The 2017 Draft

I had a good feeling about the 1979 draft in the second week of October, same year. Kevin Lowe scored the first goal in franchise NHL history on October 10, and Mark Messier scored a late tying goal against Detroit on October 13. The draft in the modern era is a very different world, but I have a good feeling about the 2017 draft. No Messier, maybe not even a Lowe, but some excellent bets, and some of them outside the first round. Let’s discuss.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: Ken Holland’s Oilers could go the high octane procurement route but will need a driver
  • New Lowetide: How much can Connor Brown help the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Dmitri Samorukov is off to the Memorial Cup and is the Oilers’ fastest rising prospect
  • Jonathan Willis: Craig MacTavish leaves the Oilers, signalling the first major front office change under Ken Holland
  • Lowetide: What kind of coach should Ken Holland hire for the Oilers?
  • Jonathan Willis: Every Oilers AHL prospect, rated by how close they are to the NHL
  • Jonathan Willis: A resurgent Andrej Sekera gives the Oilers much-needed defensive options
  • Lowetide: Is Joe Gambardella destined to become the Oilers’ next Fernando Pisani?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland steadfast that buck stops with him as new Oilers GM.
  • Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • Jonathan Willis: What does the arrival of Ken Holland mean for the Oilers coaching search?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.

2017 DRAFT REVISITED

No. 22 overall: R Kailer Yamamoto, Spokane Chiefs (WHL). I had him No. 11 on my final list, and the offense delivered in his draft year warranted the number. He hasn’t delivered at the same levels, but remains the top forward prospect in the system to my eye. He needs a strong, healthy season in 2019-20, much like Tyler Benson did one year ago. One of his comparables age 20 is Jake DeBrusk. There’s still hope.

No. 78 overall: G Stuart Skinner, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). He had a pedestrian first year pro, with some impressive playoff games to tease the next episode. Scott Wheeler draft day: Skinner is huge. In today’s NHL, with the right goalie coach, that mean’s anything is possible. He was great in last year’s (WHL) playoffs and has shown in spurts that he can be the kind of goalie Lethbridge hoped he be when they took him in the first round.

No. 84 overall: LD Dmitri Samorukov, Guelph Storm (OHL). A big mobile defender who blossomed in his draft +2 season and now looks to be a real find. You never know with defensemen but he is mobile, moves the puck well and is very physical. He may one day play in the NHL and his style would be a nice fit with Evan Bouchard. He was terrific in a shutdown role at the Memorial Cup game last night against Halifax.

No. 115 overall: R Ostap Safin, Sparta Praha (Czech). I had him in my second round (No. 52) for the 2017 draft. Corey Pronman: “At 6-foot-5, he has very good feet for a big man, with an easy first few steps.” Safin lost most of the season to injury, but he’s a bit of a truck (which has its uses). Safin doesn’t look fabulous from here, but give him a healthy season and let’s see what we’re dealing with then.

No. 146 overall: R Kirill Maksimov, Niagara Ice Dogs (OHL). Size, speed, skill. Scored 34 and then 40 goals in his post-draft seasons, would have to be considered a strong candidate for heavy work on Condors skill lines next season. 40 OHL goals is equivalent to 19.4 goals in 68 AHL games. That’s a nice resume.

No. 177 overall: C Skyler Brind’Amour, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). His career trajectory since draft day has been USHL to a lesser league (BCHL) where he has yet to reach a point per game. I remain curious about this selection, it will be good to see his progress in college.

No. 208 overall: RHD Phil Kemp, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). Good skater, defense first, blocks a lot of shots. Chiarelli drafted kids from the development team and it paid off in Caleb Jones, this fellow appears to be another solid choice.

FREE AGENT DOLLAR PREDICTIONS

Matt Cane projected free agent signings in 2018 spring and his numbers drew all kinds of responses. He’s good! Here are his predictions for players Edmonton signed.

1 Tobias Rieder (Cane est: $1,906,711) (Actual: $2 million)

2 Kyle Brodziak (Cane est: $1.537 million) (Actual: $1.150 million)

3 Alex Chiasson (Cane est: $1.104 million) (Actual: $650,000)

Cane’s now doing diabolical work with Dellow as the New Jersey Devils prepare to take over the world. I like the prices on Brett Connolly ($3.5 million), Jesse Puljujarvi ($1.393 million), Jujhar Khaira ($1.15 million) and would add Brian Elliot (estimate $2.4 million). Capfriendly tells me Edmonton has $10.7 million in available cap (here), so that’s $7.5 million spent and the rest would be used to fill out the roster. Money is tight, unless Holland can offload Lucic. This year’s numbers are here.

HOLLAND’S TRADES

An item in the comments section surrounding a trade between Edmonton and Detroit was being discussed yesterday. The trade was Nuge for Anthony Mantha. It’s an interesting deal, Mantha is two years younger and $2.7 million less expensive (final year before RFA). Nuge is two years from free agency, basically same spot as Eberle the summer he was traded. Nuge may be traded this summer, so in that way it’s an interesting conversation. I wonder if Yzerman would be more willing to trade Athanasiou.

The 2019 draft

I’ll be spending quite a bit of time on the draft this week, posting final numbers from each league, etc. A reminder, my final list will be published June 1, here.

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  1. Jethro Tull says:

    I don’t think Holland trades Nuge……that would virtually say to the new coach that Drai HAS to play center.

    There are more expendable players.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Ken Holland’s Oilers could go the high octane procurement route but will need a driver

    https://theathletic.com/984564/2019/05/20/ken-hollands-oilers-could-go-the-high-octane-procurement-route-but-will-need-a-driver/

  3. Oil2Oilers says:

    Stitching together the two athletic articles this morning from LT and Willis;

    Reg’s legs are looking great and is capable of top 4 minutes and LT wants Kasperi Kappen.

    Nurse for Kappen? For me the Leafs should have to add a sweetener.

    Reg mentoring Persson/Bouchard, Jones Benning capably covering 3 pair minutes.

  4. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jethro Tull:
    I don’t think Holland trades Nuge……that would virtually say to the new coach that Drai HAS to play center.

    There are more expendable players.

    – I don’t think this team is a cup contender unless Drai amd CMD are Cs on their own lines

    – It could happen quick. One of ST-Louis or Sharks is going to be in Cup and they were both below us in the standings for a good chunk of the year. No one called that. The consensus is this team is a few years away. Hockey is too volatile to ascribe any degree on confidence on the predictions of how a team is going to do.

  5. who says:

    Of all the guys you list in the Athletic piece, Ehlers is the guy that interests me the most.
    It would cost a lot to get him, Klefbom or Nurse probably, but he is the one guy on that list who can really drive play. Has the speed to back off defenders, and the puck skills to carry it through the neutral ice and make a play in the ozone. He’s also not afraid to shoot the puck and can beat goalies with an outside shot. I think he would look great on Nuges wing.
    Also love the fact he is signed for 6 more years at 6 million. Cost certainty right through his prime years. That’s a big deal.

  6. Oilman99 says:

    Based on his play at the worlds, I cant see Detroit ever entertaining the idea of trading Mantha, the guy is their future. He is a main building block of their rebuild. Ehlers is the type of player that is great in the regular season, but struggles when the going gets tough during the playoffs. Size with skill is a priority if a team wants to succeed come the post season.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    The 2017 draft is looking very solid to very good for the Oilers. Its way too early on pretty much all of these prospects but my take so far:

    Yamamoto – Even Arrow

    I think the organization did a diservice to this players by giving him NHL games in his draft plus 1 year and, even moreso, in his draft plus 2 year. For one, I think it put some unreasonable expectations of the fanbase on his speed of development but, moreso, it has made it tough for his to gain traction in any league. It seems that, when Kailer is switched between leagues/teams, it takes him a bit of time to settle in but, once he does, he has been a plus player in both junior and the AHL. It took him a while to settle in the AHL once finally placed there for good but, once he did, he showed that he is a plus player at the AHL level. He started to drive offence playing on a non-skill line with Vesel and Esposito – creating scoring chances shift after shift. His PPG is OK, not great, but he was scoring at higher levels in the 2nd half of his AHL stint as opposed to his first half. The damn injuries have been an issue and I would suggest that if he played the entire season in the AHL, he’d be much further ahead and would have produced at similar rates to Benson and Marody. Assuming health, that is what I project for next year. I truly hope he is assigned to Bakersfield in October no matter what he does in camp and exhibition and left there until at least the turn of the calendar.

    Lets not forget, this was a 22nd overall pick, not a top 10 or a top 5 pick – 2-3 years post draft of development prior to the NHL is a reasonable timeline.

    Stuart Skinner – Even Arrow:

    Last year at this time, Skinner had an absolute direct up arrow after a solid second half of the WHL season (after the trade) and an unreal playoff – out-deuling Carter Hart of all goalies in the WHL final. He had an up and down first season pro shuffled between the ECHL and the AHL but showed well in the AHL playoffs with one real solid start and a couple of OK back-up performances. No worries at all, we are talking about a rookie pro tender, 20 years old – these guys generally take 3-4 years of pro.

    Ostaf Safin – Down Arrow:

    Just an awful season for the big man. Hurt in camp. Hurt early in the season and missed the majority of it. A complete non-factor since he came back near the end of the regular season and in the playoffs. He was always going to be a project and he continues to be just that. I wouldn’t be against an over-age season in the Q next year given this year was, for the most part, a complete disregard. I think he likely starts next season in Wichita.

    Krill Maksimov – Up Arrow:

    I think what many that don’t follow the prospects or the OHL very closely may not realize is that Maksimov is not just an offensive player. He is a strong 2-way player that is responsible in all zones and is a plus penalty killer. His stats didn’t take a huge jump year after year but he essentially volunteered to take on less of the offensive load this year on a powerful Niagara team and be more of a two-way, shut down PK player with the offence. He did so brilliantly. He will be a bit of a project and may never be more than a tweener, however, if he does “make it”, there is a chance he could put up some big goal totals – his shot is NHL plus ready. He’s got a great release and an accurate shot. A lesser Ovie, Stamkos, etc. from the top of the faceoff circle. The best shot in the Oilers system since Jason Arnott

    Skyler Brind’Amour – Even Arrow:

    Given he was a 6th round pick, I’m not sure what should be expected. He did almost double his point total this year but we are talking the BCHL and I think his offence is dwarfed by Khaira’s in the same league and that is not a great think

    Phil Kemp – Up Arrow

    Kemp is a real prospect – Miles to go but he’s got a shot. Making the US World Junior team is something for a 7th round pick but he ended up earning more minutes and being a material player in their top 4.
    Samorukov – Up Arrow:

    I don’t think I can say much more about this player than I have over the last few months and yesterday. If anyone watched the game last night and saw his unreal performance in the defensive zone, its tough to keep the excitement to a level amount. Miles to go but he may be the most exciting prospect in the system.

  8. jp says:

    Professor Q:
    If he’s forced out to the ECHL (has he signed, yet?), then that wouldn’t necessarily be bad either. It would just suck as he never really gelled with Halifax in time. Aside from the current AHL and ECHL goalies, have we ever had anyone with hopeful NHL potential start in the ECHL and move up the ranks?

    He could stay in the Q for sure. That might be the best option if it’s available.

    In terms of starting a non-goalie prospect of any note in the ECHL, I can’t think of any. Mark Arcobello and Josh Currie eventually made the ECHL to AHL to NHL (for a time) trek, but it’s not common. And definitely not a good arrow for a skater on ELC (he did sign with the Oilers last year).

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maybe I should get some work in the NHL as well as I have predicted:

    – Puljujarvi at $1.25M to $1.5M

    – Khaira at $1.2M

    – Elliot at $2.25M

    Don’t get me wrong, Brian Elliot doesn’t excite me as a back-up/1B but he is an established veteran that has the ability to carry the load for material stretches of time if/when Koskinen goes cold – he’s not a goalie that can be relied on for 60 strong starts but as a 1B and a guy that could play 8 out of 10 a couple of times a year – that is a job he could excel at.

    Puljujarvi at $1.5M or less has a strong chance to be a massive value contract. Of course, maybe he doesn’t take a step, yet again, but i will bet that, if the coach gives him the consistent minutes and linemates he should get, he does take a step – its quite common for this to happen with high skill 21 year old kids. Go Jesse.

  10. who says:

    Oilman99:
    Based on his play at the worlds, I cant see Detroit ever entertaining the idea of trading Mantha, the guy is their future. He is a main building block of their rebuild. Ehlers is the type of player that is great in the regular season, but struggles when the going gets tough during the playoffs. Size with skill is a priority if a team wants to succeed come the post season.

    How about we make the playoffs first?
    I’ll take my chances with Ehlers once we get there.

  11. jp says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    Stitching together the two athletic articles this morning from LT and Willis;

    Reg’s legs are looking great and is capable of top 4 minutes and LT wants Kasperi Kappen.

    Nurse for Kappen? For me the Leafs should have to add a sweetener.

    Reg mentoring Persson/Bouchard, Jones Benning capably covering 3 pair minutes.

    Are you suggesting a Sekera-Persson/Bouchard 2nd pair and a Jones-Benning 3rd pair?

  12. Ribs says:

    Nuge about to go full Datsyuk. Yeah, we should probably trade him.

    Yuck.

  13. godot10 says:

    Instead of Nurse for Ehlers.

    What about Sekera (I would prefer Russell, but Chevy isn’t stupid) for Perreault instead?

    Sekera for Perreault.
    Benning for JT Miller (modulo stuff)
    Sign Hainsey for one season

    Nelson as coach

  14. digger50 says:

    We need that other top 6 driver that can become part of the core.

    Trading Nuge or Nurse doesn’t help. We need them as well. and fans dam well want to succeed with Nuge.

    So the answer lies in prying a player loose from a cash strapped team and to do that the currency they want is a first round draft pick and emerging prospects.

    The draft is an exciting time for Oil fans as it has been all we look forward to, but this year I really want to see that pick go in a package to bring us that “new” Taylor Hall type driver.

  15. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I don’t think this team is a cup contender unless Drai amd CMD are Cs on their own lines

    – It could happen quick. One of ST-Louis or Sharks is going to be in Cup and they were both below us in the standings for a good chunk of the year.No one called that.The consensus is this team is a few years away. Hockey is too volatile to ascribe any degree on confidence on the predictions of how a team is going to do.

    Both SJ and St Loo are very very deep teams though, and were both fashionable preseason picks to do some damage in the postseason.

    With the Sharks, Jones was underwhelming in the regular season as was Karlsson. Both have been much better in the playoffs. The Blues changed their forward mix substantially bringing in guys like O’Reilly and Bozak and Jake Allen was absolutely brutal. Bennington lifted all boats and Berube has been the perfect tonic for a team that needs to be loose and aggressive to generate consistent offense.

    If I’m the Oil, this Cinderella playoff is discouraging not encouraging, because all the teams doing well have been properly built with depth and size throughout the lineup.

    Holland may be the perfect fix for a team that has been very poor at prospect development, and the bottom 9 is a lot easier fix than the Top 3. But he needs a LOT of pieces and the clock is ticking on Nuge. Holland’s starting a ways back imo. If he can trade Russell without cap retained and find a creative way to spur JPs development, those will be excellent starts. To my eye, Saros looks to be the heir apparent in Nashville but I wonder if he’s potentially frustrated by the prospect of another year behind Rinne? He’d be a player worth targeting in a big way if there is an appetite for him to be a starter now. The danger there obviously is a trade with Poile. He’s as good as it gets at horse trading.

  16. RumBurgundy says:

    digger50,

    This is where we should be but Chia did not leave us in a position to do so, cap wise.

  17. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Anton Lander bombs home a one-timer in the third period to draw Sweden level with Latvia in a game the Swedes realistically need a point or they’re in trouble. (they now lead 4-3 on a Patric Hornqvist goal)

    Lander now at <6 GP, 4-4-8, +6 & firmly among the top 20 scorers centring a third line betwen Loui Eriksson & Adrien Kempe. He also leads the tournament in faceoff percentage.

    Just caught up on yesterday's discussion about this player, long a personal favourite. It enrages me how absolutely fucking hopeless the Oilers have been at identifying useful players within the organization for roles they ty to solve, more expensively, with outsiders who inevitably are no better and usually worse than the guys they overlook right within their own system. Look at every decent NHl team and they got a bunch of home grown guys in depth roles. The Oilers? Not so much.

  18. Professor Q says:

    Ribs:
    Nuge about to go full Datsyuk. Yeah, we should probably trade him.

    Yuck.

    I hope that it’s the opposite of the Hall trade.

    We never saw the Hall trade coming. It happened.

    Everyone except the brightest of us want to trade Nuge. He stays forever.

  19. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Great Britain roars back from 0-3 deficit to beat France 4-3 in OT in final game for both teams. Britain stays up, France relegated.

  20. flyfish1168 says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Anton Lander bombs home a one-timer in the third period to draw Sweden level with Latvia in a game the Swedes realistically need a point or they’re in trouble. (they now lead 4-3 on a Patric Hornqvist goal)

    Lander now at <6 GP, 4-4-8, +6 & firmly among the top 20 scorers centring a third line betwen Loui Eriksson & Adrien Kempe. He also leads the tournament in faceoff percentage.

    Just caught up on yesterday’s discussion about this player, long a personal favourite. It enrages me how absolutely fucking hopeless the Oilers have been at identifying useful players within the organization for roles they ty to solve, more expensively, with outsiders who inevitably are no better and usually worse than the guys they overlook right within their own system. Look at every decent NHl team and they got a bunch of home grown guys in depth roles. The Oilers? Not so much.

    I would still take Anton back and over Brodziak

  21. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Needing a regulation win, Latvia ties it 4-4 late, come close several times on a powerplay caused by a failed offside challenge, pull their goalie going for the win, but Sweden hits the empty net with 30 seconds left to win it 5-4.

    Two barnburners this morning.

  22. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Great Britain roars back from 0-3 deficit to beat France 4-3 in OT in final game for both teams. Britain stays up, France relegated.

    Just like the war.

  23. Reja says:

    This is no slight against Stevie Y remarkable career but RNH always reminded me of a poor man’s version of him.

  24. Bruce McCurdy says:

    flyfish1168: I would still take Anton back and over Brodziak

    Well yeah. It seems like the internal guys get rated more on what they can’t do than what they can. Only when they go to other orgs for a while do they again become desirable (Brodziak, Rieder, Gagner).

    Lander turned 28 last month. Last time the Oilers kept a draft pick through his 28th brithday was Ales Hemsky for pete’s sake.

  25. who says:

    godot10:
    Instead of Nurse for Ehlers.

    What about Sekera (I would prefer Russell, but Chevy isn’t stupid) for Perreault instead?

    Sekera for Perreault.
    Benning for JT Miller (modulo stuff)
    Sign Hainsey for one season

    Nelson as coach

    Winnipeg is trying to get rid of salary, Not take more on.

  26. Bruce McCurdy says:

    PS: Not just the org, judging by how many fans want to trade guys like Darnell Nurse

    The grass is always greener, eh

  27. flyfish1168 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Well yeah. It seems like the internal guys get rated more on what they can’t do than what they can. Only when they go to other orgs for a while do they again become desirable (Brodziak, Rieder, Gagner).

    Lander turned 28 last month. Last time the Oilers kept a draft pick through his 28th brithday was Ales Hemsky for pete’s sake.

    Just winning a faceoff on the PK or important times of the game was a constant problem when Kyle was out there. Anton seems to always produce on the PK and PP. Would be good 4th liner. Can’t be any slower than Kyle. But long run I prefer a younger player with speed

  28. Reja says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Well yeah. It seems like the internal guys get rated more on what they can’t do than what they can. Only when they go to other orgs for a while do they again become desirable (Brodziak, Rieder, Gagner).

    Lander turned 28 last month. Last time the Oilers kept a draft pick through his 28th brithday was Ales Hemsky for pete’s sake.

    I’m still choked they got rid of Kirk Maltby loved what he brought every game especially the playoffs.

  29. Professor Q says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    PS: Not just the org, judging by how many fans want to trade guys like Darnell Nurse

    The grass is always greener, eh

    It seems like it is perpetual here. Always a trade to be made for Edmonton in the Oilogosphere, hole-making be damned.

  30. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Anton Lander bombs home a one-timer in the third period to draw Sweden level with Latvia in a game the Swedes realistically need a point or they’re in trouble. (they now lead 4-3 on a Patric Hornqvist goal)

    Lander now at <6 GP, 4-4-8, +6 & firmly among the top 20 scorers centring a third line betwen Loui Eriksson & Adrien Kempe. He also leads the tournament in faceoff percentage.

    Just caught up on yesterday’s discussion about this player, long a personal favourite. It enrages me how absolutely fucking hopeless the Oilers have been at identifying useful players within the organization for roles they ty to solve, more expensively, with outsiders who inevitably are no better and usually worse than the guys they overlook right within their own system. Look at every decent NHl team and they got a bunch of home grown guys in depth roles. The Oilers? Not so much.

    I wasn’t a supporter inyesterday’s thread of Lander (despite pulling for him) but your point is excellent about who they replaced with.

    I also mentioned in that thread the Oilers have a long history under OBC of turning on especially forward prospects fast if they get up to the big team and don’t start shooting the lights out – regardless of NHL scoring norms per age and usage, how weak the team was etc. Or destroy the opposition physically and become their magic Lucic bean.

    Lander may be an NHL tweener, and Slepy, but I’d rather have them than the guys they went with in many cases. Zero patience, and awful evaluation and asset management. As we know.

  31. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Reja: I’m still choked they got rid of Kirk Maltby loved what he brought every game especially the playoffs.

    At least they got a material young player in Dan McGillis for Maltby. Oilers had a ton of depth forwards at that time & needed to shore up the D. The Maltby trade accomplished that, which is more than can be said about the dumping of other bottom sixers of the era such as Ray Whitney (sobs) & Miro Satan (cries out in anger). McGillis helped the Oil for a while, then became the key asset int he rade that brought Janne “Spazz” Niinimaa.

    That said, the fullness of time suggests that Detroit & Holland clearly won the Maltby deal. Loved him as an Oiler, hated to see him go, always secretly rooted for him in Detroit even as he played like an asshat at times.

  32. jake70 says:

    Lowetide: Just like the war.

    Haha, I just thought of a good outdoor game – Hockey power houses Great Britain and France on the Plains of Abraham in Quebec City, middle of January. Each period would be “17:59” duration.

  33. Ribs says:

    Professor Q: I hope that it’s the opposite of the Hall trade.

    We never saw the Hall trade coming. It happened.

    Everyone except the brightest of us want to trade Nuge. He stays forever.

    Here’s hoping. It’s hard to imagine a scenario where they “win” a trade involving Nuge. Holland needs to find a way to keep the top 3 guys and add some help. I can’t see them being competitive otherwise.

  34. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Trading from the core is not likely to make a team short on NHL players better overall.

    Trade prospects. Nearly every team needs D. The Oilers have a lot of left D, but don’t deal off the top of the deck.

    There has to be a RC that can win faceoffs that isn’t an elite expensive player. Find him.

    Most teams also don’t have the luxury of spending like the Oilers regardless of the cap. They have revenue issues first. I am hopeful in that Holland knows the league and everyone in it. He knows who’s hurting and where.

    Perhaps for once the OIlers could find a value trade (involving quality, I’m not talking sending Lucic for Huberdeau etc), but using non core assets, and make the team better instead of bleeding out more.

    We’ve heard the cap as the reason bad trades were made, let’s have it go our way for once without an overpay.

  35. godot10 says:

    who: Winnipeg is trying to get rid of salary,Not take more on.

    Winnipeg will likely be losing a defensemen or two this summer. Winnipeg will be saving money overall because Sekera will replace a departing defensemen.

    i.e. Sekera’s cap is less that Perreault’s plus Myer’s cap.

    i.e. Sekera plus Tanev will be roughly the same as Perreault plus Myers. So net neutral to the cap.

    A lot depends on what pieces Winnipeg intends to sign, move, etc.

    The Oilers should be looking at the less sexy salary cap casualty free agent forwards, like Perreault and JT Miller, not top tier ones. The top tier ones won’t come at a discount.

  36. Pouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    PS: Not just the org, judging by how many fans want to trade guys like Darnell Nurse

    The grass is always greener, eh

    Remember when all we had were wingers and bitching and moaning we didn’t have d-men?
    I miss those days.

  37. Munny says:

    godot10: Winnipeg will likely be losing a defensemen or two this summer. Winnipeg will be saving money overall because Sekera will replace a departing defensemen.

    i.e. Sekera’s cap is less that Perreault’s plus Myer’s cap.

    i.e. Sekera plus Tanev will be roughly the same as Perreault plus Myers.So net neutral to the cap.

    A lot depends on what pieces Winnipeg intends to sign, move, etc.

    The Oilers should be looking at the less sexy salary cap casualty free agent forwards, like Perreault and JT Miller, not top tier ones.The top tier ones won’t come at a discount.

    The defensemen they lose will be RHD not LHD. Nurse is going to get paid and Seksy is already getting paid.

    Jets will want a cheap blue chip prospect for Ehlers, either at F or RHD. And likely a pick(s).

    Our offer should start with Pujo, and end with not a lot more than that… perhaps Bear, perhaps some middling picks or a combo thereof.

    If that doesn’t bring Ehlers, fine, move on.

  38. Munny says:

    As an addendum to my post above, I am still high on Pujo and consider him a blue chip prospect.

    But he seems unhappy with the org, and trading him for Ehlers moves the age needle. Moves the roster spot from a developing player to a developed player. I think it has to be considered.

    Jets would have some interest because of the relationship/history between Laine and Pujo (obviously). It might not be the best offer they get, or they may have another cap solution, but I’m not into winning bidding wars (see Hall, Taylor). Make your pitch, be willing to add a little sweetener… and leave it at that.

  39. HT Joe says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    The grass is always greener, eh

    The grass is always greener on the other side because it is fertilized with bullshit.

  40. defmn says:

    Pouzar: Remember when all we had were wingers and bitching and moaning we didn’t have d-men?
    I miss those days.

    I do. It was common knowledge then that wingers were easy to pick up and less valuable than all the other positions. 😉

  41. Pescador says:

    Reja:
    This is no slight against Stevie Y remarkable career but RNH alwaysreminded me of a poor man’s version of him.

    Interesting I’ve always thought of Nuge like a poor man’s Sakic.
    Either way trading Nuge is just such a terrible idea

  42. Pescador says:

    Pouzar: Remember when all we had were wingers and bitching and moaning we didn’t have d-men?
    I miss those days.

    No centers either
    Good times

  43. Pescador says:

    who: How about we make the playoffs first?
    I’ll take my chances with Ehlers once we get there.

    I would too, there’s definitely some recency bias against the player.
    Ehlers got crushed earlier on in the playoffs and his head smashed into the boards. The team removed him for concussion protocol and he wasn’t the same player for the rest of the series.
    He probably should have sat the playoffs out y’know that whole future brain damage thing that gets ignored.

  44. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Well yeah. It seems like the internal guys get rated more on what they can’t do than what they can. Only when they go to other orgs for a while do they again become desirable (Brodziak, Rieder, Gagner).

    Lander turned 28 last month. Last time the Oilers kept a draft pick through his 28th brithday was Ales Hemsky for pete’s sake.

    This has been a huge part of the team’s failure. The few players we do draft that are useful end up getting punted. And yet we still get multiple posts daily about trading Nurse.

  45. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    PS: Not just the org, judging by how many fans want to trade guys like Darnell Nurse

    The grass is always greener, eh

    Lol. Didn’t see this post yet when I first responded.

  46. Munny says:

    Pescador,

    Also fractured his foot in Game 5 vs the Blues, and gutted out playing Game 6.

  47. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: Winnipeg will likely be losing a defensemen or two this summer. Winnipeg will be saving money overall because Sekera will replace a departing defensemen.

    i.e. Sekera’s cap is less that Perreault’s plus Myer’s cap.

    i.e. Sekera plus Tanev will be roughly the same as Perreault plus Myers.So net neutral to the cap.

    A lot depends on what pieces Winnipeg intends to sign, move, etc.

    The Oilers should be looking at the less sexy salary cap casualty free agent forwards, like Perreault and JT Miller, not top tier ones.The top tier ones won’t come at a discount.

    I think Russell makes more sense. Their contracts are basically identical.

  48. Biggus Dickus says:

    Finally. First time being able to log into the site in months. Throws a 404 error every time. Anyway, sorry if I’m late to the party, but I’m really excited MacT is in Russia. The Oilers now have a double agent over there who can groom prospects for them. This is where Nurse and Benson should have been playing. My only concern is that it’s too good of a league,, and that the oilers can’t throw tons of prospects there because it isn’t a development league.

  49. JimmyV1965 says:

    Pescador: I would too, there’s definitely some recency bias against the player.
    Ehlers got crushed earlier on in the playoffs and his head smashed into the boards. The team removed him for concussion protocol and he wasn’t the same player for the rest of the series.
    He probably should have sat the playoffs out y’know that whole future brain damage thing that gets ignored.

    He also had a broken foot. The reason he’s not at the Worlds. Might have slowed him down slightly.

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    Stitching together the two athletic articles this morning from LT and Willis;

    Reg’s legs are looking great and is capable of top 4 minutes and LT wants Kasperi Kappen.

    Nurse for Kappen? For me the Leafs should have to add a sweetener.

    Reg mentoring Persson/Bouchard, Jones Benning capably covering 3 pair minutes.

    I am on board with Reg being able to regain his form as a top 4 d-man, however, if Nurse is traded and Reg replaces him then the cover is completely gone and, once the first injury to the top 4 happens, things may snowball down in a hurry:

    – we lose that top 4 player
    – a 3rd pairing player moved up to the top 4
    – an AHL player moves to the bottom 6

    Thankfully, for the first time in, well, forever, the AHL player moving in to the lineup is likely a skilled player who is NHL ready – but still.

    There is a chance that, at some point, the team may need to trade a core player like Nurse in order the help balance the roster, however, to me, it seems that time is at least a year away. If Nurse is traded for a forward now, there is great risk on the back-end and we lose a massive value contract for a year.

    I’m not saying to trade Nurse next off-season but, if it happens at that time, it likely helps the cap (given Nurse will start to be quite expensive) and, at that time, there is a decent chance of an internal option (prospect) ready for the top 4 – be it Jones, Lagesson, Bouchard, Bear, Persson – all have a shot at being NHL ready this season but not legit top 4 ready.

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99:
    Based on his play at the worlds, I cant see Detroit ever entertaining the idea of trading Mantha, the guy is their future. He is a main building block of their rebuild. Ehlers is the type of player that is great in the regular season, but struggles when the going gets tough during the playoffs. Size with skill is a priority if a team wants to succeed come the post season.

    I would suggest being careful of putting too much stock in to small sample size tournaments and, in particular, small sample size tournaments with a huge disparity in competition.

    Mantha is doing great at the Worlds and is a good hockey player – he will also be 25 come the start of next year and never produced more than 48 points. Yes, he is a piece of the DET rebuild, however, he is far from untouchable and Yzerman would pull the deal on a Nurse trade in less than a split second I am sure.

    As far as “can’t produce in the playoffs” – again, beware of small sample sizes.

    A month ago, Jordan Eberle was too small and soft to produce in the playoffs – not any more.

    After 30 playoff games, Datsyuk was a playoff bust – not after.

  52. blainer says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    PS: Not just the org, judging by how many fans want to trade guys like Darnell Nurse

    The grass is always greener, eh

    It’s really nuts to trade Nurse at this time in his career. We took a long time to develop this player and he is now finally about to enter his prime. This is a very valuable player.. if we are trading him now we better be getting something very good coming back.

    The only person or player type I would consider is Nylander on TO. He is a RT shot center who wins faceoff’s and puts up some decent numbers other than his contract year due to sitting out.

    Even then I’d have to think long and hard about it. I will say though Nylander would really change things up front and doubt he would even be available after next year as I see him putting up big numbers.

    Would love to get this player without giving up Nurse though.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    We need that other top 6 driver that can become part of the core.

    Trading Nuge or Nurse doesn’t help. We need them as well. and fans dam well want to succeed with Nuge.

    So the answer lies in prying a player loose from a cash strapped team and to do that the currency they want is a first round draft pick and emerging prospects.

    The draft is an exciting time for Oil fans as it has been all we look forward to, but this year I really want to see that pick go in a package to bring us that “new” Taylor Hall type driver.

    but the Oilers are a “cash strapped team” – well a “capped out team”

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks: Both SJ and St Loo are very very deep teams though, and were both fashionable preseason picks to do some damage in the postseason.

    With the Sharks, Jones was underwhelming in the regular season as was Karlsson. Both have been much better in the playoffs. The Blues changed their forward mix substantially bringing in guys like O’Reilly and Bozak and Jake Allen was absolutely brutal. Bennington lifted all boats and Berube has been the perfect tonic for a team that needs to be loose and aggressive to generate consistent offense.

    If I’m the Oil, this Cinderella playoff is discouraging not encouraging, because all the teams doing well have been properly built with depth and size throughout the lineup.

    Holland may be the perfect fix for a team that has been very poor at prospect development, and the bottom 9 is a lot easier fix than the Top 3. But he needs a LOT of pieces and the clock is ticking on Nuge. Holland’s starting a ways back imo. If he can trade Russell without cap retained and find a creative way to spur JPs development, those will be excellent starts. To my eye, Saros looks to be the heir apparent in Nashville but I wonder if he’s potentially frustrated by the prospect of another year behind Rinne? He’d be a player worth targeting in a big way if there is an appetite for him to be a starter now. The danger there obviously is a trade with Poile. He’s as good as it gets at horse trading.

    I assume you aren’t actually watching the playoffs much as, while he’s put up points, Erik Karlsson has been far from good in the playoffs – sure, he’s playing hurt, but he certainly is struggling out there.

    Sarros would be fantastic but any frustration level by him would not really mean anything given he’s signed for two more years. That 3 X $1.5M contract ending in still being an RFA was an amazing team deal signed last year – couldn’t believe it.

    Ugh, compare that deal to the famous 3 X $4.5M deal starting for this org in a few months…. blah!

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Anton Lander bombs home a one-timer in the third period to draw Sweden level with Latvia in a game the Swedes realistically need a point or they’re in trouble. (they now lead 4-3 on a Patric Hornqvist goal)

    Lander now at <6 GP, 4-4-8, +6 & firmly among the top 20 scorers centring a third line betwen Loui Eriksson & Adrien Kempe. He also leads the tournament in faceoff percentage.

    Just caught up on yesterday’s discussion about this player, long a personal favourite. It enrages me how absolutely fucking hopeless the Oilers have been at identifying useful players within the organization for roles they ty to solve, more expensively, with outsiders who inevitably are no better and usually worse than the guys they overlook right within their own system. Look at every decent NHl team and they got a bunch of home grown guys in depth roles. The Oilers? Not so much.

    I thought everyone agreed that his skating prohibits success in the NHL……

  56. Pescador says:

    Munny:
    Pescador,

    Also fractured his foot in Game 5 vs the Blues, and gutted out playing Game 6.

    Well there you go
    Anyone who allows their foot to get broken is not a playoff performer.
    Winnipeg will be lucky to get anything back for him

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: Interesting I’ve always thought of Nuge like a poor man’s Sakic.
    Either way trading Nuge is just such a terrible idea

    I though he was a poor-man’s Datsyuk……

  58. Bag of Pucks says:

    OP, if you don’t want me to engage with you, why are you replying to my posts?

  59. BONE207 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    OP, if you don’t me to engage with you, why are you replying to my posts?

    Can you say OCD?
    Plus you’re kind of cute in black.

  60. Oil2Oilers says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not saying to trade Nurse next off-season but, if it happens at that time, it likely helps the cap (given Nurse will start to be quite expensive) and, at that time, there is a decent chance of an internal option (prospect) ready for the top 4 – be it Jones, Lagesson, Bouchard, Bear, Persson – all have a shot at being NHL ready this season but not legit top 4 ready.

    Agreed, trading Nurse next summer makes more sense than this summer.

    I subscribe to the WG theory that one of the great fallings of the decade of darkness was playing players above there established levels.

    My comment this morning was mainly a smart ass take on the two Athletic articles I had read back to back. But it does bring question what to do about the prospects;

    Reg is the best mentor on the team.
    Jones is NHL third pairing ready.
    It seems unlikely that both Persson and Bouchard will be in the AHL come January.

    Yes Holland over rippens, but Oilers
    Yes 10 defensemen are used in a season, but Lagesson, Bear and Gravel

    Basically what I am saying is it doesn’t all fit. A good problem to have but a problem nonetheless. How do you bring the young players up and keep them all below the top 4?

  61. JimmyV1965 says:

    The smartest thing we can do with Nurse is sign him to an eight-year extension July 1 for $6 mill. We’ll be lucky to get him at the price a year from now.

  62. hunter1909 says:

    Oil2Oilers: Agreed, trading Nurse next summer makes more sense than this summer.

    It’s such a consolation knowing the Oilers fans are so happy and yes, even comfortable and secure in themselves to discuss jettisoning a defenceman who, like Pronger, has struggled a little early yet is possibly just about to break out and become an established top pairing guy instead of those pesky 5th to 3rd defencemen who endlessly pass through the Oilers(losing) defence.

    Oilers don’t need these types of players who after all tend to demand so much money, money which management prefers to award to role players and grinders. After all, Edmonton’s a working class town, and with McDavid and Draisaitl here for perhaps as little/long as 2-3 more years between them, there’s little need to waste money on Nurse type players….why just look at those shiny prospects coming up!

    Then McDavid and Draisaitl also will eventually leave town, onto the “better” NHL destinations. Places where bleached blonde trophy wives, ladies with exquisite tastes in the finer things in life can feel at home, as they drive in their blacked out SUV’s past the homeless tent cities which are now fast becoming a normal feature of North American life.

    Ken Holland comes from Detroit, so he must have a huge wealth of knowledge in living and working among the new North American Pariah/underclass. He’s ideal for identifying just the right moment for trading away these players, to the carefully cultured Back Bay, or, the bright lights of Broadway, or even LA’s + San Jose’s emerging gated beach culture.

  63. ArmchairGM says:

    Since we’re talking about trading defensemen, how about this one I saw in the comments section of capfriendly by a Sabres fan:

    Sekera
    Bear
    Samorukov or the 2019 2nd round pick

    For

    Ristolainen

    What is the general thought here about Ristolainen? His numbers are poor but he plays way over his head on a crap team, his usage is terrible for an offensive defenseman. He does well on the pp and fits into the core age-group, he also pushes Russell down to 3rd pair and insulates Bouchard et al from being rushed. Could make a great partner for Nurse, too. Also: the fabled 3-for-1 deal!

  64. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965:
    The smartest thing we can do with Nurse is sign him to an eight-year extension July 1 for $6 mill. We’ll be lucky to get him at the price a year from now.

    Agree. I have no problem locking him up until 33, he’s a great skater and a very good athlete, I don’t think the usual aging curve applies.

  65. JimmyV1965 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Since we’re talking about trading defensemen, how about this one I saw in the comments section of capfriendly by a Sabres fan:

    Sekera
    Bear
    Samorukov or the 2019 2nd round pick

    For

    Ristolainen

    What is the general thought here about Ristolainen? His numbers are poor but he plays way over his head on a crap team, his usage is terrible for an offensive defenseman. He does well on the pp and fits into the core age-group, he also pushes Russell down to 3rd pair and insulates Bouchard et al from being rushed. Could make a great partner for Nurse, too. Also: the fabled 3-for-1 deal!

    I don’t know. It’s probably a fair trade, but getting rid of a kid like Samorukov right now might be a mistake. When the Leafs acquired Muzzin, they not only gave up a first round pick, they also gave up Sean Durzi. They’re probably regretting that right now. (I did hear they wanted to give up Liljegren instead, but the Kings insisted on Durzi). This might make more sense if we were looking for a final piece to contend, much like the Leafs, but that’s not where we’re at.

  66. Munny says:

    ArmchairGM,

    I don’t think either the Oilers or the Sabres would do that trade.

    New Holland Oilers would look at it as giving up too much.

    Sabres would look at it as, this doesn’t help us right now… plus risk (Sekera health).

    I don’t think it is a good match, given the players listed.

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gravel isn’t in the picture for next year – most agree that he is a serviceable 6/7 d-man but he’s a UFA and I would guess has no interest in returning after being healthy scratched for essentially the last two months of the season and, as indicated, there really isn’t room.

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Since we’re talking about trading defensemen, how about this one I saw in the comments section of capfriendly by a Sabres fan:

    Sekera
    Bear
    Samorukov or the 2019 2nd round pick

    For

    Ristolainen

    What is the general thought here about Ristolainen? His numbers are poor but he plays way over his head on a crap team, his usage is terrible for an offensive defenseman. He does well on the pp and fits into the core age-group, he also pushes Russell down to 3rd pair and insulates Bouchard et al from being rushed. Could make a great partner for Nurse, too. Also: the fabled 3-for-1 deal!

    My main reason for responding is to say that, at this point Samorukov >>>>> 2nd round pick.

    I don’t do that trade with Samorukov involved (yes, I’m probably over-rating a “magic bean” but would definitely consider it and very likely pull the trigger on the trade with the 2nd rounder.

    I believe the metrics show that Risto is one of the worst defensive d-men in the league but i imagine that is at least partially situational.

  69. Rebillled says:

    No no, no no no no, no no no no, no no no trade Nu Nu.

  70. Bling says:

    Why would we trade Nuge as he he is turning into Datsyuk? To echo others in the thread, I can’t think of another organization that actively looks to move home grown players as they enter their prime years.

    Nuge also offers positional flexibility over Mantha and insurance coverage for McDavid and Drai (knock on wood), which in and of itself is worth any savings to be had with taking on Mantha’s lower cap hit.

    The solution to the cap crunch is moving Russell and Sekera, replacing them with the young D coming through the system, and eating salary to move Lucic.

    Lots of ways to open up cap space without talking about Nuge.

  71. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10:
    Instead of Nurse for Ehlers.

    What about Sekera (I would prefer Russell, but Chevy isn’t stupid) for Perreault instead?

    Sekera for Perreault.
    Benning for JT Miller (modulo stuff)
    Sign Hainsey for one season

    Nelson as coach

    Chevy signed Kulikov for 3 x 4.3MM

    I disagree with your assumption on his ability to evaluate Dmen.

  72. jp says:

    ArmchairGM: Agree. I have no problem locking him up until 33, he’s a great skater and a very good athlete,I don’t think the usual aging curve applies.

    +1. I’d have zero hesitation with him signing a 8x6M deal. I fear he’ll want more on less term. And he might be worth it, but projecting continued growth will likely be required.

  73. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Well yeah. It seems like the internal guys get rated more on what they can’t do than what they can. Only when they go to other orgs for a while do they again become desirable (Brodziak, Rieder, Gagner).

    Lander turned 28 last month. Last time the Oilers kept a draft pick through his 28th brithday was Ales Hemsky for pete’s sake.

    MacT is gone now.

    His public verbal was all about what player’s were not.

    I really hope it’s a new day.

  74. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q: It seems like it is perpetual here. Always a trade to be made for Edmonton in the Oilogosphere, hole-making be damned.

    I was assured by many that the “elite out scoring forward” that Hall was wouldn’t create a hole when he was traded.

  75. jp says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Since we’re talking about trading defensemen, how about this one I saw in the comments section of capfriendly by a Sabres fan:

    Sekera
    Bear
    Samorukov or the 2019 2nd round pick

    For

    Ristolainen

    What is the general thought here about Ristolainen? His numbers are poor but he plays way over his head on a crap team, his usage is terrible for an offensive defenseman. He does well on the pp and fits into the core age-group, he also pushes Russell down to 3rd pair and insulates Bouchard et al from being rushed. Could make a great partner for Nurse, too. Also: the fabled 3-for-1 deal!

    I would definitely be on board with the Sekera, Bear, 2nd version. Terrible numbers on a bad team, but brings nice offense. Same cost as Sekera for an extra year, younger and right handed. Coaches play him a ton. I’d be very interested to see a top 4 of
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Ristolainen

  76. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar: Remember when all we had were wingers and bitching and moaning we didn’t have d-men?
    I miss those days.

    It’s why I drink.

  77. Bling says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Hard pass on JT Miller for me.

    2018/2019: 1.64 P/60
    2017/2018: 1.83 P/60
    2016/2017: 1.92 P/60

    Declining performance at evens despite playing on a powerhouse team. If he drops much further he’s not even a 2nd line option. Another 4 years at 5.25 million. That contract won’t age well.

    I know we shouldn’t put too much stock into playoff performance, but JT Miller also has 3 goals in 61 career playoff games.

    No thanks.

  78. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pescador: Interesting I’ve always thought of Nuge like a poor man’s Sakic.
    Either way trading Nuge is just such a terrible idea

    I have Nuge as a poor man’s Krejci.

  79. Bling says:

    Trading Samorukov is not happening.

    Samorukov-Bouchard is our future top pairing, take it to the bank!

  80. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bling:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Hard pass on JT Miller for me.

    2018/2019: 1.64 P/60
    2017/2018: 1.83 P/60
    2016/2017: 1.92 P/60

    Declining performance at evens despite playing on a powerhouse team. If he drops much further he’s not even a 2nd line option. Another 4 years at 5.25 million. That contract won’t age well.

    I know we shouldn’t put too much stock into playoff performance, but JT Miller also has 3 goals in 61 career playoff games.

    No thanks.

    You need to ask 3 questions when examining a player’s scoring history.

    1) Who were Miller’s most common linemates for each of those years?
    2) What was Miller’s 5v5 pts/60 with each of those linemates?
    3) Who are Miller’s probable most common linemates in EDM?

    Who a player plays with is the most important variable in regards to how they score, including the elite like Crosby, McDavid etc, let alone “good NHL players”

    I not saying I love him, but I like him.

  81. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909,

    Are you ever going to state who won the deathmarch or did you not keep track?

  82. Nit64 says:

    jake70: Haha, I just thought of a good outdoor game – Hockey power houses Great Britain and France on the Plains of Abraham in Quebec City, middle of January. Each period would be “17:59” duration.

    Well it was indoors and 20 minutes per period, but wasn’t that the whole point of The Maroons vs. Les Habs?

  83. --hudson-- says:

    Pescador: Interesting I’ve always thought of Nuge like a poor man’s Sakic.
    Either way trading Nuge is just such a terrible idea

    So you’re saying, Nuge is Marty Reasoner? 😉

  84. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    hunter1909,

    Are you ever going to state who won the deathmarch or did you not keep track?

    And what ever happened to the prize money/trophy?
    Hunter1909=Allan Eagelson

  85. Pescador says:

    –hudson–: So you’re saying, Nuge is Marty Reasoner?

    More like a rich man’s Shawn Horcoff

  86. Munny says:

    Jim Matheson‏ @NHLbyMatty · 2h2 hours ago

    Dave Tippett has begged off talking about coaching, specifically the Oilers, because he’s working for Seattle but if GM Ken Holland says he’s talked to “a couple” of candidates, you can bet Tippett is one. Ex Oiler coach Ken Hitchcock is Holland’s coach-hire sounding board

    Jim Matheson‏ @NHLbyMatty · 2h2 hours ago

    If Tippett is Oiler head-coach front-runner one of reasons will be because they feel they need an experienced man in Pacific Division to go against DeBoer, Gallant, McLellan and Peters

  87. Munny says:

    I agree that if Holland chooses Tippett over Nelson, the reasoning will be we need experience on the bench in-game against the divisional coaches. I’m not sure how valid that is, but that would be the rationale.

  88. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: I am on board with Reg being able to regain his form as a top 4 d-man, however, if Nurse is traded and Reg replaces him then the cover is completely gone and, once the first injury to the top 4 happens, things may snowball down in a hurry:

    – we lose that top 4 player
    – a 3rd pairing player moved up to the top 4
    – an AHL player moves to the bottom 6

    Thankfully, for the first time in, well, forever, the AHL player moving in to the lineup is likely a skilled player who is NHL ready – but still.

    There is a chance that, at some point, the team may need to trade a core player like Nurse in order the help balance the roster, however, to me, it seems that time is at least a year away. If Nurse is traded for a forward now, there is great risk on the back-end and we lose a massive value contract for a year.

    I’m not saying to trade Nurse next off-season but, if it happens at that time, it likely helps the cap (given Nurse will start to be quite expensive) and, at that time, there is a decent chance of an internal option (prospect) ready for the top 4 – be it Jones, Lagesson, Bouchard, Bear, Persson – all have a shot at being NHL ready this season but not legit top 4 ready.

    If there is no point in trading a core player like Nurse now – presumably because you think next year is a non playoff and thus non Cup year – then, by extension, you are surmising that next year is essentially a development year where we won’t win anyway. So, why not trade Nurse now at his highest value to get ready for playoffs and cup run the following year (because we dont really need him for a run next year anyway). The outcome of trading him now gets the most value back to the club for when they really need it; in two years when its playoff/cup time.

  89. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    hunter1909,

    Are you ever going to state who won the deathmarch or did you not keep track?

    Pescador: And what ever happened to the prize money/trophy?
    Hunter1909=Allan Eagelson

    Currently I’m trying to concentrate on seeing my current bandwagon team the St Louis Blues, who feature Patrick Maroon, David Perron, and even that perpetual will he or won’t he want to come and play for the Oilers Jay Boumeester…

    The thought of another historic St Louis/Boston final is keeping all of my offseason hockey self more busy than I’d ever expected to be in late May; since as an OIlers fan the season usually ends with the lottery pick draft extravaganza, which New Jersey currently rule.

    Normally I stop posting on Lowetide by mid April, and this is the best thing for everyone since summertime hockey talk tends to be exclusively for the truly expert fans, of which I have no illusion of being and with nothing to say of any real value(I’m only good when the games are being played, probably since no one has time to digest what I’m writing before another game washes over the previous one, lol), there’s little point in adding to my well deserved suspect reputation.

    I truly will be cheering for the Blues, not only because I thoroughly detest the San Jose Sharks penchant for wearing ZZ Top wannabe beards, but also because EK’s stupid long hair spills out as if to make up for the fact he only has 1 1/2 feet left to skate with now and needs something to detract from his suddenly overblown hockey prowess. I also think Brent Burns looks like an even bigger tool.

    The Blues are an original expansion team, and I would love to see that city have something to celebrate on so many levels, despite the fact I went to college in Boston as a 19 year old and naturally have strong emotional ties to the first big city I experienced. I’m more of a Red Sox fan, particularly before they stared winning WS’s….it was great to see them win their first one post Babe Ruth in 2004, but I’m a casual fan and although will sometimes check up on them it really isn’t that big a deal anymore, now that they’re simply another dominant MLB team.

    St Louis deserve to win a Stanley Cup, probably more than any team in the NHL. Boston have a strong team but they don’t have Bobby Orr, and St Louis have better players in their primes than those old timey patsy expansion Blues teams who played for the Cup before my time.

    If the Sharks manage to return and win the right to play Boston I’ll 100% certainly be screaming for them to destroy San Jose, because I just hate Burns and his homeless encampment beard, and I dare say so will the refs hate the idea of half the teams in hockey turning up with similar disgusting looking facial hair next season, should the Sharks win the Stanley Cup. I’m a lazy slob myself, and usually only shave 3X every 2 weeks but in my opinion the Shark’s look like a bunch of assholes…so much that if the Oilers start copying that look I’ll almost certainly stop watching hockey altogether. The refs pulled the same trick last time Vancouver made the finals with their “Let’s dive all the time and get lots and lots of powerplays” approach, which would have changed hockey in another despicable way – I say more power to the NHL refs who function like the Pretorian guard for all things hockey.

    Re Deathmarch itself: My real life, the one which actually exists is heating up this spring with very important, actual things which I’m working on that, if everything goes through will keep me busy all summer long and probably into next Autumn and beyond as well. Currently I’m expecting to make the final announcements some time after the Cup is awarded, in order not to detract from the current playoff excitement. The Deathmarch website needs a message board, since other than checking the lists there’s really nothing more to do and this blows; but this is going to cost money and since the last season I’m fed up with wasting money on anything to do with the NHL, period. To those wonderful awesome and sublime Oilers/hockey fans who have generously donated, I plan to name the trophy after one of you, but right now the site is in effect financially under water, bankrupt, and I’m loathe to ask for donations at this point.

    So, I think I’ll try to sign off again until have got something concrete to post. Thank you all for supporting Deathmarch™, and soon we shall have a website all of us can be proud of.

  90. JimmyV1965 says:

    Glovjuice: If there is no point in trading a core player like Nurse now – presumably because you think next year is a non playoff and thus non Cup year – then, by extension, you are surmising that next year is essentially a development year where we won’t win anyway. So, why not trade Nurse now at his highest value to get ready for playoffs and cup run the following year (because we dont really need him for a run next year anyway). The outcome of trading him now gets the most value back to the club for when they really need it; in two years when its playoff/cup time.

    Why is this the peak of Nurse’s value? He’s yet to play 300 games so I would think there is still a strong possibility of further development. It’s not a financial argument either. Although he makes $3.2 mill this year, no one is trading for him as a rental. Any team that acquires him knows he needs to be signed next year. It’s not like the Leafs will give you Marner because of the cap savings. They will offer Nylander regardless of his contract. The Jets won’t offer you Ehlers and Roslovic. His cheap contract for one year is not driving up his trade value.

  91. Nit64 says:

    hunter1909: some time after the Cup is awarded

    And there you have it Sports Fan. Some time after the Cup and before the Heat Freeze of the Universe.

  92. Reja says:

    hunter1909:
    Currently I’m trying to concentrate on seeing my current bandwagon team the St Louis Blues, who feature Patrick Maroon, David Perron, and even that perpetual will he or won’t he want to come and play for the Oilers Jay Boumeester…

    The thought of another historic St Louis/Boston final is keeping all of my offseason hockey self more busy than I’d ever expected to be in late May; since as an OIlers fan the season usually ends with the lottery pick draft extravaganza, which New Jersey currently rule.

    Normally I stop posting on Lowetide by mid April, and this is the best thing for everyone since summertime hockey talk tends to be exclusively for the truly expert fans, of which I have no illusion of being and with nothing to say of any real value(I’m only good when the games are being played, probably since no one has time to digest what I’m writing before another game washes over the previous one, lol), there’s little point in adding to my well deserved suspect reputation.

    I truly will be cheering for the Blues, not only because I thoroughly detest the San Jose Sharks penchant for wearing ZZ Top wannabe beards, but also because EK’s stupid long hair spills out as if to make up for the fact he only has 1 1/2 feet left to skate with now and needs something to detract from his suddenly overblown hockey prowess. I also think Brent Burns looks like an even bigger tool.

    The Blues are an original expansion team, and I would love to see that city have something to celebrate on so many levels, despite the fact I went to college in Boston as a 19 year old and naturally have strong emotional ties to the first big city I experienced. I’m more of a Red Sox fan, particularly before they stared winning WS’s….it was great to see them win their first one post Babe Ruth in 2004, but I’m a casual fan and although will sometimes check up on them it really isn’t that big a deal anymore, now that they’re simply another dominant MLB team.

    St Louis deserve to win a Stanley Cup, probably more than any team in the NHL. Boston have a strong team but they don’t have Bobby Orr, and St Louis have better players in their primes than those old timey patsy expansion Blues teams who played for the Cup before my time.

    If the Sharks manage to return and win the right to play Boston I’ll 100% certainly be screaming for them to destroy San Jose, because I just hate Burns and his homeless encampment beard, and I dare say so will the refs hate the idea of half the teams in hockey turning up with similar disgusting looking facial hair next season, should the Sharks win the Stanley Cup. I’m a lazy slob myself, and usually only shave 3X every 2 weeks but in my opinion the Shark’s look like a bunch of assholes…so much that if the Oilers start copying that look I’ll almost certainly stop watching hockey altogether. The refs pulled the same trick last time Vancouver made the finals with their “Let’s dive all the time and get lots and lots of powerplays” approach, which would have changed hockey in another despicable way – I say more power to the NHL refs who function like the Pretorian guard for all things hockey.

    Re Deathmarch itself: My real life, the one which actually exists is heating up this spring with very important, actual things which I’m working on that, if everything goes through will keep me busy all summer long and probably into next Autumn and beyond as well. Currently I’m expecting to make the final announcements some time after the Cup is awarded, in order not to detract from the current playoff excitement. The Deathmarch website needs a message board, since other than checking the lists there’s really nothing more to do and this blows; but this is going to cost money and since the last season I’m fed up with wasting money on anything to do with the NHL, period. To those wonderful awesome and sublime Oilers/hockey fans who have generously donated, I plan to name the trophy after one of you, but right now the site is in effect financially under water, bankrupt, and I’m loathe to ask for donations at this point.

    So, I think I’ll try to sign off again until have got something concrete to post. Thank you all for supporting Deathmarch™, and soon we shall have a website all of us can be proud of.

    Bravo. FK the Sharks and especially FK the Deliverance hillbilly look.

  93. Bruce McCurdy says:

    $30 million into his contract, I have trouble envisioning the Nuge as a poor man’s anything

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice: If there is no point in trading a core player like Nurse now – presumably because you think next year is a non playoff and thus non Cup year – then, by extension, you are surmising that next year is essentially a development year where we won’t win anyway. So, why not trade Nurse now at his highest value to get ready for playoffs and cup run the following year (because we dont really need him for a run next year anyway). The outcome of trading him now gets the most value back to the club for when they really need it; in two years when its playoff/cup time.

    That post is complete misinterpretation of mine – perhaps you should take a sober read through my post.

    The main premises to not trading him this coming year are (a) we need the value contract for now to help improve for this coming year and (b) trading Nurse creates a massive risk to our defensive group that could potentially crater the season.

    I don’t agree that Nurse is currently at his highest value – he may be but he very well may not be.

    He is also at the high value to the Oilers – the reasons he is valuable to other teams are the same reasons he is valuable to the Oilers – the Oilers losing that value is likely much more mitigated in a year where each of Bouchard, Bear, Jones, Lagesson, Persson are a year further along.

  95. YKOil says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Just caught up on yesterday’s discussion about this player, long a personal favourite. It enrages me how absolutely fucking hopeless the Oilers have been at identifying useful players within the organization for roles they ty to solve, more expensively, with outsiders who inevitably are no better and usually worse than the guys they overlook right within their own system. Look at every decent NHl team and they got a bunch of home grown guys in depth roles. The Oilers? Not so much.

    Pretty much where I sit on this. Lander was the 4th line center/penalty kill specialist we keep looking for even now.

  96. jtblack says:

    hunter1909,

    “in order not to detract from the current playoff excitement”.

    Haven’t watched 10 mins since Round 1 ended.

  97. Jaxon says:

    Nurse. You don’t trade this player. You keep him.

    Top 32 5v5 Scoring D going back to March of 2017:
    Player – Total Points
    Brent Burns – 74
    Morgan Rielly – 68
    Mark Giordano – 67
    Roman Josi – 65
    John Carlson – 65
    Erik Karlsson – 62
    John Klingberg – 60
    Tyson Barrie – 58
    Dougie Hamilton – 58
    Darnell Nurse – 57
    Jake Gardiner – 56
    Jared Spurgeon – 56
    Duncan Keith – 55
    Jake Muzzin – 55
    Alex Pietrangelo – 55
    Victor Hedman – 55
    Keith Yandle – 53
    Seth Jones – 53
    Noah Hanifin – 52
    Dmitry Orlov – 52
    Josh Manson – 51
    Ryan McDonagh – 51
    Ryan Ellis – 51
    Zach Werenski – 51
    Ivan Provorov – 51
    Thomas Chabot – 50
    Ryan Suter – 49
    Marc-Edouard Vlasic – 49
    Kris Letang – 49
    Jaccob Slavin – 47
    Mattias Ekholm – 47
    Mikhail Sergachev – 47

    Nurse is 10th in that 177 game sample!!!!! We’re constantly salivating over almost every other player on this list, yet we want to trade the one we have. Cup contenders need these players.

  98. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909:
    Currently I’m trying to concentrate on seeing my current bandwagon team the St Louis Blues, who feature Patrick Maroon, David Perron, and even that perpetual will he or won’t he want to come and play for the Oilers Jay Boumeester…

    The thought of another historic St Louis/Boston final is keeping all of my offseason hockey self more busy than I’d ever expected to be in late May; since as an OIlers fan the season usually ends with the lottery pick draft extravaganza, which New Jersey currently rule.

    Normally I stop posting on Lowetide by mid April, and this is the best thing for everyone since summertime hockey talk tends to be exclusively for the truly expert fans, of which I have no illusion of being and with nothing to say of any real value(I’m only good when the games are being played, probably since no one has time to digest what I’m writing before another game washes over the previous one, lol), there’s little point in adding to my well deserved suspect reputation.

    I truly will be cheering for the Blues, not only because I thoroughly detest the San Jose Sharks penchant for wearing ZZ Top wannabe beards, but also because EK’s stupid long hair spills out as if to make up for the fact he only has 1 1/2 feet left to skate with now and needs something to detract from his suddenly overblown hockey prowess. I also think Brent Burns looks like an even bigger tool.

    The Blues are an original expansion team, and I would love to see that city have something to celebrate on so many levels, despite the fact I went to college in Boston as a 19 year old and naturally have strong emotional ties to the first big city I experienced. I’m more of a Red Sox fan, particularly before they stared winning WS’s….it was great to see them win their first one post Babe Ruth in 2004, but I’m a casual fan and although will sometimes check up on them it really isn’t that big a deal anymore, now that they’re simply another dominant MLB team.

    St Louis deserve to win a Stanley Cup, probably more than any team in the NHL. Boston have a strong team but they don’t have Bobby Orr, and St Louis have better players in their primes than those old timey patsy expansion Blues teams who played for the Cup before my time.

    If the Sharks manage to return and win the right to play Boston I’ll 100% certainly be screaming for them to destroy San Jose, because I just hate Burns and his homeless encampment beard, and I dare say so will the refs hate the idea of half the teams in hockey turning up with similar disgusting looking facial hair next season, should the Sharks win the Stanley Cup. I’m a lazy slob myself, and usually only shave 3X every 2 weeks but in my opinion the Shark’s look like a bunch of assholes…so much that if the Oilers start copying that look I’ll almost certainly stop watching hockey altogether. The refs pulled the same trick last time Vancouver made the finals with their “Let’s dive all the time and get lots and lots of powerplays” approach, which would have changed hockey in another despicable way – I say more power to the NHL refs who function like the Pretorian guard for all things hockey.

    Re Deathmarch itself: My real life, the one which actually exists is heating up this spring with very important, actual things which I’m working on that, if everything goes through will keep me busy all summer long and probably into next Autumn and beyond as well. Currently I’m expecting to make the final announcements some time after the Cup is awarded, in order not to detract from the current playoff excitement. The Deathmarch website needs a message board, since other than checking the lists there’s really nothing more to do and this blows; but this is going to cost money and since the last season I’m fed up with wasting money on anything to do with the NHL, period. To those wonderful awesome and sublime Oilers/hockey fans who have generously donated, I plan to name the trophy after one of you, but right now the site is in effect financially under water, bankrupt, and I’m loathe to ask for donations at this point.

    So, I think I’ll try to sign off again until have got something concrete to post. Thank you all for supporting Deathmarch™, and soon we shall have a website all of us can be proud of.

    So you lost it.

  99. defmn says:

    Jaxon,

    Impressive list. Why March 2017 as the start date? I presume it when Nurse started to climb the list but was there something specific that accounts for that?

  100. Jaxon says:

    Another metric to consider regarding Nurse’s development stage… here is the age that each player ahead of Nurse first scored 41 or more points in a season:

    Players ahead of Nurse in 5v5 Scoring in the past 177 games:
    Karlsson 45 @20 years old
    Hamilton 42 @21
    Burns 43 @ 22
    Reilly 52 @23
    Klingberg 58 @23
    Barrie 53@23
    Nurse 41 @23
    Josi 55 @24
    Carlson 55 @25
    Giordano 43 @27

    Historically, when players reached 41 points or more in a season for the first time:
    Edler 42 @23
    Redden 47 @23
    Weber 53 @23
    Hedman 55 @23
    Letang 50 @23
    Schneider 44 @23
    Pronger 46 @24
    Suter 45 @24
    McDonagh 43 @ 24
    Subban 53 @24
    Brodie 41 @24
    Byfuglien 53 @25
    Bieksa 42 @25
    Keith 44 @25
    Leddy 46 @25
    Wideman 50 @25
    Chara 41 @26
    McCabe 43 @26
    Campbell 44 @26
    D Boyle 53 @26
    Timonen 42 @26
    Zidlicky 53 @26
    Markov 46 @27
    Rafalski 52 @27
    Kronwall 51 @28
    Visnovsky 67 @29
    Streit 62 @30
    Souray 64 @30
    Ekblad hasn’t made 41 yet, next year will be his 23 year old season.

    Nurse getting there by 23 is a pretty good benchmark. No? How many of the players who got to 41 points later than Nurse would you have traded? I’d say he might be comparing quite well to tough players like Burns, Chara, Byfuglien, Pronger, and Weber.

  101. Jaxon says:

    defmn:
    Jaxon,

    Impressive list. Why March 2017 as the start date? I presume it when Nurse started to climb the list but was there something specific that accounts for that?

    You got it. It’s when his offense started to turn a corner at the end of the 2016-17 season.

  102. LMHF#1 says:

    Wouldn’t it be something if this sort of quote:

    “We show up here every day and we expect to win,” Gardner said. “It doesn’t matter who’s hitting first, who’s hitting third or fifth. It doesn’t matter who’s pitching. It doesn’t matter who we’re playing. We expect to win every single day.”

    Came out of the mouth of Leon Draisaitl…or Darnell Nurse…

    It’s great having at least one team I cheer for have a culture that is the solution, rather than the problem.

    The Yankees have had everyone and their dog get hurt this year…and yet…no excuses. There they sit in first place. I can only imagine the “we can’t help it”s coming from Oilers brass under similar circumstances…

  103. defmn says:

    Jaxon: You got it. It’s when his offense started to turn a corner at the end of the 2016-17 season.

    Thanks. I was just wondering if there was a trigger like more PP time or more toi with McDavid.

    But thanks for the ordering of the various lists. I wouldn’t have guessed that he ranked that high.

  104. Glovjuice says:

    Bling:
    Trading Samorukov is not happening.

    Samorukov-Bouchard is our future top pairing, take it to the bank!

    This is correct.

  105. Pescador says:

    Reja: Bravo. FK the Sharks and especially FK the Deliverance hillbilly look.

    Whoa
    something you want to tell us about your last canoe trip?

  106. Pescador says:

    Jaxon:
    Another metric to consider regarding Nurse’s development stage… here is the age that each player ahead of Nurse first scored 41 or more points in a season:

    Players ahead of Nurse in 5v5 Scoring in the past 177 games:
    Karlsson 45 @20 years old
    Hamilton 42 @21
    Burns 43 @ 22
    Reilly 52 @23
    Klingberg 58 @23
    Barrie 53@23
    Nurse 41 @23
    Josi 55 @24
    Carlson 55 @25
    Giordano 43 @27

    Historically, when players reached 41 points or more in a season for the first time:
    Edler 42 @23
    Redden 47 @23
    Weber 53 @23
    Hedman 55 @23
    Letang 50 @23
    Schneider 44 @23
    Pronger 46 @24
    Suter 45 @24
    McDonagh 43 @ 24
    Subban 53 @24
    Brodie 41 @24
    Byfuglien 53 @25
    Bieksa 42 @25
    Keith 44 @25
    Leddy 46 @25
    Wideman 50 @25
    Chara 41 @26
    McCabe 43 @26
    Campbell 44 @26
    D Boyle 53 @26
    Timonen 42 @26
    Zidlicky 53 @26
    Markov 46 @27
    Rafalski 52 @27
    Kronwall 51 @28
    Visnovsky 67 @29
    Streit 62 @30
    Souray 64 @30
    Ekblad hasn’t made 41 yet, next year will be his 23 year old season.

    Nurse getting there by 23 is a pretty good benchmark. No? How many of the players who got to 41 points later than Nurse would you have traded? I’d say he might be comparing quite well to tough players like Burns, Chara, Byfuglien, Pronger, and Weber.

    Jaxon:
    Nurse. You don’t trade this player. You keep him.

    Top 32 5v5 Scoring D going back to March of 2017:
    Player–Total Points
    Brent Burns–74
    Morgan Rielly–68
    Mark Giordano–67
    Roman Josi–65
    John Carlson–65
    Erik Karlsson–62
    John Klingberg–60
    Tyson Barrie–58
    Dougie Hamilton–58
    Darnell Nurse–57
    Jake Gardiner–56
    Jared Spurgeon–56
    Duncan Keith–55
    Jake Muzzin–55
    Alex Pietrangelo–55
    Victor Hedman–55
    Keith Yandle–53
    Seth Jones–53
    Noah Hanifin–52
    Dmitry Orlov–52
    Josh Manson–51
    Ryan McDonagh–51
    Ryan Ellis–51
    Zach Werenski–51
    Ivan Provorov–51
    Thomas Chabot–50
    Ryan Suter–49
    Marc-Edouard Vlasic–49
    Kris Letang–49
    Jaccob Slavin–47
    Mattias Ekholm–47
    Mikhail Sergachev–47

    Nurse is 10th in that 177 game sample!!!!! We’re constantly salivating over almost every other player on this list, yet we want to trade the one we have. Cup contenders need these players.

    Jaxon:
    Nurse. You don’t trade this player. You keep him.

    Top 32 5v5 Scoring D going back to March of 2017:
    Player–Total Points
    Brent Burns–74
    Morgan Rielly–68
    Mark Giordano–67
    Roman Josi–65
    John Carlson–65
    Erik Karlsson–62
    John Klingberg–60
    Tyson Barrie–58
    Dougie Hamilton–58
    Darnell Nurse–57
    Jake Gardiner–56
    Jared Spurgeon–56
    Duncan Keith–55
    Jake Muzzin–55
    Alex Pietrangelo–55
    Victor Hedman–55
    Keith Yandle–53
    Seth Jones–53
    Noah Hanifin–52
    Dmitry Orlov–52
    Josh Manson–51
    Ryan McDonagh–51
    Ryan Ellis–51
    Zach Werenski–51
    Ivan Provorov–51
    Thomas Chabot–50
    Ryan Suter–49
    Marc-Edouard Vlasic–49
    Kris Letang–49
    Jaccob Slavin–47
    Mattias Ekholm–47
    Mikhail Sergachev–47

    Nurse is 10th in that 177 game sample!!!!! We’re constantly salivating over almost every other player on this list, yet we want to trade the one we have. Cup contenders need these players.

    Meh,
    I’m still not convinced
    Just kidding
    Jaxon, I love your posts

  107. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: That post is complete misinterpretation of mine – perhaps you should take a sober read through my post.

    The main premises to not trading him this coming year are (a) we need the value contract for now to help improve for this coming year and (b) trading Nurse creates a massive risk to our defensive group that could potentially crater the season.

    I don’t agree that Nurse is currently at his highest value – he may be but he very well may not be.

    He is also at the high value to the Oilers – the reasons he is valuable to other teams are the same reasons he is valuable to the Oilers – the Oilers losing that value is likely much more mitigated in a year where each of Bouchard, Bear, Jones, Lagesson, Persson are a year further along.

    Hey, I only had three light beers at the time of my post.

  108. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: So you lost it.

    Cynic!

    This is what happens when you try to tell the truth. Here’s the appropriate 2019 internet answer:

    My dog ate the list, but we’re taking it to the vet next Thursday to get its stomach pumped. Stay tuned!

    Happy now?

  109. Bank Shot says:

    Ribs:
    Nuge about to go full Datsyuk. Yeah, we should probably trade him.

    Yuck.

    Nuge will never go full Datsyuk.

    His skill set isn’t even in the same ballpark.

    Wish they could have traded him for Seth Jones back when it was suggested he was being offered.

    The Oilers only have two years left on this player. After that they will again have to overpay in dollars and term. That’s a tough decision to make on a player of RNH’s calibre.

    Is he going to be good at 35?

  110. jp says:

    LMHF#1:
    Wouldn’t it be something if this sort of quote:

    “We show up here every day and we expect to win,” Gardner said. “It doesn’t matter who’s hitting first, who’s hitting third or fifth. It doesn’t matter who’s pitching. It doesn’t matter who we’re playing. We expect to win every single day.”

    Came out of the mouth of Leon Draisaitl…or Darnell Nurse…

    It’s great having at least one team I cheer for have a culture that is the solution, rather than the problem.

    The Yankees have had everyone and their dog get hurt this year…and yet…no excuses. There they sit in first place. I can only imagine the “we can’t help it”s coming from Oilers brass under similar circumstances…

    It does help when you’re consistently spending twice what the average team spends.

    But yes, it would be nice to hear that kind of verbal from an Oiler at some point.

  111. Glovjuice says:

    Bank Shot: Nuge will never go full Datsyuk.

    His skill set isn’t even in the same ballpark.

    Wish they could have traded him for Seth Jones back when it was suggested he was being offered.

    TheOilers only have two years left on this player. After that they will again have to overpay in dollars and term. That’s a tough decision to make on a player of RNH’s calibre.

    Is he going to be good at 35?

    Yeah, another foot massage vs. tongue in the holiest of holies thing.

  112. jp says:

    Bank Shot: Nuge will never go full Datsyuk.

    His skill set isn’t even in the same ballpark.

    Wish they could have traded him for Seth Jones back when it was suggested he was being offered.

    TheOilers only have two years left on this player. After that they will again have to overpay in dollars and term. That’s a tough decision to make on a player of RNH’s calibre.

    Is he going to be good at 35?

    Agreed on Seth Jones.

    In terms of the future, Nuge will be in the playoffs of the 7th year of his next deal by the time he turns 35, he has lots of good highway left.

    It is possible his next deal could be a retirement contract without also being an overpay. Time will tell

  113. Nit64 says:

    hunter1909: Cynic!

    This is what happens when you try to tell the truth. Here’s the appropriate 2019 internet answer:

    My dog ate the list, but we’re taking it to the vet next Thursday to get its stomach pumped. Stay tuned!

    Happy now?

    For those following at home.

    The first entry was from Gerta: 89 points 22 goals

    https://lowetide.ca/2018/09/11/2018-19-rookie-camp-game-two-oilers-vs-nait-ooks-and-macewan-griffins/comment-page-1/#comment-760367

    The last entry was from Munny: 101 points 31 goals
    https://lowetide.ca/2018/10/06/game-one-2018-19-oilers-versus-devils-in-gothenburg-sweden/comment-page-1/#comment-767372

    Going through a months worth of posts is so buzzkill. Let’s just hold up a thumb and eyeball this sucker and declare a winner:

    ~ Gerta beat Munny. Better luck next time, Munny. ~

  114. Nit64 says:

    perfect answer is 79 pts and 14 goals.

    There may be other entries with a better goals count, but here’s one entry:

    HT JOE says:
    September 14, 2018 at 10:45 am
    hunter1909,

    Hi Hunter,

    Thanks for doing this. Please put me down for the Oilers with 79 points (an improvement!!) and Yak with 22 goals.

    https://lowetide.ca/2018/09/14/it-never-happened-to-pablo-picasso/comment-page-1/#comment-761035

  115. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bank Shot: Nuge will never go full Datsyuk.

    His skill set isn’t even in the same ballpark.

    Wish they could have traded him for Seth Jones back when it was suggested he was being offered.

    TheOilers only have two years left on this player. After that they will again have to overpay in dollars and term. That’s a tough decision to make on a player of RNH’s calibre.

    Is he going to be good at 35?

    I wonder if the Preds would have been better off trading for Nuge? Gotta admit I’m not a huge Johanssen fan. Their PP would certainly be better with Nuge. He would save them $2 mill in cap as well.

  116. Bling says:

    Bank Shot: Nuge will never go full Datsyuk.

    His skill set isn’t even in the same ballpark.

    Wish they could have traded him for Seth Jones back when it was suggested he was being offered.

    TheOilers only have two years left on this player. After that they will again have to overpay in dollars and term. That’s a tough decision to make on a player of RNH’s calibre.

    Is he going to be good at 35?

    Datsyuk, age 25:

    30G 38 A 68 P in 75 GP

    Nugent-Hopkins, age 25:

    28 G 41 A in 69 P in 82 GP

    Datsyuk himself didn’t go full Datsyuk until age 26.

  117. HT Joe says:

    Nit64,

    NIT64… thanks for digging this up. You’ve made my day!! I think this is the second time I might have won this thing (I realize the goal count thing could sink me). I think I won the first year we had McDavid.

    With Chia, the trick seemed to be to go for reasonable and then take off 10% from there. Now that the Oilers have a new GM, I’m hoping that formula never works again.

    Thanks again!!

  118. Munny says:

    Nit64,

    Lol!

    Like I said the other day, was certain it wasn’t me. I’m always blue-skying when there’s no fiat currency on the line.

  119. Gerta Rauss says:

    HT Joe,

    Well done

    Nit64,

    thanks for the effort

  120. Munny says:

    Bling: Datsyuk, age 25:

    30G 38 A 68 P in 75 GP

    Nugent-Hopkins, age 25:

    28 G 41 A in 69 P in 82 GP

    Datsyuk himself didn’t go full Datsyuk until age 26.

    When it come to Nuge comps, I don’t buy Datsyuk because he was the best dangler in the League, and that’s not typically how Nuge gets the puck in the net.

    I don’t buy Sakic either because he was known for his shot and at distance Nuge never knows whether or not he’s going to hit the bloody net.

    I think Woodguy has it closest… poor man’s Krejci, although I think it’s just Krejci, not poor man’s.

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    Guelph and P. Albert tonight at 5pm.

    I feel bad hoping for a 13th straight loss for the WHL in the tournament but Guelph needs to the win.

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    Big goal by Leon to put Germany up 3-2 in the third against Finland.

  123. Professor Q says:

    And with Datsyuk wanting to come back, we could end up seeing both him and Nuge in Edmonton.

    Then we wouldn’t have to have so much debate!

  124. SwedishPoster says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Big goal by Leon to put Germany up 3-2 in the third against Finland.

    He’s just a product of Dominik Kahun.

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    Leon with an empty netter as GER defeats FIN – Leon leading an upstart GER team in to the medal round. Great stuff!

  126. Glovjuice says:

    Bling,

    This was the highest scoring year by a lot in decades.

  127. Nit64 says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    HT Joe,

    Well done

    Nit64,

    thanks for the effort

    Lol. Bounding the data and approximating the solution is always a good place to start.

    But some quick googling of lowetide.ca by month only gets you that far.

  128. Nit64 says:

    HT Joe: I think I won the first year we had McDavid

    Close:

    1 Knight Town 69 .4207
    2 TOML 71 .4329
    Heat Treater Joe 71 .4329
    Jake 70 71 .4329

    https://oilersdeathmarch.com/season-201516/

  129. Ice Sage says:

    Pronman re-shuffling the deck for draft rankings 3 – 15 – over at the Athletic.
    (sorry LT if this scooped) If the league obeys him, Oilers get Boldy.
    What do we know about this Broberg fellow?

  130. Nit64 says:

    HT Joe: With Chia, the trick seemed to be to go for reasonable and then take off 10% from there

    Last 4 years you alternated being strong with Common Fan 14 who placed first twice. A Pittsburgh Chicago style duopoly.

  131. gimme shelter says:

    I stopped watching games cause I have no TV .I listen on-line with CHED when its free.
    I do read stats. 4-3 Britain over France at the World’s YEAH! Anglophones to the winners circle.
    France left in the dust. The Limeys ‘Allowed’ the french a 3 goal lead to come back and beat them in overtime. The Brits took 25 years to get to the world’s. Let’s hope Edmonton does not take as long for their next cup. Neither team at that point had won a game. Britain was getting pasted by all the Hockey powerhouses. In the end the most anticipated game happened and we beat the French just like we did on the Plains of Abraham.

  132. Bank Shot says:

    Bling: Datsyuk, age 25:

    30G 38 A 68 P in 75 GP

    Nugent-Hopkins, age 25:

    28 G 41 A in 69 P in 82 GP

    Datsyuk himself didn’t go full Datsyuk until age 26.

    That’s because Datsyuk had to earn his way onto to the top line.
    He started on the 4th line at 23.

    Nuge started on the first line at 18.

    Datsyuk led his team in scoring at age 25 nearly ppg at the height of the dead puck era.

    Hopkins never came close to leading his team in scoring.

    The Hopkins->Datsyuk comparison is so forced its sad.

    Hopkins is a good player but nowhere near a great one. He’s not a guy that the Oilers can afford to over pay yet again.

  133. russ99 says:

    Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec 1m
    Oilers have parted ways with chief pro scout Duane Sutter, and media relations man JJ Hebert.

    Wow, that’s a big move.

    Holland is wasting no time.

  134. Bag of Pucks says:

    russ99:
    Mark Spector@SportsnetSpec1m
    Oilers have parted ways with chief pro scout Duane Sutter, and media relations man JJ Hebert.

    Wow, that’s a big move.

    Holland is wasting no time.

    Hebert is interesting.

    Oilers org has been guilty of media leaks for ages. Doubt that turfing Hebert alone solves the problem but if you’re a GM wanting your org to keep things closer to the vest, it’s probably worthwhile to not overlook the importance of these areas.

    Often felt that Oiler GMs have been hamstrung by media rumours in the past, particularly in trying to drum up trade demand on certain players.

  135. leadfarmer says:

    russ99:
    Mark Spector@SportsnetSpec1m
    Oilers have parted ways with chief pro scout Duane Sutter, and media relations man JJ Hebert.

    Wow, that’s a big move.

    Holland is wasting no time.

    We’ve had a pro scout?

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