The OHL, Finland and the 2019 draft

One of the true curios in our nation involves Alberta’s relationship with Ontario province. Resentment can run high due to politics via the national capital or the galling inconvenience that puts Toronto first every damned time. On the other hand, the Edmonton Oilers don’t win five Stanley’s without the mothers of Ontario sending their male children to the land of the ice and snow.

Finland, unlike Ontario, consists of people who are considered brothers and sisters to the average Edmontonian. I would wager the only two peoples as popular as Finns in this town are Saskatchewan neighbors and our friends from Newfoundland who decided to rough it out west.

The Oilers have mined Ontario and Finland heavily over 40 years. What will this year bring?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: Examining the Oilers’ goaltending options in free agency.
  • New Lowetide: Ken Holland’s Oilers could go the high octane procurement route but will need a driver
  • New Lowetide: How much can Connor Brown help the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Dmitri Samorukov is off to the Memorial Cup and is the Oilers’ fastest rising prospect
  • Jonathan Willis: Craig MacTavish leaves the Oilers, signalling the first major front office change under Ken Holland
  • Lowetide: What kind of coach should Ken Holland hire for the Oilers?
  • Jonathan Willis: Every Oilers AHL prospect, rated by how close they are to the NHL
  • Jonathan Willis: A resurgent Andrej Sekera gives the Oilers much-needed defensive options
  • Lowetide: Is Joe Gambardella destined to become the Oilers’ next Fernando Pisani?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland steadfast that buck stops with him as new Oilers GM.
  • Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • Jonathan Willis: What does the arrival of Ken Holland mean for the Oilers coaching search?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.

THE FINAL 2019 OHL LIST

1 L Arthur Kaliyev, Hamilton (OHL). He scored 51-51-102 in 67 OHL games, age 17. I’ve read about skating, hockey sense and playing on the perimeter. I can’t ignore the math. A June 2001.

2 LC Connor McMichael, London (OHL). He has good speed and lots of skill, effective shot. Responsible. 36 goals, he’s a January 2001. Owns the dreaded projectable frame.

3 LD Thomas Harley, Mississauga (OHL). Good size, elite skater, he’s an August 2001. Posted 11-47-58 in 68 games. Excellent puck handler and passer, his year over year spike is remarkable.

4 LC Ryan Suzuki, Barrie (OHL). Great vision, skill, tremendous passer. If he were faster, he’d be top five. Mike Morreale says he’s the best draft eligible playmaker in the OHL this season.

5 RC Philip Tomasino, Niagra (OHL). Underrated player with impressive skill, spike offensively year over year has him here. 30 5-on-5 goals.

6 L Nick Robertson, Peterborough (OHL). Undersized skill winger with a sixth sense as a goal scorer. Impressive at Top Prospects.

7 LC Blake Murray, Sudbury (OHL). Big center with plus speed and a scoring touch. A July 2001.

8 LC Jamieson Rees, Sarnia Sting (OHL). Undersized skill forward who works hard on the forecheck. Terrific speed and a great motor.

9 L Ethan Keppen, Flint (OHL). Good speed, size (6.02, 214) and skill (30-29-59 in 68, 24 goals at 5-on-5).

10 RD Billy Constantinou, Kingston (OHL). Fast as lightning, high risk and reward defender.

11 R Graeme Clarke, Ottawa ’67s (OHL). Pure scorer (20 goals in 49 games) who has been famous for some time. Good skater, great shot.

12 L Nando Eggenberger, Oshawa Generals (OHL). Two-way talent, enjoyed a solid year in the OHL (he was eligible last season). I’m not sure anyone will take him, but Red Line loves him.

13 G Hunter Jones, Peterborough (OHL). He’s a big goalie who has a solid reputation, but .902SP saw me fading him.

14 LD Vladislav Kolyachonok, Flint Firebirds (OHL). Mike Morreale: “The Belarusian can skate and think the game so well.” Good passer, massive wingspan.

15 LC Matvei Guskov, London Knights (OHL). Another solid two-way center, I like his complete skill set.

16 LD Mike Vukojevic, Kitchener (OHL). Big defender has good speed and is a powerful defender. Has some offense, he’s a shutdown type.

17 LD Nikita Okhotyuk, Ottawa 67’s (OHL). Big defender plays a two-way game. He can pass or carry, may have more offense than numbers imply.

18 R Cole Schwindt, Mississauga (OHL). Strong two-way play are one thing but his offense (68, 19-30-49) represents huge progress. He’s a April 2001.

Finland, 2019

1 R Kaapo Kakko, Turkku (Sm-Liiga). He’s 6.02, 190 and already flourishing in the Sm-Liiga. Scouts rave about his advanced two-way game and ability to control the pace of play.

2 LD Ville Heinola, Lukko (Sm-Liiga). A mature player for his age, two-way talent with good speed and calm feet. Excellent passer.

3 RD Anttoni Honka, Jyp (Sm-Liiga). Draft Analyst: Swift skating puck rusher who knows how to handle the puck and has the kind of mobility that keeps forecheckers honest.

4 L Patrik Puistola, Leki (Mestis). High skill, consistent scorer who also plays a responsible game beyond his years. My kind of player.

5 L Antti Saarela, Lukko (Sm-Liiga). ISS: Smart and gifted, quality stick skills. Noticeable on PP and PK.

6 R Leevi Aaltonen, Kalpa (Jr Sm-Liiga). ISS: “Slick offensive play-maker, undersized but highly skilled.”

7 LD Mikko Kokkonen, Jukurit (Sm-Liiga). Two-way defender who adjusted quickly in Finland’s best league. No dominant skill, across the board good.

8 R Tuukka Tieksola, Karpat (Jr Sm-Liiga). Small skill winger, great passer and skating.

9 R Wiljami Myllylä, HIFK (Jr Sm-Liiga). Speed demon, has been posting gaudy scoring numbers for several years.

10 RD Antti Tuomisto, Assat (Jr Sm-Liiga). Puck moving blue, good skater and has an excellent shot. Some chaos.

11 R Aku Raty, Karpat (Jr Sm-Liiga). Skill winger who also provides solid play without the puck. Average speed.

Day had a strong season and earned this deal. I think it’s always a good idea for professional sports teams to reward this kind of performance. He should be a big part of the Bakersfield Condors next season. Sign Evan Polei too, he has great hands.

NEW 50-MAN LIST (45)

I’m fascinated that the first official roster move by Ken Holland is signing Day to an NHL deal. It represents a long journey joined, as procurement is brick by brick and involves years of making good bets and keeping picks.

RFA’s make up a big chunk of the 50-man list, with nine decisions to be made (plus Mantha’s deal may be voided). I think Edmonton will sign Khaira, Gambardella, Puljujarvi, Rattie, Starrett, meaning Rieder, Larkin, Norell, Vesel and Mantha would be heading out. The 45-man list you see today would be populating by only 40 names should it comes to pass as written. That’s plenty of room for Holland.

ABOUT TIPPETT

Rod Pedersen: It’s my belief that it will not be Dave Tippett but either way, we should know soon. (Source)

This had been telegraphed for some time, Sutter’s name being associated with Chiarelli in the days when the leaks became acid stained leading up to (and after) Chiarelli’s signing. I never believe a word of verbal that comes out when a man is unable to defend himself. Sutter is down the line but until we hear his story then I’m not going to comment.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun show with fabulous guests today, we get going at 10 this morning, TSN1260. Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey will join us to talk Sutter, Day, the Memorial Cup and names for the Oilers head coaching job. Kris Abbott from OddsShark will chat SC final and World Hockey Championships, plus Raptors. At 11:25, Corey Pronman from The Athletic talks about his final rankings for 2019.

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165 Responses to "The OHL, Finland and the 2019 draft"

  1. Professor Q says:

    I can’t seem to get any of my predictions right and the teams I choose always lose, but I still have to go with the Blues.

    For Maroon and Perron.

    Even if it means another rookie goaltender getting the Cup victory…

  2. Nit64 says:

    Request for LT:

    Sometime during the Bruins-Blues 49th anniversary rematch please post a pic of “The Goal”

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/orr-on-hockeys-most-iconic-photograph/

  3. nvan97 says:

    The signing of Day makes me think that Holland is listening to the amateur development/scouting people. He’s exactly the type of player that would get lost in the shuffle with a GM turnover.

  4. Dustylegnd says:

    If nothing else, the resignation of MacT and the firing of Sutter demonstrate that Holland refuses to believe the Oilers have a good culture.

    Dutch has quickly demonstrated he has 0 interest doing the same thing again while expecting a different outcome. Holland can now begin re-shaping the front office to his liking, one has to believe he will bring in people with diverse hockey backgrounds, diverse opinions with a wide variety of experience across many different organizations.

    We wait, but I am encouraged by his autonomy

  5. Jethro Tull says:

    Rowdy Roddy called the Holland thing….

  6. PinkSocks says:

    Rod Pedersen: It’s my belief that it will not be Dave Tippett but either way, we should know soon. (Source)

    Pederson was on the money on Holland. I hope he is right about Tippett also. My preference in order:

    Todd Nelson
    Rocky Thompson
    Kris Knoblauch
    DJ Smtih

  7. Pouzar says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Rowdy Roddy called the Holland thing….

    And Stauffer saying “it’s only a matter of when” Tippett gets hired.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    Its interesting this year with the OHL not being prominent in the top end of the draft – heavy on USDT and WHL this year.

  9. Primetime says:

    Pouzar: And Stauffer saying “it’s only a matter of when” Tippett gets hired.

    Will be interesting to see if the change in regime changes Bob’s “inside” information…..

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    Very happy they signed Logan Day to an ELC, an NHL contract (he was on an AHL only deal this past year).

    He definitely earned it with this play – his puck moving and offensive abilities, at least at the AHL level, are obvious and he did develop in his “away from the puck” game throughout the year. With that said, his “away from puck” game still has miles and miles to go – he was very poor at the start of the year and now just somewhat poor.

    I don’t believe he will have an NHL career but you never know. He will definitely help the Condors next year, even moreso than this year I’m sure.

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hopefully the Oilers are able to sign Patrick Russell as well – I assume that they won’t bring Malone back – as good as he is at the AHL level, he’s on the wrong side of 30 now – Russell will be even more important for next year with Malone gone (presumably) and Joe G. potentially seeing material NHL time.

    P. Russell is, unfortunately, a Group VI UFA so he can move on if he chooses. He may see an opportunity with the organization though.

  12. Ben says:

    Pretty compelling review of Lane Lambert from Alan May with Stauffer yesterday, particularly around innovation on special teams. Not sure what sort of credibility May brings on the subject beyond being buddies with Bob and Mark.

  13. Klima's_Bucket says:

    “Plus Mantha’s deal may be voided”

    When I read that, my heart skipped a beat.
    I thought this was in reference to the Anthony Mantha for Nuge trade that’s been bandied about.

  14. texmex says:

    PinkSocks: Pederson was on the money on Holland.I hope he is right about Tippett also.My preference in order:

    Todd Nelson
    Rocky Thompson
    Kris Knoblauch
    DJ Smtih

    His full quote is “It’s my belief that it will not be Dave Tippett however I could easily be wrong. Either way, we’ll know soon”.

    He doesn’t sound as sure regarding Tippett as he did with Holland.

  15. Coiler says:

    I’m encouraged by the purge that’s occurring in the front office of the organization. Sutter’s firing and let’s be honest…MacTavish saw the writing on the wall….MacTavish’s self-removal has shown that Mr. Holland is indeed serious about changing the source of water in Edmonton.

    From what I’ve read Howson is still expected to remain with the team but others are expecting further dismissals to come their way.

    I think whoever becomes the coach of this team, be it Tippett or whoever, needs to be a great communicator. Maybe that’s what was lacking with Todd McClennan and Hitchcock. Their ability to communicate with the kids hurt the team more than it helped. This is a new league and these kids don’t respond to old school approaches.

    Happy for Maroon making the final. Big guy bet on himself and is being rewarded bigtime. Should be a good series.

  16. Ben says:

    Coiler: Maybe that’s what was lacking with Todd McClennan and Hitchcock.

    Vince Lombardi with a 20,000 volt cattle prod couldn’t have willed that roster into the playoffs. Chiarelli built an NBA team up front: three studs and nine plugs.

    I’m not even sure who I’m paraphrasing here (MacT, I think?), but the best coach is usually the guy that gets off the bus with the best players in it.

  17. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Pouzar: And Stauffer saying “it’s only a matter of when” Tippett gets hired.

    – I wonder if part of the change includes a total re-do of the communications. Getting rid of the communications guy might be part of a larger change in “culture”

    – The Edmonton market for Hockey is different thatn Toronto (to pick up on Ontario vs. Alberta).

    – The standard operating procedure for a long time in Edmonton is to circle a few guys that the organization has paid too much for, gave up too much for, not lived up to the hype, asked to play a role higher than they should be, not developped properly, etc: then throw them under the bus: and using enablers to push this narrative

    – The end result is always the same: fans turn on a player, and the bring in a new guy

    – Perhaps a more “professional” communications department would help the organization in that the reporters are handed juicy insider tips to spin narratives.

    – This would help the development of the organization, make management more accountable for the failures of the players, and a different level of information dissemination.

    – Maybe it won’t happen, but there might be merit to what I’m rambling on about. Certainly in other markets this isn’t the management-communication structure that exists

    – The whole “wine-summit” stuff, not to mention a myriad of public player disputes, was aided and abetted by management covering their as$, rather than the best interest of the club.

    – Stauffer is a nice guy: but it’s a dinosaur communication system. Not familiar with other organizations that have “insiders” who do the teams dirty work when they are lucky to get leaks

  18. dcsj says:

    I don’t think you can read so much into MacTavish’s departure, other than he decided to jump before being pushed. He seems to have been working on his new deal longer than just a few days. From what was reported, he probably started before the new gm was hired. So his departure can’t be read as cleaning house. The most we can say is that he was smart enough to figure it would be better to be in control of his own destiny rather than be dependent on someone else’s goodwill.

  19. defmn says:

    // I never believe a word of verbal that comes out when a man is unable to defend himself. //

    I just copied and pasted this because I think it is worth repeating.

  20. anjinsan says:

    1. You argue for Kaliyev based on math but also acknowledge the question about hockey sense. Yakupov aced the math his draft year, too. Just want to point this out. Having done this comparison, I continue to believe that had Kreuger continued as head coach he would have successfully channeled Yakupov’s talent and taught him how to process the game to the best of Yak’s capability.

    2. Seeing Nurse at this year’s Worlds makes me think he’s evolving into a Larry Robinson-like player. That is exactly what MacT foresaw and drafted for. I’m glad MacT is gone gone gone but I think it’s only fair to acknowledge that he got the selections of Nurse and Draisaitl correct, on clear and sound reasoning and recognition of needs. The idea of trading a FAST Larry Robinson-like player as he’s coming into is prime is bloody preposterous, in a special needs category of stupid.

  21. Reja says:

    Ben:
    Pretty compelling review of Lane Lambert from Alan May with Stauffer yesterday, particularly around innovation on special teams. Not sure what sort of credibility May brings on the subject beyond being buddies with Bob and Mark.

    Ben:
    Pretty compelling review of Lane Lambert from Alan May with Stauffer yesterday, particularly around innovation on special teams. Not sure what sort of credibility May brings on the subject beyond being buddies with Bob and Mark.

    Is that Alan May west-end boy that played with the Caps.

  22. Pouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: I wonder if part of the change includes a total re-do of the communications.

    I warned him the Press Room mics would be his downfall.

  23. Ben says:

    Reja:
    Is that Alan May west-end boy that played with the Caps.

    Yep

  24. Reja says:

    dcsj:
    I don’t think you can read so much into MacTavish’s departure, other than he decided to jump before being pushed. He seems to have been working on his new deal longer than just a few days. From what was reported, he probably started before the new gm was hired. So his departure can’t be read as cleaning house. The most we can say is that he was smart enough to figure it would be better to be in control of his own destiny rather than be dependent on someone else’s goodwill.

    Maybe Mctavish did a solid for Katz and the Oiler brand by taking a Bullet and going to the Gulag league where he’ll act as a double agent coach and scout and also showing the pitchfork crowd the purge is on.

  25. Wilde says:

    anjinsan: 1. You argue for Kaliyev based on math but also acknowledge the question about hockey sense. Yakupov aced the math his draft year, too. Just want to point this out. Having done this comparison, I continue to believe that had Kreuger continued as head coach he would have successfully channeled Yakupov’s talent and taught him how to process the game to the best of Yak’s capability.

    Error bars are reality, my dude

  26. bwar says:

    I liked Polei in Red Deer, I liked it when he joined the Condors and I’m fully on board with him getting an NHL contract. Maybe he doesn’t project as an NHLer but I think it would be a big deal for the Alberta native to put on the Oilers jersey.

    I hope Tippett isn’t named as the new coach. I feel like the Oilers trend has been to pick the biggest name from the hat and run with it. I don’t really have anything against Tippett but I want a bit of more confidence that Holland is running the show and hand picking the people he feels are best for the job. But don’t you dare tell me surprise candidate Dallas Eakins is coming back to Edmonton…

  27. Jaxon says:

    Reposting from last post for those interested…

    I like the results of this mock draft.

    Puck77’s First Mock NHL Entry Draft – Results & Notes.
    https://puck77.com/2019/05/21/puck77s-first-mock-nhl-entry-draft-results-notes/

    Cozens is looking like more of a possibility all the time. Of 4 major rankings to come out since May 6th, Cozens is ranked 9th (Chris Peters, ESPN), 6th (Sam Cosentino, Sportsnet), 9th (Cam Robinson, Dobber Prospects), 7th (Corey Pronman, The Athletic). If a team reaches a bit for aD like Broberg, it could push all those back a spot. I didn’t think it was possible a month ago, but these spring tournaments seem to have raised the profile of some players, especially the Americans, who I’m not crazy about as it’s hard to tell who is zooming who on that team and their 5v5 primary production isn’t all that great even with the ability to run 9 quality forwards against lesser competition all season. Podkolzin is the other wild card. You really have to trust your scouts to pick him as he hasn’t produced all that much this season. Hopefully someone picks the Americans, Broberg, Dach, and Podkolzin in the top 7. Note. Part of me believes I should just throw Chris Peters’ ranking out as he has Byram at #10. There is no way he is the 10th best and no way he isn’t picked by 8, more likely by #4 or #5.

  28. SwedishPoster says:

    Because of the discrepancy between numbers and hype I tried to look a bit closer at Kaliyev, shift by shifts, highlights etc, and I get the questions on skating (though I like his crossovers and think there’s a tool to help his acceleration there) but the claims he lacks hockey sense and stays on the perimeter is hoppycock imo. I seriously doubt anyone, outside of maybe Caulfield, finds the good ice offensively better in this draft. Really smart player from what I see.

    LT, I was thinking about doing my usual musings on what I think of the swedish draftees sometime this week, would you prefer I posted it after you’ve published your write up on all things swedish?

  29. Ben says:

    I hate to be ‘that guy’, but Holland needs to be careful in building a fast, skilled team that they don’t completely abandon size and toughness.

    Bad orgs like the Oilers are often chasing polarity, reacting to what hasn’t worked rather than taking a nuanced view of their assets.

    Washington was the biggest team in the league when they won last year, St. Louis top-five this year. The four lightest teams all missed the playoffs.

    Of course, there’s more than one way to skin a cat, and I’m in no way suggesting that a team has to be huge to win (BOS and TB both bottom third). But I think players like Kassian and Khaira (and Lucic a few years back) may have extra value in the playoffs.

    And if it’s down to Cozens vs. Caufield at 8th…

  30. Lowetide says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Because of the discrepancy between numbers and hype I tried to look a bit closer at Kaliyev, shift by shifts, highlights etc, and I get the questions on skating (though I like his crossovers and think there’s a tool to help his acceleration there) but the claims he lacks hockey sense and stays on the perimeter is hoppycock imo. I seriously doubt anyone, outside of maybe Caulfield, finds the good ice offensively better in this draft. Really smart player from what I see.

    LT, I was thinking about doing my usual musings on what I think of the swedish draftees sometime this week, would you prefer I posted it after you’ve published your write up on all things swedish?

    Please proceed whenever you wish! The Swedish list will be out Friday unless i fall in a well 🙂

  31. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jaxon:
    Reposting from last post for those interested…

    I like the results of this mock draft.

    Puck77’s First Mock NHL Entry Draft – Results & Notes.
    https://puck77.com/2019/05/21/puck77s-first-mock-nhl-entry-draft-results-notes/

    especially the Americans, who I’m not crazy about as it’s hard to tell who is zooming who on that team

    – Yeah that US team presents a neat opportunity for scouting and math. It’s an all-star team, and a fairly new structure vs the established ways of developing players

    – So some of the roster, are like most secondary forward on great teams. They get zoomed big-time. And when they go to a “normal” team, people wonder why they don’t do the same…MacT as an example, was very effective with the great Oil teams. Once he played for normal teams, he was just another guy: same player, different roster = different results

    – So “projecting” these USHL players, vs players on other teams that aren’t as scoring as much, or playing against better teams: the math doesn’t tell the whole story: resulting in opportunities for teams who can differentiate between the players

    * as an aside, its’ the reason why good teams tend to make “better” trades.: their players look good, and get over-valued, and they can trade them for premiums, and new guys come in and do well because the team is good. Vs. Oilers: our players look bad because the team sucks, so they trade for a discount. Then new players come in and they aren’t as good because the team sucks and that drags them down. Slats was a master of this: sure he was good hockey guy, but he benefited from this reality : lots of players would look good playing for an all-star team

  32. dulock says:

    I like the Logan Day signing but I imagine it’s telegraphing that they’ll be trading a D prospect almost for sure. It’s easier to move Bear or Lagesson if you have an extra D prospect ready to go.

  33. Oilman99 says:

    Ben:
    I hate to be ‘that guy’, but Holland needs to be careful in building a fast, skilled team that they don’t completely abandon size and toughness.

    Bad orgs like the Oilers are often chasing polarity, reacting to what hasn’t worked rather than taking a nuanced view of their assets.

    Washington was the biggest team in the league when they won last year, St. Louis top-five this year. The four lightest teams all missed the playoffs.

    Of course, there’s more than one way to skin a cat, and I’m in no way suggesting that a team has to be huge to win (BOS and TB both bottom third). But I think players like Kassian and Khaira (and Lucic a few years back) may have extra value in the playoffs.

    And if it’s down to Cozens vs. Caufield at 8th…

    Totally agree, size counts come playoff time, and it is a long physical drain, specially if you can’t get at least one short series, attrition finally did the Sharks in even though they should have been golfing three weeks ago. Therefore it has to be Cozens.

  34. Oilman99 says:

    Oilman99: Totally agree, size counts come playoff time, and it is a long physical drain, specially if you can’t get at least one short series, attrition finally did the Sharks in even though they should have been golfing three weeks ago.

    anjinsan:
    1.You argue for Kaliyev based on math but also acknowledge the question about hockey sense.Yakupov aced the math his draft year, too.Just want to point this out.Having done this comparison, I continue to believe that had Kreuger continued as head coach he would have successfully channeled Yakupov’s talent and taught him how to process the game to the best of Yak’s capability.

    2.Seeing Nurse at this year’s Worlds makes me think he’s evolving into a Larry Robinson-like player.That is exactly what MacT foresaw and drafted for.I’m glad MacT is gone gone gone but I think it’s only fair to acknowledge that he got the selections of Nurse and Draisaitl correct, on clear and sound reasoning and recognition of needs.The idea of trading a FAST Larry Robinson-like player as he’s coming into is prime is bloody preposterous, in a special needs category of stupid.

    Yakupov’s failure to progress even after leaving the Oilers indicates that he was either too stubborn, or did not have the ability to learn what it takes to become a reliable NHL player. Indications it is the latter, most people say you can’t teach hockey sense.

  35. russ99 says:

    Ben,

    Good points.

    Seems this year’s playoffs has reinforced the value of forechecking as a team, something the Oilers have been pretty poor at the last few years. More NHL players will help, coaching too.

  36. defmn says:

    Ben:
    I hate to be ‘that guy’, but Holland needs to be careful in building a fast, skilled team that they don’t completely abandon size and toughness.

    Bad orgs like the Oilers are often chasing polarity, reacting to what hasn’t worked rather than taking a nuanced view of their assets.

    Washington was the biggest team in the league when they won last year, St. Louis top-five this year. The four lightest teams all missed the playoffs.

    Of course, there’s more than one way to skin a cat, and I’m in no way suggesting that a team has to be huge to win (BOS and TB both bottom third). But I think players like Kassian and Khaira (and Lucic a few years back) may have extra value in the playoffs.

    And if it’s down to Cozens vs. Caufield at 8th…

    To me this is what balance means. Some of this, a pinch of that, a dollop of that other thing. You can win by emphasizing any of a number of aspects of hockey but I have never seen a team win without having at least a bit of all the components.

    They used to call this chemistry. On this blog our host prefers to call it balance. Not sure the word is as important as the idea. A winning team can win games any way the other guy wants to play it.

  37. dustrock says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Because of the discrepancy between numbers and hype I tried to look a bit closer at Kaliyev, shift by shifts, highlights etc, and I get the questions on skating (though I like his crossovers and think there’s a tool to help his acceleration there) but the claims he lacks hockey sense and stays on the perimeter is hoppycock imo. I seriously doubt anyone, outside of maybe Caulfield, finds the good ice offensively better in this draft. Really smart player from what I see.

    LT, I was thinking about doing my usual musings on what I think of the swedish draftees sometime this week, would you prefer I posted it after you’ve published your write up on all things swedish?

    Was less about hockey sense and more about the dreaded “inconsistent effort” I think.

    The more I read about Kaliyev the more attractive he is.

    I’m not sure I pick him over Cozens but Kaliyev and Caufield are the 2 guys where I think “40 goal scorer”.

  38. dustrock says:

    Jaxon:
    Reposting from last post for those interested…

    I like the results of this mock draft.

    Puck77’s First Mock NHL Entry Draft – Results & Notes.
    https://puck77.com/2019/05/21/puck77s-first-mock-nhl-entry-draft-results-notes/

    Cozens is looking like more of a possibility all the time. Of 4 major rankings to come out since May 6th, Cozens is ranked 9th (Chris Peters, ESPN), 6th (Sam Cosentino, Sportsnet), 9th (Cam Robinson, Dobber Prospects), 7th (Corey Pronman, The Athletic). If a team reaches a bit for aD like Broberg, it could push all those back a spot. I didn’t think it was possible a month ago, but these spring tournaments seem to have raised the profile of some players, especially the Americans, who I’m not crazy about as it’s hard to tell who is zooming who on that team and their 5v5 primary production isn’t all that great even with the ability to run 9 quality forwards against lesser competition all season. Podkolzin is the other wild card. You really have to trust your scouts to pick him as he hasn’t produced all that much this season. Hopefully someone picks the Americans, Broberg, Dach, and Podkolzin in the top 7. Note. Part of me believes I should just throw Chris Peters’ ranking out as he has Byram at #10. There is no way he is the 10th best and no way he isn’t picked by 8, more likely by #4 or #5.

    Ha ha just checked Turcotte’s draft profile, an 80%GF and 15.5%GFrel is pretty insane.

  39. Munny says:

    Kaliyev’s problem isn’t his hockey sense, or really his head… it’s that his heart, or lack thereof, is making decisions for him.

    No desire, no battle… a more talented Robert Schremp. These things are essential to making and sticking in the Bigs. And it’s one reason why we see kids drafted in the 6th beat out 150 kids drafted before them to earn an NHL paycheque.

    I can’t think of a harder thing to teach a young man…

    He has a wonderful skillset, I hope he turns it around and makes it, but this is a truly Boom or Bust pick, and the risk is like Teri Hatcher’s rack—real and spectacular. I’d nick his ranking to allow for that fulsome risk. YMMV.

  40. Munny says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Would love to hear your thoughts on those two highly ranked Swedish defenders. Looking forward to your post!

  41. Nit64 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Yeah that US team presents a neat opportunity for scouting and math. It’s an all-star team, and a fairly new structure vs the established ways of developing players

    That team is a jackpot and a landmine. Almost needs full time scouts to separate wheat from chaff. When talent is more evenly distributed its easier to sort out. The CHL isn’t evenly distributed but scouts working any of the 3 leagues can see enough to suss out who’s overrated on a strong team or underrated on a weak team.

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    Stauffer believes the Tippet hire is a matter of “when” not “if”.

  43. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Stauffer believes the Tippet hire is a matter of “when” not “if”.

    Bob “The Stuffer” Stauffer vs. Rowdy Roddy Piper!

  44. PinkSocks says:

    Oilman99:
    Yakupov’s failure to progress even after leaving the Oilers indicates that he was either too stubborn, or did not have the ability to learn what it takes to become a reliable NHL player. Indications it is the latter, most people say you can’t teach hockey sense.

    Perhaps he was missing a few tools in the shed, however look at his coaches:

    Krueger – excelled
    Eakins – helpless
    Eakins – helpless
    Nelson – excelled, partially thanks to Derek Roy
    McLellan – hot at the start, then failed on the 4th line (shocker)
    Hitchcock – See McLellan/Eakins
    Yeo – See McLellan/Eakins
    Bednar – excelled in the top 6, faltered on the 4th line (shocker)

    Eakins was a self-admitted mess in Edmonton. McLellan and Hitch are old school and are not the type of coach for young players needing development. Yak did well under Krueger and Nelson, both coaches known for getting the most out of their players.

    Yak was a bust, but I wouldn’t assign all of the blame on him. He had 8 coaches in 6 NHL seasons, and only 2 of them put him in a spot to succeed. Poor kid didn’t really have a chance.

  45. Pouzar says:

    our own SuperNova has John Shannon naming some HC candidates:

    Tippett
    John Stevens
    Scott Gordon
    Todd Richards
    DJ Smith

    A few others likely as well

  46. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    dustrock,

    – “Hockey sense” to me seems like an old-timey thing, like clutch, or heart, or winner, or motor, or good in the locker room

    – All of these things “exist” but they are anecdotal: adjectives and bias attributable to other things

  47. Pescador says:

    Pouzar:
    our own SuperNova has John Shannon naming some HC candidates:

    Tippett
    John Stevens
    Scott Gordon
    Todd Richards
    DJ Smith

    A few others likely as well

    Farc no T. Nelson or Todd N.

  48. Jethro Tull says:

    Does anyone think that MacT’s departure may have been done to facilitate Todd Nelson’s return?

  49. Nit64 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Does anyone think that MacT’s departure may have been done to facilitate Todd Nelson’s return?

    ~ or delayed until Ralph signed with Buffalo 😉 ~

  50. Alpine says:

    Pouzar:
    our own SuperNova has John Shannon naming some HC candidates:

    Tippett
    John Stevens
    Scott Gordon
    Todd Richards
    DJ Smith

    A few others likely as well

    Gordon would be an interesting choice. Lots of AHL experience and some useful NHL experience. I think he did alright in Philly as interim coach.

  51. Alpine says:

    Todd Richards had Columbus competitive and made the playoffs after years of wandering the desert. His teams had not good underlying numbers though, so I wonder how much of that success was driven by Bob.

  52. Melman says:

    defmn,

    I wistfully remember when the collective here were awash in excitement at the notion that the LT balance photo was nearing its great reveal. Alas, that anticipation now rings like a distant bell shrouded in fog, and barely a thought given to it. If I squint really hard though. I can still see ScarJo smiling while holding a ball in one hand just above the Lowedown with Loewtide lineup.

  53. Primetime says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Stauffer believes the Tippet hire is a matter of “when” not “if”.

    The Bobfather just tweeted that he believes Tippet is the ONLY candidate now. Just a matter of if they can agree to contract terms…

  54. Nit64 says:

    Primetime: The Bobfather just tweeted that he believes Tippet is the ONLY candidate now.Just a matter of if they can agree to contract terms…

    now = “for the moment”. figures they are trying to close.

  55. Ben says:

    @UffeBodin
    7m7 minutes ago
    More
    The Edmonton Oilers or the Calgary Flames? It sounds if it’s down to a Battle of Alberta for the services of undrafted Swedish free agent forward Joakim Nygård. A decision is expected soon.

  56. godot10 says:

    Pouzar: And Stauffer saying “it’s only a matter of when” Tippett gets hired.

    Holland is leaking different names to different people to figure out the leaking paths in the Oilers organization.

  57. godot10 says:

    Ben:
    Pretty compelling review of Lane Lambert from Alan May with Stauffer yesterday, particularly around innovation on special teams. Not sure what sort of credibility May brings on the subject beyond being buddies with Bob and Mark.

    Nelson ran a five forward power play in Grand Rapids one season, when he didn’t have a suitable defensemen for the point. He had Esa Lindell (a D) as bumper on a productive 2nd unit in Dallas this year.

  58. godot10 says:

    Ben: Vince Lombardi with a 20,000 volt cattle prod couldn’t have willed that roster into the playoffs. Chiarelli built an NBA team up front: three studs and nine plugs.

    I’m not even sure who I’m paraphrasing here (MacT, I think?), but the best coach is usually the guy that gets off the bus with the best players in it.

    McLellan was here for 4 years. He had a big part in deciding what players were here and what players were dumped.

  59. Todd Macallan says:

    Rodrigue signs his elc. Good news and an easy choice to sign, looking for him to one of the two tendys for Canada at the wjc this year.

  60. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10: McLellan was here for 4 years.He had a big part in deciding what players were here and what players were dumped.

    Ya see, I really don’t think he was. He was responsible for usage and was probably consulted but I feel the team would have been a lot different had Todd had it his way.

  61. Rich M says:

    Jethro Tull: Ya see, I really don’t think he was. He was responsible for usage and was probably consulted but I feel the team would have been a lot different had Todd had it his way.

    Benoit Pouliot says hi.

  62. Jaxon says:

    dustrock: Ha ha just checked Turcotte’s draft profile, an 80%GF and 15.5%GFrel is pretty insane.

    And his primary points per 60 adjusted to age, era and league is third only to Crosby and McDavid since 2005. The rest of the team is way down with Caufield second, the rest around the same area as Cozens and Hughes is 6th on his own team.

  63. Jethro Tull says:

    Rich M: Benoit Pouliot says hi.

    Err, tell him hi back, I guess?

    So let me get this straight; Pete acted alone in conjunction with the OBC with Todd M’s permission.

    Git it.

  64. Bling says:

    Ben:
    @UffeBodin7m7 minutes ago
    More
    The Edmonton Oilers or the Calgary Flames? It sounds if it’s down to a Battle of Alberta for the services of undrafted Swedish free agent forward Joakim Nygård. A decision is expected soon.

    https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/ten-european-free-agents-who-could-land-nhl-deals

    “Nygard is one of the fastest skaters in the SHL and has been a recurring member of Farjestad’s special teams unit. Scouts like Nygard’s defensive instincts and his speed allows him to get back to deal with trouble in his own zone while creating opportunities at the other end of the ice.”

    That would be a nice add for the bottom six and PK.

  65. Bling says:

    If Turcotte is available at 7, Oilers should try to trade up to get him.

  66. Bag of Pucks says:

    Munny:
    Kaliyev’s problem isn’t his hockey sense, or really his head… it’s that his heart, or lack thereof, is making decisions for him.

    No desire, no battle… a more talented Robert Schremp.These things are essential to making and sticking in the Bigs.And it’s one reason why we see kids drafted in the 6th beat out 150 kids drafted before them to earn an NHL paycheque.

    I can’t think of a harder thing to teach a young man…

    He has a wonderful skillset, I hope he turns it around and makes it, but this is a truly Boom or Bust pick, and the risk is like Teri Hatcher’s rack—real and spectacular.I’d nick his ranking to allow for that fulsome risk.YMMV.

    I’m sorry, did you say something after “Teri Hatcher’s rack?”

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    nvan97:
    The signing of Day makes me think that Holland is listening to the amateur development/scouting people. He’s exactly the type of player that would get lost in the shuffle with a GM turnover.

    He also did go down and see him play a couple of games – although, on the other hand, of of the games was a terrible game for Day, the worst I had seen him play – you might be right.

  68. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: Holland is leaking different names to different people to figure out the leaking paths in the Oilers organization.

    Can you blame him?

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dustylegnd:
    If nothing else, the resignation of MacT and the firing of Sutter demonstrate that Holland refuses to believe the Oilers have a good culture.

    Dutch has quickly demonstrated he has 0 interest doing the same thing again while expecting a different outcome.Holland can now begin re-shaping the front office to his liking, one has to believe he will bring in people with diverse hockey backgrounds, diverse opinions with a wide variety of experience across many different organizations.

    We wait, but I am encouraged by his autonomy

    From accounts, one of his important positive traits is that he surrounds himself with good people, the “right people” and listens to their opinions and advice.

  70. dustrock says:

    Just thought I’d mention not sure if anyone following scouching on twitter (i.e. scouting from a couch)

    HIs website has a nice tableau where if you want to get a quick visual on where the prospects fall in terms of some advanced stats:

    https://www.scouching.ca/profiler.html

    Free to use.

  71. pts2pndr says:

    Lowetide: Please proceed whenever you wish! The Swedish list will be out Friday unless i fall in a well

    If you fall in a well it will all be a wash!

  72. godot10 says:

    Ben:
    I hate to be ‘that guy’, but Holland needs to be careful in building a fast, skilled team that they don’t completely abandon size and toughness.

    Bad orgs like the Oilers are often chasing polarity, reacting to what hasn’t worked rather than taking a nuanced view of their assets.

    Washington was the biggest team in the league when they won last year, St. Louis top-five this year. The four lightest teams all missed the playoffs.

    Of course, there’s more than one way to skin a cat, and I’m in no way suggesting that a team has to be huge to win (BOS and TB both bottom third). But I think players like Kassian and Khaira (and Lucic a few years back) may have extra value in the playoffs.

    And if it’s down to Cozens vs. Caufield at 8th…

    Detroit teams believed in skill. Konstantinov was the toughest player per pound in the NHL perhaps ever. Detroit had a lot of team toughness over the years. Washington got a hot goaltender once in a decade, and even then, if the world was fair, they would have lost to Columbus. Vegas likely would have beaten St. Louis, but they had an outrageous penalty called against them in the San Jose series. Most of St. Louis’s size is big skilled D. Their forwards are not particularly big. Maroon is usefully because of the other two guys he is playing with, particularly the not so big speedy Thomas.
    Pittsburgh had no toughness on D. Won two Cups. They added toughness to the D this year, and got worse. They added REaves one year, who fits in Vegas, but didn’t help a bit in Pittsburgh.

    There is a lot of parity, small variance. Random events decide who wins and who loses.

    Skating and skill, with size if you can get it, and hope your goaltender can play every 2nd night for two months at a high level.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    dcsj:
    I don’t think you can read so much into MacTavish’s departure, other than he decided to jump before being pushed. He seems to have been working on his new deal longer than just a few days. From what was reported, he probably started before the new gm was hired. So his departure can’t be read as cleaning house. The most we can say is that he was smart enough to figure it would be better to be in control of his own destiny rather than be dependent on someone else’s goodwill.

    Perhaps Nicholson had advised MacT that he may not be in the future plans……

  74. godot10 says:

    Oilman99:
    Yakupov’s failure to progress even after leaving the Oilers indicates that he was either too stubborn, or did not have the ability to learn what it takes to become a reliable NHL player. Indications it is the latter, most people say you can’t teach hockey sense.

    Apart from Krueger and Nelson, he had somewhat blinkered old school coaches who couldn’t communicate the why. Where Krueger and Nelson saw skills to take advantage of in particular situations, the old school coaches only sawed problems that had to be pounded out of the players.

    Yakupov was a high maintenance player. He required an enlightened coach.

  75. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    dustrock,

    – “Hockey sense” to me seems like an old-timey thing, like clutch, or heart, or winner, or motor, or good in the locker room

    – All of these things “exist” but they are anecdotal: adjectives and bias attributable to other things

    I would say hockey sense & motor are quantifiable traits that are important whereas things like clutch, heart and winner are anecdotal memes that feed confirmation bias.

    Hockey sense could be broken down into a number of measurables: gap control, assignment efficiency, touches per chance, system execution grade, etc if a team was going for big data on this. You’re essentially creating proxies to measure coachability and in-game decision efficiencies.

    Motor is conditioning and stamina. Motor is just the slang that summarizes it. Duncan Keith and Connor McDavid have superior motors and this can be quantified/proven.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    dulock:
    I like the Logan Day signing but I imagine it’s telegraphing that they’ll be trading a D prospect almost for sure.It’s easier to move Bear or Lagesson if you have an extra D prospect ready to go.

    An extra D prospect ready to go where? Not the NHL for Day, right?

    I don’t think this signing has much to do with anything regarding the “real prospects” – there will be plenty of room for all of them unless, of course, our top 12 d-men are going to not miss any games with injury.

  77. Pescador says:

    Bag of Pucks: I’m sorry, did you say something after “Teri Hatcher’s rack?”

    Or before?

  78. Doug McLachlan says:

    Bling: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/ten-european-free-agents-who-could-land-nhl-deals

    “Nygard is one of the fastest skaters in the SHL and has been a recurring member of Farjestad’s special teams unit. Scouts like Nygard’s defensive instincts and his speed allows him to get back to deal with trouble in his own zone while creating opportunities at the other end of the ice.”

    That would be a nice add for the bottom six and PK.

    SwedishPoster,

    Be interested in your view of Nygard as a possible Oiler FA target.

  79. godot10 says:

    dustrock: Was less about hockey sense and more about the dreaded “inconsistent effort” I think.

    The more I read about Kaliyev the more attractive he is.

    I’m not sure I pick him over Cozens but Kaliyev and Caufield are the 2 guys where I think “40 goal scorer”.

    Do you want a 40 goal scorer, or a player with all around skills who can help McDavid be a 60 goal scorer. What is sustainability? Surrounding McDavid and Draisaitl with outliers or surrounding them with players who can amplify McDavid and Draisaitl.

    McDavid is probably the goal scorer the Oilers are looking for. Get players who amplify him, not one dimensional players, McDavid and Draisaitl will have to carry and feed.

    Gretzky could be Gretzky because Tikkanen and Kurri was all-around players who also did all the checking.

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    Todd Macallan:
    Rodrigue signs his elc. Good news and an easy choice to sign, looking for him to one of the two tendys for Canada at the wjc this year.

    That’s exactly what I was going to post.

    It was too bad that he hurt his groin late in the year and missed the stretch drive and some playoff time.

    Look for him to be invited to the summer camps for Team Canada and, hopefully, make the team.

  81. Wilde says:

    dustrock:
    Just thought I’d mention not sure if anyone following scouching on twitter (i.e. scouting from a couch)

    HIs website has a nice tableau where if you want to get a quick visual on where the prospects fall in terms of some advanced stats:

    https://www.scouching.ca/profiler.html

    Free to use.

    This is fucking killer, thanks for sharing

    The Yakupov situations was like the Puljujärvi one (and most crazy low probability outcomes from the draft), no doubt best described as overdetermined. On the player-relations level, you can say it was the lack of communication from the coach, but there was also the lack of sufficient English teaching – either one of those conditions would cause the same outcome by itself.

    [From Wikipedia]:

    Whereas there may unproblematically be recognised many different necessary conditions of the event’s occurrence, no two distinct events may lay claim to be sufficient conditions, since this would lead to overdetermination.

    A much used example is that of firing squads, the members of which simultaneously firing at and ‘killing’ their targets. Apparently, no one member can be said to have caused the victims’ deaths, since he or she would have been killed anyway.

    Another example is that Billy and Suzy each throw a rock through a window, and either rock alone could have shattered the window. In this case, similar to the example of firing squads, Billy and Suzy together shatter the window and the result is not overdetermined. Or, we can say, even if these two examples are a kind of overdetermination, this kind of overdetermination is benign.

  82. godot10 says:

    Pouzar:
    our own SuperNova has John Shannon naming some HC candidates:

    Tippett
    John Stevens
    Scott Gordon
    Todd Richards
    DJ Smith

    A few others likely as well

    What a depressing list. And DJ Smith has no pro head coaching experience.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t really like Woodcroft’s tone here as it almost sounds like the head coaching was in the past and is done – just something he wanted to experience, like the Trans-Siberian train or climbing Kili.

    Maybe i’m reading too much in to due to his previous non-committal comments in response to questions about “where he’ll be next year. As per Gregor:

    “I really enjoyed being a head coach this year. The biggest difference I noticed as the head coach that you drive the culture and direction of the team. It was very satisfying.” Woodcroft #Condors

  84. godot10 says:

    Alpine:
    Todd Richards had Columbus competitive and made the playoffs after years of wandering the desert. His teams had not good underlying numbers though, so I wonder how much of that success was driven by Bob.

    He fluked into the playoffs one season in 7 season of coaching in the NHL.

  85. dustrock says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I don’t really like Woodcroft’s tone here as it almost sounds like the head coaching was in the past and is done – just something he wanted to experience, like the Trans-Siberian train or climbing Kili.

    Maybe i’m reading too much in to due to his previous non-committal comments in response to questions about “where he’ll be next year.As per Gregor:

    “I really enjoyed being a head coach this year. The biggest difference I noticed as the head coach that you drive the culture and direction of the team. It was very satisfying.” Woodcroft #Condors

    I dunno, OP. He’s a pro, he’s been around many a post-season presser. I think you’re probably reading too much into it.

  86. digger50 says:

    “I never believe a word of verbal that comes out when a man is unable to defend himself.”

    Love this.

  87. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I’d love to see the pick reel in a Nylander/Ehlers if possible.

    Need to dump Lucic off.

    I don’t know how they’ll pay Darnell a year from now. Lindell’s 5.8M hurt.

  88. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: Apart from Krueger and Nelson, he had somewhat blinkered old school coaches who couldn’t communicate the why.Where Krueger and Nelson saw skills to take advantage of in particular situations, the old school coaches only sawed problems that had to be pounded out of the players.

    Yakupov was a high maintenance player.He required an enlightened coach.

    Yakupov’s career shooting % is 9.5.

    I’m not sure how it’s the HC’s fault when a sniper can’t hit the net consistently.

    Nail was a one trick pony and by the end of his rookie season, the rest of the league had him figured out and he absolutely BLED shots against throughout his Oiler career.

    For an HC, hitching your wagon to Nail would be like marrying a trophy wife with chronic migraines.

  89. digger50 says:

    dcsj:
    I don’t think you can read so much into MacTavish’s departure, other than he decided to jump before being pushed. He seems to have been working on his new deal longer than just a few days. From what was reported, he probably started before the new gm was hired. So his departure can’t be read as cleaning house. The most we can say is that he was smart enough to figure it would be better to be in control of his own destiny rather than be dependent on someone else’s goodwill.

    My belief is that MacTavish started his exit as soon as he learned he was not getting an interview for the vacant GM position.

    As funny as that sounds.

  90. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Yakupov’s career shooting % is 9.5.

    I’m not sure how it’s the HC’s fault when a sniper can’t hit the net consistently.

    Nail was a one trick pony and by the end of his rookie season, the rest of the league had him figured out and he absolutely BLED shots against.

    For an HC, hitching your wagon to Nail would be like marrying a trophy wife with chronic migraines.

    If your coach doesn’t want to coach high maintenance players, don’t draft them. The scouts explained this up the chain of command. They wanted Murray.

    The owner who made the pick, and two GM’s, and the 2nd GM’s boot-to-the-throat-coach were never in alignment.

  91. digger50 says:

    godot10: McLellan was here for 4 years.He had a big part in deciding what players were here and what players were dumped.

    Absolutely agree. Not only did he have a voice in his roster preferences, but his actions in who to sit, who played where had a major influence on how players were viewed and valued.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    A long answer by Holland to Gregor’s question re: Puljujarvi but I like a couple of things that Holland said:

    – first he wants to talk to the player

    – he needs to find a coach that can help develop these players

    – there needs to be a stable environment and consistency – he can’t be in and out of the lineup, etc.

    I really like that, in particular the third point, as my key for Jesse this season is for him to get consistent minutes with consistent linemates – put him where he should be (one to the top 3 lines) with some skill and give him his minutes, game after game:

    —————————————

    Gregor: You’ve been around the league for a long time so it is fair to say you’re well versed in most players in the league. Jesse Puljujarvi is a young player, and just out of his entry-level contract. He’s coming off of surgery. The early prognosis is that he should be fine. He’s had a real tough start to his career, because he was pushed into the NHL too quickly in my eyes. When you have a player who is not eligible to go down to the minors, because I doubt he would clear waivers, how do you nurture him when there really is no other place to play him than here or perhaps loan him to Europe?

    Holland: First off I have to talk to the player. I’ll talk to his agent. I have had conversations internally to try to gather information about all of the Edmonton Oilers players, him being one of them. So I’m trying to formulate some thoughts. As you said, he can’t go through waivers and I think the most important thing is to try to get some young players, and if they’re not quite ready to run and jump into the top nine, can you get them in the lineup.

    What I’m trying to do here is be competitive on the short term, to compete for a playoff spot. When you have Connor McDavid and you have Leon Draisaitl, two great, great young players, certainly the reality is that we should be competing for a playoff spot.

    So I have to go out and find a coach, determine a coach who will provide a stable environment and let’s try to be competitive. I’d love to be in the playoffs next year. If you get into the playoffs, anything can happen.

    Then there is the longer view. I want the Edmonton Oilers to better than that. I want to grow and build the Edmonton Oilers into a team that’s better than a team that’s just going to eke into the playoffs. You try to grow the team into a team that when the season starts, you think, ‘If everything goes relatively well we should be in the playoffs. We’d like to compete for the Division title.’ That’s the longer view, and for that to happen we need to help the young players in the organization grow into players who can have an impact on our team.

    So certainly Puljujarvi is one of those guys that I’ve got to determine, figure out how we as an organization get the most out of that player. They’ve got to be in the lineup every night and they grow. They get confidence and they slowly work their way.

    Pavel Datsyuk, when he came to Detroit as a 22-year-old, was our third line centre. Three, four years later he was a really important player in Detroit. I’m not saying these players are going to develop into Datsyuk, but I’m just giving you my experiences in Detroit. They start out lower down the lineup, and the reality is that if those players who are going to be high impact players at 19, 20 or 21 do it immediately.

    And if they don’t do it immediately there is a process that needs to take place and the organization has to have a plan, have some patience, but you’ve got to keep them moving. They can’t be in the lineup, out of the lineup, in the lineup, out of the lineup, they lose their confidence and ultimately those players probably go to other organizations, and in many cases, become the players you had hoped they would be.

    It’s a fine line that you’re trying to dance, because on a nightly basis we’re trying to win games. That’s what it’s about — winning games at the NHL level — but there is also the component of trying to develop your team, your organization and how do you best serve your players.

  93. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: If your coach doesn’t want to coach high maintenance players, don’t draft them.The scouts explained this up the chain of command.They wanted Murray.

    The owner who made the pick, and two GM’s, and the 2nd GM’s boot-to-the-throat-coach were never in alignment.

    Your high maintenance label places the bulk of the blame on the team for not developing the player. But the reality is there is such a thing as a poor employee and all the management acumen in the world is not going to fix a dysfunctional employee.

    A Bonsignore is going to Bonsignore regardless.

    There have been numerous high profile busts in NHL history that have owned it for not developing into better players. It’s not always the team’s fault.

    Hard to blame NHL coaches when Yak was ignoring their advice in favour of his Dad and/or agent. Remember the quote when he decided he was going to stop listening to everyone and go back to what worked for him in junior?

  94. dcsj says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar: Perhaps Nicholson had advised MacT that he may not be in the future plans……

    Well, yeah, sure. Or perhaps [fill in the blank with whatever suits your narrative] happened too.

    My point is that trying to say that MacTavish’s exit is evidence that Holland is cleaning house is just telling ourselves something we want to hear.

    From what I’ve read in the media (all I have to go on) nothing fits the “cleaning house” narrative. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. But if we want Holland to be “cleaning house” let’s not add the MacTavish story to that narrative unless and until we actually have evidence that it is so.

  95. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks: I would say hockey sense & motor are quantifiable traits that are important whereas things like clutch, heart and winner are anecdotal memes that feed confirmation bias.

    Hockey sense could be broken down into a number of measurables: gap control, assignment efficiency, touches per chance, system execution grade, etc if a team was going for big data on this. You’re essentially creating proxies to measure coachability and in-game decision efficiencies.

    Motor is conditioning and stamina. Motor is just the slang that summarizes it. Duncan Keith and Connor McDavid have superior motors and this can be quantified/proven.

    This is good stuff

  96. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: Do you want a 40 goal scorer, or a player with all around skills who can help McDavid be a 60 goal scorer. What is sustainability?Surrounding McDavid and Draisaitl with outliers or surrounding them with players who can amplify McDavid and Draisaitl.

    McDavid is probably the goal scorer the Oilers are looking for.Get players who amplify him, not one dimensional players, McDavid and Draisaitl will have to carry and feed.

    Gretzky could be Gretzky because Tikkanen and Kurri was all-around players who also did all the checking.

    Benson will fit into this.

    Elite passer already and whether he’s feeding 97 or 29, both will cash a lot of his passes.

  97. Rondo says:

    Will Scouch

    @Scouching
    4h4 hours ago

    I have an announcement.

    We’re a month from the big weekend, and at long last, here is the demo version of my 2019 NHL Draft Tracker.

    The Top 100 names ranked by 3 or more recent rankings, and all ranked goaltenders I tracked are included.

    https://www.scouching.ca/prospecttracker.html

  98. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    digger50: My belief is that MacTavish started his exit as soon as he learned he was not getting an interview for the vacant GM position.

    As funny as that sounds.

    – That his “best” offer was to move to Russia to be a head coach must have surprised him.

    – When your associated with a losing regime for so long you lose your “currency”

    – If his goal is to be an executive in the NHL again it will be a long process from Russia.

    – It’s just like players on bad teams: it’s a tough position to be in. Which is another reason why it’s been hard to attract players to come to the Oil. All things being equal players would ask for a danger premium to come knowing the risk. Joining a gong-show in a really northern fishbowl: pay me a lot.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: Ya see, I really don’t think he was. He was responsible for usage and was probably consulted but I feel the team would have been a lot different had Todd had it his way.

    Ya, I thought the general consensus was that he “wasn’t on the same page as the GM” given his useage of the assets provided for vis-a-vis the GM’s verbal on the assets and the GM acquiring assets that weren’t used by the coach.

  100. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    dcsj,

    – Really isn’t it semantics. That MacT and Sutter are gone is the start of a cleaning of the house. The result of their departures is what matters. To speculate on whether it was all MacT all on his own and Holly was gutted that he was losing a key cog or it was a mutual parting of ways: or Holly let him know he was going to have less responsibility: who cares.

    – Just like arguing whether Chia had full autonomy or not. It’s just semantics: it’s the results that matter.

    – We dont of course know. I tend to think that it was a mutual parting of ways and Holly showed some dignity. If i could have stayed as an executive in the NHL or move to coaching in a crappy town in Russia I know what my choice would be.
    *I know Canadian Hockey people who played there: it’s awful they say.

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    I’d love to see the pick reel in a Nylander/Ehlers if possible.

    Need to dump Lucic off.

    I don’t know how they’ll pay Darnell a year from now. Lindell’s 5.8M hurt.

    The expansion draft implications and loss of value contract years of 8th overall for established player makes me cringe.

    Darnell is going to be expensive, we know this – at the same time, he will be a massive value contract from this coming year and, for the following year, Gagner’s contract is gone and whichever of Russell/Sekera are not moved this year (and replaced with and ELC or cheap Joel Persson) will be replaced with a 2nd ELC.

  102. GBandQ says:

    Supposedly the Oil are in on Swedish free agent forward Joakim Nygard

    @UffeBodin
    The Edmonton Oilers or the Calgary Flames? It sounds if it’s down to a Battle of Alberta for the services of undrafted Swedish free agent forward Joakim Nygård. A decision is expected soon.

    2:36 PM – 22 May 2019 from Slovak Republic

  103. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy v2.0: This is good stuff

    Why thank you sir.

    Except for Glenn Anderson of course. Guy was totally clutch! He’s the outlier.

  104. hunter1909 says:

    Exciting Hunter1909 Deathmarch™ Announcement!

    Due to the astonishing level of interest, plus Having rounded up some runaway guards, the Deathmarch final standings are now scheduled for whatever the fuck they’re supposed to be scheduled for.

    More updates expected soon.

    signed: the Deathmarch™ team(gang of idiots).

  105. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Darnell is going to be expensive, we know this – at the same time, he will be a massive value contract from this coming year

    The New England Patriots have a cap budget, refuse point blank to overpay anyone, and are currently the model franchise in NA sports.

  106. condormcdavis says:

    hunter1909,

    This is a gross over simplification of how the Pats succeed. It would take days to explain why they succeed and have for decades.

    Suffice to say:

    Their model is not replicable in the NHL.

    And you pay Darnell Nurse, as much as is required for as long as you possibly can.

    Especially if you are the Oilers

  107. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Why thank you sir.

    Except for Glenn Anderson of course. Guy was totally clutch! He’s the outlier.

    Claude Lemiuex and Couture are much bigger outliers in regards to playoff points per game.

  108. Pescador says:

    hunter1909:
    Exciting Hunter1909 Deathmarch™ Announcement!

    Due to the astonishing level of interest, plus Having rounded up some runaway guards, the Deathmarch final standings are now scheduled for whatever the fuck they’re supposed to be scheduled for.

    More updates expected soon.

    signed: the Deathmarch™ team(gang of idiots).

    Don’t you mean: the standings will be ready Whenever the fuck?
    Geez I thought you’d be in a more chipper mood considering how many of your favorite Oilers brass members KH has turfed recently.
    He must have been reading your posts

  109. Pescador says:

    GBandQ:
    Supposedly the Oil are in on Swedish free agent forward Joakim Nygard

    @UffeBodin
    The Edmonton Oilers or the Calgary Flames? It sounds if it’s down to a Battle of Alberta for the services of undrafted Swedish free agent forward Joakim Nygård. A decision is expected soon.

    2:36 PM – 22 May 2019 from Slovak Republic

    Shoot, I didn’t realize Patrick Thoreson was still playing

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks: Yakupov’s career shooting % is 9.5.

    I’m not sure how it’s the HC’s fault when a sniper can’t hit the net consistently.

    Nail was a one trick pony and by the end of his rookie season, the rest of the league had him figured out and he absolutely BLED shots against.

    For an HC, hitching your wagon to Nail would be like marrying a trophy wife with chronic migraines.

    Taylor Hall, Ales Hemsky and Shawn Horcoff all had higher SA/60 that year than Yakupov……

  111. hunter1909 says:

    condormcdavis:
    hunter1909,

    This is a gross over simplification of how the Pats succeed. It would take days to explain why they succeed and have for decades.

    Suffice to say:

    Their model is not replicable in the NHL.

    And you pay Darnell Nurse, as much as is required for as long as you possibly can.

    Especially if you are the Oilers

    Thank you for that bucket of cold water in the face.

    I seem to remember being a big Darnell Nurse fan since the first time I saw him play; back when Lucic wasn’t around and he’d quite often beat the daylights out of various NHL players.

    To be honest, I don’t understand football. I don’t even follow it. The Patriots are like Wayne Gretzky, you hear about them even if you ignore the game itself. I know they have the greatest living quarterback in the NHL which sounds like the McDavid contract/situation = pay the earth because you have the best important player in the game.

    Draisaitl is also untouchable, he plays 1980’s Canada Cup Mario Lemieux to Connor’s Wayne Gretzky for an 82 game season.

    Finally Oilers have Ken Holland; and forever they’ve wanted the Detroit model? Now they have the Detroit Model builder. As fans we no longer can dare hope the team will ever be any good with the cap Hell we all understand and love(come to think of it there SHOULD be money for Nurse) in those cap poor contracts.

  112. hunter1909 says:

    Pescador: Don’t you mean: the standings will be ready Whenever the fuck?
    Geez I thought you’d be in a more chipper mood considering how many of your favorite Oilers brass members KH has turfed recently.
    He must have been reading your posts

    Hello my old Lowetide associate.
    You do know that this is the internet, right?

  113. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Taylor Hall, Ales Hemsky and Shawn Horcoff all had higher SA/60 that year than Yakupov……

    “I’ll buy that for a Dollar” RoboCop(1987) Paul Verhoeven…

    Taylor Hall was and remains when playing a top ten NHLer at minimum with 1 Hart Trophy.

    Ales Hemsky had played as the single skill Oiler player with guaranteed favoritism from MacT for about 5-7 years, although now that I’m probably getting senile waiting for the Oilers to contend(this makes us all instant comedians) I might be off by a year or two.

    Shawn Horcoff was overpaid by approximately in my estimation by two times his 6 million salary. At 3 million and playing up and down the 2nd and 3rd lines he could have played on any Stanley Cup winning team, eg Boston.

    Nail Yakupov a teenager from the Steppes of Russia was racially profiled by Dallas Eakins and bullied until the poor kid’s spirit was destroyed.

    In fact, I have no idea why you mentioned any of these players.

  114. Pescador says:

    hunter1909: Hello my old Lowetide associate.
    You do know that this is the internet, right?

    Of course
    No one is tougher behind the keyboard than me,
    possibly Bag O’ Pucks

  115. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ben:
    I hate to be ‘that guy’, but Holland needs to be careful in building a fast, skilled team that they don’t completely abandon size and toughness.

    Bad orgs like the Oilers are often chasing polarity, reacting to what hasn’t worked rather than taking a nuanced view of their assets.

    Washington was the biggest team in the league when they won last year, St. Louis top-five this year. The four lightest teams all missed the playoffs.

    Of course, there’s more than one way to skin a cat, and I’m in no way suggesting that a team has to be huge to win (BOS and TB both bottom third). But I think players like Kassian and Khaira (and Lucic a few years back) may have extra value in the playoffs.

    And if it’s down to Cozens vs. Caufield at 8th…

    I don’t think it’s ‘size’ in itself that is the problem.

    It’s that so few players that are undersized or non physical are consistently effective in heavy obstructive play, or you might say most playoff rounds.

    There are different kinds of undersized, I mean very short or very light players. There are a few guys that play through whatever like Gallagher. There have been the elites like Datsyuk Rafalski P Kane St Louis etc

    Still chasing that player type is as foolish as Lucic hunting was, outliers. Take the best skill, but I would always lean to the player with the least obstacles in his way. It’s hard enough to make it as it is.

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    If you would read the posts you would likely be able to figure it out, know? A reference was made to Yakupov bleeding shots against in his rookie year and i thought it made sense to point out that there were some other prominent players that bled more shots against.

    Fairly straight forward I thought.

  117. condormcdavis says:

    hunter1909,

    Cold water was not my intention… good sir

    I have been studying everything Patriots since they destroyed my Rams for their first title.
    Spent most of the last five years trying to figure out how their model could translate in other professional team sports.

    My conclusion was and still is that it can’t be done in modern sports.

    I’m glad we agree on Nurse. I’ve been a fan since draft day and have waited patiently for the breakout that was last season.

  118. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    If you would read the posts you would likely be able to figure it out, know?A reference was made to Yakupov bleeding shots against in his rookie year and i thought it made sense to point out that there were some other prominent players that bled more shots against.

    Fairly straight forward I thought.

    Thank you for taking time to explain hockey philosophy 101.

    I wanted to know whether you could use that legal eagle experience of yours to try to figure out, from your perspective exactly how you might try to decide how Ken Holland, who both of us can agree represents the highest level of expertise in the NHL;

    Is Ken Holland going to manage the non McD/Drai/Nurse/ contracts, while astutely(the key here) improving the options cap and player wise like his star studded resume currently appears to offer? As a high level practising attorney you understand the way business operates on a level far above most of us Lowetide unruly mob types.

    You might be able to offer a semi-professional level commentary re Holland’s moves to date. With more comments made as Holland goes to work.

    An example might be how I’d want Holland to read Lucic the riot Act and if say returning Steve Austin player Milan Lucic turns out to be that big a baby like he’s been recently then Holland will suspend him, trade him, pressbox him without remorse.

  119. hunter1909 says:

    condormcdavis: I’m glad we agree on Nurse. I’ve been a fan since draft day and have waited patiently for the breakout that was last season.

    I barely watched anything last season.

  120. hunter1909 says:

    hunter1909: I barely watched anything last season.

    Sounds like Nurse is “about” to break out.

    Ken Holland arrives right when the rats are jumping off the ship. If Darnell Nurse shows up at the opening bell of the season and plays like an All Star candidate, then expect top executive Ken Holland to get a far better contract deal sorted than anything ever discussed by either the Lowe/MacT apex of ineptitude, or long suffering serious fans many who are going to be mentioned in the upcoming DeathMarch™ announcements.

  121. Oilman99 says:

    PinkSocks: Perhaps he was missing a few tools in the shed, however look at his coaches:

    Krueger – excelled
    Eakins – helpless
    Eakins – helpless
    Nelson – excelled, partially thanks to Derek Roy
    McLellan – hot at the start, then failed on the 4th line (shocker)
    Hitchcock – See McLellan/Eakins
    Yeo – See McLellan/Eakins
    Bednar – excelled in the top 6, faltered on the 4th line (shocker)

    Eakins was a self-admitted mess in Edmonton.McLellan and Hitch are old school and are not the type of coach for young players needing development. Yak did well under Krueger and Nelson, both coaches known for getting the most out of their players.

    Yak was a bust, but I wouldn’t assign all of the blame on him.He had 8 coaches in 6 NHL seasons, and only 2 of them put him in a spot to succeed.Poor kid didn’t really have a chance.

    The fact is,players have earn their ice time by showing progression, gifting them spots on the top line is written in the contract, players must earn the trust of the coach, no matter who that may be. One dimensional players must learn the facets of the , or they are gone.

  122. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Claude Lemiuex and Couture are much bigger outliers in regards to playoff points per game.

    I was thinking of his ‘OT Magic’

  123. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Claude Lemiuex and Couture are much bigger outliers in regards to playoff points per game.

    As a witness to Glenn Anderson’s Cup clinching 3rd period 7th game goal vs Philadelphia and that goalie who would happily trade McDavid for a bag of pucks he hates the Oilers so much for that series loss.

    If you think either of those pair…

  124. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Claude Lemiuex and Couture are much bigger outliers in regards to playoff points per game.

    You’re lucky I don’t know what you’re talking about.

  125. hunter1909 says:

    Bag of Pucks: I was thinking of his ‘OT Magic’

    I was thinking about Couture finding out he’s Bruce Dern’s son.

  126. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar: Taylor Hall, Ales Hemsky and Shawn Horcoff all had higher SA/60 that year than Yakupov……

    So how’s this supposed to work exactly? I’m supposed to ignore your posts entirely but you have carte blanche to critique my posts daily?

    Typical lawyer double standard bs.

    I guess i could undermine your every third post too, but who’s got the time to post 50 times a day.

  127. Pouzar says:

    GBandQ:
    Supposedly the Oil are in on Swedish free agent forward Joakim Nygard

    @UffeBodin
    The Edmonton Oilers or the Calgary Flames? It sounds if it’s down to a Battle of Alberta for the services of undrafted Swedish free agent forward Joakim Nygård. A decision is expected soon.

    2:36 PM – 22 May 2019 from Slovak Republic

    Flames gonna “Woo” him for sure.

  128. Bling says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Encouraging verbal from Holland on JP, but the truth is who he hires will matter much more than whatever he thinks/says.

    We know, based on his time here, that Nelson has all kinds of time for young players. He has done some innovative things with special teams both in the AHL and at the NHL level. He has made reference to having new ideas that he wants to bring to the NHL. He is a new school type, but one with lots of experience. At the AHL level, his teams have been successful and he has won a championship.

    Tippett is a good coach, but he’s an older school button down type. He had success in Dallas, where the star players there had already played for Hitchcock and knew the song and dance. In Phoenix, there was no expectation of winning and he didn’t have any truly elite talent, save for Ekman-Larsson. He made them into an okay team, the way Ron Low did with the late 90s Oilers.

    Tippett is a big name whose name is big for reasons that no one can really articulate, kind of like a Kardashian or, if you are of a certain age, a Hilton. If he were an excellent communicator, developer of talent, or tactician, surely we would have heard something about that in his 14 seasons of being a head coach.

    For as much as MacT is maligned in these parts, Tippett never had a season like MacT’s 06/07 squad. His best season with the Stars saw him go to the conference final (2008). In 05/06 and 06/07, his team won 50 games and bowed out in the first round each time. That’s a rather tepid showing for Tippett.

    When the players said Hitch was being too negative last season, you wonder if anyone heard them. Tippett is from that same McLellan/Hitchcock mould, and he has never won anything.

  129. Wilde says:

    Some quotes from Holland’s interview with Gregor:

    I think on the other side, part of the pro scouting would be the analytical side. Now that’s not the pro scouts.

    Anyone else think that no pro scout lack should ever lack ‘analytical’ understanding? I don’t know if you can properly evaluate players (even through your eye-test) without thinking probabilistically and understanding how to weight different plays – or how to avoid weighting the wrong things the wrong ways?

    There are certain insights that ‘analytics’ have given us that aren’t optional imo

    So then you’ve got to figure out there are some defensemen who can really defend and have really limited offensive skills but they can defend and make a first pass. They’re probably going to fit in nicely into your third pair, and they can kill penalties, they can block shots because you’ve got to have some of those guys. You can’t have six dancers because there is the defensive aspect of the game.

    You’ve got to try to have three or four defensemen who can skate, can pass the puck, make a first pass, but then you need to have some defensemen that can get in the lane, block shots, box out, match up, they’ve got some size, they can defend.

    This is the kind of straight up alchemical stuff that spooks me.

    For starters, the practice of having a third-pairing shutdown guy is probably the most popular self-imposed tax in the NHL today. The third-pairing is the /last/ place that you need a guy who can ‘block shots’:

    1. If there’s a good defensive player, he should play the harder minutes;

    2. If there are soft minutes, they should be played by the better offensive players

    The third D pairing is where you play players that you can /get away with playing/. That’s just a reality of the economics of deployment. If that player is so good at playing defense, why would you waste their talents on situations (shift-type; competition) that require less of that?

    These minutes aren’t for mitigating risk, they’re for sinking the fangs in.

    Secondly – and shortly – putting a ceiling on skating and passing talent is alternative science.

  130. hunter1909 says:

    Bling:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Encouraging verbal from Holland on JP, but the truth is who he hires will matter much more than whatever he thinks/says.

    We know, based on his time here, that Nelson has all kinds of time for young players. He has done some innovative things with special teams both in the AHL and at the NHL level. He has made reference to having new ideas that he wants to bring to the NHL. He is a new school type, but one with lots of experience. At the AHL level, his teams have been successful and he has won a championship.

    Tippett is a good coach, but he’s an older school button down type. He had success in Dallas, where the star players there had already played for Hitchcock and knew the song and dance. In Phoenix, there was no expectation of winning and he didn’t have any truly elite talent, save for Ekman-Larsson. He made them into an okay team, the way Ron Low did with the late 90s Oilers.

    Tippett is a big name whose name is big for reasons that no one can really articulate, kind of like a Kardashian or, if you are of a certain age, a Hilton. If he were an excellent communicator, developer of talent, or tactician, surely we would have heard something about that in his 14 seasons of being a head coach.

    For as much as MacT is maligned in these parts, Tippett never had a season like MacT’s 06/07 squad. His best season with the Stars saw him go to the conference final (2008). In 05/06 and 06/07, his team won 50 games and bowed out in the first round each time. That’s a rather tepid showing for Tippett.

    When the players said Hitch was being too negative last season, you wonder if anyone heard them. Tippett is from that same McLellan/Hitchcock mould, and he has never won anything.

    Ken Holland is one of the NHL’s premiere managers.

    Connor McDavid and his inner core of players Drai, Nurse, Larson(Hall trade!), Lucic once he leaves will be instantly missed.

    Ken Holland should be a good enough General Manager(the MacT + cohorts are getting jumped and pushed right off of the management)…Kevin Lowe has a job until he dies an Oiler, via the NY Rangers lol

    A 60/40 level head coach(competent enough to NEVER blow a 3-1 series lead in a Million quadrillion years. Tippet is the coach who ticks all the competence boxes. In other words, Tom Johnson was an excellent 2X Cup winning NHL coach, with great hair.

    Tippet has a player who needs better support personnel. Therefore the question is: can one of the historically most successful GM’s in recent times run a lame assed Oilers up and out of the ditch?

    I know nothing about Tippet aside from the fact his teams seem to win more against Edmonton on a regular basis. That he’s a coach the players like. It all sounds good for a young emerging super core like the top 4-5 players.

    Moron Alert! – I have no idea how close this is, but Oilers might have 10 solid players already, with a pretty good pipeline of youth and if Holland has no choice we’re going to see him change his spots and Oilers run a true development season instead of the Lowe+MacT start every November when the team folds, lol

    PS: Can anyone please name MacT’s new team? If he wins the KHL we rehire him on the Kevin Lowe plan ha ha.

  131. GMB3 says:

    hunter1909: Ken Holland is one of the NHL’s premiere managers.

    Connor McDavid and his inner core of players Drai, Nurse, Larson(Hall trade!), Lucic once he leaves will be instantly missed.

    Ken Holland should be a good enough General Manager(the MacT + cohorts are getting jumped and pushed right off of the management)…

    A 60/40 level head coach(competent enough to NEVER blow a 3-1 series lead in a Million quadrillion years.

    We are going to miss Lucic?

    Have another whiskey

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rouyn-Noranda beat Halifax with a last minute goal so each of Rouyn-Noranda, Halifax and Guelph finished at 2-1 but Hamilton wins the tiebreak and Rouyn-Noranda/Guelph go Saturday evening in the semi-final!

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks: So how’s this supposed to work exactly? I’m supposed to ignore your posts entirely but you have carte blanche to critique my posts daily?

    Typical lawyer double standard bs.

    I guess i could undermine your every third post too, but who’s got the time to post 50 times a day.

    1) “you are supposed to”? Am I to tell you what you are supposed to do and not to? Didn’t know I had that power. Respond if you want, don’t respond if you don’t – I don’t control you or what you do.

    2) I don’t look at who posts what before I respond – I read something I want to comment on, I do it.

    3) Nice personal shot at the end – look at Original Pouzar, he posts 50 times/day, he has no life. You know who has time? I do – I also have time to be a partner at a national law firm, work out every day, sometimes twice, prep food, watch sports, spend time with my wife, etc.

    4) thought the poster talking about how many shots against Yak bled would want to have the information that there were prominent players that bled more shots – knowledge is power and it can change pre-conceived narratives if one has an open mind.

  134. silasbengtsson says:

    Wilde:
    This is the kind of straight up alchemical stuff that spooks me.

    For starters, the practice of having a third-pairing shutdown guy is probably the most popular self-imposed tax in the NHL today. The third-pairing is the /last/ place that you need a guy who can ‘block shots’:

    1. If there’s a good defensive player, he should play the harder minutes;

    2. If there are soft minutes, they should be played by the better offensive players

    The third D pairing is where you play players that you can /get away with playing/. That’s just a reality of the economics of deployment. If that player is so good at playing defense, why would you waste their talents on situations (shift-type; competition) that require less of that?

    These minutes aren’t for mitigating risk, they’re for sinking the fangs in.

    Assuming that we agree that the best current example of a sheltered minutes, matchup-exploiting 3rd pairing is Grezlyck-Miller in Boston, isn’t it fair to suggest the right kind of “shutdown D” (Miller, for example) still has a place on such a pairing?

    As much as we may want, that pairing still has to play regular minutes once in a while. As such, having someone capable of mitigating the inherent risk of liability presented by the Grezlyck-type without sacrificing too much of the benefit is of benefit.

    In it’s worst interpretation, that comment can look really bad, but I think it’s premature to take it to mean the worst. Are you privy to other Holland quotes that validate these doubts or is your worry rooted out of Detroit’s D corps? Something else perhaps? I’m curious.

  135. OilClog says:

    I’m scared to hear any sides of the story regarding Oilers pro scouting.

    Oilers Pro Scouting 4 : the tale of 13 bottom pairing defenders and a yarn ball.

    Netflix – comedic horrors

  136. hunter1909 says:

    Bling: For as much as MacT is maligned in these parts, Tippett never had a season like MacT’s 06/07 squad. His best season with the Stars saw him go to the conference final (2008). In 05/06 and 06/07, his team won 50 games and bowed out in the first round each time. That’s a rather tepid showing for Tippett.

    I thought straw men get used after the wheat starts to grow, not during the early stage.

  137. hunter1909 says:

    GMB3: We are going to miss Lucic?

    Have another whiskey

    haha thanks on the wagon. Although my drinking gets progressively more severe. Hence, on the wagon before the upcoming next binge, lol

  138. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Rouyn-Noranda beat Halifax with a last minute goal so each of Rouyn-Noranda, Halifax and Guelph finished at 2-1 but Hamilton wins the tiebreak and Rouyn-Noranda/Guelph go Saturday evening in the semi-final!

    Those pesky Bulldogs, I tell you!

  139. GBandQ says:

    Pescador,

    Pescador,

    or that he was Norwegian.

  140. Ari says:

    I agree with 100% of this.

    Wilde:
    Some quotes from Holland’s interview with Gregor:

    Anyone else think that no pro scout lack should ever lack ‘analytical’ understanding? I don’t know if you can properly evaluate players (even through your eye-test) without thinking probabilistically and understanding how to weight different plays – or how to avoid weighting the wrong things the wrong ways?

    There are certain insights that ‘analytics’ have given us that aren’t optional imo

    This is the kind of straight up alchemical stuff that spooks me.

    For starters, the practice of having a third-pairing shutdown guy is probably the most popular self-imposed tax in the NHL today. The third-pairing is the /last/ place that you need a guy who can ‘block shots’:

    1. If there’s a good defensive player, he should play the harder minutes;

    2. If there are soft minutes, they should be played by the better offensive players

    The third D pairing is where you play players that you can /get away with playing/. That’s just a reality of the economics of deployment. If that player is so good at playing defense, why would you waste their talents on situations (shift-type; competition) that require less of that?

    These minutes aren’t for mitigating risk, they’re for sinking the fangs in.

    Secondly – and shortly – putting a ceiling on skating and passing talent is alternative science.

  141. The Mook says:

    hunter1909: As a witness to Glenn Anderson’s Cup clinching 3rd period 7th game goal vs Philadelphia and that goalie who would happily trade McDavid for a bag of pucks he hates the Oilers so much for that series loss.

    If you think either of those pair…

    Kurri scored the series winning goal, Anderson scored the 3-1 goal with just over 2 minutes remaining

  142. Wilde says:

    silasbengtsson: Assuming that we agree that the best current example of a sheltered minutes, matchup-exploiting 3rd pairing is Grezlyck-Miller in Boston, isn’t it fair to suggest the right kind of “shutdown D” (Miller, for example) still has a place on such a pairing?

    I don’t, but if I were to, what would the counter to a statement like “their level of success equals Grzelcyk minus Miller”?

    Perhaps that Grzelcyk couldn’t possibly be positive-value enough to drag a negative-value Miller into being together the best predatory third-pairing?

    (I’ll quickly note that I mentioned the overwhelming popularity of what I believe to be a mistake, which means they could just be the best of a bad practice)

    If it’s both true that the pairing is the best, and that Grzelcyk is driving the bus, that would line up with Miller ‘having a place on such a pairing’, and then I’d just semantically disagree from within the framework that it’s a ‘waste’. And that that’s not necessarily contradictory.

    As in, sure, it’s not hurting actively, but passively through opportunity cost both ways.

    Since the idea of sheltering means that the offensive player has a deployment ceiling and the defensive player doesn’t (which I don’t fully believe but even in a sliding-scale situation the following is true) the presence of a player who can play higher in the lineup than the ceiling of his partner is lost value, whereas the offensive player is required to be where he is.

    Ergo, any success the Miller has in the third-pairing situation can be both a contribution to that third pairing (validating your proposition) and technically still inefficient (validating mine).

    HOWEVER, I don’t actually believe Boston’s third pairing is the most efficient exploitationally.

    silasbengtsson: As much as we may want, that pairing still has to play regular minutes once in a while. As such, having someone capable of mitigating the inherent risk of liability presented by the Grezlyck-type without sacrificing too much of the benefit is of benefit.

    Two things:

    1) The ‘regular minutes’ aren’t a different game. You can run a controlled loss during the tougher parts of sheltered deployment and just outproduce in the other ones.

    2) This is technically a cop-out, but in my critique of Holland’s answer there I was actually stipulating something I don’t actually believe in. I don’t actually think that this “limited offensive skills but can make a good first pass” player is something to go after, and I think you /can/ have six “dancers”. I was agreeing with Holland’s view of the game and pointing out the contradictions that exist even within that framework

    silasbengtsson: In it’s worst interpretation, that comment can look really bad, but I think it’s premature to take it to mean the worst. Are you privy to other Holland quotes that validate these doubts or is your worry rooted out of Detroit’s D corps? Something else perhaps? I’m curious.

    His history matters to me, yes, but primarily it was the rest of the interview, like:

    “The defense have to be able to go back, and skate back quickly, and they’ve got to be able to turn (behind) the net and be able to get the pucks in the hands of the forwards. Certainly you’re going to also have some time defending. Now those players who can defend and do all the other things, those are the rare elite defenders.”

    The part about a balance of skills being a requisite of eliteness is just wrong, and an uncharitable reading of it could argue that it points to a potentially detrimental bias against accepting unbalanced but useful players. I wouldn’t go that far without building evidence, but it’s a lead to look for that evidence.

    “I think up front, obviously we’ve got to have a bit of depth of scoring, but they don’t have to be guys that score 20 or 25 goals, but you’d like to have people in the bottom six who can chip in 10 goals, and they work, they compete, they get in there on the forecheck and they’re physical and they play with some passion. They play with some emotion.”

    This one is from near the end of the interview, and finishes building that pattern of preference I’m detecting. I can’t nail down his intent for saying something like this (could be media fatigue) without, again, more evidence, but it’s not nothing

  143. pts2pndr says:

    hunter1909: The New England Patriots have a cap budget, refuse point blank to overpay anyone, and are currently the model franchise in NA sports.

    Nurse is by my memory is following the progression of Duncan Keith. His one on one has steadily improved as has his offence. With experience he will become well worth what he is payed. He may not become a true number one D but he will be payed commensurate to his performance level at around six million per year on a long term deal. With escalating cap salaries can be expected to increase also. While it is important to have value contracts it is unrealistic to expect all contracts to be like Klefbom’s.

  144. silasbengtsson says:

    Wilde,

    Thanks for the thorough response! I’m disappointed to say, but I can’t currently put in the amount of time I’d need to in order to do your response justice right now. However, once I’m home later tonight, I plan to respond in full.

  145. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: 1) “you are supposed to”?Am I to tell you what you are supposed to do and not to?Didn’t know I had that power.Respond if you want, don’t respond if you don’t – I don’t control you or what you do.

    2) I don’t look at who posts what before I respond – I read something I want to comment on, I do it.

    3) Nice personal shot at the end – look at Original Pouzar, he posts 50 times/day, he has no life.You know who has time?I do – I also have time to be a partner at a national law firm, work out every day, sometimes twice, prep food, watch sports, spend time with my wife, etc.

    4) thought the poster talking about how many shots against Yak bled would want to have the information that there were prominent players that bled more shots – knowledge is power and it can change pre-conceived narratives if one has an open mind.

    Get a parkade bathroom you two.

  146. Glovjuice says:

    hunter1909: haha thanks on the wagon. Although my drinking gets progressively more severe. Hence, on the wagon before the upcoming next binge, lol

    I have had at least one drink every day except for two days over the last six years (1-in bed with killer flu and 2-during October 18′ gout attack). But, I am never super drunk. Used to puke once a month or more though. Drinking is very fun though.

  147. JimmyV1965 says:

    hunter1909: Sounds like Nurse is “about” to break out.

    Ken Holland arrives right when the rats are jumping off the ship. If Darnell Nurse shows up at the opening bell of the season and plays like an All Star candidate, then expect top executive Ken Holland to get a far better contract deal sorted than anything ever discussed by either the Lowe/MacT apex of ineptitude, or long suffering serious fans many who are going to be mentioned in the upcoming DeathMarch™ announcements.

    If I was Holland I would try to lock up Nurse this summer. I’m sure Nurse wouldn’t be too keen to do it though.

  148. Bag of Pucks says:

    No offense Mr. “Knowledge is Power” but when the equation is X/3=50, X≠50

    Is that ‘injury settlement award’ math?

  149. Westchester Oil says:

    anjinsan:
    1.You argue for Kaliyev based on math but also acknowledge the question about hockey sense.Yakupov aced the math his draft year, too.Just want to point this out.Having done this comparison, I continue to believe that had Kreuger continued as head coach he would have successfully channeled Yakupov’s talent and taught him how to process the game to the best of Yak’s capability.

    2.Seeing Nurse at this year’s Worlds makes me think he’s evolving into a Larry Robinson-like player.That is exactly what MacT foresaw and drafted for.I’m glad MacT is gone gone gone but I think it’s only fair to acknowledge that he got the selections of Nurse and Draisaitl correct, on clear and sound reasoning and recognition of needs.The idea of trading a FAST Larry Robinson-like player as he’s coming into is prime is bloody preposterous, in a special needs category of stupid.

    Kaliyev at #8 isn’t quite the same as Yak at #1.

    That said, good chance Kaliyev doesn’t go in the top 10, so I’d be ok trading down 2-5 spots and grabbing him or Newhook.

  150. Westchester Oil says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Swedish Poster – if you see this, do you have an opinion on Joakim Nygard? Thanks.

  151. Pescador says:

    Westchester Oil:
    SwedishPoster,

    Swedish Poster – if you see this, do you have an opinion on Joakim Nygard? Thanks.

    Pescador: Shoot, I didn’t realize Patrick Thoreson was still playing

  152. Jaxon says:

    I don’t think I’d get too excited about Nygard. He’s 26 and his NHLe is 31. He’s not going to get any better. I doubt he can even score 30 points in the NHL as NHLe calculations are often based on younger players who are improving year over year, not on veterans as much. The SHL scoring was led by Derek Roy and a few other players who were either fringe NHL players for a few years or were never drafted.

    That said, his speed may make him a decent bottom six player who can pitch in a few goals…

    From EPRinkside:
    “His blazing speed makes him one of, if not the fastest player in the league. He has been a steady contributor for Färjestad the past few years and is defensively dependable which makes him bottom-six material for an NHL team looking to add depth.

    “His speed makes him a threat offensively, but I also feel he can do other things for you as well, like kill penalties and be a good forechecker”, Rikard Grönorg said as he made Nygård one of his players for Beijer Hockey Games earlier this week.”

  153. Jaxon says:

    dustrock: Was less about hockey sense and more about the dreaded “inconsistent effort” I think.

    The more I read about Kaliyev the more attractive he is.

    I’m not sure I pick him over Cozens but Kaliyev and Caufield are the 2 guys where I think “40 goal scorer”.

    Munny:
    Kaliyev’s problem isn’t his hockey sense, or really his head… it’s that his heart, or lack thereof, is making decisions for him.

    No desire, no battle… a more talented Robert Schremp.These things are essential to making and sticking in the Bigs.And it’s one reason why we see kids drafted in the 6th beat out 150 kids drafted before them to earn an NHL paycheque.

    I can’t think of a harder thing to teach a young man…

    He has a wonderful skillset, I hope he turns it around and makes it, but this is a truly Boom or Bust pick, and the risk is like Teri Hatcher’s rack—real and spectacular.I’d nick his ranking to allow for that fulsome risk.YMMV.

    SwedishPoster:
    Because of the discrepancy between numbers and hype I tried to look a bit closer at Kaliyev, shift by shifts, highlights etc, and I get the questions on skating (though I like his crossovers and think there’s a tool to help his acceleration there) but the claims he lacks hockey sense and stays on the perimeter is hoppycock imo. I seriously doubt anyone, outside of maybe Caulfield, finds the good ice offensively better in this draft. Really smart player from what I see.

    LT, I was thinking about doing my usual musings on what I think of the swedish draftees sometime this week, would you prefer I posted it after you’ve published your write up on all things swedish?

    I also think Kaliyev’s perceived deficiencies have been grossly exaggerated and maybe that’s scouts gamesmanship so he slides a bit. The verbal I read doesn’t really support it and his coach has glowing reviews of both his effort and his coachability. He’ll be an interesting player to follow in the draft and for the next 5 years.

    From Corey Pronman at The Athletic:

    “The scouts on the more optimistic side of the projection argue the DeBrincat situation as a comparison to Kaliyev. Sure there are major differences in size and compete level, but both didn’t have a ton of speed, but have elite brains and shots, and both produced a lot in the OHL. DeBrincat’s coach went to bat for him, as well.

    “Arthur is one of the most dynamic players I’ve coached in the OHL in my six years here. I coached Dylan Strome and Alex DeBrincat. In my opinion, Arthur is just as good a player as either of those two,” said Vince Laise, the acting coach of the Hamilton Bulldogs.

    Laise was formerly an assistant coach with Erie.

    “Arthur has the ability to find the back of the net just as those two did at the same age,” Laise said. “They differ in play styles but all achieve what NHL organizations look for. Arthur is more than just a power play producer, his underlying value is his ability to produce at even strength and his playmaking. He’s been as coachable as they come and a pleasure to work with.””

  154. Professor Q says:

    Jaxon,

    Could both Kaliyev and Lavoie rise into the Top 10?

    We wait.

  155. Jaxon says:

    Professor Q:
    Jaxon,

    Could both Kaliyev and Lavoie rise into the Top 10?

    We wait.

    I don’t know but only Stamkos, Tavares, Skinner and Debrincat have scored 50 goals in the OHL. Kaliyev’s numbers compare quite well to Tavares who also had slow boots concerns and is still considered a relatively slow skater to this day. I think The concerns about Kaliyev’s may have to do with his cerebral play and finding open ice and the perception that big players with long strides are not trying as hard (see Leon Draisaitl). Kaliyev’s 5v5 primarynumbers aren’t off the charts great but his goal scoring is and if he clicks with an elite like McDavid or Draisaitl, Edmonton’s scoring issues could be solved. Same goes for Lavoie. Tomasino is another if love to see but it’s even more of a reach, which I don’t really understand as he scored at a higher rate than almost anyone at 5v5 and I’ve never seen a negative word written in a scouting report and he has a decent frame at 6’0″, 181lbs.

  156. Wilde says:

    Jaxon,

    yea I like Tomasino more than Suzuki atm

  157. godot10 says:

    Jaxon: I don’t know but only Stamkos, Tavares, Skinner and Debrincat have scored 50 goals in the OHL. Kaliyev’s numbers compare quite well to Tavares who also had slow boots concerns and is still considered a relatively slow skater to this day. I think The concerns about Kaliyev’s may have to do with his cerebral play and finding open ice and the perception that big players with long strides are not trying as hard (see Leon Draisaitl). Kaliyev’s 5v5 primarynumbers aren’t off the charts great but his goal scoring is and if he clicks with an elite like McDavid or Draisaitl, Edmonton’s scoring issues could be solved. Same goes for Lavoie. Tomasino is another if love to see but it’s even more of a reach, which I don’t really understand as he scored at a higher rate than almost anyone at 5v5 and I’ve never seen a negative word written in a scouting report and he has a decent frame at 6’0″, 181lbs.

    Why do people think a one dimensional sniper is what McDavid needs?

    Wingers with a broad range of skills will help him more.

  158. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jaxon,

    – This Nygard guy: he would be a good “block” for the Benson/Marody, or at least someone they’d have to compete with: so that’s good, non?

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    CAN/SUI in about 20 minutes.

    No Mantha – suspended for 1 game for a head shot.

    Go Canada!

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    Leon and the Germans play at noon against CZE.

  161. Wilde says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Jaxon,

    – This Nygard guy: he would be a good “block” for the Benson/Marody, or at least someone they’d have to compete with: so that’s good, non?

    I’m assuming it’s a penalty kill thing and they’re just shooting directly what they thought worst case Tobias would be

    godot10: Why do people think a one dimensional sniper is what McDavid needs?

    Wingers with a broad range of skills will help him more.

    Not when the offensive skill and intelligence difference is too large, as it is with Kaliyev.

    Also, I’ve yet to see the ‘one-dimensional’ critique address the fact that he lead the U18 OHL in assists.

  162. Jaxon says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Jaxon,

    – This Nygard guy: he would be a good “block” for the Benson/Marody, or at least someone they’d have to compete with: so that’s good, non?

    For sure, but that guy can be found everywhere. Joe Gambardella had an NHLe of 37 compared to Nygard’s 31 and is a year younger and also a fast skater. If Gambardella was deciding between the Flames and Oilers would we be getting excited? There are many fringe NHLers at 25 years old with a NHLe of about 30 who will get p[aid in the 650k – 750k range.

  163. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jaxon: For sure, but that guy can be found everywhere. Joe Gambardella had an NHLe of 37 compared to Nygard’s 31 and is a year younger and also a fast skater. If Gambardella was deciding between the Flames and Oilers would we be getting excited? There are many fringe NHLers at 25 years old with a NHLe of about 30 who will get p[aid in the 650k – 750k range.

    – Yup: I’m on board for slotting in one or the other of Benson/Marody and project them as rookies who will make mistakes on a 3rd/4rth line. So yeah get guys like him or the 700K guys to compete

    – It’s counting on Nygard or Benson or Marody to be difference makes next years that’s where we always get in trouble with projections. Hope they do better, but don’t place them there untill they should be. Not to compare to Pool, who is a way better prospect than either of them, and look what he’s done, despite being slotted higher.

  164. Jaxon says:

    Wilde: I’m assuming it’s a penalty kill thing and they’re just shooting directly what they thought worst case Tobias would be

    Not when the offensive skill and intelligence difference is too large, as it is with Kaliyev.

    Also, I’ve yet to see the ‘one-dimensional’ critique address the fact that he lead the U18 OHL in assists.

    He has been labelled as one-dimensional but his vision, playmaking (50 assists), and scouting reports that emphasize his high hockey IQ seem to conflict with that label. But, yes, putting a sniper with McDavid and Draisaitl would be amazing especially one that is also an elite passer like Kaliyev (and coachable and intelliegnt, etc). Looking back on scouting reports from the only other players to score 50 goals as 17-yr-olds Tavares, Debrincat, and Skinners draft year, they all had deficiencies in skating. Stamkos is the only player who seemed a sure thing without deficiencies at the time of his draft.

    Skinner:
    “If there are drawbacks to Skinner’s game, they could be in his relative lack of size (5-foot-10, 187 pounds) and skating ability”

    Tavares:
    “He doesnt have blinding speed, but he compensates for that with great hands, tremendous vision and a desire to always improve.”
    Skating may be the weakest of his tools as he’s not the type to go end to end. “He’s an above-average skater,” Button said.

    Debrincat:
    “In DeBrincat’s case, he isn’t helped by the elite skating that often propels diminutive players into starring roles at the NHL level.”

    I believe above-average (Tavares report) is how Pronman has described Kaliyev’s skating.

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon: For sure, but that guy can be found everywhere. Joe Gambardella had an NHLe of 37 compared to Nygard’s 31 and is a year younger and also a fast skater. If Gambardella was deciding between the Flames and Oilers would we be getting excited? There are many fringe NHLers at 25 years old with a NHLe of about 30 who will get p[aid in the 650k – 750k range.

    I wouldn’t call Joe G. a fast skater – average boots at best on Joe.

    Don’t know much (i.e. anything) about Nygard but, from the reports, I anticipate he is MUCH quicker than Joe G.

    Don’t get me wrong, I like Joe G – his year over year progression over the last two years was dynamite and he’s the type of player that may just be very effective on the 4th line.

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