The WHL, the hinterlands and the 2019 draft

This week marks my final tweaks for the June 1 release of my 2019 draft ranking. The list will be 120 deep and, as always, I expect there will be players ranked inside my top 50 overall who do not get selected.

I’ll run posts all this week with the final rankings by league or by nation. By Saturday, you’ll have about 10 lists, with the final list merely a puzzle that ranks them as one group. I believe this is a better than average draft and expect Edmonton will (if they keep their picks) procure enough quality to make the 2019 draft comparable to the 2018 haul that included Evan Bouchard, Ryan McLeod and Olivier Rodrigue. Here we go.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: Ken Holland’s Oilers could go the high octane procurement route but will need a driver
  • New Lowetide: How much can Connor Brown help the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Dmitri Samorukov is off to the Memorial Cup and is the Oilers’ fastest rising prospect
  • Jonathan Willis: Craig MacTavish leaves the Oilers, signalling the first major front office change under Ken Holland
  • Lowetide: What kind of coach should Ken Holland hire for the Oilers?
  • Jonathan Willis: Every Oilers AHL prospect, rated by how close they are to the NHL
  • Jonathan Willis: A resurgent Andrej Sekera gives the Oilers much-needed defensive options
  • Lowetide: Is Joe Gambardella destined to become the Oilers’ next Fernando Pisani?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland steadfast that buck stops with him as new Oilers GM.
  • Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • Jonathan Willis: What does the arrival of Ken Holland mean for the Oilers coaching search?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.

THE FINAL 2019 WHL LIST

1 LHD Bowen Byram, Vancouver (WHL). A complete skill set, dynamic skater, effective in all areas. Best D out of the west since Cale Makar.

2 RC Kirby Dach, Saskatoon (WHL). A dynamic player with size and tremendous skill, has speed, wingspan and an excellent release.

3 R Dylan Cozens, Lethbridge (WHL). Size, skill and he can skate. Range of skills, accurate shooter. He and Dach are basically equal.

4 LC Peyton Krebs, Kootenay (WHL). Skill forward who can score, he has quick feet and good hands.

5 L Brayden Tracey, Moose Jaw (WHL). Flew up the ranking late, his goal-scoring prowess (33 in 66) a major selling point.

6 LD Matthew Robertson, Edmonton (WHL). He’s had some injury issues but has also emerged as a fairly complete defender.

7 L Nolan Foote, Kelowna (WHL). Power forward with skill, not certain he’s a future scorer on an NHL skill line.

8 RC Brett Leason, Prince Albert (WHL). He is 20. Impressive scorer, massive year over year spike (36 goals in 55 games this year).

9 RD Lassi Thomson, Kelowna (WHL). Mobile, skilled defenseman with good speed.

10 G Mads Søgaard, Medicine Hat (WHL). Posted a strong season (.921). He is 6.06. Danish goalie had a solid year in the NAHL a year ago.

11 L Dillon Hamaliuk, Seattle (WHL). Promising numbers (31, 11-15-26) before losing his season to injury. Strong, great forechecker and he has skill.

12 LC Oleg Zaitsev, Red Deer (WHL). A physical two-way center with impressive skating and passing skill. Great along the wall, patient.

13 L Adam Beckman, Spokane (WHL). Among the best scorers in the league under 18, he posted 32 in 68 games. Averages 2.46 shots per game.

14 R Luka Burzan, Brandon (WHL). A January 2000, so an older prospect. He scored 40 goals in 68 games. Speed, skill, works hard.

15 LC Reece Newkirk, Portland (WHL). Undersized skill center exploded in his second junior season (68, 23-36-59). Good speed, has skill.

16 R Sasha Mutala, Tri-City (WHL). He has good speed and size, scored 20. Impressive at Hlinka, solid but unspectacular during the season.

17 R Martin Lang, Kamloops (WHL). Impressive skill winger is barely eligible for the draft (Sept 15, 2001). 11-22-33 in 65 games.

18 R Josh Williams, Edmonton (WHL). Terrific skater and impressive skill, lack of consistency saw him slide a long way during the season.

19 RD Kaedan Korczak, Kelowna (WHL). Shutdown defender with good speed, he’ll go far higher than I have him.

20 LD Gianni Fairbrother, Everett (WHL). Puck moving defenseman came on as the season wore along, he’s a Sept 2000 so he’s a little lower on my list.

21 LC Luke Toporowski, Spokane (WHL). Undersized skill forward who can play all three positions. Plays with an edge.

22 RD Cole Moberg, Prince George (WHL). Good mobility, can move the puck and posted good numbers. October 2000.

THE HINTERLANDS

1 RD Moritz Seider, Mannheim (DEL). An actual teenage giant (6.04, 198) with a Condor wingspan. He’s a good passer and has decent speed.

2 LC Alexei Protas, Belarus (Belarus). Listed under European list, he is in fact rolling like a Mack truck for the Prince Albert Raiders this spring. He’s 6.05, 195, and has great hands.

3 RW Filip Koffer, Padrubice (Czech). Nice hands, he showed well at the U18’s. He isn’t well known and may not be picked, but he has real skill.

4 RW Michal Teply, Liberic (Czech). Big scoring winger has some footspeed issues.

5 RW Yevgeni Oksentyuk, Shahkter (Belarus). Small and highly skilled, he rocked the U18’s.

6 LW Premysl Svoboda, Litvinov (Czech U19). Torched his junior league (32, 22-33-55), has been dominating all the way through junior. November 2000.

Notes

The plan this week is to do OHL/Finland tomorrow, QMJHL/Russia on Thursday and USHL/Sweden on Friday. That’ll set things up for my June 1 top 120. You may notice some tweaks in the rankings, mostly late on each list. I don’t think changing this late is wise, it’s shades of grey after No. 4 on the WHL list and the German defenseman is the only clear top flight prospect from the hinterlands.

There is one additional tweak on my list that could occur, want to tell you now so you won’t be surprised. There remain a couple of unsigned kids from the 2017 draft who I think would warrant a spot on my list. Deadline is June 1, same day I publish my list. Here there are, with what I wrote about them on my final 2017 ranking:

No. 40 LD Noel Hoefenmeyer, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Complete skills. Has good size and can defend well, and is a good passer. Unlikely to spend a lot of time on the power play, but the entire defense crop feels that way this year.

No. 144 RC Liam Hawel, Guelph Storm (OHL). Giant (6.05, 179) C improved offense after trade from Soo.

I think it’s Dave Tippett and the Oilers are just waiting for the right time to announce it. Could happen tomorrow if the Blues win tonight, Bettman doesn’t like anything to take away from the playoff series. There have been names leaked, and some general suspicion of interviews, but this has the same feel to it as Holland’s hiring: Seemed set in stone early, with a steady stream of misinformation swirling for a couple of weeks.

Pronman’s list is once again the industry standard. His evaluations are excellent, he states his reasons for slotting, he has excellent quotes for each player. I sincerely hope you subscribe to The Athletic and don’t really care about the reason, but this piece is worth the annual sub all by its lonesome.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We’re back after what seems like forever, with a fun show to start the week. TSN1260, beginning at 10 this morning. We’ll tee up Canada versus USA at noon from the WHC’s, we’ll have the game at TSN1260, high noon. Jonathan Willis will stop by from The Athletic at 10:20, we’ll chat about what Dave Tippett’s Oilers might look like. Guy Flaming from The Pipeline Show pops in at 10:40 to explain what the hell is happening at the Memorial Cup, while Joseph Casciaro from The Score talks Raptors at 11:05. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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180 Responses to "The WHL, the hinterlands and the 2019 draft"

  1. Ben says:

    Pronman loving the Yankees. Turcotte over Byram, and hard to argue with his Caufield ranking given the goal totals.

    I’m ok with Tippett. He’s a player’s coach and likes the math. Very curious who else he brings with him.

    EDIT: Interesting take on Tippett here: https://www.defendingbigd.com/2012/4/13/2941077/dave-tippett-defense-mark-fistric-matt-niskanen

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Shockingly, OP has nothing to really comment on from the initial post today.

    From what I know, there is going to be a really good player available at 8 – I have no idea who its going to be as there seems to be little consensus from 4-10 – I think that’s a good thing.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    Guelph at P. Albert tonight. Need a big win for Guelph!

  4. Jethro Tull says:

    In Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky for work course. Sure is different here…..

  5. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Holland as GM, and Tippett as head coach: that’ as good as we could have hoped for IMO. They are the safe and blue-chip hires just as Chia and Coach were, with good reputations

    – And I get it it: after such disappointment after the last set of hiring: it would be too difficult to go innovative. You can’t pitch a re-build perse: we are in the tweaking, and doing better than the last GM and coach mode. These guys fit the operational mode of the organization

    – Your banking on getting the Tippet that was awesome a decade ago with the Stars, and the Holland that was the cream of the crop GM also a decade ago, and hoping the lack of success the last long while is the anomoly:

    Here’s our GM last 5 year record:

    Lost First Round
    Lost First Round
    Did not qualify
    Did not qualify
    Did not qualify

    Here’s our presumptive coach last 5 years record:

    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs

    – I have no clue: but let’s see, right? Clearly they got hired based on their reputation, and not their last 5 year track records. Hopefully the both learned a lot in the last 5 years, and that past performance isn’t an indication of the future. But for sure hiring retreads

    GOILERS!!!

  6. Jethro Tull says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I respect your take, but it’s not a case of going innovative; it’s a case of seeing which way the wind is blowing.

    The Oilers like Olde Tymee Hockye.

    And testing wind direction by licking their finger and sticking it somewhere…….else.

  7. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I respect your take, but it’s not a case of going innovative; it’s a case of seeing which way the wind is blowing.

    The Oilers like Olde Tymee Hockye.

    And testing wind direction by licking their finger and sticking it somewhere…….else.

    – Hey of course we are hoping for the best. And they both could be great. I wasn’t advocating innovative to be different. This group fits the Oilers mantra for sure. It’s comfortable. We’ve got the most decorated GM in the league. And Tippet is well respected, and spent a lot of time last year or so looking at the league in his role as advisor, so his fresh perspective might be great

    – All we care about is winning. I think its fair though to look at the recent track records of both and wonder if they are truly the GM and Coach who are the “best” going forward

    – But I’m not fussed. It will be well run, Holly is well-respected, and Tippet is for sure probably still a good coach, despite the recent records.

    * I knew that Dallas was a bad hire and said so. I also shared my intel on Kruger: neither were ready to be head coaches at the time (Had Kruger got some x and o assistants after the first year it might have worked better) . I don’t have any intel or player insight to share on Tippet: but he’s ready, and will be presumably better. I also don’t like the narrative that Holly is leaning hard on Hitch for coaching hire.

    But please just get it right: pretty please!

  8. Alpine says:

    I don’t think Tippett is as OTH as people think. He had mostly weak rosters in Phoenix. There was that famous quote of him a while back where he said he traded the shutdown defenseman who everyone thought was good at defense but never had the puck and kept the offensive defenseman who always had the puck instead.

    Maybe he was just grandstanding. Success in the NHL is generally roster driven, and Tippett’s Coytoes actually bucked that trend for a few seasons.

  9. Tarkus says:

    Pronman’s list is once again the industry standard. His evaluations are excellent, he states his reasons for slotting, he has excellent quotes for each player. I sincerely hope you subscribe to The Athletic and don’t really care about the reason, but this piece is worth the annual sub all by its lonesome.

    Truth.

    In addition, Pronman grades the prospects on various attributes (skating, physical play, etc.) on a scale of 20-80. Gives you a good idea of strengths and weaknesses.

    One note: These ranking are for skaters only. He has a separate list coming out soon for the goalies in this year’s class.

  10. v4ance says:

    Ben:
    Pronman loving the Yankees. Turcotte over Byram, and hard to argue with his Caufield ranking given the goal totals.

    I’m ok with Tippett. He’s a player’s coach and likes the math. Very curious who else he brings with him.

    EDIT: Interesting take on Tippett here: https://www.defendingbigd.com/2012/4/13/2941077/dave-tippett-defense-mark-fistric-matt-niskanen

    That story gives me hope that Tippett understands what kind of defenceman is needed to succeed in the current NHL systems.

    The analogy would be that defencemen who defend all the time like Mark Fistric (or Kris Russell) aren’t as good overall as defencemen who retain possession and drive offence like Niskanen (or guys like Benning or Auvitu). Guys that drive offence may be bad at defending their own zone but they spend so little time doing it that it’s not as big a detriment as it may seem.

  11. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Alpine,

    – Paul Maurice is a good example of this. He’s generally viewed as a good coach who had poor rosters. The Jets have kept him, and as the team got better, but this year’s flame-out will be a test

    – If you can be a “good coach” with a “bad roster”, it seems that allows for longevity. But if your coaching a good team and disappoint you don’t last long…

    Missed playoffs
    Fired
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Lost in Conference Finals
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Fired
    Missed playoffs
    Lost in First Round
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Lost in Conference Finals
    Lost in First Round

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sekera “gave up the C” to Ladislav Nagy today as a tribute to Nagy for his last game – classy dude that Reggie!

  13. who says:

    v4ance: That story gives me hope that Tippett understands what kind of defenceman is needed to succeed in the current NHL systems.

    The analogy would be that defencemen who defend all the time like Mark Fistric (or Kris Russell) aren’t as good overall as defencemen who retain possession and drive offence like Niskanen (or guys like Benning or Auvitu).Guys that drive offence may be bad at defending their own zone but they spend so little time doing it that it’s not as big a detriment as it may seem.

    Benning drives offense?
    That’s an interesting take.

  14. dustrock says:

    Just thought I’d mention I really liked the deep dive that the guys did on draft eligibles for Canucks Army.

    They now have their own site: nextgenhockey.ca

    It’s a subscription site, $25 for a year. Advanced stats look. Not too many sites like theirs.

    I enjoy it, not affiliated with them, was just looking for their draft profiles on Canucks Army and found their site.

  15. Dee Dee says:

    Searching for newer Tippett articles and ran across this:
    http://sports.mynorthwest.com/472786/he-sees-the-game-the-right-way-former-nhl-player-shane-doan-talks-dave-tippett

    Shane Doan likes him.

    “We’re like five days into training camp… and we’d finished 25 points out of a playoff spot; we were embarrassingly bad. And Tipp came in that year and we went from being 25 points out of the playoff spot to being third overall in the NHL. We finished with the highest points that we’d ever finished with as an organization. And I was sold, hook-line-and-sinker, on the ability of him to coach and manage a team. It was unbelievable what he did with that group, and the turnaround; he won Coach of the Year, and everything kind of went from there. It was absolutely phenomenal. And I really enjoyed getting to know him that year and that kind of was the start of my relationship with him. It showed his ability to take a team that wasn’t very good and instill a whole bunch of discipline and belief in the group, and kind of turned us around.”

    The Kicker is that he was hired AFTER the start of training camp when Wayne Gretzky stepped down

  16. Rondo says:

    Have other teams in need of a coach since 2017 pursued Tippet?

  17. jtblack says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    “Here’s our GM last 5 year record:

    Lost First Round
    Lost First Round
    Did not qualify
    Did not qualify
    Did not qualify

    Here’s our presumptive coach last 5 years record:

    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs”

    So they will fit right in !!!

  18. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    This is the best Hinterland scouting report: https://youtu.be/H-aoWSpFor0

  19. ArmchairGM says:

    **** DRAFT POLL ****

    According to Pronman’s list, Boldy, Broberg, Dach, Newhook and Podkolzin will all be available when the Oilers pick.

    Who would you choose?

  20. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    “Here’s our GM last 5 year record:

    Lost First Round
    Lost First Round
    Did not qualify
    Did not qualify
    Did not qualify

    Here’s our presumptive coach last 5 years record:

    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs
    Missed playoffs”

    So they will fit right in !!!

    They’re due!

  21. Rondo says:

    ArmchairGM:
    According to Pronman’s list, Boldy, Broberg, Dach, Newhook and Podkolzin will all be available when the Oilers pick.

    Who would you choose?

    Wait for Mckenzie’s list and Hockey prospect list.

  22. McNuge93 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    According to Pronman’s list, Boldy, Broberg, Dach, Newhook and Podkolzin will all be available when the Oilers pick.

    Who would you choose?

    Dach. Size,skill and Canadian.

  23. ArmchairGM says:

    Rondo: Wait for Mckenzie’s list and Hockey prospect list.

    No.

    I want to know your opinion RIGHT NOW.

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    Canada/US and noon today – should be a fun game.

    Hughes is expect to sit though – blah

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    To be clear, Jack is sitting. I expect Quinn is playing.

  26. jtblack says:

    Holland inherited ine of the Greatest Teams in the NHL Became GM in 1998 after Det had already won a Cup in 1997 (He was asst GM).

    Holland cuaght 2 waves of HHOF players. The Yzerman – Fedorov wave ; then the Datsyuk – Zetterberg wave. Both waves linked by one of the Greatest D men ever ; LIdstrom.

    Once Lidstrom retired; Holland didnt win … anything … nothing…

    Is Holland as bad as PC. No. Nobody is. Is Holland an excellent GM in 2019? I dont know.

    Is Dave Tippett a good coach. Sure. Were Todd McLennan and Ken Hitcock good. Yes. Are any good in 2019? Don’t know.

    I think HOLLAND & TIPPETT are safe picks.

    Remember when Toronto fired em all and embarked on the “Shanahan Plan”. Then Shanahan hired Dubas and everyone said – Who? Thet didnt go with the safe picks, but they map out a plan and stick to it.

    Edmonton has brought in 2 safe picks. They are coming off a 78 point season and have no where to go but up; so lets be careful not to applaud an 86 point season nxt yr.

    Edm Makes the playoffs next yr, I EAT CROW ……

  27. Rondo says:

    ArmchairGM: No.

    I want to know your opinion RIGHT NOW.

    Dach

  28. silasbengtsson says:

    ArmchairGM:
    ****DRAFT POLL ****

    According to Pronman’s list, Boldy, Broberg, Dach, Newhook and Podkolzin will all be available when the Oilers pick.

    Who would you choose?

    Phillip Tomasino.

  29. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Canada/US and noon today – should be a fun game.

    Hughes is expect to sit though – blah

    So, the man who is to be a mix between Kane, Eichel, and McDavid, sitting. Apparently he hasn’t been too visible, as opposed to Kaako?

    How about the other NTDP players like Turcotte or whoever else is there?

  30. jtblack says:

    ArmchairGM: No.

    I want to know your opinion RIGHT NOW.

    Kirby Dach. 6’4″ RHC Skates well Has power.

    Comparables for me are Ryan Johansen // Cody Glass …. Not sure he is as good as either but I do Believe this is a Bonafide 2C that could play behind Connor for a decade.

  31. YKOil says:

    ArmchairGM:
    ****DRAFT POLL ****

    According to Pronman’s list, Boldy, Broberg, Dach, Newhook and Podkolzin will all be available when the Oilers pick. Who would you choose?

    Dach

  32. godot10 says:

    Dee Dee:
    Searching for newer Tippett articles and ran across this:
    http://sports.mynorthwest.com/472786/he-sees-the-game-the-right-way-former-nhl-player-shane-doan-talks-dave-tippett

    Shane Doan likes him.

    “We’re like five days into training camp… and we’d finished 25 points out of a playoff spot; we were embarrassingly bad. And Tipp came in that year and we went from being 25 points out of the playoff spot to being third overall in the NHL. We finished with the highest points that we’d ever finished with as an organization. And I was sold, hook-line-and-sinker, on the ability of him to coach and manage a team. It was unbelievable what he did with that group, and the turnaround; he won Coach of the Year, and everything kind of went from there. It was absolutely phenomenal. And I really enjoyed getting to know him that year and that kind of was the start of my relationship with him. It showed his ability to take a team that wasn’t very good and instill a whole bunch of discipline and belief in the group, and kind of turned us around.”

    The Kicker is that he was hired AFTER the start of training camp when Wayne Gretzky stepped down

    The turnaround happens all the time with a new coach. Berube and Trotz and the temp coach in Philly this year. Sullivan when he took over mid-season in Pittsburgh. #EveryBylsma won his cup with Pittsburgh in such a season.

    The key is sustaining it the following seasons.

    Tippett didn’t sustain in Arizona. By the end of his tenure he was leading a mutiny against Dan Maloney, and the team got worse when Maloney left.

  33. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    ****DRAFT POLL ****

    According to Pronman’s list, Boldy, Broberg, Dach, Newhook and Podkolzin will all be available when the Oilers pick.

    Who would you choose?

    Is Krebs gone? I’d take Krebs.

    I don’t have access to Pronman’s list so I don’t know who is gone.

    Hughes, Kakko, Turcotte, Byram, Cozens, Caufield, Zegras…I would guess.

    So I would take Krebs. Krebs, Dach, Boldy,

  34. silasbengtsson says:

    godot10: The turnaround happens all the time with a new coach.Berube and Trotz and the temp coach in Philly this year. Sullivan when he took over mid-season in Pittsburgh.#EveryBylsma won his cup with Pittsburgh in such a season.

    The key is sustaining it the following seasons.

    Tippett didn’t sustain in Arizona.By the end of his tenure he was leading a mutiny against Dan Maloney, and the team got worse when Maloney left.

    Neglecting to mention the lack of talent and cap freedom that team had to work with doesn’t strengthen your point. I’d argue that he did a pretty good job with teams whose best C was Hanzal.

    Edit: Or Vermette. Or Belanger.

  35. dessert1111 says:

    From what I remember when he was coaching, Tippett was generally considered an above average to excellent coach. I don’t have many opinions on coaches because I think there’s so much noise that it’s hard to analyze them effectively from this distance, but I feel like he’d be as safe of an option as there is.

  36. bwar says:

    The initial Holland press conference left me a little confused on what he was chasing after in terms of coaching. On one hand he made it sound like he would be searching for a veteran coach to add some stability to the organization (Dave Tippett). And then with his next breath Holland made me think he was looking for someone who could grow with the organization as a long term solution (Todd Nelson). Holland referenced wanting a long term coach like his relationships with Babcock and Blashill and you have to go back to the early 2000’s to find our last coach to stick around as long as Blashill has been with Detroit (Craig MacTavish).

    I think I’d personally favor Nelson over Tippett. Not sure if Nelson would come back to Edmonton but I think it’s time for the Oilers to take a chance on a good fit instead of just hiring the biggest name available.

  37. godot10 says:

    dessert1111:
    From what I remember when he was coaching, Tippett was generally considered an above average to excellent coach. I don’t have many opinions on coaches because I think there’s so much noise that it’s hard to analyze them effectively from this distance, but I feel like he’d be as safe of an option as there is.

    As safe as Todd McLellan, no doubt! -).

    Who demonstrated he couldn’t recognize a good role player from a bad role player. Who couldn’t inspire maximum effort out of his team.

    I admit I am biased. I want my guy.

  38. ArmchairGM says:

    So, I’ve been doing a little thinking about getting a stop-gap RD specifically to partner with Nurse. I’m thinking that having someone who excels at the transition side of the game would benefit Nurse the most, although without SPORTLOGiQ data at my fingertips it’s difficult to analyse a player’s abilities. The nearest thing I could find was a Sportsnet article from last year that took into account 3 years data for 40 NHL defender, so it’s incomplete for our purposes and slightly out of date. The results of this is that there’s a possibility some of the players I mention below have deteriorated due to normal age-related decline and should no longer be considered options for acquisition. I’m also looking at players that are – or could realistically be – available this summer. Some of these guys would likely boost their partnership with Nurse into the #1 category, hence I didn’t say I was looking for a stopgap “2RD”.

    Here goes nothing…

    Erik Karlsson, 30.74 Transition rating*
    “Karlsson is a wonderous offensive talent, which everyone knows. But his defence actually sticks out the most from his peers. He has one of the lowest turnover rates relative to his teammates of anyone in the league, recovers loose pucks like it’s easy to beat players to them while pivoting, is among the best in the league at denying zone entries, and has one of the best sticks in the game for blocking passing lanes. He could be a bit stronger in puck battles, but that’s a pretty slight criticism.”

    PK Subban, 28.05
    “Subban is one of the best passers in the NHL, posting high volume and clinical efficiency in every zone, even though he makes far more dangerous passes than the average defenceman. With that high pass success rate comes very low turnover rates, leading to smooth transition and fewer counter attacks. He’s also one of the game’s best defenders of the blue line; only Hampus Lindholm is victimized for fewer controlled entries. Subban’s weaknesses continue to be a penchant for penalties, and an eagerness to dump the puck out of the defensive zone too often. He is spectacular at clearing the zone with dump outs, boasting the highest success rate in the league, but his talent level is too high to do it as often as he does.”

    Alex Pietrangelo, 26.13
    “Pietrangelo also creates a ton of the Blues’ offence indirectly by moving the puck up the ice more efficiently than almost any other defender in the league. He makes tons of tape to tape passes and skates the puck more effectively than most forwards. He combines that puck-rushing skill with low turnover rates in every zone, which makes him tough to exploit at 5-on-5. Weirdly, while Pietrangelo is arguably a top-five even strength defenceman, he’s really bad on special teams, especially the penalty kill. I’m not sure why that is, but his results have been awful there for years.”

    Jared Spurgeon, 26.05
    “In transition, Spurgeon isn’t as strong as Suter on zone exits, but in the neutral zone he’s brilliant and puts tons of passes right on the tape of teammates in stride, setting them up to take the offensive zone with control. Spurgeon’s biggest weakness is battling for the puck, as he’s fairly easily shaken off by big forwards. He makes up for this by being a spectacular neutral zone defender who rarely allows controlled entries against.”

    Mike Green, 25.93
    “Green can be exposed off the rush, and is prone to quite a few turnovers, but he’s pretty strong at recovering loose pucks, which plays well into his strong transition game. He’s among the NHL leaders in carry outs and total plays that transition the puck up the ice.”

    Justin Faulk, 25.83
    “Faulk’s play at both blue lines is only a little above average when scaled against his teammates in Carolina, but he truly excels at handling the puck in the neutral zone. In that tightly checked area, he’s able to make a ton of successful passes and rarely commits a turnover, which allows the Hurricanes forwards to attack the offensive zone with speed.”

    Colin Miller, 24.40
    “Offensively Miller particularly excelled on the power play, and he was one of the better defencemen at creating them by drawing calls with his strong transition play. One reason why multiple coaches may have decided to shelter Miller is he has one of the lowest puck battle win rates among all defencemen, though he kind of makes up for it with being a strong zone entry denier.”

    * the Transition rating is based on a combination of 5-on-5 outlet passes, stretch passes, controlled carries out of the defensive zone, neutral zone passes forward and east-west, controlled entries into the offensive zone (all per 60 minutes), Corsi for percentage, Corsi for percentage relative to teammates, controlled exit rate relative to teammates, controlled entry rate relative to teammates, outlet, stretch, and neutral zone pass completion rates relative to teammates.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-40-defencemen-three-seasons-40-21/
    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-20-defencemen-three-seasons/

  39. ArmchairGM says:

    Rondo: Dach

    😀

    Thanks!

  40. ArmchairGM says:

    godot10: Is Krebs gone?I’d take Krebs.

    I don’t have access to Pronman’s list so I don’t know who is gone.

    Hughes, Kakko, Turcotte, Byram, Cozens, Caufield, Zegras…I would guess.

    So I would take Krebs.Krebs, Dach, Boldy,

    Krebs is still available, he’s in the next tier of prospects at #13.

  41. silasbengtsson says:

    godot10: As safe as Todd McLellan, no doubt! -).

    Who demonstrated he couldn’t recognize a good role player from a bad role player.Who couldn’t inspire maximum effort out of his team.

    I admit I am biased.I want my guy.

    If your guy is Nelson, then we agree. Don’t need to disparage Tippett to prefer Nelson, though.

  42. Todd Macallan says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Dach easily for me.

    Newhook a surefire 2nd choice out of the remaining names.

  43. bwar says:

    ArmchairGM: Podkolzin

    What has happened to Podkolzin? He was ranked 3rd on the rankings list for so long and now is just plummeting down the draft board.

    Right now I’d probably lean towards Dach or Boldy. I want offense with the 8th overall pick and I think both players are offering a lot in that department. Size on both is also a plus. Both well over 6 foot and will probably be 200lbs come training camp. I guess you’d have to way a few factors, Dach is a little taller at 6’4″ and had significant improvement over the last two seasons. Boldy has very nice numbers but didn’t see much change over the past two years. If I had to pick I’m taking Dach.

  44. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    jtblack:

    Is Holland as bad as PC.No.Nobody is. Is Holland an excellent GM in 2019? I dont know.

    Is Dave Tippett a good coach. Sure. Were Todd McLennan and Ken Hitcock good. Yes.Are any good in 2019? Don’t know.

    I think HOLLAND & TIPPETT are safe picks.

    Edmonton has brought in 2 safe picks.
    Edm Makes the playoffs next yr, I EAT CROW ……

    godot10: T

    The key is sustaining it the following seasons.

    – Yeah, these are kind of my views. I think the Oil think they hired the best GM and coach based on their track-record and pedigree, and that last 5 years aren’t who they are going forward

    – I know they aren’t the same, but I take from my experience managing money. There are money managers that have very long track records of success. Even after a few down-years, they still “beat the market” over long periods. So they are safe investments

    – But maybe the process and conviction and assumptions that made them great have changed.

    – I’m hopeful that the combo works out. I’m certain however that the hiring process was based on their legacy track records, with little work done to explore whether their recent poor records are an indication of anything other than bad luck, or rebuilding mode, or timing, etc

    – If they succeed great, retreads do all the time: despite their recent lack of success, they still have acumen, and the last 5 year track record was not a reflection of their abilities., but the circumstances

    – If they fail and don’t bring us a Cup, its’ because the last 5 years provided clues that maybe they are no longer current, and there were better choices long-term

    JT: You tell me that Klef, Larsson and Sek play a min. of 65 games each next year (or replacements that are just as good). and CMD and Drai are healthy, I think playoffs are virtually assured: because this will make the goalie good, the D will be all slotted properly, that D will create secondary scoring, and everything will be great

  45. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    ****DRAFT POLL ****

    According to Pronman’s list, Boldy, Broberg, Dach, Newhook and Podkolzin will all be available when the Oilers pick.

    Who would you choose?

    Which ever one already goes to the net without the puck and stays there, also must have an above average shot.

  46. dustrock says:

    Podkolzin skating may be an issue according to Pronman.

    I think I have Cozens over Dach and Krebs.

    He could be Bill Guerin I think. Very hard to pick this year.

  47. Munny says:

    godot10: Is Krebs gone?I’d take Krebs.

    Just what the Oilers need, another playmaking winger who can’t score.

  48. Munny says:

    ArmchairGM:
    ****DRAFT POLL ****

    According to Pronman’s list, Boldy, Broberg, Dach, Newhook and Podkolzin will all be available when the Oilers pick.

    Who would you choose?

    Boldy. Dach would get some consideration because of position.

  49. Munny says:

    dustrock: I think I have Cozens over Dach and Krebs.

    I definitely do too, but Armchair didn’t throw his name in the ring, so I’m guessing Pronman has him gone by 8.

    I disagree with LT that Dach and Cozens are essentially equal. Take Cozens.

  50. Nit64 says:

    Rondo:
    Have other teams in need of a coach since 2017 pursued Tippet?

    Seattle 😉

    Also Buffalo interviewed him. Might have preferred Seattle or Edmonton.

  51. ArmchairGM says:

    bwar: What has happened to Podkolzin? He was ranked 3rd on the rankings list for so long and now is just plummeting down the draft board.

    This from Pronman’s article:

    “The one thing that bugs me about him is his skating. His stride is a little awkward and inefficient, he’s hunched over, kicks his heels out, but he generates decent speed and hustles so hard that any technical flaw isn’t that exposed. He has two years left on his KHL contract with SKA and told The Athletic he intends to see that contract out.”

  52. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Which ever one already goes to the net without the puck and stays there, also must have an above average shot.

    Dach: At the Hlinka Gretzky Cup, he showed he could be a net-front guy on the power play.

    Boldy: Boldy has a quality shot and was often used as a trigger guy from the slot.

    Coin flip?

  53. ArmchairGM says:

    Munny: I definitely do too, but Armchair didn’t throw his name in the ring, so I’m guessing Pronman has him gone by 8.

    I disagree with LT that Dach and Cozens are essentially equal.Take Cozens.

    I agree that Cozens is superior to Dach. For the purposes of today’s poll Cozens gets picked at #7, thus isn’t available to the Oilers.

  54. Jaxon says:

    ArmchairGM:
    ****DRAFT POLL ****

    According to Pronman’s list, Boldy, Broberg, Dach, Newhook and Podkolzin will all be available when the Oilers pick.

    Who would you choose?

    Tomasino
    Seider
    Lavoie
    Kaliyev

  55. bwar says:

    ArmchairGM: This from Pronman’s article:

    “The one thing that bugs me about him is his skating. His stride is a little awkward and inefficient, he’s hunched over, kicks his heels out, but he generates decent speed and hustles so hard that any technical flaw isn’t that exposed. He has two years left on his KHL contract with SKA and told The Athletic he intends to see that contract out.”

    I guess he’d be a player that you would learn a lot from sitting down and talking to them. 2 years in the KHL isn’t a big deal but does he want to play in the NHL after that? I’ll be watching to see just how far he ends up falling. If he is the player that the Oilers end up targetting I bet you could trade back to 15ish and still get him they way everything appears to be playing out right now. Just based off what we’ve can see numbers wise, I think going for someone like Dach is a better choice at 8.

  56. Rich M says:

    silasbengtsson: Neglecting to mention the lack of talent and cap freedom that team had to work with doesn’t strengthen your point. I’d argue that he did a pretty good job with teams whose best C was Hanzal.

    Edit: Or Vermette. Or Belanger.

    What I like about Tippet is that in Arizona, he did a very good job when given a decent roster (conference finals), and then when cap freedom stripped away depth, he was able to get the most out of a roster that was fighting with one hand tied behind his back.

    It was dreadful to watch though and so while I won’t be upset if he’s hired, I’m a little concerned at what he might do with McDavid and Draisaitl.

    The other thing I saw (and posted on this last week) is when he was in Dallas, he again seemed to get the most out of an aging roster that was past it’s Stanley Cup window, coaching them to the 2nd round, once and the conference finals another time.

    I would prefer Todd Nelson (if given the opportunity), but I don’t think we’d have a situation like we did with McLellan where the coach was not able to maximize the talent on the roster and get them to play better if Tippet gets the job.

  57. Lowetide says:

    Ryan Rishaug
    @TSNRyanRishaug
    ·
    2m
    Oilers part ways with VP of Player Personnel Duane Sutter today. Was a large part of their pro scouting operation.

  58. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan Rishaug
    @TSNRyanRishaug
    ·
    2m
    Oilers part ways with VP of Player Personnel Duane Sutter today.Was a large part of their pro scouting operation.

    Never fun when someone loses their job but this was expected.

  59. silasbengtsson says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan Rishaug
    @TSNRyanRishaug
    ·
    2m
    Oilers part ways with VP of Player Personnel Duane Sutter today.Was a large part of their pro scouting operation.

    Good news for the improvement of our pro scouting department!

  60. Munny says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan Rishaug
    @TSNRyanRishaug
    ·
    2m
    Oilers part ways with VP of Player Personnel Duane Sutter today.Was a large part of their pro scouting operation.

    Had to be done.

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    The pro scouting and player development purge starts.

    I’ve expected at least two (if not all) of Duane Sutter, Bill Scott, Scott Howson and Bob Green to be gone.

    Not sure there will be many changes to the amateur scouting side but we’ll see.

  62. Munny says:

    JJ Hebert also gone according to Spector’s twits.

  63. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan Rishaug
    @TSNRyanRishaug
    ·
    2m
    Oilers part ways with VP of Player Personnel Duane Sutter today.Was a large part of their pro scouting operation.

    Man, I’m liking this Holland fellow more and more!

  64. Munny says:

    Jim Matheson‏ @NHLbyMatty · 4m4 minutes ago

    I get the sense VP of player development Scott Howson will be staying on in Edmonton in that capacity or another one. He made an hour-long presentation on prospects at pro meetings last week…

    Jim Matheson‏ @NHLbyMatty · 7m7 minutes ago

    Oilers might have head coaching hire by end of week. Dave Tippett still seems front-runner

  65. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Munny:
    JJ Hebert also gone according to Spector’s twits.

    – Interesting tell: JJ worked with Bob at Hockey Canada: he couldn’t protect him…

    – Doesn’t matter from a hockey perspective, but its’ something…

    – Met JJ randomly once: good guy who gave impression that he won lottery

  66. Pouzar says:

    Logan Day signed to one year Entry Level deal.

  67. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM: This from Pronman’s article:

    “The one thing that bugs me about him is his skating. His stride is a little awkward and inefficient, he’s hunched over, kicks his heels out, but he generates decent speed and hustles so hard that any technical flaw isn’t that exposed. He has two years left on his KHL contract with SKA and told The Athletic he intends to see that contract out.”

    Smart guy. He wants to be drafted by a good hockey team instead of a bad one.

  68. Professor Q says:

    Goodbye Duane Sutter, hello Logan Day.

  69. russ99 says:

    Munny,

    If Howson sticks in amateur scouting, that wouldn’t be the end of the world, it’s pro scouting where there’s the bigger problem.

  70. Ben says:

    Sounds like Howson will retain his responsibilities of randomly drunk-texting prospects from his den in Columbus.

    The amateur side could still use help, but pro-scouting is an emergency. Hope Sutter leaving is the tip of the iceberg.

  71. Lowetide says:

    Jason Gregor
    @JasonGregor
    ·
    13m
    The #Oilers have signed Logan Day to a one-year ELC. Very good offensively. Needs to work on defensive side, and I expect he will play bigger role in AHL next year. He earned NHL deal.

  72. Jethro Tull says:

    Munny:
    Jim Matheson‏ @NHLbyMatty · 4m4 minutes ago

    I get the sense VP of player development Scott Howson will be staying on in Edmonton in that capacity or another one. He made an hour-long presentation on prospects at pro meetings last week…

    Jim Matheson‏ @NHLbyMatty · 7m7 minutes ago

    Oilers might have head coaching hire by end of week. Dave Tippett still seems front-runner

    Lol, like Lionel Hutz:

    “What is a prospect? Webster’s defines it as a person regarded as likely to succeed. *finger quotes* likely……”

  73. Jethro Tull says:

    Ben:
    Sounds like Howson will retain his responsibilities of randomly drunk-texting prospects from his den in Columbus.

    The amateur side could still use help, but pro-scouting is an emergency. Hope Sutter leaving is the tip of the iceberg.

    I’m just down the road. I’ll go sort him out.

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rishaug reporting the new coach could be in place by Friday and that Nelson unlikely to be in the running.

    I would thinks it’s got to be Tippet – just fine with me. Time will tell but he would have potential. Coached top 10 scoring teams in Dallas and got a poor Coyotes team to over-achieve. From account, players love playing for him.

  75. Ben says:

    I will trade all of my future children for Matheson’s hiring headline to read: “JUST THE TIPPETT!” — thinking of it only as a play on “Just the Ticket”.

    Also, one would have to think that if the team’s officially announcing moves today that Sutter, MacT and Hebert are the only cuts in management likely to happen before the draft.

    I’m not sure that’s cutting deeply enough into the pro side. All depends who they’re adding, I guess.

  76. Professor Q says:

    Ben,

    Have we reached the Tippett point of Gene Principe’s influence over us all?

  77. Professor Q says:

    Apparently, J. J. Hebert has also left the Oilers organization.

    Tip of the iceberg, indeed.

  78. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Professor Q:

    Tip of the iceberg, indeed.

    – Just the tip: promise

  79. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Rishaug reporting the new coach could be in place by Friday and that Nelson unlikely to be in the running.

    I would thinks it’s got to be Tippet – just fine with me.Time will tell but he would have potential.Coached top 10 scoring teams in Dallas and got a poor Coyotes team to over-achieve.From account, players love playing forhim.

    And lately, love playing and losing for him.

  80. Pouzar says:

    I don’t dislike the Tippett hire just like I didn’t dislike the Chia/TMc hires before that.

    Can we just once try something different?

  81. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:

    Remember when Toronto fired em all and embarked on the “Shanahan Plan”.Then Shanahan hired Dubas and everyone said – Who?Thet didnt go with the safe picks, but they map out a plan and stick to it.

    What has Dubas done since being hired that impresses?

    He totally effed up the Leafs back-up tending situation this past year – Sparks was the wrong choice.

    His bag trade for Muzzin was OK, i guess, but he used his top currency without filling the important hole on right defence – Muzzin was not the optimal target

    Nylander situation in general – time will tell on the contract.

    The Matthews contract was just awful. He gave Mattews and max term AAV/Cap hit but with a 5-year term – the worst possible term taking the player right to UFA status without buying a single UFA year – just an awful deal.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar:
    Logan Day signed to one year Entry Level deal.

    Very nice. He earned it with his play and improvement through the year (he was on an AHL only deal).

    I don’t think he’ll ever play an NHL game (still miles to go outside of the offensive game) but he definitely helps the Condors.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Jason Gregor
    @JasonGregor
    ·
    13m
    The #Oilers have signed Logan Day to a one-year ELC. Very good offensively. Needs to work on defensive side, and I expect he will play bigger role in AHL next year. He earned NHL deal.

    I’m fine with the signing but I’m not sure about the “bigger role” – I mean, is he going to play higher than Bouchard, Bear, Persson on the right side? He isn’t any better defensively than the first two (and I can’t really speak to Persson). I can’t see him getting any more PP time – there were large portions of the season where he was playing on the PP ahead of Bear (and, yes, when both in the lineup).

  84. Ben says:

    Pouzar:
    I don’t dislike the Tippett hire just like I didn’t dislike the Chia/TMc hires before that.

    Can we just once try something different?

    Like not icing a roster so weak that no coach on earth could will them into the playoffs?

    They probably still think the Eakins/Dellow era was their big progressive moment, and see that as much or more of an abject failure as everything else they’ve tried.

    I agree with you that going status-quo is a missed opportunity, but Holland/Tippett is a baseline of experience (if not competence) as a control against roster evaluation.

    The windows are re-dressed. Now go get better players.

  85. PinkSocks says:

    OriginalPouzar: What has Dubas done since being hired that impresses?

    He totally effed up the Leafs back-up tending situation this past year – Sparks was the wrong choice.

    His bag trade for Muzzin was OK, i guess, but he used his top currency without filling the important hole on right defence – Muzzin was not the optimal target

    Nylander situation in general – time will tell on the contract.

    The Matthews contract was just awful.He gave Mattews and max term AAV/Cap hit but with a 5-year term – the worst possible term taking the player right to UFA status without buying a single UFA year – just an awful deal.

    Agree with all of this. You also left out signing Tavares which gave Marner all of the bargaining power for his second contract. No foresight whatsoever.

  86. PinkSocks says:

    Pouzar:
    I don’t dislike the Tippett hire just like I didn’t dislike the Chia/TMc hires before that.

    Can we just once try something different?

    I don’t mind Holland, in fact I think he is a very good GM and has made mostly the right decisions in Detroit. I would much prefer Nelson over Tippett.

  87. Reja says:

    Ben:
    I will trade all of my future children for Matheson’s hiring headline to read: “JUST THE TIPPETT!” — thinking of it only as a play on “Just the Ticket”.

    Also, one would have to think that if the team’s officially announcing moves today that Sutter, MacT and Hebert are the only cuts in management likely to happen before the draft.

    I’m not sure that’s cutting deeply enough into the pro side. All depends who they’re adding, I guess.

    Never piss into the wind that was my Grandpa’s Tippett when I was 6

  88. Profit says:

    The success of both the Holland and Tippett (presumed) hires comes down to can these skilled and qualified men continue to learn and progress in their respective fields?

    No one here would argue that either are unqualified, and this thread basically speaks to the fact that they are both safe choices.

    Everything comes down to the belief – they can change to incorporate all of the new innovation within the industry, or not?

    I don’t currently have a strong feeling either way, but my slight bias would be that they should be able to change and evolve. Chia and to a lesser extent McLellan appeared to not be able to do so. I am feeling pretty ambivalent about things these days, but think it’s pretty appropriate for Sutter to lose his job based on the results for pro scouting.

  89. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: What has Dubas done since being hired that impresses?

    He totally effed up the Leafs back-up tending situation this past year – Sparks was the wrong choice.

    His bag trade for Muzzin was OK, i guess, but he used his top currency without filling the important hole on right defence – Muzzin was not the optimal target

    Nylander situation in general – time will tell on the contract.

    The Matthews contract was just awful.He gave Mattews and max term AAV/Cap hit but with a 5-year term – the worst possible term taking the player right to UFA status without buying a single UFA year – just an awful deal.

    He’s done sweet FA but he’s young looks good in a suit and smiles a lot. Matthews and Nylanders agents played him like a fiddle in my opinion.

  90. Professor Q says:

    PinkSocks: Agree with all of this.You also left out signing Tavares which gave Marner all of the bargaining power for his second contract.No foresight whatsoever.

    Imagine if he had let San Jose sign Tavares for $13.5 million per, and was then able to trade for and sign Karlsson?

  91. Ben says:

    Reja: He’s done sweet FA but he’s young looks good in a suit and smiles a lot. Matthews and Nylanders agents played him like a fiddle in my opinion.

    I think there’s merit in OP’s critique of Dubas’s work, but it’s disingenuous to elide the fact that he landed the best free agent since Stamkos on a decent deal.

  92. Nit64 says:

    Pouzar:
    I don’t dislike the Tippett hire just like I didn’t dislike the Chia/TMc hires before that.

    Can we just once try something different?

    ~ You can try disliking a hire ~

  93. Nit64 says:

    Professor Q:
    Ben,

    Have we reached the Tippett point of Gene Principe’s influence over us all?

    Save the Tippett jokes for the front of the net where they are needed.

  94. Wolfpack says:

    Not sure what I am hoping for in terms of a head coach, but I like Holland for this reason.

    He had the superstars… Yzerman, Shanahan and Fedorov in the early years and Datsyuk and Zetterberg later on, with Lidstrom the anchor throughout. But he always seemed to do a phenomenal job of filling in the other pieces like Kronwall, Maltby, Draper, Hudler, Holmstrom, Franzen. Bringing in the right pieces AFTER the top guys has been a major failing of this organization since drafting Hall.

  95. Reja says:

    Ben: I think there’s merit in OP’s critique of Dubas’s work, but it’s disingenuous to elide the fact that he landed the best free agent since Stamkos on a decent deal.

    I believe if Maggie the monkey waved 77 million dollar contract less a dollar for the local hometown hero he would have signed just as easily.

  96. dustrock says:

    Has anyone done an analysis on Moustached Tippett vs Clean-Cut Tippett?

    Could be critical.

  97. Professor Q says:

    Wolfpack:
    Not sure what I am hoping for in terms of a head coach, but I like Holland for this reason.

    He had the superstars… Yzerman, Shanahan and Fedorov in the early years and Datsyuk and Zetterberg later on, with Lidstrom the anchor throughout. But he always seemed to do a phenomenal job of filling in the other pieces like Kronwall, Maltby, Draper, Hudler, Holmstrom, Franzen. Bringing in the right pieces AFTER the top guys has been a major failing of this organization since drafting Hall.

    And let’s not forget about Hasek, CuJo, Osgood, Konstantinov, Coffey, Hull, Chelios, Cleary, Fetisov, Filppula, Fischer, Helm, Hossa, Green, Klima, Slava Kozlov, Verbeek, Larionov, Lapointe, Larry Murphy, Robitaille, Rafalski, Samuelsson, Jason Williams, Brad Stuart, etc.

    Oy vey. Imagine them all on the same team at one time?

  98. Bag of Pucks says:

    This could be the start of a major exodus. If you’re planning on truly cleaning house, dusting the media mouthpiece early is a wise choice.

    C’mon Holland. Swing that axe like Nicholson in The Shining.

    “Here’s Kenny!!”

  99. Darth Tu says:

    Professor Q: And let’s not forget about Hasek, CuJo, Osgood, Konstantinov, Coffey, Hull, Chelios, Cleary, Fetisov, Filppula, Fischer, Helm, Hossa, Green, Klima, Slava Kozlov, Verbeek, Larionov, Lapointe, Larry Murphy, Robitaille, Rafalski, Samuelsson, Jason Williams, Brad Stuart, etc.

    Oy vey. Imagine them all on the same team at one time?

    Man, that team would be almost as good as the 1995-2004 Avalanche.

  100. Reja says:

    Wolfpack:
    Not sure what I am hoping for in terms of a head coach, but I like Holland for this reason.

    He had the superstars… Yzerman, Shanahan and Fedorov in the early years and Datsyuk and Zetterberg later on, with Lidstrom the anchor throughout. But he always seemed to do a phenomenal job of filling in the other pieces like Kronwall, Maltby, Draper, Hudler, Holmstrom, Franzen. Bringing in the right pieces AFTER the top guys has been a major failing of this organization since drafting Hall.

    He also seemed to keep everyone’s ego in check no matter how much or little they were making can’t recall any soap opera scenes during his time as GM.

  101. Professor Q says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    This could be the start of a major exodus. If you’re planning on truly cleaning house, dusting the media mouthpiece early is a wise choice.

    C’mon Holland. Swing that axe like Nicholson in The Shining.

    “Here’s Kenny!!”

    But wasn’t Nicholson’s character driven insane and homicidal, eventually leading to his own demise?

    I want a Cup…

  102. Professor Q says:

    Darth Tu: Man, that team would be almost as good as the 1995-2004 Avalanche.

    Both very good teams, and pseudo-dynasties. Holland managed to keep his going for a few years longer, however.

  103. JOFA says:

    Howson gave a presentation. Wow! He’s spent the majority of his career with the organization, but that presentation was impressive. Fuck off. Fire his ass immediately please and thank you.

    Well well well MacT was pro scouting. Who knew? I thought he was just responsible for making the Condors an incredible team😉

    Howson, Messier, Scott, and Cichocki need to be the next ones out the door.

  104. Side says:

    JOFA:
    Howson gave a presentation. Wow! He’s spent the majority of his career with the organization, but that presentation was impressive. Fuck off. Fire his ass immediately please and thank you.

    Well well well MacT was pro scouting. Who knew? I thought he was just responsible for making the Condors an incredible team

    Howson, Messier, Scott, and Cichocki need to be the next ones out the door.

    Don’t underestimate the power of a good PowerPoint.

    Or maybe he used a Prezi and really wow’d em.

  105. Wilde says:

    Bobby Brink is diet Brayden Point change my mind

  106. Ben says:

    Wilde:
    Bobby Brink is diet Brayden Point change my mind

    Maybe Brayden Point Zero?

  107. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: Dach: At the Hlinka Gretzky Cup, he showed he could be a net-front guy on the power play.

    Boldy: Boldy has a quality shot and was often used as a trigger guy from the slot.

    Coin flip?

    “Net front guy 5v4” isn’t always “guy who goes to the net without the puck”

    I don’t know these players well enough to pick one.

    Going to the net without the puck 5v5 (and knows what to do once there) and has a shot is what the team needs.

  108. OilSafety says:

    Side: Don’t underestimate the power of a good PowerPoint.

    Or maybe he used a Prezi and really wow’d em.

    Why do you hate Google Slides?
    I

  109. Bag of Pucks says:

    Professor Q: But wasn’t Nicholson’s character driven insane and homicidal, eventually leading to his own demise?

    I want a Cup…

    Firing the OBC en masse is a very sane thing for Holland to do.

    Either you made bad decisions, you made no decisions, or you made good decisions and nobody listened to you. Those are the only explanations for individual involvement in this tire fire – none of which are good.

  110. Darth Tu says:

    Professor Q: Both very good teams, and pseudo-dynasties. Holland managed to keep his going for a few years longer, however.

    Totally true. I used to rather enjoy watching the old Avalanche/Red Wings demolition derbies back in that era.

  111. Nit64 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    This could be the start of a major exodus. If you’re planning on truly cleaning house, dusting the media mouthpiece early is a wise choice.

    C’mon Holland. Swing that axe like Nicholson in The Shining.

    “Here’s Kenny!!”

    Kenny: Who’s in charge of stopping the rightsholder from slagging current and ex-players.
    Oil Brass: Stopping?
    Kenny: Ok, we need a new media relations head.

  112. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock:
    Podkolzin skating may be an issue according to Pronman.

    I think I have Cozens over Dach and Krebs.

    He could be Bill Guerin I think. Very hard to pick this year.

    A Bill Guerin type is exactly what I’m thinking.

  113. Reja says:

    JOFA:
    Howson gave a presentation. Wow! He’s spent the majority of his career with the organization, but that presentation was impressive. Fuck off. Fire his ass immediately please and thank you.

    Well well well MacT was pro scouting. Who knew? I thought he was just responsible for making the Condors an incredible team

    Howson, Messier, Scott, and Cichocki need to be the next ones out the door.

    The goaltending coach must have scratched and won a set for a lifetime job ticket because he’s untouchable in fact his name is never brought up.

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    Go Guelph!!!

  115. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock:
    Has anyone done an analysis on Moustached Tippett vs Clean-Cut Tippett?

    Could be critical.

    Moustache that extends down below the sides of the mouth past the lips to > clean shaven > basic moustache

    This is known.

  116. Professor Q says:

    Bag of Pucks: Firing the OBC en masse is a very sane thing for Holland to do.

    Either you made bad decisions, you made no decisions, or you made good decisions and nobody listened to you. Those are the only explanations for individual involvement in this tire fire – none of which are good.

    What?

    I agree.

    I was just being cheeky about comparing Holland to Jack Torrance.

  117. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Ben: Maybe Brayden Point Zero?

    This is quality content

  118. Munny says:

    Reja: The goaltending coach must have scratched and wona set for a lifetime job ticket because he’s untouchable in fact his name is never brought up.

    IIRC, that’s not one but TWO goaltending coaches.

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    Beautiful goal by Guelph – wonderful pass by Suzuki.

  120. Reja says:

    Munny: IIRC, that’s not one but TWO goaltending coaches.

    View Talbot and Kosh and Brossoit to some degree style of play before Oilers during and after all three are on their knees way to soon all beat up high regularly and more concerning easily. Does anybody else see this or am I seeing what’s not there.

  121. Reja says:

    If St. Loo wins does heavy hockey come back a bit will it possibly aide Holland to some extent in a Lucic deal

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a goal by Ratcliffe to give Guelph back the lead.

  123. Oil2Oilers says:

    Samorukov’s decision to tie up Gregor’s stick was the correct one, despite the penalty and PP goal

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov with an iffy clearing attempt (he had time to make a stronger play) which was kept in at the point and the shot was deflected in. Game tied at 2.

  125. Munny says:

    Samo:

    Looked a little like soft, white rice on the Storm PP.

    Struggled to clear the puck on a shift mid-period, including an outright giveaway.

    Next shift played a one-on-one near perfect defensively.

    An aimless clear led to the Guelph second goal late in the period. Could be an issue in his game.

    He’s not fast, but he’s mobile. Positioning is a strength.

  126. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ben: I think there’s merit in OP’s critique of Dubas’s work, but it’s disingenuous to elide the fact that he landed the best free agent since Stamkos on a decent deal.

    Given Tavares only wanted to be in TO I’m not sure Dubas had much to do except make a deal.

  127. Numenius says:

    Holland as gm and Tippet as coach feels the same as Pete as gm and Mclellan as coach.

    Famous names. Supposedly “safe” veterans with little risk.

    But the same old cycle. Guys unaware of and unsuited to the uniqueness of the Oilers situation and what they really need (e.g. a Todd Nelson).

    I hope I’m wrong.

  128. Munny says:

    Guelph checking was a lot better in the 2nd and they’re rewarded with a two goal lead.

    PA had difficulty generating any scoring chances. And most of their best play came with Samo and Durzi on the bench.

    Samo took a clear boarding into the Guelph gate that looked ugly, but somehow survived.

    He covers a lot for Durzi, his much more adventurous D partner, in fact I hypothesize (from a very limited sample) that PA prefers to come down Durzi’s side of the ice. Samo also made at least two plays on the right hand boards, when Durzi was caught out of position.

    Because he covers so much, Samo hasn’t really been involved in the offence that much.

    That said, he had two shot attempts… a blown one-timer, and a wrister off a scramble play top of the circle that hit the goalie in the crest.

    When he defends the neutral zone, he likes to step up and cut plays off or simply force them offside, but Gregor did make one foray at him, and for the first time this game I saw Samo respect the opponent’s speed and give the blue line up. Gregor’s probably the best skater on the ice tonight so fair enough.

  129. Munny says:

    Samo takes a puck off the noggin. Having a not so fun game.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    Why does it feel like Holland is more of the same vis-a-vis Chiarelli? Aside from the fact that Holland isn’t’ a fresh face with minimal if any NHL GM experience, how are they the same?

    Holland is one of the most successful managers of all time that, from accounts, has zero ego and is adaptable, surrounds himself with the right people and listens to them. This doesn’t sound like Chiarelli’s tenure as Oiler’s GM at all.

    McLellan was apt to not protect his players as an Oiler coach. Tippet is known as a player’s coach. McLellan was known to be extremely stubborn and not change his approach or systems to fit his players. Tippet is know for adapting to his roster – the game played by the Stars when he was a coach was far different from that of the Coyotes.

    Aside from them not being inexperienced, as it seems many want, where are these similarities?

    As an aside, what has the prime example of the “new age GM”, Kyle Dubas, accomplished? He’s made 3-4 really really big mistakes that have hurt, and will hurt, his team.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    WHL about to go bagel in the Memorial Cup yet again as they are down 5-2 to Guelph in late in the third. Assuming this holds, I think it may be 15 straight (may just be 14).

    Sean Durzi continues to make plus offensive plays in transition.

    Ratcliffe scored an absolutely sensational goal.

    Suzuki has been very good tonight – couple of goals and an apple i think – real nice plays.

    Not Samorukov’s best game but that’s OK – more to come!

  132. Bag of Pucks says:

    Watching Couture, Barzal and Perron in these playoffs has been a bitter pill for Oiler fans.

    2 of the 3 could’ve been Oilers or Voracek too for that matter. Ended up with a Gagner & Reinhart instead.

    Add in the Hall trade and there’s 3 self inflicted roster holes in your Top 6.

    Hall/McDavid/Draisaitl
    RNH/Couture/Perron
    or
    Perron/RNH/Voracek

    That’s Cup caliber right there,

  133. Munny says:

    Pretty uneventful period for Samo after the puck off the noggin.

    Coach paired him up with Lalonde on a couple of shifts, one of which was eventful… giveaway by Lalonde from behind his net to net-front, which the netminder stopped. Samo calmly collects the puck from behind thenet and then makes an excellent headman to the blue line while under pressure.

    Had, IIRC, 5 shot attempts and 3 shots on net in the 3rd. First was an off balance slapper, and most of the rest of the offense came off one shift where Samo ventured down to the opposing goal line and had a couple of good opportunities.

    Also made a very good play into the slot on a different shift where he outwaited the block that went down in front of him and made a solid pass to the Centre.

    It was noticeable on a few plays in the 3rd that when he has the puck he has a very low panic point, and can make calm plays under pressure.

    From this viewing, I’d say the weakest part of his toolbox is straight ahead speed and acceleration, but nothing unfixable,

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Drafting Chicklets over Gagner alters the course of everything after it and it would be quite possible that none of Hall, McDavid, Drai, Nuge are Oilers.

  135. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Ben:
    Pronman loving the Yankees. Turcotte over Byram, and hard to argue with his Caufield ranking given the goal totals.

    I’m ok with Tippett. He’s a player’s coach and likes the math. Very curious who else he brings with him.

    EDIT: Interesting take on Tippett here: https://www.defendingbigd.com/2012/4/13/2941077/dave-tippett-defense-mark-fistric-matt-niskanen

    Proman didn’t see Byram good enough then.

    He’s the goods.

    High end goods.

    Might be better or as good as Heiskenen.

  136. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Drafting Chicklets over Gagner alters the course of everything after it and it would be quite possible that none of Hall, McDavid, Drai, Nuge are Oilers.

    No one had him that high except SJS.

    Big Data when it wasn’t cool.

  137. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Proman didn’t see Byram good enough then.

    He’s the goods.

    High end goods.

    Might be better or as good as Heiskenen.

    The following have Byram ranked worse than 3rd (anywhere from 4 to 10, with 6th looking like the slotting)

    Sam Cosentino
    Chris Peters ESPN
    Scott Wheeler the Athletic
    Prospect Pipeline
    the Draft Analyst
    McKeens
    Larry Fisher THW
    Future Considerations
    Craig Button
    Hockey Prospects
    Dobber Prospects
    CSS Central Scouting
    Ryan Kennedy THN
    and
    Bob McKenzie

    It’s a pretty weak year for defensemen, especially at the top of the draft. Byram’s the best of the bunch, but the scouts seem to agree he’s not a lock to be The Goods.

  138. Bag of Pucks says:

    This idea that all of the OBCs ineptitude had been worth it cos it led to McDavid and Draisaitl is probably one of the most misguided memes on this board.

    Stupidity leading to luck is not a tenable rationale for stupidity as a business model.

    If we’re going to start indulging in this Butterfly Effect BS for everything, I guess the Gretzky trade was worth it cos eventually it leads to the McDavid lottery win. lol

    People on a math driven site arguing that the randomness of a lottery win would be impacted by a causal factor years earlier. I think someone’s missing the point of how random works.

    And if Logan Couture was singlehandedly good enough to prevent the Oilers qualifying for those lotteries, than missing that pick is even more egregiously stupid.

  139. Ben says:

    Quick tangent on leadership and Holland handing out pink slips.

    At my work we have a bunch of metrics for staff engagement. There are a bunch specific to how people feel about their leaders.

    Interestingly, more impactful than psychological safety or even competence is whether or not staff feel that their leader deals appropriately with those who aren’t performing.

    It’s incredibly important to set a culture of accountability so that people feel that good work can be recognized and rewarded, and poor work can be coached or eliminated.

    Katz has utterly failed to set a culture of accountability in the organization. I deeply hope that the perception of these Holland decisions does something to show people that results actually matter.

  140. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: What has Dubas done since being hired that impresses?

    He totally effed up the Leafs back-up tending situation this past year – Sparks was the wrong choice.

    His bag trade for Muzzin was OK, i guess, but he used his top currency without filling the important hole on right defence – Muzzin was not the optimal target

    Nylander situation in general – time will tell on the contract.

    The Matthews contract was just awful.He gave Mattews and max term AAV/Cap hit but with a 5-year term – the worst possible term taking the player right to UFA status without buying a single UFA year – just an awful deal.

    I don’t know about the Muzzin deal. That Sean Durzi kid is looking real good for Guelph right now. And that was on top of the first round pick.

  141. jtblack says:

    Munny,

    going to be very interesting to see how he does in NHL .. he set all kinds of records for Draft Eligble D men this season … so whether this year is weak for D men or not, comparing Byram across the last 20 years of draft eligble D men out of the WHL ; he was better than them all …

    He was the 1st defenseman EVER to lead the WHL Playoffs in scoring. Never done by a 20 yr old, 19 yr old etc .. Yet as a 17 yr old D man he did it ….

    When we discuss if a player goes 3rd or 6th, I think we are splitting hairs. Byram is clearly one of the top 6 players in the World for his age group … Time will tell what he becomes at the NHL level ..

    I feel like a Good comparable is Morgan Reilly ..

    cheers alll!!!!!!!!!!

  142. Munny says:

    13 points at the end of the 3rd might just be enough of a lead to hold off the Bucks…

  143. Ancient Oilers Fan says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Being Ancient, I have a very long past.

    I have found that living in the past is not all that fruitful.

    My Mother had dementia for 20 years during which time she lived in the past.

    I don’t want to go there.

    The past is done.

  144. Munny says:

    jtblack,

    I’d feel more comfortable if he was a lock in the 3 hole then, but he’s nowhere near a lock it appears.

  145. Munny says:

    JimmyV1965: I don’t know about the Muzzin deal. That Sean Durzi kid is looking real good for Guelph right now. And that was on top of the first round pick.

    He’s a real riverboat gambler… the kind that bets the entire paddle-wheeler on a pair of Jacks. He’s a dynamic player, and often looks like a 4th forward, but he didn’t get a lot accomplished today considering the number and the size of the bets he made. He might have just been trying to do too much, dunno.

  146. silasbengtsson says:

    Munny: The following have Byram ranked worse than 3rd (anywhere from 4 to 10, with 6th looking like the slotting)

    Sam Cosentino
    Chris Peters ESPN
    Scott Wheeler the Athletic
    Prospect Pipeline
    the Draft Analyst
    McKeens
    Larry Fisher THW
    Future Considerations
    Craig Button
    Hockey Prospects
    Dobber Prospects
    CSS Central Scouting
    Ryan Kennedy THN
    and
    Bob McKenzie

    It’s a pretty weak year for defensemen, especially at the top of the draft. Byram’s the best of the bunch, but the scouts seem to agree he’s not a lock to be The Goods.

    And we’ve also seen the “scout’s consensus” be very wrong, countless times. Some of us here believe this is one of those times. He’s tied for #2 on my list.

  147. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ancient Oilers Fan,

    “Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.”

  148. Munny says:

    Been such a long wait for Blues fans, not to mention getting Orr’s highlight goal rubbed in their faces the entire time… I’m pretty happy for their fanbase.

  149. russ99 says:

    Reja,

    They’re not done. New coach will choose the coaching staff.

  150. lenko says:

    Maroon celebrating!!!!!!

  151. Reja says:

    Nice to see the Sharks do their usual disappearing act when things get tough.

  152. Munny says:

    silasbengtsson,

    I was replying to a gentleman who earlier in the thread admitted he has seen none of these players. I think it’s safe to assume that he’s then going off the assessment of others. So I posted the assessment of others… McKenzie for eg—whose list incorporates the average ranking of multiple scouts—has him 6th.

    I’m no fan of Pronman, I think he does things just to be different from the crowd at times. This doesn’t appear to be one of those times.

    Don’t get me wrong, if I’m taking a defenseman, Byram would be my top choice, but his ceiling appears to be arguable.

  153. Bag of Pucks says:

    Berube. Parayko. Bouwmeester. Big Rig. Even Perron (take that Eakins!).

    Lots of great Edmonton or Oilers connections with this St Loo team.

    Blues vs Bruins. Great Finals matchup. Can’t wait.

  154. Wilde says:

    Ben: Maybe Brayden Point Zero?

    that was quick

  155. LMHF#1 says:

    Congrats to the Blues and their fans. They deserve some success.

    And hey – at least the Oilers contributed to something in the Cup final this year. It was the shellacking the Blues gave them that started the turnaround for real.

  156. dessert1111 says:

    godot10: As safe as Todd McLellan, no doubt! -).

    Who demonstrated he couldn’t recognize a good role player from a bad role player.Who couldn’t inspire maximum effort out of his team.

    I admit I am biased.I want my guy.

    I think McLellan was a good hire at the time.

    Overall I think he was ok in Edmonton. Would’ve liked to see what he could’ve done with a better roster.

  157. Pouzar says:

    Will the fussy one get one right?

    Tracy Lane

    @TreenasOil
    9m9 minutes ago

    Horc

  158. Nit64 says:

    Pouzar:
    Will the fussy one get one right?

    Tracy Lane

    @TreenasOil9m9 minutes ago

    Horc

    As Head Coach that would be a scoop.

    Replacing someone in the management team? Rumored for a while

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: I don’t know about the Muzzin deal. That Sean Durzi kid is looking real good for Guelph right now. And that was on top of the first round pick.

    Durzi is good but Samorukov covers for lots of his roaming and mistakes – he’s also 8 months older than Samorukov. Very good prospect, not great, in my opinion.

  160. Nit64 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Ancient Oilers Fan,

    “Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.”

    As that great philosopher Kenneth Holland once said:

    ““You can only live in the past for so long”

  161. silasbengtsson says:

    Nit64: As Head Coach that would be a scoop.

    Replacing someone in the management team? Rumored for a while

    He’s been a part of the player personnel department in Detroit iirc. Might be a good fit considering Sutter’s exit.

  162. Nit64 says:

    silasbengtsson: He’s been a part of the player personnel department in Detroit iirc. Might be a good fit considering Sutter’s exit.

    Exactly. Tree wasn’t going out on a limb with that prediction.

  163. Gerta Rauss says:

    Pouzar:
    Will the fussy one get one right?

    Tracy Lane

    @TreenasOil9m9 minutes ago

    Horc

    Nit64: As Head Coach that would be a scoop.

    Replacing someone in the management team? Rumored for a while

    I heard they’re paying him $7M a season

  164. godot10 says:

    dessert1111: I think McLellan was a good hire at the time.

    Overall I think he was ok in Edmonton. Would’ve liked to see what he could’ve done with a better roster.

    McLellan was a major contributor to the roster being so bad.

    Tippett did worse in Arizona after his coup against Dan Maloney.

  165. JimmyV1965 says:

    Ben:
    Quick tangent on leadership and Holland handing out pink slips.

    At my work we have a bunch of metrics for staff engagement. There are a bunch specific to how people feel about their leaders.

    Interestingly, more impactful than psychological safety or even competence is whether or not staff feel that their leader deals appropriately with those who aren’t performing.

    It’s incredibly important to set a culture of accountability so that people feel that good work can be recognized and rewarded, and poor work can be coached or eliminated.

    Katz has utterly failed to set a culture of accountability in the organization. I deeply hope that the perception of these Holland decisions does something to show people that results actually matter.

    Very good post. And yet another reason Lucic needs to be gone.

  166. Nit64 says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    I heard they’re paying him $7M a season

    ~ Not to worry. Doesn’t count to the cap. Won’t be his fault for signing it. Will judge him by his performance not his contract ~

  167. dustrock says:

    Munny,

    Check out nextgenhockey.ca

    Great profile on Byram. Advanced stats plus video clips.

    https://nextgenhockey.ca/2019/05/16/nextgen-hockey-2019-draft-prospect-profile-bowen-byram/

    Byram with a 11.2% GFrel

    Obviously not the only stat to consider but with these draft eligibles I think it’s worth noting.

    One thing that stood out to me with Dach is that he has a slightly negative (-0.96%) GFrel. Lower than guys like Cozens and Krebs.

  168. Gerta Rauss says:

    Nit64: ~ Not to worry. Doesn’tcount to the cap.Won’t be his fault for signing it. Will judge him by his performance not his contact ~

    He was a 1st line center..!!

  169. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Durzi is good but Samorukov covers for lots of his roaming and mistakes – he’s also 8 months older than Samorukov.Very good prospect, not great, in my opinion.

    They’re very different players. It’s hard to say if his constant pinching will translate well in the NHL. And no doubt Sami covers him off to do all that roaming. But he’s been dynamite at the Mem Cup. I also heard that the Leafs wanted the Kings to take Liljegren, but they insisted on Durzi.

  170. Munny says:

    dustrock: Check out nextgenhockey.ca

    Why?

    I’ve already said, I’d take him over any other defenseman. And I’ve already seen a ton of vid.

    This wasn’t about my opinion but rather the opinions of scouts and pundits.

    And the setting of a player’s ceiling in pretty certain terms.

    I mean no one can say for certain Hughes will be a better player than Kakko, for eg. Is he the better bet? Sure. But it is by no means a lock.

    Should Byram have been a 3rd or a 6th or a 9th pick when the future is finished revealing itself? Right now opinions vary… I showed that they vary and for some reason people feel the need to convince me he’s the next coming.

  171. RonnieB says:

    Nit64: ~ Not to worry. Doesn’tcount to the cap.Won’t be his fault for signing it. Will judge him by his performance not his contract ~

    Horcoff is Director of player development with the Red Wings, doing basically the same job as Howson has with the Oilers. This could mean Howson will be following Sutter out the door.

  172. YKOil says:

    Would prefer Nelson over Tippet but fine with Tippet. Rarely a good day when someone loses a job (I can make exceptions) so I feel for Sutter, but we needed to move on from this pro-scouting group – we really did.

    Sharks are a lesser team without Pavelski. He does for them what Schwartz does for the Blues – it wasn’t just Binnington, Blues improved dramatically with Schwartz back. Good for them and their fans.

    Also, what Dubas does this off-season will define him going forward imo. The Matthews deal was a mistake and the Tavares deal could be one as well if Dubas can’t stop the bleeding this off-season. He needs to convince Minnesota to trade them Dumba for Nylander, Marner to take $9 to $10 million, and then hold the line on Johnsson and Kapanen. I don’t think he can do it.

  173. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    YKOil,

    I’m pretty sure he didn’t expect Marner (like many others) to be this good this quickly. He was probably banking on him to put up at most 70 points. Also wasn’t expecting so many secondary players to have career years at the same time. Kind of like what happened to the oilers in 2016-2017 but to the extreme.

    I for one am glad that the leafs bowed out in round 1 AND the entire team blew the roof off all in their contract year. The cap catches up quickly…

  174. Jaxon says:

    I like the results of this mock draft:
    Puck77: Puck77’s First Mock NHL Entry Draft – Results & Notes.
    https://puck77.com/2019/05/21/puck77s-first-mock-nhl-entry-draft-results-notes/

  175. Jaxon says:

    Cozens is looking like more of a possibility all the time. Of 4 major rankings to come out since May 6th, Cozens is ranked 9th (Chris Peters, ESPN), 6th (Sam Cosentino, Sportsnet), 9th (Cam Robinson, Dobber Prospects), 7th (Corey Pronman, The Athletic). If a team reaches a bit for aD like Broberg, it could push all those back a spot. I didn’t think it was possible a month ago, but these spring tournaments seem to have raised the profile of some players, especially the Americans, who I’m not crazy about as it’s hard to tell who is zooming who on that team and their 5v5 primary production isn’t all that great even with the ability to run 9 quality forwards against lesser competition all season. Podkolzin is the other wild card. You really have to trust your scouts to pick him as he hasn’t produced all that much this season. Hopefully someone picks the Americans, Broberg, Dach, and Podkolzin in the top 7. Note. Part of me believes I should just throw Chris Peters’ ranking out as he has Byram at #10. There is no way he is the 10th best and no way he isn’t picked by 8, more likely by #4 or #5.

  176. OriginalPouzar says:

    Well, we know the three teams moving on – Guelph, Halifax and Rouyn-Noranda but we don’t know who will play in the semi and who goes to the final. If Halifax beats Rouyn-Noranda today, them get first with 3-0, however, if Rouyn-Noranda wins then the three teams are tied at 2-1. I know the tie break in that case removes the games against P. Alberta and goes with goal share percentage. Haven’t done any analysis to sort out the scenarios.

    Wouldn’t mind Guelph having to play the semi – potential for two more games for Samorukov as opposed to one.

  177. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m fine with the signing but I’m not sure about the “bigger role” – I mean, is he going to play higher than Bouchard, Bear, Persson on the right side? He isn’t any better defensively than the first two (and I can’t really speak to Persson). I can’t see him getting any more PP time – there were large portions of the season where he was playing on the PP ahead of Bear (and, yes, when both in the lineup).

    Depends on who makes the big club and there is also the possibility that they are planning on trading a young right D.

  178. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Examining the Oilers’ goaltending options in free agency

    https://theathletic.com/986428/2019/05/22/lowetide-examining-the-oilers-goaltending-options-in-free-agency/

  179. Pouzar says:

    http://www.rodpedersen.com/2019/05/10-midweek-things.html

    OIL COUNTRY: New Edmonton Oilers GM Ken Holland has been busy pruning his hockey operations department since taking the job a few weeks ago. Now it sounds like we’re just days away from the next head coach being named. It’s my belief that it will not be Dave Tippett however I could easily be wrong. Either way, we’ll know soon.

  180. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Crazy Pedestrian,

    I’m glad several posters have cast a leery eye over at the TO WonderKid today. All is not right in Leafs town and folks who love the Math here at Lowetide should be well aware of the multitude of problems the Leafs face.

    Agree with your assessment of the secondary players BUT

    Dubas has run the Marlies since 2014, he should have known these secondary players like the back of his hand. He should have known that the skill drafted from 2014 onwards would be making a push right around this time. He should have known that those players would be up in the Bigs, playing with high end skill and he should have known that all of them would be reaching RFA in 2019/2020. A smart GM would have been aware of the logjam at forward coming.

    For Marner – This means Dubas is either a) blind or b) Chia level arrogant. Marner has led the team in scoring in every year he’s played and he doesn’t get injured. He went back to the KNights after his draft year, blew the doors off and has done nothing but get better since (very Drai like if you will) This wasn’t Marner exceeding expectations this was the GM willfully ignoring Marner’s entire career up until right now which is just goofy for a guy who was labeled an OHL savant before MLSE picked him up.

    But more importantly, and as noted by OP and others, its the defense and goaltending that will undo the Leafs. If Dubas can pull-off a Marner deal while also strengthening the backend and finding a way to lessen the workload on Andersen I’ll sing his praises.

    Until then though there seems to be a lot more myth around the young man than evidence.

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