Forever Doesn’t Mean Forever Anymore

by Lowetide

Dave Tippett played hockey in the ’70’s, ’80’s and ’90’s. When he stopped playing, he went directly into coaching and he worked his way up from the IHL to assistant coach in the NHL to head coach. He’s never won a Stanley but took a Dallas team and a Phoenix team into the third round. You can find a lot of people who are willing to tear a strip off this hire before the media avail, but I think Mr. Tippett warrants a more nuanced view.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: What will Ken Holland see in Evan Bouchard?
  • New Lowetide: Does Oilers’ signing of Joakim Nygard signal a measured approach to summer 2019?
  • Lowetide: Dave Tippett’s roster deployment in Arizona and what it might mean for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Why Ken Holland’s worst years in Detroit tell us the most about how he’ll fare in Edmonton
  • Jonathan Willis: Three offseason scenarios and how each one would affect the Oilers salary cap
  • Lowetide: Examining the Oilers’ goaltending options in free agency.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s Oilers could go the high octane procurement route but will need a driver
  • Lowetide: How much can Connor Brown help the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Dmitri Samorukov is off to the Memorial Cup and is the Oilers’ fastest rising prospect
  • Jonathan Willis: Craig MacTavish leaves the Oilers, signalling the first major front office change under Ken Holland
  • Lowetide: What kind of coach should Ken Holland hire for the Oilers?
  • Jonathan Willis: Every Oilers AHL prospect, rated by how close they are to the NHL
  • Jonathan Willis: A resurgent Andrej Sekera gives the Oilers much-needed defensive options
  • Lowetide: Is Joe Gambardella destined to become the Oilers’ next Fernando Pisani?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland steadfast that buck stops with him as new Oilers GM.
  • Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • Jonathan Willis: What does the arrival of Ken Holland mean for the Oilers coaching search?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.

Nice headphones. That was state of the art back then, I remember wearing those same mic/phones back in the day.

What were Tippett’s best teams? His Dallas team ’05-06 and ’06-07 both won 50 or more games. They were veteran teams, strong, with some speed and grit. Mike Modano, Bill Guerin, Jere Lehtinen, Brenden Morrow, Jason Arnott.

Who was their best player? I’ll say Sergei Zubov. He was 300 years old, lived on pickled eggs and vodka shots, but my goodness what a player.

Goalie? In Dallas, Marty Turco and then Mike Smith.

Best Coyotes team? The first one, they won 50 games and had a balanced, veteran team. The 2011-12 team went the farthest though, third round.

Who was their best player? The goalie is always a star for Tippett, so Ilya Bryzgalov and then Mike Smith are prominent names. Among skaters, before OEL, I’d list Shane Doan, an emerging Martin Hanzal, Radim Vrbata.

What are the strengths of Tippett’s teams? The best ones, by that I mean all but the final few Coyotes teams, were good at outscoring opponents.

Example? In 2005-06, the average NHL team scored and allowed 248 goals. Dallas scored 253 and allowed 217. They were solid on the power play-penalty kill (scored 88, allowed 82, average 85-85) but the strength came at even strength (155-128, +27).

Another example? In 2011-12, in Phoenix. Average team scored and allowed 218 goals, Coyotes 210-194. At even strength, Phoenix scored 170 goals, allowed 152, +18.

How many even-strength goals did Edmonton score and allow last season? Oilers scored 172, allowed 202. That 202 number should get carved down handsomely if Tippett can deliver as he’s been able to do in the past.

How many points do Tippett’s team post in his first season as coach? Dallas had 111 points and won the Pacific Division in 2002-03. Phoenix Coyotes had 107 points in 2009-10, his team finished second in the Pacific.

QUESTIONS

One of the big questions surrounding Dave Tippett (and Ken Holland) and their arrival in Edmonton is Jesse Puljujarvi. Look, I know he isn’t working out but you just can’t leave him by the side of the road. Seriously. If they’re going to move on, make a deal that gets the organization something, and puts JP in a good spot. I would suggest a quality AHL forward in or near entry deal. Here are the best in the pool based on being under 23 and having a solid points-per-game total. I included two Oilers kids for fun, this is 5-on-5 scoring.

RC Cooper Marody 58, 12-28-40 (.690)

R Drake Batherson 59, 16-24-40 (.678) Not a chance Ottawa deals him.

LC John Quenneville 37, 9-15-24 (.649) NJD would probably trade him, don’t know if JP would be a target.

L AJ Greer 54, 12-20-32 (.593) Colorado would be an interesting spot for JP, not sure if Greer could be pried loose.

L Tyler Benson 68, 13-27-40 (.588)

LC Aleksei Saarela 69, 20-16-36 (.522) Playing alongside Sebastian Aho might be ideal for JP, would they deal promising scorer Saarela?

BALANCE

The television kept telling me ‘moar big’ was the reason for St. Louis and Boston making the Stanley Cup Finals this spring. I’ve mentioned this 1,000 times, but for me the key elements for both teams are things like goaltending, outscoring and balance.

What do I mean by balance? Well, Boston is a balanced team. They boast two quality goaltenders, some puck movers (Krug) and some shutdown (Chara) types and some very nice young blue (McAvoy, Carlo, Grzelcyk) contributing to the cause. They have depth, as demonstrated by Connor Clifton’s emergence.

Up front, they have Patrice Bergeron, who is pretty close to perfect. Brad Marchand is a titmouse but the man can play and David Pastrnak is a pure sniper.

That veteran forward group (which also includes David Krejci) is followed up with two excellent youngsters who can help with the offense (Jake DeBrusk, Danton Heinen). The bottom six can skate, deliver some offense and play a disciplined game.

That’s balance. Not every player is a speed demon with a howitzer, but each man on the roster can supply something of value. Twelve players have seven or more points, that’s depth across the roster. The added rentals (Charlie Coyle, Marcus Johansson) have also contributed.

You can have Adam Larsson on your team, but Adam Larsson and Kris Russell on your team means two defenders who aren’t expert with the puck inside the top 4D. Darnell Nurse can transport like a King but is not a great outlet passer. If you take out (say) Russell, and place Evan Bouchard inside the top 4D, that means Oscar Klefbom and Bouchard can play the role of passing blue on one pairing each. That’s the goal for Ken Holland and (soon) Dave Tippett. Godspeed.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, it’s going to be a big day. Jonathan Willis from The Athletic will join us at 10:20 and we’ll chat Tippett and Milan Lucic trade scenarios. At 11, Ken Holland introduces Dave Tippett (we believe) as Edmonton’s 21st head coach (including WHA). 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. History is made today. We’ve been saying that a lot lately.

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Roughneck

Sure glad they updated us on the McDavid injury. HOF journalism at its best. Lets scrum around and ask inane questions about nuthin.

What a gig.

Minister D-

Joe G. extended, 2 years (nhl.com)

defmn

ArmchairGM:
Getting out from under the Lucic contract would be great,but it’s a luxury, not a necessity. And I’m not sure we can afford such luxury at this point. There are myriad ways to build a competitive team with Lucic on the 23 man roster.

Agreed.

Anybody who goes to Cap Friendly and looks at the list of names under ‘Popular Buyouts’ can see the contracts listed are pretty much as bad as the Lucic contract and the team name beside them indicates that they still made the playoffs. It would be nice to get more value for that $6 mil but he isn’t why we didn’t make the playoffs.

ArmchairGM

rickithebear,

Hey Ricki, good to hear from you again! Keep strong!

ArmchairGM

Getting out from under the Lucic contract would be great, but it’s a luxury, not a necessity. And I’m not sure we can afford such luxury at this point. There are myriad ways to build a competitive team with Lucic on the 23 man roster.

OriginalPouzar

godot10: There are rules against cap contravention.

There is no cap circumvention there – he is just describing a healthy scratch essentially. Full cap hit. Full placement on the 23 man roster.

If he’s positing that Lucic is not on the roster/cap, well, that is not possible aside from filing official retirement papers.

OriginalPouzar

rickithebear:

Sat next to a guy early in season with a real cool flames jacket at Tom Baker Cancer Center.
Asked if it was an Org Jacket.
As soon as Ken King started to speak, I said “ you are Ken King”

We were able to get Ken King to speak a financial services symposium I helped organize at the firm a few years back and one of my partners has actually developed a decently close relationship with King (not buddies but ability to text and get a response). Anyways, I mentioned a number of months back that Ken was quite sick with cancer – I hope his treatment is going well, and of course, your as well RTB.

OriginalPouzar

Reja: Any possible deal would have to be after the bonus is paid July 1st I believe. Maybe yamo and next years second if not enough.maybe take back a not the friendliest contract.

So, we have to give up a solid 1st round pick prospect that just finished his rookie pro season and a 2nd round pick and take back a bad contract (which is similar to retaining as it reduces the cap space we are creating)? That is a lot of “pain” to get rid of Lucic.

P.S. the Oilers last two second round picks have been Ryan McLeod and Tyler Benson – not a nominal asset.

leadfarmer

rickithebear,

But you were the only person in the world in favor of the manning trade

hunter1909

Cheers Nit64.

Will repost the new updated unofficial list tomorrow; hopefully by that time all of this silly new coach chatter will have died down.

hunter1909

Nit64: Joe tied for 2nd in 2015-16
Rom tied for 2nd in 2017-18
Jake tied for 2nd in 2015-16 (moves to 5th)
Sheps tied for 7th in 2014-15

€√¥£€^$

rickithebear,

Ricki,

That is pretty cool!

Which players did you identify from 07-08 to 18-19?

I don’t recall ever reading a post where you mentioned Forwards, I thought you were all about D-men and G-Men…..

This is very interesting to me, hopefully you feel up to sharing this info with us.

Take care and all the best to you sir!!

godot10

gimme shelter:
We should make Lucic are $6 million dollar a year skills coach. He can sit up in the pressbox
and develop from there.What ever Paul Coffey did he was invisible.Lucic could be invisible in the pressbox.

There are rules against cap contravention.

JimmyV1965

YKOil:
I am becoming a believer that moving Lucic will be less painful than we thought and that Kassian is more valuable than we give him credit for.Some salary retention and a pick to be sure (re: moving Lucic) but that is a far cry from where we were imo (i.e. more costly than that).

Thank-you Boston and St. Louis.

We keep hearing people talking about trading Nurse because he’s at peak value, IMO it’s Kassian we should be looking at. He would have tremendous value on the trade market right now. I’m sure a team like Tampa would be very very interested in adding a player with functional toughness with a low cap hit. Add a small sweetener and it might get you JT Miller.

rickithebear

Open shots are the only shots that have a chance of going in.
If you do not exclude the closed shots.
All shot measures are well crap.

Mike Smith is the best HD open shot save% goalie in the league.
Calgary is consistently one of the worst HD open shot defence in the league.

A. stralman has been one of the best Elite HD Dmen for years.
I stumped him before all of you knew what My HD SH Area was.
Little own differentiating based on a Bolean 3D situational play map team, comp, zone start.

As we see now almost 10 years later binary academic analysis is being treated like the joke it is.
You have to have all 3 variables

As for preventing Corsi that can actually go in.
Russell is still one dman you want.

Our teams problem is still the 2 open SH def nightmares Klefbom & Nurse.

Who abandon the def of HD area. Taking our def from a standard 3-2-1
To a 3-1-1-1

But the GA structures really going from 2-1 to 1-1.

A bloody nightmare.

Nurse can be a first comp HD dman if we rain in his desire to be the rover in a 3-1 forward system.

Only one rover in a Tippett system.

Love when Tippett demands the NZ trap.
One of the highest WIN% actions when it comes to preventing Z entry & ultimately GA.

I have started to apply SOE action by position mapping to NFL sys schematics.
Discovering that a high drive Efficiency driven by 3RB system yields the highest playoff game success @ 84% of the time.
Is counter to current football belief. Except teams like NWE

Just like the Off dman ( rover) Scoring like a 4 th line forward & an Open HD SH nightmare.
Is hard to accept for most people.
Largely due to them not differentiating between shots that have 0% chance of going in and shots that require movement by goalie to stop the puck directed in open space in net elevation.

Sat next to a guy early in season with a real cool flames jacket at Tom Baker Cancer Center.
Asked if it was an Org Jacket.
As soon as Ken King started to speak, I said “ you are Ken King”

Stated I had developed a collection of Hockey based theories.
Like HD SH theory that his Analytics department likely used.
He stated “ We are currently Happy with our analytics team”
I stated “your team is built to win in reg season.”
I stated “his team had a major flaw that was counter to my cup roster core theory.”
My name was called to go in for bags of IV treatment.
Stood up and looked at him.
“ You can ask for Rickithebear in the bone marrow clinic after the playoffs if you want to win”
Went in but came out to use a bathroom out in area.
King was gone.

But a guy sitting near said he turned to look at me when I first went in.

HD open SH Defence 2-1 in HD area partnered with a forward run NZ trap is the critical driver of elite GA success.
Which is the highest win % mechanism for Cup & Conf Championship success.
Calgaryhas brutal open HD SH Dmen

Started looking at prospects available in the draft who were 16 yr old July 1 2018 and add an extra year to slide rule, plus an extra year before age 27 compared to rest of players in draft.
looking for potential 30 G scorers based on age NHLE (which I have pushed since 07-08)

Age NHLE
Bobby brink (.703) 33G 31A 64P
Alex Beaucage (.715) 33G 34A 67P
Nicholas Robertson (.747) 33G 34A 67P
Philip Tomisino (.717) 32G 36A 68P
Blake Murray (.701) 28G 19A 47P

2 of these plus
Arthur kailyev June birth (.695) 43G 43A 86 P

JimmyV1965

Munny: The Forwards bolt the zone like Costanza spotting a trashcan fire.

Thanks a lot. I spit out my coffee reading this. Post of the day.

jtblack

Durag: He wasn’t fired or anything, they just haven’t seen him in about a year

+1

Reja

OriginalPouzar: If you are speaking about amnesty buyouts in connection with the new CBA, there is definitely a chance but far from a foregone conclusion.

What type of asset are you willing to give up to get rid of the Lucic contract with no cap being retained? In order to get someone to take the $6M contract, I would think we are looking at a Bouchard or the 8th which are, obviously, non-starters.

If you are thiking of a Bear level prospect, I would suggest that would do it in conjunction with $3M retainement – also a very steep price.

Any possible deal would have to be after the bonus is paid July 1st I believe. Maybe yamo and next years second if not enough.maybe take back a not the friendliest contract.

Sunnyboy

Kris Russell may be shaking right now.

Lol, you’re dreaming.

OriginalPouzar

Reja: I say the chances of 1 buyout per team next year is over 50% I would not retain 3 mil and have that on my back for 4 years would rather give sweetener or wait one more year maybe Lucic gets 17 goals next year.

If you are speaking about amnesty buyouts in connection with the new CBA, there is definitely a chance but far from a foregone conclusion.

What type of asset are you willing to give up to get rid of the Lucic contract with no cap being retained? In order to get someone to take the $6M contract, I would think we are looking at a Bouchard or the 8th which are, obviously, non-starters.

If you are thiking of a Bear level prospect, I would suggest that would do it in conjunction with $3M retainement – also a very steep price.

jp

OriginalPouzar: Absolutely agree – the Lucic contract is the one and only contract to pay to dispose of.Retaining salary is one thing as it doesn’t hurt the future but buyouts need to be a non-starter and, aside from Lucic, sweeteners only contemplated if we are talking about a C prospect or equivalent type pick.

One additional contract we, unfortunately, need to add to the list is Koskinen, but moving it isn’t an option right now – we need give it year 1 before any decisions are made on it.

I keep forgetting about Koskinen as a problem. The player (and his contract) certainly have the possibility of going sideways. It’s also very possible he’ll be average/good. Not a good bet to be sure, but as you say we need more time to know if it will be a problem or not.

Scungilli Slushy

One thing about the new coach that I don’t think we saw under the previous two is making a plan built for the players on the roster.

Tippet has coached Rieder who is not useless. He’s coached big slow power forwards as in Doan.

It is entirely possible that players perform better. I’m not saying Lucic will get 50 points, but maybe 30 and continue to drive possession. Maybe others bounce back some as Holland works to up team speed and skill.

I hope they can move Lucic and Russell and use Sekera as far as he’s healthy. They have good coverage at LD so thinning the herd won’t be an issue.

Get a solid backup, get a RD that can move and pass. Wingers if possible, but doing the first two things and having a happier harder working team will be a huge boost in itself as we saw in Tippet’s previous work and the Isles this year.

Not Cup, but in the race hard at least.

Buddy

Ben: Disagree here. You’ll make different decisions today if your goal is playoffs tomorrow vs. multiple championships over several years.

I wish someone had explained that to the Harvard grad.

Reja

OriginalPouzar: Absolutely agree – the Lucic contract is the one and only contract to pay to dispose of.Retaining salary is one thing as it doesn’t hurt the future but buyouts need to be a non-starter and, aside from Lucic, sweeteners only contemplated if we are talking about a C prospect or equivalent type pick.

One additional contract we, unfortunately, need to add to the list is Koskinen, but moving it isn’t an option right now – we need give it year 1 before any decisions are made on it.

I say the chances of 1 buyout per team next year is over 50% I would not retain 3 mil and have that on my back for 4 years would rather give sweetener or wait one more year maybe Lucic gets 17 goals next year.

ArmchairGM

OriginalPouzar: Stay classy!

Enjoy your off-season.

I’d enjoy it more if you stopped building straw men.

OriginalPouzar

jp: I agree, it’s the right way forward.

The Lucic contract is a long term impediment, so that’s the one to pay to go away. Every other problem contract is A) only a small problem, and B) gone in 2 years.

What’s it going to cost? I’m looking forward to seeing how it plays out, as well as the rest of the summer moves.

Absolutely agree – the Lucic contract is the one and only contract to pay to dispose of. Retaining salary is one thing as it doesn’t hurt the future but buyouts need to be a non-starter and, aside from Lucic, sweeteners only contemplated if we are talking about a C prospect or equivalent type pick.

One additional contract we, unfortunately, need to add to the list is Koskinen, but moving it isn’t an option right now – we need give it year 1 before any decisions are made on it.

Munny

ArmchairGM: Isn’t that what nhle is for though, to predict future NHL production? If success in the AHL was a greater predictor of success at the NHL level, shouldn’t AHL have a higher nhle factor than the SHL?

NHLe is a somewhat flawed stat, but regardless of its actual predictive power, it doesn’t tell us whether a defenseman changing Leagues can defend in the higher League, or whether he should be 1st, 2nd, or 3rd pairing or more properly in the A,

I certainly think the scouts have seen him good, which is important considering he’s a smaller Dman playing against men… but also in a less physical League on larger ice.

The proof will be in the pudding… seeing him in actual NHL games, although he himself may want time to adapt, who knows?

But some shelter would be advisable if he’s playing in the Show, and it should be pretty obvious pretty quickly, if he’s in over his head.

He’s still young… even defenders who come up through the N. American system aren’t hitting their stride till their mid to late 20s. Not a bad bet.

jp

OriginalPouzar: Holland has been fairly clear that, yes, the roster needs improvement for this coming season and the goal is to make the playoffs, however, the ultimate goal is to build an elite team that is a consistent contender and he isn’t going to make moves that decrease the ability to meet that ultimate goal.

He even mentioned today something along the lines of being a bubble team (didn’t use that phrase).

Given it will be tough make material acquisitions without opening up cap space, I believe most improvements will be around the edges – creating some depth of forward with some actuall skill/scoring in the bottom 6.

Given the ultimate goal, I think he may “pay” to move out one contract, maybe, but he isn’t going to take on too much future pain (using important prospects, high draft picks, etc. to open up space) for the short term secondary goal.

I like it.

I agree, it’s the right way forward.

The Lucic contract is a long term impediment, so that’s the one to pay to go away. Every other problem contract is A) only a small problem, and B) gone in 2 years.

What’s it going to cost? I’m looking forward to seeing how it plays out, as well as the rest of the summer moves.

OriginalPouzar

gimme shelter:
We should make Lucic are $6 million dollar a year skills coach. He can sit up in the pressbox
and develop from there.What ever Paul Coffey did he was invisible.Lucic could be invisible in the pressbox.

but not on the cap and not on the 23 man roster.

OriginalPouzar

ArmchairGM:
That doesn’t assume anything, dummy.

Stay classy!

Enjoy your off-season.

Jaxon

ArmchairGM: Isn’t that what nhle is for though, to predict future NHL production? If success in the AHL was a greater predictor of success at the NHL level, shouldn’t AHL have a higher nhle factor than the SHL?

I may not have been clear but I think we agree with each other. SHL is a better League and NHLe indicates that. SHL may or may not be a greater predictor of success at the NHL level because the games are so different mainly due to ice size, but also to a different philosophy or culture around hockey. Many to players in the SHL cannot play in the NHL as their skills don’t translate. They often need to re-learn the game in the AHL before playing in the NHL. I think being fast and being able to think fast are something that is more necessary in the AHL than the SHL as you don’t have near as much time and space as not only are the players faster but the ice is smaller. Both leagues are full of players not fast enough to make it in the NHL, but the SHL players don’t have to think as fast and that may be the stumbling block for many. Sorry, my reply is a bit all over the map as I type out loud about the topic. NHLe is good at predicting how much offense the best players in each League might bring to the NHL. Some leagues have a larger sample size than others and go deeper down each team’s lineup. SHL players generally bring more of their offense with them, but only the very best go directly to the NHL whereas many AHL players on reach team get cups of coffee in the NHL thereby watering down the results. If only a few SHL players and few AHL players made the NHL I think you’d see the AHL NHLe rise by quite a bit.

Rebillled

‘Hey Burgers, great job on the last presser but you’re never doing that again.’
“What?’
‘You’re fired.’
‘Ok…wait, can you fire me?’
‘Yes.’
‘Wait, no you can’t. Haha, good one.’
‘….’

We wait.

gimme shelter

We should make Lucic are $6 million dollar a year skills coach. He can sit up in the pressbox
and develop from there.What ever Paul Coffey did he was invisible.Lucic could be invisible in the pressbox.

ArmchairGM

Jaxon: I mostly agree with this but I’m not certain AHL is better than SHL. I think SHL is a slightly better League but is not a better stepping stone to the NHL. I think the AHL can be closest to the NHL, yet not a better League. If that makes sense.

Isn’t that what nhle is for though, to predict future NHL production? If success in the AHL was a greater predictor of success at the NHL level, shouldn’t AHL have a higher nhle factor than the SHL?

OriginalPouzar: “I wonder if Persson might be a solution to the 2RD question.”

That doesn’t assume anything, dummy.

OriginalPouzar

YourboyAllan:
I sure hope Tippett left on a very good note with Seattle come expansion time.

Very much so:

https://twitter.com/NHLSeattle_/status/1133467561557778432

OriginalPouzar

ArmchairGM: Nobody is suggesting anybody should assume Persson is ready for top-4 duty.

“I wonder if Persson might be a solution to the 2RD question.”

OriginalPouzar

Reja: Can Russell be sent to the minors this and next year.

Not without his consent but, even if he could be, there would be almost no chance of that happening.

OriginalPouzar

ArmchairGM: Nothing I wrote precludes Holland from signing another middle six left winger to a short term contract.Besides Nygard.

Of course note but that isn’t what your post said. Your post said that if Benson can find a home on the 2nd line, it will have an effect on what Holland does this summer.

Holland won’t know if Benson can find a home on the 2nd line until after the summer.

It would effect next off-season, potentially.

OriginalPouzar

ArmchairGM: I’m saying both goals are achievable. Its possible to aim for the playoffs this year and build a legitimate contender.

Holland has been fairly clear that, yes, the roster needs improvement for this coming season and the goal is to make the playoffs, however, the ultimate goal is to build an elite team that is a consistent contender and he isn’t going to make moves that decrease the ability to meet that ultimate goal.

He even mentioned today something along the lines of being a bubble team (didn’t use that phrase).

Given it will be tough make material acquisitions without opening up cap space, I believe most improvements will be around the edges – creating some depth of forward with some actuall skill/scoring in the bottom 6.

Given the ultimate goal, I think he may “pay” to move out one contract, maybe, but he isn’t going to take on too much future pain (using important prospects, high draft picks, etc. to open up space) for the short term secondary goal.

I like it.

Professor Q

Was the Skills Coach just not working out for Paul Coffey?

I know we never really saw any actual physical teachings or sessions or heard much of how he affected the players, but one would hope he’d be good for that sort of stuff.

I guess, maybe not?

YKOil

I am becoming a believer that moving Lucic will be less painful than we thought and that Kassian is more valuable than we give him credit for. Some salary retention and a pick to be sure (re: moving Lucic) but that is a far cry from where we were imo (i.e. more costly than that).

Thank-you Boston and St. Louis.

ArmchairGM

Jaxon: I mostly agree with this but I’m not certain AHL is better than SHL. I think SHL is a slightly better League but is not a better stepping stone to the NHL. I think the AHL can be closest to the NHL, yet not a better League. If that makes sense.

Isn’t that what nhle is for though, to predict future NHL production? If success in the AHL was a greater predictor of success at the NHL level, shouldn’t AHL have a higher nhle factor than the SHL?

YKOil

oilfan9911: You do know that Holland pioneered the back diving contracts to reduce overall cap hits right?

I view both Holland and Tippett as being under-the-table advanced thinking plays given their history.

Only question in my mind is whether or not they are still one-step ahead, at pace, or now slightly behind the race leaders.

I believe them to be, at worst, at pace. This is markedly ahead of/different from Chiarelli’s ‘I’m smarter than all of you combined’ approach.

YKOil

Jaxon: I mostly agree with this but I’m not certain AHL is better than SHL. I think SHL is a slightly better League but is not a better stepping stone to the NHL. I think the AHL can be closest to the NHL, yet not a better League. If that makes sense.

Pretty much where I sit on this.

Player development: SEL, AHL, KHL
NHL readiness: AHL, SEL, KHL

pts2pndr

OriginalPouzar: Whoa, the SHL is not a much better league than the AHL, in fact, its generally accepted as a lower league.

There is debate as between the AHL and KHL for the “2nd best league in the world” but I think its fairly accepted that the SHL is below both – its 4th.

Persson isn’t even a lock to be NHL-ready let alone top 4 ready and, even if he proves to be, they cannot go through the off-season and in to the season assuming that’s the case.

They did it with Russel.

YourboyAllan

I sure hope Tippett left on a very good note with Seattle come expansion time.

Munny

Nit64: Forwards working with D to move the puck would not hurt either.

The Forwards bolt the zone like Costanza spotting a trashcan fire.

Jaxon

OriginalPouzar: Whoa, the SHL is not a much better league than the AHL, in fact, its generally accepted as a lower league.

There is debate as between the AHL and KHL for the “2nd best league in the world” but I think its fairly accepted that the SHL is below both – its 4th.

Persson isn’t even a lock to be NHL-ready let alone top 4 ready and, even if he proves to be, they cannot go through the off-season and in to the season assuming that’s the case.

I mostly agree with this but I’m not certain AHL is better than SHL. I think SHL is a slightly better League but is not a better stepping stone to the NHL. I think the AHL can be closest to the NHL, yet not a better League. If that makes sense.

oilfan9911

Jethro Tull: Ah, yes. Appeal to authority.Look at his past body of work.Similar to TMac.If anything, Hitch was better.Yet they are gone…..

Talk is cheap.Actions are louder.Nothing in Holland’s resume says “Cap Inventiveness” and nothing in Dave’s says he’s any better than the last two coaches.

I have no problem with this.The problem I have is nothing about either says they can go where the NHL seems very obviously to be going.

You do know that Holland pioneered the back diving contracts to reduce overall cap hits right?