It’s Morning in Edmonton. Do You Trust it?

We are here. The Edmonton Oilers hired Ken Holland as general manager, Dave Tippett as coach. Yesterday, Tippett not only embraced analytics, he spoke about it with passion, authority and conviction. He breathes scoring chance data, it’s right next to his Bible and giant container of Dapper Dan. He has a plan. So does Holland. It’s morning in Edmonton. Do you trust it?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: Analyzing the Oilers roster to see which players fit Dave Tippett’s ‘aggressive, fast team’ approach
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Dave Tippett’s coaching philosophy, how he relays information to his players and why information is king
  • Lowetide: What will Ken Holland see in Evan Bouchard?
  • Lowetide: Does Oilers’ signing of Joakim Nygard signal a measured approach to summer 2019?
  • Lowetide: Dave Tippett’s roster deployment in Arizona and what it might mean for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Why Ken Holland’s worst years in Detroit tell us the most about how he’ll fare in Edmonton
  • Jonathan Willis: Three offseason scenarios and how each one would affect the Oilers salary cap
  • Lowetide: Examining the Oilers’ goaltending options in free agency.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s Oilers could go the high octane procurement route but will need a driver
  • Lowetide: How much can Connor Brown help the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Dmitri Samorukov is off to the Memorial Cup and is the Oilers’ fastest rising prospect
  • Jonathan Willis: Craig MacTavish leaves the Oilers, signalling the first major front office change under Ken Holland
  • Lowetide: What kind of coach should Ken Holland hire for the Oilers?
  • Jonathan Willis: Every Oilers AHL prospect, rated by how close they are to the NHL
  • Jonathan Willis: A resurgent Andrej Sekera gives the Oilers much-needed defensive options
  • Lowetide: Is Joe Gambardella destined to become the Oilers’ next Fernando Pisani?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland steadfast that buck stops with him as new Oilers GM.
  • Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • Jonathan Willis: What does the arrival of Ken Holland mean for the Oilers coaching search?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.

OBSERVATIONS

Dave Tippett was introduced by Ken Holland as Edmonton’s 16th head coach. I would like to mention Ray Kinasewich, Bill Hunter, Brian Shaw, Clare Drake and Bep Guidolin, who coached the WHA Oilers. History is important, and that means all of it, not just the convenient stuff.

My Top 100 goes Saturday here at Lowetide, the combine is leaking some interesting information.

Mike Morreale reports via NHL.com that Spencer Knight will talk to 27 teams this week. Math suggests Edmonton would be one of them, wonder if they see him as the second round pick.

The Oilers value the NHL combine, four of their five selections (including sixth rounder Michael Kesselring) were at last year’s edition.

The “Matt Benning for Connor Brown” trade makes more sense to me after the Tippett avail.

Peter Chiarelli mostly kept the LH side of the blue (Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse), adding Andrej Sekera via free agency. He completely turned over the RH side, bringing in Adam Larsson, Kris Russell and Matt Benning. Will Ken Holland re-do RH side, too? He has Evan Bouchard, Joel Persson, Ethan Bear and others percolating.

Looking for bargoon’s on the UFA list that have a connection to Holland or Tippett is fun. Goalie Mike Smith has been mentioned by many, and used as a horror movie trailer on twitter for about 10 days now. Richard Panik or Thomas Vanek might be the tonic, Sam Gagner is already here.

Milan Lucic for Loui Eriksson has been discussed by Canucks management, according to Jason Gregor (here). That’s twice recently where Lucic to Van has made headlines (ML talked about returning to the docks earlier in the spring). Edmonton would be getting a better 5-on-5 scorer (10 even-strength goals a year ago) and someone who can help on the PK.

Tippett mentioned speed a few times yesterday, I wonder if that impacts Adam Larsson, Jujhar Khaira, Sam Gagner, Milan Lucic, Kyle Brodziak, Colby Cave and Ty Rattie?

The Oilers have signed winger Joe Gambardella to a two-year extension. I’m pleased to see it, he fits the Tippett ‘aggressive’ game plan perfectly.

50-MAN ROSTER (SANS RFA’S) (39)

Holland and Tippett have plenty of room and lots of work to do. RFA’s Tobias Rieder, Jujhar Khaira, Tyler Vesel, Colin Larkin, Jesse Puljujarvi, Ty Rattie, Robin Norell and Shane Starrett have to be signed or not signed, plus Ryan Mantha’s situation has to be addressed (I imagine this summer).

UFA’s Alex Chiasson, Kevin Gravel, Alex Petrovic, Anthony Stolarz, Brad Malone, Patrick Russell and Mitch Callahan are also in the conversation (or not) as it pertains to new contracts.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey kicks things off with his take on yesterday’s press conference. Kris Abbott from OddsShark will be by to talk about the NHL and NBA finals, and Jeff Paulus, FC Edmonton Director of Soccer, Head Coach, about the season so far and what’s ahead. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic:Analyzing the Oilers roster to see which players fit Dave Tippett’s ‘aggressive, fast team’ approach

    https://theathletic.com/998959/2019/05/29/lowetide-analyzing-the-oilers-roster-to-see-which-players-fit-dave-tippetts-aggressive-fast-team-approach/

  2. Caribbeerman says:

    Any pause for thought given to the possible return of Tobias Rieder? He does have an impressive record under Tippett. I wonder if the player can get past Nicholson’s comments?

  3. Oil2Oilers says:

    “Milan Lucic for Loui Eriksson has been discussed by Canucks management, according to Jason Gregor”

    I think Brandon Sutter would be a better target for the Oilers, even if it means retaining some salary and adding some picks. That being said beggars can’t be choosers. It is time that the Oilers move on.

  4. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Are UFA ‘bargoons’ like regressing to the meat? Is this new LT lingo I haven’t picked up on

    Ben Eager is a UFA bar goon, I suppose

  5. Nit64 says:

    noun
    Canadian slang
    a bargain
    Collins English Dictionary

  6. defmn says:

    The part I liked best about the presser yesterday was how many times Tippett mentioned “winning” and how all the rest of it was basically the details of how to get there.

    When I listened to the question and answer about analytics I couldn’t help think he had been briefed to expect the question – it was probably planted by the team – and how important it was to answer it in a manner that would soothe the soul of the fan base. Just my impression based upon how many press conferences I have prepared politicians for. The answer was ready and pat and detailed – including the dman story. This doesn’t mean he was lying. I just think he was ready and prepped with the answer.

    Of course, I felt the same way listening to the Holland presser when he was being queried about his last few year’s record etc. Somebody in the Oilers’ PR department is making certain the new hires know where the frustration points are ready to boil over.

    This is a good thing. It means they are finally listening.

  7. Todd Macallan says:

    Joe G re-signed for 2 yrs, 2 way deal. No complaints!

  8. Darth Tu says:

    defmn:
    The part I liked best about the presser yesterday was how many times Tippett mentioned “winning” and how all the rest of it was basically the details of how to get there.

    When I listened to the question and answer about analytics I couldn’t help think he had been briefed to expect the question – it was probably planted by the team – and how important it was to answer it in a manner that would soothe the soul of the fan base. Just my impression based upon how many press conferences I have prepared politicians for. The answer was ready and pat and detailed – including the dman story. This doesn’t mean he was lying. I just think he was ready and prepped with the answer.

    Of course, I felt the same way listening to the Holland presser when he was being queried about his last few year’s record etc. Somebody in the Oilers’ PR department is making certain the new hires know where the frustration points are ready to boil over.

    This is a good thing. It means they are finally listening.

    Great take on this. I have to admit I liked what I heard, I’m in the cautiously optimistic camp for this season. If the analytics plan is followed and they are using them (analytics) as a large part of the decision making process this should really help moving forward.

    Rome can’t be built in a day, but this is a great chance to start laying stones.

  9. texmex says:

    My favorite part of the Tippett Presser was when he said it’s not just Connor and Leon, but the team has some other good pieces as well. I wish he singled out RNH specifically though. I know RNH is not self centered, but I wonder if he tires of always hearing about Connor and Leon while never getting acknowledged as a damn good hockey player?

  10. Nit64 says:

    defmn: The answer was ready and pat and detailed – including the dman story. This doesn’t mean he was lying. I just think he was ready and prepped with the answer.

    Prepped, but more like an answer he originally had prepped for coaching job interviews. We’ve all been at the receiving end of “Give an example of how you made a difficult decision.”

  11. godot10 says:

    I like Benning for JT Miller (modulo stuff) better (than for Connor Brown).

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    Todd Macallan:
    Joe G re-signed for 2 yrs, 2 way deal. No complaints!

    A little surprised that its a 2-way deal for both years (not that it matters vis-a-vis the cap) – thought Joe may have earned himself a one-way deal. Will be curious the structure, he could have a guaranteed min that pays him more than his AHL salary even if he doesn’t get any NHL time (which is unlikely).

    He was a no-brainer re-sign and I’m glad that Holland/Gretzky got it done and out of the way nice and early. He may earn himself an every day 4th line role but, I think at worse, he can be a solid 12th/13th forward that can sit for some games (not so young that we worry about development) and can be inserted for energy and a responsible game.

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    A Holland/Tippett press conference sure has a different vibe to it than a Nicholson/Chiarelli press conference, doesn’t it?

    For the most part, they said the right things – now its time to go make it happen and make it work.

    I believe that getting some better talent/speed/smarts in the bottom six will be a priority and that is great given that is likely affordable in our cap situation.

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    “The “Matt Benning for Connor Brown” trade makes more sense to me after the Tippett avail.”

    Given the express requirement to have more skilled depth – some scoring and “quickness” in the bottom six, you may be right.

    Can it be Russell for Connor Brown?

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    “Milan Lucic for Loui Eriksson has been discussed by Canucks management, according to Jason Gregor (here). That’s twice recently where Lucic to Van has made headlines (ML talked about returning to the docks earlier in the spring). Edmonton would be getting a better 5-on-5 scorer (10 even-strength goals a year ago) and someone who can help on the PK.”

    —————————-

    If this deal is out there as a one for one with nothing else, I think it has to happen. Of course, the 1-year less of term is meaningful and the lack of a NMC is material (although I do think Lucic would waive for the expansion draft so that he wouldn’t have to be protected).

    Not adding any sweeteners is also material.

    Also, I could foresee Louie E. actually having a positive effect on the ice. Sure, he may turn out to be useless 5 on 5 as he has been, however, I could see a bounce-back and a 20G season if he finds a home in the top 6. I don’t see a Lucic bounce-back as an Oiler at this point.

  16. Jaxon says:

    Lowetide,

    “Tippett mentioned speed a few times yesterday, I wonder if that impacts Adam Larsson, Jujhar Khaira, Sam Gagner, Milan Lucic, Kyle Brodziak, Colby Cave and Ty Rattie?”

    I feel like Khaira shouldn’t be on this list. I see him as a fast skater, and aggressive, and a player who is calm with the puck. He doesn’t belong in that group.

  17. barry.moore23 says:

    Yes !! I trust it. I’m like Charlie Brown kicking the football ….. Go Oilers.

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    “Holland and Tippett have plenty of room and lots of work to do. RFA’s Tobias Rieder, Jujhar Khaira, Tyler Vesel, Colin Larkin, Jesse Puljujarvi, Ty Rattie, Robin Norell and Shane Starrett have to be signed or not signed, plus Ryan Mantha’s situation has to be addressed (I imagine this summer).”

    —————————————–

    Would definitely have Rieder back if he’d sign for around $1.25M to $1.5M but I think that ship has sailed.

    Would expect Khaira to sign around $1.25M to $1.5M and maybe just a one year deal. I expect a more consistent year from Khaira if he can be healthy – the injuries really hurt him last year.

    Puljujarvi – similar contract to Khaira. The key here is Tippett and usage – The coach talked about getting the most out of players and putting them in a position to succeed – well, with Jesse, I think that is all about providing consistency – consistency of linemates and of minutes. I’m not sure where in the top 9 he’ll slot but slot him with consistent linemates and 12-14 5 on 5 minutes per game (maybe some PP2) and roll him, night in and night out. I see him pop.

    Starrett is a no-brainer re-sign – A Joe G. re-up.

    Rattie I would expect is not qualified.

    I’d be shocked to see Norell or Larkin qualified.

    I could see them bringing Vesel back but not likely.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    “UFA’s Alex Chiasson, Kevin Gravel, Alex Petrovic, Anthony Stolarz, Brad Malone, Patrick Russell and Mitch Callahan are also in the conversation (or not) as it pertains to new contracts.”

    ————————————-

    I think Callahan and Stolarz are gone for sure.

    Petrovic is almost assuredly gone.

    P. Russell should be a re-sign similar to Joe G. unless he wants to see what else is out there.

    I would love Gravel back but, given the depth of potential 3rd pairing options and the need see each of Jones, Lagesson and Bear this year before they lose their waiver exemptions, I don’t see a re-sign. Not to mention, if you were Gravel, would you re-sign after being healthy scratched for 2 months?

    I think they might move on from Malone simply because of age. He has been very important to the Condors but I think they may try and find a bit of a younger Malone. I’d be OK if they brought him back given how important he has been to that team. He’s such a good AHL player but it simply doesn’t translate to the NHL – he’s behind Joe G., Currie, P. Russell, Cave, etc. on the depth chart for the NHL.

  20. Dustylegnd says:

    Just read Daniel Nugent-Bowman’s article on tippet in the Athletic, doesn’t look good for D men who’s calling card is the ability to defend, this guys loves puck movers and puck possessors

    You just cant have 8 mill plus tied up in 2 D men like Russel and Larsson…..I am encouraged that Tippet really gets the new NHL since he seems to have helped usher it in

  21. who says:

    Jaxon:
    Lowetide,

    “Tippett mentioned speed a few times yesterday, I wonder if that impacts Adam Larsson, Jujhar Khaira, Sam Gagner, Milan Lucic, Kyle Brodziak, Colby Cave and Ty Rattie?”

    I feel like Khaira shouldn’t be on this list. I see him as a fast skater, and aggressive, and a player who is calm with the puck. He doesn’t belong in that group.

    Amen brother.

  22. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dave Tippett was Eriksson’s coach for the first 3 years of his career.

    That might matter in regards to EDM’s thought process.

  23. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I don’t really care what they said, or how they looked, or how they talked.

    – Our GM didn’t make the playoffs the last 3 years, and lost 1st round the two before, and the coach didn’t make the playoffs for 5 years. We are buying into their reputation, and hope that super-cedes their last 5 years of work

    – I’m kinda sorta able to maybe give benefit of doubt and cover my eyes re:last 5 year track records: rebuilds, not enough fire-power, cap constraints blah blah

    – Saying not winning is not acceptable, when all they have done for 10 years collectively is a total of 2 playoff appearances combined: winning must not mean what I think winning is

    – These guys have a free pass for a year: so get sh$t done (or let it bleed out a year and be patient), make the playoffs this year or don’t, but just go about to setting us up to win for many years hence.

    – Hope that in the last 5 years of each of their tenures: the teachable moments they learned from not winning will translate into experiences they can apply to winning here. We once had a GM who “knew a thing or two about winning”, and he didn’t do any winning

    – I don’t expect a lot from these press-conferences: and as Oiler fans we have heard it all, seen it all from new coach/GM/Management, who has it figured out and will be better than the last group. We are pros at this ritual, the tracks have been played far too often: We’ll see…

    GOILERS

  24. Ribs says:

    We are here. The Edmonton Oilers hired Ken Holland as general manager, Dave Tippett as coach. Yesterday, Tippett not only embraced analytics, he spoke about it with passion, authority and conviction. He breathes scoring chance data, it’s right next to his Bible and giant container of Dapper Dan. He has a plan. So does Holland. It’s morning in Edmonton. Do you trust it?

    Not really. But what can ya do.

    I thought Tippett’s remarks about analytics sounded eerily similar to McLellan’s in a “Yeah, I use them all of the time *eyeroll*” kind of way. “I just call them something different!”.

    It’s the Ol’ Timey Coach way of saying “Yeah, yeah, whatever.” I found his anecdote pretty humorous as well. “Remember that one time I used analytics to get rid of a guy?” Haha.

    The team has yet to embrace analytics as a whole, so I don’t think it matters much how the coach uses them at this current time.

    Ty Rattie? Doesn’t stand a chance with this coach. He needs a guy that caters to players strengths. Tippett by all means sounds like a structure/team play first kind of coach. A guy like Vigneault could make good use of Rattie. Good luck to him.

  25. Brantford Boy says:

    texmex,

    Good point… I’ve been thinking the exact same thing… individual defenseman have also been singled out… I’ve been waiting to hear one mention of Nuge, he deserves the acknowledgment.

  26. YKOil says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    “Milan Lucic for Loui Eriksson has been discussed by Canucks management, according to Jason Gregor (here). That’s twice recently where Lucic to Van has made headlines (ML talked about returning to the docks earlier in the spring). Edmonton would be getting a better 5-on-5 scorer (10 even-strength goals a year ago) and someone who can help on the PK.”

    —————————-

    If this deal is out there as a one for one with nothing else, I think it has to happen. Of course, the 1-year less of term is meaningful and the lack of a NMC is material (although I do think Lucic would waive for the expansion draft so that he wouldn’t have to be protected).

    Not adding any sweeteners is also material.

    Also, I could foresee Louie E. actually having a positive effect on the ice. Sure, he may turn out to be useless 5 on 5 as he has been, however, I could see a bounce-back and a 20G season if he finds a home in the top 6.I don’t see a Lucic bounce-back as an Oiler at this point.

    If the deal happens I see it going down this way:

    Lucic, 2019 EDM 4th or 6th or ‘c’ level prospect, 2022 EDM 2nd
    FOR
    Eriksson

    That 4th year will have to cost something and a deferred 2nd rounder is my guess.

  27. Paulie says:

    +1. Erikkson could score 10-15 goals and kill penalties. Lucic’s rate of decline suggests he might not get 15 points, but he could take unnecessary penalties and then call out the PKers for not doing a better job killing them off.

    Hard to believe Van wouldn’t require a sweetener given the extra year on Lucic’s contract. Maybe we could toss in a 7th round draft choice.

    OriginalPouzar:
    “Milan Lucic for Loui Eriksson has been discussed by Canucks management, according to Jason Gregor (here). That’s twice recently where Lucic to Van has made headlines (ML talked about returning to the docks earlier in the spring). Edmonton would be getting a better 5-on-5 scorer (10 even-strength goals a year ago) and someone who can help on the PK.”

    —————————-

    If this deal is out there as a one for one with nothing else, I think it has to happen. Of course, the 1-year less of term is meaningful and the lack of a NMC is material (although I do think Lucic would waive for the expansion draft so that he wouldn’t have to be protected).

    Not adding any sweeteners is also material.

    Also, I could foresee Louie E. actually having a positive effect on the ice. Sure, he may turn out to be useless 5 on 5 as he has been, however, I could see a bounce-back and a 20G season if he finds a home in the top 6.I don’t see a Lucic bounce-back as an Oiler at this point.

  28. Nit64 says:

    Ribs: I thought Tippett’s remarks about analytics sounded eerily similar to McLellan’s in a “Yeah, I use them all of the time *eyeroll*” kind of way. “I just call them something different!”.

    I don’t recall TMc talking about demoting and promoting D triggered by an analytics review.

  29. bwar says:

    Should be noted that Vanek lived and played in Lacombe as a teenager. I believe he still has a good relationship with a few people in the area so maybe that makes Edmonton more enticing for Vanek.

  30. Nit64 says:

    Brantford Boy:
    texmex,

    Good point… I’ve been thinking the exact same thing… individual defenseman have also been singled out… I’ve been waiting to hear one mention of Nuge, he deserves the acknowledgment.

    Dustin Neilson: “In the scrum, after the presser, he said the Oilers young core was the most alluring thing about joining the franchise. In addition to McDavid and Draisaitl, he also referenced Nugent-Hopkins and Nurse as key pieces of the core. He coached Nuge at the World Cup of Hockey.”

  31. Durag says:

    “Matt Benning for Connor Brown” trade

    Am I alone in thinking I would rather trade Larsson for a more established forward than trade Benning for an end of roster type? I see Petry 2.0 in Benning and I think Larsson is probably close to peak trade value. Well…not PEAK trade value, because we know his is ludicrously high…

    Also I am very on board with Lucic for Eriksson, even though 4 of the 7 goals Lucic will score next year will come against the Oilers.

  32. McNuge93 says:

    YKOil: If the deal happens I see it going down this way:

    Lucic, 2019 EDM 4th or 6th or ‘c’ level prospect, 2022 EDM 2nd
    FOR
    Eriksson

    That 4th year will have to cost something and a deferred 2nd rounder is my guess.

    how about each team retains $1 million in salary or so. A wash for first three years but in the fourth year Lucic only costs Vancouver 5 mil and the Oilers $1 mil.

  33. ArmchairGM says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Just read Daniel Nugent-Bowman’s article on tippet in the Athletic, doesn’t look good for D men who’s calling card is the ability to defend, this guys loves puck movers and puck possessors

    You just cant have 8 mill plus tied up in 2 D men like Russel and Larsson…..I am encouraged that Tippet really gets the new NHL since he seems to have helped usher it in

    Yesterday I saw a suggestion on CapFriendly for trading Larsson to the Leafs for Kapanen + a 1st pick, then signing Stralman as a 1-year stopgap. Seemed far fetched at the time… oh, how I long for yesterday!

  34. ArmchairGM says:

    bwar:
    Should be noted that Vanek lived and played in Lacombe as a teenager.I believe he still has a good relationship with a few people in the area so maybe that makes Edmonton more enticing for Vanek.

    What makes Vanek enticing to Edmonton though?

  35. incubo_nero says:

    YKOil,

    Khaira is a B.C. local, right?
    Would Lucic and the RFA rights of Khaira for Erkissson be odious?
    Any trade of Lucic has to include a little pain. Not sure that draft picks do the trick.

  36. Nit64 says:

    Cullen has his Oil off season plan up. Line-up he picked should be familiar in these parts. The 23 would include:

    Eriksson (for Lucic)
    Brown (for Benning)
    Nyguard

    Caleb Jones

    Mike Smith

  37. Durag says:

    ArmchairGM: What makes Vanek enticing to Edmonton though?

    Make puck go in net

  38. Bag of Pucks says:

    Nit64: I don’t recall TMc talking about demoting and promoting D triggered by an analytics review.

    Agree. I found MacLellan to be very dismissive of analytics, even going so far as to troll the analytics community on occassion.

    You can get away with that type of arrogance when you’re winning. Seems very Don Cherryish when you’re losing.

  39. Clarkenstein says:

    Do I trust it? The meter was at “0” because Katz mostly. With Holland and Tippett it might be at “1.5”. Moving the needle any higher will have to be earned!!

  40. Munny says:

    Jaxon: I feel like Khaira shouldn’t be on this list. I see him as a fast skater, and aggressive, and a player who is calm with the puck. He doesn’t belong in that group

    I completely agree.

  41. Munny says:

    defmn: The answer was ready and pat and detailed – including the dman story.

    He’s told that story before. Pretty sure LT has used the Dman quote on this blog in the past.

  42. who says:

    YKOil: If the deal happens I see it going down this way:

    Lucic, 2019 EDM 4th or 6th or ‘c’ level prospect, 2022 EDM 2nd
    FOR
    Eriksson

    That 4th year will have to cost something and a deferred 2nd rounder is my guess.

    I disagree.
    I think you could make the arguement that Lucic is a more valuable player to Vancouver right now, than Erickson is.
    I think Lucic is just as fast as Erickson, obviously much more physical, and provides that bit of a nuclear deterrent that Vancouver currently lacks.
    Erickson’s puck skills and agility are superior.
    But Vancouver probably values what Lucic brings more than Edmonton does at this point.
    I wouldn’t make the trade if Edmonton has to add a significant sweetener like a 2nd rounder.

  43. who says:

    Durag: Am I alone in thinking I would rather trade Larsson for a more established forward than trade Benning for an end of roster type? I see Petry 2.0 in Benning and I think Larsson is probably close to peak trade value. Well…not PEAK trade value, because we know his is ludicrously high…

    Also I am very on board with Lucic for Eriksson, even though 4 of the 7 goals Lucic will score next year will come against the Oilers.

    Benning isn’t close to Petry 2.0.
    Not as big, doesn’t skate nearly as well. Really huge jump to go from a Benning to a Petry. Or to go from a Benning to a Larsson, for that matter.

  44. Andy Dufresne says:

    I wasn’t overly impressed with Tippetts (and certainly not Hollands) response to the Analytics question. His answer seemed very rudimentary. He spoke about tracking scoring chances and then gave a lame anecdotal story of a dman who defended alot vs a dman who moved the puck. Whoopdy Doo. That dman story has been floating around the interwebs for 15 years now. Nothing he said projected a sound grasp of Advanced Analytics for me.

    Where was the follow up question regarding an Analytics Department or Manager of Analytics?

  45. DocFan says:

    Dumb Question

    If a player signs a 2 way deal, is Waivers still an issue? I.e. does the same set of rules apply to a player who signs a one way deal?

    Asking for a friend….

  46. Ribs says:

    Bag of Pucks: Agree. I found MacLellan to be very dismissive of analytics, even going so far as to troll the analytics community on occassion.

    You can get away with that type of arrogance when you’re winning. Seems very Don Cherryish when you’re losing.

    McLellan used analytics (even if he won’t admit it). He just had Ol’ Timey names for them. Remember “Volume Shooting”? haha

  47. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bob Stauffer on Monday or Tuesdays show expressed an opinion that only 4 of last years starting 6 dmen would be on the roster on opening day 2019.

    Ive been busy lately, so not sure if others have already mentioned / discussed this comment?

  48. Durag says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Don’t analytics models tend to be proprietary? He might be intentionally vague because he doesn’t want to give away what he’s doing.

  49. hunter1909 says:

    Hunter1909’s DeathMarch™ Unofficial Top Ten All Star List between 2014-19:

    1 Common Fan 14 – 1st 2014-15
    – 1st 2016-17

    2 HT Joe – 1st 2018-19
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    3 Yeti – 1st 2017-18
    – 5th 2014-15

    4 Romulus Apotheosis – 2nd 2017-18
    – 7th 2018-19

    5 Jake 70 – 2nd 2017-18
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    6 Younger Oil – 3rd 2014-15
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    7 TCHO – 5th 2017-18
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    8 FLEA – 7th 2018-9
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    Hunter1909’s DeathMarch™ Congratulates all of the Top Ten Official All Stars.

  50. Nit64 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Nothing he said projected a sound grasp of Advanced Analytics for me.

    Name checked working with Chayka as well. We’ll see what he surrounds himself with here.

  51. Nit64 says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909’s DeathMarch™ Unofficial Top Ten All Star List between 2014-19:

    ….

    Hunter1909’s DeathMarch™ Congratulates all of the Top Ten Official All Stars.

    That list went from unofficial to official in mid flight 😉

  52. defmn says:

    Munny: He’s told that story before.Pretty sure LT has used the Dman quote on this blog in the past.

    Yup. I read it here when it was posted. It was a story by a Dallas reporter responding to an interview Tippett gave to a Phoenix reporter about his time in Dallas just after Phoenix hired him.

    That is why I think some PR guy in the Oilers organization reads this blog and it was used to prepare Tippett for the press conference. He added it the way I have seen numerous politicians add stuff they have been prepped on as they try to remember all the info they were given before going in front of the mike. You will recall it got good reviews here after the link was posted.

    Just my impression and, as I said, it isn’t a bad thing that the organization is listening and trying to make nice with the fan base. Just that after years working with politicians I guess I am either jaded or good at telling when somebody is speaking from their own thoughts or ideas that were given to him in briefing notes.

  53. bwar says:

    ArmchairGM,

    With how bad our wingers were last year, he’d be an upgrade on almost everyone. That’s not really high praise for Vanek but more just to point out how easy an upgrade should be to find.

  54. OilersFuture says:

    I think that Khaira is a strong trade possibility.

    When you start to look at the LW depth the Oilers have the following players that are more inline to be bottom six players next year; Benson, Khaira, Nygard, Gambardella & Lucic (sorted in terms of value).

    So if the Oiler’s feel that replacing Khaira with Nygard or Gambardella will yield them marginal loss in value then perhaps he is a player that could be heading out of town.

    I really like the player, he’s a solid player that can play a lot of different roles on the team. But if he can be used with another asset for a player like Burakowsky, Zucker or JT Miller than it could make the team stronger.

  55. Jordan says:

    That’s not cool LT.

    You can’t tease me about New Jersey calling the Oilers on the draft floor and offering Hall for the #8 OV.

    That would make me so happy. So so Happy.

    God I want that to happen. Pick Value be damned. Expansion Draft be damned.

    You’re a terrible troll sir. I’m tearing up. Must be allergies.

    Well done.

  56. GMB3 says:

    who: Benning isn’t close to Petry 2.0.
    Not as big, doesn’t skate nearly as well. Really huge jump to go from a Benning to a Petry. Or to go from a Benning to a Larsson, for that matter.

    I see Petry 2.0 in a way. He’s overly maligned by the fan base despite being a good defenseman. No stand out skill, no interesting narrative (ie… not a cowboy). His stats don’t lie. He’s a good third pairing dman and that has value.

  57. Ben says:

    Most interesting verbal from Tippett for me was that he saw the PK as being tactically sound–everyone in the right places, doing the right things, but maybe execution was a bit off. Hmm.

    I have confidence in this coach 5 on 5. Really curious to see what happens on special teams, and would prefer an innovative specialist or two on the assistant staff to dig into this.

  58. GMB3 says:

    who: I disagree.
    I think you could make the arguement that Lucic is a more valuable player to Vancouver right now, than Erickson is.
    I think Lucic is just as fast as Erickson, obviously much more physical, and provides that bit of a nuclear deterrent that Vancouver currently lacks.
    Erickson’s puck skills and agility are superior.
    But Vancouver probably values what Lucic brings more than Edmonton does at this point.
    I wouldn’t make the trade if Edmonton has to add a significant sweetener like a 2nd rounder.

    How is Lucic a nuclear deterrent?

    Kassian’s probably a more intimidating figure in the league and he can actually play a bit.

  59. JimmyV1965 says:

    Durag: Am I alone in thinking I would rather trade Larsson for a more established forward than trade Benning for an end of roster type? I see Petry 2.0 in Benning and I think Larsson is probably close to peak trade value. Well…not PEAK trade value, because we know his is ludicrously high…

    Also I am very on board with Lucic for Eriksson, even though 4 of the 7 goals Lucic will score next year will come against the Oilers.

    The problem with trading Larsson now is he’s the only RHD capable of playing in the top four. If you trade him, you have to find someone else.

  60. Doug McLachlan says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Dave Tippett was Eriksson’s coach for the first 3 years of his career.

    That might matter in regards to EDM’s thought process.

    That probably is very significant.

    It’s an exchange of boat anchors with one ending earlier than the other. Neither are particularly buy-out able but am I wrong to think that as one-for-one’s go this is “ok” for the Oilers?

  61. Professor Q says:

    GMB3: How is Lucic a nuclear deterrent?

    Kassian’s probably a more intimidating figure in the league and he can actually play a bit.

    A nuclear deterrent, for Atom leagues?

  62. Oilman99 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Dave Tippett was Eriksson’s coach for the first 3 years of his career.

    That might matter in regards to EDM’s thought process.

    The idea of an Ericsson deal is a bit scary due to the fact he such a soft player, no faster that Lucic, and if he doesn’t score it is a total loss.

  63. YKOil says:

    incubo_nero:
    YKOil,
    Khaira is a B.C. local, right?
    Would Lucic and the RFA rights of Khaira for Erkissson be odious?
    Any trade of Lucic has to include a little pain. Not sure that draft picks do the trick.

    There will be a price. Would prefer it not be Khaira though. Khaira wouldn’t look out of place in these Finals imo, a 4th line guy to be sure but not out of place.

  64. Professor Q says:

    DocFan:
    Dumb Question

    If a player signs a 2 way deal, is Waivers still an issue? I.e. does the same set of rules apply to a player who signs a one way deal?

    Asking for a friend….

    I think yes, they do apply, depending on age and if it’s the ELC or not.

    2-way just means they get paid a different wage in the NHL vs. other leagues. 1-way means they get paid the same no matter what.

    I could be wrong, though.

  65. Bag of Pucks says:

    defmn: Yup. I read it here when it was posted. It was a story by a Dallasreporter responding to an interview Tippett gave to a Phoenix reporter about his time in Dallas just after Phoenix hired him.

    That is why I think some PR guy in the Oilers organization reads this blog and it was used to prepare Tippett for the press conference. He added it the way I have seen numerous politicians add stuff they have been prepped on as they try to remember all the info they were given before going in front of the mike. You will recall it got good reviews here after the link was posted.

    Just my impression and, as I said, it isn’t a bad thing that the organization is listening and trying to make nice with the fan base. Just that after years working with politicians I guess I am either jaded or good at telling when somebody is speaking from their own thoughts or ideas that were given to him in briefing notes.

    Interesting observations.

    I think the OEG were also surprised by the vitriol against the OBC after Chiarell was let go. I think they honestly thought they could simply scapegoat Petey and install Keith as the next OBC approved candidate. It became clear from meeting with season ticket holders however that their scapegoat strategy wasn’t going to make everyone forget the far longer record of incompetence.

    Combine this with the brutal optics of the Koskinen contract and then Burgers asinine comment on Rieder, and any plans they had to ‘protect the culture’ were quickly made untenable.

    If they’re better prepping their talking heads now, that’s progress because this is a club that has struggled to massage the message pretty much since the Gretzky trade.

  66. Doug McLachlan says:

    McNuge93: how about each team retains $1 million in salary or so. A wash for first three years but inthe fourth year Lucic only costs Vancouver 5 mil and the Oilers $1 mil.

    You know the Oilers have the #8 pick and the Canucks have the #10. Would a step back of two places be a price worth making – not giving up the pick outright – but just stepping back two spots?

    Going off Michael E. Schuckers’ NHL Draft Pick Value Charts (admittedly somewhat dated now) http://statsportsconsulting.com/main/wp-content/uploads/Schuckers_NHL_Draftchart.pdf
    the drop from 8th-10th is really only the value of a 7th round pick.

    If we agree on that evaluation, I think it may be easier to swallow than actual prospects or retaining $ and the optics for Vancouver are potentially better too – at least on draft day.

  67. YourboyAllan says:

    texmex:
    My favorite part of the Tippett Presser was when he said it’s not just Connor and Leon, but the team has some other good pieces as well. I wish he singled out RNH specifically though. I know RNH is not self centered, but I wonder if he tires of always hearing about Connor and Leon while never getting acknowledged as a damn good hockey player?

    He did mention Nurse and Nuge specifically in an interview with Gene Principe, hopefully my attachment works. He goes on to mention watching Nurse recently at the world’s and having Nuge as a player on the World Cup team.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/tippett-pumped-rest-oilers-core-not-just-dynamic-duo/

  68. Rich M says:

    JimmyV1965: The problem with trading Larsson now is he’s the only RHD capable of playing in the top four. If you trade him, you have to find someone else.

    This +100.

  69. Doug McLachlan says:

    Durag: Make puck go in net

    And will do so for relatively cheap. @EvolvingWild has a UFA contract prediction of one year at a little over $2M If he can catch some magic with Draisaitl and repeat another 15goal season. That’s money well spent.

  70. hunter1909 says:

    Nit64: That list went from unofficial to officialin mid flight

    You did great work. Thank you for taking the effort.

  71. Scungilli Slushy says:

    GMB3: How is Lucic a nuclear deterrent?

    Kassian’s probably a more intimidating figure in the league and he can actually play a bit.

    The players in the league voted him second toughest, behind Reaves and ahead of Chara surprisingly.

    Vancouver needs a strong leadership type with such a young team, and given how small they’re going to be a proper heavyweight might not be a bad idea, teams will run them to stop the skill.

    It can’t stop injuries but a player like Lucic can keep things from getting out of hand as when there is no significant deterrent.

    Lucic also has decent numbers outside of scoring and similar to Ericsson’s scoring. I see it as a realistic deal.

  72. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JP would be as reliable and productive as Vanek at this point. Chiasson is a bigger Vanek. I doubt see it.

  73. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Doug McLachlan: You know the Oilers have the #8 pick and the Canucks have the #10.Would a step back of two places be a price worth making – not giving up the pick outright – but just stepping back two spots?

    Going off Michael E. Schuckers’ NHL Draft Pick Value Charts (admittedly somewhat dated now) http://statsportsconsulting.com/main/wp-content/uploads/Schuckers_NHL_Draftchart.pdf
    the drop from 8th-10th is really only the value of a 7th round pick.

    If we agree on that evaluation, I think it may be easier to swallow than actual prospects or retaining $ and the optics for Vancouver are potentially better too – at least on draft day.

    Depends who’s on the board. A big right shot C that can skate and has skill drafted so high is a pretty valuable piece especially to the Oilers who have only Marody.

  74. oilfan9911 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Interesting observations.

    I think the OEG were also surprised by the vitriol against the OBC after Chiarell was let go. I think they honestly thought they could simply scapegoat Petey and install Keith as the next OBC approved candidate. It became clear from meeting with season ticket holders however that their scapegoat strategy wasn’t going to make everyone forget the far longer record of incompetence.

    Combine this with the brutal optics of the Koskinen contract and then Burgers asinine comment on Rieder, and any plans they had to ‘protect the culture’ were quickly made untenable.

    If they’re better prepping their talking heads now, that’s progress because this is a club that has struggled to massage the message pretty much since the Gretzky trade.

    That doesn’t track with someone from inside the organization leaking OBC salaries to the media ~6 weeks ago: the only reason to do that is to totally sewer the optics of going with Keith Gretzky as GM and maintaining status quo elsewhere. IMO the only one who makes sense as a leaker is Nicholson to force Katz’s hand into letting him make an outside hire.

  75. Durag says:

    Doug McLachlan: And will do so for relatively cheap.@EvolvingWild has a UFA contract prediction of one year at a little over $2MIf he can catch some magic with Draisaitl and repeat another 15goal season.That’s money well spent.

    15 is also a fairly low projection for Vanek. He’s definitely in decline, but has never dropped below a 20 goal per 82 game pace in his career.

  76. who says:

    GMB3: I see Petry 2.0 in a way. He’s overly maligned by the fan base despite being a good defenseman. No stand out skill, no interesting narrative (ie… not a cowboy). His stats don’t lie. He’s a good third pairing dman and that has value.

    Really think Petry was maligned more than Benning is right now.
    And Petry was a very good skater and considerably bigger than Benning.
    I agree that Benning is a 3rd pairing dman. But that is all he will ever be. Are you saying that Petry is no better than a 3rd pairing guy?

  77. Doug McLachlan says:

    Nit64: Name checked working with Chayka as well. We’ll see what he surrounds himself with here.

    Yay, I thought the D-man story was the piece of meat for the Old School crowd, “can’t always trust your eyes stuff”, while the Chayka name drop was more for the New School types, “don’t worry, we have moved well past 1996, don’t worry”.

    What I would like to hear from Holland is a broader perspective that incorporates data-driven analysis into other aspects of the organization such as player assessment and development in both the amateur and pro scouting departments.

    It may well be coming but with the combine underway I’m curious if that wouldn’t be the sort of place to put those talents to use.

  78. who says:

    GMB3: How is Lucic a nuclear deterrent?

    Kassian’s probably a more intimidating figure in the league and he can actually play a bit.

    Kassian isn’t in the same league as Lucic as a fighter. Lucic still scares most NHL’ers. Kassian scares some NHL’ers.
    I’m not here to pump Lucics tires. All I’m saying is right now, Erickson might be just as bad. And Lucic brings an element that Erickson just doesn’t. And some GM’s still value that element.

  79. David says:

    From what I’ve heard from Tippett post hiring is an inclusion of Larsson every time he talks about the good core pieces. On Tim and Sid he was singing Larsson’s praises.

  80. Bag of Pucks says:

    oilfan9911: That doesn’t track with someone from inside the organization leaking OBC salaries to the media ~6 weeks ago: the only reason to do that is to totally sewer the optics of going with Keith Gretzky as GM and maintaining status quo elsewhere. IMO the only one who makes sense as a leaker is Nicholson to force Katz’s hand into letting him make an outside hire.

    First I’ve heard of it. Do you have a link to the leaked salary info? Mr Google not helping.

  81. Munny says:

    defmn,

    I don’t doubt it. They’d be stupid not to.

    It’s always great when members of the Lowetide commentariat bring their personal and work experiences to the various analyses we find here. Thank you!

  82. Munny says:

    Doug McLachlan: What I would like to hear from Holland is a broader perspective that incorporates data-driven analysis into other aspects of the organization such as player assessment and development in both the amateur and pro scouting departments.

    Those departments are presently in a state of flux. Doubt we will hear about their methodology until personnel is settled. And that’s if we ever hear about it… organizations don’t typically open their processes up to public scrutiny. Especially when such processes don’t really have a consensus within the data community. We fight over which stats are more relevant here all the time. Various measures come in and out of fashion, etc.

  83. oilfan9911 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Gregor revealed that Coffey was making $500K/year and offered critism on air. He also tweeted it, which was a perfect set up for Dustin Nielson to reveal that the team had the money to pay Coffey but not enough money to pay for the person who helped new arrivals get set up in Edmonton.

    https://twitter.com/nielsonTSN1260/status/1116879148159344640?s=17

    Rob Tychowski also wrote an “off season plan” article where he would create a super front office and be able to afford it by clearing out Gretzky and Coffeys big salaries.

  84. Death By Misadventure says:

    OriginalPouzar: Would definitely have Rieder back if he’d sign for around $1.25M to $1.5M but I think that ship has sailed.

    What makes you certain Reider would even be offered an NHL contract by anyone? After scoring zero goals best he can expect is league minimum. If Holland offers anything he will jump on it, otherwise it’s straight to the Swiss league.

  85. Nit64 says:

    hunter1909: You did great work. Thank you for taking the effort.

    Your’e welcome. The years without tiebreakers were the issue. Good thing you do tiebreakers now.

    Wherever Toby ends up his goals would be a great tiebreaker next year. And his assists as 2nd tiebreaker 😉

  86. Darth Tu says:

    Nit64: Your’e welcome. The years without tiebreakers were the issue. Good thing you do tiebreakers now.

    Wherever Toby ends up his goals would be a great tiebreaker next year. And his assists as 2nd tiebreaker

    Is there going to be a Rieder’s first goal of the year contest for next season? That’s the real burning issue….

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ughhh, the Anders Nilsson re-signing today brings up those old feelings of bewilderment regarding the Koskinen contract – Nilsson is younger and had the better season (well, at least by the traditional numbers like save percentage – I haven’t dug in to them) and re-signed for $1.9M less per year than Koskinen and with no trade restriction clauses (at least reported).

    Come on Mikko – just get better and make me eat my words over the last 6 months.

  88. Death By Misadventure says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I don’t really care what they said, or how they looked, or how they talked.

    – Our GM didn’t make the playoffs the last 3 years, and lost 1st round the two before, and the coach didn’t make the playoffs for 5 years.We are buying into their reputation, and hope that super-cedes their last 5 years of work

    – I’m kinda sorta able to maybe give benefit of doubt and cover my eyes re:last 5 year track records: rebuilds, not enough fire-power, cap constraints blah blah

    – Saying not winning is not acceptable, when all they have done for 10 years collectively is a total of 2 playoff appearances combined:winning must not mean what I think winning is

    – These guys have a free pass for a year: so get sh$t done (or let it bleed out a year and be patient), make the playoffs this year or don’t, but just go about to setting us up to win for many years hence.

    – Hope that in the last 5 years of each of their tenures: the teachable moments they learned from not winning will translate into experiences they can apply to winning here.We once had a GM who “knew a thing or two about winning”, and he didn’t do any winning

    – I don’t expect a lot from these press-conferences: and as Oiler fans we have heard it all, seen it all from new coach/GM/Management, who has it figured out and will be better than the last group.We are pros at this ritual, the tracks have been played far too often:We’ll see…

    GOILERS

    +1

  89. Reja says:

    defmn: Yup. I read it here when it was posted. It was a story by a Dallasreporter responding to an interview Tippett gave to a Phoenix reporter about his time in Dallas just after Phoenix hired him.

    That is why I think some PR guy in the Oilers organization reads this blog and it was used to prepare Tippett for the press conference. He added it the way I have seen numerous politicians add stuff they have been prepped on as they try to remember all the info they were given before going in front of the mike. You will recall it got good reviews here after the link was posted.

    Just my impression and, as I said, it isn’t a bad thing that the organization is listening and trying to make nice with the fan base. Just that after years working with politicians I guess I am either jaded or good at telling when somebody is speaking from their own thoughts or ideas that were given to him in briefing notes.

    Holland and Tippett are making close to 8 mil between them you better be able to sing and dance for that amount.

  90. ArmchairGM says:

    Durag: Make puck go in net

    He’s only effective in the O-zone and needs to be extremely sheltered to succeed.

  91. Jethro Tull says:

    David:
    From what I’ve heard from Tippett post hiring is an inclusion of Larsson every time he talks about the good core pieces. On Tim and Sid he was singing Larsson’s praises.

    He knows it’s not the same Larsson from Arizona, right?

  92. Reja says:

    GMB3: How is Lucic a nuclear deterrent?

    Kassian’s probably a more intimidating figure in the league and he can actually play a bit.

    Lucic was out when McDavid got hurt by Gio and absolutely Zero response by anyone on the ice it was one of the most embarrassing reactions since they entered the league in my opinion.

  93. JOFA says:

    YKOil: There will be a price.Would prefer it not be Khaira though.Khaira wouldn’t look out of place in these Finals imo, a 4th line guy to be sure but not out of place.

    Way tooooo much. Not even in the ball park. Trade should be player for player. How much older is Eriksson?

  94. GMB3 says:

    Reja: Lucic was out when McDavid got hurt by Gio and absolutely Zero response by anyone on the ice it was one of the most embarrassing reactions since theyentered the league in my opinion.

    How many fights did Lucic have this year? 2? What happened when Marc Savard got his career ended?

    Are there any facts to prove that’s Lucic reduces injuries? He’s never going to be on the ice at the same time as Connor, so how is he deterring anyone?

  95. ArmchairGM says:

    Doug McLachlan: the drop from 8th-10th is really only the value of a 7th round pick.

    Look at the players that have been drafted at #8 since 2010 and the players drafted at #10. The difference is NOT a 7th rounder – that chart is bs.

    #8
    2011: Couterier
    2012: Pouliot
    2013: Ristolainen
    2014: W. Nylander
    2015: Werenski
    2016: A. Nylander
    2017: Mittelstadt

    #10
    2011: Brodin
    2012: Koekkoek
    2013: Nichushkin
    2014: Ritchie
    2015: Rantanen
    2016: Jost
    2017: Tippett

  96. hunter1909 says:

    GMB3: How is Lucic a nuclear deterrent?

    Kassian’s probably a more intimidating figure in the league and he can actually play a bit.

    One might say Lucic spares Nurse having to fight his way through the NHL; also Lucic looked useful wayy back when the team was actually decent.

    Everyone keeps rattling on about how Lucic is on the block when unless Tippet+Holland see otherwise he’s in the lineup next October, at the puck drop when all entries to the Hunter1909 2019-20 DeathMarch™ will henceforth, close.

  97. GMB3 says:

    who: Kassian isn’t in the same league as Lucic as a fighter. Lucic still scares most NHL’ers. Kassian scares some NHL’ers.
    I’m not here to pump Lucics tires. All I’m saying is right now, Erickson might be just as bad. And Lucic brings an element that Erickson just doesn’t. And some GM’s still value that element.

    Yeah, GM’s like Peter Chiarelli.

    This narrative that he’s such a great leader for young guys is horseshit. He’s not even a replacement level player. There’s still concerns about the ‘culture’ in Edmonton, and he’s sitting at the head of the table.

    I’m sure he’s a great guy and everything but good lord he struggles on the ice, and if we could get a 1 for 1 swap with him it would be huge.

  98. GMB3 says:

    hunter1909: One might say Lucic spares Nurse having to fight his way through the NHL; also Lucic looked useful wayy back when the team was actually decent.

    Everyone keeps rattling on about how Lucic is on the block when unless Tippet+Holland see otherwise he’s in the lineup next October, at the puck drop when all entries to the Hunter1909 2019-20 DeathMarch™ will henceforth, close.

    How does Lucic spare Nurse from fighting? How many fights did Lucic even have this year?

  99. hunter1909 says:

    Re Lucic; Hopefully Holland/Tippet read Lowetide, because then they can read from me that Lucic was never the problem, not before the goalies fell apart like Germans at Stalingrad in 1943.

    And other things.

    Tippet/Holland sit Lucic down and after stripping him of his Assistant bullshit captain letter, they fire him up for training camp.

    “Hockey should be fun Milan. Forget about the “A”. Go back to what you like to do best…You scare the shit out of them. Lurking in the shadows like a one man Ghost Train”

    PS: “By the way. unless you’re prepared to be an Oiler Milan, sign this release from your NMC unless you prefer sitting in the Press box”. lol

  100. dustrock says:

    ArmchairGM: Look at the players that have been drafted at #8 since 2010 and the players drafted at #10. The difference is NOT a 7th rounder – that chart is bs.

    #8
    2011: Couterier
    2012: Pouliot
    2013: Ristolainen
    2014: W. Nylander
    2015: Werenski
    2016: A. Nylander
    2017: Mittelstadt

    #10
    2011: Brodin
    2012: Koekkoek
    2013: Nichushkin
    2014: Ritchie
    2015: Rantanen
    2016: Jost
    2017: Tippett

    Pretty sure Blue Bullet Brad says the difference from 8-10 is about the same as the difference from #3-8 in this draft.

    So yeah, I’m absolutely opposed to moving down unless there’s significant upside for Edmonton.

  101. Nit64 says:

    Darth Tu: Is there going to be a Rieder’s first goal of the year contest for next season? That’s the real burning issue….

    If he’s with the Oil that’s a natural. Then again he might like to play away somewhere without a Toby Watch 2.0.

  102. hunter1909 says:

    GMB3: How does Lucic spare Nurse from fighting? How many fights did Lucic even have this year?

    Have you ever been in a fight?

    Asking for a friend.

  103. Munny says:

    I imagine Reider takes whatever train leaving town he can get on. Whether that’s a min salary offer or merely a PTO, he will be on it. After a goalless year and comments from the CEO, I’m sure he’ll welcome a change of scenery and a fresh start elsewhere.

  104. Doug McLachlan says:

    ArmchairGM: Look at the players that have been drafted at #8 since 2010 and the players drafted at #10. The difference is NOT a 7th rounder – that chart is bs.

    #8
    2011: Couterier
    2012: Pouliot
    2013: Ristolainen
    2014: W. Nylander
    2015: Werenski
    2016: A. Nylander
    2017: Mittelstadt

    #10
    2011: Brodin
    2012: Koekkoek
    2013: Nichushkin
    2014: Ritchie
    2015: Rantanen
    2016: Jost
    2017: Tippett

    Fair comment. What’s your top 10 in this draft?

    I think I am currently (and it changes almost hourly at this point)
    1- Hughes
    2- Kakko
    3- Byram
    4- Turcotte
    5- Cozens
    6- Podkolzin
    7- Dach
    8- Zegras
    9- Boldy
    10-Krebs

    Caufield and Podkolzin slip in and out of the top 10 as I redo it.

    That said, is Krebs that big a step down from Zegras? Is Boldy? This year’s draft really seems hard to distinguish between 5-10 let alone 8-10 and if our list is different from Vancouver and Anaheim’s – well we may still get our #8 at #10?

  105. hunter1909 says:

    @Woodguy, After you exposed my tissue of lies re having anything tangible to report with DeathMarch™… here is the Official Top Ten All Star DeathMarch™ Players:

    Hunter1909’s DeathMarch™ Official Top Ten All Star List between 2014-19:

    1 Common Fan 14 – 1st 2014-15
    – 1st 2016-17

    2 HT Joe – 1st 2018-19
    – 2nd 2015-16
    – 7th 2017-18

    3 Yeti – 1st 2017-18
    – 5th 2014-15

    4 Romulus Apotheosis – 2nd 2017-18
    – 7th 2018-19

    5 Jake 70 – 2nd 2017-18
    – 9th 2017-18

    6 Younger Oil – 3rd 2014-15
    – 5th 2017-18

    7 TCHO – 5th 2017-18
    – 9th 2015-16

    8 FLEA – 7th 2018-9
    – 8th 2017-18

    9 Stephen Sheps – 7th 2014-15
    – 10th 2018-19

    10 Godot 10 – 10th 2014-15
    – 10th 2018-19

    Hunter1909’s DeathMarch™ Congratulates all of the Top Ten Official All Stars.

    See you next Season!

  106. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM: What makes Vanek enticing to Edmonton though?

    You can never have enough slow forwards who cannot check or penalty kill. Lucic, Gagner, Vanek…the more the merrier.

  107. Reja says:

    GMB3: How many fights did Lucic have this year? 2? What happened when Marc Savard got his career ended?

    Are there any facts to prove that’s Lucic reduces injuries? He’s never going to be on the ice at the same time as Connor, so how is he deterring anyone?

    Have you ever been punched in the beak it hurts make’s you think twice wether are not to unintentionally but definitely intentionally take out Mcdavid legs in a meaningless game for the Flames. Also makes your teammates think as well when they see you with a broken nose and two black eyes or a handful of missing teeth. Have you been watching this and last years playoffs?

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    Caribbeerman:
    Any pause for thought given to the possible return of Tobias Rieder? He does have an impressive record under Tippett. I wonder if the player can get past Nicholson’s comments?

    I thought he’d be a solid re-sign even before the Tippett hiring.

    He was thought to be a good best for a value contract at $2M but just had a terrible year but that year is so out of line with his historical norms its almost assured that he will bounce back. He’d be another good bet for a value contract at $2M and will have to sign for even less.

    Of course, given the famous presser, I don’t imagine he will be back.

  109. Nit64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Of course, given the famous presser, I don’t imagine he will be back.

    How about we send Bob to Zurich and keep Toby here?

  110. Alpine says:

    ArmchairGM: Look at the players that have been drafted at #8 since 2010 and the players drafted at #10. The difference is NOT a 7th rounder – that chart is bs.

    #8
    2011: Couterier
    2012: Pouliot
    2013: Ristolainen
    2014: W. Nylander
    2015: Werenski
    2016: A. Nylander
    2017: Mittelstadt

    #10
    2011: Brodin
    2012: Koekkoek
    2013: Nichushkin
    2014: Ritchie
    2015: Rantanen
    2016: Jost
    2017: Tippett

    Three years with a considerable win in favour of 8th, one win for 10th (Rantanen), and three near washes though Jost probably beats the younger Nylander.

    It’s relatively close and it depends on draft year. What’s the difference between Dach/Zegras and Boldy/Krebs? Probably not much. More than a 7th round pick, sure. Maybe not much more than a 4th or 5th though.

  111. Nit64 says:

    hunter1909:
    @Woodguy, After you exposed my tissue of lies re having anything tangible to report with DeathMarch™… here is the Official Top Ten All Star DeathMarch™ Players:

    Hunter1909’s DeathMarch™ Official Top Ten All Star List between 2014-19:

    1 Common Fan 14 – 1st 2014-15
    – 1st 2016-17

    2 HT Joe – 1st 2018-19
    – 2nd 2015-16
    – 7th 2017-18

    3 Yeti – 1st 2017-18
    – 5th 2014-15

    4 Romulus Apotheosis – 2nd 2017-18
    – 7th 2018-19

    5 Jake 70 – 2nd 2017-18
    – 9th 2017-18

    6 Younger Oil – 3rd 2014-15
    – 5th 2017-18

    7 TCHO – 5th 2017-18
    – 9th 2015-16

    8 FLEA – 7th 2018-9
    – 8th 2017-18

    9 Stephen Sheps – 7th 2014-15
    – 10th 2018-19

    10 Godot 10 – 10th 2014-15
    – 10th 2018-19

    Hunter1909’s DeathMarch™ Congratulates all of the Top Ten Official All Stars.

    See you next Season!

    Three echelons:

    2 golds : Command Fan 14
    3 top 10s: HT Joe
    2 top 10s: the peleton

    Any prior top 10 finisher can hit the leaderboard with a top 10 finish next year.

  112. Reja says:

    hunter1909: Have you ever been in a fight?

    Asking for a friend.

    Intimidation it’s a thing look at ovechkin not many light or even middleweights are gonna give Ovi extra stick work after he almost sent that ignorant kid on a slow train with Mctavish to Russia.

  113. ArmchairGM says:

    Gambardella 2 years x $700k.

    Nice.

  114. ArmchairGM says:

    Alpine: Three years with a considerable win in favour of 8th, one win for 10th (Rantanen), and three near washes though Jost probably beats the younger Nylander.

    It’s relatively close and it depends on draft year. What’s the difference between Dach/Zegras and Boldy/Krebs? Probably not much. More than a 7th round pick, sure. Maybe not much more than a 4th or 5th though.

    LOL. Any chance I can get a peek into your crystal ball? Just for a few minutes?

  115. Nit64 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Gambardella 2 years x $700k.

    Nice.

    2 ways. $125K OR $700K.

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn:
    The part I liked best about the presser yesterday was how many times Tippett mentioned “winning” and how all the rest of it was basically the details of how to get there.

    When I listened to the question and answer about analytics I couldn’t help think he had been briefed to expect the question – it was probably planted by the team – and how important it was to answer it in a manner that would soothe the soul of the fan base. Just my impression based upon how many press conferences I have prepared politicians for. The answer was ready and pat and detailed – including the dman story. This doesn’t mean he was lying. I just think he was ready and prepped with the answer.

    Of course, I felt the same way listening to the Holland presser when he was being queried about his last few year’s record etc. Somebody in the Oilers’ PR department is making certain the new hires know where the frustration points are ready to boil over.

    This is a good thing. It means they are finally listening.

    Absolutely he was prepped for the question but I’m not sure it was due to the Oiler PR department – I think it was pretty obvious that he was going to be asked about it – certainly wasn’t a curve ball.

    Same thing with Holland and his recent “success” in Detroit and their cap situation – a somewhat obvious question in my mind.

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    I read the other day that Kappo Kakko wasn’t going to be attending the combine. I figured he was banged up from the Worlds or something along those lines but, apparently, that’s not the case and he’s not attending because he’s in Finland partying and helping the country celebrate.

    That’s a power move by the kid – bold.

    I’ve heard he’s got a personality on him and it seems so.

    I’m going to like this kid!

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon:
    Lowetide,

    “Tippett mentioned speed a few times yesterday, I wonder if that impacts Adam Larsson, Jujhar Khaira, Sam Gagner, Milan Lucic, Kyle Brodziak, Colby Cave and Ty Rattie?”

    I feel like Khaira shouldn’t be on this list. I see him as a fast skater, and aggressive, and a player who is calm with the puck. He doesn’t belong in that group.

    I would agree – Khaira is a plus skater.

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    – Our GM didn’t make the playoffs the last 3 years, and lost 1st round the two before, and the coach didn’t make the playoffs for 5 years.We are buying into their reputation, and hope that super-cedes their last 5 years of work

    I would think that most coaches with NHL coaching experience that are available to be hired had little success in the last few years with their prior teams – or else they wouldn’t be available, no?

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    YKOil: If the deal happens I see it going down this way:

    Lucic, 2019 EDM 4th or 6th or ‘c’ level prospect, 2022 EDM 2nd
    FOR
    Eriksson

    That 4th year will have to cost something and a deferred 2nd rounder is my guess.

    If the cost in that trade includes a 2nd rounder, I don’t do it.

    The one year less of term is great but at the same time Louie E. is older which mitigates that a bit in the Oilers favor.

    More than anything, lets realize that 2nd round picks are valuable – our last two 2nd rounders were Ryan McLeod and Tyler Benson.

  121. incubo_nero says:

    JOFA,

    Okay.
    I’m going off of the premise that:
    1.] There is something to this Vancouver rumour and a deal is there, although not until July 1/2019
    2.] A clean disposition is not available

    How about Lucic + Khaira for Sutter (who they buy out in 2020)?

    Does Khaira cover the cap cost premium, term premium and expansion worry of his NMC (will he or will he not waive?) on Lucic’s contract?
    Khaira covers the bet as a bottom-6 and could possibly slot in as Sutter’s replacement at 4C.

  122. Bag of Pucks says:

    oilfan9911:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Gregor revealed that Coffey was making $500K/year and offered critism on air. He also tweeted it, which was a perfect set up for Dustin Nielson to reveal that the team had the money to pay Coffey but not enough money to pay for the person who helped new arrivals get set up in Edmonton.

    https://twitter.com/nielsonTSN1260/status/1116879148159344640?s=17

    Rob Tychowski also wrote an “off season plan” article where he would create a super front office and be able to afford it by clearing out Gretzky and Coffeys big salaries.

    K. I don’t know that we can extrapolate from that Burgers is the leak.

    If Coffey was AWOL and thus taking the piss at the owner’s expense, I could see a fair few in the organization wanting to spill the beans on the java man.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    Durag: Am I alone in thinking I would rather trade Larsson for a more established forward than trade Benning for an end of roster type? I see Petry 2.0 in Benning and I think Larsson is probably close to peak trade value. Well…not PEAK trade value, because we know his is ludicrously high…

    Also I am very on board with Lucic for Eriksson, even though 4 of the 7 goals Lucic will score next year will come against the Oilers.

    Larsson is coming off a really tough season – I would say his value is opposite of peak value.

    This would also leave us with zero top 4 right shot d-men.

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    incubo_nero:
    YKOil,

    Khaira is a B.C. local, right?
    Would Lucic and the RFA rights of Khaira for Erkissson be odious?
    Any trade of Lucic has to include a little pain. Not sure that draft picks do the trick.

    Taking on the contract almost as bad as Lucic’s for the older play is the pain.

  125. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: I would think that most coaches with NHL coaching experience that are available to be hired had little success in the last few years with their prior teams – or else they wouldn’t be available, no?

    Not many get fired when they’re winning that’s all that matters.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    I wasn’t overly impressed with Tippetts (and certainly not Hollands) response to the Analytics question. His answer seemed very rudimentary. He spoke about tracking scoring chances and then gave a lame anecdotal story of a dman who defended alot vs a dman who moved the puck. Whoopdy Doo. That dman story has been floating around the interwebs for 15 years now.Nothing he said projected a sound grasp of Advanced Analytics for me.

    Where was the follow up question regarding an Analytics Department or Manager of Analytics?

    When he spoke about scoring chances he also mentioned the different types of scoring chances as well as tracking the individual contributions to the scoring chances for and against.

    Don’t let Bruce hear you say it didn’t do it for you.

  127. Bag of Pucks says:

    Any love on the board for Keith Kinkaid as the 1B to Koskinen?

    At times, he seems capable of starter quality minutes but somewhat inconsistent.

    Jake Allen was historically bad in St Loo this season. He’s a pretty toxic contract as a result but might be a Dubnyk revival in the waiting. Wonder if that’s a potential Lucic or Russell trade target? He’s got the tools if he ever figures out the mental side.

  128. pts2pndr says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I don’t really care what they said, or how they looked, or how they talked.

    – Our GM didn’t make the playoffs the last 3 years, and lost 1st round the two before, and the coach didn’t make the playoffs for 5 years.We are buying into their reputation, and hope that super-cedes their last 5 years of work

    – I’m kinda sorta able to maybe give benefit of doubt and cover my eyes re:last 5 year track records: rebuilds, not enough fire-power, cap constraints blah blah

    – Saying not winning is not acceptable, when all they have done for 10 years collectively is a total of 2 playoff appearances combined:winning must not mean what I think winning is

    – These guys have a free pass for a year: so get sh$t done (or let it bleed out a year and be patient), make the playoffs this year or don’t, but just go about to setting us up to win for many years hence.

    – Hope that in the last 5 years of each of their tenures: the teachable moments they learned from not winning will translate into experiences they can apply to winning here.We once had a GM who “knew a thing or two about winning”, and he didn’t do any winning

    – I don’t expect a lot from these press-conferences: and as Oiler fans we have heard it all, seen it all from new coach/GM/Management, who has it figured out and will be better than the last group.We are pros at this ritual, the tracks have been played far too often:We’ll see…

    GOILERS

    In my opinion you are off base, he was the coach not God and given his rosters and results, he gets a pass in my books. The man has earned a chance and doesn’t deserve having his grave dug before he even arrives. A pessimist is rarely disappointed. I do understand your negativity however I believe it is incumbent on all of us to give this management group a chance.

  129. pts2pndr says:

    Alpine: Three years with a considerable win in favour of 8th, one win for 10th (Rantanen), and three near washes though Jost probably beats the younger Nylander.

    It’s relatively close and it depends on draft year. What’s the difference between Dach/Zegras and Boldy/Krebs? Probably not much. More than a 7th round pick, sure. Maybe not much more than a 4th or 5th though.

    Get it right and nobody remembers get it wrong and nobody forgets! Would you think it wise if it was your resume at risk?

  130. ArmchairGM says:

    Nit64: 2 ways. $125K OR $700K.

    $125k for 19-20.
    $190k for 20-21.

  131. GMB3 says:

    Reja: Have you ever been punched in the beak it hurts make’s you think twice wether are not to unintentionally but definitely intentionally take out Mcdavid legs in a meaningless gamefor the Flames. Also makes your teammates think as well when they see you with a broken nose and two black eyes or a handful of missing teeth. Have you been watching this and last years playoffs?

    Definitely intentionally?

    You know McDavid doesn’t even think that right?

    There’s been three fights in the playoffs this year. All the teams who have been assessed a fighting major in this playoffs have been eliminated. Have you been watching? This is an all time terrible take
    I

  132. GMB3 says:

    hunter1909: Have you ever been in a fight?

    Asking for a friend.

    What does that have to do with anything I said? Are you still on a bender? Nurse fought more times this season that Lucic did. Do you ever actually look anything up to back up what you say? Or just smash the post comment button.

  133. defmn says:

    GMB3: What does that have to do with anything I said? Are you still on a bender? Nurse fought more times this season that Lucic did. Do you ever actually look anything up to back up what you say? Or just smash the post comment button.

    Guys that are known to be tough don’t fight very often because usually all they need to do is growl or stare. 😉

  134. Alpine says:

    ArmchairGM: LOL. Any chance I can get a peek into your crystal ball? Just for a few minutes?

    What crystal ball? I was using today’s value of each year’s picks to compare them to each other. Nowhere did I make any future forecasts. Based on what what we know, there isn’t a lot of difference.

  135. GMB3 says:

    defmn: Guys that are known to be tough don’t fight very often because usually all they need to do is growl or stare.

    Right. How’s that work as a deterrent? I wonder if Marc Savard was happy Lucic was there when Matt Cooke took his head off and ended his career? Lucic was the guy who passed him the puck if I remember correctly.

    It’s a bullshit narrative. Most guys out there who are trying to hurt other guys aren’t goiing to stop because they are worried about fighting.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    DocFan:
    Dumb Question

    If a player signs a 2 way deal, is Waivers still an issue? I.e. does the same set of rules apply to a player who signs a one way deal?

    Asking for a friend….

    Not a dumb question as lots of people don’t understand this and think that a one-way contract means waivers and a 2-way contract does not. A one-way vs. two-way contract has nothing to do with if a player needs to clear waivers (its only effect is if they get their NHL salary or a seperate AHL salary if in the minor leagues).

    Whether waiver is required or not depends on how many years its been since the player signed their ELC and how many games they played – once they hit one or the other, they are subject to waivers. Further the thresholds change depending on the age they were when they sign their ELC.

    For a player that signs when 19, he needs to accrue 4 years or play 160 games.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jordan:
    That’s not cool LT.

    You can’t tease me about New Jersey calling the Oilers on the draft floor and offering Hall for the #8 OV.

    That would make me so happy.So so Happy.

    God I want that to happen.Pick Value be damned.Expansion Draft be damned.

    You’re a terrible troll sir.I’m tearing up.Must be allergies.

    Well done.

    I would love Hall next year for $6M (although I’m not sure where that cap space comes from).

    I would NOT love Hall for his 30-35 years at $10M.

  138. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    pts2pndr,

    OriginalPouzar,

    – Maybe my take isn’t clear: I’m pessimisticly optimistic

    – But I don’t care about the verbal or the tone. I just want to see it turned around.

    – I think these guys as a base won’t f?ck it up. I think the coach only matters at the edges. Tippet is fine.

    – Just be competitive So much luck. MacT got us CMD. Chia got us a purge of the OBC. Let’s see what these guys do and hope their last 5 years mean 5 years of regression to the mean. They are due!

    GOILERS

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: The idea of an Ericsson deal is a bit scary due to the fact he such a soft player, no faster that Lucic, and if he doesn’t score it is a total loss.

    He PKs – isn’t that more value than what Lucic brings when he isn’t scoring?

  140. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909:
    @Woodguy, After you exposed my tissue of lies re having anything tangible to report with DeathMarch™… here is the Official Top Ten All Star DeathMarch™ Players:

    Hunter1909’s DeathMarch™ Official Top Ten All Star List between 2014-19:

    1 Common Fan 14 – 1st 2014-15
    – 1st 2016-17

    2 HT Joe – 1st 2018-19
    – 2nd 2015-16
    – 7th 2017-18

    3 Yeti – 1st 2017-18
    – 5th 2014-15

    4 Romulus Apotheosis – 2nd 2017-18
    – 7th 2018-19

    5 Jake 70 – 2nd 2017-18
    – 9th 2017-18

    6 Younger Oil – 3rd 2014-15
    – 5th 2017-18

    7 TCHO – 5th 2017-18
    – 9th 2015-16

    8 FLEA – 7th 2018-9
    – 8th 2017-18

    9 Stephen Sheps – 7th 2014-15
    – 10th 2018-19

    10 Godot 10 – 10th 2014-15
    – 10th 2018-19

    Hunter1909’s DeathMarch™ Congratulates all of the Top Ten Official All Stars.

    See you next Season!

    Well done sir.

    Thank you.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    Remember how bad the blender was with the forwards the last few months of the season? Pretty much every game, usually in the first period, often after just a shift or two.

    Yes, at the same time, the Nurse/Russell pairing was off limits to change.

    I will be forever grateful to Hitch for whatever he did to Drai but, my goodness, I’m happy he’s not deploying the Oiler forwards next season.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: $125k for 19-20.
    $190k for 20-21.

    OriginalPouzar: A little surprised that its a 2-way deal for both years (not that it matters vis-a-vis the cap) – thought Joe may have earned himself a one-way deal.Will be curious the structure, he could have a guaranteed min that pays him more than his AHL salary even if he doesn’t get any NHL time (which is unlikely).

    Ha – I should negotiate NHL contracts – he’s got the min guaranteed of $175K in the first year and $235K in the 2nd year.

  143. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Remember how bad the blender was with the forwards the last few months of the season?Pretty much every game, usually in the first period, often after just a shift or two.

    Yes, at the same time, the Nurse/Russell pairing was off limits to change.

    I will be forever grateful to Hitch for whatever he did to Drai but, my goodness, I’m happy he’s not deploying the Oiler forwards next season.

    I can’t express how much consternation I felt about the Nurse/Russell pairing not being broken up for those last few weeks. As soon as the playoff hopes were extinguished try something else. Heck, throw Benning up with Nurse so that for the next season you can categorically say “Benning does not work on the 2nd pair”.

    We know that Russell and Sekera have worked together in the past (as a 2nd pairing no less), so even with a 70% healthy Sekera they probably would have worked out as a 3rd pairing.

    Next season is a new page though, roll on camp!

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: Definitely intentionally?

    You know McDavid doesn’t even think that right?

    There’s been three fights in the playoffs this year. All the teams who have been assessed a fighting major in this playoffs have been eliminated. Have you been watching? This is an all time terrible take
    I

    The Gio/McDavid thing was a hockey play.

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu: orically say “Benning does not work on the 2nd pair”.

    We know that Russell and Sekera have work

    Information on Nurse on the right side could also have been acquired as well as how Nurse would pair with Klefbom and/or Sekera.

    It was a major opportunity missed.

  146. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: The Gio/McDavid thing was a hockey play.

    Yeah. I thought it was a dirty and dangerous play, but there was no intent for injury as far as I can tell.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    From Gregor: Tippett doesn’t expressly talk about consistency with lines but one can gleam that to be a reasonable extrapolation:

    Gregor: Outside of 2017 the Oilers organization hasn’t been able to find consistency for over a decade. From a coaching perspective, how do you ensure this team finds more consistency in their play?

    Tippett: I’m a big believer that it’s every day, it’s not just we’re going to be consistent, you don’t talk about it. You do it. It’s your practice habits. It’s how you carry yourselves. From a coaching perspective I like consistency in our meetings, consistency in your words, you get into a rhythm of everything you’re doing. Players just feel like they’re in that rhythm, they feel like they’re prepared and they can go out and do what they do best, which is play well.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    Some more insight here on his use of analytic:

    Gregor: We had Shane Doan on the program earlier, and he played under you for eight seasons in Arizona and Phoenix and shared some really good insight on the players he felt would succeed under you. The one thing he said, regardless of stature of the player, that you demand is to ensure your players are in the battle all of the time. Shane admitted some guys who didn’t buy in early did eventually buy in, and a lot of them had some of their best years. How do you get a player to understand how to be in the battle every night?

    Tippett: Well you tell him exactly what is expected and be very honest with him and keep him accountable to whether he is doing it or not. Sometimes the accountability is talking to people. Other times I use it a lot of stats, a lot of the analytics stuff to explain to a player where his level is at and where it should be and where he can get to. So there are a lot of different ways to motivate players and every player is different. Some people you can motivate them through just talking. Other ones you’ve really got to lay it out. Some players you show them some video and they actually get exactly what you’re talking about. There’s a lot of different factors to get the message across, but ultimately you find what works best for each player, and then you try to mold all of the players together. If you do that, you have a good hockey team.

  149. defmn says:

    GMB3: Right. How’s that work as a deterrent? I wonder if Marc Savard was happy Lucic was there when Matt Cooke took his head off and ended his career? Lucic was the guy who passed him the puck if I remember correctly.

    It’s a bullshit narrative. Most guys out there who are trying to hurt other guys aren’t goiing to stop because they are worried about fighting.

    Well, obviously having a tough guy on the team doesn’t prevent each and every injury or instance of face washing or anything like that. I don’t know anybody that does think that. If you are a professional hockey player you are pretty much by definition in prime physical condition and expected to look after yourself in most situations.

    That said – and as I have said before – a winning team is a team that can win playing the game anyway the other team wants to play.

    They can win playing river hockey, they can win playing structured, button down hockey, they can win hit everything that moves hockey, they can win playing keep away hockey and they can win with playing opportunistic hockey.

    They can do that because when the team is balanced – as our kind host here keeps pointing out they can play and win any way the other team wants to play. A balanced team has skill, speed, size, systems, good goal tending and toughness.

    It has all of these things because if it doesn’t the coach on the other team sees the missing element as a weakness to be exploited.

    This is not an argument for fighting. Fighting is something that happens for a lot of reasons from frustration to dirty play. But it is an argument for toughness because if you don’t have it it isn’t just one guy on the other team that is taking liberties it is every guy on the other team taking liberties until somebody makes them stop either by fighting or taking liberties with the skill players on the other team.

    I’m not sure how this is even a question. If my team can’t skate the other team is going to try and win by out skating me. If they can’t score goals I am going to play river hockey because my guys can score better than them.

    And on it goes. You need toughness to make sure the other team doesn’t see a lack of toughness as the easy way to beat you.

    And, no, none of this is meant as an argument for a 4th line player making $6 mil to provide toughness.

    But there isn’t a GM in the league that doesn’t want a balanced lineup and toughness is part of that. GM’s disagree about proportions of the elements but I don’t think you will find a GM that thinks you can have all small fast players anymore than one who thinks you can have all big slow players.

    Balance. It’s a thing. 😉

  150. Reja says:

    GMB3: Right. How’s that work as a deterrent? I wonder if Marc Savard was happy Lucic was there when Matt Cooke took his head off and ended his career? Lucic was the guy who passed him the puck if I remember correctly.

    It’s a bullshit narrative. Most guys out there who are trying to hurt other guys aren’t goiing to stop because they are worried about fighting.

    Always the Matt Cooke response there is certain percentage of the population I’ll say 10% that don’t give a flying F you could hold a gun to their head and they would laugh at you that’s Matt Cooke.. When Lucic or similar tell the general population to settle the F down or else they listen. You think Tkchuck or similar want a broken face over a regular season game in December.

  151. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar: The Gio/McDavid thing was a hockey play.

    It definitely was not a hockey play.

    At least not one I would want in the game. Diving into an opponent’s legs because they beat you and you have to stretch for the puck is a bit absent-minded, on the verge of criminal.

  152. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Reja,

    Tkachuk consistently runs the Oilers show so I am not sure what your point is. Lucic does nothing to deter agitators.

  153. New Improved Darkness says:

    Who here recalls the old Clue formula: Colonel Mustard killed Dapper Dan in the lavatory with the candelabra?

    Millennial Clue: Facebook killed Democracy on the Huawei with the Like Button.

    ———

    Long after the app is closed, a certain grief-stricken Ms Scarlett woe-handsome wanders aimlessly amid the giant tile mansion, muttering “the OBC is dead; long live the OBC”.

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

    The real change here—if any—is not the mustard on top, but the lead-cinch pipeline underneath.

    ———

    Speaking of Mrs White:

    Betty Marion White (born 17 January 1922) is an American actress and comedian, with the longest television career of any female entertainer, spanning 80 years.

    My last encounter with Mrs White was a few backs back when I watched the Japanese animated film Ponyo for the first time, in which the three elderly ladies were voiced by Lily Tomlin, Betty White, and Cloris Leachman.

    ———

    Betty was 27 years old when the game of Clue was first introduced in 1949 (Toy Story BCE) and now she’s slated as a voice actress in Toy Story 4. You just can’t keep a good woman down.

    ———

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    Her program delivered advice to housewives on cooking and decorating. She chose unusual and sometimes ludicrous themes for some episodes, such as “What’s all this fuss about famine?” and “A salute to fruit”.

    Nivens was a perfectionist; she once confessed she would rather flush her Veal Prince Orloff down a toilet than serve it reheated.

    She was also full of helpful hints for all occasions and always ready to make lemons into lemonade; she once suggested buying colorful, happy goldfish as companions for the infirm and then, when the goldfish died, using them as fertilizer for houseplants.

    Ah, plummy.

    Plus, for the outdoor plants, a little bit of Dapper Dan goes a long ways.

  154. Professor Q says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Reja,

    Tkachuk consistently runs the Oilers show so I am not sure what your point is. Lucic does nothing to deter agitators.

    I think that’s mostly because he isn’t a deterrent, but a rat-agitator who starts stuff but then turtles, and has the refs in his back pocket. Edmonton responding doesn’t really help unfortunately, and if they don’t respond then it ramps up. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

    I still have no idea how he got away with multiple slewfeet and head hits (and some on the same player, during the same play!).

  155. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: The Gio/McDavid thing was a hockey play.

    I said it when it happened and I’ll say it again Gio won the Norris right there and then McDavid has turned Gio inside and out on several occasion’s he new was beat so he took out his legs going for the so called puck it’s a hockey play so is responding for your Captain leader and for some a meal ticket. I was so disappointed in Kassian he needed to respond and nothing but crickets. I hope Tippett gives them the wink wink to get aggressive when it’s required. Why have Jar Jar Kassian Lucic and Nurse as well if your not going to use or play to a big strength in their games.

  156. Reja says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Reja,

    Tkachuk consistently runs the Oilers show so I am not sure what your point is. Lucic does nothing to deter agitators.

    Tkachuk always been pretty quiet against the Oilers after the slew foot on Davidson. If you think pain isn’t a deterrent you most be the percentage that doesn’t feel it.

  157. JimmyV1965 says:

    I think the Lucic for Eriksson deal is fair straight across. There should be zero sweetener. Both players suck. Each team hopes a change of scenery elevates the game of the guy they trade for. That will likely not be the case for either player. There’s also a decent chance the league will approve some compliance buyouts in the next CBA so we’re basically sweetening the deal because we might possibly save a year on the contract.

    Although both players are awful, I give a slight edge to Lucic. At least he can possibly be a viable player on the fourth line. If Eriksson isn’t scoring, he isn’t doing anything. He is less likely to be capable of playing on the fourth line.

    One caveat. Maybe we add a conditional third round pick if there are no compliance buyouts.

  158. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I would think that most coaches with NHL coaching experience that are available to be hired had little success in the last few years with their prior teams – or else they wouldn’t be available, no?

    The definition of insanity…

  159. Reja says:

    Professor Q: It definitely was not a hockey play.

    At least not one I would want in the game. Diving into an opponent’s legs because they beat you and you have to stretch for the puck is a bit absent-minded, on the verge of criminal.

    Gio a old Pro he’s sneaky dirty he’s hurt a few players with questionable hits but get’s away with it. McDavid’s two game suspension with the shit he puts up with was a joke. I hope Holland and Tippett voice their opinions more and shut up Hrudey and Button with the childish Rhetoric they spew because the Oilers always made them look bad back in the day.

  160. Reja says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I think the Lucic for Eriksson deal is fair straight across. There should be zero sweetener. Both players suck. Each team hopes a change of scenery elevates the game of the guy they trade for. That will likely not be the case for either player. There’s also a decent chance the league will approve some compliance buyouts in the next CBA so we’re basically sweetening the deal because we might possibly save a year on the contract.

    Although both players are awful, I give a slight edge to Lucic. At least he can possibly be a viable player on the fourth line.If Eriksson isn’t scoring, he isn’t doing anything. He is less likely to be capable of playing on the fourth line.

    One caveat. Maybe we add a conditional third round pick if there are no compliance buyouts.

    The canucks need somebody they got manhandled on many occasions last year I would not give them Jar Jar that’s for sure.

  161. godot10 says:

    hunter1909:
    @Woodguy, After you exposed my tissue of lies re having anything tangible to report with DeathMarch™… here is the Official Top Ten All Star DeathMarch™ Players:

    Hunter1909’s DeathMarch™ Official Top Ten All Star List between 2014-19:

    1 Common Fan 14 – 1st 2014-15
    – 1st 2016-17

    2 HT Joe – 1st 2018-19
    – 2nd 2015-16
    – 7th 2017-18

    3 Yeti – 1st 2017-18
    – 5th 2014-15

    4 Romulus Apotheosis – 2nd 2017-18
    – 7th 2018-19

    5 Jake 70 – 2nd 2017-18
    – 9th 2017-18

    6 Younger Oil – 3rd 2014-15
    – 5th 2017-18

    7 TCHO – 5th 2017-18
    – 9th 2015-16

    8 FLEA – 7th 2018-9
    – 8th 2017-18

    9 Stephen Sheps – 7th 2014-15
    – 10th 2018-19

    10 Godot 10 – 10th 2014-15
    – 10th 2018-19

    Hunter1909’s DeathMarch™ Congratulates all of the Top Ten Official All Stars.

    See you next Season!

    I was an idiot for being so “optimistic” about McLellan. I could have been a contender. My mediocre expectations for his teams was far too high.

  162. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: The Gio/McDavid thing was a hockey play.

    #accidentallyonpurpose

  163. Glovjuice says:

    Darth Tu: Great take on this.I have to admit I liked what I heard, I’m in the cautiously optimistic camp for this season.If the analytics plan is followed and they are using them (analytics) as a large part of the decision making process this should really help moving forward.

    Rome can’t be built in a day, but this is a great chance to start laying stones.

    Well, it can be in 13 years, though.

  164. hunter1909 says:

    godot10: I was an idiot for being so “optimistic” about McLellan.I could have been a contender.My mediocre expectations for his teams was far too high.

    Actually the symmetry between those 4 10’s (10 place, Godot10, 10th place finish, 10th place finish) makes for space age figuring.

    PS: Please don’t be glum you’re a freaking ALL Star there are seasons with nearly 500 Players…also your name came up with others who should gain in the NEXT Hunter1909 DeathMarch™ “Standings Alignment” when it expands to a Top 20.

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I think the Lucic for Eriksson deal is fair straight across. There should be zero sweetener. Both players suck. Each team hopes a change of scenery elevates the game of the guy they trade for. That will likely not be the case for either player. There’s also a decent chance the league will approve some compliance buyouts in the next CBA so we’re basically sweetening the deal because we might possibly save a year on the contract.

    Although both players are awful, I give a slight edge to Lucic. At least he can possibly be a viable player on the fourth line.If Eriksson isn’t scoring, he isn’t doing anything. He is less likely to be capable of playing on the fourth line.

    One caveat. Maybe we add a conditional third round pick if there are no compliance buyouts.

    Eriksson has been killing penalties so he does do something if not scoring.

    What exactly does Lucic do if not scoring? What does he do on the fourth line that Eriksson could or would not do? The fourth line has to be a line that is tenacious and aggressive on the forecheck in order to keep momentum and allow the coach to play it – that is not that is a part of Lucic’s game.

    I also think there is a much better chance of Eriksson actually bouncing back a bit on the Oilers with some production that there is with Lucic. Eriksson at least still has some puck skills.

  166. Scungilli Slushy says:

    defmn: Guys that are known to be tough don’t fight very often because usually all they need to do is growl or stare.

    If the players still think he’s the second toughest guy that’s the deterrent, along with being caveman big, until he starts losing fights. His rep is well established.

  167. Scungilli Slushy says:

    defmn: Well, obviously having a tough guy on the team doesn’t prevent each and every injury or instance of face washing or anything like that. I don’t know anybody that does think that. If you are a professional hockey player you are pretty much by definition in prime physical condition and expected to look after yourself in most situations.

    That said – and as I have said before – a winning team is a team that can win playing the game anyway the other team wants to play.

    They can win playing river hockey, they can win playing structured, button down hockey, they can win hit everything that moves hockey, they can win playing keep away hockey and they can win with playing opportunistic hockey.

    They can do that because when the team is balanced – as our kind host here keeps pointing out they can play and win any way the other team wants to play.A balanced team has skill, speed, size, systems, good goal tending and toughness.

    It has all of these things because if it doesn’t the coach on the other team sees the missing element as a weakness to be exploited.

    This is not an argument for fighting. Fighting is something that happens for a lot of reasons from frustration to dirty play. But it is an argument for toughness because if you don’t have it it isn’t just one guy on the other team that is taking liberties it is every guy on the other team taking liberties until somebody makes them stop either by fighting or taking liberties with the skill players on the other team.

    I’m not sure how this is even a question. If my team can’t skate the other team is going to try and win by out skating me. If they can’t score goals I am going to play river hockey because my guys can score better than them.

    And on it goes. You need toughness to make sure the other team doesn’t see a lack of toughness as the easy way to beat you.

    And, no, none of this is meant as an argument for a 4th line player making $6 mil to provide toughness.

    But there isn’t a GM in the league that doesn’t want a balanced lineup and toughness is part of that. GM’s disagree about proportions of the elements but I don’t think you will find a GM that thinks you can have all small fast players anymore than one who thinks you can have all big slow players.

    Balance. It’s a thing.

    Very well put. Oiler fans saw enough of running the team as a deterrent and there have been coaches and players say that in the past if you went after the Oilers they’d quit on the game.

    I’ve also read about GMs having their top players calling them out for not protecting them, not regarding the Oilers in that case.

    It doesn’t stop psychos, not that there are many left, or injuries, it is about being able to stand up to goonery. By people that don’t mind doing it.

  168. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: #accidentallyonpurpose

    Sometimes accidentally three times a season. Not kneeing people or wiping them out be hard.

  169. 442 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I always wonder why a team wouldn’t do this deal with each retaining 50%. Then when the change of scenery dosent work out you could trade Lucic or Erickson again at a 3m cap hit or retain again and have lots of flexibility.

  170. Bag of Pucks says:

    If there was a trophy for the most after the whistle douchebaggery, the Bruins would be a lock.

  171. Reja says:

    Scungilli Slushy: If the players still think he’s the second toughest guy that’s the deterrent, along with being caveman big, until he starts losing fights. His rep is well established.

    Some People think it’s all about scrapping Lucic throws a lot of hits and some of them hurt and if someone riles him up he will hurt you. Uncle Pete’s gone Lucic doesn’t want to be here anymore has his agent and himself been selling his toughness and leadership to other teams especially Vancouver I think so. If Lucic does get traded I will take the over at 13 with anybody on this site I really think he surprisingly has a good year with a fresh start. First the trade then let the betting windows open.

  172. Bag of Pucks says:

    Today’s harebrained trade idea.

    Cory Schneider for Lucic.

    Each at $6mil per. ML 1 year longer.

    Devils get roster player and functional toughness for G they’re phasing out.

    Oilers get G reclamation project who can compete with MK to reestablish himself as starter.

  173. Bag of Pucks says:

    BOS Fs vs STL D is just an epic matchup.

    Hockey’s version of Ali Frazier.

  174. defmn says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Today’s harebrained trade idea.

    Cory Schneider for Lucic.

    Each at $6mil per. ML 1 year longer.

    Devils get roster player and functional toughness for G they’re phasing out.

    Oilers get G reclamation project who can compete with MK to reestablish himself as starter.

    That’s $10.5 at the goalie position and no assurance that it will work.

  175. Nit64 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Today’s harebrained trade idea.

    Is there a daily limit?

  176. godot10 says:

    442:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I always wonder why a team wouldn’t do this deal with each retaining 50%. Then when the change of scenery dosent work out you could trade Lucic or Ericksonagain at a 3m cap hit or retain again and have lots of flexibility.

    Yep…that is the way to do the Lucic for Ericksson trade. Each team retains 50%.

  177. Bag of Pucks says:

    defmn: That’s $10.5 at the goalie position and no assurance that it will work.

    Who has the better chance to deliver value? Lucic or Schneider?

  178. Bag of Pucks says:

    Nit64: Is there a daily limit?

    Never!

  179. defmn says:

    Bag of Pucks: Who has the better chance to deliver value? Lucic or Schneider?

    I don’t know the answer to that question. My concern is that if you sink 10.5 into the position that has the greatest impact on wins and losses and neither player can get the job done then it won’t matter what the other 18 guys on the ice are doing to win games.

    Lucic may or may not help you win games much anymore but you can park him at the end of the bench or even in the press box and he won’t hurt you other than the cap hit.

    Maybe I am getting old and conservative but Koskinen has not convinced me that he can give this team a chance to win 60 nights out of 82 or even 50 for that matter so I guess my preference would be to shoot for more of a sure thing for the 1B guy.

    To me that is the most important job for Holland this summer.

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    442: I still think the double retention is the way to go. The pie can be split up to 50% twice.

    Oilers trade Lucic to Team B with $3M retention and give a small sweetener to do so (exchange of 4th for 6th or something like that).

    Team B trades Lucic to Team C with $1.5M retained – Team C provides an middling asset as Lucic at $1.5M has some nominal value.

    Team B gets a cap hit of $1.5M and two small assets.

    Team C gets Lucic for $1.5M for a small asset.

    Oilers give up a small asset to divest of $3M for four years.

    Split the pie at $2M, $2M, $2M is another option.

    I still think the double retention is the way to go. The pie can be split up to 50% twice.

    Oilers trade Lucic to Team B with $3M retention and give a small sweetener to do so (exchange of 4th for 6th or something like that).

    Team B trades Lucic to Team C with $1.5M retained – Team C provides an middling asset as Lucic at $1.5M has some nominal value.

    Team B gets a cap hit of $1.5M and two small assets.

    Team C gets Lucic for $1.5M for a small asset.

    Oilers give up a small asset to divest of $3M for four years.

    Split the pie at $2M, $2M, $2M is another option.

  181. Nit64 says:

    defmn: That’s $10.5 at the goalie position and no assurance that it will work.

    When you shuffle negative contract value from position to position does that REALLY mean you changed where you are overinvested? When I review current allocation of assets should I use purchase price or current value?

    If ML is worth 3M in the market then his contract represents 3M tied up at forward and a 3M loss of cap space. If you trade for a goalie with same salary and current value that represents 3M tied up at goal and a 3M loss of cap space. To meaningfully compare teams by position look at current values by position. If total cap used exceeds total assets that’s a general historical loss, but it should not be pinned to a position. The hypothetical trade illustrates that negative cap value is about the team not the position.

    Bag of Pucks: Who has the better chance to deliver value? Lucic or Schneider?

    What he said.

    Update: Another question. You don’t dress a lot of Goalies. Does Schneider cover enough of the risk we currently have at Goal? Subpar individual forwards are less of an overall risk to the team.

  182. Reja says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    BOS Fs vs STL D is just an epic matchup.

    Hockey’s version of Ali Frazier.

    Right now both coach’s would instantly take Lucic it’s a hard hitter maybe Lucic could go back home stranger things have happened. I definitely think with the Caps winning and this final has to help the Lucic market. Let’s see how crafty Holland really is.

  183. defmn says:

    Nit64: When you shuffle negative contract value from position to position does that REALLY mean you changed where you are overinvested? When I review current allocation of assets should I use purchase price or current value?

    If ML is worth 3M in the market then his contract represents 3M tied up at forward and a 3M loss of cap space. If you trade for a goalie with same salary and current value that represents 3M tied up at goal and a 3M loss of cap space. To meaningfully compare teams by position look at current values by position.If total cap used exceeds total assets that’s a general historical loss, but it should not be pinned to a position. The hypothetical trade illustrates that negative cap value is about the team not the position.

    What he said.

    That would make more sense to me if each position had similar value in determining the outcome of games. I don’t believe that to be the case when you are comparing a 4th line winger to what might be our starting goalie if Koskinen cannot become more consistent.

  184. Munny says:

    Eriksson being three years older than Lucic gives me a bad case of trepidation.

  185. Munny says:

    New Improved Darkness,

    Please write a novel one day so that I can buy it. You’re like Tom Robbins had Isaac Asimov’s sex child.

  186. Reja says:

    10 min left sure feels like a mucker is gonna score for the Blues

  187. Munny says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Is Schneider healthy? I actually do not know.

  188. Munny says:

    defmn,

    Beautiful and echoes my thoughts. I would add that we can never know the effect of deterrence or toughness without access to a parallel universe. There are always examples of when deterrence didn’t work, but we can never have examples of when it did work, without access to that parallel world.

  189. Ice Sage says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Do I trust it? The meter was at “0” because Katz mostly. With Holland and Tippett it might be at “1.5”.Moving the needle any higher will have to be earned!!

    That’s a 150% improvement! Yeah, baby, yeah.

    I miss the Oilers in the SCF.

  190. Munny says:

    The heavy narrative has been hard at work this playoff season.

    The Blues deserved a win in regulation tonight IMO. Now they’re at the casino and the Hockey Gords are rolling weighted dice.

  191. Bag of Pucks says:

    Munny:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Is Schneider healthy?I actually do not know.

    Came back from hip cartilage surgery lasy year.

  192. Munny says:

    Nice! Blues all over the Brus and get rewarded

  193. Bag of Pucks says:

    defmn,

    Whoever they sign for 1B, Mike Smith, Brian Elliot, Keith Kinkaid, is going to be a question mark. No sure things with goalies/voodoo.

    The positive with Schneider is post surgery he may rebound, he has been a starter before, and you move out that Lucic contract that looks unsalvageable.

  194. YKOil says:

    Posted this in a prior thread:

    For anyone interested:

    Lucic

    Cap: … $6.00m / 6.00m / 6.00m / 6.00m = $24.00m
    Cash: . $6.00m / 4.00m / 5.00m / 4.00m = $19.00m … Yr 1 s-b $3.00m = $16.00m
    Clauses: NMC / NMC / NTC 8 / NTC 10
    B-O: … $3.625m / 5.625m / 4.125m / 5.625m / 0.625m / 0.625m / 0.625m / 0.625m

    Eriksson

    Cap: … $6.00m / 6.00m / 6.00m = $18.00m
    Cash: . $5.00m / 4.00m / 4.00m = $13.00m … Yr 1 s-b $4.00m = $9.00m
    Clauses: NTC / NTC 15 / NTC 15
    B-O: … $5.556m / 5.556m / 3.556m / 0.556m / 0.556m / 0.556m

    On review the Eriksson contract is a huge upgrade really. The only negative is the Yr. 1 buy-out provides less relief but a buy-out is stupid regardless so it isn’t much of a negative.

    Three huge positives re: Eriksson vs. Lucic contracts:

    1. One fewer year in the contract (so two fewer years re: impact of a buy-out)
    2. No NMC in Eriksson contract and the NTC restrictions are much more team friendly
    3. The signing bonus structure makes the Eriksson contract VERY trade friendly

    We know the Lucic contract becomes more trade-friendly after the July 1 signing bonus: $24m in Cap for only $16m in Cash

    Well, the Eriksson contract delivers $18m in Cap for only $9m in Cash after the signing bonus is paid; VERY trade friendly. Stunningly so. I would consider making the trade for this feature alone.

    The difference between two contracts is stunning when you look at the details. If the trade is available, in absence of a better deal, the Oilers should sprint to the fax machine.

    So I disagree with the idea this is just a swap+. Vancouver will want something and it won’t be something insubstantial. I did use the word ‘stunning’ too much though.

  195. Bag of Pucks says:

    Gutty win for the Blues.

    Physical game. They slowed the Bruins down through the neutral zone and punished them on the wall.

    We’ve got a series.

  196. Reja says:

    St. Louis Blues snap a 13 game losing streak in Stanley cup final games and pot their first win ever. You would have to be a hardcore fan to cheer for them from day one.

  197. YKOil says:

    Big win for the Blues.

  198. GMB3 says:

    defmn,

    Fair enough man. Well thought out post and I don’t disagree. My sentiment was more directed to the people who think we should keep Lucic because we need him for the playoffs, even though we have plenty of functional toughness on the roster already

  199. YKOil says:

    Heh, keep Pouliot one more year and voila! An extra $1.33m of Cap, just like that.

    Going to take a while to get over how bad Chia was. Always something there to remind me.

    Always. Something there to remind me.

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