he played like an all-star level AHL player.

    Injuries have derailed his season and perhaps they create cause from some concern going forward but he’s shown to be a high end AHL player and, assuming healthy, once given a good 40 games in the AHL next year (place him there in October and forget about him until 2020), I posit he’ll score at a PPG pace and create some NHL readiness in his game.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    Some are suggesting that Starrett not be re-signed because he hasn’t had a great playoff. He was one of the best goalies in the AHL this year, as a second year pro.

    He is a no-brainer re-sign.

    I’m not so sure he doesn’t get the net back tonight and I think I’d agree with the choice, even with Skinner playing very well in game 5.

  8. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    Injuries have derailed his season and perhaps they create cause from some concern going forward

    – Our top-4 F prospects have all had injuries and surgeries. Kailer and Pool have much higher skill levels and projections than Marody and Benson. And Jar: he can’t play complete season, ever

    – Project one of Maroday or Benson is in the NHL next year as a 3rd /4rth line replacement level that provides cap-relief (so a good result)

    – We have no F in the system that we can prudently project as anything other than cheaper replacement level for next season IMO. (sure hope for better)

    – The more I think of it, the more I suspect there are a lot of changes. I disagreed with LT’s take on this, but I think the desire to make playoffs, and the desire of the OBC (which will stay), to do things to improve the club short-term is going to be too great.

  9. ArmchairGM says:

    “Samorukov’s 28 points (10-18–28) are the most by a defenceman in the OHL Playoffs since Windsor’s Ryan Ellis (3-30–33) in 2010.”

    http://ontariohockeyleague.com/article/storm-come-from-behind-to-win-2019-ohl-championship

    For context, this is Samorukov’s draft+2 season, Ellis did it in his draft+1. Ellis needed 19 games, Samorukov 24. Of course, Ellis also went 20, 8-23-31 in his draft year too…

    Notwithstanding, it’s nice to have TWO defense prospects getting Ellis comparisons.

  10. jp says:

    I finally started playing around with the Armchair-GM tool at CapFriendly. Nice interface for keeping track of things.

    My first crack at a reasonable 19-20 Oilers team:
    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Brown-Nuge-Donskoi
    Benson-Marody-Puljujarvi
    Khaira-Sutter-Chiasson
    Gagner-Cave

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Stralman
    Sekera-Jones
    Persson

    Koskinen-Elliott

    Trades:
    Lucic, 2019 2nd, 2020 2nd for Brandon Sutter (2 yrs at 4.375M)
    Russell to Van? for a 5th
    Benning for Connor Brown

    RFA signings:
    Puljujarvi 2X1.25M
    Khaira 2X1.1M
    Gambardella 2X0.725M

    UFA signings:
    Stralman 2X4.5M
    Donskoi 5X3.5M
    Elliott 2X2.5M
    Chiasson 2X1.5M

    Brodziak and Manning burried. Gambardella, Currie and the young defenders in Bakersfield for depth.

    The 4th line could be the 3rd line if the kids aren’t up to the task.

    About 1.5M in cap space remains open.

    Relatively reasonable, and should be a somewhat improved team from this season.

  11. ArmchairGM says:

    ArmchairGM:
    “Samorukov’s 28 points (10-18–28) are the most by a defenceman in the OHL Playoffs since Windsor’s Ryan Ellis (3-30–33) in 2010.”

    http://ontariohockeyleague.com/article/storm-come-from-behind-to-win-2019-ohl-championship

    For context, this is Samorukov’s draft+2 season, Ellis did it in his draft+1. Ellis needed 19 games, Samorukov 24. Of course, Ellis also went 20, 8-23-31 in his draft year too…

    Notwithstanding, it’s nice to have TWO defense prospects getting Ellis comparisons.

    As an aside, Bouchard – who only played 2 rounds – finished 3rd amongst defensemen for scoring in the OHL playoffs, and T11th overall. His 11, 4-17-21 is an astounding pace. Even more impressive is the fact that Bouchard is the 3rd highest d-man scorer in AHL playoffs too (1 point behind the leaders), despite getting to the team late and seeing only limited ice-time so far. Ridiculous talent.

    I don’t think the 1/3rd rule applies to the top six defenders in the system today.

  12. Oil2Oilers says:

    OriginalPouzar: just talking about the ceiling

    I your opinion how could/should Samorukov best be supported in order for him to achieve his ceiling?

    I guess what I am asking is what are his faults, or what he need to work on to take the next step? Or is just a matter of time and seasoning?

    I am looking forward to watching him in the Memorial Cup.

  13. Death By Misadventure says:

    LT said: Dmitri Samorukov might be the best prospect in the system.

    LT, I almost always agree with your measured and reasonable approach to things, but for someone that uses math as their central guide, this is a bridge too far. I think you’re letting a nice playoff run cloud your judgement.

    Evan Bouchard is a far better prospect.

  14. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Once he gained traction he played like an all-star level AHL player.

    – I defer to you of course on all things AHL. I wasn’t aware of a sustained AHL all-star level: but if he can come back next year, do that for a season and put up better numbers than Maroday and Benson (who are older and should be dominating AHL), than maybe in another seaosn he could be slotted with skill. Nothing wrong with that.

    – But we ought be less enthused than a few years ago with his ceiling IMO, and hope for best

  15. Ben says:

    Death By Misadventure:
    LT said: Dmitri Samorukov might be the best prospect in the system.

    LT, I almost always agree with your measured and reasonable approach to things, but for someone that uses math as their central guide, this is a bridge too far. I think you’re letting a nice playoff run cloud your judgement.

    Evan Bouchard is a far better prospect.

    How much time have you spent watching both of these players?

    I won’t claim to prolific scouting, but from what I’ve seen there’s not question that Samorukov has the broader skill set at this point, impacting the game positively at both ends of the ice.

    He might not have Bouchard’s PP acumen, but could definitely see Sam playing ahead of Bouchard in terms of minutes played per game if they both pan out.

  16. dustrock says:

    We’ve tried vastly experienced coaches in McLellan and Hitchcock.

    Now we’re looking at Tippett. Why?

    What can he bring that T-Mac and Hitch couldn’t?

  17. stush18 says:

    jp,

    I think you’re likely a little light on your UFA signings. You’ve went shorter term, which usually drives up the price.

    Also, Philly wouldn’t play Elliot, so they traded for Talbot, who was awful. I don’t think he’s the upgrade for backup we need.

    At this point, we might as welll go with Stolarz imo.

  18. stush18 says:

    jp,

    I think you’ve likely went a little light on your free agent signings. You’ve went shorter term (smart), but that usually drives up the price.

    Also, Philly traded for Talbot because they didn’t trust Elliot. Talbot was awful while here, so I can’t see Elliott as an improvement.

    At that point you might as well just go with Stolarz.

  19. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I really hope we don’t get Tippet.Coach, his criticism was: “yeah he couldn’t take good teams to the promise land, and he’s old-school”

    – Tippett is old school, and his teams don’t make the playoffs, let alone go deep.But he was with Wayne in Arizona so there is that going for him, as Wayne missed playoffs 4 years in a row as coach before Tippet took over.Look at this record: that’s doesn’t scream: “turn-around coach” based on results.Maybe he’s awesome in the dressing room, coaching the team up and feeling good as his teams sucked.I guess you are hoping that if only he had good players, he’d be a better coach:

    Lost in Conference Quarterfinals
    Lost in Conference Quarterfinals
    Lost in Conference Quarterfinals
    Lost in Conference Finals
    Missed playoffs
    Lost in Conference Quarterfinals
    Lost in Conference Quarterfinals
    Lost in Conference Finals
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs

    Dave Tippett has the exact same resume as Todd McLellan. Inherited a good team in Dallas and sustained it. Uber-system-defensive coach than did nothing in Arizona. Didn’t really develop anyone there apart from Ekman-Larsson. Won a power play with Don Maloney, and the team got even worse. Not known as a player’s coach.

    Hard-ass old timey system coaches have just worked so well in Edmonton that they want to fail with another one.

  20. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    “It goes like this: Dmitri Samorukov might be the best prospect in the system. It isn’t a certainty, but his season has been so impressive we have to begin the conversation.”

    Yup, I’ve said this a number of times recently, not that I think its reasonable to project him to get there, I think his ceiling is higher than Bouchard’s on the premise that his skill-set is broader, he’s got all the tools to be a true #1D. Of course, Bouchard’s offensive ceiling is higher and Bouchard is much more of a lock to be a 500 game NHL player and to be a top 4 NHL player, however, if everything goes perfectly for Samorukov, given that plus defending, the aggressiveness, the plus skating, the vision, the offensive IQ, the ability to transition by pass or skating, etc., he could be that guy.

    To be clear, I don’t expect him to pop in that way and I don’t put him ahead of Bouchard in any ranking – just talking about the ceiling.

    I feel less bad about Byram being out of the Oilers reach at the draft. The Oilers can just take the best forward who falls to them. TeamNOTCaufield.

  21. Jethro Tull says:

    Ken: So Dave, I’m sure you know all about Connor. His main skill is using his speed, skating agility, puck control and offensive acumen, he’s able to seemingly transition through the neutral zone at will from blue line to blue line.

    Dave: Yeah, he’s got a few other problems too. Neutral zones are for neutral play, otherwise they’d be called Connor Zones. Don’t worry, we’ll soon have it bottled up. Fans are gonna love it.

  22. McSorley33 says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Great posts.

    Hard not to be optimistic about our D prospects.

  23. Death By Misadventure says:

    Ben: How much time have you spent watching both of these players?

    I won’t claim to prolific scouting, but from what I’ve seen there’s not question that Samorukov has the broader skill set at this point, impacting the game positively at both ends of the ice.

    He might not have Bouchard’s PP acumen, but could definitely see Sam playing ahead of Bouchard in terms of minutes played per game if they both pan out.

    The answer is none.

    Having said that I’m confident in my statement and standby what I said.

  24. Ben says:

    Death By Misadventure: The answer is none.

    Having said that I’m confident in my statement and standby what I said.

    🙂 This has gotta be a line from Veep…

  25. Side says:

    Death By Misadventure: The answer is none.

    Having said that I’m confident in my statement and standby what I said.

    At least you’re honest…

  26. YKOil says:

    Fo anyone interested:

    Lucic

    Cap: … $6.00m / 6.00m / 6.00m / 6.00m = $24.00m
    Cash: . $6.00m / 4.00m / 5.00m / 4.00m = $19.00m … Yr 1 s-b $3.00m = $16.00m
    Clauses: NMC / NMC / NTC 8 / NTC 10
    B-O: … $3.625m / 5.625m / 4.125m / 5.625m / 0.625m / 0.625m / 0.625m / 0.625m

    Eriksson

    Cap: … $6.00m / 6.00m / 6.00m = $18.00m
    Cash: . $5.00m / 4.00m / 4.00m = $13.00m … Yr 1 s-b $4.00m = $9.00m
    Clauses: NTC / NTC 15 / NTC 15
    B-O: … $5.556m / 5.556m / 3.556m / 0.556m / 0.556m / 0.556m

    On review the Eriksson contract is a huge upgrade really. The only negative is the Yr. 1 buy-out provides less relief but a buy-out is stupid regardless so it isn’t much of a negative.

    Three huge positives re: Eriksson vs. Lucic contracts:

    1. One fewer year in the contract (so two fewer years re: impact of a buy-out)
    2. No NMC in Eriksson contract and the NTC restrictions are much more team friendly
    3. The signing bonus structure makes the Eriksson contract VERY trade friendly

    We know the Lucic contract becomes more trade-friendly after the July 1 signing bonus: $24m in Cap for only $16m in Cash

    Well, the Eriksson contract delivers $18m in Cap for only $9m in Cash after the signing bonus is paid; VERY trade friendly. Stunningly so. I would consider making the trade for this feature alone.

    The difference between two contracts is stunning when you look at the details. If the trade is available, in absence of a better deal, the Oilers should sprint to the fax machine.

  27. slopitch says:

    Nice Wheeler has Spencer Knight at 45. Dach and Knight would be a great 1/2 imo.

    This Lucic + 8 for 14 + 3rd trade idea with Arizona has my mind wandering. Follow that up by flipping 14 for say 20 and 2nd and move Russel for a 3rd. By clearing 10 mill in cap space and hopefully nailing the draft, the Oilers would be loaded up like they were in 2015 minus Hall. Undo most of the Chairelli harm but now they have a D pipeline in place and ready to go. If you look at how Boston was able to reload, they kept the core in place and loaded up on prospects like Debrusk, Pastranak and Carlo. Could even be more scary with better 2015 1st round. The Oilers dont have a moveable player like Lucic/Hamilton (debatable Nurse?) who have enough value to bring in a 1st rounder but by packaging Lucic with the 8, they might be able to make it happen.

  28. bwar says:

    I loved Evan Polei in juniors and was happy when I heard he had entered the Oilers famr system. I always wonder how players like Polei get a chance to make the jump from AHL 3rd/4th line to NHL 4th line. He’s a high energy physical player who somehow finds a way to contribute. I’d like to know what the gap is between a player like Polei and players like Colby Cave, Kyle Brodziak, Ty Rattie when put exclusively in a fourth line role. I hope Polei gets an NHL deal from someone next season.

  29. Ulfstroem says:

    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/223359&post_id=848365

    This is what i can come up with. Your thoughts?

  30. Rich M says:

    godot10,

    Godot, I have a lot of respect for your opinion (and OP’s) re: the coach but did Tippett really inherit a good team in Dallas?

    The year before he got there:

    01-02 Missed the playoffs (under Hitch)
    02-03 Conference Semi’s.
    03-04 Conference Qtrs
    05-06 Conference Qtrs
    06-07 Conference Qtrs
    07-08 Conference Finals
    08-09 Missed playoffs (fired)

    When he got there in 02-03 the team core was aging/slowing down. Modano 32, Muller 36, Zubov 32, Dahlen 36, Guerin 32, Hatcher (still can’t stand him) 32, Sydor 30, Turgeon 33. GM maybe held on to the core from the 98-99 Cup Win (and 99-00 Final appearance) too long and wanted to recapture the glory. My sense, as the game started opening up and the Dallas core aged, he got everything he could out of it.

    In Phoenix, he inherited a team that had missed the playoffs 4 years in a row (under Gretzky as OP notes above) and it was also a team that was a financial mess, couldn’t afford to keep/hold onto guys and got them to the playoffs 3 year’s in a row. The 3rd season, he got them to a conference final (where they lost to the eventual Stanley Cup champ).

    All the time, they didn’t have great drafting nor the ability to go out and sign FA to take the last step. After the last playoff trip though, there was the lockout and the season after, they just missed the playoffs – and then that team started to get dismantled again (couldn’t afford to keep up).

    My gripe with Tippett is the style his teams play is a throwback to the dead puck era. But after wandering in the wilderness for 12 of the last 13 years, if that’s the only reason I can come up with to dislike him, maybe I need to rethink things?

    Personally, I would prefer Todd Nelson as the head coach, but Tippett’s track record isn’t that bad.

  31. YKOil says:

    slopitch:
    Nice Wheeler has Spencer Knight at 45. Dach and Knight would be a great 1/2 imo.

    This Lucic + 8 for 14 + 3rd trade idea with Arizona has my mind wandering. Follow that up by flipping 14 for say 20 and 2nd and move Russel for a 3rd. … The Oilers dont have a moveable player (Nurse?) who have enough value to bring in a 1st rounder …

    The Arizona idea isn’t a bad one at all; dropping Lucic for a simple move-down would be gold. Best part, it IS plausible if the right player drops.

    I think Nurse could bring back a 1st pretty easily, not sure how high a 1st though.

    Russell has legit trade value. Straight-up he doesn’t get much but if the Oil take a (less) bad contract back then a 2nd or 3rd rounder return starts to look plausible.

  32. Nit64 says:

    Rich M: Personally, I would prefer Todd Nelson as the head coach, but Tippett’s track record isn’t that bad.

    From the outside like the idea of Nelson. Holland of course knows his work in detail. Holland wants short term stability (proven head coach) and long term stability (strong relationship). Hope Nelson ticks both boxes.

  33. SwedishPoster says:

    godot10: Dave Tippett has the exact same resume as Todd McLellan.Inherited a good team in Dallas and sustained it.Uber-system-defensive coach than did nothing in Arizona.Didn’t really develop anyone there apart from Ekman-Larsson.Won a power play with Don Maloney, and the team got even worse. Not known as a player’s coach.

    Hard-ass old timey system coaches have just worked so well in Edmonton that they want to fail with another one.

    From former players commenting and old articles on him Tippett certainly comes off as a players coach

    I personally don’t like the style he tends to play though and I think he’s tactically behind the current game, unless ofc he’s progressed during his time off.

    This article for example.

    https://www.google.com/amp/arizonasports.com/story/438255/busting-some-myths-about-coyotes-coach-dave-tippett/amp/

  34. ArmchairGM says:

    YKOil,

    I think it’s more likely that Eriksson goes to Ottawa after his bonus is paid, leaving Vancouver open for a Sutter for Lucic with 27% retention swap. If Edmonton retains $1.625M the deal is cap neutral for 2 years, then savings of $4.375M for the final 2 years.

    Edmonton would end up paying $13.333M in cash (Sutter’s $9M + $4.333M over 4 years for Lucic), Vancouver would be on the hook for $11.667M.

  35. Pouzar says:

    bwar:
    I loved Evan Polei in juniors and was happy when I heard he had entered the Oilers famr system.I always wonder how players like Polei get a chance to make the jump from AHL 3rd/4th line to NHL 4th line.He’s a high energy physical player who somehow finds a way to contribute.I’d like to know what the gap is between a player like Polei and players like Colby Cave, Kyle Brodziak, Ty Rattie when put exclusively in a fourth line role.I hope Polei gets an NHL deal from someone next season.

    Reminded me of Maroon in my live viewings. Big with sneaky skill with a lot of snarl but better boots.

  36. bwar says:

    Pouzar: Reminded me of Maroon in my live viewings. Big with sneaky skill with a lot of snarl but better boots.

    He shaved off the beard so the resemblance has diminished a bit.

  37. YKOil says:

    ArmchairGM:
    YKOil,
    I think it’s more likely that Eriksson goes to Ottawa after his bonus is paid, leaving Vancouver open for a Sutter for Lucic with 27% retention swap. If Edmonton retains $1.625M the deal is cap neutral for 2 years, then savings of $4.375M for the final 2 years.

    Edmonton would end up paying $13.333M in cash (Sutter’s $9M + $4.333M over 4 years for Lucic), Vancouver would be on the hook for $11.667M.

    That works too really. Soooo much better than a buy-out. Cannot believe that is even a thing.

  38. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The only things that have been massive disappointments about Yamamoto are (a) the injuries this year and (b) the clearly unrealistic expectations that have been put on the timeline for his development.

    Yamamoto was a 22nd overall draft pick – he was not a top 10 pick and reasonable expectations for a 22nd overall pick are for zero NHL games at this point in his career. The fact that management put him in to NHL games in his draft plus 1 season, in my opinion, has helped lead to unrealistic expectations regarding when he should be in the NHL.

    Jordan Eberle was a 22nd overall pick and spend his draft plus 1 and draft plus 2 seasons in junior.

    For those that have spent time watching the Condors, they can state that, once Kailer gained some traction in the AHL he became a high end AHL player – he started to drive offence and create scoring chances consistently playing with 3rd line AHL linemates (Vesel, Esposito). Once he gained traction he played like an all-star level AHL player.

    Injuries have derailed his season and perhaps they create cause from some concern going forward but he’s shown to be a high end AHL player and, assuming healthy, once given a good 40 games in the AHL next year (place him there in October and forget about him until 2020), I posit he’ll score at a PPG pace and create some NHL readiness in his game.

    +1

  39. Side says:

    godot10: Dave Tippett has the exact same resume as Todd McLellan.Inherited a good team in Dallas and sustained it.Uber-system-defensive coach than did nothing in Arizona.Didn’t really develop anyone there apart from Ekman-Larsson.Won a power play with Don Maloney, and the team got even worse. Not known as a player’s coach.

    Hard-ass old timey system coaches have just worked so well in Edmonton that they want to fail with another one.

    I seem to recall you saying McLellan was disliked by his players when he was coming to Edmonton and despite many people showing you interviews or articles saying otherwise, you still insisted he was disliked.

    I guess this is part of the island life you live, though.

  40. ArmchairGM says:

    Ulfstroem:
    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/223359&post_id=848365

    This is what i can come up with. Your thoughts?

    Why do you think Francouz is better than Starrett? Our goalie had better numbers in the regular season and then beat the Eagle’s keeper in a head-to-head matchup in the 1st round of the playoffs.

    Methinks too many people are swayed by his 2 game NHL save percentage.

  41. Jaxon says:

    By the Numbers, I’m wary of Zegras, Boldy, Dach, and Krebs, less so on Caufield but still concerned about TOI on that US National Development Team. I’d rather pick Kakko than Hughes, too. If Byram, Turcotte, and Cozens are gone and Zegras, Boldy, Dach, and Krebs are still available, I hope they trade down to the 13-18 range and pick someone like Tomasino, Kaliyev, Lavoie, or Seider. By the numbers (high 5v5 primary points/60 and TOI), size, and scouting reports (high IQ, high energy, fast and agile, skilled, and hard working), I think Tomasino may be the best player in the draft and could be a perfect compliment to McDavid or Draisaitl. Outside Cozens, Turcotte, Byram, Kakko, and Hughes, he may be the BPA. That said, no list has him above #14, so trading down to 14 could get what I suspect may be the 6th best player in the draft. Trading down could also get them another asset by way of pick, prospect, player, or even salary dump.

  42. Death By Misadventure says:

    Ben: This has gotta be a line from Veep…

    Haha I’ve seen only a few episodes but I think your assessment is bang on. I didn’t want to get into a mathy pissing much so decided to keep things short.

    Look, my thinking in regards to the Samorukov vs Bouchard is that Samorukov is having a nice playoff run and that’s fantastic to see but that’s still a small sample size. Or at least a smaller sample in which Bouchard has put up his gaudy numbers in. So as much as I don’t dispute that Samorukov is becoming a prospect of note, he simply lags in mind behind Bouchard due to draft pedigree and duration in which a high level of performance has been sustained.

    Hence, at this time, I don’t see why Samorukov is a more substantial prospect than Bouchard.

    Your mileage may very and I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

  43. Death By Misadventure says:

    Side: At least you’re honest…

    Thank You but I have to admit I frequently lie to my children. Mostly about vegetables.

  44. Death By Misadventure says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Both Cosentino and Wheeler have Dach at #8. How cool would that be?

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sportsnets-2019-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-may/

    https://theathletic.com/947751/2019/05/06/wheeler-final-ranking-for-the-2019-nhl-drafts-top-100-prospects/

    Need a team ahead of us to jump on the potential granade that is Podkolzin. My fear is, and perhaps unfounded, that the choice is somehow between Krebs, Podkolzin, and Boldy. All of which to me are a tier below a Dach.

    Anyways, in Ken we trust.

  45. jp says:

    stush18:
    jp,

    I think you’re likely a little light on your UFA signings. You’ve went shorter term, which usually drives up the price.

    Also, Philly wouldn’t play Elliot, so they traded for Talbot, who was awful. I don’t think he’s the upgrade for backup we need.

    At this point, we might as welll go with Stolarz imo.

    You could be right on the signing $$, but…
    Chiasson wants to stay so maybe 3M over 2 yrs does it. If he can get more elsewhere that’s fine.
    Stralman probably won’t come, but he’s turning 33 and 4.5M is more than his current deal is paying.
    Donskoi has never scored 40 points, maybe 17.5M gets it done.
    Who knows.

    On Elliott, he’s not ideal but neither are the other available options. The Talbot pickup for Philadelphia was weird, they still played Elliott more down the stretch. Maybe they were still worried about Elliott’s injury? Not sexy, but Elliott has been capable for many years.

  46. Death By Misadventure says:

    YKOil:
    Fo anyone interested:

    Lucic

    Cap: … $6.00m / 6.00m / 6.00m / 6.00m = $24.00m
    Cash: . $6.00m / 4.00m / 5.00m / 4.00m = $19.00m … Yr 1 s-b $3.00m = $16.00m
    Clauses: NMC / NMC / NTC 8 / NTC 10
    B-O: … $3.625m / 5.625m / 4.125m / 5.625m / 0.625m / 0.625m / 0.625m / 0.625m

    Eriksson

    Cap: … $6.00m / 6.00m / 6.00m = $18.00m
    Cash: . $5.00m / 4.00m / 4.00m = $13.00m … Yr 1 s-b $4.00m = $9.00m
    Clauses: NTC / NTC 15 / NTC 15
    B-O: … $5.556m / 5.556m / 3.556m / 0.556m / 0.556m / 0.556m

    On review the Eriksson contract is a huge upgrade really.The only negative is the Yr. 1 buy-out provides less relief but a buy-out is stupid regardless so it isn’t much of a negative.

    Three huge positives re: Eriksson vs. Lucic contracts:

    1. One fewer year in the contract (so two fewer years re: impact of a buy-out)
    2. No NMC in Eriksson contract and the NTC restrictions are much more team friendly
    3. The signing bonus structure makes the Eriksson contract VERY trade friendly

    We know the Lucic contract becomes more trade-friendly after the July 1 signing bonus: $24m in Cap for only $16m in Cash

    Well, the Eriksson contract delivers $18m in Cap for only $9m in Cash after the signing bonus is paid; VERY trade friendly.Stunningly so. I would consider making the trade for this feature alone.

    The difference between two contracts is stunning when you look at the details.If the trade is available, in absence of a better deal, the Oilers should sprint to the fax machine.

    +1

    I see no reason why Van would make this trade one for one.

    Question is what would it take to make it happen short of Eriksson ripping the owner via social media all summer until his hand is forced.

  47. jp says:

    Ulfstroem,

    Not bad at all, though I wouldn’t want to give up Puljujarvi for 1 year of Faulk. I’d rather struggle through with Sekera/Russell for another year personally.

  48. Side says:

    Death By Misadventure: Thank You but I have to admit I frequently lie to my children. Mostly about vegetables.

    It’s okay, I lie to children all of the time too.

    “Yeah your drawing looks GREAT!”

  49. Gerta Rauss says:

    YKOil,

    Re:Lucic/Eriksson swap

    All good points- the item that intrigues me is you can assign Eriksson to the AHL if it comes to that. I’d start him on the NHL roster and go from there, but if he is truly awful, send him to the AHL, replace him with a $650k contract, and you actually gain a modest cap savings (accepting that the $6m is a sunk cost)

  50. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10,

    Didn’t really develop anyone there apart from Ekman-Larsson.

    There’s an argument that he helped develop Hanzal and Yandle, although both had 2 NHL years under Gretzky first. Boedekker had 1 year with Gretzky then 7 with Tippett.

    NHLers with > 50 NHL gp that debuted under Tippett:

    OEL
    Brandon Gormley
    Louis Domingue
    Connor Murphy
    Jordan Martinook
    Max Domi
    Christian Dvorak
    Brendan Perlini

    Don’t think it would be fair to include Dylan Strome, Christian Fischer or Clayton Keller.

    There’s a good argument that Martinook, Domi, Dvorak and Perlini (somewhat) were much better under Tippett than before. That might also be due to them working their way up the roster into tougher competition.

    There’s an argument that he didn’t help Turris along at all.

    I’d say there’s more evidence that he helped developed kids than didn’t.

  51. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Rich M,

    – Tippit is the safe choice and Todd was fired and every management person save Holland who was there is still in the organization. Plus the optics of hiring back a coach that was fired isn’t good move

    – we had a coach that ran well structured teams that couldn’t take them all the way. There is some logic in going opposite and getting a coach who could not take teams to playoffs. So a different approach as he learned from his failures while Coach relies on a good team.

    – Pretty sure it’s Tipopit.

  52. Alpine says:

    I think a good way to dispose of Lucic’s contract is to use a third team to help retain salary. Vegas did this when Ottawa traded Brassard.

    I would suggest sending Lucic to Ottawa and having them retain salary and then trading him somewhere where he would waive his NMC.

    It becomes tricky if both Edmonton and Ottawa retain salary because then we would be at the max of teams that can retain salary on one contract. But doing that makes it more palatable for the team actually acquiring Lucic.

    Alas, it’s harder for that team to move Lucic down the road because two teams are already retaining salary. At that point I guess the acquiring team better hope for a compliance buyout option or that Lucic doesn’t regress beyond not being an NHLer anymore.

  53. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Rich M:
    godot10,

    Godot, I have a lot of respect for your opinion (and OP’s) re: the coach but did Tippett really inherit a good team in Dallas?

    The year before he got there:

    01-02 Missed the playoffs (under Hitch)
    02-03 Conference Semi’s.
    03-04 Conference Qtrs
    05-06 Conference Qtrs
    06-07 Conference Qtrs
    07-08 Conference Finals
    08-09 Missed playoffs (fired)

    When he got there in 02-03 the team core was aging/slowing down.Modano 32, Muller 36, Zubov 32, Dahlen 36, Guerin 32, Hatcher (still can’t stand him) 32, Sydor 30, Turgeon 33.GM maybe held on to the core from the 98-99 Cup Win (and 99-00 Final appearance) too long and wanted to recapture the glory.My sense, as the game started opening up and the Dallas core aged, he got everything he could out of it.

    In Phoenix, he inherited a team that had missed the playoffs 4 years in a row (under Gretzky as OP notes above) and it was also a team that was a financial mess, couldn’t afford to keep/hold onto guys and got them to the playoffs 3 year’s in a row.The 3rd season, he got them to a conference final (where they lost to the eventual Stanley Cup champ).

    All the time, they didn’t have great drafting nor the ability to go out and sign FA to take the last step.After the last playoff trip though, there was the lockout and the season after, they just missed the playoffs – and then that team started to get dismantled again (couldn’t afford to keep up).

    My gripe with Tippett is the style his teams play is a throwback to the dead puck era.But after wandering in the wilderness for 12 of the last 13 years, if that’s the only reason I can come up with to dislike him, maybe I need to rethink things?

    Personally, I would prefer Todd Nelson as the head coach, but Tippett’s track record isn’t that bad.

    Yeah, I’m in the same spot as you on Tippett.

    Not my first choice, but I don’t dislike the idea.

    For the years he was in PHX/ARI, here is how far below the cap the team was:

    09/10 13.3MM
    10/11 9.2MM
    11/12 9.6MM
    12/13 19.9MM
    13/14 1.9MM
    14/15 12.1MM
    15/16 11.6MM
    16/17 10.4MM

    Remember that these numbers represent ~15% of the cap as the cap was much lower then. 56.8MM in 09/10 and 73.0MM in 16/17.

    Not sure why they were allowed to spend so much in 13/14.

    Maybe the NHL had the full accounting of the 11/12 run to the Conference Finals done threw them a bone?

  54. OilersFuture says:

    Vancouver will NOT pickup Lucic without a LOW cap hit well under 3 million. Because both players mentioned Sutter & Eriksson should be either expired or moveable prior to the start of the 2021-22 season. Which is important as this is when the Hughes & Peterson ELC are up. So if the Oilers want a Erickson or Sutter swap for Lucic they will need to broker a deal through another team.

    If the Oiler’s can get Lucic’s cap hit under 2.5 then maybe they can make it work. Until then a Lucic to Vancouver deal isn’t really realistic.

    A sample deal for this would be
    Lucic – Oilers Retain 30% & Sens Retain 40% – Final Cap Hit 2.52 —> Vancouver
    Eriksson —> Ottawa
    Smith —> Edmonton

    The Sens would likely need a sweetener from both Vancouver & Edmonton.

  55. Death By Misadventure says:

    Side: It’s okay, I lie to children all of the time too.

    “Yeah your drawing looks GREAT!”

    Yeah that’s a classic. In our household, every one of their art projects is the equivalent of a young Picasso.

    I also lie about the exploits of one Nail Yakupov, but I think it’s mostly to myself.

  56. London Jon says:

    godot10: Dave Tippett has the exact same resume as Todd McLellan.Inherited a good team in Dallas and sustained it.Uber-system-defensive coach than did nothing in Arizona.Didn’t really develop anyone there apart from Ekman-Larsson.Won a power play with Don Maloney, and the team got even worse. Not known as a player’s coach.

    Hard-ass old timey system coaches have just worked so well in Edmonton that they want to fail with another one.

    I’m pretty sure PC, and management, was the problem and not either of the coaches or the players…

  57. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    For the record, I take Nelson over Tippett, I just don’t think Tippett is a horrible idea.

    Here’s an interesting interview with Nelson: https://theathletic.com/74290/2017/07/09/sunday-q-and-a-todd-nelson-and-his-jam-it-down-their-throat-coaching-philosophy/

    I love this part: (CC is Craig Custance)

    CC: You ran five forwards on the power play?

    TN: “Five forwards. We had the best power play in the league. We broke a franchise record and were on the cusp of breaking the league record. We ran 26 percent the whole year.”

    Then later in the interview…..

    CC: The game needs more creativity.

    TN: “I agree. I just want the opportunity to show it.”

  58. ArmchairGM says:

    Jaxon:
    By the Numbers, I’m wary of Zegras, Boldy, Dach, and Krebs, less so on Caufield but still concerned about TOI on that US National Development Team. I’d rather pick Kakko than Hughes, too. If Byram, Turcotte, and Cozens are gone and Zegras, Boldy, Dach, and Krebs are still available, I hope they trade down to the 13-18 range and pick someone like Tomasino, Kaliyev, Lavoie, or Seider. By the numbers (high 5v5 primary points/60 and TOI), size, and scouting reports (high IQ, high energy, fast and agile, skilled, and hard working), I think Tomasino may be the best player in the draft and could be a perfect compliment to McDavid or Draisaitl. Outside Cozens, Turcotte, Byram, Kakko, and Hughes, he may be the BPA. That said, no list has him above #14, so trading down to 14 could get what I suspect may be the 6th best player in the draft. Trading down could also get them another asset by way of pick, prospect, player, or even salary dump.

    Tomasino might be available in the 2nd round, too. Cosentino has him at 25 and Wheeler at 34. I’d rather trade our #38 + a later pick to move up to ~30th if he’s still there.

  59. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Yeah, I’m in the same spot as you on Tippett.

    Not my first choice, but I don’t dislike the idea.

    For the years he was in PHX/ARI, here is how far below the cap the team was:

    09/1013.3MM
    10/119.2MM
    11/129.6MM
    12/1319.9MM
    13/141.9MM
    14/1512.1MM
    15/1611.6MM
    16/1710.4MM

    Remember that these numbers represent ~15% of the cap as the cap was much lower then.56.8MM in 09/10 and 73.0MM in 16/17.

    Not sure why they were allowed to spend so much in 13/14.

    Maybe the NHL had the full accounting of the 11/12 run to the Conference Finals done threw them a bone?

    Can’t wait to see what he does with an arguably poorer/less balanced roster and cap hit hell.

    Way I see it though is the coach isn’t responsible for the cap spending. I’ve no doubt he gives a wish list to the GM and is consulted on decisions, but I think it’s more FYI than “what do you think”.

    Are we saying that lower cap teams are generally poorer in results/quality? Where would be the line drawn between Scrooge McDuck and Billy Bean?

    I’m for giving Nelson his shot. Were he to come back to the org, it could be seen as a forgiveness and that the Oilers are trying. Though passing Craig in the hallway could be awkward.

  60. ArmchairGM says:

    Death By Misadventure: Haha I’ve seen only a few episodes but I think your assessment is bang on. I didn’t want to get into a mathy pissing much so decided to keep things short.

    Look, my thinking in regards to the Samorukov vs Bouchard is that Samorukov is having a nice playoff run and that’s fantastic to see but that’s still a small sample size. Or at least a smaller sample in which Bouchard has put up his gaudy numbers in. So as much as I don’t dispute that Samorukov is becoming a prospect of note, he simply lags in mind behind Bouchard due to draft pedigree and duration in which a high level of performance has been sustained.

    Hence, at this time, I don’t see why Samorukov is a more substantial prospect than Bouchard.

    Your mileage may very and I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

    I can’t wait to watch them progess in Bakersfield next year – hopefully they’re paired up for maximum viewing pleasure.

  61. Darth Tu says:

    Checking up on the Slovakia – Canada game, it’s 5-4 to Canada going into the third period. I’m not watching, so can only go by stats, those have Nurse and Sekera leading the way shift wise for their respective teams. Nurse is +1 (no points), and Sekera is sitting at evens (also no points).

  62. godot10 says:

    Side: I seem to recall you saying McLellan was disliked by his players when he was coming to Edmonton and despite many people showing you interviews or articles saying otherwise, you still insisted he was disliked.

    I guess this is part of the island life you live, though.

    My adjective for McLellan was “mediocre”. Likeability by players was never part of my argument.

    It was #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach not #ThoroughlyUnlikeableCoach

  63. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I don’t know: a Holland – Tippett – new coaching staff – Keith – a few Detroit scouts – MacT – Hitch, punt a Howson-type, with Bob being the go-between. Hope I’m missing stuff, and these guys are great….

    – But then again I was pumped about Chia and Coach, and how did that turn out

  64. Rich M says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Yeah, I’m in the same spot as you on Tippett.

    Not my first choice, but I don’t dislike the idea.

    For the years he was in PHX/ARI, here is how far below the cap the team was:

    09/1013.3MM
    10/119.2MM
    11/129.6MM
    12/1319.9MM
    13/141.9MM
    14/1512.1MM
    15/1611.6MM
    16/1710.4MM

    Remember that these numbers represent ~15% of the cap as the cap was much lower then.56.8MM in 09/10 and 73.0MM in 16/17.

    Not sure why they were allowed to spend so much in 13/14.

    Maybe the NHL had the full accounting of the 11/12 run to the Conference Finals done threw them a bone?

    Went back and checked what Phoenix did prior to the trade deadline that year. They couldn’t get Turris to commit to staying in the desert so they shipped him to Ottawa for David Runblad in December.

    The most significant trade was adding Antoine Vermette (for McElhinney) and that helped them down the middle (2C, wins face-offs, can spot against other team’s top line).

    That was part of the NHL allowing them to add to the payroll because they were in the running for the division – and they were talking with potential buyers – probably trying to enhance the balance sheet by giving them a shot at a deep run that would reduce their losses.

    Again, credit due to Tippett for making chicken salad out of chicken you know what. But in doing that, it was still hard on the eyes.

  65. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Rich M,

    – Tippit is the safe choice and Todd was fired and every management person save Holland who was there is still in the organization. Plus the optics of hiring back a coach that was fired isn’t good move

    – we had a coach that ran well structured teams that couldn’t take them all the way. There is some logic in going opposite and getting a coach who could not take teams to playoffs. So a different approach as he learned from his failures while Coach relies on a good team.

    – Pretty sure it’s Tipopit.

    Nelson wasn’t fired. His contract expired.

  66. Death By Misadventure says:

    ArmchairGM: I can’t wait to watch them progess in Bakersfield next year – hopefully they’re paired up for maximum viewing pleasure.

    If all of these D prospects are to over rippen in Bakersfield, it could be a challenge to manage their minutes. Someone may get the development short end of the stick.

  67. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    godot10: Nelson wasn’t fired.His contract expired.

    – I knew someone was going to point that out. Nor was MacT fired as GM for that matter if the semantics matter more to you than than the reality. Nelson was the head coach and was not hired as head coach the year after. Technically not fired, but passed over, chose not to accept worse job, and was hireable elsewhere. (MacT is not)

    – When coaches contracts expire (which is rarely the case), and they aren’t re-upped, you can call it what you want, but they were not welcome. It’s the timing of the dismissal that constitutes a firing

  68. ArmchairGM says:

    https://www.tsn.ca/podkolzin-plummets-in-tsn-hockey-s-mock-draft-3-0-1.1296254

    Too bad Craig Button is always so far off when predicting draft picks – it would be amazing to have a choice between Zegras, Turcotte and Krebs.

  69. ArmchairGM says:

    LT, every time I post a comment I get knocked off and have to log back in.

  70. bwar says:

    Death By Misadventure: If all of these D prospects are to over rippen in Bakersfield, it could be a challenge to manage their minutes. Someone may get the development short end of the stick.

    It’s going to be real interesting in Bakersfield next season. Say the Oilers decide the current defense in Edmonton is fine that leaves Jones, Lagesson, Bear, Stanton, Lowe, Day, Kulevich, Bouchard, Persson, Samorukov, Manning all trying to earn ice time in the AHL. I don’t think Stanton, Kulevich and Day have contracts for next season so maybe all three end up walking just in an attempt to make enough room for everyone else. Does that mean Persson gets loaned back to Sweden and then walks away from the Oiler’s next summer? Does it force some trades to thin down the herd in hopes we can acquire some assets? It’s a very interesting summer for all of our defensive prospects.

  71. ArmchairGM says:

    Death By Misadventure: If all of these D prospects are to over rippen in Bakersfield, it could be a challenge to manage their minutes. Someone may get the development short end of the stick.

    I think one of Jones or Lagesson will make the big team out of camp next year.

    That leaves (say) Lagesson – Persson / Lowe – Bear / Samorukov – Bouchard to man the blueline in Bakersfield. PP time would be at a premium, but the coach could pretty much roll the lines here at even strength.

  72. Professor Q says:

    I know this might be a bit touchy due to the subject matter, but the The Athletic interview article with Connor’s Mom sort of painted him as the spoiled brat of the family who needed to let have his way and always be 1st place (even if he wasn’t,they would tell him he won etc.), or he’d throw a fit and never do that activity again (although she also seems like a more compassionate Tiger Mom/Momma Bear). His poor brother, lol.

    And still has moments like that, even as a Captain in the NHL, behind the scenes.

    Hopefully Holland gets him a Cup, ASAP, and he stays forever.

  73. barry.moore23 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    LT, every time I post a comment I get knocked off and have to log back in.

    I see you haven’t gotten the message 🙂

    haha totally kidding – couldn’t pass it up.

  74. pts2pndr says:

    Death By Misadventure:
    LT said: Dmitri Samorukov might be the best prospect in the system.

    LT, I almost always agree with your measured and reasonable approach to things, but for someone that uses math as their central guide, this is a bridge too far. I think you’re letting a nice playoff run cloud your judgement.

    Evan Bouchard is a far better prospect.

    I would side with LT on this. Samorukov is a plus skater and plays a more aggressive brand of D. Something the numbers don’t show. They could very well make a dynamic one two punch first pairing in the near future ( 2 – 3 years ).

  75. Death By Misadventure says:

    Jaxon:
    By the Numbers, I’m wary of Zegras, Boldy, Dach, and Krebs, less so on Caufield but still concerned about TOI on that US National Development Team. I’d rather pick Kakko than Hughes, too. If Byram, Turcotte, and Cozens are gone and Zegras, Boldy, Dach, and Krebs are still available, I hope they trade down to the 13-18 range and pick someone like Tomasino, Kaliyev, Lavoie, or Seider. By the numbers (high 5v5 primary points/60 and TOI), size, and scouting reports (high IQ, high energy, fast and agile, skilled, and hard working), I think Tomasino may be the best player in the draft and could be a perfect compliment to McDavid or Draisaitl. Outside Cozens, Turcotte, Byram, Kakko, and Hughes, he may be the BPA. That said, no list has him above #14, so trading down to 14 could get what I suspect may be the 6th best player in the draft. Trading down could also get them another asset by way of pick, prospect, player, or even salary dump.

    I think you’re starting to sell me on Tomasino. He could be someone worth trading up for if for whatever reason he slides.

    One other thing about him is that he’s a July 28, 2001 birthday, which makes him one of the younger players in this draft. As a comparison Raphael Lavoie is a September 25, 2000 birthday. So Tomasino is 10 months younger.

    His 34 goals are also noteworthy for such a young player.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    “Samorukov’s 28 points (10-18–28) are the most by a defenceman in the OHL Playoffs since Windsor’s Ryan Ellis (3-30–33) in 2010.”

    Lets recall how prolific a scorer Ellis was in the OHL – the numbers he produced haven’t been seen until Evan Bouchard.

    And Samorukov is a defence first guy…… or, at least he was.

    Such amazing arrows.

  77. Death By Misadventure says:

    pts2pndr: I would side with LT on this. Samorukov is a plus skater and plays a more aggressive brand of D. Something the numbers don’t show. They could very well make a dynamic one two punch first pairing in the near future ( 2 – 3 years ).

    I respect your opinion and will die for your right to express it, but you are wrong 🙂

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp:
    I finally started playing around with the Armchair-GM tool at CapFriendly. Nice interface for keeping track of things.

    My first crack at a reasonable 19-20 Oilers team:
    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Brown-Nuge-Donskoi
    Benson-Marody-Puljujarvi
    Khaira-Sutter-Chiasson
    Gagner-Cave

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Stralman
    Sekera-Jones
    Persson

    Koskinen-Elliott

    Trades:
    Lucic, 2019 2nd, 2020 2nd for Brandon Sutter (2 yrs at 4.375M)
    Russell to Van? for a 5th
    Benning for Connor Brown

    RFA signings:
    Puljujarvi 2X1.25M
    Khaira 2X1.1M
    Gambardella 2X0.725M

    UFA signings:
    Stralman 2X4.5M
    Donskoi 5X3.5M
    Elliott 2X2.5M
    Chiasson 2X1.5M

    Brodziak and Manning burried. Gambardella, Currie and the young defenders in Bakersfield for depth.

    The 4th line could be the 3rd line if the kids aren’t up to the task.

    About 1.5M in cap space remains open.

    Relatively reasonable, and should be a somewhat improved team from this season.

    This was one hell of an amazing post!

    This is almost the exact type of reasonable off-season I would like to see and the amounts on your signings make sense and are in line with what I have posited.

    You have targeted Stralman and Elliot, my two targets, at the exact contract terms I have thrown out.

    You have disposed of Russell for cap space which is my primary off-season cap saver (just not sure Lucic will happen reasonably).

    The Lucic trade makes sense – do we need to give up 2 picks though considering we take back a boat anchor contract? Maybe because of the 2 less years of term?

    Of course, the one main issue is I don’t see Stralman signing in Edmonton unless he gets an overpay in term or AAV and this org isn’t in a position to do either.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oil2Oilers: I your opinion how could/should Samorukov best be supported in order for him to achieve his ceiling?

    I guess what I am asking is what are his faults, or what he need to work on to take the next step? Or is just a matter of time and seasoning?

    I am looking forward to watching him in the Memorial Cup.

    I’ve only watched him about 6-7 times this year (outside the World Juniors) – so I’m not in a position to opine as much as I am on the AHL guys but I would say his major issues are decision making in the defensive zone and consistency.

    I think the key is simply to not rush him and give him the proper support in the AHL. I wouldn’t start him with Bouchard this coming year, two rookies, but play him on the 2nd or 3rd pairing with either Jones or Bear (would prefer a “veteran” like Lowe or Stanton but we don’t have one for the right side).

    Give him solid minutes and maybe some PP2 time. Ease him in. Work him on to the PK.

  80. chrisco stu says:

    YKOil,

    I wonder if they could move Nurse to Colorado for the Ottawa pick, and Lucic plus the eighth for their sixteenth overall? That would make them pretty sand papery for next years playoffs.

  81. OriginalPouzar says:

    stush18:
    jp,

    I think you’ve likely went a little light on your free agent signings. You’ve went shorter term (smart), but that usually drives up the price.

    Also, Philly traded for Talbot because they didn’t trust Elliot. Talbot was awful while here, so I can’t see Elliott as an improvement.

    At that point you might as well just go with Stolarz.

    This isn’t true – in the last 25 games of the season (which I chose to line up apx with the trade deadline), Elliot split the net with Hart – 12 games to 13 games and Talbot played 4 games.

  82. bendelson says:

    Hmm…
    I now have to login every time I refresh the page – never mind actually posting something.
    Is this the new normal around these parts?

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    bwar:
    I loved Evan Polei in juniors and was happy when I heard he had entered the Oilers famr system.I always wonder how players like Polei get a chance to make the jump from AHL 3rd/4th line to NHL 4th line.He’s a high energy physical player who somehow finds a way to contribute.I’d like to know what the gap is between a player like Polei and players like Colby Cave, Kyle Brodziak, Ty Rattie when put exclusively in a fourth line role.I hope Polei gets an NHL deal from someone next season.

    Polei has been great for the Condors in his role. He plays in perfectly and makes a difference out there.

    I do believe he’s earned an NHL contract but, oh man, playing NHL games is an entire different conversation.

    Do bottom 6 grinder in the AHL play in the NHL?

    I thought middle 6 AHL players that can produce at the AHL level become NHL 4th line grinders????

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Shit: I see who I just responded to – a person I refuse to associate with and I will never converse with on purpose. My mistake. Won’t happen again.

  85. Bag of Pucks says:

    bendelson:
    Hmm…
    I now have to login every time I refresh the page – never mind actually posting something.
    Is this the new normal around these parts?

    It’s the same for me. The bad news is it’s not a great user experience. The good news is it’s helping me to reduce the severity of my Lowetide addiction.

  86. McSorley33 says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Both Cosentino and Wheeler have Dach at #8. How cool would that be?

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sportsnets-2019-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-may/

    https://theathletic.com/947751/2019/05/06/wheeler-final-ranking-for-the-2019-nhl-drafts-top-100-prospects/
    ********************************************************************************
    Saw that….but I am not buying anyone taking the Russian kid Podkolzin in top
    7….

    Would love to be wrong and the Oilers to benefit from the fall.

    I stated long before it became the cool thing to do POD will fall at the draft.

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Death By Misadventure: Haha I’ve seen only a few episodes but I think your assessment is bang on. I didn’t want to get into a mathy pissing much so decided to keep things short.

    Look, my thinking in regards to the Samorukov vs Bouchard is that Samorukov is having a nice playoff run and that’s fantastic to see but that’s still a small sample size. Or at least a smaller sample in which Bouchard has put up his gaudy numbers in. So as much as I don’t dispute that Samorukov is becoming a prospect of note, he simply lags in mind behind Bouchard due to draft pedigree and duration in which a high level of performance has been sustained.

    Hence, at this time, I don’t see why Samorukov is a more substantial prospect than Bouchard.

    Your mileage may very and I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

    Samorukov isn’t a more substantial prospect than Bouchard but he has a broader skill set, essentially “all the tools” to become a legit #1. Bouchard doesn’t have all the tools. At the same time, Samorukov is unlikely to fully develop to that level and Bouchard is a much more likely candidate for 500 NHL games (and in the top 4).

  88. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Shit: I see who I just responded to – a person I refuse to associate with and I will never converse with on purpose.My mistake.Won’t happen again.

    No idea what you’re on about. Why even post this?

  89. bwar says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar:
    Shit: I see who I just responded to – a person I refuse to associate with and I will never converse with on purpose.My mistake.Won’t happen again.

    How on earth did I get on OP’s bad side? Whatever I did I’m sorry!

  90. Darth Tu says:

    Just checked back in with the Canada game. Canada won 6-5, Stone scored the GWG with less than 2 seconds remaining in regulation. Talk about leaving it late.

  91. theDjdj says:

    Professor Q:
    I know this might be a bit touchy due to the subject matter, but the The Athletic interview article with Connor’s Mom sort of painted him as the spoiled brat of the family who needed to let have his way and always be 1st place (even if he wasn’t,they would tell him he won etc.), or he’d throw a fit and never do that activity again. His poor brother, lol.

    And still has moments like that, even as a Captain in the NHL, behind the scenes.

    Hopefully Holland gets him a Cup, ASAP, and he stays forever.

    Kids can be brats if you let them. That’s where parenting steps in. The McDavids seems good family and Connor a well balance kid. I’d caution against extrapolating behaviour as 6 yo and assuming it’s a part of Connors adult personality.

    One thing that you can safely assume though is he’s a fierce competitor.

  92. meanashell11 says:

    Death By Misadventure: Thank You but I have to admit I frequently lie to my children. Mostly about vegetables.

    For me it’s the bay leaf.

    When they would find it in the sauce I would yell out “You got the special bay leaf!”

    For years they thought that was the best thing ever. Until they found out it is just a larger herb you are not supposed to eat!

    It still makes everyone laugh at the table when one of them pulls out the bay leaf!

  93. bendelson says:

    Bag of Pucks: It’s the same for me. The bad news is it’s not a great user experience. The good news is it’s helping me to reduce the severity of my Lowetide addiction.

    I will always love this blog, but in its current state, I’m not certain I remain IN love with this blog…

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sekera played almost 25 min today against Canada – almost 5 min more than any other Slovak.

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    bwar:
    OriginalPouzar,

    How on earth did I get on OP’s bad side?Whatever I did I’m sorry!

    Unless this isn’t who I think it is – from Copper n’ Blue?

  96. bwar says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    As far as I know that’s the only other site I know you from. Just don’t ever remember having any issues with you before. I always appreciate reading your insights, especially on the prospects. If I ever crossed the line on anything my bad and I guess I will just try to keep my car in my own lane.

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp:
    Ulfstroem,

    Not bad at all, though I wouldn’t want to give up Puljujarvi for 1 year of Faulk. I’d rather struggle through with Sekera/Russell for another year personally.

    Taking aside the acquisition cost (i.e. not commenting on Jesse in the trade), I would be interested in Faulk for the one-year left on his contract but have zero desire to sign him to his UFA contract – none. In that regard, it would be a one-year rental and the assets I’d be willing to give up for a one-year rental is less than what Carolina would want.

    Same thing with Spurgeon – and he’d be the much preferred target as well.

  98. Bag of Pucks says:

    bwar:

    Whatever I did I’m sorry!

    I’ll take “Things Clint Eastwood would never say” for $500, Alex.

  99. jp says:

    bendelson:
    Hmm…
    I now have to login every time I refresh the page – never mind actually posting something.
    Is this the new normal around these parts?

    It’s been happening for me on every refresh for a few weeks now, on multiple devices. I can’t even get to new blog posts until someone else posts and I can link directly from the old post.

    I’ll go log myself back in now.

  100. digger50 says:

    “It goes like this: Dmitri Samorukov might be the best prospect in the system. It isn’t a certainty, but his season has been so impressive we have to begin the conversation.”

    1. I think the conversation then becomes: If he is the best prospect, when will he arrive?

    2. And when he arrives, just who is leaving the main club?
    And if someone leaving may or may not have a bad back that was eroding his game, could this person bring in a scoring winger?

    3. And if Samorukov is the best prospect, who is the second best prospect that could be traded to bring in a scoring winger?

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    Alpine:
    I think a good way to dispose of Lucic’s contract is to use a third team to help retain salary. Vegas did this when Ottawa traded Brassard.

    I would suggest sending Lucic to Ottawa and having them retain salary and then trading him somewhere where he would waive his NMC.

    It becomes tricky if both Edmonton and Ottawa retain salary because then we would be at the max of teams that can retain salary on one contract. But doing that makes it more palatable for the team actually acquiring Lucic.

    Alas, it’s harder for that team to move Lucic down the road because two teams are already retaining salary. At that point I guess the acquiring team better hope for a compliance buyout option or that Lucic doesn’t regress beyond not being an NHLer anymore.

    Yes, this is along the lines of what I have been suggesting:

    Oilers trade Lucic with $3M retained and a 4th rounder to Team B for a 6th rounder.

    Team B trades Lucic with $1.5M retained to Team C.

    Ultimately, teams are on the hook for the following cap hits:

    EDM – $3M
    TEAM B – $1.5M
    TEAM C – $1.5M

    The inability to retain in a future trade would be a non-issue given that slice is for only $1.5M

    Team B gets the small draft pick sweetener to retain that $1.5M (plus the asset from Team C in the trade).

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    Death By Misadventure: If all of these D prospects are to over rippen in Bakersfield, it could be a challenge to manage their minutes. Someone may get the development short end of the stick.

    From a high level, that seems like a potential issue except for the fact that we know NHL teams generally use 10 plus d-men in a year – all of Lagesson, Jones and Bear will get their NHL reps.

    The organization needs to ensure they get a look at all three as each of them lose their waiver exempt status heading in to next season.

    With that said, there is likely room for all/most of them.

    The following is assuming no actual acquisition and a disposition of Russell. I would think there would be a D added if Russell is traded but who knows what can be done so I’m just going with those currently in the org:

    Klefbom/Larsson
    Nurse/Sekera
    Joes/Benning

    Persson

    (Russell’s cap space used on a Nyquist type signing). Yes, Sekera at 2RD is a risk but I’m just going with current personnel for now (and I do think he’ll be just as good as Russell in that spot and would have a calming effect on Nurse).

    Lagesson/Bear
    Lowe (Sammy)/Bouchard
    Samorukov (Lowe)/Day

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    bwar: It’s going to be real interesting in Bakersfield next season.Say the Oilers decide the current defense in Edmonton is fine that leaves Jones, Lagesson, Bear, Stanton, Lowe, Day, Kulevich, Bouchard, Persson, Samorukov, Manning all trying to earn ice time in the AHL.I don’t think Stanton, Kulevich and Day have contracts for next season so maybe all three end up walking just in an attempt to make enough room for everyone else.Does that mean Persson gets loaned back to Sweden and then walks away from the Oiler’s next summer?Does it force some trades to thin down the herd in hopes we can acquire some assets?It’s a very interesting summer for all of our defensive prospects.

    I would really like to have Stanton back for next year given how great he and Lowe are for the youngsters but, as of now, there is no room for him. Kulevich has had a nice season, I do like him, but he’s not a real prospect and he will be let go I would think.

    Logan Day is the risk – he deserves an NHL contract but I’m not positive there is room. Its not the end of the world as he is a huge distant bell for the NHL but he’s a nice AHL player and cover for injury.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    Also, there are no roster limits in the AHL so they could just keep Manning and keep not playing him like they do now but I would think the NHLPA wouldn’t like that so much.

    This may be the one player to buy out but I think he’s tradeable if we retain $1M (which is essentially a net-even from burying him – and we lost the contract on the 50).

  105. norm_klassen says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    A Oilers season is just Sekera s world cup training camp😁

  106. norm_klassen says:

    Sekera in mid season form

    OriginalPouzar:
    Sekera played almost 25 min today against Canada – almost 5 min more than any other Slovak.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    bwar:
    OriginalPouzar,

    As far as I know that’s the only other site I know you from.Just don’t ever remember having any issues with you before.I always appreciate reading your insights, especially on the prospects.If I ever crossed the line on anything my bad and I guess I will just try to keep my car in my own lane.

    Do you blog for the Copper n’ Blue? If not, I’ve totally got you mixed up with someone else and I greatly apologize. I’d be happy though as I really enjoy your posts and agree with much of what you have to say (my issue with the person is personal – nothing to do with the Oilers).

  108. Professor Q says:

    theDjdj: Kids can be brats if you let them. That’s where parenting steps in. The McDavids seems good family and Connor a well balance kid. I’d caution against extrapolating behaviour as 6 yo and assuming it’s a part of Connors adult personality.

    One thing that you can safely assume though is he’s a fierce competitor.

    Oh true, definitely. I guess more so his mom being a Tiger Mom was the highlight of that (the 6 year old charts planning out his days and career, not making him give up on a race due to being sick, etc.)

    And even flying over the same day to yell at Bob Nicholson!

  109. Lowetide says:

    GDT is up

  110. Dr. Taboggan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Shit: I see who I just responded to – a person I refuse to associate with and I will never converse with on purpose.My mistake.Won’t happen again.

    A spam warning would be great.

  111. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q:
    I know this might be a bit touchy due to the subject matter, but the The Athletic interview article with Connor’s Mom sort of painted him as the spoiled brat of the family who needed to let have his way and always be 1st place (even if he wasn’t,they would tell him he won etc.), or he’d throw a fit and never do that activity again (although she also seems like a more compassionate Tiger Mom/Momma Bear). His poor brother, lol.

    And still has moments like that, even as a Captain in the NHL, behind the scenes.

    Hopefully Holland gets him a Cup, ASAP, and he stays forever.

    One thing Holland has in his bag of tricks is managing elite players. He had as many as 4 at one time in Yzerman Datsyuk Zetterberg and Lidstrom. Datsyuk from an interview from Babcock needed a lot of ‘hands on’. They all stayed, winning of course helped, but they had some disappointments, courtesy of the oilers a few times

    He also helmed Yzerman becoming a responsible 2 way player as one of the league’s most offensive forwards. I’m sure getting Connor settled will be job #1, I’m sure Connor was the biggest draw for Holland, the once a generation player is a great place to start from.

  112. Scungilli Slushy says:

    digger50:
    “It goes like this: Dmitri Samorukov might be the best prospect in the system. It isn’t a certainty, but his season has been so impressive we have to begin the conversation.”

    1.I think the conversation then becomes: If he is the best prospect, when will he arrive?

    2. And when he arrives, just who is leaving the main club?
    And if someone leaving may or may not have a bad back that was eroding his game, could this person bring in a scoring winger?

    3. And if Samorukov is the best prospect, who is the second best prospect that could be traded to bring in a scoring winger?

    Sam amd Bouchard are the 2 best D prospects in the system. One is LD one RD. As WG says you don’t deal off or the top of the deck.

    You trade Bear Jones Lagesson Persson first. Once the GM has a take on the players and assesses who is best long run.

  113. russ99 says:

    I like the idea of hiring Tippett. We still have the youngest roster in the league and need structure and more team play within our systems, especially after players spit the bit under Hitchcock with all those practices from the press box.

    I also hope Holland sticks to his guns with prospect promotion, Chiarelli promoted players for need before they were ready the last two years, we need NHL additions, not more kids.

    At worst, a prospect or two forces his way onto the team or pushes up from a reserve role after a few months, and we can make a mid-season trade from a position of strength for once.

  114. Oil2Oilers says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Thanks for your reply. Agreed an old pro, if available, would be an ideal mentor next year in the AHL. Mind you developing chemistry with Bouchard might have some long term benefits.

  115. Old Timer says:

    I would much prefer Todd Nelson rather than Dave Tippett as the Oilers next coach. For some reason, I believe Nelson will bring more to the table in the long run.

    Watching Parayko play this playoff, I am far more impressed with his shot than his hockey IQ. He seems to make some very bad reads/plays.

    Would love to see the Oilers get some value for Lucic in a trade. This may be difficult but perhaps not impossible. Heavy, physical teams seem to be doing quite well again this year in the playoffs as did the Capitals last year…..

  116. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    bendelson:
    Hmm…
    I now have to login every time I refresh the page – never mind actually posting something.
    Is this the new normal around these parts?

    This happened to me a few weeks ago. Very frustrating. Only was happening on my phone. No problems when using my computer. Stopped happening after a couple days (and 2-3 articles later)

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    Old Timer:

    Would love to see the Oilers get some value for Lucic in a trade. This may be difficult but perhaps not impossible. Heavy, physical teams seem to be doing quite well again this year in the playoffs as did the Capitals last year…..

    Value back as in a positive asset back as opposed to having to add a material asset, retain and/or take back a negative asset?

  118. bwar says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Seeing Day play forward on occasion, make me wonder if the plan is to try and convert him just to keep him as an Oiler.

    I do not blog for Copper n Blue. I’m happy staying in the comments section.

  119. digger50 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Sam amd Bouchard are the 2 best D prospects in the system. One is LD one RD. As WG says you don’t deal off or the top of the deck.

    You trade Bear Jones Lagesson Persson first. Once the GM has a takeon the players and assesses who is best long run.

    ThAt might be the outcome – the point being, the conversation has to happen.

    And something has to give. That scoring winger is not coming for free.

Leave a Reply

Want to join the discussion?
Feel free to contribute!
© Copyright - Lowetide.ca