Preview of Coming Attractions: Expect Mike Comrie

So, Scott Cullen is smart fellow I met along the way, and he’s delivered a lot of knowledge to the collective. One of his contributions is “NHL draft pick values” and it provides us with reasonable expectations of the coming draft. Edmonton picks No. 8 overall, what does history tell us to expect? Mike Comrie.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: What kind of coach should Ken Holland hire for the Oilers?
  • New Jonathan Willis: Every Oilers AHL prospect, rated by how close they are to the NHL
  • New Jonathan Willis: A resurgent Andrej Sekera gives the Oilers much-needed defensive options
  • New Lowetide: Is Joe Gambardella destined to become the Oilers’ next Fernando Pisani?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers goalie prospect Stuart Skinner stars as the Condors stay alive in the AHL playoffs.
  • Lowetide: How the U18’s increased the draft pool and gifted the Edmonton Oilers with multiple options at the 2019 draft
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.
  • Jonathan Willis: Which Condors made a good first impression on Oilers GM Ken Holland?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland steadfast that buck stops with him as new Oilers GM.
  • Eric Duhatschek: Why any talk of Ken Holland being yesterday’s man should be put to rest.
  • Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • Jonathan Willis: What does the arrival of Ken Holland mean for the Oilers coaching search?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s Bakersfield production line: Elevating Jones and how long will success take?
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.
  • Lowetide: Dylan Cozens might be ideal fit for Oilers at No. 8 overall in the 2019 draft
  • New Lowetide: Is this the season the Oilers take the plunge and draft a USHL player in the first round?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ten prospects likely to be available when the Oilers make their first-round pick

CULLEN’S DRAFT PICK VALUE

10 – Generational
9 – Elite Player
8 – First Line, Top Pair D
7 – Top Six Forward, Top Four D
6 – Top Nine Forward, Top Six D
5 – NHL Regular, 350+ NHL games
4 – Fringe NHLer, 200+ NHL games
3 – Very Good Minor Leaguer, 50-200 NHL games
2 – Minor Leaguer, under 50 NHL games
1 – 10 or fewer NHL games

Scott Cullen’s draft values from 2018 are here, and allow us to establish what reasonable looks like. This year’s top 10 is good, so the Oilers may well get a better prospect. This study of Cullen’s looks back, and the information provided is valuable.

First Round—No. 8 overall—(NHL regular) Mike Comrie
Second Round—No. 38 overall—(Very good minor leaguer, 50-200 NHL games) Jujhar Khaira
Third Round—No. 85 overall—(Minor leaguer, under 50 games) Teemu
Hartikainen
Fourth Round—No. 100 overall—(Minor leaguer, under 50 games) Selmar Odelein
Sixth Round—No. 162 overall—(Minor leaguer, under 50 games) Dwight Helminen
Seventh Round—No. 193 overall—(Minor leaguer, under 50 games) Alex Plante

2019 TOUCH LIST

I’m going to post five names per league every day this week, today is the WHL. The following players are outside the Central Scouting Top 150 NA list, the top 10 NA goalie list, the top 75 Euro list and the top 10 Euro goalie list. They may not be drafted but there’s something about them worth mentioning.

LC Logan Barlage scored 68, 15-24-39 in 2018-19. He is a big player already (6.04, 201, he’s a January 2001) and his strength is key to his winning battles. Excellent passer, awkward skater, skill is his main calling card.

L Dillon Hamaliuk. He posted promising numbers (31, 11-15-26) before losing his season to injury. Strong, great forechecker and he has skill. Plays a physical style. I have him inside my top 100.

R Martin Lang. He scored 65, 11-23-34 this year, and 5, 3-1-4 at the U18’s. I have him inside my top 100 for the season, he has a plus shot and might be a steal in the fourth round. Lang is the youngest player in this year’s draft.

G Dustin Wolf. He is small for the modern goalie (6.00) but my goodness can he stop pucks. In his last two seasons his SP’s are .928 (21 games) and .936 (61 games). He is quality.

G Roddy Ross. Another goalie, he has played just one WHL season despite being a 2000. His SP (.919) is quality, and he moved up from the AJHL (.920 with Camrose Kodiaks) to get it done. He’s a pencil (6.04, 174).

I have 16 WHL kids in my top 100, 16 from the OHL. The big difference? Four dub kids in the top 10, one from the OHL.

RALPH KRUEGER

A lot of people are trumpeting this hiring and there’s no doubt RK has a giant brain. Betting on those types, people smarter than you, is a good idea. The most difficult possibility you face in hiring smart people is losing them when they step into another role you can’t offer.

One thing I don’t agree with: Strong opinions on Ralph’s record, one way or another. We didn’t see enough of him to draw a conclusion. In my opinion.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun morning at TSN1260, beginning at 10. Scheduled to appear: Bruce McCurdy, who will chat about Holland’s way forward, what the new coach should have as strengths, and the defense (specifically Kris Russell). Jon Campbell from OddsShark will chat Preakness, Bruins and Warriors. Finally, Micah Adams from NBA.com will preview Raptors/Bucks. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. geowal says:

    Best of luck to Krueger at turning the sabres around.

  2. BONE207 says:

    I always thought Ralph would be better suited to a GM role. If he has a giant brain then he could use it in a broader theater as opposed to limiting him to just the team.

  3. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – It’s interesting that Ralph took a job as a coach

    – I think he’s better suited as a POHO. I know players well who he coached.

    – So it’s not fair for me to comment. Ideally his time in management in soccer and the International Hockey tourney where he was awesome have given him the opportunity to acquire more tools to succeed long term as coach.

    * it is an inspired hire though: really hope it works out. It’s not the conventional rehash, and Ralph really has managerial skills that are totally out of the box compared to every head-coach hire. Ralph incorporates best-practice real-world management principles into sport. He’s miles ahead of the conventions held by the NHL coaching community

  4. Ben says:

    Saskatchewan Soothsayer Ron Pederson puts Tippett at 50/50. Wonder if those odds change now that Buffalo’s left the table. I’m fine with him or Nelson.

    Knowing a bit about how Holland operates, I would be utterly shocked if #8 is in play at this point–other than maybe trading up or down a couple of spots.

    Also, I was one of the early poop-talkers about the Holland hiring, and I still don’t feel it was close to the best move available. That said, I think we’ll all be floored at how impressive even mediocrity will seem after the past few years.

  5. Jaxon says:

    Barlage is from Humboldt and absolutely dominated Saskatchewan Bantam AA hockey, scoring 4.17 pts/gp while the next highest player in the league was his teammate at 2.89, and the next non-teammate was at 2.70 pts/gp. He went 4th overall in the WHL draft. The only player to score at a higher pace in that league in the past 20 years was Jaden Schwartz. I believe my brother played with his dad in Humboldt midget AA, and I played against his uncle in minor hockey.

  6. Jaxon says:

    Ben:
    Saskatchewan Soothsayer Ron Pederson puts Tippett at 50/50. Wonder if those odds change now that Buffalo’s left the table. I’m fine with him or Nelson.

    Knowing a bit about how Holland operates, I would be utterly shocked if #8 is in play at this point–other than maybe trading up or down a couple of spots.

    Also, I was one of the early poop-talkers about the Holland hiring, and I still don’t feel it was close to the best move available. That said, I think we’ll all be floored at how impressive even mediocrity will seem after the past few years.

    Holland traded the first round pick in Detroit in 10 out of 16 years from 1997 to 2012. Only 6 1st round picks in 16 years. Yikes. I wouldn’t be so sure he’ll keep it.

  7. Ben says:

    Jaxon: Holland traded the first round pick in Detroit in 10 out of 16 years from 1997 to 2012. Only 6 1st round picks in 16 years. Yikes. I wouldn’t be so sure he’ll keep it.

    Suspect he’ll do the same if ever the team is within a country mile of contention. Would be shocked if he does it now.

  8. Tarkus says:

    Jaxon,

    Two Oiler connections for Barlage:

    A) Was dealt by then-Swifty GM (now Oilers associate coach) Manny Viveiros, along with a slew of other prospects, for:

    2) Oilers prospect Stuart Skinner (+ 2 others)

  9. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jaxon: Holland traded the first round pick in Detroit in 10 out of 16 years from 1997 to 2012. Only 6 1st round picks in 16 years. Yikes. I wouldn’t be so sure he’ll keep it.

    – To be fair, those were mostly really low draft picks while he was trying to keep on winning

  10. Jaxon says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – To be fair, those were mostly really low draft picks while he was trying to keep on winning

    Absolutely.

  11. Andy Dufresne says:

    Jaxon: Holland traded the first round pick in Detroit in 10 out of 16 years from 1997 to 2012. Only 6 1st round picks in 16 years. Yikes. I wouldn’t be so sure he’ll keep it.

    Interesting fact.

    I assume 1) they were mostly late round picks 2) that he may have traded either up or down and 3) his teams were in contention and positioning for a cup run.

    But still an interesting fact.

  12. SwedishPoster says:

    Think Martin Lang is a very smart late rounder. As you mentioned late birthday. Rookie in the WHL, but not just that, he came from playing at quite a low level the season before as he played in the czech U18 league so not even their u20. That’s a big step up in competition and with that in mind his numbers are pretty solid. That’s the type of guy you place your late round bets on.

  13. chrisco stu says:

    I floated this the other day, as far as making imaginary trades goes do you think the Avalanche would trade the 4th and sixteenth for Nurse, the eighth, and Lucic with minimal retention? Is that good value for both sides?

  14. dustrock says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Kinger – I guess you have started to comment on this.

    What’s the read on Krueger from players who were coached by him?

    You seem to imply he is better as a manager.

  15. Dr. Taboggan says:

    chrisco stu,

    It makes the Oilers a lot worse in the short term. I also do not think the avs make that trade.

  16. Andy Dufresne says:

    A question on yesterdays “buyout Sekera” conversations (which was well debated on all sides).

    The one small point that was left out was, What about moving Sekera at the trade deadline?

    Assuming he stays healthy until then, his trade value would be at its highest then based on proven health and top 4 skill set. AND hes not a pure rental, which many GMs seem to be moving away from. He would be in that sweet spot, where he’s not a rental but not a long term contract either.

    It could be argued that this doesnt help our cap situation this year (2019) but I would argue it has the following potential benefit:

    1) Unloads Sekera and $5.5 million in cap space (for 2020) while he still has value
    2) Buys you half a season to see how Jones, Persson, Bouchard, Lagesson are performing
    3) Provides the new GM a grace period to assess his current roster and also provides the “option” to pick up someone at the deadline once he’s seen where his most glaring needs are

    The GM would have to manage the fan bases perception of being “sellers” at the deadline, but reallistically the benefits to the teams future far outway any perceived short term pain.

  17. Darth Tu says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    A question on yesterdays “buyout Sekera” conversations (which was well debated on all sides).

    The one small point that was left out was, What about moving Sekera at the trade deadline?

    Assuming he stays healthy until then, his trade value would be at its highest then based on proven health and top 4 skill set. AND hes not a pure rental, which many GMs seem to be moving away from. He would be in that sweet spot, where he’s not a rental but not a long term contract either.

    It could be argued that this doesnt help our cap situation this year (2019) but I would argue it has the following potential benefit:

    1) Unloads Sekera and $5.5million in cap space (for 2020) while he still has value
    2) Buys you half a season to see how Jones, Persson, Bouchard, Lagesson are performing
    3) Provides the new GM a grace period to assess his current roster and also provides the “option” to pick up someone at the deadline once he’s seen where his most glaring needs are

    The GM would have to manage the fan bases perception of being “sellers” at the deadline, but reallistically the benefits to the teams future far outway any perceived short term pain.

    I missed this debate yesterday. My view on this part of it – if the Oilers are out of contention and viewed as sellers at the deadline, trading Sekera would be a good move. If we’re still pushing for playoffs (and it’s not completely unrealistic like the end of last season) then I’d say keep him.

    Making the playoffs even for 1 or 2 rounds is more valuable for the team in terms of experience than selling and tanking. Obvious downside is the Oilers lose him for nothing in the summer, but with the upside of gaining valuable cap space.

    I’m more in the trade Russell camp, whether that’s now, or if there’s no better option at 2RHD, at the trade deadline for whatever we can get.

  18. Andy Dufresne says:

    Would Jessie Puljujarvi make about the same money playing in Europe next year as he would in the NHL? Im sure he would still have some “Star” appeal in Europe. Would the Oilers still retain his RFA rights? Would this make sense from a Puljujarvi point of view , or would he see it some sort of failure / demotion?

    His options if hes not happy with the Oilers would be

    1) Ask for a trade privately
    2) Ask for a trade publicly
    3) Sign a one year deal and try to get to free agency / force a trade

    His options if he’s nuetral or OK remaining an Oiler are

    1) Sign a one year deal
    2) Sign a two year deal
    3) Agree to play one year in Europe
    4) OTHER??

    If I’m Holland, I would prefer either a 2 year NHL contract or sending him to Europe for one year.

  19. godot10 says:

    chrisco stu:
    I floated this the other day, as far as making imaginary trades goes do you think the Avalanche would trade the 4th and sixteenth for Nurse, the eighth, and Lucic with minimal retention? Is that good value for both sides?

    So no playoffs for the entire duration of McDavid’s Oiler career. If the OIlers trade away a core player like Nurse for magic bean futures, McDavid will ask for a trade.

    The core of the core, McDavid, Draisaitl, Klefbom, Nurse, are baked in if the OIlers are going to do anything for the remainder of McDavid’s contract in Edmonton. Another GM would have to make a blunder to contemplate moving any one of those four.

    The Oilers can get pretty much an equivalent player at #8OV to one at #4OV, except Byram. And there is no reason to pay the price to move up for #4 for Byram. And I love Byram.

    Krebs is the worst case at #8OV. That is a pretty good player. I like him better than most of the Americans.

  20. dulock says:

    I suspect there is no way Ken Holland will trade up on any of his picks that fall pretty much right after the Red Wings (so rounds 1,2,4, etc.) because there is no way he’s going to want to trade up with them or past them and then end up with the worse player. It would pretty much scream that Detroit is better off without him.

  21. McNuge93 says:

    “One thing I don’t agree with: Strong opinions on Ralph’s record, one way or another. We didn’t see enough of him to draw a conclusion. In my opinion. ”

    I agree. I always thought that the view that Ralph was such a good coach and the Oilers would have been so much better was questionable. Obviously he did not get a fair chance and Eakins proved to be a disaster.

    But the thing that really disappointed me about Ralph and our young guns at the time was after a big win in Calgary they were on a five game win streak and actually moved into 8th in the conference near the end of the year. That was the first time in years they had a chance to make the playoffs and looked like they were about to take flight. They promptly lost 9 of the next 10. That is when I began to question the character of our young guys and wondered about the coach too.

  22. Reja says:

    Ben: Suspect he’ll do the same if ever the team is within a country mile of contention. Would be shocked if he does it now.

    If Holland can swing a deal for the first that makes us better why wouldn’t he. If anyone thinks Holland isn’t going to take a run with Mcdavid and Leon in their prime hasn’t been following the playoffs.

  23. godot10 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Would Jessie Puljujarvi make about the same money playing in Europe next year as he would in the NHL? Im sure he would still have some “Star” appeal in Europe. Would the Oilers still retain his RFA rights? Would this make sense from a Puljujarvi point of view , or would he see it some sort of failure / demotion?

    His options if hes not happy with the Oilers would be

    1) Ask for a trade privately
    2) Ask for a trade publicly
    3) Sign a one year deal and try to get to free agency / force a trade

    His options if he’s nuetral or OK remaining an Oiler are

    1) Sign a one year deal
    2) Sign a two year deal
    3) Agree to play one year in Europe
    4) OTHER??

    If I’m Holland, I would prefer either a 2 year NHL contract or sending to Europe for one year.

    Puljujarvi knows that he will not clear waivers. Why would he go to Europe? If I am his agent, I probably recommend that he just sign the QO, which should be just over $1 million, and make him arbitration eligible next summer.

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    As LT mentions, Ralph’s sample size as an NHL head coach is very tiny that maybe it should be completely disregarded. The man seems lauded for the position yet the results (team record, advanced metrics for the team) were poor.

    Great communicator, absolutely. Great motivator, absolutely. Time will tell if he is actually a great head coach.

  25. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    dustrock,

    – Hockey players are for the most part army type conforming guys who have grown up in a system, that get used to patterns, and have codes of conduct: the coaches are all plus or minus the same with different personalities

    – Ralph’s coaching experiences have shaped him differently. Being the coach of teams in Switzerland, where you have looked up to as a smart foreign guy who might be able to help the players get better is a different skill-set and dynamic.

    – But when things go bad, the players at NHL level tune him out quick, because they can: as they don’t buy into his different ways of coaching and communicating other than superficially: NHL players being who they are collectively

    – And Ralph is way smarter and worldly and full of perspective than the players he coaches. So his challenge will be if he is able to adapt when the team faces adversity. He chooses to project more of a Tony Robbins persona. The problem with that is that you can only pump tires and tell people they are great for so long: players all revert to what they know. Tony Robbins has many fans, but many think he is a fraud: do you get what I am saying.

    – So maybe he can re-package all his talents and learn from his previous coaching experiences with the Oil. And if he get’s lucky and the team wins a lot, maybe they can go far to allow them to buy into his best-practices more.

    – But I hope he succeeds: because the practice of hiring “Jimmy who I played with in college, or Billy who was on my staff before, or Tommy, he’s a coaches coach” It really narrows the group of men who end up as head coaches.

    – No way ziltch that ex-hockey players (preferably that played on that team) should form the majority of Hockey Head coach and executive hires. So I cheer for Kruger hard, despite knowing what I know, and understanding why and how he’s viewed by a few players

  26. dustrock says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Thanks, hard to argue with any of this.

  27. anjinsan says:

    Krueger wants to kick some ass in the NHL as a coach.

    He’s going to do it not through a blue collar approach, but through smarts.

    “Well done!” to Buffalo. They got their guy. Better than that, they got their Maestro. Bravo.

    After proving his value as a coach, he’ll move on to a GM and POHO position.

    Once Krueger proves out, MacTavish’s incompetence at management will be on full public display.

  28. ArmchairGM says:

    I think Cullen’s draft values are outdated, to be charitable. Since 2010, the odds of getting a mere “5 – NHL Regular, 350+ NHL games” are in fact quite low. The average for this selection (looking exclusively at forwards) is at least a 7 – Top Six Forward level player. Let’s look at the forwards taken with the 8-10 picks from the last 9 drafts:

    2010
    8) Burmistrov: 4 – Fringe NHLer, 200+ NHL games [Nearly made it to category 5. 348 gp, 37-64-101]
    9) Granlund: 7 – Top Six Forward [477, 94-228-322]

    2011
    8) Couterier: 8 – First Line [might even be 9 – Elite Player if you consider his 2-way play. 578, 134-209-343]

    2013
    9) Horvat: 7 – Top Six Forward [He’s 8 – First Line, but would he be on a better team? He’s getting better every year, so he may justify an “8”. 377, 98-124-222]
    10) Nichushkin: 4 – Fringe NHLer, 200+ NHL games [Injuries this year, may bolt to KHL before he reaches category 5. 223, 23-51-74]

    2014
    8) Nylander: 8 – First Line [Took a step back this year, but back-to-back 61 point campaigns before reaching his 22nd birthday shouldn’t be ignored. 239, 55-107-162]
    9) Ehlers: 8 – First Line [298, 90-109-199]
    10) Ritchie: 5 – NHL Regular, 350+ NHL games [10+ goals, 30 points per 82 looks to be the norm. I’m calling a 5 right now, no reason he won’t get there. 6 is possible. 246, 35-55-90]

    2015
    9) Meier: 7 – Top Six Forward [Breakout, 30 goal season. Would be an 8 on many teams. 193, 54-54-108]
    10) Rantanen: 9 – Elite Player [239, 80-129-209]

    I think we have all these guys surrounded, from here on I’m projecting. Feel free to suggest changes.

    2016
    8) Nylander: 6 – Top Nine Forward [Talented, can’t seem to make the jump. Still, Buffalo is weak at forward, he’ll get every opportunity. 19-3-3-6]
    10) Jost: 6 – Top Nine Forward [Likely to settle in as a 3C, has the potential to go higher though. 141, 24-25-49]

    2017
    8) Mittelstadt: 6 – Top Nine Forward [Made the league full-time in draft+2, seems likely to achieve top-6 status. 83, 13-17-30]
    9) Rasmussen: 5 – NHL Regular [He’s young and in the NHL full-time, so there’s that. I think he tops out at 3C, or category 6, but he’s not there yet. 62, 8-10-18]
    10) Tippett: 6 – Top Nine Forward [Better counting numbers in a harder league than Rasmussen in draft and +1 years, I’m going a little higher on him. There’s a very good chance that he’ll achieve category 7 in 3-4 years. 7, 1-0-1]

    2018
    9) Kravtsov: 7 – Top Six Forward [The sky is the limit for this prospect. He could go to 9 in a heartbeat. Watch this space.]

    So there you have it. Among the 10 players we’ve surrounded there are:

    9 x 1
    8 x 3 (one of these could be at 9)
    7 x 3 (two of these could be at 8)
    6 x 0
    5 x 1 (could become a 6)
    4 x 2 (the 2 Russians, one might reach 5 yet and the other missed by a whisker)

    The mean here is 6.7 but leaning higher, so I think you could say that you can expect the player chosen with the 2019 8th overall pick to become a Top Six Forward in the NHL by the time he’s 22. Many of these guys broke into the league in draft+2 but in a lessor role, so it’s not out of line to think this player could be helping as soon as 18 months from now.

  29. Reja says:

    anjinsan:
    Krueger wants to kick some ass in the NHL as a coach.

    He’s going to do it not through a blue collar approach, but through smarts.

    “Well done!” to Buffalo.They got their guy.Better than that, they got their Maestro.Bravo.

    After proving his value as a coach, he’ll move on to a GM and POHO position.

    Once Krueger proves out, MacTavish’s incompetence at management will be on full public display.

    Krueger is walking into a ready to take-off team. I wouldn’t anoint him the Messiah until he actually wins.

  30. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    A question on yesterdays “buyout Sekera” conversations (which was well debated on all sides).

    The one small point that was left out was, What about moving Sekera at the trade deadline?

    Assuming he stays healthy until then, his trade value would be at its highest then based on proven health and top 4 skill set. AND hes not a pure rental, which many GMs seem to be moving away from. He would be in that sweet spot, where he’s not a rental but not a long term contract either.

    It could be argued that this doesnt help our cap situation this year (2019) but I would argue it has the following potential benefit:

    1) Unloads Sekera and $5.5million in cap space (for 2020) while he still has value
    2) Buys you half a season to see how Jones, Persson, Bouchard, Lagesson are performing
    3) Provides the new GM a grace period to assess his current roster and also provides the “option” to pick up someone at the deadline once he’s seen where his most glaring needs are

    The GM would have to manage the fan bases perception of being “sellers” at the deadline, but reallistically the benefits to the teams future far outway any perceived short term pain.

    Well now. This is an interesting take.

  31. ArmchairGM says:

    godot10: Puljujarvi knows that he will not clear waivers.Why would he go to Europe? If I am his agent, I probably recommend that he just sign the QO, which should be just over $1 million, and make him arbitration eligible next summer.

    $874,125.

  32. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    ArmchairGM,

    – For a few years, I’ve felt the plan was to build and do stuff at trade-deadline. Missing a top-3 D for two seasons running didn’t allow that plan to be executed. If Sek is healthy, you have a good plan

    – I want the new coach and GM to tell me what the plan is. If they tell me that we are growing this year, going to do all we can this off-season to get better that doesn’t lower our ceiling, and try everything reasonable to get into playoffs: I’m in.

    – And I’m not talking Nic after firing the coach then GM and saying “we are still playoffs” and hear that they are working hard but Keith does sweet f-all to make the playoffs other than hope.

  33. mustang says:

    Excellent hire by the Sabres. MacT and the rest of the cronies, bush league tactics screwed this up
    and many many other things. Ralph Kruger will do a great job in Buf

  34. gimme shelter says:

    There was a job opening in Ottawa for POHO but Ralph sooner coach in Buffalo. Imagine that!

  35. barry.moore23 says:

    Who was the guy that came in to help Eakins here one year ? Older guy, may have been a university coach or something. Damn I can’t remember who it was. Anyway, it didn’t work out. Hoped for the best …..

  36. vinotintazo says:

    barry.moore23:
    Who was the guy that came in to help Eakins here one year ? Older guy, may have been a university coach or something. Damn I can’t remember who it was. Anyway, it didn’t work out. Hoped for the best …..

    Craig Ramsey?

  37. defmn says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    dustrock,

    – And Ralph is way smarter and worldly and full of perspective than the players he coaches.So his challenge will be if he is able to adapt when the team faces adversity.He chooses to project more of a Tony Robbins persona.The problem with that is that you can only pump tires and tell people they are great for so long: players all revert to what they know.Tony Robbins has many fans, but many think he is a fraud: do you get what I am saying.

    This is why I have always said that he is more suited to tournament play than the grind that is a regular season.

    “Way smarter and worldly” tends to have a shelf life even shorter than “yells and screams all the time” does.

  38. Aron_S says:

    barry.moore23,

    Ian Herbers is who you’re thinking of.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Herbers

  39. Ben says:

    re Sekera. Easy question: does whatever proposed move improve the team?

    – If buying out, what directly corresponding move will make the team better than it is with Sekera on it.

    – Age might be a concern, but his injuries — though severe — haven’t been of the “cranky old recurring back problem” variety, but have rather been one-offs. So not sure I buy the “buy him out now while you still can” argument.

    – I believe he possesses the one attribute most severely lacking on the back-end: situational awareness. I’d bet he can remain very effective even at 85%, and there no one else on the roster that can offset the loss of this attribute.

    Move him when his skill set is redundant. We might have prospects pushing, but that’s not the case today.

  40. who says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    A question on yesterdays “buyout Sekera” conversations (which was well debated on all sides).

    The one small point that was left out was, What about moving Sekera at the trade deadline?

    Assuming he stays healthy until then, his trade value would be at its highest then based on proven health and top 4 skill set. AND hes not a pure rental, which many GMs seem to be moving away from. He would be in that sweet spot, where he’s not a rental but not a long term contract either.

    It could be argued that this doesnt help our cap situation this year (2019) but I would argue it has the following potential benefit:

    1) Unloads Sekera and $5.5million in cap space (for 2020) while he still has value
    2) Buys you half a season to see how Jones, Persson, Bouchard, Lagesson are performing
    3) Provides the new GM a grace period to assess his current roster and also provides the “option” to pick up someone at the deadline once he’s seen where his most glaring needs are

    The GM would have to manage the fan bases perception of being “sellers” at the deadline, but reallistically the benefits to the teams future far outway any perceived short term pain.

    Couldn’t agree more

  41. JimmyV1965 says:

    chrisco stu:
    I floated this the other day, as far as making imaginary trades goes do you think the Avalanche would trade the 4th and sixteenth for Nurse, the eighth, and Lucic with minimal retention? Is that good value for both sides?

    Avs are desperate for a 2C. They already have Zadorov and Johnson. Not sure they would be looking for Nurse. They’re probably more interested in trading a dman like Barrie.

  42. Ben says:

    Andy Dufresne: What about moving Sekera at the trade deadline?

    That’s a very tough and risky acquisition for a probably-capped-out GM. There’s a reason larger, non-expiring contracts are far more likely to move in the off-season.

  43. PinkSocks says:

    godot10: So no playoffs for the entire duration of McDavid’s Oiler career.If the OIlers trade away a core player like Nurse for magic bean futures, McDavid will ask for a trade.

    The core of the core, McDavid, Draisaitl, Klefbom, Nurse, are baked in if the OIlers are going to do anything for the remainder of McDavid’s contract in Edmonton.Another GM would have to make a blunder to contemplate moving any one of those four.

    The Oilers can get pretty much an equivalent player at #8OV to one at #4OV, except Byram.And there is no reason to pay the price to move up for #4 for Byram.And I love Byram.

    Krebs is the worst case at #8OV.That is a pretty good player.I like him better than most of the Americans.

    #4 + #16 for #8 + Nurse and Lucic? The Avs say no first and foremost, but secondly, that adds two first rounders, (one of Turcotte or Byram is there at #4), plus a #16 (Lavoie/Broberg/Soderstrom), plus $9m+ in cap to replace Nurse and get Lucic out of town. I usually agree with your methodology with improving the team, but if Sakic blunders and takes that deal Holland would be all over it.

  44. PinkSocks says:

    JimmyV1965: Avs are desperate for a 2C.They already have Zadorov and Johnson. Not sure they would be looking for Nurse. They’re probably more interested in trading a dman like Barrie.

    Johnson plays on the right if I’m not mistaken. But I agree, with the Avs sporting Barrie and Makar and Girard next year, one of them will need to be moved. Nurse however would be a nice addition to their D corps.

  45. Oil2Oilers says:

    The Condors exit interviews are inspiring for next year

  46. Jaxon says:

    I see Nurse is getting #1D minutes on the Canadian team. It’s not an elite D, but it still says something that the coaches trust him most of their D corp.

  47. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    dustrock,

    – Hockey players are for the most part army type conforming guys who have grown up in a system, that get used to patterns, and have codes of conduct: the coaches are all plus or minus the same with different personalities

    – Ralph’s coaching experiences have shaped him differently.Being the coach ofteams in Switzerland, where you have looked up to as a smart foreign guy who might be able to help the players get better is a different skill-set and dynamic.

    – But when things go bad, the players at NHL level tune him out quick, because they can: as they don’t buy into his different ways of coaching and communicating other than superficially: NHL players being who they are collectively

    – And Ralph is way smarter and worldly and full of perspective than the players he coaches.So his challenge will be if he is able to adapt when the team faces adversity.He chooses to project more of a Tony Robbins persona.The problem with that is that you can only pump tires and tell people they are great for so long: players all revert to what they know.Tony Robbins has many fans, but many think he is a fraud: do you get what I am saying.

    – So maybe he can re-package all his talents and learn from his previous coaching experiences with the Oil.And if he get’s lucky and the team wins a lot, maybe they can go far to allow them to buy into his best-practices more.

    – But I hope he succeeds: because the practice of hiring “Jimmy who I played with in college, or Billy who was on my staff before, or Tommy, he’s a coaches coach”It really narrows the group of men who end up as head coaches.

    – No way ziltch that ex-hockey players (preferably that played on that team) should form the majority of Hockey Head coach and executive hires.So I cheer for Kruger hard, despite knowing what I know, and understanding why and how he’s viewed by a few players

    This rings true for me as in my business I am a very different person from my professional customers. My sales guys have the same interests and mentality as the customers, one even is buddies outside of work with them.

    It makes a big difference, I could never drive sales like they do because of that lack of personal connection you’re referring to with Kruger. Not that I don’t adjust to them, I get along with them well and everyone likes each other, but it’s still different.

  48. Bag of Pucks says:

    Good timing for Krueger with Microsoft phasing out Skype for Business.

    Ironically for Ralph, it’s being replaced by MS’s. “Teams” product. Let’s hope that’s a harbinger for RK that his new team has his back.

    Rieder. Krueger. Souray. Comrie. etc.

    Still amazes me the OBC can praise their culture with that kind of track record. They can’t even get the Golden Rule right.

    Sharpen the axe, Ken! It’s the smart thing to do. Btw bonus points if you fire MacT over Whatsapp

  49. Nit64 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Sharpen the axe, Ken! It’s the smart thing to do. Btw bonus points if you fire MacT over Whatsapp

    Apparently he doesn’t even have to answer the Whatsapp call to get serious damage. 😉

  50. John Chambers says:

    Re: Trading Sekera

    In summer of 2012 the Anaheim Ducks traded Lubo Visnovsky to the lowly New York Islanders for a second round pick.

    Lubo had just come off a season where he put up 27 points. He was 36 years old. His cap hit was north of $5M / year.

    Not every team is cap-crunched, and some relish at the idea of a higher cap hit than the actual dollars paid out.

    There is no reason to buy out Sekera. Teams will trade for the potential of a top-4 defenseman.

  51. Scungilli Slushy says:

    An interesting thing will be to see if Holland’s moves anticipate the expansion draft or he just goes for it now and accepts losing a good player. Or thinks he can make a deal to stop that.

    With the draft in mind I’d try move anyone non core with movement clauses or have assurance that they waive. Find the top 6 talent in the entry draft and fill around the edges with lesser deals and possibly UFAs.

    A deep quality D Corp is key to winning in the playoffs. I wouldn’t trade any of Larsson Klefbom Nurse Bouchard or Samurokov especially for a forward. As Oiler fans we know that if a team can’t defend, get out of the D zone, or hit a forward with a good pass in a good place, it doesn’t matter how skilled the forwards are. Only players like Connor rise above that and it hampers him.

    A balanced D that can function well on special teams will bring more goals than a top 6 winger and correct the goal diff to a greater extent IMO. Not that I don’t want better wingers, but I wouldn’t start there .

  52. Oilman99 says:

    geowal:
    Best of luck to Krueger at turning the sabres around.

    Major gamble choosing a guy that hasn’t even been involved with hockey for a few years.

  53. defmn says:

    Scungilli Slushy:

    With the draft in mind I’d try move anyone non core with movement clauses or have assurance that they waive. Find the top 6 talent in the entry draft and fill around the edges with lesser deals and possibly UFAs.

    Pretty tough to find a GM who isn’t thinking the same thing about their own NMC players let alone acquiring another one. 😉

  54. Jordan says:

    Jason Gregor is on record for saying that he’d be willing to trade the #8 and RNH for either the #2 or the #3 if Byram is still on the board.

    He’s convinced the Byram is going to be a #1D man for a long, long time.

    Is Byram’s season this year good enough to convince anyone here that he’s on a #1Dman trajectory?

    If he is, what should the Oilers be willing to give up to get up to #2 or #3?

    I think RNH+ is reasonable, but RNH + #8 is an overpay.

    I think that trading one of our LHD would be a better plan.

    I’m warming to the idea of moving Klefbom because of the injury history. I also think he gets you a similar return that Nurse would, because of the contract value.

    The Ranger’s Defense is atrocious. Klefbom would easily be their best D-man.

    Would Klefbom for #2 be a move that benefits both teams?
    – Some Cap Relief for Oilers
    – Addresses abundance of expensive D-men for Oilers
    – Potential #1 Dman for Oilers (to go along with Samorukov and Bouchard)
    Rangers get
    – Cost Controlled Top 2 Dman
    – Best player in Trade (at this time)
    – Expedited rebuild

    I’d love to hold on to #8 and pick a good winger too, but don’t know if that’s realistic. Would Klefbom and the 2019 2nd get it done?

    Love to hear other peoples thoughts about this.

  55. Reja says:

    Oilman99: Major gamble choosing a guy that hasn’t even been involved with hockey for a few years.

    Maybe it’s a form of payback for offer sheeting Vanek. If they wouldn’t have matched the compensation was 4 first rounders Jordan Magnus Hall and Ryan

  56. barry.moore23 says:

    vinotintazo,

    Yes. That’s it. I would never have thought of it. Thanks.

  57. barry.moore23 says:

    Aron_S,

    I think it was Craig Ramsey. But I do remember Ian Hebers. He was Univ of Alberta guy ?

    Thanks man.

  58. JimmyV1965 says:

    Jordan:
    Jason Gregor is on record for saying that he’d be willing to trade the #8 and RNH for either the #2 or the #3 if Byram is still on the board.

    He’s convinced the Byram is going to be a #1D man for a long, long time.

    Is Byram’s season this year good enough to convince anyone here that he’s on a #1Dman trajectory?

    If he is, what should the Oilers be willing to give up to get up to #2 or #3?

    I think RNH+ is reasonable, but RNH + #8 is an overpay.

    I think that trading one of our LHD would be a better plan.

    I’m warming to the idea of moving Klefbom because of the injury history.I also think he gets you a similar return that Nurse would, because of the contract value.

    The Ranger’s Defense is atrocious.Klefbom would easily be their best D-man.

    Would Klefbom for #2 be a move that benefits both teams?– Some Cap Relief for Oilers– Addresses abundance of expensive D-men for Oilers– Potential #1 Dman for Oilers (to go along with Samorukov and Bouchard)
    Rangers get– Cost Controlled Top 2 Dman– Best player in Trade (at this time)– Expedited rebuild

    I’d love to hold on to #8 and pick a good winger too, but don’t know if that’s realistic.Would Klefbom and the 2019 2nd get it done?

    Love to hear other peoples thoughts about this.

    IMO the Rangers are still in the phase of rebuilding where high picks have more value to them than good players. By the time they are ready to compete, Klefbom’s deal is expiring. The Oilers are further ahead in the rebuilding process. They should be the team looking to deal picks for players.

  59. ArmchairGM says:

    Re: Seattle expansion draft, we are going to lose a player that is more valuable than Rienhart, that’s for sure. But it doesn’t have to hurt a lot… you recall the “plan” I posted yesterday? Here is the protected list from that roster:

    McDavid
    Draisaitl
    Dadonov
    Kreider
    Burakovski
    Puljujarvi
    Benson

    Nurse
    Klefbom
    Jones

    whichever goalie is showing the most promise.

    UFA’s

    Nugent-Hopkins
    Sekera
    Larsson
    Sheahan

    Exposed

    Lucic (NMC waived)
    Khaira
    Yamamoto
    Gambardella
    Marody
    Lagesson
    Bear

    Exempt

    Dach
    McLeod
    Maksimov
    Bouchard
    Samorukov

    Hard to say who Seattle would take at this point, but one of Yamamoto, Lagesson or Bear seems likely. Hardly crippling. Of course, if a 3rd convinces them to take Lucic you do that all day.

  60. YKOil says:

    John Chambers:
    Re: Trading Sekera

    In summer of 2012 the Anaheim Ducks traded Lubo Visnovsky to the lowly New York Islanders for a second round pick.

    Lubo had just come off a season where he put up 27 points. He was 36 years old. His cap hit was north of $5M / year.

    Not every team is cap-crunched, and some relish at the idea of a higher cap hit than the actual dollars paid out.

    There is no reason to buy out Sekera. Teams will trade for the potential of a top-4 defenseman.

    Agreed in full. Same with Russell. There may be a bit of salary retention but that will be, as much as anything, about expanding the pool of possible trade partners moreso than dumping the contract

  61. godot10 says:

    Jordan:
    Jason Gregor is on record for saying that he’d be willing to trade the #8 and RNH for either the #2 or the #3 if Byram is still on the board.

    He’s convinced the Byram is going to be a #1D man for a long, long time.

    Is Byram’s season this year good enough to convince anyone here that he’s on a #1Dman trajectory?

    If he is, what should the Oilers be willing to give up to get up to #2 or #3?

    I think RNH+ is reasonable, but RNH + #8 is an overpay.

    I think that trading one of our LHD would be a better plan.

    I’m warming to the idea of moving Klefbom because of the injury history.I also think he gets you a similar return that Nurse would, because of the contract value.

    The Ranger’s Defense is atrocious.Klefbom would easily be their best D-man.

    Would Klefbom for #2 be a move that benefits both teams?– Some Cap Relief for Oilers– Addresses abundance of expensive D-men for Oilers– Potential #1 Dman for Oilers (to go along with Samorukov and Bouchard)
    Rangers get– Cost Controlled Top 2 Dman– Best player in Trade (at this time)– Expedited rebuild

    I’d love to hold on to #8 and pick a good winger too, but don’t know if that’s realistic.Would Klefbom and the 2019 2nd get it done?

    Love to hear other peoples thoughts about this.

    Byram is out of reach and doesn’t fit the McDavid time line. Winning is never dependent on one player. As good as he is, Byram is not going to be a true difference maker in the next two years, probably the next four years.

    The Oilers deep core is excellent. McDavid, Draisaitl, Klefbom, Nurse.

    There are some nice things in the outer core. Nugent-Hopkins, Larson, Sekera

    There are some solid prospects, particularly on D in the pipeline.

    All they need are jacks, tens, and nines, and to get rid of the dead weight of Lucic and Russell.

  62. godot10 says:

    Oilman99: Major gamble choosing a guy that hasn’t even been involved with hockey for a few years.

    You mean like Tippett.

  63. Phil says:

    Germany – Slovakia 3 – 2

    Sekera with the 2nd goal for Slovakia and Leon wins it for Germany with less than 30 seconds to go. 😀

  64. PinkSocks says:

    Jordan:
    Jason Gregor is on record for saying that he’d be willing to trade the #8 and RNH for either the #2 or the #3 if Byram is still on the board.

    He’s convinced the Byram is going to be a #1D man for a long, long time.

    Is Byram’s season this year good enough to convince anyone here that he’s on a #1Dman trajectory?

    If he is, what should the Oilers be willing to give up to get up to #2 or #3?

    I think RNH+ is reasonable, but RNH + #8 is an overpay.

    I think that trading one of our LHD would be a better plan.

    I’m warming to the idea of moving Klefbom because of the injury history.I also think he gets you a similar return that Nurse would, because of the contract value.

    The Ranger’s Defense is atrocious.Klefbom would easily be their best D-man.

    Would Klefbom for #2 be a move that benefits both teams?– Some Cap Relief for Oilers– Addresses abundance of expensive D-men for Oilers– Potential #1 Dman for Oilers (to go along with Samorukov and Bouchard)
    Rangers get– Cost Controlled Top 2 Dman– Best player in Trade (at this time)– Expedited rebuild

    I’d love to hold on to #8 and pick a good winger too, but don’t know if that’s realistic.Would Klefbom and the 2019 2nd get it done?

    Love to hear other peoples thoughts about this.

    Drafting Byram at #2 and allowing Kaako drop to #3 would be insane. Byram will be at #3, possible #4 if the Hawks decide they like Cozens/Dach/Turcotte more than the D. At that point Colorado comes into play (lol Ottawa). They really don’t need Byram more than they need a C to give them some semblance of depth. So Sakic may trade down a 1-3 spots. No way he gets past #5 though.

  65. pts2pndr says:

    Reja: If Holland can swing a deal for the first that makes us better why wouldn’t he. If anyone thinks Holland isn’t going to take a run with Mcdavid and Leon in their prime hasn’t been following the playoffs.

    There are all kinds of reason why you keep the number eight pick. If some team was to offer a huge overpay yes you would do it. Good management looks not only at the short term but long term as well.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    chrisco stu,

    It makes the Oilers a lot worse in the short term. I also do not think the avs make that trade.

    It does at first instance but that is subject to what is done with the $9M in cap space.

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    A question on yesterdays “buyout Sekera” conversations (which was well debated on all sides).

    The one small point that was left out was, What about moving Sekera at the trade deadline?

    Assuming he stays healthy until then, his trade value would be at its highest then based on proven health and top 4 skill set. AND hes not a pure rental, which many GMs seem to be moving away from. He would be in that sweet spot, where he’s not a rental but not a long term contract either.

    It could be argued that this doesnt help our cap situation this year (2019) but I would argue it has the following potential benefit:

    1) Unloads Sekera and $5.5million in cap space (for 2020) while he still has value
    2) Buys you half a season to see how Jones, Persson, Bouchard, Lagesson are performing
    3) Provides the new GM a grace period to assess his current roster and also provides the “option” to pick up someone at the deadline once he’s seen where his most glaring needs are

    The GM would have to manage the fan bases perception of being “sellers” at the deadline, but reallistically the benefits to the teams future far outway any perceived short term pain.

    Its an idea that could have merit but really tough to have a position on it given we don’t know the circumstances that we’ll be in – where is the team in the standings? How has Sekera been playing? Etc.

    Each of Jones, Bear and Lagesson lose their waiver exempt status heading in to next year. Although I can rationalize each player being a legit NHL player heading in to next year, history shows us that its unreasonable to expect them all to “make it”. I think we should be able to “count on one” and reasonably project 2. Add to that Bouchard very very likely being NHL ready (if not earlier) and, shit, who knows where Samorukov will be after a year of pro.

    Bottom line, I see a big shift in the D-core for the 2020/21 season and I wouldn’t think that Sekera (or Russell) is on that team.

  68. Alpine says:

    Jordan,

    Lol, I hope Gregor is happy with another year or two of
    and sucking. Possibly more.

    What a brutal proposal.

    Byram could maybe play third pairing next year. But then you have no replacement for Nuge and you traded the 8th as well which could have been used to find a replacement for him.

    Then you’re moving a D for a Forward but also you still need another top six guy or two so McDavid and Drai have someone to play with it.

    Don’t use good players to trade up. No one does it and it’s not worth unless you’re getting a true sueperstar which won’t be traded anyways.

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Would Jessie Puljujarvi make about the same money playing in Europe next year as he would in the NHL? Im sure he would still have some “Star” appeal in Europe. Would the Oilers still retain his RFA rights? Would this make sense from a Puljujarvi point of view , or would he see it some sort of failure / demotion?

    His options if hes not happy with the Oilers would be

    1) Ask for a trade privately
    2) Ask for a trade publicly
    3) Sign a one year deal and try to get to free agency / force a trade

    His options if he’s nuetral or OK remaining an Oiler are

    1) Sign a one year deal
    2) Sign a two year deal
    3) Agree to play one year in Europe
    4) OTHER??

    If I’m Holland, I would prefer either a 2 year NHL contract or sending him to Europe for one year.

    Potentially in the KHL but very unlikely. Not in Sweden.

    I see zero benefit of him playing in Europe. He is still working on getting “the Europe”, that is, the big ice and the European style of game, out of his system and, clearly still acclimatizing to North American culture.

    Sending him to Europe would likely cause material regression.

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: If Holland can swing a deal for the first that makes us better why wouldn’t he. If anyone thinks Holland isn’t going to take a run with Mcdavid and Leon in their prime hasn’t been following the playoffs.

    but they aren’t in their primes – Leon probably on the verge, McDavid a few years away

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    Of course, all the verbal about MacT, Kruger and Skype isn’t really accurate.

    Now, I admit this is 100% heresay but this is from an online acquaintance (I won’t call him friend as we do NOT get along) that I’ve known for 15 years – he 100% has connections to hockey in Europe including various scouts and others:

    Ralph’s agent was told of his dismissal & was the 1 that told Ralph that MacT was flying to see him, but he declined & told MacT that is was a waste of time.

    They had 3 phone conversations about his dismissal before it went public, & MacT even offered to come see him, & also asked him to stay on the with the organization as a consultant/scout.

    Ralph turned the Oilers down…

    Blame the OBC ALL you want, but the Oilers did everything thing they could do to appease Ralph at the time.

    Look up who purchased Southampton & try to find a Katz link to that…

  72. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Strudwick just mentioned on Gregor’s show that he thought Kruger had the best and most interesting practices among all the coaches he played for.

    Vanek is quoted heavily in this Athletic piece: https://theathletic.com/978383/2019/05/14/as-sabres-tab-ralph-krueger-to-become-their-next-coach-one-of-teams-former-stars-sings-his-praises/

    Some Vanek quotes:

    “It would be a huge, huge, huge get for Buffalo,” the former Sabres forward said Tuesday. “I think very highly of him. He’ll get the most out of any group.”

    “In the World Cup, not many picked us,” Vanek said. “But he’s got a way of gluing a team together and getting them to play for each other.”

    “X’s and O’s at the World Cup, he had his say,” Vanek said. “But we had Paul Maurice on our staff who is really good with that stuff. That’s where Ralph was very good. He knows we had a guy like Maurice on staff, and he’s OK with delegating. That shows leadership and character on his part.

    “He wasn’t threatened by Paul. He loved Paul, and we trusted the system because he trusted it. They worked great together, and I loved playing for him. I can speak for most of the guys in that they loved him.”

    I find it interesting that even as a coach Kruger takes the role of “Motivator and Delegator”

    That makes sense as it seems that it would play to his strengths.

    Did BUF fire their assistants as well? If they did it will be interesting to see who they hire.

  73. Jordan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Of course, all the verbal about MacT, Kruger and Skype isn’t really accurate.

    Now, I admit this is 100% heresay but this is from an online acquaintance (I won’t call him friend as we do NOT get along) that I’ve known for 15 years – he 100% has connections to hockey in Europe including various scouts and others:

    Ralph’s agent was told of his dismissal & was the 1 that told Ralph that MacT was flying to see him, but he declined & told MacT that is was a waste of time.

    They had 3 phone conversations about his dismissal before it went public, & MacT even offered to come see him, & also asked him to stay on the with the organization as a consultant/scout.

    Ralph turned the Oilers down…

    Blame the OBC ALL you want, but the Oilers did everything thing they could do to appease Ralph at the time.

    Look up who purchased Southampton & try to find a Katz link to that…

    That’s some awesome gossip. Totally changes the narrative about how Krueger parted ways with the Oilers, if its true.

    As someone who loves to jump to conclusions, clearly Ralph’s in the wrong on this story, and everyone should forgive MacT.

    Or, we could just keep on with the Shrek meme and “GRAB YOUR TORCH AND PITCHFORK!”

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jay Woodcroft very mon-committal when asked where he’ll be next year – blah.

  75. YKOil says:

    Jordan:
    Or, we could just keep on with the Shrek meme and “GRAB YOUR TORCH AND PITCHFORK!”

    (Looks up from sharpening wheel, spits, takes a swig of whiskey, grabs another pitchfork)

  76. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Potentially in the KHL but very unlikely.Not in Sweden.

    I see zero benefit of him playing in Europe.He is still working on getting “the Europe”, that is, the big ice and the European style of game, out of his system and, clearly still acclimatizing to North American culture.

    Sending him to Europe would likely cause material regression.

    You keep saying this. What ‘“europe” part of his game are you referring to? He’s played in North America now for three years. If he hasn’t figured it out yet he never will. The bottom line is that JP needs confidence and the best way to get that is by being successful.

  77. Sunnyboy says:

    I liked the CoH article by Bruce today, cleared up some “mythstakes” on the current verbal re: Russell and the D corps, who is on the ice, goals scored for. Who should be dealt of this group for cap space?
    Good visit with Bruce on the Lowdown as well. More analysis that debunks popular opinion req”d.

  78. Material Elvis says:

    anjinsan:

    Once Krueger proves out, MacTavish’s incompetence at management will be on full public display.

    I think you missed the Nikitin, Ference, Petry, and Dubnyk ordeals that preceeded Krueger’s new coaching job.

  79. Material Elvis says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Jay Woodcroft very mon-committal when asked where he’ll be next year – blah.

    Strange. A strong AHL cv would undoubtedly give him a better chance at becoming an NHL head coach than riding Todd McLellan’s coattails as a perennial NHL assistant coach…..I think.

  80. Nit64 says:

    Jordan: Totally changes the narrative about how Krueger parted ways with the Oilers, if its true.

    Really? The main point to the narrative (Skype jokes aside) is that:

    a) RK was told before he headed off shore that we was returning to coach another year.
    b) He was not fired face to face when MacT changed his mind.

    if one of those if not true, then yes the narrative really is totally changed. Otherwise the Skype humor still hits pretty close to home. Told the agent, great 😉

  81. OriginalPouzar says:

    Top 10 NHL prospects playing in the 2019 Memorial Cup

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/top-10-nhl-prospects-playing-2019-memorial-cup/

    2. Dmitri Samorukov, Guelph Storm
    Drafted Round 3, 84th overall by Edmonton in 2017

    While Edmonton Oilers pundits are quick to point out the play of Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones, and Evan Bouchard, don’t sleep on Samorukov making a push to leap-frog all three players as early as next year. The affable Russian plays a pro-style game where he defends with size, physicality and a good stick. He passes the puck like an NHL veteran and has a bomb of a shot that will work in the NHL. An all-around defenceman, Samorukov’s 28 points are the most for an OHL defenceman since Ryan Ellis had 33 with Windsor in 2010.

  82. McSorley33 says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Avs are desperate for a 2C. They already have Zadorov and Johnson. Not sure they would be looking for Nurse. They’re probably more interested in trading a dman like Barrie.
    *****************************************************************************************
    Well, they pick 4th overall this year. ( and 16th overall ) I think they may find a 2C solution there next month.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Phil:
    Germany – Slovakia 3 – 2

    Sekera with the 2nd goal for Slovakia and Leon wins it for Germany with less than 30 seconds to go.

    Both goals here:

    https://twitter.com/IIHFHockey/status/1128793589528424448

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: There are all kinds of reason why you keep the number eight pick. If some team was to offer a huge overpay yes you would do it. Good management looks not only at the short term but long term as well.

    and Holland was pretty clear that, while the goal is to make the playoffs this year, the primary goal is to build a team that will go deep in the playoffs and contend year after year and, further he expressly stated he won’t harm that future for immediate improvement.

  85. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: but they aren’t in their primes – Leon probably on the verge, McDavid a few years away

    If they don’t receive any winger help and the coach is forced to play them both way too many minutes both their backs will be caved in from carrying the other shrubs they had as wingers to end the year.

  86. chrisco stu says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    What if the 9 mil was used to work a trade for Subban involving Nuge and Puljujarvi? If Benning could be moved for Brown, you could end up with
    Klefbom Subban
    Sekera Larson
    Russel Jones/ Persson

    They’d need help up front but that’s a hell of a defence. There would be room to sign say Nyquist and Panik? That’s a lot of moves to end up with only Mcdavid and Draisaitl as sure things up front.

  87. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Sunnyboy:
    I liked the CoH article by Bruce today, cleared up some “mythstakes” on the current verbal re:Russell and the D corps, who is on the ice, goals scored for. Who should be dealt of this group for cap space?
    Good visit with Bruce on the Lowdown as well. More analysis that debunks popular opinion req”d.

    Thanks for reading, for listening, & for your comments. Much appreciated

  88. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: and Holland was pretty clear that, while the goal is to make the playoffs this year, the primary goal is to build a team that will go deep in the playoffs and contend year after year and, further he expressly stated he won’t harm that future for immediate improvement.

    Of course he’s going to say that and temper the expectations of the masses. Make no mistake the Oilers have the assets and Holland will try every trick in the book to weave is magic and take a run at Stanley every minute he’s employed by the Oilers.

  89. Glovjuice says:

    Jordan:
    Jason Gregor is on record for saying that he’d be willing to trade the #8 and RNH for either the #2 or the #3 if Byram is still on the board.

    He’s convinced the Byram is going to be a #1D man for a long, long time.

    Is Byram’s season this year good enough to convince anyone here that he’s on a #1Dman trajectory?

    If he is, what should the Oilers be willing to give up to get up to #2 or #3?

    I think RNH+ is reasonable, but RNH + #8 is an overpay.

    I think that trading one of our LHD would be a better plan.

    I’m warming to the idea of moving Klefbom because of the injury history.I also think he gets you a similar return that Nurse would, because of the contract value.

    The Ranger’s Defense is atrocious.Klefbom would easily be their best D-man.

    Would Klefbom for #2 be a move that benefits both teams?– Some Cap Relief for Oilers– Addresses abundance of expensive D-men for Oilers– Potential #1 Dman for Oilers (to go along with Samorukov and Bouchard)
    Rangers get– Cost Controlled Top 2 Dman– Best player in Trade (at this time)– Expedited rebuild

    I’d love to hold on to #8 and pick a good winger too, but don’t know if that’s realistic.Would Klefbom and the 2019 2nd get it done?

    Love to hear other peoples thoughts about this.

    The Rangers are NOT trading Bryram, a Finnish Jagr or Hughes for an often injured 3 D. Seriously.

  90. anjinsan says:

    Material Elvis,

    I didn’t miss them, just wanted to call out the crown jewel. All those incompetent signings and blown player devs are on MacTavish, fer sher. But the dropping of Krueger in favor in Eakins was his magnum opus.

  91. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: but they aren’t in their primes – Leon probably on the verge, McDavid a few years away

    Players like Wayne, Orr, Crosby and 97 are at their prime early. McDavid is in this class, he is in prime already. Look at the numbers and corresponding ages from these players. Geniuses don’t fit the mold.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Of course he’s going to say thatand temper the expectations of the masses. Make no mistake the Oilers have the assets and Holland will try every trick in the book to weave is magic and take a run at Stanley every minute he’s employed by the Oilers.

    ….. and he’s smart enough to know that it can’t be done in one off-season.

    The process will be started. Some cap will be moved out. One established mid-range top 6 foward will likely be added with the cap he opens up but that, along with the material 1B goalie that’s required, may be enough for one off-season.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice: Players like Wayne, Orr, Crosby and 97 are at their prime early. McDavid is in this class, he is in prime already. Look at the numbers and corresponding ages from these players. Geniuses don’t fit the mold.

    Gretzky was eras ago.

    I absolutely disagree with Crosby and McDavid. Being in their prime constitutes more than just offence. Sidney Crosby was 100% a better play at 28-29 than he was at 22 – his all around game improved by leaps and bounds.

    McDavid’s scoring rates may not increase but his game will sure get better – defensive awareness, defensive zone coverage, faceoffs, battles (stronger), PP QB matters, etc.

  94. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I just read these two paragraphs:

    Based on the observed behavior of the entities that surround us, from electrons to atoms to molecules, to bacteria to mice, bats, rats, and on, we suggest that all things may be viewed as at least a little conscious. This sounds strange at first blush, but “panpsychism” – the view that all matter has some associated consciousness – is
    an increasingly accepted position with respect to the nature of consciousness.

    The panpsychist argues that consciousness did not emerge at some point during evolution. Rather, it’s always associated with matter and vice versa – they’re two sides of the same coin. But the large majority of the mind associated with the various types of matter in our universe is extremely rudimentary. An electron or an atom, for example, enjoys just a tiny amount of consciousness. But as matter becomes more interconnected and rich, so does the mind, and vice versa, according to this way of thinking.

    Source: https://www.universal-sci.com/headlines/2018/11/9/could-consciousness-all-come-down-to-the-way-things-vibrate (an interesting read)

    I don’t know if DMW does requests but when I read those two paragraphs I immediate wanted to read his treatment of the subject matter.

  95. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: ….. and he’s smart enough to know that it can’t be done in one off-season.

    The process will be started.Some cap will be moved out.One established mid-range top 6 foward will likely be added with the cap he opens up but that, along with the material 1B goalie that’s required, may be enough for one off-season.

    I agree but if it plays out where a GM really wants a player still on the board at no 8 add a asset Holland could kill two birds with one stone and pick- up a shooting winger and dump cap. I believe this will be the most exciting offseason since Peca and Pronger came to town.

  96. jp says:

    Reja: If they don’t receive any winger help and the coach is forced to play them both way too many minutes both their backs will be caved in from carrying the other shrubs they had as wingers to end the year.

    They play with each other. They’ll be fine

  97. v4ance says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Of course, all the verbal about MacT, Kruger and Skype isn’t really accurate.

    Now, I admit this is 100% heresay but this is from an online acquaintance (I won’t call him friend as we do NOT get along) that I’ve known for 15 years – he 100% has connections to hockey in Europe including various scouts and others:

    Ralph’s agent was told of his dismissal & was the 1 that told Ralph that MacT was flying to see him, but he declined & told MacT that is was a waste of time.

    They had 3 phone conversations about his dismissal before it went public, & MacT even offered to come see him, & also asked him to stay on the with the organization as a consultant/scout.

    Ralph turned the Oilers down…

    Blame the OBC ALL you want, but the Oilers did everything thing they could do to appease Ralph at the time.

    Look up who purchased Southampton & try to find a Katz link to that…

    I’m sorry OP. that story doesn’t fit the narrative.

    The OBC is responsible for all the faults in the organization if you listen to most of the posters here who know a thing or two about whinging if there’s any question. If fact, MacT, Lowe, Howson etc. are responsible for global warming, a declining birth rate and an upcoming credit default of the US economy.

    Just blame them for everything and you’ll start to fit in here

  98. jp says:

    Sunnyboy: I liked the CoH article by Bruce

    +1

  99. Reja says:

    jp: They play with each other. They’ll be fine

    With a scoring winger easy 35-40. I’ll be long gone but there line would be talked about for generations like the Triple Crown, French Connection Legion of Doom. Kassian is alright as a filler but not full time.

  100. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    – OP – this isn’t the forum to share swap insider gossip but I feel compelled to reply.

    – When Quinn was forming his assistant roster he reached out to my friend (I’m talking golf buddies stagger to his cottage and back). He was offered the job and said no way I want to be in hockey in 3 years I’m not going to a gong show. So Quinn asked him who is a risk taker that is good and will provide me with a fresh perspective. He says Kruger

    – My pal is still in NHL. He knows stuff but is careful

    – Even if your friends accounting is half true which it isn’t : Ralph was told that they were going to get him an x and o guy.

    – so my guy likes MacT but they know he acted in bad faith and they would forgive him for that instead he’s both a person of bad character and bad judgment. Had MacT hired a better coach he might be able to get a job in the NHL outside of Oilers. Instead he’s hanging on for dear life as he’s done in the league once he gets punted. He knows it as does the rest of the league.

  101. jp says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    dustrock,

    – Hockey players are for the most part army type conforming guys who have grown up in a system, that get used to patterns, and have codes of conduct: the coaches are all plus or minus the same with different personalities

    – Ralph’s coaching experiences have shaped him differently.Being the coach ofteams in Switzerland, where you have looked up to as a smart foreign guy who might be able to help the players get better is a different skill-set and dynamic.

    – But when things go bad, the players at NHL level tune him out quick, because they can: as they don’t buy into his different ways of coaching and communicating other than superficially: NHL players being who they are collectively

    – And Ralph is way smarter and worldly and full of perspective than the players he coaches.So his challenge will be if he is able to adapt when the team faces adversity.He chooses to project more of a Tony Robbins persona.The problem with that is that you can only pump tires and tell people they are great for so long: players all revert to what they know.Tony Robbins has many fans, but many think he is a fraud: do you get what I am saying.

    – So maybe he can re-package all his talents and learn from his previous coaching experiences with the Oil.And if he get’s lucky and the team wins a lot, maybe they can go far to allow them to buy into his best-practices more.

    – But I hope he succeeds: because the practice of hiring “Jimmy who I played with in college, or Billy who was on my staff before, or Tommy, he’s a coaches coach”It really narrows the group of men who end up as head coaches.

    – No way ziltch that ex-hockey players (preferably that played on that team) should form the majority of Hockey Head coach and executive hires.So I cheer for Kruger hard, despite knowing what I know, and understanding why and how he’s viewed by a few players

    defmn: This is why I have always said that he is more suited to tournament play than the grind that is a regular season.
    “Way smarter and worldly” tends to have a shelf life even shorter than “yells and screams all the time” does.

    This is complete speculation though, no? Is there any evidence at all that NHL players actually do tune him out more than any other coach when the going gets tough?

    Sounds like the players you’re connected to have suggested this, but Krueger’s actual results as a head coach were better than all manner of coaches before and after him (all of Quinn, Renney, Eakins, Nelson and McLellan). Did the 2013 Oilers tune Krueger out? Did things not “go bad” for that team?

    Krueger clearly has some different tools in his tool box, but he’s also a former player. Not a completely disconnected foreign entity. At this stage he’s also a former NHL head- and assistant coach who has olympic, world cup and world championship experience.

    Looking at it more now, it’s a fairly impressive resume even restricting it to his behind-the-bench experience. We’ll see how it translates in his 2nd go around, but I just don’t see the basis for your pessimism.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    If there is anything MacT is know for, its being a bad person with no character……..

    Knowing the source, I will continue to give credence to the information as presented even if I’m “told” its not even half true. I don’t expect anyone else to do the same – each can come to their own conclusions.

  103. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    If there is anything MacT is know for, its being a bad person with no character……..

    Knowing the source, I will continue to give credence to the information as presented even if I’m “told” its not even half true.I don’t expect anyone else to do the same – each can come to their own conclusions.

    – I won’t accept this from you. This is not my quote. Your better than this.

    – Kruger was lied to by a GM who hired a worse coach. Full stop. The rest is details.

    – Except that MacT would have to do heavy lifting to get an executive job outside of Oilers based on his actions

    – Don’t false quote me to dismiss That’s Bush especially from a poster who I enjoy and respect and we can agree and disagree and advance things.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    I didn’t quote anybody in that post but I guess I will now:

    “instead he’s both a person of bad character and bad judgment”

  105. pts2pndr says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    dustrock,

    – Hockey players are for the most part army type conforming guys who have grown up in a system, that get used to patterns, and have codes of conduct: the coaches are all plus or minus the same with different personalities

    – Ralph’s coaching experiences have shaped him differently.Being the coach ofteams in Switzerland, where you have looked up to as a smart foreign guy who might be able to help the players get better is a different skill-set and dynamic.

    – But when things go bad, the players at NHL level tune him out quick, because they can: as they don’t buy into his different ways of coaching and communicating other than superficially: NHL players being who they are collectively

    – And Ralph is way smarter and worldly and full of perspective than the players he coaches.So his challenge will be if he is able to adapt when the team faces adversity.He chooses to project more of a Tony Robbins persona.The problem with that is that you can only pump tires and tell people they are great for so long: players all revert to what they know.Tony Robbins has many fans, but many think he is a fraud: do you get what I am saying.

    – So maybe he can re-package all his talents and learn from his previous coaching experiences with the Oil.And if he get’s lucky and the team wins a lot, maybe they can go far to allow them to buy into his best-practices more.

    – But I hope he succeeds: because the practice of hiring “Jimmy who I played with in college, or Billy who was on my staff before, or Tommy, he’s a coaches coach”It really narrows the group of men who end up as head coaches.

    – No way ziltch that ex-hockey players (preferably that played on that team) should form the majority of Hockey Head coach and executive hires.So I cheer for Kruger hard, despite knowing what I know, and understanding why and how he’s viewed by a few players

    I do hope you know more about hockey and coaching than you do about military personnel because your opening statement does tremendous disservice to military service members everywhere.

  106. Scungilli Slushy says:

    defmn: Pretty tough to find a GM who isn’t thinking the same thing about their own NMC players let alone acquiring another one.

    True, but some orgs are in win now mode and absolutely need cash. Like the Avs.

    Who knows what they might think they’re missing to get where they want to be?

    One thing I’m hopeful about Holland is making deals we haven’t seen in a while. He knows everyone, they know they can’t fool him if he’s not fooling himself about players, as opposed to MacT coming in vocal and hot, and Chiarelli wanting certain player types and being overly aggressive.

    For now the oilers have cash and an owner willing to spend. The GM is mostly limited by himself and few are in that position.

  107. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I didn’t quote anybody in that post but I guess I will now:

    “instead he’s both a person of bad character and bad judgment”

    – OP : your source told you that in fact MacT did try to reach out to Kruger.

    – All that matters is that MacT lied to Kruger when he said he’s going to get him him some help. And on top of lying he made a terrible hire. So he’s a liar and he compounded this by making an awful hire.

    – So Kruger whose been there for 3 years and knows the gong show management is shocked by the betrayal and being usurped by a yahoo.

    – I’m not sure why we are arguing actually! Surely your not defending MacTs lies or his awful hire. Had MacT hired a good coach who turned it around he would have recovered from his betrayal.

  108. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    pts2pndr: I do hope you know more about hockey and coaching than you do about military personnel because your openingstatement does tremendous disservice to military service members everywhere.

    – seeing as all my family for generations served and died in world wars I’m not sure what you mean. An army absolutely requires conformity. It is not a place where independent thought is valued. You buy into a system and serve. Having exposure to both I don’t think one can take offence to observing the similarities between the buy in required to the military and to pro sport.

  109. JimmyV1965 says:

    chrisco stu:
    OriginalPouzar,

    What if the 9 mil was used to work a trade for Subban involving Nuge and Puljujarvi? If Benning could be moved for Brown, you could end up with
    Klefbom Subban
    Sekera Larson
    Russel Jones/ Persson

    They’d need help up front but that’s a hell of a defence. There would be room to sign say Nyquist and Panik? That’s a lot of moves to end up with only Mcdavid and Draisaitl as sure things up front.

    If the GM is going to make a substantial move – I would like him to, but I doubt he will – wouldn’t it make sense to bring in a forward. The team actually has depth at defence. If you add another high profile dman by trading away forwards, you then have to go out and trade more dmen to get forwards. You’re basically chasing your tail around.

  110. YKOil says:

    JimmyV1965: If the GM is going to make a substantial move – I would like him to, but I doubt he will – wouldn’t it make sense to bring in a forward. The team actually has depth at defence. If you add another high profile dman by trading away forwards, you then have to go out and trade more dmen to get forwards. You’re basically chasing your tail around.

    I think the substantial move will be to deal with one of the more problematic contracts – probably Lucic.

    Other than that he bring in a top-4 to 9 center/winger

  111. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Of course, all the verbal about MacT, Kruger and Skype isn’t really accurate.

    Now, I admit this is 100% heresay but this is from an online acquaintance (I won’t call him friend as we do NOT get along) that I’ve known for 15 years – he 100% has connections to hockey in Europe including various scouts and others:

    Ralph’s agent was told of his dismissal & was the 1 that told Ralph that MacT was flying to see him, but he declined & told MacT that is was a waste of time.

    They had 3 phone conversations about his dismissal before it went public, & MacT even offered to come see him, & also asked him to stay on the with the organization as a consultant/scout.

    Ralph turned the Oilers down…

    Blame the OBC ALL you want, but the Oilers did everything thing they could do to appease Ralph at the time.

    Look up who purchased Southampton & try to find a Katz link to that…

    This is not remotely the story was reported in the Edmonton newspapers.

    So who are we to believe. The heresay of your friend and his nonsense, or the horse’s mouth speaking to TSN on the record.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/oilers-coach-ralph-krueger-says-he-was-fired-over-skype/

    https://www.digitaltrends.com/health-fitness/nhl-coach-gets-fired-during-a-skype-chat/

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m not arguing anything, I don’t even really know what you are talking about.

    I was really just speaking to the entire “Skype” fiasco and I really have no idea what you are talking about or what these supposed “lies” were – you went off on some sort of tangent that I don’t understand and doesn’t have anything to do with the point I was making.

  113. GMB3 says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    chrisco stu,

    It makes the Oilers a lot worse in the short term. I also do not think the avs make that trade.

    I’d surmise that Byram would be a better NHLer than Nurse in short period of time. As per woodguy and other smart posters, the truly elite D are elite early in their careers. Byram is the goods.

    That said, I’m on board with trading Nurse, but only for a binaries forward or RHD

  114. GMB3 says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    To piggy back on top of this, and to the contrary of what Kinger posted, several of the key young players from that Oilers team really liked Krueger.

  115. GMB3 says:

    godot10: This is not remotely the story was reported in the Edmonton newspapers.

    So who are we to believe.The heresay of your friend and his nonsense, or the horse’s mouth speaking to TSN on the record.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/oilers-coach-ralph-krueger-says-he-was-fired-over-skype/

    https://www.digitaltrends.com/health-fitness/nhl-coach-gets-fired-during-a-skype-chat/

    Wasn’t MacT in the process of picking Krueger’s assistants for him when he decided he liked Eakins more? That is terrible. No wonder Krueger had no interest in coming back

  116. GMB3 says:

    JimmyV1965: You keep saying this. What ‘“europe” part of his game are you referring to? He’s played in North America now for three years. If he hasn’t figured it out yet he never will. The bottom line is that JP needs confidence and the best way to get that is by being successful.

    This I fully agree with.

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    Man, Vegas’ cap situation might be the worst in the league.

    They are already over the upper cap limit for next season with only 17 players and one of the players in need of re-sign is William Karlsson.

    If the Oilers could open up some cap space, could they scoop Riley Smith or Cody Eakin along with the rights to Brandon PIrri? Return being a pick and an AHL prospect ready to graduate? Bear or Marody?

    Pirri’s metrics sparkle including his relative metrics – I want this player for a good bet value contract.

  118. Death By Misadventure says:

    John Chambers:
    Re: Trading Sekera

    In summer of 2012 the Anaheim Ducks traded Lubo Visnovsky to the lowly New York Islanders for a second round pick.

    Lubo had just come off a season where he put up 27 points. He was 36 years old. His cap hit was north of $5M / year.

    Not every team is cap-crunched, and some relish at the idea of a higher cap hit than the actual dollars paid out.

    There is no reason to buy out Sekera. Teams will trade for the potential of a top-4 defenseman.

    I miss Lubo so much. Oh what I would give for the Oilers to have prime Lubo and Sekera on their roster right now.

    The lesson as always: get Slovak Dman, keep Slovak Dman.

  119. Lowetide says:

    Igor Eronko
    @IgorEronko
    Craig MacTavish signed a 2-year deal with Lokomotiv of the KHL. Another option for the head coach position was Kari Jalonen

  120. T0ML says:

    Lowetide:
    Igor Eronko
    @IgorEronko
    Craig MacTavish signed a 2-year deal with Lokomotiv of the KHL. Another option for the head coach position was Kari Jalonen

    So it seems that Holland has sent MacT to Siberia …. Beginning of the end for OBC?

  121. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    Igor Eronko
    @IgorEronko
    Craig MacTavish signed a 2-year deal with Lokomotiv of the KHL. Another option for the head coach position was Kari Jalonen

    Wow. Change.

  122. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide:
    Igor Eronko
    @IgorEronko
    Craig MacTavish signed a 2-year deal with Lokomotiv of the KHL. Another option for the head coach position was Kari Jalonen

    Loved him as a player then a coach.

    GM…well it didnt work out.

    AGM, not well either.

    Good for the team and organization that he is gone.

    And good for him that he is in a position that he has done well in the past.

  123. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide:
    Igor Eronko
    @IgorEronko
    Craig MacTavish signed a 2-year deal with Lokomotiv of the KHL. Another option for the head coach position was Kari Jalonen

    You know, Lowe coached before too. Maybe he’d like to control his own team in the KHL too?

  124. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Lowetide,

    Old Dutch works fast.

    Interesting place to start, with a lame duck AGM.

    Wonder how Anton Lander feels about the news?

  125. Melvis says:

    As a symbol of change, MacT gone is as refreshing as a cold beer after a hot day picking rocks. Now I’m wondering if he jumped or was pushed.

  126. defmn says:

    Scungilli Slushy: True, but some orgs are in win now mode and absolutely need cash. Like the Avs.

    Who knows what they might think they’re missing to get where they want to be?

    One thing I’m hopeful about Holland is making deals we haven’t seen in a while. He knows everyone, they know they can’t fool him if he’s not fooling himself about players, as opposed to MacT coming in vocal and hot, and Chiarelli wanting certain player types and being overly aggressive.

    Fornow the oilers have cash and an owner willing to spend. The GM is mostly limited by himself and few are in that position.

    Agreed. It might be possible. But as you say it will take a very particular congruence of timing and circumstance.

  127. Pouzar says:

    Good.
    Now do Howson.

  128. Glovjuice says:

    Wow, it’s happening. Nelson arrival next.

  129. PinkSocks says:

    Great start to Holland’s tenure. My assumption is each member of the OBC has a mandate to find a new job so Daryl doesn’t have to fire them. Probably the correct methodology considering the circumstances.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    MacT heading to coach Locomotiv in the KHL – everyone can rejoice!

  131. jp says:

    Pouzar:
    Good.
    Now do Howson.

    It’s dignified to let them find a position if they can rather than teaching them a lesson with a bunch of public firings. Refreshing.

  132. PinkSocks says:

    And with MacT leaving for Russia, Ken Holland already has more successes in his role of Edmonton Oilers GM than Peter Chiarelli.

  133. defmn says:

    I don’t know if DMW does requests but when I read those two paragraphs I immediate wanted to read his treatment of the subject matter.

    Really interesting article. Thanks for the link. It is almost Aristotelian in its rank ordering of teleology while identifying or speculating that resonance is the seminal indicator.

  134. Radman says:

    Anybody order a Dutch Cleanser ?

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    I assume Howson and Bill Scott will be out as well and a total revamp of the pro scouting to come.

    Not sure of a ton of change on the amateur scouting side and I assume Keith Gretzky will take a material role in that regard – we’ll see.

  136. Lowetide says:

    Radman:
    Anybody order a Dutch Cleanser ?

    Lol.

  137. smellyglove says:

    PinkSocks,

    Explain.

  138. Abbeef says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    If they were to hire Nelson this might have been necessary to do first.

  139. smellyglove says:

    Sail on Mact – and thanks for the memories.

    Time to open the betting pool on where Lowe lands.

    Prince Albert Raiders
    Golden Bears
    ?

  140. russ99 says:

    Wow, really impressed with both Holland and Katz for turning the page.

    I’m more hopeful about this team than since the playoff win against the Sharks.

    Thanks to Craig MacTavish for his years of being an Oiler, a great player, a really good coach, sometimes a decent manager. While it’s surely time for a move, he’s made some key contributions to our franchise.

    Best wishes in the KHL, I’m really glad he’s coaching again, that seems his best place.

  141. PinkSocks says:

    smellyglove:
    PinkSocks,

    Explain.

    Explain what?

  142. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m not arguing anything, I don’t even really know what you are talking about.

    I was really just speaking to the entire “Skype” fiasco and I really have no idea what you are talking about or what these supposed “lies” were – you went off on some sort of tangent that I don’t understand and doesn’t have anything to do with the point I was making.

    Ralph Krueger told the Skype story directly to TSN, and TSN reported it, quoting him. From a person directly involved to the most reputable sports news organization on hockey matters. There is no record of the report being refuted as inaccurate by MacT or the Oilers.

    You said, “Of course, all the verbal about MacT, Krueger and Skype isn’t really accurate.”

  143. godot10 says:

    Lowetide:
    Igor Eronko
    @IgorEronko
    Craig MacTavish signed a 2-year deal with Lokomotiv of the KHL. Another option for the head coach position was Kari Jalonen

    Hockey GM’ing 101
    Think what Peter Chiarelli would do. Then do the opposite.

  144. Nit64 says:

    Abbeef:
    OriginalPouzar,

    If they were to hire Nelson this might have been necessary to do first.

    Exact first thought as well.

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