It’s Morning in Edmonton. Do You Trust it?

by Lowetide

We are here. The Edmonton Oilers hired Ken Holland as general manager, Dave Tippett as coach. Yesterday, Tippett not only embraced analytics, he spoke about it with passion, authority and conviction. He breathes scoring chance data, it’s right next to his Bible and giant container of Dapper Dan. He has a plan. So does Holland. It’s morning in Edmonton. Do you trust it?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: Analyzing the Oilers roster to see which players fit Dave Tippett’s ‘aggressive, fast team’ approach
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Dave Tippett’s coaching philosophy, how he relays information to his players and why information is king
  • Lowetide: What will Ken Holland see in Evan Bouchard?
  • Lowetide: Does Oilers’ signing of Joakim Nygard signal a measured approach to summer 2019?
  • Lowetide: Dave Tippett’s roster deployment in Arizona and what it might mean for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Why Ken Holland’s worst years in Detroit tell us the most about how he’ll fare in Edmonton
  • Jonathan Willis: Three offseason scenarios and how each one would affect the Oilers salary cap
  • Lowetide: Examining the Oilers’ goaltending options in free agency.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s Oilers could go the high octane procurement route but will need a driver
  • Lowetide: How much can Connor Brown help the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Dmitri Samorukov is off to the Memorial Cup and is the Oilers’ fastest rising prospect
  • Jonathan Willis: Craig MacTavish leaves the Oilers, signalling the first major front office change under Ken Holland
  • Lowetide: What kind of coach should Ken Holland hire for the Oilers?
  • Jonathan Willis: Every Oilers AHL prospect, rated by how close they are to the NHL
  • Jonathan Willis: A resurgent Andrej Sekera gives the Oilers much-needed defensive options
  • Lowetide: Is Joe Gambardella destined to become the Oilers’ next Fernando Pisani?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland steadfast that buck stops with him as new Oilers GM.
  • Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • Jonathan Willis: What does the arrival of Ken Holland mean for the Oilers coaching search?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.

OBSERVATIONS

Dave Tippett was introduced by Ken Holland as Edmonton’s 16th head coach. I would like to mention Ray Kinasewich, Bill Hunter, Brian Shaw, Clare Drake and Bep Guidolin, who coached the WHA Oilers. History is important, and that means all of it, not just the convenient stuff.

My Top 100 goes Saturday here at Lowetide, the combine is leaking some interesting information.

Mike Morreale reports via NHL.com that Spencer Knight will talk to 27 teams this week. Math suggests Edmonton would be one of them, wonder if they see him as the second round pick.

The Oilers value the NHL combine, four of their five selections (including sixth rounder Michael Kesselring) were at last year’s edition.

The “Matt Benning for Connor Brown” trade makes more sense to me after the Tippett avail.

Peter Chiarelli mostly kept the LH side of the blue (Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse), adding Andrej Sekera via free agency. He completely turned over the RH side, bringing in Adam Larsson, Kris Russell and Matt Benning. Will Ken Holland re-do RH side, too? He has Evan Bouchard, Joel Persson, Ethan Bear and others percolating.

Looking for bargoon’s on the UFA list that have a connection to Holland or Tippett is fun. Goalie Mike Smith has been mentioned by many, and used as a horror movie trailer on twitter for about 10 days now. Richard Panik or Thomas Vanek might be the tonic, Sam Gagner is already here.

Milan Lucic for Loui Eriksson has been discussed by Canucks management, according to Jason Gregor (here). That’s twice recently where Lucic to Van has made headlines (ML talked about returning to the docks earlier in the spring). Edmonton would be getting a better 5-on-5 scorer (10 even-strength goals a year ago) and someone who can help on the PK.

Tippett mentioned speed a few times yesterday, I wonder if that impacts Adam Larsson, Jujhar Khaira, Sam Gagner, Milan Lucic, Kyle Brodziak, Colby Cave and Ty Rattie?

The Oilers have signed winger Joe Gambardella to a two-year extension. I’m pleased to see it, he fits the Tippett ‘aggressive’ game plan perfectly.

50-MAN ROSTER (SANS RFA’S) (39)

Holland and Tippett have plenty of room and lots of work to do. RFA’s Tobias Rieder, Jujhar Khaira, Tyler Vesel, Colin Larkin, Jesse Puljujarvi, Ty Rattie, Robin Norell and Shane Starrett have to be signed or not signed, plus Ryan Mantha’s situation has to be addressed (I imagine this summer).

UFA’s Alex Chiasson, Kevin Gravel, Alex Petrovic, Anthony Stolarz, Brad Malone, Patrick Russell and Mitch Callahan are also in the conversation (or not) as it pertains to new contracts.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey kicks things off with his take on yesterday’s press conference. Kris Abbott from OddsShark will be by to talk about the NHL and NBA finals, and Jeff Paulus, FC Edmonton Director of Soccer, Head Coach, about the season so far and what’s ahead. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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Caribbeerman

Any pause for thought given to the possible return of Tobias Rieder? He does have an impressive record under Tippett. I wonder if the player can get past Nicholson’s comments?

Bohologo

I am old, so very old, but I seem to recall that Vanek previously signed a contract with the Oilers, back in what, 2007?

I’m not sure if he’s as good at hockeying anymore, but there’s some history at least.

Oil2Oilers

“Milan Lucic for Loui Eriksson has been discussed by Canucks management, according to Jason Gregor”

I think Brandon Sutter would be a better target for the Oilers, even if it means retaining some salary and adding some picks. That being said beggars can’t be choosers. It is time that the Oilers move on.

LadiesloveSmid

Are UFA ‘bargoons’ like regressing to the meat? Is this new LT lingo I haven’t picked up on

Ben Eager is a UFA bar goon, I suppose

N64

noun
Canadian slang
a bargain
Collins English Dictionary

defmn

The part I liked best about the presser yesterday was how many times Tippett mentioned “winning” and how all the rest of it was basically the details of how to get there.

When I listened to the question and answer about analytics I couldn’t help think he had been briefed to expect the question – it was probably planted by the team – and how important it was to answer it in a manner that would soothe the soul of the fan base. Just my impression based upon how many press conferences I have prepared politicians for. The answer was ready and pat and detailed – including the dman story. This doesn’t mean he was lying. I just think he was ready and prepped with the answer.

Of course, I felt the same way listening to the Holland presser when he was being queried about his last few year’s record etc. Somebody in the Oilers’ PR department is making certain the new hires know where the frustration points are ready to boil over.

This is a good thing. It means they are finally listening.

Todd Macallan

Joe G re-signed for 2 yrs, 2 way deal. No complaints!

Darth Tu

defmn:
The part I liked best about the presser yesterday was how many times Tippett mentioned “winning” and how all the rest of it was basically the details of how to get there.

When I listened to the question and answer about analytics I couldn’t help think he had been briefed to expect the question – it was probably planted by the team – and how important it was to answer it in a manner that would soothe the soul of the fan base. Just my impression based upon how many press conferences I have prepared politicians for. The answer was ready and pat and detailed – including the dman story. This doesn’t mean he was lying. I just think he was ready and prepped with the answer.

Of course, I felt the same way listening to the Holland presser when he was being queried about his last few year’s record etc. Somebody in the Oilers’ PR department is making certain the new hires know where the frustration points are ready to boil over.

This is a good thing. It means they are finally listening.

Great take on this. I have to admit I liked what I heard, I’m in the cautiously optimistic camp for this season. If the analytics plan is followed and they are using them (analytics) as a large part of the decision making process this should really help moving forward.

Rome can’t be built in a day, but this is a great chance to start laying stones.

texmex

My favorite part of the Tippett Presser was when he said it’s not just Connor and Leon, but the team has some other good pieces as well. I wish he singled out RNH specifically though. I know RNH is not self centered, but I wonder if he tires of always hearing about Connor and Leon while never getting acknowledged as a damn good hockey player?

N64

defmn: The answer was ready and pat and detailed – including the dman story. This doesn’t mean he was lying. I just think he was ready and prepped with the answer.

Prepped, but more like an answer he originally had prepped for coaching job interviews. We’ve all been at the receiving end of “Give an example of how you made a difficult decision.”

godot10

I like Benning for JT Miller (modulo stuff) better (than for Connor Brown).

OriginalPouzar

Todd Macallan:
Joe G re-signed for 2 yrs, 2 way deal. No complaints!

A little surprised that its a 2-way deal for both years (not that it matters vis-a-vis the cap) – thought Joe may have earned himself a one-way deal. Will be curious the structure, he could have a guaranteed min that pays him more than his AHL salary even if he doesn’t get any NHL time (which is unlikely).

He was a no-brainer re-sign and I’m glad that Holland/Gretzky got it done and out of the way nice and early. He may earn himself an every day 4th line role but, I think at worse, he can be a solid 12th/13th forward that can sit for some games (not so young that we worry about development) and can be inserted for energy and a responsible game.

OriginalPouzar

A Holland/Tippett press conference sure has a different vibe to it than a Nicholson/Chiarelli press conference, doesn’t it?

For the most part, they said the right things – now its time to go make it happen and make it work.

I believe that getting some better talent/speed/smarts in the bottom six will be a priority and that is great given that is likely affordable in our cap situation.

OriginalPouzar

“The “Matt Benning for Connor Brown” trade makes more sense to me after the Tippett avail.”

Given the express requirement to have more skilled depth – some scoring and “quickness” in the bottom six, you may be right.

Can it be Russell for Connor Brown?

OriginalPouzar

“Milan Lucic for Loui Eriksson has been discussed by Canucks management, according to Jason Gregor (here). That’s twice recently where Lucic to Van has made headlines (ML talked about returning to the docks earlier in the spring). Edmonton would be getting a better 5-on-5 scorer (10 even-strength goals a year ago) and someone who can help on the PK.”

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If this deal is out there as a one for one with nothing else, I think it has to happen. Of course, the 1-year less of term is meaningful and the lack of a NMC is material (although I do think Lucic would waive for the expansion draft so that he wouldn’t have to be protected).

Not adding any sweeteners is also material.

Also, I could foresee Louie E. actually having a positive effect on the ice. Sure, he may turn out to be useless 5 on 5 as he has been, however, I could see a bounce-back and a 20G season if he finds a home in the top 6. I don’t see a Lucic bounce-back as an Oiler at this point.

Jaxon

Lowetide,

“Tippett mentioned speed a few times yesterday, I wonder if that impacts Adam Larsson, Jujhar Khaira, Sam Gagner, Milan Lucic, Kyle Brodziak, Colby Cave and Ty Rattie?”

I feel like Khaira shouldn’t be on this list. I see him as a fast skater, and aggressive, and a player who is calm with the puck. He doesn’t belong in that group.

barry.moore23

Yes !! I trust it. I’m like Charlie Brown kicking the football ….. Go Oilers.

OriginalPouzar

“Holland and Tippett have plenty of room and lots of work to do. RFA’s Tobias Rieder, Jujhar Khaira, Tyler Vesel, Colin Larkin, Jesse Puljujarvi, Ty Rattie, Robin Norell and Shane Starrett have to be signed or not signed, plus Ryan Mantha’s situation has to be addressed (I imagine this summer).”

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Would definitely have Rieder back if he’d sign for around $1.25M to $1.5M but I think that ship has sailed.

Would expect Khaira to sign around $1.25M to $1.5M and maybe just a one year deal. I expect a more consistent year from Khaira if he can be healthy – the injuries really hurt him last year.

Puljujarvi – similar contract to Khaira. The key here is Tippett and usage – The coach talked about getting the most out of players and putting them in a position to succeed – well, with Jesse, I think that is all about providing consistency – consistency of linemates and of minutes. I’m not sure where in the top 9 he’ll slot but slot him with consistent linemates and 12-14 5 on 5 minutes per game (maybe some PP2) and roll him, night in and night out. I see him pop.

Starrett is a no-brainer re-sign – A Joe G. re-up.

Rattie I would expect is not qualified.

I’d be shocked to see Norell or Larkin qualified.

I could see them bringing Vesel back but not likely.

OriginalPouzar

“UFA’s Alex Chiasson, Kevin Gravel, Alex Petrovic, Anthony Stolarz, Brad Malone, Patrick Russell and Mitch Callahan are also in the conversation (or not) as it pertains to new contracts.”

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I think Callahan and Stolarz are gone for sure.

Petrovic is almost assuredly gone.

P. Russell should be a re-sign similar to Joe G. unless he wants to see what else is out there.

I would love Gravel back but, given the depth of potential 3rd pairing options and the need see each of Jones, Lagesson and Bear this year before they lose their waiver exemptions, I don’t see a re-sign. Not to mention, if you were Gravel, would you re-sign after being healthy scratched for 2 months?

I think they might move on from Malone simply because of age. He has been very important to the Condors but I think they may try and find a bit of a younger Malone. I’d be OK if they brought him back given how important he has been to that team. He’s such a good AHL player but it simply doesn’t translate to the NHL – he’s behind Joe G., Currie, P. Russell, Cave, etc. on the depth chart for the NHL.

Dustylegnd

Just read Daniel Nugent-Bowman’s article on tippet in the Athletic, doesn’t look good for D men who’s calling card is the ability to defend, this guys loves puck movers and puck possessors

You just cant have 8 mill plus tied up in 2 D men like Russel and Larsson…..I am encouraged that Tippet really gets the new NHL since he seems to have helped usher it in

who

Jaxon:
Lowetide,

“Tippett mentioned speed a few times yesterday, I wonder if that impacts Adam Larsson, Jujhar Khaira, Sam Gagner, Milan Lucic, Kyle Brodziak, Colby Cave and Ty Rattie?”

I feel like Khaira shouldn’t be on this list. I see him as a fast skater, and aggressive, and a player who is calm with the puck. He doesn’t belong in that group.

Amen brother.

Woodguy v2.0

Dave Tippett was Eriksson’s coach for the first 3 years of his career.

That might matter in regards to EDM’s thought process.

Kinger_Oil.redux

– I don’t really care what they said, or how they looked, or how they talked.

– Our GM didn’t make the playoffs the last 3 years, and lost 1st round the two before, and the coach didn’t make the playoffs for 5 years. We are buying into their reputation, and hope that super-cedes their last 5 years of work

– I’m kinda sorta able to maybe give benefit of doubt and cover my eyes re:last 5 year track records: rebuilds, not enough fire-power, cap constraints blah blah

– Saying not winning is not acceptable, when all they have done for 10 years collectively is a total of 2 playoff appearances combined: winning must not mean what I think winning is

– These guys have a free pass for a year: so get sh$t done (or let it bleed out a year and be patient), make the playoffs this year or don’t, but just go about to setting us up to win for many years hence.

– Hope that in the last 5 years of each of their tenures: the teachable moments they learned from not winning will translate into experiences they can apply to winning here. We once had a GM who “knew a thing or two about winning”, and he didn’t do any winning

– I don’t expect a lot from these press-conferences: and as Oiler fans we have heard it all, seen it all from new coach/GM/Management, who has it figured out and will be better than the last group. We are pros at this ritual, the tracks have been played far too often: We’ll see…

GOILERS

Ribs

We are here. The Edmonton Oilers hired Ken Holland as general manager, Dave Tippett as coach. Yesterday, Tippett not only embraced analytics, he spoke about it with passion, authority and conviction. He breathes scoring chance data, it’s right next to his Bible and giant container of Dapper Dan. He has a plan. So does Holland. It’s morning in Edmonton. Do you trust it?

Not really. But what can ya do.

I thought Tippett’s remarks about analytics sounded eerily similar to McLellan’s in a “Yeah, I use them all of the time *eyeroll*” kind of way. “I just call them something different!”.

It’s the Ol’ Timey Coach way of saying “Yeah, yeah, whatever.” I found his anecdote pretty humorous as well. “Remember that one time I used analytics to get rid of a guy?” Haha.

The team has yet to embrace analytics as a whole, so I don’t think it matters much how the coach uses them at this current time.

Ty Rattie? Doesn’t stand a chance with this coach. He needs a guy that caters to players strengths. Tippett by all means sounds like a structure/team play first kind of coach. A guy like Vigneault could make good use of Rattie. Good luck to him.

Brantford Boy

texmex,

Good point… I’ve been thinking the exact same thing… individual defenseman have also been singled out… I’ve been waiting to hear one mention of Nuge, he deserves the acknowledgment.

YKOil

OriginalPouzar:
“Milan Lucic for Loui Eriksson has been discussed by Canucks management, according to Jason Gregor (here). That’s twice recently where Lucic to Van has made headlines (ML talked about returning to the docks earlier in the spring). Edmonton would be getting a better 5-on-5 scorer (10 even-strength goals a year ago) and someone who can help on the PK.”

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If this deal is out there as a one for one with nothing else, I think it has to happen. Of course, the 1-year less of term is meaningful and the lack of a NMC is material (although I do think Lucic would waive for the expansion draft so that he wouldn’t have to be protected).

Not adding any sweeteners is also material.

Also, I could foresee Louie E. actually having a positive effect on the ice. Sure, he may turn out to be useless 5 on 5 as he has been, however, I could see a bounce-back and a 20G season if he finds a home in the top 6.I don’t see a Lucic bounce-back as an Oiler at this point.

If the deal happens I see it going down this way:

Lucic, 2019 EDM 4th or 6th or ‘c’ level prospect, 2022 EDM 2nd
FOR
Eriksson

That 4th year will have to cost something and a deferred 2nd rounder is my guess.

Paulie

+1. Erikkson could score 10-15 goals and kill penalties. Lucic’s rate of decline suggests he might not get 15 points, but he could take unnecessary penalties and then call out the PKers for not doing a better job killing them off.

Hard to believe Van wouldn’t require a sweetener given the extra year on Lucic’s contract. Maybe we could toss in a 7th round draft choice.

OriginalPouzar:
“Milan Lucic for Loui Eriksson has been discussed by Canucks management, according to Jason Gregor (here). That’s twice recently where Lucic to Van has made headlines (ML talked about returning to the docks earlier in the spring). Edmonton would be getting a better 5-on-5 scorer (10 even-strength goals a year ago) and someone who can help on the PK.”

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If this deal is out there as a one for one with nothing else, I think it has to happen. Of course, the 1-year less of term is meaningful and the lack of a NMC is material (although I do think Lucic would waive for the expansion draft so that he wouldn’t have to be protected).

Not adding any sweeteners is also material.

Also, I could foresee Louie E. actually having a positive effect on the ice. Sure, he may turn out to be useless 5 on 5 as he has been, however, I could see a bounce-back and a 20G season if he finds a home in the top 6.I don’t see a Lucic bounce-back as an Oiler at this point.

N64

Ribs: I thought Tippett’s remarks about analytics sounded eerily similar to McLellan’s in a “Yeah, I use them all of the time *eyeroll*” kind of way. “I just call them something different!”.

I don’t recall TMc talking about demoting and promoting D triggered by an analytics review.

bwar

Should be noted that Vanek lived and played in Lacombe as a teenager. I believe he still has a good relationship with a few people in the area so maybe that makes Edmonton more enticing for Vanek.

N64

Brantford Boy:
texmex,

Good point… I’ve been thinking the exact same thing… individual defenseman have also been singled out… I’ve been waiting to hear one mention of Nuge, he deserves the acknowledgment.

Dustin Neilson: “In the scrum, after the presser, he said the Oilers young core was the most alluring thing about joining the franchise. In addition to McDavid and Draisaitl, he also referenced Nugent-Hopkins and Nurse as key pieces of the core. He coached Nuge at the World Cup of Hockey.”

Durag

“Matt Benning for Connor Brown” trade

Am I alone in thinking I would rather trade Larsson for a more established forward than trade Benning for an end of roster type? I see Petry 2.0 in Benning and I think Larsson is probably close to peak trade value. Well…not PEAK trade value, because we know his is ludicrously high…

Also I am very on board with Lucic for Eriksson, even though 4 of the 7 goals Lucic will score next year will come against the Oilers.

McNuge93

YKOil: If the deal happens I see it going down this way:

Lucic, 2019 EDM 4th or 6th or ‘c’ level prospect, 2022 EDM 2nd
FOR
Eriksson

That 4th year will have to cost something and a deferred 2nd rounder is my guess.

how about each team retains $1 million in salary or so. A wash for first three years but in the fourth year Lucic only costs Vancouver 5 mil and the Oilers $1 mil.

ArmchairGM

Dustylegnd:
Just read Daniel Nugent-Bowman’s article on tippet in the Athletic, doesn’t look good for D men who’s calling card is the ability to defend, this guys loves puck movers and puck possessors

You just cant have 8 mill plus tied up in 2 D men like Russel and Larsson…..I am encouraged that Tippet really gets the new NHL since he seems to have helped usher it in

Yesterday I saw a suggestion on CapFriendly for trading Larsson to the Leafs for Kapanen + a 1st pick, then signing Stralman as a 1-year stopgap. Seemed far fetched at the time… oh, how I long for yesterday!

ArmchairGM

bwar:
Should be noted that Vanek lived and played in Lacombe as a teenager.I believe he still has a good relationship with a few people in the area so maybe that makes Edmonton more enticing for Vanek.

What makes Vanek enticing to Edmonton though?

incubo_nero

YKOil,

Khaira is a B.C. local, right?
Would Lucic and the RFA rights of Khaira for Erkissson be odious?
Any trade of Lucic has to include a little pain. Not sure that draft picks do the trick.

N64

Cullen has his Oil off season plan up. Line-up he picked should be familiar in these parts. The 23 would include:

Eriksson (for Lucic)
Brown (for Benning)
Nyguard

Caleb Jones

Mike Smith

Durag

ArmchairGM: What makes Vanek enticing to Edmonton though?

Make puck go in net

Bag of Pucks

Nit64: I don’t recall TMc talking about demoting and promoting D triggered by an analytics review.

Agree. I found MacLellan to be very dismissive of analytics, even going so far as to troll the analytics community on occassion.

You can get away with that type of arrogance when you’re winning. Seems very Don Cherryish when you’re losing.

Clarkenstein

Do I trust it? The meter was at “0” because Katz mostly. With Holland and Tippett it might be at “1.5”. Moving the needle any higher will have to be earned!!

Munny

Jaxon: I feel like Khaira shouldn’t be on this list. I see him as a fast skater, and aggressive, and a player who is calm with the puck. He doesn’t belong in that group

I completely agree.

Munny

defmn: The answer was ready and pat and detailed – including the dman story.

He’s told that story before. Pretty sure LT has used the Dman quote on this blog in the past.

who

YKOil: If the deal happens I see it going down this way:

Lucic, 2019 EDM 4th or 6th or ‘c’ level prospect, 2022 EDM 2nd
FOR
Eriksson

That 4th year will have to cost something and a deferred 2nd rounder is my guess.

I disagree.
I think you could make the arguement that Lucic is a more valuable player to Vancouver right now, than Erickson is.
I think Lucic is just as fast as Erickson, obviously much more physical, and provides that bit of a nuclear deterrent that Vancouver currently lacks.
Erickson’s puck skills and agility are superior.
But Vancouver probably values what Lucic brings more than Edmonton does at this point.
I wouldn’t make the trade if Edmonton has to add a significant sweetener like a 2nd rounder.

who

Durag: Am I alone in thinking I would rather trade Larsson for a more established forward than trade Benning for an end of roster type? I see Petry 2.0 in Benning and I think Larsson is probably close to peak trade value. Well…not PEAK trade value, because we know his is ludicrously high…

Also I am very on board with Lucic for Eriksson, even though 4 of the 7 goals Lucic will score next year will come against the Oilers.

Benning isn’t close to Petry 2.0.
Not as big, doesn’t skate nearly as well. Really huge jump to go from a Benning to a Petry. Or to go from a Benning to a Larsson, for that matter.

Andy Dufresne

I wasn’t overly impressed with Tippetts (and certainly not Hollands) response to the Analytics question. His answer seemed very rudimentary. He spoke about tracking scoring chances and then gave a lame anecdotal story of a dman who defended alot vs a dman who moved the puck. Whoopdy Doo. That dman story has been floating around the interwebs for 15 years now. Nothing he said projected a sound grasp of Advanced Analytics for me.

Where was the follow up question regarding an Analytics Department or Manager of Analytics?

DocFan

Dumb Question

If a player signs a 2 way deal, is Waivers still an issue? I.e. does the same set of rules apply to a player who signs a one way deal?

Asking for a friend….

Ribs

Bag of Pucks: Agree. I found MacLellan to be very dismissive of analytics, even going so far as to troll the analytics community on occassion.

You can get away with that type of arrogance when you’re winning. Seems very Don Cherryish when you’re losing.

McLellan used analytics (even if he won’t admit it). He just had Ol’ Timey names for them. Remember “Volume Shooting”? haha

Andy Dufresne

Bob Stauffer on Monday or Tuesdays show expressed an opinion that only 4 of last years starting 6 dmen would be on the roster on opening day 2019.

Ive been busy lately, so not sure if others have already mentioned / discussed this comment?

Durag

Andy Dufresne,

Don’t analytics models tend to be proprietary? He might be intentionally vague because he doesn’t want to give away what he’s doing.

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