SATURDAY IN THE PARK

Peter Chiarelli is long gone but there’s still a chance he can help the Edmonton Oilers. Some of his ‘futures’ deals may come to pass, and one of them could help this winter. Cooper Marody was acquired for a third-round pick at the 2018 deadline and he might arrive in time for 2019 opening night.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: How much can Connor Brown help the Oilers?
  • New Lowetide: Dmitri Samorukov is off to the Memorial Cup and is the Oilers’ fastest rising prospect
  • New Jonathan Willis: Craig MacTavish leaves the Oilers, signalling the first major front office change under Ken Holland
  • Lowetide: What kind of coach should Ken Holland hire for the Oilers?
  • Jonathan Willis: Every Oilers AHL prospect, rated by how close they are to the NHL
  • Jonathan Willis: A resurgent Andrej Sekera gives the Oilers much-needed defensive options
  • Lowetide: Is Joe Gambardella destined to become the Oilers’ next Fernando Pisani?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland steadfast that buck stops with him as new Oilers GM.
  • Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • Jonathan Willis: What does the arrival of Ken Holland mean for the Oilers coaching search?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.

PIVOT!

Edmonton can ice a formidable group of centers on any given evening, but the desire for a No. 3 center who can contribute for less than $6 million is understandable. If Holland’s Oilers want to run a depth chart of McDavid, Nuge/Draisaitl, RHC, Colby Cave, the position can come in somewhere between $20-23 million in the coming season. If it’s 97-29-93-Cave? $28 million.

Marody becomes important. If he can deliver at the position, Edmonton’s shopping list is reduced. If he could add some chores, like PP, then he’ll add depth and balance to the roster.

Marody got hurt in the early games of the postseason, going 0-0-0 in four games. When he went down, the offense from his line (Benson, Currie) sputtered.

Comparable

When I do my Winter Top 20 for The Athletic, I have a segment on a comparable. Marody, who was my No. 6 prospect (here) in December eluded me. I would like to take another lash at a Marody comparable, or rather a few recent AHL players who performed in a similar fashion at the same age:

  • Cooper Marody Age: 21.736 Points-per-game: 1.10
  • Andrew Mangiapane Age: 21.449 Points-per-game: 1.18 (2017-18)
  • Nikita Scherbak Age: 21.712 Points-per-game: 1.15 (2017-18)
  • Mike Amadeo Age: 21.342 Points-per-game: 1.09 (2017-18)

In the year after they spent age 21 in the AHL, Mangiapane (44, 8-5-13), Scherbak (8, 1-0-1) and Amadeo (43, 6-7-13) all had some NHL time. On average, they delivered 32, 5-4-9 in the NHL at age 22. That might be a reasonable estimate for Marody in 2019-20.

Interesting list. Woodcroft would be a stunner, Gulutzan makes sense from a hit the ground running point of view, Nelson is the popular choice, I think it’s Tippett.

50-MAN LIST (LONG FORM)

1 G Mikko Koskinen. $4.5 million for three seasons beginning 2019-20. His .913 EV strength save percentage ranks No. 35 among goalies with 25+ NHL games. His .906 SP ranks No. 38 in the same pool. He is the starter for next season as of now. Sounds like Holland will add a substantial partner.

2 G Shane Starrett. RFA, his cap was $817,500 this season. I believe they’ll sign him and he’ll be No. 3 (AHL starter and first recall) on the depth chart. Starrett’s performance down the stretch was a key to the Condors best season.

3 G Dylan Wells. $745,000 this season, the first year of his entry deal. Two more years left at that amount. He was .907 in 11 AHL games, clearly ahead of Skinner through the regular season.

4 G Stuart Skinner. $784,166 this season, the first year of his entry deal. He was .879 in six AHL games. His best run in the season came in the playoffs, organization values him highly.

5 LD Oscar Klefbom. $4.167 million through summer 2023. A wonderful contract, his value increases with each additional deal signed throughout the league. His serpentine carries through the neutral zone remind me of Serge Savard, pray to the lord you believe in he doesn’t get Savard’s injury troubles.

6 LD Darnell Nurse. $3.2 million next season, then RFA. Nurse is a year away from being expensive, especially if he builds on his offense from this year (82, 10-31-41). He struggled with Russell on second pair, I believe he is the keeper in the group. Needs a partner.

7 LD Andrej Sekera. $5.5 million through 2021 summer. His return has been encouraging. Long road back but he was solid in 24 games. The offense wasn’t there (0-4-4) but I’d love to see him mentor the kids on that third pair. His cap number makes him vulnerable on this roster.

8 LD Brandon Manning. $2.25 million next year. I think they’d buy him out but burying him gets them halfway there.

9 LD Caleb Jones. $720,000 next season. He’s close to NHL-ready if not already there. That fact gives Holland options.

10 LD William Lagesson. $741,666 next season then RFA. A fascinating season. Lagesson was something stronger than a distant bell before the season started, but now he projects as a possible 2019-20 recall. The Oilers might have a player here.

11 LD Keegan Lowe. $675,000 next season. Lowe is the “AHL veteran” in this group but he’s a solid player at that level. Unlikely recall with all of the other lefties blossoming.

12 LD Dmitri Samorukov. His entry level deal starts this fall ($855,833). His OHL season was so strong he has achieved league-wide fame, to the point he was a popular ask at the trade deadline. I wrote about him for The Athletic, link above.

13 RD Adam Larsson. $4.166 million for two more seasons. Larsson had a tough season but remains the best RHD on the roster by some margin. I think Holland will value him highly, while also possibly being tempted to deal him. I feel better about Larsson returning now than before the GM hiring.

14 LD Kris Russell. $4 million for two more seasons. Russell’s value comes on the defensive side, with all kinds of disagreement about how much he helps. Plays off side, that impacts his effectiveness. He would be my trade preference.

15 RD Matt Benning. $1.9 million this and next season. I like his game (51.5 DFF in 207 minutes against elites) and would endorse his playing with Nurse on the second pair. It’s more likely he is traded this summer.

16 RD Joel Persson. $1 million this year and then RFA. A bit of an unknown and with Chiarelli gone he is a free-agent orphan. He has skill and smart people in Sweden believe he can make the jump.

17 RD Ethan Bear. $720,000 in his final entry year. Bear has a nice range of skills and finished his AHL season healthy and playing effectively. He is close to NHL-ready and could be trade bait.

18 RD Evan Bouchard. $925,000 entry deal kicks in this fall. My bet is he is in the NHL before New Year’s Day. He is going to open up all kinds of offense with those stretch passes.

19 RD Ryan Mantha. $870,000. Career up in the air. His eye injury hasn’t been updated.

20 LC Connor McDavid. $12.5 million through 2026. 41-75-116 this season and he missed four games. We’re probably in the range of peak Mcdavid, can he hit 125 points? 130? What could he accomplish with Leon on one wing and Brendan Gallagher (14.18 shots per 60 at 5-on-5) on the other?

21 LC Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. $6 million the next two seasons. His 2018-19 season (28-41-69) is his career best by some distance. Spent 34 percent of his season against elites. I love him as a player but he does not push the river.

22 RC Cooper Marody. $925,000 for two years. His scoring totals (58, 19-45-64) place him near the top of AHL hopefuls. Can also play wing. He has a clean shot at a roster spot at this time.

23 RC Kyle Brodziak. $1.15 million next season. I think there’s a good chance he’ll lose his NHL job and play in Bakersfield. PK work sunk him.

24 LC Colby Cave. $675,000 next season. There’s a chance Cave will take Brodziak’s place on the No. 4 line.

25 RC Josh Currie. $687,500 next season. He showed well, likely a recall option in 2019-20.

26 RC Tyler Vesel. RFA. His NHL deal was $735,000. Uncertain he will return, AHL totals (61, 5-13-18) pedestrian compared to other Condors.

27 RC Cameron Hebig. $759,166 next season. He started hot, then faded. Overall (64, 11-18-29) .

28 LC Colin Larkin. RFA, his NHL deal was $690K. I don’t think he’ll be qualified.

29 LC Ryan McLeod. Just signed his entry deal, $925,000 AAV. McLeod is that rare player who looks better in pro than in junior. He damn near made the Oilers last fall, going 0-3-3 in four games. After a pedestrian junior campaign, he impressed (5, 0-3-3) for the Bakersfield Condors in the playoffs. I believe he is a future checking center, not sure if No. 3 or No. 4. He’s a burner.

30 L Leon Draisaitl. $8.5 million through 2025 summer. A season for the ages, 50-55-105. The man doubled his goal total, and he was pretty damn good at 25 goals. You remember that 50-goal season, youngsters. Someday, maybe in 2050, Leon will be at Rogers talking about it and you’ll remember that moment with him.

31 LW Milan Lucic. $6 million through 2023 summer. Edmonton would love to get out from under this deal. His possession numbers have some positives, if he returns the new coach may find uses.

32 LW Tobias Rieder. $2 million, is now RFA. His return always, always felt like a good idea. In your life did you ever see something promising turn out so badly? I hope he scores 20 in 2019-20.

33 LW Jujhar Khaira. RFA. $675,000 last season. He shows up in good possession places and his offense is better than people credit him. Solid 4L and PK option.

34 LW Tyler Benson. $808,333 for two more years. The most impressive AHL season at 20 by an Oilers forward prospect since Dan Cleary. A lock to make the 2019-20 Oilers despite what everyone is saying.

35 LW Joe Gambardella. RFA, $725,000 in ‘18-19. I liked his NHL time, although there wasn’t enough offense. Gambardella’s forechecking is quality, I think he might be a PK option.

36 LW Nolan Vesey. $817,500 in 2019-20. He didn’t get a lot done.

37 LW Ostap Safin. $770,833 entry deal starts in the fall. Safin didn’t play much this season, you could make the case he lost a development year. Big season ahead.

38 RW Sam Gagner. $3.15 million in 2019-20. Gagner scored 1.74/60 at 5-on-5 while playing for the Oilers. Is that enough for the money? My current theory has them offloading him, I’d keep him around.

39 RW Zack Kassian. $1.95 million in 2018-19. Great season. Utility wingers who are fourth liners but can slide up to the No. 1 line are damned rare.

40 RW Jesse Puljujarvi. RFA, $925,000 last year. This young man has great potential but it doesn’t look like he has a mentor or inside champion. Holland can do the world a favour by placing him in a position to succeed.

41 RW Ty Rattie. RFA. Made $800,000 this year. It’s uncertain where he’ll land, Edmonton could walk him but he’s inexpensive and can provide offense.

42 RW Kailer Yamamoto. $894,166 for two more years. He didn’t taken a step forward this season. Injuries contributed, but next season will be a big one. Bet on his spending extended time in Bakersfield.

43 RW Kirill Maksimov. $770,833 entry deal starts in the fall. 40 goals in 63 OHL games is an impressive total. One of the more intriguing prospects turning pro this fall.

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146 Responses to "SATURDAY IN THE PARK"

  1. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    I’d be ok with them thinking outside the box on the coaching hire. I keep thinking of Jon Cooper type guys for example. He had no NHL head coaching resume when TB hired him, and that worked out great. There’s lots of other examples of first-time head coaches having success. Nelson would qualify in this group for me, but there are several other candidates.

  2. Glovjuice says:

    Down in the Park. What a fabulous song written by the genius; Gary Numan.

    Agreed, OP – I can’t wait to watch our future 1D win the Memorial Cup MVP over the next week. Its actually happening to the Oil for once (third round stud D).

  3. Reja says:

    Glovjuice:
    Down in the Park. What a fabulous song written by the genius; Gary Numan.

    Agreed, OP – I can’t wait to watch our future 1D win the Memorial Cup MVP over the next week. Its actually happening to the Oil for once (third round stud D).

    We’ve been wandering in the desert for almost 40 years (Paul Coffey) is he the one?

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yes, Guelph and Samorukov in action at 1:30 this afternoon. What better to do on a cold and rainy weekend day?

  5. Woogie63 says:

    What would Gulutzan highlight as his successes in an interview? He has underachieved at four teams now, what is the attraction?

    We have seen his best ….meh

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chiarelli got critisized heavily for his work at the 2017 deadline, however, he actually did a fantastic job given the pending UFAs he had to sell.

    At the deadline, Patrick Maroon was struggling big time and dealing with a bad back. His value was low. Yes, the immediate return was a 3rd round pick but Chiarelli was express right away that he was never going to make that pick and it was going to be flipped for a warm body – just a few weeks later it was flipped for Cooper Marody and the deal is proving to be value for that struggling and hurt pending UFA.

    Mark Letestu was a struggling 4C who could no longer PK, was getting caved at evens and had lost his PP acumen. He was flipped for Pontus Aberg. Sure, the handling of Aberg by the coach and later the manager is highly questionable but, again, really good value for that low value asset he had to sell.

  7. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    What better to do on a cold and rainy weekend day?

    Sheet my garage ceiling…you available?

  8. Reja says:

    Woogie63:
    What would Gulutzan highlight as his successes in an interview?He has underachieved at four teams now, what is the attraction?

    We have seen his best ….meh

    It’s gotta be the nice hair thing.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m guessing Jason Spezza on the cheap isn’t a good option for a bottom 6 center role, is he?

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    Not 100% convinced that Marody’s skills will translate to the NHL and, if they do, that he will be a center in the NHL.

    Not 100% convinced the other way either.

    There are bottom 6 spots available for the likes of Marody, Joe G, P. Russell, J. Currie, C. Cave. Who will win the day?

    As an aside, P. Russell is a Group VI UFA so is available to sign with any team. I assume the org would like to get him under contract and will do so in the next few weeks (if Russell is willing to re-sign with the org).

  11. Nit64 says:

    So LT:

    A bronze man still can tell stories his own way
    Listen children all is not lost, all is not lost, oh no, no

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    The perfect example that some still like to make decisions based off of small sample sizes are those, and they are out there, that don’t want to re-sign Shane Starrett based off his playoffs. Yes, he wasn’t great in the playoffs but he was one of the best goalies in the AHL through the entire season – potentially the AHL goalie of the year. His career trajectory is similar to that of Dave Rittich’s.

    Some even want to bring in Francouz as the 1B goalie due to his playoff heater. Starrett was the better AHL goalie last year.

    He is a no-brainer re-sign.

    In my opinion, if the org had an established starter that they know they could rely on for apx 60 games, then Starrett would have a real shot at the back-up job, however, given the complete unknown of Koskinen (and actual down arrows), we don’t have that and require an established back-up/1B at a higher price point.

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nurse is indeed 1 year away from being very expensive, however, at the same time, for this coming year, he provides a massive value contract. If only he had a true 2RD partner – how good would he be?

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    Presumably they could trade Manning with $1M retained? That would be similar on the cap to burying him but get rid of the contract on the 50. Burying veterans is never a great option – give the man a chance in another org (and maybe they could even bring Stanton back to continue mentoring the kids).

    Buyout isn’t egregious but I hate extending the term.

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    Although I’m confident that, subject to regression at camp, Jones will break camp with the Oilers over Lagesson, I put Lagesson right up there with Jones as far as NHL readiness and as far as potential impact to the roster. Of course, different type of impacts but I think Lagesson can and will have a material impact on the defensive group and, when developed, could play up in the 2nd pairing – Robyn Regher style.

    Jones’ ability to play both sides, at least at the AHL level, is a plus. I am comfortable with him at 3LD or 3RD, in particular if a guy like Sekera is at 3LD.

    As of now, he is in competition with Matt Benning.

    I put Bear behind those two as far as NHL readiness as he still struggles with speed and battles – tenacious forecheck teams give him problems. He is NHL ready with the puck on his stick and his shot is an absolute weapon. I’m not positive that the deficiencies will allow him to become anything more than a tweener though.

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard did wonderfully in his 8 games in the AHL – can’t argue with 8 points in 8 games. Of course, he had extremely sheltered minutes and didn’t take anything close to a regular shift at evens until Bear got hurt and, even then, was still used somewhat sparingly.

    He killed the minutes he did get – all he can do is pass the tests given to him.

    Next test, real minutes at the AHL level.

    LT, you may be right, he may be in the NHL by/at the turn of the calendar – I do think he will do well in the AHL.

  17. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Nurse is indeed 1 year away from being very expensive, however, at the same time, for this coming year, he provides a massive value contract.If only he had a true 2RD partner – how good would he be?

    Let’s package him with Lucic as a sweetener.

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    I wouldn’t go so far as to call Benson a lock to make the Oilers, we don’t know what type of forwards Holland will acquire and dispose of over the next few months.

    With that said, yes, there are likely jobs available in the top 6 and middle 6 and Benson will apply for them all and would anyone bet against him?

    Joe G. likely has an inside track at a bottom 6/4th line job – was Holland at the 5 point game? He’s a bit older and a more mature prospect but his fore check ability, tenacity, responsibleness and hockey IQ should translate to the NHL level in a 8-10 minute plus PK type role – if given actual NHL linemates on that fourth line.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    Is it up to Holland to put Jesse in a position to succeed or is that for the new coach?

    I would love to give him 40 plus AHL games along with Yamamoto (the entire year for Kailer) but we know that’s not an option.

    He will be in the NHL and, when he signed his $1.25M to $1.5M contract (hope for 2 years but likely one year), he will be a solid bet for a value contract.

    I’m not sure where in the top 9 he should/will go but I am convinced that, if given consistent minutes at 5 on 5, with somewhat consistent linemates, that he will take steps forward over the season and become a legit NHL player.

  20. Reja says:

    Pouzar: Let’s package him with Lucic as a sweetener.

    Nurse Lucic and Gagner the famous 3-1

  21. Tbags Funhouse says:

    Pouzar: Sheet my garage ceiling…you available?

    A Lowetide sanctioned “Screw gun and pitchfork party” at Pouzar’s place?

  22. who says:

    Lowetide:
    How much can Connor Brown help the Edmonton Oilers?

    https://theathletic.com/983330/2019/05/18/how-much-can-connor-brown-help-the-edmonton-oilers/

    Not much.
    Although the bar on the wing in Edmonton is not that high.
    He would probably improve the bottom 6 but I don’t think he’s a scoring option.
    Would Marody provide just as much offense if the Oilers moved him to wing? I don’t know.

  23. Ben says:

    OriginalPouzar: put Jesse in a position to succeed

    I hope I’m wrong, but I think we’re looking at Magnus Pajaarvi in JP. Some obviously impressive physical tools, but a stark lack of situational awareness. He’s ok defensively, but just makes consistently poor choices on the offensive side of the puck.

    He’s too young for any pronouncements, obviously. But I’m not sure that what he lacks is teachable.

    Also, how many of us (myself included) scoffed at Kekalainen after he picked Dubois 3rd? Looks pretty savvy now.

  24. Andy Dufresne says:

    If anyone missed yestersdays post, it was an awesome indepth conversation/debate regarding the Oilers defense with a particular focus on Matt Benning. With the groundwork laid out by LT’s original post and in depth stats packs via PuckIQ (thank you Woodguy) it was a well rounded well reasoned debate by all who participated (and there were many). Thank You All.
    Well worth the time, if you missed it.

  25. Andy Dufresne says:

    2019 NHL Entry Draft T minus 34 and counting

  26. Mr DeBakey says:

    Ben: Also, how many of us (myself included) scoffed at Kekalainen after he picked Dubois 3rd? Looks pretty savvy now.

    I didn’t scoff, I swore.
    i was looking at [hoping, praying…] the Oilers taking Dubois with their pick.

  27. Ben says:

    Mr DeBakey: I didn’t scoff, I swore.
    i was looking at [hoping, praying…] the Oilers taking Dubois with their pick.

    Sounds like it might’ve been Svechnikov for the OIlers at 4, but the various stories about potential trade dominos related to Columbus taking JP are pretty interesting.

  28. Munny says:

    Ben: I hope I’m wrong, but I think we’re looking at Magnus Pajaarvi in JP. Some obviously impressive physical tools, but a stark lack of situational awareness. He’s ok defensively, but just makes consistently poor choices on the offensive side of the puck.

    MPS’s biggest issue was a complete lack of hands, IMO. If MPS and Lucic were playing a game of Horse, book a week off.

  29. Bag of Pucks says:

    Did we ever get a winner confirmed for the Death March? Asking for a friend.

  30. Ben says:

    Munny: MPS’s biggest issue was a complete lack of hands, IMO.If MPS and Lucic were playing a game of Horse, book a week off.

    Haha!

    JP and MPS both had memorable pre-seasons where they lit up some pretty terrible goalies, too. Those 45-foot muffins just don’t have the same impact in the regular season.

  31. Munny says:

    LT said…

    Edmonton can ice a formidable group of centers on any given evening, but the desire for a No. 3 center who can contribute win a bloody faceoff for less than $6 million is understandable

    FTFY

  32. Primetime says:

    Ben: Sounds like it might’ve been Svechnikov for the OIlers at 4, but the various stories about potential trade dominos related to Columbus taking JP are pretty interesting.

    The Oil were locked on Sergachev as the choice. Trying to trade down as they felt they could get him a bit later. Flames looking to trade up to 4 for Tkachuk…all fell apart when Jesse was there at 4

  33. Munny says:

    Mark Stone is a helluva hockey player.

  34. Pouzar says:

    Munny:
    Mark Stone is a helluva hockey player.

    Proving slow boots can be improved. Great pick by the Sens.

  35. Bag of Pucks says:

    One thing that concerns me about Holland is that the Oilers Achilles Heel (goaltending) has been a position that’s challenged Ken in recent years as well. Bets like Howard and Mrazek weren’t appreciably better than Talbot or Koskinen.

  36. Munny says:

    Pouzar: Proving slow boots can be improved. Great pick by the Sens.

    Oh for sure. I’ve liked him for a long time, so it’s nice to see him get the POG today.

  37. digger50 says:

    I enjoy seeing the 50 man summary layed out, thanks LT

    Lots of talk around all the defenece prospects so far.

    As for forwards, for two years now there was a lot of talk on what youngsters would take a step forward and grab a position on wing. And then disappointment. This year we actually have evidence of performance that should project into NHL . (Benson, Gambardella, Marody)

    Now that the pressure is off, I would not be surprised at all to see Yamamoto challenge and a proper Puljujarvi challenge .

  38. Munny says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    A 5th round pick who delivered 3 of 4 seasons of .910 or better at the NHL level? That’s a pretty good bet.

    Holland was a goalie. I trust him more at that position than any of the last three GMs. Maybe anyone in the org since Low.

    Edit: That said, agreed, it is job #1.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Not much.
    Although the bar on the wing in Edmonton is not that high.
    He would probably improve the bottom 6 but I don’t think he’s a scoring option.
    Would Marody provide just as much offense if the Oilers moved him to wing? I don’t know.

    Nice rookie season for Marody as a pro but I don’t think its realistic at all to project him as providing as much offence as Connor Brown next season – Brown is a legit NHL player with some NHL scoring pedigree. I ilke Marody and who he can become part of the middle 6 (or at least bottom 6) going forward but there is a strong chance that he become nothing more than a tweener – we shall see.

  40. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m guessing Jason Spezza on the cheap isn’t a good option for a bottom 6 center role, is he?

    Nope. Spezza needs an offensive role. The Oilers have that covered multiple times over, including with Gagner. Don’t even need him as a veteran presence. Let him go “home” to Ottawa.

  41. digger50 says:

    So here is a different take on the MacTavish exit that I learned from a friend with some ties to the org. I don’t have insider info, not claiming that, but I thought it was interesting perspective.

    MacTavish was asked to step back and allow an experienced GM to step in. He would still run the farm team and be somewhat involved in the Oilers so that he could learn and grow his GM skills. There was discussion about him returning to the GM chair after developing and learning.

    MacTavish felt he had set the team up nicely for the draft.

    Peter comes in a royally screws things up. MacTavish is watching this experienced GM and is not impressed.

    Peter is out the door.

    Craig feels he has done a good job with the Condors , he’s been patient, and he has been a good soldier waiting for next opportunity.

    The discussions about him returning to the GM chair all dry up. He packs his bags.

    Might explain why he was sticking around in the first place, the Oilers are loyalists and a discussion like that would not be surprising. Then he leaves not because Holland comes in, but because he felt he was promised opportunity and then it did not materialize.

    No proof, but Interesting.

  42. Reja says:

    godot10: Nope.Spezza needs an offensive role.The Oilers have that covered multiple times over, including with Gagner.Don’t even need him as a veteran presence.Let him go “home” to Ottawa.

    Oilers need a couple of wingers that are half-assed skilled and go to the net.

  43. Bling says:

    OriginalPouzar: Nice rookie season for Marody as a pro but I don’t think its realistic at all to project him as providing as much offence as Connor Brown next season – Brown is a legit NHL player with some NHL scoring pedigree. I ilke Marody and who he can become part of the middle 6 (or at least bottom 6) going forward but there is a strong chance that he become nothing more than a tweener – we shall see.

    Better than a “nice” season. It was tremendous! And I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to expect Connor Brown-level production out of Marody.

    Brown at age 21 in the AHL: 0.85 PPG
    Brown at age 20 in the AHL: 0.8 PPG

    Marody at age 21 in the AHL: 1.1 PPG
    Marody at age 20 in the AHL (SSS): 1.0 PPG

    In his age 22 season, Brown put up 20 G and 16A in 82 games in the NHL.

    I think you absolutely have to give Marody a chance, skating be damned.

    In my limited viewing of him (NHL only), I saw a guy who was not fleet of foot but more than made up for it with his offensive decision making and deft passing. He could take and make a pass better than 3/4 of the team.

    Here’s a list of players who played for the Leafs who had similar seasons to Marody at age 21 in the AHL, PPG in brackets:

    Brown (0.85)
    Kapanen (0.86)
    Leivo (0.94)
    Johnsson (0.62)
    Hyman (0.63) **Age 22

    That’s a pretty good list of players. All of those guys have played top 6 roles (Leivo had to change cities to do so).

    I think development is a two-way street, in the sense that once a guy proves himself in the AHL, it is incumbent on the org to put them in a position to succeed (i.e. not on the 4th line for 5 minutes a game), as the Leafs have done.

    Asking Marody to go down to the AHL and be a PPG player again isn’t going to make him any better. He is clearly too good for that league. If he struggles and has to go back down, fine — but certainly he has done everything that could be asked of him, and IMO that ought to be rewarded.

  44. Munny says:

    Bling: I think development is a two-way street, in the sense that once a guy proves himself in the AHL, it is incumbent on the org to put them in a position to succeed (i.e. not on the 4th line for 5 minutes a game), as the Leafs have done.

    I am perfectly okay with him playing on the 4th line and getting 12 minutes a game, including some PP time.

    If he makes the Oil, he kind of makes Gagner redundant, I think. Some similar skills there.

    Really the problem with developing is him is finding roster players who can finish his passes. The bottom 6 isn’t exactly murderer’s row. Finding good wingers for him is the biggest need for putting him in a position to succeed.

  45. Pouzar says:

    Munny: Oh for sure. I’ve liked him for a long time, so it’s nice to see him get the POG today.

    He’s a certifiable Woodguy pisscutter. Heckuva player.

  46. Pescador says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Did we ever get a winner confirmed for the Death March? Asking for a friend.

    Currently the front runner is a verklempt bottle of Daniels Jack

  47. Munny says:

    Pouzar: He’s a certifiable Woodguy pisscutter. Heckuva player.

    Absolutely. He’s like Opposite Mike Hoffman.

  48. Andy Dufresne says:

    From the Urban Slang Dictionary

    Piss Cutter

    A soft military cap also referred to as an overseas cap, fore-and-aft cap, or garrison cover. Term is derived from the wearer’s head appearing to look like the tip of a penis.

    Whereas one word Pisscutter:

    This word was first uttered in Schreiber, Ontario and is used to describe the sheer awesomeness of something. It can be an idea, an object, a time in history, etc…to refer to a subject as being (a) pisscutter is to say that it is so awesome that it can actually perform the impossible act of cutting a stream of piss.

    Or,

    Some thing particularly impressive. An exclamation.
    Jeez, I had a pisscutter of a day!
    #fantastic#stunning#wonderful#unbelievable#enviable

    MORAL OF THE STORY: Some NHL Players are particularly impressive and some just wear funny looking hats.

  49. Reja says:

    Bling: Better than a “nice” season. It was tremendous! And I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to expect Connor Brown-level production out of Marody.

    Brown at age 21 in the AHL: 0.85 PPG
    Brown at age 20 in the AHL: 0.8 PPG

    Marody at age 21 in the AHL: 1.1 PPG
    Marody at age 20 in the AHL (SSS): 1.0 PPG

    In his age 22 season, Brown put up 20 G and 16A in 82 games in the NHL.

    I think you absolutely have to give Marody a chance, skating be damned.

    In my limited viewing of him (NHL only), I saw a guy who was not fleet of foot but more than made up for it with his offensive decision making and deft passing. He could take and make a pass better than 3/4 of the team.

    Here’s a list of players who played for the Leafs who had similar seasons to Marody at age 21 in the AHL, PPG in brackets:

    Brown (0.85)
    Kapanen (0.86)
    Leivo (0.94)
    Johnsson (0.62)
    Hyman (0.63) **Age 22

    That’s a pretty good list of players. All of those guys have played top 6 roles (Leivo had to change cities to do so).

    I think development is a two-way street, in the sense that once a guy proves himself in the AHL, it is incumbent on the org to put them in a position to succeed (i.e. not on the 4th line for 5 minutes a game), as the Leafs have done.

    Asking Marody to go down to the AHL and be a PPG player again isn’t going to make him any better. He is clearly too good for that league. If he struggles and has to go back down, fine — but certainly he has done everything that could be asked of him, and IMO that ought to be rewarded.

    It’s either shit are get of the pot both Marody and Benson are skilled forwards that are ready either give them a opportunity are trade them.

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Man, one year of pro and play them or trade them – that’s the Oiler fan way!

  51. Bling says:

    Munny: I am perfectly okay with him playing on the 4th line and getting 12 minutes a game, including some PP time.

    If he makes the Oil, he kind of makes Gagner redundant, I think.Some similar skills there.

    Really the problem with developing is him is finding roster players who can finish his passes.The bottom 6 isn’t exactly murderer’s row.Finding good wingers for him is the biggest need for putting him in a position to succeed.

    I completely disagree with that development model.

    Connor Brown, as per LT’s article, spent most of his first season with Matthews or Kadri. If you look at the Leafs model, when they decide a guy is ready, they tend to stick them in a top 9 role. Johnsson comes to mind, as does Hyman.

    After seeing Nail Yakupov, Jesse Puljujarvi, Anton Lander, and Linus Omark languish on the 4th line with limited minutes, I think we can say with a fair degree of certainty that it isn’t the way to develop a player.

    A 4th line role is not giving a projected scoring line player an opportunity. It is burying them and setting them up for failure.

  52. Bling says:

    Reja: It’s either shit are get of the pot bothMarody and Benson are skilled forwards that are ready either give them a opportunity are trade them.

    That’s extreme, but they should absolutely be given every opportunity to earn a spot given their excellent seasons.

  53. bwar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Nurse is indeed 1 year away from being very expensive, however, at the same time, for this coming year, he provides a massive value contract.If only he had a true 2RD partner – how good would he be?

    I once had a dream where Darnell Nurse played an extended period of time with Adam Larsson. Nurse put up a lot of points but looked awful doing so and the team went on a season ending slump.

    We’ve seen Nurse with a better partner and he wasn’t up to the task. That was as a first pairing player but still the results were not encouraging.

  54. Munny says:

    Bling,

    First of all, a lot of this is dependent upon coaching philosophy. Think of the Oilers original Kid Line. That was the 4th line. Horcoff spent his first couple of seasons on the 4th, learning. There’s more than one way to deploy a 4th line.

    Secondly, the other key here is who his linemates are. Do they have some skillz? Can they prevent him from getting his head caved in at EVs?

    Lander, for eg, was never going to be a top 6 NHL player. Starting him at the top off his potential (3C) would’ve been an error in my opinion. The problem with Oiler teams during the DoD is they were graduating players so fast, they never had any vet cover or offensive help.

    And if a guy is playing well within a game, you can nudge him up a line. If after a number of games he shows he can hack the QUALCOMP, you can nudge him up more permanently.

    You can give players on your 4th line 12 minutes a game fairly easily. You can work a player onto PP2… there’s plenty of ways to skin that cat. What you can’t do— and this has been an Oiler downfall (one of many)—is play a gifted prospect with the dregs.

    Nor should you ever play a player in the NHL before he’s learned how to handle the neutral zone and his own end (which should be handled in the A) . If he can do that, then the coach is going to feel waaaay more comfortable playing the forward on the 3rd. Unfortunately, most of the young Oilers you mentioned never got that seasoning.

    And Yak, Pujo… these guys didn’t start their careers on the 4th line, they got demoted there.

  55. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pouzar: Proving slow boots can be improved. Great pick by the Sens.

    Stone is 6’4 220 very smart and skilled.

    Marody Bear Currie are all undersized, all have skill, varying amounts of IQ, and a lack of explosiveness in skating.

    Marody is in the same boat as Gagner, he’ll have trouble sticking as a winger and isn’t physically suited to bottom 6. Bear won’t have the offense at the NHL level to be a one way specialist, Currie also doesn’t have the offense to be a specialist and may have enough jam for bottom 6 but the speed and size work against him, I don’t see him sticking for long.

    Certain teams could use and shelter any of them because they have skill, I think the Oilers need to get more fully capable players (given usage) before they can employ many tweeners, if they want to get better that is.

    Chiarelli could spot younger talent but couldn’t get all the parts at the same time for what a player would need at the NHL level.

    Slower players struggle now, smaller players have a real hill to climb. The easiest road for tweeners imo if skating is an issue is bigger skilled players. They can spot in with top 6 especially playoffs when things get more physical, they can drop down the lineup and can get jobs if they’re physical enough, D can be third pair.

    For example I see Lagesson as more likely to get more NHL games than Bear even if Bear is more skilled because he has more ways to find a role somewhere.

  56. bwar says:

    What if Nurse is the weak link holding Russell back?

  57. Pouzar says:

    bwar: I once had a dream where Darnell Nurse played an extended period of time with Adam Larsson.Nurse put up a lot of points but looked awful doing so and the team went on a season ending slump.

    We’ve seen Nurse with a better partner and he wasn’t up to the task.That was as a first pairing player but still the results were not encouraging.

    2017-2018 says hi.

  58. Pouzar says:

    bwar:
    What if Nurse is the weak link holding Russell back?

    Hi Rob.

    From Jonathan Willis:

    Darnell Nurse, 2016-17 to present at 5-on-5, with and without Kris Russell.

    Corsi w/: 46.2%
    Corsi w/o: 51.5%

    Shot share w/: 47.3%
    Shot share w/o: 51.5%

    Goals w/: 48.7%
    Goals w/o: 53.8%

    Expected goals w/: 48.1%
    Expected goals w/o: 51.9%

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    Go Guelph!

  60. Reja says:

    Bling: That’s extreme, but they should absolutely be given every opportunity to earn a spot given their excellent seasons.

    That’s the new NHL 5 or 6 players eat all the cap the rest of the team is filled with value contracts or cheap ELC contracts it’s either get in the game or be left behind.

  61. bwar says:

    Pouzar,

    Ok the Russell thing was just a joke but Nurse did not excel replacing Klefbom this season. Our record was something along the lines of 2-15-1 during Klefboms absence and after this coming season we are about to pay Darnell Nurse a first pairing salary to be an ok 2nd pairing guy.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bling:

    After seeing Nail Yakupov, Jesse Puljujarvi, Anton Lander, and Linus Omark languish on the 4th line with limited minutes, I think we can say with a fair degree of certainty that it isn’t the way to develop a player.

    A 4th line role is not giving a projected scoring line player an opportunity. It is burying them and setting them up for failure.

    Except Puljujarvi has played essentially no minutes on the 4th line

  63. Pouzar says:

    bwar:
    Pouzar,

    Ok the Russell thing was just a joke but Nurse did not excel replacing Klefbom this season.Our record was something along the lines of 2-15-1 during Klefboms absence and after this coming season we are about to pay Darnell Nurse a first pairing salary to be an ok 2nd pairing guy.

    Nurse was not good with Lars this year. He was a good in 17-18. Like WG says, shitty years happen so you need to use a larger sample size.

    Also, Nurse and Klef are closer than you think.

  64. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Man, one year of pro and play them or trade them – that’s the Oiler fan way!

    Holland is walking into a nice situation he will give his new coach every opportunity to win a Stanley cup next year.

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    bwar: I once had a dream where Darnell Nurse played an extended period of time with Adam Larsson.Nurse put up a lot of points but looked awful doing so and the team went on a season ending slump.

    We’ve seen Nurse with a better partner and he wasn’t up to the task.That was as a first pairing player but still the results were not encouraging.

    In 2017/18, Nurse and Larsson spent material time as a pairing, and played top pairing minutes – they sparkled – trying to watch some Samorukov so won’t dig in to the numbers now but the two of them ended up plus 10 and plus 15 on a negative team (while playing top pairing for much of the season).

  66. jp says:

    Bling: I completely disagree with that development model.

    Connor Brown, as per LT’s article, spent most of his first season with Matthews or Kadri. If you look at the Leafs model, when they decide a guy is ready, they tend to stick them in a top 9 role. Johnsson comes to mind, as does Hyman.

    After seeing Nail Yakupov, Jesse Puljujarvi, Anton Lander, and Linus Omark languish on the 4th line with limited minutes, I think we can say with a fair degree of certainty that it isn’t the way to develop a player.

    A 4th line role is not giving a projected scoring line player an opportunity. It is burying them and setting them up for failure.

    As Munny said it’s debatable that breaking young players in on the 4th line is a problem. And it’s also untrue that Omark, Yakupov and Puljujarvi were developed that way.

    Most common line mates (>100 min) for:

    Omark 10-11 (rookie season)
    Paajarvi
    Gagner
    Cogliano

    Yakupov 2013 (rookie season)
    Gagner
    Paajarvi
    Hemsky
    Horcoff

    Yakupov 13-14 (2nd season)
    Gagner
    RNH
    Eberle
    Perron
    Hemsky
    Hall
    Arcobello

    Puljujarvi 16-17 (rookie season – dropped it to 75 min together since he only played 28 games)
    Draisaitl
    Maroon
    McDavid
    Pouliot
    Lucic

    Puljujarvi 17-18 (2nd season)
    Lucic
    McDavid
    Strome
    Khaira
    RNH
    Draisaitl

    None of these players was set up for failure, and each got a more than fair chance to play with decent to very good players in their first years in the NHL.

  67. Westchester Oil says:

    Mr DeBakey,

    Agreed. PLD had the better numbers. The masses were fooled by JP”s size and success at the WJC. This is a clear example of the consensus being wrong.

  68. godot10 says:

    bwar:
    What if Nurse is the weak link holding Russell back?

    What if turkeys could fly?

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy:

    For example I see Lagesson as more likely to get more NHL games than Bear even if Bear is more skilled because he has more ways to find a role somewhere.

    Lagesson’s ability to skate and move the puck in addition to his Adam Larsson like defending put him well ahead of Bear for a real NHL career. You are correct!

    Bear has some great offensive abilities, in particular his shot is a weapon, however, there is a decent chance he becomes nothing more than a tweener.

  70. bwar says:

    Pouzar,

    I disagree on Nurse being anywhere near Klefbom but I did overlook 2017-18 Nurse-Larsson pairing. I do have a short memory that’s filled with a very overrated Darnell Nurse. Maybe I’m wrong but I do not think Nurse will be worth $6M for the 20-21 season.

  71. godot10 says:

    bwar:
    Pouzar,

    Ok the Russell thing was just a joke but Nurse did not excel replacing Klefbom this season.Our record was something along the lines of 2-15-1 during Klefboms absence and after this coming season we are about to pay Darnell Nurse a first pairing salary to be an ok 2nd pairing guy.

    Nurse replaced Klefbom fine. The problem was the defensemen who replaced Nurse, while Nurse was replacing Klefbom.

  72. leadfarmer says:

    Starett is going to be a victim of the numbers game
    Wells and Skinner need Ahl time
    Doesn’t have enough experience to be a nhl backup

  73. Pouzar says:

    bwar:
    Pouzar,

    I disagree on Nurse being anywhere near Klefbom but I did overlook 2017-18 Nurse-Larsson pairing.I do have a short memory that’s filled with a very overrated Darnell Nurse.Maybe I’m wrong but I do not think Nurse will be worth $6M for the 20-21 season.

    A couple of months back Woodguy did a very detailed analysis on Klef/Nurse. They are close.
    I will see if I can dig up the tweets.

    Nurse could price himself out of EDM but we have to be careful about our exuberance for our D prospects and their ability to replace him. Russell is already miscast as a 2nd pairing D-Man now if you lose Nurse you’d better find his replacement quick.

  74. Reja says:

    bwar:
    Pouzar,

    I disagree on Nurse being anywhere near Klefbom but I did overlook 2017-18 Nurse-Larsson pairing.I do have a short memory that’s filled with a very overrated Darnell Nurse.Maybe I’m wrong but I do not think Nurse will be worth $6M for the 20-21 season.

    Nurse and Kelfbom are possibly at their greatest trade bait at the moment and it would not surprise me if one of them is gone by this time next year it’s up to Holland to excrete as much value as possible.

  75. Yeti says:

    Reja: Nurse and Kelfbom are possibly at their greatest trade bait at the moment and it would not surprise me if one of them is gone by this time next yearit’s up to Holland to excrete as much value as possible.

    I’m afraid that we’ve had a GM all too willing to excrete value – he’s been shitting and pissing away talent for years.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Nurse replaced Klefbom fine.The problem was the defensemen who replaced Nurse, while Nurse was replacing Klefbom.

    and the d-man that replaced the Nurse replacement…. it really was a snowball effect.

    One great thing heading in to this coming season is that, for the first time in forever, the Oilers should have NHL ready players, skilled players, in Bakersfield waiting for their chance. When injuries to the top 4 happen, at least the replacement in to the lineup could end up being a positive player with a positive effect.

  77. Lowetide says:

    I’m fascinated by Holland’s history. He arrived in Detroit with things established and the organization drafted many solutions, signed the rest in free agency. When the cap world changed everything, they continued to draft replacements but hit no home runs and couldn’t sign all the free agents.

    Holland hasn’t made a big summer trade, well, Hasek in 2001. I’m not sure he will now.

  78. Reja says:

    Yeti: I’m afraid that we’ve had a GM all too willing to excrete value – he’s been shitting and pissing away talent for years.

    Pete had the keys and moulded his team made some really strange moves it’s a new day and a new dawn Holland will crush it he’s here for one reason and that’s to win in the McDavid and Leon era.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    I’m fascinated by Holland’s history. He arrived in Detroit with things established and the organization drafted many solutions, signed the rest in free agency. When the cap world changed everything, they continued to draft replacements but hit no home runs and couldn’t sign all the free agents.

    Holland hasn’t made a big summer trade, well, Hasek in 2001.I’m not sure he will now.

    Hasn’t he spoken in general terms about adding via free agency as opposed to trade? I truly think he realizes that he doesn’t have the asset base at this point to made trades to acquire valuable players and that, for this off-season, trades will be used to open up cap space and he will also not take on too much pain to do so.

    He was quite clear that the ultimate goal looks past this coming season.

  80. leadfarmer says:

    Not too worried about losing Starett
    More worried about when Jones Lagesson Bouchard Samurokov and maybe bear and Persson are needing NHL jobs in the next 12-24 months. Yes not all of them will make it but we’re still looking at dropping guys on waivers that we are not ready to drop
    And no I don’t think you will get to hide Samurokov in Bakersfield for 2 years

  81. GMB3 says:

    Ben: I hope I’m wrong, but I think we’re looking at Magnus Pajaarvi in JP. Some obviously impressive physical tools, but a stark lack of situational awareness. He’s ok defensively, but just makes consistently poor choices on the offensive side of the puck.

    He’s too young for any pronouncements, obviously. But I’m not sure that what he lacks is teachable.

    Also, how many of us (myself included) scoffed at Kekalainen after he picked Dubois 3rd? Looks pretty savvy now.

    Pajaarvi probably was better defensively. They both can’t shoot the puck worth a lick.

  82. Pouzar says:

    Yikes Samurokov

  83. Munny says:

    Lowetide:
    I’m fascinated by Holland’s history. He arrived in Detroit with things established and the organization drafted many solutions, signed the rest in free agency. When the cap world changed everything, they continued to draft replacements but hit no home runs and couldn’t sign all the free agents.

    Holland hasn’t made a big summer trade, well, Hasek in 2001.I’m not sure he will now.

    Agreed, he’s a real mystery when it comes to an actual hockey trade. He seems to like two part trades… acquire draft picks and then flip picks for players.

    One trade I think he will look at though his Ceci from OTT.

    If there was some way to send Russell to NAS for PK and then PK to OTT for Ceci, I’d have to stop and consider that action.

    Play Ceci in the 4 hole. Not sure what is Woodmoneys were, but OTT fans seem to think he was playing the tuffs way too much.

  84. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Man, one year of pro and play them or trade them – that’s the Oiler fan way!

    I don’t agree with trading them, but he has a point. They’ve earned an extended look with the team imo. Marody has a ton of skill, we lack skill. You’re adamant that JP deserves time with a skill center, I don’t see why Marody isn’t just as, if not more, deserving of that opportunity.

    I also wouldn’t be terribly opposed to starting them in the AHL and if the bottom six stutters to start the season, playing a Benson-Marody-JP (maybe?) kid line and give them an opportunity.

    It’s why I would be a fan of a Nelson hire, the verbal sorrounding him has always been about putting players in a position to succeed and being a motivator. The antithesis of Hitch and TMac.

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    Not too worried about losing Starett
    More worried about when Jones Lagesson Bouchard Samurokov and maybe bear and Persson are needing NHL jobs in the next 12-24 months.Yes not all of them will make it but we’re still looking at dropping guys on waivers that we are not ready to drop
    And no I don’t think you will get to hide Samurokov in Bakersfield for 2 years

    If we have concern about losing each of Lagesson, Bear and Jones on waivers in the next couple of years, then we are likely in very good shape.

    One of them is likely to go to Seattle in the expansion draft.

    Out of all the prospects listed, of course, 2 of those players replace Russell and Sekera within 24 months, one may replace Benning. One goes to expansion. Perhaps one is used as a sweetener in a Lucic disposition or used as dealine currency for a rental.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar:
    Yikes Samurokov

    Everyone falls down once in a while….

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Durzi having a hell of a game.

    Samorukov fairly quiet – couple of mistakes as well (well, one a fall and he was caught up ice on a chance against (after he created his own scoring chance).

  88. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I wouldn’t go so far as to call Benson a lock to make the Oilers, we don’t know what type of forwards Holland will acquire and dispose of over the next few months.

    With that said, yes, there are likely jobs available in the top 6 and middle 6 and Benson will apply for them all and would anyone bet against him?

    Joe G. likely has an inside track at a bottom 6/4th line job – was Holland at the 5 point game? He’s a bit older and a more mature prospect but his fore check ability, tenacity, responsibleness and hockey IQ should translate to the NHL level in a 8-10 minute plus PK type role – if given actual NHL linemates on that fourth line.

    The cap situation says LT’s prediction is more realistic, and Benson has already stated he will be working on improving his skating this summer,the kid is committed,and has NHL quality skills.

  89. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer:
    Not too worried about losing Starett
    More worried about when Jones Lagesson Bouchard Samurokov and maybe bear and Persson are needing NHL jobs in the next 12-24 months.Yes not all of them will make it but we’re still looking at dropping guys on waivers that we are not ready to drop
    And no I don’t think you will get to hide Samurokov in Bakersfield for 2 years

    They won’t all make it. The trick is identifying the right players to keep. I think Holland has a decent track record but haven’t checked.

  90. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Durzi having a hell of a game.

    Samorukov fairly quiet – couple of mistakes as well (well, one a fall and he was caught up ice on a chance against (after he created his own scoring chance).

    Samorukov does a lot of little things right. He’s on the inside of his man in front of the net, he is a little filthy and my goodness he skates well. +3 on the day.

  91. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: Nice rookie season for Marody as a pro but I don’t think its realistic at all to project him as providing as much offence as Connor Brown next season – Brown is a legit NHL player with some NHL scoring pedigree. I ilke Marody and who he can become part of the middle 6 (or at least bottom 6) going forward but there is a strong chance that he become nothing more than a tweener – we shall see.

    I dunno. How many goals did Brown score last year?
    I don’t have any illusions about Marody, but Brown doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade.

  92. Oilman99 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Not too worried about losing Starett
    More worried about when Jones Lagesson Bouchard Samurokov and maybe bear and Persson are needing NHL jobs in the next 12-24 months.Yes not all of them will make it but we’re still looking at dropping guys on waivers that we are not ready to drop
    And no I don’t think you will get to hide Samurokov in Bakersfield for 2 years

    The major problem is where are they going to find the cap room to keep Nurse next year.

  93. godot10 says:

    Oilman99: The major problem is where are they going to find the cap room to keep Nurse next year.

    Paying your core players is never a problem. Gagner comes off the cap. That should do it. $3.3+$3.1 is $6.4 million.

    Manning coming off the cap pays for Gagner’s replacement.

  94. Munny says:

    Munny: Play Ceci in the 4 hole. Not sure what is Woodmoneys were, but OTT fans seem to think he was playing the tuffs way too much.

    Fans look right. Ceci played more minutes against the Elites than any other defenseman, just over 40 percent of his total minutes. He got his head caved, but the whole Sens team got its head caved in.

    http://www.puckiq.com/teams/ott?season=20182019&tier=Elite&positions=d&min_toi=&max_toi=

  95. Reja says:

    Oilman99: The major problem is where are they going to find the cap room to keep Nurse next year.

    I say it might be Florida’s problem.

  96. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    who: I dunno. How many goals did Brown score last year?
    I don’t have any illusions about Marody, but Brown doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade.

    – I agree. At best he’s a third line guy. By the end of the playoffs he’s was 4rth line scratch.

    – He’s a nice little player- like what you hope Benson or Marody end up after 3 years in the NHL. Not a difference maker and not really high end but can play with skill and score some but not the attributes for a 4th line so when he got passed by others on the Leafs not much use for him on the 4th.

  97. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar: A couple of months back Woodguy did a very detailed analysis on Klef/Nurse. They are close.
    I will see if I can dig up the tweets.

    Nurse could price himself out of EDM but we have to be careful about our exuberance for our D prospects and their ability to replace him. Russell is already miscast as a 2nd pairing D-Man now if you lose Nurse you’d better find his replacement quick.

    Here’s the twitter thread: https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1095707947953340417?s=19

    It’s not in a format that’s conducive to cut n pasting it here as there is a ton of info

    I give Nurse’s and Klef’s results with and without McDavid, Larsson and Russell as well as combos therein

    I don’t tell you which Dman is which and had a poll for everyone to guess.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: The cap situation says LT’s prediction is more realistic, and Benson has already stated he will be working on improving his skating this summer,the kid is committed,and has NHL quality skills.

    I’m not sure what point of mine regarding Benson you are trying to counter.

  99. Wilde says:

    Has anyone mentioned Hronek yet?

    Similar type of post-draft explosion as Samorukov (significantly better points-wise), Holland had him in Grand Rapids for the full 2017-18, and then he split the next year 46 bigs 31 minors

    Hronek was drafted 53rd to Samorukov’s 84th, Samorukov 7 1/2 months younger, so if you track Samurokov’s last-half-season-plus-playoffs scoring rate and then put that up against Hronek’s 2016-17 you’re probably looking at a close race actually

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=180904

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: I dunno. How many goals did Brown score last year?
    I don’t have any illusions about Marody, but Brown doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade.

    An upgrade on who? On Marody?

    Maybe Marody can come in and provide some middle six offence – at the same time, there is one material thing that could hold him back – his skating – that’s an issue a guy like Connor Brown does not have.

  101. Oil2Oilers says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    From the Urban Slang Dictionary

    Piss Cutter

    A soft military cap also referred to as an overseas cap, fore-and-aft cap, or garrison cover. Term is derived from the wearer’s head appearing to look like the tip of a penis.

    Whereas one word Pisscutter:

    This word was first uttered in Schreiber, Ontario and is used to describe the sheer awesomeness of something. It can be an idea, an object, a time in history, etc…to refer to a subject as being (a) pisscutter is to say that it is so awesome that it can actually perform the impossible act of cutting a stream of piss.

    Or,

    Some thing particularly impressive. An exclamation.
    Jeez, I had a pisscutter of a day!
    #fantastic#stunning#wonderful#unbelievable#enviable

    MORAL OF THE STORY: Some NHL Players are particularly impressive and some just wear funny looking hats.

    This is a pisscutter of a comment

  102. defmn says:

    Lowetide: Samorukov does a lot of little things right. He’s on the inside of his man in front of the net, he is a little filthy and my goodness he skates well. +3 on the day.

    That’s what I saw today as well although it is the first time I have seen him other than highlights.

    The other thing I liked is that when he goes into the corners he comes out of the scrum with the puck more often than not. It doesn’t always look sexy or clean but he has the puck and the other team doesn’t.

    It’s a skill I think is important for a dman.

  103. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I agree. At best he’s a third line guy. By the end of the playoffs he’s was 4rth line scratch.

    – He’s a nice little player- like what you hope Benson or Marody end up after 3 years in the NHL. Not a difference maker and not really high end but can play with skill and score some but not the attributes for a 4th line so when he got passed by others on the Leafs not much use for him on the 4th.

    What attributes for a fourth line player are you speaking of?

    Tyler Ennis attributes?

  104. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: An upgrade on who?On Marody?

    Maybe Marody can come in and provide some middle six offence – at the same time, there is one material thing that could hold him back – his skating – that’s an issue a guy like Connor Brown does not have.

    Yes, On Msrody.
    I’ve never considered Connor Brown fast. Looks like an average NHL skater to me

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: The major problem is where are they going to find the cap room to keep Nurse next year.

    I don’t think this is a valid reason to trade him this year – the premise that he’s such a good player he’s going to be too expensive in the future so we should trade him now simply doesn’t work for me.

    Of course, if there is a trade that makes sense, pull the trigger but, at the same time, I don’t see a trade that makes the team better this year not involve a player that is or is going to be just as expensive. Not to mention, if that player is expensive already, how do we fit him in this year?

    Any Nurse trade likely makes sense next off-season when, presumably, we have more prospects ready and the potential for at least one of them to be top 4 ready. Its not like his trade value is likely to decrease unless he has a terrible year – any GM that acquires him now knows darn well that apx amount its going to take to sign him.

    Not to mention, the cap space looks to be much better year over year (unless Holland makes mistakes) – Russell/Sekera, whichever is not moved before should be fully moveable. Manning, gone. Gagner, gone. Benning, an RFA.

  106. Reja says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I agree. At best he’s a third line guy. By the end of the playoffs he’s was 4rth line scratch.

    – He’s a nice little player- like what you hope Benson or Marody end up after 3 years in the NHL. Not a difference maker and not really high end but can play with skill and score some but not the attributes for a 4th line so when he got passed by others on the Leafs not much use for him on the 4th.

    Holy smokes are you ever selling Benson short u pick the over under on him next year because he will be in the top6-9 barring injury

  107. Reja says:

    who: Yes,On Msrody.
    I’ve never considered Connor Brown fast. Looks like an average NHL skater to me

    Trade him for Benning both teams get what they want.

  108. russ99 says:

    Everyone wants our prospects to improve and impact the big club, the sobering truth is not many of them eventually do. I like LTs NHL games played line in the sand.

    But one thing we absolutely need to stop doing from the Chiarelli era is leaving gaping roster spots open and assuming specific prospects can fill them. The NHL roster should be a franchise’s first priority.

    The 3rd or 4th line need not be where players end up, but everyone needs to start somewhere preferably sheltered against top comp.

  109. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    A main reason a cap system was implemented by the league was to create precisely this problem: Talent costs money. You only have so much money to spend. It helps spread out the talent throughout the league, theoretically. It has major flaws, but this was one intent.

    Whether you agree or it does or doesn’t work for you is moot. This is the reality of the situation. If we can’t afford Nurse, we have to do some kind of asset reclamation.

    Chicago had this problem (which they tried to illegally circumvent). However, their prospect and development system was able to cope with losing Sharp, Panarin, Saad, Buff, etc.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yes, I that that and there very well may be a time when we need to move on from Nurse but I don’t think that time is now (subject to a trade that is a clear win now and in the future).

    That trade would be made, just as the player is entering his prime, in anticipation of issues a year in advance. The team has cap issues right now, today, and Nurse, for one more year, provides a massive value contract. Additionally, give or take Sekera, there is no current internal option for the top 4 and, even if Sekera is able to replace Nurse (and he may) we would lose our one injury cover.

    I would think that a trade would make sense when there are internal options to replace him and there is a chance that could start as soon as next off-season. Its reasonable to project that at least one or two of the prospects will indeed be NHL ready this year but not for the top 4. Its not unreasonable to think that there could be one (or more) ready for top 4 for the 2020/21 season. At that time, trade Nurse for value without the need to spend assets to replace him or create huge additional risk on the back end.

  111. jp says:

    So are we concerned that Holland traded Nick Jensen away 3 months ago? Was this discussed already?

    Jensen’s had nice results over the past 3 yrs in Det, this year facing 46% elites, but was sent to the Caps for Bowey and a 2nd just before the deadline.

    IIRC at least some here thought it was a big win for the Caps, getting a legit top 4 D for that price. Thoughts? Concerns?

  112. Pescador says:

    russ99,

    100% but there’s only so much you can accomplish in one offseason.
    Draisaitl – 97 – Kassian
    Benson – 93 – New Holland Guy.
    I want 3- top 6, speedy, veteran scoring wingers on cheap contracts as much as the next guy.
    But that’s not realistic.
    -Top 6 winger
    -2RD
    -Quality backup
    if Holland can fill those roster spots this summer, that would be spectacular given the cap situation

  113. defmn says:

    Pescador,

    I would also consider that a successful off season.

  114. who says:

    Reja: Trade him for Benning both teams get what they want.

    I would gladly make the Brown for Benning deal but I wonder if the Leafs would.
    Probably more likely to cost a pick or a prospect.

  115. Lowetide says:

    jp:
    So are we concerned that Holland traded Nick Jensen away 3 months ago? Was this discussed already?

    Jensen’s had nice results over the past 3 yrs in Det, this year facing 46% elites, but was sent to the Caps for Bowey and a 2nd just before the deadline.

    IIRC at least some here thought it was a big win for the Caps, getting a legit top 4 D for that price. Thoughts? Concerns?

    I think it’s a worthwhile conversation for sure, beginning with quality of return.

  116. Reja says:

    Jethro Tull:
    OriginalPouzar,

    A main reason a cap system was implemented by the league was to create precisely this problem: Talent costs money. You only have so much money to spend.It helps spread out the talent throughout the league, theoretically. It has major flaws, but this was one intent.

    Whether you agree or it does or doesn’t work for you is moot. This is the reality of the situation. If we can’t afford Nurse, we have to do some kind of asset reclamation.

    Chicago had this problem (which they tried to illegally circumvent). However, their prospect and development system was able to cope with losing Sharp, Panarin, Saad, Buff, etc.

    Sometimes you have to take off the binders until Nurse can figure out and this goes for kelfbom as well on how to be on the right side in front of the net can’t teach it either they figure it out or they don’t. Also both get back doored way to much for the number of games they have played. Who knows Nurse could peak at 29 and play till 40 same with Kelfbom. It’s going to be a interesting spring and Holland with the help from his laid back coach will Guide us into the playoffs.

  117. Reja says:

    who: I would gladly make the Brown for Benning deal but I wonder if the Leafs would.
    Probably more likely to cost a pick or a prospect.

    If Holland puts the the kid over his knee the trades done. Seriously Holland has to have a few markers that he can call in it’s a pretty small top one percent best job in the world elite club and Holland is sitting at the head table.

  118. jtblack says:

    RNH “. I love him as a player but he does not push the river.”

    Appreciate the honest assessment.

  119. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Yes, I that that and there very well may be a time when we need to move on from Nurse but I don’t think that time is now (subject to a trade that is a clear win now and in the future).

    That trade would be made, just as the player is entering his prime, in anticipation of issues a year in advance.The team has cap issues right now, today, and Nurse, for one more year, provides a massive value contract.Additionally, give or take Sekera, there is no current internal option for the top 4 and, even if Sekera is able to replace Nurse (and he may) we would lose our one injury cover.

    I would think that a trade would make sense when there are internal options to replace him and there is a chance that could start as soon as next off-season. Its reasonable to project that at least one or two of the prospects will indeed be NHL ready this year but not for the top 4. Its not unreasonable to think that there could be one (or more) ready for top 4 for the 2020/21 season. At that time, trade Nurse for value without the need to spend assets to replace him or create huge additional risk on the back end.

    I cannot think of 1 single reason to trade Nurse & keep Sekera.
    Offload Russell this season
    Offload Sekera next summer
    That’s $9.5 Mil for Nurse’s next contract even if you buyout Sekera next summer that’s still $7.5 Mil

  120. Craig Zonit says:

    I’ll take a stab at the Jensen trade, LT.
    Jensen was a pending UFA coming off a two year, $1.6 mil deal. His first full season in the NHL in 2017-18 saw him produce 81-0-15-15.
    52.5 DFF% overall in fairly easy minutes (28% TOI against elites).
    2018-19 for Detroit, he owned souls. Thrown to the wolves for 46.6% TOI against elites (right up there with Chara etc) and was very successful, 53.6 DFF%. Much easier qualcomp on Washington and middling DFF results suggest he was still finding his way, overall positive in GF% though.
    My read is a useful player indeed, running hot likely, early days.

    Bowey and a 2020 2nd. Bowey was 53rd overall in 2013. Six years out from his draft. Offence not his calling card, 4 years in junior, parts of three years in Hershey, and just learning at the NHL level with 22P in 100GP. Nothing to indicate a high ceiling with this prospect and the time is now to stick in the NHL.

    To me, it’s good value if Jensen wasn’t going to resign. Detroit has lots of cap space. Jensen at 4x$2.5mil has the potential to be a real value deal for the Caps, who need it.

    edit: thanks to PuckIQ

  121. Professor Q says:

    jtblack:
    RNH “. I love him as a player but he does not push the river.”

    Appreciate the honest assessment.

    Perhaps he slightly Nuges the river?

  122. jp says:

    Craig Zonit:
    I’ll take a stab at the Jensen trade, LT.
    Jensen was a pending UFA coming off a two year, $1.6 mil deal. His first full season in the NHL in 2017-18 saw him produce 81-0-15-15.
    52.5 DFF% overall in fairly easy minutes (28% TOI against elites).
    2018-19 for Detroit, he owned souls. Thrown to the wolves for 46.6% TOI against elites (right up there with Chara etc) and was very successful, 53.6 DFF%. Much easier qualcomp on Washington and middling DFF results suggest he was still finding his way, overall positive in GF% though.
    My read is a useful player indeed, running hot likely, early days.

    Bowey and a 2020 2nd. Bowey was 53rd overall in 2013. Six years out from his draft. Offence not his calling card, 4 years in junior, parts of three years in Hershey, and just learning at the NHL level with 22P in 100GP. Nothing to indicate a high ceiling with this prospect and the time is now to stick in the NHL.

    To me, it’s good value if Jensen wasn’t going to resign. Detroit has lots of cap space. Jensen at 4x$2.5mil has the potential to be a real value deal for the Caps, who need it.

    edit: thanks to PuckIQ

    Yeah I didn’t realize he was a pending UFA, that changes things for sure. Agree there’s not much to indicate Bowey will be a player of note at this point, but nothing wrong with that return if Jensen wasn’t interested in re-signing.

    The deal he signed with Washington suggests Detroit could likely have retained him he they’d seen the value though. On the surface it seems like it might be a Petry lite situation, but Holland got considerably more value than the Petry return for a player that cost his new team less than half the cap hit. It will be interesting to see whether his performance with Detroit this year was legit.

  123. Craig Zonit says:

    jp,

    Good follow up. Did Detroit see the value and want to retain him is the million dollar question, of course. Stay tuned.

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    Guelph and Halifax late this afternoon at 5!

  125. London Jon says:

    Pescador: I cannot think of 1 single reason to trade Nurse & keep Sekera.
    Offload Russell this season
    Offload Sekera next summer
    That’s $9.5 Mil for Nurse’s next contract even if you buyout Sekera next summer that’s still $7.5 Mil

    I can. The return will be higher.

    Surely you find out what the best return is on Russell, Sekera, Nurse and Klefbom then make a decision…

  126. JimmyV1965 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    OriginalPouzar,

    A main reason a cap system was implemented by the league was to create precisely this problem: Talent costs money. You only have so much money to spend.It helps spread out the talent throughout the league, theoretically. It has major flaws, but this was one intent.

    Whether you agree or it does or doesn’t work for you is moot. This is the reality of the situation. If we can’t afford Nurse, we have to do some kind of asset reclamation.

    Chicago had this problem (which they tried to illegally circumvent). However, their prospect and development system was able to cope with losing Sharp, Panarin, Saad, Buff, etc.

    But they never traded their core forwards or dmen. Today, Nurse is one of our top two dmen.

  127. London Jon says:

    JimmyV1965: But they never traded their core forwards or dmen. Today, Nurse is one of our top two dmen.

    I would disagree with that.

    In my opinion he is comfortably behind Klefbom, a little behind last years Larsson and comfortably behind 2016 Sekera.

    I think now could be a great time to trade Nurse. Before he starts asking for £6.5m plus and thereby loses a lot of value

  128. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Guelph and Halifax late this afternoon at 5!

    Apparently Lavoie is still impressing. Any chance he might slide up, instead of down, after these playoffs?

  129. Bling says:

    jp,

    You’re right about Omark and Yak, I stand corrected.

  130. Bling says:

    On Nurse:

    His improvement has been real and spectacular.

    Very committed to improving his game. Yes there is still some wobble, but he also hasn’t had a real partner. With a real second pair RHD, this d corps is very, very good.

    Don’t forget that a healthy and effective Klefbom/Larsson unit was one of the better D pairings in the league the year of the playoff run.

  131. ArmchairGM says:

    godot10: Paying your core players is never a problem.Gagner comes off the cap.That should do it. $3.3+$3.1 is $6.4 million.

    Manning coming off the cap pays for Gagner’s replacement.

    People make this harder than it needs to be. It’ll work out fairly simply.

  132. ArmchairGM says:

    Pescador: Benson – 93 – New Holland Guy.

    Why does it have to be a farmer?

  133. ArmchairGM says:

    who: I would gladly make the Brown for Benning deal but I wonder if the Leafs would.
    Probably more likely to cost a pick or a prospect.

    Benning has more value than Brown, hands down. Anyhow, Toronto wants a 1RD or 2RD, they don’t want or need Benning. They also need cap relief… I think the proper course of action is to offer them a 4th round pick for Brown and leave it at that. If we decide to trade Benning he should return a 2nd, or an NHL-ready forward prospect with a later pick.

  134. Jethro Tull says:

    JimmyV1965: But they never traded their core forwards or dmen. Today, Nurse is one of our top two dmen.

    The fact that Nurse is one of the Oilers top 2 D is one problem with the Oilers. At the moment he should be 4th or 5th and trending up.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    London Jon: I would disagree with that.

    In my opinion he is comfortably behind Klefbom, a little behind last years Larsson and comfortably behind 2016 Sekera.

    I think now could be a great time to trade Nurse. Before he starts asking for £6.5m plus and thereby loses a lot of value

    I don’t think he’ll lose alot of value next off-season when he’s asking for that type of money. We all know he is going to be and any manager acquiring him now would know the same.

    The only real loss in value as between this year and next year is that, next year, the extreme value contract year will be gone – at the same time, that is extremely valuable to the Oilers this season, you know, if we are trying to get better – we are in cap hell and need value contracts.

    To me, this is not the time to sell on Nurse in anticipation of him being expensive in 2020/21. Except for possibly Sekera, we have no replacement for Nurse at 2LD. If Sekera is filling that spot, and he may be able to do a fabulous job, we’ve lost all injury cover for the top 4.

    It truly looks like there could be anywhere from 1 to 5 prospect d-men ready to play in the NHL this year but its not reasonable to project any of them in to the to 4 this year. On the other hand, it is reasonable to project that at least one may be top 4 ready for 2020/21 – isn’t that the time to sell on Nurse, when our depth is ready to replace him?

    Doing it now creates a hole.

  136. pts2pndr says:

    Reja: Trade him for Benning both teams get what they want.

    You never trade with Toronto unless they give a big overpay. The Toronto media already trash Edmonton for incompetence on a weekly basis. There is no way a sane person would risk a trade that would give them more ammunition to destroy the Oiler brand.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q: Apparently Lavoie is still impressing. Any chance he might slide up, instead of down, after these playoffs?

    I dunno – I’ve barely seen him play. I watched a bit of the game on Friday but not enough to really get a sense of him. Always beware of forwards from the Q (although performance in the M. Cup should be meaningful but too small a sample to be really meaningful.

  138. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t think he’ll lose alot of value next off-season when he’s asking for that type of money.We all know he is going to be and any manager acquiring him now would know the same.

    The only real loss in value as between this year and next year is that, next year, the extreme value contract year will be gone – at the same time, that is extremely valuable to the Oilers this season, you know, if we are trying to get better – we are in cap hell and need value contracts.

    To me, this is not the time to sell on Nurse in anticipation of him being expensive in 2020/21.Except for possibly Sekera, we have no replacement for Nurse at 2LD. If Sekera is filling that spot, and he may be able to do a fabulous job, we’ve lost all injury cover for the top 4.

    It truly looks like there could be anywhere from 1 to 5 prospect d-men ready to play in the NHL this year but its not reasonable to project any of them in to the to 4 this year.On the other hand, it is reasonable to project that at least one may be top 4 ready for 2020/21 – isn’t that the time to sell on Nurse, when our depth is ready to replace him?

    Doing it now creates a hole.

    Nurse has not tapped out on potential. Best bet is a good value long term contract.

  139. Reja says:

    pts2pndr: You never trade with Toronto unless they give a big overpay. The Toronto media already trash Edmonton for incompetence on a weekly basis. There is no way a sane person would risk a trade that would give them more ammunition to destroy the Oiler brand.

    You are exactly right it’s just been so long since somebody actually kinda wanted one of our Journeyman players. I do think Connor would score 20 goals on the Oilers we need forwards and we need to get rid of someone on D our we’re going to lose a prospect D without even finding out what we have.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: Nurse has not tapped out on potential. Best bet is a good value long term contract.

    I agree – I see Nurse on our blueline for the next decade – his contract is going to be an issue though – would anyone be surprised if he thinks it should start with a 7 if its for term?

  141. Reja says:

    pts2pndr: Nurse has not tapped out on potential. Best bet is a good value long term contract.

    I think he’ll be asking 7×7 glad his agent isn’t negotiating with Pete.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: You are exactly right it’s just been so long since somebody actually kinda wanted one of our Journeyman players. I do think Connor would score 20 goals on the Oilers we need forwards and we need to get rid of someone on D our we’re going to lose a prospect D without even finding out what we have.

    We aren’t losing any of those prospect D until next October (via waivers) so there is a full season to see what we have.

    Given NHL teams generally use 10 plus d-men in a season, each of Jones, Lagesson and Bear will get their reps.

    There is no need to make room for them until they prove they are ready. With that said, if there was a deal that made sense for Benning, and maybe Brown is it, I wouldn’t be adverse.

  143. defmn says:

    I think a lot of this speculation about Nurse and his next contract hinges on whether or not Sekera returns to form. What does the LD look like if he reclaims his spot in the pecking order.

    And I know the argument is that he is getting old. He is still 3 years younger than Giordano and I don’t think anybody is pencilling him in for the 3rd pairing this fall.

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    Man, Samorukov continues to make strong plays in his own zone – eventually Durzi bombs one home from the point to tie it up late.

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a goal by Lavoie – a big M. Cup may boost his draft ranking. Not sure if he’ll get in to the top 10 but who knows.

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